I posted the following information and opinions last night in the following post:

Hey kids, I’m back from lost wages (Las Vegas). After reading replies to my posts, I've decided to respond to the people who unreasonably slammed me in the good name of Archie. Mere disagreement with my opinion doesn't suffice as entry into this registry, just blatant, derogatory, defamatory responses to me because you want to appear as one of Archie's girls.

The "Take Archie out of your mouth" list is as follows:

001E
Wannabe
sjp777
TriAD
Tryxalon
gtcash
voyagerspe

If you don't like this, or don't like / hate me, so what? You will undoubtedly further this dissention by responding in a like manor, which illustrates your mutual culpability, but will adamantly deny you are participatory. If you find this defamatory, realize I'm not identifying you by given name, just by moniker, so you can maintain anonymity by non self-disclosure.

Archie wrote;

“This, like anything else that is posted to the Internet, becomes a permanent record on some server somewhere. E, & E et al, as you try to make jerks out of yourselves, remember that 5 years from now, When you've grown up, your actions today will still be available for others to read.”

Oh, I see what he means.

“BTW, what are you smoking tonight?”
Archie

Now one of the people in that post emailed me not to necessarily apologize, but to agree in part with my position. I don't know what his moniker is so I cannot remove him from the above list. The purpose of this repost is to illustrate two things; first, censorship is present even in a supposedly casual forum such as this. Second, politics are present and even prevalent in a forum such as this. And it feels like economic politics more than conventional politics where people persuade others through friendship for non-pecuniary gain. I think my contention is supported by this example; when one of the girls in the forum was being tossed around, I believe Fierolisa or ?, the topic was closed but not removed. The post above was removed within minutes or hours of original posting. I don't know the relationship between Cliff and Archie, but I now know that economic politics play a part in this club.

Now Cliff, you can remove this post, you can ban me from the club, you can even report me to Yahoo or whom ever you want. But you will never successfully sensor me, so let this post stand and go away. All you're doing by removing my posts is substantiating my contentions. I'm not trying to harm your commercial enterprise, just merely defend my position. I could email everyone in the club with this information from an anonymous computer, so don't think you can shut me up. Just answer this; why did you remove my post? And when you answer that, distinguish why you just closed the other post that defamed or objectified the female member, and why you didn't remove it like you did my post referring to Archie and his supporters. Please, make some cents out of your explanation, as in dollars and cents. "Gee I don't know," or "I screwed up," or "I guess I should have" don't work Cliff, you're not stupid, in fact I believe you're pretty sharp. Admit this club is based on commerce and not casual Fiero conversation and I'll believe you, if not convince me otherwise.

Kind of a good question, why would you let member of the forum bash Lisa, but not Archie? And for the record. I have no ties to either person, but I did read both threads.

Wouldn't an email to Cliff have been more appropriate? Why mislabel your thread if you really want an answer?

Cliff has let a LOT of stuff go by on here in the past, including flames against Archie. I find it hard to believe he has an axe to grind.

:Mad: :Mad: :Mad:

quote Originally posted by DRH: Wouldn't an email to Cliff have been more appropriate? Why mislabel your thread if you really want an answer? Cliff has let a LOT of stuff go by on here in the past, including flames against Archie. I find it hard to believe he has an axe to grind.

Email would have been more appropriate to his/their agenda? Isn't it obvious why I mislabeled my post? Come on, what was the major premise of this post, not the original post, this one? It was the censorship of my first post. If I posted with the original topic statement, it would have been spotted and removed. I'm sure some good little trooper will run (email) to Cliff and tell him long before we get to 10 replies. Cliff will probably then remove it, hence proving my contention. If he has character, he'll let this post stand and go away.

Are you for real? No one has contended Cliff has "an axe to grind." I can't believe you missed the boat by that much. I merely stated that he has a commercial venture here, not a casual Fiero forum. This is evidenced by the fact that Cliff didn't remove the Fierolisa post, just closed it after something like 40 replies, some defamatory.

So you didn't really want answers to your questions?

OK, axe to grind was bad wording. What do you mean by commercial venture? His digital dashes? If he's living off the profit on those based on anything I've seen about them on here, he's starving to death... Where do you see him making money on here?

In 2 years of being on here I've only seen a VERY few post deleted These were all by some newly registered idiots openly flaming ALL Fieros. I have also seen many derogatory comments about Archie (and others) NOT deleted. I honestly think you were just at the wrong place the wrong time on this one.

Eds: While I do agree with some of your points in other posts, and feel that you usually do have good arguments, I do have to say that your "Get archie out of your mouth" list is WILDLY innappropriate. If I was Cliff, I would have banned your ass, credibility or not, then let you talk me into letting you back. Posting this kind of garbage destroys your credibility. Stop it.
You have no factual evidence as to any arrangement with Archie. Besides, what does it matter? It's CLIFF'S FORUM, not yours. Grow up, delete that post, and try to maintain some credibility.

[This message has been edited by Mach10 (edited 07-03-2001).]

quote Originally posted by EdsB52: The post above was removed within minutes or hours of original posting. I don't know the relationship between Cliff and Archie, but I now know that economic politics play a part in this club. Now Cliff, you can remove this post, you can ban me from the club, you can even report me to Yahoo or whom ever you want. But you will never successfully sensor me, so let this post stand and go away. All you're doing by removing my posts is substantiating my contentions. I'm not trying to harm your commercial enterprise, just merely defend my position. I could email everyone in the club with this information from an anonymous computer, so don't think you can shut me up.

You have got to be ******* kidding me. Don't go that way. Don't even think of going that way. I'll tell you why I deleted that post. Because it's my ******* forum on my ******* server and I can do whatever I damn well feel like doing. Don't like it? Well boo-*******-hoo. I will not give you any explanation. If you can't grasp the simpel notion of off-topic posting, than you have no business here anyway.

And don't you ever tell me what I should or shouldn't do on my own ******* forum again.