My 3800SC II Official Build Thread
Topic started by: JimmyS, Date: 09-10-2006 12:50 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archive-000002/HTML/20070315-1-061575.html


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #1, 09-10-2006 12:50 PM
      Here is my story... My 86GT (see signature) had a ton of miles on it and and a lot of problems. I had been saving for a couple years to do a conversion and I found a guy (JR www.kitcarman.com PFF name kitcarman) in the vendors list here on PFF. Seeing that he was fairly close to me ( 212 miles) I contacted him about doing a swap for me. I had initially planned to do the 3.4 swap he offers. I dropped my car off to him on 6/17/06 and he told me that it would be 2 - 3 weeks to get it done. After gathering some info off of here I came to the conclusion that I would not get the 220HP he claimed I would get from that motor. So I contacted him and we changed to the 3800SC II motor instead. He told me it would take a couple extra weeks to do because a 3800 intails more than the 3.4 does.

Lets just cut to the chase...He has given me numerouse delivery dates so far and none of them have been met. The most recent delivery date he has given me is 9/23/06. I went up there yesterday 9/9/06 to take some pics and to check on the progress of my swap. To my dissmay my car still sits outside untouched!

The only thing I was able to take pics of is the donor motor. 3800SC II from a 99 Grand Prix GTP with a little over 16,000 miles on it (3 pics below). Everything you see that is Red is going to be changed to Metalic Green like the valve covers. I plan to paint the car Bermuda Green Metalic if I ever get it back. The supercharger is off and needs to be painted Green yet. I did not take pics of the Supercharger.

I will update this thread as progress gets done but at this rate, it may not be that often!







FIEROFLYER MSG #2, 09-10-2006 02:17 PM
      The problem might be that he has not done a 3800SC swap before and is either still trying to get the needed info and is not sure enough of what he's doing to start the swap. Do not know him but you said it was originally going to get the 3.4 which he knows to do. I would talk it over with him to see what the problem is and if its a case of he can not do it then get the car out of their and to some one else that can do the job. It may just be that he is too busy doing what he is use to doing and doesn't have the time to do some thing like this, in either case if he is not working on your car it is safer in your hands then just sitting out side a shop. Dan



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #3, 09-10-2006 02:51 PM
      Oh he has done numerous swaps using the 3800SC II. He has given me just about every excuse imaginable as to why he hasn't done mine yet. The main excuse is that he is working on a N* swap that has been giving him troubles. He has told me 2 times now that he was going to put the N* aside and get mine finished as my car is my only vehicle and I have been using a loaner vehicle from work. Work originally agreed to let me use a work truck for the 4 - 6 weeks but we are way past that time period now and work isn't happy. He told me 4 weeks ago that he was going to put the N* aside so I could have my car back by the end of August. He did "NOT" put it aside! He again told me he was going to put it aside this past Tuesday to do my car. Once again...he did "NOT" put it aside. Saturday he told me he was close to having the N* finished and all he needed to do was the hoses and wiring.

JR if you read this...GET TO IT! You wore my patience thin after 2 months and now approaching 3 months my patience is gone! Enough with your excuses!


FIEROFLYER MSG #4, 09-10-2006 05:33 PM
      Hopefully you have not paid him yet, I would say you have been more than patient enough time to get your stuff out of there and get some one else to do the job. Some places need to learn not to take on jobs they do not have time to finnish by the date they say it will be done or be honest upfront and not give a finish date if they are not going to keep it. Dan

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #5, 09-10-2006 08:04 PM
      He has been paid $4,500.00 of the agreed upon $8,500.00

$7,800.00 of the $8,500.00 is for the motor conversion. The other $700.00 is to do a front brake conversion to Grand Am brakes, replace heater core (I supplied), install all new poly on the front and rear (I supplied) , install new ball joints and tie rod ends (I supplied), install new rear KYB struts and associated parts (I supplied), intall new battery tray (I supplied) and fix the AC.


FIEROFLYER MSG #6, 09-10-2006 08:31 PM
      Man I have got to start charging more for engine swaps I only charge $2,000 CDN for all my labour and do any extras wanted while I am at it for no extra labour costs.
I would at this point start hounding him on a regular basis to either get it done or give you back all of your money. If he does not then start getting his customers and possible future customers attention as to how he is screwing with you. Dan



revin MSG #7, 09-10-2006 09:26 PM
      Wow Way to start a build thread

 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:
He has been paid $4,500.00 of the agreed upon $8,500.00
$7,800.00 of the $8,500.00 is for the motor conversion. The other $700.00 is to do a front brake conversion to Grand Am brakes, replace heater core (I supplied), install all new poly on the front and rear (I supplied) , install new ball joints and tie rod ends (I supplied), install new rear KYB struts and associated parts (I supplied), intall new battery tray (I supplied) and fix the AC.


Wow! looks like alot of work for a labor charge $700 I think someone has made some bad figures.....Oh and for that price of $8500, I could have bought a car for you and did the swap on it!

Is there no way for you to do it yourself? really not hard. mostly nuts and bolts ...oh and the wiring monster...
But then you could get a complete harness made up for you for $600 <<?



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #8, 09-10-2006 10:07 PM
      I know I could have bought another car with the swap done allready but it's not about the money. I have my blood, sweat, tears and $9,000.00 into this car (not counting the swap). It is no longer just a car to me. It is more part of me.

I can't do the swap myself cause I live in a apartment complex that strictly forbids working on cars in the complex.

I don't think that expecting JR to get off his duff and do what I am paying him to do without all the excuses is asking all that much. You would think that in 11 weeks something would have been accomplished by now. My car still sits in the same spot as when I dropped it off to him. Only difference is there is now over a foot of grass that has grown up around it.


revin MSG #9, 09-11-2006 01:05 PM
      He didn't even weedeat!!! dam it!

Sorry dude, hang in there!


OHNIKO (nikolaki69@hotmail.com) MSG #10, 09-11-2006 04:01 PM
      no....Dan, $2k is good!

Chicken McNizzle (boscolingus@yahoo.com) MSG #11, 09-11-2006 05:31 PM
      www.westcoastfiero.com



Formula88 MSG #12, 09-11-2006 05:58 PM
      Go over and start taking pictures for evidence in the lawsuit.
Unless something surprising happens, that's where this will end up.


darkhorizon MSG #13, 09-11-2006 10:42 PM
      I did my swap for $1342, and spent about 50 hours tops in the garage working on it.

8500-1342= 7158/50 = $143 an hour.


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #14, 09-12-2006 07:10 AM
      It takes the average swapper (if he's only doing it himself) 3 months to complete a swap including test driving it and getting any bugs out. So that means he is 2 1/2 months behind, Also $9k is a bit high,


I paid about $4300 bucks on my swap and that includes me buying a few toys like a scan guage, Pulley, TB spacer, Ac delete kit ect So add 2k to my figure (if I paid someone to do it) and im still not past $7000 bucks.


now I know in florida low mile 3800 sc 2 engine are expensive, My engine came with 20k miles on it and that alone cost me 1000bucks and I did not get any wire harness or any acessories, The transmission cost me $600 bucks and had 70k miles on it, So yes florida is expensive when it comes to getting one of these bad boys, Im probally guessing the engine and transmission cost him $3000 bucks alone.

Anyway, goodluck with your swap, And when you get her back show us some pics, The wait will be worth it when you drive it.


FIEROFLYER MSG #15, 09-12-2006 07:33 AM
      On average it takes me three weeks from start to finish on engine swaps, that also includes doing any desired extras and repairing rusted metal. I usually put about 100 km on each car before giving back and my warranty covers any thing I touch on the car. So if I can do a swap by myself in that amount of time a shop should be even faster if they have done one before and know what they are doing. Dan



darkhorizon MSG #16, 09-12-2006 10:00 AM
      If I was to do it again I would say 3 weeks is more than enough time for me to do one. Honestly mine really only took 5 weeks of actually working on stuff, and I really didnt work that fast.

Mike Murphy (mike@hmsbins.com) MSG #17, 09-12-2006 11:21 AM
      Is this guy in Ft. Lauderdale? What is his name? Sounds like a guy that I did business with about 5 years ago who gave me and others here every excuse in the book. I would be interested to know.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #18, 09-12-2006 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mike Murphy:

Is this guy in Ft. Lauderdale? What is his name? Sounds like a guy that I did business with about 5 years ago who gave me and others here every excuse in the book. I would be interested to know.


His name is JR and he is in Wildwood, FL. you can look at his website here www.kitcarman.com


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #19, 09-15-2006 08:06 PM
      Here is the latest pic of the motor supplied to me by JR, VIA email, today 9/15/06 at 6:43PM



*EDIT to add...I see progress! "Not a lot of progress" but progress. Been a week since I was up there and this is all the progress in that weeks time. Told you it might not be that often for updates at this rate. Hopefully he will come through with his delivery date of 9/23/06 but I don't see it happening.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 09-15-2006).]

86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #20, 09-16-2006 06:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

Here is the latest pic of the motor supplied to me by JR, VIA email, today 9/15/06 at 6:43PM



*EDIT to add...I see progress! "Not a lot of progress" but progress. Been a week since I was up there and this is all the progress in that weeks time. Told you it might not be that often for updates at this rate. Hopefully he will come through with his delivery date of 9/23/06 but I don't see it happening.

Looks like he only attached the supercharger to the engine, That only takes 10 mins at the most, By now he should of had that sucker attached to the transmission, Mounted on the subframe already.




JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #21, 09-16-2006 07:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:
Looks like he only attached the supercharger to the engine, That only takes 10 mins at the most, By now he should of had that sucker attached to the transmission, Mounted on the subframe already.


On 9/17/06 it will have been 3 months since i dropped off the car. IT SHOULD BE FINISHED AND I SHOULD HAVE IT BACK BY NOW!

He also got the red changed to green.


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #22, 09-16-2006 09:18 AM
      I do not know of Jr, nor have I heard anything about the quality of his work... however if he can put together a good quality install between now and the 23rd, I'd be suprised.



Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #23, 09-17-2006 10:45 AM
      Doesn't appear that he bothered to change the paint color on the water pump from red to green either... doh! And the supercharger wasn't bolted down, doesn't appear to have a gasket under it.

I for one don't care what he's charging you, that's between the two of you. The issue is that he isn't getting the work done in anything resembling a timely manner. Had you checked out any of his previous installs? Talked to the owners of those installs?


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 09-17-2006 10:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

Doesn't appear that he bothered to change the paint color on the water pump from red to green either... doh! And the supercharger wasn't bolted down, doesn't appear to have a gasket under it.

I for one don't care what he's charging you, that's between the two of you. The issue is that he isn't getting the work done in anything resembling a timely manner. Had you checked out any of his previous installs? Talked to the owners of those installs?


The only input I had as to his work was from Frank Martin. Frank had told me that he had heard that JR does good work. Frank did not know anything first hand just from what he had heard.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #25, 09-17-2006 11:02 AM
      The money is not my concerne. I agreed to the amout without reservation. If he is making more than he should I don't care. All I want is a quality install and done in a timely manner. Basically I just want what I paid for! I don't think thats asking or expecting too much?

hnthomps (hnt100@aol.com) MSG #26, 09-17-2006 08:14 PM
      JR is also doing an engine conversion for another Forum member and is quite late on completing it. I believe that may be the N* that he says has been giving him trouble. I think that he has had that car for more than 6 months. I also talked with JR myself about a conversion but went with Loyde after that conversation and hearing about the delays on other cars.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 09-17-2006 08:23 PM
      Is the N* that the other PFF member having done going into a F40? If so, then that is the 1 JR says is giving him problems. The day I dropped my car off to JR he was just beginning the N* swap. The donor car was in his garage and the N* had not even been removed from it yet. When I went up there on the 9th, the F40 was in the garage and the N* was in it with no wires or hoses attached. JR told me he was having a problem with the brake conversion on the F40 too.

darkhorizon MSG #28, 09-18-2006 02:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

The money is not my concerne. I agreed to the amout without reservation. If he is making more than he should I don't care. All I want is a quality install and done in a timely manner. Basically I just want what I paid for! I don't think thats asking or expecting too much?



Honestly for that kind of money I would honestly expect a weekend turnover. I know for a fact that loyde over at FF has done extremly quality swaps in less than a weeks time. And he advertizes half of what your paying for a 3+ month job, maybe.

I would cut down the coil pack holder so it doesnt take up so much room. You really only need the parts that hold the pulleys where they need to be.

The exhaust is neat, looks like your on track to run a slightly smaller pulley. I asume your shooting for a 3.4 right?


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #29, 09-18-2006 05:59 AM
      Yes there is going to be a 3.4 pully. At least thats what JR told me was going to be put on the supercharger.

Jake_Dragon MSG #30, 09-18-2006 06:45 AM
      Glad hes talking to you now. Pictures look good, lets hope he gets it finished for you soon. Now for the important stuff, can I have a ride

BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #31, 09-18-2006 01:23 PM
      I know JR. I have done some freelance work in the past for him. He is a good guy and unless something has changed in the 12 years that I have known him, he isn't a scammer. Do you know he has stuff in SPACE? The guy can perform miracles with a machine shop and some metal. He has a kinda out there personality and can be a bit slow. IIRC he never could find good help. He lives out in the boonies. I went over that rickety bridge to the island on his property and thought for sure I was going to be eaten by a croc or the swap thing! If it wasn't that, it would be the various bees and killer ants that are all over his property. Have some faith, he will get it done. Just don't expect it to be completed quickly. He is to anal about every detail to slap something together quickly. I know it sucks and I'd be mad too. I just know how he is and I am offering some insight.

Steven

p.s. anyone remember Daytona '99 when he had company X (cant remember the actual name) shreds tires, ask me how. spray painted down the side of his F40 replica?



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #32, 09-18-2006 02:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Glad hes talking to you now. Pictures look good, lets hope he gets it finished for you soon. Now for the important stuff, can I have a ride


If and when I ever see my car again (swap complete) I will be more than happy to take you for a ride.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #33, 09-18-2006 02:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BV MotorSports:

I know JR. I have done some freelance work in the past for him. He is a good guy and unless something has changed in the 12 years that I have known him, he isn't a scammer. Do you know he has stuff in SPACE? The guy can perform miracles with a machine shop and some metal. He has a kinda out there personality and can be a bit slow. IIRC he never could find good help. He lives out in the boonies. I went over that rickety bridge to the island on his property and thought for sure I was going to be eaten by a croc or the swap thing! If it wasn't that, it would be the various bees and killer ants that are all over his property. Have some faith, he will get it done. Just don't expect it to be completed quickly. He is to anal about every detail to slap something together quickly. I know it sucks and I'd be mad too. I just know how he is and I am offering some insight.

Steven



I appreciate the insight Steven. My gut tells me that JR knows his stuff and I really have no doubts about his ability. My main gripe is the time it is taking him. The fact that my car has been there for 3 months and "nothing" has been started on it is what gets my goat. I have car meet plans for next month in the Keys (Spacecoast Fiero's Run to the Keys), a trip to Ohio planned for Christmas and New Years and a new paint job planned. He is cutting it real close to my plans. Also there is the fact that I am using a loaner vehicle from work and they are upset with "me" about how long I have been using this vehicle. I have a very uncomfortable feeling at work and that is not good for my livelyhood.


RotrexFiero MSG #34, 09-19-2006 09:05 PM
      It is not typical of people in this line of work to take on more than they can handle.....they have a difficult time saying no to any job and then often overwhelm themselves with more work than they can complete as negotiated.

I had the same problems when I was getting my engine rebuild. The machinist had the block for months when it literally was only a few hours of work. He was good, but I had to hound him to get it back.

I believe the mentality is rooted in the fear that they will not have any work, and consequently be out of business. So they instinctually say yes to every job, and work long crazy hours.



BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #35, 09-20-2006 08:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:
So they instinctually say yes to every job, and work long crazy hours.



I used to do that just to get away from my now ex-wife!


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #36, 09-22-2006 01:51 PM
      OK here are the 2 latest pics from JR. Received on 9/22/06 at 2:38am & 2:43am

first is the motor, minus the 3.4 pully, waiting to be mounted on the cradle.


Next is a pic of the front rotors painted and waiting to be put on the car.


According to 1 of the emails he sent the pics in last night... My old 2.8 was coming out today and the new 3800SC II was going to be mounted on the cradle. I sent him a reply email requesting pics tonight so hopefully he will come through and I will start seeing some "Major" progress taking place.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #37, 09-24-2006 06:03 PM
      Well "ANOTHER" delivery date has come and gone! Now he says next weekend! This "next weekend" thing is getting old.

And without further ado, here is the man (JR) responsible for all my fiero swap aggravation as he walks behind my car that still sits "untouched" for 14 weeks now.



Just another pic of my "untouched" car.



And 1 more of my "untouched" car.
If you mow your yard and find my car you might be JR!



Here is the power that sits impatiently in a corner waiting for installation.








And the cradle that impatiently sits on the side waiting for the power to be mounted. This cradle is "NOT" the cradle out of my car. It is another cradle that JR sand blasted and painted cause he said it will "speed up" the installation once my car starts to be torn apart. LOL Speed up? Gee after 14 weeks I don't think speeding it up by a couple extra hours is gonna make everything OK.



[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 09-24-2006).]

RotrexFiero MSG #38, 09-24-2006 06:22 PM
      Are you not worried? I mean with you pressuring him, and him trying to make a deadline. Will he not rush just to get it done, and then I mean what if you have problems? Its not like you can drive down the street to the dealer, this is all custom work. If you have to get something fixed how much trust are you going to have going back to him.



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #39, 09-24-2006 06:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

Are you not worried? I mean with you pressuring him, and him trying to make a deadline. Will he not rush just to get it done, and then I mean what if you have problems? Its not like you can drive down the street to the dealer, this is all custom work. If you have to get something fixed how much trust are you going to have going back to him.



Pressuring him? This was supposed to be completed 2 months ago and he hasn't even touched my car yet! If it takes me poking him in the arse with a red hot poker to get him to move then so be it. "HE" is the one who keeps telling me the car will be done by such a date not "ME" telling him to have it done by such a date. This is the 5th delivery date he has given me over the course of the past 3 1/2 months and we are now onto the 6th! If it is not done right and there are problems that he will not take care of then I have a really good attorney on standby who knows the entire situation allready.

Edit to add... In my heart I don't think JR is that kind of person to do a bad job just to get it done. If that was his intention then it would be done by now. I also believe he, in good faith, will take care of any issues that affect his work. JR knows what he is doing and is more than capable of doing it well but he is slower than snail snot!

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 09-24-2006).]

RotrexFiero MSG #40, 09-24-2006 07:30 PM
      Hey, my parents live right there in Fort Myers. Coming up next week.

Well that would have been a good source for me to get my own 3800sc, but not now.

As far as JR, you are really saying two things. In one respect he may do good work, but in another he has no respect for others, empathy for their plight (you are borrowing another car), and simple understanding of the importance of keeping your word (that just makes good business).

At this point of would have taken my car home, and demanded all my money back.

Good Luck. I will watch to see how this ends. Please keep us informed for the good or bad. Perhaps you may want to point him toward this thread, that will maybe motivate him. Again, how many Fiero owners are present here. He will never work on another Fiero again.


FIEROFLYER MSG #41, 09-24-2006 07:31 PM
      Not trying to make things worse but are you not concerned that your car is sitting in long grass keeping the under carriage good and wet most of the time slowly rusting away. Dan

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #42, 09-24-2006 08:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

Not trying to make things worse but are you not concerned that your car is sitting in long grass keeping the under carriage good and wet most of the time slowly rusting away. Dan


Yes I am concerned. This whole deal is a concern for me. I also wonder what kind of critters have decided to take refuge underneath my car and also have any critters decided to chew on pieces parts?

If anyone thinks that $8,500.00 comes easy to me then you are very wrong. I earn a modest salary and for me to spend that kind of money on a motor was a very BIG decision. Maybe this is all my fault for not researching into JR more before I decided to take my only vehicle to him for work. I refuse to take this car back without it being completed. I am too deep into it now to back out. All this time he has had my car I have had to still maintain the insurance and so on. For every month he has this car it costs me an additional $64.00 for the insurance on a vehicle that I don't have in my possession or can even drive. To me that is wasted money.


RotrexFiero MSG #43, 09-24-2006 09:20 PM
      Sounds like you are going to hold him to the agreement not matter what, but you have more than substantial proof that he is not doing anything, or presently has done very minimal. You are best to cut your losses now, for that kind of money you are trusting someone who is not very crediable. (Gawd maybe I should go into custom work for that kind of money.)

Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #44, 09-25-2006 12:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:


Yes I am concerned. This whole deal is a concern for me. I also wonder what kind of critters have decided to take refuge underneath my car and also have any critters decided to chew on pieces parts?

If anyone thinks that $8,500.00 comes easy to me then you are very wrong. I earn a modest salary and for me to spend that kind of money on a motor was a very BIG decision. Maybe this is all my fault for not researching into JR more before I decided to take my only vehicle to him for work. I refuse to take this car back without it being completed. I am too deep into it now to back out. All this time he has had my car I have had to still maintain the insurance and so on. For every month he has this car it costs me an additional $64.00 for the insurance on a vehicle that I don't have in my possession or can even drive. To me that is wasted money.


Been there.... done all of this my friend... trust me its painful... and as a student i make alot less then most people.... think 4.9 for over 18,000 dollars to some scam artists that will remain nameless at this point... my car went into that shop on a flatbed and then was removed from that shop 1 year later on a flatbed... if i hadn't forcefully taken it... it'd still be there... So basically what we have is a 4.9 for 18,000 in a years time... and then i meet PBJ and my car runs and is functional in a span of 7 days... like really... there are some people in that automotive world that shouldn't be allowed to touch cars.... those 2 scam artists that worked on mine are in that category....... oh well i cut my ties and losses and got out and ahead... PBJ now does all the major work and or upgrades to my car.... it really is true what they say... find one mechanic that you know and trust and stick to him like glue..

(and no 18,000 doesn't have too many zeros in it... its not a typo lol)

[This message has been edited by Saber49 (edited 09-25-2006).]

dudewithoutfiero MSG #45, 09-28-2006 09:42 PM
      hey jimmy so any news yet or is it going to be next weekend.send me a e-mail maybe we can meet so weekend and talk fieros. my e-mail is rsnook29@earthlink.net

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #46, 09-28-2006 11:04 PM
     

** Warning bad joke about to occur **

I think i know why he has not done your swap !

He lost your car in that tall a** grass !!


** Just kidding man, i feel for you. **


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #47, 09-29-2006 05:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
** Warning bad joke about to occur **

I think i know why he has not done your swap !

He lost your car in that tall a** grass !!


** Just kidding man, i feel for you. **


Like I said... If you mow your yard and find my car, you might be JR"


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #48, 09-29-2006 05:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dudewithoutfiero:

hey jimmy so any news yet or is it going to be next weekend.send me a e-mail maybe we can meet so weekend and talk fieros. my e-mail is rsnook29@earthlink.net


No word as of yet but I HIGHLY doubt he will come through. I will be calling him later today to find out. My GF is betting me that it will be next weekend. The reason she says that is because next Sat. is her B-Day and she thinks we will be spending her B-Day going to pick up the car. I told her that we can get it on Sunday but she doesn't want me to wait any more. She has watched me basically fall apart mentally over this car and can't believe I have had to deal with it this long. I think she wants me to have the car back more than I do. Probably because she is tired of listening to me complain about it. I don't blame her.

I will email you later. Would love to talk Fiero's.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #49, 09-29-2006 05:51 PM
      Well I was right. Talked with JR and once again another delivery date has come and gone. Car will not be ready this weekend. He says "maybe" by Thursday. He emailed me the most recent pics from today.

Engine on the cradle.



Center hub for the 3.4 pully which has still not been delivered yet.
OMG I HAVE PROOF HE HAS TOUCHED MY CAR! Well not the car but parts for the car.



Rear A-Arms and Struts. Coilover parts still have not been delivered yet either.



God I wish he owned a better camera. Notice the difference in quality between the pics I take and the ones he does?

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GKDINC MSG #50, 09-29-2006 06:16 PM
      Hey Jim, At least it looks like some progress, Thursday might be pushing it again but I hope not. I sure would like to see this one in person.
Good Luck
Gary


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #51, 09-29-2006 06:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

Hey Jim, At least it looks like some progress, Thursday might be pushing it again but I hope not. I sure would like to see this one in person.
Good Luck
Gary


You will get to see it Gary I promise. I plan on doing a LOT of driving showing it off when I get it back.


Chicken McNizzle (boscolingus@yahoo.com) MSG #52, 09-29-2006 06:28 PM
      just outta simple curiousity, does the "JR" know that your taking pictures of him and demeaning him on a public forum. I understand your frustration, but do not agree with your tactics. Isn't there a slight chance this might turn around on you, or this "JR" might use this as an angle of defamation to even extend the completion date, or simply turn down the swap after all this wait?



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #53, 09-29-2006 09:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Chicken McNizzle:

just outta simple curiousity, does the "JR" know that your taking pictures of him and demeaning him on a public forum. I understand your frustration, but do not agree with your tactics. Isn't there a slight chance this might turn around on you, or this "JR" might use this as an angle of defamation to even extend the completion date, or simply turn down the swap after all this wait?



To answer your first question. Yes JR knows about the pictures. He personally took me, my girfriend and a friend of mine into his garage for the purpose of taking pictures. I was in plain view when the picture of him behind the car was taken as I took numerous pics of the car in the same time frame as the 1 with him in it. Part 2 of your first question... demeaning him? I have not called him names nor have I put down his work. I stated earlier that I truely believe he is fully capable of doing a good job. All I have said is fact that he has missed numerous delivery dates. JR has been told about this build thread and is a member here so i'm sure he has read it. As for your last question. Get real! JR is a smart guy and doesn't want any trouble from me any more than I want trouble from him. All I want is the job completed that I paid for so I can go on my merry way and he can collect the rest of the money. What started out as a 4-6 week job has now extended into 16 weeks!


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #54, 10-03-2006 05:53 PM
      Well JR finally sent me another pic today and it appears that my car has finally made it into the shop garage area.

Front ready to accept the brake conversion and the new poly.



Chicken McNizzle (boscolingus@yahoo.com) MSG #55, 10-03-2006 06:45 PM
      I did not mean any misunderstanding, I disagree with the car taking this long - have personally dealt from "JR"s end of the deal working at WCF - what Im saying is just dont give him a reason to turn it around on you - and now that he has started, ride his ass untill it is done to YOUR satisfaction.

Best of luck to you man, look forawrd to reaing about another 3800 on the road


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #56, 10-03-2006 07:14 PM
      I know you want your car finished and done on time, But I would not rush him too much, If someone starts rushing too much on something like a 3800 sc 2 swap there can be alot of errors and mistakes made. I did the same thing when I was making my wire harness to my swap, I was going on 3 months and was thinking how long this was taking me, Well Since I rushed to much I made numerous mistakes on the harness, Causing me to have to repull it and do it all over again I also goofed on my transmission lines causing them to pop loose.
This was also my first 3800 sc 2 swap tho And it took me a bit over 3 months to complete mine. Im willing to bet he has taken too many projects at once, Usually engine swap fiero ppl make that mistake.


GKDINC MSG #57, 10-03-2006 07:22 PM
      Hey Jim, Things are looking a little better. At least some more progress. Are all the parts there now so that it can be completed?
Talk to you later
Good Luck
Gary


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #58, 10-03-2006 09:54 PM
     

Hey Earl,

I am starting to think 3800 SC on my choptop. We may have to talk at a future CFF meeting or at the Fall Haul.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #59, 10-04-2006 12:31 PM
      Still don't know if the other parts are in yet or not. Called JR a hour ago and left him a message to call me. Just received these 2 pics from him in my email but haven't talked to him yet.





JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #60, 10-04-2006 04:43 PM
      OK just got off the phone with JR and everything but the sleeves for the coil overs and the pully for the supercharger has come in.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #61, 10-05-2006 02:48 PM
      The car will not be done this Thursday or this weekend for that matter. He is now saying "MAYBE" next weekend! That means if he has it ready by that Saturday (10/14/06) I will make it to The Run to the Keys. If the car isn't done in time for The Run to the Keys me and JR are gonna have a problem. I expressed to him on the phone that it was imperative that the car be done by the 14th.

Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #62, 10-05-2006 05:13 PM
      Jimmy im sorry to say but ive dealt with people who have given dates and ive given multiple "impertaive deadlines" for instance... high school prom... it was very important to me that my car be ready for that day.... well it wasn't ready for another 7-8 months after that... and thats after taking it to a mechanic 200 km's away... i gave numerous... finish it or else dates... and yet nothing was completed... i do feel your pain and hope you get your car out soon.

CoolBlue87GT (coolblue87gt@comcast.net) MSG #63, 10-06-2006 11:11 PM
      Jimmy, Please check your PM & mail.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #64, 10-15-2006 08:50 AM
      Well in case you haven't allready guessed..."Another" delivery date come and gone.
On Wednesday 10/11/06 I had a very heated disscussion with JR on the phone. I will not get into the details of our conversation but lets just say "it wasn't pleasant".
Yesterday 11/14/06 I went up there "Again" to see what was going on. When I got there the old motor still had not been removed from the car.
All parts that he has been waiting on "IE" the coil over parts and the supercharger pully have come in.






Here are the exhaust tips.




Now that all parts are there you would think there would be no more excuses right?

I arrived there at 12:30pm and took some pictures and had another disscussion with him. At the end of our disscussion I asked what was next to do? He replied with pull the old motor. I rolled up my sleeves (so to speak. I had a short sleeve shirt on) and said..."Well lets get to it"!

Here is where my car had sat for the past 4 months.



Here is where it sits now.




Continued....

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #65, 10-15-2006 09:01 AM
      "WE" then proceeded to tear into the car. I didn't go up there prepared to do work but what the hell "Someones gotta do it".





I had said earlier in this thred that the battery tray replacement was part of the agreed upon price and here is why. Forgive the goofy face...I was being a goof for my girlfriend as she took the pic.



While JR did some work disconecting some more things in the engine compartment I proceeded to remove the computer.






Continued...


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #66, 10-15-2006 09:08 AM
      After some more sniping, clipping, unplugging and unbolting she was ready to come out.





And here we go......Weeeeeee





And Viola she is out!




Continued...

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #67, 10-15-2006 09:19 AM
      Here is the only trouble spot in the engine bay. The battery area.



Then it was on to removing all unnecessary parts from the engine bay.




I left JR's at 5:30pm and he said that he was going to remove the fuel tank to replace the fuel pump, sandblast the battery area, degrease the engine compartment and get it painted before he went to bed last night. Today he was to start the installation of the new motor. Lets hope all goes as planned and I have my car back by Wednesday 10/18/06 so I can get the allignment done and get the car cleaned up and ready for "The run to the Keys" on 10/20/06

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Mr.Chipps (ih1940hay@gmail.com) MSG #68, 10-15-2006 10:38 AM
      Looks like there was a lot of progress made. Maybe you should visit more often. Although with the engine out the 3800 SC must be installed before he can take it out of the garage, easily that is.
Thinks are looking up.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #69, 10-15-2006 10:59 AM
     

Kudos to you Jimmy for taking control of the situation and getting something done.

Hopefully things will turn as well as you had hoped.



Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #70, 10-15-2006 11:47 AM
      wow, there was more acompished in that one day than in the previous 6 months.....and I thought I procrastinated (hence why im on the computer now and not in garage!)

hope you get it back before the keys run


Cplensdorf MSG #71, 10-15-2006 12:24 PM
      Well, I hope you are now back-billing him $143/hr. for your time!!!!

I hate to say, but this is pathetic that people are willing to accept this kind of thing from ANY vendor. I think you are doing what you need to to get the job done, but I think you are making a big mistake if you do not set down some ground rules right now regarding the remainder of the money owed. This is your only leverage point at this time. He is keenly aware of your disappointment with his delays (I assume you have spoken with him directly), so I would revise the contract you have with him by having him commit to a realistic delivery date on paper with implications (i.e. % reduction, refund of some costs) if he misses the dates. If he will not agree to this, then I would negotiate what he has done and the balance/refund owed and have someone else on PFF take this job over. This guy has no regard for your timelines, your car (for God's sake he parked it in a grass field and left it to the elements), his committments and his reputation. This is a recipe for disaster. Do not rationalize away his actions...

And I think you are doing exactly the right thing by posting this info on PFF. You are not slandering him so long as you tell the truth (which it appears you have been fair). I am not quite sure what Chicken is smoking, but take none of his advice. A detailed and timely documentation of your actions (and his) is what will ultimately stand up in court. In fact, you are actually allowing him to respond to your facts....what more could you do.

My last concern is how you will handle follow-up issues with him...I am afraid that you may have boxed yourself into a corner on this one....

My advice.....get out as soon as you can....and advise as many people as you can about his actions.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #72, 10-15-2006 03:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.Chipps:

Looks like there was a lot of progress made. Maybe you should visit more often. Although with the engine out the 3800 SC must be installed before he can take it out of the garage, easily that is.
Thinks are looking up.


If I didn't have to work this week I would be up there helping to get it completed. Unfortunately I "have" to work. Lets hope that my conversation with him motivated him enough to get cracking.

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #73, 10-15-2006 03:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Kudos to you Jimmy for taking control of the situation and getting something done.

Hopefully things will turn as well as you had hoped.


Thanks exoticse, 90% of everything done to the car (excluding the swap) I had done myself. Now I can say that I had my hands into the swap too! I am by no means a mechanic but I "am" mechanically inclined and learn very quick. It feels good knowing that I was able to get physically involved in the swap. I may not have had a big part in the swap but just knowing I had a part in it make me feel good.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 10-15-2006 03:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Back On Holiday:

wow, there was more acompished in that one day than in the previous 6 months.....

hope you get it back before the keys run


I have that same feeling! LOL and by the way..it is 4 months not 6. Actually it has been 17 weeks (little over 4 months).


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #75, 10-15-2006 03:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cplensdorf:

Well, I hope you are now back-billing him $143/hr. for your time!!!!

I hate to say, but this is pathetic that people are willing to accept this kind of thing from ANY vendor. I think you are doing what you need to to get the job done, but I think you are making a big mistake if you do not set down some ground rules right now regarding the remainder of the money owed. This is your only leverage point at this time. He is keenly aware of your disappointment with his delays (I assume you have spoken with him directly), so I would revise the contract you have with him by having him commit to a realistic delivery date on paper with implications (i.e. % reduction, refund of some costs) if he misses the dates. If he will not agree to this, then I would negotiate what he has done and the balance/refund owed and have someone else on PFF take this job over. This guy has no regard for your timelines, your car (for God's sake he parked it in a grass field and left it to the elements), his committments and his reputation. This is a recipe for disaster. Do not rationalize away his actions...

And I think you are doing exactly the right thing by posting this info on PFF. You are not slandering him so long as you tell the truth (which it appears you have been fair). I am not quite sure what Chicken is smoking, but take none of his advice. A detailed and timely documentation of your actions (and his) is what will ultimately stand up in court. In fact, you are actually allowing him to respond to your facts....what more could you do.

My last concern is how you will handle follow-up issues with him...I am afraid that you may have boxed yourself into a corner on this one....

My advice.....get out as soon as you can....and advise as many people as you can about his actions.


Most of your concerns were part of my heated discussion with him. Lets just say that I have it covered and I really appreciate your advice.


Dragon (dragon@spacecoastfieros.com) MSG #76, 10-15-2006 05:10 PM
      Jimmy


I like that big hole in the engine compartment. I would not count on having the car for the Keys - but at least you were willing to give it a shot and drive down to the Keys.

Frank


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #77, 10-15-2006 05:16 PM
      Wait till the engine is inside the fiero engine bay, When mine finally made it into my fieros engine bay, I sat there for 40mins staring at it My friends wife is like WTF is wrong with your friend, He's been staring at the same spot on that car for a long time. I told them The yellow supercharger has put me in a daze
I hope your first time firing it up goes better then mine went LOL, I remember when I tried firing mine up and hearing it only run on 4 cyls (Injectors wired very wrong ) Needless to say, I learned how to do a wire harness the hard way.

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Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #78, 10-16-2006 12:20 AM
      Jimmy, I feel your pain but I think you're setting yourself up for another disappointment if you want him to have the installation totally done, checked out and tweaked along with all the suspension changes by this wednesday. Let him take the time to do it right. You're going to be living with this setup for a long time. Wouldn't you rather have it done properly & miss the Keys trip than push him into taking short cuts or rushing it out the door. I have a feeling you're not going to be parting on the best of terms so let him get it right. You don't want to have to go back there for follow up work. Good luck!!! Harry



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #79, 10-16-2006 03:25 PM
      Dirty Harry you have a PM.

Well I talked it over with my boss today and I am going into work in the morning 10/17/06 for 2 hours, 7am - 9am, then I am leaving to head to JR's and get some more work done on the car. I called JR today and told him that I was coming up there and would be there around noonish. I will work with JR till around 5ish and then head back home. I gotta do what I gotta do to get this thing done. I am kinda glad that I will be helping cause that way I had a part in the swap and maybe I will learn a little that will help me with future problems as they arise.

Edit to add...Anyone wanna go with me?

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GKDINC MSG #80, 10-16-2006 04:02 PM
      Nice to see some progress, I noticed it had front tires, does this mean the front end work is complete?
If I were wealthy enough not to have to work I would love to help out, but since I like to eat I must work.
Any photo's from Saturday evening?
Good Luck
Gary


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #81, 10-16-2006 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

Nice to see some progress, I noticed it had front tires, does this mean the front end work is complete?
If I were wealthy enough not to have to work I would love to help out, but since I like to eat I must work.
Any photo's from Saturday evening?
Good Luck
Gary


Yes the front end work is complete. I will feed ya Gary. Lets go! No photo's from Saturday night but I will take plenty tomorrow don't you worry. I will probably post them Wednesday cause by the time I get home tomorrow night I am gonna be exhausted. 2 hours work in the morning, 3 hour drive up there, 5 hours work up there and then a 3 hour drive back makes for a long day and I have to be at work wednesday morning at 6:30am.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 10-16-2006 04:52 PM
      Got a bunch of parts laying around that I intended on putting on the car when I got it back but since I am going up there and the rear is dissassembled I might as well install these...


new spalsh guards from Rodney Dickman. Thanks Rodney for offering a great product with lightning fast shipping.

And might as well take this with me for installation too...


Electronic Cruise controll purchased from Ryan at Sinister Performace. Thanks for all you help Ryan.

Might as well change this out while I am up there...


NOS Leather shifter handle purchased on eBay.

I will save this till I get the car back here and get it cleaned up...


Spare Tire cover also from Rodney Dickman. Thanks again Rodney. Your are GREAT!

I have to save this till I get the car back home cause I need to convert the green insert that is in the existing lense into the new lense...



NOS RH Tail light lense purchased on eBay. The LH one is allready new.

These will wait till I get the car in for paint...


Dietmar side scoops purchased from Fiero1fan. Great Guy!

I also have a auto dimming mirror with compass, temp and UV but I really don't care to promote the guy so I won't post a pic or his name.

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Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #83, 10-16-2006 07:08 PM
      Thats ok, I'll do it for you the jim.
This is the mirror that is going in jimmy's car.










JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #84, 10-16-2006 08:07 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by Fieroeddie:

Thats ok, I'll do it for you the jim.
This is the mirror that is going in jimmy's car.

[QUOTE]

WOW thats mighty nice of ya there ED. Less than 3 hours to chime in with your 0.02
Too bad you were'nt that quick and concerned when it came to shipping it out to me.
Here is an idea...why don't you go to work with JR? You both have about the same service.

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Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #85, 10-16-2006 08:33 PM
      Jim I have a better idea, check to make sure the address is correct on your paypal so it doesn't end up where you don't want it. Like a neighbor's house (Jim lives in an apartment). I just loved the way you accused me of purposely sending it to your next door neighbor and not telling you about it and then filing a claim when it was already over there.

Admit it Jim, it's ok you were wrong. An apology would have been nice but it appears you never gave one out before and aren't ready yet. I see that you started a thread about the postal services being against you. It appears that you are confused about whos at fault. So GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU DOG ME!!


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #86, 10-16-2006 09:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fieroeddie:

Jim I have a better idea, check to make sure the address is correct on your paypal so it doesn't end up where you don't want it. Like a neighbor's house (Jim lives in an apartment). I just loved the way you accused me of purposely sending it to your next door neighbor and not telling you about it and then filing a claim when it was already over there.

Admit it Jim, it's ok you were wrong. An apology would have been nice but it appears you never gave one out before and aren't ready yet. I see that you started a thread about the postal services being against you. It appears that you are confused about whos at fault. So GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU DOG ME!!


My facts "ARE" straight! Lets just revisit the situation shall we?
FACT 1: Paypal payment sent for mirror on 7/4/06
FACT 2: PM from "YOU" saying it was shipped on 7/5/06
FACT 3: Paypal address is right! It's even a verified address. See pic below...


FACT 4: Notice ship date on pic below... and also notice the 2 different addresses and names on the labels. I'm quite sure that "I" didn't give that address to Fed-Ex. "You shipped it so that means "You" supplied them with that address.


Hmmm ship date shows 15 days from the date "you" told me you shipped it.

FACT 5: I tried numerous times to contact you before I filed the claim to Paypal. Claim filed on 7/15/06, 5 days "before" "you" even shipped the mirror so how could I file a claim with Paypal when it was already here and you hadn't even shipped it yet? Hmmm Puzzling isn't it!
FACT 6: "YOU" never replied until the paypal claim was filed.

So now that I have shown the "facts".
Woof Woof Woof Barkin like a dog, Barkin like a dog

You Ed are a LIAR! If I had not filed that claim with paypal I might have never seen that mirror.

Edit to add... Now crawl back into your dog house before I make you look like a bigger A$$ than you already are.
Just remember..."You" came into my thread. I was content on not mentioning any names but since you felt the urge to hi-jack my thread then you deserve to get whooped with the news paper like a "DOG".

Another edit to add... As for an appology. Feel free to appologize anytime!

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Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #87, 10-16-2006 11:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:


My facts "ARE" straight! Lets just revisit the situation shall we?
FACT 1: Paypal payment sent for mirror on 7/4/06
FACT 2: PM from "YOU" saying it was shipped on 7/5/06
FACT 3: Paypal address is right! It's even a verified address. See pic below...


FACT 4: Notice ship date on pic below... and also notice the 2 different addresses and names on the labels. I'm quite sure that "I" didn't give that address to Fed-Ex. "You shipped it so that means "You" supplied them with that address.


Hmmm ship date shows 15 days from the date "you" told me you shipped it.

FACT 5: I tried numerous times to contact you before I filed the claim to Paypal. Claim filed on 7/15/06, 5 days "before" "you" even shipped the mirror so how could I file a claim with Paypal when it was already here and you hadn't even shipped it yet? Hmmm Puzzling isn't it!
FACT 6: "YOU" never replied until the paypal claim was filed.

So now that I have shown the "facts".
Woof Woof Woof Barkin like a dog, Barkin like a dog

You Ed are a LIAR! If I had not filed that claim with paypal I might have never seen that mirror.

Edit to add... Now crawl back into your dog house before I make you look like a bigger A$$ than you already are.
Just remember..."You" came into my thread. I was content on not mentioning any names but since you felt the urge to hi-jack my thread then you deserve to get whooped with the news paper like a "DOG".

Another edit to add... As for an appology. Feel free to appologize anytime!



Pwned! lol......


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #88, 10-16-2006 11:52 PM
      LIAR LIAR LIAR. First off I never contacted you on the 5th. Like I told you I was on vacation till the end of the week. Yeah, thats called fourth of July holiday. I was not back until the 12th the following week. The mirror was shipped on the night of the nineteenth. Then your DUMBASS decides to put in a dispute. After the tracking was given and it shows the mirror was dropped off you upgrade the dispute to a claim. Also the dispute was never closed by you, you never told Paypal you received the item.

That is proof you would have stole it because YOU are the THIEF. I do know you would have stole it because numerous times I asked you to close the dispute when you received it.

And also dumbass, notice that label is a Fedex made label from an employee from Fedex, not from me. As you can clearly see (thank you for pointing it out in your ultimate dumbassness) my labels have your address on them. Then you give me never ending grief because your dumbass thinks it was my shipping label that sent it to your neighbors. I still think it's funny that you say I did it. (Notice I even put your neighbor's name on it because I know who lives next to you)

I love this picture as it really shows that you ARE a dumbass!!


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #89, 10-17-2006 12:02 AM
      Here are some more pictures of the mirror installed.





This is another mirror that I sell.



Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #90, 10-17-2006 12:11 AM
      Wow, that is some major red. I could get a burned off that.



I also wanted to point out that the argument was never over when it arrived there (seven days after I was able to send it) but the fact that "dumbass" was such an @$$hole about Fedex screwing up he left threatening voicemails implying that I "owe" him something because of it.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #91, 10-17-2006 09:12 AM
      Oh little Eddie. Unfortunately I am on the way out the door right now to take care of my car situation and don't have the time to respond to you. Be advised though that I "will" respond with hard proof from paypal to support my claim. Now get back outside, you smell like wet dog!

Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #92, 10-17-2006 04:52 PM
      Ok little Jimmy, you really are a dumbass! I'm not contesting the fact that you sent payment on the 4th. Or that you opened a claim on that date said (fifteenth). Just wanted to point out how much of an @sshole you are. Wait, you already did it for yourself. I really do feel bad for JR, as a matter of fact, I feel bad for the entire state of Florida for having to deal with you.

Here I'll make the timeline for you.
July 4th- payment made
July 12th- day I get back from vacation
July 15th- Jimmy opens dispute (I did not check my paypal account e-mail until Jimmy sends nasty e-mail)
July 18th- Jimmy sends nasty e-mail
July 19th- package gets sent out (near midnight hence the 20th date)
July 21-22nd- Package arrives at his neighbor's house
July 23- Jimmy leaves threatening messages on my phone
July 25- Jimmy realizes it's at his neighbor's house does not close dispute
July 25- Jimmy blames me for mismatching the address and labeling the package with his neighbor's name instead of his. Sends me a final e-mail stating this. Never apologized for being the @sshole he was and realizing that it was a Fedex botched label.
Remember, Jimmy is never wrong.

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GKDINC MSG #93, 10-18-2006 03:57 PM
      Is it installed? Lets see some pic's

Gary


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #94, 10-18-2006 06:57 PM
      OK first things first. To get back on topic. I will deal with the other problem in a bit.

Well I got to JR's about 12:45pm. When I got there JR was working on the wire harness. I thought it was already done but I must have been wrong. "See Eddie I CAN admit when I'm wrong". The engine compartment was done. It had been sandblasted and re-painted. The new fuel pump was installed into the gas tank but the tank had not yet been re-installed.

While JR worked on the wire harness I took the old wheel knuckles off the old suspension. 1 of them was a major pain to get the tie rod off and I ended up just cutting the bolt off. No need to worry about it cause I have new ones from the Fiero Store to replace the old ones. After closer inspection JR noticed something wrong with the new Tie Rods. They were quite a bit shorter than the old ones. I called the Fiero Store and it turns out they shipped the wrong ones. They are shipping replacements to JR and he should have them on Friday. Just a small set back but there is no way the car will be ready for The Run to the Keys. OK back on track. I got into the engine compartment and proceeded to strip off all the old wire covering and replace it with new.

I know you want to see pics and I did take some pics but when I was ready to leave at 6:30pm I decided to leave my camera with JR to take pics with it instead of his. Mine takes great pics and his are only soso and I want great pics so I left my camera with him. JR is going to take a bunch of pics using my cam and take a couple pics with his cam to email to me.

I talked with JR today and he said he has some pics to send me tonight so once I get them I will post them. If JR kept on track with what he told me then the wire harness should be complete and the motor should have been mounted into the car today. He is going to try and have the car done and ready for delivery by Sunday.

While I was up there I came to realize that JR is very meticulous with his work and he is also very knowledgeable when it comes to the swaps he does. This makes me very happy. I knew in my heart that I did not make a bad choice with someone who was using me a guinee pig for this swap. Now that work has finally begun I expect to see the car home with me very soon.



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #95, 10-18-2006 08:14 PM
      Now on to Eddie. It seems by your posts that you have your panties in a bunch. Maybe I sould call you Edwina. Yeah thats a good name for you. From now on Eddie is known as Edwina.

Lets start at the beginning.
Quoted from a previous post of Edwina's...
"Jim I have a better idea, check to make sure the address is correct on your paypal so it doesn't end up where you don't want it".
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Copy and Pasted straight from the Paypal web site...
Name:
Edmund Grzeszkiewicz
Email:
gtaed@yahoo.com



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #96, 10-18-2006 09:32 PM
      Another quote from a previous post from edwina...

"That is proof you would have stole it because YOU are the THIEF. I do know you would have stole it because numerous times I asked you to close the dispute when you received it".

Now how do you come to the conclusion that I am a THIEF? Did I pay you? Answer.."Yes"! Did I get the mirror and upgrade the dispute to a claim and get my money back? Answer...NO!
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Another quote from Edwina...

"And also dumbass, notice that label is a Fedex made label from an employee from Fedex, not from me".

I know it is a FedEx label but if you call FedEx like I did to try and find out why that label had that address, FedEx will tell you that the customer enter the shipping info into the computer and the FedEx employee just prints it. I spent a total of over an hour on the phone with different FedEx people trying to find out how that happened. i spoke with 6 different fedEx people and all of them claim that "YOU" (Edwina) had to have given them that info.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Another quote from Edwina...

"I'm not contesting the fact that you sent payment on the 4th. Or that you opened a claim on that date said (fifteenth)".

Well I could swear that earlier you (Edwina) claimed I opened the claim with Paypal "AFTER" you shipped the mirror.
I love it when people contradict themselves!
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Another quote from Edwina...

"Here I'll make the timeline for you.
July 4th- payment made
July 12th- day I get back from vacation
July 15th- Jimmy opens dispute (I did not check my paypal account e-mail until Jimmy sends nasty e-mail)
July 18th- Jimmy sends nasty e-mail
July 19th- package gets sent out (near midnight hence the 20th date)
July 21-22nd- Package arrives at his neighbor's house
July 23- Jimmy leaves threatening messages on my phone
July 25- Jimmy realizes it's at his neighbor's house does not close dispute
July 25- Jimmy blames me for mismatching the address and labeling the package with his neighbor's name instead of his. Sends me a final e-mail stating this. Never apologized for being the @sshole he was and realizing that it was a Fedex botched label".

My responses to each and every claim you just made....
July 4th- payment made___________________I agree

July 12th- day I get back from vacation__________Possible can't prove otherwise but you (Edwina) never told me you were going on vacation like you claimed.

July 15th- Jimmy opens dispute (I did not check my paypal account e-mail until Jimmy sends nasty e-mail _____Agree...dispute opened on the 15th and I did not email you on the 15th. Paypal emailed you with my comments as to why I filed a dispute (not a claim) and if you read the post above that I copied from paypal, the comments on the 15 were polite. In case you (Edwina) don't want to take the effore to scroll up, here is the info Copy and Pasted from Paypal again...From Buyer: James Schulz on 7/15/2006 13:50 PDT
It has been 11 days and I still have not received the mirror. It should not take that long coming from IL. to FL. I have left you several messages asking about where the mirror is and you have not responded. Please do so immediately so this matter may be resolved. Either the mirror in my possesion ASAP or a refund of my money. Thank you James Schulz

July 18th- Jimmy sends nasty e-mail___________Again you got that email from Paypal as posted above. here it is again for you (Edwina)...From Buyer: James Schulz on 7/18/2006 13:10 PDT
You have till fri. the 21st to get this mirror in my hands or this claim will be closed and i will seek my money back! It has been 18 days since I paid you! I also posted the same message on your thread! Now if getting a little nasty with someone who has $109.95 of my money and has not shipped my product yet is a crime, then sue me! I feel justified in getting a little demanding or nasty as you (Edwina) call it.

*Now mind you....when this was posted and emailed to you, you have already claimed to be back from vacation for "6" days! 6 days back from vacation at this point in time and you "STILL" had not shipped my mirror.

July 19th- package gets sent out (near midnight hence the 20th date)_______ Near midnight constitutes the 20th! If you had shipped it earlier in the day then you would be justified in saying you shipped it on the 19th but near midnight is considered the 20th you PUTZ!

July 21-22nd- Package arrives at his neighbor's house______Are you on crack or are you just a Dee Dee Dee? (Anyone who has seen Carlos Mencia will understand the Dee Dee Dee remark) You did not pay for overnight shipping so how could I have gotten it that quick? In fact...I did not get it that quick! here is the tracking number to prove it! 468630764410656 Go to fedex.com and check for yourself... The package was delivered on the 25th! Here is a copy and paste from the fedex website...
Date/Time

Activity

Location

Details


Jul 25, 2006 10:30 AM
Delivered
Naples, FL
Left at front door. Signature Service not requested.


7:08 AM
On FedEx vehicle for delivery
FORT MYERS, FL

4:57 AM
At local FedEx facility

3:19 AM
Departed FedEx location
ORLANDO, FL

Jul 24, 2006 3:10 PM
Arrived at FedEx location
ORLANDO, FL

Jul 21, 2006 7:54 AM
Departed FedEx location
CHAMPAIGN, IL

1:37 AM
Arrived at FedEx location
CHAMPAIGN, IL

Jul 20, 2006 9:36 PM
Left origin
HAMMOND, IN

7:45 PM
Arrived at FedEx location
HAMMOND, IN

6:02 PM
Picked up
HAMMOND, IN

4:44 AM
Package data transmitted to FedEx

July 23- Jimmy leaves threatening messages on my phone_________How could I possibly have left a threatening message on your phone when I didn't even get your phone # till the 25th when I finally tracked down the package and got your number off the package?

July 25- Jimmy realizes it's at his neighbor's house does not close dispute ________Yep after 2 hours of searching for the package and contacting FedEx trying to find out where it was cause on their website it said they left it at the door. I did not close the dispute and here is why...the dispute will close on it's own after 45 days and seeing how you (Edwina) took your good ole time shipping it out to me I figured I would just let it time out. Sounded like a fair trade to me.

July 25- Jimmy blames me for mismatching the address and labeling the package with his neighbor's name instead of his. Sends me a final e-mail stating this. Never apologized for being the @sshole he was and realizing that it was a Fedex botched label"._________ You (Edwina) shipped it so you (Edwina) are to blame! What should I appologize for? Demanding the product I paid for? I don't think so!
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now Edwina I bid you a fond farewell and may you find a backhoe or something to help you get the facts that I just shoved up your ass, out.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-18-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #97, 10-18-2006 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Saber49:


Pwned! lol......


Now he "IS" Pwned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #98, 10-18-2006 09:47 PM
      Uh, ok so I'll call you Jamie because your such a little ***** . Jamie (***** ), I still don't know what your trying to do but be an @sshole. You really are a dumbass, also a giant liar as I did not contact you on the 5th.

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieBITCH:
Now you say that you did not PM me on the 5th and you also say that you told me you were on vacation. Now unfortunately I do not have that PM but.... If you did not PM me like you say then what possible reason would I have for the following posts?


Because, I was on vacation you twit! You were writing messages in my thread not me.

Read above and notice that you sent a dispute to Paypal on the 15th to my Paypal address. You never sent me an e-mail or a PM and I have saved all my PMs so it can be proven. You don't try and reach someone in a thread that is that old in a fast moving forum. That is just plain dumb, oh wait thats you.

Fiero1fan wrote in my thread:

 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:
JimmyS, normally he is very reliable. I have had a couple of dealings with him and was always very satisfied.
I don't have a phone number but here is his email ( fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net ). Maybe he is on vacation. That is the only thing I can think of.


And then, DUH! You sent me an e-mail to where it was supposed to go reading:

James" <imezru1967@hotmail.com>
To: fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Fiero Mirror
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:09:21 -0400
Where the hell is my mirror that I paid you for 18 days ago?!

(Apparently you can't add either. 18 days huh? Didn't you say you paid me on the 4th? If this isn't proof you are completely dense I guess I don't have an argument left!)

This is when I noticed that you were an @sshole and I sent the mirror out the following day. You wrote at 4 P.M. so I had dropped the package off at Fedex the next day at night when I get done at work.

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieBITCH:
Dispute Closed: 8/4/2006 13:55


You mean the dispute automatically closed because you didn't bother to say you received the package. Don't worry I already know you ARE a thief!

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieBITCH:
And you (Edwina) have the nerve to call me a "LIAR"? If I had upgraded the dispute to a claim I would have gotten my money back! Now who's the dumba$$/ Edwina is thats who!


Your right, if it was a claim (my mistake thinking he actually did put one in) you would get your money back as you would have STOLE it! You just proved it in your wording. You received the mirror on the 22nd (abouts) and filed a dispute on the fifteenth. It automatically closed on 8/04/06 because you didn't tell them to close the dispute. A claim takes ten days to process and even if you did put one in immediately it would have ended on the 25th three days after you received it.

You lost the argument a long time ago ******* . Give it up already.


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #99, 10-18-2006 10:00 PM
      Have to add more since the redneck loser wants more. (JamieB!tch)



 
quote
Originally posted by Jamieb!tch:
Dee Dee Dee


This is still the best picture that you posted of yourself. So cool I'm putting it in my avatar!


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #100, 10-18-2006 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JamieB!tch:
July 19th- package gets sent out (near midnight hence the 20th date)_______ Near midnight constitutes the 20th! If you had shipped it earlier in the day then you would be justified in saying you shipped it on the 19th but near midnight is considered the 20th you PUTZ!


Because I get off of work late JamieB!tch! I'm saying this because after I heard from you I sent it out. If you weren't so dense You'd understand the relevance of the implication.

Here is proof that it was shipped early the 20th from the Paypal site. This is dated when I got home and immediately replied.

From Seller: Edmund Grzeszkiewicz on 7/20/2006 03:19 PDT
Shipped

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieB!tch:
July 23- Jimmy leaves threatening messages on my phone_________How could I possibly have left a threatening message on your phone when I didn't even get your phone # till the 25th when I finally tracked down the package and got your number off the package?


Because it must have slipped your non-existing mind. Just like you forgot about the e-mail you sent me on the 18th which shows you can't count.

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieB!tch:
July 25- Jimmy blames me for mismatching the address and labeling the package with his neighbor's name instead of his. Sends me a final e-mail stating this. Never apologized for being the @sshole he was and realizing that it was a Fedex botched label"._________ You (Edwina) shipped it so you (Edwina) are to blame! What should I appologize for? Demanding the product I paid for? I don't think so!


So.... tell us what you're really upset about.

 
quote
Originally posted by JamieB!tch:
July 25- Jimmy realizes it's at his neighbor's house does not close dispute ________Yep after 2 hours of searching for the package and contacting FedEx trying to find out where it was cause on their website it said they left it at the door. I did not close the dispute and here is why...the dispute will close on it's own after 45 days and seeing how you (Edwina) took your good ole time shipping it out to me I figured I would just let it time out. Sounded like a fair trade to me.


Two hours of searching!?! Now I know why your teacher's always pointed where the short bus was waiting for you. Yeah I'm sure your neighbor is so hard to find seeing hes accross the hallway from you. I could only imagine your poor parents. Jiiiimmyyy! your in the wrong bedroom again honey. you're fifteen you can't nurse from mommy anymore.

Since you think I wrote the wrong address on the package, it's because your neighbor bought one too. I had his name coincidentally and thought it'd be cool to send yours to him too. (Sarcasm, I know you can't think well.)
JamieB!tch, since you believe what Fedex tells you instead of the obvious (the box in front of you WITH YOUR NEGHBOR'S NAME ON IT) I'm going to have them call you and tell you to jump off a bridge so we'll be gone of one the world's @ssholes!

Time for you to get back on the shortbus because you just got schooled.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #101, 10-18-2006 11:07 PM
      You know what Edwina. This can go back and forth forever so I am going to be the "man" and help you pull your panties out your ass.
No matter what transpired from the 4th (day I paid you) to the 25th (day packaged arrived) these undissputable facts still remain.

Fact 1: I paid you on the 4th.
Fact 2: I received it on the 25th.
Fact 3: It took you 3 weeks to get my mirror to me.
Fact 4: You waited 8 days after you returned from vacation, on the 12th as you claim, (giving you the benifit of the doubt) to ship the mirror. Thats piss poor business management!
Fact 5: I had dropped the whole matter and broke off all contact with you for the past 3+ months.
Fact 6: You came in here (my build thread) and started your SH!T.
Fact 7: Your an A$$hole

Now that that is said and done I am going to do the unthinkable. Seeing how now I have grown to detest Edwina (I used to just dislike her) I am going to make an offer here. I really can't bring myself to put this mirror into my car cause it will just stink it up with Edwina stench...soooo the first person to PM me (Edwina excluded) asking for my paypal address I will sell them this stinky mirror for $60.00 shipped (USA ONLY). Shipping will be with UPS!

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-18-2006).]

Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #102, 10-19-2006 12:23 AM
      Ed, you were a bit slow sending the mirror. Jimmy, you were a bit impatient. Can't this arguement end here? It's getting boring and is totally off topic. Ed, it's over. Jimmy, please ignore him and keep us posted on the 3800. Thanks.



Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #103, 10-19-2006 12:25 AM
      Actually, it would be nice if you got out of Fieros alltogether seeing you stink up the community just by owning one. This whole thread YOU started is about YOU having YOUR panties in a bunch you jack@ss.

Fact 1: I paid you on the 4th.

(Yes, no one said otherwise. Not the point)

Fact 2: I received it on the 25th.

(Not disputed either)

Fact 3: It took you 3 weeks to get my mirror to me.

(No, one week to get to Fedex. Once again I was not there to get it out)

Fact 4: You waited 8 days after you returned from vacation, on the 12th as you claim,

(giving you the benifit of the doubt) to ship the mirror. Thats piss poor business management!

(I already apologized to you in July and I don't think that is long time for buying off of the internet)

Fact 5: I had dropped the whole matter and broke off all contact with you for the past 3+ months.

(Nope not true)

Fact 6: You came in here (my build thread) and started your SH!T.

(Pertains to the above as well: You started a thread on me in which I did not bother going into just to keep from arguing: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/060767.html
Then I saw you implied to me here. There is only one person selling these on this forum! You ruined your own thread. Don't talk down about me and I won't bother any of your threads. That should be simple enough (hopefully) for you.

Fact 7: Your an A$$hole

(I don't think so Jim. I will find other threads for you in which it shows your true colors and you threatening people "mister going postal".) All you ever did was accuse me of having the wrong address on the package. Apparently I didn't as your picture shows Fedex did.

I will be the MAN here and will leave your shambled thread. There is no point arguing as the facts were laid down and you just proved how much of a d!ck you really are.


Fieroeddie (fieroeddie@sbcglobal.net) MSG #104, 10-19-2006 12:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dirty Harry:

Ed, you were a bit slow sending the mirror. Jimmy, you were a bit impatient. Can't this arguement end here? It's getting boring and is totally off topic. Ed, it's over. Jimmy, please ignore him and keep us posted on the 3800. Thanks.




I didn't want to interrupt the thread until I was implied. I apologize to the PFF community for the disruption. And I will no longer post as long as Jimmy doesn't drag me in.


RotrexFiero MSG #105, 10-19-2006 08:26 PM
      So what happened to the 3800 Install? (I think we settled the mirror situation.)


Brimmy (brimcam@sfcn.org) MSG #106, 10-20-2006 04:39 PM
      JimmyS,

Whats Status with Fiero & JR ????


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #107, 10-20-2006 05:13 PM
      Ok here is the latest...
1st - here is a pic showing the difference between the old tie rods and the tie rods that the Fiero Store sent. The replacement tie rods should have arrived at JR's today.



2nd - JR didn't get anywhere near as far as he said he would. These are the latest pics he sent me this morning at 3:50am







I talked to JR today and told him that I am coming up there Saturday (tomorrow) with Gary (pff name GKDINC), who was nice enough to volunteer to help, to get this car done. I do not know how far JR got today or will get by the time we get up there tomorrow but the goal for tomorrow is to get everything complete except the exhaust. Monday morning JR will take the car to Tampa to have the exhaust done and hopefully I will have the car back by Monday or Tuesday night.

I will give an update either tomorrow night or Sunday sometime. It depends on how tired I am when I get home tomorrow night. The plan is to pick Gary up at his place around 9ish tomorrow morning and to be at JR's around noonish.

Edit for spelling.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-20-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 10-20-2006 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

Now that that is said and done I am going to do the unthinkable. Seeing how now I have grown to detest Edwina (I used to just dislike her) I am going to make an offer here. I really can't bring myself to put this mirror into my car cause it will just stink it up with Edwina stench...soooo the first person to PM me (Edwina excluded) asking for my paypal address I will sell them this stinky mirror for $60.00 shipped (USA ONLY). Shipping will be with UPS!



Sold! Thank you daniel87fierogt. Last night daniel87fierogt sent me a paypal payment of $60.00 and I shipped the mirror out to him this morning VIA UPS. Thats the way transactions "should" go.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #109, 10-22-2006 11:35 AM
      OK well Gary and I got to JR's about 12:15pm Saturday. I was very dissapointed in the amount of progress made since Tuesday when I was up there. There was very little progress made.

Here are the pics I took when I was up there Tuesday.

Engine compartment cleaned and painted.



The battery area after sandblasting and re-painting.


Gas tank out with new fuel pump installed.


All engine compartment wires with new sheathing.


JR working on the wire harness.



Continued in next post...


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 10-22-2006 11:43 AM
      Here are the pics that JR took with my camera from Tuesday (after I left) to Saturday (when Gary and I got there).

Canister holder mounted.


Gas tank installed.


New battery tray installed.


Motor and wire harness.


Continued in next post...

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-22-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #111, 10-22-2006 01:51 PM
      carolinajoe had PMed me saying that I should have gotten a pic of me in the engine bay. Since the engine was not in the car yet I had Gary take the pic.



Here are the replacement tie rods from the Fiero Store.


Here are the custom made Axles. JR says that are rated for up to 450HP


Here are the new coil overs assembled and ready to install.



More to come. Stay tuned...




JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #112, 10-22-2006 02:12 PM
      Now it was time to finally get the motor into the engine bay where it belongs.

Here are pics of the first test fitting.


















When putting the motor in we came upon a problem. The pulley on the alternator was hitting the strut tower on the passenger side. When I was up there Tuesday and JR was working on the wire harness I made a comment to him that the motor appeared to be sitting cockeyed on the cradle. He said it was just an optical illusion and that it was straight. Now that the motor was going in it is apparant that I was right. We had to remove the motor and remove the right side motor mount. We had to fabricate a new mount to push the right side of the motor toward the fire wall. Took about an hour and a half to remake the motor mount. Once that was done we were ready to try and fit the motor in again.

More to follow...

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 10-22-2006 02:25 PM
      Success! Motor is mounted in it's final resting spot and ready for the connections of hoses and wires.







Pics of hoses being connected.





Pic of the first wire connection to be made after motor was mounted. Coil pack installed and plugged in.



Just a pic of the coolant fill cap.



More to come...

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-22-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #114, 10-22-2006 03:00 PM
      JR took a couple pics of me sandblasting a couple small part to be painted before install.





Pic of the first A-Arm to ge installed (drivers side).



Pic of the first drive axle to get installed (drivers side).



Pics of the first coil over to get installed (drivers side).







Now onto the passenger side A-Arm.



At this point I realized it was now 7:20pm and decided it was time to go.
I took a couple of quick pics of some other things that are going onto the car.

K & N Filter



MSD Wires.



Last but not least. Moroso plug wire clips.



Gary and I left at 7:30pm. I dropped Gary off at his place at 10:30pm and I made it home to my place at 11:25pm I went to bed exhausted from the long day. Even though we did not get as far as I wanted to get, we still got a lot done. If JR had made more progress duing the week we probably could have started the car for the first time. JR says I should have the car back sometime this week providing he doesn't run into any wire problems.

I owe a big thanks to Gary for helping out, It is appreciated more than I could ever say.

Thanks Gary!


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #115, 10-22-2006 03:54 PM
      Looks good so far. Are you going to have an upper mount (dogbone).

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #116, 10-22-2006 04:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by topcat:

Looks good so far. Are you going to have an upper mount (dogbone).


Thanks. Yes there will be an upper dogbone. It will be the new poly dogbone from the fiero Store slightly modified to work with this install.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-22-2006).]

GKDINC MSG #117, 10-22-2006 08:49 PM
      Jim, it was a good learming experience getting to help out JR with the swap. Getting to work with someone that does this as a business, is not something everyone gets to do. I know alittle more about what it takes to do this swap.
We made some good progress and JR seems motivated to getting it done now!!
Someday I may need a hand on my next V-8 swap, you can come and help out
Maybe next weekend I will see the car in my driveway instead of 3 hours from here.
Have a good one
Gary


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #118, 10-23-2006 04:18 AM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by JimmyS:
K & N Filter


QUOTE]

Do yourself a favor and start looking for an intake tube that gets the filter out of the engine bay. That is KR ready to happen and thats not a good thing at all. ZZP sells some 4 inch tubing that works great for making CAIs for the Fiero. Once the deaklid is on and that SC starts spinning, the engine bay gets very hot and saturates everything in it with heat. Besides that, everything seems to be coming together and will well be worth the wait once its running.



carolinajoe (groovieguy@gmail.com) MSG #119, 10-23-2006 05:04 AM
      Everything is looking Great, I love the color combinations.
I forgot to say thanks for the wiring diagrams, I will see if they are of use
at another time. The interior is the last thing for me to do.

That sandblasting looks alittle messy huh???
I keep saying I need to get a hood for mine


LookingForAFiero MSG #120, 10-23-2006 12:18 PM
      I hope you are not going to pay him the remainder of the $9,000 for the swap. From the looks of it you and your buddy have done most of the work, not to mention he was over-charging for the swap even if he did all the work himself. Furthermore, he has had the car MUCH longer than he should have to complete the swap. I move slow on car projects, but I think I could have probably had it done in less time than this joker.

Don't let the "buddy buddy" attitude fool you into paying the full $9,000-ish for the swap. He is ripping you off at the $4500 you paid him up-front.

At this point, I would drive down with your buddy early Saturday (10/28/06) morning and rent a hotel room for that night so you guys can work Saturday and Sunday to get the car DONE and out of that guy's shop. I had some backyard mechanic guy totally hose me on rebuilding the tranny for my 96 Cobra Mustang. He had it for 2+ months and gave it back to me and said he wouldn't fix it because I was too impatient. Took it to a REAL shop and it was done in 1 week. NEVER again will I trust a Backyard Mechanic for anything important, especially something like a 3800 SC swap. Get down there and get that car fixed and out of his shop. Document everything from the time you dropped it off until the time you got it out of there in case he tries to put a mechanic's lien on your car.

Good luck.



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #121, 10-23-2006 02:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Do yourself a favor and start looking for an intake tube that gets the filter out of the engine bay. That is KR ready to happen and thats not a good thing at all. ZZP sells some 4 inch tubing that works great for making CAIs for the Fiero. Once the deaklid is on and that SC starts spinning, the engine bay gets very hot and saturates everything in it with heat. Besides that, everything seems to be coming together and will well be worth the wait once its running.


Thanks for the advice. I will definately look into that.


ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #122, 10-25-2006 11:07 PM
      I used the 4" intake hose from ZZP and moded the V6 filter housing by increasing the hose neck to 4" with 4" exhaust pipe and the same to the bottom of the housing. Im running a K&N filter.

my swap http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/071510.html



darkhorizon MSG #123, 10-28-2006 02:54 AM
      I love ohio's intake it is the coolest. I would be interested to scan your car and see how efficent the intake actually is.

darkhorizon MSG #124, 10-28-2006 03:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by LookingForAFiero:

I hope you are not going to pay him the remainder of the $9,000 for the swap. From the looks of it you and your buddy have done most of the work, not to mention he was over-charging for the swap even if he did all the work himself. Furthermore, he has had the car MUCH longer than he should have to complete the swap. I move slow on car projects, but I think I could have probably had it done in less time than this joker.

Don't let the "buddy buddy" attitude fool you into paying the full $9,000-ish for the swap. He is ripping you off at the $4500 you paid him up-front.

At this point, I would drive down with your buddy early Saturday (10/28/06) morning and rent a hotel room for that night so you guys can work Saturday and Sunday to get the car DONE and out of that guy's shop. I had some backyard mechanic guy totally hose me on rebuilding the tranny for my 96 Cobra Mustang. He had it for 2+ months and gave it back to me and said he wouldn't fix it because I was too impatient. Took it to a REAL shop and it was done in 1 week. NEVER again will I trust a Backyard Mechanic for anything important, especially something like a 3800 SC swap. Get down there and get that car fixed and out of his shop. Document everything from the time you dropped it off until the time you got it out of there in case he tries to put a mechanic's lien on your car.

Good luck.




I think this is a little harsh, as the 3800 swap is a perfect project for the advanced/experience backyard mechanics. It is very straightforward, and a very simple project in its core. It becomes more of an artistic thing after a point making things look nice and cleaning everything up. The biggest kicker with this guy is that he had a great reputation ect.

In my opinion, I would pay him by the hour, and make him document all of the work he did on it throughly, as a flatrate for this type of "artistic" project just doesnt make logical sense.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #125, 10-28-2006 06:20 AM
      Well I spoke to JR twice yesterday 10/27/06. 1st time was about noon and he told me that he was really close to the first start of the car and that there was a good possibilty I would get the car back Sunday 10/29/06. 2nd time was close to 10pm and he said he was going to try and start the car in just a bit. If everything went well then the car would go in for the exhaust work Saturday morning. 10/28/06.

I got a email from JR. at 3:11am this morning 10/28/06 and here is what he said.

James
Having problems with the C500 connector block will clean it and try
reconnecting again tomorrow morning.
Comming up won't help any.
JR

Something told me that the electrical part of the swap was going to be his next excuse.
I don't know what the C500 block is but I have a feeling it will be his excuse for at least the next 4 or 5 days.

When I was up there last Saturday with Gary, JR said I would have the car back this week. Well here it is 8 days later and no car. JR says that coming up won't help any but I think I will go up anyway. If there is nothing physically I can do to help, I will just sit and watch. At least if I am there I will know he will be working.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-28-2006).]

darkhorizon MSG #126, 10-28-2006 12:21 PM
      I have a small feeling that it isnt the connectors fault, as there is only 1 or maybe 2 wires in the c500 that would actually prevent the car from starting. all of the wires that acutally run through there control fans, tach, reverse lights, and there is a power wire that some people use, and the main starter turn on wire that runs to the trans, and then to the starter.

If he screwed up the way the starter is wired, then he is very lost, as it is the only extremely straight forward connection you make on the car. it is a like 8 gauge wire that runs to more 8 gauge wire, when the next biggest wire in the entire car is the battery cable, and the smallest is some 12 gauge engine wiring.

My swap worked prefectly the first time I touched the key (less the speedo and tach which I purpously left unhooked), and I just threw my wiring together.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #127, 10-28-2006 02:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:

I have a small feeling that it isnt the connectors fault, as there is only 1 or maybe 2 wires in the c500 that would actually prevent the car from starting. all of the wires that acutally run through there control fans, tach, reverse lights, and there is a power wire that some people use, and the main starter turn on wire that runs to the trans, and then to the starter.

If he screwed up the way the starter is wired, then he is very lost, as it is the only extremely straight forward connection you make on the car. it is a like 8 gauge wire that runs to more 8 gauge wire, when the next biggest wire in the entire car is the battery cable, and the smallest is some 12 gauge engine wiring.

My swap worked prefectly the first time I touched the key (less the speedo and tach which I purpously left unhooked), and I just threw my wiring together.


Well like I said. He is probably just making excuses up (playing on my lack of knowledge) to cover up for his lack of work. I don't know what kind of problem it is causing him. He told me that once he got to the point of starting the car it would depend on whether all the gauges and stuff worked as to whether he would get the car into the exhaust place today or not.


GKDINC MSG #128, 10-30-2006 04:01 PM
      What's up JR? That car running yet?
Gary
Bump


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #129, 10-30-2006 05:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

What's up JR? That car running yet?
Gary
Bump


I can answer that question. NO! I spoke to him about 2:30pm today and he said the car cranks but isn't starting. He says he is working on it and will hopefully get it to start today sometime. He also said that the oil pressure gauge should move just a tad when you try and start the car but it doesn't.

Well I have now missed "The Run to the Keys" and Fantasy Fest which was this past weekend. I want to go to Miami Sunday for a Chris Evert Pro-Celeb charity event but something tells me I am going to miss that too. I wonder if I will make the Fall Haul? Hell I have vacation planned to Ohio to spend the Christmas Holidays with Family and now that has me worried.

"I have had enough of this! FINISH MY DAMN CAR JR!"

Edit to add... It has been 9 days since Gary and I went up there and installed the motor and most of the suspension. Only reason I can see as to why it is not finished is JR has not worked on it much since then.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 10-30-2006).]

darkhorizon MSG #130, 10-30-2006 09:29 PM
      No reason the car shouldnt run, it does not require the stars to be aligned to do one of theses swaps.

I imagine he has no clue how to wire these cars, as it really is as simple as connecting pink to power, and black to ground.


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #131, 10-31-2006 10:53 AM
      He should of had that car started and running months ago! When I first cranked mine (And it did not crank on the first try ) It took me 15mins to figure out why it was not starting. After it started (only ran on 4cyls my first actual crank up), everything went quickly, It took me 10 more minutes to figure out why it ran on 4cyls, So 25mins for me to crank her up. And have it running.

BTW, This was my first 3800 sc 2 swap, This guy has done way more swaps then me, There should be 0 excusses from him. I wish I could of lived closer so I could tagged along with you guys, I would of had that sucker running long ago
All he has to do is check if the car is getting fuel and spark.
You can also verify connections with a volt meter a volt meter tells you alot


Then I used a OBD 2 code reader to verify the rest of the wiring , It took me a little over 3months to finish my swap and that's pulling the entire wireharness 3 times to get everything right and clean looking.


It would of took me only 1 1/2 months if I did not run out of funds halfway through the swap.

[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 10-31-2006).]

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #132, 10-31-2006 02:11 PM
      James,
I just wanted to let you know and everyone else that i got the mirror on Friday and thats the way transaction should go through everytime. I sent the paypal out and the package was sent out the day after i sent payment. It took about a week to go from florida to california via UPS Ground. So thank you for the great transaction and everyone else should do buisness the way you do it. Thanks Daniel


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 10-31-2006 04:23 PM
      Well I talked with JR again today. I'm sorry to say that there still is no good news to report. He said that he put my battery on charge overnight and when he tried to crank the car today it drained the battery immediately. He said he went and bought a new battery and it did the same thing. He said he was going to buy a new starter and hopefully that was the problem.

I am begging anyone that has clue about these swaps to give JR a call and brainstorm ideas as to the problems he is having.
His # is 352-461-3608 If he doesn't answer just leave a msg and let him know you want to help. Hopefully he will call you back.

Thank you in advance.


Daniel...Your welcome


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #134, 10-31-2006 05:00 PM
      Update. I called JR again about a half hr ago and left him a msg to call me. I just got off the phone with him and he said "It started". Now he says he has to put all the wiring back together cause he tore it all apart trying to figure out what was wrong. he says now that the car will go in for the exhaust either tomorrow or Thursday. I'll believe it when I "see" it.

darkhorizon MSG #135, 10-31-2006 05:35 PM
      at 7 I might call him and chat a bit, I am going to review the engine setup so you dont get stuck with a leaned out knocking piston shooting timebomb.

On second thought, the only thing left to talk about is exhaust and intake. Basicly, dont take the car untill he puts a real intake on it, and has at LEAST a 3 inch downpipe for the exhaust. I stress this more than anything, I garentee that you are greatly endangering your motor unless you do this. Make sure that 3 inch exhaust runs from your manifolds to the muffler, and no less than dual 2.5 or single 3 inch output from that. again I will say that THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, 3 INCH EXHAUST!!! I am almost positive he is going to try to skimp you here, as it is common practice to use 2.5 inch exhaust on stock motors, but you need anything and everything you can get when using the 3.4 pulley.

The 3.4 will be putting some great strain on the operating of your stock motor, so remember to run the absolute highest octane availible, 94 if it is availible will work well for you.

My swap was very simmilar to yours, and I ended up taking out a fairly significant amount of timing advance after adding in the 3.4 pulley (which means it was knocking some which means I was in danger of chipping/melting/destroying a piston). Think about making him scan/tune the car after he is done, as it is important for the longevity of the motor.

A fully true cold air intake near the stock fiero intake is also quite important, as I have found some extremely warm temperatures inside the engine comparatment, which directly induces knock and in turn a blown engine.

I have a feeling that you are very anxious to get ahold of this car the second it moves under its own power, and I highly suggest against that. Make him keep it for a while, and make him drive it so if anything breaks it is his fault and he has to fix it. The only reason I say this is because you paid an extreme amount of money up front like this, and it seems that it was a very flat rate, so make sure it is perfectly "broken in".

Some small things that initally happend after my swap include just about every fluid leak started after driving it for over 300 miles (heater core, trans cooler lines in like 7 places, small water pump problems, no oil leaks though). Some other things that I would be conserned about include a good alignment (4 wheel computer aligned), and even a full tank of the extreme high octane gas that i mentioned before.

One thing that he might get a bit upset at but would be a good idea, go and grab as much as the harness as you can, shake it around harshly and make sure it isnt near any moving parts, exhaust, or other warmer than normal engine parts. Also look to make sure all of his connections are good, if your lucky you might break a week connection and that would force him to fix it there and now instead of it coming apart later down the road.

I would call and discuss this all with him, but I think it might develop into a yell fest that I wouldnt want to happen, so if you could do/ask/suggest these things it may make for a better experience.

[This message has been edited by darkhorizon (edited 10-31-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 10-31-2006 05:50 PM
      darkhorizon....you have a PM and thank you sooooo much!

darkhorizon MSG #137, 10-31-2006 06:01 PM
      pm back

CoolBlue87GT (coolblue87gt@comcast.net) MSG #138, 10-31-2006 10:39 PM
      JimmyS , Glad to see progress ( slow, but progress ) Good news it started.

Will be good to see you reunited with your Fiero again !!

I think it's about time to get the guys together for a cruise one of these upcoming weekends.


GKDINC MSG #139, 11-02-2006 03:24 PM
      Well JR?? Any tracks leading to the muffler shop yet. Lets hear some news!
Gary


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #140, 11-02-2006 06:01 PM
      Well guess what? More excuses! Now the oil pressure gauge isn't working and he is trying to fix it. He is hopeing to get the car to the muffler shop tomorrow. I am hopeing to get my car back before I am too old to drive it. I'm no mechanic but I think after a day and a half even I could have figured out a oil pressure gauge by now.

Edit to add... At this rate it looks like I am going to miss The Fall Haul too!

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-02-2006).]

RotrexFiero MSG #141, 11-02-2006 07:27 PM
      JimmyS, this has got to be gnawing at you? I have been following this for sometime, and I keep saying how much longer can this go on. JR is a piece of work. Please make sure that you start documenting everything. In fact this thread has done a good job of that.

With all the problems that he is having how do you expect to get a car back that will be reliable? Sounds like you are running the risk of some break-downs, and fixing this and that.


darkhorizon MSG #142, 11-03-2006 03:00 PM
      I know for a fact I didnt spend this much time messing with wiring on my FIRST swap.

GKDINC MSG #143, 11-03-2006 07:01 PM
      Any new news Jim??
Good Luck
Gary


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #144, 11-03-2006 07:09 PM
      I have called JR 3 times today and he has not returned my call yet. From past experience that means he doesn't want to talk to me cause nothing got done.

Edit to add... tomorrow 11/4/06 is the 20 week mark. 5 friggin months!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-03-2006).]

Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #145, 11-03-2006 08:05 PM
      Jimmy you're not a mathematician. $4,000.00 earning 5.3% annually would earn $212.00 per year, $17.67 per month or $88.35 in five friggin months.

[This message has been edited by Dirty Harry (edited 11-03-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #146, 11-03-2006 08:28 PM
      Maybe I am wrong but isn't 10% of $4,000.00 $400.00? That would make 5% $200.00 right? Compounded monthly for 5 months is $1,000.00? I'm not arguing here just curious how my calculation is wrong?

Edit to add... Obviously now tha I think about it I am wrong. I just don't know how to calculate interest I guess.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-03-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #147, 11-04-2006 06:57 AM
      Received an email from JR at 12:17am this morning.
This is what it says

James
The passenger side exhaust is done the dr side will be done tomorrow.
I'll call you on the way to the closing tomorrow.
Will be before lunch as I have to be in clearwater at 12:00.
Then just some more pcm programming and some shifter adjusting.
Should be able to bring the car to you sunday evening.
JR


GKDINC MSG #148, 11-04-2006 09:31 AM
      If i did the math right, you are looking at about 34 hours.
Will he be driving it or towing?
Good Luck
Gary

[This message has been edited by GKDINC (edited 11-04-2006).]

RotrexFiero MSG #149, 11-04-2006 09:57 AM
      Interested if you have finalized payment, taking into consideration the fact he is overdue and required you help to complete. I can't expect he is expecting full payment.



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #150, 11-04-2006 12:22 PM
      Well he called me just a little after 11am today and said he should have everything done and the car DELIVERED to me around dark tomorrow. he will be driving down here to me and his wife will follow him and they will drive home together.

Payment has not been finalized yet. We will discuss tha tomorrow when and "IF" he makes it here.


GKDINC MSG #151, 11-04-2006 03:50 PM
      Think Positive!!
Gary


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #152, 11-04-2006 05:31 PM
      Just a workdof advice to you about taking the car so soon. If the car is just getting the exhaust finished that means he doesnt have very much drive time on the car. Which means there still could be many kinks to work out before this car is road worthy. Of the few 3800SC swaps I have done, none of them have ever came out perfect with no issues. Things can change over a period of miles once the PCM starts to learn the engine and driving habits. If you do take it back, be sure you take it easy on the car and please scan the car. If not you might end up with a 8K swap that didnt last over 2 months. Besides that, enjoy the car, you will love it with the 3800SC in it.

darkhorizon MSG #153, 11-05-2006 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Just a workdof advice to you about taking the car so soon. If the car is just getting the exhaust finished that means he doesnt have very much drive time on the car. Which means there still could be many kinks to work out before this car is road worthy. Of the few 3800SC swaps I have done, none of them have ever came out perfect with no issues. Things can change over a period of miles once the PCM starts to learn the engine and driving habits. If you do take it back, be sure you take it easy on the car and please scan the car. If not you might end up with a 8K swap that didnt last over 2 months. Besides that, enjoy the car, you will love it with the 3800SC in it.



My swap came out perfect.

I didnt do any advanced tuning, but with that 3.3 pulley on there, you are going to need to make sure that it isnt doing anything weird at all (remember kr = bad). Make sure he plays with the timing to the point where it will not knock under and circumstatnce, or just order the 3.5 and dont worry about it.

My trans lines went absoultly nuts on me today, and cost me most of my day in fixing them, so make sure you take a close look at them.

As far as intrest on 4000 would go in 5 months it looks somthing like this.

4000 compounded monthly at 5% is 5,129.73.

if you actually invested the money, look for a 2.5-2.7% rate. = 4,599.30

Basicly you need to haggle the fact that he didnt actually spend much on parts, even though he will say up and down that he did. If he paid more than 1000 for a longblock or more than 1000 on a trans, thats his problem.


Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #154, 11-05-2006 11:48 AM
      Jimmy, the problem with your figures in your post of 11-03 is that you are talking of earning 5% annually but you are adding 5% monthly. Your 5% example of $200.00 should be divided by 12 to get a monthly amount then multiplied by the number of months (5). Of course, it would be compound interest (interest on interest) but the amount won't be that much more in just five months. Hope this helps clear it up.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #155, 11-05-2006 11:52 AM
      Well it seems that JR's BS will never end. JR did "NOT" get the car back yesterday as he said he would. In fact, he just called me to tell me he was on his way to go pick it up now. His excuse for not getting the car back yesterday was this "closing" (don't ask me) lasted longer than he thought it would yesterday. This coming from a man who has told me repeatedly that he sleeps till 10ish - 11ish and works till late night.

He still has some work to do on the brakes (possible bleeding) as they do not operate as they should, he still needs to notch the underside of the decklid to clear the alternator right, he still has programing to do and the shifter adjustment to do.
Now JR claims that he drove the car to the exhaust place. He says it is about an hour and a half drive to there. Why would someone drive a car 60+ miles with no exhaust, programming not done, deck lid not fitting right, brakes not working properly and shifter adjustments to make? Then turn and drive it another 60+ miles back with only the exhaust done but still needing programming, deck lid not fitting right, brakes not working proprely and shifter adjustments still to make?

JR's weeks are actually months and his days are actually weeks! He also told me on the phone that he hopes to get me the car still tonight but can't guarantee it. In other words... No Jim it doesn't seem likely I will get you your car tonight like I said. In fact Jim, nothing I have said to you involving when I will get the car back to you has been straight forward. I knew all this time that I could not meet the numerous delivery times I have given you.

*A NOTE TO EVERYONE WHO READS THIS*
DO NOT FOR ANY REASON TAKE A CAR TO JR FOR WORK! I HAVE HEARD SO MUCH BULL SH!T FROM HIM THAT EVERYONE I KNOW IS DROWNING IN IT.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-05-2006).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #156, 11-05-2006 12:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dirty Harry:

Jimmy, the problem with your figures in your post of 11-03 is that you are talking of earning 5% annually but you are adding 5% monthly. Your 5% example of $200.00 should be divided by 12 to get a monthly amount then multiplied by the number of months (5). Of course, it would be compound interest (interest on interest) but the amount won't be that much more in just five months. Hope this helps clear it up.


I get it now! So actually my math was right but I did it monthly not yearly. Thanks for helping me to understand better.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #157, 11-05-2006 12:41 PM
      Here is a breakdown of the "extra" expenses that JR's BS has cost me...

A while back, I don't remember the thread name, I bought a 87 coupe from Coolblue87GT. I asked him not to put any posts on the forum that "I" bought the car cause I thought if JR new I had made arrangements with another car that it would just make him work even slower on getting mine done. NOW I JUST DON'T CARE! I basically had no choice but to buy another car cause work took back the truck I was using and told me that if I could not find my own way to work then to look for another job. " Thanks for putting me in that situation JR". I bought the coupe with the intention of driving it till I got my car back and then my girlfriend was going to buy it from me as she wants a Fiero badly. I bought the car for $900.00 and had to pay an aditional $212.00 for plates, title, registration and taxes. Then I had to spend another $250.00 on the car to get it running properly. New plugs, wires, fuel filter, air filter, pcv valve, oxygen sensor and temp sensor. then have had to pay an additional $28.00 per month on my insurance for the past 2 months.
I have made 7 trips up to JR's, 4 to check on the progress and 3 to actually help him work on the car. Each trip cost me around $40.00 in gas (give or take a $1 or $2) round trip. I used my girl friends car (volkswagon bug) in order to make the trips. The first trip (on a Sat.) where I actually worked on the car, I was there for 5 hours helping pull the motor. The second trip (on a Tues. left work at 10am.) to help on the car I was there for 7 hours. The third trip was with Gary and we were both there for 7 hours. Thats 19 hours I spent myself working on the car. I make $17.50 at my normal job so that comes to 19 hours of pay for a total of $332.50 Now if you want to add Gary's time in there too at the same rate thats $122.50 Mind you this does not include the 6 hour round trip drive for each of those days.

Total monetary expense do to JR lack of professionalism $2153.00

Non monetary expenses include...
Missing the run to the keys, missing fantasy fest and now missing the chance to meet Anna Kournikova today and the fact that every weekend has been a total bust for me for the past 5 months cause of expecting my car to be done each weekend so I could not make plans to do anything or have had to go up there to check on progress or to actually help.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #158, 11-05-2006 12:48 PM
      I would like to start a petition to have JR removed from the vendors list here on PFF so no other member here has to go through the same thing I have had to endure cause JR's name is in the vendors list.
Please sign...
JimmyS


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #159, 11-05-2006 12:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

JimmyS, this has got to be gnawing at you? I have been following this for sometime, and I keep saying how much longer can this go on. JR is a piece of work. Please make sure that you start documenting everything. In fact this thread has done a good job of that.


To asnwer your question... This whole deal has been like a cancer to my patience and emotions. I have kept all emails from JR and I back and forth and my attorney says he wouldn't stand a chance in court.


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #160, 11-05-2006 01:18 PM
      I am really sorry to hear about delay after delay with your car, and I am sure I'd probably feel about the same as you. Now after saying that I really think JR should have given you your money and car back before he even started on this venture. Or perhaps you should have insisted on a refund and the car back before he started it since it sat for a while before he even started on it.

JR had not posted in this thread to give his version of the story, so signing a petition to ban him as a vendor would be pretty one sided in my opinion. I am not a vendor, and I only work on my car (or friends cars at no charge) as a hobby. I do agree that if you are being paid for a service, then part of your job is to meet deadlines and contractural agreements within reason. But we all know that "stuff" happens at times.

Best of luck and I hope that once the car is done and back in your hands that you have the opportunity to enjoy it without having to reflect on the nightmare it was to get it completed.

Cheers~



darkhorizon MSG #161, 11-05-2006 01:37 PM
      I say sue him now, just so you dont have to pay him anything. Make it seem like you are "seizing" the car unfinished, but I think it might be close, at least close enough for PFF to help you finish it.

Just think if you spend 100 hours finishing it, your still making 40 bucks an hour.


Ponalum MSG #162, 11-05-2006 03:25 PM
      I agree with dark, take your car else where and don't pay him another cent. Just this summer I passed up buying a 3800SC Fiero with the following:

1985 GT w/98 GTP 3800SC Motor
127 000kms on body
Swapped 5spd Trans
Walbro 255lph
Ceneterforce Dual fiction clutch
EGR, PS, AC delete ( Fastfiero looking install, very clean)
Running ready to drive for $5500 CDN w/ wideband tuning.

I couldn't buy because I just bought a harley, anyone from alberta probably seen that one for sale out of Camrose. For what your paying, the service should be great. 2 weeks tops for completion. This guy can't claim to install swaps when he plain just don't have the time, thats whats going on here. "Comming up here wont help" That would of pissed me off. If your in florida, I would have taken it to FastFieros no questions asked.

I'm spending 10k on my swap and I'm doing it myself but I'm rebuilding every last thing the rear axel. I just picked up a rear axel out of an old 2m4, going to complete it and throw it into the first nice GT I find for a good price, then rebuild the front. I love fieros, I didn't think twice about selling my harley for the project, (laff) you can't drink beer on a harley.

Well anyways, good luck man, I hate to see this happen to a fellow fiero owner. Thats a nice one you got, its going to be sweet when its done.


QUESTION FOR DARK: Are you happy with the auto trans? I'm thinking going that route so I can build up for more power not have to worry about custom flywheel, burning clutches and manual blowing up. One axel is from the manual, drivers side..(i got that already rebuilt) and the other is made from the GTP drivers. Any shift adaptor required? I'm sure you could use use stock and just have 2 3 D N R or whatever ?Correct if im wrong. thanks man.


darkhorizon MSG #163, 11-05-2006 04:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ponalum:
QUESTION FOR DARK: Are you happy with the auto trans? I'm thinking going that route so I can build up for more power not have to worry about custom flywheel, burning clutches and manual blowing up. One axel is from the manual, drivers side..(i got that already rebuilt) and the other is made from the GTP drivers. Any shift adaptor required? I'm sure you could use use stock and just have 2 3 D N R or whatever ?Correct if im wrong. thanks man.


I am EXTREMELY happy with my trans!

This transmission is so great! The ability to screw with the shift pressures in the PCM is super fun, and very powerfull.

The shift link is backwards, and sorta screwy. It was fairly easy to hook up, reqiured some welding. There is a good picture of it on page 3 of my swap thread.

The axles were more or less really easy for me. I think I spent alot of time on them, but I only spent $15 total. Just look around my thread for stuff, I know there is some stuff there.

The only thing that has pissed me off about my swap at all is the fact these trans coolant lines are giving me a bunch of problems, breaking and blowing off ect.


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #164, 11-05-2006 07:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:


I am EXTREMELY happy with my trans!

This transmission is so great! The ability to screw with the shift pressures in the PCM is super fun, and very powerfull.

The shift link is backwards, and sorta screwy. It was fairly easy to hook up, reqiured some welding. There is a good picture of it on page 3 of my swap thread.

The axles were more or less really easy for me. I think I spent alot of time on them, but I only spent $15 total. Just look around my thread for stuff, I know there is some stuff there.

The only thing that has pissed me off about my swap at all is the fact these trans coolant lines are giving me a bunch of problems, breaking and blowing off ect.



Mine was doing that all the time till I did some good flaring Now it never blows off and this car is my daily driver (cheaper on gas ) My return line has transmission rubber hose going into alluminum tubing flared. My main feed line is all metal The alluminum tubing cost me 25bucks and works great.


The automatic transmission for these swaps are awsome, There is nothing like driving and flogging it and not having to worry about a clutch or transmission breaking.



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #165, 11-05-2006 08:01 PM
      I had not heard from JR so I called him at 7:15pm and left a message. He just returned my call and now there are more excuses. Apparently he has 2 sets of Exhaust tips and both sets are labeled wrong on the boxes. He claims that the boxes say 2 1/2 " and the tips are only 2 1/4". So the exhaust is NOT finished and it will be at least 3-4 days for replacement tips to come in. Also he has not fixed the brakes yet and still has tuning to do. I told him on the phone that he was going to make me miss another Fiero meet (Fall Haul) and his reply was... "Things happen and the car will be done when it's done". At that point I just hung up on him. I am going to the attorny's office tomorrow and telling him to proceed with the law suit. I am done F#$%%@^& around with this piece of SH&%T

RotrexFiero MSG #166, 11-05-2006 08:34 PM
      You need to get a trailer and get the car home. What's going to keep him from keeping the car, saying that you refused to pay?

ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #167, 11-05-2006 09:33 PM
      Ive been reading this thread and all I have to say is it sounds so unbelievable. What kind of tuning is left? is he doing the tuning? And the brakes? Good luck trying to sue. Do you have a contract with this guy? Does the contract state a completion date?

I think that the most disturbing thing about this transaction is that he has been promising dates and has not delivered. I guess that is the thing that bugs me.

Good luck. You will probably have to settle on a value on what he has done so far and get the car back as is. And have it finished yourself.

I hope you get it done so your plans on bringing it to Ohio works out but I doubt it will be done correctly enough to make it this far.

 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

I had not heard from JR so I called him at 7:15pm and left a message. He just returned my call and now there are more excuses. Apparently he has 2 sets of Exhaust tips and both sets are labeled wrong on the boxes. He claims that the boxes say 2 1/2 " and the tips are only 2 1/4". So the exhaust is NOT finished and it will be at least 3-4 days for replacement tips to come in. Also he has not fixed the brakes yet and still has tuning to do. I told him on the phone that he was going to make me miss another Fiero meet (Fall Haul) and his reply was... "Things happen and the car will be done when it's done". At that point I just hung up on him. I am going to the attorny's office tomorrow and telling him to proceed with the law suit. I am done F#$%%@^& around with this piece of SH&%T




Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #168, 11-06-2006 12:51 AM
      I'm afraid Floridas mechanics lien law will permit JR to hold the car until he is paid. Even if you sue, he can hold the car pending outcome unless you post a bond guaranteeing him payment. At this point, I think you would be wiser to let him finish the car without totally pissing him off. You do want it finished properly don't you?

Now that you have another Fiero you won't miss the Fall Haul. You'd be better off giving him another week to tweak it & get all the bugs out. Then try to get him to work with you on adjusting the price. Who knows, he may do that. If he doesn't, pay him and get the car. Then you can sue him for whatever you feel is due you. He has the leverage (your car) at this point. Do whatever you can to avoid having to sue. If you feel frustrated now, you can multiply it by ten once you start paying an attorney and dealing with a slow motion court system. Two hundred fifty dollars per hour adds up very quickly!



ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #169, 11-06-2006 08:47 AM
      Its kind of a catch 22. You want the car back now but you want it done correct. You may get it back at a later date and it still might have problems.
Doesnt JR do this type of work full time? Is this typical for hime to stall ( assuming he is stalling) or is just promising a completion date he cat make.

Ive only done one swap and it was mine. Ive been asked to do others but Im hesitant to do so. Mainly because of the time constraint of already having a full time job.



RotrexFiero MSG #170, 11-06-2006 09:11 AM
      I went thru something similar. It is best when something like this starts to get out as early, and quickly as possible.

If I were you, for the cost of a trailer or tow truck, go get the car and settle over the cost now. You will have some leverage with him, being he set a promise date and has not completed the work. If he has some honesty you can be fair over the work completed, despite he did not complete work promised in the original contract.



86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #171, 11-06-2006 11:02 AM
      I would go pickup the car as soon as you get a chance, Then finish the rest of it, There is alot of good info on this site that will help you through finishing it, If need be I will PM you my phone number and help you through the rest, If need be I will reserve a day off from work and drive down and help if you want. I even have the welding equipment to finish off your exhaust.


BTW I heard you mention the oil guage not working, When the car is started does it move 0 to 80 psi or does it not move at all? If it's not moving at all then there is a wiring error on his part.


I know how you feel and it sucks You have been patient and have shown great restraint , If it was me I don't know what I would of done. Him taking this long is BS, And I can tell that this guy does not even have the right tools for this swap and is outright lazy, If I was paid money to do someone swap I would do it like I was doing my own car, You paid him money for services, allowing this guy to take even longer is BS, taking 6months on that is crazy, Most good swappers will beable to do your exhaust and ect on there own and not need a exhaust shop to finish that.

You should of had PBJ, Loyde or Darth do your swap, These guys would of had you happy and would of took a heck of alot less time to complete.


Do not pay this guy the amount that you were going to pay, If he complains about a promised price, Just complain back about the promised time.

I might end up missing the fiero hall as well ( unfortunate fender bender) And it's causing me time to install my intercooler ect.

[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 11-06-2006).]

GKDINC MSG #172, 11-06-2006 03:03 PM
      It's time to start over kinda! Talk to JR about the final pay off for the completed project. Draw up some papers about a delivery date, and some penalties if not on time. The thing you want is the car back and running as promised. I believe he can do it, it's just a matter of having a real dead line that can cost him money if not completed.
I hope everyone learns that there needs to be real paper work at the beginning, Not a bunch of promises.
Hope things get better this week.
Gary


darkhorizon MSG #173, 11-06-2006 06:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ohio86se:

Ive been reading this thread and all I have to say is it sounds so unbelievable. What kind of tuning is left? is he doing the tuning? And the brakes? Good luck trying to sue. Do you have a contract with this guy? Does the contract state a completion date?

I think that the most disturbing thing about this transaction is that he has been promising dates and has not delivered. I guess that is the thing that bugs me.

Good luck. You will probably have to settle on a value on what he has done so far and get the car back as is. And have it finished yourself.

I hope you get it done so your plans on bringing it to Ohio works out but I doubt it will be done correctly enough to make it this far.




He has a tiny tiny pulley on there. it would take a mathmatian to get that thing tuned correctly, and it would take him many weeks and many more tanks of gas.


Ponalum MSG #174, 11-06-2006 08:00 PM
      Thanks Dark and Earl for your comments and suggestions.

Good luck Jimmy, the only thing your guilty of is trusting someone a little too much. But thats ok, whats done is done, it will work out good. The Fiero you have is clean and the motor swap looks good man.



ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #175, 11-06-2006 08:03 PM
      Wow!!!!!!!!!
You are kidding......right?

Weeks!!!!!!!!?

I hope not for Jim's sake.
No seriously. How much tunning is needed when going to a smaller pulley? Does OBD2 make automatic adjustments. Are we talking about additional fuel delivery? Timing?

 
quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:
He has a tiny tiny pulley on there. it would take a mathmatian to get that thing tuned correctly, and it would take him many weeks and many more tanks of gas.




darkhorizon MSG #176, 11-07-2006 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ohio86se:

Wow!!!!!!!!!
You are kidding......right?

Weeks!!!!!!!!?

I hope not for Jim's sake.
No seriously. How much tunning is needed when going to a smaller pulley? Does OBD2 make automatic adjustments. Are we talking about additional fuel delivery? Timing?




He will have to richen up the fuel curves a little bit, so that it will help cool the burn in the cylinder. That requires a few speed density tunes to be done accurately and correctly. Asuming that the extra fuel doesnt cure all of his knock, which it shouldnt, he will then proceed dropping the timing down upwards of 4 degrees to kill that knock. Any miss calculations in the intake, or exhaust tubing could also add onto more difficulty tuning.

In the end, with the increased fueling, and the retarded timing, the MPG will be effected SIGNIFICANTLY and he will actually be seeing a quite noticible decrease in full power band horsepower due to the timing retard (10-15 across the whole curve) compared to a car that was modded enough to run a 3.3 pulley on native programming.

I also wanted to add the fact that it the obd2 pcm is very smart, and it averages out ALOT of data over time, so most of the tuning that was done will just be extremely skewed over time because he wasnt able to give the car a good time to run and collect data.

[This message has been edited by darkhorizon (edited 11-07-2006).]

GKDINC MSG #177, 11-07-2006 06:25 PM
      So darkhorizon? Are you saying that the obd2 pcm is so smart that Jim can not let anyone else drive the car because of driving habits? Or am I missing something here? LMK
Thanks Gary


darkhorizon MSG #178, 11-07-2006 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

So darkhorizon? Are you saying that the obd2 pcm is so smart that Jim can not let anyone else drive the car because of driving habits? Or am I missing something here? LMK
Thanks Gary


I am sorta lost as to what you mean here. Are you joking or attacking me or do I not understand your question?


ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #179, 11-07-2006 08:40 PM
      You see Im running OBD1.Would you say that I dont have the flexability to make adjustments when doing engine mods?



MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #180, 11-07-2006 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ohio86se:

You see Im running OBD1.Would you say that I dont have the flexability to make adjustments when doing engine mods?

Yes you have the flexabilty but not like you would if you where running OBD2. There are so many parameters the PCM controls on the L-67, it is unreal. Every little thing like weather, gas grade, ect has a effect on the tuning on the setup. Most people that run OBD1 wiring run a flashed prom that is a one time thing and thats it. While it does run the car and you think it runs 100%, you would be suprised how off the tune might be once you start scanning all the parameters. If you ever start doing heavy MODs(cam, TB upgrade, injectors, ect) you will see that running it with just a burnt prom will be a nightmare. While the prom can be flashed to match the MODs you have added, without a real time run with in car tuning, it will never be right. I had my car tuned several months back before my dyno run, everything looked good(O2s, LTFTs, ect). Now that the weather has cooled of quite a bit my LTFTs are in the negatives now, which changes many other parameters. I am going back for another tune in a few weeks to get this corrected. I am planning on buying a tuner in the near future so I can make the changes when they are needed. Dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with running OBD1 but OBD2 is much more advanced and will get more out of a setup.




darkhorizon MSG #181, 11-08-2006 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Yes you have the flexabilty but not like you would if you where running OBD2. There are so many parameters the PCM controls on the L-67, it is unreal. Every little thing like weather, gas grade, ect has a effect on the tuning on the setup. Most people that run OBD1 wiring run a flashed prom that is a one time thing and thats it. While it does run the car and you think it runs 100%, you would be suprised how off the tune might be once you start scanning all the parameters. If you ever start doing heavy MODs(cam, TB upgrade, injectors, ect) you will see that running it with just a burnt prom will be a nightmare. While the prom can be flashed to match the MODs you have added, without a real time run with in car tuning, it will never be right. I had my car tuned several months back before my dyno run, everything looked good(O2s, LTFTs, ect). Now that the weather has cooled of quite a bit my LTFTs are in the negatives now, which changes many other parameters. I am going back for another tune in a few weeks to get this corrected. I am planning on buying a tuner in the near future so I can make the changes when they are needed. Dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with running OBD1 but OBD2 is much more advanced and will get more out of a setup.




Quite true. The fact is, its technicly possible to tune your car with either obd1 or 2, but the fact is none of the sub 9 second cars are still quite out of tune compared to a l67 right off the showroom floor. The idea of running obd2 is the fact that you can get your car quite close after few hundered hours of speed density calculations. As far as obd1 goes, I dont know if there are the same provisions for speed density as there is no maf sensor (at least a fully implemented one). If you spent the time tuning your car with obd1 that most people do with obd2 and have good results (lots of timing, accurate fueling through your RPM band) then thats great. the problem is, I have never looked at a obd1 S2 3800 that has had extensive tuning done to it (or saw dyno numbers)


ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #182, 11-08-2006 07:10 AM
      For fear of hijacking this thread I have started a new thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/078177.html



kitcarman (jr@kitcarman.com) MSG #183, 11-08-2006 02:23 PM
      And Now the Real Story.
Originally James wanted a 3.4 Crate engine and cam.
No problem a week long job once crate engine and cam and rockers arrived.
And something my helpers could do.
Basically a bolt in except for drilling the extra starter hole.
And yes it will get 220-230 HP
He said everybody (????) said that was way to high hp rating.
Then in 4 recordered messages in a paniced voice he wanted a 3800SC now.
So he changed to a 3800 SuperCharged motor.
Completely not understanding that the original 3.4 was an easy job,
and the 3800SC was not.
I said ok, even though I was now eating the $2,300.00 or so for the
cam and rockers and the GM crate engine.
I could use it for next 3.4 customer.
In the mean time he was 3rd in line for doing his car.
Needless to say he bullied his way into us doing it sooner.
(Probably his original plan as he delivered his car)
(before the GM crate motor arrived and we were ready for his job)
Now had to order an all new engine and parts.
I said it would be started when a 40rty was at paint.
Again, before his now expanded and more time consuming 3800SC engine job.
But his bullieing got me to work on his sooner.
*And yes "BULLINEING" is my interpertation of the events.*
I tried to work on 3 cars at once not a fun time.
Finally got rid of the 3800SC auto conversion from a 4spd 3800SC done.
That was about the point he got worse.
I have lost track of the numerous times I offered and finally BEGGED
him to take a FULL refund and go elsewhere, he has ALWAYS refused.
Now I've expended way to much money and time for a refund.
The Last time I BEGGED and PLEADED with him
and offered a FULL REFUND the front ball joints were done
and we had made and installed front grand am brakes.
All would have been done for FREE and I said I would deliver the car to
anywhere and anybody of his choice for doing the 3800SC swap.
James again REFUSED FULL REFUND and
FREE DELIVERY of his Car ANYWHERE.
I also offered him my 3/4 ton chevy van 5 or 6 times and also my dune buggy
for him to drive but he also refused those offers.
I on "HIS" recommendation even drove to port st lucie and bought a fiero
and got it titled and insured and licensed for him to drive .
(What James SAID he Wanted, alas another Futal attempt to make James happy)
The port lucie car did over heat when I hauled it down to him.
It would have been a simple fix by wiring the fan on always.
But now it sits here at the car farm.
87 gt V6 auto for sale if somebody wants it.
And me out $1960.00 MORE expended on his behalf. (car+insurance+tag+title)
Not including the time and gas all wasted trying to make James happy.
(which I now believe is probably not possible)

And yes he has helped work on his car but that is/was his choice.
And yes it was easy things that got done when he was here.
And yes it did help.
But in reality the engine got installed before it was Really Ready to go in,
because he came that day and wanted to see/make progress on his car.
So thatís what happened, trying to make the customer happy.

I don't use this forum much, usually unsucessfully trying to sell something.
But I have gotten 5 phone calls from friends so far that I am being sued
by a guy on the fiero forum, so after being asked to check it out.
Here is my post.
And no I haven't read all the negativity in all the posts just went to page 5
to see the part they were talking about.
*
Not really wanting to post here for all the Crap and e-mails it will
generate and people that can or have done it better and faster and cheeper.
I have posted anyway.
In case inquiring minds want to know it'll be months
before I might look and or post to this forum again.

PS: If wanted you'all can remove me
from this forum and it will be perfectly ok with me.
As I seem to have upset the Fiero Gods.
JR
*

Foto of Tips if it goes thru.
I have a total of 4 all 2.250 in 2.5 boxes.
Believe or Not YOUR Choice.
You can also call the factory in AZ as they are on backorder right now.
Also summit had to pull them from their shelves as they were boxed wrong too.
And they don't know when they will get them in the 2.5 size I need.
But I will make them from scratch if I have too.
JR
PS again: James also got for FREE aluminum dash overlays.
He was going to get a FREE evap core, but not now.
Also got FREE install of his new front end parts.



86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #184, 11-08-2006 03:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kitcarman:

And Now the Real Story.
Originally James wanted a 3.4 Crate engine and cam.
No problem a week long job once crate engine and cam and rockers arrived.
And something my helpers could do.
Basically a bolt in except for drilling the extra starter hole.
And yes it will get 220-230 HP
He said everybody (????) said that was way to high hp rating.
Then in 4 recordered messages in a paniced voice he wanted a 3800SC now.
So he changed to a 3800 SuperCharged motor.
Completely not understanding that the original 3.4 was an easy job,
and the 3800SC was not.
I said ok, even though I was now eating the $2,300.00 or so for the
cam and rockers and the GM crate engine.
I could use it for next 3.4 customer.
In the mean time he was 3rd in line for doing his car.
Needless to say he bullied his way into us doing it sooner.
(Probably his original plan as he delivered his car)
(before the GM crate motor arrived and we were ready for his job)
Now had to order an all new engine and parts.
I said it would be started when a 40rty was at paint.
Again, before his now expanded and more time consuming 3800SC engine job.
But his bullieing got me to work on his sooner.
*And yes "BULLINEING" is my interpertation of the events.*
I tried to work on 3 cars at once not a fun time.
Finally got rid of the 3800SC auto conversion from a 4spd 3800SC done.
That was about the point he got worse.
I have lost track of the numerous times I offered and finally BEGGED
him to take a FULL refund and go elsewhere, he has ALWAYS refused.
Now I've expended way to much money and time for a refund.
The Last time I BEGGED and PLEADED with him
and offered a FULL REFUND the front ball joints were done
and we had made and installed front grand am brakes.
All would have been done for FREE and I said I would deliver the car to
anywhere and anybody of his choice for doing the 3800SC swap.
James again REFUSED FULL REFUND and
FREE DELIVERY of his Car ANYWHERE.
I also offered him my 3/4 ton chevy van 5 or 6 times and also my dune buggy
for him to drive but he also refused those offers.
I on "HIS" recommendation even drove to port st lucie and bought a fiero
and got it titled and insured and licensed for him to drive .
(What James SAID he Wanted, alas another Futal attempt to make James happy)
The port lucie car did over heat when I hauled it down to him.
It would have been a simple fix by wiring the fan on always.
But now it sits here at the car farm.
87 gt V6 auto for sale if somebody wants it.
And me out $1960.00 MORE expended on his behalf. (car+insurance+tag+title)
Not including the time and gas all wasted trying to make James happy.
(which I now believe is probably not possible)

And yes he has helped work on his car but that is/was his choice.
And yes it was easy things that got done when he was here.
And yes it did help.
But in reality the engine got installed before it was Really Ready to go in,
because he came that day and wanted to see/make progress on his car.
So thatís what happened, trying to make the customer happy.

I don't use this forum much, usually unsucessfully trying to sell something.
But I have gotten 5 phone calls from friends so far that I am being sued
by a guy on the fiero forum, so after being asked to check it out.
Here is my post.
And no I haven't read all the negativity in all the posts just went to page 5
to see the part they were talking about.
*
Not really wanting to post here for all the Crap and e-mails it will
generate and people that can or have done it better and faster and cheeper.
I have posted anyway.
In case inquiring minds want to know it'll be months
before I might look and or post to this forum again.

PS: If wanted you'all can remove me
from this forum and it will be perfectly ok with me.
As I seem to have upset the Fiero Gods.
JR
*

Foto of Tips if it goes thru.
I have a total of 4 all 2.250 in 2.5 boxes.
Believe or Not YOUR Choice.
You can also call the factory in AZ as they are on backorder right now.
Also summit had to pull them from their shelves as they were boxed wrong too.
And they don't know when they will get them in the 2.5 size I need.
But I will make them from scratch if I have too.
JR
PS again: James also got for FREE aluminum dash overlays.
He was going to get a FREE evap core, but not now.
Also got FREE install of his new front end parts.


I really don't understand this, If you really wanted to make him happy, Why did you not have his car done ? 5 and a half months is way too long to take on a conversion, I have never done a 3800 sc 2 conversion and it took me 3 months, This is including making my own harness and everything, There is also Darkhorizon, This guy has never done a 3800 sc 2 conversion, AND HE HAD HIS DONE IN 3 weeks, He also did his own harness.

And the story about the exhaust tips I can't understand either, I can go out right now and get a pair of 2 1/2 inch exhaust tips. This guy paid you for services and a time frame, If you could not of had it done, Then why in the heck did you take the job ?
Im sorry to be a pain but alot of your story does not make sense.


darkhorizon MSG #185, 11-08-2006 06:26 PM
      I agree, that the things really do not add up.

Jimmy never cared so much for how long it took, he knew that it did not take long to do. The fact that you had 2 other cars you worked on in the last 5 months does not mean ANYTHING as a professional builder would have had all 3 cars taken care of in a months time, absolute tops. Also, you took the car to begin with, you took down a $4000 down payment of some sort which was dated almost 5 months from this week.

I slightly question the facts, as most of the things you said about giving back the car also do not hold any water in anyway. The simple fact was he agreed on a price, and you agreed on a delivery date (even if you just said a rough guess).

I was waiting for dash overlay plug when I was reading this. That has NO place in trying to counter a job like this taking as long as it has. And also why would you make any fuss about installing front end parts? I agree that is no "easy" job, but really quite a fair thing to expect when he is paying you more than what I could buy a like new car for.

I really have a hard time beliveing the whole story about you buying him a car and bringing it to him, that just seems like an EXTREME waste of time. While you were out screwing around with that, you could of easily gotten either the complete wiring harness done, or the motor completely swap prepped, which frankly, both of those jobs together make up about 80% of the time required to do a swap, the rest is just common stuff. Also, I would not want to mess with borrowing one of your vehcials in ANY situation, simply due to liability. I am not a very old or experienced person, but I have enough common sense than to get involved with "borrowing" cars.

The 3.4 crate would hardly ever make that horsepower, that is a complete dream no matter what cams you would ever put in there. The 3.4 on a good day makes 160 peak hp in a camaro, in a fiero it would be lucky to get near 145 due to intake and exhaust limits. adding on an extra 90 horsepower would require a 160% increase in power. I would expect with a full exhaust, custom truleo intake, to see about the camero hp, maybe a bit more. The cam/rockers might add about 12-15% but it would be STRICTLY higher rpm horsepower. So generously, lets say the setup stock motor makes 170 (yea right) and the cam adds 20% (just stupid to think a cam would add this much but meh) we get about 200. So being extremely generous with a very expensive build you MIGHT see 200 horsepower, so show me where you are pulling the extra power from?

Lastly, why did you buy the 3.4 before reciving a $4000 downpayment?


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #186, 11-08-2006 08:06 PM
      I have been holding back on saying this but I am sure others would agree. This whole issue should have never made it into this Thread, it just shows bad character on the buyers half. This issue should have been handled between the builder and the buyer one on one and should not have been brought out. No one on here knows the complete story behind what has went on between the two. We can only go by what others have said, which brings up to a one sided story. You can only assume the buyer is telling the truth but then again the builder has gave his side of the story. Of course since everyone has been reading only the buyers side, then thats who they are going to side with. Jsut from this Thread, you can see where the buyer had a simliar issue with another seller. From what the builder has said, it is possible that is how it all went down. Whos to really know but the two that are involved in the deal. I now alot of ppl on here have did there swaps in less time, blah, blah, blah, but everyone works at a differant pace. It almost seems like this Thead was made not as a build Thread but as a Thread to bash on the builder in attempt to speed things up. I am not taking either side on the matter, being I dont know either party involved, jsut stating how I see things.

RotrexFiero MSG #187, 11-08-2006 08:40 PM
      I agree with the above. A public forum is not place to air problems. But, with that being said, both parties should have been more cautious. One in deciding to take on a supposedly difficult customer, and also a purchaser who knew there were sure indications that work was not being done in a timely matter. What strikes me as strange is the customer actually coming to the shop and working on his own car. If I was the shop owner I would worry about liability. But, rest assured that would have been the breaking point for me, whether seller or buyer. It was bad relationship, and so the soap opera continues.

topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #188, 11-09-2006 12:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:


I really don't understand this, If you really wanted to make him happy, Why did you not have his car done ? 5 and a half months is way too long to take on a conversion, I have never done a 3800 sc 2 conversion and it took me 3 months, This is including making my own harness and everything, There is also Darkhorizon, This guy has never done a 3800 sc 2 conversion, AND HE HAD HIS DONE IN 3 weeks, He also did his own harness.

....

I think he explained it already. It started as the 3.4 swap which is a fast easy swap that his shop workers can do. When it changed to the SC3800 swap, he had to do it.... he also had to wait on the engine to arrive after the change.

As far as how fast others do the swap. I tend to agree with other comments. Just because someone took 3 weeks to do it, does not make it the standard for all swaps. Or does it? If I took my car to someone for the conversion and they had it done in three weeks, I'd wonder about the quality and workmanship of thier work... unless they have a well established reputation for doing great work in three weeks.

[This message has been edited by topcat (edited 11-09-2006).]

darkhorizon MSG #189, 11-09-2006 02:25 AM
      I admit, that I didnt do the quality of work, that he did or will do, in 3 weeks, but I would expect that because I never did any of this swap before.

I know loyde, who is known to do very quailty and good looking work, on a few occations has done swaps from start to finish in less than 7 days (IIRC, he had it picked up then delivered some 500 miles away in this time too). I think that fieroflyer and PBJ would both admit that this job could of easily been done in a month my amatures. The simple idea is the fact that the builder was getting paid to do a profesional job, and not somthing a weekend warrior would do in his free time that most of us home made 3800 swapers do. And the fact is, any weekend warrior type builder here on this fourm would easily admit that they didnt spend anywhere near even 4 months on their project, and they only get to work on it 2 days a week, instead of 7!


Darth Fiero (sinister1880@gmail.com) MSG #190, 11-09-2006 03:34 PM
      I don't have a dog in this fight so I am not going to comment on this battle; but I would like to comment on the subject matter of engine swaps since I do them...

If I had every part needed to do a swap already made and sitting on a shelf, I could easily do a top-class, show-winning swap within 1 week. Yes, it can be done. But that isn't how I operate. Call it different strokes for different folks if you will, but I have found that every customer doesn't want the exact same swap with the exact same options as the next guy. Therefore I have decided to make my OWN parts used in every swap I do, unless of course the customer specifies otherwise. Every harness is custom made to each specific application, which takes time. I don't have harnesses sitting on a shelf ready to be installed. Why? I don't have time to devote to just making harnesses. My shop schedule is so backed up I really don't even have the time to post to this thread!

So for people to say it should only take X amount of time to do a swap and that swap should only cost X amount of money has no idea what they are talking about. I have seen $2000 swaps before and they are far from a show car looking swap. I have also seen people do a swap in a relatively short period of time using 3rd party parts and they also don't tend to turn out looking very good. Hell, I put all of the swaps I do thru at least 1 week or more of just testing/driving before I will let it leave the shop! That's in addition to the time it took to do the swap itself!

The point I am trying to make here is you can't rush quality or custom work. Not everybody wants to use 3rd party swap mounts and parts because of one reason or another. My biggest reason for making my own mounts used in my swaps is because then I have 100% control over fit, finish, and quality of the finished product. I have seen the 3rd party mounts sold here on PFF by various people/vendors fail as well as have fitment issues; so why waste my time having to alter those pieces when I can just make my own that have been proven to work?? Not to mention the fact that NOT everybody wants poly mounts on these engines anyway. I have recently come up with a rubber mounting solution for my swaps that I consider to be bulletproof! That's right, poly mount durability without sacrificing the smoothness you would otherwise have to give up if you use poly mounts. ( these can be seen here: http://www.gmtuners.com/Customer/Kurts_GT/index.htm )

Also, I am the only person running two businesses. One is the engine swap business and the other is the custom chip/PCM tuning business. On top of that I help countless people per day FOR FREE by answering their automotive questions via email which takes quite a while to do in itself.

With that being said, I do think a person operating a swap business has a responsibility to set clear policies dealing with the way they work with their customers and what order they work on customer cars. I can tell you that my policy has always been first-come, first served on a scheduling basis. I don't allow people on my schedule to "cut in line" in front of other people nor do I have the room to work on two swaps at the same time. Perhaps some day when I am ready to hire help out in the shop I can take on more than one job at a time. But I am not there yet. Even when I do get to that point I can assure you that nobody is going to cut in line in front of somebody else, except concerning my personal family emergencies.

In closing, I think people in the Fiero community need to realize that you can't rush quality or custom work. An engine swap for a Fiero is a big investment for most people so you should get what you are paying for. I also believe the customer should expect the project to be completed in a reasonable amount of time but not at the expense of the quality of work they are paying for. I also think the person doing the swap should be truthful to the customer and not allow themselves to get put into positions that can cause problems like what you have seen occur in this thread...

Think of it this way.... What's more important; getting the swap done hastily to make a car show or meet that comes around every year, or having the work done right the first time?

Again, I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know all of the facts of the subject matter that is being discussed/argued in this thread so I am not commenting on it, specifically. But I did want to offer my view on engine swaps in general so people in the Fiero community don't get a false impression about what one could expect when having a swap done by someone else. Again, a swap should be considered an investment, and you should get a good return on your investment. But expect to get what you pay for as well...

-ryan



86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #191, 11-09-2006 05:36 PM
      Ok lets drop the time limit stuff, If you read this guys post there's alot of flaky weird info in what he had posted and after reading it several times, There is alot of things in his post that still don't add up.

He mentions something about having a helper, Why in the heck was none of these helpers in this thread? The only helpers I seen was the customer himself and his friend.

He mentions the 3.4 pushrod engine having that much hp, Hmmm we all know better then that.

He says he's going to eat the $2000 grand on the engine, Then says he's going to end up putting it in someone elses car, That is not eating the 2 grand then. And there is a thing called a refund or canceled order.

You say you pleaded to give him a return, if I seen my car sit there untouched after paying my money, I would of took your first offer at a refund, Im sure he would to.

You said you offered him a Dune Buggy ????????? Im not going to comment on this because that is just plain sad.

ok you say you brought a fiero for jimmy to drive and paid 2k for this, This is a waste of time in my opinion

You say he came and helped do the easy part, HE HELPED PULL THE OLD ENGINE AND PUT THE NEW ONE IN !! I do not call that easy.

Why in the heck are you saying it will be ok to remove you from this forum, Sounds kinda like your amiting guilt or something, If I posted something defending myself and knew Im right, I sure in the heck would not say it would be fine to remove me.
Yes I know there are 2 sides of the story to every case, But Kitcarmans side just don't add up


Now about the quaility work in swaps (like mentioned above) I have a build thread on this forum somewhere, And I certaintly did not cut any corners when it came to buying certain parts for my swap, My swap was also a very cleanly done swap, I also made my own mounts (my car uses a 5 point mounting system 2 transmission mounts 2 engine mounts and a dogbone mount) And most importantly, My car is dependable. In fact when doing work on my fiero (I love my fiero) Im very anal at getting something just perfect.

[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 11-09-2006).]

Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #192, 11-09-2006 08:39 PM
      Why hasn't Jimmy posted in four days? Is he composing a huge reply or busy with his attorney?

Dirty Harry (harry@roederindustries.com) MSG #193, 11-09-2006 08:42 PM
      Damn.

Thought I would own page six with previous post..

Never

can

judge

that

right,



Dragon (dragon@spacecoastfieros.com) MSG #194, 11-09-2006 10:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dirty Harry:

Why hasn't Jimmy posted in four days? Is he composing a huge reply or busy with his attorney?


I'm sure that Jimmy

will post something

when the time is appropriate



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #195, 11-10-2006 01:27 PM
      I am at work so this post is going to be short.

The car is back into my possession and is NOT complete but at least I have it back.

Later when I have the time to post more you will understand why I have not posted since Sunday evening.



alex de jorge (draco24433@gmail.com) MSG #196, 11-10-2006 04:04 PM
      Glad to see you have it back. I hope there isn't too much you have to do to get it running and enjoying it. Keep us posted!

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #197, 11-12-2006 06:52 PM
      JR was paid $3,500.00 upon delivery of the car. That makes total payment to him for the sum of $8,000.00 for a uncompleted job.
OK here is what I found upon return of the car Thursday night.




















This was not broke when I took him the car.


Heater core was not connected as he claimed if was in a email he sent to me.



This is what was found in my trunk compartment.
This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.

This is what was found in a box on my front seat.


More to follow...


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #198, 11-12-2006 07:58 PM
      First off let me start by saying that those of you who think this is a one sided story... I have kept all of JR's emails and I have 3 different wittnesses on 3 different occassions to back up everything I claim.
Next on to JR's post...

JR...And Now the Real Story.
Originally James wanted a 3.4 Crate engine and cam.

Me...I said that in the very first post starting this thread.

JR...No problem a week long job once crate engine and cam and rockers arrived.
And something my helpers could do.
Basically a bolt in except for drilling the extra starter hole.
And yes it will get 220-230 HP

Me...I went to JR's on 7 different days thoughout the last 4 months and have taken 3 different people with me and never once did I or anyone else see any helpers. To this day I still have not met or seen these phantom helpers. And NO the car would not have 220-230HP!

JR...Then in 4 recordered messages in a paniced voice he wanted a 3800SC now.
So he changed to a 3800 SuperCharged motor.
Completely not understanding that the original 3.4 was an easy job,
and the 3800SC was not.
I said ok, even though I was now eating the $2,300.00 or so for the
cam and rockers and the GM crate engine.
I could use it for next 3.4 customer.

Me... It took 4 days to respond to my voicemail messages. I left 1 message per day till he called back. I even have my cell phone records to prove every call made to him and calls he made to me throughout this whole mess. I DID understand that it was a more difficult swap thats why in my first post on this thread I even said he told me that and that he would need a couple extra weeks. When I decided to switch motors he told me that it was no problem cause the crate motor hadn't come in yet and he would just cancel the order. I even told him that if it was a problem then he could just stick with the original plan of the 3.4. 7 times at JR's and this crate motor was nowhere to be seen.

JR...In the mean time he was 3rd in line for doing his car.

Me...When I first contacted JR about doing a swap it was 1 months prior to taking him the car and when first contact was made, I was third in line. After co-ordinating WITH him on a day to bring the car I took the car to him and the ONLY car ahead of me was the F40. The day the car was dropped off, the 3800 had already been ordered and he told me that by the time the 3800 would arrive that the F40 would be heading off to paint and he could start on my car. To this day the F40 STILL has not made it off to paint.

JR...Needless to say he bullied his way into us doing it sooner.
(Probably his original plan as he delivered his car)
(before the GM crate motor arrived and we were ready for his job)
Now had to order an all new engine and parts.
I said it would be started when a 40rty was at paint.
Again, before his now expanded and more time consuming 3800SC engine job.
But his bullieing got me to work on his sooner.
*And yes "BULLINEING" is my interpertation of the events.*

Me...Your damn right I got him to FINALLY work on my car after 3 months! That F40 was supposed to be into paint within 7-10 days of dropping my car off to him.

JR...Finally got rid of the 3800SC auto conversion from a 4spd 3800SC done.
That was about the point he got worse.

Me...That car got there about a month and a half after mine! Later on 1 of my days up there I asked him where it went and he said to me...The guy begged me to get it done so I did it for him. Damn right I got worse! You did his before mine even though I was about to loose my transportation that work let me use.

JR...I have lost track of the numerous times I offered and finally BEGGED
him to take a FULL refund and go elsewhere, he has ALWAYS refused.
Now I've expended way to much money and time for a refund.
The Last time I BEGGED and PLEADED with him
and offered a FULL REFUND the front ball joints were done
and we had made and installed front grand am brakes.
All would have been done for FREE and I said I would deliver the car to
anywhere and anybody of his choice for doing the 3800SC swap.
James again REFUSED FULL REFUND and
FREE DELIVERY of his Car ANYWHERE.

Me... JR offered a refund 1 time! 2 months after I dropped the car off to him. When I asked how long it would be till he could have it done and he said 2 weeks I told him to just go ahead and finish it. JR never offered to take the car anywhere! I told JR to his face that I had contacted a attorney and he needed to complete this car by such a date and I didn't care if he had to take the car to somone else and pay them to do it for him!

JR... I also offered him my 3/4 ton chevy van 5 or 6 times and also my dune buggy
for him to drive but he also refused those offers.

Me... He offered to bring me a dune buggy (with no top) with the VAN PLATES ON IT! I said NO WAY!

JR... on "HIS" recommendation even drove to port st lucie and bought a fiero
and got it titled and insured and licensed for him to drive .
(What James SAID he Wanted, alas another Futal attempt to make James happy)
The port lucie car did over heat when I hauled it down to him.
It would have been a simple fix by wiring the fan on always.
But now it sits here at the car farm.
87 gt V6 auto for sale if somebody wants it.
And me out $1960.00 MORE expended on his behalf. (car+insurance+tag+title)
Not including the time and gas all wasted trying to make James happy.
(which I now believe is probably not possible)

Me... JR made a comment to me on 1 of my visits up there that he wished he knew of someone selling a Fiero at a good price so he could have a loaner vehicle for his customers. I told him about 1 I had seen on autotrader.com for $1,200.00 which had a motor replacement done to it with a new motor that now had around 50,000 miles on it. He asked me to email him the persons contact info and I did so when I got home from his house. JR called this person (17yr old kid) and went over there and bought the car. 2 days later he towed the car down to me on a 2 wheel dolly for me to drive. When Jr got here the battery was dead and I had to use my jumper box to get it to start. My GF followed me the 4.7 miles in the Fiero to work so I could drop off my work truck. When she pulled into my work there was smoke pouring out of the right rear and out of the hood. I called JR right away to turn around and head back. I knew he couldn't have made it far away cause it was only about 10 mins since he had left. When he got to my work he said to me and my GF that he probably should have test driven the car before he bought it! My GF and I both blurted out..."You didn't even test drive the car"? He then took the POS back with him.

JR...PS again: James also got for FREE aluminum dash overlays.

Me...The Tuesday I was up there helping him I asked to see the dash overlays he had on his web sight. I told him that I was not a fan of alumn. overlays but was curious to see them and how they fit. He told me that he gave more of them away than he sold. He had 2 complete GT sets. While I was looking at them I got the idea of powder coating them and offered to buy a set and asked him how much he wanted for a set. He said I could have them for free cause he was just going to throw them away anyway.

JR...He was going to get a FREE evap core, but not now.
Also got FREE install of his new front end parts.

Me...FREE???? That was part of the extra $700.00 I was paying you!!!!!


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #199, 11-12-2006 08:56 PM
      Now on to more recent events...
After the comment from JR..."Things happen and the car will be done when its done" I knew I could not talk to him any further cause at that point I was boiling mad! My GF trying to be the voice of reason called him on Monday 11/6/06 and left him a message to call her. He returned her call Tuesday 11/07/06. She inquired as to whether we could have the car back in time for the Fall Haul. He told her that he spent the whole day Monday trying to find the exhaust tips and that he was currently on the way to pick up a set and that we will have the car back on Friday 11/10/06. At this point everything was calm and polite between the 2 of them. On tuesday evening she called and left him another message asking whether or not he got the exhaust tips. On Wednesday 11/8/06 afternoon he returned her call saying that they were not the right exhaust tips and he found a guy who was going to mail him the right exhaust tips. He then told her that they would be there the next day. He then told her he was going to work on the brakes since the tips wouldnt be there until Thursday. Then he told her that he wouldnt bring the car down until he got paid. She told him I would not pay for the car until I had it. He then told her that 4 people had called him and told him that I was suing him. She told him there was no way I could sue him cause he has bled me dry. I didnt have the money to sue him cause I had to go and buy another car to get around in since work would no longer let me use the work truck. He told her to bad, he went and spent $2000 on a car that I wouldnt drive. She told him that was his fault since he didnt even test drive it and it wasnt safe to be on the road. Then he got nasty with her and started yelling and cussing at her. She tried to stay nice and tell him that there was no reason for this, that she was just trying to get this done so everyone can go on with there lives but he started being even nastier to her telling her there way no way he was giving me the car without getting paid cause he "knows" I am suing him. She told him he would not get the money until I got the car and he told her that I owed him $4200 and that is with the discount he was giving me for it not being done.

At that point she called me to tell me what had just happened. Now I am beyond furious! I called him and got down right nasty telling him that he was F#$%^&G with the wrong person. He hung up on me. I called him back and left him a message to return my call. He called me back later that night and my first words were let me get some things straight! You told my GF that I owed you $4,200.00 and that was giving me a discount? He said yes. I said lets break this down... The agreement was for $8,500.00 and that included the extras? He said yes. I said that I had already paid $4,500.00 of that? He said yes. That leaves $4,000.00? He said yes. We added the coilovers at $126.00? He said more like $182.00! I said that he did not buy the coilovers I told him to get from where I told him to get them from (HTMotorsports) and that if he paid more for them then that was his problem! Now the balance is back up to $4,126.00? He said yes. We also added the front brake conversion for $200.00? He said yes. Now the balance is up to $4,326.00? He said yes. Now we subtract $86.00 that the hotel charged me when I cancelled my reservation for the Run To The Keys? He said yes. That leaves a balance of $4,240.00 He said yes. You told my GF that I owed you $4,200.00 and that was with a discount? He said yes. I said thanks for the $40.00 discount for all the trouble "YOU" have caused me!!!!!


darkhorizon MSG #200, 11-12-2006 11:17 PM
      Wow a stock GTP fusebox in a fiero, now I have seen everything....

Why somone would put an extra 5lbs of wires and a box in for a few extra fused circuts has to be clinicly insane. The fiero circut box worked fine for the 2.8, why not just use it for the 3.8 too?

Its just plain sad now that you have paid him so much money for even an incomplete car.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #201, 11-13-2006 05:10 PM
      Here are a couple samples of JR's handy work.

1st up is the trans shifter bracket. Nice work huh! Does anyone sell a bracket that will work properly?


Next up is the piece on the trans that the cable connects too. notice that he heated it then bent it down so the cable end would not hit the cross over pipe. Notice the plastic end of the cable is partially melted! Anyone sell a part to correct this?


And next is the throttle cable bracket. I'm no mechanic but I could swear that this is too much play in the cable? Also notice that the bracket will not support the cruise control. Anyone sell this bracket that will support the GTP cruise control?


RotrexFiero MSG #202, 11-13-2006 05:54 PM
      So you paid $8,000 dollars for a partially installed 3800sc that does not run....and now you have to pay more to someone else to have it completed properly?

That's just insane.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #203, 11-13-2006 06:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

So you paid $8,000 dollars for a partially installed 3800sc that does not run....and now you have to pay more to someone else to have it completed properly?

That's just insane.


Yes I paid $8,000 but the car does run. It starts and drives but none of the gauges work and the wiring needs to be completed along with the pcm programed.
I took the car Friday morning to the local exhaust place and they bled the brakes and now they work fine, did a full allignment (during the allignment they noticed that the left rear tire was wobbly so they tried to tighten the lug nuts but they were tight. They took the wheel off and found that the large nut that goes on the end of the drive shaft and holds the hub on had not been tightened down all the way. About 3/4" loose. They tightened it but the hub was still wobbly and then found that the hub bearing was shot so they replaced it), the also adjusted the coilovers to bring the ride height down. They said the rear ride height was about 3 inches higher than the front and they adjusted it down to level with the front. All to the tune of $472.59

Today I ordered the 3.5 pulley from The Pulley Boys for $81.50 shipped.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-13-2006).]

northeastfiero (carlgill@hotmail.com) MSG #204, 11-13-2006 07:43 PM
      I am sorry to hear that you have had so many problems with your install. What compounds thing even more is that you are having to spend even more money than anticipated to get tings done the way they should have been in the first place. Time wise I know how you feel I have been waiting a long time for Loyde to finish my engine, dates have come and gone and my poor car sits with it`s backside up in the air waiting for it`s heart transplant so it can live again.
Carl


RotrexFiero MSG #205, 11-13-2006 08:24 PM
      For $8,000 Dollars there are no exuses or reasons for poor, faulty work. It should have been delivered waxed and ready to race. Just my opinion though.

alex de jorge (draco24433@gmail.com) MSG #206, 11-13-2006 09:02 PM
      I agree with Northeastfiero. I am also sorry that you had to experience this. I hope that you'll be able to get everything going soon. Good luck.

speedracerfx (mmacb78498@aol.com) MSG #207, 11-13-2006 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

For $8,000 Dollars there are no exuses or reasons for poor, faulty work. It should have been delivered waxed and ready to race. Just my opinion though.



I agree.


Ponalum MSG #208, 11-13-2006 09:46 PM
      Those pictures make me want to puke. What an idiot.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #209, 11-13-2006 10:49 PM
     

Jimmy,

It may not help your wallet much, but it may help your heart to know your struggles will be a help to others who are about to embark on a simlair path.

When it comes to spending that kind of money, it seems nowadays you have to get things in writing, set specific reasonable time deadlines, tie it into their pay, and whatever else you have to do to insure a quality job.

Not saying you did or did not do any of these things but it just stresses how important such things are.

Best of luck.

Tony



RotrexFiero MSG #210, 11-13-2006 11:36 PM
      I agree with getting references and written assurances for work, but how many places are willing to put in this in writing and give a specific date. I mean even most reputable places will not assure anything, especially when it comes to custom work.

I think you are best asking around, and checking references.

It's a shame there is a large custom car market out there, and for those willing to do good and competent work you can make for yourself a good business. Simply doing good work can lead to more prosperity and success, but doing the opposite can lead to business suicide.

If you watch any of those motorcycle and car reality TV shows, they bust their butts to assure the customer gets what they want and that they get it on time. Customer relations are important. When you lose track of that you will lose your business. Customer are allowed to complain, especially when they are paying top dollar. They are allowed to change their mind, its their money. I think the botte line here is a man was paid money to complete work and never completed it. Thanks for warning us all where not to take our Fieros for custom work.


86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #211, 11-13-2006 11:40 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by JimmyS:

Here are a couple samples of JR's handy work.

1st up is the trans shifter bracket. Nice work huh! Does anyone sell a bracket that will work properly?


Next up is the piece on the trans that the cable connects too. notice that he heated it then bent it down so the cable end would not hit the cross over pipe. Notice the plastic end of the cable is partially melted! Anyone sell a part to correct this?


And next is the throttle cable bracket. I'm no mechanic but I could swear that this is too much play in the cable? Also notice that the bracket will not support the cruise control. Anyone sell this bracket that will support the GTP cruise control?


JR is a peice of work I tell you, That is just Lazy with a big fat capitol L.
For the money this guy charged and if he was that lazy, He should of purchased the already made bracket for the 4t65 HD,
Could of got the THrottle cable from the same place as well.
ZIP TIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #212, 11-14-2006 05:56 AM
      JR was paid all but $740.00. I have spent $554.09 of that money already to fix things on the car. That leaves me with $185.91. As you can tell there is a lot more to fix. The brackets will need to be purchased along with paying to have the computer programmed and the wiring still needs to be fixed. It really sucks that something that was a dream to me turned out to be such a nightmare. I really appreciate all the sympathy but right now what I need is help. Anyone that can donate a little time, a bracket that is needed, or some other small parts that are needed would be greatly appreciated. JR bled my funds dry and to be quite honest I just don't have the money to buy everything that is going to be needed to make this car right. I am not the type of person to ask for help or anything for free but right now just don't see any other option.

Edit to add... Anyone who can lend a little money ($10-$20) would also help. PM me and I will give you my paypal address. From some of the research I have done so far I will need to come up with approximately $500.00 to purchase the rest of the parts needed. I will keep a detailed list of who donates what and after the Christmas Holidays I will begin paying it back. I am not looking for handouts just small loans.

None of you really know me that well but if you did you would know how hard it was for me to just ask that from someone.

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-14-2006).]

darkhorizon MSG #213, 11-14-2006 01:33 PM
      I can make a bracket for the shifter.

In one picture I saw that you had the cruise clip availible next to the throttle cable clip on the bracket. as far as fixing the throttle cable, you can get a fix at the local parts store, its called like a throttle cable stopper or somthing, basicly it looks like a barrel with a screw in it, and there is a hole in the barrel that you put the cable through.

As far as gauges go, I can talk you through how to hook them up.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #214, 11-14-2006 06:00 PM
      Yes there is a place to connect the cruise control into but here is the problem. The cable isn't long enough to reach the pin that it is supposed to connect too.


ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #215, 11-14-2006 07:37 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by JimmyS:

Yes there is a place to connect the cruise control into but here is the problem. The cable isn't long enough to reach the pin that it is supposed to connect too.



Here is what I did for the cruise and throttle cable. No cutting or modifying of cables. Notice that I drilled out the lower rivet and put the bolt with the swage nut. It look like JR tryed on that but didnt quite get it. The cruise from a GTP




JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #216, 11-14-2006 07:58 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by ohio86se:
Here is what I did for the cruise and throttle cable. No cutting or modifying of cables. Notice that I drilled out the lower rivet and put the bolt with the swage nut. It look like JR tryed on that but didnt quite get it. The cruise from a GTP



If you look at your thottle bracket and the 1 that JR made you will see that your bracket is shorter which would explain why my cruise cable doesn't reach.
Is your bracket the stock 3800 bracket?
Is your cruise the GTP cruise or the stock Fiero cruise?

[This message has been edited by JimmyS (edited 11-14-2006).]

ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #217, 11-14-2006 08:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:


If you look at your thottle bracket and the 1 that JR made you will see that your bracket is shorter which would explain why my cruise cable doesn't reach.
Is your bracket the stock 3800 bracket?
Is your cruise the GTP cruise or the stock Fiero cruise?



My bracket is off of the GTP and the cruise is also off of the GTP



88White3.4GT MSG #218, 11-14-2006 09:04 PM
      ..my.. god... i'm sorry this happened to you.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #219, 11-14-2006 09:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by ohio86se:


My bracket is off of the GTP and the cruise is also off of the GTP



So I may be better off finding a GTP bracket and doing the same thing you did.

Anyone got a GTP bracket lying around they can part with?


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #220, 11-14-2006 09:52 PM
      I have started a new thread in the Technical section to help me complete this swap. Let this thread die.
Link here... http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/078336.html