'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project has Begun!
Topic started by: Boostdreamer, Date: 05-03-2013 05:53 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000138.html


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #1, 05-03-2013 05:53 PM
      A new body mod may be on the horizon. Jason CrazyDragn and I have decided to attempt to re-create the look of the Pontiac GTO nose from the '68-69 year cars for a Fiero. Terry 85SEnochie helped to put my idea into visual form on his Photoshop thread. He did several pics for me and these are my two favorites.





There has been a little bit of interest from several forum members who would like for this nose to be produced and made available. That may be far in the future but we at least are at a beginning.

Wish us luck and advice is welcome! We are not fiberglass experts so we'll take all the help we can get!




coady MSG #2, 05-03-2013 05:57 PM
      AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME
will put this one in the my favs section....


MarkS (mshucks2@earthlink.net) MSG #3, 05-03-2013 06:32 PM
      If you build it, they will come..



jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #4, 05-03-2013 09:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MarkS:

If you build it, they will come..


PRESENT!!!!


BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #5, 05-03-2013 09:07 PM
      This is sick!!!!



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #6, 05-03-2013 09:35 PM
      I have had this thought myself before. I like it. This looks Pontiac! I don''t care for the Fiero nose badge. An Pontiac arrow head from a G6 would go perfect there. This one is on my 88 coupe.



I have asked him to Photoshop me a white one on my white 88 coupe.

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Banshee (banshee@sunarise.net) MSG #7, 05-04-2013 01:21 AM
      Can we see the rest of the pics please.
Ok for a three time 68-69 GTO owner lets just say I WANT IT.

Are the plans to send it to a fiberglass builder like http://www.ovis.net/~dmkfiero/

Hey can the Photoshop guy throw a GT emblem in the grill like the GTO had GTO


Ry86GT MSG #8, 05-04-2013 09:44 AM
      Shut up and take my money.

Those pics are the only non-stock front ends that I absolutely love.


MarkS (mshucks2@earthlink.net) MSG #9, 05-04-2013 11:34 AM
      Yeah, my money too..

Also a former 68 GTO and 68 Firebird owner. The front end of the yellow one has elements of both the 68 GTO & Firebird to my eyes...

Sooo cool.

BR's,

Mark



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #10, 05-04-2013 12:13 PM
      I think that nose will look awesome on a non-aero notchback. An older Camaro style rear spoiler and classic GTO style tail lamps would round out the look. Throw in some 5-star mags, or torque-thrust wheels, and it would be perfect.

coady MSG #11, 05-04-2013 12:43 PM
      See guys I told you if you start it you would have no trouble selling these.
i just cant wait till you have a few made.
only trouble is now i am going to have to drive around with this stock nose knowing it is not what i want ...lol


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #12, 05-04-2013 12:49 PM
      CowsPatoot's white car from 85SEnochie's thread:


[This message has been edited by josef644 (edited 05-04-2013).]

Lou6t4gto (loubreslow@gmail.com) MSG #13, 05-04-2013 01:03 PM
      actually looks Better on the fiero than it did on the GTO !

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #14, 05-04-2013 01:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

CowsPatoot's white car from 85SEnochie's thread:






That was a render, WE ARE DOING THE REAL THING!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #15, 05-04-2013 02:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Banshee:

Are the plans to send it to a fiberglass builder like http://www.ovis.net/~dmkfiero/



Our plans currently are to see what our own hands can produce.

Thanks to everyone for all the positive comments!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #16, 05-04-2013 02:24 PM
      We are toying around with the idea of a Cuda front too:



StreetRod4 MSG #17, 05-04-2013 04:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:



I would love to see this version produced! It looks like it could have came from the factory that way


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #18, 05-04-2013 05:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by StreetRod4:


I would love to see this version produced! It looks like it could have came from the factory that way


Thats the Idea we are going with at the moment, however we are toying with a few ideas.
one idea is to have innerchangable front grills and offer a few different styles. again we are just in the beginning and we are looking for others thoughts before we get to the 'vents'.
We can make blank vents till we are sure.

anyways here is to everyone who wants to know what we are doing: We (BoostDreamer and I) will post pics periodically.
We are thinking of having the blinker behind the vents so that the turn signal can still be seen when on, but out of sight when not on.




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #19, 05-04-2013 07:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by StreetRod4:
I would love to see this version produced! It looks like it could have came from the factory that way


I voted for this "chin forward" design and CrazyDragn preferred the "forhead forward" look as seen on the yellow notchie.

Everyone, let us know which way you like best! Is it one way or no way or would either be fine?



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #20, 05-04-2013 07:23 PM
      Black car style

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #21, 05-04-2013 07:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:






I want this!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #22, 05-04-2013 07:33 PM
      It's going to be what you guys want as a whole, so let us here your voices and that is what we are going to do.
Boost, did you get my renders of the removable font grill designs?



coady MSG #23, 05-04-2013 07:37 PM
      my vote is now and has been ever since the first day i started pestering you guys to make it is the gto!!!!!!!!
how long do you guys think it will take to get this product out to us eager patrons? 6 months? 10 months? a year?


Dburger MSG #24, 05-04-2013 07:45 PM
      Will be following this thread.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #25, 05-04-2013 08:02 PM
      Our big discussion now is how will we do the insides of the two big cut-outs. The GTO had horizontal lines that I'm not crazy about. We kicked around the idea of louvers like the Barracuda.



We also thought of having the passenger side having FIERO GTO script and then make a blank space to the far right of the driver's side for mounting either a Fiero nose badge or a Pontiac Arrowhead, etc. We'll get to work on photoshops of this idea.

Another thing we're looking at is the possibliity of making a matching hood scoop as shown here:






MarkS (mshucks2@earthlink.net) MSG #26, 05-04-2013 08:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I voted for this "chin forward" design and CrazyDragn preferred the "forhead forward" look as seen on the yellow notchie.

Everyone, let us know which way you like best! Is it one way or no way or would either be fine?




Yellow; no question, but without Cuda grills

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 05-04-2013 08:19 PM
      Open for a Solstice style grill. TXGOOD here on PFF found a place on the net that sells the same metal material. Let folks put what they want in there.

coady MSG #28, 05-04-2013 08:40 PM
      i like both styles but something about the head forward that just keeps catching my eye...
i printed both and stuck them on the tv room wall (wife not hapy lol)


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #29, 05-04-2013 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Open for a Solstice style grill. TXGOOD here on PFF found a place on the net that sells the same metal material. Let folks put what they want in there.


We actually talked about different styles of honeycomb grills! I think the hexagons from the Solstice would be too large for this application but those like the 65 Mustang would work nicely. We have also talked about just making the grills open and offering different options for inserts.

Obviously we are more in the planning stage than production but we did work on the car yesterday. As CrazyDragn has shown, we did take the fascia and eggcrate off my Formula. We also bought a 4'x8'x2" piece of pink insulation foam board. We cut that up and attached it to the front of the car. We decided we were not satisfied with our starting point so we're pulling it all off and buying the two-part foam mix. We'll get all the pink foam off and make a cardboard enclosure to pour the mixed foam into. Once it is dry, we'll start carving.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #30, 05-04-2013 08:47 PM
      again toying around with some ideas - not the best photo



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #31, 05-04-2013 08:48 PM
      Another type of GTO grill. Here come Da Judge:


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #32, 05-04-2013 08:57 PM
      Of course I like the Judge, I prefer the empty look of those two big wide grills! Without the headlights showing, it gives the car a very wide look which makes it look very aggressive.




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #33, 05-04-2013 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Banshee:

Can we see the rest of the pics please.


The pics I posted are the final versions of the photoshops. They combine the elements of the previous ones. Both the yellow and black cars have the nose mod, each a little different, but they also both have the LED headlight door mod. The black fastback shows a "shorty" style fastback where it only extends halfway to the rear of the car. The black car is what I want my personal car to look like, paint scheme, body mods, and all.

The GTO photoshops began here:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/068738-40.html




CowsPatoot MSG #34, 05-04-2013 10:31 PM
      I am keeping an eye on this. I really like the bumper, but She Who Must Be Obeyed thinks it should remain a bumperpad. My photoshop was done in an attempt to convince her...and we decided to put off further discussion until we are prepping for paint. So...if this is not ready for purchase before the car is ready for paint, then I will lose.

I am more of a fan of the original yellow photoshop. The black one isn't too bad...but I like how the yellow one is so much shorter (will the original metal bumper fit under that?)

 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Our big discussion now is how will we do the insides of the two big cut-outs. The GTO had horizontal lines that I'm not crazy about. We kicked around the idea of louvers like the Barracuda.

The horizontal lines are critical to me...it is one of the things that screams "PONTIAC". Of course, that also means I vote against the Barracuda style louvers.

 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
We also thought of having the passenger side having FIERO GTO script and then make a blank space to the far right of the driver's side for mounting either a Fiero nose badge or a Pontiac Arrowhead, etc. We'll get to work on photoshops of this idea.

I think it would be far easier to add that lettering on an individual basis than to remove it. Being forced to buy one that has the "FIERO GTO" lettering in it would be a huge strike against it for me.

 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Another thing we're looking at is the possibliity of making a matching hood scoop as shown here:

As long as it is a completely separate part like the photoshop so that we could choose whether or not we want it on an individual basis, then I always support more choices in hood vents...but I think the bumper should be the primary concern (as you can probably tell, I don't care for the hood scoop).


Something that hasn't been mentioned....and is missing in all the photoshops (except mine)...I think it needs to be made to accept the front arrow shaped molding of the aero front bumpers. Again, it is easier to smooth that part out than to add it in...and I assume most people would want it.

One other point....I thought Jimmy S (FieroFiberglass) mentioned that they were working on one of these...you may want to verify whether or not you have competition before you put too much work into it. Of course, I would love to have the difficult decision of deciding who's I like better.

Just my opinion....it is worth about what you paid for it. Naturally, I want my car to look just like my photoshop.

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #35, 05-04-2013 11:12 PM
      We cannot guarantee completion of this project much less a time frame. I can't advise you to wait for it.

Yes the yellow one is shorter and that will be how we will do it. The black one is shown too long. I didn't see a need to ask Terry to shorten it. It gave me the needed visual aid. We are leaning toward having the lower part extend out further as a nod to another Pontiac, the Firebird from the 70's. I also think that this design will aid down force and add stability at higher speeds. The last thing our cars need is something that will lift the nose further.

We are leaving the front corrugated metal crash bar on the front and sculpting over it. It will remain in tact and be covered. The eggcrate will not be re-used. Maybe we can find a way to add some eggcrate-like strengthening supports inside the casting.

The grills can be done so many different ways that we might make them interchangeable and replaceable. That way you can have yours, your way. It will also mean that yours isn't like everybody else's.

The hood scoop section will ABSOLUTELY be a separate piece. We hope it will be desireable by itself or with the GTO nose.

We have already discussed the ends of the marker lights will be pointed and molded in just like on the GT Aero bumpers. It was supposed to be like that in the photoshops but there again, at the time, there was no need to make Terry do extra work for small details.

I have no knowledge of ANYONE working on a similar project. It is a free country and I don't own the design. I can't fault anyone for giving it a shot. In fact, I tried to get others to make it but no one ever showed interest.

I appreciate the interest and the details that you're concerned about! Keep the comments coming! Obviously, if this becomes a marketable product, we want it to be the best it can be!




CowsPatoot MSG #36, 05-05-2013 12:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
We cannot guarantee completion of this project much less a time frame. I can't advise you to wait for it.


I had no intentions of waiting. If we get to the point of bodywork and I can't buy this bumper, then my choice will be either to make it myself or stay with the bumperpad.


 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Yes the yellow one is shorter and that will be how we will do it. The black one is shown too long. I didn't see a need to ask Terry to shorten it. It gave me the needed visual aid. We are leaning toward having the lower part extend out further as a nod to another Pontiac, the Firebird from the 70's. I also think that this design will aid down force and add stability at higher speeds. The last thing our cars need is something that will lift the nose further.


Sounds great....my issue with the black one was the length, not the angle. If I could choose, I still think I would go with the yellow one....but I would still buy a shorter black one (I would not have purchased the long black one).


 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
The grills can be done so many different ways that we might make them interchangeable and replaceable. That way you can have yours, your way. It will also mean that yours isn't like everybody else's.


If I can't purchase the grills the way I want them, that simply means I have to make my own...doesn't change the value of the fiberglass parts. Even if you made them with the Barracuda style...it would still be easier for me to modify it to the way I want than to start from scratch.


 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
I appreciate the interest and the details that you're concerned about! Keep the comments coming! Obviously, if this becomes a marketable product, we want it to be the best it can be!


Sounds like the project is moving in a direction that would make me happy. I was actually planning to make one myself when I got to the bodywork stage of the convertible...and it would have been a shame not to make a mold. This keeps getting referred to as a GTO bumper....but it actually resembles the 67-68 Firebird much more. I have been keeping my eye out for a 67-68 Firebird bumper that I could take measurements from for verification...but it looked to me like I would be able to simply cut the front off the Formula style nose, blend the actual Firebird bumper into it, then use that for the plug (wouldn't trust blending the urethane and metal for actual use on the car....guaranteed to crack).


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #37, 05-05-2013 07:35 AM
      We were also talking about the option of putting the turn signal light behind the grills in the corners next to the fenders.
therefor they would only be seen when flashing.

As far as I know as well JimmyS is NOT working on these. I will call him monday to confirm though. Wouldn't matter anyways because we first started this for BoostDreamers personal car, we will just simply make a mold from that.

Keep up the ideas / opinions so we can make something that you would buy too.



Ang84Indy MSG #38, 05-05-2013 11:41 AM
      I'm keeping an eye on this... potential customer here.

Ram426 (richard@ohdclw.com) MSG #39, 05-05-2013 11:49 AM
      Love the yellow with the open grille, fricken awesome

Lou6t4gto (loubreslow@gmail.com) MSG #40, 05-05-2013 02:29 PM
      Like the Black "Chin forward".

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #41, 05-05-2013 06:08 PM
      Ok.
So here are the votes so far:
BLACK = 5
YELLOW = 4

You all need to vote for us, keep up the comments and the watches.
Next week sometime will be more appt to putting up more pics.................

"Friends don't let friends drive stock" (quote - can't remember who)



Dburger MSG #42, 05-05-2013 06:30 PM
      I vote yellow

Ry86GT MSG #43, 05-05-2013 06:55 PM
      Yellow for me

CowsPatoot MSG #44, 05-05-2013 08:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:
"Friends don't let friends drive stock" (quote - can't remember who)


That would be Madcurl. Woohoo....yellow is winning now, keep those yellow votes coming.


coady MSG #45, 05-05-2013 08:26 PM
      keep it up yellow!!!!!

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #46, 05-05-2013 08:41 PM
      Yellow for sure

no2pencil (jason@akroncdnr.com) MSG #47, 05-05-2013 08:42 PM
      My vote would be for yellow. However the likely hood of me buying one is like zero %. Just voicing my opinion of looks

It does look like an amazing project, & I would love to see this on a car!


KOS MSG #48, 05-05-2013 09:03 PM
      Has to be black!



Fierfly (sharons575@gmail.com) MSG #49, 05-05-2013 10:07 PM
      I vote yellow.

This is significant, because I am She who Must be Obeyed.

"Cowspatoot's white car" is actually MY car. And this yellow bumper looks pretty cool. Cool enough that its likely the only thing I would trade the bumper pad for.

So yeah. I vote yellow.



BassClefJeff MSG #50, 05-05-2013 10:11 PM
      I vote yellow. This project is fantastic. I really hope it becomes available. I saved these pictures from the first time you posted them.

BlackThunderGT MSG #51, 05-05-2013 10:37 PM
      I vote yellow

Ang84Indy MSG #52, 05-05-2013 11:25 PM
      My vote is for black.

fireboss (ericj@live.com) MSG #53, 05-05-2013 11:51 PM
      BLACK

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #54, 05-06-2013 01:26 PM
      I vote White. Reminds me of a 64 Goat my best friend had back in 1966.




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #55, 05-06-2013 01:46 PM
      Cool photoshop!




coady MSG #56, 05-06-2013 01:54 PM
      that one is pretty cool too!! no matter what one you choose to make i'm a winner cuz i luv em all !!!!!

TXGOOD MSG #57, 05-06-2013 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Open for a Solstice style grill. TXGOOD here on PFF found a place on the net that sells the same metal material. Let folks put what they want in there.


Yea, but if you get mesh make sure it`s powdercoat.
I made the mistake of getting anodized and before I repainted it my shiny Black mesh had turned Gold.
Anodizing has a Gold color undercoat and when the sun hits, it will fade the top color right off.

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #58, 05-06-2013 07:44 PM
      Terry made this one for us. What do you think?






MulletproofMonk MSG #59, 05-06-2013 08:03 PM
      Personally, I would like to see the Pontiac arrowhead on the front like on the 69 Firebird. I also like the PONTIAC on the grill. Just my opinion...



coady MSG #60, 05-06-2013 08:08 PM
      arrowhead should be center and a small pontiac or nothing at all on the grill.

n7vrz (dedgar@hughes.net) MSG #61, 05-06-2013 08:14 PM
      Move the headlights to flip-ups behind the outboard sides if the grill. Like the '69 (?) Camaro.
An black is my vote.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #62, 05-06-2013 08:21 PM
      Arrowhead in the center like this?:



Or like this?:





NetCam MSG #63, 05-06-2013 09:13 PM
      This is something that I could NOT keep myself from buying. I also had a '68 Firebird and love the look, brings back memories!

Ram426 (richard@ohdclw.com) MSG #64, 05-06-2013 09:26 PM
      Can you photo shop the 68 firebird or 71 trans am on one to Humor us plz, o)

coady MSG #65, 05-06-2013 09:33 PM
     


arrowhead like this


dinocaprio (dcaprio2001@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 05-06-2013 09:38 PM
      yellow

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #67, 05-06-2013 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ram426:

Can you photo shop the 68 firebird or 71 trans am on one to Humor us plz, o)


You'll have to ask Terry in General. He has the 50 page photoshop thread. You can't miss it.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #68, 05-07-2013 05:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:




arrowhead like this


I like how the front is on this one too. The bottom chin doesn't makelook as abrupt forward. It also seems to have a wider inside grill area. The wider inside grill area seems to be what make the yellow car favorable in my eyes. If we were able to make it wider with the bottom lip coming forward but not as sharp - that would be ideal I think.

Great photo



2.5 MSG #69, 05-07-2013 09:28 AM
     



How about with some variation of the 69 Judge Stripe.
"FIERO" in the grile in white text similar to "GTO"



As for what goes in the openings try thick honeycomb..

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #70, 05-07-2013 09:37 AM
      I like the side badging better than the stripe. What kind of decal/badge would look good? Placement?



2.5 MSG #71, 05-07-2013 11:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by n7vrz:

Move the headlights to flip-ups behind the outboard sides if the grill.


This would be sweet. But really if the grille is see thru you can put driving lights and parking lights behind the grille, it wont even have to move. Could keep factory lights too.

The Fiero PPG pacecars have their parking/turn signals behind the grille.

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2.5 MSG #72, 05-07-2013 11:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I like the side badging better than the stripe. What kind of decal/badge would look good? Placement?



What would have the decal say?
Is the Idea to make this a "Fiero GTO", or just inspired by it?
I'd tend to say keep it subtle, something in the grille and a custom decklid decal similar to stock.
Could put custom text on the door bottom like Formulas have...

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #73, 05-07-2013 12:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2.5:

What would have the decal say?
Is the Idea to make this a "Fiero GTO", or just inspired by it?
I'd tend to say keep it subtle, something in the grille and a custom decklid decal similar to stock.
Could put custom text on the door bottom like Formulas have...


The basic idea was to have something different that still looked like it could have been from Pontiac. I like the wide agressive "bird of prey" look that the GTOs and Firebirds had. The GTO was the majority of my inspiration. I liked the front of it but hated the rear. I thought about buying a Firebird and putting the GTO nose on it since I like the rear of the 'birds. Then it hit me to modify the Fiero. I already had several, they had a wide stance, it had already been proven that different noses were a popular and relatively easy way to change its looks. Plus I like the rear of the Fiero. It just made sense to go this direction.

As far as all the details of the build, we want to keep an open mind and explore all suggestions. I want to hear your ideas about badges, decals, grills, etc! How do YOU think it should look?



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 05-07-2013 12:41 PM
      Now this is really cool to see it getting even closer to being made! I go back and forth on center angling forward or backward It seems angling back is a little more modern look and forward is more of the classic look. Witch ever you decide is cool with me but the sides should be as vertical as possible I think. Were are the turn signals going to be located? I may have to play around with the stock lights in different locations under might look ok, I can't wait to see Boostdreamer and CrazyDragn get this made I will be watching



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #75, 05-07-2013 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Now this is really cool to see it getting even closer to being made! I go back and forth on center angling forward or backward It seems angling back is a little more modern look and forward is more of the classic look. Witch ever you decide is cool with me but the sides should be as vertical as possible I think. Were are the turn signals going to be located? I may have to play around with the stock lights in different locations under might look ok, I can't wait to see Boostdreamer and CrazyDragn get this made I will be watching



Our current plan is to have the stock turn signals inside and behind the grill. Placement is still up in the air. We want to make everything as easy as possible so we don't want to make people splice the wiring harness or find donor lights.



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #76, 05-07-2013 01:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


Our current plan is to have the stock turn signals inside and behind the grill. Placement is still up in the air. We want to make everything as easy as possible so we don't want to make people splice the wiring harness or find donor lights.



Yah that would be better the badges will have to be removed or moved but think it would be better. I do think it should be badged on top in front of the hood with either the Fiero or arrow badge I like both



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #77, 05-07-2013 02:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Our current plan is to have the stock turn signals inside and behind the grill. Placement is still up in the air. We want to make everything as easy as possible so we don't want to make people splice the wiring harness or find donor lights.


Another consideration is simply space. We are cutting off quite a bit of length of the car and there is a big corrugated metal crash bar in there. We are going to have to see how the lights, grills, etc work with that to form a proper space relation. This will also make it impossible for us to design a hide-away light system because it would probably require cutting. I'm sure it can be done by the right person but I don't see us addressing that. It is one of the reasons we want to make the grills interchangable, though. If the bumper is ready to accept different grills, it would be easier to adapt a light kit.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #78, 05-08-2013 12:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Another consideration is simply space. We are cutting off quite a bit of length of the car and there is a big corrugated metal crash bar in there. We are going to have to see how the lights, grills, etc work with that to form a proper space relation. This will also make it impossible for us to design a hide-away light system because it would probably require cutting. I'm sure it can be done by the right person but I don't see us addressing that. It is one of the reasons we want to make the grills interchangable, though. If the bumper is ready to accept different grills, it would be easier to adapt a light kit.


Agreed, I don't think either one of us are ready to tackle that - yet. Anyway, I like the idea. However, I think we are going with the LED light trick on the head light. I have a few Ideas of how to accomplish this. I think that the LED may be a one off - depends on the complication of accomplishing it.



coady MSG #79, 05-08-2013 12:37 PM
      will the grill still have the stock plastic protector part behind the new bumper?

as for design i think the yellow or white with the arrowhead in the center and no other lettering or badges on it.


FieroDan86 MSG #80, 05-08-2013 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I voted for this "chin forward" design and CrazyDragn preferred the "forhead forward" look as seen on the yellow notchie.

Everyone, let us know which way you like best! Is it one way or no way or would either be fine?



I vote yellow! The black version just reminded me too much of the 91-92 Firebird "Bat" nose which I hated and thought ruined a good looking car.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #81, 05-08-2013 02:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroDan86:


I vote yellow! The black version just reminded me too much of the 91-92 Firebird "Bat" nose which I hated and thought ruined a good looking car.


What about the white one?


fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #82, 05-08-2013 05:41 PM
      I think black works best. And agree arrowhead in center. Turn signals behind grills.
Looking good! May be the next "Must have".


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #83, 05-08-2013 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

will the grill still have the stock plastic protector part behind the new bumper?

as for design i think the yellow or white with the arrowhead in the center and no other lettering or badges on it.


The new bumper will be designed with the egg crate safety material removed. You can see by the large grill openings that there would be no room for the egg crate behind it. For that reason, we'll have to state that this bumper is "for offroad use only".

We are looking into ways to reinforce our nose, though. Our thought now is to try to make some webbing inside the bumper for support and a bit of bump protection. As with all products, you'll have to use our bumper at your own risk.




jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #84, 05-08-2013 07:15 PM
      Couldn't one just fab up a aluminum or steel reinforcement out of flat stock bent to the curves inside the bumper? something like that would also make sag in the future a little less of a worry..

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #85, 05-08-2013 08:19 PM
      I'm thinking maybe some rebar or 1" square tubing welded close to the frame possibly, BoostDreamer is our welder, I will have to talk to him about that. Plausable tho.



jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #86, 05-08-2013 09:37 PM
      The reason I thought alum would be good is lower cost in shipping, its easier to bend up into comlpex shapes and it doesn't rust. Just food for thought lol

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #87, 05-08-2013 09:46 PM
      I just started a thread in the Mall selling floor mats. The procedes from these sales will fund this project. If you want this nose, you might want to help out by buying a pair. Only $25 shipped with Priority Mail.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/065895.html






coady MSG #88, 05-08-2013 09:53 PM
      i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #89, 05-08-2013 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact


Look at how much shorter the GTO bumper is overall. Now look at how deep the grills are set in. There isn't going to be much room in there. Like I said though, the stock METAL crash bar will remain in place. I do want to add additional fiberglass or plastic webbing inside the bumper to mimic the purpose of the eggcrate. The eggcrate is designed to be sacrificed in an accident. The braun of the system, the crash bar, will still be there. Need a pic?



coady MSG #90, 05-08-2013 10:09 PM
      that would be really great to help me understand


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #91, 05-08-2013 10:15 PM
      Here is a pic of the front with the crash bar removed:



I'll have to take a pic of the front with the crash bar in place tomorrow. My flash doesn't work.




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #92, 05-08-2013 10:20 PM
      Wrecking the front of these cars is catistrophical to begin with, just be a safer driver!



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #93, 05-08-2013 10:23 PM
      Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine.

Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does.

Maybe you could use crushable grille material?

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coady MSG #94, 05-08-2013 11:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Wrecking the front of these cars is catistrophical to begin with, just be a safer driver!



im planning on doing this car for my little girl and when she is old enought to drive it will be hers so yes safety is formost for me on this build.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #95, 05-09-2013 09:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine.

Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does.

Maybe you could use crushable grille material?



What I want to do is in a sense, re-create the eggcrate as a permanent part of the new bumper by making a web system inside the back of the bumper. I think it would help disperse the force over a larger area.



coady MSG #96, 05-09-2013 09:46 AM
      that sounds great. would rather have to buy a new bumper from you guys instead of my little one hurting herself.
keep up the great work....


jaskispyder MSG #97, 05-09-2013 09:59 AM
      Use foam inside the bumper.... this will help absorb some of the impact. Modern cars use foam to keep the shape, and to act as the egg crate in the fiero.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #98, 05-09-2013 10:12 AM
      We could pour some foam into it and let it form-in. but even the egg crate is only 5 mile an hour bumper stop.



coady MSG #99, 05-09-2013 10:59 AM
      so pouring the foam will give you not only the best looking bumper out there but the safest as well. good work guys.... starting to put money aside to pay for one of these now....

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #100, 05-09-2013 11:25 AM
      Here is the crash bar on the front. There is a similar one on the rear. This is the actual car we are using as a model for sculpting and fitting.








fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #101, 05-09-2013 12:33 PM
      I wouldn't mind putting a $25 option fee down towards the purchase rather than buy floor mat.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 05-09-2013 12:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

I wouldn't mind putting a $25 option fee down towards the purchase rather than buy floor mat.


I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it.




fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #103, 05-09-2013 01:10 PM
      Very true. Some people don't understand the difference between an option and a down payment.
I have faith that if you make this nose, it will be well received.


jaskispyder MSG #104, 05-09-2013 01:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it.




Didn't Tucker do that with the radio?




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #105, 05-09-2013 01:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaskispyder:

Didn't Tucker do that with the radio?


Ahhhh! 1948! I remember it well!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #106, 05-09-2013 04:54 PM
      OK, I did a Urethane test today to make 100% sure that I got the correct kind, answer is yes I did.

You see, there are two types. One is used for car seats and is cusioned and the other is hard. I got the HARD (he he)

Here is a pic:



coady MSG #107, 05-09-2013 07:03 PM
      frickin cool man keep it up lol

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 05-09-2013 07:50 PM
      How much yeast did you put in that cake? Yikes!




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #109, 05-09-2013 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

How much yeast did you put in that cake? Yikes!




LOL, you see those two very small shot cups?
I only put maybe 1oz in each one to make that big monster - - it slow rised and then BAM!!- - - absolutely awesome!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 05-10-2013 09:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I just started a thread in the Mall selling floor mats. The procedes from these sales will fund this project. If you want this nose, you might want to help out by buying a pair. Only $25 shipped with Priority Mail.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/065895.html




We have received several offers of investment capital. We very much appreciate the offers and the trust and faith you're extending to us. Unfortunately, we cannot accept those offers. Our greatest fear is that we will disappoint those who have invested. Here's what we CAN do to sweeten the pot - Buy a set of mats for $25. 100% of that money minus materials and shipping will fund this project. When we have a bumper that we are ready to sell, we will give a discount to everyone who bought mats. We will give a $15 credit toward the purchase of the bumper to any member who buys mats. That will mean you get the pair of mats delivered for $10. If, in the end, we fail and cannot offer the bumper, you still got a functional item for your car at a very good price.




IROCTAFIERO MSG #111, 05-10-2013 09:36 AM
      This isn't my cup of tea but I really wish you guys the best of luck in this. Always cool to see new things, even if it isn't for you.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #112, 05-10-2013 09:47 AM
      Just to update everyone, We ARE getting ready to form the Plug.



2.5 MSG #113, 05-10-2013 04:52 PM
      Any projected cost estimates of purchase price of the bumper at this point?

Have you decided "nose up"(kid of like upside down GTO) or "nose down"(like real GTO) yet?


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #114, 05-10-2013 08:47 PM
      We will let you know as we get further into it.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #115, 05-11-2013 10:27 PM
      Posting Pictures Monday!!!



coady MSG #116, 05-13-2013 02:08 PM
      it's Monday!!! i can't wait to see the pics of your progress!!!!!!!

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #117, 05-13-2013 03:43 PM
      We're cleaning up. Made good progress. Pics shortly.




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #118, 05-13-2013 05:29 PM
      OK, HERE WE GO:

This is the bottom of the plug


This is where we put the front of the plug on:


This is where we poured the 2 part urethane foam in:


Here you can WATCH IT RISE!!!!!!


We placed enough in the front for us to cut and trim into place. We will be adding the quater panel from sides in after this dries and we get more 2 part urethane in.
another note*
BoostDreamer made me some Black Floor mats today.



coady MSG #119, 05-13-2013 08:24 PM
      awesome guys you got me drooling...
also would like to see those black mats...


quins&dads88 (onebeej4@msn.com) MSG #120, 05-13-2013 09:24 PM
      You Make......I Shall Buy! Yellow All The Way.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #121, 05-13-2013 10:22 PM
      Here is one of our hood concepts:


Ill place pics of my black floor maps up tomorrow, sun is down and you need light to really see these to appreciate BoostDrreamers work.
They also help us fund our project so - BUY SOME!!




Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #122, 05-13-2013 10:26 PM
      IMO the square hood scoops don't match the rounded grille openings. Maybe try something more curvey?

fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #123, 05-13-2013 10:45 PM
      How about putting the turn signals where the light strips are and making the grill open with hide-away headlights like the GTO?

What's next..A hood tach with a shift light..?


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #124, 05-13-2013 10:52 PM
      Its a little more round but just an Idea, the hood scoop may be a one-off



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #125, 05-14-2013 09:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

How about putting the turn signals where the light strips are and making the grill open with hide-away headlights like the GTO?

What's next..A hood tach with a shift light..?


Hideaway headlights would require cutting the crash bar, etc. It would be something someone could do on their own but not something that could be produced in "kit" form.

The headlight doors are separate from the bumper. Not everyone will want those. We have to have a solution that everyone can use. We're still thinking about turn signal placement.

Jonathan

[This message has been edited by Boostdreamer (edited 05-14-2013).]

jaskispyder MSG #126, 05-14-2013 10:03 AM
      Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.

The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.


coady MSG #127, 05-14-2013 10:05 AM
     

i like it but think that the holes should be a little more rounded but not functional. the air should be allowed to flow up from the rad through the add on and out up by the window allowing for great air movement on the rad instead of forcing air down and causing the nose to want to rise at higher speeds. don't you think?
i love the fact that you guys are allowing us to be part of the planning and input our thoughts and ideas. also making sure that the finished product is more to the liking of a larger buyer group... very smart on your part!!!
keep up the great work!!!


TXGOOD MSG #128, 05-14-2013 10:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaskispyder:

Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.

The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.


I agree, it looks somewhat different on the White car on the first page, as that car has a stock top and it`s not lowered.
But maybe that would be more incentive for choptops and lowering components.


jaskispyder MSG #129, 05-14-2013 10:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

But maybe that would be more incentive for choptops and lowering components.


Maybe, but a bolt on nose is a lot easier than chopping the top




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #130, 05-14-2013 10:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaskispyder:

Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.

The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.


We are working off of a stock Formula parts car of mine. It is straight with no damage to the fenders or hood. We will level the car before we begin sculpting. It isn't chopped or anything. For a more "average" view. Look again at the black and gray car. It has the stock height roof.

I don't think the headlight doors will be a problem. I think the photoshop is very realistic. I may not modify the stock doors, I might make new ones.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #131, 05-14-2013 10:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

What's next..A hood tach with a shift light..?


No, but I've got an idea to take it to the next level as a possible one off for me.




2.5 MSG #132, 05-14-2013 10:59 AM
      Some thoughts. If some of the grille is not flow thru, that would be somewhat of an air dam, if that is of any concern. Air that does flow through, will it be more than an original Fiero nose? It looks like it could be. If so air outlets may be warranted, or it could be that headlight lid "pop up" could happen at an earlier speed than the infamous 100mph pop up.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 05-14-2013 11:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:



i like it but think that the holes should be a little more rounded but not functional. the air should be allowed to flow up from the rad through the add on and out up by the window allowing for great air movement on the rad instead of forcing air down and causing the nose to want to rise at higher speeds. don't you think?
i love the fact that you guys are allowing us to be part of the planning and input our thoughts and ideas. also making sure that the finished product is more to the liking of a larger buyer group... very smart on your part!!!
keep up the great work!!!


That photoshop is just a quick rendering of an idea. It is not in final form at all. We've got Terry working on a picture for us that is close to being done. We'll post that here when it's ready.

You are right about the air flow. That is the whole idea for this "scoop". It will actually be a beauty cover for the holes in the hood. The idea is to allow the radiator air to escape up and over the car through the outlet at the cowl. Just like you said, to increase cooling air flow and to keep the nose down.

We appreciate the interest and ideas. Just talking about it allows our minds to think through details, etc. It is very helpful.




2.5 MSG #134, 05-14-2013 11:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

You are right about the air flow. That is the whole idea for this "scoop". It will actually be a beauty cover for the holes in the hood. The idea is to allow the radiator air to escape up and over the car through the outlet at the cowl.


Sounds like you got it covered
I like the retro V nose 2 scoop look to the hood too.

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #135, 05-14-2013 11:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2.5:

Some thoughts. If some of the grille is not flow thru, that would be somewhat of an air dam, if that is of any concern. Air that does flow through, will it be more than an original Fiero nose? It looks like it could be. If so air outlets may be warranted, or it could be that headlight lid "pop up" could happen at an earlier speed than the infamous 100mph pop up.


The radiator air flow comes in at a very low point on the car. See this pic of the bumper removed:



You can see there is just a big metal wall blocking the radiator at the top. All the air flows in at the bottom. Notice the nose of the yellow car. It was photoshoped from a stock Formula bumper. You can still see the factory inlets below the GTO grills. We will keep this as is or very similar.




coady MSG #136, 05-14-2013 11:11 AM
      yup
looks like these guys have thought about all the scenarios. good work guys....
i am super stoked to see the next phase of sculpting to start....


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #137, 05-14-2013 11:29 AM
      As in the original picture where there is a downward hole in the hood, this is to allow air from the bottom of the car to flow upward to the hood.
The Hood Cover then allows for more transfer of air to speed it up using the two holes in the front and push it more fastly thru the cowl and over the windshield.
This would allow the air to travel with more speed in cooling for the radiator (in theory). The fan would help at idle but the faster you would go the cooler your radiator would be.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #138, 05-14-2013 11:35 AM
      Here are a few shots I snapped yesterday. This is as far as our funds have gotten us. There will be more work as resources allow.


















coady MSG #139, 05-15-2013 09:07 PM
      how are you guys making out with MY bumper lol

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #140, 05-15-2013 09:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

how are you guys making out with MY bumper lol


It's coming along, LOL


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #141, 05-16-2013 09:30 AM
      Here's a pic of how this process got started. We cut up a 2" insulation board to make the block. We used STUFF to spray in the missing sections to fill in. We found out quickly that we were not going to be happy with the shaping ability and quality of this foam so we tore it all out, bit the bullet, and bought the good stuff.




85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #142, 05-16-2013 09:38 PM
      One suggestion:
If possible you should start w/ a fiberglass bumper that has the upper part n side parts
Like the one from Fiero Fiberglass, I think the guys name is JimmyS
That way you would already have all the mounting points perfect
Then you would just need to shape the frt part of the bumper
It wold be a lot easier that building everything from scratch


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #143, 05-16-2013 10:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

One suggestion:
If possible you should start w/ a fiberglass bumper that has the upper part n side parts
Like the one from Fiero Fiberglass, I think the guys name is JimmyS
That way you would already have all the mounting points perfect
Then you would just need to shape the frt part of the bumper
It wold be a lot easier that building everything from scratch


I agree the mounting points will be a headache. We have two fascias that we could sacrifice for the cause. Not sure how we're going to address it at this point.




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #144, 05-17-2013 10:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I agree the mounting points will be a headache. We have two fascias that we could sacrifice for the cause. Not sure how we're going to address it at this point.




I do, actually we have three . (I have another fascia at my house, lol - yes its another bumper pad nose)


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #145, 05-17-2013 03:45 PM
      OOOoooh OOoooh Oooooh, Look what the FedEx guy just brought!!!



coady MSG #146, 05-17-2013 06:11 PM
      so i assume that is the stuff that gets me another step closer to my bumper lol

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #147, 05-18-2013 08:27 AM
      It's the two part urethane foam.



coady MSG #148, 05-18-2013 10:57 AM
      sweet!!!


coady MSG #149, 05-18-2013 11:10 AM
      last night i was thinking about how to get the perfect fit. then it hit me
why not take the pointy nose bumper cut the front out of it.
mount it the fill the inside with the foam. when hard carve out the desired shape. then glass over it to get the mold.
does this sound possible?
just a thought...


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #150, 05-18-2013 11:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

last night i was thinking about how to get the perfect fit. then it hit me
why not take the pointy nose bumper cut the front out of it.
mount it the fill the inside with the foam. when hard carve out the desired shape. then glass over it to get the mold.
does this sound possible?
just a thought...


If I understand you correctly, it sounds like something we're discussing. All options are still on the table at this point.




coady MSG #151, 05-18-2013 11:37 AM
      doesn't this sound like the easiest way to make the original mold. i think that it would speed up the process as you would just have to work on the gto shape and not have to worry about getting the fitting to the car correct.
again just a thought.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #152, 05-18-2013 11:47 AM
      And a little more 'food for thought' :


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #153, 05-18-2013 01:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

doesn't this sound like the easiest way to make the original mold. i think that it would speed up the process as you would just have to work on the gto shape and not have to worry about getting the fitting to the car correct.
again just a thought.


CrazyDragn and I have our next session planned for Wednesday. Our first order of business is for him to show me his ideas about mounting and attaching the nose. He's been working on that aspect of it and he'll show me what he's come up with then. At that point I'll be able to see if I can add anything to it and we'll brainstorm from there to come up with a working process. Then we'll push forward with that plan and try to remain flexable to new ideas and solutions to unforseen problems that crop up.



coady MSG #154, 05-18-2013 01:58 PM
      great!!!
keep us posted..
if it wasnt for you guys i'd probally be taking a break from the computer
but you have me checking every couple of hours to see if i missed anything exciting lol
keep up the good work

on a side note not a fan of the trans am nose reminds me of the pretty girls ugly sister......

edited for trans am slam lol

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CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #155, 05-18-2013 04:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

great!!!
keep us posted..
if it wasnt for you guys i'd probally be taking a break from the computer
but you have me checking every couple of hours to see if i missed anything exciting lol
keep up the good work

on a side note not a fan of the trans am nose reminds me of the pretty girls ugly sister......

edited for trans am slam lol



WITH BUCK TEETH!!



coady MSG #156, 05-18-2013 08:31 PM
      omg yes with the license plate holder does look like buck teeth lol

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #157, 05-18-2013 10:41 PM
      It's a WHITE SpongeBob!! LOL
It's all in fun bro
I can't wait to show you all more, a lil at a time is all you can handle tho.



fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #158, 05-21-2013 12:55 PM
      Bump up because I believe in your idea.
How about another idea (but has already been done?



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #159, 05-21-2013 03:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:
Bump up because I believe in your idea.
How about another idea (but has already been done?


Nice Idea, however I think we were going with the idea that it would be a cover to the walber invert hood scoop. This would allow air from the under side of the car meet with the wind from the front of the car and creat more air displacement thru the radiator.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #160, 05-21-2013 06:08 PM
      Nicely done. The problem with the Fiero hood is that there are so many straight lines and square shapes. It is hard to come up with something that looks good on its own and goes well with the original lines. Not to mention making it functional all at the same time.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #161, 05-22-2013 05:49 PM
      OK, so here is John as we are taking off the cardboard and getting the angle on the top of the foam bumper.


Here is the cardboard off the foam bumper and John trying to rush out of my way when I took the picture,
Sorry buddy - still gotcha - LOL


Another angle, sorta looks like a nascar front end right now, lol



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #162, 05-22-2013 06:08 PM
      It's starting to come together pretty nice......I like all the progress so far...AWESOME..

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #163, 05-22-2013 06:25 PM
      We were also talking about putting the forwazrd lip spoiler on the front just like the 69 Mustang, really adds to the look!!!



seth1972 MSG #164, 05-22-2013 06:46 PM
      Awwww yea that chin spoiler is just what it needed!

Fierology MSG #165, 05-22-2013 07:55 PM
      Great idea. Keep up the good work.

I vote for the black style.

-Michael


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #166, 05-22-2013 07:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by seth1972:

Awwww yea that chin spoiler is just what it needed!


X2!! Great photoshop work, Terry!! Thank you very much! I definately want to put that shape at the bottom!


> Question: Do you all like it to look like a separate black piece or would you like it all molded in and body color?




Fierology MSG #167, 05-22-2013 08:07 PM
      I prefer it to be black

-Michael


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #168, 05-22-2013 08:39 PM
      Lets let terry apply it to same color and look at it then,



seth1972 MSG #169, 05-22-2013 09:42 PM
      I've been toying around for a while of creating a 3d model using Autodesk 3ds Max of a 70's Fiero. As in, what if Pontiac made the Fiero in the mid 70s instead of mid 80s, and I think this nose is exactly what I needed for inspiration to go ahead with the modelling. I started it today, and hopefully I'll finish the entire car before too long. I'm just doing this for fun in my spare time because I love making 3d car models. I've made 3 or 4 models now in the past year or so, and all of my cars are concept muscle cars. Here's an early render of the front bumper. The cool thing about the 3d model is I can render it in any angle and easily change the colors/proportions once it's done.



coady MSG #170, 05-22-2013 10:50 PM
      i think molded in and the same color would be my preference.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #171, 05-23-2013 08:55 AM
      Well, here is the cool part, it will all be fiberglass so you can paint it whatever color you want!!



coady MSG #172, 05-23-2013 10:49 AM
      awesome great work... cant wait to see how it looks when you cut into the foam...

seth1972 MSG #173, 05-23-2013 10:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Well, here is the cool part, it will all be fiberglass so you can paint it whatever color you want!!



Well, there's that, and the fact that it's real!


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #174, 05-23-2013 11:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by seth1972:

I've been toying around for a while of creating a 3d model using Autodesk 3ds Max of a 70's Fiero. As in, what if Pontiac made the Fiero in the mid 70s instead of mid 80s, and I think this nose is exactly what I needed for inspiration to go ahead with the modelling. I started it today, and hopefully I'll finish the entire car before too long. I'm just doing this for fun in my spare time because I love making 3d car models. I've made 3 or 4 models now in the past year or so, and all of my cars are concept muscle cars. Here's an early render of the front bumper. The cool thing about the 3d model is I can render it in any angle and easily change the colors/proportions once it's done.



Holy heck !!! that looks really cool I am still behind the times I looked up the software and my mouth dropped and thought I'll stay behind the times http://www.amazon.com/gp/pr...17282&pf_rd_i=507846 great 3D rendering though



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #175, 05-23-2013 02:07 PM
      The vents in the red one need to be wider. not longer.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #176, 05-23-2013 06:10 PM
      Here it is with the lower lip same color. Thanks again Terry






seth1972 MSG #177, 05-23-2013 06:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


Holy heck !!! that looks really cool I am still behind the times I looked up the software and my mouth dropped and thought I'll stay behind the times http://www.amazon.com/gp/pr...17282&pf_rd_i=507846 great 3D rendering though



Wow that's expensive!!! I have Autodesk 2009, which is a bit outdated I guess but works fine for me. I got the student (non-commercial) version of the software free in one of my college classes last year (well, not really free with the ridiculous cost of tuition, but not $4,000...)


coady MSG #178, 05-23-2013 08:24 PM
     


gee they both look good ... now i dont know which i like better both are awesome

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #179, 05-23-2013 09:31 PM
      Wow, that's one nice CtopTopped, suicide door, LT1 Fiero there.



I'll bet the driver is just as sleek & handsome as the car.

Might you have any other information on it?

Archie


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #180, 05-23-2013 10:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Wow, that's one nice CtopTopped, suicide door, LT1 Fiero there.



I'll bet the driver is just as sleek & handsome as the car.

Might you have any other information on it?

Archie


Imma take a shot in the dark on this one, is it ARCHIE!!!!
I like the car, we had an idea of the bumper thought it looked good on our chop top, heck might even send business your way!!




Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #181, 05-23-2013 11:09 PM
      I really like the look you guys are after. Where will the turn signals go?

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #182, 05-23-2013 11:25 PM
      Here is my thought on the black spoiler and you look fantastic Archie





CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #183, 05-24-2013 01:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:

I really like the look you guys are after. Where will the turn signals go?


We are going to try and ghost them, meaning you will not see them until they turn on. We are contemplating placing them behind the grill plates hidden.

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retroman (gnatsum64@yahoo.com) MSG #184, 05-25-2013 04:06 PM
      Looking good!! Honestly, I was quite skeptical about the project until you added that chin spoiler (looks better in black btw). I love the GTO, but I wasn't sure a big mouthy grill would compliment the Fiero's sleek aerodynamic lines. Keep up the good work and PLEASE PLEASE post more pics so us non-body guys can learn from your awesomeness !!

BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #185, 05-25-2013 04:22 PM
      What are the grills going to be made from?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #186, 05-25-2013 06:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackEmrald:

What are the grills going to be made from?


Not 100% sure, we were thinking of some type of fiberglass but we have some other options we are not going to reveal on that just yet. We have to get the bumper ready first before we go to that step.
(hint - maybe carbon fiber).



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #187, 05-27-2013 09:47 PM
      cant wait to show you all what has happened next



coady MSG #188, 05-27-2013 10:38 PM
      i wanna see

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #189, 05-31-2013 01:57 PM
      Here's the pics I took during our last session. More soon.








Big Paul (pkaufmann34@gmail.com) MSG #190, 05-31-2013 07:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by seth1972:

I've been toying around for a while of creating a 3d model using Autodesk 3ds Max of a 70's Fiero. As in, what if Pontiac made the Fiero in the mid 70s instead of mid 80s, and I think this nose is exactly what I needed for inspiration to go ahead with the modelling. I started it today, and hopefully I'll finish the entire car before too long. I'm just doing this for fun in my spare time because I love making 3d car models. I've made 3 or 4 models now in the past year or so, and all of my cars are concept muscle cars. Here's an early render of the front bumper. The cool thing about the 3d model is I can render it in any angle and easily change the colors/proportions once it's done.



Good lord! That is awesome! Want to send me some renderings of Fieros? :P


KVCFIERO MSG #191, 05-31-2013 09:21 PM
      That nose looks great on the Fiero. If you could use the GTO grills and hidaway lights that would be sweet.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #192, 05-31-2013 11:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

That nose looks great on the Fiero. If you could use the GTO grills and hidaway lights that would be sweet.


No room for hidaway headlights without cutting some metal. We'll leave that to the individuals who might want to take it to the next level. Sorry.




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #193, 05-31-2013 11:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by seth1972:



I meant to say earlier that this does look great! I hope ours turns out as well. Nice work.




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #194, 06-02-2013 10:15 PM
      OK, here are some pictures of some more progress. Johnathon will post some more later as well. I didn't have as many pics this round but he has more.

This is where we got the angle of slope of the hood:


Here we are shaping the front nose and angle of the front side of the bumper lip:


This is where we were marking the lower side of the bumper to find out how much space we have for the front grills and how we are planning to make the front bottom lip forward spoiler so that air will flow better into the radiator:





Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #195, 06-03-2013 11:05 AM
      Here's a few more. We only spent a few hours working but made a lot of progress. I'm really happy with this foam and the way it is looking so far. Many thanks to Crazydragn for his help, encouragement, excitement, ideas, and financial support. Without him, this would still be a photoshop dream.









This shows our "test hole" that we cut to find the bottom of the crash bar. We didn't think to mark it before it was covered with foam. Then we did a test chin spoiler. These things will be "pushed back" to the planned positions and will not remain where they are now.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #196, 06-03-2013 11:10 AM
      Here is another shot with a tweak to the chin spoiler. This is how I want mine. All blended in and body color.





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #197, 06-03-2013 11:24 AM
      Not a big fan of the style you are going for, but i absolutely love watching the process and the creativity on display.

I wish you guys nothing but the best in reaching the design you seek.

It looks like you are on the right track.

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Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #198, 06-03-2013 11:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Not a big fan of the style you are going for, but i absolutely love watching the process and the creativity on display.

I wish you guys nothing but the best in reaching the design you seek.

It looks like you are on the right track.



I'm glad you're watching! Many sets of eyes help develop a good product. You might point something out to us that we never thought of! We can always use more objectivity, especially since we are starting to gush over this thing!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #199, 06-03-2013 11:40 AM
      Thank you for sharing the process. Please take lots of photos along the way. I have been wanting to see how someone creates a new fiberglass part in this fashion!

I think the front end will be a very cool one-off! But you may want to consider incorporating the same feel & style into the rear as well in some form or fashion to unify it all together.

Please keep posting!


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #200, 06-03-2013 11:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Thank you for sharing the process. Please take lots of photos along the way. I have been wanting to see how someone creates a new fiberglass part in this fashion!

I think the front end will be a very cool one-off! But you may want to consider incorporating the same feel & style into the rear as well in some form or fashion to unify it all together.

Please keep posting!


I have plans for the rear also. I want to do a "shorty" fastback. No plans for a rear bumper mod at this time.





CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #201, 06-03-2013 12:24 PM
      We may get more done this Wednesday or Thursday.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #202, 06-03-2013 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Thank you for sharing the process. Please take lots of photos along the way. I have been wanting to see how someone creates a new fiberglass part in this fashion!

I think the front end will be a very cool one-off! But you may want to consider incorporating the same feel & style into the rear as well in some form or fashion to unify it all together.

Please keep posting!


Oh, this Will Not be a One Off, this is the Plug. We Plan on making Quiet a Few of them.



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #203, 06-03-2013 01:43 PM
      It's looking GREAT Your vision for this bumper is giving me some ideas for mine.Keep up the AWESOME job..

deezil MSG #204, 06-03-2013 01:45 PM
      That's pretty nice! Somebody PhotoShop that last GT in white so know what my 88 is going to look like when I buy one of these from you guys.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #205, 06-03-2013 04:58 PM
      Just got off with the Copyright people.

We now have a copyrighted product. this is going to be called the iGTO bumper. MCN: CP5DL-H1TFA-BRJS7

This is exciting!!! IT'S GETTING CLOSER!!!!!!!!!!1



Pete Matos MSG #206, 06-04-2013 01:15 AM
      This is an interesting idea. Honestly while it is not my cup of tea I can appreciate what you are doing here. Personally I think that rendering in black has a much better looking front fascia than the yellow one. I would endeavor to make the openings look smaller if possible. In other words give the nod to the history and styling but don't overdo it. The fiero is a very low and sleek looking car and making something with a huge maw will only serve to detract from the look. I do like the front chin spoiler but both the openings and the spoiler need to be as low as possible IMHO to look good on the car. Remember that the yellow car is ALSO a choptop so the overall look of the car is changed substaintially from what it would have been and what might look okay on a chopper might look different on a stocker. Much the way the Archie widebody looks vastly different on a chopper than it does on a stock height notchie. Either way this is an interesting thread and I have always thought the foam method of making custom parts like this is the way to go. Brings visions of the clay models major manufacturers use to model new and prototype cars before they come to metal and plastic. Good luck fellas. Peace

Pete



jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #207, 06-04-2013 04:41 AM
      How does copyright work with the fact you are copying a design from gm?. true it is going on a fiero but that is like someone having a copyright on a Murci replica they built.. I have no desire to copy it or anything at all but do not see how that would actually stand if someone did make essentially the same product..
Anyways , look forward to seeing more progress..
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Just got off with the Copyright people.

We now have a copyrighted product. this is going to be called the iGTO bumper. MCN: CP5DL-H1TFA-BRJS7

This is exciting!!! IT'S GETTING CLOSER!!!!!!!!!!1





Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #208, 06-04-2013 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Personally I think that rendering in black has a much better looking front fascia than the yellow one. I do like the front chin spoiler Remember that the yellow car is ALSO a choptop so the overall look of the car is changed substaintially from what it would have been and what might look okay on a chopper might look different on a stocker.

Pete



The black car isn't chopped and it is a better representation of what we hope our final product will resemble. There are other non-chopped cars with this bumper in Terry's photoshop thread. I think it is going to be something that can be added as a single piece and completely blend with the original styling of the rest of the car. That is the goal. I think it will come down to personal preference, though. It will be similar to liking bumperpads or not and liking fastbacks with or without rear wings. It won't be for everyone and of those who like it, they may not like it on all Fieros. Time will tell.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #209, 06-04-2013 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:
This is an interesting idea. Honestly while it is not my cup of tea I can appreciate what you are doing here. Personally I think that rendering in black has a much better looking front fascia than the yellow one. I would endeavor to make the openings look smaller if possible. In other words give the nod to the history and styling but don't overdo it. The fiero is a very low and sleek looking car and making something with a huge maw will only serve to detract from the look. I do like the front chin spoiler but both the openings and the spoiler need to be as low as possible IMHO to look good on the car. Remember that the yellow car is ALSO a choptop so the overall look of the car is changed substaintially from what it would have been and what might look okay on a chopper might look different on a stocker. Much the way the Archie widebody looks vastly different on a chopper than it does on a stock height notchie. Either way this is an interesting thread and I have always thought the foam method of making custom parts like this is the way to go. Brings visions of the clay models major manufacturers use to model new and prototype cars before they come to metal and plastic. Good luck fellas. Peace

Pete


The yellow 'car' is not copyrighted, the bumper is what is now copyrighted. GM copyrights the name therfore we have an extra 'i' infront of ours making it 'ours'. with the forward lip spoiler on the front altering the bumper more than 20% is the law. The black bumper is the bumper of choice being made currently (bottom lip forward). Both the top forward and the bottom forward design are what is in the copyright book currently. I too like the foam method of making the bumper. It allows you to alter as you go or even add to it as you go, either way if you mess up you always add more or take away more.
Thanks for you pointing out some of the issues
Jason



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #210, 06-04-2013 09:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jb1:
How does copyright work with the fact you are copying a design from gm?. true it is going on a fiero but that is like someone having a copyright on a Murci replica they built.. I have no desire to copy it or anything at all but do not see how that would actually stand if someone did make essentially the same product..
Anyways , look forward to seeing more progress..


Because we altered the bumper more than 20%, then by law we are not copying much more than using it as a 'guideline'. this is not the whole car but the front bumper that is altered.
Because it didn't come factory on the fiero nor did it come factory on the GTO the way we are building it - then we can call it our own design and fabricate it within the laws that govern copyright.
This also helps keep others from copying our design or similarities for the fiero.

That is the safe way to keep your stuff from others being able to take your designs or projects and use them for their own.
We wanted a copyright so we could keep this legal and to keep our ideas - for our own.
Great question....thanks for the interests,
Jason



larini74 (fieroz@earthlink.net) MSG #211, 06-04-2013 12:14 PM
      I too have started something like this. I have already obtained the 68-69 GTO front bumper and grill pieces. I'm just short on funds to continue it for the moment.

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #212, 06-04-2013 08:33 PM
      So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?

Cliff please move this to the mall. It's not for us, it's for a buck!!


fieroguru MSG #213, 06-04-2013 09:02 PM
      Its quite common for product development threads to start/remain in Tech/General sections. The mall section is generally for items that are ready to be sold.

Sure they are making a new bumper (and trying to protect their design) with the intent to sell it (which there is nothing wrong with), but they are also sharing their process of creating the bumper. This process could be very helpful for others looking to do something similar, but not sure how to start/proceed.

Documenting the process of creating the new bumper is why this is in the construction zone...

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turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #214, 06-04-2013 09:28 PM
      I get what you are saying Fieroguru , my problem is with the copyright proclamation. It say's to me "don't you try this or compete with me". I say again what if everyone here did that with a mod they thought of? Only Archie can make a V8 swap or choptop only Amida can make a Ferrari nose and Lambo/355 dash, only Dark Horizon can do turbo 3800 swaps, because they copyrighted same. Will Car-2 lo copyright RBS2 which is liberally uses Lambo design cues?

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #215, 06-04-2013 09:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?

Cliff please move this to the mall. It's not for us, it's for a buck!!


Relax, all a copyright does is protect the designers from someone else selling or somehow profiting from a copy of their design or image. There's nothing wrong with trying to make a buck or protecting your design. While he did mention that he would like to offer this nose up for sale in the future, so far this thread has been about the process of building this nose for a Fiero, which belongs squarely in the construction zone. You can build an exact copy for yourself if you like, you just can't sell it or profit from it, or somehow prevent the designer from profiting from it, if it has copyright protection.


turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #216, 06-04-2013 10:00 PM
      Wrong. You also cannot display it "by radio or video", which means I can't show it on PFF. I know where you guys are coming from really, but when you start using legal terms it is a slippery slope. So in the spirit of "forum friendship" I offer this suggestion to the builders. Go to the pick and pull and get a front bumper from a 67-68 Firebird. Google it and you will see what I mean. Leave out the lights and there you go. This will save you days of sculpting your foam. I hereby waive my consulting fees or claims to royalty.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #217, 06-04-2013 10:12 PM
      This is not a try and burn you thread, by any means. This is a simple, this is what we are doing. You either like it or not. It ok with us whatever your decision. My brother, the lawyer, helped to set this up. he is on the ccouncil of San Diego and he also practiced in our state and was also in on the monica luinski case with kenneth starr. neither which matters.
We just want to make a product that everone can enjoy and not get their pannies in a wad.

So, just like everyone on here who has rights to what they build all we ask is that you respect that as we respect what everone else builds.
Saying that, lets have fun and be mature about this whole thing.
Thank ou for all your PM responses and patroinage to those who have supported us.
Jason



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #218, 06-04-2013 10:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Wrong. You also cannot display it "by radio or video", which means I can't show it on PFF. I know where you guys are coming from really, but when you start using legal terms it is a slippery slope. So in the spirit of "forum friendship" I offer this suggestion to the builders. Go to the pick and pull and get a front bumper from a 67-68 Firebird. Google it and you will see what I mean. Leave out the lights and there you go. This will save you days of sculpting your foam. I hereby waive my consulting fees or claims to royalty.


I appreciate your comment




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #219, 06-04-2013 10:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Its quite common for product development threads to start/remain in Tech/General sections. The mall section is generally for items that are ready to be sold.

Sure they are making a new bumper (and trying to protect their design) with the intent to sell it (which there is nothing wrong with), but they are also sharing their process of creating the bumper. This process could be very helpful for others looking to do something similar, but not sure how to start/proceed.

Documenting the process of creating the new bumper is why this is in the construction zone...



Actually, we are trying to enspire new creative ideas with our method of use.



turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #220, 06-04-2013 10:20 PM
      If I start and finish my own similar design this weekend and post it on PFF will your brother sue me for copyright infringement?

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #221, 06-04-2013 10:25 PM
      Not entirely wrong, The thread so far has been building the nose, which belongs here in the construction zone.

Build your own for yourself if you wish, I'm sure that legally you can. Alter it 20 percent if you want to post the image here or elsewhere if you're afraid of being sued. Lawyering up and sueing is quite expensive, while I wish these guys great success in their endevour I highly doubt they'll be getting rich on this project as it's a fairly limited market.

Sorry for the sidetrack. Good luck guys, hope you get this done and to market at some point.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #222, 06-04-2013 10:31 PM
      Turbodad, I hear you. Have you heard us? Did you bother to ask anything discretely in a PM? No, you busted in on a happy build thread yelling foul. There's always one who has to cry. Is this an original idea? Yes it is. I had the idea and I asked 85SEnochie to create it in his photoshop thread. I never thought I would ever be actually making it. This is very exciting for me and possibly even more so for Crazydragn. He's the driving force in this project. Without him pushing me to join up with him on this project, it would still be an image on a screen. Instead, now it's an evolving creation in foam behind my house. Are we happy and proud about it? Hell yes!! Got a problem with our excitement? I don't give a damn. We're just a couple of poor old Tennessee hillbillies having fun, trying to make some pocket money, and deeply desiring to supply the community with a nice product. If you have a problem with that, see my answer above. Yes we applied for a copyright. Apparently, our project qualified for one or it wouldn't have been issued. To be honest, I know absolutely nothing about legal mumbo-jumbo but after hearing your rant, I sure do see how quickly things can get ugly so it is obviously wise to CYA.

I won't address this topic further on this thread. If Crazydragn chooses to, he's a grown man and that is up to him. I'd rather get back to the car and do some more carving! Who's ready for more pics and build notes?



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #223, 06-04-2013 10:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

So if I were to make my own and displayed it here on PFF, you could sue me for infringing on "your design"? Seems to me this thread should now be in the mall. It is not an attempt to inspire others to share or do what you are doing, but to sell a product. What if 3800 swaps were copyrighted, side scoops, Ferrari noses, chin spoilers, chop tops ? I think "your" design is cool and I could probably do one myself, but I could never display it because you have invented the 68-69 GTO nose. What if the first hot rodders had copyrighted removing fenders and exposed engines? I just find it distasteful in a club forum to state that no one can take "your" stuff. I saw one guy put a 3d modeled red GTO grill in your thread, is he entitled to a royalty is 85ESNotchie ? Is GM okay with you using their design cues and openly stating where you "copied" it from? It just seems petty and "in your face". Does Amida copyright his 512 noses so no one else can attempt to compete (and by the rules of copyright) or display without his permission with a design he copied from Ferrari? Will you sue larini74, he is already attempting to do "your" design?


I really don't understand how you got your feelings hurt. We are trying to help show you how to make a product. how to make it!
not hurt you or try to keep you from it, we are trying to inspire you by showing our progress.
Good luck to you and god bless you
Jason



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #224, 06-04-2013 10:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by av8fiero:

Not entirely wrong, The thread so far has been building the nose, which belongs here in the construction zone.

Build your own for yourself if you wish, I'm sure that legally you can. Alter it 20 percent if you want to post the image here or elsewhere if you're afraid of being sued. Lawyering up and sueing is quite expensive, while I wish these guys great success in their endevour I highly doubt they'll be getting rich on this project as it's a fairly limited market.

Sorry for the sidetrack. Good luck guys, hope you get this done and to market at some point.


you can absolutely build your own for yourself, there is NO infringemnt for that I can tell you that now. We just want to be able to resell our product thus it has to be copyright, anyone who wouldn't would be foolish. I'm done with this .
Lets get back to the build and be mature about this.
I appreciate your coooperation.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #225, 06-04-2013 10:46 PM
      Wow we are making an awesome bumper!!



turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #226, 06-04-2013 10:49 PM
      AV8Fiero, you can't give me permission to build this only the OP copyright holder can. I do like this mod. I had originally intended to give some advice and try it myself as IMHO they are going at it with a sledgehammer rather than a scalpel ie. 67-68 firebird has the same nose in one piece. But the OP sidetracked this thread with the copyright proclamation which means if I posted what I have done he could say "you can't do that I have a copyright". I know you may think "oh they won't mind" but he has built in legal counsel and has copyrighted before it is even done I think he would mind and think that I copied his idea and he would be right !! I'm just glad chop tops haven't been copyrighted.........they haven't right Archie?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #227, 06-04-2013 10:56 PM
      Sledge hammer,
I work in nursing, ill remember that when your relative needs to have surgery.
you know what, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that, I just get upset sometimes when people don't really think things thru brfore they say it, I love you guys!!

And back to the build!!



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #228, 06-04-2013 11:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Sledge hammer,
I work in nursing, ill remember that when your relative needs to have surgery.
you know what, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that, I just get upset sometimes when people don't really think things thru brfore they say it, I love you guys!!

And back to the build!!


There is waaay to much bickering.Just keep building this awesome product.


FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #229, 06-04-2013 11:11 PM
      I love when threads go to this stage. I work in the automotive design world, and deal with intellectual property all the time.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but a coryright will NOT protect your design, it will protect your name. A copyright might also protect any images of the final design or anything in a brochure etc. It does not and will never hold up in court if the design was infringed on. To truly protect your idea you need to file for a patent... way different from a copyright and way more expensive. I have sold off many designs I have done and transferred intellectual property rights to my clients, when they decide to patent the product. A copy right means nothing for a physical bumper or part. You need to see a Intellectual property layer. Patenting a part is also not easy and costs thousands of dollars.

The chances of someone copying this bumper and taking money out of your pocket are so infinitely small that its not worth the attorney and patent fees. Build it, share the process and make a cool looking part. At the end of the day you also have to realize this: This is a public forum which means that once you put that rendering of the yellow car online you made your plans and design public domain, meaning you have already released your part and its too late. If someone takes your bumper and makes a mold from it, then produces a part and sells it, that is a whole different story. You have the right and will win any case based on infringement of your "intellectual property..."

I love to see people trying new stuff and getting their hands dirty in the process. That is one of the reason my dad and I built the orange widebody. Its a creative and exciting process, the minute it becomes too serious it looses some of sparkle.

The whole thing about changing 20% is BS, not sure who told you that. There is no law, or rule as a result of litigation allowing any percent change to patent anything. How do you measure a 20% difference. Its is a myth and has no validity in a intellectual property hearing.

Good luck with the project, its cool to follow it along.

Alex



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #230, 06-04-2013 11:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboby:

I love when threads go to this stage. I work in the automotive design world, and deal with intellectual property all the time.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but a coryright will NOT protect your design, it will protect your name. A copyright might also protect any images of the final design or anything in a brochure etc. It does not and will never hold up in court if the design was infringed on. To truly protect your idea you need to file for a patent... way different from a copyright and way more expensive. I have sold off many designs I have done and transferred intellectual property rights to my clients, when they decide to patent the product. A copy right means nothing for a physical bumper or part. You need to see a Intellectual property layer. Patenting a part is also not easy and costs thousands of dollars.

The chances of someone copying this bumper and taking money out of your pocket are so infinitely small that its not worth the attorney and patent fees. Build it, share the process and make a cool looking part. At the end of the day you also have to realize this: This is a public forum which means that once you put that rendering of the yellow car online you made your plans and design public domain, meaning you have already released your part and its too late. If someone takes your bumper and makes a mold from it, then produces a part and sells it, that is a whole different story. You have the right and will win any case based on infringement of your "intellectual property..."

I love to see people trying new stuff and getting their hands dirty in the process. That is one of the reason my dad and I built the orange widebody. Its a creative and exciting process, the minute it becomes too serious it looses some of sparkle.

The whole thing about changing 20% is BS, not sure who told you that. There is no law, or rule as a result of litigation allowing any percent change to patent anything. How do you measure a 20% difference. Its is a myth and has no validity in a intellectual property hearing.

Good luck with the project, its cool to follow it along.

Alex


I WILL address this again. YES, there is a law about changine it 20% and thus is NOT BS - read your laws more thoroughly. my brother - who is a lawyer - and is doing this probono and is a well known national lawyer - can and will help us. he IS pushing for a ptend as we speak, but has nothing to do with anything when it comesto anyone elses knowledge or knowing of anyhting. this is private in matter.
Look guys, I wouldn't post something I wasn't sure of or have looked into thoroughly. I love this build, love the responses, lets get back to build and use this for constructive converations rather that I KNOW WhaT IM TALKING ABUT thread.
Love you guys, let's get busy now.



FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #231, 06-04-2013 11:29 PM
      Okay. I agree it is a private matter. The 20% thing isn't true. The OEM's (BMW, Audi, Mclaren, Volvo) I worked for also have lawyers (many of them) and as a designer I do know what is protected and how it works. Good luck proving your design is 20% different, to one person its going to be 9% to another 15%, there is no measurable variable, its all subjective...

The last thing I would worry about is someone stealing my idea.



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #232, 06-04-2013 11:30 PM
      Makes me wonder if I need to do this for the tail light lenses that I am in the process of making in the Mall section.

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #233, 06-04-2013 11:50 PM
      I won't be needing your medical expertise, but thanks for the love. Yes a sledgehammer. Unless you are Michelangelo that chunk of foam is headed for disaster. I want to help. If you don't like the firebird grill, try drawing out the outline of the grill on a large piece of cardboard. Then use a can of in-expensive spray foam to trace the outline of the grill, like one to two inches thick. After it dries shape it with a file and cover with foil. Lay on lightweight glass and body filler to form a model. Knock that snout off and hold your newly formed grill up to the frame. You will see that you need a lot less material to make it look proportional and span the area between the fenders, hood and grill. Look at the photo shops and a see what I mean by proportional. Also you seem little hot headed. If that hunk of foam is indicative of your surgical skills I hope your brother is a malpractice attorney. Just kidding really. On with the build. I just want this forum to remain a place for " free" exchange of ideas. Not a legal mine field.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #234, 06-04-2013 11:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboNot worried one bit, just covering my own and thus the parties invalled on azzesby:

Okay. I agree it is a private matter. The 20% thing isn't true. The OEM's (BMW, Audi, Mclaren, Volvo) I worked for also have lawyers (many of them) and as a designer I do know what is protected and how it works. Good luck proving your design is 20% different, to one person its going to be 9% to another 15%, there is no measurable variable, its all subjective...

The last thing I would worry about is someone stealing my idea.


I'm not worried one bit.
Just covering my and the other parties involed in this projects own azzes.
That being said, I also have worked as an Aerospace Engineer, Hell helped develope the first 360 degree camera on a helo that chased OJ Simpson and know what the laws are too. I changed my degree becuase I was bored.
Doesn't matter about what perspective is - heck just look at Clinton.

All I care about at this point is getting back to the build - not this petty crap.;
God loves you and so do I. God has blessed me and I pray for any of those who post on this thread to be of positve process and uplift your brethren. We have too much petty downdraft in this world to just go arounfd throwing thoguths and accusations to just sit around and play smart people who think that just because they can put something down that maybe they should.
Let's keep it simple folks
keep it clean,
Speak good of one another
and I will do the same
Thank you and God Bless you if you post.
Thank you for your thoughts
Jason



FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #235, 06-04-2013 11:54 PM
      Something to clarify the 10% rule. Page 132 All elements article.

http://books.google.com/boo...t%20change%20rule%20 %20for%20patent&f=false

http://drawsketch.about.com...es/a/copyright_2.htm

http://painting.about.com/c.../f/copyrightfaq6.htm

http://tacticalip.com/2012/...ign-around-a-patent/

... Myth whether you talk about art, or design...


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #236, 06-05-2013 12:04 AM
      GTR

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #237, 06-05-2013 12:05 AM
      As evidenced by "Fierogtlt1" others are already thinking of protecting their stuff......slippery slope. I will leave you alone point made.

Pete Matos MSG #238, 06-05-2013 12:52 AM
      Wow this is just nutz. I mean I can certainly understand protecting yourself and your ideas when it comes to money. However what I can't understand is the idea that you guys have a simple drawing and have not even made a prototype yet and you are already worried about copyrights? I mean the reality is that this product, if it ever actually becomes a product, is made for a car that is no longer made and the following is very much quite limited even in these circles that I would be really surprised if you actually sold more than a dozen of these noses once the prototyping and mold making stages are completed. The kind of profit you could expect from the sale of these things would most likely never come close to paying for even a single lawsuit to protect the design. There are several other folks here who make all sorts of cool and interesting body parts and interior parts many with the possibility of a lot more volume and I don't recall reading about their applications for a patent or copyright let alone lawyering up family lawyer or otherwise. To be honest with you it would have been much better appearing if you indeed were after some sorta patent to just keep quiet about it and once the product is actually ready for sale just make a webpage and put the patent information in the details there. Honestly like I said while the design is definitely not my cup of tea it has some merit obviously and I sincerely wish you the best of luck with it. Just do yourself a favor and leave the patent and lawyer stuff aside until you actually need it. Good luck with it man. peace

Pete



coady MSG #239, 06-05-2013 07:55 AM
      any new updates on the bumper.... want to see it and not read all this other stuff......
guys keep doing what your doing and hopefully all will work out...


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #240, 06-05-2013 12:07 PM
      Yeah That

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #241, 06-05-2013 01:14 PM
      I don't understand the "sledghammer" remark. This thing basically just came out of the cardboard form that we used to hold the foam while it set up. We've just made a few rough cuts and have a long way to go before it will be time to pull the scalpel out of the tool box. I appreciate constructive criticism and will consider all suggestions. Thanks for watching. If we never sell ONE of these, it doesn't matter. We are doing what we want and enjoying every minute of it! I think that's what it's really all about.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #242, 06-05-2013 04:56 PM
      so here we go, another round of iGTO building!!
Here, we are drawing out some of the features: (BoostDreamer will post more pics tonight - His camera is better!!
Oh, and get a japanese flat saw - best thing in the world!!





Pete Matos MSG #243, 06-05-2013 06:22 PM
      LOL yeah I agree, my old professional woodworking colleague affectionately referred to them as "Jap Slappers" They are AMAZING saws and make a typical handsaw look like it has teeth made from rubber. Especially in something like foam it would just rip thru. I have a small one as well as the large one I believe it is called a dozuki or something like that LOL...peace

Pete



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #244, 06-05-2013 06:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

LOL yeah I agree, my old professional woodworking colleague affectionately referred to them as "Jap Slappers" They are AMAZING saws and make a typical handsaw look like it has teeth made from rubber. Especially in something like foam it would just rip thru. I have a small one as well as the large one I believe it is called a dozuki or something like that LOL...peace

Pete


I know right....these things are frickin awesome!!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #245, 06-05-2013 07:04 PM
      Got some work done today. I think we're on the right path.

We started by leveling the car. We went by the rocker panels, the rear trunk surround, and the radiator mount.









We broke our sledge hammer last session so we had to resort to other precision instruments.



Here we drew the general placement and size of the grill openings.



After that, we worked on the driver's side. We left the center section undone so we can match it to the other side later.

















fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #246, 06-05-2013 08:01 PM
      Damn.... That is looking Sweet Love It....

[This message has been edited by fierogtlt1 (edited 06-05-2013).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #247, 06-05-2013 10:47 PM
     

This is really cool.


coady MSG #248, 06-05-2013 11:03 PM
      ok now im startin to get some wood lookin at this.... I WANT MORE PICS LOL
things are lookin great!!! igto will be mine mine muahhhhh....


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #249, 06-06-2013 12:13 AM
      I Know what you mean, I am lovin' this (not to be confused with a McDonalds commercial) LOL

( edited for the purpose that I have had a beer ) even more LOL


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #250, 06-06-2013 12:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Got some work done today. I think we're on the right path.

We started by leveling the car. We went by the rocker panels, the rear trunk surround, and the radiator mount.









We broke our sledge hammer last session so we had to resort to other precision instruments.



Here we drew the general placement and size of the grill openings.



After that, we worked on the driver's side. We left the center section undone so we can match it to the other side later.



















We are awesome!!!



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #251, 06-06-2013 12:59 AM
      Sorry for asking...But what kind of foam are you using?

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #252, 06-06-2013 08:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

Sorry for asking...But what kind of foam are you using?


It is a 2-pound 2-part liquid that is mixed in equal proportions. Not sure if it has a name. It is expensive though. We have over $150 in foam.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #253, 06-06-2013 08:40 AM
      A special note to our fans: Thank you so much for watching and showing so much interest! Your positive comments really do help. It is very nice to get encouragement from those who we most want to please, Our Forum Members. Please keep the comments coming! They are a great source of energy and inspiration!

Thanks again,


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #254, 06-06-2013 12:10 PM
      It's looking Beeping fantastic!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #255, 06-06-2013 01:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

Sorry for asking...But what kind of foam are you using?


it is actually called 2 part urethane foam. you want the 2lb density edition if you are covering a large area - and 3lb can be used for smaller areas.

BE SURE to get the "hard type" for there is another - it is used to make car seat foam and it is very spongy thus cannot be used for this type application. Hope this helps.

Jason



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #256, 06-06-2013 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:


it is actually called 2 part urethane foam. you want the 2lb density edition if you are covering a large area - and 3lb can be used for smaller areas.

BE SURE to get the "hard type" for there is another - it is used to make car seat foam and it is very spongy thus cannot be used for this type application. Hope this helps.

Jason


THANK YOU again and keep up the AWESOME work


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #257, 06-06-2013 05:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:


THANK YOU again and keep up the AWESOME work


Thank You and We Will keep up the AWESOMENESS!!



hypo327 (mickey_327@verizon.net) MSG #258, 06-07-2013 12:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

A new body mod may be on the horizon. Jason CrazyDragn and I have decided to attempt to re-create the look of the Pontiac GTO nose from the '68-69 year cars for a Fiero. Terry 85SEnochie helped to put my idea into visual form on his Photoshop thread. He did several pics for me and these are my two favorites.





There has been a little bit of interest from several forum members who would like for this nose to be produced and made available. That may be far in the future but we at least are at a beginning.

Wish us luck and advice is welcome! We are not fiberglass experts so we'll take all the help we can get!




That really looks good in black, because it makes it look smaller. I think it really makes a notchie look richer!


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #259, 06-07-2013 01:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hypo327:


That really looks good in black, because it makes it look smaller. I think it really makes a notchie look richer!


Did you notice that the yellow notchie is a choptop and the black "fastback" has a shortened sail area that only extends half way to the rear of the deck lid? The black car is more representitive of what my car will be when done. Glad you like it!



Roberthetrucker MSG #260, 06-07-2013 03:13 AM
      I love the chin forward version...the black notchie is incredible...every detail!!! It's classy yet agressive...you guys rock!!

420ponies MSG #261, 06-07-2013 06:10 AM
      This is fantastic! I really like the look of the black gt with the gto panel ( I have a '88 notchback) . Now I have to save up for one on mine. I just got ahold of a nice '88 nose. guess it will go "in the attic" with the other parts now. I thinkin' the same paint scheme also. Keep up the good work.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #262, 06-07-2013 10:40 AM
      Nothing better than turning on the computer for the first time in the morning and seeing new people getting excited about our work! Thanks guys! YOU ROCK!!



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #263, 06-07-2013 11:05 AM
      Now you know if this turns out like everyone hopes...you might have some requests to more custom bumper work

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #264, 06-07-2013 12:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Nothing better than turning on the computer for the first time in the morning and seeing new people getting excited about our work! Thanks guys! YOU ROCK!!



you must have had a good night or something because I cannot help but notice that you didn't turn your computer on till 10:40am



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #265, 06-07-2013 12:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Now you know if this turns out like everyone hopes...you might have some requests to more custom bumper work


That won't hurt my feelings one bit! I am also back in school learning welding. I've already got my first certification but I'll need another year to get my degree. I plan to specialize in TIG welding aluminum and stainless so I can make custom parts and gas tanks, etc. After this project is done, I'd like to enclose half of my carport and set up my welding stuff and work from home. I don't know if I can make a LIVING like that but I'm sure it would pay for some toys!

Crazydragn and I work well together. We see things a little differently and when we've explained ourselves to each other, we have been able to find solutions that please us both. Either that or I'm too demanding and he gives in! LOL I'd be more than willing to take on something else after this. I think he would, too.

He's the "big picture" guy and I'm the detail guy. He has experience with the fiberglass process and an art background. I'm very picky and meticulous in designs and I'm not too bad with the knife. If it doesn't look good or work right, I don't want anyone to know I did it! I'm a firm believer in wanting it done right so I need to do it myself. I've seen too much apathy from "professionals" of all sorts of trades. I want to set the bar of quality so high, even I have trouble reaching it.

Somebody posted in another thread about a guy who had about $400 in labor fixing an old fender that could have been bought new for $250. That sounds about like me. I get caught up in details that probably nobody else would notice. Somebody usually has to tell me when it's good enough. I drive my wife crazy when I'm folding clothes! LOL




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #266, 06-07-2013 12:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

you must have had a good night or something because I cannot help but notice that you didn't turn your computer on till 10:40am


Stayed up til 2:30am doing homework. Yeah, it was a blast!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #267, 06-07-2013 03:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
That won't hurt my feelings one bit! I am also back in school learning welding. I've already got my first certification but I'll need another year to get my degree. I plan to specialize in TIG welding aluminum and stainless so I can make custom parts and gas tanks, etc. After this project is done, I'd like to enclose half of my carport and set up my welding stuff and work from home. I don't know if I can make a LIVING like that but I'm sure it would pay for some toys!

Crazydragn and I work well together. We see things a little differently and when we've explained ourselves to each other, we have been able to find solutions that please us both. Either that or I'm too demanding and he gives in! LOL I'd be more than willing to take on something else after this. I think he would, too.

He's the "big picture" guy and I'm the detail guy. He has experience with the fiberglass process and an art background.


It wouldn't hurt my feelings either. These are the type of things I enjoy doing and toying with.
Yes, we work well together and we both bring stuff to the table such as perspectives, and know how.
I have 2 years of Aerospace engineering, design and fabrication, and a Bachelors in Business and a Minor in Healthcare too. I also have plaques from design awards won thru the years

With both our experience and expertice, I think will have a winner, even if it is just for us. (but we look forawrd to making it available to everyone)



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #268, 06-07-2013 05:13 PM
      Guys...PM sent

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #269, 06-07-2013 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Guys...PM sent


PM replied



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #270, 06-09-2013 10:02 PM
      cant wait for the next!! can you?



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #271, 06-09-2013 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

cant wait for the next!! can you?

No sorry....I can't wait.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #272, 06-10-2013 01:51 AM
      School is getting in the way! My on-line class is killing me! Algebra, Trig, and Physics for my summer session. This sucks.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #273, 06-10-2013 10:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

School is getting in the way! My on-line class is killing me! Algebra, Trig, and Physics for my summer session. This sucks.



It's OK , I only have to word two (2) days this week. LOL



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #274, 06-10-2013 11:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

It's OK , I only have to work two (2) days this week. LOL



I'm going to see if I can arrange a full moon so you'll have to go in!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #275, 06-10-2013 11:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I'm going to see if I can arrange a full moon so you'll have to go in!


you know 'Blue Moon' is my favorite! (but I know where your going with the psych of it) LOL



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #276, 06-13-2013 06:52 AM
      Hoping to get more started this Friday, we will see what Boostdreamers schedule is.


Axdrenalin MSG #277, 06-13-2013 02:50 PM
      Boost, I'm going to have to make another drive down your way to check this little project out. You guys are really getting creative with this, and it's going to be a blast to see how the finished product looks when it's complete. Did you get your '85 all finished up and back together?

Robert


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #278, 06-14-2013 12:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Axdrenalin:

Boost, I'm going to have to make another drive down your way to check this little project out. You guys are really getting creative with this, and it's going to be a blast to see how the finished product looks when it's complete. Did you get your '85 all finished up and back together?

Robert


Robert, come back any time! You're more than welcome to sit in on one of our sculpting sessions. We don't bite!

The '85 is still basically a rolling frame. Haven't done much to it. I'm still keeping the build thread going but it has kinda switched gears focusing on my '86. (link in sig) I thought I was going to have some time to work on the '85 this summer but school is much tougher than I thought. It's almost 1am and I just finished my homework. We wanted to get together tomorrow (today) but I'm still not caught up on my on-line class. It is really kicking my butt! It keeps a count of how long I spend logged in and I already have over 12 hours on it. I've not spent that much time on my other two classroom classes COMBINED!! The good news is that I took my first on-line test and got a 92. I'll take it!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #279, 06-14-2013 01:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


Robert, come back any time! You're more than welcome to sit in on one of our sculpting sessions. We don't bite!

The '85 is still basically a rolling frame. Haven't done much to it. I'm still keeping the build thread going but it has kinda switched gears focusing on my '86. (link in sig) I thought I was going to have some time to work on the '85 this summer but school is much tougher than I thought. It's almost 1am and I just finished my homework. We wanted to get together tomorrow (today) but I'm still not caught up on my on-line class. It is really kicking my butt! It keeps a count of how long I spend logged in and I already have over 12 hours on it. I've not spent that much time on my other two classroom classes COMBINED!! The good news is that I took my first on-line test and got a 92. I'll take it!


We can do something over the weekend if your classes will allow (and the wife )



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #280, 06-14-2013 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

We can do something over the weekend if your classes will allow (and the wife )



I spent the day fixing a huge oil leak on my GT! That will kill my chances of working on the bumper. You should go check out the Gray Fair Grounds this weekend. My church is doing a car and bike show and the guys from Duck Dynasty will be there. It's prolly all free but I'm not sure.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #281, 06-14-2013 11:13 PM
      Ahg, I have to go to Ashville NC for a seminar that teaches women how defend themselves against rape or domestic attack - so that I can show this at my schools. Maybe Sunday after Church we can meet up?



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #282, 06-18-2013 02:00 PM
      We're hoping to get together tomorrow afternoon for some more sculpting! Rain, rain, go away!!



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #283, 06-18-2013 02:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

We're hoping to get together tomorrow afternoon for some more sculpting! Rain, rain, go away!!


WOOHOO.......Finally..I have been waiting for a update.
Keep up the AWESOME job..



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #284, 06-19-2013 08:24 PM
      OK, here we go - we did some more shaping today, see what ya think:

Here is where we rounded the fender to be more like a sdtock formula fender and we took out the right side grill area for shaping


Here you can see where took out the grill area on the passenger side


Shaping the nose


Shaping the nose still


This is an angle to see the nose taking shape


Another angle for nose shape


Here we are starting to cut the lower air dam and forward scoop


still shaping air dam (we were adding more foam to the top because the angle of the front top of the nose of the whole bumper isn't where we want it, so we are adding more foam to get the shape we want)


Here you cannot see the air dam pockets that allow air into the radiator but they are there. Also, we still need to finish shaping passenger side fender to match drivers. (alot of measuring taking place here )




fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #285, 06-19-2013 09:14 PM
      It is starting to take shape better.But IMO I would round the outside corners a little more instead of a sharp edge.Just my opinion.Take it or leave it.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #286, 06-19-2013 09:30 PM
      And even more pics!

My big project for the day was to re-do the driver's side of the bumper where it meets the wheel well. I noticed in earlier shots that although the shape looked good by itself, the lines didn't flow well enough. Upon further investigation, I could clearly see that our bumper was too thick near the wheel well. I found this out by comparing our iGTO bumper with my other Fieros' stock bumpers. Basically, I had to completely re-cut that side and smooth it all out again. It was worth it. It looks much better now and will work very well with stock fenders. That is a MUST for our designs.



















When I was satisfied with that, I looked at the grill openings that Crazy Dragn had cut out. We were happy with them but were concerned about having enough foam material in the center for the point. That was my next project. I started shaping the center of the grill and with some good observations and ideas from Crazy Dragn, I think it is going in the right direction.







We had to add some extra foam to the corners of the bumper and would have liked to add more on top. We had some low areas in the corners and the top needed to be built up a bit more. After trying a couple of different techniques, we were able to get the foam built up on the sides and a little extra on the top. We're dangerously low on two-part foam! Who needs floor mats?!?!







We had been working pretty hard and were surprised at how little time had gone by. We started to work on the chin spoiler a little more. It's looking good. Needs more work but it's getting there.



It was an amazing day. I would not have believed we could make so much progress in one afternoon. I get more excited about this bumper each time we work on it. I wanted to put it on my '85 project but I'm not going to be able to wait. The first one will have to go on my GT!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #287, 06-19-2013 09:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

It is starting to take shape better.But IMO I would round the outside corners a little more instead of a sharp edge.Just my opinion.Take it or leave it.


We agree completly. We just haven't gotten to final shaping yet.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #288, 06-19-2013 10:07 PM
      By the way, the turn signals are in their stock mounting brackets so they will be very visible from there. We will be hiding them with the grill inserts but the main point is that they will remain in the stock location wich, once again, means NO EXTRA MODIFICATIONS FOR THE INSTALLER-OWNER!!



mrfred8 MSG #289, 06-19-2013 10:10 PM
      awesome progress! I have never considered any of the other nose options out there, but I am in on this one. Will look great on my silver notchie.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #290, 06-19-2013 10:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfred8:

awesome progress! I have never considered any of the other nose options out there, but I am in on this one. Will look great on my silver notchie.



Thanks, mrfred! Means a lot! I have felt the same way about all the other front bumpers out there! Glad you like it!



Pete Matos MSG #291, 06-19-2013 10:33 PM
      Looking interesting guys, Starting to come together. Honestly IMHO the openings are a bit too tall for my taste but the rest of the shape is coming along nicely. Good luck with it. Peace

Pete



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #292, 06-19-2013 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Looking interesting guys, Starting to come together. Honestly IMHO the openings are a bit too tall for my taste but the rest of the shape is coming along nicely. Good luck with it. Peace

Pete


Pete, it may be too soon to tell. I expect the relationships to change a bit as the final shaping takes place. The grill openings are a MAJOR concern in making this bumper look right so if we're not pleased at the end, we'll modify or start over. Let us know if your opinion evolves as the project does. Thanks!



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #293, 06-19-2013 10:59 PM
      What headlights are you putting in there or are you keeping the pop ups?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #294, 06-20-2013 07:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

What headlights are you putting in there or are you keeping the pop ups?


As of now, we are sticking with the pop-ups. we may modify them for the Led's, not sure yet.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #295, 06-20-2013 08:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

As of now, we are sticking with the pop-ups. we may modify them for the Led's, not sure yet.


Definately sticking with the pop-ups! Mine work fine so I don't see any reason not to use them. The LED treatment is definately on the list of mods, though! They will require modifying existing headlight doors or creating brand new ones from fiberglass, etc. We may try to modify original ones first and if that doesn't work well, switch gears to copying them in fiberglass.

Headlights are very much of a personal preference thing. You might not like what I like and Jason might not like what you like. By not basing this bumper around any specific light kit, it remains attractive to the largest fan base possible.

You can see by the placement of the turn signals that using hide-away headlights will take some serious work. You'll either have to mount them in-board in the grills or move the turn signal's mounting points. For anyone who wants to do it, the turn signal bulb wiring has a few inches of slack to work with.



But that's just going with stock limitations. As long as you're willing to get your hands dirty for the headlights, there's no reason to not consider other lenses and bulbs as well as creative placement. With that comes cutting and splicing the wiring harness anyway. The only limitations are your imagination, your skill, and your checkbook.

We talked yesterday about smoked plexiglass being used in the grill inserts. I'm liking the sound of that right now.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #296, 06-20-2013 09:16 AM
      Looks great, guys (+'s).



Bob


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #297, 06-20-2013 10:23 AM
      Bob, Thanks for the (+)!! I've got some red in my bar that I'm trying to make up for!

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #298, 06-20-2013 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Looks great, guys (+'s).



Bob


hehe, mine don't even show up yet



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #299, 06-20-2013 04:24 PM
      Smoked plexiglass like LEXAN would look nice behind the grill insert.That way you only see the lights when in use.

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #300, 06-20-2013 04:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

Smoked plexiglass like LEXAN would look nice behind the grill insert.That way you only see the lights when in use.


DITTO ^


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #301, 06-20-2013 04:41 PM
      That's what we were thinking, boys! Great minds think alike!



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #302, 06-20-2013 05:03 PM
      It's gonna be BAD ASS!!!!

coady MSG #303, 06-21-2013 02:55 PM
      i agree it is gonna be super bad ass!!!!
keep it up...


CowsPatoot MSG #304, 06-21-2013 10:12 PM
      Starting to take shape nicely. Can we get a direct side profile shot?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #305, 06-21-2013 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CowsPatoot:

Starting to take shape nicely. Can we get a direct side profile shot?


CAn we get a bump on the floor mats?
I'll see if Boost can get that on here...



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #306, 06-21-2013 10:53 PM
      +'s for both of you for Pure Awesomeness..

CowsPatoot MSG #307, 06-22-2013 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:


CAn we get a bump on the floor mats?
I'll see if Boost can get that on here...


Will tomorrow work for that? I want to show a pic of how nice they look installed...and have been embarrassed to show them in my old interior. New interior should be done tomorrow.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #308, 06-22-2013 07:21 AM
      No problem. I hope you are satisfied with them - they are really cool.

Side shots of the car will be coming up soon. It's \hard to get a side shot because of location but, i'm sure its do-able.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #309, 06-22-2013 02:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CowsPatoot:

Starting to take shape nicely. Can we get a direct side profile shot?






coady MSG #310, 06-22-2013 05:54 PM
      that side profile look great!!! cant wait till its on my car lol

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #311, 06-22-2013 06:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

+'s for both of you for Pure Awesomeness..


Thanks for the + !



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #312, 06-22-2013 07:02 PM
     

 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

that side profile look great!!! cant wait till its on my car lol


Thanks! It's still just a "general" shape. You can see that the center point is too vertical compared to the angle of the grills. We'll have to shave the point down to match the angle of the grill openings and then shape and smooth the sides of the point again. Sculpting is very much a process of finding the lowest common denominator of both sides of a shape.



N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #313, 06-22-2013 08:50 PM
      Man I was skeptical at first going by the photoshops, but they were just photoshops. It is starting to look REALLY good and I will need a new front bumper on my Formula anyway.. Lol.

NetCam MSG #314, 06-22-2013 09:51 PM
      I'm pretty excited about this, starting to look amazing. Almost glad my painter isn't able to take my car yet!





CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #315, 06-22-2013 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NetCam:

I'm pretty excited about this, starting to look amazing. Almost glad my painter isn't able to take my car yet!



Hehehe, wait till you see whats next.........(input sinister looking grin here)



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #316, 06-22-2013 11:00 PM
      I'm waiting impatiently.......But seriously keep up the great work......
Maybe a new rear bumper next...I can wish right?


coady MSG #317, 06-23-2013 12:32 AM
      that short fast back would be a great thing to follow this project....

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #318, 06-23-2013 11:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

that short fast back would be a great thing to follow this project....


Why, yes it would!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #319, 06-26-2013 11:16 PM
      hehehe
just wait!
Wait till I get back from Hilton Head Island, SC



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #320, 07-03-2013 02:55 AM
      Hey, guys.
I will not be able to work on the project Wednesday as planned. My wife is in the hospital and it is very serious. She will have to under a heart cath on Wednesday and possibly a stint, if not a stint then worse case open heart by-pass surgery. We just got back from vacation too.
All prayers are excepted and would be greatly appreciated.
Help us let God heal her, then we can get started again.
thank you in advance,
Jason



johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #321, 07-03-2013 09:53 AM
      We will keep her in our family's prayers. Please pass our best to her!

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #322, 07-03-2013 11:49 AM
      You both are in my thoughts & prayers!

coady MSG #323, 07-03-2013 12:01 PM
      prayers of healing going out to your family my friend.....

mcguiver3 MSG #324, 07-04-2013 08:40 PM
      We wish her good luck and a speedy recovery.

Keep us posted on her condition

Bob


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #325, 07-05-2013 09:26 AM
      UPDATE:
Praise GOD!! there are no signs of heart attack or heart desease. Heart cath went well.

We go Monday to have Gallbladder looked at, for it is enlarged and may be the culprit.



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #326, 07-05-2013 09:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

UPDATE:
Praise GOD!! there are no signs of heart attack or heart desease. Heart cath went well.

We go Monday to have Gallbladder looked at, for it is enlarged and may be the culprit.



That's good to hear.

Joe


mcguiver3 MSG #327, 07-05-2013 09:51 PM
      Great news,
Hope all continues to go well
prayers do help

Bob


Sourmug MSG #328, 07-05-2013 09:57 PM
      Good news indeed. You are also in my prayers.

Nolan


CaptDale (dylan_sailing@hotmail.com) MSG #329, 07-05-2013 10:11 PM
      Glad to hear she is doing better. I hope everything goes well. I love your thread.

kyunderdawg MSG #330, 07-06-2013 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

UPDATE:
Praise GOD!! there are no signs of heart attack or heart desease. Heart cath went well.

We go Monday to have Gallbladder looked at, for it is enlarged and may be the culprit.



Wow. Sorry to hear about this. Glad it's not what ya'll originally thought. Will add to the prayer list, 'Dragn.

Hopefully soon I'll bring the family down and over for a weekend visit to see the project........oh, and to visit Jonathan and yourself too of course .

Paul


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #331, 07-06-2013 09:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kyunderdawg:

Hopefully soon I'll bring the family down and over for a weekend visit to see the project........oh, and to visit Jonathan and yourself too of course .

Paul


Paul, you are welcome here any time! Just let us know when to expect you. The iGTO bumper may be officially on hold for a little bit while Jason is taking care of his family but I'd be happy to show you our work. I didn't want to upset Jason by working on it in his absense but he's assured me that that will never be an issue. I may get out there and work on it a little bit more in a day or two. I know you guys want to see some progress and we have set a deadline goal for ourselves to push toward.

By the way, this is an OFFICIAL open invitation to any member who finds himself in this area and wants to come by. We'll look at the bumper then sit on the deck drinking a cold Coke and talk Fieros!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #332, 07-09-2013 12:37 PM
      Update:

Went in monday for check on gallbladder and now have another scan set up for friday morning at 9am.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #333, 07-13-2013 06:10 PM
      Did more work on the nose today, can't wait till jon posts the pics up!!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #334, 07-13-2013 06:15 PM
      Jason and I got together today for another work session. We did some minor shaping and then covered most of the foam with mud. This is also sandable so we are still far from finished. We had some low spots in the foam so this was used to level those areas. It will also harden so it will provide some protection to the foam. I've been worried about it since it is for the most part out in the open. You just can't tell when a basketball might take an ugly bounce against it or a dog leash might get rubbed down the side. You just never know what MIGHT happen so this will give us some peace of mind.















fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #335, 07-13-2013 08:20 PM
      Now it just needs some black honeycomb inserts.

coady MSG #336, 07-13-2013 09:43 PM
      lookin good
what do you think is a realistic time that you will pull the first complete one out and have it ready to mount? 6 months? a year?
just wondering as i have a few other expensive purchases to make but want to keep some cash freed up for this.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #337, 07-13-2013 09:50 PM
      We were pushing for September but I think end of October is more realistic.



coady MSG #338, 07-13-2013 10:10 PM
      and do you have a ball park figure for price?

fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #339, 07-13-2013 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

We were pushing for September but I think end of October is more realistic.

That's AWESOME.....About the same time my new Center Console Skeleton's will be done..



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #340, 07-13-2013 10:59 PM
      We were discussing the question about price. I think that is still up in the air due to the need of knowing how people would like one made. Let's see how people want one before we make a price, so now is your time to speak up or get your friends involved.
Make your voice known, the more people speak up = the lower the price.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #341, 07-13-2013 11:17 PM
      There are still variables to work out and they will have costs associated with them. The grills alone can have a number of different features. There is also the matter of how to address the different beltline mouldings. Then we will have to see how many pieces the master mold will have to be divided into, etc.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #342, 07-13-2013 11:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

There are still variables to work out and they will have costs associated with them. The grills alone can have a number of different features. There is also the matter of how to address the different beltline mouldings. Then we will have to see how many pieces the master mold will have to be divided into, etc.



Absolutely.

Start Sounding off



Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #343, 07-14-2013 01:25 AM
      I was considering the F355 nose until I saw this. I'd buy yours for the same price and quality.

Ang84Indy MSG #344, 07-14-2013 04:57 AM
      The nose is looking great guys!

Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #345, 07-14-2013 10:12 AM
      Just FYI, the body putty isn't very durable either. Even after it dries, you can gouge it with your fingernail. So you should still be very careful around it. It will also absorb water. So keeping it dry is important.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #346, 07-14-2013 11:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:

I was considering the F355 nose until I saw this. I'd buy yours for the same price and quality.


That says a lot! Thank you for your interest and support! The level of quality we are shooting for will set the bar. Can we accomplish that? Only time will tell but just be assured that it is a HUGE consideration for us.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #347, 07-14-2013 11:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ang84Indy:

The nose is looking great guys!


Keep the encouragement coming! It really does help!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #348, 07-14-2013 11:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Just FYI, the body putty isn't very durable either. Even after it dries, you can gouge it with your fingernail. So you should still be very careful around it. It will also absorb water. So keeping it dry is important.


Thanks for the tip!

The season change is working for us in this respect. It has been a very wet spring and hopefully we'll see some dryer weather soon. Also this is a transition step so hopefully we will be able to get to the fiberglass step soon and eliminate all moisture concerns.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #349, 07-15-2013 02:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Just FYI, the body putty isn't very durable either. Even after it dries, you can gouge it with your fingernail. So you should still be very careful around it. It will also absorb water. So keeping it dry is important.


Not bondo or gel coat. : :



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #350, 07-15-2013 10:09 PM
      Gel coat won't absorb moisture, but Bondo putty will.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #351, 07-17-2013 05:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Gel coat won't absorb moisture, but Bondo putty will.


All we are doing currently at the moment is flatening out all the surfaces so that when we start applying all the chemicals and fiberglass, we will be able to pull off a mould that we can make multiple copies of.

We are off to a great start getting all the measurements almost done in all, but we still have a ways to go.

The main thing now is that we are looking into plexan and joint fiberglas for the grill with multiple options...



coady MSG #352, 07-17-2013 05:58 PM
      keep it up!! looks great!!!! have changed the direction i was going with my project to better suit your nose so DO NOT give up on it. LOL
But on a more important note how is your wife feeling now?
coady


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #353, 07-18-2013 10:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

keep it up!! looks great!!!! have changed the direction i was going with my project to better suit your nose so DO NOT give up on it. LOL
But on a more important note how is your wife feeling now?
coady


She feels the same right now, however she is very grumpy. Going to have gallbladder surgery on July 30th and have it removed. Maybe things will get back to normal (I hope).
Thanks for asking Coady



coady MSG #354, 07-18-2013 01:02 PM
      tell her not to worry i had my galbladder out last year and was back to work the next day

coady MSG #355, 07-18-2013 01:05 PM
     

shave that goatee down a bit and from that angle we could be twins or at least closely related.......
all i can say is what a good looking man...lol


IROCTAFIERO MSG #356, 07-19-2013 11:14 AM
      Not my style but you guys are doing great work.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #357, 07-20-2013 02:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IROCTAFIERO:

Not my style but you guys are doing great work.


Thanks for the comps



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #358, 07-20-2013 05:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:


All we are doing currently at the moment is flatening out all the surfaces so that when we start applying all the chemicals and fiberglass, we will be able to pull off a mould that we can make multiple copies of.

We are off to a great start getting all the measurements almost done in all, but we still have a ways to go.

The main thing now is that we are looking into plexan and joint fiberglas for the grill with multiple options...


That's cool. I'm not trying to poo-poo your project or anything, just offering advice.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #359, 07-20-2013 05:56 PM
     



I've been thinking about the design and these two photoshops since the last time we worked on the bumper. I'm not satisfied with the top "horizontal" surface in the middle, just above where it comes to a point on the front. On the yellow car it is just too flat. That's the way the bumper is looking now.



I think it is time for an eleventh-hour change and add more of an upward pointing point in that area and blend it down to the front. I don't know if that makes any sense but I promise it will make it better.

Jonathan

[This message has been edited by Boostdreamer (edited 07-20-2013).]

fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #360, 07-20-2013 06:16 PM
      You know what would be a nice addition to this bumper?
A Pontiac emblem shaped sidemarker like on the old GTO's.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #361, 07-20-2013 06:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

You know what would be a nice addition to this bumper?
A Pontiac emblem shaped sidemarker like on the old GTO's.


We are talking about a few options, just stay tuned.......



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #362, 07-20-2013 08:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:


We are talking about a few options, just stay tuned.......



One of our concerns is how to address the two different beltline mouldings. Since the smooth moulding markers are different lengths than the ribbed markers, we are still trying to decide what to do.

1. Make the bumper work with smooth only since that option seems to be the most popular?
2. Make two versions of the bumper. One with smooth, one with ribbed?
3. Delete the moulding and do something custom (like an Arrowhead marker light)?
4. Do nothing and sell the bumper in a "some finishing required" state?

It's hard to know what the right thing to do will be.




fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #363, 07-20-2013 11:11 PM
      Number 3 of course!!!!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #364, 07-21-2013 07:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


One of our concerns is how to address the two different beltline mouldings. Since the smooth moulding markers are different lengths than the ribbed markers, we are still trying to decide what to do.

1. Make the bumper work with smooth only since that option seems to be the most popular?
2. Make two versions of the bumper. One with smooth, one with ribbed?
3. Delete the moulding and do something custom (like an Arrowhead marker light)?
4. Do nothing and sell the bumper in a "some finishing required" state?

It's hard to know what the right thing to do will be.



You could try to make an insert. This would allow you to put in different options when the actual piece is molded.

Bob


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #365, 07-21-2013 10:45 AM
      Another option that Boost forgot to mention was that we were thinking of making the belt siding for the ribbed available as an option detachable piece that could be either ordered seperatly or all together therefor not having to make 2 bumper but keeping the one bumper with the optional applyable belt side molding.



mrfred8 MSG #366, 07-22-2013 07:42 PM
      +1 for ribbed

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #367, 07-23-2013 09:48 AM
      I'm concerned about the availability of the pointed end of the ribbed moulding as seen on SE aero cars.



Are they available anywhere new? Anyone who has a bumperpad is going to need that piece. Likewise for "Formula" bumpers, you'll need the smooth moulding point found on GTs.



If you already have the aero bumper, you will have to remove and re-use those pieces. They are held on by two studs and nuts.




fieroguru MSG #368, 07-23-2013 10:27 AM
      The bigger issue is the rear portion of the ribbed molding is molded in the fascia whereas the smooth round molding isn't and the removable piece is longer.

If you want to offer a ribbed version, you will either have to add the ribbed portion to the mold, or make a seperate short ribbed section that could be installed along with the ribbed marker light.


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #369, 07-23-2013 11:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I'm concerned about the availability of the pointed end of the ribbed moulding as seen on SE aero cars.



Are they available anywhere new? Anyone who has a bumperpad is going to need that piece. Likewise for "Formula" bumpers, you'll need the smooth moulding point found on GTs.



If you already have the aero bumper, you will have to remove and re-use those pieces. They are held on by two studs and nuts.



I am in the process of making new Center Console Skeletons so I
could possibly take this project on too.Just let me know if you need some help with that.I would just prefer to change the bolts to metal
versus plastic ones that are easily broken.I have a smooth version that I can get specs from,now I just need a grooved version to see if I can get one to get the specs for making replacements.

[This message has been edited by fierogtlt1 (edited 07-23-2013).]

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #370, 07-23-2013 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

The bigger issue is the rear portion of the ribbed molding is molded in the fascia whereas the smooth round molding isn't and the removable piece is longer.

If you want to offer a ribbed version, you will either have to add the ribbed portion to the mold, or make a seperate short ribbed section that could be installed along with the ribbed marker light.


Absolutely correct. Something we are thinking about as well.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #371, 07-23-2013 03:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

I am in the process of making new Center Console Skeletons so I
could possibly take this project on too.Just let me know if you need some help with that.I would just prefer to change the bolts to metal
versus plastic ones that are easily broken.I have a smooth version that I can get specs from,now I just need a grooved version to see if I can get one to get the specs for making replacements.



PM sent.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #372, 07-23-2013 03:17 PM
      We just wrapped up a short session of bumper work. We ended up using most of our time for R&D and discussing some of the challenges we are facing. We did manage to get our hands on the bumper, though. Here are the newest pics! As always, questions and comments are welcome and encouraged. They keep the thread and the excitement rolling! We hope you like these!















CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #373, 07-23-2013 09:35 PM
      We are going to meet back up this friday, got a few new ideas



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #374, 07-24-2013 12:27 AM
      It's looking AWESOME!!!!

Pete Matos MSG #375, 07-24-2013 01:16 PM
      At the risk of sounding negative and if I do I am sorry, but IMHO it is way too blocky looking and the openings are too large and too squared off. This idea has potential but the way it looks right now personally I'm just not feeling it. Also the distance from the front of the nose to the hood looks too short somehow and the overhang is just not right. Those photoshopped pictures of the black car with the nose looked promising but it seemed much sleeker looking and the openings were considerably smaller looking to my eyes. Like I said hate to sound negative because you guys are working hard on this obviously and it could be cool with some more work. Good luck with it man. Peace

Pete



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #376, 07-24-2013 01:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

At the risk of sounding negative and if I do I am sorry, but IMHO it is way too blocky looking and the openings are too large and too squared off. This idea has potential but the way it looks right now personally I'm just not feeling it. Also the distance from the front of the nose to the hood looks too short somehow and the overhang is just not right. Those photoshopped pictures of the black car with the nose looked promising but it seemed much sleeker looking and the openings were considerably smaller looking to my eyes. Like I said hate to sound negative because you guys are working hard on this obviously and it could be cool with some more work. Good luck with it man. Peace

Pete



Not a problem, Pete. You are exactly right. It is too blocky...so far. We are still doing rough work. There is rounding and blending and adding and subtracting yet to do. You can see in the recent pics above the wierd looking piece on top in the middle. That is a scrap piece of foam that we stuck back on to do some re-shaping. There are other areas like that, too. That first piece is a test to see if that technique will work for adding material. If it does not, we may have to re-foam in some places. I'll admit we have gotten a little aggressive in a few areas and we'll just have to fill it back up with putty or something.

As to the length of the nose to the hood, I was thinking the exact opposite recently. It looks shorter in the pics, I think. One of the illusions is that it is cut too low on top. That will have to be raised to meet the level of the hood.

Thanks for watching and keep the comments coming! We're (mostly) an open book.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #377, 07-24-2013 02:32 PM
      Additional inspiration.







Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #378, 07-24-2013 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:







I've been thinking about the design and these two photoshops since the last time we worked on the bumper. I'm not satisfied with the top "horizontal" surface in the middle, just above where it comes to a point on the front. On the yellow car it is just too flat. That's the way the bumper is looking now.

I think it is time for an eleventh-hour change and add more of an upward pointing point in that area and blend it down to the front. I don't know if that makes any sense but I promise it will make it better.

You can see in the recent pics above the wierd looking piece on top in the middle. That is a scrap piece of foam that we stuck back on to do some re-shaping. There are other areas like that, too. That first piece is a test to see if that technique will work for adding material.

Jonathan



I wanted to see if the "repair" technique would work so I went out and spent about 10 minutes on it and came up with this. This is the "concept" of what I want the top to be but it is still out of proportion and it needs to be blended in much better. The important part is that the nice pointy division between the grills doesn't have a flattop anymore. Also good to know is that we can use our putty to "glue" foam back on.
















fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #379, 07-24-2013 04:53 PM
      I LOVE IT...

fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #380, 07-28-2013 10:44 PM
     

Is my bumper done yet?
Hahaha...

[This message has been edited by fierogtlt1 (edited 07-28-2013).]

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #381, 07-29-2013 01:44 AM
      Love watching this project...
thought I'd do some virtual sanding on it



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #382, 07-29-2013 09:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Love watching this project...
thought I'd do some virtual sanding on it





Thisis awesomely close to what I think we have in mind



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #383, 07-29-2013 12:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Love watching this project...
thought I'd do some virtual sanding on it



.That totally kicks ass..



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #384, 07-29-2013 12:47 PM
      Me likey!



coady MSG #385, 07-29-2013 11:10 PM
      yes i must say that looks like what i was picturing in my mind

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #386, 08-03-2013 02:57 PM
      We are going to get together Tuesday Morning and work on the bumper. I may have a few thoughts about the grill and how to make it work.



coady MSG #387, 08-03-2013 03:29 PM
      cant wait

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #388, 08-03-2013 07:27 PM
      WOW Guys! Just amazing work.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #389, 08-04-2013 01:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

WOW Guys! Just amazing work.


Thanks!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #390, 08-06-2013 10:39 PM
      Did alot of work on the underside of the bumper today, Boost will post pics soon.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #391, 08-06-2013 11:30 PM
      Here we go!!

Jason came over this morning and busted out some work for you guys! I didn't get to help today because I was wrapped up in homework. I was a little bit of a consultant and cheerleader, though! LOL

The first thing Jason wanted to address was the big wart I had put on the top center the last time I worked on it. The big problem with it was the surrounding surface was too low so it made the hump look too big. Jason added material to the top and brought that surface much closer to being in line with the level of the hood. One of the things that has driven this project is the fact that none of the factory bumpers seem to extend the lines of the hood. The hood is not flat and it doesn't have a constant curve. It actually curves MORE as it extends forward. The factory bumpers don't extend that trend. Instead they abruptly change the angle to that of the bumper. The bumperpad bumper might actually address this issue better than the Formula or the Aero bumpers but how many of us are lining up to trade for the bumperpads? No offence, but I'm not a fan.

In this first shot, I wanted to show how the new bumper flows from the hood. It's not perfect yet but you can see we are going in the right direction. We want it to not only look good, we want it to look RIGHT!! If anyone ever assumes this bumper is factory original, I'll know we reached our goal.



This second shot shows the front spoiler. Jason finished up getting it all lined up from side to side. I think that was the last of the roughest cuts to be made. It's mostly tweaking from here!



Here is a better angle of the top center. Compare it to the one in my last post. Believe it or not, the "hump" wasn't changed at all. Jason just built up the area around it and smoothed it all together. It is still a little high but it can't get its final shape until we are happy with the main upper surface.



A side shot for comparison. Notice the lower edge of the "point". It is very obvious in this shot that flat was a mistake and we'll have to round the lower part down under to match the upper "hump". I guess we'll have to find a Wednesday to work on it!



Here's an area that we had to toy with. We tried several ways to style the radiator intakes. We tried squared, rounded, and a combination of the two. This is a generalization of what the final will be. We are actually going to narrow the outter edges and possibly narrow the middle separation. We will be keeping the "Tylenol capsule" look of the long slit with rounded ends.



That's it for now! I will enjoy two weeks off before next semester begins so hopefully I can work on it some (a bunch).

Now it's your turn! What do you think? Go!!




Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #392, 08-07-2013 02:17 AM
      Looking good. Almost there.

fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #393, 08-07-2013 04:13 PM
      It's looking great
Can't wait till they are for sale..


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #394, 08-08-2013 01:19 PM
      We are looking at next Wednesday as to getting us both on the project at the same time. We will more than likely get a whole lot done in that one day = getting closer



zkhennings MSG #395, 08-08-2013 02:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Instead they abruptly change the angle to that of the bumper. The bumperpad bumper might actually address this issue better than the Formula or the Aero bumpers but how many of us are lining up to trade for the bumperpads? No offence, but I'm not a fan.




I am offended! Jk but I do like my bumper pad... Kicking it old school... I guess not as old school as this bumper


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #396, 08-12-2013 09:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by zkhennings:


I am offended! Jk but I do like my bumper pad... Kicking it old school... I guess not as old school as this bumper


We are still going to be sanding down the bumper to look very similar to what is in the virtual picture above with still a few tweeks.
Were are still looking into the grill section before we do too much shaving on the inside.
Our main focus at the moments seems to be on making the bumers top edge look as factory made as possible but a "WOW" effect that pleases.
We are going to meet up in the middle of this week and put some major time on this to speed things up.
Jason



hercimer01 MSG #397, 08-12-2013 11:58 PM
     



hercimer01 MSG #398, 08-13-2013 12:07 AM
      Did you need these pieces still? I have some laying around.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #399, 08-13-2013 12:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hercimer01:

Did you need these pieces still? I have some laying around.



If you have a good pair of both the smooth and the ribbed points, I'd be interested in them!

I am currently in negotiations with another member for the production of something just a little different than the stock pieces. What I could really use would be two trashed Aero bumpers. One smooth moulding and one ribbed moulding. Anybody have one that is so bad you are about to throw it away? Got one that you are going to cut up to make an air dam or something? I need the upper side areas where the marker lights mount. Just cut them off and mail them. PM me.

EDIT: Request posted in the Mall - http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/066909.html


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #400, 08-13-2013 05:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


If you have a good pair of both the smooth and the ribbed points, I'd be interested in them!

I am currently in negotiations with another member for the production of something just a little different than the stock pieces. What I could really use would be two trashed Aero bumpers. One smooth moulding and one ribbed moulding. Anybody have one that is so bad you are about to throw it away? Got one that you are going to cut up to make an air dam or something? I need the upper side areas where the marker lights mount. Just cut them off and mail them. PM me.



Yes,that would be nice if someone would make replacements of these.

[This message has been edited by fierogtlt1 (edited 08-13-2013).]

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #401, 08-14-2013 09:36 PM
      Today we were looking into fabrications of the ribbed molding. We have a person who ay be helping us fabricate these. This is what we are talking about in the picture:


Here we are woking on rounding some of the edges:



Here we blacked out the inner sections to give the idea of what the grills would be like (we haven't shown the grills yet-hehe)


Here we started round the top corners:


Another side shot of the rounding:


Here is a side shot:



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #402, 08-15-2013 11:06 PM
      Nice.....
Keep up all this pure AWESOMENESS..


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #403, 08-16-2013 08:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

Keep up all this pure AWESOMENESS



I resumed the awesomeness today!

I didn't do anything picture worthy, just filled some low spots and sanded some high spots. I smoothed some areas that are pretty much ready for fiberglass. I re-worked one of the radiator inlets and added our white "secret sauce" to some of the bare areas of foam.

The big news is that if nothing breaks our stride, we will be ready to go to fiberglass by the first of September. With that in mind, we could be pulling new bumpers ready for sale around the first of October! The next big hurdle will be to see how well our first run turns out and determine if they are of the quality that we will be proud to pass on to you. If they are, great! If not, we will have to re-make the master mold to address the issues that come up.

As for you guys who have ribbed moulding on your cars, we are working on a solution for you to have matching moulding not only on OUR bumper but this solution should also work for Amida's bumper as well! I'm sure we'll be proud of that product and it will fill a supply void and make modified ribbed moulding cars have a matching, finished look. If a custom bumper isn't your thing, you guys will be able to easily switch to an Aero bumper as well, no matter what moulding it originally came with! So, I think it is a widely needed product and should be well received by the community.

The most difficult aspect of this project, believe it or not, is finding supplies for the grills. We will be holding out for materials that are just right and that may slow delivery. If it becomes too much of a hassle, we may let some go early if you want to create your own grills.

Keep watching!! We'll keep posting!




CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #404, 08-17-2013 08:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
white "secret sauce"


hehehehe



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #405, 08-17-2013 11:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I'm concerned about the availability of the pointed end of the ribbed moulding as seen on SE aero cars.



Are they available anywhere new? Anyone who has a bumperpad is going to need that piece. Likewise for "Formula" bumpers, you'll need the smooth moulding point found on GTs.



If you already have the aero bumper, you will have to remove and re-use those pieces. They are held on by two studs and nuts.



I already made smooth replacements with metal screws for a possible item to start selling...But I think you are going a different route with fiberglass.


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #406, 08-18-2013 01:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:


I already made smooth replacements with metal screws for a possible item to start selling...But I think you are going a different route with fiberglass.


I've been making and selling the smooth molding points for years until the Fiero Store started manufacturing them, then I stopped. For this project, it will be urethane plastic. I am going to be making the ribbed points as well as a removable ribbed portion for the area behind the side marker light.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #407, 08-18-2013 12:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


I've been making and selling the smooth molding points for years until the Fiero Store started manufacturing them, then I stopped. For this project, it will be urethane plastic. I am going to be making the ribbed points as well as a removable ribbed portion for the area behind the side marker light.


Can we encourage you to do a "How To" thread documenting your build process? It could open the doors for many other ideas and projects.

Jonathan



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #408, 08-18-2013 08:55 PM
      I got some more work done today. I began making templates to gauge the curves in the bumper. By using them, I will be able to ensure that both sides are as equal as possible. That's as good as it gets for us shade tree mechanics!

I found some interesting materials for grills last night. I shot a pic over to Jason and he wants to check it out. I'm still looking for one more pattern to create the layered look I have envisioned for mine. Grill inserts will likely be a matter of taste and what I use doesn't have to be what you use. Be thinking about what YOUR grills will look like!

The fine tuning is officially underway and a finished product is on the horizon!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #409, 08-19-2013 10:23 PM
      Jason called today and we are going to get together again on Friday if nothing comes up. He asked me to show a little bit of what I'm doing now. I don't know how well these pics will show what I'm doing but here goes!

Now that we have the basic shape carved out, we have to fine-tune it to make it nice. Some angles need to be horizontal, some need to be vertical. What is harder than verifying horizontal and vertical is matching left and right sides! Especially when dealing with a surface with a complex curve. The way I'm facing this problem is first I'm getting everything level and plumb where it is supposed to be. Then I'm checking measurements and seeing which parts I can shave to match the opposite side. This is a back and forth process since neither side is the "master side". I call this process getting to the "lowest common denominator". It is obviously easier to shave a section down than it is to fill another in so that is the next step. Sometimes one part is too skinny to begin with so it has to be built up to match the opposite side. The build-up process is slower than I'd like. The white putty that we are using is VERY particular about how much we can apply at one time. If we put it on too thick, it is very slow to harden and when it finally does, it cracks! So, build-up is a multi-step process. Now, on to the pics!

Here I was checking the lower edge of the grill opening. It is supposed to be level, front to rear. Gonna have to work on it a bit.



I made marks on the carport to indicate a parallel line. I connected those marks with a fat strip of masking tape to give me a good line to reference.





Here are my first two templates I cut to measure and compare different curves in the bumper.



Here I am checking the upper roll and reference to the hood.



Here I am checking the side of the bumper. I used the tape line, the flat bottom surface of the template, and a large metal square to reproduce the same measurement on the side from front to rear.



In between sanding and filling and waiting for putty to dry, I'm examining the bumper as a whole and also as individual sections and surfaces. I'm doing a little tweaking here and there. Nothing that pics would show but I know some things needed a bit more attention.

That's about it for now. I'm going to try to put my hands on it at least a little bit each day to try to push towards "fiberglass day!"

If you have any specific questions or would like a certain picture angle, let me know.



IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #410, 08-21-2013 12:39 AM
      Made a test mold from a small piece of scrap molding and added black pigment to the urethane resin. This was a test piece so the ends are very rough. The final product will be made from actual black urethane....not color added like I did. Adding the black pigment makes all kinds of halos in the final piece. Here is the sample piece that I made about an hour ago:


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #411, 08-21-2013 08:16 AM
      That really looks great! I don't know how it could be any better after you use the black urethane. I don't even have ribbed moulding but I'm excited about it anyway!

I, for one, would love it if you made a build thread. I'd like to learn this plastic process for other ideas that are stuck in my head.



Yarmouth Fiero (im_gman@hotmail.com) MSG #412, 08-21-2013 09:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

That really looks great! I don't know how it could be any better after you use the black urethane. I don't even have ribbed moulding but I'm excited about it anyway!

I, for one, would love it if you made a build thread. I'd like to learn this plastic process for other ideas that are stuck in my head.



Ditto on this matter. Very cool and very professional quality. Great job.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #413, 08-21-2013 01:50 PM
      I am very glad that we contacted you over this. Great job!
Can't wait to get business flowin!



GADJet MSG #414, 08-21-2013 03:12 PM
      just wondering if you all have seen this????



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #415, 08-21-2013 04:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GADJet:



Cars like that could have set Pontiac apart and possibly saved it. Too bad they didn't have the balls to make it or other cars that stood out. The last new car that I really love the looks of was (and still is) the Solstice. I did drive both an auto and 5-speed but they didn't persuade me from the driver's seat. I still stare at them every time one passes.

Jonathan


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #416, 08-21-2013 04:26 PM
      I like this car:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/fo...trans-am-smokin.html

This one, not so much..

http://www.2013transam.com/

Jonathan


GADJet MSG #417, 08-21-2013 11:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I like this car:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/fo...trans-am-smokin.html

Jonathan


YES SIR! That car is excellent!

 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Cars like that could have set Pontiac apart and possibly saved it. Too bad they didn't have the balls to make it or other cars that stood out.
Jonathan


Couldn't agree more!


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #418, 08-22-2013 06:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GADJet:

just wondering if you all have seen this????



Thats is one of the pics that sparked my idea for this hood scoop



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #419, 08-22-2013 09:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Thats is one of the pics that sparked my idea for this hood scoop


I never knew that or made the connection! I get it now!

Jonathan



kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #420, 08-22-2013 11:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:


Thats is one of the pics that sparked my idea for this hood scoop





When I look at the example that inspired you to take this adventure, I notice that the "nose" being developed does not appear to have the leaning-forward rake of the example. Is that on purpose?

Ken


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #421, 08-22-2013 11:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kennn:

When I look at the example that inspired you to take this adventure, I notice that the "nose" being developed does not appear to have the leaning-forward rake of the example. Is that on purpose?

Ken


Yes, it is for better down wind force on the nose.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #422, 08-22-2013 11:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Yes, it is for better down wind force on the nose.



We definately didn't want to create any MORE lift than the front end already has (too much from the factory)!!

This photoshop pic is also a main enfluence:



Something that we have agreed on from the start of this project is that too many body modifications done in the past are too hung up on specific measurements or being an exact copy of something else. Being stuck in a design that has DEMANDS such as this tend to make the car suffer in overall appeal.

One of the things we are most proud of is that this bumper IS NOT a replica of anything else! You can go back through the thread and find many pics of other cars that were our inspiration for ideas and styling but none of them were transferred to our bumper with a "written in stone" attitude. We believe that the basic car, as supplied from the factory, has lines and dimensions that need to be considered in all aspects of the design. In layman's terms, it needs to work and look right!

We want it to look "Pontiac" without being a copy and without looking like a goofy caricature of something. That is the main focus on this bumper and we hope you will agree that we are achieving it!




NetCam MSG #423, 08-23-2013 08:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


Cars like that could have set Pontiac apart and possibly saved it. Too bad they didn't have the balls to make it or other cars that stood out. The last new car that I really love the looks of was (and still is) the Solstice. I did drive both an auto and 5-speed but they didn't persuade me from the driver's seat. I still stare at them every time one passes.

Jonathan


Not only did they not make new cars that stood out, they discontinued the ones that did and replaced them with cookie cutter bland sedans (G4, G6 etc.). It was really too bad that the sister car to the Solstice was the Saturn Sky, which of course was lost as well when Saturn was shut down with Pontiac.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #424, 08-24-2013 08:53 PM
      Fiero cake and a new GT trunk seal. Pretty good birthday!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #425, 08-26-2013 11:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Fiero cake and a new GT trunk seal. Pretty good birthday!



They didn't use the trunk seal for the edges of the cake did they? lol

FROM NOW ON _ IT'S LIFE IN THE FAST LANE!!!!
(at 45mph and your blinker on ) LOL

Another year closer to retirement, grey hairs and creases in your face.
I still want to wish you all the best for your 45th birthday, besides.....
Science has found out that birthdays are healthy because the more birthdays you can celebrate - the longer you are living.




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #426, 08-26-2013 11:31 AM
      Thanks! Next time don't type so fast! You know I'm a slow reader as it is!

Why don't you tell our readers a little bit about what we did the other day and where we stand?

Jonathan


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #427, 08-26-2013 03:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Thanks! Next time don't type so fast! You know I'm a slow reader as it is!

Why don't you tell our readers a little bit about what we did the other day and where we stand?

Jonathan


We stood on your carport.

We worked on the bumper.

(I hope that was slow enough for ya) LOL


We worked on the filling alot of low spots in to make it even and smooth - flush if you will. We worked on making the ports under bumper even and centered. We also were able to flush up the front so that it is the same as mirrored image on both sides. We mudded up - letting it dry. May need a few more coates then we are onto the bondo. after bondo we are onto gelcoating and then we are going straight into the mould.



GADJet MSG #428, 08-26-2013 04:34 PM
      Going to chop up the remainder of this bumper today. Hoping to mail by tomorrow...

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #429, 08-26-2013 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GADJet:

Going to chop up the remainder of this bumper today. Hoping to mail by tomorrow...


Excellent!!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #430, 08-29-2013 10:56 PM
      Today we added the "belt line" for the arrow nose for both the smooth and ribbed belt line-ing.
Boost will post pics later till then, enjoy knowing that all belt lines can use this bumper now.



GADJet MSG #431, 08-30-2013 11:48 AM
      yee haw.... post some pics!

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #432, 08-30-2013 05:35 PM
      Here's three little pics!

The two side views with the marker lights and moulding in place.





Here is the front center. Duh! Both the markers are in place but they are hard to see. This is also a chance to see how the upper and lower middle separation is developing.



Jonathan



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #433, 08-30-2013 05:37 PM
      The smooth style aero bumper sections arrived today!



katatak MSG #434, 08-30-2013 10:18 PM
      Looking good!

JHarvey MSG #435, 08-31-2013 12:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

The smooth style aero bumper sections arrived today!






GADJet MSG #436, 08-31-2013 01:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

The smooth style aero bumper sections arrived today!




Yee haw!

*Edit for jumping the gun some and not reading everything.

[This message has been edited by GADJet (edited 08-31-2013).]

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #437, 08-31-2013 08:24 AM
      I see where we added more to left bottom side, I was hoping that would dry nicely so we can smooth it out and mirror it to the other side. This is going awesome!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #438, 08-31-2013 12:00 PM
      Pictures are good. Maybe video would be better? Anyone interested in a short walk-around video to REALLY get a feel for how it is coming along?



fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #439, 08-31-2013 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Pictures are good. Maybe video would be better? Anyone interested in a short walk-around video to REALLY get a feel for how it is coming along?




YES PLEASE!!!!!!!


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #440, 08-31-2013 05:28 PM
      Hey Jon,

Walk around it like we talked about getting all angles in. can we get that up today before night fall?



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #441, 08-31-2013 07:59 PM
      iGTO - Fiero GTO. The muscle car look to compliment your engine swap. Pontiac Excitement the way it was meant to be.

A video? Nahh. It was a bad idea. I don't think anybody wants it.

J

[This message has been edited by Boostdreamer (edited 08-31-2013).]

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #442, 09-01-2013 10:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogtlt1:


YES PLEASE!!!!!!!


looks like we have one chiming in....



coady MSG #443, 09-01-2013 12:43 PM
     

i wanna see the video


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #444, 09-01-2013 09:23 PM
      I spent a few hours on the bumper today. Still tweaking it. Maybe I'll shoot a video tomorrow.

Jonathan


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #445, 09-02-2013 12:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

I spent a few hours on the bumper today. Still tweaking it. Maybe I'll shoot a video tomorrow.

Jonathan


It's " Tomorrow " ........Where's the video?


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #446, 09-02-2013 04:32 PM
      Where is all the other people chiming in wanting to see it................



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #447, 09-02-2013 05:06 PM
      I shot a three minute video.

I need a volunteer.

Whoever has an iPhone and the ability to post videos on YouTube, PM me. I will send it to your phone as a "text" message. You will get the first sneak peak of the video and then you can post it for everyone to see.

Go!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #448, 09-03-2013 12:17 AM
      If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself!




Jonathan


KOS MSG #449, 09-03-2013 09:12 AM
      you guys are doing a great on job on this bumper! I personally think it would look a little better if the air dam went a little lower and scooped out more towards the front. Also the sides of the dam should come out a little wider or have a small flare outwards and match the fender wheel lip line spacing. But that is just my .00000002 cents worth and doesnt mean much! lol. keep up the great work!



coady MSG #450, 09-03-2013 01:41 PM
      Looks real good guys....

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #451, 09-03-2013 03:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KOS:

you guys are doing a great on job on this bumper! I personally think it would look a little better if the air dam went a little lower and scooped out more towards the front. Also the sides of the dam should come out a little wider or have a small flare outwards and match the fender wheel lip line spacing. But that is just my .00000002 cents worth and doesnt mean much! lol. keep up the great work!



KOS,

The bumper actually DOES extend a little lower. It is difficult to see because the car is on jack stands. Here is a horizontal view of the project seen over the hood of my GT. The GT is not lowered.



Comparison from the front:



The front stock suspension is completely extended and the tire is still several inches off the concrete.



Compare these next two shots. The sides of the spoiler are tucked in to resemble the factory Formula bumper. We tried to extend the body lines and contours from the side of the car to the front bumper. We thought it best to ignore the shape of the rocker panels.





This isn't a great shot but you can see the factory air dam on the Formula bumper does not extend to the outter edges of the sides.



This is a shot of a rough measurement of the height of the Formula bumper.



Compared to a shot of a rough measurement of the iGTO bumper:



So, I think we did get a bit closer to what you were wanting. This bumper will hang lower but hopefully not so low as to interfere with a lowered car. If that does become the case, the lower edge of the spoiler could be trimmed by the owner to a clearance height of choice. These pics also help make the case for our stated intention to attempt to make this bumper unique AND have a factory appearance at the same time.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #452, 09-08-2013 12:15 AM
      all I see are 'x' and no pics



N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #453, 09-08-2013 03:50 PM
      I just.. woo I do want. Told my girl today I'm going to start setting money aside for one. Lol

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #454, 09-10-2013 12:30 AM
      Ribbed point reproductions. I used semi gloss instead of matte paint by accident. Anyway, you get the idea:



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #455, 09-10-2013 10:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Ribbed point reproductions. I used semi gloss instead of matte paint by accident. Anyway, you get the idea:



You are the most awesome person in the world!!!!!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #456, 09-10-2013 07:40 PM
      Those pieces really look great! I don't know how they could be any better! Looks like you have a thread to start in the Mall!

Thanks for working with us on this project! Your efforts have made our product even more appealing!

Jonathan


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #457, 09-15-2013 12:09 AM
      I originally made a mold just to make a long 12" straight piece of ribbed molding. I them cut it into 2 pieces, the proper length, and cut the ends at the proper angles. Here is one of the molding pieces in red oxide. I still need to clean up the edges, polish it, and make a new mold just for the final pieces:



jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #458, 09-16-2013 09:04 PM
      will these make a gt nose fit a regular notchback?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #459, 09-17-2013 08:34 AM
      I cannot see any of the pictures you guys have placed on here. It just shows up as little red "X"'s. No I do not have parental control on this laptop on. Hmmmm



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #460, 09-17-2013 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

will these make a gt nose fit a regular notchback?


If your notchback has ribbed moulding, you will be able to use these on your Aero front bumper so everything matches.



coady MSG #461, 09-17-2013 06:55 PM
      any updates and eta to bumper being ready?

crashmydaytona MSG #462, 09-17-2013 11:33 PM
      Bumper looks great! After you are done with it will you make some custom vmax body parts.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #463, 09-18-2013 10:00 AM
      Depending on John's class schedule next week, I would like to hit it again sometime next week for some final touches



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #464, 09-18-2013 10:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by crashmydaytona:

Bumper looks great! After you are done with it will you make some custom vmax body parts.


I sold my Max last year in order to buy my GT. I needed a car to carry tools and books to school. Next year, I'd like to buy a Transalp.

Jonathan



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #465, 09-18-2013 01:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

any updates and eta to bumper being ready?


We are looking, learning, and shopping for grill materials and processes. I'm also taking three classes this semester that I hope will give me some additional knowledge. Quality inspection, blueprints, and pattern development. Can't hurt, right?

We are also talking about a new business that should be well received by many members. I hope to unveil it within the next two weeks.

Jonathan



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #466, 09-23-2013 10:43 AM
      Gonna meet this Wednseday, possibly put some final touches on.

Using Bondo then sanding for smoothness, then Gel coat, then start making the mould.

We should start seeing how many people want one about now, start sounding off so we will know how many moulds we should make
per each mould only produces about 50 to 80 products before needing to be re moulded.

We can put names of members wanting of the first page.....this is not ready to buy yet - just posting names of members who want it.



coady MSG #467, 09-23-2013 05:47 PM
      Im in as long as the price that you mentioned a while ago hasn't changed to much.

NetCam MSG #468, 09-23-2013 10:01 PM
      What was the price? Couldn't find it....

coady MSG #469, 09-26-2013 10:07 AM
      updates?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #470, 09-28-2013 09:38 AM
      Updates Coming Soon



Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #471, 09-30-2013 08:46 PM
      I'm still interested.

VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #472, 10-01-2013 09:49 AM
      Id really like to see this nose be done to a 3rd gen firebird. I think it would look badass!

Carl Calderone (carlcalderone@optonline.net) MSG #473, 10-02-2013 06:45 PM
      I just stumbled across this thread and saw what you are doing with the GTO style nose, Its amazing! Do you think that you will be producing them for sale or just for your own car? I really like the way it looks and would certainly like to by it for my own car.

If you start a buyers list, put me on it....I'm all in !!!


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #474, 10-02-2013 09:23 PM
      Guys, thanks for the interest and the comments. Glad you're watching.

The plan is to reproduce them for sale at some point. Unfortunately, it seems like every time we gain momentum on this project, something comes up that takes up all of our time. Jason has work and he teaches martial arts several times a week. I have a crazy school schedule this semester with classes morning, afternoon, and night at three different campuses. On top of the regular stuff, one of Jason's kids got married recently and he had a break in at his house. My engine in my daily driver GT just quit on me last week so I'm in the middle of an engine swap. If that wasn't enough, my wife's grandfather passed away yesterday!

Not sure when we'll get our hands back on the bumper but we'll post pics and updates when we do. For those of you who want to get on the buyer's list or want pricing information, PM Crazydragn for details. I think he's going to set up a dedicated PayPal account for the bumper business.

Jonathan


GADJet MSG #475, 10-03-2013 12:16 PM
      Boost... You guys have your hands full. We understand "LIFE" comes before toys and hobbies. Take care of business first. We will follow up when your on the grindstone again. Good luck bro.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #476, 10-03-2013 12:27 PM
      Getting paypal account set up today. Looking at finals touches and getting into mould.

As Jonathon stated, someone broke into my shop at my house and stole ALL my tools - punks......Wait till I catch ya.......they really didn't know who they were taking from evidently.
Anyway, I need to get together a list of those who want a bumper:

If wanting to purchase one, state so here and I will put you on the list.

The list will go on page 1 on the Mall Section of the forum.
Here: iGTO BUMPER SALE

No payments excepted yet but we will allow for down payments soon...........We may be talking about a pay as you go account too (more to come)



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #477, 10-03-2013 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NetCam:

What was the price? Couldn't find it....


look at the iGTO BUMPER SALE at the mall



Banshee (banshee@sunarise.net) MSG #478, 10-04-2013 12:34 PM
      The idea of this was simply to mimic the 68 69 GTO / JUDGE if I read the thread correctly.

I will add my 2 cents and to keep it pure build it just like the GTO with GTO inserts and not try to incorporate anything Firebird. I owned a 68 and a couple of TransAm's so no offense to the Bird guys as I am still a super fan. When you are going down the road you are going to be snapping peoples necks as they look as you go buy. THIS WILL BE A MAJOR HEAD TURNER!

NOW IF YOU CAN BUILD A GREAT HIDE-A-WAY SYSTEM I WILL BUY THE ADD ON.

The truth is if it had the CUDA insert I wouldn't buy it.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #479, 10-06-2013 12:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Banshee:

The idea of this was simply to mimic the 68 69 GTO / JUDGE if I read the thread correctly.

I will add my 2 cents and to keep it pure build it just like the GTO with GTO inserts and not try to incorporate anything Firebird. I owned a 68 and a couple of TransAm's so no offense to the Bird guys as I am still a super fan. When you are going down the road you are going to be snapping peoples necks as they look as you go buy. THIS WILL BE A MAJOR HEAD TURNER!

NOW IF YOU CAN BUILD A GREAT HIDE-A-WAY SYSTEM I WILL BUY THE ADD ON.

The truth is if it had the CUDA insert I wouldn't buy it.


The idea was to make something different, retro, "muscle car", and Pontiac looking. The 68-9 GTO was one of the main inspirations that contributed to the design. Our bumper isn't meant to be an exact copy of any one car's bumper. We wanted to incorporate the wide, vertically narrow, aggressive styling that was found on many of the cars of the late 60's and early 70's. That list includes but is not limited to the GTO, Dodge Challenger and Charger, Ford Mustang, Mercury Cougar, Plymouth Barracuda and many more.

Our bumper isn't a copy because when you make a copy of one part and put it on another car, they don't usually work as well. Too many people have let themselves be limited by measurements, etc of original parts while trying to make something similar for a different car. For instance, we might have made our grill openings the exact size and shape to allow the use of some original GTO grill parts. While that sounds good in marketing, it doesn't always translate into a pleasing design when you have different lines to think about on your car. We basically did an old school tribute bumper that looks like something from the muscle car era. It looks retro and it looks like a Pontiac design while at the same time looking good on a 80's car that is still using all of its other pre-existing body panels. Adding this bumper can be a single-step body mod. No other pieces need to be changed to make it look "right".

As far as a hide-away headlight system, we won't be trying to do that with conventional sealed beam headlights. That would require cutting up the metal bumper bar. If anyone wants to make those modifications to their car we would love to see what you come up with but we won't be responsible for that. However, we are looking at different options for grill inserts. One of the things we are looking at is the possibliity of an LED system that is either true hide-away with a swing-away door or a back-lit panel that will mimic headlights behind a see-through panel.

As for the 'Cuda grill, that is just one of many possibilities that we may create and offer or that someone could do on their own to make a more personal statement with their cars. It is all a matter of preference and personal taste. To each his own!

Jonathan

[This message has been edited by Boostdreamer (edited 10-13-2013).]

coady MSG #480, 10-13-2013 10:30 PM
      updates?


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #481, 10-13-2013 11:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

updates?


Gotta follow this thread for a while longer:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/130334.html

EDIT:
And now this one:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/130689.html

Jonathan

[This message has been edited by Boostdreamer (edited 10-30-2013).]

coady MSG #482, 10-13-2013 11:43 PM
      ya lost me?


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #483, 10-14-2013 08:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

ya lost me?


Not that I know of!

Jonathan


seajai MSG #484, 10-14-2013 08:30 AM
      I think he means the bumper project is on hold til the engine project is complete

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #485, 10-16-2013 12:55 PM
      Jonathon just got his engine in, so things should start back on track.....



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #486, 10-22-2013 11:13 AM
      This is what I have looking at for a while when coming up with a design for the bumper.
It is really looking good and can't wait to reveal it.

Bumper Grill Idea Page



coady MSG #487, 10-22-2013 09:27 PM
     
would you have a thicker bar in the middle and use several rods like the picture? if so then im all for it...


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #488, 10-25-2013 11:10 AM
      I think I'm about to get my engine swap squared away. I have two problems to work out and hopefully, I've found the solutions to both and the car will be 100% very soon. I have gotten behind in my school work a little. Nothing late yet but I need to devote some time to getting that stuff caught up. If all goes well, I might be able to find a few hours this weekend to spend on the bumper. Right now, Jason and I are planning to get together on Monday morning to try to breathe some life back into this slowly dying project. That means we should have updated pics VERY soon!

Jonathan


coady MSG #489, 10-25-2013 08:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Right now, Jason and I are planning to get together on Monday morning to try to breathe some life back into this slowly dying project.


geeze I wouldn't say dying makes it sound like ya lost all interest and we should start looking else where for our specialty bumper.
I know you guys will get back on track when you catch up with life...


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #490, 10-26-2013 12:49 AM
      Yeah, LOL. Jason is going to borrow the crash cart from the hospital and we're gonna SHOCK it back to life! Haha. It is amazing how quickly things change. The Formula was sitting in a nice, clean, and organized half of my carport. Now the hood is up, there is stuff piled over the rear, and the car is surrounded by tools, jacks, hoists, jack stands, piles of oil dry, etc. we're gonna have to start with some serious housekeeping before any sculpting gets done!

Jonathan


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #491, 10-26-2013 09:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
Yeah, LOL. Jason is going to borrow the crash cart from the hospital and we're gonna SHOCK it back to life! Haha.
Jonathan


YEP!!, YOU get an AED and YOU call 911 cause we are going to get it FIRED back UP!!!



coady MSG #492, 10-26-2013 06:08 PM
      good to hear


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #493, 10-29-2013 12:54 PM
      Jason came over Monday and we got back on track. We reviewed what we were happy with and discussed what path to take on the rest. We spent a few hours on the lower half of the bumper. The sides are completed as far as this phase of development but the lower front still needs attention. We spent our time filling low spots and sanding high spots. We did some contour shaping on one side and we worked on making the "scoop" straight, level, and even. The air inlets to the radiator are getting a makeover also. So, as you can tell, we had a very productive session and we got a bunch done. I think we both got our enthusiasm re-kindled as well. We are planning our next session on Saturday and we should have pics worth posting next time.

Jonathan

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coady MSG #494, 10-29-2013 05:34 PM
      sweet

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #495, 10-30-2013 09:53 AM
      I just posted a link to my video on Facebook's Fiero page.

Jonathan


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #496, 10-31-2013 12:16 PM
      I'll try to get some of the "thought" pics of the grill up, but I'm not posting the actual pics yet.



coady MSG #497, 10-31-2013 01:13 PM
      cool


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #498, 11-03-2013 11:41 PM
      We got together today for a session. We started a new phase today. We applied our first layer of Bondo! When it sets up, we can sand it smooth, fill in if necessarry, repeat. This is our final step in shape development. After we are satisfied with the Bondo work, we'll be ready to gelcoat and finally fiberglass!

While the Bondo doesn't look pretty at this point, I do have some sneak pics for you! We began work on a solid aluminum prototype grill insert! This is only one of our many ideas for grills and let me tell you, if we offer this option to the public, it won't be cheap. So far it has been very labor intensive and we were trying to rush it together! In these pics, the grill is NOT ASSEMBLED. The bars and spacers are only cut and stacked to give us and you an idea of what a final product will look like. Naturally, a completed grill will be uniform in appearance and the vertical parts will be properly aligned. This is just a sneak peak for feedback.

So tell us, what do you think?











Jonathan


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #499, 11-04-2013 12:06 AM
     
Holy Sh*t Batman...

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CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #500, 11-06-2013 09:36 AM
      We are going to work some more on this and some of the finishing touches for gel caots and the forming the mould on thursday and friday.
More pics of completed grill coming up soon too.



coady MSG #501, 11-06-2013 03:34 PM
      have you had a chance to figure the new increased cost with the grill... will make a big difference in if i can afford to stay in this dance or fade away.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #502, 11-06-2013 06:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

have you had a chance to figure the new increased cost with the grill....


Well the cost of materials so far in THIS grill (the aluminum one) is around $45 per side. This does not include the labor of making them and putting them together for this is very labor intensive.
The good part is that this grill is an "option" and is not included in the bumper itself but may be able to be purchased however we have not come up with a fair price on this one yet.
There are other plenty of other prefabricated universal grill options out there which can be used and can be applied by anyone that knows how to turn a screw driver, those we may show a little later on after the fabrication of the grill we are currently working on.



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #503, 11-11-2013 10:25 PM
      OK, so here i cut the rods and lined up some of the 5/8" spacers and added some primer after I placed tape on the front side so I wouldnt get paint on it before buffing.


This is after i painted the grill and took off the tape, i had not buffed it yet




This is after I buffed the edges



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #504, 11-12-2013 05:50 PM
      I would totally put that on my car!

Jonathan


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #505, 11-14-2013 09:51 AM
      I'm actually going to put this on my ferrari it car front bumper grill.



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #506, 11-15-2013 11:13 AM
      Hell yah !!! That is looking good and better then I thought it would on your first round. Keep it up !



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #507, 11-15-2013 04:55 PM
      Ok, on this photo we had not sanded the bondo on the front yet but just placed the grill on the front lip and added the turn signal so you can see that it is hidden but can be seen at the same time from the factory location. the bolts would actually not be seen for they would be in the bumper itself to hold in place. I personally think this is BadA..!





TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #508, 11-15-2013 08:45 PM
      AGREED...Might be asking you to do one for the front of my 308's opening...looks clean!


420ponies MSG #509, 11-17-2013 05:00 PM
      Man, haven't been on the site for awhile.this is looking Great!! Are we getting close to a production of it? definitely looking at getting one of these when ready

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #510, 11-18-2013 11:02 AM
      Thanks for the compliments, guys! Always good to get feedback, positive or negative, so we know we're moving in the right direction!

The grill is pretty much Jason's baby. His concept and work. I helped a little but this was mostly him. I think he did a great job and he may have begun a sideline business without even knowing it! PM him and let him know if he needs to start a new thread!

While he was working on the grill, I've been sculpting the radiator intakes and the lower half of the bumper. The lower half is very close to being done and the upper half and the sides are as done as we can get them. We're still not satisfied with the symetry. Both sides absolutely LOOK symetrical but it is hard to tell with a naked eye that is seeing both halves at the same time. To overcome this, I have sketched out a device that will allow us to pinpoint any point on the bumper and see if it matches the other side. I'll be collecting the building materials this week and hopefully weld it all together this weekend. Then we will have very close tolerances and a very high quality product as far as fit and mirror image. It will also help us to make each bumper exactly like the last. Even if the mould gets destroyed, we would be able to use the device to copy an original and start over.

Jonathan



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #511, 11-18-2013 11:13 AM
      We are all getting excited for it to be ready



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #512, 11-19-2013 09:07 PM
      Thanks for the photoshop! Looks cool!

Jonathan


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #513, 11-20-2013 07:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Thanks for the photoshop! Looks cool!

Jonathan


X2


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #514, 11-20-2013 08:54 PM
      Got any side, corner shots?



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #515, 11-20-2013 10:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Got any side, corner shots?



Did you check out the video?

Jonathan



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #516, 11-23-2013 10:27 AM
      Here are a few more shots and a side shot, I re-arranged the grill a little




coady MSG #517, 12-02-2013 04:07 PM
      bump for not so forgotten projects


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #518, 12-02-2013 11:25 PM
      waiting on Gel coating to come in



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #519, 12-04-2013 01:12 PM
      For me, this is the last week of classes. Next week is finals. That weekend is my Christmas party and the following day I'll be pulling my engine out again! When that is done, I will be out of state for about a week. It doesn't sound like we will be able to do much more before New Years. After the 1st, I'll have about two weeks free before classes start again. Hopefully Jason's schedule will be open at that time also.

Jonathan


coady MSG #520, 12-04-2013 04:47 PM
      well just make sure you take time to party a little


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #521, 12-12-2013 03:00 PM
      Right now I'm trying to relocate my Martial arts school, I think I have a place. I had one and went to the guy to get started with first payment and he wasn't there. the next day he calls me to inform me that someone just walked in the morning that the phone call and paid to the place with a check.
Now, I'm out looking for another place and have about 9 days to find it and get a form of curency exchange.



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #522, 12-12-2013 11:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

Right now I'm trying to relocate my Martial arts school, I think I have a place. I had one and went to the guy to get started with first payment and he wasn't there. the next day he calls me to inform me that someone just walked in the morning that the phone call and paid to the place with a check.
Now, I'm out looking for another place and have about 9 days to find it and get a form of curency exchange.



Well how much does that suck?!!

I have an idea for our next project! I'll need a Jeep/Hummer style front bumper for my Fiero dune buggy. How cool would that be?

Jonathan



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #523, 12-16-2013 03:45 PM
      Well, I found a place for my school. This time I went ahead and bought it for the rest of the month out. Now it's just a moving of stuff things.
Should be moved in by this thursday night, ready for Friday night classes. yeah!!



Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #524, 12-17-2013 02:46 PM
      Check out this Plazma with the iGTO bumper! Now everyone will want a Plazma!

Photoshop courtesy of 85SEnochie


Jonathan

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #525, 12-18-2013 04:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

Check out this Plazma with the iGTO bumper! Now everyone will want a Plazma!

Photoshop courtesy of 85SEnochie


Jonathan



This looks real good


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #526, 12-18-2013 09:07 PM
      definetly SICK!!



coady MSG #527, 12-18-2013 10:09 PM
      just wouldnt want to have to keep buying those rear tires $$$$$$


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #528, 01-02-2014 02:21 PM
      That would be very expensive



fierofinatic84se (zhermes93@gmail.com) MSG #529, 01-04-2014 04:06 AM
      Love it, I definitely am interested, although, did you decide on inserts and what kind, I would be one without inserts, I'm planning on fabricating some out of plexiglass

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #530, 01-06-2014 02:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofinatic84se:

Love it, I definitely am interested, although, did you decide on inserts and what kind, I would be one without inserts, I'm planning on fabricating some out of plexiglass


We do not have any particular grill insert design that will be our "basic" pieces included in the price of the kit. I have an idea for a plexiglass grill but I haven't moved forward on it at all. I haven't even done any drawings of it yet.

Jonathan



fierofinatic84se (zhermes93@gmail.com) MSG #531, 01-11-2014 06:47 AM
      I was thinking about plexiglass or wire frame, or both, btw I'm new here, this was actually the project that inspired me to join

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #532, 01-13-2014 10:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofinatic84se:

I was thinking about plexiglass or wire frame, or both, btw I'm new here, this was actually the project that inspired me to join


WOW!! That is a huge compliment! I appreciate it. I hope that when it is completed, you will think it was worthy of your interest.

As for an update, my GT is all back together and running without codes! School starts again in three days but I don't have classes Friday-Sunday or any evenings. Depending on what my homework load looks like, I should theoretically have some work time available. Jason is busy settling into his new business location. We'll be talking soon about when our free times might coincide. I doubt we'll do much until it warms up a bit anyway. My carport is open on three sides so there's no way to heat it. It is probably more important for the materials to be warm than it is for us. We have had to re-do lots of work because of uneven drying which caused big cracks. No sense in trying to work under those conditions. It would just be more wasted time.

Thanks for watching

Jonathan



Banshee (banshee@sunarise.net) MSG #533, 01-15-2014 03:06 PM
      Do you have a target date on when you may be offering these to the world. Couldn't find anything for a date you were shooting for.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #534, 01-16-2014 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Banshee:

Do you have a target date on when you may be offering these to the world. Couldn't find anything for a date you were shooting for.


We wanted them to be available before this past Christmas but that obviously didn't happen. There really isn't any way to project when we'll be done. We work on it when we both have spare time, at the same time. Life gets in the way.

Sorry, this is is more of a hobby build than a professional operation. We have limited funds, materials, tools, space, time, and talent. We ARE both still stoked about this project but again, life gets in the way.

Thanks for watching and being understanding!

Jonathan



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #535, 01-16-2014 07:38 PM
      NO APOLOGIES NEEDED!

All great products take time....look at anything AMIDA or EVM_Rob produces.

Amazing quality and workmanship, but don't expect the prototype to ready over night.

Anyone who has followed or read one of their threads...knows exactly what I am talking about.

Take your time and get exactly the way you want it!

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CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #536, 01-19-2014 07:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

NO APOLOGIES NEEDED!

All great products take time....look at anything AMIDA or EVM_Rob produces.

Amazing quality and workmanship, but don't expect the prototype to ready over night.

Anyone who has followed or read one of their threads...knows exactly what I am talking about.

Take your time and get exactly the way you want it!



Thank you for understanding.



coady MSG #537, 01-23-2014 12:53 PM
      what he said!!!!! take your time get it right and then release it to us as you intend it to be

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #538, 02-20-2014 03:17 PM
      It's getting warmer!!! Hehe



Danyel MSG #539, 02-20-2014 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by coady:

what he said!!!!! take your time get it right and then release it to us as you intend it to be




Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #540, 04-16-2014 10:25 PM
      The semester is coming to an end! The days are getting warmer but it's time for that mad scramble to get everything completed and turned in. I thought I was going to do an engine swap in May but I've not gotten that call yet. The job I'm shooting for won't begin until June so we may be back on this project very shortly and May just might be very productive! I know CrazyDragn is "itching" to get covered in sanding dust again!

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #541, 04-26-2014 03:23 PM
      It's no the sanding dust I'm worried about, it's the sticky resin from fiberglass



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #542, 05-17-2014 10:23 AM
      We are very close to the final procedure steps. just an update.



timcha (jtchambers37@yahoo.com) MSG #543, 05-17-2014 08:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BV MotorSports:

This is sick!!!!








Inferno (infernoz24@hotmail.com) MSG #544, 06-01-2014 09:59 PM
      Still want to see pics of the real deal on a fiero before I add my name to the list. But once it is, I am good.

fierofinatic84se (zhermes93@gmail.com) MSG #545, 06-16-2014 08:00 PM
      yes, im waiting as well, im very excited to see what this product looks like on the car, super stoked, looks great though

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #546, 06-28-2014 04:42 PM
      Glad to see this project is still generating interest! We will post new pics as soon as there is enough change to be worth showing.

Thanks for watching!


olejoedad (welch.joe.714@gmail.com) MSG #547, 07-12-2014 09:28 AM
      Its been almost 8 months since a picture of the prototype nose has been posted in this thread........

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #548, 07-12-2014 09:59 AM
      I have a 4-day weekend starting Friday. Wanna get together, CrazyDragn?

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #549, 07-13-2014 12:55 PM
      Lets get together on Sunday 7/13/14.



racingfortheson MSG #550, 07-20-2014 09:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timcha:





racingfortheson MSG #551, 07-20-2014 09:28 PM
      In all of the photoshop pics the middle fin is mounded into the bumper smooth. In the prototype it just kinda pops out from the front. Love the look, just with the way the middle just pops out of nowhere it looks kinda.... huh..... Lego-ish. Just my 2c.

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #552, 07-20-2014 09:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by racingfortheson:

In all of the photoshop pics the middle fin is mounded into the bumper smooth. In the prototype it just kinda pops out from the front. Love the look, just with the way the middle just pops out of nowhere it looks kinda.... huh..... Lego-ish. Just my 2c.


I'm going for an older Pontiac look. Back in the day, the center popped out.



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racingfortheson MSG #553, 07-22-2014 06:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


I'm going for an older Pontiac look. Back in the day, the center popped out.







O ok, now I see what your saying. Well I'm sure like most everyone else on here I want to see it finished. So quit your job, stop working on everything else and get this done. LOL



olejoedad (welch.joe.714@gmail.com) MSG #554, 07-23-2014 09:25 AM
      Any recent pictures available?

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #555, 07-23-2014 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by olejoedad:

Any recent pictures available?


Nothing to report. We just can't seem to get the weather and our schedules synchronized. Sorry everyone!


olejoedad (welch.joe.714@gmail.com) MSG #556, 07-29-2014 01:11 PM
      How about posting a picture of how it currently looks so that people's interest will be piqued, and we won't have to dig through several pages to find a picture?

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #557, 08-02-2014 09:23 AM
      Had a big hail storm here. Baseball sized hail. Cracked the windshield in my DD GT. The iGTO is fine. I also just went back on five tens so my time and energy just got reduced.

CrazyDragn's custom fastback was recently broken into while waiting at a shop for an engine swap. I don't know the extent of the damage or loss.

We have both had very tight schedules that have been impossible to synchronize.

I will go out and take a few shots and post them today.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #558, 08-03-2014 10:14 PM
     







fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #559, 08-03-2014 11:19 PM
      That is looking AWESOME...

Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #560, 09-01-2014 08:16 PM
      It is a sad day in the development of the iGTO bumper. CrazyDragn and I have both come to the conclusion that our personal lives will not allow us to complete this project at this time.

However, hope springs eternal because this car and all rights to our work and design is for sale! Someone please buy this car or at least the bumper portion and continue pumping life into this well-received concept!

Posted for sale in The Mall section:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/070070.html

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2tone86gt (mdave81@hotmail.com) MSG #561, 10-27-2014 12:49 PM
     
Hello there.. new to PFF but I must say I surely hope somebody saves this concept. It is a real shame you guys couldn't finish it and it would totally suck to see it go to the scrap yard. Of all the noses I've seen available for the fiero in the aftermarket this one needs to be a reality. The only other one I've seen other than this one that really caught my eye was the one Amida made. Maybe he should pick it up and finish the GTO design.. He is amazing but Whomever does decide to finish this nose please leave a link so we can follow it and hopefully see it be produced so all who want one (including me) can get one.


Boostdreamer (thinner00@hotmail.com) MSG #562, 12-24-2014 06:05 AM
     
The iGTO bumper car was sold and it fell off the trailer at its destination. The bumper was damaged, possibly destroyed. I don't know how bad because I've not seen pictures. The buyer stated that he doesn't think he can fix it.

Jonathan


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #563, 12-24-2014 11:26 AM
      So sorry to hear that.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #564, 01-04-2015 12:06 AM
     

Any updates on this ? Would be a shame.


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #565, 01-05-2015 10:54 PM
      I still have my mock up front clip on a stand yet, Perhaps when I get done with Johns car i will tackle trying this.

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #566, 01-11-2015 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


The iGTO bumper car was sold and it fell off the trailer at its destination. The bumper was damaged, possibly destroyed. I don't know how bad because I've not seen pictures. The buyer stated that he doesn't think he can fix it.

Jonathan


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!



CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #567, 09-23-2015 04:26 PM
      The Copy Rights to this is up for grabs, just contact me.



davylong86 MSG #568, 09-23-2015 06:09 PM
      Was this not sold and then damaged beyond repair during transport? Is there a copy right filed for this design, if so what is the amount your looking for? It was looking good and almost complete and I know you had a lot of time invested so I hope someone takes this idea to production.

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dskebo (dskebo@msn.com) MSG #569, 09-23-2015 08:29 PM
      Yes this was destroyed while transporting I am still running over parts of it with my mower. Turns out it wasn't water proof either.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #570, 09-23-2015 08:53 PM
      Well, I don't doubt that it wasn't water proof, you took the production at only half stage and had not even made a mold of it yet.
So, you statement, though true, is yet a statement that shows you had no idea what you had, nor how to protect it. The foam was not meant to be a finished product by any means but a sculpture of something to come.

If someone wants the copy rights, they can email me or boostdreamer a price.a price.



Villain (trentmela@gmail.com) MSG #571, 01-24-2016 07:54 AM
      Looks like it was quite the build, I'll shoot a pm

slicknick MSG #572, 01-26-2016 12:21 PM
      I really don't think someone can claim and sell a copyright on this.

CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #573, 03-16-2016 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by slicknick:

I really don't think someone can claim and sell a copyright on this.


Take that to the copyright office.


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #574, 03-28-2016 11:52 PM
      If anything, the purchaser of said bumper would have rights to sell any copyright on said product.... Or GM would have copyrights and patents on their design styles.



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #575, 04-05-2016 11:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn: Take that to the copyright office.

The copyright office doesn't judge the validity of copyright claims. Just because they issued a copyright, that does not guarantee it's enforceable. That's something that would need to be determined in court. Unless you have plans or blueprints that are copyrighted, you're going to have a tough time enforcing that copyright.

That said, why someone would want to enforce a copyright on an unfinished body part for a car is beyond me. But whatever...

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slicknick MSG #576, 04-08-2016 01:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

That said, why someone would want to enforce a copyright on an unfinished body part for a car is beyond me. But whatever...



If someone got swindled into actually buying this "copyright", I'd imagine they would have to enforce what little worth there is in it else the copyright is lost. Just seems like a dirty cash grab for an unfinished idea to me.


Reallybig MSG #577, 04-08-2016 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by slicknick:


If someone got swindled into actually buying this "copyright", I'd imagine they would have to enforce what little worth there is in it else the copyright is lost. Just seems like a dirty cash grab for an unfinished idea to me.


I completely agree. I enjoy reading new posts to this thread simply to see where the silliness takes it. The concept of an enforceable copyright on what is now lawn fertilizer is comical.

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jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #578, 05-10-2016 07:23 PM
      Well this went to crap.... I was super stoked at this product. I wish there was a collaboration to build another for the furtherment of the fun and excitement that we are all supposed to be here for. Set aside the money for a minute guys and just help a larger whole benefit.

Oregon88 MSG #579, 07-21-2016 10:31 AM
      Wish this went into production.
I think its it's much better than the ferrari style looks


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #580, 10-19-2016 02:13 PM
      for future reference, anyone who wants to take this on is more than welcome too. We had fun making it. Our supllies and Demands of our families had to come first. Plus the donor car was sold so...........you have our permision.

We would like to see this go forward too....



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #581, 07-08-2017 01:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CrazyDragn:

for future reference, anyone who wants to take this on is more than welcome too. We had fun making it. Our supllies and Demands of our families had to come first. Plus the donor car was sold so...........you have our permision.

We would like to see this go forward too....



Challenge accepted. Fiero Fiberglass has been contacted by a Fiero owner who would like us to build and produce this. We are in discussions right now about it.


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #582, 07-09-2017 12:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:


Challenge accepted. Fiero Fiberglass has been contacted by a Fiero owner who would like us to build and produce this. We are in discussions right now about it.


I have spoke with fiero owner and he has let me know what all is taking place, awesome!!
I let him know that I can send him the copyright for the build as he is in contact with you.

This will be awesome.
So:
There was a list of individuals who were interested in this being produced. I or Boostdreamer could reset the list up here if you would like.


BassClefJeff MSG #583, 07-11-2017 02:01 PM
      Great! I am looking forward to this. Can you tell us which style you are going for? (chin forward vs. nose forward)

Reallybig MSG #584, 08-18-2017 05:53 PM
      Loading ............


Any progress?


CrazyDragn (sifujasonwalters@gmail.com) MSG #585, 08-27-2017 11:52 AM
      All I know at this point is that Fiero Fiberglass is working on a few variations of the front end design. They have about $3k into this already.

Still waiting for the forum member to call me back for updates; we are willing to help with some of the costs. - It's not cheap......



Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #586, 08-27-2017 10:41 PM
      I'm still interested in buying a copy.

420ponies MSG #587, 10-28-2017 06:55 AM
      [b][/b]Woo Hoo!! I'm Glad someone has taken this on! Now I can get back "to work "on my Fiero

La fiera MSG #588, 10-28-2017 02:32 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by JimmyS:


Challenge accepted. Fiero Fiberglass has been contacted by a Fiero owner who would like us to build and produce this. We are in discussions right now about it.


Ok, I'll be waiting for mine!



420ponies MSG #589, 01-13-2018 03:21 PM
      Anyone heard how this is going? I 'd thought this would be getting back off the ground.

fieroguru MSG #590, 01-13-2018 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 420ponies:

Anyone heard how this is going? I 'd thought this would be getting back off the ground.


Fiero Fiberglass is now up for sale ($25,000) due to the lead fiberglasser (Dan) retiring for health reasons. So I doubt this project will be progressing unless another vendor is found to take on the effort.

http://www.fierofiberglass.com/

[This message has been edited by fieroguru (edited 01-13-2018).]

420ponies MSG #591, 08-18-2018 06:15 AM
      Any word about this front bumper being resurrected ? Man, I'd like to add this to mine.

jagwinn (johnagwinn@yahoo.com) MSG #592, 04-02-2019 08:39 PM
      [url=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-70-GTO-Front-Bumper-Nose-FIBERGLASS-NEW-Glasstek-/252400154987?fits=Year%3A1970%7CModel%3AGTO][/url]

Just sayin'....