Enterra "Dark Shadow" Restore Thread
Topic started by: Lady Lisa, Date: 06-11-2012 09:44 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000134.html


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #1, 06-11-2012 09:44 AM
      Hello everyone! I'm Lady Lisa, aka, Mrs. "troyboy". As some of you may know, I have recently purchased a Pontiac Enterra Vipre. I will be documenting the restoration and modification on this thread. Troy has told me that you guys are great help with finding out information and Photoshopping ideas, such as color, wheels, etc. Here are a few pics and a video of the car in its current condition. WARNING: She is in rough shape












Interior:












Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #2, 06-11-2012 09:54 AM
      The trip to Archies:



Archie's evaluation video once it made it to his shop from Kent, Washington:

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Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #3, 06-11-2012 09:59 AM
      The look I'm going for with a few changes, but I like the look of the car in black so black it will be:





troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #4, 06-11-2012 10:03 AM
      Let me be the first to say welcome to the madness .

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #5, 06-11-2012 12:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Let me be the first to say welcome to the madness .


LOL, me too.

Archie


Bloozberry MSG #6, 06-11-2012 12:35 PM
      Ooooo... that top view of the black Enterra is just slick! I think you sent it into the right hands. With the right wheels and body work it'll be a head-turner for all the right reasons. Tell me though, have you considered updating the tail lights for it or do you want to keep it original? (Maybe it's just me but I find they make the rear view look too much like a Datsun). Either way, good luck.

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #7, 06-11-2012 02:15 PM
      Thanks! Troy & I are tossing ideas for the taillights. They definitely need to be updated.

2.5 MSG #8, 06-11-2012 02:21 PM
      mmmm black.

Pete Matos MSG #9, 06-11-2012 03:21 PM
      Lisa,
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on what I think is gonna be a VERY cool project. I love the looks of that black car too and it has a very exotic shape. I would think personally that some lowering and adjusting of the stance and some much larger more update wheels would go a LONG way and personally I would go 3800 TURBO to back up the looks. That is really a unique looking car and I am quite sure Archie and CO. will take good care of it and make it the beautiful car you are dreaming of. I for one can't wait to see the finished product. There are lots of different rebodies out there for the fiero and IMHO this is one of the rarer and more attractive ones. Peace

Pete


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #10, 06-11-2012 03:29 PM
      Thanks for the input. For the wheels, I mentioned to Troy a nice set of HRE's and he passed out. . As far as the motor, I'm looking at an LS4 Automatic.



Big Paul (pkaufmann34@gmail.com) MSG #11, 06-11-2012 04:04 PM
      Widebody? :P

1988holleyformula MSG #12, 06-11-2012 04:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:
For the wheels, I mentioned to Troy a nice set of HRE's and he passed out.


WHAT? Come on Troy!

IMO, a set of 505's would look great on there!

Either way, SUBSCRIBED.


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #13, 06-11-2012 05:07 PM
      Thats a very nice project you have there... Seeing as how your married to troy I know you'll restore it with some justice..

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #14, 06-11-2012 05:52 PM
      I noticed the single wooden hockey stick holding up the decklid. Glad to see there's still at least a bit of the Enterra's Canadian heritage remaining!

Maybe Archie will update the decklid with dual carbon-fiber hockey sticks.

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Pete Matos MSG #15, 06-11-2012 06:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


WHAT? Come on Troy!

IMO, a set of 505's would look great on there!

Either way, SUBSCRIBED.

Agreed.....those would look tough on that particular car . They are nice strong looking wheel and obviously high quality at that price. I would prefer if the centers were polished or chromed or possibly black chrome to match the paint. Peace

Pete



Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #16, 06-11-2012 06:19 PM
      Wide body? We're still kicking around what mods will be done, but I want to keep the car as close to its original form as possible. I am still wheel shopping...perhaps HRE's will be in my Future (gotta keep the faith!)

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #17, 06-11-2012 07:11 PM
      Thats a good investment. I hear they are worth 535,000 dollars once restored. (according to that black cars build website)

I can't wait to see how it turns out! These cars are awesome.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #18, 06-11-2012 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

I noticed the single wooden hockey stick holding up the decklid. Glad to see there's still at least a bit of the Enterra's Canadian heritage remaining!

Maybe Archie will update the decklid with dual carbon-fiber hockey sticks.



LOL, Exactly, the 1st thing I thought of when I saw the Hockey stick was that it was in keeping with the Canadian heritage of the car.

Archie


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #19, 06-11-2012 08:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Wide body? We're still kicking around what mods will be done, but I want to keep the car as close to its original form as possible. I am still wheel shopping...perhaps HRE's will be in my Future (gotta keep the faith!)


3 piece wheels:-)


Pappy MSG #20, 06-12-2012 12:39 AM
      Truly a rare find!

Even though I like the look of the stock taillights - I think something along the lines of the Lamborghini Murcielago would look great on this style car

I don't think they are flat, but with some minor body mods then it should be no problem to blend them in

Okay I really like the look of the Lambo rear end


1988holleyformula MSG #21, 06-12-2012 03:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Agreed.....those would look tough on that particular car . They are nice strong looking wheel and obviously high quality at that price. I would prefer if the centers were polished or chromed or possibly black chrome to match the paint. Peace

Pete


Pretty sure all those wheels are made to order. Get whatever finish your heart desires! (if you have the funds, that is)


Pete Matos MSG #22, 06-12-2012 07:13 AM
      Actually I quite like the looks of the taillights on that car... dunno what you could do to improve them but hey anything is possible ......peace

Pete


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #23, 06-12-2012 07:29 AM
      Well the wife likes her jewelry so I will have to put a nice set of rims on it . I was thinking about 19 x 8.5 front and 19 x 10 rear.
She like these rims I saw yesterday the are Asanti AF 165, can someone please photoshop these on the car for her.
the rims




the best side shots of the car that I have



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #24, 06-12-2012 07:49 AM
      could someone also photoshop a few tail light mods for her also thanks



First the stock Enterra lights with a smoked lens cover
and then the smoked lens cover over Two round lights



Carcenomy MSG #25, 06-12-2012 08:20 AM
      Aight, did a quick dirty mockup using the mighty power of Paint.NET for ya. Without dimensions of the original tails, it's hard to know which round modules would work, so I just sorta guessed it with some random round combination units. YMMV.





Hope this helps guys! Curious thing this Enterra, could turn out absolutely stunning with the right massaging to the bodywork. Archie will see it right.



Carcenomy MSG #26, 06-12-2012 08:37 AM
      Aurrgh, clearly it's late - I didn't read the whole brief. Smoked covers over two rounds. Coming right up...



Pete Matos MSG #27, 06-12-2012 08:46 AM
      Hope this helps guys! Curious thing this Enterra, could turn out absolutely stunning with the right massaging to the bodywork. Archie will see it right.

[/QUOTE]

Agreed..... That car is quite striking in very nicely done black and if done very carefully it can look very exotic and interesting. If done poorly, well, it will look like a cheap mutant firebird wannabe. If you ask me it is the stance, you gotta get that car down to the ground and on some nice wheels and wide tires. Those asanti's are nice but look a bit too....uh... busy? The car needs some more high performance oriented EURO LOOKING wheels somehow. Those five star HRE's would work or something similar. I dunno. As far as the taillights, I like the stock smoked look. Part of what makes that car interesting is the classic retro look it has. It is like nothing else on the road today. Personally I'd try to keep it that way. The back of the car needs to sit slightly higher than the front of course but again it needs to be done tastefully and getting that nose down low would be a priority for me if it were mine. Less.....CAMARO.....more......Detomaso.......or something like that. Oh and the center mounted exhaust with four tips would be sweet!! hehe Enjoy building it..... I think Archie will get it right. Peace

Pete

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #28, 06-12-2012 10:24 AM
     

Lisa welcome !

Your car has soooo much potential. Like someone said with the right touches you will have an exotic looking stunner.

Got my popcorn and soda ready !


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #29, 06-12-2012 11:19 AM
      Thanks so much for the Photoshop rending for the taillights. I'm am leaning towards the stock Enterra lights with the smoke glass; updates the car without changing its original style. Now, as far as the wheels, I reserving my judgement until I see them photoshopped on the car. I'm asking Troy to post the HRE's I like as well.


stickboy MSG #30, 06-12-2012 11:22 AM
      Welcome!!!

Can't wait to watch this build.


Pete Matos MSG #31, 06-12-2012 11:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Thanks so much for the Photoshop rending for the taillights. I'm am leaning towards the stock Enterra lights with the smoke glass; updates the car without changing its original style. Now, as far as the wheels, I reserving my judgement until I see them photoshopped on the car. I'm asking Troy to post the HRE's I like as well.


Damn where's the "LIKE" button....hehe peace

Pete


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #32, 06-12-2012 11:50 AM
      Pete, that's funny! Troy was showing me the mod for the exhaust over the weekend. I am considering it.

Pete Matos MSG #33, 06-12-2012 11:55 AM
      Cool.... personally the center exit exhaust makes it look all yummy and stuff....hehehe I would do four tasteful chrome tipped pipes. Make people wonder just what the hell is under the decklid...They are gonna wonder what the hell it is anyways because until I first saw one here I'd never heard or seen anything like it either and I pride myself on knowing the makes and models of obscure sportscars. Peace

Pete


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #34, 06-12-2012 12:09 PM
      Thanks guys for helping Lisa, she is very excited about her new ride. I will try and find good shots of the HRE 505 and the ones she really likes the hre 454 for photoshop. Pete I agree that a nice set of 5 star rims may also look good just have to find the right ones ( maybe Forgeline SP3P or S03P )
The more I look at the car the more I lean towards keeping it mostly stock with updated tail lights ( just smoked), tail pipe mod (2 to 4 tips centered), rear deck lid scoop mod like the black car ( lisa really likes that mod), update the side marker lights (looks funny with just the ribbed molding lights with out the molding), low profile head lights. Lisa has her work cut out for her as I'm just giving her ideas but she will make all decisions (even the wheels ) to make this truly her car. We were looking at modifying a widebody rocker but i feel that the center line on the door sits to low and a modified Madarch rocker would not look good and it would start to clutter up the side of the car.

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IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #35, 06-12-2012 12:11 PM
      Troy and Lisa, you can go to the Vrimz.com website and click the link for the lite version simulator. Then upload a pic of the car and you can choose what wheels you want. They have pretty much every brand including the ones you want on the car. If you register, you can upload your picture and tweak the sizes

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Pete Matos MSG #36, 06-12-2012 12:22 PM
      Troy,
IMNSHO.....this looks dead sexy. I also like the decklid scoop on that car. Almost did not notice it. Very cool car. Good luck with it man. Gonna be a looker for sure. Peace
http://www.86enterraviper.c...gepics/polished2.jpg


Oh yeah I almost forgot.... So is it called a Pontiac Enterra or what?

Pete

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #37, 06-12-2012 12:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:

Troy and Lisa, you can go to the Vrimz.com website and click the link for the lite version simulator. Then upload a pic of the car and you can choose what wheels you want. They have pretty much every brand including the ones you want on the car. If you register, you can upload your picture and tweak the sizes




Thanks for the photoshop and info on the website... Lisa will be up all night LOL


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #38, 06-12-2012 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Troy,
IMNSHO.....this looks dead sexy. I also like the decklid scoop on that car. Almost did not notice it. Very cool car. Good luck with it man. Gonna be a looker for sure. Peace
http://www.86enterraviper.c...gepics/polished2.jpg


Oh yeah I almost forgot.... So is it called a Pontiac Enterra or what?

Pete



I think it was just called Enterra Vipre

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #39, 06-12-2012 01:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Oh yeah I almost forgot.... So is it called a Pontiac Enterra or what?



It's an Enterra Vipre. And "Vipre" is spelled with an "re", not "er"... because it's Canadian, eh!

[EDIT] Troy, I didn't see your post when I posted, but yeah, you got it right.

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Pete Matos MSG #40, 06-12-2012 01:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:


It's an Enterra Vipre. And "Vipre" is spelled with an "re", not "er"... because it's Canadian, eh!


Thanks Patrick.... it surely must be one of the two really cool things ever to come out of Canada no? Hehe JK..peace

Pete


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #41, 06-12-2012 02:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

...it surely must be one of the two really cool things ever to come out of Canada no?



Oh yeah, the Enterra Vipre rates right up there with Justin Bieber.



Pete Matos MSG #42, 06-12-2012 02:26 PM
      Hehe so we have you guys to thank for dear old Justin Beiber huh..... Thanks for nothin'!! hehe peace

Pete


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #43, 06-13-2012 11:58 AM
      Lisa what do you think about these side marker lights
http://www.phastekperforman...o-sidemarkers-gh.htm

these should look sweet on a black car


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #44, 06-13-2012 06:58 PM
      I likes . Hopefully Archie will like it too!

Reallybig MSG #45, 06-13-2012 09:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:


Oh yeah, the Enterra Vipre rates right up there with Justin Bieber.


Justin Bieber's Canadian?!! SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: One of the best looking custom fiero rebodies for sure!

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Carcenomy MSG #46, 07-31-2012 07:15 AM
      Over a month, no new posts... what's happening?

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #47, 07-31-2012 09:21 AM
      WOW! Best of luck, and we'll be watching :-)

-MH


av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #48, 07-31-2012 07:39 PM
      I'd love to see a chopped version of this body style, maybe someone can photoCHOP it.

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #49, 08-01-2012 06:20 PM
      I know it's been awhile since my last post....Troy's car is still being worked on. Gotta wait my turm.

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #50, 09-04-2012 12:39 PM
      your turn ?

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #51, 09-04-2012 02:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

your turn ?





hairballrm (rmeyner@projectorretrofit.com) MSG #52, 09-04-2012 05:44 PM
      I had an opportunity to own an Enterra several years ago and did not seize it.
oops

I think quad Hellas would be the ticket for this car.
Forgive me, my Photoshopping skills are weak,



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #53, 09-04-2012 06:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hairballrm:

I had an opportunity to own an Enterra several years ago and did not seize it.
oops

I think quad Hellas would be the ticket for this car.
Forgive me, my Photoshopping skills are weak,





She agrees and has had them on her wishlist for a few weeks...... Man that list is growing.


ferrobi MSG #54, 09-04-2012 08:50 PM
      This should turn out VERY nice. I always liked the Enterra - parts of it kind of remind me of many cars. Fiat X1/9, Delorean, Ferrari 288 GTO, and Vector W2.



88White3.4GT MSG #55, 09-04-2012 10:21 PM
      welcome! i've always wanted to see a nice enterra build

ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #56, 09-05-2012 02:25 AM
      LadyLisa,
keep the pics and updates coming.....i can't wait to see it done!
al


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #57, 09-05-2012 05:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Lisa what do you think about these side marker lights
http://www.phastekperforman...o-sidemarkers-gh.htm

these should look sweet on a black car


Nice. The blacked out side markers will look evil with a black painted car.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #58, 10-25-2012 12:34 PM
     
bump,


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #59, 11-17-2012 08:34 AM
      Santa just ordered some parts for Lisa's car, I hear Archie's...... I mean Santa's elvs are ready to start the restore.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #60, 11-22-2012 01:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Santa just ordered some parts for Lisa's car, I hear Archie's...... I mean Santa's elvs are ready to start the restore.



Man i can't wait to see this one !!


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #61, 11-24-2012 09:01 PM
      Let's hear it for the elves





Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #62, 11-25-2012 12:00 AM
      Enterra is a very interesting and rare automobile. I believe that less than 30 of them are still known to exist. The one that you have looks like it has a Fiero V6 but everything I've read about the car says that they were also made with SBC's.
I am certain that Archie and crew will have it looking stellar.



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #63, 11-25-2012 01:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

The one that you have looks like it has a Fiero V6 but everything I've read about the car says that they were also made with SBC's.


Any V8 in an Enterra Vipre would've been custom installed sometime after the car had left the Enterra assembly plant.

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Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #64, 12-08-2012 10:49 PM
      After much deliberation, I have decided to keep the car in its original color and have picked new wheels. I think it looks good. Give feedback. As you can see, we are new to Photoshop, if someone who is experienced with it could tweet the photo better and make the front bumper black, I would be grateful. Rumor has it that she is about to go under the knife...will keep you posted.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #65, 12-09-2012 01:04 AM
     

Niiiiiice !

The wheels are very modern and stylish IMO.

Can't wait to see more.


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 12-09-2012 05:29 AM
      Wow!!
I like it just as you have it pictured....with rims and white bumper.
How about a nice pearl white....awsome!!!!!
Those rims are perfect.
Al


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #67, 12-09-2012 09:04 AM
      I am considering white with black accent scheme for the car. I am definately open to peal white paint just as long as it is bright enough. I am looking into whose paint would set it off. Any suggestions on paint that provides depth and doesn't give a dingny look would be appreciated.

fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #68, 12-09-2012 09:17 AM
      I like the white concept. For a non-metallic paint, I like Chrysler/Dodge's Bright White. My 97 Dakota is still nice and white and it's an outside truck. Never garaged.

Pete Matos MSG #69, 12-09-2012 09:43 AM
      Lisa,
I like where you are going with this. Personally I LOVE a white clean looking sportscar. If I ever get the cash my notchie will be white as can be seen in my photoshop in my build thread that has not been updated in FAR TOO LONG. Anyways, as you are aware there are many many different white colors out there. I once saw a white Lamborghini Murcielago that was white with a kind of pearlescent in it that looked amazing. Here is another suggestion tho, I used to be big into sportbikes and had quite a few Yamaha sportbikes including a 1992 Yamaha FZR1000 which was a pearlescent white with red and black accents. It looked amazing.... Most importantly the WHITE was very smooth looking. It was apparently sprayed over with some kinda pearl that was very very subtle. It looked white from a distance but up close you could see the pearl in the paint and I loved it. I could see that beautiful car with that paint on it with subtle black accents looking amazing. Good luck with it either way you go. Here is a link to a picture of the bike I am talking about. Peace

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuz3TI3nxEc2aXmX6kSkqB3l6CiiVNiVQ5j95Ebon7cLpwkElR

Pete


Bloozberry MSG #70, 12-09-2012 10:19 AM
      I like the white color and the wheels as well. Just know what you're getting into if you go with pearls... too much and the paint gets a "tobacco stain" yellow appearance at shallow viewing angles. IMHO, I've found that pearls and metal flake these days are way over done. It's actually a nice change to see a solid color on a car... but to each his (or her) own!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #71, 12-09-2012 11:05 AM
      I have had the opportunity to own a few of them over the years, but it just never turned my crank. I kinda regret not buying the one for $1500 that was for sale in Surrey BC about 10 years ago, it was owned buy a younger kid in our Fiero club. To him it was nothing more than a cool car with a body kit and treated it like a Civic with a body kit. I felt bad for the car.

The one thing I never liked about the car and this is just personal are the tail lights, when the car was being designed, like the Fiero they used what they could of "off the shelf" GM parts. The tail lights are actually from a mid 80's Chevy Cavalier. So if you ever need replacements they are at least cheap and easy to find. However I feel those lights kinda cheapen the car. Kinda like putting Chevy Chevette parts on a Corvette. Its just not right.

The gloss black Enterra was built by another local club member, Bob Mackie and he installed a 283ci V8 with a carb into it. (I am sorry I can't remember the exact specs, but it was under 300ci) He wanted a High Revving V8 for the car. They did one hell of a job, I was lucky enough to turn wrench's on that car for a bit helping with the V8 install. There is actually a really good back story on the V8 Kit and Archie with that one. The person that built the Black one ordered a V8 Archie Kit, however while he had the kit waiting to go onto the car, another local BC person got his hands on the kit and did a piece by piece copy of the kit, then tried to re-sell the copies. It ended in a near fist fight at a club meeting between Bob and the copier person. The person doing the copying, was kicked out of the club, Archie threatened to sue over it, and eventually over all the drama Bob sold the Enterra to a person in the states and left the club. He also designed the Enterra Vipre website and it was included in the sale. I won't mention the name of the business that tried to sell the copies, but I believe the Fiero community in general revolted and he is no longer in business.

Bob did a TON of research into building the Black V8 Enterra with restoring it and making it perfect. I always loved the center exit exhaust. I might still have contact info for Bob Mackie I believe he lives in Alberta now, if you want to contact him. He is no longer into Fiero's and plays with 240 and 280z's. However he still loves to talk about the Old Days. Because the Enterra were designed and built about 10 miles from where I live, I still see them pop up from time to time, and always forward the sale info onto the local club guys. Its a unique car with a unique and sorted heritage. Kinda reminds me of the Delorean story.

I am glad that you are restoring another one, and have a master doing the work. I don't think there is anything on the planet I wouldn't trust Archie to do. I've always said if I won the lottery I would get a train car, fill it with our 5 Fiero's and send them on their way to him along with $250,000 for mods. (I figure 50,000 a car should cover LS7 6spds, Chop top, Wide body Scissor Door cars.)



Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #72, 12-09-2012 04:11 PM
      Thanks for all the feedback...gives a lot to think about. I will definitely look into the colors suggested. To Capt. Fiero, thanks for the info and story. I also don't like the taillights but it is becoming difficult to find taillights that are flat enough and square enough to fit the area and contour of the car. Most modern taillights wrap around and follow the contour of the car, making it hard to find a replacement. Will keep you posted on new developments.

Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #73, 12-09-2012 05:31 PM
      ..chop the top....

mkiker2089 (mkiker@carolina.rr.com) MSG #74, 12-09-2012 08:41 PM
      I like the tails as they are. Normally I hate amber in tails but somehow it just works.

2.5 MSG #75, 12-10-2012 10:59 AM
      Keeping it white, you should call it Ghost Shadow. ..or something.

mptighe MSG #76, 12-10-2012 06:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2.5:

Keeping it white, you should call it Ghost Shadow. ..or something.


I vote for Spectre


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #77, 12-10-2012 07:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Thanks for all the feedback...gives a lot to think about. I will definitely look into the colors suggested. To Capt. Fiero, thanks for the info and story. I also don't like the taillights but it is becoming difficult to find taillights that are flat enough and square enough to fit the area and contour of the car. Most modern taillights wrap around and follow the contour of the car, making it hard to find a replacement. Will keep you posted on new developments.


I dont know how much cutting it would be But I photo shopped this back in 09 putting the Fiero lights back on it looks cool to me



Here is what you asked for



And what I would do maybe





Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #78, 12-11-2012 02:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

I photo shopped this back in 09 putting the Fiero lights back on it looks cool to me


One word... no.

Sorry, but that's definitely not an improvement over the Cavalier tail lights on this car.


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #79, 12-11-2012 07:16 AM
      Yeah, maybe a name change is in order Thanks 85 SE nochie for the photoshop. Gives me a visual to tweek. If you please, could you photoshop the back, coloring the back bumper black and filling in the blank spots that are next to the reflectors.


I'm not feeling the Fiero GT or the Enterra taillights and right now I don't want to cut up the back just to redo the taillights. A conundrum indeed . Troy ordered a set a Cavalier lights and is going to have them sanded smooth and smokked to see what that looks like. As far as the color, I am leaning towards the Lamborghini balloon white.

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2.5 MSG #80, 12-11-2012 09:51 AM
      Could an 80s Trans am tailight be made to work?





Bloozberry MSG #81, 12-11-2012 11:04 AM
      They're a dime a dozen, but maybe some late model Mustang lights would work:

www.americanmuscle.com/mmd-...trim-0509-matte.html



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 12-11-2012 11:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Yeah, maybe a name change is in order Thanks 85 SE nochie for the photoshop. Gives me a visual to tweek. If you please, could you photoshop the back, coloring the back bumper black and filling in the blank spots that are next to the reflectors.


I'm not feeling the Fiero GT or the Enterra taillights and right now I don't want to cut up the back just to redo the taillights. A conundrum indeed . Troy ordered a set a Cavalier lights and is going to have them sanded smooth and smokked to see what that looks like. As far as the color, I am leaning towards the Lamborghini balloon white.



How is this?



2.5 MSG #83, 12-11-2012 01:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:

They're a dime a dozen, but maybe some late model Mustang lights would work:

www.americanmuscle.com/mmd-...trim-0509-matte.html



I almost posted that as well.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #84, 12-11-2012 08:01 PM
      If all goes as planned, we will be moving the Enterra over to the shop tomorrow.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #85, 12-11-2012 10:21 PM
      Easy fix if you just paint the area between the rear tail lights and lightly smoke the lens, but paint the "ribs" black. That's what I would do if it was my car. Next, paint the deck lid vents black and maybe those vents in and around the car. This will give the car some contrast especially with a white paint job. The black high lights will also match the two tone Asanti wheels.



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #86, 12-12-2012 02:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

If you please, could you photoshop the back, coloring the back bumper black and filling in the blank spots that are next to the reflectors.

I'm not feeling the Fiero GT or the Enterra taillights and right now I don't want to cut up the back just to redo the taillights. Troy ordered a set a Cavalier lights and is going to have them sanded smooth and smokked to see what that looks like.


I like those suggestions. I've always wondered what the point was of leaving those holes in the rear bumper unoccupied.

 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Easy fix if you just paint the area (black?) between the rear tail lights...


With the bumper being painted black (which I think is a good idea), wouldn't it be too much black if the entire tail light panel was also painted black? I wonder if there's enough room at the bottom of the panel to leave a "stripe" of white across the back panel between the bumper and the tail lights... just enough to retain some contrast?


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #87, 12-12-2012 02:58 AM
      I say have some custom panels cut out, back lite "Enterra" on one side and "Vipre" on the other side. Something like Pontiac did with the Fastback taillights. Either that or use the blank spots for some Viciously Bright Backup Lights. Something on a switch where someone pulls up behind you with their bright lights on, you can flip a switch and darn near BLIND them for a split second. At the very least you should be able to scare them enough that they won't want to be driving behind you. Just please don't paint it black like a Bumper Pad Fiero. That is just cruel. Even for a car that I honestly don't have love for, that would be mean.



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #88, 12-12-2012 03:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Just please don't paint it black like a Bumper Pad Fiero. That is just cruel. Even for a car that I honestly don't have love for, that would be mean.


Nothing on an Enterra would ever resemble a bumper pad Fiero... nothing, no matter what color anything was painted.

IMO black bumpers on a white Enterra look really sharp, and that's from someone who loves these cars.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #89, 12-12-2012 07:00 AM
      IMO, Lisa should keep the body of the car all Lambo White and just play with black wrap on the bumpers, this way if she doesn't like it or if someone bumps it ,it can be easily removed or repaired without a trip to the paint shop. Lisa wants the grills powder coated black.

Guys I just want to thank you all so much for all of the input and help you are giving Lisa. She has a tough Job running our house hold and Raising our three kids me being the 3rd . Her job is 24/7 and we drive her crazy but this is turning out to be one of her enjoyable outlets.

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #90, 12-12-2012 11:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

IMO, Lisa should keep the body of the car all Lambo White and just play with black wrap on the bumpers, this way if she doesn't like it or if someone bumps it ,it can be easily removed or repaired without a trip to the paint shop. Lisa wants the grills powder coated black.

Guys I just want to thank you all so much for all of the input and help you are giving Lisa. She has a tough Job running our house hold and Raising our three kids me being the 3rd . Her job is 24/7 and we drive her crazy but this is turning out to be one of her enjoyable outlets.



PM sent



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #91, 12-12-2012 05:10 PM
     

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #92, 12-12-2012 05:28 PM
      What's with the 2x4, Archie? I much preferred the original hockey stick.

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Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #93, 12-12-2012 09:13 PM
      I love the idea of black and white. Try bumpers and vents (with a black mustand scoop on the rear end) in black and then please someone photoshop the mustang tail lights in, if they match the curves well they would look hot. Maybe someone could photoshop double4c's new headlights in and see how those look on the front end.

Also, holy crap with some sheet metal you could end on with one NICE big trunk haha

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2.5 MSG #94, 12-13-2012 10:14 AM
      You know , even the older 280z style lights would look better IMO

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #95, 12-14-2012 02:32 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Archie:



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mkiker2089 (mkiker@carolina.rr.com) MSG #96, 12-14-2012 03:29 PM
      I still like the tails it has. The car encapsulates the 80s shed built super car, but in the best way. Modern tails would ruin that.

The 280 tail panel does look interesting however.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #97, 12-14-2012 08:35 PM
      We started on the car yesterday & continued today.

Here's a few pics.









I'll be showing you some of the stuff we are finding along the way.

Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #98, 12-15-2012 10:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


PM sent





Thanks for the Photoshop! Lisa likes it , now I'm just waiting to get the measurements back from the manufacturer. BOY OH BOY Santa's list is getting long.


Jfrost MSG #99, 12-15-2012 11:23 AM
      I look forward to seeing the progress on this car!

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #100, 12-16-2012 10:28 AM
      Thanks you guys so much for your help & feedback . It has given me much to consider. Thanks 85SEnochie for the photoshopping. Helped a lot with visualization. I'm feeling the taillights, hopefully, it's doable. Thanks Archie for posting pics on the start of work. Thanks so much for yor help. Lastly, I wish to thank my Santa Baby...Yes I'm worth it .

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #101, 12-16-2012 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Thanks you guys so much for your help & feedback . It has given me much to consider. Thanks 85SEnochie for the photoshopping. Helped a lot with visualization. I'm feeling the taillights, hopefully, it's doable. Thanks Archie for posting pics on the start of work. Thanks so much for yor help. Lastly, I wish to thank my Santa Baby...Yes I'm worth it .


And you are welcome! I hope that they will work after you get the measurements.



Carcenomy MSG #102, 12-17-2012 02:49 AM
      The one thing that still seems a little weird looking is the sheer amount of flat space behind the windows on the Enterra. I'm wondering if there's anything you could do to add maybe some black panels to add a little contrast... possibly not given the way the fibreglass cuts in quite upright against the rear pillars. Maybe it's just me?

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #103, 12-17-2012 11:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carcenomy:

The one thing that still seems a little weird looking is the sheer amount of flat space behind the windows on the Enterra. I'm wondering if there's anything you could do to add maybe some black panels to add a little contrast... possibly not given the way the fibreglass cuts in quite upright against the rear pillars. Maybe it's just me?


Or find away to make it a little more notchie



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #104, 12-17-2012 02:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carcenomy:

The one thing that still seems a little weird looking is the sheer amount of flat space behind the windows on the Enterra.


Are you referring to where the sail panels are on a GT? If so, I think perhaps it's just the angle of the images you've seen. It doesn't look bad to me at all. As a matter of fact, it looks great. IMO the angle of the "fastback" compliments the angle of the sloped hood/nose.



nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #105, 12-17-2012 03:08 PM
      Nice Stingray,

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #106, 12-17-2012 03:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

Are you referring to where the sail panels are on a GT? If so, I think perhaps it's just the angle of the images you've seen. It doesn't look bad to me at all. As a matter of fact, it looks great. IMO the angle of the "fastback" compliments the angle of the sloped hood/nose.



I think that white makes it look bigger than the black one does. Some contrast will help I think?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #107, 12-17-2012 04:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nightonfire:

Nice Stingray,




Very constructive, thanks for your input, I'm sure Lisa will appreciate your comment.


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #108, 12-17-2012 04:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Some contrast will help I think?


Oh, for sure. Everything on the car being white is a bit much.

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #109, 12-17-2012 05:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nightonfire:

Nice Stingray,


Is that all you have to offer here?

We're still waiting for pictures of your car - WORLD FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER WANTS TO DO A PHOTO SESSION!!!


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 12-17-2012 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:
Oh, for sure. Everything on the car being white is a bit much.


I'm thinking black in the seams of the panels might look good Had to play around with my pic a little. I don't like my photo chop of the black vents not sure why but I don't like it.





nitroheadz28 MSG #111, 12-17-2012 05:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

Is that all you have to offer here?

We're still waiting for pictures of your car - WORLD FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER WANTS TO DO A PHOTO SESSION!!!


Lmfao, I completely forgot about that train wreck.

I'm liking where this is going with the vents to give it some contrast. Just please don't make it look like that guy who made his Fiero into a storm trooper with speakers outside hooked up to a V12 soundracer thing , kidding of course but black accents on a white Fiero instantly bring back harsh flashbacks of when that car was on the first page for a while.


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #112, 12-17-2012 05:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

I'm thinking black in the seams...


Terry, why have you quoted my question meant for nightonfire in your post?


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 12-17-2012 05:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

Terry, why have you quoted my question meant for nightonfire in your post?


Because I missed the one above where you were talking about too much white. Sorry about that



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #114, 12-17-2012 05:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Because I missed the one above where you were talking about too much white. Sorry about that


Perhaps you could edit your post and include the proper quote. The way it is now it looks like I'm mocking your photo-shop efforts!

[EDIT] Thanks for the edit.

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Carcenomy MSG #115, 12-17-2012 08:10 PM
      Argh, it's hard to properly convey what I mean so I'll bash up some photoshops tonight.

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #116, 12-18-2012 12:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carcenomy:

Argh, it's hard to properly convey what I mean so I'll bash up some photoshops tonight.


I could not get my PIP to work tell now it comes and goes really irritating but I think you wanted to see something like this?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #117, 12-18-2012 12:43 PM
      Hummm... Interesting, can we try it with..... Keep the bumpers black, add her wheels, keep the vents white, keep the door Handel black, blackout side marker lights, keep the black sail panel window looks sharp. Boy oh boy Archie is going to hate you guys lol.

BTW I ordered the new tail lights today... Don't tell Lisa ......


Pete Matos MSG #118, 12-18-2012 01:33 PM
      Honestly I realize my opinion means exactly squat here but I will give it anyway ... I don't like all that black at all. I mean the lines of the car actually look really good in white. Personally if it were my build I would do the bumpers in black and I would probably try to use some kinda tinted taillights and make that whole area around them and in between them in a matte or perhaps kind of a semigloss black. I MIGHT try to put some black on that decklid somehow but very sparingly as it gets overpowering quickly. The car has nice lines and those wheels will look amazing on there. IMHO the thing that will make this car win or lose most of all will be the STANCE of the car. If it winds up too high or the wheels are not properly sized it will look like hell, if it sits nice and low in front with just a nicely gapped even yet minimal wheel well clearance and the back does not sit too low to see the pipes coming out of it it could really look amazing. The more I look at that car the more I think that it will be the subtle details that will make or break it. That black one shown earlier on really looks great and IMHO could look even better if it had a couple little tweaks. Also if you notice that other car did not have super low profile tires on it. Somehow the car needs to show a little rubber out back to me. I am diggin' the white and once Archie works on that body and makes it whole and smooth again that white will really come into it's own. One thing is for sure, you sure as hell will not pull up to the light and see another one like it sitting in the other lane ever....EVER!!! Good luck with it I am enjoying the progress thus far. Peace

Pete



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #119, 12-18-2012 01:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

...keep the black sail panel window looks sharp.


If that area could actually be made into a real "window", sort of like a GT sail panel (and not just be a colored panel), that would certainly get rid of a giant blind spot when driving. Would be great!

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #120, 12-18-2012 02:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Hummm... Interesting, can we try it with..... Keep the bumpers black, add her wheels, keep the vents white, keep the door Handel black, blackout side marker lights, keep the black sail panel window looks sharp.


I agree with all that. The side vents in particular stood out too much when black (as pictured). Makes them look "stuck on". It would probably look fine though if just the "hole" in the vents was black (if the holes aren't actually cut out).

Terry, could you do a version as Troyboy mentioned, but do the side panel I've pictured all black (as opposed to part of it as you've done). I'd like to see what it looks like as sort of an "extension" of the side window.

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #121, 12-18-2012 05:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Hummm... Interesting, can we try it with..... Keep the bumpers black, add her wheels, keep the vents white, keep the door Handel black, blackout side marker lights, keep the black sail panel window looks sharp. Boy oh boy Archie is going to hate you guys lol.

BTW I ordered the new tail lights today... Don't tell Lisa ......


Ok so I did change the sail panel a little but I think I got it all that you were asking for?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #122, 12-18-2012 05:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


Ok so I did change the sail panel a little but I think I got it all that you were asking for?




Thanks looks good, but I will wait to see what the boss (lisa) has to say.

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #123, 12-18-2012 05:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

I agree with all that. The side vents in particular stood out too much when black (as pictured). Makes them look "stuck on". It would probably look fine though if just the "hole" in the vents was black (if the holes aren't actually cut out).

Terry, could you do a version as Troyboy mentioned, but do the side panel I've pictured all black (as opposed to part of it as you've done). I'd like to see what it looks like as sort of an "extension" of the side window.





Thanks for clarifying that, Here you go I like it too!



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #124, 12-18-2012 05:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks looks good, but I will wait to see what the boss (lisa) has to say.



Sounds good Let me know what she thinks

Terry



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #125, 12-18-2012 06:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Thanks for clarifying that, Here you go I like it too!


She's looking pretty good!

This may be nit-picking, but I prefer the sail panel glass the same shape as you originally did it. IMO the rounded rear corner doesn't match anything else on the car. I much preferred it "pointy" (although if this actually becomes a glass window, that in itself may contribute somewhat to whatever shape the end needs to be fashioned).

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #126, 12-18-2012 06:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

She's looking pretty good!

This may be nit-picking, but I prefer the sail panel glass the same shape as you originally did it. IMO the rounded rear corner doesn't match anything else on the car. I much preferred it "pointy" (although if this actually becomes a glass window, that in itself may contribute somewhat to whatever shape the end needs to be fashioned).



No worries I figured one of you would ask that Here you go.



Pete Matos MSG #127, 12-18-2012 06:23 PM
      Nice photoshop skills man. I gotta say that the black faux sail window whether or not they decide to make it real does nothing for the car. It actually makes it look like a firebird or something. The rear end of that car as it was made from the factory, while it probably does not do much for the blind spot area, is part of what makes it interesting and also what ties it in with the Fiero history even more. With the large black window there it almost makes me think people will be looking to see who is in the back seat LOL..... The whole large decklid and wing ties in with the flying buttress 80's exotic look rear end somehow for me it takes away some of that with the black window.

Also can you make the wheel inserts or spokes white like the picture is of them Troyboy posted or am I remembering it incorrectly..... Peace

Pete



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #128, 12-18-2012 06:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

With the large black window there it almost makes me think people will be looking to see who is in the back seat LOL.....


To my knowledge, no one has ever tried to look through the factory sail panels of my '86 GT to see who's in the back seat.

Anyway, it's great to be able to see (through Terry's skills) what this car might look like one day. It's fun to dream up stuff.



Pete Matos MSG #129, 12-18-2012 06:49 PM
      Yeah well just because you did not SEE them looking for that backseat does not mean it did not happen....kinda like the tree falling in the wilderness ya know....LOL

I just dunno man, everytime I look at that picture with the big black window in it, fake or real it screams firechicken. Without it you get a rare car that nobody knows what it is and it retains that exotic look somehow. It really is an unusual looking car especially from the back. You had something going with those quartering away shots from the rear with the black bumper and different taillights. I think that second one with a large black panel would really wake it up. I am also curious as to what these folks intend to do with that interior, I hope it does not look ANYTHING like a fiero inside it when it is done. I love the fiero interior but the car here needs something to set it apart. Peace

Pete


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #130, 12-18-2012 07:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

I just dunno man, everytime I look at that picture with the big black window in it, fake or real it screams firechicken.


Sorry, but I don't see the connecton.



Hey, we've all got different tastes in cars and design. The Enterra will be great no matter what.

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #131, 12-18-2012 07:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Nice photoshop skills man. I gotta say that the black faux sail window whether or not they decide to make it real does nothing for the car. It actually makes it look like a firebird or something. The rear end of that car as it was made from the factory, while it probably does not do much for the blind spot area, is part of what makes it interesting and also what ties it in with the Fiero history even more. With the large black window there it almost makes me think people will be looking to see who is in the back seat LOL..... The whole large decklid and wing ties in with the flying buttress 80's exotic look rear end somehow for me it takes away some of that with the black window.

Also can you make the wheel inserts or spokes white like the picture is of them Troyboy posted or am I remembering it incorrectly..... Peace

Pete


Thank you for the complament on my photo shop skills I have a lot of fun helping with it.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #132, 12-20-2012 12:16 PM
      How we are getting on to the "Nuts & Bolts" (& rivets) of the actual build.

About this time last week we started working on this project.

We got it into the shop & started some dis-assembly.



Before taking it apart, we wanted to see how it was put together. We soon found that virtually everything on this car was put together with pop-rivets. Not many parts were actually attached to the chassis with bolts. And almost all of the panels were attached to each other with only pop-rivets. Parts like the nose were not attached to the chassis at all & only attached to the fenders via Rivets.

We had seen a lot of rivets holding in the wheel well liners but there has to be at least 100 rivits holding the panels together too.





The nut plates for the doors were even rivited in place.







Even the close out panel under the nose has a share of pop-rivets.







Many of these rivets have been there for years & many of them have loosened enough that they've "wallowed" out the holes that they are in. Our goal is to have a well fitting (non rattling) body installation, doesn't make good sense to try to final fit panels to other panels that are loose or can come loose.

So in this stage we are fixing a few things, like adding to the retruns on the back of the door panels so we can fiberglass in the nut plates, then we are putting the body back together with nut plates & bolts. Then we can start adjusting the fit of the panels. We will be taking the panels off a few times during this build & we want to be able to bolt it on & off & not have to R&R rivets all the time.

So far, we've had the door panels, rocker panels, sail panels, nose & front fenders off of the car to correct the method of attachment & do some repairs.



The rocker panels had some "U" shaped rubber wrapped around all the edges. It was all dried out so we took it out. Then we converted the rocker panels to "non rivets" & reinstalled to see how much F-Glass we need to add around the edges to make up the space.





Here we have cut out the pocket for the rear side marker & are ready to lay up some F-Glass to make that area flat again so we can make a new posket later for the new markers.



Done...



One of the only parts that we removed that was actually bolted on was the Sail panels. They had "studs" sticking out from the bottom with nuts. Removing some of the nuts was a problem because they were kinda rusty. As you removed the nuts the "stud" started to spin. On those we had to cut off the "stud" above the nut.

Initially I had thought that the sail panels looked like about the only panels on the car that didn't need work done to them. They have a fiberglass outside skin & a fiberglass inside skin glued or attached to each other.

After getting them off, it appears that the outside & inside skins are bondo'd together & the "studs" for attachment are bolts that were bondo'd in. The reason the "studs" were spinning is bolts ("studs") were spinning in the broken up bondo.

We will have to replace these "studs" with something a little better.





Somethng else we noticed up inside the nose is a patch that was put in. We don't know why it was put in but it looks like it was installed by someone reaching it up into the nose & slapping it on. We should probaly try to find out what they were trying to patch.





So we continue.

Archie

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wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #133, 12-20-2012 10:48 PM
      i dont think archie has got this far yet , but it will be interesting to see what is under those bumpers .it really looks like they were built to meet the old 5mph impact bumper regulations of the 80's .i think the car would look better with something other than those two box beams for bumpers .it is a nice looking car as is but it is like the difference between an early ferrari 308 and later ones with the big bumpers to meet the later regs .i allways enjoy archie's builds and this one should turn out top notch as usual .

jwct7 (jwct7@msn.com) MSG #134, 12-20-2012 11:01 PM
      I like the black accents on the bumpers, how about the rocker panels too and maybe even the spoiler.... the "fastback window look" looks cool too. Just my pennoth worth, keep it up.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #135, 12-20-2012 11:18 PM
      You're exactly correct, the bumpers are 80's style impact bumpers.

I took pics of the hardware for them today & was going to post tonight but I'm having a problem with my portable HD.

So I'll post them tomorrow.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by wftb:

i dont think archie has got this far yet , but it will be interesting to see what is under those bumpers .it really looks like they were built to meet the old 5mph impact bumper regulations of the 80's .i think the car would look better with something other than those two box beams for bumpers .it is a nice looking car as is but it is like the difference between an early ferrari 308 and later ones with the big bumpers to meet the later regs .i allways enjoy archie's builds and this one should turn out top notch as usual .




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #136, 12-21-2012 04:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

You're exactly correct, the bumpers are 80's style impact bumpers.

I took pics of the hardware for them today & was going to post tonight but I'm having a problem with my portable HD.

So I'll post them tomorrow.

Archie







Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #137, 12-21-2012 05:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

You're exactly correct, the bumpers are 80's style impact bumpers.

I took pics of the hardware for them today & was going to post tonight but I'm having a problem with my portable HD.

So I'll post them tomorrow.

Archie



Front....







There are a pair of these on the rear....



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #138, 12-22-2012 04:19 AM
      Thanks for the update! Lisa's new tail lights shipped today and you should have them by Thursday.

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #139, 12-22-2012 11:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

How we are getting on to the "Nuts & Bolts" (& rivets) of the actual build.
Before taking it apart, we wanted to see how it was put together. We soon found that virtually everything on this car was put together with pop-rivets. Not many parts were actually attached to the chassis with bolts. And almost all of the panels were attached to each other with only pop-rivets. Parts like the nose were not attached to the chassis at all & only attached to the fenders via Rivets.

We had seen a lot of rivets holding in the wheel well liners but there has to be at least 100 rivits holding the panels together too.




Let me be the first to say, "what a riveting experience".

This will be a cool project, I can't believe I'm the first to make a rivet joke.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe



Carcenomy MSG #140, 12-22-2012 08:56 PM
      My mind is having issues comprehending those low impact bumpers. The wee shock absorber things, sure... but the sam hill is going on with how the bumpers themselves mount to them? Doesn't look like it would take much impact to wreck it all up. Is there more to this picture we're not seeing Archie?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #141, 12-27-2012 11:08 PM
      I've got to try to bring this build up to date.

You'll recall the "patch job" we found on the inside of the nose.....



We needed to get up under that patch to see what they were trying to fix when they did it.

We felt that the patch was put on in a hurry without prepping the area where the patch was going & the patch was not rolled out to form it to the inside of the nose. Typically when you're patching older F-Glass, you should rough up the old surface to take dirt off & remove the "skin" off of the surface of the F-Glass in the area being repaired. Otherwise the patch just doesn't have a good surface to bond to.

This wasn't the only patch like this inside the nose, 2 other smaller patches were put on at the same time with the same material & methods.

We grabbed ahold of the patch & pulled it right off.





We found that the patches were all trying to repair a mishap to the right front corner of the nose. Here is a picture of the cracks that the larger patch was covering. Note: in these pics we have already cleaned & ground the old "skin" to give our new fiberglass repair some good F-Glass to bond to...





Here's what a repair patch should look like.



One of the things that we found on our evaluation of the car was that the nose area between the lights where it meets the hood was loose. You could touch the middle of the nose just forward of the hood & it would move up & down. There wasn't enough of a flange on this area of the nose to attach to the OEM Fiero bracket that attaches the Fiero nose to the chassis. While doing other things to the car, Kris was refiberglassing on a better lip so that the nose could attach properly.





Also as he has been working on the edges & returns on the body parts, he has been building up a F-Glass surface to properly attach the inner wheel well liners.









They aren't all done yet but as we go we are building up these area for the wheel well liners.

Today we got one of the new mirrors installed......









Archie



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #142, 12-28-2012 09:19 AM
     

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #143, 12-28-2012 07:31 PM
      Thanks so much you guys for the input & Archie for the update pictures. I think with the exception of the side mirror and the door handle, the side profile will remain white. I don't know about the side window. I can't wait to see the pics of the taillights.

Carcenomy MSG #144, 12-28-2012 09:58 PM
      This is just my humble opinion and shitey abilities with Paint.NET 'cause I can't afford Photoshop, but this is about as much black as I would go for your car:



PaulJK MSG #145, 12-29-2012 12:55 AM
      nice mirrors - are they from a late model camaro ?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #146, 12-29-2012 12:08 PM
      Nice tweak using the newer Camero side mirrors.




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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #147, 12-29-2012 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:

nice mirrors - are they from a late model camaro ?


Yep, Lisa didn't like the way the stock mirrors looked on the car. She felt the mirrors needed to have hard lines like the car so she sent me on a replacement mirror hunt. She is really happy with the way they look on the car I just hope she paints them white as they shouldn't be the first thing you see on the car.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #148, 01-03-2013 05:11 PM
     

Carcenomy MSG #149, 01-03-2013 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:



Darnit Troyboy, I get an email saying there's an update on this thread, come racing in here and it's you eating popcorn! Gaahhhh talk about getting people's hopes up!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #150, 01-03-2013 10:31 PM
      It's been a very busy week, I'll get you all an update in the morning.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #151, 01-04-2013 01:40 PM
      We got a lot done in the last weeks or so.

Been working on the nose, hood & front fenders.

When working on the front fenders, we found another oneof the famous quickie patch jobs....







With the associated cracks on the inside & outside







Here we are working on putting more of the lips for mounting the inner fender wells....





As we noticed when the car first got here the hood had a lot of flex in it. The hood moved around when openor closed & the headlight door rattled because they didn't have anything to close down onto. This was all on our list of things to fix.

The inner & outer parts of the hood were bonded together in a few places with bondo & in other areas they were left without a bond, so the hood has a lot of flex between the inner & outer panels.









In the areas we were going to glass, we had to grind all the paint off of the surfaces & get down into the bondo area to give the fiberglass some bite.









Here Kris is putting the last layer of glass over the cracks inside the nose.





Right now Kris is putting the front fenders & nose back on so we can see how he new surfaces adjasent to the gaps are looking & what we have to do to make them look better than new.

Archie



mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #152, 01-04-2013 02:09 PM
      I like your fiberglass skills!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #153, 01-04-2013 05:27 PM
      Thanks for the update Archie, you guys are doing an awesome job!! I can't wait to see what you do with the tail light mod. With the right wheels, interior and power plant Lisa is going to have one nice ride.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #154, 01-06-2013 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks for the update Archie, you guys are doing an awesome job!! I can't wait to see what you do with the tail light mod. With the right wheels, interior and power plant Lisa is going to have one nice ride.


I would expect that we might be getting into fitting the tail lights sometime this week.



We are fitting the front fenders & nose to to get all the refurbed seams & gaps where they need to be.

It will take some more work but it's coming along.







Archie


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #155, 01-06-2013 08:06 PM
      Thanks Archie for the updates & all the work you and your workers are doing. It seems like a lot of work but I'm am happy with what I see. Keep up the good work.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #156, 01-07-2013 08:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Thanks Archie for the updates & all the work you and your workers are doing. It seems like a lot of work but I'm am happy with what I see. Keep up the good work.


You're welcome.

I'm looking forward to this week, the last 2 weeks have been 3 day work weeks. This week is a full week, so it'll be nice.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #157, 01-07-2013 10:36 AM
     


Maybe i missed it, but are you guys reusing the original tail lights or using something new ??

I saw the above pic, but was not clear if they are being refurbished ?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #158, 01-07-2013 11:01 AM
      The ones in the above pic are new custom sequential LED tail lights (just dusty), the old cavalier tail lights are in the trash .

2.5 MSG #159, 01-07-2013 11:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


Those tailights are going to be awesome.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #160, 01-07-2013 11:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

The ones in the above pic are new custom sequential LED tail lights (just dusty),


That's exactly right.

With dust in the air from working fiberglass & as dry as it is right now, the static electricity just has dust sticking to anything plastic.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #161, 01-07-2013 11:40 AM
     

Troy , you guys order the wheels yet ?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #162, 01-07-2013 11:45 AM
      no not yet

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #163, 01-09-2013 01:23 PM
      Today's problem & Today's question......

One of the 2 energy absorbing struts for the front bumper is broken. The front bumper was moving up & down quite a bit in the left side.

We finally got it apart to figure out why.

There are no manufacture, or part numbers on the part.

So the question is, does anyone have any idea what struts were used on the Enterra?







Thanks

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #164, 01-09-2013 05:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Today's problem & Today's question......

One of the 2 energy absorbing struts for the front bumper is broken. The front bumper was moving up & down quite a bit in the left side.

We finally got it apart to figure out why.

There are no manufacture, or part numbers on the part.

So the question is, does anyone have any idea what struts were used on the Enterra?







Thanks

Archie


looks very simmilar to the ones used on the 86 dodge omni hade to change them on mine in 87 brokem studs


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #165, 01-09-2013 07:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I would expect that we might be getting into fitting the tail lights sometime this week.


Archie


I like tweaks. Lady Lisa, your killing them softly.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #166, 01-10-2013 01:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


looks very simmilar to the ones used on the 86 dodge omni hade to change them on mine in 87 brokem studs


Thanks, I'm going to see if If I can find 1 of them to compare.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #167, 01-10-2013 05:43 PM
      Bring this up to date this week.......

Started mounting the tail lights.



We removed the rear muffler cover. It was a combination of bolts & the famous rivits.



The three ribs across the muffler cover are pretty weak & fragile. We think we might reglass them from the back to make them stronger.



And, we need to figure out what we are doing with the pockets in the rear bumper.



We started glassing in the tail light openings.....





We removed to rear bumper surround facia to work on the tail light openings from the inside.





Then we discover even more work to do...... you'll remember that the lower right rear corner showed a lot of damage.

Now we see that damage from the inside. Lots of the sloppy patchwork on the inside.





Patches that were installed over the inside like the ones we saw on the front nose only lots more of them....











We've kinda been taken away from the tail light mounting while we get all of the patches off & prep & clean up the fiberglass so we can repair it properly. We figure that we'll have to put a layer of glass on the outside surface before we can take all of the patching off of the inside.

In the meantime, we finished the mounting stand for the left side outside mirror.









Archie



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #168, 01-10-2013 06:22 PM
      Looking good, Archie. Let's get this one over to the Construction Zone.

Bob


PaulJK MSG #169, 01-11-2013 01:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Bring this up to date this week.......

Started mounting the tail lights.



Archie


if it was my car, i'd mount the back-up lights somewhere else and make the all-red signal lights sequence like the 68 cougars and late model mustangs ....

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #170, 01-11-2013 06:07 AM
      they are sequential

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PaulJK MSG #171, 01-11-2013 05:47 PM
      you beat me to it - looks really good

Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #172, 01-11-2013 07:31 PM
      It is very enjoyable to read build posts on Archies work. He does some amazing things with fiberglass and I am sure that this rare Enterra will look better than new when all of the bodywork has been completed and the paint goes on. The light upgrades should really make for a big improvement..
Is the powertrain getting an upgrade as well?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #173, 01-11-2013 08:14 PM
      Lisa wants a V8 auto swap.

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #174, 01-11-2013 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Lisa wants a V8 auto swap.


Other than the "auto" (boooo!), this whole build is great.



qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #175, 01-12-2013 12:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Lisa wants a V8 auto swap.


So is Archie going to build a LS3 w/ Auto for you? I'd like to see a V8 Archie LS based Auto kit. I'd love to have a daily driver that has a LS3 w/ 4T65E-HD trans. Now I say this because as far as I know, Archie does not have LS based auto kit. If he does, then never-mind.

Rob


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #176, 01-12-2013 02:39 PM
      I'll let Archie answer that question.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #177, 01-12-2013 06:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:


So is Archie going to build a LS3 w/ Auto for you? I'd like to see a V8 Archie LS based Auto kit. I'd love to have a daily driver that has a LS3 w/ 4T65E-HD trans. Now I say this because as far as I know, Archie does not have LS based auto kit. If he does, then never-mind.

Rob


Troy says I'll answer this one.......well, OK, we are still considering a couple of options.

That's the best I can do right now for an answer.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #178, 01-12-2013 06:20 PM
      Last week, I had really hoped to have the tail lights fitted so we could see hgow they look.

However the amount of repair that the rear bumper surround facia is going to need is going to push that way into late next week.

Kris has got some work done on the pockets that the tail lights will mount into.







Archie


nosrac MSG #179, 01-12-2013 10:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:


So is Archie going to build a LS3 LS4 w/ Auto for you? I'd like to see a V8 Archie LS based Auto kit. I'd love to have a daily driver that has a LS3 LS4 w/ 4T65E-HD trans. Now I say this because as far as I know, Archie does not GM Does have LS based auto kit. If he does, then never-mind.

Rob

Looking good so far.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #180, 01-12-2013 11:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

So is Archie going to build a LS3 LS4 w/ Auto for you? I'd like to see a V8 Archie LS based Auto kit. I'd love to have a daily driver that has a LS3 LS4 w/ 4T65E-HD trans. Now I say this because as far as I know, Archie does not GM Does have LS based auto kit. If he does, then never-mind.
Looking good so far.


Wow, never thought of that, thanks so much

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #181, 01-14-2013 07:54 PM
      Some progress on the tail lights today.





These are going to look a lot better than the '80's econo box stuff.

Archie

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #182, 01-14-2013 09:05 PM
     
Back on page three there was discussion regarding the color of the back panel. Seeing as how the trim around the new lights is black, it would seem to me that the rear panel should stay white now.

With the black trim around the lights and bumper being changed to black, I think there'll be enough contrast to look really sharp with the white body.

This thread is great. We all get to enjoy the process without having to pay for the restoration.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #183, 01-14-2013 09:42 PM
      And as for you Patrick....

That hurt j/k but mama is worth it

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #184, 01-14-2013 10:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

And as for you Patrick....

That hurt j/k but mama is worth it


Troy, since I have your attention...

I wanted to mention that I have a special interest in this particular car. Bill's a friend of mine and I had a chance to buy this Enterra from him long before you got your mitts on it. Although I love the Enterra Vipre (due to both its looks and its Canadian connection*), I basically turned it down because there's just no way I wanted a T-top car here on the we(s)t coast. (And I suspected it was going to be a much bigger restoration job than I could reasonably handle.)

However, it's obviously in the right hands. When I see what Archie and his boys are doing, I know this beautiful car is going to turn out great!

(*Enterra Vipres were originally assembled just five minutes from where I live.)


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #185, 01-18-2013 07:34 AM
     

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #186, 01-18-2013 01:32 PM
      Still not 100% done with the tail lights yet. Kris has been home sick 2 days this week, but these should be done Monday.

Here we are building up the floors of the pockets & you can see a notch on the bottom & top. That notch is there to allow bolting both parts of each light together. The outboard light bolts in thru the back & is deeper than the inboard light. The inboard light has 2 little screws that originally fastened the two lights to each other. The inboard light also has 2 little screws that hold it's inboard end into the back of the pocket. It's taken a bit of planning to figure out how to attach the lights to the car & to each other so that they don't break or move out of alignment over a period of time.





Now with the rear facia off of the car again, Kris has made the last of the parts that make the pocket & has glassed the inside of the pockets.






In these pics. he is glassing the back side of the pockets. We also had to make a new mount in the center because the new tail light pockets eliminated the original mounting.







You may have noticed in earlier posts that tail light assemblies have a little bit of an arc in their mounting. Maybe 3/16" of an inch.

Here we are building up the mounting surface of the panel to allow for that curve.

You can see the arc here.





Here are the brackets for mounting the inboard part of the lights. They will be fiberglassed in.





I'll post some pics of the backsides of the lights later & you'll see what the 2 notches are for.

Archie

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #187, 01-19-2013 02:15 PM
      looking good

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #188, 01-22-2013 12:12 AM
     







Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #189, 01-22-2013 01:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Archie


Refreshingly beautiful.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #190, 01-25-2013 12:51 PM
      I bored. Please excite me.

nosrac MSG #191, 01-25-2013 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Wow, never thought of that, thanks so much

Archie


I knew you knew that but my response was directed to the person who asked the question.

Sooo, what Engine/Trans R U going with?

Can we have a public vote?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #192, 01-25-2013 06:05 PM
      We are going with an LSfur motor


with a matching ECO friendly Turbo boost

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nosrac MSG #193, 01-25-2013 07:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

We are going with an LSfur motor



Front or Rear mounted?

I heard they make a turbo carrot that is bolt on.


katatak MSG #194, 01-25-2013 10:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


We are going with an LSfur motor


with a matching ECO friendly Turbo boost



The Brown Mice are faster....... Let the powerplant flame war begin!

Archie and crew never cease to amaze me with their glass skills!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #195, 01-26-2013 07:52 AM
      update before thread gets off track lol.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #196, 01-26-2013 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

update before thread gets off track lol.



LOL, it's only been 4 working days since the last update but, we do have a few things to update.....



After fitting the tail lights, we glassed the outside of the damaged area of the rear bumper facia so that something would be there to holt it together in shape while we too the facia off to get to the repairs of the lower right corner damage & "slap patch".



Parts of the "slap patch" hitting the floor as they are pried, pulled & ground off of the inside of the part.









Now laying in a couple of layers of glass.



On the rear bumper facia we need to add the flanges for the inner wheel well liners.





And repairing the flanges where the facia will mount to the rear clip & for the muffler cover. When we are done every flange where 2 body panels come together is going to reinforced & will have new mounting hardware (no pop rivits)



Because we didn't want to remove the rear clip Kris pulled out the rear suspension so the he could sit up inside the wheel opening to build the flanges that will be used to mount the wheeel well liners.

Here the cardboard tooling is in.....







Then he got up in there to lay in the glass then after ir cures pull out the cardboard tooling.

(note we use a coating on the cardboard so that the cardboard pulls out cleanly)





(more in a few minutes)



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #197, 01-26-2013 09:26 PM
      On the front edge of the rear clip in the door area, there was a bunch of holes for fasteners that fastened the rear clip to the chassis on both sides. Because of the "T" top, we really don't want to remove the rear clip. So we're fixing this on the car.

We propped the body out away from the chassis & are glassing it from behind.



While doing this we are also repairing the flange that attaches to the rocker panel.



Glassing....







All during this time Kris has been having a fiberglassing marathon......

Glassing the outside mirror mounts that we roughed in earlier...







Finishing up the door mounting flanges...



Rocker panels.......





And glassing in all of the rivit holes that were in the edges of the wheel well lips....









So, I guess that we did get a few things done since the last update.

Archie

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Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #198, 01-26-2013 10:55 PM
      Looking Goood!

Ain't slingin resin fun?!

As always, outstanding work. That's gonna be another mighty fine automobile when you guys get done with it.

HAGO!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #199, 01-27-2013 08:19 AM
      thanks for the update

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #200, 01-27-2013 11:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


LOL, it's only been 4 working days since the last update but, we do have a few things to update.....



in a few minutes)


Sweet!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #201, 01-31-2013 05:37 PM
      Fiberglass flinging continues.....

Still working to correct the damage around the bumper (grill) opening on nose.







Checking out the door jambs after fiberglassing...





Working on closing up the rivit holes on the muffler cover. Grinding the old "skin" off of the fiberglass so that the new fiberglass has something to bond to....





The exhaust pipe areas (black areas) of the muffler cover are full of black carbon from years of running rich.





There's even an area where the exhaust tip burned thru from touching the fiberglass....



Holes are glassed up...





Here we are putting more fiberglass inside the 3 ribs of the muffler cover to stiffen them up.





Glassing uver the rivit holes in the rear facia where the muffler cover mounted to it.





Finishing up the mounting areas of the rear facia where we had previously glassed them ......





Here we have bolted many of the panels back on the car with the all new bolting methods (no rivits here)......checking out the gaps & fit of the panels.... We still have to do bodywork & filling, this is just to determine if we are done with fiberglassing in these areas.

























The door jambs after some sanding.....all the holes are gone......





Fitting the muffler cover so we can locate & fit the bolts that will bolt it together.



Finally for today, here we are glassing an extension to the inside edge of the rocker panel. this edge will go up under the rubber seal, so that we can hide the fasteners ...





Archie




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #202, 01-31-2013 07:52 PM
      dam nice jod on the repairs Archie and crew your doing a fantastic job on the rebuild of a relick from the past

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #203, 02-02-2013 12:42 PM
     




I'm not feeling the old style door handles. You could use the same type of set-up that JScott used on #014. You can then tweak the already side vent inward near the edge in order to use the GM style electric door poppers.

This what I would do if the car was mine, because it not only modernizes the area with the new Camero side mirrors but also tweaks the side vents too. This tweak IMHO doesn't take away from the original design, but enhances and brings it up to date.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #204, 02-02-2013 03:45 PM
     

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #205, 02-02-2013 03:46 PM
      JDM DE RACING WHEELS 17X8.5 +20 OFFSET, 17X11 +24 OFFSET. WITH 5X100 BOLTPATTERN. 3PC WHEELS.



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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #206, 02-02-2013 03:58 PM
      Sweeeet!

Carcenomy MSG #207, 02-03-2013 04:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
I'm not feeling the old style door handles. You could use the same type of set-up that JScott used on #014. You can then tweak the already side vent inward near the edge in order to use the GM style electric door poppers.

This what I would do if the car was mine, because it not only modernizes the area with the new Camero side mirrors but also tweaks the side vents too. This tweak IMHO doesn't take away from the original design, but enhances and brings it up to date.

I agree, that'd look very sharp and smooth the profile of the door too.



PaulJK MSG #208, 02-03-2013 05:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

JDM DE RACING WHEELS 17X8.5 +20 OFFSET, 17X11 +24 OFFSET. WITH 5X100 BOLTPATTERN. 3PC WHEELS.



since the fiero has "front wheel drive" type wheels, i thought the offset had to be 35mm to 40mm (?)


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #209, 02-03-2013 07:04 AM
      they should fit , fingers crossed

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1988holleyformula MSG #210, 02-03-2013 07:47 AM
      How deep is that rear lip?

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #211, 02-03-2013 11:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

How deep is that rear lip?


I'm not sure but we will know in a few days


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #212, 02-03-2013 11:18 AM
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solotwo MSG #213, 02-03-2013 09:34 PM
      give yall sum thing to complain about. LOL

solotwo MSG #214, 02-03-2013 09:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by solotwo:

give yall sum thing to complain about. LOL

just jokin but someone is always bitchin.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #215, 02-04-2013 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:






I'm not feeling the old style door handles. You could use the same type of set-up that JScott used on #014. You can then tweak the already side vent inward near the edge in order to use the GM style electric door poppers.

This what I would do if the car was mine, because it not only modernizes the area with the new Camero side mirrors but also tweaks the side vents too. This tweak IMHO doesn't take away from the original design, but enhances and brings it up to date.




looking to go in this direction using the middle rectangular one and paint it white to match the car




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #216, 02-05-2013 05:48 PM
     

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1988holleyformula MSG #217, 02-05-2013 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

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Looking good! I think the chrome lip will look nice:



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #218, 02-05-2013 07:35 PM
      thanks

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #219, 02-08-2013 02:18 PM
      It's only been 8 days but there is lots here to update.

Next up, it was time to redo the mounting studs for the rear sail panels. We are welding SS bolts into some steel flat stock...





And digging out a recess in the filler they had in there....



After a test fitting we will be fiberglassing the stud plates into the sail panels...





Using a little filler to hold them in place while we do the test fitting....





After grinding down the excess filler flush, we test fitted the sail panels. Then we fiberglassed the stud plate in....







While that cures, we are revising the mounting for the rear spoiler.

When we removed the spoiler, we found that you had to have a long armed skinny guy to remove the 2 bolts farthest from the only opening we had for access. We called in Abe Lincoln for the job.....



Abe, said he was good with removing the fasteners but even he wouldn't be able to reinstall the front fasteners. So he didn't want us to call him back.

So we came up with a plan & made 4 new mounting tabs at the back end of the spoiler.....





In the meatime as that fiberglass cures, we're back to the sail panels. We did some sanding then fitted the sail panels again....





We also removed the previously glassed rockers & fiberglassed the extensions from the underside.



As you can tell, Kris works on several area at the same time.

Back to the new spoiler, the mounting tabs get sanded & cleaned up for a fitting.





We also re-did the key lock cylinder mounting for the decklid. Before it was pop-rivited on & the cylinder stuck out 3/8" to 1/2" from the panel. Now it's stud mounted & flush.





In the meantime the Shop roller wheels come in....





More to come......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #220, 02-08-2013 02:47 PM
      Earlier when we were fiberglassing on the inside of the rear fenders, we had the rear suspension off to make room to get in there. Now we'd like to do some test fitting of the rear wheels. So Kris is going to do the mods for installing the sidemarker lights.......













While the FGlass was curing Kris was working on the rocker panels for fit to the chassis & some more glassing for repairs & shape.







Back to the spoiler. The middle 4 bolts that were used as studs were a little loose so we fixed them up.





The 4 spoiler mounting tabs provide for new fastener locations along the rear & we also added to similar mounting locations up under the area where Abe said he wouldn't be able to replace the blots he removed for us. Here are the holes where the new fasteners will come up thru the decklid.





.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #221, 02-08-2013 03:11 PM
      Finally (for now anyway).

The spoiler fits pretty much as it did before.





Fitting the modded rockers....





Got the fasterner up under the rubber molding....



Now with this mounting, Troy can use any kind of sill plate that he wants & still be able to remove the rocker panel if needed.

We have started to do a little of the bodywork







I'd like to make a note right here.

One of the things we've been working on every since we have been able to reinstall the Sail Panels is the originally the spoiler was touching the right side sail panel. It cleared the left side fine but was rubbing at time on the Right side. This along with the fact that there were no rubber stops for the decklid to close against, ment that the decklid would viberate and rub against the right sail panel.



So we needed to take someof the twist out of the right side sail panel. We propped it up at the top end....



And clamped it down at the back end.....





With the new rubber stops we put in we think this is helping.

Archie

P.S. Bonus coverage later today.......

Right now we are trial fitting the wheels......



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #222, 02-08-2013 03:55 PM
      Fantastic!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #223, 02-08-2013 04:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Fantastic!!


OK, just so you don't get too worked up.



nosrac MSG #224, 02-08-2013 04:20 PM
      That looks pretty damn good.
I like the wheel choice are those just "temp" shop rollers?
Any details about the interior choice?


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #225, 02-08-2013 05:07 PM
      I'm sorry I have not replied in a while. Archie, the work is superb! Nosrac, while they are shop rollers, I will be holding on to them for a while...Ladies and their shoes..... They do look nice though..... I am also feeling the door handle mod.

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #226, 02-08-2013 05:12 PM
      Nosrac, the interior will be black with white accents. I love amida's G1 dashboard. So if it's available, it would be my 1st choice.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #227, 02-08-2013 06:08 PM
      Simply beautiful!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #228, 02-09-2013 04:14 PM
      more to come

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #229, 02-14-2013 10:13 AM
     
I love the little modern tweeks,..mirrors, markers, wheels, etc.

What else you got in store ?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #230, 02-14-2013 04:11 PM
      this:

in this color configuration

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #231, 02-14-2013 07:50 PM
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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #232, 02-15-2013 03:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

this:

in this color configuration




Dang! you suck lol If this turns out half as good as we know it will this will become my favorite rebody ever!



Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #233, 02-16-2013 11:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:


Interior:











Your interior sure has alot of wear-n-tear...that is surprising to see in custom cars which are usually well maintained.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #234, 02-16-2013 12:42 PM
      She is in rough shape

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #235, 02-17-2013 09:41 AM
      This last week, we only got about 3 days on this car.

It was pretty much all about bodywork.

I know, bodywork is just about as exciting as Fiberglass flinging, but it's got to be done.

A couple of months ago, when we first started on working on this body, we bought a cheap Soda Blaster. Brought it to the shop & set it up. We wanted to use it to remove the multitude of cracks that were in the finish of this car. The Soda Blaster didn't work worth a xxxx. So we returned it & it's all about the handwork now.

So sanding filling, sanding & more filling was what it was about this week.

Here's some pics.


























The exciting thing this week is that the door handles came in.



Archie



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #236, 02-17-2013 11:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

This last week, we only got about 3 days on this car.

It was pretty much all about bodywork.

I know, bodywork is just about as exciting as Fiberglass flinging, but it's got to be done.

A couple of months ago, when we first started on working on this body, we bought a cheap Soda Blaster. Brought it to the shop & set it up. We wanted to use it to remove the multitude of cracks that were in the finish of this car. The Soda Blaster didn't work worth a xxxx. So we returned it & it's all about the handwork now.

So sanding filling, sanding & more filling was what it was about this week.

Here's some pics.


























The exciting thing this week is that the door handles came in.



Archie


Wow great work! This is one of my favorite parts were you see all your hard work take shape and see what you have done to create your dream or in this case someone else’s dream but again great work guy's!



nosrac MSG #237, 02-17-2013 01:43 PM
      Seems like this thing could have a Lot more trunk space.
I can't wait to see it with the shoes!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #238, 02-17-2013 02:10 PM
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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #239, 02-17-2013 02:17 PM
      It's hard to see in this pic but it has a second trunk that is removable. this is a plus becuase the main trunk will have the T tops in it when they are off.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #240, 02-17-2013 03:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

Seems like this thing could have a Lot more trunk space.
I can't wait to see it with the shoes!


As you can see from these pics, that were taken before we started on the car,

As you can see there is a fiberglass tray that sits in there. You can't really make it much deeper because of all the hardware beneath the tray.

You can also see that the tray has large radii at the corners &, with it installed, you can see down past the tray in the corners.









Archie

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nosrac MSG #241, 02-18-2013 03:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

It's hard to see in this pic but it has a second trunk that is removable. this is a plus becuase the main trunk will have the T tops in it when they are off.


Thx guys for the trunk insert pics as I didn't notice that before.

Forgive my ignorance but the T-Tops don't store up front like the sunroof?

Haha...Another LS7 / F40....


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #242, 02-18-2013 05:16 PM
      no its just going to be a LS? Auto

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nosrac MSG #243, 02-18-2013 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


no its just going to be a LS? Auto


Neoice...Someone said it was the year of the LS4..We will see soon enough.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #244, 02-25-2013 04:38 PM
      We built some coilovers.



And we fitted the wheels to see how much room we had. We have about 1/4" & we plan to add .180" spacers for these "shop rollers".



Then, once again, it's all about bodywork.

Fiberglassing door skins to get ready to do the new door handles.

After cutting out some of the fiberglass door panel. We cut a pc. of cardboard to fill the hole & hot glued it in. We glassed the outside of the panel & then removed the cardboard.



That left the outside looking like this



Then we glassed the inside....



Then another layer of glass on the outside....



Then it's more sanding & filling on the body.





Kris worked on the edges of the hood & around the headlight doors.







He also worked on the edges where the panels fit up to each other.









When doing the edges, Kris will put tape on the best edge. Then use filler on the opposite edge.



Then after careful sanding, remove the part, remove the tape then reinstall the part for a nice edge.





Then as necessary, we'll do the oposite edges.

Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #245, 02-26-2013 04:23 PM
      Thanks for the update Archie, BTW Lisa picked out the seats for the car today.
Did the new turn signals arrive?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #246, 02-26-2013 05:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks for the update Archie, BTW Lisa picked out the seats for the car today.
Did the new turn signals arrive?


Yes they did.

A


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #247, 03-04-2013 01:44 PM
      Great

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #248, 03-04-2013 05:17 PM
      Yeah, I know it's been a week already.

Times sure fun we you're having flies.

We only got a few days in on it last week.

Mostly sanding & finishing of panels & edges.

The mounting flange on the top mounting of the front fenders was kinda thin & beatup. Kris added a layer or 2 of f-glass to them & finished 'em.





And you can see that the front edges were finished where they meet the nose.





Also finished the rest of the edges where the wing meets the decklid.







Then we put the car on the lift so Kris can work on finishing the lower bodywork





I can't wait to put the tail lights in...



The lower bodywork & the rocker panels will be easier to get to on the lift.



The nose fits up to the front edges of the fenders real nicely.



You might remember how the headlight doors rattled because there wasn't sufficient bump stops to rest against. This shows the new lip with the new bump stops in it.











Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #249, 03-04-2013 05:41 PM
      looking good

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #250, 03-05-2013 05:20 PM
      This idea would look prety cool on your Enterra I think The LED's mounted to the front of a trimmed back light cover ?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #251, 03-05-2013 06:09 PM
      interesting Idea . We are already working on a minor nose job for the Enterra, nothing major.
Thanks for your continued input! please don't stop keep em coming!

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #252, 03-05-2013 06:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

interesting Idea . We are already working on a minor nose job for the Enterra, nothing major.
Thanks for your continued input! please don't stop keep em coming!


Will do



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #253, 03-05-2013 07:31 PM
      Just picked up a motor with 10 miles on it . It's a LS_

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #254, 03-06-2013 05:19 PM
      Time for a few updates:
as stated in my earlier post we got lucky and picked up a LS4
“NEW TAKE OUT FROM TRANSIT DAMAGED VEHICLE ** ONLY 10 ACTUAL MILES**”


Then this to go on top:


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The seats:

to be recovered to this:

to go with this:

in this color configuration


new front turn signals:
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next the upgraded trans..............

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #255, 03-07-2013 01:54 PM
     



diabloroadster MSG #256, 03-07-2013 08:33 PM
      Im glad that intake went to a good home, he had been trying to sell to me for my LS4.
What are your plans for a cam and converter to work with that intake?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #257, 03-08-2013 01:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

Im glad that intake went to a good home, he had been trying to sell to me for my LS4.
What are your plans for a cam and converter to work with that intake?


Troy already has the intake going for chrome plating, so it will be a little while before we have it here.

We're going to eliminate the DOD & put some kind of mild cam in it. We're not looking to build a race car out of it, Lisa retired from drag racing a few years ago. She'd like 350+/- HP to get it up near LS2 power levels. We're looking into getting a correct trans. built & I was figuring on getting the converter built too.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #258, 03-10-2013 08:34 PM
     

Coming out totally awesome.

Troy just curious, if it were not for the t-tops, would you or Lisa have had the car chopped ??


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #259, 03-10-2013 09:23 PM
      Uhmm.. Good question, I'm not sure but we wouldn't trade a t-top for a 2nd choptop. In fact if it were not for the Enterra we wouldn't have gone for a 2nd fiero.

PaulJK MSG #260, 03-13-2013 12:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

The seats:




Is the driver side power or manual ?

I hope Archie does a very detailed description on how these are mounted. Those seats are Awesome !

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #261, 03-13-2013 09:42 PM
      Thanks, the drivers seat is power

PaulJK MSG #262, 03-14-2013 12:57 AM
      troy, you have e-mail.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #263, 03-16-2013 09:02 AM
      The last week has included more of the sanding & filling.

We've found that shaping the rocker panels is taking a bit of time. They have some waves in the top & outside surfaces
& elbow grease is all we have to make them right. They have been a bit of a job to match up the rockers to the shape
of the body panels just above the rockers & keep the car symetrical on both sides.





We also have been filling & shaping the door panels.





You also can see some spot filling (pink areas) which means we're getting close.









Moving on to the muffler cover, we needed to build up some more fiberglass along the edges that will get fasteners





Then after re-fitting that part, we found that one of the ribs was not following the contour of the panel (it was sagging)

So we glassed in a ribbed steel reinforcement bar into the inside of the rib.



Because of some other mods that we are going to do to the body, it was felt that we needed to move the bumper in. After some
measuring & fitting, we determined that we could modify the current mounting & move the bumper in 1-1/2" & that's where we
have it in these pics. To move it in any farther we will have to find & build a new way to mount the bumper.



Note that as we move the bumper in, the gaps at the ends of the bumper will get wider as they have here...





Archie

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #264, 03-17-2013 07:33 AM
      sweet

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2.5 MSG #265, 03-21-2013 12:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

...You also can see some spot filling (pink areas) which means we're getting close.

Archie



OH man cant wait to see it painted!


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #266, 03-21-2013 05:21 PM
      This is probably going to be the best fitting / looking Enterra ever done, good work.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #267, 03-22-2013 11:16 AM
     

Archie: What size wheels are those (offset/width)?? Also, What's holding the coil-over spring perch up, shouldn't it be down lower on the strut, making it closer to the wheel??

Bob


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #268, 03-22-2013 07:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Archie: What size wheels are those (offset/width)?? Also, What's holding the coil-over spring perch up, shouldn't it be down lower on the strut, making it closer to the wheel??

Bob


On the threaded sleve subject.... we are using stock style struts & trimming off the splash guard but leaving the weld bead. The sleve slides over the bead & sits over it. We are using a short (8") coil (a longer coil won't clear the wheel).

These wheels are 17" x 11" with a +24mm offset.

Hope that helps.

Archie


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #269, 03-22-2013 08:55 PM
      thanx Archie...That helps

JPH87 (jphofeldt@msn.com) MSG #270, 03-25-2013 10:53 PM
      Looking good love the intake. I'll put money on it you will be well over 350 horse when your done it is 300 stock with a really shitty intake. I say this because everytime I look at mine the way gm necked it down I just shake my head what the were you thinking. Archie if your looking there is a guy in canada that makes turbo kits for the LS4 not that your interested in that but he builds the ls4 tranny up to take it machines the case for more 3rd gear clutches does alot more than Ive seen else where. good luck nice build

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #271, 03-26-2013 06:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JPH87:

Looking good love the intake. I'll put money on it you will be well over 350 horse when your done it is 300 stock with a really shitty intake. I say this because everytime I look at mine the way gm necked it down I just shake my head what the were you thinking. Archie if your looking there is a guy in canada that makes turbo kits for the LS4 not that your interested in that but he builds the ls4 tranny up to take it machines the case for more 3rd gear clutches does alot more than Ive seen else where. good luck nice build


I'm in the market right now for the transmission. I want to order the transmission this week so if someone has some suggestions, we would like to hear them.

Thanks

Archie


JPH87 (jphofeldt@msn.com) MSG #272, 03-26-2013 08:14 PM
      Cartuning performance I think his name is Kevin call (888) POWRFUL.
Local customers please call (416) 863-TUNE.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #273, 04-03-2013 06:45 PM
     

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BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #274, 04-08-2013 07:25 PM
      When are you planning to Primer/final sand? I look forwards to seeing the pictures!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #275, 04-08-2013 11:37 PM
      we still have a long way to go

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #278, 04-26-2013 03:58 PM
      Over a few days we're building a new decklid scoop from flat Fiberglass sheets we made.





We decided that we needed the outside walls at a 60 degree angle.



The plan is for the scoop opening to be 1.5" tall with a 1/2" rolled lip at the front.













We put a stiffening rib on the underside & made the top of the scoop have about a 1/2" rise in the top.















Fiberglassing it on...





While working on this we are also working on a new front bumper. I might post up on that when we get along a bit on it.

Archie



Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #279, 04-26-2013 05:17 PM
      Archie, Thanks so much for the updates. This car is taking shape and is looking like I envisioned and you guys are doing excellent work. Keep it going....

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #280, 04-27-2013 12:05 PM
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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #281, 04-29-2013 11:19 AM
     

Nice work !

BTW Archie, what is the story on the blue Lamborghini Diablo ??


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #282, 04-29-2013 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Nice work !

BTW Archie, what is the story on the blue Lamborghini Diablo ??


It belongs to a member here out of San Diego. We're putting a ZZ4 i it & fixing up a few things.

I haven't done a build thread on it because I didn't get permission from the owner.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #283, 04-29-2013 10:45 PM
      The scoop is coming along well.

I still find it hard to believe that most all of the custom stuff we do (on all projects) is made out of flat sheets of fiberglass made on a Formica table top.







Also working on extending the extending the inside lips on the top & ends of the grill opening in the nose for the bumper we are making.

We had to extend these flanges to put in the nut clips to attach the bumper.

We are still making the actual bumper.







Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #284, 05-01-2013 09:43 PM
      Hmmmmmmm,

I'll just post some pics.







Archie




TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #285, 05-02-2013 01:15 AM
      VERY COOL!

I look at a set of those and thought they would look bad @ss...I was correct!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #286, 05-02-2013 02:21 PM
      Got some Chrome in today.





Also working on the front bumper along with the decklid scoop & the door handles.







Also getting ready to mount the LS4 4T65E-HD pretty soon.

Anyone know what axle combination will work & what the left to right engine placement to use for the axles?

Archie

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #287, 05-02-2013 02:46 PM
     

Ahhhhh,..i know that picture for the front bumper,.. i first posted it on the forum a while back !

i like where you are going !!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #288, 05-02-2013 08:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Ahhhhh,..i know that picture for the front bumper,.. i first posted it on the forum a while back !

i like where you are going !!


Yep, I know that picture very well. Nice.

Bob


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #289, 05-02-2013 08:02 PM
     

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Pete Matos MSG #290, 05-05-2013 11:47 PM
      Whooooooh this car is just gonna be so badass when it is finished it is not funny. Best part is there will never be another one like it anywhere. Peace

Pete




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #291, 05-07-2013 07:35 AM
      Thanks for the kind words Guys,
Lisa defiantly has a vi$ion on what she wants the finished product to be. Now she has moved on to tweaking the interior to her vi$ion starting with the G1 dash by Amida while Archie and I prepare to Fool around with the power plant.

BTW Archie did the coil pack covers arrive?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #292, 05-07-2013 08:12 AM
      Yes they did. I'll post some pics in an hour or so when I get to the shop.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks for the kind words Guys,
Lisa defiantly has a vi$ion on what she wants the finished product to be. Now she has moved on to tweaking the interior to her vi$ion starting with the G1 dash by Amida while Archie and I prepare to Fool around with the power plant.

BTW Archie did the coil pack covers arrive?




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #293, 05-07-2013 10:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

BTW Archie did the coil pack covers arrive?












Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #294, 05-07-2013 12:53 PM
      looks good now we just have to send them to chrome

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #295, 05-10-2013 07:34 PM
     

The decklid is looking slick !

Combine that and the nose and looook out !

Other than the taillights you guys doing anything else to the rear bumper besides moving it in a little ?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #296, 05-10-2013 09:34 PM
      just filling in the two pockets

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Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #297, 05-10-2013 10:19 PM
      Absolutely beautiful work. From what I have seen so far in this thread, it sure looks like Archie will have this car looking better than new.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #298, 05-11-2013 08:33 AM
     

Hold that thought!!! After going over Lisa's thread pics and the mods to the rear we may need to keep the "Mystery holes" for something like this


If you look at the side profile of the car with the bumper tucked in (BTW we like that mod and want to keep it tucked in) if Lisa was to back into something it looks like the rear spoiler would take the impact before the bumper and destroy our new rear deck lid.

pics before booty tuck





pics after booty tuck





if we were to add the rubber bumper blocks and have them stick out just a few inches past the tail we would still have a tucked in bumper but with body & paint protection. what do you guys think?

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #299, 05-11-2013 07:19 PM
      Archie you will be getting this in the mail soon ..... start looking for a nice clean spot in the shop , Rob AKA "Amida" does great work.






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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #300, 05-11-2013 07:29 PM
      Yeah, those parts look great.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Archie you will be getting this in the mail soon ..... start looking for a nice clean spot in the shop , Rob AKA "Amida" does great work.










Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #301, 05-11-2013 07:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:



Hold that thought!!! After going over Lisa's thread pics and the mods to the rear we may need to keep the "Mystery holes" for something like this


If you look at the side profile of the car with the bumper tucked in (BTW we like that mod and want to keep it tucked in) if Lisa was to back into something it looks like the rear spoiler would take the impact before the bumper and destroy our new rear deck lid.

pics before booty tuck





pics after booty tuck





if we were to add the rubber bumper blocks and have them stick out just a few inches past the tail we would still have a tucked in bumper but with body & paint protection. what do you guys think?


OR, you could get rid of the '80's look and cut out the pockets & reglass the bumper.

Like we did a month or so ago.......



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #302, 05-11-2013 07:39 PM
      Never mind must have missed that update

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #303, 05-15-2013 09:51 AM
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85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #304, 05-16-2013 09:42 PM
     
I love how the dash looks

it came out better than I imagine

Lady Lisa must be happy


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #305, 05-20-2013 10:36 PM
      Thanks, she is

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #306, 05-23-2013 07:45 AM
     



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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #307, 05-24-2013 10:28 PM
     





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johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #308, 05-29-2013 09:37 AM
      This car is going to be silly sexy!!!!!!!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #309, 05-31-2013 08:26 PM
      thanks

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #310, 05-31-2013 08:28 PM
     

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #311, 05-31-2013 08:37 PM
     

http://fieros.freeforums.net/

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TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #312, 05-31-2013 09:12 PM
      Troy...when did you delete the info?



nosrac MSG #313, 05-31-2013 10:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Troy...when did you delete the info?


5-31-2013


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #314, 06-01-2013 12:44 AM
      The Day the Music Died

 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


5-31-2013




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #315, 06-01-2013 01:03 AM
     

Why is troy's bar suddenly in the red ?? Did i miss something ??

i suggest those of who enjoy his projects step upl with some green ratings or we may lose Troyboy too !!

BTW just gave you a plus troy !


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #316, 06-01-2013 03:51 AM
      What did I miss??????

Btw.... + left for troy

Al


turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #317, 06-01-2013 09:14 AM
      Anybody know what's going on? Is the build over? Has troyboy left PFF?

GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #318, 06-01-2013 09:18 AM
      madcurl and now troy what did I miss?

Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #319, 06-01-2013 02:06 PM
      That sucks....

Car-Lo MSG #320, 06-01-2013 04:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

That sucks....


The system sucks, small group of (-----) can speed ban a nice guy like Troy, who's NEXT ?


Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #321, 06-01-2013 04:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


The system sucks, small group of (-----) can speed ban a nice guy like Troy, who's NEXT ?


banned or not.....its a shame to see creativity leave the forum.

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TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #322, 06-01-2013 06:24 PM
      Well I too enjoy all that Troy offers and shares with the community openly....I too just gave him a big GREEN "+" rating....his creativity will be missed!

Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #323, 06-01-2013 07:32 PM
      Hope Troy changes his mind...has a + from me. One of the "good guys" for sure. Never seen anything negative from him about anybody. Don't know what happened, but hope it hasn't made Troy decide he doesn't want to be here!

HAGO!


BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #324, 06-01-2013 08:33 PM
      Well, I hope Archie still has permission to update this thread.

This Enterra is at the cutting edge of modern customization avaliable to the Fiero community and shouldn't be lost.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #325, 06-01-2013 08:34 PM
      What'd I miss??? Troy...Wat's up???

Bob


jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #326, 06-01-2013 10:47 PM
      I hope Troyboy decides to return to the forum, it would be a huge loss for this community...



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #327, 06-01-2013 11:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


The system sucks, small group of (-----) can speed ban a nice guy like Troy, who's NEXT ?


Agreed.

I am sure Cliff had good intentions when he adopted the system but,...... it is now turning into more of a childish chess game with only a small group able to manipulate the ratings.

For troy to get negged for just stating the facts, is pretty ridiculous. It is a mild understatement to say he is disgusted.

i was looking for something else he may have said, but c'mon.

First Madcurl, then Troyboy, and i now understand two other prominent members plan to vacate as well,...this is getting stupid.

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #328, 06-02-2013 10:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:


banned or not.....its a shame to see creativity leave the forum.



He's mot banned, (Note, comment withdrawn) I've always had nothing but respect for Troy. hate to see him be this way. This has always been one of the most civilized forums I've ever seen, but there will always be a few small minded people that want nothing more than to muck it up for everybody. Does anybody have a link to the thread that has put Troy in this frame of mind?

Archie, If you can, please keep posting on the progress, this will hands down be the coolest Enterra ever!!!

Joe

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Car-Lo MSG #329, 06-03-2013 02:44 PM
      Yes that's true, Troy had enough and left, same thing as being banned ! The system sucks, get rid of it and the DIRT is gone.

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #330, 06-03-2013 03:15 PM
      DITTO ^ What he said!

Pete Matos MSG #331, 06-03-2013 03:24 PM
      Jeez man every time I get on this forum lately it is just going downhill quickly. Between the fiasco with Dean and now Curly and Troyboy leaving it really sucks. I know Curly was HIGHLY opinionated and was not afraid to voice his opinion, but he sure as hell at least had some interesting fiero stuff to say on here all the time. Troy was also quite interesting and their cars were the creme of the crop here in a lot of ways. I am REALLY sorry to see both of them leave. This place is just not the same without seeing Madcurl bumping his favorite choptop and lambo door threads LOL... Really starting to suck around here. Peace

Pete



Car-Lo MSG #332, 06-03-2013 04:16 PM
      This what happens with + & - system, it failed big time to a great nice guy, haters with envy won.

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #333, 06-03-2013 10:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

This place is just not the same without seeing Madcurl bumping his favorite choptop and lambo door threads LOL...

Pete




And that's a bad thing???

Joe


Pete Matos MSG #334, 06-03-2013 11:15 PM
      yup sure is...

Pete



ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #335, 06-04-2013 01:58 AM
      x2 it sure is!!

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #336, 06-04-2013 11:33 PM
      Wow, some people just have no sense of humor, I seem to have picked up a neg over my joke, oh well!!! Being serious for a moment since it has been brought up, why is Curl's narsisistic tribute to himself, the Choptop Chronicals in the construction Zone in the first place???

Joe


Pete Matos MSG #337, 06-05-2013 12:25 AM
      well ya didn't get the neg from me. I am QUITE selective about my negs LOL... Peace

Pete



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #338, 06-05-2013 12:35 AM
      It looks like you could pick up a couple more negs if you keep trying.

From what I read of the way the tracker works is that it is sensitive to ratings over the last few weeks. All it would take to show someone like you a big dip in your triangle would be for 4 or 5 people to give you a +, not all at one time..... they could slowly spread those +'s slowly over a few weeks. Then if all of them switched to a - all on the same day......you could see your triangle jump to the left a pretty good chunk.

The long term bar graph wouldn't notice that action but the short term triangle could see a big movement.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

Wow, some people just have no sense of humor, I seem to have picked up a neg over my joke, oh well!!! Being serious for a moment since it has been brought up, why is Curl's narsisistic tribute to himself, the Choptop Chronicals in the construction Zone in the first place???

Joe




ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #339, 06-05-2013 01:24 AM
      I don't give negs freely either (that means I did not neg motoracer838), especially for someone just trying to rattle cages. Mad curl has some cool ideas and while I don't agree with all of his opinions and or his demeanor at times, I support his right to voice them, his ,last car was one HECK of a build and probably why it is in the construction zone.
BTW aren't all of our build threads a little (ok a lot) narcissistic?
Now back to the dark shadow.....any more pics Archie?

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #340, 06-05-2013 09:16 PM
      While I have been known to "rattle cages" once in a while, The conversation that has taken place over the last couple of days belongs somewhere else. Lets return this thread to the build at hand, providing Archie can.

Joe



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #341, 06-06-2013 12:38 PM
     
I hadn't checked this thread for a while, and I'm quite surprised to see what's happened. I have no idea what's led to this.

I gotta be honest though... it really annoys me when people go back and delete their posts for whatever reason. It's just seems so pointless.

It's obviously rather disappointing to see this build thread go sideways. I had an opportunity to buy this Enterra from the previous owner (a friend of mine) before it was put on eBay (and bought by Troy), so I have kind of a special interest in this particular car.

Hopefully everyone involved will re-evaluate why they've acted in the manner they have. Nobody comes out ahead by walking out.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #342, 06-08-2013 11:18 AM
      While all this drama has been going on, we've been moving along.

We've been working on getting the body closer to being ready to shoot a high build primer on it. While we are doing that we are working on the new design front bumper.

Here Kris is finalizing the decklid & spoiler (not pictured)





The grills were originally mounted with screws that went directly into the Fiberglass. We are working on getting the grills to sit just right in the openings & to change the fastening system to bolt the grills into something something a little better.





We also got a set of T/A? door panels in from JScott & checked them out.....





We've also been working on the front bumper...building up the thicknedd & shape.....







Sun cured fiberglass to add some Vitamin C for strength.



Also working on the rear facia to get it perfect....



Working on matching the slight curve that's on the backs of the tail lights.





Also the transmission came in.....







We hope tol be starting on mocking up the engine/transmission next week.

Archie

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IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #343, 06-08-2013 08:02 PM
      Archie, keep good notes on the transmission install. This is what I'm wanting as well (someday).

BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #344, 06-10-2013 07:05 PM
      I'm so glad Archie can still update this thread!

All I can say is great work! That decklid is something else....!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #345, 06-16-2013 02:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Sun cured fiberglass to add some Vitamin C for strength.



Vitamin D...Great job Archie and crew. And thanx to Troyboy for allowing the build to continue.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #346, 06-27-2013 05:52 PM
      Archie, how did the front bumper come out?

Bob


VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #347, 06-28-2013 06:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


It belongs to a member here out of San Diego. We're putting a ZZ4 i it & fixing up a few things.

I haven't done a build thread on it because I didn't get permission from the owner.

Archie



REALLY? Hmm, I so happen to live down in San Diego. I will cross paths with him sooner or later....


VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #348, 06-28-2013 06:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Jeez man every time I get on this forum lately it is just going downhill quickly. Between the fiasco with Dean and now Curly and Troyboy leaving it really sucks. I know Curly was HIGHLY opinionated and was not afraid to voice his opinion, but he sure as hell at least had some interesting fiero stuff to say on here all the time. Troy was also quite interesting and their cars were the creme of the crop here in a lot of ways. I am REALLY sorry to see both of them leave. This place is just not the same without seeing Madcurl bumping his favorite choptop and lambo door threads LOL... Really starting to suck around here. Peace

Pete




Madcurl got negged for belittling the Kitcar community. Guys like me will not put up with that. He shouldn't be bashing certain replica's for simply being a replica. Like Murcie-Me's car for example... Troy on the other hand I could see why that sucks.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #349, 07-02-2013 01:11 PM
      Let's try to get this thread up to date.....

More work on the front bumper









The tail lights have a little bit of a curve in them, so we have to duplicate that curve in the rear facia.





As we are at this, we are trying to get the various body panels close enough to paint that we can paint it with high build primer.

With just regular primer for now, this panel is looking good.





We are also working on mounting the lights in the front bumper.....

Working on figuring out exactly where to place them.....





Also modifying the lower front valance to mirror the lower edge of the front bumper....





Then we determine how much of a pocket we want for the lights. Flush mount or set back into a pocket.....









Then building the pocket using 2 pcs. of wooden block shaped like the lights.





Make the pockets & mounting tabs.













............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #350, 07-02-2013 03:03 PM
      ........

Working on the front bumper towards the filler primer level....















Working towards the same goal on the hood & the rocker panels.









Making mounting for the front side markers.











Same thing for the rear side markers





Work on the 1/4 panel vents. These parts had several cracks & sanding scratches in the jell-coat, so they had to be sanded down to the 'glass. They also had a rivit style mounting. We also changed the mounting of them to hide all the fasteners.

We glassed a lip on the top to fit up under the rear trim on the "T" top......





On the bottom we installed an Alumium to keep the parts from going in too far & a mount so that the fastener can be put in from the bottom.







Also working on the filler primer finish with the rest of the rear clip & decklid fitting. And we aorked on the gas cap cover.









Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #351, 07-02-2013 03:27 PM
      At this point, we have the Rocker panels, nose, front bumper, hood, front fenders, rear tail light panel, rear spoiler & decklid pretty much ready for the high fill primer. And we are not far away on the rest of the body panels.













Archie

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diabloroadster MSG #352, 07-02-2013 11:01 PM
      Progress is looking great!
Quick question- Do you use some type of small sander to to get in the corners and crevasses?
Im prepping my Diablo kit car for a respray and need some type of small sander to get in some hard to reach small areas?
Thanks


BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #353, 07-07-2013 08:06 PM
      Wrapping sandpaper around a paint stick or ruler is how I always get in the small spots.

When will the car be ready for primer?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #354, 07-13-2013 08:48 PM
      After almost another week of sanding, filling & fixing on the car, we finally neded the week by putting on the 1st of the primer coats.

The one body mod or fix was with the 2 triangle sections to either side of the decklid & behind the OEM engine grill covers. When installed, these covers were very loosely held on with the same fasteners that held on the OEM engine covers. When we got the car the covers were in the trunk.

Here are a few pics we took when the car got here.....
Notice the gap at the front end & the fit (or lack there of) to the decklid surface.







We had to fix them to make them look as good as the rest of the car.

We had to modify the fiberglass under the triangles to get them to sit in the right place...





The whole top of the triangles was the wrong shape to match up to the decklid & surrounding panels. There also was a valley in the middle from the fiberglass sagging in the sunshine over the years. Plus there were a lot of spyder cracks in the top surfaces of the triangles.



Here you can see that the gap to the grill has been closed up



With the triangle moved up to the grill, the tail is short, we'll be making it a bit longer.



The trick here is that with moving the triangle up we would have to make new mounting for the triangles & they would have to removed before the engine covers could be removed. with the old setup the engine cover fasteners held on the front of the triangles & a single self tapping screw held on the back end.

Kris had to come up with a mounting method that didn't include self tapping screws & wing nuts.

Here he has fabricated & glassed on 2 pins & one threaded stud. The 2 pics will slide into holes in the body 7 the stud will go thru a bracket & get a nut on it. You can reach that nut thur the trunk area.







Time to fix & fit the panels















All the time this is going on, while FGlass is curing, Kris is sanding & preping for some primer...







Piling up parts.....


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #355, 07-13-2013 09:01 PM
      Piling up parts for primer....



























Archie


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #356, 07-13-2013 10:17 PM
      Archie

you n your guys are doing a great job
that is going to be the BEST Enterra by far
I am looking forward to seeing the car all put together and w/ wheels
Keep up the good work

Thanks for continuing to update this thread

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #357, 07-14-2013 09:25 AM
     



Bob

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johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #358, 07-24-2013 03:35 PM
      + for the legend of Troy!

Bloozberry MSG #359, 07-27-2013 10:00 AM
      Superb work Archie!

akademikjeanius MSG #360, 08-14-2013 08:16 PM
      ANY chance of there being molds derived from this beautiful piece of work and offered to public as kit?

IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #361, 08-15-2013 12:13 AM
      Updates Archie! Updates! We need more Enterra!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #362, 08-17-2013 10:53 AM
      Updates are kind of hard to get around to lately.

With Troy not participating in this thread, it's kind of quiet.

Troy & I communicate all the time & I send him pics & updates.

But, here goes....

The day after we shot on the Primer Sealer, we put on a coat of High Fill primer. At some point, when we get back to the body, this will need to be blocked out then inspected for pin holes & sanding scratches & finished up to be ready for the final paint job.







Finally once we got to this point Kris allowed up to pull out the old engine.....







This engine was kinda LOUD



Working at the LS engine mounting



Headers are wanted but, since they will only exit on 1 side of the cradle, the exhaust pipe routing is going to get complicated.





Once we did a couple of fittings of the new engine. We decided to take a short break on the car for some evaluation. So we put most of the panels on the car. Note that the panels are not aligned or attached with more than 1 or 2 fasteners each.

When attached properly, they will line up & look good.















In the meantime, the center console & woofer thingie came in......... they look great.... good stuff from a good guy



(Kris is trying the headgear on)



We are coming along pretty well on the engine/trans/cradle but not much to really show you yet.

We have taken the front crossmember out so that we can midify it for the P.Steering rack.





.............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #363, 08-17-2013 11:00 AM
      .............

Considering how torn up & abused the body & running gear was on this car & considering how wasted the interior is/was......

The chassis on this car is 99.9% rust free........











Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #364, 09-08-2013 04:14 AM
     

Maybe i missed it, but what are you guys doing to or with the suspension and brakes ?


infinitewill MSG #365, 09-08-2013 01:00 PM
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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #366, 09-29-2013 08:57 PM
      Archie: We need an update, please?



Bob


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #367, 10-05-2013 12:08 PM
      OK, it's been about 7 weeks since I've had a chance to update this thread. So, let's see if I can bring you up to date today.

We've got a lot done in a lot of different areas in the last 7 weeks & we'll see if I can make all of the updates make sense.

It'll take most of the day to get this all caught up but the last few pictures I post today are real cool. However, I must post all this other stuff so that those pictures can be shown in context.

YOU are NOT allowed to jump ahead in this thread to see the pics. YOU MUST read thru all this other stuff before you look at those pics.

I'll try to keep this in order however, a lot of the different things have been going on simultaneously. So let's see how I can do.

Mounting the engine to the cradle wasn't so bad. I bought some mounts from one of the guys here on the Forum. (I don't know if he wants me to post his name, so I'll let him do it.) The mounts were for an '88 cradle & this is an earlier cradle. So we used some of his parts & made some of our own.

Once we had the engine on the cradle, we had to figure out an alternator mounting. We wants a low mount Alt. But it was clear that mounting the Alternator low on anything but an '88 cradle could be a problem because of the 84-87 rear tie-rods being in the way.

We finally found a location where the alternator would clear everything & started making parts out of Aluminum blocks & flat stock on the Bridgeport.













In the meantime, Kris was making the bars & brackets. (Including glassing the brackets inside the new front bumper) to mount the bumper on the car.





We removed the front crossmember to mod it to mount the Power Steering rack.





After a bunch of measuring & welding it's coming along.....











Another (hopefully final) trail fit of the engine in the car.





Among other things, we are checking for clearance of the intake & the P.S. Res. to the decklid.

The Res. tank cap is clost to the side of the decklid rib, we will be modifying that area for a little more clearance.



Hard to see but we have about 1-1/2" clearance above the top of the intake.



Working on a plan for the exhaust routing......

With the collector for the headers coming out in the middle of the car.....



.....A lot of guys (myself included) would just put a "Y" in to split the exhaust to both sides & install cats & a 90* turn to go out to the back of the car. This is hot rodding but it can be too pretty loud.

But Lady Lisa, while loving some performance & a certain sweet V-8 rumble, knows that she is less likely to want to drive the car if it is louder than the Hot Rodded Camaro the 17 year old High Scool kid drives to school..

So it's gotta be something she "wants" to drive without waking up everyone in the neighborhood.

Normally we would make the trunk smaller (shallower) & put in dual spun cats & dual mufflers & resonator tips.

But, this car also has "T" tops & we want enough room in the trunk to store the "T" tops.

So, we have to find a compromise where we have enough room for the "T" top storage & yet can mount a good sized crossflow muffler & Cat. under the trunk floor. We want to have the 3" pipe from the collector going thru a 3" spun Cat. & into the muffler then dual 2.5" pipes coming out of the muffler & going out thru the exhaust pip locations in the rear facia.

Figuring out room needed to stroe the tops.....







Cutting to begin building the new trunk floor





A few pics of the new floor after we finished it..







More to come.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #368, 10-05-2013 02:31 PM
      Over the last 7 weeks, we've worked on several areas of the car. These include Door panels, dash fitting, copnsole fitting, mounting seats, exhaust configuration, partial engine dis-assembly & re-assembly, cam install, timing set, lifters, pushrods, POR15 engin & trans. & powdercoating.

Hard to figure out how to post the details & not be confusing people.

Let's try the exhaust building. Here are some pick of the actual building of the exhaust.

The header collector had long pipes goingdown to the collector.....



We had to shorten it up.....



We put the car on the rack to build the exhaust.



To clear the muffler, we had to take about 3" ioff of the front edge of the muffle cover.



Some exhaust build pics.















We also were working on the door panels.....

This is what we started with



IMHO, the best way to do this was to locate the door handle. In a post by JScott (I believe) he posted up some dimensions for the handle location, so we tried that location first. It turned out to be the best advice on the whole process.



From there we started cutting the perimiter







We put green tape on the inside of the door frame where the door seal would contact it.



You can see how the edges of the door panel stick out from the inside door frame. That means that the door panel will actually extend a little farther into the passenger compartment thant the OEM panels. So you need to make sure that the trimmed edges of the door panels are cut back far enough to clear the hard plastic inside "A" & "B" pillar trim & the sill plate trim. There will have to be a return made all around the door panels to close off the ends & bottoms of the panels.









There is a "Hump" on the right side door panel near the top & front. This interferes with the new dash & will have to be flattened out.



No "Hump" on the drivers' side.



More to come..........



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #369, 10-05-2013 04:20 PM
      More on the door panels......

As you may have noticed, Troy don't settle for any of the parts on his cars not being well thought out. After trimming down the door panels to fit the Fiero door frame, we found that the panels were way too flexible & weak to put good quality upholstery on them & have them look & function good when completed.
These don't even look strong enough to properly upholster.....





Since we don't do upholstery here & since the door panels are made up of 4 distinct different parts. The only way to be able to have someone upholster the parts was to make it so that they could be disassembled, upholstered then re-assembled.

We identified the parts of the panel as Perimiter, Arm Rest, Map Pocket & the board.





The door panels were assembled originally with melted down plastic tabs (as indicated by the Red Dots) to hold the 4 parts together.



We determined that the board on the door panels was way too weak to support the other 3 parts. So we glassed up the board to make it bigger & stronger. Here Kris is working on attachment points for the arm rest on the new board.





Map pocket





Perimiter



It's taking shape





Then we needed to make walls around the outsides of the perimiter pcs.













He also had to make end caps for the arm rests.



While doing all of this, he's also removing the "Hump" in the right side door panel.













I also did a video for whoever upholsters the panels to explain this to them. http://youtu.be/kJCOYMslqIA

more later....


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #370, 10-05-2013 06:56 PM
      Installing non-Fiero seats into our cars is always a special challenge.

Sometimes you just have to switch over the rails but other times you have to re-enginer the whole thing.

On these seats the drivers side had power with adjustments in about every direction, including up & down. The passenger seat is all manual & doesn't go up & down.

Here's the drivers seat next to a Fiero seat.





Lots of motors under the seat & none of them can be repositioned to make any room.
Notice how the mounting bolt holes one the seat rails have the bolt going in horizontally instead of vertically (like the Fiero).
Also notice that there are no horizontal flanges on the rails where you can put a vertical bolt. You can't put the vertical bolt in the "U" of the rail as there is not clearance for the bolt head when the seat is moved forward or back.





The good thing is that the drivers seat does have a power lowering deal that can lower the seat by about 1.5".



There is a lever on the right side of the drivers seat. It's a "Firm" "Soft" on/off type lever.



The Sub box part of the center console is a bit wider than the Fiero unit & the lever would have rubbed it. Sonce the lever is just a 2 position lever, we decided to cut it off just inside of the hole in the material of the seat cover. It can still be adjusted to Lisa's preference & yet it won't rub on the sub box.



Anyway, all of this ment that the seat location is critical left to right. It took some time to find the sweet spot as far as location.

The pictures I took of the seat mounting brackets were lost, so I'll have to take more pics when we take the seats out of the car the next time.

more to come..........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #371, 10-05-2013 08:05 PM
      Other things we've done over the last few weeks.

Worked out the shifter, cable & bellcrank for the transmission.









The Cam, Lifters, Lifter trays, rockers, push rods, timing set, head bolts & gaskets came in, so time to take the engine apart.









Button it back up......





Some of 57 parts going out for powdercoating & ceramic coating.





Using a couple of POR15 engine opainting kits, we cleaned, masked, primed & painted the engine & transmission.



















The powdercoating came back in less than a week. I have the BEST Powdercoater.





Well that's it.

Here is the last few pics. Chrome Holley valve covers, coil covers & Intake being installed for the last time.







Thanks

Archie


fieroguru MSG #372, 10-05-2013 08:34 PM
      Looks great! What size camshaft did you end up going with?

diabloroadster MSG #373, 10-05-2013 09:56 PM
      Truley inspiring build, Im really enjoying watching this project come together....

Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #374, 10-06-2013 07:58 AM
      I just got finished reading all of the updates and looking at the pics that V8 Archie posted. All I can say is WOW. Archie, you and your guys are doing a phenomenal job with my build! Everything looks fantastic and the engine looks SICK ! Thanks so very much for the work you all are doing and for the updates. I have got to get out there to see it in person. Who knows, maybe I can get Troy to post on the thread again...

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #375, 10-06-2013 07:25 PM
      Wow !!!
Great job Archie n crew
I am really looking forward to seeing the car w/ the wheels n tires on

I really like the door panels

Lady Lisa, you must be very happy
Also since you are the boss, have Troy post here again tell him we miss him


Danyel MSG #376, 10-07-2013 09:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Wow !!!
Great job Archie n crew
I am really looking forward to seeing the car w/ the wheels n tires on

I really like the door panels

Lady Lisa, you must be very happy
Also since you are the boss, have Troy post here again tell him we miss him






Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #377, 10-07-2013 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Danyel:





Alright, I too.

Troy, it's time.........

chant POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! /chant

Archie


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #378, 10-08-2013 05:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Alright, I too.

Troy, it's time.........

chant POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! /chant

Archie


Thnx Archie.

Troy, chant POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! POST!! /chant

Bob


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #379, 10-08-2013 08:11 AM
      I'm sure by now you guys know what Lisa wants she gets we've been together since 11th grade and I still can't say no.

Archie thanks for all of the great work on her car and the great update over the weekend.

And for the chanting guys in the back ground thank you for all of your support on Lisa's build as your input has guided her and I throughout the build.

Ok Archie now don't make us wait another 7 weeks for an update

EDIT: lol, one post and my cliff triangle thingy is already in the red.

Great system you have there cliff , anyway this time I'm back for good and I'm not going to let a few "A"wholes chase me away so......
guess who's coming to dinner

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turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #380, 10-08-2013 06:37 PM
      Welcome back Troy .

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #381, 10-08-2013 08:28 PM
      First of all, thank you Lisa !!!! for getting Troy back here

Troy

Welcome back man, we miss you

Congratulations on being w/ Lisa since 11th grade, that is admirable
She must be a great lady

I am glad you are back for good


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #382, 10-08-2013 08:56 PM
      Lisa did not like the way the gray powder coat looked on her dash so I had Archie send the metal parts to me for a face lift



this is what I used


it worked fast


The aluminum had a textured look to it and needed a lil TLC


So off to the polisher it went and this is what came back





Lisa loves the look of the bling but the thought of having to polish it once its installed on the white ..... so off to chrome it goes


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #383, 10-08-2013 09:02 PM
      Lisa's new shift knob with start button.



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #384, 10-08-2013 10:16 PM
      Troy, welcome back, don't worry about the triangle, without getting any ratings up or down, I think it sets in the red, never seen mine in the green,

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #385, 10-09-2013 12:00 AM
      Lisa's reupholstered steering wheel to go with her G1 dash


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #386, 10-09-2013 01:48 PM
      I added a little green to your bar, I'm glad to see you posting as well. -Jason

VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #387, 10-09-2013 01:56 PM
      This got good real quick! Troy I must have that shifter!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #388, 10-09-2013 04:06 PM
      First let me say thanks for the welcome back post and PM's.

info for the shift knob
http://www.car-lab.com/shif...tart-button-red-led/
it was made for a manual shift but we will convert it to a Auto shifter with this manual to auto shifter adapter:

"Made for automatic shifters with a button. Enables the application of an aftermarket shift knob to the floor mounted shifter. Once installed the shifter is activated by pushing down on the shift knob instead of pressing a button. "

https://www.speeddawg.com/taxonomy/term/57

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #389, 10-09-2013 04:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

lol, one post and my cliff triangle thingy is already in the red.


It looks pretty healthy now. (Okay, I helped).



Welcome back.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #390, 10-09-2013 05:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

It looks pretty healthy now. (Okay, I helped).



Welcome back.






troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #391, 10-09-2013 05:55 PM
      now time for a few more goodies, Lisa and I always felt the Enterra needed a nose badge but could not think of what to use. Then this came our way


it's a solid bronze Pontiac Masters metal and should work just fine because at the heart of every Enterra is a Pontiac. We also like the fact that it can not be traced back to a specific model.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #392, 10-09-2013 07:48 PM
      I'm not sure Troy can handle an update in just 3 days but He'll have to take a pill.

Over the last couple of days we've been putting together a lot of black & chrome parts.

We've attached trhe engine to the transmission, painted the Alt. & the Starter & some other parts. Then mounted the assembly onto the engine cradle. Planned & ordered mostly Fragola Black anodized fittings for the fuel rails, P.S. steering pump connections, fuel lines, trans. cooler lines & fittings & P.S. hose hardware & fittings for the ZR1 P.S. rack.

The headers got back today from being Ceramic coated. The plan for tomorrow is to install the headers then dry fit the engine into the car one more time. We need to layout the wire harness, fuel line locations, locations for the other lines as they connect to the driveline. Then we can design & build the front bulkhead cover. Once that's done, we have to paint the engine compartment & we can install the engine for the last time.

Here's some pics.



Installing the powdercoated front crossmember



Painted all the AL parts of the new Alt. mount.





Assembly on cradle



Got the tires mounted on the wheels





It's hard to get good pics of the details when almost everything is gloss black.



Putting the radiator back in with the newly powdercoated mounting brackets





Kris woirking on modifying the wheel well liners.



New front shocks, Poly bushings & ball joints being mounted with the powdercoated "A" arms.



Headers & crossover pipes





Archie




Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #393, 10-10-2013 06:53 AM
      Believe it or not a double post from yesterday....

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Danyel MSG #394, 10-10-2013 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:



Welcome back.


Guilty too


diabloroadster MSG #395, 10-11-2013 07:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Looks great! What size camshaft did you end up going with?


I also would like to know, also did yall change up the torque converter also?

That LS4 is nice looking!!!!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #396, 10-11-2013 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:


I also would like to know, also did yall change up the torque converter also?

That LS4 is nice looking!!!!!


The cam is a Comp cams 54-456-11.

The trans & Convertor were built by Triple Edge Performance

Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #397, 10-16-2013 06:50 AM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #398, 10-16-2013 05:03 PM
      OK,

We had to buy like 36 different fittings & braided lines to hook up things like the fuel lines all the way to the tank, the P.S. fittings for the engine & the P.S. rack & the transmission cooler lines.

Here are a few.

Fuel





Vacuum





We put the exhaust back together for the last time...











It was decided that we want a front bulkhead cover & we had to make it before we could work on painting the engine compartment. So, another trial fit of the engine into the car so we could fin out how much room we had & also figure out where the wireharness, fuel, vacuum lines & cables were all going to be located.







The take the engien back out.



Building & trail fitting bulkhead cover.







Trial fit again to see how the cover fits.











Also been finishing suspension assembly.





Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #399, 10-17-2013 08:04 AM
      Thanks for the update Archie! Looks like we are on the homestretch.

1988holleyformula MSG #400, 10-17-2013 10:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Archie


No boogers on the shiny parts!

Thanks for the updates and all the pictures, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates seeing the work that's being done to this car.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #401, 10-21-2013 03:24 PM
      Let's go to the next page (I own this one)

Update.....

Before we can paint the engine compartment, we needed to layout where the hardess, cables & lines are going to be routed.





The fisrt thing in prepping te engine compartment for paint was to weld closed the small holes from the spot welds we drilled out. Then grind & sand those spot welds. then cleaning the compartment & hitting it with sanding paper & 3M pads to scuff the surface.











In the meantime we were also custom bending & connecting the hard lines for the P.S. rack.





Final preping for primer. We're going to paint the on the EOM front bulkhead & on both sides of the bulkhead cover.





The on Friday, just before we left, we shot the primer....











Right now we're shooting the color in the engine comartment.

Archie



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #402, 10-21-2013 05:10 PM
      ........

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #403, 10-21-2013 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

........


No kidding.

This is going to POP!!!!!

Spraying the clear now.

A


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #404, 10-23-2013 10:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


No boogers on the shiny parts!

Thanks for the updates and all the pictures, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates seeing the work that's being done to this car.


Pretty artistic don't you think.

Kinda' looks like a conehead.





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #405, 10-23-2013 11:17 AM
      Pearl White.



We painted the insides of the frame rails Gloss Black & then masked them off & painted 2 color coats, 2 pearl coats & 2 clear coats.





Then removed the masking.



Let's see if we can see the Pearl with the camera in the sunlight







Ok, back to work



Putting black edge trim around the bulkhead cover.



Putting insulatin on the front bulkhead (before installing the bulkhead cover). Also routing some wires that will be hard to do with engine in car.





Front side of bulkhead cover ready to go on.



Install









As you may have noticed by now, the color theme for this car is Pearl White & Gloss black. We've removed all of the brake lines & wire brushed them & painted them gloss black. It's all in the detail. We'd be getting hate mail if we didn't.



Also, the chrome interior trim pieces came in from plater.









Archie


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #406, 10-24-2013 12:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

It's all in the detail.


Damn, I can't help but wonder what all this "detail" is going to cost in the end.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #407, 10-24-2013 07:13 AM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #408, 10-24-2013 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

Damn, I can't help but wonder what all this "detail" is going to cost in the end.


You know, that's really the question. & it's a question on both sides of the equation.

For the owner, where do you draw the line?

You just painted a complete engine compartment, do you want everything in that compartment to look as good as you can? For example, the brake lines were in real good condition. They just had a little surface rust on the coils. Do you just put them in or do you wire brush & clean them & paint them?

For the builder, there are 2 questions, 1) If we don't clean & paint it, will the owner be mad when he sees it? or 2) If we clean & paint it, will the owner be upset that it raised the total cost?

These kinds of questions come up 50 or more times in each build. If we contacted the owner ecah time something like this came up, we'd spend as much time discussing it as we would spend doing it.

In this case, it was an easy choice for us because the fluid in the brake system was real bad & we wanted to clean out the insides of the lines anyway.

In this engine compartment, we had the same types of questions on the charcoal cannister & the fuel fill pipes. Do we leave them dirty or with a little surface rust or do we re-burb them?

The good thing about building a 2nd. car for someone like Troy & Lisa, is that we already know that Troy wants stuff done right.

Our biggest worry, is that we miss some detail or opt not to refurb some detail. Then a year after the car is done, The customer calls to point out that we spent all that money & you didn't refurb the dumafliggie up under muffler bearing bracket.

And so it goes.

Archie


Fierostarvin MSG #409, 10-24-2013 10:09 PM
      Archie, you have posted in other builds you make fiberglass sheets on formica, do you spray a releasing agent on first? thanks Jeff

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #410, 10-25-2013 07:10 AM
      Yes, we wax the surface (like you would wax the surface of a mold) before laying down the Fiberglass.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Fierostarvin:

Archie, you have posted in other builds you make fiberglass sheets on formica, do you spray a releasing agent on first? thanks Jeff




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #411, 10-29-2013 09:25 AM
      Ok guys Lisa has a question, should we have Archie paint the front compartment pearl white to match the engine compartment or just leave it stock (black). IMO I think it will look odd black


Edit: forgot to ask , Archie any pics with the engine in the car?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #412, 10-29-2013 10:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:
Edit: forgot to ask , Archie any pics with the engine in the car?



Yeah, I thought I sent you some pics but guess not.

Here we are putting the engine in the car for the last time.









Then we are working on making as many of the connections from the engine assembly to the chassis.

Here we are making up the AN lines & fittings to connect the fittings for the transmission cooling lines. We also did the same type of fittings for the fuel lines etc.



We wanted to get the car on the lift, to get to things up under the car, so we put the wheels on.

The stance is not too bad. The rear is adjustable with the coil overs we have on the car. And after the car settles down on the suspension, we may want to put on a set of Rodney's 1" lower ball joints. We'd like to drive it before we do that.







On the lift to continue assembly







Front suspension.



We painted the old trunk heatshield (with some high temp paint) & mounted it to the new trunk floor.



At this point we have all of the cooling system & pipes fabricated & connected. We also have all the new hardlines isolated & secured. We have the exhaust system installed. And everything else we can do under the car right now is completed.

Except for the engine wire harness, ECM & TCM all of the connections needed in the engine compartment are also done.

The pictures I took of a few of the above items, like the exhaust & cooling system connections, didn't record properly on my camera. So I'll have to take some more pics the next time we get the car up in the air.

We also have widened the front mount battery tray for the chrome Optima battery hold down & are installing it today.



We have installed the new headlights you bought.

And, we are finishing up the wiring for the tail lights.



Troy, call me today if you can.

Archie


Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #413, 10-29-2013 11:48 AM
      Archie, It's gets better every time I look at the pics. It's sick! As far as the front compartment is concerned, my vote is WHITE.

tesmith66 MSG #414, 10-29-2013 12:56 PM
      What's the steering rack from?

Nevermind, I found it. Corvette ZR-1 (I'm assuming early 90's version, not the current one).

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #415, 11-01-2013 09:25 AM
      Unfortunately Archie has informed me that the front compartment is already reassembled with the funky old black paint and at this point it would drive my budget up quite a bit to redo it in white. Any bets as what will happen before this car comes back to NY. . Unlike the choptop this is a one trip build and needs to be as compleat as possible before the trip home, good thing I have a auto storage unit near your shop . Sorry Archie but you should know me by now, so she can rest up in the storage unit when we complete phase one and redo the front compartment before we ship it home.


PS my motivation:
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

As far as the front compartment is concerned, my vote is WHITE.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #416, 11-01-2013 10:37 AM
     

The car is looking great !

Lisa you are one lucky lady. I hope my wife does not see this thread !!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #417, 11-01-2013 04:36 PM
      Troy...a perfectionist like myself! You know you are going to have to get the front painted first...or it will drive you crazy!

 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Unfortunately Archie has informed me that the front compartment is already reassembled with the funky old black paint and at this point it would drive my budget up quite a bit to redo it in white. Any bets as what will happen before this car comes back to NY. . Unlike the choptop this is a one trip build and needs to be as compleat as possible before the trip home, good thing I have a auto storage unit near your shop . Sorry Archie but you should now me by now, so she can rest up in the storage unit when we complete phase one and redo the front compartment before we ship it home.


PS my motivation:





Bozzie (widerisbetter88@aol.com) MSG #418, 11-02-2013 10:15 AM
      Builds like this are the stars that i shoot for. Amazing job and ups the anti for us all

Boz



Carcenomy MSG #419, 11-04-2013 05:27 AM
      I'd almost completely forgotten about this build. I'm glad to see the light at the end of the tunnel, that is gonna be one suh-weet Enterra when it's all done.

Troy, glad whatever the situation was is resolved and you're back, I'd noticed some disappearing posts and was legitimately worried about you dude!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #420, 11-04-2013 04:15 PM
      Thanks guys its been a fun trip building the car for the wife.

whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #421, 11-04-2013 08:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks guys its been a fun trip building the car for the wife.


Yeah. But what are you going to have to do next to top this one? Methinks you've set the bar too high. lol



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #422, 11-07-2013 03:57 PM
      Time for an update

We've been putting the body together for the last time & working on wiring the door panel controls.

Someone had been asking about the mounting of the seats.

We had the drivers seat out to get ready for the carpeting & to remount the seat controls & here are a few pics of the seat mounting.



We had to put new mounting bosses on the floor.







Seat controls remounted to the front of the seat.



I think that I had already posted that we had swapped in a set of the dual pop up lights.



When we installed the hood we found the most unexpected thing.

The Enterra hood is a fiberglass outter shell & a fiberglass inner shell & uses Fiero headlight doors. When we installed the hood, we found that Enterra had made their hood with the headlight doors 1/2" closer together than stock Fiero headlight door.

We couldn't raise the headlights with the hood on. We had to modify the headlight mountings to move them inboard to where they didn't hit the hood as they were going up.







Why Enterra would make them a half inch closer together, I coldn't tell you.

We made a lever for it & mounted Lisa's new shift knob.



We drilled holes to bring the power mirror wire into the car & did a bunch of wiring work on the PW's, PDL's & Power Mirrors. The power mirror control was bad but we got another one in today. (we'll try is first of the week)

We also got the front compartment battery tray & chrome hold down all done.



And Then Guess What









Cleaning & scrubbing a couple of times over....





Cleaning & scuffing up the plastic parts







It looks like the girl is getting a new dress put on....... don't look under that skirt.



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #423, 11-07-2013 05:27 PM
     
Thank You Archie!!

PS. The new OEM fiero T Top P seals came in today and look great!

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Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #424, 11-07-2013 08:36 PM
      Archie, thanks for painting the front compartment. It 's gonna look beautiful...

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #425, 11-07-2013 08:53 PM
     

Archie, troy, or lisa,....how deep is the lip on the front wheels ??

About to widen my fronts and i like that look.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #426, 11-07-2013 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lady Lisa:

Archie, thanks for painting the front compartment. It 's gonna look beautiful...


You're welcome.

Before we left the shop today we had it in primer, so tomorrow is the painting day.

Then Monday we'd like to get it back together.

Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #427, 11-09-2013 07:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

"Before we left the shop today we had it in primer, so tomorrow is the painting day."

Archie




Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #428, 11-10-2013 09:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Archie


Great minds think alike, when I did mine, I also had to modify my front mount battery box to get the billet Optima hold down to fit. Nice quality product and gives the front compartment a little bling. -Jason



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #429, 11-10-2013 09:31 AM
      Some more pics from Friday



Primer coat then Base coats & Pearl coats







More on this pic later...



Clear coats applied









Archie

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #430, 11-10-2013 11:10 AM
      V-8 Archie's, raising the bar with every big build.

Joe


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #431, 11-10-2013 03:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierofreak00:


Great minds think alike, when I did mine, I also had to modify my front mount battery box to get the billet Optima hold down to fit. Nice quality product and gives the front compartment a little bling. -Jason



Nice , I like your hold down tray. Who is your Billet tray made by?

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #432, 11-10-2013 04:19 PM
     

Archie,

Whose choptop is that in the background ??


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #433, 11-11-2013 08:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

V-8 Archie's, raising the bar with every big build.

Joe


Archie and crew are doing a great job once again and Lisa is ecstatic with the progress of her sweet ride.

Archie check your email for info on the gauge setup.


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #434, 11-11-2013 11:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Nice , I like your hold down tray. Who is your Billet tray made by?



Thanks! I bought it off from an ebay company called Wieland Custom Machine the user name is guyincognito2. They sells all types for different Optima bats. I wanted to get one from an off road company (their customer service sucks so I won't mention their name) that had a really cool logo, but their shipping price was more than the tray. -Jason

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #435, 11-11-2013 07:26 PM
      Spent all day cleaning & painting parts & putting the front end back together.

Almost done......











Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #436, 11-12-2013 05:48 AM
     

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #437, 11-12-2013 06:54 AM
      The added color sure looks nice.



Bob


Bloozberry MSG #438, 11-12-2013 07:42 AM
      Wow! That looks super sharp and clean.

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #439, 11-12-2013 11:58 AM
      WOW!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #440, 11-12-2013 01:56 PM
     

Clean !


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #441, 11-12-2013 10:06 PM
      Today, we finished putting the front end back together to where it was when we started the front compartment paint project.

To keep it all looking good enough to compliment the Pearl White front compartment, we cleaned &/or painted just about everything.









We also worked on getting the FBird armrest controls to work with the Fiero windows & door locks..... That was pretty straight forward.

Then getting the power mirror control to work with the 2011 Camaro mirrors took some serious time.

First we had to do some testing to make sure the FBird controller was a good one. (the 1st one we had was corroded inside & was not going to work)



The FBird control, would operate the Fiero mirrors just fine. But it wouldn't work the Camaro mirrors correctly. It took a bunch of testing & charting the test to determine that for the Camaro mirrors to work with the FBird control. We had to modify the Camaro mirrors to have 4 wires (like the Fiero mirrors have). The Camaro had only 3 wires, with the center wire connected to both motors.



Being careful not to damage the control switch or the Camaro workings, we finally determined that we needed to split the one connector & have a seperate wire for each of the motors.



Guess what, it worked ....... No Damage

Everybody is happy.















We even got a chance to fit one of the new windows.



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #442, 11-18-2013 04:57 PM
      Feed back needed!
we wanted to add an emblem to the enterra that still had something pontiac in it. This is what we found, different but still Pontiac:




Should we do it?


cyrus88 MSG #443, 11-18-2013 05:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Feed back needed!
we wanted to add an emblem to the enterra that still had something pontiac in it. This is what we found, different but still Pontiac:

Should we do it?


I love it! Go for it.


Boogaloo MSG #444, 11-18-2013 06:10 PM
      Go for it special car special badge.

IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #445, 11-18-2013 10:00 PM
      I say do it! Be unique as usual. But, recess it into the nose so it can't be popped off by vandals.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #446, 11-19-2013 05:29 AM
      Thanks for the feed back guys! We are going to have Archie recess it into the nose (great idea IwannaIRM) .
Archie maybe we should add a post to the back of it so it doesn't pop out like the one on the choptop did a few years back.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #447, 11-22-2013 06:54 AM
     



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #448, 11-22-2013 07:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks for the feed back guys! We are going to have Archie recess it into the nose (great idea IwannaIRM) .
Archie maybe we should add a post to the back of it so it doesn't pop out like the one on the choptop did a few years back.


Great idea...Love it...

Bob


falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #449, 11-23-2013 09:43 AM
      On the original car, is there any indication that this rebody was a canadian design ?



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #450, 11-28-2013 07:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by falcon_ca:

On the original car, is there any indication that this rebody was a canadian design ?



I haven't seen any I.D. plates that I can recall.

As I can recall, We do know that it was done in Canada because it was on the brochures that came out while they were still in Canada.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #451, 11-28-2013 08:41 PM
      In the couple of weeks we've come a long way.

We wet sanded the paint & buffed out the clear coat that we put on the "T" top parts







Mounting the Radio to the dash....& working on the mounting of the chrome console plate etc.





We did a lot of the put it together, figure out if it'll fit in the car & fit to all the surrounding parts then dis assemble & do what it took to make it all work.

This dash is hands down, the best Fiero interior product I've ever worked with.

Trial fitting into the car to prove out the radio mounting & how the back of the radio will attach.





Chrome radio surround



After some discussion we decided to not use the Fiero ODO reset button. (the GPS system can take care of that function) The hole for the button goes through the upholstery right at a line of stiching. We didn't want to take a chance of screwing that up so we didn't do it.





After modding the the Enterra instrument pod for this dash & putting the white faced gages in it, We found that a mod was done for the Enterra was a mod that kinda hurt the mounting of this dash. So, we had to take it back apart & replace the white plastic housing with another one we had laying around. The Enterra had 2 of the bossed cut off of it.

Enterra


Stock Fiero











The Enterra center console skeleton was a bit broken up & it had been modified. We didn't have a good one to replace it so we had to make some mods to it. The Alum. plate that goes around the shifter & up under the console had to be custom mounted to get it at the right level.





We also raised the entire shifter up about 1/2"

We did mess around with the door speakers but I'm not ready to post about that yet.



More test fitting to find mounting locations & wiring for the NAV, Sirius, Amp & this thing up front.













Also started installing the carpeting.



Troy bought the good stuff from ACC. While it takes a little longer to install, it is very plush & is heavier than the studd I ususally get from them.





Also notice that we remounted the NAV system under the passenger seat.



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #452, 11-29-2013 06:57 AM
      Thanks for the update Archie!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #453, 11-29-2013 08:48 AM
      Great job, team. She's a beauty.

 
quote
This dash is hands down, the best Fiero interior product I've ever worked with.

That says a lot. Great job, Rob.


Bob


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #454, 12-21-2013 01:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by falcon_ca:

On the original car, is there any indication that this rebody was a canadian design ?


The Enterra Vipre was originally built in Canada, about five minutes from where I live.

The designer was Joe Palumbo. You can read some of his history HERE. I don't know where he's from, but he's obviously a talented guy.


falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #455, 12-21-2013 07:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

The Enterra Vipre was originally built in Canada, about five minutes from where I live.

The designer was Joe Palumbo. You can read some of his history HERE. I don't know where he's from, but he's obviously a talented guy.


Thanks Patrick

There is also this site http://www.86enterravipre.com/history.html



Bloozberry MSG #456, 12-21-2013 08:07 AM
      Archie... you've GOT to ask Santa for a new camera. It's not too late.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #457, 12-21-2013 08:36 AM
      Thanks for all the great info Patrick, and falcon_ca. lol Bloozberry not a bad idea.
I'll look to see if I have a few teaser pics to hold us over until the next update.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #458, 12-21-2013 10:13 AM
     







Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #459, 12-21-2013 10:39 AM
      Gorgeous!
HAMC!


Bloozberry MSG #460, 12-21-2013 02:02 PM
      That's better! This thing is lookin' really nice.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #461, 12-31-2013 10:42 AM
     

zefferk MSG #462, 01-10-2014 10:29 PM
      Bump for an update please Archie!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #463, 01-25-2014 02:08 PM
      It's been a month. I'm running out of popcorn...



Bob


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #464, 01-25-2014 02:30 PM
      Update coming soon, but for now a few pics on the grill. Archie has better pics after it was cleaned up a bit maybe he'll post them .... hint , hint





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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #465, 01-25-2014 11:42 PM
     

Troy that is killer !!

The wife is putting some serious, serious heat on for top car in the garage !!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #466, 01-26-2014 03:54 AM
      Thanks Tony and thank you for your input on the grill. Archie and the crew are doing a great job as always.



I just picked up a nice set of Daytime driving lights, when I'm at Archie's in two weeks we will have to find a spot to mount them, I'm looking at the "shark gills" on the side of the nose or in the grill what do you think?



nosrac MSG #467, 01-26-2014 12:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Troy that is killer !!


 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:
Archie and the crew are doing a great job as always.



True ! True !


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #468, 02-07-2014 05:32 PM
      Had a great time at Archie's yesterday, and the pictures don't do the car justice. The work they have done is incredible and for the first time I have left his shop without any tweak request.... well maybe just one or two he he. many pics and videos were taken ..... time for an update Archie!! Cant wait to get this thing painted

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #469, 02-07-2014 10:25 PM
      Troy...I can't wait and I am so glad you are happy with the work he has done...the car is looking sweet in the pictures thus far!

When are you looking to get her back and into Lisa's hands?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #470, 02-07-2014 10:57 PM
      hopefully before mothers day.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #471, 02-07-2014 11:14 PM
     

more with Archie's update tomorrow


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #472, 02-08-2014 01:45 PM
      A bit of an update.

Troy was here Thursday to see the car. On Wednesday, we reassembled the car to get it all assembled so that he could decide what we still needed to do.

As I was getting ready to post this update, I realized that Wednesday was the first time we had the interior all together at one time. I also realized that neither one of us took any pictures of the assembled interior. I'll do that on monday & update this thread with those pics.























For Curley, It's not a ChopTop but it was cold enough for these pics.





Then on Friday......

Troy had decided that, in addition to the 'Vette rollers under the front nose, he wanted a steel "splitter" that could protect the underside of the nose.





We attached the splitter to the steel frame we made to support the 'Vette rollers.



We will be getting this assembly powdercoated gloss black.



We also mounted the Reflectors in the rear bumper. The reflectors are in the same position as the steel for the rear bumper mounts. So we had to counter bore the mounting hols so that we could use the clips to hold the reflectors in place.





They fit & look good.



Interior pics Monday

Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #473, 02-09-2014 10:12 AM
      Thanks for the update Archie ! I had a blast at your shop as always, but I still say NY makes the best pizza .
A short vid from the vist as it goes out for a test drive, she still needs a final tune on the Dyno. I like the sound of the cam lope


next this was us testing out different tips for sound (we liked it better with the tips off)

tips on:


tips off:


BTW the reason the outdoor videos are so short is because it was -2 degrees and windy in Chicago .

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #474, 02-09-2014 12:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

This is probably going to be the best fitting / looking Enterra ever done, good work.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


Damn, I love it when I'm right. Can't wait to see it in paint.

Troy, I agree, no resonators.

Joe



fieroguru MSG #475, 02-09-2014 06:20 PM
      Definitely sounds better w/o resonators!

Looking forward to seeing some engine bay pics with the aluminum intake.


nosrac MSG #476, 02-09-2014 09:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Definitely sounds better w/o resonators!

Looking forward to seeing some engine bay pics with the aluminum intake.


X2


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #477, 02-09-2014 11:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:




Oh man, that's sweet.

Looks good, sounds good, love the tail lights...


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #478, 02-10-2014 12:42 PM
      Thanks guys, Archie and I were so busy going over the check list and chewing the fat that we forgot to take pics of the interior and engine compartment , lol. We also love the lights but just wish they were brighter in direct sunlight.

Bloozberry MSG #479, 02-10-2014 06:16 PM
      Another vote for no resonators. Looks great Troy... I know you've mentioned it, but what color are you planning?

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #480, 02-10-2014 06:43 PM
      Pearl White.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #481, 02-12-2014 12:37 PM
     





























Archie


Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #482, 02-12-2014 10:53 PM
     

Man, that looks great! You guys need a sign to put up when you're working on that thing....."Artists at work, please don't drool on our project"

Thanks for the updates and pics. Gonna be another gorgeous ride from the A-mans shop!


HAGO!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #483, 02-13-2014 05:57 AM
      Thanks for the update Archie, and thanks for painting the doors black and adding the white vinyl until we get a chance to have them upholstered. Lisa is now giving me specific details on how she wants the finale door upholstery to be . a lil more black and a lil less white, she is also paying close attention to the final G1 door panels that Amida is making ..... just shoot me. Oh well cant put a price tag on the wishes of my High School sweetheart .

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #484, 02-13-2014 10:28 AM
      LMAO....Don't feel bad Troy...it is both are faults (issue). I think we were both wanting the panels that I drew up and suggested, but he wasn't ready.
It took me forever to get him to build the G1 dash itself...so I should be thrilled it only took so little time on the door panels.

You know I went another direction as well and had EVM_Rob recreate the Zimmer Quicksilver panels...which are just being finally finished up now.

Glad I have multiple Fieros...will end up one with Zimmers and a few with the new G1 door panels...I completely understand why Lisa is looking and understand the other side of the coin and why you are frustrated.

I think there is some lesson about patients all tied up into this...but I am in too much of a hurry to figure it out.

Thanks for sharing all the pictures Troy!


Jefrysuko MSG #485, 02-13-2014 12:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

she is also paying close attention to the final G1 door panels that Amida is making ..... just shoot me.


Is there info posted on this somewhere? I have seen several mentions of these door panels but I don't remember ever seeing a sketch or anything indicating what they will look like.

Edit: BTW Troy, thanks for coming back to the forum. I've been loving being able to watch this car come together!

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #486, 02-13-2014 01:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jefrysuko:


Is there info posted on this somewhere? I have seen several mentions of these door panels but I don't remember ever seeing a sketch or anything indicating what they will look like.

Edit: BTW Troy, thanks for coming back to the forum. I've been loving being able to watch this car come together!



Yellowstone is getting the first set, he leaked these photos on his thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/091367-5.html


Can anyone guess why lisa loves these?
Hint:

I'm not sure when and if she will get these but Archie knew he couldn't send it home with the new dash and old Enterra doors.

old doors:

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #487, 02-14-2014 10:05 AM
      Wow! the ride is really coming together, nice engine bay.

zkhennings MSG #488, 02-14-2014 03:05 PM
      I have been following this thread for a long time now and the car is looking amazing, it is going to look so unique and it is so clean it could be a factory car. Really really nice work.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #489, 02-20-2014 06:17 AM
      Ok its time to get ready for paint!! Can someone please photo shop these pics with the bumpers, and the vents that line up with the T-tops just behind the door glass black and the mirrors white.





then can you do one of these with a white bumper and one with a black bumper both with the area around the tail lights painted black


Thanks!!

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #490, 02-21-2014 02:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Ok its time to get ready for paint!! Can someone please photo shop these pics with the bumpers, and the vents that line up with the T-tops just behind the door glass black and the mirrors white.





then can you do one of these with a white bumper and one with a black bumper both with the area around the tail lights painted black


Thanks!!



OK I think I got it all













troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #491, 02-21-2014 02:13 PM
      Thanks bro!

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #492, 02-21-2014 02:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Thanks bro!


Welcome



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #493, 02-21-2014 02:50 PM
      My vote is for the middle one!

Want to see how the front is going to look as well


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #494, 02-21-2014 02:58 PM
      to play it safe we are going to paint it all white except the vent that matches up to the t-tops. We can always add the black later

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #495, 02-21-2014 03:53 PM
      White bumpers black border, but black may be easier to repair chips/cracks.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #496, 02-21-2014 04:50 PM
      If Lisa keeps the bumpers white I will have the clear 3m protective film put on them. I also like the Black around the tail lights but the boss is up in the air about it until she sees the car . Even if she says black I'll have it wrapped in black vinyl first to make sure .

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #497, 02-21-2014 05:47 PM
      SMART MAN!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #498, 02-22-2014 12:25 PM
      the car is coming out great !!!!

I love the engine


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #499, 02-26-2014 11:50 AM
      A lot has been going on the last few weeks, I'll try to bring this thread up to date.

The day after Troy left, we got back to work.

We still had to open up the area under the new scoop we made for the decklid. The original Decklid had an inside & outside skin, so we had to go thru 2 different fiberglass surfaces.



At the back end of the scoop cutout, we had to close off the 2 fiberglass (inside & outside) skins. So we made a Fiberglass "U" shaped channel & glassed it between the 2 exposed layers of fiberglass.



We needed to glass in along both sides of the scoop opening.





While that was going on, Rob made the radiator ducting for behind the front grill. He made it out of ABC that was bent & cut for a perfect fit. This is a one pc. item.









It was decided that the 2nd trunk area needed a fiberglass cover over it. So Rob also made a cover for it from some flat fiberglass sheet that he made up.











Here are a couple of pictures of the finishing work on the underside of the decklid scoop opening.





More to come.

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #500, 02-26-2014 01:35 PM
      Right after Troy left here from his last trip, it was decided that we were going to do the final paint on the body. We are not a paint shop & have never painted a Pearl paint job. The only Pearl we've done is Lisa's engine & front compartments. I have to admit that they did come out pretty good.

Originally Troy & Lisa had planned to have the car painted when they got it home. But, they'd have to make an appointment with a paint shop near them. Then, after waiting for the appointed date, they'd have to wait a month or more to get it back from paint. We would have also had to put together some instructions for the paint shop on how to take the car apart & put it back together & Troy would have to pay their labor rate for that too.

So, for a good customer & friend, we agreed to do the best we could here. While it might not be 100% perfect when we get done, we think we can get it to 95%.

So, prep begins for that part of the project.

Since we are going to paint the underside of the hood & decklid, that means that we are working on a lot of different surfaces. Going over all of the surfaces with 220 grit. getting into all pockets, like the hood louvers into all corners & lands & the long slots in the muffler cover etc.. Also in all the vent slots.... we have to sand to make them uniform & straight with good radii in the corners.

Then we inspect the surfaces for pin holes or imperfections & fill those as we find them. Then we sand those areas again with 220 G. Once we have all the pin holes eliminated, we will be priming them & then sanding the primer with 600 Grit. Filling any new pin holes we find & repeating the process as needed. Then we'll be ready to put down the paint.

On Fiberglass parts, you get pin holes that show up as you sand the surfaces. You can't help but get them....... you only hope is that you find & fill all of them.

As we surveyed the project, we find that the body consists of some 29 Fiberglass parts. Some of them will have to be painted inside & outside.

So, that amounts to plenty of work.

Continuing from where we left off, we began by preping the undersides of the decklid & hood.







Working on the outsides of the hood, decklid & muffler cover.











Filling pin holes then sanding again.













Then we did the proper primer on the 1st batch of parts.















More to come...

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #501, 02-26-2014 02:41 PM
      Then it was on to the 2nd. batch of parts. Including the Door panels, front fenders, rocker panels, the nose & the outsides of the hood & decklid.





















After the prep work, we set up to do the 2nd round of primer.









Then, yesterday afternoon, we shot the primer.....













Today, We got the car in a position where we could start preping the rest of the parts & main body sections.





Archie


BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #502, 02-26-2014 04:14 PM
      You guys are planning on using a downdraft paint booth to spray the top coats, right? What kind of spray equipment do you have access to? Sata or equivalent?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #503, 02-26-2014 09:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackEmrald:

You guys are planning on using a downdraft paint booth to spray the top coats, right? What kind of spray equipment do you have access to? Sata or equivalent?


You know, when I was writting the above posts today, I considered, putting in a line that I Don't care to answer a bunch of questions like those you have above. I didn't want to put that line in because I didn't want to be rude.

I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.

WE don't like (or want) to do paint jobs here & the only reason we are doing this one is out of the direct request of a dear friend & customer. My customer & his boss know exactly what they're getting & how it's going to be done.

So, the answers to your questions are No, I don't know & I don't know right now.

Thanks

Archie

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #504, 02-26-2014 10:23 PM
      Thanks Archie! everything is looking great and Lisa is very excited about the paint job.

Diamond Dave MSG #505, 02-27-2014 07:35 AM
      Hey Archie. Now that you have one Enterra under your belt. Would I be in Ferrari land if I wanted you to do mine? I wouldn't need alot of the repairs as that car from Washington. Basically I would be happy with a few slight modifications. Mine is basically in good shape. A few rust areas but nothing as bad as what your finishing up. Now that you have your head wrapped around it do you have a ballpark for the body work? Ireally like the interior. It grows on you . I'm thinking green car with gold pearl overlay with my black interior. Call me sometine soon.

Diamond Dave MSG #506, 02-27-2014 07:42 AM
      Hey Archie. Now that you have one Enterra under your belt. Would I be in Ferrari land if I wanted you to do mine? I wouldn't need alot of the repairs as that car from Washington. Basically I would be happy with a few slight modifications. Mine is basically in good shape. A few rust areas but nothing as bad as what your finishing up. Now that you have your head wrapped around it do you have a ballpark for the body work? Ireally like the interior. It grows on you . I'm thinking green car with gold pearl overlay with my black interior. Call me sometine soon.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #507, 02-27-2014 08:20 AM
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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #508, 02-27-2014 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


You know, when I was writting the above posts today, I considered, putting in a line that I Don't care to answer a bunch of questions like those you have above. I didn't want to put that line in because I didn't want to be rude.

I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.

WE don't like (or want) to do paint jobs here & the only reason we are doing this one is out of the direct request of a dear friend & customer. My customer & his boss know exactly what they're getting & how it's going to be done.

So, the answers to your questions are No, I don't know & I don't know right now.

Thanks

Archie



Archie, I have seen some very nice paint jobs come out of garages over the years, keep doing what your doing.

Joe


BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #509, 02-27-2014 04:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I'm not really interesting in having this thread turn into a bashing session on garage vs booth paint jobs.

Thanks

Archie



Don't misunderstand, I have no intention of bashing this thread, this build, or you or your shop.

The only reason I brought it up is because you are planning on using a high pearl paint which are usually applied in a tri-coat system. The paint is going ot have to be wet for longer than normal. I am confident that you know about the benefits of paint booths, I don't need to explain that.

I just want to see this car get finished up the best way possible, and pearl finishes can be so sensitive and are really hard to fix if there is an issue.

Just want this car to realize the fullest extent of the potential that you guys have brought out.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #510, 02-27-2014 07:53 PM
      No problem.

We used this same paint system when we painted the engine compartment & when we did the front storage compartment & it actually came out pretty good.

This body consists of some 29 different fiberglass parts of various sizes. We will be painting most of the parts off of the car, so that we can cover the mating surfaces where the panels bolt together. That way all surfaces, that anyone can see, of each part will have the base, Pearl & clear coats on them. So it's going to be a much bigger job & we won't be able to paint all the parts on the same day.

The good part is that it is White & should be more forgiving than something like Pearl Orange or Green or anything like that.

Any pointers you might have are welcome, if you want to share.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by BlackEmrald:


Don't misunderstand, I have no intention of bashing this thread, this build, or you or your shop.

The only reason I brought it up is because you are planning on using a high pearl paint which are usually applied in a tri-coat system. The paint is going ot have to be wet for longer than normal. I am confident that you know about the benefits of paint booths, I don't need to explain that.

I just want to see this car get finished up the best way possible, and pearl finishes can be so sensitive and are really hard to fix if there is an issue.

Just want this car to realize the fullest extent of the potential that you guys have brought out.

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BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #511, 02-28-2014 12:48 PM
      Well, for an in-shop paint job, I would section off the area you are going to spray as much as possible, and get some air moving in there. Dampening the floor will cut down on the dust you will kick up off the floor.

As for the paint, you need to be REALLY careful and consistent with the pearl coat. You need to have the exact same overlap, as well as distance from the panel or you will end up with tiger stripes, dark spots, or mottling especially on the hoods and roof. Paint the car assembled as much as you can, so that the pearl is the same on every panel. Spray the whole side at once, not fender/door/quarter like a lot of guys do, or you will end up with dark spots on all the panel gaps. Keep in mind that pearl jobs and just under Kandy on the difficulty scale of paint jobs, and a lot of the same rules apply.

See about getting a desiccant and air filtration for the air that you are going to spray with, if you don't already have one.

I always recommend using the best spray equipment you can get your hands on. Maybe use you contacts to see about having a paint shop loan you a Sata or equivalent BC gun and CC gun. Good guns make a world of difference.

Maybe see about watching some Youtube video's about spraying pearl, there are lots of good ones out there that the paint manufacturers put out.

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Firefox MSG #512, 02-28-2014 07:00 PM
      The paint that they are using doesn't stay wet for any longer than any other color. The base is a simple easy white and the pearl is a really nice mixture that isn't any harder to spray than any high metallic they have sprayed in the past. Even though they are painting the car in pieces the only real concern with this particular paint color mixture is to be a little more careful with the spray patterns. This color will lay out really nice and should be only a moderately difficult paint to lay down and match.

I've sprayed some of Archie's cars in his shop and he does a really nice job of turning the spray area into a paint booth and the paint work comes out very nice. The guys have been spraying for quite some time now and have turned out a lot of really beautiful work and even though they are shooting a pearl on this car they will do just fine. The spraying of the other components have already taught them about the characteristics of the paint so they already know what to expect. They have great equipment and know how to use it.

The car is in great hands.

Good luck, guys....

Mark the paint guy

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #513, 03-01-2014 10:16 AM
      Ok time for a small update, Lisa has asked for the new door panels that Amida is making. This change requires us to relocate the window and mirror switches back to the center console . I do not like the look or color of the old switch set up when paired with the G1 dash so..... This is what we just ordered to fit into the center console

to control the 2013 Camaro mirrors


and this should look nice with the Blue dash lighting

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #514, 03-01-2014 05:47 PM
      Kinda putting it on a little heavy there Mark LOL.

Thanks for your confidence.

We will do as good as we can.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Firefox:

The paint that they are using doesn't stay wet for any longer than any other color. The base is a simple easy white and the pearl is a really nice mixture that isn't any harder to spray than any high metallic they have sprayed in the past. Even though they are painting the car in pieces the only real concern with this particular paint color mixture is to be a little more careful with the spray patterns. This color will lay out really nice and should be only a moderately difficult paint to lay down and match.

I've sprayed some of Archie's cars in his shop and he does a really nice job of turning the spray area into a paint booth and the paint work comes out very nice. The guys have been spraying for quite some time now and have turned out a lot of really beautiful work and even though they are shooting a pearl on this car they will do just fine. The spraying of the other components have already taught them about the characteristics of the paint so they already know what to expect. They have great equipment and know how to use it.

The car is in great hands.

Good luck, guys....

Mark the paint guy





KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #515, 03-03-2014 02:13 PM
      Great build.
I love the v8archie under the fender on the frame. Every work of art needs a signature


2.5 MSG #516, 03-05-2014 04:52 PM
      Everyrtime I look in this thread I want an Enterra.
Good work guys.


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #517, 03-06-2014 03:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Ok time for a small update, Lisa has asked for the new door panels that Amida is making. This change requires us to relocate the window and mirror switches back to the center console . I do not like the look or color of the old switch set up when paired with the G1 dash so..... This is what we just ordered to fit into the center console

to control the 2013 Camaro mirrors


and this should look nice with the Blue dash lighting





Troy...I knew that was coming...don't feel bad...I am purchasing a set for BluDrm...even though the Zimmer Quicksilver door panels were book-marked for BluDrm and are just about finished as well...it is the way it goes!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #518, 03-07-2014 10:01 PM
      Working on the 3rd.(last) batch of parts.















The line between the top & bottom of the R. side door was not as defined as it is on the L.Side so we decided to fix it.







Start masking it off for the Primer.















Then we shot the primer









Beginning to wet sand the primer.













WE found that the OEM hood skin has a slight flaw in the accent lines right up towards the front. So we fixed it.







Then we reprimed it.



Rob & Kris



Have a nice weekend.

Archie



Diamond Dave MSG #519, 03-07-2014 11:49 PM
      There was some discussion about the Enterra's origins. The Enterra was indeed made in Canada from1985 to 1987. It was then sold to a company in California who produced only 2 1988's. They were allowed to build bodies for the fieros but also were only allowed to be sold through a Pontiac dealer. The molds were required to be destroyed so someone could not produce copies. In all only 38 were built, 36 from Canada. There are no know spare parts available. Aldino is walking a very close line in reproducing such close replicas that are so close in shape to the Enterra. There is only one other known Enterra ever produced and that was made for an invester in the Enterra Company. They used his 1984 4 cylinder Fiero. It was upgraded with a V6 and has a 4 speed tranny. It was made with the 2nd generation body which was known for it's improved fitment. So far I have only heard of 3 that had V8 upgrades. Mine I hope will be the forth. I almost bought Lady Lisa's from Bill but got scared of from all the damage. Troy has deeper pockets than I. ;-))

This has trurned out to be the best build in my eyes by far. I am so happy for LL and hopes she drives it and enjoys this car to the max. Archie pulled out all the stops on this one. What a build! Way to go Archie and crew. Whooohooo!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #520, 03-08-2014 01:32 AM
      After reading Diamond's post....Troy, Lisa, Archie...you should make molds of these panels now...it truly may be one of the last times to make a clean set of molds!

I think after this build thread...there are a few more people who would consider having one as well!

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #521, 03-08-2014 06:32 AM
      Wow Archie It's coming along nicely. I should have a box of goodies ready to ship to you by Tuesday, the window buttons, trunk seal, mirror controller with pigtail, and blue glow dash buttons should all be in.. Also thanks for making the changes for the New, new mirrors. Lisa had us update her New Camaro mirrors to a set of 2013 Camaro concept mirrors. They look more like the ones used in the movie and are not as big as the stock Camaro mirrors and have LEDs. Have a great weekend!!


D Dave and TX thanks for the kind words , lisa is like a kid before Xmas

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akademikjeanius MSG #522, 03-08-2014 10:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

After reading Diamond's post....Troy, Lisa, Archie...you should make molds of these panels now...it truly may be one of the last times to make a clean set of molds!

I think after this build thread...there are a few more people who would consider having one as well!



+1(000,000,000)


Diamond Dave MSG #523, 03-09-2014 05:56 AM
      There was some discussion about the Enterra's origins. The Enterra was indeed made in Canada from1985 to 1987. It was then sold to a company in California who produced only 2 1988's. They were allowed to build bodies for the fieros but also were only allowed to be sold through a Pontiac dealer. The molds were required to be destroyed so someone could not produce copies. In all only 38 were built, 36 from Canada. There are no know spare parts available. Aldino is walking a very close line in reproducing such close replicas that are so close in shape to the Enterra. There is only one other known Enterra ever produced and that was made for an invester in the Enterra Company. They used his 1984 4 cylinder Fiero. It was upgraded with a V6 and has a 4 speed tranny. It was made with the 2nd generation body which was known for it's improved fitment. So far I have only heard of 3 that had V8 upgrades. Mine I hope will be the forth. I almost bought Lady Lisa's from Bill but got scared of from all the damage. Troy has deeper pockets than I. ;-))

This has trurned out to be the best build in my eyes by far. I am so happy for LL and hopes she drives it and enjoys this car to the max. Archie pulled out all the stops on this one. What a build! Way to go Archie and crew. Whooohooo!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #524, 03-09-2014 10:16 AM
      UPS stopped by yesterday




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #525, 03-09-2014 10:35 AM
      Pics of the new mirrors before paint



with the exception of the thin LED strip the mirror will be painted the same peal white as the car


BrittB MSG #526, 03-09-2014 01:41 PM
      Wow, this thread sure gives me food for thought. More like an all you can eat!

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #527, 03-12-2014 02:26 PM
      But Archie you have to remember your 95% will be most shop's 103%...

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #528, 03-12-2014 07:22 PM
      Troy...What is the specific part number for the power mirror switch...I was looking at utilizing that one on barbie with her new G1 dash and door panels I just ordered (weeks ago).

Reason I am looking for part number...is I can't find one with a chrome bezel like the one in your picture....which will go better with G1 trim.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #529, 03-12-2014 08:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

Troy...What is the specific part number for the power mirror switch...I was looking at utilizing that one on barbie with her new G1 dash and door panels I just ordered (weeks ago).

Reason I am looking for part number...is I can't find one with a chrome bezel like the one in your picture....which will go better with G1 trim.

I don't have part numbers , I just ordered them from eBay . Search 10-14 camaro mirror switch and a few should pop up, when you order make sure they also have the pigtail. The chrome bezel is an after market add on also from eBay .
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201...&hash=item19e1107286

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TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #530, 03-12-2014 09:34 PM
      I already had the switch...didn't know chrome bezel was an add-on...just ordered one...thanks!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #531, 03-13-2014 03:43 PM
      A lot of painting going on at the shop today!

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #532, 03-13-2014 03:55 PM
      an·tic·i·pa·tion[ an tìssi páysh'n ]
expectant waiting: the feeling of looking forward, usually excitedly or eagerly, to something that is going to happen
premature use of funds: the seizure or use of funds before they are legally available, especially from a trust fund
note played before chord: a note related to a chord that is played just before the chord itself
Hmmm...does this apply here?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #533, 03-14-2014 10:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

an·tic·i·pa·tion[ an tìssi páysh'n ]
expectant waiting: the feeling of looking forward, usually excitedly or eagerly, to something that is going to happen
premature use of funds: the seizure or use of funds before they are legally available, especially from a trust fund
note played before chord: a note related to a chord that is played just before the chord itself
Hmmm...does this apply here?


Archie will have to post the full update, but here are a few






Archie has more pics of the setup and the paint crew who are doing a fantastic job!!!!!!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #534, 03-14-2014 11:05 AM
      WOW! :


OverKill MSG #535, 03-14-2014 03:07 PM
      The color looks really nice in person. I can't wait to see it buffed and assembled out in the sun. I can post some pictures as well that were taken during the paint process.

Ethan


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #536, 03-14-2014 03:57 PM
      Those car stands under the front bumper never looked better, I'm sure!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #537, 03-14-2014 04:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OverKill:

The color looks really nice in person. I can't wait to see it buffed and assembled out in the sun. I can post some pictures as well that were taken during the paint process.

Ethan


We want to Thank You for your help.



Archie


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #538, 03-14-2014 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


We want to Thank You for your help.

Archie


X 1000


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #539, 03-14-2014 05:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OverKill:

The color looks really nice in person. I can't wait to see it buffed and assembled out in the sun. I can post some pictures as well that were taken during the paint process.

Ethan


Ethan thank you so much for all of your help,.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #540, 03-15-2014 09:13 AM
      When I last updated this thread, we were wet sanding the primer.

I know that everyone wants to see the painting, so I'm not going to bore you with any more of the wet sanding.

This last week was about final preping of the panels & getting some racks built for the panels & getting the shop ready.

This is the high dollar fan door way that Rob & Kris designed. You'll see it later in some of the shots.



Building some racks & wrapping the shop.











Thursday was paint day. We are painting all of the major body parts & the plan was to paint the rest of the parts on Friday.

Sealer coat, then base coats, pearl coats & clear coats....









Trying to show the pearl W/O the clear.







"The Crew" Pimping



Done for the day.



On Friday, the original plan was to paint the rest of the body parts like the rocker panels, Muffler cover & thie undersides of the decklid & hood. However, the clearcoat still seemed to be a little soft. To paint the undersides of the decklid & hood, we would have had to turn them over & then they would sit all weekend. We decided to paint our gloss black parts & they the white stuff dry 100% over the weekend..

so on friday we installed the nose & the rear tail light facia. Then we masked off the chassis again.







This is the final assembly of those parts & they are not rivited on like they used to be. They are attached with factory style bolts & nut clips.





Masking again...







Prep & Priming all the parts before the black & clear coat.

















Archie


OverKill MSG #541, 03-15-2014 10:08 AM
      It probably wasnt dry yet because there was 4 coats of clear put on. Haha Im sure it will be fine by Monday.

Here are some of the pictures I have.

Base coat


Tacking the base before pearl




Pearl



Onto Clear






Hope everyone likes it. I couldnt' be much happier for a pearl white paint job without a booth.

Ethan

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #542, 03-15-2014 10:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OverKill:

Hope everyone likes it. I couldnt' me much happier for a pearl white paint job without a booth.

Ethan


Yes, We looked it over pretty good yesterday AM & it looked real good.

A


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #543, 03-15-2014 12:32 PM
      Looks Great Archie...your shop should be proud.

You have done a lot of cool cars over the years, but I think this one raises the bar!


Diamond Dave MSG #544, 03-15-2014 03:21 PM
      The bar has been raised plus this car is one of 4 modfied V8 Enterra Vipre's ever made. This is the only highly modified Enterra Vipre in existence. At least until I get mine done. Hopefully soon. Way to nock it out of the park Lisa /Troy/Archie and crew. I would love, love to see this in the sunlight in person. Then drive it. Aw........dreams. Just had a thought Lisa. How about a name change? Dream Weaver or Dream Cloud Just a thought.

My pick of CAR OF THE YEAR!!!!! Whoooohoooooo Fieros alive and doing really, really well .



Lady Lisa (tlanderson@optonline.net) MSG #545, 03-15-2014 08:31 PM
      As I look at the new pics, I am floored. The car has come so far and is absolutely beautiful.

Archie, what more can be said. Thanks so much for everything that you and your guys have done. I am truly blessed for you and your guys work. It's perfection.

Thanks Ethan for your contribution. To make the trip to help with the painting , I can' t put into words ... Thank you and God Bless.

Lady Lisa


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #546, 03-15-2014 10:19 PM
      Great job !!!!!
The car is looking great
I am very happy for you Lady Lisa





Diamond Dave MSG #547, 03-18-2014 02:47 AM
      Archie.... I have a theory on tbe damage and attempted repair to the nose of this car. The story goes from Bill is that this car was driven by a rich snot nosed kid that drove the crap out of it and didn't take care of it. The dad did the repairs to keep it going. When the kid lost the right rear wheel off the car it took out that right rear fender and dad just pieced it back together with the pieces. I think when it was towed the front end was damaged when the tow operator picked the front end of it and broke it it in multiple places. Par for the course. That poor car was very abused. It good to see it back in way better than original shape.

OverKill MSG #548, 03-18-2014 08:49 PM
      Troy you have a pm. Thanks again Archie and Troy for letting me be a part if the madness.

Ethan


Bloozberry MSG #549, 03-19-2014 10:06 AM
      That's looking really nice.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #550, 03-19-2014 10:04 PM
     




OverKill MSG #551, 03-19-2014 10:45 PM
      Wow that is looking amazing. I don't have words.......

Ethan


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #552, 03-20-2014 04:58 PM
     




joshua riedl MSG #553, 03-20-2014 05:17 PM
      The front bumper has really grown on me. The car looks great.

infinitewill MSG #554, 03-20-2014 10:55 PM
      Hiya Troy and Lisa,
I dropped by Archie's today when I was in Rockford and got a look and Lisa's new ride. All I can say is WOW!

The paint choice was out of the park! It oozes sophistication. Top notch
Rob's dash is unreal, even better in person and the photos simply don't do it justice.
The front bumper is incredible, how Archies guys got it done so perfectly without a mold is astonishing
The door cards Archie's crew did are amazing, They look the part
The side mirrors have me convinced that the stock Camaro units are the way to go. The custom pieces look nice but they are going to be a giant PITA to see out of and let's face it, the stock Camaro units are really nice. I think their scale is much better suits for the lines of the Entera, but that is only my opinion.

Well done, you will be thrilled to have this beauty in your stable

Dr. W.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #555, 03-21-2014 07:02 AM
      Thanks Will,
we are going to paint both sets of mirrors to match the car . I think the concept mirrors will look good once they are painted but its hard to say as someone has not sent me pics of them mounted with a frontal view . As far as visibility I've been on many Camaro forums and they say that the curvature of the glass gives you a similar view as stock. Once again LadyLisa will have a choice, I just hope she understands that I cant change them like Earrings she is already asking about a wall mounted tire rack for her "sets of rims"

http://www.camaro5.com/foru...wthread.php?t=323132
 
quote
Let me say that we LOVE LOVE the look of the concept mirrors!! I was apprehensive about the visibility due to the size but they are curved and the visibility isn't an issue. Top that with a tight paint job and ghosted LED markers ...this is a win. One of my favorite mods so far.

[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 03-21-2014).]

Diamond Dave MSG #556, 03-24-2014 01:53 AM
      I am so impressed with the direction that this build has taken. Troy, both you and Lisa have guided this build to greatness. I have loved the Enterra Vipre ever since I saw my first one 3 years ago. I will probably keep mine a little closer to original but I doubt I ever get it as perfected as you guys have done. My main goal is to get mine to daily driver and drive the crap out of it. I hope to have the most bichin Northstar build ever as these engines wound out with the right exhaust are hypnotic and addicting to wind them way up. My 2000 STS has been called the Ferrari of Cadillacs. The Magnaflows with a high flow cat are deep throated wonders. Hope I can use something similar on my Enterra. Chevys are powerful great motors but I like the 4 cam sound and and the higher rpm scream of the Northstar. Sounds alot more like a Ferrari or Lamborgini. Closest I will get to that kind of performance car with the Enterra. I would really like to see your cars and get a ride someday. They are both beautiful. Happy driving and I hope you do drive and enjoy what you have built. ;-))

[This message has been edited by Diamond Dave (edited 03-24-2014).]

Diamond Dave MSG #557, 03-24-2014 02:01 AM
      Oh almost forgot. I agree with Dr. W. With the limited side view in these cars, good side mirrors are your best friend. I would opt for the bigger mirrors and add a wide view mirror on the mirror. Just my opinion but after driving mine for a while this is what I will do to stay safer, even though I go faster than most others. Bikes are fast and hard to see if their in your blind spot. Safe driving.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #558, 03-24-2014 08:52 AM
      Dave do you have any pictures of your Enterra? Does it have the complete stock Enterra interior? I've seen pictures of Enterras that owners have switched back to stock Fiero interior door panels . It would be nice to see another Enterra build/restore thread.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #559, 03-26-2014 03:55 PM
      We had to pull the car outside today so we could shoot some primer on the mirrors.

Yes, I got pics in the Sun.

Wanna see 'em?

Come back tonight.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #560, 03-26-2014 06:57 PM
      Here we go.

The sun was going in & out of clouds, the Pearl whows real good in the direct sunlight.

These pics don't really do it justice.



























Archie


Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #561, 03-26-2014 10:03 PM
      That's one beautiful car. Also a masterful example of craftsmanship.

Congratulations on a job well done!


HAGO!


Diamond Dave MSG #562, 03-27-2014 01:38 AM
      Troy,

My interior is original in black. It is mostly like the production Enterra cars but since it was made under the radar for the invester I think there are some minor differences like the door panels. I am putting in the electric windoows and power mirrors but the panels were never changed other than color so they are just painted black fiero door panels not the leather pocketed panels.. They were crank windows in the original car. Far as I know this is the only difference in the interrior. It also is the better second generation body which were made better like Lisa's car. It has the grey sterling paint that was one of the four orginal paints for the Enterra. I will try to get the pictures I have and either figure out how to post a picture here or send them to you and let you post them for me.

DD


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #563, 03-27-2014 06:05 AM
      Archie that looks beautiful !

355Fiero MSG #564, 03-27-2014 12:57 PM
      And once again, Archie and team outdo themselves. Taking a basket case and creating a work of art. Outstanding work and this will be another project that others will try to aspire to.

You and your guys make it look easy.

Well done.

Cheers
Don


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #565, 03-28-2014 03:06 PM
      Man those Camaro concept mirrors are looking great! can wait to see them on the car!







troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #566, 04-01-2014 04:15 PM
     






nosrac MSG #567, 04-01-2014 08:45 PM
      Damn, that looks good!



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #568, 04-02-2014 09:19 AM
      Great job guys !!!
That looks really good
I really like the mirrors and the fact that the light strips were painted but one can still see them when they light up.

If you don't mind me asking...
what car is the paint from ? is it a Lexus ?
I really like it


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #569, 04-02-2014 10:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Great job guys !!!
That looks really good
I really like the mirrors and the fact that the light strips were painted but one can still see them when they light up.

If you don't mind me asking...
what car is the paint from ? is it a Lexus ?
I really like it


Yep Lexus/Toyota
Pearl White.





davylong86 MSG #570, 04-04-2014 11:08 AM
      Hi troy and lisa,can I live in your garage? lol. Enjoyed watching both cars being built by the fiero master artist. Great job!

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #571, 04-04-2014 12:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by davylong86:

Hi troy and lisa,can I live in your garage? lol. Enjoyed watching both cars being built by the fiero master artist. Great job!


Troy..you should take him up on the offer...always wanted my own helper...just think about it...anytime you need help...Davy will there waiting on you!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #572, 04-04-2014 03:18 PM
      Lol you guys are crazy.

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #573, 04-04-2014 11:13 PM
      Thanks Troy
Not that I am close to paint but I really like the way the car came out.
I am looking forward to seing pics of both cars together



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #574, 04-10-2014 03:08 AM
     



Too bad no one makes billet buttons and knobs for the HVAC controls.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #575, 04-10-2014 09:41 AM
      On the contrary Troy, i think someone did do some upgraded buttons a while back.

i think it was randye ??

Not sure they were billet, but they were metallic and would look better than stock IMO.

** EDIT - yes they were billet and he machined them himself **

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...3/HTML/000111-4.html



[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 04-10-2014).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #576, 04-19-2014 08:11 PM
      SOLD
For those that maybe interested I will be selling the old Enterra interior. The leather is shot and would need to be replaced but the fiberglass is sound.









what it looked before we removed it from the Enterra









some pics that I have showing what an Enterra interior looks like restored






If interested shoot me a PM with an offer

[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 04-20-2014).]

Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #577, 04-19-2014 09:52 PM
      What did you do? let a wild animal loose inside the car? How did you manage to get the interior looking like that?

OverKill MSG #578, 04-21-2014 08:18 PM
      Figured I'd post some pictures of the Vipre that i took wednesday when i was down at the shop.





This has to be my favorite "fiero" I've seen. Not because i got to be a small part of it or as it seems to be Archie's last big build, but because the lines and the craftsmanship and skill that the entire car encompasses.

that's just my 2 cents.

Ethan


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #579, 04-22-2014 06:08 AM
      Thanks for your kind words and pics Ethan.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #580, 04-23-2014 10:22 PM
      Update

The car is getting pretty close to being DONE.

While all of the body & interior panels have been fitted .... right now is the 1st time they've all been on the car at once. And the last time, in more ways than one.

The engine & transmission are done & the operation of them together has been optimized.

There are still have a few things to do. Including a wheel alignment, installation of the custom made A/C hoses & an AC recharge, A trip to the Dyno & the Exhaust tips. (We still haven't found the tips that trip our trigger).

I want to thank Rob & Kris for a great run. And Thanks to Troy, Lisa, Curley, Jim Buell & several others for giving us projects that showcase what Rob & Kris can do.

Enjoy....



























































Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 04-23-2014).]

Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #581, 04-23-2014 10:49 PM
     

Cause there are no words that would be "enough".

HAGO!


bjc 350 MSG #582, 04-23-2014 11:00 PM
      Beautiful! A great collaboration between owners and builders. Archie, doesn't that demand at least one more encore?!!

[This message has been edited by bjc 350 (edited 04-24-2014).]

BlackThunderGT MSG #583, 04-23-2014 11:04 PM
      Absolutely stunning!

Archie, y’all want to do one more Enterra before retiring?


davylong86 MSG #584, 04-24-2014 12:07 AM
      Your in big trouble troy! Your going have to explain to your wife why you keep taking her car instead of yours, which would be a good problem to have.Great job guys!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #585, 04-24-2014 06:55 AM
     

DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #586, 04-24-2014 10:06 AM
      Great job all around.... Troy your passion and vision for excellence is unsurpassed, and Archie and crew created another masterpiece.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #587, 04-25-2014 12:16 AM
     

Is mama happy ?


2.5 MSG #588, 04-25-2014 11:36 AM
     


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #589, 05-11-2014 08:51 AM
      Ethan came over yesterday & detailed the car.

The sun was shinning brightly, so I tiook it outside to take some more pics to see if I can show just how much the car POPS! in the sun.



















Archie


OverKill MSG #590, 05-11-2014 09:23 AM
      Looks real good hopefully its stays clean until it gets to its new home.

and I'm glad you had a good time watching me work. Haha what did we call it "supervising".



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #591, 05-11-2014 11:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OverKill:

Looks real good hopefully its stays clean until it gets to its new home.

and I'm glad you had a good time watching me work. Haha what did we call it "supervising".



LOL, actually, I wasn't on the clock. So watching you work for a few hours was my alternate reason for not getting the lawn mowed at home.

And it was your entertainment for the day.

I was actually quite tired when we left the shop.

A


OverKill MSG #592, 05-12-2014 12:52 PM
      I had a good time and ill miss dropping by and visiting with you and the guys.



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #593, 05-16-2014 11:21 AM
      Troy,

This was suppose to be a mother's day gift...was it not?

Where are the pictures?


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #594, 05-17-2014 06:08 AM
      On its way home, we were trying to wait for the G1 door panels....... Oh well we will have to do them later .





Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #595, 05-17-2014 09:39 PM
      Nice to not have to worry about a Tesla dripping oil on your car.

OverKill MSG #596, 05-19-2014 09:39 PM
      Is it home yet? I'm sure I'm not the only one anxious to see it and perfect union on a memorial weekend cruise.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #597, 05-19-2014 09:41 PM
      She due in NY in the early AM!!

BlackThunderGT MSG #598, 05-20-2014 04:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

She due in NY in the early AM!!


To celebrate my brother Dan got the Enterra back on the road last night.



Tony Kania MSG #599, 05-20-2014 07:33 PM
      As said before, and often... great job!

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #600, 05-20-2014 07:54 PM
      Looks beautiful!

Sourmug MSG #601, 05-20-2014 10:52 PM
      Nicely done and a great save. She's a beaut!

Makes for a nice swan song for Archie.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #602, 05-21-2014 07:53 PM
      Time to say good by to the man cave



But the good news is ... She's home and in the hands of the new owner!! The HAPPY wife:







Thanks for a great job Archie!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #603, 05-21-2014 09:08 PM
      Lisa completes the car! Congratulations!

ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #604, 05-22-2014 04:59 AM
      Awsome car...I'm a little jealous cause you started that project after me and got it done first...lol
Love it and congrats on a beautiful ride.


Bloozberry MSG #605, 05-22-2014 06:49 AM
      Looks stunning Lisa and Troy! I'll bet the previous owner will be caught saying "I never should've sold that car" for the rest of his life. Happy motoring!

Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #606, 05-22-2014 09:37 AM
      Great to see all the ladies together at last!

Troy...you're on easy street now......"Happy wife....happy life!"

Plenty of room in that man cave for both.


HAGO!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #607, 05-22-2014 10:31 AM
      The man cave is now Lisa's Lounge !

What an awesome pair of rides, you are both very lucky.

Great job Archie and crew,..still very, very sad to see you guys go, but i guess all good things come to an end and you went out with one hell of a bang !

Troy and Lisa can't wait to see and hear about these cars tearing up the streets and shows.

Congratulations.

P..S. would be cool if you guys get 2 go pro cameras and mount them so you can shoot each other driving side by side, and also get people's reactions.

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davylong86 MSG #608, 05-22-2014 07:43 PM
      WOW! That's fantastic seeing both cars side by side. Congrats to Troy and Lisa and team Archie on two of the most beautiful fieros on the planet! Like Tony said,I would love to see the reaction when you two hit the streets

Bill Eaton (eatonwf@comcast.net) MSG #609, 06-07-2014 10:37 AM
      The comment was made that the previous owner is probably sorry for having sold this to Lady Lisa. Not true at all, there is absolutely no way that I could have rebuilt that Enterra to be even 1/2 as good as Archie and company did. I am very happy that it got done and that it has a wonderful owner and place to reside. I just wish that New York were not so far from Kent, Washington - so my only regret is that I likely will never get to see it in person. A beautiful car - one we can all be envious of and I wish Lady Lisa and Troyboy all the best and wonderful drives - in either of their cars. Archie & crew - great job!!!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #610, 06-14-2014 09:53 PM
     
This just in,..

Got the word from Troy today,...the brakes have been put on this project.


infinitewill MSG #611, 06-15-2014 07:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
This just in,..
Got the word from Troy today,...the brakes have been put on this project.


Good, it only took the USPS 3 freakin weeks to deliver the Express mail package. Glad it is all sorted

Dr. W.



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #612, 06-15-2014 04:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:

I'll bet the previous owner will be caught saying "I never should've sold that car" for the rest of his life.


 
quote
Originally posted by Bill Eaton:

The comment was made that the previous owner is probably sorry for having sold this to Lady Lisa. Not true at all, there is absolutely no way that I could have rebuilt that Enterra to be even 1/2 as good as Archie and company did. I am very happy that it got done...


Bill, I had to chuckle when I read Bloozberry's comment. You should've given me a chance to make that "bet" with Blooze before you chimed in.

That's one fine lookin' Enterra Vipre. Hats off to Archie and his fine crew for a beautiful job. Lisa is one lucky lady!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #613, 06-15-2014 06:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


This just in,..

Got the word from Troy today,...the brakes have been put on this project.












davylong86 MSG #614, 06-17-2014 05:30 PM
      That picture is priceless Troy! I would be smiling like that too if I was behind the wheel of that beauty.

jim94 (jcmusco@comcast.net) MSG #615, 06-23-2014 10:46 PM
      It might be time for a nice white invicta watch to Match her car and a nice car it is, congrats

fireboss (ericj@live.com) MSG #616, 06-23-2014 11:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by davylong86:

That picture is priceless Troy! I would be smiling like that too if I was behind the wheel of that beauty.




TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #617, 07-03-2014 02:18 PM
     

someone is thinking this will be my 1st car if I play my cards right


OverKill MSG #618, 08-09-2014 11:17 PM
      Any updates? We'd love to see some pictures of it cruising and at some car shows.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #619, 08-10-2014 09:48 AM
      We finished the brake upgrade.. Note do not do a brake upgrade that only has remanufactured parts available . Had to swap the rear calipers 2 times until we found a good set . Will never do another Lebaron brake swap! We still have a few tweaks to do on the LS4 swap before we consider the car done . We have to have it Dyno tuned and quiet it down a bit, it sounds great to me and Archie, but Lisa wants it quieter.

No shows this year, you only get to debut a car once so she wants it complete before the first show. We still have to reupholster the seats, do the headliner, wait for Amida to finish his G1 door panels, alarm system, parking asst. system, .........



2.5 MSG #620, 08-12-2014 05:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OverKill:

Any updates? We'd love to see some pictures of it cruising and at some car shows.



mmm.. maybe a driving vid


Nathan Acree (nacree@comcast.net) MSG #621, 01-03-2015 07:31 PM
      Is there any information available about the dash used in this build? Was this a one-off or are they available for purchase somewhere?

Thanks, and sorry for the off-topic post.

Nathan


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #622, 01-04-2015 07:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Nathan Acree:

Is there any information available about the dash used in this build? Was this a one-off or are they available for purchase somewhere?

Thanks, and sorry for the off-topic post.

Nathan


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/000091-53.html


Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #623, 06-25-2015 08:56 PM
      Just came upon this thread and I was wondering what happened to Lisa's Enterra project. Must say that you two like them fancy; one full custom and the other so rare it could be considered custom. Drive them, and enjoy them, you only live once!



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #624, 08-20-2015 12:51 PM
      Due to complications with the production of the G1 door panels , We have decided to use our Firebird door panels so we can complete the enterra interior. We just have to have them upholstered to match the dash .









RMOR235 (r_m_j1@hotmail.com) MSG #625, 09-16-2015 12:12 AM
      I love this car it's perfect

Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #626, 09-18-2015 08:00 PM
     
This is a very unusual situation. I hope nobody minds this being posted here.

Are an original set of molds for the Enterra Vipre worth saving?


solotwo MSG #627, 09-21-2015 09:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

Damn, that looks good!

I second that. The car is awesome!


solotwo MSG #628, 09-21-2015 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Let's try to get this thread up to date.....

More work on the front bumper









The tail lights have a little bit of a curve in them, so we have to duplicate that curve in the rear facia.





As we are at this, we are trying to get the various body panels close enough to paint that we can paint it with high build primer.

With just regular primer for now, this panel is looking good.





We are also working on mounting the lights in the front bumper.....

Working on figuring out exactly where to place them.....





Also modifying the lower front valance to mirror the lower edge of the front bumper....





Then we determine how much of a pocket we want for the lights. Flush mount or set back into a pocket.....









Then building the pocket using 2 pcs. of wooden block shaped like the lights.





Make the pockets & mounting tabs.













............


Were did you get those front lights?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #629, 09-22-2015 08:26 PM
      Thanks,
we found the lights on Ebay


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #630, 05-23-2016 03:17 PM
      Thanks Rob, they look great!
Lisa can't stop smiling.












TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #631, 05-23-2016 05:55 PM
      Troy & Lisa...Love them & thank you for sharing, but could please hurry up and install them
And then take lots of great pictures...for us slackers that have to help out the kids 1st b4 some of us get their G1 door panels
Got 2 sets to knock out.

Really would like to see a shot of it installed and your arm resting...trying to gauge how far the vette handle's protrude.
I am considering utilizing 4 of these door pull tabs (2 per door) and nylon pull strap looped...Leaving the entire arm rest without a handle blocking the comfort.

[This message has been edited by TXOPIE (edited 05-23-2016).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #632, 05-23-2016 06:22 PM
      Once we get the doors home I will most likely delet the door handles and install door pull pockets like I have in the choptop.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #633, 05-23-2016 06:30 PM
      the chop top door pull pockets, they work great and you don't really see them


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #634, 05-26-2016 04:10 PM
      We have received a lot of emails and PM's in regards to Lisa's firebird door panels. For now she is going to hold on to them. Archie modified the door panels for us and may be able to make another set.

Thanks
Troy and Lisa


davylong86 MSG #635, 05-27-2016 11:55 PM
      Well worth the wait.Rob is one talented guy. Just when you think one your cars couldn't get better! You and Lisa has set the bar on how to max a Pontiac Fiero out.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #636, 10-29-2016 01:02 PM
      bump for the SEMA crew

DotTC MSG #637, 11-30-2016 02:07 AM
      I know it's probably been said, but I cannot find it but where do those taillights come from?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #638, 09-17-2018 05:38 PM
      Bump for Trinten, look on page 15 and 14

[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 09-17-2018).]

Trinten MSG #639, 09-17-2018 05:55 PM
      Thanks Troy!

For those of you wondering, I really loved the side mirrors that were used, and had PM'd Troy asking if he would share the details on them. I had found a pic of them in another thread where he referenced them, so didn't have the details contained here-in.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #640, 02-25-2019 07:19 PM
      Winter blahs had me go back through this thread. Archie, you and your crew did an amazing job. Thanx to you and Troy for the documentation.

Great read.

Now, i can't wait for the new build season to begin.

Bob


FIERO JOHN-WI (podziemj@matc.edu) MSG #641, 04-15-2019 08:49 PM
      Fyi passing the story on, of the company..
https://driving.ca/pontiac/...-vancouver-auto-show