88 Coupe gets a 3.4
Topic started by: josef644, Date: 03-18-2011 12:24 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000132.html


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #1, 03-18-2011 12:24 PM
      The 4.9 I had installed into my Coupe is dead and gone. I have sold off just about all of the parts made to make it work. I have been looking for a good used 2.8 to put into my Coupe and get it back on the road. I decided to install a 3.4pr motor. 4.9 is removed and sold to the scrap yard. Most of the swap parts I used have been sold off in the mall.

Money spent on this install so far:
3.4 engine $425.00
Transmission $50.00
2 Expansion plugs $5.98
M20-1.15 drain plug $3.29
RD starter Jig $60.00
RD Distributor O ring $$3.00
RD Brass Oil pressure adapter $3.99
Shipping $7.50
Fel Pro Valve stem Seals $22.00 Shipped
Fel ProTiming gaskets, head gaskets
Clevite rod bearings, crank and main seal
Head bolts + above 5 items $160.00 shipped
Machine shop services, cam bearings installed , hot tank block, and polish crank surfaces $190.00
88 Fiero V6 Flex-plate $49.68
Clevite Main Bearings $35.00
Perfect Circle Rings $50.00
Melling Oil Pump $52.00
Fel-Pro Oil Pan gasket $21.00
Fel-Pro Intake set $23.00
Clevite three piece timing set $26.00
V6 ECM $40.00
Valve cover gaskets $20.00
Valve job $90.00
Rear cam cover gasket $8.00
V6 engine mount bracket $30.00
A1 Cardone Drivers side CV shaft (automatic) $47.00
Converter seal $9.00
2 CV Shaft seals for the transmission.
Remanufactured Torque Converter $80.00

I have purchased a T125C for Mstangsbware up north and he has just about everything I will need to swap in a Fiero V6. I am gonna go with the T125C for now , and can always get me a 4T60 later to replace the 125C. I have read many threads here about the 3.4 and started looking for one from a 93-95 Firebird or Camaro. I located one in Houston with only 23K miles on the clock. Inside the Valve cover looked new almost. It still had oil in it, and I had them drain it to examine the drain plug. No debris on the drain plug. Had an AC oil filter on it.


I started removing the unneeded accessories this morning and got it down to a long block. I am thinking that I removed about 80 Lbs of exhaust,intake and mount brackets. I am gonna start on removing the heads and the main caps to get a good look at those before I start putting 2.8 parts on and get it in to the car and find out there is a problem.

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MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #2, 03-18-2011 01:21 PM
      Joe if you need all te 2.8 top end parts to go on that motor I bet I have then laying around...They may be a little dirty but should clean up.....I threw away alot of intakes but pretty sure I kept a few along with TB and maybe some other parts....

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #3, 03-18-2011 01:29 PM
      Poe I had planned on getting that 2.8 you are gonna remove for the swap. I will rob all of the fasteners, brackets, exhaust and everything else I will need to dress out this 3.4. It is an 87?, if so that will make some things easier.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #4, 03-20-2011 11:03 AM
      Removed the intake this morning. Looked pretty good in there. A little clean up will suffice.




Removed the two heads. No ridge on any cylinder. Tops of the pistons cleaned up real good. I used my shop vac to get some debris out of the valley from removing the intake. The vac sucked one lifter out of it's bore. All came out with just finger effort. All 12 were like new on the botton face. Marked me an egg carton and placed them all inside and sealed them up so the box can't come open.


I can still see the factory crosshatch in all bores. Hard to see in the picture.


I plan on removing the oil pan and all piston assemblies tomorrow. I can get a good look and the crankshaft and its bearings shells. So far everything looks like it should with just 23K miles.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #5, 03-21-2011 01:55 PM
      Pulled The oil pan this morning. Fairly good and clean inside. Nothing snagged in the oil pick up.


Connection rods marked and removed:

Block and cam:

No gouges in any of the bores:

Found this in piston # 5,( block was up side down). and haven't a clue what it is?

I am happy that I took this engine apart before starting it up the first time. All six pistons had the oil rings seized up. I was told that this engine was removed in 1999 and has sat on a shelf since then. I am thinking that the oils rings would have gouged the cylinder bores and ruined a good block.

On different note I think that I could just add new mains and rod bearings to the crankshaft and go back together. Crankshaft is in almost new condition. I will test with plastic gauge before purchasing new bearings.

Block is going to the machine shop tomorrow for honeing, hot tanking and new cam bearings.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #6, 03-22-2011 01:37 PM
      Dropped off the block for honing ,new cam bearings and hot tanking. All cylinders were still standard bore. Crankshaft was measured out as standard and will just get a good cleaning and micro polish in the bearing surfaces.

Ordered two Dorman #571-003 expandable freeze plugs to plug the crank and cam sensor in the block. Ordered one Oil-Tite # 65221. This is a M20-1.50 oil plug to thread into the hole in the pan where the oil lever sensor used to reside. I will have parts here tomorrow to await the return of the block and crankshaft.

Beautiful Texas day here.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #7, 03-23-2011 04:23 PM
      I got the starter Jig from RD in the mail today. Looks easy enough to do. I also purchased the brass oil pressure switch adapter and a new distributor O ring. Valve stem seals cam from RockAuto.

I got a Valve spring compressor at A-Zone this morning so I can install the new seals. Might do the seals tomorrow after I am finished with a few small chores to do first.


katatak MSG #8, 03-23-2011 06:25 PM
      Wow Joe!

You are not messing around! Looks like you got a good motor to work with. If you need anything - that Poe does not have, let me know. I have some 2.8 motor brackets and parts out in the shed. I might even have a bored TB- I'll have to take a look. Plus I think I have a set of 2.8 exhaust logs partially ported. Anyway, if you need something, let me know and I'll dig through the boxes. Looking good so far!

Pat



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #9, 03-23-2011 08:45 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Wow Joe!

You are not messing around! Looks like you got a good motor to work with. If you need anything - that Poe does not have, let me know. I have some 2.8 motor brackets and parts out in the shed. I might even have a bored TB- I'll have to take a look. Plus I think I have a set of 2.8 exhaust logs partially ported. Anyway, if you need something, let me know and I'll dig through the boxes. Looking good so far!

Pat


Thanks Pat. I won't know what else I need until I start to put it all together. I will go pick up my block from the machine shop Monday. Then it is all depending on purchasing new rings,gaskets,crank bearings etc. I am not gonna use old pieces to put the critical rotating parts back together.

I have a 2.8 automatic harness with C203 and C500 should be here tomorrow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #10, 03-24-2011 05:48 PM
      V6 engine harness arrived this afternoon. Looks to be in good shape.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #11, 03-28-2011 08:59 PM
      I went to the machine shop to get my block and crankshaft. They both looked new. I do not know how they clean these parts, but they did a great job. Once home I used the Rodney Dickman 3.4 starter jig to drill the two new holes on the opposite side of the block. His jig works great, and I highly recommend using one of these to get it right the first time around. The jig comes with two drill bits. A 8.5mm and a 10.1mm I broke the smaller one as the bit came threw the lower part of the boss cast into the block. I wasn't able to get it up fast enough , hence the bit got bent and broke as the motor was still turning. My fault, not RD's parts fault. I couldn't find a 8.5mm bit around here and purchased a 21/64" bit that is about the thickness of a piece of printing paper smaller. I used it for the second hole, and all is well. New funds spent are posted and updated in the first post.

I am gonna lube and bag the crankshaft until such time as I am ready to put it into the block:


Block sprayed down and bagged while waiting for the rest of my needed parts:


Mains, and rod bearings, and new head bolt set are on the way. Timing gasket set, timing set, and head gaskets, also on the way.

I have new valve stem seals here now ready for installation.

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Rick 88 MSG #12, 03-28-2011 09:30 PM
      Nice work! You will be very happy with the 3.4. I really like how mine moves my car.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #13, 03-28-2011 10:18 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rick 88:

Nice work! You will be very happy with the 3.4. I really like how mine moves my car.


I was reading where Pat was very pleased with the way yours went. This was part of the reason I decided on installing a 3.4

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #14, 03-29-2011 07:37 PM
      Got my timing cover gaskets, rod bearings and rear main seal in the mail today. More parts arriving tomorrow.

Rick 88 MSG #15, 03-29-2011 09:07 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:


I was reading where Pat was very pleased with the way yours went. This was part of the reason I decided on installing a 3.4



For me, it has more than enough power to be entertaining, yet it gets decent mileage. Mine is a 5-speed and it impresses a lot of people who ride in it. Plus, it looks bone stock and I really like the look of the Fiero V6 engine.

The only engine I would replace this one with would be the new Camaro 3.6 DI V6 with 312 hp and a 6800 rpm redline. Since no one makes a kit or harness, I won't be doing that for quite some time.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #16, 03-31-2011 04:37 PM
      I got my head FelPro gaskets in the mail today. I was sent the incorrect timing set from an E bay seller. 3.4 is supposed to have 3 mounting bolt holes to hold it to the camshaft. This set has none

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #17, 04-01-2011 02:23 PM
      88 Fiero V6 flax plate purchased. Added to the parts pile. One set of Standard Clevite 77 Main bearings,new oil pump, brass expansion plugs and a set of Standard Perfect Circle piston rings ordered. These parts will allow me to assemble the short block. I can get rid of some of these boxes starting to pile up in the spare bedroom.
-Joe

Replacement Timing set on the way.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #18, 04-03-2011 01:32 PM
      I removed all of the old rings this morning and cleaned the pistons grooves, skirts and rods for new installation parts. I put them each into a one gallon zip lock bag after cleaning to keep them clean . I will work on the oil pan and oil pump in the morning. I am gonna reuse my oil pick up tube in my new oil pump. The bottom of my oil pan is pushed in a bit.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #19, 04-04-2011 06:21 PM
      Cleaned the oil pan up and removed the pick up tube from the old oil pump. I got a new 3.4 dip stick in the mail. Also arriving were 10 brass freeze plugs and a ECM tray for a V6 ECM.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #20, 04-05-2011 01:22 PM
      Today I went and picked up my Perfect Circle Rings, Clevite 77 Main Bearings, and a new Melling oil pump. Total monies added to first post.

I picked up two cans of GM Corporate Blue rattle can paint. I was planning on using Pontiac Blue, but could only find one can in three parts stores. I do not like to use black on engines as it makes finding oil leaks very difficult. A blue and silver engine, in a white car.

Just waiting on my new timing set to put it all together

Ordered new intake gasket set from RockAuto

Forgot to order me an Oil Pan Gasket. O'Rilley's Auto Parts had one local. It is now in the pile of growing engine parts.

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #21, 04-05-2011 02:46 PM
      You are moving right along there, Joe!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #22, 04-06-2011 11:03 AM
      Thanks Tim.

This morning I installed the brass freeze plugs on both sides and on the front.

and the front:


Mounted the rear main bearing cap on the block, and put my new oil pump on. I inserted the pick up tube and put the oil pan on the block. Reaching up threw one of the cylinder borers I was able to push the pick up tube up until it touched the bottom of the oil pan. Removed all and measured the height of the end of the pick up tube. Then lowered it 5/8 inch. I will have it tack welded with brass before final installation. These never fit as tight in a second oil pump as they did on the first time around. The tack weld is just good "insurance".

Installed the camshaft after lubing it with assembly lube.

Crankshaft is tomorrow's goal.

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katatak MSG #23, 04-06-2011 05:42 PM
      Go Joe!

I am pretty sure that I will build a 3.4 for my Formula when the 2.8 in it starts getting tired. In fact, I was looking at a couple in the yard the other day. I am thinking of picking up one now and slowly gather parts, etc. I may have missed it but have you settled on a cam yet?

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 04-06-2011 05:55 PM
      I have tried different cams before on other engines I have built threw the years. I think the stock cam will be just fine as I am not going to have the intake reworked. If you install a different grind, you give up either fuel economy or part of your torque curve at either the top or bottom end. Lots of the 'better grind' cams are made to work where the Fiero intake is allmost worthless, which is above about 4500 RPM. Or there about. The factory grind is a pretty good balance. I will not be doing any drag races. And gas is $3.59 here today.

I plan on stabbing the pistons in their bores tomorrow, after the crankshaft is in its lower end and torqued down.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #25, 04-07-2011 01:20 PM
      Crankshaft , and all 6 pistons are all back home where they belong. Everybody got their correct torque. Waiting on timing gears and timing chain.

Taking my heads to be resurfaced and hot tanked first thing in the morning.

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Rick 88 MSG #26, 04-07-2011 08:36 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

I have tried different cams before on other engines I have built threw the years. I think the stock cam will be just fine as I am not going to have the intake reworked. If you install a different grind, you give up either fuel economy or part of your torque curve at either the top or bottom end. Lots of the 'better grind' cams are made to work where the Fiero intake is allmost worthless, which is above about 4500 RPM. Or there about. The factory grind is a pretty good balance. I will not be doing any drag races. And gas is $3.59 here today.

I plan on stabbing the pistons in their bores tomorrow, after the crankshaft is in its lower end and torqued down.



An engine with lot of torque is a lot more fun in daily driving. Is your car a stick or automatic?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 04-07-2011 09:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rick 88:


An engine with lot of torque is a lot more fun in daily driving. Is your car a stick or automatic?


It was a stick shift when I purchased it, but I converted to an automatic for my 4.9 swap. I was happy not dealing with shifting gears for a change. I will stay with the automatic.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #28, 04-08-2011 12:50 PM
      Dropped off the heads at the machine shop for a valve job. Ordered the gasket that goes on the rear camshaft cover.

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #29, 04-08-2011 01:49 PM
      Boost it You know you want to.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #30, 04-08-2011 02:00 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Boost it You know you want to.


No way. Just running well and dependable will make me a happy man.


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #31, 04-08-2011 02:08 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:


No way. Just running well and dependable will make me a happy man.


I got ya. its still a hell of a swap your goin through there. I'm guessing the car was originally a 2.5?



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #32, 04-08-2011 02:18 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:


I got ya. its still a hell of a swap your goin through there. I'm guessing the car was originally a 2.5?


It was a 5 speed duke in it's previous life. I added the 4.9 and automatic,until it met it's demise. 3.4 seemed the right thing to do with gas prices around $3.60.
-Joe


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #33, 04-08-2011 02:22 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:


It was a 5 speed duke in it's previous life. I added the 4.9 and automatic,until it met it's demise. 3.4 seemed the right thing to do with gas prices around $3.60.
-Joe



Very true. now how did you go about with the wiring? did you use the Duke wiring and convert it to accept fuel injection or did you swap it to a 2.8 harness?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #34, 04-08-2011 07:27 PM
      I just added two wires. One for the second injector 12+ signal, and a second for the torque converter lock up. It is fed off of the two stage brake light switch. Jumped shut the clutch switch connector, and good to go. Two wires are not to bad to add in, installing a whole V6 harness inside the body would be a 'Bee" itch. I added the two additional wires into the C203, in the correct two empty sockets.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #35, 04-09-2011 08:17 PM
      Intake manifold gaskets are all here now. Three piece timing set on the way.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #36, 04-11-2011 03:03 PM
      The correct timing set arrived today. I will install it on the 3.4 tomorrow. Heads will be ready to come home Wednesday

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #37, 04-12-2011 11:22 AM
      I was able to get a few things done this morning. Installed the expansion plug into the block where the crankshaft sensor used to go:


I marked the timing chain gears with a black sharpie pen to make them a bit easier to see and find. GM was kind enough to cast markers on the block to clock the timing chain and gears. Got all three pieces on the engine block:


And the chain dampener back in it's spot:


Got a PM from Poe last evening. The 2.8 he has for me is ready to come to Lake Livingston. I had a brother in law die Sunday from bone cancer. So we have a funeral to get out of the way before I can go get it .

I am at the point now that I need those parts before I can proceed. Timing chain cover, intake manifold pieces, distributor alternator, starter etc.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #38, 04-14-2011 09:51 PM
      I took my new oil pump to the welder today to have the inlet tube tack welded to the oil pump. Cheep insurance.


I met Tim from Beaumont today and gave him some Fiero pieces that he had purchased from Poe in North Texas a while back. He is pretty sure he has a few things I am in need of. He will be mailing them to me shortly.

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outlawfiero17 (doomedblackcross@yahoo.com) MSG #39, 04-15-2011 01:31 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

I was able to get a few things done this morning. Installed the expansion plug into the block where the crankshaft sensor used to go:


I marked the timing chain gears with a black sharpie pen to make them a bit easier to see and find. GM was kind enough to cast markers on the block to clock the timing chain and gears. Got all three pieces on the engine block:


And the chain dampener back in it's spot:


Got a PM from Poe last evening. The 2.8 he has for me is ready to come to Lake Livingston. I had a brother in law die Sunday from bone cancer. So we have a funeral to get out of the way before I can go get it .

I am at the point now that I need those parts before I can proceed. Timing chain cover, intake manifold pieces, distributor alternator, starter etc.
-Joe


what size plugs did you use? i have to buy some tomorrow and have no idea what size to get.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #40, 04-15-2011 05:32 PM
      These are brass Dorman # 565-104, 34.3mm freeze plugs.

The expansion plugs are NAPA 600-4001, The sizes are not marked, but the picture reads true. I just gave the NAPA guy the numbers in the picture and he had two on the shelf.


Got a chance to talk to Poe this afternoon. I will be going to his place up north Texas next Friday to get the missing items I ma needing to get this 3.4 in the Coupe.

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #41, 04-16-2011 02:36 PM
      Joe, Do you still need the parts from me?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #42, 04-16-2011 02:38 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by BMTFIERO:

Joe, Do you still need the parts from me?


Yes Indeed I do


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #43, 04-22-2011 06:31 PM
      I was able to score some parts I was needing from MstangsBware in North Texas today.
Transmission, and exhaust system, CV axle:

Whole 87 GT engine w/ starter and alternator, etc:

and

I got my air breather rubber intake hose, from Matt, and a V6 Automatic ECM, from Katatak, in the mail today. I have a few things to do next week now!!

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katatak MSG #44, 04-22-2011 11:32 PM
      Don't you just love a truck load of Fiero parts? Looks like you have everything you need to get it all together Joe!

Pat



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #45, 04-23-2011 03:17 PM
      Just about there Pat. I have a 88 V6 engine mount on the way now

Today I got the top end off of the 2.8, and most of the brackets. I will remove the water pump and timing cover am.
Before:

after:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #46, 04-24-2011 06:34 PM
      Happy Easter to all. If Easter does not apply to you, Happy Sunday.
-Joe & Cathy Crawford
Texas

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chriswf (chriswfoster@gmail.com) MSG #47, 04-24-2011 08:37 PM
      So Joe, say you didn't have to buy the 2.8... About how much are you looking at spending on this all together?

Hearing about the engine being shelved since 99 makes me sort of nervous about doing this swap. I really didn't want to rebuild like this...
Hopefully my swap wouldn't need all the special stuff as it will come with the 2.8 already... Just worried about the condition of the parts inside now.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #48, 04-24-2011 09:05 PM
      Not sure. I did not post the money for the 2.8 from Poe as that is between him and me. It has every baracket and fastener I need to get the 3.4 running. I lost my 4.9 because I took a chance on a used engine. I lost the roll of the dice. I don't want to be there a second time around. So I am 'refreshing' this 3.4. The only thing I found ' IFFY " inside was the oil rings on all 6 pistons. They could have released and worked fine after a little driving around. But then again, maybe not. I just didn't want to chance having to take everything out once more. When I purchased this car two summers back there wasn't an engine & transmission in it. So back I go to square one.

The wife was very unhappy when she got home from seeing the grandchildren today. She saw the 'new items' growing in the garage once again.

If you do not need to purchase a 'Parts' engine as I did , and a transmission, as I did. Find a 3.4 that is trustworthy, you can save a bundle.
-Joe

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chriswf (chriswfoster@gmail.com) MSG #49, 04-24-2011 11:17 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Not sure. I did not post the money for the 2.8 from Poe as that is between him and me. It has every baracket and fastener I need to get the 3.4 running. I lost my 4.9 because I took a chance on a used engine. I lost the roll of the dice. I don't want to be there a second time around. So I am 'refreshing' this 3.4. The only thing I found ' IFFY " inside was the oil rings on all 6 pistons. They could have released and worked fine after a little driving around. But then again, maybe not. I just didn't want to chance having to take everything out once more. When I purchased this car two summers back there wasn't an engine & transmission in it. So back I go to square one.

The wife was very unhappy when she got home from seeing the grandchildren today. She saw the 'new items' growing in the garage once again.

If you do not need to purchase a 'Parts' engine as I did , and a transmission, as I did. Find a 3.4 that is trustworthy, you can save a bundle.
-Joe



Okay then.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #50, 04-25-2011 06:35 PM
      I was able to remove the harmonic balancer, timing chain housing and the water pump after work this evening. I am just about to the point of finiished with the 'parts engine' I got last Friday. The rest will be cllean, paint and assemble. I have a rebuilt torque converter on the way. It will be here Monday. I will replace the converter seal and both CV axle seals before adding the converter.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #51, 04-27-2011 07:08 PM
      I got my heads from the machine shop today, and the exhaust manifold studs came in the mail. Fel-Pro valve cover gaskets got here today also. I have a few things to do this weekend.
-Joe
Ordered drivers side CV shaft, and a new transmission dip stick tube seal.

Picked up my CV shaft seals for the transmission today. $7.00 each

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #52, 04-29-2011 05:00 PM
      Got my torque converter today, and my CS 130 altenator out of the repair shop. Just had it 'freshened up'. Lots to do tomorrow.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #53, 04-30-2011 11:27 AM
      I backed my truck into the front half of my garage and rolled my engine to the tailgate. Sat the engine to the tailgate and removed the engine stand mount so I could have access to the rear of the block. I installed a new gasket on the rear cam cover this morning. Also put in the three expansion plugs on the rear of the block:

New Timkin rear main seal:

and the 88 Flex plate:


All fasteners were torqued to specs.

I cleaned the timing chain cover with gas and removed almost all of the old gaskets. It is so humid outside right now I was soaked and dripping sweat on my glasses. Time for a shower. Work cleaning parts will resume tomorrow am. I plan on installing the timing chain cover, oil pump and oil pan tomorrow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #54, 05-02-2011 08:15 PM
      Installed the oil pump and the oil pan this afternoon with a new Fel-Pro blue rubber Perma dry gasket. All fasteners were torqued to specs. I will add the heads tomorrow after work.

I am ready to put the heads back on my 3.4. I have new head bolts for both heads.

My Haynes manual says for a 2.8 to torque to 65 to 90 Ft Lbs. Quite a spread between these two numbers.

My Chilton says for a 2.8, to torque in three steps to 65-90 ft lbs.

My 88 FSM says for a 2.8, 66 ft lbs.

I have a friend who has a AllData account, and it says for a 3.4, torque to 41 ft lbs PLUS 90 degrees.

Any body have the the correct information? My friend with the AllDate info just called me back and told me that the head bolt package 'Might' have additional information. Nothing in the Victor Reinz box but headbolts.

Anybody know the correct information for this. I am gonna get the heads on today, but stop at torquing them tight until more information is forthcoming.
Confused


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #55, 05-03-2011 07:50 PM
      Got my drivers side CV shaft offo of the FedEx trucak today. I went and got me a new bottle of Perma-Tex Form-A-Gasket. Heads back on tomorrow Waiting on new Napa water pump from Mattwa.

Getting antzie here.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #56, 05-03-2011 07:56 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Got my drivers side CV shaft offo of the FedEx trucak today. I went and got me a new bottle of Perma-Tex Form-A-Gasket. Heads back on tomorrow Waiting on new Napa water pump from Mattwa.

Getting antzie here.


I shipped it today. Is that really all you need?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #57, 05-03-2011 08:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


I shipped it today. Is that really all you need?


Not even close! Won't know what else I need until I am assembling parts.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #58, 05-03-2011 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:


Not even close! Won't know what else I need until I am assembling parts.


I have lots of 60* V6 parts so just let me know if you need anything.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #59, 05-04-2011 04:22 PM
      I went to the garage and cleaned the block head faces, and the bottom of both heads. New PermaTorque head gaskets, then put both heads on the block. I got my new head gaskets out and , it is short of bolts needed for one head. Looked them up and sure enough, it was just enough for one head. New full set of Fel-Pro head bolts will be here tomorrow.

Very little accomplished today.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #60, 05-05-2011 08:38 PM
      Picked up my Fel-Pro head bolts and used some of the Perma-Tex in the white bottle with the little brush on all threads. Except the one stud that came with some type of white stuff on the threads. All torqued down to spec.

Cleaned the two valve covers and lower intake. I will now be able to make some progress with adding accessories to the engine now.
Maybe a picture tomorrow.

-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #61, 05-06-2011 08:39 PM
      Water pump arrived today. I am planning on installing it tomorrow, and adding the valve train to the engine. Husband-ly chores are also being forced on me this weekend.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #62, 05-06-2011 10:07 PM
      Needing one of these V6 dust shield, (stolen photo from I forgot who):


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #63, 05-08-2011 12:43 PM
      Got a few things done this morning. Cleaned all of the water pump bolts and inserted them into their proper holes. Added the rocker arms along with its two other pieces. Tightened down the adjuster nut until the stud was at the top of the nut. Marked the 3.4 balancer with the 2.8 timing mark. I used red paint for the timing mark, as the rest of it will be silver. Baking in the hot Texas sun before the silver is added. A few photos for your enjoyment.










josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #64, 05-11-2011 08:09 PM
      Today I removed the timing chain cover to extract a broken off bolt that I thought was a alignment stud for the water pump. I have an extra timing cover gasket, but have already torqued down the oil pan to the Perma-Dry pan gasket. I am afraid to use the gasket again. Will get a new one tomorrow so I can close up the bottom end again. What's $22.00 compared to an oil leak? I want to check the cam gear and make sure I torqued it down. Easy to do right now as it is.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #65, 05-15-2011 06:50 PM
      Oil pan removed and the timing cover was cleaned up again and remounted. Installed the new oil pan gasket. Cleaned and painted all brackets today. Cleaned and painted both pulleys. Also located and cleaned all the bolts that hold on the water pump and the timing chain cover. New gaskets used on both. Got the harmonic damper installed. Used the last of my expansion plugs to plug up the cam sensor hole in the front of the block. Set the lower intake on the heads to see how close to the block the center part is. I need to prime the oil system and stab the distributor before I mount the lower intake for the last time. I hope to mate the engine and transmission before next weekend.

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timgray (timgray.geo@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 05-15-2011 07:06 PM
      If you think you will EVER put a turbo on the engine put a oil return boss in the oil pan now and plug it with a screw in plug. It's a whole lot easier to deal with now than later while it's in the car.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #67, 05-15-2011 08:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timgray:

If you think you will EVER put a turbo on the engine put a oil return boss in the oil pan now and plug it with a screw in plug. It's a whole lot easier to deal with now than later while it's in the car.


Ain't gonna happen. I just want it back on the road again. Thanks for the tip though.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #68, 05-16-2011 07:18 PM
      I was cleaning assorted parts and a few bolts today and came across this bolt. The flash changed the color a bit, as it is a silver bolt with the fancy head.:

I don't remember removing this bolt. This is a 10mm bolt, with a shank of 2 3/4" long. Looks like it had a sealer on the lower end of the threads.

Anybody got a clue?

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #69, 05-19-2011 08:29 PM
      Ordered a set of flo matched and reconditioned fuel injectors for the 3.4. Be here next week.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #70, 05-21-2011 09:07 PM
      Removed the angle iron on the forward part of the cradle that I had welded on for the 4.9 engine mount behind the AC compressor. Installed the two CV shaft seals and the converter seal. Sat the transmission onto the cradle. I used my two transmission mounts that I had purchased new for the 4.9 install. About 1500 miles. Might get the engine on the transmission and cradle tomorrow.

Getting tired of cleaning parts. These 2.8's and T125C transmissions were oil leaking SOBs. Every thing was filthy.

I got my metal PVC pipe in the mail today that goes from the forward Valve Cover to the rubber intake hose

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #71, 05-22-2011 08:26 PM
      Spent the morning cleaning and painting. The transmission was filthy from top to bottom. I need to grind off the rear corner of the engine for the automatic transmission to mount up before I try to put them togeather. Maybe I can get that done tomorrorw.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #72, 05-23-2011 05:22 PM
      I took a piece of cardboard and made me a tracing of this corner of the 2.8. When using an automatic with this 3.4, this corner of the block must be modified.


the tracing cut out:


and used a grinder to get this:


One step closer.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #73, 05-28-2011 10:16 AM
      I finished the block painting yesterday after work. Silver to make it easy to locate leaks of coolant or motor oil. I loosened up the rockers and set the valve lash again just to make sure that the lash was correct before adding the intake and the distributor.


Removed the tape off of the oil filter and filled it with oil to soak the filter element wit clean oil. Poured the excess oil onto the camshaft and added 4 more quarts in to the valley. I then put a 1/4" extension into my drill and put an 8mm socket on the end . Added some tape for insurance and started the oil priming of the engine. Pretty quickly I had the first two rockers (# 6) leaking oil over the tops. I had to put rags around the valve springs to keep from getting oil onto my garage floor.


After adding the rags I finished oiling all of the rockers with the drill


I need to drill out the one hole on the alternator side of the block. It is threaded, and needs to be drilled out so a bolt can thread into the transmission there.
This is the hole I need to drill out. I have a bolt threaded into it for the engine stand.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 05-28-2011 01:35 PM
      Hole drilled.


I also got these Thursday in the mail. Look real nice.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #75, 05-29-2011 01:33 PM
      Did a dance of the old Fiero Two Step this morning. One step forward , and two or three backwards. I got the engine and the transmission bolted up. I had checked the torque converter several times as I was tightening down the transmission bolts. Didn't want to jam the converter. When I had them all tightened up, I reached in to make sure the converter was still free spinning. NO WAY , JOSE. I tried every thing I could think of to get it free, even moving the engine about 1/4" away from the transmission face. Still jammed up. Put everything away and came in the house to cool off.

There it sits!!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #76, 06-02-2011 07:31 PM
      Well I was able to remove the engine from the transmission today. I found the converter still on the flywheel. I almost $hit!!!. I never expected this as there were no bolts holding the converter on the flex plate. I had to pry it off of the engine. Measured it the nose of the converter. It measured .824". as it was supposed to be. I called the transmission shop where I got the converter, and they were able to give me a measurement.I had already put the engine back on the engine stand, so I could just barely see inside the pilot hole in the crankshaft. RUSTY , big time. I will remove the rust tomorrow with my Dremel Tool, and see what gives.

This was wonderful news for me


86 toy MSG #77, 06-02-2011 10:10 PM
      nice progress.. keep it coming!! i want to know how happy you are with the 3.4 power

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #78, 06-02-2011 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86 toy:

nice progress.. keep it coming!! i want to know how happy you are with the 3.4 power


WIll do. I am looking forward to driving it again.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #79, 06-03-2011 04:04 PM
      Took the engine off of the stand this afternoon and cleaned out the pilot hole in the end of the crankshaft. All is well in the world again. I am gonna put the engine and transmission back together tomorrow AM.

I got the new rubber pieces that hold the PCV valve and the air tube in the forward valve cover in today's mail. Also picked up a new distributor rotor this morning.

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86 toy MSG #80, 06-03-2011 10:21 PM
      reading through your build thread alst night has given me some much needed motivation for my 3400 swap project since i havnt touched it in about a month.. today i pulled the rust free engine cradle from the weeds and tomorrow morning i'm heading to my dads to borrow his pressure washer so i can get it cleaned up and painted also going to clean and paint the trans tomorrow..thanks!!!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #81, 06-03-2011 10:37 PM
      I am at work every day at 7:00 am. When I get off of work, and back home around 2:30pm it is a furnace in my garage. To hot to do much in the way of working on the Coupe. Saturday and Sunday mornings are when I can get a few things done with out suffering heat stroke. I had 100* here today at 3:00pm.

I want to get this back together and running, then maybe remove the 3 speed auto and converet it to an automatic overdrive.

Good luck with your swap.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 06-04-2011 10:40 AM
      I was able to get it all back together this morning, and all of the motor mount studs in the cradle holes. TC spins vary easily by hand threw the starter hole.


and side shot:


Tomorrow's goal is lower intake and distributor.

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Rick 88 MSG #83, 06-04-2011 07:21 PM
      Motor is looking good! I don't know how you do it with the humidity there. We are pushing 100 degrees here but it is much drier.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #84, 06-04-2011 07:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rick 88:

Motor is looking good! I don't know how you do it with the humidity there. We are pushing 100 degrees here but it is much drier.


Rick I was posting at 10:40 am. I was threw for the day. I have not been back in the garage since. I am planning on being outside by 7:00am tomorrow to get some work done.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #85, 06-06-2011 09:16 PM
      The temperature has dropped 20 degrees since 3pm. I went out to the garage and was able to get the three torque converter bolts all started and torqued down to spec. Might be able to work tomorrow afternoon if this cool spell stays for a while.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #86, 06-10-2011 10:29 PM
      Ordered a new A1 Cardone distributor from RockAuto this evening. Gonna try to get the two lower intakes installed tomorrow. Will be posting some pictures tomorrow.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #87, 06-11-2011 11:15 AM
      I painted the lower intake, and the fasteners for it this morning. Same for the distributor hold down. All will get a coat of engine paint, clear before they are put out in the hot Texas sun to bake at 100*. Cleaned the last of my dirty parts from the old 2.8.
Lower intake:

Fasteners:

Plug Wire protectors:

More cleaned pieces:

As she sits today:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #88, 06-11-2011 05:09 PM
      Went back out and installed the lower intake. Torqued down to 19Ft Lbs. Starting to look like an engine.


Valve covers painted, and clear coat applied:

and:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #89, 06-12-2011 11:05 AM
      Installed the two valve covers, and cleaned up the middle intake for painting. I want to get this on pretty quick so I can install the injectors and injector rail.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #90, 06-14-2011 10:31 PM
      Got my A1 Cardone distributor off the Fedex truck today. Decals from Fiero Thomas yesterday. V6 thermostat housing in real nice shape arrived this week from 'mrfiero' here on PFF.

Middle intake is now painted and ready to install. I have to chase threads in one of the thermostat bolt holes. The bolt came out with some of the threads still in the bolt when I removed the old housing. Easy to do now with the middle intake still off.

I had a friend weld me a stud onto the engine shock mount for the lower AC bracket to fasten to.

Might get some real work done this weekend.

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #91, 06-15-2011 02:27 AM
      Looking good Joe!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #92, 06-15-2011 07:09 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by BMTFIERO:

Looking good Joe!


Thnaks Tim


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #93, 06-15-2011 07:11 PM
      I was able to pick up my shock mount bracket with the new stud welded in. I need to remove some of the 88 style front engine mount metal before I can install this on the engine. My new Fiero Store oil filler cap arrived today. I put it on already. I also used the tap to chase the threads for the thermostat housing. All speed ahead now.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #94, 06-17-2011 07:31 PM
      Small work slow down here, Our water heater died an untimely death. $275.00. Oh well., such is life.

timgray (timgray.geo@yahoo.com) MSG #95, 06-17-2011 09:41 PM
      Did you get your exhaust logs ported and welded? you should do that before you mount them up. that 3.4 will REALLY appreciate the extra breathing room.

also don't do bolts on the exhaust manifolds. use studs, they wont fail later. also the front heat shield on the 2.8 you can do without as all it does is create leaks because it's mounted between the head and the exhaust log. or redesign it to mount differently. These will give you better reliability and significantly reduce the chances of exhaust gasket leaks.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #96, 06-18-2011 06:42 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by timgray:

Did you get your exhaust logs ported and welded? you should do that before you mount them up. that 3.4 will REALLY appreciate the extra breathing room.

also don't do bolts on the exhaust manifolds. use studs, they wont fail later. also the front heat shield on the 2.8 you can do without as all it does is create leaks because it's mounted between the head and the exhaust log. or redesign it to mount differently. These will give you better reliability and significantly reduce the chances of exhaust gasket leaks.


Havent ported the exhaust manifolds yet, but plan to. I do have the exhaust stud kit here on hand now


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #97, 06-19-2011 12:30 PM
      I was able to get a lot of little things done this morning. AC mount brackets were put back on the engine. Front engine mount bracket was modified to accept the lower AC bracket. Rear Coil mount was added. Middle intake mounted and torqued to specs .Cross over pipe was put in place. I am gonna remove it tomorrow and clean it up , and add some gloss black paint. I have the wrong Alternator. Will not line up with the mount bracket.
Installed the throttle cable into the body. So much fun to be had doing this! NOT



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #98, 06-19-2011 07:21 PM
      Spent the afternoon at O'REilly's Parts house using their AC compressor hub remover . It was $130.00 to take it home, or just use it there inside in an air conditioned room for free. Hard decision to make. I used the tool to remove the pulley system from my 4.9 Cadillac HR6. Serpentine drive. I removed my V Belt pulley system from my locked up 87 GT 2.8 compressor.

The Cadillac HR6 and the Fiero ones have different rear ends. I can not use the rear bracket at the back of the compresssor. I haven't decided if I want to use it this way or not. $180.00 is a nice pile of bread.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #99, 06-20-2011 01:51 PM
      This morning I discovered that the throttle cable had come out of the peddle arm while I was putting it back on the firewall. I had to try to reach in there and find the loose end. I finally gave up and used a piece of coat hanger to pull a string through, then tied the string to the forward end of the cable. After a few hideous minuets I was able to get it all back together correctly.

Installed my injectors in the fuel rail:

Fuel rail on the intake:


I had removed the dash to assist me in the throttle cable install, but it was not any help at all. I was gonna remove it for Beechwood recolor anyway.

and:


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #100, 06-20-2011 02:01 PM
      I did the exact opposite you did, I had to remove the V6 throttle cable to install the Duke throttle cable for the 4.9. I had my friend do it in exchange for parts.

I gotta admit those injectors look NICE! Shiny!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #101, 07-09-2011 03:01 PM
      I was able to get a few things done this morning. Upper intake is ready to go back on the engine now. I need to paint it first. I am thinking Cast Aluminum, silver, like the rest of it. Black or red 'FIERO' engraved area.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 07-11-2011 08:13 PM
      Painted, with a coat of clear. All the red was removed with a wire brush in a die grinder. About a one hour job.

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Rick 88 MSG #103, 07-11-2011 08:32 PM
      I like the Fiero in red. Nice work!

Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #104, 07-12-2011 12:01 AM
      Nice!



Jim


hercimer01 MSG #105, 07-12-2011 01:37 AM
      Nice job! I did mine in 2008. I did the 4t60 for a cost of around $1,200 in parts. $100 to buy a core, $800 for the rebuild, $90 for each rebuilt axle and around $40 for all the brackets and governor cap from a pick and pull and fluid. Check out my signature it has all the part numbers and what cars to find the parts from. Keep up the good work!



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #106, 07-12-2011 07:12 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by hercimer01:

Nice job! I did mine in 2008. I did the 4t60 for a cost of around $1,200 in parts. $100 to buy a core, $800 for the rebuild, $90 for each rebuilt axle and around $40 for all the brackets and governor cap from a pick and pull and fluid. Check out my signature it has all the part numbers and what cars to find the parts from. Keep up the good work!


I had read your 4T60 thread back when you did it. I asked if you ever got the transmission to work correctly. That 90's shirt was hard to forget.


hercimer01 MSG #107, 07-12-2011 08:09 PM
      I got it straightened out finally. The shop in Vegas that did my rebuild on the tranny forgot to put an Oring in down deep in it so it couldn't build up pressure to shift into third. I had a friend of mine go back through it here in Illinois, he got it straight and he added a shift kit, I get 24.6 MPG and 100 MPH is 2900 RPM. I have been driving it daily in in the summers putting on at least 100 miles a day while driving it into Chicago. Its a nice highway cruiser now.

Edit: I wasnt the one wearing the shirt.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 07-12-2011 09:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hercimer01:

Edit: I wasnt the one wearing the shirt.



Blame it on Dave!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #109, 07-17-2011 10:45 PM
      I was able to get some of the wiring harness back on the engine and transmission today. I found a thread where a member had photographed and posted to help another member out. I am gonna try to get the harness all laid out and plugged in tomorrow after work. I am glad I hadn't put the upper intake manifold on the engine yet, as some of it would have been in the way for laying down the harness.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-2-101948.html

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 07-30-2011 09:44 AM
      Lost my job to budget cuts yesterday.I was the last person hired. I now have my mornings open for Fiero projects !!!

Rick 88 MSG #111, 07-30-2011 03:53 PM
      Bummer about the job......but at least you can now work on the motor uninterrupted.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #112, 07-30-2011 09:17 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rick 88:

Bummer about the job......but at least you can now work on the motor uninterrupted.


I was enjoying that job. Meals on Wheels delivery. But, now I can play in the garage until about 10:00am or so every day. Might just get to do some painting now too!

Gonna try to get the upper intake back on the car tomorrow am.


BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #113, 07-31-2011 12:33 AM
      Still tugging along Great job Joe

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #114, 07-31-2011 08:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BMTFIERO:

Still tugging along Great job Joe


Yes indeed still tugging along.

I worked on the crossover exhaust pipe, and their heat shields today.

Added new gaskets for the EGR pipe for the upper intake. Little things done, start to add up.

Located my battery cables and have them ready to go. Battery all charged up and ready to go again. I am gonna add the cables and the battery to check starter engaugement tomorrow.

I wil add tomorrows progress, and maybe an undated photo of the 3.4 on the 88 cradle later tomorrow.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #115, 08-01-2011 11:51 AM
      I am gonna have to remove all of the alternator brackets and remove all of the engine mount bolts. Then I can raise the engine upwards. I cant get in there to add the top two motor mount nuts with the 3.4 oil pan. Must be deeper there. Oh well. I didn't have anything else to do tomorrow morning. After I get these two niuts on , I will be able to install the muffler and tail pipes back onto the engine.

The Old Fiero two step. One step forward, then two backwards.

-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #116, 08-02-2011 09:58 AM
      Took the bolts out of the engine mount out , and raised the engine up. Put the nuts on the motor mount studs. Remounted the engine mount onto the engine. Put the nuts on the rear exhaust manifold heat shield. Installed and tightened the alternator belt. Picked up the shop a bit.

I met UND SOUIX in Conroe,Texas yesterday at 4:00pm and got the 120 MPH speedo he had for me. I am gonna remove it from the dark gray speedo surround . It is much cooler in the house, so in to get back to work. He has a fine red GT. Clean as a whistle.

As it sits this morning.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #117, 08-02-2011 12:20 PM
      tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #118, 08-02-2011 12:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.


I had a 50-50 chance and muffed it !!!!!!! Time to take it all apart once more I guess. I should have known as the muffler was pointing the right way.
-Joe

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Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #119, 08-02-2011 10:28 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by blakeinspace:

tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.



Damn, I hate it when that happens.

Thats what happens when your stooped over too long.. LOL

hehe Jim


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #120, 08-04-2011 09:40 PM
      Used a Scotch Brite pad to scuff the dash and the speedo housing. Cleaned all parts with Alcohol. Assembled my new Harbor Freight Air Filter and oiler and regulator. I am gonna shoot the dash parts at 7:00am when it will be as cool as it will get here tomorrow. It was 106* here this afternoon. At 8:30pm it is still 97*

I used lacquer thinner to remove all of the paint on the dash from The Fiero Stores SW spray cans. The color was spot on, but it is just to hot for doing this in Texas right now. I took the dash with me to the PPG paint store. They all said the same thing. Tooooooooooo hot for spray can.

Ready to shoot:


and

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MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #121, 08-04-2011 10:15 PM
      Looking good Joe....



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #122, 08-05-2011 09:16 AM
      The dash this morning:

and


This dash paint I got from PPG is premixed and ready to shoot. Real good paint. excellent coverage.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #123, 08-13-2011 01:56 PM
      I have had grandchildren here since my last posting. All are back with their parents now. I was able to get a lot of small things done this morning. Muffler hanger brackets attached:

and


V6 power brake vacuum hose:


Soldered on the trunk latch wire harness that a PO had cut off:


Discovered that my harness fastener has the little plastic anchor destroyed. Gonna look in the mall for one:


I connected a battery to the starter to check spacing. Sounds to tight to me. I need to get a set of GM starter shims.
It was up to 97 in my garage at noon. Enough for today


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #124, 08-13-2011 06:40 PM
      Dash pieces I have been working on in the house:






josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #125, 08-15-2011 11:35 AM
      I shimmed the starter this morning. Removed the AC compressor. Routed the + battery cable, mounted the - cable to the forward head's stud. Anchored the harness and cable to the AC compressor mount. Discovered that my alternator has the incorrect serpentine pulley on it. 6 grooves, supposed to be 5. Anchored the wire harness to the cross over pipe. By 10:00am it was steamy in the garage. We had us a good 2" rain here yesterday afternoon. Made steam today.

Tomorrow I will work on the harness a bit, and try to get the upper intake on the engine.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #126, 08-21-2011 11:34 AM
      Went out in the garage this morning at 7:00 am to get a few things done before it gets 107* here today.

Removed the exhaust cross over pipe and twisted the wires in the distributor so they will not interfere with anything else. Mounted the tack filter in it's spot. Remounted the alternator and belt. Rewired the rear part of the harness so it would match the attachment points. Connected the alternator wires and it's adaptor for the CS 130. Mounted the ERS solenoid and connected it's hoses and connector.

Removed the metal lines that are supposed to go from the thermostat to the TB. TB holes were plugged. Mounted the MAP sensor bracket to the upper intake. Added some of the black plastic covering to some of the wires that didn't have any on them. Installed the new red MSD distributor cap and rotor.
as it sits today:

and


I will be back out here at 7 tomorrow AM


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #127, 08-22-2011 10:47 AM
      Back out at 7am. I used this to wrap the exhaust side of the harness this morning. I was pretty happy with it as it has a fabric backing as did the GM tape I removed. This was the 15 foot roll and was just enough. I got this from Summitt.

on the harness


and here also:


Ground wires:


and this one behind the starter area:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #128, 08-23-2011 12:46 PM
      This morning I hooked the exhaust to the cradle and made some measurements. A PO had removed the catalytic converter and added a glass pac in it's place. I had purchased a transmission dip stick tube seal and installed it while it was easy to get to. After the seal install I took the exhaust , and the new catalytic converter to my friends house for welding it on the pipes. After welding it back on I installed it all back on the cradle and fastened the exhaust pipes back together. I hate messing with those hanger springs.


fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #129, 08-23-2011 03:14 PM
      Hey Joe!
Sorry your 4.9L project went south. Hope to see you soon.



Rick 88 MSG #130, 08-23-2011 07:30 PM
      It's coming along nicely! How do the MSD cap and rotor compare to GM pieces? On my 3.4 I also installed Rodneys idler set up, power pully kit , and alternator bracket reinforcement. It's much easier to do with the engine out.

I don't recall having that many grounds. Did you add extras?

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #131, 08-23-2011 08:24 PM
      I bought a new BW cap and rotor. It never did seat well on the distributor. I opted for the red MSD cap. It came with a red rotor also. Sorta snappy I think!!!!Wasn't expecting the rotor.

I think Rodney's idler set, and Dodgerunner's set are the best way to go. After loosing my job, State of Texas budget cutbacks, last month I have to be a bit more thrifty wit my SS checks. I am gonna try to have it running for Rucus, even if unpainted.

I used this thread, with great pictures, to try to get the harness in the right places, and every thing correct the first time.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-2-101948.html

Steve long time no hear.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #132, 08-24-2011 03:06 PM
      Day off with the Dentist. Back to work tomorrow.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 08-26-2011 10:34 AM
      Installed upper intake manifold this morning and torqued it down. Added the power brake pipe before lowering the upper intake.Torqued crossover pipe, and added the heat shields.Installed new gaskets on the EGR pipe. Added MAP to the intake and tightened it down. Maybe back in the next week?

I need to move the dipstick either left or right just a bit. It is right in front of the power brake vacuum pipe.

As of this morning:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #134, 08-27-2011 08:25 PM
      Did very little today. Installed the spark plugs. I was gonna put the spark plugs wires on and discovered that I was missing one plug wire. I have ordered a set of new AC Delco wires fro RockAuto. I located fasteners I will be needing next week. Called it a day.

We set a new record of 109* here today. It is 101 on the back porch at 7:25pm.

Out of town tomorrow.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #135, 09-04-2011 12:28 PM
      We had a slight 'cool front' come in yesterday evening. Only 82* at 11am. I went out in the garage and did a few things this morning. Installed the speedo pod. Added plug wires to the engine. Cleaned the black plastic wire separators.

I re-read all of this post from the first post , until now. This has been a long journey, but is starting to all come together now at the end. Hoping to get the cradle back in the car this week.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 09-05-2011 03:01 PM
      Went back out this morning to get a few things done. I installed the whole console parts and the auxiliary gauge pod. This was a time consuming item as I had forgotten which fasteners and such went into which holes. Trial and error.


Added the rubber fuel supply line to the metal ones on the engine.


katatak MSG #137, 09-05-2011 08:40 PM
      Moving along nicely Joe! The dash looks great. Waiting to hear it run!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #138, 09-05-2011 10:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Moving along nicely Joe! The dash looks great. Waiting to hear it run!


It actually looks better than the picture. The flash makes it look almost tan. The two end vent pieces were not recolored. I was trying to get it to look like a Formula Beechwood. I was able to get pretty darn close.

So close I can smell it!
-Joe



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #139, 09-06-2011 04:36 PM
      Worked out in the garage until 12:30pm. I did all of the items on my 'Punch Out List" that were left to perform before I roll the cradle back underneath the car. I haven't figured out how the throttle pressure cable connects to the throttle body yet. Gotta do some checking up on this.

Added three replacement muffler support springs for the three that were stretched out and bent out of shape. Glad I did this before It is in the car.

Cradle goes back in the car tomorrow morning first thing.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #140, 09-06-2011 04:45 PM
      You reckon she's gonna be running by Ruckus?... or is it one of those things that you don't really want to have a set target?...
when it happens, it happens.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #141, 09-06-2011 04:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

You reckon she's gonna be running by Ruckus?... or is it one of those things that you don't really want to have a set target?...
when it happens, it happens.


It would be nice to be able to drive it up there for Ruckus. Even unpainted!! Poe's twin? The front is white, the roof is red, and the trunk lid is blue right now. We might just have to come in the Malibu again. I am doing everything I can to it while it is cool outside. Supposed to be 55* here tomorrow am.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #142, 09-07-2011 12:44 PM
      Under we go:


Up we go:


Home at last:


Tomorrow am I am gonna check to make sure all is well, cables and wiring not pinched etc. Then I will start hooking it all back together. Lost one 4.5 inch long 12mm front cradle bolt. I have a starter bolt filling in until I can get a new one.



Rick 88 MSG #143, 09-07-2011 01:25 PM
      Coming along nicely Joe! You are going to like the 3.4. Mine averaged 31.3 on the Gunnison trip, and only felt doggy when we got up to about 11,000 ft.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #144, 09-07-2011 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Coming along nicely Joe! You are going to like the 3.4. Mine averaged 31.3 on the Gunnison trip, and only felt doggy when we got up to about 11,000 ft.


My automatic has the 3.33 final drive. I looked up the codes on the tag. I might have some poor fuel mileage, but maybe a little bit more 'ZIP'.
-Joe


BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #145, 09-07-2011 07:18 PM
      Nice Joe

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #146, 09-08-2011 01:13 PM
      Had a nice time with the 'Fiero Two Step' this morning. That is one step forward, two or three backwards.

Tore my garage apart looking for the missing front cradle bolt. Went to Lowes in Livingston. 17 miles each way. They do not have one long enough.

Back home looked on the Internet for one bolt. They run about $2.50 each with 10 bucks shipping. Some places only sell a whole box.

The Fiero Store sells them for about 10 + 5 for shipping.

Went to Huntsville, TX ,(33 miles each way), where they have a Ace Hardware store. Road paving was in progress. One hour for 33 miles!. The only 12 mm bolts they carry were 8.8's not the 10.9 of my original bolt.

Came out of the hardware store to a flat tire. Added my spare, had tire repaired and put back on the truck.

One hour drive back home.

Spent $15.00 for the tire repair, and used $20.00 in gas for a $2.50 bolt that is the incorrect hardness.

Away from home just over 3 1/2 hours.

Back home, I added the bolt to the cradle. Quit for the day. P***ed off.

More tomorrow.
-Joe

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #147, 09-08-2011 11:25 PM
      Hey joe, I believe I may have a extra one if you need it.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #148, 09-09-2011 06:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BMTFIERO:

Hey joe, I believe I may have a extra one if you need it.


Tim , can you throw me one in a padded envelope? I will PM you my address
Thanks
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #149, 09-09-2011 05:01 PM
      A lot of things happened yesterday afternoon. At the Meals on Wheels that I used to work at, the last driver had a heart attack and died at 5:00pm. I was rehired and started back to work this morning at 8am.

Weekends will be my Fiero garage time. It was 105* in the garage at 3:30 when I got home awhile ago.

Nothing done on the car today. I will be out in the garage tomorrow morning around 7am trying to get everything underneath it re connected. Pointing on trying to get it back on it's wheels again.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #150, 09-14-2011 04:40 PM
      Haven't done much this week as I am back working again. It was 109* in the garage when I got home at 2:20 pm. Average daily temperature is supposed to got down about 10-12 points over the next week. AT LAST.

I did have this made from a guy on E bay for $8.00:


I am planning on getting the wheels back on and the car back on the ground this weekend. Then everything can be finished with out standing on a ladder.



Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #151, 09-14-2011 09:55 PM
      ^^ Nice!

keep it goin' It's lookin GOOD!

Cant wait to see it in person

Jim

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fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #152, 09-16-2011 03:55 PM
      Good to see your progress! I bet your wife would've been a LOT happier driving that Yellow Formula with working A/C all of last year, huh? . I'm just happy to be getting my life back together so I can enjoy driving a Fiero again! SO....tick, tock, Ruckus is just around the corner. LMK if you need anything, I'm liquidating Fiero parts.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #153, 09-16-2011 04:44 PM
      She has 'Nixxed' the repaint of my 88 to the soft beautiful Fiero Yellow. They are that way at times. Call me on my cell, or PM me your number
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #154, 09-16-2011 05:55 PM
      This way:


or this way:



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #155, 09-17-2011 12:43 PM
      Got a bunch of work done this morning.

Passenger side coolant hoses installed and tightened.

Both axles installed, along with the upper two large strut bolts.

Brakes back on the car tomorrow am.

I was gonna attach all of the parking brake cables back together, and can't remember where the forward cable passes threw the 88 cradle. Driver side rears are still in place. I'll have to look at some of my 4.9 swap pictures to see where I routed it .

Can't find one outer Axel nut washer.

More tomorrow AM

Front cradle bolts came from The Fiero Store in the mail today. More to finish up tomorrow morning.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #156, 09-18-2011 05:46 PM
      Didn't get much finished today. Had around 1.5" rain this morning in about 2 hours. Just sat and watched it rain.

Cleaned up both rear brake rotors and put them on the car. Mounted both rear calipers on the car. Mounted the two axle nuts after locating the missing washer from yesterday. I have the passenger side brake a bit to tight. I need to take it back off and turn the caliper piston in just a bit. Get that right, then the parking brake stuff will be next.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #157, 09-19-2011 07:52 PM
      A bit cooler in the garage this afternoon. I was able to finish the mounting of the two rear calipers. Got them on the other day, but the passenger side was to tight on the rotor. I removed the caliper and screwed the piston back in 1/2 turn. All is well in the Fiero world again.

Purchased a new Dorman axle nut for one side. I had a new one already for the other side. 200 ft lbs tomorrow before connecting up the parking brake cables.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #158, 09-20-2011 04:07 PM
      Got this in the mail yesterday. Came shipped in a clear cellophane jacket. Sorta neat.


Attached and adjusted all parking brake cables. I have a good firm handle at about 1/2 way up of the lever. Last time I installed the cradle with the Cadillac power train I used as simple level to set camber. Not perfect, but gets it close enough until I can get to an alignment shop. I'll do that tomorrow if it is cool in the garage after work.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #159, 09-24-2011 03:53 PM
      March 18,2011 I removed the wheels and took the 4.9 out of my 88 Coupe. This morning it was only 59*a t 7:00am. I went out and proceed to finish up everything underneath to get it back on the garage floor. Added the wheels and down she goes.


Tomorrow morning I will start on the top side, wiring harness and cables etc. Might get to turn the key for the first time.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #160, 09-24-2011 08:54 PM
      After a bit to eat this evening I went and purchased a new negative battery cable. Picked up 8 quarts of Dex/Mer transmission fluid while I was there.

I painted these pieces beechwood this evening also:

and 'C' pillar trim with the 4 little round fastener covers:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #161, 09-25-2011 11:20 AM
      This morning I put the 'C' pillar trim back in the car, and added the seat hinge cover to the seat. Back in the car and bolted down.


Moved the start signal wire in the engine half of C500 from A4 to E2. My car thinks it is a stick shift car, so I just re-pin that one wire socket. C500 and Battery 12V+ wires mounted and tight.


Put the C203, ECM connectors and the ALDL part of the harness inside the car. Added the retainer clip to the plastic pass threw connector.

By 10:00am it is 85*, and 75% humidity. Football Day USA. I've had enough for today. We will have a cool spell back again Wednesday, so I can get some after work, things done.

Ordered me a pair of these Stainless Steeel, with resonators:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #162, 09-27-2011 05:21 PM
      Imperfections in the roof section I need to fix before I can paint. I only want to fix it one time.

and

and

and


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #163, 10-03-2011 10:33 PM
      Had a bad last week. Stomach virus of some type. Missed three days work. I was up to going to Ruckus X last weekend.

I was able to do a few things to the car after work today. Added a V6 heater pipe assembly to the car. I can fill the coolant system now. I found that I could remove the rubber part of the hose from the pipe, and turn it 90 degrees,. It would then fit between the cradle mount ears, and the front end of the cradle on the passenger side. Used a new Dorman white nylon Quick Disconnect clip and plugged it right in. I tried to get one at the Chevy dealer. They just grinned . Dorman or nothing it looks like. Good to go now. I am planning on connecting the ECM and C203 plugs tomorrow, and see if it will crank over.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #164, 10-05-2011 08:41 PM
      Got a lot finished this afternoon in the garage. ECM connectors plugged in, as were the C203s. Throttle cable, brake booster vacuum hose, two ground straps. Located my MAT sensor and added it to it's plug in at the air filter base. Added a new piece of 5/8" heater hose to the thermostat barb. New thermostat located in the garage.

Tomorrow I will install the negative battery cable and battery. We will give her a turn of the key tomorrow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #165, 10-06-2011 04:14 PM
      2:50pm

It started by accident. I reached in and turned the key to see if the Volt lamp came on, and to see if the tach moved while it was cranking. It fired off and ran a few seconds before I could turn it off. Wasn't loud at all. I unplugged the coil and cranked it over until I saw good oil pressure on the gauge. It was over 40 lbs of pressure cranking. I am gonna fill the coolant and transmission fluid tomorrow and add the dog bone into the mix.

I have my friend bringing his timing light over tomorrow and I can set the timing. Maybe first ride tomorrow. We'll see.
-Joe


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #166, 10-06-2011 04:59 PM
      WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

ThatFieroKid MSG #167, 10-06-2011 05:43 PM
      Great! If you run it could you post some pictures?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #168, 10-06-2011 06:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ThatFieroKid:

Great! If you run it could you post some pictures?


After I fill the coolant, transmission fluid and set the timing, if all is well I will post a video. Might not be able to get to work on it after work tomorrow, the wife has plans for me tomorrow afternoon already. Saturday morning is mine though!!!!!!!!!!

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Rick 88 MSG #169, 10-06-2011 06:45 PM
     

ThatFieroKid MSG #170, 10-06-2011 06:56 PM
      Enjoy the ride!

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #171, 10-07-2011 02:58 PM
      Good luck Joe! I know how long you've been wanting to drive a Fiero again. I think Cathy would've been happier with the little Yellow Formula.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #172, 10-07-2011 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Good luck Joe! I know how long you've been wanting to drive a Fiero again. I think Cathy would've been happier with the little Yellow Formula.


Yer breaking my heart here Steve. I am still wanting a High Yellow Fiero. San Antonio guy's fault, after I spent two days around his Mint shape yellow T top.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #173, 10-08-2011 12:13 PM
      I was able to fill the coolant system, and add 4 quarts of transmission fluid. This got it up to full. I set the timing and took it for a one mile ride. The roads in here where I live are to bumpy to get it up to speed to see if the TCC will engage. I have felt all three shifts, as it is supposed to do. I have something going on with the temperature gauge. No movement I will run a few tests on it to see what is up there. My idle is right at 1700 RPM, Vacuum leak somewhere I am sure.

I am gonna replace the tail lights so I can get it out on the street off of the property here and check for TCC engagement about dusk. I need to renew my vehicle inspection and registration one day next week. I didn't want to pay for a new registration until I could drive it

3.4 is pretty peppy with the 3.33 final drive. I had a nice grin on my face aftert I got it off the stop sign pretty hard.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #174, 10-08-2011 05:44 PM
      Spent the past 2 hours reading how to locate vacuum leaks and trouble shoot a IACs. I will test these later this evening before I take the car out past dusk to check out the TCC.

I did notice that when I retared the timing the idle dropped down 500 RPM. I was retarding it with the aid of a timing light. I was around 4 degrees to high. I had purchasaed a used Rodney Dickman V6 belt idler kit in the mall. It cam in todays mail. I will install it one day this week.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #175, 10-08-2011 07:37 PM
      I was able to check my IAC throttle body hole. Covered it made no difference in engine RPM. It would start and run with the 'A' and 'B' pins on the ALDL shunted across. Big air leak somewhere,

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #176, 10-08-2011 08:57 PM
      Just got back from a dusk lite drive about of 6 miles. I placed the transmission in 1st and ran it up to about 4700 RPM, then let off of the throttle until it was back to idle speed. Doing this is supposed to expand the rings up against the cylinder walls so they will seat properly. 20 times as Hastings instructions .

Next I got up on a good smooth road and got it up to around 47 MPH. Once there it locked the converter. It seems that all is well in the transmission department. I need to add 1 pint of transmission fluid.

I switched the two green wires in their sockets on the temperature gauge sending unit connector. My Temp gauge now comes up 1/8". No lighting up of the 'TEMP' bulb. Engine coolant was pretty well at 203* by my scanner while driving.

I have the right turn signal working, no left. I have the 'AJAR' light working, but no other dash light are coming on.

All speedo pod illumination bulbs are working correctly. Pretty red tint in the speedo pod. The auxiliary gauge pod is all good to go.

The 3.4 is real peppy and sounds good on the good smooth road I was on. The exhaust note is not to loud as to be annoying. I am pretty happy as a whole, but want to get it all squared away so I can get my safety inspection one day next week.

Editted to add no smoking or fuel smell outside the car with the engine running, or at start up.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #177, 10-08-2011 10:45 PM
      WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (again)

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #178, 10-09-2011 11:29 AM
      Having a bad back sorta day. I will not be out there bending over the car trying to locate the vacuum leak today.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #179, 10-10-2011 02:29 PM
      I went out to the car to get some work done this morning at 9am. After removing the distributor cap and rotor I could see that the idle air tube was not seated into the back face of the throttle body. The larger of the two black tubes is supposed to be in the 1/2" hole. I removed the throttle body and added a new 'O' ring into the groove:


After reconnecting it all up, my idle has dropped down to about 1300 RPM in Park. When I put my thumb on the air idle port of the throttle body the engine is just barely running now. SO I still have a small leak I will do some more testing later tonight.

Went back out and removed the throttle body, cap and rotor. I put the piece of soda can underneath the EGR pipe where it connects to the upper intake. All is well in the idle department now. I was able to set the timing at idle instead of at 1700 RPM. I will remove the pipe one day this week and try to find where the leak is. Might just be the gasket, as I had modded a gasket to bolt it all up. It was all we could find at the parts house back then. I have tried Ebay for a Camaro/Firebird one with no luck. I don't really want to pay $100.00 for a new EGR pipe with The Fiero Store.

I dropped my 10mm wrench while working. I looked under the car to find it and saw I have a small oil stain right underneath the area of the oil filter/ oil pressure pipe. I will be under the one day real soon as I want to add the Rodney Dickman alternator belt idler kit

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #180, 10-11-2011 04:47 PM
      I removed the EGR pipe today and removed the little silver insulation thing. This was open more, but I had closed it a bit with pliers. A bit out of focus, but good enough to see the break.



Rick 88 MSG #181, 10-11-2011 06:33 PM
      I replaced my EGR tube with the flexible braided steel version. No problems since then. You could just block it off till you find a replacment.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #182, 10-11-2011 07:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

I replaced my EGR tube with the flexible braided steel version. No problems since then. You could just block it off till you find a replacment.


I ordered 4 EGR gaskets from The Fiero Store today. When they get here I will make a block off plate and mount it up. I want to drive the car around 500 miles before I start removing the body panels again for painting. I have MstangsBware trying to locate me one in his parts.

And you were right. The 3.4 is a blast to drive.
-Joe


fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #183, 10-11-2011 09:42 PM
      LMK if he finds one or not. I probably have one laying around.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #184, 10-12-2011 04:45 PM
      I made me an EGR tube block off plate and a gasket for the upper intake. Put it all on the car. Fired up the first turn of the key, idling sweet around 900 RPM. I can at least drive it now, or move it around the garage with out pushing it everywhere. I will shunt the two sensor wires on the EGR solenoid. so the ECM stays happy.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #185, 10-12-2011 05:36 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by fierocarparts:

LMK if he finds one or not. I probably have one laying around.


His also has a crack. I am in need Steve.
-Joe

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fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #186, 10-13-2011 02:48 PM
      I'll dig it out for you Joe.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #187, 10-13-2011 05:48 PM
      I was able to try to see what is going on with my Temp gauge. Looks like the sending unit is toast. Gauge works fine by shorting the wire to ground at the back of the car. Using my test light it will go up and down while I move the tip against the engine ground and move it back and forth.

Local parts house has on, I didn't get the brand, for $43.00. I called O'Rilleys and they will have BWD WT414 there tomorrow for $20.00. GO figure.

I can wait a day for $20.00!!

I haven't been able to figure out why the 'Temp' lite will not work. If I offer a ground to the bulb, the light comes on. Grounding the wire at the back , key on, does nothing. It should light up. I really do not want to pull that Speedo Pod again. It is hard on those plastic circuit boards to take those connectors out of their sockets

My neighbor brought my EGR tube back just a while ago. He was able to braze a circle around the tube where the crack was. We put it in a pail of water and used compressed air to check it for leaks. About 12lbs of pressure was all I could hold back with my finger on the bottom end, and operate the nozzle on the top. No leaks. I will try it out when my tube gaskets get here from The Fiero Sore.

He says this was a very hard partch job to do.




JCircs (jerryc11@verizon.net) MSG #188, 10-13-2011 06:32 PM
      I have been following your thread for some time now. I just had my 3.4pr swap completed about 500 miles ago. It's a nice improvement over the 2.8 but was expecting a little more umph..... It is quicker, smoother and I hope more reliable but I'm already looking for something to add a few more horses. Ive been waiting to hear your opinion when you complete.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #189, 10-13-2011 06:56 PM
      I have only driven my car about 10 miles. My inspection and registration are out. I am going to renew the tags tomorrow, and maybe get my inspection Monday. So until I am street legal I am a bit leary about giving it a good shake down. I was pretty pleased with the throttle response I had with my limited distance traveled.

I now have the timing set, and vacuum leaks repaired. So my 3.4 should be a bit 'happier'. My automatic transmission is a 1986 with the 3.33 final drive ratio. I am sure it has something to do with my GRIN.

I will post more information regarding my thoughts with the 3.4 at around the 500 mile mark when the engine is broken in and I am able to hit 'it' a bit harder than now.
-Joe

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fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #190, 10-14-2011 01:28 AM
      Glad you got it fixed quickly.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #191, 10-14-2011 07:32 PM
      I got some paint off of the FedEx truck after work today. Went to town and purchased the new temperature gauge sending unit I ordered yesterday. Got my saw horses ready for some body work I want to get done tomorrow. I want to get the upper rear roof section, both quarter panels, and the deck lid ready to top coat this weekend.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #192, 10-15-2011 08:59 PM
      This was a pisser of a day. My air compressor doesn't want to stay running. I have had it since 1999. Aren't they supposed to last 50 years? I wonder if Wal-Mart will still give me my money back.

Removed all the deck lid lock hardware and the rubber piece off of the rear window area. Used a a razor blade to take the decals off of the inside of the deck lid.

I was able to hand sand the deck lid with some 220 dry paper. I will get me some 200 Wet or Dry tomorrow so I can get this piece worked down for primer. Seems like w/d cuts a bit faster, and does not clog up the paper as bad, compared to using dry sand paper.

After supper I went back out to the garage and put the brazed EGR tube back on the car with the new gaskets. Replaced the little silver insulation covering with 7 hog rings . Turned the ignition key. All is well in the EGR world so far. Nice 900 RPM idle. I will take it on a short shakedown drive tomorrow to see how it is holding up after I install the Temperature Gauge sending unit.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #193, 10-16-2011 01:09 PM
      I was able to get the air filter pieces back on the car this morning. I also replaced the temperature sending unit for the gauge. The gauge reads as the one in my 86 'Duke' powered car did. The first quarter 'TIC' is about 190*. Added the driver side quarter panel for the air intake. I set a code 32 while on my little ride. I had forgotten to add the vacuum hose back to the EGR valve. You can see the EGR nipple without the vacuum line attached in the first picture of the engine. I took it for a short 6 mile ride. Added the rear side marker lights back to the body. It will now pass inspection tomorrow after work.
Deck lid sanding in progress:

3.4 in the engine bay:

and

Before I added the quarter panel:

As she sits now:

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30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #194, 10-16-2011 07:21 PM
     
 
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josef644:... My air compressor doesn't want to stay running. I have had it since 1999. Aren't they supposed to last 50 years? ...


Spray some lube on the compressor's piston and on the rod bushing.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #195, 10-17-2011 05:43 PM
      I took the car to get the inspection after work today. Passed. They didn't check for Jack $hipp, anywhere or any thing. All they wanted was their inspection fee. It was an 'inspection' joke.

I had discovered that I wasn't jumping the correct two holes in the ALDL before I set the timing. I corrected it and get the timing on 10*.
After a short drive I found I now have a gutless rag. NO pep at all. I was thinking that it was trying to take off in 3rd gear. I am gonna put the timing back where it was and go for another drive later this evening.

I wil post results.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #196, 10-17-2011 06:46 PM
      Went back to my old timing marks and the car came alive again. I am thinking that I marked my 3.4 harmonic balancer incorrectly.

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #197, 10-17-2011 07:20 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Went back to my old timing marks and the car came alive again. I am thinking that I marked my 3.4 harmonic balancer incorrectly.


Good to hear the car is running good for you....Hope to see it at one of the future shows....


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #198, 10-17-2011 07:28 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Good to hear the car is running good for you....Hope to see it at one of the future shows....


I get it dialed in, I wil be driving it up there. I had a plastic film taped to the roof where the sunroof used to go. The wind ate it today at about 60 MPH. Made a lot of noise flapping in my face. I need to finish teh front roof section I got from you last spring.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #199, 10-18-2011 05:57 PM
      I was able to find my 2.8 harmonic balancer after work today. After cleaning it up, I have decided to put it on my 3.4 so I can try to get the base timing correct. I am leary of driving it to much with out being able to trust where the TDC mark is. I was reading where.
 
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Originally posted by theogre:

Advance base timing then ECM just retard it back.
Too much base timing them ECM in hosed but doesn't trip a error code... Because there Isn't one...
DTC 42 usually means ignition module or wires between module and ECM is bad.

Base timing affects engine starting.



So maybe if I can just get it in the ball park for now. I am planing on raising the rear of the car tomorrow and start on removing the harmonic balancer. I also have an alternator idler kit from Rodney Dickman to install. I want to look for the oil drip too!.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #200, 10-19-2011 06:51 PM
      I raised the car after work and remarked my harmonic balancer to 4.600 " before the 3.4 timing mark. I was able to set the base timing to 10 *. Went for a ride. As I was pulling off of the property, the idle jumped back up again like it was when the EGR tube was cracked. Took the car on a 30 mile run. It ran better than it ever has since I got it back on the road. Great power, and smooth as glass.

I jumped ALDL pins A and B. The engine started right up. Ain't supposed to unless the EGR tube is cracked .I am gonna remove the silver insulation covering on the EGR tube tomorrow after work and see if the tube is cracked again.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #201, 10-19-2011 07:31 PM
      Oil leak turned out to be the oil pan drain plug was not tight enough. It was just over finger tight. I am very happy to get this fixed before it fell out on the road somewhere and trashed my engine.

Temperature seams to be happpy at 188*


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #202, 10-21-2011 05:26 PM
      I drove it short of 100 miles today. I am getting a code 32. The dreaded EGR code from hell. The car runs great. I was able to figure out the TV cable adjustment the other day. Transmission is working perfectly.

I am estimating I am getting around 21 MPG today.


Rick 88 MSG #203, 10-21-2011 06:16 PM
      Glad to hear it is on the road! I drive my 3.4 almost daily. I really like the additonal power and torque, plus the fuel mileage.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #204, 10-22-2011 01:35 PM
      Primered the deck lid this morning. Before the primer was added. My camera will not take a piucture out in the sunlight today for some reason.


Buff Primer:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #205, 10-22-2011 05:50 PM
      I printed the instructions Buddy Craigg posted in his Code 32 thread.

My EGR valve will bleed off the vacuum while hooked to the vacuum pump in about 15 seconds.

I have excellent vacuum from the TB to the EGR solenoid. 18 inches or more as I blipped the throttle.

I can not open the EGR valve from the solenoid end of the plastic line. I am gonna go get some vacuum hose and replace it from except the last few inches.

Vacuum sensor closes at around 3 inches of vacuum.

My curved plastic hose broke in half. I am not sure if I broke it, or it was already cracked. I will replace it with hose.

I haven't tried the vacuum supply hose plugged onto the vacuum switch test yet. I will do this tomorrow.

I Ohmed the solenoid, and got 65.6 ohms.

Is this proper for the EGR to bleed down like this? These darned things are almost $60.00 !!!!!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #206, 10-23-2011 07:37 PM
      How do I correct the speedo? It runs about 7 MPH slow. I am pretty sure the Tach is correct as it matches the rpm on the scanner while driving. The 3.33 final drive should be running 2630 RPM at 60 MPH. About 3069 RPM for 70 MPH.

Numbers above stolen from Ogre's cave. Credit and praise as due to The Ogre.

I was going to replace one of the hard plastic vacuum tubes underneath the upper intake. I cut the wrong one. It was the one to the fuel pressure regulator. SO, I went and picked up a Fel Pro intake manifold set. Fiero 2.8, @ $19.47 including tax. Removed the upper intake and replaced my screw up. I will replace the upper intake after work tomorrow. I have now replaced all of the small hard plastic lines with new vacuum hose. I retained the ends that plug onto the intakes, MAP's etc. Looking forward to a drive tomorrow afternoon.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #207, 10-24-2011 07:50 PM
      I was able to get the upper intake back on the engine. Made me a 30 mile run. SES light came on about the time I hit 60 MPH. I am gonna clear the codes and try a run tomorrow with the ported vacuum to the vacuum switch on the engine to check all the wiring. Buddy Craigg says this will let the ECM think the EGR is working. Just to rule out the wiring.

Unhappy today. I am trying to purchase a rebuilt EGR solenoid from Paul V. I will also replace my weak EGR valve with a new one.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #208, 10-25-2011 04:10 PM
      I had good luck with the car today. I shorted across the two vacuum sensor wires at the EGR solenoid. I went for a 40 mile run at speeds of 55 to 70 MPH. No SES light this time. This means that either the solenoid or the EGR is bad. I know the ohms on the solenoid or low, around 65 . Should be in the ballpark of 120 ohms. Also my EGR valve will bleed of the vacuum in under 20 seconds. I am gonna replace both.

Ordered new EGR valve from O'Reilly's Auto Parts. I have contacted Paul V for a rebuilt EGR solenoid that he sells in the Mall.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #209, 10-28-2011 03:32 PM
      Testing the new PIP:


I have the new EGR valve, and the hose adapter for the vacuum line. The new one uses a larger size hose.

I received my Evercoat Vette Panel Adhasive to fix the bo bo's in my roof and deck lid.

Waiting on my EGR solenoid from PaulV. I'll add the EGR valve tomorrow.

I went out to the garage and installed my new EGR valve. I was gonna add the blue 30 tooth VSS gear, and found I had a blue one already. I posted a white 31 tooth gear wanted thread in the mall

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #210, 10-30-2011 03:21 PM
      I took the car for a good 120 mile drive on a beautiful Texas Fall day. No DTC's. I had replaced the EGR, the plastic line , and a rebuilt EGR solenoid from PaulV here on PFF.

All is well in the Fiero world today!

I can tell that the fuel mileage is better than before, as the gauge seams to move lower more slowly. I have purchased a transmission filter kit from O'Rilley's Auto Parts and will start on that tomorrow after work.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #211, 10-31-2011 06:38 PM
      This replacing the transmission filter and gasket was a real fun project.

First I used some carb and choke cleaner to remove most of the crud and dirt around the bolt heads.

Loosen all bolts and allow some of the transmission fluid to drain out into a large tall tote or pan. You had better keep a few rags handy underneath as you will need them. I promise you!!!! After you finish with the fluid pan you will see the internals of the 125C.

Use the rags to wipe all of the dripping fluid before you get a mouth full.

When you remove the filter, you will loose about 2/3rd cup of fluid onto your garage floor. I should have had a tote lid or a kitty liter box underneath the transmission to catch the fluid. I didn't know until it was to late.

My pan gasket holes were small enough that I could thread 4 bolts into it to keep the gasket squared up and straight. All bolts torqued to 8 FT lbs. I wait about 10 minuets and check them again. All needed a bit more torque applied.

It got late and I stopped for the evening. Tomorrow I will refill the transmission and go for a test drive .

I discovered that I have a leak on the rear passenger side caliper. Not bad, but it is wet. I will need to replace it soon.

I poured into a gallon jug, about 3 & 1/2 quarts of the old transmission fluid. The color of the fluid was about right. You will need 4 quarts to fill it back up.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #212, 11-01-2011 05:03 PM
      I put 4 quarts of fluid in the transmission this afternoon. Before I let the car down I removed the driver side rear wheel and found where my splash guard for the brake rotor was against it . I had a nice constant growl. I also let off of the parking brake a bit. Car rolls easier now. I took a look at the passenger side rear caliper. It is leaking from the little yellow nub in the center of the caliper piston. Time for a repair.

Will try a 20 mile ride tomorrow to see if the fluid leak is gone.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #213, 11-02-2011 03:43 PM
      Took the car for a nice 50 mile trip today. I had a SES light come on about half way. I had my scanner connected, and the MAP sensor was throwing the code. I shut it all down, and found the MAP connector had come loose. I need to get a new connector for it.

Transmission shifted good. I have a dry pan gasket today, but where the two lines go into the transmission for the cooler , I have a fair sized wet spot. I will raise the car up and remove the cross over coolant pipe to try to nail down the leak.

I got my Rodney Dickman speaker grill cloth in today's mail. Also the white 31 tooth speedometer gear. It will be put on the car pretty soon.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #214, 11-03-2011 04:14 PM
      Grandchildren will be here tomorrow after work. Won't get much done until next week. The boy is 6, and you have to stay with him or else!!!!!!!

I located a radio wiring diagram for the correct locations of the wiring. I had the radio wire to the power antena connected to the ground circut for some reason. I cut this lead. I will do a test of the battery voltage tomorrow befor going to work to see how much drain happens overnight. I couldn't get the ohm draw part of my gauge to work.

Fixed the meter. I have less than .03 draw with this wire cut. I did have .46 amp draw.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #215, 11-04-2011 04:53 PM
      Battery was still good when I got home from work today. I removed the console to look for my rear speaker wires. Both rears were silent. The little connector was lodged underneath the radio surround. Plugged it into the radio and all is well in Fiero 'radio' land once again.

Removed the speaker grills to add the new Rodney Dickman cloth pieces. I will post a photo after I have them mounted and back in the dash.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #216, 11-04-2011 05:43 PM
      Hey Joe, I'm glad you finally got your Fiero going. I'm just curious, but I'm guessing you rather have your current setup compared to the 4.9? I know I'm real happy with it.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #217, 11-04-2011 05:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

Hey Joe, I'm glad you finally got your Fiero going. I'm just curious, but I'm guessing you rather have your current setup compared to the 4.9? I know I'm real happy with it.


The 4.9 was a 'Torque Monster'. Grin factor was quite high. It also used more fuel than the 3.4 does. This one is easier on the pocket book. Grin factor is high here. My 3.4 has a good pull, but it will never be a 4.9. I am quite pleased with the 3.4 though. If I can locate the transmission fluid leak and get it 'dry' I will be using it for a DD to get the engine broken in. About 350 miles right now.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #218, 11-07-2011 05:00 PM
      Installed the new MAP connector. I also installed the radio, and all the console pieces. Put the Radio surround bezel back in the car. Looks pretty darned good!!!!!! Flash makes it look lighter than it is. 88 Beechwood. Drivers side door jam moulding is correct, and the same color as the dash.

After work tomorrow I am gonna raise the rear and try to find out what the heck is going on with the leaking transmission fluid.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #219, 11-08-2011 04:25 PM
      Got it all raised up and block so it will stay in place. Tomorrow after work I will get off to the side and have the wife hold down the brakes. Once in gear the fluid should move inside the lines. I am thinking that the bottom of the two fluid cooler lines is the source of the fluid loss. The top one is almost dry. The bottom one is soaked.

Temperature is 76, and the humidity high. I am fogging my glasses while was cleaning and looking for the leak.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #220, 11-08-2011 09:10 PM
      I am thinking it is coming from here:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #221, 11-09-2011 05:14 PM
      Found the leak. I tightened it down good. No leak. I am gonna buy me a good Craftsman line wrench tomorrow and put a good turn on it. My Harbor Freight one is junk. A 13mm open end fits loose, and a 1/2" open end is just a bit to tight. Don't want to round off the shoulders.


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #222, 11-09-2011 07:21 PM
      YUM

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #223, 11-09-2011 08:30 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 30+mpg:

YUM



Had some last night!!!!!!!!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #224, 11-10-2011 05:53 PM
      I taped a piece of clear plastic on the garage floor. Went for a nice 30 mile ride. I have two small dots of red fluid on the floor after about 10 minuets of waiting. I will raise the car and try to locate the leak tomorrow morning. Transmission dipstick was about 1 pint low while hot. I was really hoping this was 'fixed'.

TXGOOD MSG #225, 11-11-2011 07:04 AM
      Glad you are so close to getting it done Joe. Well, as done as these cars ever get.
I`m sure, like I was for a long time, you are ready to take a Fiero to a Fiero event.
Mike


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #226, 11-11-2011 08:54 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by TXGOOD:

Glad you are so close to getting it done Joe. Well, as done as these cars ever get.
I`m sure, like I was for a long time, you are ready to take a Fiero to a Fiero event.
Mike


I thought about a trip up north tomorrow, but I don't want to drip transmission fluid all the way to Ft. Worth and back.

It's 36* outside. I will get out to see whats wet after a bit of a thawing out. Supposed to get up to 68 today.

YUM

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #227, 11-11-2011 11:58 AM
      A bit of bad luck here. Looks like I have a leaking torque converter seal. There is a small 2"X3" square hole in the very bottom of the transmission. I can insert my little finger inside. I get red transmission fluid . All the dripping fluid seems to be originating from the area. I replaced this seal before I set the converter. Bad seal I think!!!

I can either remove the transmission and replace the seal, or drive it and put up with the leak until I fix the seal. Maybe replace the two long AC lines, and add an AC compressor. I have the RD alternator kit to install also. This would be a good time to drop it onto the engine. I was looking forward to some driving


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #228, 11-11-2011 03:25 PM
      Nice Rodney Dickman Beechwood speaker cloth:


I have them out in the Texas sun for a good sun dry. I will trim and replace them this afternoon. I will add a picture of these installed in the dash.

I have decided to start dropping the cradle and installing a new seal tomorrow. Ordered a new National Seal on RockAuto.com $14.47 shipped. Same seal was $23.00 local.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #229, 11-12-2011 08:19 PM
      In the dash:


and


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #230, 11-13-2011 12:34 PM
      Made a quick trip to 'Poe' Valley Ranch and scored a set of nice AC long aluminum lines. I will install these while I have the cradle and engine out of the car. I started removing pieces on top of the engine for dropping the cradle. Backed the car out and drained the coolant system first. Pulled back in the garage and rocked the car back and forth to remove the dog bone bolt first.

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MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #231, 11-13-2011 05:01 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Made a quick trip to 'Poe' Valley Ranch and scored a set of nice AC long aluminum lines. I will install these while I have the cradle and engine out of the car. I started removing pieces on top of the engine for dropping the cradle. Backed the car out and drained the coolant system first. Pulled back in the garage and rocked the car back and forth to remove the dog bone bolt first.



Sorry I misseed you Joe but had a hot motor swap issue going on that had to be figured out to get the car back on the road for the guy.....Let me know if you need any other parts....


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #232, 11-13-2011 08:45 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Sorry I missed you Joe but had a hot motor swap issue going on that had to be figured out to get the car back on the road for the guy.....Let me know if you need any other parts....


Wasn't a problem. It was just a real nice day to take a ride and get out of the house and garage. Looks like you got him back on the road. Read your thread.

I have the cradle almost ready to come out. I still have the transmission lines to unhook. I have to figure out a way to keep the gas from leaking in the garage.

I hope I am not gonna need any more parts to finish this up.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #233, 11-14-2011 09:31 PM
      I took an old fuel line I had and cut it about three inches long. I beat the end closed, and folded it over once. One more tap with a hammer. I removed the fuel out line at the fuel filter and threaded my 'modded' piece. No gas leak in my garage floor.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #234, 11-20-2011 05:25 PM
      After the Dallas game was over I went out and removed the cradle bolts and the transmission cooler lines. I will get it out of the car tomorrow after work.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #235, 11-22-2011 07:36 PM
      4 Seasons HR6 AC compressor on the way. New TCC solenoid ordered and on the way. Haven't been able to find a new 3rd gear switch at the usual places.

Transmission fluid drained. Easy to dao before I drop the cradle.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #236, 11-25-2011 02:40 PM
      Down :


and out:


I will take the engine off the transmission tomorrow AM


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #237, 11-30-2011 07:34 PM
      I removed the exhaust crossover pipe, both axle shafts,starter, converter bolts and the front motor mount bolts today. It is ready to come apart tomorrow after work. I left two of the transmisssion bolts holding the engine on. All wires are loosened and removed.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #238, 12-01-2011 04:49 PM
      Engine is on the engine stand. Transmission is still on the cradle. I will remove the transmission and pop off the converter and change the seal this weekend. I am gonna replace the TCC solenoid and 3rd gear switch before going back together. I need to see the 3rd gear switch before ordering I was told.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #239, 12-03-2011 01:14 PM
      Removed the converter and transmission from the cradle. I removed the side cover and examined the 3rd gear switch. Mine is a two wire with slide over lugs for the connections. I ordered a new 3rd gear switch online. I had ordered a new TCC solenoid and a new gasket already. They are both here and ready to go.

As she sits:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #240, 12-07-2011 06:39 PM
      My 3rd gear pressure switch came today. It was the wrong one. I have the 'Correct' one on the way? I am at a stand still until I get it. I was hoping to mate the engine and transmisssion this weekend. Not gonna happen.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #241, 12-09-2011 06:59 PM
      My transmission 3rd gear switch came today. I hope to get it, and the new TCC solenoid in the transmission Sunday. I have to work all day tomorrorw.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #242, 12-11-2011 05:43 PM
      Got the TCC solenoid and 3rd gear switch installed today. New torque converter seal installed. Gonna join the engine and transmission pretty quick.

This was a beautiful day here in Texas, and would have been a perfect time for a trip around Lake Livingston.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #243, 12-17-2011 02:21 PM
      I was able to get the torque converter back onto the transmission and lower the engine back onto the cradle. Converter spins by hand threw the starter hole as it should.I can work on it now in the garage regardless what the weather is doing outside. I will add the AC compressor and the Rodney Dickman V6 belt idler assembly I have here in the house. New belts for both also.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #244, 12-18-2011 03:36 PM
      Picked up the garage a bit today. I also removed the spare tire tub . I have the fittings for the long lines up front so I can add the new ones in.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #245, 12-19-2011 07:33 PM
      Was able to get all of the old AC lines out from under the car today. I also added the Rodney Dickman alternator idler system.

Weather here is supposed to be real bad here the next few days , so might not get much done here until some warmer weather arrives.

Merry Christmas to all, from Texas.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #246, 12-30-2011 05:17 PM
      Here is what I got out of the AC lines today. The liquid is paint thinner I used to soak inside the lines.:

Dropped a small fishing weight with a line down and threw, and pulled a cleaning patch threw both lines. WAS real nasty in there




josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #247, 12-31-2011 06:06 PM
      I installed all of the long lines onto the underneath of the car today. I hate dealing with this crap. BUT,it will be nice to be able to enjoy some AC this next summer. I purchased a new DA sander yesterday so I can get some of the body work started on my off time.

I will strat on getting the engine ready to go back in tomorrow.

I have ordered a set of the rubber fasteners that hold the AC lines to the body. I went to Loew'sand got a pair, but they are just a small amount smaller, and they try to pull away from the chassis.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #248, 01-01-2012 04:25 PM
      Beautiful Texas day here today. Would have been a great day for a Fiero ride around Lake Livingston.

I worked out in the garage for a while. Torque converter bolts, and starter put back on the engine. Exhaust crossover pipe added back on. New bolts and springs for the crossover to exhaust pipe. Transmission to engine bracket installed. AC bolts and fasteners, '0' rings located and ready for installation. I need to put the crossover pipe heat shields to be finished with the exhaust.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #249, 01-08-2012 03:23 PM
      Added 2.5 oz PAG to the AC compressor.Added the AC compressor and it's lines to the engine. Tightened the manifold bolt to 25 lbs. Tightened the alternator belt and have it ready to go back in the car.

I was able to get the cradle back in the car this morning.
Under we go:


And all 4 corner bolts installed. Sitting on jack stands in the rear:


I will start reconnecting things tomorrow after work.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #250, 01-10-2012 09:50 PM
      Just ordered new struts and front shocks for my 88. Struts will be easy to install before I add the CV shafts and brakes to the car. Gabriel shock were on close out at RockAuto for <$10.00 each.

ThatFieroKid MSG #251, 01-10-2012 10:29 PM
      Just a friendly bump to let you know people are still watching this thread.

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #252, 01-11-2012 09:53 AM
      So no updates until you get the rear struts? Hopefully you are taking advantage of the weather today on other things, as they are sending cold weather down tomorrow. When I get started on my 4.9L project, I may kidnap you for a couple of days. (I'm sure Cathy could use the break). OH BTW, the guy that bought my Yellow Formula is thinking about selling it.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #253, 01-14-2012 05:46 PM
      Today I was able to get some things hooked back up. Passenger side coolant hoses, and fuel hoses. Throttle cable and transmission throttle pressure cable. C500.

I mounted my AC manifold and put 5/8 heater hose on it with 3/8 fuel hose for the small hose. I was able to route it a little bit better and cut them to the length I wanted before taking it to Houston Monday. I will have new rubber AC hose put on and crimped.

I will connect all of the driver side hoses and run the wiring back threw the firewall tomorrow.

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #254, 01-14-2012 05:55 PM
      keep chuggin, Joe

Houston????


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #255, 01-14-2012 06:01 PM
      We are planning on being in Houston next Saturday at the BBQ around 11:30am. You coming ? I do not think I will be in my 88. Struts will not even be here until sometime Monday.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #256, 01-15-2012 01:54 PM
      I installed two new front shocks. I fed the C203 , ECM and ALDL wires threw the firewall. Sprained my right wrist. Thats all for today. Connected all the vacuum lines.

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ThatFieroKid MSG #257, 01-15-2012 05:16 PM
      Oh no! Is your wrist going to be alright?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #258, 01-15-2012 05:18 PM
      Yeh, I'll be fine.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #259, 01-15-2012 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

So no updates until you get the rear struts? Hopefully you are taking advantage of the weather today on other things, as they are sending cold weather down tomorrow. When I get started on my 4.9L project, I may kidnap you for a couple of days. (I'm sure Cathy could use the break). OH BTW, the guy that bought my Yellow Formula is thinking about selling it.


Steve I missed your posting. Sorry. I wish I could afford the yelow car, but for now I am 'CAR POOR'. I will be happy to get my 88 on the road again one day this week.

Struts are supposed to be here tomorrow. FedEx makes it here after 4pm every time they deliver here. Must be the last stop for them before heading back to Bryan. I will remove the two old ones and have them ready to switch out befor FedEx arrives.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #260, 01-16-2012 05:55 PM
      I had these made for me today. $41.29 by Dixie AC repair in Houston, Tx I got to watch them make um up while he was working.
http://www.dixieautoair.com/




josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #261, 01-18-2012 05:15 PM
      After work today I replaced one strut. I had an old Harbor Freight spring compressor set I had around 20 years now. I had never had to use it until today. It had several mud dobbers nest inside the sealed box. How in the heck do they get in there?

I have the passenger side strut off of the car and ready to go after work tomorrow.

Tech Tip: Use some white out to mark the spring to the seats and top piece before dis-assembly.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #262, 01-22-2012 06:58 PM
      Today I was able to get both CV shafts mounted, and the AC lines that go between the compressor and the junction behind the drivers seat. Added the heat shield there. Caliper on the drivers side mounted up and ready to go. I am gonna have to replace the passenger side caliper. I need to remove the red bridge for it before I mount my rebuilt one.

I got my 88 brake parts box in the mail yesterday. Purchased a whole flat rate box for $35.00 shipped. I now have 16 spare 88 slider boots. I have the parts to rebuild two fronts and will offer them up in the mall.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #263, 01-23-2012 09:32 PM
      Got off of work late today. I painted the bridge for the passenger side rear caliper. Installed 4 slider boots and both sliders on the caliper. I had to drive to Livingston to get some slider pin greese. Guy at the parts house closest to me thought I was joking about brake greese. He didn't have a clue what I was asking for. Right rear brakes back on the car tomorrow.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #264, 01-24-2012 07:39 PM
      I had to go to Wal Mart for my work after shift today. I was able to get my right rear caliper on the car before it got to late. I want to have this back on the road before the weekend ends

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #265, 01-26-2012 05:23 PM
      I was able to connect the parking brake lever to the new right rear caliper. Added the brake hose. I removed the AC hose heat shield, and added some heat insulation. Replaced the heat shield. Repaired a damaged transmission line. New pads added to the caliper.

More to come.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #266, 01-28-2012 03:10 PM
      Today I added a new hose for the heater return. Mine had a hole in it. Joined the chassis transmission lines to the transmission coolant lines. Installed the parking brake adjuster, and adjusted same.

I used a level to adjust the camber on the two rear wheels. Made the center of the rears the same height as the center on the fronts. Weight of the car must be resting on the rear control arms. Give the car a few bounces.



Used as carpenter level to make the brake rotors a vertical as possible.

And:


If you do this, don't forget to make sure your brake splash shield is not dragging on your rotor.

Tighten it all down to spec's.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #267, 01-28-2012 03:25 PM
      double post

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #268, 01-29-2012 05:20 PM
      A little of the ' Fiero Two Step' today. Got the new rear caliper bled. Speed bleeders are a wonderful thing.

Went to make sure the torque on the two knuckle bolts were right. One of the two lower camber adjustment bolts snapped off. New Raybestos ones on the way.
I will continue after work tomorrow with the few remaining items I need to finish. Waiting on the new camber bolt.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #269, 01-30-2012 05:21 PM
      Connected the throttle cable and transmission kick down cable. Retainer clip on the nub. Connected all the vacuum lines and dropped in the battery. It started with the first turn of the key. Only ran it 2-3 seconds as I haven't added the transmission fluid or coolant yet.

Waiting on the bolt!!!!!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #270, 02-06-2012 05:25 PM
      Today I hooked my scanner to the ALDL. Not connected it says. I checked the ground at "A" on the ALDL, all was well there. I will need to check the plug in connector as the SES light is working correctly in the dash.

Connected my transmission shift cable to the transmission. Installed the strain relief for the FI harness on the firewall. Got the wiring harness away from the exhaust system. Installed the new cam adjustment bolt and reset the camber. All looks sweet back there now. I have one fluid leak where the transmission cooler lines and the two long lines attach together. I will fix that and put the car back on the ground tomorrow.

Seem that one has to plug in the correct scanner cable to the scanner. The cable for my 2005 Malibu was plugged in. The cable for the OBDI was plugged into the ALDL, but not to my scanner. It was all in the passenger side seat.

Senior Moment # 7,000,002

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #271, 02-07-2012 07:58 PM
      I was able to stop the transmission coolant line leak today. I put the rear wheels back on the car and dropped it back to the ground. Coolant added, and 4.5 quarts of transmission fluid added. The water got hot before I was able to get the thermostat back in the housing. I closed it off and went for a nice 30 mile drive. I will know tomorrow if my transmission leak is fixed.

I never got into open loop. The coolant was running about 158*. I was getting a DTC for idle speed. I am thinking that it was caused by not having the air intake tube installed, and no thermostat.

My heater is working good!!!!!

More tomorrow.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #272, 02-08-2012 07:06 PM
      Nice 50 mile ride today after work, I was able to get the thermostat back in the engine. Car runs great. I didn't see any fluid drops on the clean garage floor today. I will take another look at it tomorrow after I get back home.

No codes today. I never did get into open loop.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #273, 02-11-2012 07:54 PM
      Took the car for a real nice 165 mile trip today around Lake Livingston. Beautiful Texas day here.

I am still getting a clunking sound from up front somewhere. Sounds like a worn out dog bone sorta. I have replaced the two front shocks. The car rides pretty darned good with the new shocks and new rear struts I installed. I can stand in the front with the hood up and bounce the car. I can not get the car to 'clunk' this way. I am gonna take the car to a shop Monday after work. We are gonna put it on an alignment machine and let him take a look at the front suspension parts.

No transmission fluid on my garage floor.

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Mickey_Moose (edmontonfieros@shaw.ca) MSG #274, 02-12-2012 09:00 AM
     

...now come do mine.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #275, 02-12-2012 09:23 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:



...now come do mine.


I always wanted to take a trip up North. Put it on a dolly and come on down. We'll 'Get er Done'.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #276, 02-12-2012 07:28 PM
      Took the car for a short ride today. My wife was driving her 2005 Malibu in front, and I was behind. We got up to 55 MPH, 60MPH, and lastly 70. My speedometer was dead on with hers. My tach is off according to the chart on Ogre's cave. The RPM on my scanner is a few hundred RPM less than my dash tach.

I took off kinda hard one time today. It broke the tires loose. NEET!!!!!!!


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #277, 02-13-2012 09:32 AM
      YAY!

Have you considered upgarding to a 4.9L?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #278, 02-13-2012 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

YAY!

Have you considered upgarding to a 4.9L?





That went to me.

Looking good Joe, glad you finally got your Fiero going again.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #279, 02-13-2012 03:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

YAY!

Have you considered upgarding to a 4.9L?





Upgarding ????????

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Rick 88 MSG #280, 02-13-2012 05:06 PM
      You'll like the 3.4. Glad it is on the road again.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #281, 02-13-2012 06:43 PM
      I am very happy to get it back on the road. Maybe 250 miles since last week. I am quite pleased with the 3.4 so far. Seams to have lots of Pep. It rained all day here, so I didn't take it to the alignment shop to try and locate the 'clunking' in the front. Didn't want the guy to be working underneath a car driven in the cold rain. Maybe tomorrow?

I wanty to flush the coolant out this week end and get teh antifreeze back in the car. I have Peak System Flush in there right now.

I got Page 8 !!!!!!!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #282, 02-14-2012 04:13 PM
      Was able to get the car on the alignment rack this afternoon after work. Both lower ball joints are bad. The uppers were still good. Go Figure!!! I think I remember the uppers as being attached with bolts instead of rivets.

$100.00 from Rodney Dickman. He sells the good ones. I don't want the 'Made in China' crap.

.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #283, 02-14-2012 07:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:


Upgarding ????????




Hey, don't knock the 4.9, just make sure you replace the expensive oil pump and a few other things before you install it.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #284, 02-18-2012 11:12 AM
      I have the ball joints here now, and a new ball joint press from AutoZone. The temperature outside is 49* with rain. I just don't want to get out in it. Maybe this afternoon! if the temperature gets over 55. I am off work until Tuesday.

Finally got warm enough to go out in the garage, 56*. I got the car raised and the front wheels off of the hubs. Upper Ball joints were originals from the factory.
I will replace the lowers first thing in the morning. Remove the upper ball joints while waiting on new ones to arrive some time next week. Don't think I will be driving to the Fiero meet in Houston next week.

Got my two upper ball joints ordered from RD

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #285, 02-19-2012 04:08 PM
      Beautiful Texas day here. Sun is out and the temperature is 68*.

I removed both front hubs this morning.


Upper ball joint removed:


Lower removed:


Lower installed:



Little bit of the old' Fiero Two Step' this morning. While removing the caliper on the driver side I found brake fluid around where the banjo bolt goes onto the caliper. I will check the torque and add two new copper washers there when replacing.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #286, 02-24-2012 10:57 PM
      Upper ball joints arrived from Rodney Dickman today. Will install them tomorrow.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #287, 02-25-2012 07:27 PM
      Busy day today. I installed the uppers ball joints and replaced the knuckles. Greased the 4 new ball joints.

After installing the calipers back on the rotors, I replaced the two copper washers on the left front brake hose. It was wet. Torqued to spec. I will check on it after some miles are driven.

Removed the one small starter bolt and loosened the long bolt. I added a 1/32" starter shim. Nice quiet engagement now.

Added the 'A' pillar trim to the drivers side door frame. I have been knocking hide off of the top of my bald head there.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #288, 02-26-2012 11:12 PM
      I drove to Florida July,2009 to bring this 88 coupe home. Today is the first time since then that the car is ready to go for a drive. Nothing needs to be finished, or any parts ordered to finish some repair.

It starts easy, has plenty of pep. A pretty darned good ride without any clunks from bumps in the road. Throwing no codes. Good smooth idle. No leaks underneath. I will still need to finish the 3 hours of driving before I flush the coolant system cleaner out and add the 50/50 green coolant.

Dare I say it? I have run out of things needing to be done to my Fiero.

Not including a good paint job and body work.

Run out of things to do to it!!!!!!

What a I gonna do with myself?


ThatFieroKid MSG #289, 02-26-2012 11:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

I drove to Florida July,2009 to bring this 88 coupe home. Today is the first time since then that the car is ready to go for a drive. Nothing needs to be finished, or any parts ordered to finish some repair.

It starts easy, has plenty of pep. A pretty darned good ride without any clunks from bumps in the road. Throwing no codes. Good smooth idle. No leaks underneath. I will still need to finish the 3 hours of driving before I flush the coolant system cleaner out and add the 50/50 green coolant.

Dare I say it? I have run out of things needing to be done to my Fiero.

Not including a good paint job and body work.

Run out of things to do to it!!!!!!

What a I gonna do with myself?


Whoops, meant to say I'm glad you're finished!

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fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #290, 02-27-2012 10:46 AM
      I'll bring my F355 Spider to you, and you can install my 4.9L. You know what they say about idle hands!
Could go fishing more often, now.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #291, 03-09-2012 09:11 PM
      I have been doing a bit of body work on the car trying to get it ready for primer and paint. The weather has been bad the last few days here, so no progress. I used Vette Panel Adhesive to fill some bad spots on the deck lid and front roof section. All spots sanded out nice. I need a nice day to get some primer on the work I have done.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #292, 03-21-2012 07:20 PM
      Got a package form FieroSails in the mail Monday.


I had sanded the sail panel frames for a repaint. I am gonna do the frames with a gloss black. I have seen a set done with the gloss black and was pretty happy with the way they looked.

Rain has curtailed any body work for a few days here. I have an extra day off Friday and hope to be able to get some work done out in the shop.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #293, 03-22-2012 05:28 PM
      Here is today's progress. Rear section and both quarters removed for sanding and primer coat. Also have a 87-88 passenger side front fender to sand and prime tomorrow.

and


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #294, 03-24-2012 03:36 PM
      Drove to Houston this morning to a Pick N Pull yard to get me some 4T60 mounting brackets to install me a 4T60E. I located a 89 Cadillac Fleetwood with the 4T60 in the first 3 minuets of searching. A 97 LeSabre was parked next to it. So I located the three electrical connectors needed to shift the 4T60E.

Parts were $17.00. I spent $32.00 on gas, round trip.

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ThatFieroKid MSG #295, 03-24-2012 08:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Drove to Houston this morning to a Pick N Pull yard to get me some 4T60 mounting brackets to install me a 4T60E. I located a 89 Cadillac Fleetwood with the 4T60 in the first 3 minuets of searching. A 97 LeSabre was parked next to it. So I located the three electrical connectors needed to shift the 4T60E.

Parts were $17.00. I spent $32.00 on gas, round trip.



Nice!


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #296, 03-24-2012 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Drove to Houston this morning to a Pick N Pull yard to get me some 4T60 mounting brackets to install me a 4T60E. I located a 89 Cadillac Fleetwood with the 4T60 in the first 3 minuets of searching. A 97 LeSabre was parked next to it. So I located the three electrical connectors needed to shift the 4T60E.

Parts were $17.00. I spent $32.00 on gas, round trip.



Joe....It is about time you get that thing on the road before you tear it apart again....I am hoping to see it as the SA show....Looking good though......


How did you install the LBJs?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #297, 03-25-2012 09:12 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Joe....It is about time you get that thing on the road before you tear it apart again....I am hoping to see it as the SA show....Looking good though......


How did you install the LBJs?


I will not be dropping the 125C until I have everything here and ready to install the OD unit. I will have some 125C CV shafts for your 4T65 installs.

I removed the knuckle, and put a jack stand underneath the control arm about an inch away from the LBJ. A 3LB hammer will knock them out in about three hits. Mine did not have a tack weld. I used the Autozone BJ tool to press in my LBJ's. Isn't fun, but works. Tops were originals, and just had to remove the rivets. Rodney's upper BJ's came with new bolts to replace the rivets.

I am gonna have to remove my steering rack and recenter my pinion onto the rack . I have very little left turn, and more right turn than I need. I will order the new inner and outer tie rods from Rondey Dickman Wednesday or Thursday. I will need a full left turn driving the Kerrville Kruze.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #298, 03-26-2012 08:16 PM
      Ordered a full tie rod set for my 88 from Rodney Dickman. I am gonna replace these parts while I reposition the rack and pinion. I have very little left turn, and a full turn to the right. Not good enough for the Three Sisters in Kerrville.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #299, 03-31-2012 04:27 PM
      All my Rodney Dickman front steering parts came yesterday afternoon.

Todays progress:

Forward roof section:

Rear roof section with DA sander work finished:

Rear roof section:

Deck lid primed and ready for top coat:

Pieces awaiting primer 1st thing in the morning:


Hoping to get top coat on tomorrow. I'll post new photos if top coat is sprayed on.

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Rick 88 MSG #300, 03-31-2012 05:09 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

All my Rodney Dickman front steering parts came yesterday afternoon.

Todays progress:

Forward roof section:

Rear roof section with DA sander work finished:

Rear roof section:

Deck lid primed and ready for top coat:

Pieces awaiting primer 1st thing in the morning:


Hoping to get top coat on tomorrow. I'll post new photos if top coat is sprayed on.



How did you remove the forward roof section without damage?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #301, 03-31-2012 07:47 PM
      Poe and I removed it last year about this time. VERY carefully. It has been hanging in my garage since then. I am changing from a sunroof to a non sunroof. I was tired of the wind noise and a sunburned bald spot on top.

Rick 88 MSG #302, 03-31-2012 07:55 PM
      I am considering doing the same thing. How did you cut thru the adhesive?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #303, 03-31-2012 08:08 PM
      I have been told that it is easier to remove a Sunroof top than the non sunroof top. Tbone here has a thread on removing and swapping the roof out with another member. It is pretty good. I purchased a few used butter knives from a resale shop. As I was able to saw threw the butal, I slipped paint stir sticks underneath to seep it from re sticking
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...120111-2-109675.html

I got this from Poe 6-28-11. It was hanging there until yesterday afternoon.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #304, 04-01-2012 12:51 PM
      Buff primer going on:


Primer work finished:

more pictures after Top coat. Primer needs to cure 2 hours before a lite sanding with some 600.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #305, 04-01-2012 06:23 PM
      Top coated:

and

front roof section:

Last one:


Got some orange peal on the rear roof section I will have to sand out and polish. Looks pretty danged good!!!!!!!!!!


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #306, 04-01-2012 07:12 PM
     
 
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josef644:I drove to Florida July,2009 to bring this 88 coupe home. Today is the first time since then that the car is ready to go for a drive. Nothing needs to be finished, or any parts ordered to finish some repair.

It starts easy, has plenty of pep. A pretty darned good ride without any clunks from bumps in the road. Throwing no codes. Good smooth idle. No leaks underneath. I will still need to finish the 3 hours of driving before I flush the coolant system cleaner out and add the 50/50 green coolant.

Dare I say it? I have run out of things needing to be done to my Fiero.

Not including a good paint job and body work.

Run out of things to do to it!!!!!!...


Do you have working A/C?

It going to be another record setting summer in Texas.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #307, 04-01-2012 08:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 30+mpg:


Do you have working A/C?

It going to be another record setting summer in Texas.


I had a new hose set made, and have installed a rebuilt 4 Seasons compressor. I need to pull a vacuum and see if it will hold before installing a new accumulator and adding my 134A. So , maybe, I am hoping I have a good working AC system.

I haven't started that as I am thinking of adding a 4T60 or a 4T60E to the drive train, and don;t want to waste the refrigerant.

Just sort of drifting along untill I get all the body work finished.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #308, 04-02-2012 05:46 PM
      New paint is a pure white, not like the 23 year old door skin next to it.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #309, 04-03-2012 05:09 PM
      Removed both front fenders after work today. Humidity is around 90%. Nasty in my garage , even with the two fans on!! Enough for today.

Gonna start on removing the drivers door skin tomorrorw after work. Something done every day.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #310, 04-07-2012 01:09 PM
      I removed the door skins yesterday morning. I was able to mount the rear section of the car and add the deck lid. Added a decal:


Mounted the front roof section this AM. I am gonna try to get the headliner in today. I need to run a wire for my auto dimming mirror before I put in the headliner board.

Wire installed and head liner board put back in the car. I will add the interior mouldings tomorrow AM. I have to do some mowing tomorrow, so I won't be able to get very much finished.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #311, 04-20-2012 10:51 AM
      Haven't been doing much, as it is already hot in my garage when I get home from work around 3:00pm. It has been very windy on the weekends, hence to windy to try to spray. Windy with rain forecast for tomorrow. Sunday morning is supposed to be a nice day. I did these this morning Masked off the back part, and silver on just the lug part. One coat of clear over the silver:


I'll add a picture of them on the wheel this afternoon.

Here is a shot of them added to the car:


Replaced chassis part of the upper passenger side door hinge. Easy to do with the front fenders off the car.
Before:

After:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #312, 04-22-2012 09:24 PM
      Met Tom Slick in Corsicana, Texas today for a 88 Formula style front fascia. In great shape. Mine on the car was full of holes, and a few rips. Thanks Tom.

Picked up a new door hinge pin while in Huntsville today. All I needed was the retainer clip, but the new shiny pin will look nice.
-Joe

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #313, 04-22-2012 09:35 PM
      What in the hell happened to that door hinge?? It looks completely out of place, it looks like it was in salt water for 25 years or something.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #314, 04-22-2012 09:52 PM
      I haven't a clue. None of the car was like that except it.

I got a set of real nice beechwood armrests in the mail yesterday too. Here they are on my saddle color inside door panels:


New fascia:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #315, 04-24-2012 07:55 PM
      Got me a new 3M SUPERBUFF III. Expensive little buffing pad. $39.00 local.

Planning on getting some work done tomorrow after work. I have the one BO-BO to sand out and rebuff.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #316, 04-27-2012 08:22 PM
      I buffed out the bad spot on my rear roof section, above the gas cap part. Not perfect, but better than before. Added the driver side sail panel. I will add the interior 'B' pillar moulding tomorrow AM.Got all the metallic red paint off of the passenger side front fender. Hoping to have the door skins and front fenders all in primer by tomorrow noon ish. Weather will be the factor. The wind has been blowing hard the past two weekends.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #317, 04-28-2012 12:25 PM
      All went pretty smooth this morning. Got a good two coats of primer on all four pieces. They are out on the top of my GMC baking in the Texas sunshine. I will bring them in the garage after 6:00pm. They will get a small abrading with a gray 3M pad. might go get me some 800 wet or dry. A second wash with a mild hand soap, and good to go. Top coating tomorrow unless the wind gets back up to 20 MPH again.

I don't know what is going on with my camera. It will not take pictures in the bright sunshine.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #318, 04-29-2012 11:49 AM
      I painted the four pieces I primed yesterday. I had runs on the driver side door panel, and will have to sand them out in a few days, and re-shoot it. I had no runs at all on the other three pieces.
Left front fender:

Door skins in the Texas sunshine for baking:

Both fenders:


I was worried about the wind yesterday. It was almost completely still this morning.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #319, 04-30-2012 05:08 PM
      This ones about ready to go back on the car:


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #320, 05-01-2012 09:34 PM
      Got off of work late today. Not much done. I removed the upper hinge pin, and replaced it with a new pin that had the little retainer clip intact. This is the pin I repalced:

Added the black trim moulding to the rear of the door handle. Installed the lock mounting plate and a new outside door handle.

I am ready to put the passenger side door skin back on the car. Maybe tomorrow after work.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #321, 05-04-2012 07:45 PM
      Sanded out the runs on the driver door skin. I will paint it first thing in the morning. I had installed the passenger door skin on my car. I had to remove it to replace the little retainer clip on the locks arm. I wasn't able to get it on the arm while mounted on the door frame. The heat is crazy out there this evening.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #322, 05-05-2012 10:15 AM
      Driver side door is painted. I will let it cure until Monday to add the decal and door handle.

Humidity is a killer in my garage already this morning. I'll put up a picture later in the afternoon of the door skin. Finished for the day.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #323, 05-06-2012 10:18 AM
      Got this on E Bay last night. NOS .I plan on replacing the Fiero emblem on the nose with this if it turns out to be the right size. Was made for a 1982 J2000:


The studs on the rear:


Drivers door from yesterday:


I installed teh passenger side door skin, and front fender back on the car. Looks pretty good!!!!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #324, 05-07-2012 05:08 PM
      Drivers door skin got it's decal after work today. A new door handle and the small trim piece tomorrow. Maybe back on the door tomorrow, depending on the weather after work.


Rick 88 MSG #325, 05-07-2012 06:22 PM
      Looking good. What kind of paint are you using?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #326, 05-07-2012 08:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rick 88:

Looking good. What kind of paint are you using?


Single stage Kirker Acrylic Urethane. I got it threw WWW.AutoBodyToolMart.com I used their Perfect Prime two part primer. Easy to sand, and has great filler properties. I found it necessary to use a cap full of reducer with one cup of mixed paint to stop orange peal. I had to buff some of the first pieces I painted. But after the reducer arrived, I am shooting good smooth top coat with a $40.00 Harbor Freight HVLP paint gun.

Direct link
http://www.autobodytoolmart...el-paints-c-895.aspx


Rick 88 MSG #327, 05-08-2012 11:26 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:


Single stage Kirker Acrylic Urethane. I got it threw WWW.AutoBodyToolMart.com I used their Perfect Prime two part primer. Easy to sand, and has great filler properties. I found it necessary to use a cap full of reducer with one cup of mixed paint to stop orange peal. I had to buff some of the first pieces I painted. But after the reducer arrived, I am shooting good smooth top coat with a $40.00 Harbor Freight HVLP paint gun.

Direct link
http://www.autobodytoolmart...el-paints-c-895.aspx



Thanks for the info. The single stage paint appears very glossy. I am reluctant to respray my car using clear coat because of what the sun here does to the clear. Being acrylic urethane, I imagine the paint will be very durable and chip resistant. Did you have to use a flex agent with the plastic panels?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #328, 05-08-2012 03:21 PM
      I don't remember who told me that it wasn't needed when using this type of enamel.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #329, 05-09-2012 07:25 PM
      Door and front fender added today. I am gonna have to remove the door moulding and adjust the front edge where it is straight with the fender moulding. Door skin needs to come up around 1/8".


Also added the little silver GM square emblems:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #330, 05-13-2012 11:39 AM
      Painted the outside mirrors housings and the engine vent grates gloss black this morning. I will put the glass parts back in the housings tomorrow, and put them back on the doors. One day out in the Texas sunshine for a good drying. They came out pretty darn good

I'll put up a picture later today.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #331, 05-14-2012 05:27 PM
      I dropped one of the mirror housings yesterday and ruined the paint job. Sanded and re painted it after work today.

I hooked up my vacuum pump to the AC and attempted to pull a vacuum. No deal. I remembered later that I had added the new under car AC lines, and did not replace one O ring. Removed the line and sure enough, no O ring there. I will replace it and try it again tomorrow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #332, 05-16-2012 06:52 AM
      I was able to get the drivers side door put back together yesterday including re aligning the door skin. Looks real nice when I was finished. I installed the right side out side mirror before knocking off for the day. Gonna finish up the passengers side door tomorow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #333, 05-16-2012 09:16 PM
      Finished my passenger side door after work today. Gonna start on the AC system tomorrow.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #334, 05-17-2012 07:19 PM
      I have a leak still. I am gonna get involved with trying to locate a leak here pretty quickly

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #335, 05-18-2012 02:43 PM
      Sanded both rocker panels, drip rails and engine vent screen thingy. I also did the windshield wiper cover. All pieces primed. I will hit all pieces with a 3M gray scuff pad after around 3-4 hours of sitting out in the Texas sun. All will get 2 good coats of gloss black tomorrow morning before the heat arrives.

I was looking for problems with my AC system and found loose connections where the hoses thread onto the gage set, and the 134A connectors connect to the hoses. All tightened down and a nice vacuum pulling down in the garage right now. I'll check it in an hour.

When I moved my 88 out of the garage to prime the parts it was the first time I had ever driven the car with a complete interior. It was a lot quieter than I had been used to .

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #336, 05-19-2012 11:02 AM
      Busy morning here. I scuffed the rocker panels, and the other small parts I primed yesterday. Washed all with 'JOY' dish soap and water. Painted all pieces gloss black.

All pieces out in the Texas sun baking until 5pm. Back on the car tomorrow.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #337, 05-20-2012 12:05 PM
      Added the drip moldings to the forward roof section. Buffed out both quarter panels so I wouldn't get any thing on the newly painted rockers.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #338, 05-25-2012 05:00 PM
      Added the driver side rocker panel on the car after work today. It was 99 in teh garage. One was all I wanted to mess with. Humidity is around 90%. One added and I was soaking wet with sweat. I am gonna do the passenger side tomorrow AM. Add the tail lights back on the car also so we can take a little ride with the interior all intact. . Might be able to see how quiet is is with the windows all up.

It looks sweet in the garage wit the rockers back on!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #339, 05-26-2012 09:23 PM
      I got up early and put the right side rocker back on the car, I assembled the right side tail light , and started to install it. Noticed that the black paint was pretty thin Decided to repaint the blacked out parts on both rear tail lights. Back on the car tomorrow AM.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #340, 05-27-2012 10:27 AM
      Installed and polished the two tail lights this morning. The 3M polishing kit for doing headlights works great on tail lights also.

Before:

After

And

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Marine1981 MSG #341, 05-29-2012 04:56 PM
      Wow Joe, finally finished this thread. The car looks great and you have me thinking of a 3.4 for one of my cars. Whenever I get a garage I will probably pick your brain on how you did some of this stuff.

Ben


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #342, 05-29-2012 05:25 PM
      Ben I located a box about the right size today for your 120 Speedometer. I will take it to the post office tomorrow.

I am pretty happy with the 3.4. I am thinking about a 4T60 overdrive for an over the winter project. I am turning 3000 rpm at 70 MPH. Our Malibu is only running around 1800 rpm for the same speed. I think you will be happy with the 3.4.
Joe


Marine1981 MSG #343, 05-29-2012 05:52 PM
      I plan to swap the engine and trans out at the same time. I think a 3.4 would be good for Becca's car because she likes the look of the stock 2.8 and was fine with the power her auto had. I figure a 3.4 and newer auto trans would work will for her 84.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #344, 05-29-2012 06:22 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

I plan to swap the engine and trans out at the same time. I think a 3.4 would be good for Becca's car because she likes the look of the stock 2.8 and was fine with the power her auto had. I figure a 3.4 and newer auto trans would work will for her 84.


Best that you locate a parts car for the swap. One you can keep near. You can't remember how stuff was installed or indexed until it is crunch time. You will discover a thousand things and fasteners you need when you get to installing it back in the car. Poe has been my best friend for the last year and a half. Take lot and lots pictures of everything before you remove them.

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Marine1981 MSG #345, 05-29-2012 10:39 PM
      Not sure if I can afford or store a whole parts car. Who knows, maybe when I get around to it I will be able to.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #346, 06-02-2012 09:29 PM
      I put the side marker lights back on teh car this morning. I am gonna go for a nice ride tomorrow AM before I start removing the rack to replace all four tie rods.

Not gonna get much done this week as I have the grandchildren here until next weekend.

As it sits today:


I'll take a good picture of it outside the garage tomorrowr.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #347, 06-10-2012 12:24 PM
      Took me a nice 50 mile ride around Lake Livingston today. Car runs great. No AC yet


Marine1981 MSG #348, 06-10-2012 02:46 PM
      Looking good Joe, can't wait to see it at the next meeting we go to!

30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #349, 06-10-2012 04:05 PM
      Tip: Add some oil with dye in it to the AC system and a use UV flashlight to find leaks.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #350, 06-10-2012 04:33 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 30+mpg:

Tip: Add some oil with dye in it to the AC system and a use UV flashlight to find leaks.


This is on my 'To Do' list. I have a friend who does this for a living. I am gonna take it to him and let him put in the UV dye. I purchased me a good 51 bulb UV flashlight for $13.00 at Amazon.com.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #351, 06-10-2012 07:25 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looking good Joe, can't wait to see it at the next meeting we go to!


Ben, PM sent


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #352, 06-14-2012 04:23 PM
      I ordered me a new 3 row Champion radiator today after work.

I am not sure the factory cooling system is 100 % right now. I did notice the cooling temperature was running around 208 * Sunday while cruising. This was my first time to drive it with the complete interior in the car. Ambient temperature was around 96-97* I had never driven the car with it this hot outside.

I'll post a picture of the new radiator when it gets here one day next week.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #353, 06-16-2012 11:21 AM
      I was up early and got the rac removed from the car. I will start on replacing the parts tomorrow AM .

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #354, 06-17-2012 04:28 PM
      Installed the new inner and outer tie rods from Rodney Dickman. I will install it back onto the car Tuesday morning. We are off of work for June Tenth celebrations.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #355, 06-20-2012 07:17 PM
      Got this off of the FedEx truck today


Prettiest radiator I have ever seen! Well packaged.


Marine1981 MSG #356, 06-21-2012 11:39 AM
      That ought to help with cooling. I like shinny parts

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #357, 06-21-2012 07:41 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

That ought to help with cooling. I like shinny parts


Here is the engine vent grill I finished up thanks to you and MstangBware. Painted in Gloss Black:

Back on the car.

Gonna try to get the steering rack back on the car Saturday morning. Supposed to be 102* here both days this weekend.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #358, 06-30-2012 10:34 AM
      I was up at 7:00 am on my day off. I installed the rack back in the car. It was sweat city outside by 9:00 am. I am at a good point to stop for today and will re attach all the tie rods and such tomorrow morning at 7.

When I got home from work yesterday it was 110* in the garage. To hot to try to get anything done week days.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #359, 07-04-2012 11:39 AM
      I haven't done any work on the Coupe this week. I torqued and lubed the outer tie rods this morning, and put both front wheels back on the car. I will try to get the front end aligned this week.

I will change the oil and filter for the 500 mile after engine overhaul Saturday morning. I am gonna replace one AC seal where the hoses connect to the two long lines behind the drivers seat while I have it up in the air for the oil change.


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #360, 07-04-2012 02:59 PM
      For a good seal, use Nylog on the O-rings.

http://www.ackits.com/c/Nyl...ing+Lubrication.html


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #361, 07-04-2012 07:03 PM
      When I was looking to see if it would hold a vacuum, it would only pull down to around -22 inches. When I turned off the pump and shut down its line, the 20 inches would only last for 5-6 minuets.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #362, 07-07-2012 01:24 PM
      I changed the oil and filter this morning. After that I removed the AC hoses where they connect to the long lines behind the driver's seat area. I installed two new 'O' ring seals there. The two I removed looked just fine to me. I don't think this was the leak. I replaces the hoses with new 'O' rings. I need to install the heat shield back onto the car and put the car back on the ground tomorrow morning.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #363, 07-08-2012 12:48 PM
      Got a lot of little things done this morning. Windshield wiper arms back on the car, Heat shields replaced. Painted ten of the black plastic lug nut covers silver for the two front wheels. All wheels back on the ground. Brake line retainer strap put back on the car. I had removed it to get the steering rack out for rebuild. Poured the old engine oil unto the jug the new oil came in.

Alignment shop tomorrow AM.


Marine1981 MSG #364, 07-09-2012 12:26 AM
      Making progress!! Can't wait to see it in person.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #365, 07-09-2012 05:02 PM
      I got in the car this morning and was headed to the alignment shop. The car was squirrely as heck. I stopped, parked and locked it up. I called a friend of mine who is a good as gold type of mechanic. He explained to me the toe in was giving me fits. One wheel would be going straight, and the other pointed in towards the center line of the car. After work today I drove it the last 3 miles to the front end shop. Once there the tech said the same thing. The drivers side tire was doing some singing at times. When I went over a wet spot in the road, all was quiet again. The car will be aligned tomorrow while I am at work.

My fingers are crossed.


1988holleyformula MSG #366, 07-09-2012 05:11 PM
      Just read through this thread while passing time at work today. Good stuff in here! :

 
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Originally posted by josef644:

My fingers are crossed.


And hopefully your wheels won't be anymore!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #367, 07-09-2012 05:14 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

Just read through this thread while passing time at work today. Good stuff in here! :


And hopefully your wheels won't be anymore!


Ya got that right!!!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #368, 07-11-2012 07:21 PM
      I was able to get the Coupe out of the alignment shop yesterday after work. It handled pretty nice. It was raining, and I only drove it about 4 miles to my house. I will take it for a nice ride after all of this rain stops. I am hoping to take it to Houston this weekend for the Fiero meet , if it is still being held.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #369, 07-12-2012 10:08 PM
      I was able to spend some time in the garage working on my windshield wipers. The switch is bad. I am able to get it to work jumping across the wiring. The lever will only make it work if it is held against 'HI' until you release it. It then finishes the cycle it was in and stops. These new switch are expensive!!! Like $80.00 expensive. I am gonna install me a temporary switch for the wipers and washer pump motor tomorrow. I'll look for a two position rocker switch, and a push button for the washer part.

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Marine1981 MSG #370, 07-13-2012 12:27 AM
      Joe, I may be able to get you one of those but not sure. I will let you know.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #371, 07-13-2012 07:44 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Joe, I may be able to get you one of those but not sure. I will let you know.


I have a tilt wheel and pulse wipers. I am thinking that the non tilt wheel is differrent. They are listed as tilt, and non tilt on the data bases of the parts houses.


Marine1981 MSG #372, 07-13-2012 11:01 AM
      Well I will bring what I have and if you can use it it's yours. It won't take up that much room on the ride.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #373, 07-13-2012 08:29 PM
      Bob Hughes is gonna be there tomorrow. I got an E mail from him while I was at work today. He has a nice hood that is only about a 30 min drive from my house here. My hood is trashed.

You need anything? Parts etc?

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Marine1981 MSG #374, 07-13-2012 08:38 PM
      Not that I can think of at the moment. Maybe an 84 wiring harness. Mind it pretty crispy.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #375, 07-14-2012 07:53 PM
      Went to Dickey's Bar B Que in Houston at around 11:30 am. Ben and Becca, Robert Hughes, Cathy, and I were there for about hour and half. Real nice food there today.

Scored me a hood support mechanism, and a windshield wiper switch from Ben.

Back on the car tomorrow am.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #376, 07-15-2012 08:37 PM
      I made me a temporary windshield wiper/washer switch today out of a blank plate where the electric trunk release goes. My windshield wiper switch is dead. I used an old wiper switch wiring connector so it just plugs in to the chassis part of the wiring. No permanent damage to my wiring. I have three switches. Lo, Hi and Washer Pump.


Marine1981 MSG #377, 07-16-2012 01:44 AM
      That's one way to adapt and overcome lol. Did that pump end up working? I believe it was working but the tank was cracked so I replaced it and didn't need the pump.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #378, 07-16-2012 07:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

That's one way to adapt and overcome lol. Did that pump end up working? I believe it was working but the tank was cracked so I replaced it and didn't need the pump.


The pump was deceased. The switch you gave me does not have washer wires. But it worked good as a wiper. I am not wanting to tear into the top of a tilt steering column.


Marine1981 MSG #379, 07-16-2012 12:39 PM
      Well I tried, at least you put them to good use. Maybe you can take that pump apart and see if you can figure out how those springs go?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #380, 07-19-2012 05:35 PM
      I put The Fiero Store's front windshield moulding on the car a few days ago and forgot to post a pic. It was a perfect fit. I used 3M trim adhesive to attach it in the windshield channel.

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Marine1981 MSG #381, 07-19-2012 11:40 PM
      Looks good Joe. Are you painting it black??

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #382, 07-20-2012 07:35 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looks good Joe. Are you painting it black??


Black front half of the roof, the rest is white.


TXGOOD MSG #383, 07-20-2012 08:31 AM
      That looks really good Joe.
I like White notchies.


Marine1981 MSG #384, 07-20-2012 10:34 AM
      Looks good, kind of ties the black sail panel in a little more.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #385, 07-20-2012 04:03 PM
      I saw one painted with the black front top when I was first infected by the dreaded 'Fiero-Car-vo' virus back in 2009. White 87-88 coupes are my favorites.



30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #386, 07-21-2012 10:56 PM
      Put in some dye and charge the A/C system.
Use the UV light to find the leak.
If you are concerned about the cost of the charge, I like to keep it low & cool w/ R290.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #387, 07-25-2012 06:14 PM
      I got the two fascias finished, and ready to go back on the car this weekend.
front

rear

Pontiac Arrow Head Emblem instead of the Fiero crest


FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #388, 07-25-2012 08:18 PM
      Looking good! Want to paint my Indy next?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #389, 07-25-2012 09:25 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FieroMaster88:

Looking good! Want to paint my Indy next?


I forgot to add that I hate painting



Marine1981 MSG #390, 07-26-2012 12:13 PM
      Congrats on the move to TCZ!! Paint is looking really good.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #391, 07-26-2012 07:54 PM
      When I posted the pictures yesterday I was in General Fiero Chat. I got moved sometime today I guess.

Paul Mckibben, (Fiero Sails), sent me a new 'C' for my 'PONTIAC' windshield decal. It was in today's mail. I put it on the glass this afternoon.


I ordered an in line filter for my AC system. This was all I was waiting on the start getting the AC up and running. I will have two grandchildren here all of next week so not much of anything will be completed. I will get the UV dye into the system after the kids are back home.

I added 4 of these onto my center caps. $10.00 off of E Bay.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #392, 07-27-2012 06:04 PM
      I went out in the garage after work today and put the rear fascia back on the car. Looks great. I also added a new PONTIAC thingy to the rear of the fascia once I had it all fastened down to the body.

I removed the windshield washer pump from my S-15 GMC with it's wiring connector, and added it to my washer tank. Soldered and used heat shrink on the wires before covering it with black Duct Tape. I will find some wire wrap in the garage tomorrow to cover it all up nice and pretty.
Water now squirts over the roof of the car on the drivers side. I have an unused squirter I robbed off of a junk Fiero that I will try it out tomorrow.

My inline AC filter is on the way here. I got the tracking numbers today. I can install my wiper arms back on the car tomorrow.

I'll add a picture of the rear end of the car after I get the tail light back in tomorrow.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #393, 07-28-2012 09:53 AM
      Rear end today.

I need to get teh hood off of the car and add the new Champion radiator i got a few weeks ago.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #394, 07-31-2012 07:05 PM
      My inline filter arrived for my AC system. I am hoping to be able to get this on the car this weekend. The radiator also.

Marine1981 MSG #395, 08-01-2012 01:49 PM
      Less talking more working Joe!! Car is looking good, can't wait to see it in person.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #396, 08-01-2012 04:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

I added 4 of these onto my center caps. $10.00 off of E Bay.




Do they have more? I need two, to cover the hole in sale panel I need to make one day. Car looks nice.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #397, 08-02-2012 04:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Do they have more? I need two, to cover the hole in sale panel I need to make one day. Car looks nice.


Here is a link to the seller. He makes them any size you want , and any color background you want.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-P...&hash=item3f1a0e39ab

Paul Mckibben added my picture of his decal to his website. The picture is on a different page so it is a huge image:



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #398, 08-04-2012 12:20 PM
      Here is the old orifice tube out of my 88. This is 'Black Death'. I have ordered a new condenser. I will have to remove the evaporator and flush it out before I contaminate the new compressor I installed.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #399, 08-05-2012 01:45 PM
      Got the hood off of my car this morning. So hot outside. Now I can take out the 23 year old radiator, front fascia and the old condenser.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #400, 08-09-2012 06:18 PM
      I got my tracking numbers for my condenser today. I'll have it here Monday.

Still trying to locate a nice hood.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #401, 08-10-2012 08:00 PM
      Got my new condenser today off of the UPS truck. Made in the USA. Don't see much of that anymore.
Here is what a new one looks like. I bought this from jimmyS at WWW.fierofiberglass.com They are on the miscellaneous page


Removed my AC fan so I can remove the evaporator for flushing. I also removed the fan speed resister. It was caked up with leaves. I will vacuum out the AC parts after I remove the evaporator front part tomorrow or Sunday morning.
I

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #402, 08-12-2012 12:40 PM
      Removed the radiator and condenser this morning. It was unmolested under neath there.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #403, 08-18-2012 01:36 PM
      I removed my evaporator to flush it out. As I was pulling the cover out a ways I found this:

Pulled out a bit more:

And the cover all the way off the car, about 33% blockage:

Nice and clean:


In-line filter added to the fluid line. I am gonna try to get the condenser and radiator back in the car tomorrow morning.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #404, 08-18-2012 04:09 PM
      We had a small rain storm, maybe 10 minutes of rain. So I went out to the garage and used the break in the heat. I did the modifications to the upper radiator support to make it fit around my new three core Champion.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #405, 08-22-2012 04:21 PM
      I mounted the condenser, and connected all of the under hood AC lines. New 'O' rings on all of those connections. I will add in the old accumulator with new 'O' rings and see if it will hold a vacuum. If not I am gonna have the AC repair shop accross the street from my work come over and use dry nitrogen to help locate the leak. I'll have the car on 10" blocks all the way around so I can scoot underneath looking for the evil gremlin.

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #406, 08-22-2012 08:32 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

I mounted the condenser, and connected all of the under hood AC lines. New 'O' rings on all of those connections. I will add in the old accumulator with new 'O' rings and see if it will hold a vacuum. If not I am gonna have the AC repair shop accross the strreet from my work come over and use dry nitrogen to locate the leak. I'll have the car on 10" blocks all the way around so I can scoot underneath looking for the evil gremlin.


I gota loose weight I would need like 38" blocks.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #407, 08-22-2012 09:21 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by F355spider:


I gota loose weight I would need like 38" blocks.


Me too! The AC tech across the street is a skinny dude though.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #408, 08-24-2012 07:04 PM
      I tightened all AC line connections down this afternoon, and added on the vacuum pump. I let it run for half an hour and closed off the pump hose, and turned it off. 10 minuets later I had dropped to 25 inches of vacuum from just over 28 inches. I am good to go tomorrow. I will add the rest of the under hood items and install my new accumulator. Shoot some good old cold juice into the system.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #409, 08-25-2012 11:16 AM
      Radiator installed, top radiator bracket repainted and installed. All AC wiring harness wires and metal brackets installed. Radiator side pieces installed. Metal mount bracket for the front fascia cleaned and painted.

We are having a short rain shower, so I went back out and removed the drivers side inside door panel. Replaced it with a beechwood one I purchased in the mall here a while back. Rain is gone, so I now have steam in the garage!!!!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #410, 08-25-2012 07:42 PM
      After installing the new Champion radiator I found the mounting holes for the rubber top piece had the holes blocked for the small push in plastic retainers. I will have to figure out another method of securing it. I mounted the fan in it's spot. There is interferance at the driver side hose. I will just trim some of the plastic away.

Shot of the new radiator:

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zefferk MSG #411, 09-01-2012 12:48 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Haven't done much this week as I am back working again. It was 109* in the garage when I got home at 2:20 pm. Average daily temperature is supposed to got down about 10-12 points over the next week. AT LAST.

I did have this made from a guy on E bay for $8.00:


I am planning on getting the wheels back on and the car back on the ground this weekend. Then everything can be finished with out standing on a ladder.

Hey Joe,

Just getting a chance to go through your whole build when I saw this error on your ebay made sticker...in the fuel area it says that it is a 1984Fiero Formula....

Seeing as there wasn't a 2.8 V6 available, nor a formula in 1984, I'm not sure how the maker missed this. It clearly says 1988 above on the model name above. You should ask for a re-do!

Nice build by the way. I am envious of your skills.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #412, 09-01-2012 07:16 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by zefferk:

Hey Joe,

Just getting a chance to go through your whole build when I saw this error on your ebay made sticker...in the fuel area it says that it is a 1984Fiero Formula....

Seeing as there wasn't a 2.8 V6 available, nor a formula in 1984, I'm not sure how the maker missed this. It clearly says 1988 above on the model name above. You should ask for a re-do!

Nice build by the way. I am envious of your skills.



My car started life as a 2.5 5 speed car. It is a Formula clone. I also prefered an automatic, so I converted it over.



I didn't see the '1984' when I did the proof read. It isn't a real big deal. It was just a fun thing I thought would be neat to put on my dash . AD3 Sun roof delete, and 663 Leather Beechwood are bogus ones that I added.

Hinz Pontiac was a Pontiac dealer in Dallas when I was a youngster growing up. I don't know if they are still in business or not.

I put my fresh painted front fascia on the car this morning. Looks great!!!!!


I over tightened the two transmission line fittings where they thread into the SOFT aluminum. I will call Champion Radiator Tuesday to see what it will cost me to get this fixed. Thought about using some JB weld to put two brass adapters on the tank so I can get this back on the road. Might just have to install my factory radiator back in the hole until I get this fixed.
-Joe

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #413, 09-03-2012 03:00 PM
      Got some things finished up this morning. Made me a 1/2 size foor for the trunk. I added a layer of insulation over the top piece of stainless I found in a junk pile. It got pretty darned hot quickly this morn. I'll put the carpet in after it cools off a bit one day this week.

and mounted the Pontiac Arrowhead on the front fascia:


Marine1981 MSG #414, 09-05-2012 04:21 PM
      Sure is coming together Joe. Looks good.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #415, 09-05-2012 07:54 PM
      Well it is supposed to be real plesant here this weekend. So I am hoping to be able to get quite a bit more things finished up here so I can refill the coolant systtem. After it is doing it's job. I am gonna start on adding in the 134A to the AC system. I have been waiting on getting this part finished for a long, long, long time.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #416, 09-05-2012 08:16 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Sure is coming together Joe. Looks good.


Ben I am about finished with it. A good working AC, and a hood painted white are the last items needing compleation.

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Marine1981 MSG #417, 09-05-2012 11:22 PM
      Well if you want to drive down to Austin for a shake down cruise let me know!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #418, 09-09-2012 01:15 PM
      I installed the air dam and the stiffener for the front fascia this morning. I also added the passenger side inner door panel. I removed the tan one, and replaced it with an original beechwood one.
side by side shot of the two togeather:


Marine1981 MSG #419, 09-15-2012 01:07 PM
      Come on Joe, I know you haven't been being lazy. Where is the progress?!?!?!?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #420, 09-16-2012 01:02 PM
     

Testing the PIP


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #421, 09-16-2012 01:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Come on Joe, I know you haven't been being lazy. Where is the progress?!?!?!?


I got the new radiator Friday, but am having some problems the threads where the transmission line connect. I will be installing it in it's spot later today. I have grandchildren here until later today.
The flux from the welding process was in the threads:


One cleaned before the grand children arrived

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Marine1981 MSG #422, 09-17-2012 11:40 AM
      Hope it wasn't too hard to clean out those threads. Nice looking Radiator!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #423, 09-17-2012 04:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Hope it wasn't too hard to clean out those threads. Nice looking Radiator!!


I just got off of the telephone with Champion Radiator. They are gonna pay for FedEx to take this one back to them in California, then send me a new replacement.

I sent them these pictures. It seems that they are not to happy with this one either. The white crunchy stuff is also inside the cooling part for the transmission fluid. In the second picture you can see the 'Crunch' inside the part that looks like a well in the bottom.



I am gonna put my Fiero radiator back in the car after work tomorrow, so I can proceed finishing up other things while I am waiting for the new one.

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Marine1981 MSG #424, 09-19-2012 12:50 PM
      That speaks well of the company that they are willing to fix the mistake. Hope it arrives in a timely manner too!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #425, 09-19-2012 03:35 PM
      Saying one thing over the phone, and correcting the problem are entirely different things. It ain't over till the Fat Lady sings, or until I have a new usable radiator here. I am hopeful though.
-Joe

Went out in the garage and removed the car from the 10X10 blocks. Added water to the coolant system. Battery was low. I am gonna let it charge back up for a while. I want to go for a spin later this afternoon. Car has been on the blocks since around the first of August. Looks good on the ground.

Just took it for a nice 30 mile run. This is the first time I have driven it since the front end being aligned, except for driving it home in a heavy rain on July 10th. The car runs like a top.


I put the hood back on the car this morning before cleaning out the garage

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #426, 09-23-2012 01:00 PM
      Added the new accumulator and the correct amount of oil. I have the vacuum pump running now. I have my fingers crossed for a good and cold AC system.

Sucked the first can down right quick. At about half the second can of 134a I had a 'smoke' coming up from the high side connection. I had cold 'smoke' around the connection. I shut it down and removed the hose and gauge set. This was underneath the car:


I didn't think to see if the coupler was the problem, or the high side retrofit adapter. I am gonna go back out later and try it again. Compressor was coming on, and cycling off again. It was starting to blow some 'cooler' air threw the vents.

Wasted a can of 134a to see exactly where the leak was coming from:

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #427, 09-24-2012 09:43 AM
      Almost there. Has to be good to drive it after sitting.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #428, 09-24-2012 07:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Almost there. Has to be good to drive it after sitting.


It is a blast to drive it with the few extra HP that the 3.4 brings to the car.


Marine1981 MSG #429, 09-25-2012 12:07 AM
      Can't wait to see it at the Ruckus!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #430, 09-26-2012 10:46 PM
      I drove mt 88 to Galveston Island today for a shakedown trip. While there I had 32 oz of 134a installed in the car today about 330pm. I was in heaven with the cold air. About 800pm the happy juice had leaked out enough that I just turned the AC off. I had 35* coming out the center vent for about 45 minuets. Had to turn the fan down.
Oh crap. I will look for the UV dye tomorrow after work.

On a happy note the car runs great and I was getting about 23-24 MPG on the trip.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #431, 09-28-2012 09:07 PM
      Went out into the garage and raised the rear of the car. I found where the leak is, just don't know what exactly is leaking. It is wet fluorescent green all over the rear of the compressor there. I will raise the front tomorrow so I can get underneath all the way and clean off the dye with some brake cleaner. Then I can find out where it is squirting from.


My replacement radiator from Champion Cooling in California will be here Monday.

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Marine1981 MSG #432, 09-29-2012 12:24 AM
      Possibly a bad O Ring on the lines bolted to the back of the compressor??

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #433, 09-29-2012 08:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Possibly a bad O Ring on the lines bolted to the back of the compressor??


I hope it is that easy!!!!. There are two pressure switches back there with an 'O' rings. To replace one of those, I would have to remove the compressor.

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #434, 09-29-2012 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Possibly a bad O Ring on the lines bolted to the back of the compressor??


Are you are using the green O=Rings? Do not use the black ones.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #435, 09-29-2012 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Are you are using the green O=Rings? Do not use the black ones.


I used the green ones.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #436, 09-29-2012 05:07 PM
      Looks like I had two different leaks. One was, I am ashamed to say, where the hoses attached to the rear of the compressor. It was very loose.


One of the two aluminum lines that thread onto the condenser had a small leak:

. Both were tightened back down. I added a lock washer to the bolt that holds the hoses on to the compressor. Vacuumed down for an hour, It has held it's vacuum for 3 hours now.


I have the car up on 10 inch blocks and don't have a way to go get some more 134a. Wife is outta town until tomorrow night. It is raining hard out side, and I don't have a way to get to the part house for two more cans of cold juice.

I also removed the inner drivers door panel. I had purchased a replacement mirror in the mall. I was the same type as my old outside housing. I had painted both door mirrors gloss black earlier in the year. I installed the new cable and mirror into my painted housing. All back on the door.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #437, 09-30-2012 11:07 AM
      Went out in the garage a few minuets ago. The low side gauge shows that I have kept 29inches of vacuum overnight. I was surprised to see that. 19 hours ago I locked down the low side and turned off the vacuum pump.

I put one can of 134a in the system and started it up. I found wet dye drip coming off of the bottom of the AC muffler of the hoses. I am gonna let the car cool down, then get back underneath with a mirror to try and locate the source.

Removed the manifold hose set from the rear of the compressor and installed two new seals. Vacuum pump running now. I have two cans of 134a here to put back in for a pressure test.

Two cans in the system I will purchase another can tomorrow. Cycling switch is still kicking it on and off, but not as often as it was with only one can in. I climbed underneath the car to see if there was any dye on the back of the compressor. I cleaned it pretty good when I had the manifold off. All looked good. No new florescent dye.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #438, 10-01-2012 08:21 PM
      My new radiator arrived today. It appears to have been inspected and is in excellent condition. Might try to get it on the car one evening this week.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #439, 10-03-2012 07:29 PM
      Went out to get in the car to go to work this morning. Noticed that there was 'soot' on the rear fascia behind the rear tire. Other side was the same way. I have driven around 600 miles since I put the newly painted front and rear fascia back on the car. It came off easily onto my hand. I took it to the local alignment shop. He is gonna check the rear toe again tomorrow. Sounds like a good way to ruin a good set of tires.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #440, 10-06-2012 12:45 PM
      Wired my self dimming mirror yesterday after work. This morning I installed the new 3 row Champion Cooling radiator.

Filled it with coolant and went on a nice 25 mile run to mix the water and green antifreeze. I will add the fan back on in the am. I stumped my toe and pealed back the toe nail. Fixing to go to the ER for a bit of repair work.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #441, 10-07-2012 06:41 PM
      Looks like I got page 12.

I was able to get a lot of little things done today. Added new holes for the second fastener for the engine grills. Put the spare tire tub back in it's spot. Added the spare tire and jack . Installed the windshield washer tank. Used caulking to close off the air leak around the evaporator lines.

We are gonna take the car to the Red River Ruckus in Fredericksburg next weekend.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #442, 10-09-2012 07:58 PM
      I put the hood back on the car this afternoon after work. Added one can of 134A. It lasted about a hour, until the on and off cyceling started back up again. After Ruckus I am gonna have the system filled with dry nitrogen to help me locate the leak. I can't see anything dripping or wet from the dye in the system.

I am just about finished working on the car until Fredericksburg Ruckus is over with. I will remove the console to see what is up with my lighter socket being dead. Fuse is fine.

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Marine1981 MSG #443, 10-10-2012 02:30 PM
      Hope it's ready to be put through it's paces at RRR!!!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #444, 10-10-2012 07:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Hope it's ready to be put through it's paces at RRR!!!


Me too Ben. We will be leaving here around 7-8 am Friday morning. Yahoo maps says it is 260 miles from home here.

I found that the ground wire was unplugged from the lighter socket. I am thinking about making the two wires a bit longer, and fasten the lighter socket to the black trim face plate. The mounts on the console have pretty well had it. Easy fix.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #445, 10-11-2012 05:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

I am thinking about making the two wires a bit longer, and fasten the lighter socket to the black trim face plate. The mounts on the console have pretty well had it. Easy fix.



Done Deal. We now have power for the cell phones. I moved teh ALDL to behind the passenger seat. I can now watch my scanner with out removing the black plastic cover.

We good to go here. I am gonna wash the car off around 7pm after it cools dow just a bit.


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #446, 10-15-2012 10:42 AM
      Hey Joe... I did not get to visit with you and Mrs Cathy very much at Ruckus.

I wanted to ask if the white car had a good weekend at Ruckus?
We certainly gave her a good workout and I wanted to know if you found any problems that you need looking at?

I must say it looked very good in person and warmed my heart to see y'all driving it!



Marine1981 MSG #447, 10-15-2012 04:25 PM
      Well I can vouch that it drove great! Joe let me take it for a little spin yesterday morning. It was a little strange driving an auto but it drove great!!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #448, 10-15-2012 04:46 PM
      I am afraid to do any boasting about the car. Don't want to jinx it!!!!!! But we had zero problems of any kind. We had to go to Houston when we got home, and after returning home at 11:00pm I had 917 miles since heading west Friday morning. I drove it to work this morning!!

I want to say I am real pleased with the Champion 3 core radiator. The engine runs 192* with the AC on or off, hot or cold outside, up hill or down. Doesn't seam to matter what the conditions are when driving. Every one with a 23 year old radiator should consider this upgrade.

88 Brakes are a big improvement over pre 88's.

I am always happy to be with everyone at the Ruckus, Spring Fling, or what ever Fiero event we all meet up at.

See you guys next time, soon we hope.

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MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #449, 10-16-2012 12:51 AM
      Car is looking good Joe...I like the paint scheme you have going one with it...



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #450, 10-17-2012 04:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Car is looking good Joe...I like the paint scheme you have going one with it...


I remember talking to you about the two tone roof quite a while back. I used gloss black to repaint any black items on the car.

I am pretty happy with the car. I averaged 24 mpg over the weekend. Zero problems of any type.

I ordered screws and fasteners to put the two rear wheel well liners back in their spots. I'll get those back in as soon as the fasteners arrive here.

I have nothing to repair, replace, or fix except for a hood. I didn't think I would ever say that. I don't know what to do with my spare time now!!!!!

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #451, 10-22-2012 06:38 PM
      I received the fastenerrs in the mail over the weekend. I remeoved both rear wheels and replaced the liners in their correct spots. All fasteners in the correct spots.

I don't have anything left to fix!!!!!!!


Reallybig MSG #452, 10-22-2012 09:06 PM
      Sounds like it's time to sell her and buy another one to work on!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #453, 10-27-2012 09:07 PM
      Went to Dallas this morning to have lunch with the NTFC bunch. Drove it 80 mph from Huntsville, Tx to Ennis, Tx, about 160 miles, with out a hitch. Same on the way home. Still getting about 23 mpg. Right at 400 mile round trip.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #454, 11-01-2012 04:03 PM
      Here ya go. It came yesterdsay afternoon. Two days from Austin to my house. Can't get no better than this. Install was less than 10 minuets.




josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #455, 11-04-2012 10:26 AM
      When we got back home from Ruckus all items in the trunk were quite warm. My 86 coupe with the duke never got hot in the trunk, The exhaust manifold was between the engine and the passenger compartment. My 3.4 has an exhaust manifold less than a foot from the forward part of the trunk. I ordered a piece of insulation on E Bay that was 1/2" thick with the aluminum backing. Supposed to be good for 1200*. It was a 24" by 48" piece for about $22.00. Here is a link to the sellers store:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/nda...rksid=p2047675.l2562
I removed the liner and used spray adhesive to attach the insulation. If you do this be sure and cut the holes for the large gray liner fasteners BEFORE you install it in the trunk. I have driven the car to work with this installed. About a 25 min trip. Trunk was not hot at all after the install. Cool to the touch still.


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Marine1981 MSG #456, 11-08-2012 12:16 AM
      Might need to invest in that for my car...

kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #457, 11-08-2012 12:59 PM
      Nice idea. Will your trunk liner still fit?

Ken



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #458, 11-13-2012 09:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Might need to invest in that for my car...


Ben The forward metal was very hot before I added in this insulation. Now it is just a small amount of warm. You wouldn't want to put a chocolate candy bar back there. Not as hot as a seat with the windows up on a hot Texas day.

 
quote
Originally posted by kennn:

Nice idea. Will your trunk liner still fit?

Ken



Sorry I didn't see your question until tonight. I had removed the lower portion of the trunk for the exhaust system for my 4.9 swap I had i this car before I built and installed this 3.4. I installed a bottom piece of metal over the missing section. I trimmed the remaining piece of the trunk liner to fit . After removing it and adding the insulation, it was a bit tight, but still went into place.

I have purchased just about everything that I need to swap in a 4T60 overdrive transmission. I have the correct governor cap, both CV shafts, shift cable bracket with arm, and the correct 4T60 mount brackets. I need to start looking for a low mileage transmission now. I am thinking about doing this some time this winter. After Christmas I'm thinking.

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Marine1981 MSG #459, 11-13-2012 11:19 PM
      Hey Joe, Mike Good might have a lead on one of those transmissions for you. Give him a call and see. If you want I can pick it up and store it until you can pick it up or I go to Houston.

Ben


VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #460, 11-14-2012 12:17 PM
      Very nice!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #461, 11-15-2012 06:57 PM
      I changed the oil for the first time since the 500 mile change was done. It had used about 1/4 quart.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #462, 11-24-2012 04:58 PM
      I have driven my 88 522 miles this Thanksgiving weekend. No problems of any kind. Averaged 25 mpg. I purchased a MV303 at Autozone for my 4T60 swap project I am gonna try to do in January. This is the smaller size vacuum modulator needed to clear the V6 crossover coolant pipe.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #463, 12-02-2012 12:34 PM
      Drove my 88 to Austin, Tx for the Bat City Fiero club meeting. Had a lot of fun, great food, and met some new Fiero owners.

I developed a miss on the way home. My tach started jumping around a bit when the miss was present. When I got home I unplugged the tach filter. After jumping the two wires back togeather, in the harness part of the plug, I went for a 20 mile ride. The miss was gone, but I still had a few 'jumps' on the tack needle. Maybe 10 in the whole 20 mile run.

The engine will run without the jumper, but the tach is dead without it.

I ordered a new tach filter from Rodney Dickman.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #464, 12-03-2012 07:54 PM
      My miss and erratic tach jumps were back with me this morning. Unplugged the TCC to make sure it wasn't acting up. This had no effect on the miss.

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Marine1981 MSG #465, 12-05-2012 12:47 PM
      Hey Joe, thanks for coming out to the meet. It was good seeing you guys. Hopefully you can nail down the problem fairly easily.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #466, 12-07-2012 10:00 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Hey Joe, thanks for coming out to the meet. It was good seeing you guys. Hopefully you can nail down the problem fairly easily.


We had a great time Ben. I wish I could say I fixed my gremlin, but can't. My new RD tach filter arrived today in the mail. I am waiting on a new set of AC Delco spark plug wires to get here. I am planning on putting them on the car Sunday morning. Then a quick check ride.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #467, 12-16-2012 07:11 PM
      Yesterday morning I removed all spark plugs and plug wires. What a pisser of a job !!!!!!!!! The forward bank is nasty to do. Just plain nasty. I found # 5 plug just finger tight in the head. My bad. All 6 plugs looked nice and clean. I removed the mounting bracket from the old coil and added my new AC Delco coil. I removed my pretty red MSD distributor cap and found the button end in the top of the cap was half missing. Rotor was degraded also. Only 5000 miles on these. The piece of a sticker from the top of the ICM was loose inside the distributor, and floating around.

I went and got me a new AC Delco cap and rotor in Huntsville, Texas. Installed my new Rodney Dickman tach filter. I installed the AC Delco ICM that MustangsBware gave me last year. All is back togeather. Took her for a nice 22 mile run. Miss is gone and the tack needle is nice and smooth again.

I took pictures with my cell phone, but can't get the SYNC to work tonight. I'll post them later.
The rotor an 3 plugs:


Top inside of the cap:


Running pretty good today. Filled it it with High Test gas at the local Shell station.

Found a spot of oil underneath the car. I could not see where it was coming from as it had oil all over creation around the harmonic balancer. I need a car of carb cleaner to remove the excess before I can see the source.

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Marine1981 MSG #468, 12-17-2012 10:08 AM
      Glad she is running better Joe. Good luck chasing down the oil leak.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #469, 12-17-2012 07:02 PM
      40 miles to work and back. Purrs like a kitten

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #470, 12-23-2012 09:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Glad she is running better Joe. Good luck chasing down the oil leak.


It's the timing cover seal. This is gonna be fun. I put a new Fel-Pro seal in it when I built the engine 5K back. I guess China is making Fel-Pro seals now.


Marine1981 MSG #471, 12-29-2012 01:56 PM
      Get the leak fixed yet Joe?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #472, 12-29-2012 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Get the leak fixed yet Joe?


Ben I am gonne replace the seal when I have the engine out for installing a 4T60 some time before March. The leak is not so bad as to dead line the car. I am gonna go to Cleveland, Tx for dinner this afternoon in it.


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #473, 12-31-2012 11:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

I am gonna go to Cleveland, Tx for dinner this afternoon in it.


Who'd be fool enough to live in that god forsaken place?....


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #474, 12-31-2012 04:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:


Who'd be fool enough to live in that god forsaken place?....


Don, AKA 'MaryJane'



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #475, 01-02-2013 03:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Don, AKA 'MaryJane'


i know... that was kinda the joke... Internet humor... oh well!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #476, 01-02-2013 07:18 PM
      Sorry Blake. Guess it went right over the top.

Ordered a pair of door hinges to stop the sagging and rattle of the passenger side door.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #477, 01-05-2013 11:02 AM
      Very nice car you are building. I actually got to see the cup holder mod that is in your car in Ben and Bec's car. Yes he let me take it to Wally world. Very nice mod. Did you use the champion radiator that is made for the Fiero or another part number?
thanks,


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #478, 01-05-2013 12:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Very nice car you are building. I actually got to see the cup holder mod that is in your car in Ben and Bec's car. Yes he let me take it to Wally world. Very nice mod. Did you use the champion radiator that is made for the Fiero or another part number?
thanks,


I used a Champion radiator that is made for the Fiero. That and the cup holder are items that are money well spent.

Lower door hinge came this morning in the mail.

I have located a 4T60 with 71K miles. A one owner car. I verified this information with Carfax.
It's a 3.33 drive ratio




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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #479, 01-07-2013 07:41 PM
      Got my 4T60 home this afternoon.








hercimer01 MSG #480, 01-10-2013 02:16 AM
      Nice!
I got the connectors mailed out Monday.
I did a Formula a few years ago 3.4PR with a 4T60.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/091761.html
Have fun!



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #481, 01-11-2013 06:42 PM
      Used around a gallon of diesel cleaning the transmission after work today. I ordered new seals and gaskets for the two pans. Ordered a new two prong normally open 3rd gear switch. Pricey, $23.00.

I'll put up 'clean' picture sometime tomorrrow.

Page 13, neat!!!

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katatak MSG #482, 01-11-2013 11:48 PM
      Hey Joe!

Just got caught up on this thread. What a nice car it has turned out to be. That's a lot of work you have done. Hope all is well with you and yours. I'm back in the Fiero game - just picked up an 87 T Top with a Duke/Auto. The duke is coming out for a 3800SC. After spending the last hour or so reading your thread, I am inspired.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #483, 01-12-2013 10:23 AM
      Good to hear from you Pat. We were hoping that you would make it to Ruckus last year.

I am quite pleased with my Fiero. Looks good, and runs like a top. I am unhappy with the 3300 RPM at 70 MPH. Hoping this 4T60 will get my fuel mileage up to around 30mpg.

Were you able to get the Duke to run?

Cleaned up a bit.




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hercimer01 MSG #484, 01-15-2013 11:28 PM
      These are the axles I used on my Formula for the 4T60. I looked I didn't see if you've covered that already.
The rebuilt NAPA p/n 95-9178 and 95-9208 axles. From 89 pont 6000 w/ light duty brakes.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #485, 01-16-2013 04:06 PM
      I purchased these from RockAuto a few months back.


Got these delivered today. Gaskets and seals:



I used the 3rd geat pressure switch from the Fiero Store for the 125C. It is the correct one to use.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #486, 01-22-2013 07:30 PM
      Got the rest of my parts to replace the filter 3rd gear switch, and seals on the 4T60. I will use these one day this week after work.

Took it for a 40 minuet ride. SWEET!!!!!!

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hercimer01 MSG #487, 01-23-2013 01:10 AM
      Are you gonna rebuild the trans yourself?

I had my buddy do mine, he put in stronger springs for the shift solenoids and it felt solid when it shifted.

Mine got 26 to 28 MPG. that was after I put all the coolant temp switches and thermostat back to stock.
You're in Texas, are you running cooler stuff for the heat?
Mine was bought in Phoenix and built in Las Vegas. When I brought it back here to Illinois it suffered horribly. The thermostat was drilled out and switches were the coolest you could get so the computer enriched the AFR to the point where I got around 20 MPG.

At 100 MPH I was running 3 grand on the tach. That was sweet.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #488, 01-23-2013 05:33 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by hercimer01:

Are you gonna rebuild the trans yourself?

I had my buddy do mine, he put in stronger springs for the shift solenoids and it felt solid when it shifted.

Mine got 26 to 28 MPG. that was after I put all the coolant temp switches and thermostat back to stock.
You're in Texas, are you running cooler stuff for the heat?
Mine was bought in Phoenix and built in Las Vegas. When I brought it back here to Illinois it suffered horribly. The thermostat was drilled out and switches were the coolest you could get so the computer enriched the AFR to the point where I got around 20 MPG.

At 100 MPH I was running 3 grand on the tach. That was sweet.


I am gonna try it like it is right now.

Had this made today



Works like a champ.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #489, 01-27-2013 11:25 AM
      Drove to Dallas for the NTFC gathering. Went to Quitman to see my Dad since I was up that way. Got home last night at 9:00pm. Around 550 miles yesterday.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #490, 01-28-2013 05:22 PM
      I removed the side cover to access the wires and install a N. O. pressure switch for the TCC. Real clean inside there. Made me happy to see it was spotless. Removed the old gasket and grime on the outside of the pan.

Grantman (jgrantt@hotmail.com) MSG #491, 01-29-2013 08:44 AM
      Are you going to put the gasket on with some kind of sealant? RTV, The right Stuff or put on dry? Interested in your tranny install. I've got a 4T60 sitting in my garage (too cold to do much). Far as I can tell I have everything. still need to have the bracket modified that goes between the tranny and motor. I'm pulling the cover's off too to make sure it's clean inside. PO left an opening where the transmission dip stick goes in and the kick down cable on top. I'm sure some debris made it's way in there while it was sitting.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #492, 01-30-2013 08:58 PM
      I will use the gaskets that I purchased. There are 2 needed for the side pan, and one for the bottom pan. I always install a new torque converter seal, and both CV shaft seals. Cheap and easy to do while it is out of the car.

Any trash that got in threw the dipstick tube hole will be in the bottom pan, not the side pan.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #493, 01-31-2013 08:40 PM
      Removed the CV shaft seals, installed the new ones. I got a new pressure switch for third gear engagement. I am just about ready to take the 88 apart once again. I need to connect the internal wiring and replace the side pan.

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hercimer01 MSG #494, 02-02-2013 12:52 AM
      Sorry I haven't called you been super busy with work.

I put a relay in for the TCC.
But I was having problems with my third gear not shifting in my first trans. Found the rebuild shop left out an O'Ring down in the drums.
They built me a replacement trans, and it shifted into third good but would slip out if I gave it too much gas. another O'ring problem.
During all the trouble shooting I was making sure the relay wasn't the culprit, so, I disconnected it.
I finally got it to shift right after a friend of mine found the O'Ring problems.
I never did reconnect the relay and had no issues. I put about 5 to 8 thousand miles on it before I sold the car to Niterrorz. He hasn't said anything about it.

Karl Hamilton put the relay in as a safety because he said his car stalled at a stop because the TCC was kicking in. The brake pedal voltage interrupt switch should be sufficient.

I would try it first with out it. Then if you have troubles put it in. It is confusing to get the Logic correct.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #495, 02-02-2013 05:23 PM
      A shot of the new switch installed on the 3rd gear pressure port. The shinny one in just about the center of the picture:


Side cover replaced after soldering the wires to match the TH125C wiring:


I got this from fieroguru. Thought it might come in handy for someone else:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #496, 02-07-2013 05:23 PM
      We have had our house for sale since last November. We had to sign approval contracts for accepting the offer made to us this morning. Won't be switching out this transmission until we move out and find us a new place to live , and of course fix Fiero's. 4 Car garage w/ concrete floors first priority for a new place to live.!!!!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #497, 02-10-2013 09:43 AM
      I dropped the bottom pan of the transmission yesterday. Was very clean inside there. Installed a new Wix filter and gasket. I removed 2 inches off of the dipstick tube. The 'T' handle of the dip stick was broken off right at the handle. Re assembled with a new dipstick tube seal.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #498, 02-16-2013 03:05 PM
      Went out in the garage this morning and got a few things done on the 4T60. Added the adjustable vacuum modulator, the dipstick tube and a few fasteners that I hadn't used that needed to be added.

and


The folks that were trying to purchaase our house had to back out. Couldn't get financeing.

Thought about starting the install. Decided to wait until after Round Up in San Antonio in April.


Marine1981 MSG #499, 02-18-2013 11:25 AM
      Sorry the sale fell through. I like your style on what you are looking for in your New house though!! Just thought I would chime in and let you know I was still following your thread. What did your 4T60 come out of? I found a 4T60E for a cheap price but think those are harder to convert over.

Ben


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #500, 02-18-2013 02:59 PM
      Ben, mine came out of a 1990 Grand Prix w/3100 V6. Don't buy a 4T60E It requires an ECM to shift the gears. The 'E' means electrical shifted, hence the ECM.

The 4T60 was used as late as 92 or 93 maybe. 90-93's were the top of the food chain for 4T60's upgrades etc.

Go to this page and look.
http://www.gmtuners.com/transmission/index.htm

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Marine1981 MSG #501, 02-18-2013 04:39 PM
      Yeah I wasn't going to buy anything until I was sure. The trans is our of a 91 Park Avenue. I looked up the specs for it in Wikipedia and it said it was the E version so I Was going to pass on it.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #502, 02-26-2013 05:34 PM
      Hoping to get my hood back on the car tomorrow. I found one real nice in houston for $50.00 last week. I was able to get paint on the hood before the wind and rain moved in yesterday afternoon. I'll get a picture of it mounted back on teh car tomorrow.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #503, 02-26-2013 05:35 PM
      double post deleated.

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Grantman (jgrantt@hotmail.com) MSG #504, 02-26-2013 07:18 PM
      Did you happen to take anymore pictures of the wires you soldered inside the side cover to match the TH125C?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #505, 02-26-2013 07:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Grantman:

Did you happen to take anymore pictures of the wires you soldered inside the side cover to match the TH125C?


I didn't , but it was almost a duplication of the 125C wiring. I came in with wire 'A' to the TCC. Then out to the 3rd gear pressure switch, then back to position 'D' in the connector. Real easy. Heat shrink, then reapply the black plastic sheath. A local transmission shop told me to put the pressure switch between the 'out' side of the TCC and the 'D' connector.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #506, 02-27-2013 07:23 PM
      Here ya go of the hood back on the car:

and

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #507, 03-03-2013 05:33 PM
      Took this a while ago today. Has been a long time getting here to this condition.


Marine1981 MSG #508, 03-06-2013 01:03 AM
      Looks great Joe! If you find another hood in good shape let me know

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #509, 03-06-2013 04:57 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looks great Joe! If you find another hood in good shape let me know


If I run across one, I'll let you know. Poe should have everything you would need to get it back in good shape. He told me he had a few hoods at his place.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #510, 03-12-2013 08:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Thought about starting the install. Decided to wait until after Round Up in San Antonio in April.


I am glad to know this. It will be nice to have your car in driveable condition for the spring events!

speaking of... you plan on coming up for the Spring Fling?... I know it is a long haul, and made even longer by adding a full day of roads in the Texoma vacinity, but we'd love to have you!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #511, 03-12-2013 03:14 PM
      We haven't decided on it or not yet. I do want to make AER this year, and Roundup. We are in sort of a 'limbo' with the sale of our house and moving to somewhere on the west side of Houston. Just have to play it by ear for a while.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #512, 03-16-2013 07:46 PM
      Drove 300 miles today going to Galveston Island and back. Still getting around 24mpg. AC still working great. Yes indeedie!!!!!!!!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #513, 03-23-2013 08:31 PM
      My wife was out of town all week helping her brother after some surgery. I used my Coupe as a DD to work and back all week. Seems to be getting around 25 MPG. 22 miles each way, speed limit is 55 most of the way. The car is doing real well. I am really pleased with the way it runs and handles in the twisties.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #514, 04-14-2013 08:00 PM
      725 miles this weekend going to San Antonio and back. I have a oil leak somewhere around the harmonic balancer. Leaking a quart in about 350 miles. I am getting around 25 MPG.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #515, 05-11-2013 08:22 PM
      My car is locked up and stored in a friends garage for the rest of the summer since April 20,2013. The friend in is Iowa until October. She does not care for the Texas summertime. I miss driving it around some, but I would have to park it in an open parking lot out of view. I am not to happy with that.

Marine1981 MSG #516, 05-13-2013 01:38 PM
      Yeah, I don't blame you there. Make sure to go say Hi to her every couple of weeks!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #517, 08-12-2013 08:57 PM
      We have bought a home in Dickinson Texas. I was able to go and bring my Coupe home today. She is sleeping in her new bed tonight. Around a 140 mile run today. Ran like a champ.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #518, 10-11-2013 10:33 AM
      Dug the Old Girl outta the garage Sunday and took her to Galveston Island and back for a 55 mile round trip. Flawless trip,

Marine1981 MSG #519, 10-14-2013 10:21 AM
      Glad she is still running well for you Joe. Any chance you are going to make the Ruckus this weekend?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #520, 11-05-2013 12:37 PM
      We backed the Coupe out of the garage yesterday and made another trip to Galveston Island. We stopped at the Sonic and watched the beach traffic while we had some refreshments. Flawless trip. We have put on around 8000 miles to it since I got her on the road. We both have enjoyed the large and small trips in this car.

Might have a T Top set up to add to my car over the winter.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #521, 12-28-2013 10:07 AM
      I used the car this week to go to my 90 year old fathers for Christmas. 450 mile trip. Not a hitch. Getting round 25 MPG. Mostly 70 MPH driving, A few 75 MPH zones.

Marine1981 MSG #522, 01-08-2014 02:27 PM
      Hey Joe, Glad to see you getting her back on the road. Any plans for that trans swap?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #523, 01-08-2014 02:57 PM
      Ben, after the house disaster with the hot water heater, I had to sell the 4T60 . A member on this board bought it. It is in and working fine he has told me.

Be cutting the roof off for a T top install soon.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #524, 01-23-2014 07:05 PM
      Got these off of the UPS truck today. Friend in Omaha,Ne sent them to me.



Second box should be here Monday with all of the small pieces. Will post a picture when the arrive.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #525, 01-27-2014 06:54 PM
      These parts came today.


Marine1981 MSG #526, 02-07-2014 09:31 PM
      If you haven't cut the top off yet you should bring it up next weekend for the BCF meeting Joe!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #527, 02-08-2014 05:40 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

If you haven't cut the top off yet you should bring it up next weekend for the BCF meeting Joe!


Ben, wish I could. We are still paying county and MUD taxes until around April.



Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #528, 02-10-2014 06:30 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Be cutting the roof off for a T top install soon.



Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #529, 02-11-2014 03:12 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tom Slick:


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


And why not?


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #530, 02-13-2014 09:13 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:
And why not?


Your car is too nice and looks great as is.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #531, 02-15-2014 12:27 PM
      A T top install will be my last upgrade to my car. Planning on just a one weekend install. I will have everything ready to go before I even start. We are looking forward to driving up and down Galveston's seawall with the tops off. Galveston is only 19 miles away from ourt new home.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #532, 03-25-2014 02:30 PM
      I installed my new T top locks onto the glass tops today.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #533, 04-02-2014 08:23 AM
      Mustang T top weather seals came yesterday. Look very nice.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #534, 04-16-2014 01:25 PM
      These two pars came today:



Marine1981 MSG #535, 04-17-2014 12:05 PM
      Cutting it close to have it done by Round Up Joe! lol

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #536, 04-17-2014 05:43 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

Cutting it close to have it done by Round Up Joe! lol


Not gonna happen until I have all the goods ready to go. Way after Round Up. I will be painting these new parts, maybe one day next week. I still have a few parts in Nebraska before I start chopping up my 88.
-Joe


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #537, 04-22-2014 05:09 PM
      I had purchased a rebuilt passenger side door hinge bout a year ago. Miss-placed it in the move when we sold our house. I found it when I was looking for a funnel yesterday. I am gonna put it on the car next week after we get back from Round-Up. I need this right before I install the T top.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #538, 04-27-2014 03:58 PM
      Developed a bad oil leak Thursday on the way to Hillsboro. I had washed the car the day before so it was spotless. This was after a 36 mile drive.




Rewashed the rear of the car today. Used two cans of Engine Brite to clean off the leaked oil I will do the underside of the car tomorrow, then start it up and see what is spraying and leaking.


Marine1981 MSG #539, 04-27-2014 11:12 PM
      Hope it's an easy fix Joe. Thanks again for all the help you two gave us this weekend getting them straightened out.

Ben


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #540, 04-28-2014 01:49 PM
      The 3.4 uses a crankshaft sensor. I installed an rubber expansion plug to fill this hole back when I did the build 3 years ago. The hole was empty, just spewing engine oil. $3.99 to fix it with a new rubber expansion plug. I am gonna grab me a factory crankshaft sensor at a pick and pull to fill this hole the way GM did. Won't be vibrating loose and falling out again.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #541, 04-28-2014 05:06 PM
      thank goodness it was an easy fix. your permanent solution sounds like a great idea.

katatak MSG #542, 04-28-2014 09:56 PM
      Well I just spent the last hour or so catching up on this thread. Still impressed with all the work that you have in this car Joe! Once again, I am inspired to motor on. I have the 2.8 out of my newly purchased 86 to repair some broken exhaust bolts in both heads. I ordered a RD drill jig. I hope it works - but if it does not, a 3.4 / 4T60 will be the plan. I will use this thread as a guide. I may have to call on your experience to get her done. Sent you a PM regarding the rest of the T Top parts.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #543, 04-29-2014 08:35 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Well I just spent the last hour or so catching up on this thread. Still impressed with all the work that you have in this car Joe! Once again, I am inspired to motor on. I have the 2.8 out of my newly purchased 86 to repair some broken exhaust bolts in both heads. I ordered a RD drill jig. I hope it works - but if it does not, a 3.4 / 4T60 will be the plan. I will use this thread as a guide. I may have to call on your experience to get her done. Sent you a PM regarding the rest of the T Top parts.

Pat


I have never driven a 2.8 Fiero. I am impressed with the power that this 3.4 has. A 4T60 would be a good transmission for these cars. The El Paso crew did one in your shop?
Save the crankshaft sensor to fill that hole. Wish I had saved mine.


Marine1981 MSG #544, 04-29-2014 07:19 PM
      My friend Trey was going to use one of those on his 3.4. I'm going to try to talk him out of it lol

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #545, 04-29-2014 08:40 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

My friend Trey was going to use one of those on his 3.4. I'm going to try to talk him out of it lol


Good idea. I have found an 'El Cheap-o' at RockAuto for $22.00 I am gonna order to replace my rubber expansion plug.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #546, 05-06-2014 07:14 PM
      Got this today off the FeDex truck


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #547, 05-08-2014 11:10 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by josef644:

Got this today off the FeDex truck


In the engine this morning. All is well in Fiero land once again.


Marine1981 MSG #548, 05-21-2014 08:37 PM
      Glad to hear it Joe. Going to enjoy driving it for a while or dive into the T-Top swap?


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #549, 05-22-2014 11:17 AM
      I have things to do before I cut out the roof. Door hinges etc. I am hoping to do this pretty soon though.

fieroseblack (fieroseblack@yahoo.com) MSG #550, 06-02-2014 02:59 PM
      Good to see you last weekend. Enjoyed hanging out with Cathy while you and Jim worked.

Mike Parker


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #551, 06-20-2014 04:52 PM
      We drove up to Terrell, Tx, May 31st, to pick up an 87 Duke from Jim East. I have had a problem getting my PIP to upload till today. Thanks to Jim and Mike Parker for helping me load it all up.
The usual suspects:

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #552, 07-27-2014 09:16 AM
      My 134a has leaked from my AC system. I had put some UV dye in when I got the system going about 3 years back. I added one can of happy juice and it was workig pretty good. An hour later it was not cooling again. Got up this morning and went into the garage before sun up. The smaller of the two metal lines connecting to the condenser had a leak. I didn't need the UV light to see the leak spot.

I removed the front bumper cover, The lines were good and snug, but not tight. Repair done. I'll get me some Happy Cold Juice one day this week. I am gonna leave the bumper cover and hood off of the car until I can make sure all is well once again.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #553, 08-02-2014 11:29 AM
      I had removed both the hood and the front fascia to replace the 'O' rings and tighten those two connectors. Added the 134a and rechecked for leaks. All looked good ,so back on with the hood and bumper cover. Took me a 15 mile trip. AC cooled real good again.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #554, 11-21-2014 02:52 PM
      Picked these up yesterday and put them on my 88 :


Had to adjust my parking brake so I had access to the AC compressor. This is the florescent dye. The two case halfs have a leak.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #555, 01-27-2015 10:37 PM
      Found a flat on the car today. First time since I got this car in 09.

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #556, 01-27-2015 10:45 PM
      Love the plate!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #557, 07-10-2015 03:16 AM
      Still drive the car at least once every two weeks. I need to replace the AC compressor. Still zero problems with the car.

Marine1981 MSG #558, 07-10-2015 05:49 PM
      Nice to hear Joe, we missed you guys at the Round Up.

Ben


hiwil88formula (hiwil88@yahoo.com) MSG #559, 07-23-2015 01:26 PM
      selling the car? http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5135901376.html


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #560, 07-23-2015 05:50 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by hiwil88formula:

selling the car? http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5135901376.html


Put it on Craigslist yesterday. Guy is supposed to be on the way to look at it now. We all know how that goes.

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josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #561, 08-29-2015 07:39 AM
      My Fiero has a new home in the Houston area. A member here on the board is the new owner. I will leave it to him to speak up if he wants to make it known.

This was a fun build and a blast to drive.


un fiero (jlb306@yahoo.com) MSG #562, 05-02-2016 12:32 AM
      Joe's awesome build resides in the Bear Creek area (West Houston). The car has been a blast to drive. I don't go anywhere without getting thumbs ups and compliments. It has seen about 1500 miles since Joe let me bring her home, and all I've done is an oil change, sound system and drive!! Other than the chirping belt (intermittent), it has been as dependable as can be. Thanks again Joe!!!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #563, 05-02-2016 01:06 PM
      Enjoy