RBS in-Limbo (extreme makeover)
Topic started by: Car-Lo, Date: 09-25-2011 12:29 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000129.html


Car-Lo MSG #1, 09-25-2011 12:29 AM
      Packed my bags, tools and moved RBS (Ram-Bunk-Shush is her name) Build Thread down south here where it's warmer

The last few pics of RBS before being butchered up for an extreme makeover (on a budget) ...









One of the last rides of RBS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgDgIHSFyk

Stay tuned for the tear down...

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #2, 09-25-2011 12:46 AM
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ghost187x MSG #3, 09-25-2011 01:15 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by madcurl:

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #4, 09-25-2011 01:16 AM
     

John glad you finally came over to this side !

We are all dying to see this project as it develops and takes shape.


IIKool (thewhitebus@hotmail.com) MSG #5, 09-25-2011 11:18 AM
      Just what are you planing to do jeez.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #6, 09-25-2011 11:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by madcurl:

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Car-Lo MSG #7, 09-25-2011 11:46 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:
John glad you finally came over to this side !

We are all dying to see this project as it develops and takes shape.


Thanks Tony and everyone for the warm welcome, it's great to be here with the top guns

Before any latest updates I want to catch up on this thread and move some pics over here that Tony
posting on " Choptop Chronicles" , so hang on while I move the same pics in order of the build



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Car-Lo MSG #8, 09-25-2011 01:28 PM
      Before any more stripping, next changing the rear suspension...



Out with the old...



The old coilover kit (from WCF Performance) changing to 400lb 7" springs from 300lb 8" springs.
Raised rear bump stop by inverting bump stop plate and painting all parts black with KYBees painted Koni red (well, this is on budget)



It was lucky for me to get the bump steer kit for half price from a not so lucky guy who totaled this ride before installing the kit



Finally the bump steer suspension is in, Fred (my brother-in-law at 84) helping me out installing (PAINTED KYB) Koni red struts



Dog in pic: I'm baby sitting Clarence (my daughter's dog) again

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Car-Lo MSG #9, 09-25-2011 03:05 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by IIKool:

Just what are you planing to do jeez.


Thanks for asking, the overall look will be more Lambo-ish, 2" more chop from existing 2" choptop


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #10, 09-25-2011 09:28 PM
      Wow, I've always thought this was a cool car, I need to ask, With as much as your doing, wouldn't it have been easier to start fresh w/ another car rather than cutting this one up???

Joe


BlackThunderGT MSG #11, 09-25-2011 09:49 PM
      One of my favorite cars; I can't wait to see the makeover

weaselbeak (dynamic_88@hotmail.com) MSG #12, 09-25-2011 10:51 PM
      Fred's doing a great job of holding the rear end down......

Car-Lo MSG #13, 09-25-2011 11:58 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by motoracer838:

Wow, I've always thought this was a cool car, I need to ask, With as much as your doing, wouldn't it have been easier to start fresh w/ another car rather than cutting this one up???

Joe


A normal person would have started with a fresh start however I have the whole package with RBS that I can play with, ( without doing another engine swap)


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #14, 09-26-2011 12:33 AM
      How do you put a thread in your favorites, I wanna put this one in a place I can get some easy access to. BTW what did you use for door handles?

Chris

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Car-Lo MSG #15, 09-26-2011 12:55 AM
     

Clynt is taking everything apart..



I think Joe is right about starting fresh ?



Nice day for butchering





Looks great as a solid fastback



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Car-Lo MSG #16, 09-26-2011 01:06 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

How do you put a thread in your favorites, I wanna put this one in a place I can get some easy access to. BTW what did you use for door handles?

Chris



Sorry Chris, that I don't know, I' m new here ?

About the door handles, they are there just covered under scoop door ledge, I think I said that right We need help here !


infinitewill MSG #17, 09-26-2011 08:50 AM
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skuzzbomer MSG #18, 09-26-2011 09:29 AM
      Chopping the roof another 2 inches? You plan to have a back window or are you investing in some cameras?

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #19, 09-26-2011 09:44 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:
I think Joe is right about starting fresh ?



Nice day for butchering


]


Put down the sawzall and step away from the car, this is an intervention. You look like your having way too much fun. LOL I'm one to talk, see how much I cut one up here.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/086876.html

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe



ghost187x MSG #20, 09-26-2011 10:01 AM
      what you are doing is awesome
I have been lurking on wcf forum for a long time watching your build threads.
Overall, keep up the great work! I originally loved the RBS, but I love the new project you are going with. It'll be much better


Car-Lo MSG #21, 09-26-2011 10:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:


Put down the sawzall and step away from the car, this is an intervention. You look like your having way too much fun. LOL I'm one to talk, see how much I cut one up here.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/086876.html

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


WOW, Joe your project makes mine look "Mickey Mouse" next to yours, that's okay we are all having fun at our levels


Car-Lo MSG #22, 09-26-2011 10:50 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by ghost187x:

what you are doing is awesome
I have been lurking on wcf forum for a long time watching your build threads.
Overall, keep up the great work! I originally loved the RBS, but I love the new project you are going with. It'll be much better


Thank you so much, the original RBS was okay, I wanted something more exotic looking with sharper hard lines, so I stopped going that direction.



Car-Lo MSG #23, 09-26-2011 11:09 AM
      This got to be the hardest and don't want to do this ever again
Taking off front a-arms, grinding, torching, I was grinding headbolt the grinder kick up into coolant tube and sprung a leak !



Clynt torching a-arm off



Finally all a-arms are off





Car-Lo MSG #24, 09-26-2011 12:08 PM
      Yes I know hang in there, it won't be long for good fun stuff !

Sand blasting suspension parts Blair gave me





Parts painted for $18 (this is a BUDGET build)




Dickman's 1" drop ball joint, it's welded on the bottom side.







Car-Lo MSG #25, 09-26-2011 12:11 PM
      Okay, a little tease (things to come) 4" chop...

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bowrapennocks MSG #26, 09-26-2011 12:15 PM
      Your's is one of my favorite cars. Every year at the Arlington picnic I have to look and see what you have changed. Keep on going. Great work.
Jim

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Car-Lo MSG #27, 09-26-2011 12:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bowrapennocks:

Your's is one of my favorite cars. Every year at the Arlington picnic I have to look and see what you have changed. Keep on going. Gtreat work.
Jim


Thank you my good neighbor, plans are to be there 2012


bowrapennocks MSG #28, 09-26-2011 12:45 PM
      One of the design features in your car that I really like is the way you continued the curve from the side scoops up to the sail panels. It flows so well. Oh by the way I started a 4.9/F40 6sp swap in my Fiero.
Jim


Car-Lo MSG #29, 09-26-2011 01:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bowrapennocks:

One of the design features in your car that I really like is the way you continued the curve from the side scoops up to the sail panels. It flows so well. Oh by the way I started a 4.9/F40 6sp swap in my Fiero.
Jim


WOW, I really love to see your project

That design might change, we'll see how everything fits with the smaller sail panels


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #30, 09-26-2011 03:49 PM
      Thanks Infinitewill, been on this forum for a bit, never knew how to do that.

 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


WOW, I really love to see your project

That design might change, we'll see how everything fits with the smaller sail panels


Hope you don't mind, I like your design so much I wanted to steal some idea's for my chop top, the quarter windows being one of them, from the scoop, down the bottom door sil, up the door and around the window, back to the quarter, it all flows and makes a cool shape that is continuous, only to be broken up by the widebody on the on the top half of the door. But your mind sort of fills in the blanks, I like it. The other que I like is how you extended the tail light corners to make it flow more with the rest of the car and made them more angular on the sides.

I thought about somehow making a scoop on the hip part pointing down, don't know how it would be done yet, like the Gallardo:



You see that small scoop on the sides, well on the top of the hips. Works for that car atleast.

Well, this is a ways away, still have about 14 miles of wire to contend with from the engine harness, since it's my first wire harness I had ever done it's taking a bit longer than if I knew what I was doing LOL.

Keep up the good work, I'm excited to see what's next.

Chris



Car-Lo MSG #31, 09-28-2011 10:48 AM
      Inside joke !



Looks more like Joe's project, but that's where we stopped



I don't know where all this stuff came from



RBS bone yard...



Cutting off lots of fat, it's pretty thick and heavy, looks like a slab of Halibut





Removed 20lbs of fat from rear clip...

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #32, 09-28-2011 11:04 AM
      LOL, it's amazing what you can do to a Fiero w/ a sawzall.

Joe


Car-Lo MSG #33, 09-28-2011 11:28 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

Thanks Infinitewill, been on this forum for a bit, never knew how to do that.


Hope you don't mind, I like your design so much I wanted to steal some idea's for my chop top, the quarter windows being one of them, from the scoop, down the bottom door sil, up the door and around the window, back to the quarter, it all flows and makes a cool shape that is continuous, only to be broken up by the widebody on the on the top half of the door. But your mind sort of fills in the blanks, I like it. The other que I like is how you extended the tail light corners to make it flow more with the rest of the car and made them more angular on the sides.

I thought about somehow making a scoop on the hip part pointing down, don't know how it would be done yet, like the Gallardo:



You see that small scoop on the sides, well on the top of the hips. Works for that car atleast.

Well, this is a ways away, still have about 14 miles of wire to contend with from the engine harness, since it's my first wire harness I had ever done it's taking a bit longer than if I knew what I was doing LOL.

Keep up the good work, I'm excited to see what's next.

Chris


Thanks for sharing Chris, the extended rap around corners on tail light panel, I used sheet metal cut to shape and rivet on back of panel, fibreglass it, drill out rivets and bondo for the finish.
There are many ways to do that I'm sure from PFF pro guys.

What I'll be doing is a MISH MASH of lambos, Gallardo, Aventador and a touch Ferrari



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Car-Lo MSG #34, 09-28-2011 01:10 PM
     
To get that exotic lambo flavor, we lowered the front 2" and back 2", Clynt tack welding front back together ...





Cutting and bending sides down to meet 2" drop...



Difference between stock and new lower nose and hood



Car-Lo MSG #35, 09-28-2011 10:31 PM
      Lambo hinges...



Clynt welding doors shut



Clynt tack welding



Blair did the deep welding (he also did my 3800SC for RBS)



We have lift off, RBS has wings







They work got them painted, lubed and ready for final install



Installing



Thank you to my Dream Team...
Clynt, Blair and Archie for the great lambo video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfwG0CbfT0

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #36, 09-28-2011 10:44 PM
      Nice. That is is best because the system includes one single arm. That prevents the top or bottom of the door kicking out with the window is rolled up and down.

carnut122 MSG #37, 09-28-2011 11:14 PM
      Well, first I was elated to see your thread posted here on PFF. Then I was horrified to see one of my all time favorite (if not the all time favorite) Fieros getting torn apart. Then more horror followed when the Saws-all went to action. I'm anxiously awaiting the resurrection! Please keep us posted!

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topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #38, 09-29-2011 03:59 AM
      Subscribed to this thread. I am anxious to see where this ends. I really liked the look of version 1, and sure I will like it even better once complete (if there is such a thing as complete)

Car-Lo MSG #39, 09-29-2011 11:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

Well, first I was elated to see your thread posted here on PFF. Then I was horrified to see one of my all time favorite (if not the all time favorite) Fieros getting torn apart. Then more horror followed when the Saws-all went to action. I'm anxiously awaiting the resurrection! Please keep us posted!



Thank you so much and don't be to horrified, it may look scary
The old RBS proportions ended up looking wrong to me. I used the reverse chop for the flowing window line about 1-1/2" to 2-1/2" to rear hips.
I decided to actually do 2" more chop and bring the same flowing window line right down, also using extended windshield for that overall exotic look.

85SEnochie (Terry) did the photoshop showing RBS in nice glossy black.

BEFORE: Actual old RBS in glossy black...



AFTER: Photoshop with the changes... shorter sloping nose, 2" more chop, extended windshield and suspension dropped about 1"



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jwrape MSG #40, 09-29-2011 11:12 AM
      I think the original chop looked good



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #41, 09-29-2011 11:24 AM
      A Saws All, best Fiero tool ever made.

Keep up the good work.

Archie


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #42, 09-29-2011 06:55 PM
      I do like that stubby nose, always thought that fiero's resembled a firebird a bit too much with the stock nose. What are you using for a windshield? Dodge caravan perhaps

Chris


Car-Lo MSG #43, 09-29-2011 10:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

I do like that stubby nose, always thought that fiero's resembled a firebird a bit too much with the stock nose. What are you using for a windshield? Dodge caravan perhaps

Chris


The stubby nose goes well with the rear, I'll be doing something like that (no name lambo nose)

Went to the auto wrecker and here it is, 2010 Mazda 3







We laid the windshield on to see how it would fit...





That is still on the old RBS, the windshield will be laid back another 2"



The windshield is 2" wider at top, so the chop will be done different than the first, roof will be widen and lowered to fit windshield



Car-Lo MSG #44, 09-29-2011 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A Saws All, best Fiero tool ever made.

Keep up the good work.

Archie


Thank you very much Archie, I have no fear on using the Saws All


Car-Lo MSG #45, 09-29-2011 10:14 PM
     
The old RBS stripped down, with windshield laid on...



85SEnochie (Terry) photoshop showing 2" more chop....



Reallybig MSG #46, 09-29-2011 11:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Cutting off lots of fat, it's pretty thick and heavy, looks like a slab of Halibut






Halibut...there's a dead give away you're from the west coast! On this side of the mountains I'm sure you would have referred to it as "steak".

Oh yeah, LOVE this thread! This is going to be great!

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Letsbuildanexotic MSG #47, 09-30-2011 12:03 PM
      Sorry for me jumping to conclusions but this is awsome! Are you going to retain pop-ups?

Chris


Car-Lo MSG #48, 10-01-2011 01:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

Sorry for me jumping to conclusions but this is awsome! Are you going to retain pop-ups?

Chris


Anytime Chris !
I had the Mazda buckets with Mustang dual projector lights now for 2, 3 years maybe more, I forget
If I do use them , I'll tweak them by adding mean looking eyebrows OOPS eyelids !



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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #49, 10-01-2011 09:06 AM
      good to know I am not the only one that people yell at for hacking up a car that most would concider done.
great work as always
I see whaer you are going with it and I love it.

my own choptop wide body is going threw some chainges of its own as well. most of what was done has now been hacked off to make room for new mods.
D.


carnut122 MSG #50, 10-01-2011 09:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

good to know I am not the only one that people yell at for hacking up a car that most would concider done.
great work as always
I see whaer you are going with it and I love it.

my own choptop wide body is going threw some chainges of its own as well. most of what was done has now been hacked off to make room for new mods.
D.


Oh the horror. Now the madness is spreading to my back yard. Step away from the saws-all before it's too late! Is nothing sacred?


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #51, 10-01-2011 11:00 PM
      Subscribed !!!

I am really looking forward to updates and pictures

Keep up the good work


Car-Lo MSG #52, 10-02-2011 01:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

good to know I am not the only one that people yell at for hacking up a car that most would concider done.
great work as always
I see whaer you are going with it and I love it.

my own choptop wide body is going threw some chainges of its own as well. most of what was done has now been hacked off to make room for new mods.
D.


Thanks Dean, looks like we're getting a bad reputation as hackers here


Car-Lo MSG #53, 10-02-2011 02:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Subscribed !!!

I am really looking forward to updates and pictures

Keep up the good work


Thanks Lincoln, here's your update...



Car-Lo MSG #54, 10-02-2011 07:32 PM
     
Before...



After...



The second chop the rear pillars stayed the same angle, roof was widen to match windshield


Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #55, 10-02-2011 07:46 PM
      Love the new mods - what are you planning for door windows?

Jim


Car-Lo MSG #56, 10-02-2011 08:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jim88GT:

Love the new mods - what are you planning for door windows?

Jim


Thank you Jim, I'm using the same windows as first chop back in 2007, I had two sets made from a company that makes
boat windshields here in Vancouver made from cheap plastic, I'll cut them to fit.
Here is a pic of my brother installing plastic window way back in the first chop.

Thanks for asking
John

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #57, 10-03-2011 09:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks Dean, looks like we're getting a bad reputation as hackers here

And to think, around here,I'm known as the "Mad Scientist".

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe



Car-Lo MSG #58, 10-03-2011 12:15 PM
      Donor roof...
Clynt and I got it from Dawg's 87SE tear down party, we needed sections of roof to sleeve in chopped roof for some strength





Clynt tack welding with his weight on widen roof to get it sitting just right (that's how Canadians do it)



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Car-Lo MSG #59, 10-03-2011 12:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

And to think, around here,I'm known as the "Mad Scientist".

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


Well Frankenstein your work is awesome

Johnny-B-Hacker

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GADJet MSG #60, 10-03-2011 12:40 PM
      I was so sad to see the sawzall touch this car. But I am sure it will be a wonderful masterpiece as its predecessor.

I think I have finally discovered his main goal here.

 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Keep it to 5'7" and shorter only can drive it! lol


Steel MSG #61, 10-03-2011 12:52 PM
      I guess my plans to steal your car.. are now ruined. I'm way to huge to fit now.

Looking good~


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #62, 10-04-2011 12:17 PM
      This is good!

Chris


Car-Lo MSG #63, 10-04-2011 01:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Steel:

I guess my plans to steal your car.. are now ruined. I'm way to huge to fit now.

Looking good~


Thank you, I guess you'll need Jaws of Life to get into RBS (sorry about that)


Car-Lo MSG #64, 10-04-2011 01:06 PM
     
Windshield frame tack welded on, with windshield frame laid back more, the fit is nice and tight





jwrape MSG #65, 10-04-2011 01:08 PM
      Ok, that doesn't look bad at all. The Photochop looked a little worse. this looks good. :-)



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #66, 10-04-2011 01:32 PM
      What are you, 4'0" lol


it looks great, I can't wait to see more.
D.


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #67, 10-04-2011 07:09 PM
      I see this car pushing the custom Fiero choppers further in the future! "You can do that!", "Yeah, I saw I guy in Canada... wait, what are you doing with that sawzall?"

I'm starting to like and dislike this all at the same time. I like this because it is awesome, I don't like this because it is giving me ideas!

I forgot to ask about your plans for the dash, are you extending the Fiero dash, or are you doing a dash swap/custom dash. Also, how far does the windshield extend forward compared to the stock windshield?

Chris

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Car-Lo MSG #68, 10-04-2011 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

What are you, 4'0" lol


it looks great, I can't wait to see more.
D.


Thank you Dean , Pretty good guess I'm 5'-4'


andreww MSG #69, 10-04-2011 08:42 PM
      What is the maximum height you can be to sit in that car? Also, are you able to lower the seats at all to increase headroom?

Car-Lo MSG #70, 10-04-2011 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

I see this car pushing the custom Fiero choppers further in the future! "You can do that!", "Yeah, I saw I guy in Canada... wait, what are you doing with that sawzall?"

I'm starting to like and dislike this all at the same time. I like this because it is awesome, I don't like this because it is giving me ideas!

I forgot to ask about your plans for the dash, are you extending the Fiero dash, or are you doing a dash swap/custom dash. Also, how far does the windshield extend forward compared to the stock windshield?

Chris



Good one Chris thank you.

I'll be making a combo of something similar to the Lambo Sesto Elemento type dash and a jet fighter dash (without guns)
Also making a similar type Lambo Sesto Elemento laid back seats (because of the low 4" chop) ...





I'll have to measure that extended shield, it's about 6" to 8" ?? (I'll get back to you on that)

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Car-Lo MSG #71, 10-04-2011 08:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by andreww:

What is the maximum height you can be to sit in that car? Also, are you able to lower the seats at all to increase headroom?


I don't know the max, but it's fine for me, I'll be making custom seats that will be a lot lower than stock to fit a few more people


carnut122 MSG #72, 10-04-2011 09:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Windshield frame tack welded on, with windshield frame laid back more, the fit is nice and tight





I'm starting to breath again.


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #73, 10-05-2011 01:51 AM
     

Those seats look familiar



One of my favorite kit cars of all time, still not seeing what it is, how 'bout an outside shot.



Wish they still made them in kit form.

Chris


Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 10-05-2011 03:34 AM
      Why use the same car? You have so much respect over your work we all love your car i am just surprised and impressed your using same shell what a transformation just a bump and this could be one of the most watched thread of all times.

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #75, 10-05-2011 04:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

I do like that stubby nose, always thought that fiero's resembled a firebird a bit too much with the stock nose. What are you using for a windshield? Dodge caravan perhaps

Chris


Or that 7" extended windshield offered in the mall, or that other Sebring extended windshield. With the shorter, lower hood it would look great.


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #76, 10-05-2011 04:22 AM
      A few questions I'm curious about:

1) How did you figure out a Mazda windshield was the best choice? What was your methodology? What were "runner up" windshields?
2) Are you lowering the seat mounting brackets? How do you gain head clearance with such a chop?
2b) If you don't mind me asking? How tall are you, and is your height mostly in legs, or torso?


Car-Lo MSG #77, 10-05-2011 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Australian:

Why use the same car? You have so much respect over your work we all love your car i am just surprised and impressed your using same shell what a transformation just a bump and this could be one of the most watched thread of all times.


I'm on a very cheap budget and I wasn't to happy with the direction the old RBS was going. I wanted something more exotic looking, I had the whole RBS package there to tweak and play with.


jwrape MSG #78, 10-05-2011 12:38 PM
      I need a limited budget like that.

Car-Lo MSG #79, 10-05-2011 12:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:


Or that 7" extended windshield offered in the mall, or that other Sebring extended windshield. With the shorter, lower hood it would look great.


Is this the 7" extended windshield you're talking about...

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/055691.html

If it is I didn't even know about it at the time and it was built right in my own backyard here in Vancouver( Port Coquitlam) .
Don said it doesn't work to well with the choptop and it would be worse with a 4" chop

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-05-2011).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #80, 10-05-2011 03:59 PM
      Will the windshield interfere with the safety pins that fold the hood in case of a frontal accident?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #81, 10-05-2011 09:25 PM
     
Car-lo check your pm.


Car-Lo MSG #82, 10-06-2011 01:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Will the windshield interfere with the safety pins that fold the hood in case of a frontal accident?


Yes it does (much to close), I had to take them off, I'll be moving the safety pins forward about a couple of inches.


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #83, 10-06-2011 08:34 AM
      Are you selling your old seats....if so Id be interested

Car-Lo MSG #84, 10-06-2011 11:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Are you selling your old seats....if so Id be interested


They are sold to Capt Fiero already


Car-Lo MSG #85, 10-06-2011 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

A few questions I'm curious about:

1) How did you figure out a Mazda windshield was the best choice? What was your methodology? What were "runner up" windshields?
2) Are you lowering the seat mounting brackets? How do you gain head clearance with such a chop?
2b) If you don't mind me asking? How tall are you, and is your height mostly in legs, or torso?


1) Mazda windshield may not be the best choice, I was in a rush to get on with the makeover and the wreckers give me a good deal with frame, so I went with it
knowing I would have to widen roof to make it fit. I like the way the Mazda windshield flows into roof better than the other options you referred to.
2) Yes, I'm making custom laid back seats and sitting lower than Fiero seats, you really don't gain much clearance at all with 4" a chop, if you're tall stay with 3" chop (or bubble top)
3) Yes I'm short, 5'-4, legs and torso, I think a good combo (size 7 shoes if that helps)

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-03-2012).]

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #86, 10-07-2011 01:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Will the windshield interfere with the safety pins that fold the hood in case of a frontal accident?


I've seen those safety pins in action, and i'm a strong believer in the need for those.

Yes Car-lo, that was the windshield I was talking about. There is another one based on a Plymonth Breeze, or Sebring, there is another thread where somebody is using that windshield in his chop.


lou_dias (loudfiero@gmail.com) MSG #87, 10-07-2011 11:13 AM
      Windshield wiper solution?

Car-Lo MSG #88, 10-07-2011 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lou_dias:

Windshield wiper solution?


Thanks for asking...

Madcurl using the Lotus wiper ( he's got class)

Car-Lo using the Sterling wiper ( He's got Budget)



[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-07-2011).]

Letsbuildanexotic MSG #89, 10-08-2011 12:35 AM
      Single windshield wiper or two?

Chris


carnut122 MSG #90, 10-08-2011 11:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks for asking...

Madcurl using the Lotus wiper ( he's got class)

Car-Lo using the Sterling wiper ( He's got Budget)


"Now, that thar is funny...I don't care who ya' are!"


Car-Lo MSG #91, 10-09-2011 12:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

Single windshield wiper or two?

Chris




carnut122 MSG #92, 10-09-2011 10:47 AM
      So, is this titled "In-Limbo" in reference to the Limbo dance where they ask, "How low can you go?"

Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #93, 10-12-2011 10:40 AM
      Bump

carnut122 MSG #94, 10-12-2011 09:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Bump


It must be snowing up there?


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #95, 10-12-2011 09:52 PM
      I wish it was!!!!

But he lives in the pussy part of the country where it hardly snows


Car-Lo MSG #96, 10-13-2011 12:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

I wish it was!!!!

But he lives in the pussy part of the country where it hardly snows


Thanks for the bump, I'll have more pics this weekend.
Yes Vancouver it's a pussy part of Canada but for many years I did hard time in Winnipeg.



John Miller (afsierra01@yahoo.com) MSG #97, 10-13-2011 11:49 AM
      Super Build! What direction are you going with respect to the tail lights? The reason I ask is I'm finishing a 355 rebody and the tail lights you had fit the bill (the current lens are Mera units). If you don't mind me asking where did you get the tail lights you were using? Are you going to reuse your current units, if not I'm interested. Thanks, John

Car-Lo MSG #98, 10-13-2011 08:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by John Miller:

Super Build! What direction are you going with respect to the tail lights? The reason I ask is I'm finishing a 355 rebody and the tail lights you had fit the bill (the current lens are Mera units). If you don't mind me asking where did you get the tail lights you were using? Are you going to reuse your current units, if not I'm interested. Thanks, John


Thank you, yes I'll be changing tail lights, are you interested in tail lights alone or with tail light panel ? PM me !


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #99, 10-13-2011 11:01 PM
      Car-lo

Please check PM


carnut122 MSG #100, 10-13-2011 11:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

I wish it was!!!!

But he lives in the pussy part of the country where it hardly snows


There's a part of Canada without snow?


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #101, 10-14-2011 12:54 AM
      Well we all can't be living in sunny Buffalo!

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #102, 10-14-2011 01:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks for the bump, I'll have more pics this weekend.
Yes Vancouver it's a pussy part of Canada but for many years I did hard time in Winnipeg.



I love this pic. Some how the naked car looks... better than one clothed? Maybe that did not come out right LOL. I like to see the work from the ground up



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #103, 10-14-2011 02:57 PM
      SWEET! the movie is being shown in two theaters



theme song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APTHw9ASr-o


nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #104, 10-14-2011 05:40 PM
      I am really glad ur chopping the nose, I had always wanted to adress this in the future, but u are leading the way, awesome work!!!

carnut122 MSG #105, 10-14-2011 09:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Well we all can't be living in sunny Buffalo!


I've been through Buffalo. Count your blessings.


Car-Lo MSG #106, 10-15-2011 08:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

So, is this titled "In-Limbo" in reference to the Limbo dance where they ask, "How low can you go?"


Limbo Rock (Punk Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1iolp-G3U





RBS is still Limbo pretty high at 41" naked, fully dressed with 400lbs of bondo and suspension settle in I hope she'll limbo at 40"- 39" -38"



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #107, 10-15-2011 09:15 PM
      U gota be lower than that, my Robochop is sittin at 3 foot 5 1/2 inches and I have not lowerd the suspension yet. I am curious do u think the larger wheels add to the height? maby that is what makes it different I have the stock rims on it yet?

[This message has been edited by jetsnvettes2000 (edited 10-15-2011).]

carnut122 MSG #108, 10-15-2011 09:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Limbo Rock (Punk Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e1iolp-G3U





RBS is still Limbo pretty high at 41" naked, fully dressed with 400lbs of bondo and suspension settle in I hope she'll limbo at 40"- 39" -38"


Ahhh! Now I get it! Doh!


Car-Lo MSG #109, 10-15-2011 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

U gota be lower than that, my Robochop is sittin at 3 foot 5 1/2 inches and I have not lowerd the suspension yet. I am curious do u think the larger wheels add to the height? maby that is what makes it different I have the stock rims on it yet?



Robochop is very good in-Limbo must be the wheels ?


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #110, 10-15-2011 10:03 PM
      lol when I did my chop I flattend out the arch of the roof behind the sunroof and then thinned down the roof structure underneath when I did the roof to rear clip bond, I figured by bonding it the way I did I didnt need all that extra meat that the factory had in it and instead bonded it like the panels on a c-3 vette with a bonding strip.
I figure by doing that to the top I was able to loose almost a inch of roof altitude more than the other chops! hmmmm I am going to have to really lower it now to beat you! I have plans as well................muhahaha! winter chopin time!

I think tho its the stock rims that helped alot and the fact my shocks are prob 10 years past replacing!

[This message has been edited by jetsnvettes2000 (edited 10-15-2011).]

Car-Lo MSG #111, 10-15-2011 10:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

lol Ya I tried to throw a pic of it going under the bar for ya on here but i am having a pip issue with letting it post it again hehehe! when I did my chop I flattend out the arch of the roof behind the sunroof and then thinned down the roof structure underneath when I did the roof to rear clip bond, I figured by bonding it the way I did I didnt need all that extra meat that the factory had in it and instead bonded it like the panels on a c-3 vette with a bonding strip.
I figure by doing that to the top I was able to loose almost a inch of roof altitude more than the other chops! hmmmm I am going to have to really lower it now to beat ya! I have plans as well................lol


WOW well done, thanks for sharing !
So it's going to be in-Limbo WARS, should be fun



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #112, 10-15-2011 10:25 PM
      Lol not much of a war you win by default I am not choppin my car any lower id never be able to get in it again! altho it does make for a cool new thread perhaps chops in limbo! I think we need to have a "up north" choptop reunion! one of these days with of coarse a limbo contest!

Car-Lo MSG #113, 10-15-2011 10:51 PM
      RBS is flying high, she got wings...









Sunroof is in back seat now



What do you mean there's no headroom

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-15-2011).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #114, 10-15-2011 11:19 PM
      Looks sweet even w/o the body, hehe. The car sure does look low. I like the front windshield too.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #115, 10-15-2011 11:30 PM
     
Masterful.


Car-Lo MSG #116, 10-15-2011 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Looks sweet even w/o the body, hehe. The car sure does look low. I like the front windshield too.


Thank you so much, yes it does w/o body and now it's goofy with the rear lid, looks like a flat sheet of plywood

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-16-2011).]

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #117, 10-16-2011 12:30 AM
      So are you going to round off the back kinda like a veyron to match the flow of your new roof line? instead of the flat decklid?

Car-Lo MSG #118, 10-16-2011 12:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

So are you going to round off the back kinda like a veyron to match the flow of your new roof line? instead of the flat decklid?


Yes something like that, even shorten it, it's going to look like a Smart Car ?


Car-Lo MSG #119, 10-16-2011 12:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Masterful.


Thanks Tony, but it's all your fault


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #120, 10-16-2011 01:24 AM
      lol now thats funny!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #121, 10-16-2011 02:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks Tony, but it's all your fault


ssshhhh,..i was hoping they forgot,.....hehehe..

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 10-16-2011).]

The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #122, 10-16-2011 11:43 AM
      Carson and Selena are loving this thread from Winnipeg.
Make sure Fred gets his hands dirty!


Danyel MSG #123, 10-16-2011 08:24 PM
      Car-lo this is probably an over asked question but... can you tell me the wheels & tires front and back name model and size, offset and what spacer size you have ... thanks for your time .... cant wait to see the end result...

thread added to my favorites


Danyel



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #124, 10-16-2011 08:56 PM
      Danyel

Here is the info on his wheels:



Car-Lo MSG #125, 10-17-2011 12:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Danyel

Here is the info on his wheels:


Thanks Lincoln for helping out, just adding bit more info...

AXIS MATRIX

Front: 18X8 Michelin 245/35ZR Rear: 20X10-1/2 Michelin 325X25ZR


Car-Lo MSG #126, 10-17-2011 01:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by The Aura:

Carson and Selena are loving this thread from Winnipeg.
Make sure Fred gets his hands dirty!


Great to hear from you two (do you still have the GT)?
Yep, Fred is always helping me out, with three (counting Clynt) senior citizens working on RBS, it's always a fun day.

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-19-2011).]

Danyel MSG #127, 10-18-2011 02:31 AM
      85LAMB and Car-lo thanks for the info guys much appreciated .... cant wait to see your car done WOWWW

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #128, 10-18-2011 12:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

RBS is flying high, she got wings...









Sunroof is in back seat now



What do you mean there's no headroom





Dang when you get some skin on that super chop it is going to be looooooooooow I am so going to the Arlington show in 2012 hope that she is finished by that time!
The window looks great and if you have some ideas for the rear deck lid let me know I will give it ago.

Terry



Car-Lo MSG #129, 10-24-2011 01:27 AM
      Widening roof...



Fiberglass roof panels together



All sanded



Adding pillar moulding and will continue down to fastback







Slapped on old RBS door skin just for fun, I'll be using a clean skin and lowering window line flow as planned



Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #130, 10-24-2011 06:49 AM
      Awesome build - can't wait to see the finished product! Any idea when you'll have it completed? (I know they're never really done - as there are always new mods to make)

Jim


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #131, 10-24-2011 12:06 PM
     

Body mods !

Now this is the really fun part.


Car-Lo MSG #132, 10-24-2011 11:19 PM
     
Next a layer of glass reinforced filler used to round off flat pillar moulding...



Bit more patching



Sanded nice and roundish



Pics of something to follow with



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 10-25-2011 02:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Next a layer of glass reinforced filler used to round off flat pillar moulding...



Bit more patching



Sanded nice and roundish



Pics of something to follow with



Looks great! I like the lambo pix in the back ground to help motivate and inspire



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #134, 10-25-2011 10:24 PM
      Wow.... !!!!

This is going to be very low....

Looking good, keep up the good work


PS check your PM when you get a chance


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #135, 10-26-2011 10:07 AM
      Refreshing, Looking good.

SAFASTRO MSG #136, 10-26-2011 11:14 AM
      I'm speechless..........WOW! is all I can say!

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #137, 10-26-2011 11:31 AM
      WOW! just WOW!, I finally took a look at your post. I didn't realize what it was all about. As a replica builder it's totally obvious to me that what you've done is way harder and of course more imaginative. I love it, but like a few other posters I wish that you would have started over with another car and preserved the first one. It looked great too. You are incredibly talented and ambitous.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #138, 10-26-2011 01:00 PM
     

I think Car-lo has stated many times the reason he did not start over on another car is, it is a matter of budget.

Like many of us, he can't just crank out the cash for another engine swap, wheels, etc at the drop of a hat, so the best way to go is to work with what you got.


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #139, 10-26-2011 01:22 PM
      didn't mean it as a criticism. Just a wish. I understand the economics. In fact I'm a tightwad who wants much more than I can afford. Isn't that typical fiero owner?

andreww MSG #140, 10-26-2011 02:17 PM
      I totally get it, but if he had sold the car I'm sure it would have covered his costs. Maybe not

Keep up the awesome work Carlo!


BOBBY D (dragolic01@yahoo.com) MSG #141, 10-26-2011 03:22 PM
      I get that. Think of all the money spent on the swap just to get it to his level if satisfaction. I would have gave him 10k for the original car. I doubt he could have got to the basic platform needed to start over.

Thats my situation. Took lots of money to get where I am and lots more to finish the dream. I know, I hear it all the time why would you put that much money in a fiero.

My response is always, why would you drive a civic and not be able to find it in a parking lot.


Car-Lo MSG #142, 10-27-2011 10:26 PM
      Finally roof and pillar moulding are roughed in, some close up shots...(the wiper is tacked on for location only)





















88White3.4GT MSG #143, 10-28-2011 03:30 AM
      i just read through all the pages, this is exciting, i will be putting this thread as a bookmark.

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #144, 10-28-2011 08:58 AM
      Anxious to see it finished, but I'm fascinated with what you did the first time and seeing how you do your stuff. I'm now a big fan and regular reader.

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #145, 10-28-2011 10:16 AM
      Can't wait to see the body come to life.

Joe


Car-Lo MSG #146, 10-28-2011 06:38 PM
      The Mazda windshield frame design (like most or all cars today) have raised pillar moulding on each side of frame,
that follow through over roof and into fastback pillars, I had to do the same to get pillar moulding flowing into RBS roof .





[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-28-2011).]

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #147, 10-28-2011 07:07 PM
      Looks good

Are the roof moldings removeable ?
or
did your glass them to the side of the roof ?

Looks like you decided to keep the sunroof


Car-Lo MSG #148, 10-28-2011 09:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Looks good

Are the roof moldings removeable ?
or
did your glass them to the side of the roof ?

Looks like you decided to keep the sunroof


Good question, not removeable (same with roof).
The old sunroof: At first when Clynt and I started talking about widening roof, it was not possible to us to make sunroof work again.
I always wanted to keep sunroof on, driving with Clynt's 3"chop I did not like it at all without one and I was chopping RBS to 4"
(for me it was too closed in feeling). I put the sunroof on and all the drip rails still lined up and at the end it worked out okay,
anyway RBS does not like the rain.

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-28-2011).]

carnut122 MSG #149, 10-28-2011 09:45 PM
      It's coming along nicely. So, are you leaving it black, or are you going for some color this time?

Car-Lo MSG #150, 10-28-2011 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

It's coming along nicely. So, are you leaving it black, or are you going for some color this time?


Thanks...
Yes, glossy black body with matt black carbon fiber insert (lambo) scoops, panels, lips and things


Car-Lo MSG #151, 10-28-2011 11:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

Anxious to see it finished, but I'm fascinated with what you did the first time and seeing how you do your stuff. I'm now a big fan and regular reader.


Thank you and me to, that's the only way I know how to build my dream car (on budget) by swapping body parts with club members and tweaking them

Added NOTE: Thank you all for your nice comments and support

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-28-2011).]

TheRealShadowX (therealshadowx@gmail.com) MSG #152, 10-29-2011 05:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

snip... swapping body parts with club members ...snip


Oooohhh..... So THAT'S how you've been paying for this!

Just kidding of course! Keep up the awesome work!!!



carnut122 MSG #153, 10-29-2011 09:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks...
Yes, glossy black body with matt black carbon fiber insert (lambo) scoops, panels, lips and things


My Fiero is black. So is my motorcycle, my S-10, and my last Mustang. I was getting into a rut. So my Equinox is Gray and my 53 F100 is red. However, black is my favorite, I'm glad you're keeping it black!


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #154, 10-31-2011 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

The Mazda windshield frame design (like most or all cars today) have raised pillar moulding on each side of frame,
that follow through over roof and into fastback pillars, I had to do the same to get pillar moulding flowing into RBS roof .









Good call the pillar lines look real good! and glad the sun roof worked out



Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #155, 10-31-2011 12:36 PM
      So when are you doing my car????



Car-Lo MSG #156, 11-02-2011 01:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero Thomas:

So when are you doing my car????



Mr. Thomas, that's one scary avatar


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #157, 11-02-2011 01:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Mr. Thomas, that's one scary avatar


LOL, he gets that from time to time.

Joe


Car-Lo MSG #158, 11-02-2011 02:08 PM
      After attempting to fabricate my own wiper mount, Clynt saved the day by doing it right, a nice looking design and strong









Next posting I'll show you my ( crappy) wiper mount, laughing is much welcomed

Okay, here it is my crappy wiper mount (don't try this, get a professional )

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-03-2011).]

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #159, 11-02-2011 03:25 PM
      Where will you be picking up air for interior ventilation now that the cowl vents are blocked by the windshield?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #160, 11-02-2011 05:18 PM
      Looking good. I like the front windshield, new modernized roof, singular wiper blade and it's compartment, and I truly love the aggressive rake. For the record I loved the original, but I will add is, "IF THE RBS DOESN'T LIVE-UP TO OUR EXPECTATIONS WE WILL POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY, AND UNIFORMLY BAND EXOTICSE FROM EVER SUGGESTING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ANY MORE."

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #161, 11-02-2011 05:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Looking good. I like the front windshield, new modernized roof, singular wiper blade and it's compartment, and I truly love the aggressive rake. For the record I loved the original, but I will add is, "IF THE RBS DOESN'T LIVE-UP TO OUR EXPECTATIONS WE WILL POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY, AND UNIFORMLY BAND EXOTICSE FROM EVER SUGGESTING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ANY MORE."

Lol I second this! Were is my sawzall


Car-Lo MSG #162, 11-03-2011 11:01 PM
      Today (maestro) Clynt dropped in at RBS and finished welding up the wiper mount



I'll be doing something like the Ferrari concept hood only and adding wiper unit onto recessed panel (finished in matt carbon fiber)



Started cutting hood...





You'll be happy to know that the safety pins will be there



It started to rain a bit so we pushed RBS into the garage











I had to sand a wave out in pillar moulding

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-03-2011).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #163, 11-03-2011 11:07 PM
      You have to be one of the most creative and "go for it" guys on here. No hesitation to just cut up whatever if you have a new idea brewing. Can't wait to see what this ends up looking like!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #164, 11-03-2011 11:13 PM
     

That is a wicked hood !

I think Car-lo is going to make us all look silly.

Why else would he cut up an awesome car unless he was going to make it better ?


Car-Lo MSG #165, 11-03-2011 11:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by av8fiero:

Where will you be picking up air for interior ventilation now that the cowl vents are blocked by the windshield?


I'm not sure how the other extended windshield group do it
RBS hood ends right at cowl wall (there is a 2" gap between hood and cowl wall)
hopefully it will let enough fresh air in through some holes there, if not we'll see what we can do there ?
I think Clynt will have somthing to add to this, I'll keep you posted


Car-Lo MSG #166, 11-04-2011 12:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

You have to be one of the most creative and "go for it" guys on here. No hesitation to just cut up whatever if you have a new idea brewing. Can't wait to see what this ends up looking like!


Thank you, here are some (go for it guys) BLOOPER pics (killing a good hood)





[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-04-2011).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #167, 11-04-2011 04:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you, here are some (go for it guys) BLOOPER pics (killing a good hood)




lol there will be sacrifices along the way.


88White3.4GT MSG #168, 11-04-2011 09:33 AM
      what headlights will you use?

Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #169, 11-04-2011 11:33 AM
      This is what I want to see not the same old thing on everybody's car. This build Rocks. Cant wait to see whats pulled off here.



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #170, 11-04-2011 12:05 PM
      That is the most beep-ed-ee-Beep Fiero I have ever bee pen seen !
Good thing there are censers here
Shhhhhh! here comes the good part.



BOBBY D (dragolic01@yahoo.com) MSG #171, 11-04-2011 12:47 PM
      just put a little rainex on that windshield. With that angle water will blow right off it. If not your not driving fast enough. No need for a windshield wiper,.

KVCFIERO MSG #172, 11-04-2011 02:44 PM
      This is cool two great extreme choppers being born at the same time and both out of guy’s garages.

Car-Lo MSG #173, 11-05-2011 06:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

This is cool two great extreme choppers being born at the same time and both out of guy’s garages.




Car-Lo MSG #174, 11-05-2011 06:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

what headlights will you use?


Info is on page 2 with pics !


Car-Lo MSG #175, 11-05-2011 06:59 PM
      Playing with recessed panel size on hood, anyway it's screaming to be larger as shown on taped area or even larger ?
What do you think





Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #176, 11-05-2011 09:18 PM
      Sometimes less is more - go small to start and you can always expand it when you see how it looks in relation to the rest of the finished car. Just my 2 cents worth

Jim


carnut122 MSG #177, 11-05-2011 09:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Playing with recessed panel size on hood, anyway it's screaming to be larger as shown on taped area or even larger ?
What do you think





And to think I thought I was completely chopping up my hood when I installed 2 small NSX scoops. I can't wait to see how this ends up.


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #178, 11-15-2011 03:05 PM
      OK had some time to play What do you think John?

From this?


To this?


Terry



Car-Lo MSG #179, 11-15-2011 04:36 PM
      Pretty good Terry and thank you for jump starting RBS, since that photo the recessed panel is about 4" longer and wider and wiper blade always sits vertical.
The Ferrari mirrors are my all time favorite, but I'll be going with angles and wedge Lambo shaped mirrors, also headlights.



Nose will be a combo mix of Sesto Elemento, the Aentabor and the Reventon, (hope I got that spelling right)

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-15-2011).]

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #180, 11-15-2011 06:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Pretty good Terry and thank you for jump starting RBS, since that photo the recessed panel is about 4" longer and wider and wiper blade always sits vertical.
The Ferrari mirrors are my all time favorite, but I'll be going with angles and wedge Lambo shaped mirrors, also headlights.



Nose will be a combo mix of Sesto Elemento, the Aentabor and the Reventon, (hope I got that spelling right)



Well I'm not sure of what all you mean but hows this?



Car-Lo MSG #181, 11-15-2011 07:43 PM
      That was quick, it's getting pretty close (the nose will be a bit different, I'll know when I get there) ?
Can you show it in glossy black ?
Thanks again Terry, great work

EDIT: the lambo nose looks a bit huge, maybe it's the (close up) low view ?

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-15-2011).]

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #182, 11-16-2011 01:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

That was quick, it's getting pretty close (the nose will be a bit different, I'll know when I get there) ?
Can you show it in glossy black ?
Thanks again Terry, great work

EDIT: the lambo nose looks a bit huge, maybe it's the (close up) low view ?



I may have went a little over board with the high lights but thought it would help to see the lines



And yes at that angle it makes it look a bit huge I probably made the angle a little to round from the mirror to the head lights but its close





GADJet MSG #183, 11-16-2011 01:30 PM
      That is SICK!

Car-Lo MSG #184, 11-19-2011 09:57 PM
     
The very old RBS had it all...

Extended wing tips, 5" flared wing stands, w i d e hips and Boss Mustang scoop (that went to Captain Fiero for stock lid)



Then RBS had a Lip spoiler added on...



Then...Don't give me any LIP (rear will be 4" shorter and 3" lower, no flat bed look)



Just playing around...



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #185, 11-22-2011 12:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


The very old RBS had it all...

Extended wing tips, 5" flared wing stands, w i d e hips and Boss Mustang scoop (that went to Captain Fiero for stock lid)



Then RBS had a Lip spoiler added on...



Then...Don't give me any LIP (rear will be 4" shorter and 3" lower, no flat bed look)



Just playing around...



I do like how you can now see all of the projector head lights with the new nose angle.



CarverToo (robcarver@wildblue.net) MSG #186, 11-22-2011 01:13 PM
      Is the lip spoiler available? Could it be grafted onto a stock deck lid?

Car-Lo MSG #187, 11-22-2011 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CarverToo:

Is the lip spoiler available? Could it be grafted onto a stock deck lid?


Sorry, it wasn't worth saving, been trashed ( was built from scratch, shaped with cut out illustration broad and covered with fibreglass)


Car-Lo MSG #188, 11-22-2011 03:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


I do like how you can now see all of the projector head lights with the new nose angle.



Thanks and yes it's going to work out (lots of room there). I forgot to mention that the Mazda headlight buckets will be hacked up
and shaped to look similar to the Aventador.


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #189, 11-22-2011 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks and yes it's going to work out (lots of room there). I forgot to mention that the Mazda headlight buckets will be hacked up
and shaped to look similar to the Aventador.


LOL! Hack it up you guys have done an amazing job thus far with all the hacking.



Pete Matos MSG #190, 11-22-2011 05:53 PM
      Car-lo,
Props man, ya got balls as big as Church bells for chopping up that amazing car.......Luckily you have got Mad skills and taste to back it up too. I am sure you will make it all come together in a sweet unique Fiero that will blow minds wherever it goes. Peace

Pete



pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #191, 11-27-2011 06:49 PM
      Fantastic... I've been waiting for a thread like this to get me motivated. I'm looking forward to seing the progress. your skills and ingenuity are educational.

Just one thing... when you move the A pillars out to fit the width of the new screen does that alter the shape of the side windows?


Letsbuildanexotic MSG #192, 12-04-2011 03:39 PM
      So where are you at Carl-lo? I know when you stop posting some stuff up for a few days you've done something amazing!

-Chris


carnut122 MSG #193, 12-04-2011 07:27 PM
      He's probably buried under snow?

Car-Lo MSG #194, 12-05-2011 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

Fantastic... I've been waiting for a thread like this to get me motivated. I'm looking forward to seing the progress. your skills and ingenuity are educational.

Just one thing... when you move the A pillars out to fit the width of the new screen does that alter the shape of the side windows?



Thank you so much !

About the A pillars...
The best question yet The answer is, I'm not sure Stay tuned


Car-Lo MSG #195, 12-05-2011 01:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Letsbuildanexotic:

So where are you at Carl-lo? I know when you stop posting some stuff up for a few days you've done something amazing!

-Chris


Thanks, but not really...

I have injured my shoulder a couple weeks ago with all the sanding, grinding, cutting maybe next week I should be healed enough to be back on the saddle again

While I'm healing...
a few pics of the old RBS (my buddy Blair shot)...and I thought I had it all back then





The assie scoops and wheels have been recycled to Clynt's chopper and nose to Captain Fiero.




Car-Lo MSG #196, 12-09-2011 11:59 PM
      Playing with body parts...









The HACKER is back...





It's looking a bit Lambo-ish with a shorter more slanted front



pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #197, 12-10-2011 08:22 AM
      I like it, it's starting to look quite aggressive at the front. shortening the front end and using the taller windshield give it a much more "cab forward" stance.

I'm pretty confident that you are just going take some styling ideas and keep it Lambo "ish" and not go too replica.

Keep up the good work


skuzzbomer MSG #198, 12-10-2011 06:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:





"Where's my sammich?"

I see where you're going, and I like it. Might need a reverse camera, though?


Car-Lo MSG #199, 12-11-2011 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

I like it, it's starting to look quite aggressive at the front. shortening the front end and using the taller windshield give it a much more "cab forward" stance.

I'm pretty confident that you are just going take some styling ideas and keep it Lambo "ish" and not go too replica.

Keep up the good work


Thank you, no replica here (not that there's anything wrong with that) !
The front will be similar to the Gallardo, sides the Aventador and rear the Elemento

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 12-11-2011).]

Car-Lo MSG #200, 12-11-2011 09:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


"Where's my sammich?"

I see where you're going, and I like it. Might need a reverse camera, though?


That's a good one and yes I might need that camera, we'll see how things go ?


Car-Lo MSG #201, 12-11-2011 09:59 PM
      Today Clynt came over to work on his Harley parts and then we played with the body parts.





Started mocking up the front end, widening the front fender



The front end will look similar to the Gallardo, (I like the two front black boxes)

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 12-11-2011).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #202, 12-11-2011 11:54 PM
     

John i absolutely love everything you are doing, but ,........i do have to ask, why go the route of a near lambo clone ?

What i am referring to is the nose. Why not do something different and unique ??

i think it saps the creativity of all the work you have done, and will make non-fiero people think replica rather than something different.

Just my two cents.

At any rate the project is still spectacular !



pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #203, 12-13-2011 06:02 AM
      I understand Exoticse's concern at making it look too replica, I have nothing against anyone who wants to build a replica. Some are incredible copies and can be more difficult to produce a faithful likeness than interpreting a theme.

It's just my own personal taste. We have a Mclaren dealership 3 miles down the road and I see Lambo's and ferrari's nearly every day... What would give me the biggest kick is a Guy who climbs out of his Lambo, looks over at my Fiero and says "Wow whats that?" Oh I just designed and built it myself!

John you are a man af great resource and I'm confident you will produce a stunning design without it looking like you have just bought a kit car and followed the instructions.

I am following this thread with great interest and my brain is working overtime on a design of my own when I've finally got my current project finished I'll be making a start on the old girl.

Now how can I build something similar in style to this?..



Charles


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #204, 12-13-2011 01:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Today Clynt came over to work on his Harley parts and then we played with the body parts.





Started mocking up the front end, widening the front fender



The front end will look similar to the Gallardo, (I like the two front black boxes)





Heck yah! looking amazing! Here is a picture in black of that kind of nose
So I don't have to photo shop the color later



Or maybe go back to bumper pads





85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #205, 12-14-2011 03:51 PM
      Have you considered going hatch back?





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #206, 12-22-2011 05:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
John i absolutely love everything you are doing, but ,........i do have to ask, why go the route of a near lambo clone ?

What i am referring to is the nose. Why not do something different and unique ??

i think it saps the creativity of all the work you have done, and will make non-fiero people think replica rather than something different.

Just my two cents.

At any rate the project is still spectacular !


On second thought, .....why do i even bother doubting John's vision ?? He always ends up making us all look silly by whipping up something that simply makes us drool.


pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #207, 12-22-2011 06:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


On second thought, .....why do i even bother doubting John's vision ?? He always ends up making us all look silly by whipping up something that simply makes us drool.


I agree.

Its all gone a bit quiet... Is Dr Frankenstien rigging up a lightning rod to the roof of his house and about to put jump leads on RBS' genitals?

Next instalment Pleeese


Car-Lo MSG #208, 12-26-2011 09:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
but ,........i do have to ask, why go the route of a near lambo clone ?

What i am referring to is the nose. Why not do something different and unique ??

i think it saps the creativity of all the work you have done, and will make non-fiero people think replica rather than something different.




You're absolutely right about that Tony thank you for "the wake up call "
I'll be changing direction a bit and making something unique again


Car-Lo MSG #209, 12-26-2011 09:47 PM
      Look what RBS got from Santa...





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #210, 12-26-2011 09:53 PM
      John that is just looking SEEEEEEXY !!

i have been looking for a set of those led lights and have them down to a couple of companies. I would be interested in how much those cost you as the ones i am looking at are around $250 to $300.

BTW is all this awesome modding giving Clynt a little itch to do some more to his ??

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 12-26-2011).]

Car-Lo MSG #211, 12-26-2011 09:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
John that is just looking SEEEEEEXY !!

i have been looking for a set of those led lights and have them down to a couple of companies. I would be interested in how much those cost you as the ones i am looking at are around $250 to $300.


http://store.ijdmtoy.com/Au...d_audi_drl_sku77.htm

Clynt is focused on his Harley, but he does have more FUN than me playing with RBS

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 12-28-2011).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #212, 12-26-2011 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


http://store.ijdmtoy.com/Au...d_audi_drl_sku77.htm


(exoticse fumbles for credit card !) HOLY CRAP, what a deal !!

Thanks for the link !

BTW cliff i think this thread definatly deserves a spot in the construction zone !

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 12-26-2011).]

Danyel MSG #213, 12-27-2011 12:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
BTW cliff i think this thread definatly deserves a spot in the construction zone !




qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #214, 12-27-2011 02:36 PM
      great site for the LED and stuff. Just spent $50 on some LED and carbon wrap.

Rob


Car-Lo MSG #215, 12-27-2011 04:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

great site for the LED and stuff. Just spent $50 on some LED and carbon wrap.

Rob


I also got carbon wrap, glossy and matt (two rolls each) for the interior, will be looking like a jet cockpit.

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 12-27-2011).]

Car-Lo MSG #216, 12-27-2011 04:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

BTW cliff i think this thread definatly deserves a spot in the construction zone !



 
quote
Originally posted by Danyel:




OH NO, I'm with the BIG GUNS here thank you everyone !






BlackThunderGT MSG #217, 12-27-2011 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
OH NO, I'm with the BIG GUNS here thank you everyone


Awesome!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #218, 12-27-2011 07:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:



OH NO, I'm with the BIG GUNS here thank you everyone !





Well deserved


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #219, 12-27-2011 11:35 PM
      Cool beans! ya joined us over here! in construction land! I better get workin on my chop again!

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #220, 01-01-2012 11:42 AM
      New years bump!

Joe


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #221, 01-01-2012 12:19 PM
      Hey CarLo, your plan looks good. I sat in your car at Arlington once, It felt confining then, Where does your head go with the additional 2" chop...in the headrest? JJ When I go up to Harrison Hotsprings in my widetrack F6 we'll have to rendevous.

HappyNeyYear!

Rob
Fierovation


Car-Lo MSG #222, 01-01-2012 01:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

New years bump!

Joe


Thank you and Happy New Years to all

 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Hey CarLo, your plan looks good. I sat in your car at Arlington once, It felt confining then, Where does your head go with the additional 2" chop...in the headrest? JJ When I go up to Harrison Hotsprings in my widetrack F6 we'll have to rendevous.

HappyNeyYear!

Rob
Fierovation


Thank you, that's why I wanted to keep the sunroof I haven't tried to put a seat in yet and sit this week I'll throw one in and shoot some pics.
That would be great to meet up with two wide trackers I'll have to get playing on RBS

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Car-Lo MSG #223, 01-02-2012 12:38 PM
      Yesterday did a bit of tweaking...
Needed 1/2" more clearance between hood and headlights, made cuts to bend hood for more curvature.



Fiberglass back together with Evercoat SMC fiberglass Resin



Also made scoop opening larger for an extractor too





Car-Lo MSG #224, 01-02-2012 08:50 PM
      Here's the donor seats, I'll only use the tracks for the new seats...(Capt. Fiero has the old RBS seats)



There you go Amida...Stock seat in chopper





Bad news, my hair is touching sunroof

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 01-02-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #225, 01-02-2012 10:15 PM
      Update shots, (while RBS was out of garage today)











[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 01-04-2012).]

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #226, 01-03-2012 12:01 AM
      You can try bolting the seat directly to the floor without the track & sit reclined like an F-16 fighter pilot.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #227, 01-03-2012 01:31 AM
     
With each step you look more and more like a genius.


Danyel MSG #228, 01-03-2012 03:17 PM
      The end result will be completely AWSOME !!!



Car-Lo MSG #229, 01-03-2012 04:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


With each step you look more and more like a genius.


Thanks, you're way to kind, it should be...
With each step I look more like a BOZO



Another blooper, I'll have to butcher up another hood (that would be hood # 3)
I was going to have the fenders separate from the way the hood is cut, Clynt and I decided
it would be a lot easier for the hood meet the fenders.

I'll explain more with pics when we come to that point




85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #230, 01-03-2012 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks, you're way to kind, it should be...
With each step I look more like a BOZO



Another blooper, I'll have to butcher up another hood (that would be hood # 3)
I was going to have the fenders separate from the way the hood is cut, Clynt and I decided
it would be a lot easier for the hood meet the fenders.

I'll explain more with pics when we come to that point



LOL ok lets get real this picture is an easy 10.
The hood looks amazing not BONZO at ALL
And reposting the pic that I am totally ing over




Had to edit to show another quicky





Car-Lo MSG #231, 01-04-2012 01:34 PM
      Thanks Terry, Lambo nose looks great on RBS with extended windshield but I'll have to tweak IT.

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 01-04-2012).]

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #232, 01-04-2012 03:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Thanks Terry, Lambo nose looks great on RBS with extended windshield but I'll have to tweak IT.



O yah I know you are not looken to clone just getten those tweaks flowen



carnut122 MSG #233, 01-04-2012 05:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you, that's why I wanted to keep the sunroof I haven't tried to put a seat in yet and sit


Just have a couple of vertebrae removed, and you'll be good-to-go.


Car-Lo MSG #234, 01-04-2012 07:31 PM
      I always liked Sesto Elemento's rear wing diffuser and exposing the big fat tires.



Playing with some designs for RBS (I know she'll like to expose her 325 Michelins)

Anyway, here's some rough sketches...







[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 01-09-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #235, 01-04-2012 07:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:


Just have a couple of vertebrae removed, and you'll be good-to-go.


And we have another clown here


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #236, 01-04-2012 08:52 PM
     

Rough sketch ??

John you really must be modest, cause that is some pretty awesome conceptual artwork !

I remember being blown away by the concept (below) that you did for me for #4, most of which i will be using BTW.





Oh yeah thanks also for the tip on the DRL, got mine this week.




turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #237, 01-04-2012 09:20 PM
      Since you have no fear of a sawsall, have you considered lowering the floor pan under the seats 2 inches ?

[This message has been edited by turbodad (edited 01-04-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #238, 01-04-2012 11:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Since you have no fear of a sawsall, have you considered lowering the floor pan under the seats 2 inches ?



I ran out of blades not lowering floor pan and thanks for the suggestion.
I'll be making custom lower style seats something like Sesto Elemento Lambo (but NOT a clone)

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #239, 01-05-2012 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
Anyway, here's some rough sketches...







Nice, but I notice that the drawing the back end is extended. Are you going to extend the back end?

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-05-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #240, 01-05-2012 12:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Nice, but I notice that the drawing the back end is extended. Are you going to extend the back end?



Not really extended, rear lid is not on the naked RBS and that's about 5" longer and about 5" more for the spoiler ?
The rough concept sketch is loosely drawn (no to scale) I'm just playing around with RBS designs for now

RBS with deck lid on...





[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 01-05-2012).]

pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #241, 01-05-2012 05:32 AM
      I love where this is heading and great drawings too. I'm also interested to know if and how you are planning on creating the kick and swoop on the door and wondered if the door frame could be cut down to create it.

Also John have you widened the track? as the pics look like you have or are they the standard fenders i'm looking at. I've re-read through the thread and it looks like OEM A arms are being used. Apologies for my ignorance.

Charles


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #242, 01-05-2012 01:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

I always liked Sesto Elemento's rear wing diffuser and exposing the big fat tires.



Playing with some designs for RBS (I know she'll like to expose her 325 Michelins)

Anyway, here's some rough sketches...









WOW ! love the rough skeches as you call them !
More photo's to play with YAH!



pavo_roddy MSG #243, 01-05-2012 02:32 PM
      HI all

I absolutely positively LUV your sketches!!! Excelents vision is found when putting yourself inside something available. To be honest, if I were able to shape a car myself someday, you rear end sketch is exactily where to start for me. The Sesto is stellar in design. You just made it even greater than that. Like anyone I have a design going in what i'd like my car to look like, on paper. The rear-end is the place I was almost shying away from, waiting for when I had to cross that bridge I guess. I wanted to keep the roof of this Fiero a notchie, so the downward sloping angel of the notchie rear bumber was something I wanted to keep. Now I am not so sure anymore. lol... Always liked the idea of a notchie with a fastback rear bumper, even though it doesn't appeal to me all that well in construction. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder all the more accurate still today.

I do have one question. A back story to this question. Over at ARI's kitcar forum Ferrari kitcars hold probably the biggest collection of people putting willing to go that route. Eventually came an extended windshield so the kit would look all the more accurate. You had to modify the a-pillar, like your doing. Only something to figure out kept coming back up. The cold-air return, and someone said they figured this out. My question is two-fold. Did you figure yours out? Is it the same as funnywheels, his name at ARI's forum or madmechanics.com, or is your design another take at making a cold-air return work for your car? If you don't want to give that away right away that is fine, can totally understand. If you do, awesome, and sloping your front end to resemble a Lambo is jaw-dropping! I began to see that aerodynamic cool factor with the Diablo. Never though did I put it together with making the front of a car smaller in appearance with the larger rear. That part too, jaw-dropping!!!

Truly magnificent....

Thanx all,

Ear-ick...



Car-Lo MSG #244, 01-05-2012 06:39 PM
      Oh man oh man can you write pavo_roddy !

About the fresh air, (there's nothing to hide and no big secret) it's just on pause and we moved on.
We'll have to check this guy " funnywheels" out and thanks for the tip

When we get to that point, we'll show you "what not to do"


Car-Lo MSG #245, 01-05-2012 07:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

I love where this is heading and great drawings too. I'm also interested to know if and how you are planning on creating the kick and swoop on the door and wondered if the door frame could be cut down to create it.

Also John have you widened the track? as the pics look like you have or are they the standard fenders i'm looking at. I've re-read through the thread and it looks like OEM A arms are being used. Apologies for my ignorance.

Charles


Thanks and about that "kick and swoop" ...
I'll be raising window line about 1-1/2" higher at back and flowing down to front pillar, that's where its going to kick up (on pillar, not glass) to fender, it will give the same look ?



In this pic you're looking at standard fenders and door skin, the wide body parts are stripped off and waiting for the new design.

This is the Video exoticse send me that made RBS's eyes sparkle (and wanted a makeover ever since)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...HPAw&feature=related

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pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #246, 01-05-2012 08:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks and about that "kick and swoop" ...
I'll be raising window line about 1-1/2" higher at back and flowing down to front pillar, that's where its going to kick up (on pillar, not glass) to fender, it will give the same look ?



In this pic you're looking at standard fenders and door skin, the wide body parts are stripped off and waiting for the new design.

This is the Video exoticse send me that made RBS's eyes sparkle (and wanted a makeover ever since)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...HPAw&feature=related



Looks like it's all in hand, Kinda like a reverse chop with with more shaping. Standard fenders... right, it did get me thinking you had gone ultra wide for a moment. Not a budget upgrade I agree! Mmm now how about removing the rest of your trunk and exiting those tail pipes just under the rear wing?.. "Elemento my dear Watson"


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #247, 01-07-2012 12:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


http://www.youtube.com/watc...HPAw&feature=related



That is one cool looking concept in that video. I like that guys vision. Even those rear "stabilizer fins" or whatever you want to call them remind of me a fighter jet. I like them! I know you're not obviously going to be making that exact concept, but I like where yours is headed too. It was already nice before you started chopping it up again. You have a lot of talent for bringing concepts to life, and your sketches look great too. Keep it up!


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #248, 01-07-2012 02:22 PM
      Gosh !...I wish that I can draw like that...back to school.

Car-Lo MSG #249, 01-08-2012 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Gosh !...I wish that I can draw like that...back to school.


Gosh!...I wish I had your skills with fiberglass and mold making your work is so perfect


Car-Lo MSG #250, 01-08-2012 10:11 PM
      Today Clynt came over and had and said the proportions are way off on the sketches

So just to make him happy I did a sketch overlay on existing photo (should be a bit closer





EDIT: Hey Exoticse, today for the first time Clynt has mentioned about tweaking his chopper nose (something more slicker )

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pavo_roddy MSG #251, 01-08-2012 10:55 PM
      HI all

Thanx for the compliment about writing, in the process of a non-fiction feature so it is hitting home.. I also gotta say thanx to you for something new... Having your PFF name on the bottom of the quarter panel is killer cool... Ferrari has been doing it for years acknowledging the company that shapes the cars body... Knew that, but still didn't tell me what else is there.... Dreamy tool added to my bag of trix, and your to blame...

Thanx all...

Air-eek...


carnut122 MSG #252, 01-10-2012 07:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Today Clynt came over and had and said the proportions are way off on the sketches

So just to make him happy I did a sketch overlay on existing photo (should be a bit closer





EDIT: Hey Exoticse, today for the first time Clynt has mentioned about tweaking his chopper nose (something more slicker )



Holy Schmoley! That is one major transformation!


1988holleyformula MSG #253, 01-11-2012 01:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Today Clynt came over and had and said the proportions are way off on the sketches

So just to make him happy I did a sketch overlay on existing photo (should be a bit closer







EDIT: Hey Exoticse, today for the first time Clynt has mentioned about tweaking his chopper nose (something more slicker )



^That is quite the transformation! Love your work, is the finished product going to be that silver on white paint scheme?

edit: VVV That looks sweet 85senotchie! My vote goes for that paint scheme! How did you know green is my favorite color? Though I would probably switch it up, and have the darker color on the bottom and the white on top...

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Car-Lo MSG #254, 01-11-2012 05:42 PM
      Hey 1988holleyformula, thank you for the comparisons.

It's amazing what a huge difference it makes with an extended windshield.
Sorry I don't recognize the top picture. Whose car is that anyway???

Oh, about the color, it's up in the air now, anything goes.

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #255, 01-11-2012 05:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


^That is quite the transformation! Love your work, is the finished product going to be that silver on white paint scheme?


Maybe even this for paint scheme?




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #256, 01-12-2012 03:50 PM
     

Car-lo did you test out the DRL yet ?



Car-Lo MSG #257, 01-12-2012 05:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Car-lo did you test out the DRL yet ?



Not yet, is there trouble in paradise ?



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #258, 01-12-2012 05:41 PM
     

hehehe,.....noooooooo i was just curious.

Mine are en route to whodeanie.


Car-Lo MSG #259, 01-12-2012 06:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
hehehe,.....noooooooo i was just curious.

Mine are en route to whodeanie.


That's good news for both of us, I won't be out at RBS until the weekend (I think I'll try them out).

EDIT: I had to share this cool design.. http://carscoop.blogspot.co...cy-design-study.html



Would be... Great for the new Mad Arch Kit for 2012 ???

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deloreanant MSG #260, 01-18-2012 03:04 PM
      Car-Lo, I'm also on a budget, does this mean you'll be doing this to my car when I come to Canada?

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #261, 01-30-2012 03:24 PM
      Been kinda' quite around here.

Joe


TheRealShadowX (therealshadowx@gmail.com) MSG #262, 01-30-2012 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

Been kinda' quite around here.

Joe


Quite quite indeed. Haha.



fierofinder (fierofinder@suddenlink.net) MSG #263, 02-02-2012 12:17 AM
      Not quite. Quiet. I quit.

Car-Lo MSG #264, 02-02-2012 10:01 PM
      Okay, January was a BUST !

Hood # 3 to be hacked up (got it from my buddy Blair)
I'm trying to raise the bar for (most) hacked up body parts



Hood # 2 was a rehearsal...







Playing with headlight shapes...








Rough sketch...(it may not be this one, still playing with designs)







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Car-Lo MSG #265, 02-03-2012 11:17 PM
      RBS old rear clip is really butchered up, going to start with a fresh rear clip (from Blair)

Very interesting fun shots stock rear clip on chopper...











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pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #266, 02-04-2012 10:46 AM
      Looking great so far and the standard rear clip really shows the severity of the chop.

Do you think that the Mazda windshield would work with say a 2" or 3" chop? I'm over 6' and I think I would really struggle. I realise that you are going to make seats that sit on the floor to increase headroom but what are your ideas about altering the angle of the steering column so that your not driving like a chopper with ape swingers?


Car-Lo MSG #267, 02-04-2012 02:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

Looking great so far and the standard rear clip really shows the severity of the chop.

Do you think that the Mazda windshield would work with say a 2" or 3" chop? I'm over 6' and I think I would really struggle. I realise that you are going to make seats that sit on the floor to increase headroom but what are your ideas about altering the angle of the steering column so that your not driving like a chopper with ape swingers?


Had to EDIT: (for I am BOZO)

Photo below showing Mazda windshield laid on 2" chop, Mazda windshield is 2" wider at top, we had to go lower to 4" chop
(more chop the wider it gets) I hope this makes more sense ?

I'm sure you can make anything work if you're a fabricator (I'm not, my buddy Clynt has all the skills and tools for that)
Like I said before Mazda windshield may not be the best choice, lots to choose from (they all look nice now) ?



As for steering column, Fiero is adjustable, clicks right down on lap, if you're fat then it's going ape

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pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #268, 02-04-2012 08:41 PM
      Yeah I get your point re the lower the chop the wider the windshield at the top. fortunately I live in a place where we have lots of small jap/european cars. now I need to hang out in car parks with a tape measure and avoid getting arrested. I'll post my results on here!

The lights look good. I presume that you decided to keep the stock line from the front fender to hood in the end. as opposed to your origional idea to alter the fender to meet the diagonal shut line of the cut hood (if that makes sense) what changed your mind?

Oh and mine's a none driver that's why I've not discovered the adjustable column yet

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Car-Lo MSG #269, 02-08-2012 12:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

Yeah I get your point re the lower the chop the wider the windshield at the top. fortunately I live in a place where we have lots of small jap/european cars. now I need to hang out in car parks with a tape measure and avoid getting arrested. I'll post my results on here!

The lights look good. I presume that you decided to keep the stock line from the front fender to hood in the end. as opposed to your origional idea to alter the fender to meet the diagonal shut line of the cut hood (if that makes sense) what changed your mind?

Oh and mine's a none driver that's why I've not discovered the adjustable column yet


The original front fender and hood thing, it was so much easier to use stock line


Today playing with body parts...
Cutting that bump off as shown in red line



As Sir Charles would say "kick and swoop" door to fender line
Red line area would be filled in



Profile showing flowing "swoop" door to fender



Very roughed in, overall view

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #270, 02-08-2012 09:29 AM
     

Wow !

This is really taking on a unique twist. Good stuff !


BlackThunderGT MSG #271, 02-08-2012 04:10 PM
     

pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #272, 02-08-2012 06:46 PM
      love it... Simple tweeks but very effective.

Sir Charles


Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #273, 02-08-2012 09:13 PM
      Outstanding - really enjoy watching it evolve!

Jim


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #274, 02-10-2012 02:26 PM
      great job just doing a little drawing on it



Car-Lo MSG #275, 02-19-2012 09:15 PM
      This weekend I finally installed rear glass...



Masked out cutting lines on BUBBLE TOP clip , wheel well cut for more clearance





When I chop top, I move pillars over in to lid edge, a more cleaner design ( gets away from that extra step )...



Ready for cutting



All nice cuts



Chopped rear clip



Mock up of rear pillars moved over to lid edge









Next is roughing it out with 40 grid and fiberglass parts together

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wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #276, 02-19-2012 10:44 PM
      you go man...its looking great ..

pavo_roddy MSG #277, 02-19-2012 11:09 PM
      HI all

Ya know, I was only till just now looking at the pics you posted, and sumthin kept coming back to me, why is he using a stock sized fastback rear end? Then I saw something, That pic of the could be finished look, I saw the roof rising toward the rear end, and then I thought you were going to keep the stock look with the chopped windshield, to tell ya the truth I had a smile ear to ear, though it looks like that customization is still up in the air, if you were thinking about that, there any drawings?

Thanx all,

Ear-ick...


carnut122 MSG #278, 02-21-2012 11:22 AM
      Looking Great!

355Fiero MSG #279, 02-21-2012 01:48 PM
      Car-2-Lo;

Looks great.

I suggest you take a dremel tool or hand drill with a drum and grind a shallow channel across the two pieces to be mated together and put your glass in that ridge. It does two things for you, covers the seam nicely without building the outside surface up and provides a good structural strength once you rough and glass the rear side as well to sandwich the pieces between two layers of glass.

Putting the ridge in gives you mare flexibility in how you feather everything out as well without having to add a ton of bondo to fair it in.

Cheers
Don


Car-Lo MSG #280, 02-21-2012 10:59 PM
      Thanks Don for the tip, I was going to do that this time around without 2" (HALIBUT) bondo

I decided not to use stock pillars after all and fabricate pillars somewhat like Mangusta as you suggested earlier .
So much for the Aventador and Gallardo



Also thanks for tip for cold air intake, that's on pause for now (we'll straighten that out later)

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355Fiero MSG #281, 02-22-2012 10:35 AM
      No problem John;

I put my cold air vents in place last weekend on the top portion of the cowl. I will get some pics and post in your build on WestCoast Fieros for you to see. Not sure you will have enough room to do the same thing though as your screen comes out further on the sides. An option anyway.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with the rear quarter panels.

Cheers
Don


Car-Lo MSG #282, 02-22-2012 08:53 PM
      Very rough mock up with matt board...



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85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #283, 02-22-2012 10:37 PM
     
You make it "look" soooo... easy
I would love to see you work on your car one day, but I am pretty far
I look forward to your updates
Keep up the good work

What is "matt board" ?


Car-Lo MSG #284, 02-22-2012 11:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:


You make it "look" soooo... easy
I would love to see you work on your car one day, but I am pretty far
I look forward to your updates
Keep up the good work

What is "matt board" ?


Thanks, but I'm no bodyman, Don (355Fiero) is the real deal !
I had to ask PFF and WCF club members what materials they use (thank you very much)

Anyway Matt Board is used for framing pictures, matt board is the boarder around photos ?



355Fiero MSG #285, 02-25-2012 03:51 AM
      You are making me blush Car-2-Lo.

I took some pics of my cowl air vents I was telling you about. I can't seem to get my photobucket nor PIP to work tonight so I posted over on the West Coast Fieros site for you.

This should let in some additional air into my cowl area since the extended screen covers all the other inlets now. Not as large an opening as oem but between these vents and the drains that are no longer needed given no water gets into the cowl area now, I should get a decent amount of air into the heater box. Time will tell.

I like your mockups of the rear sail panels. I also use 1/4" corrugated plastic board you can get from Home Depot or Rona pretty cheaply. The plastic can be shaped pretty well and then also used as a rough mould as the fiberglass doesn't stick to the plastic.

Cheers
Don


Car-Lo MSG #286, 02-25-2012 05:00 PM
      Well Don, it's true, I'm Bozo next to you

I moved your pics of cowl air vents here to share (thank you) it looks like I'll have enough room as well.
Right now I'm focused only playing with rear end






Another great tip from Don, using corrugated plastic board, went out to Home Depot and got a 4x8 sheet (thank you)
I'll be using this for mocking up lower rear wing diffuser (lots of rough templates until it looks right)



Car-Lo MSG #287, 02-27-2012 07:41 PM
      I'm using old RBS doors that had reverse chop about 1-1/2" to 2-1/2", this what it looks on RBS2...





Hacked away right down to front and about 1-1/2" at rear...





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #288, 02-27-2012 07:47 PM
     

Sooooo wicked !


Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #289, 02-27-2012 07:59 PM
      MAD SKILLS!!!!!!!!



Car-Lo MSG #290, 02-28-2012 10:12 PM
      Today's scoop...



Fiberglass top edge door skins and mockup rear widebody ( next install widebody )



Few more views of rear end...



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1988holleyformula MSG #291, 02-29-2012 12:14 AM
      How careful do you have to be around those wheels?!? I would be worried about nicking them while doing all that awesome work! They do make the pictures easier to envision where you're going though... Love the sail panel shape btw.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #292, 02-29-2012 12:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

I'm using old RBS doors that had reverse chop about 1-1/2" to 2-1/2", this what it looks on RBS2...







It nice to see that your build is coming out very exotic as a true one off design and not a replica clone. You gleaned ideas from various parts and are making the car your own. I'm digging the rake, A-pillars, doors, rear clip, windshield and hood (everything on the car really). I'm glad to see your reusing the doors too. Keep up the good work.



355Fiero MSG #293, 02-29-2012 03:52 PM
      Car-2-Lo;

When needing more curve in the corrugated plastic, I will cut one side of the flat surface between the corrugation sections (if that makes sense), and then carve a piece of plastic or thin wood to the shape you want and tape it to the opposite side of where you are going to fiberglass against. This gives you more dramatic curves and allows you to keep shapes in the plastic as you push fiberglass mat etc against the forms.

You can maybe pull a quick mold off the door panels you are using as well and then pull some fiberglass panels from teh molds to help reduce some of the weight. If I remember correctly, the upper flare edges you had were pretty solid.

Car is looking good.

Cheers
Don


Car-Lo MSG #294, 02-29-2012 10:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

How careful do you have to be around those wheels?!? I would be worried about nicking them while doing all that awesome work! They do make the pictures easier to envision where you're going though... Love the sail panel shape btw.


Very careful, I'll cover them up when I start to fiberglass and thank you very much (I'm very happy with the overall look)


 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


It nice to see that your build is coming out very exotic as a true one off design and not a replica clone. You gleaned ideas from various parts and are making the car your own. I'm digging the rake, A-pillars, doors, rear clip, windshield and hood (everything on the car really). I'm glad to see your reusing the doors too. Keep up the good work.


Thank you so much, RBS2 has accidently evolved into something totally different than planed (with that "wake up call" from a buddy in Florida )



A few more overall views, line on tape showing nice flowing line from door to rear









 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:



You can maybe pull a quick mold off the door panels you are using as well and then pull some fiberglass panels from teh molds to help reduce some of the weight. If I remember correctly, the upper flare edges you had were pretty solid.

Car is looking good.

Cheers
Don


Thanks Don, I wish we lived closer actually the reverse chop is half hollow, so it's not that bad ( if I have time to play I'll give it a go )

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #295, 03-01-2012 10:49 AM
      Wow John, I didn't know you had such an extensive thread going on over here. I have been following you on our local forum. If you need an extra hood or other body panels let me know.

It also looks like I am not going to need this other fastback clip so its up for grabs if you need it. To be honest due to the condition, (a few cracks) using for what you are doing would be its best end of life use.

Lisa and I are going to selling off most of our parts collection from storage before we leave, so just drop me a shopping list when you need stuff.

Your car is looking amazing, I still tear up a bit when I see the sawzall pics of you killing RBS-1 but RBS-2 is going to look stunning to say the least.

David
P.S. all your bodywork on my car is not going to waste, I am doing a major tune up on it, installing the nitrous as well and am going to try for Aircare testing in the next week or so. I don't think we are going to have anymore snow here so I fill safe driving it with that fantastic nose.

P.P.S, if Clynt is really thinking about chopping up his nose, ask him to please not kill his current one, I may be able to come up with a donor nose for him to chop up.



Bridgetown MSG #296, 03-01-2012 02:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:











I know you probabley want a "one off" car CarLo, but have you considered making molds of your panels when it's complete? You could probably recoupe a lot of your cost from selling a few sets. Just something to think about. This car is looking SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so far my favorite re-body, and it's not even complete! When it's done I want to see it in person, I'm over in windy Lethbridge, it would be worth the trip.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #297, 03-01-2012 05:04 PM
     
Part of the problem is Carlo's car has gone some radical changes in like the extreme choptop, and the shortening of the front nose.

Anybody buying his panels would have to do the same.


Car-Lo MSG #298, 03-01-2012 10:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:


I know you probabley want a "one off" car CarLo, but have you considered making molds of your panels when it's complete? You could probably recoupe a lot of your cost from selling a few sets. Just something to think about. This car is looking SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so far my favorite re-body, and it's not even complete! When it's done I want to see it in person, I'm over in windy Lethbridge, it would be worth the trip.


Hi Bridgetown, thank you so much,

I have never considered making molds, I'm not set up for that I would have to farm that out to Donny Boy ?
Exotices is totally right, you need the whole package to have that look, an extreme chop and a crazy raked extended windshield, I think that's what makes it look sick

Thanks again
John





Car-Lo MSG #299, 03-01-2012 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:


I know you probabley want a "one off" car CarLo, but have you considered making molds of your panels when it's complete? You could probably recoupe a lot of your cost from selling a few sets. Just something to think about. This car is looking SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so far my favorite re-body, and it's not even complete! When it's done I want to see it in person, I'm over in windy Lethbridge, it would be worth the trip.


Sorry for the double post, it's the wind from Lethbridge

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Bridgetown MSG #300, 03-01-2012 10:25 PM
      I know this is not a "bolt on" affair. Many other rebodies require frame stretches and different windshields etc. I don't think that would scare off the serious builders.

355Fiero MSG #301, 03-02-2012 07:07 PM
      Ha..... And Donny Boy has a hard enough time getting out to work on his own projects let alone a couple others out there......

Keep it up John as the car is looking really good.

Cheers
Don

 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Hi Bridgetown, thank you so much,

I have never considered making molds, I'm not set up for that I would have to farm that out to Donny Boy ?
Exotices is totally right, you need the whole package to have that look, an extreme chop and a crazy raked extended windshield, I think that's what makes it look sick

Thanks again
John






wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #302, 03-04-2012 10:09 PM
      car warriors

Car-Lo MSG #303, 03-08-2012 11:18 PM
      Here we go again...

The old RBS wide door panels were looking way to boring ( red door skins from Capt. Fiero )



Visualizing new design using corrugated plastic templates



Added reverse chop on door, back ledge 1-1/2" to 0"

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Car-Lo MSG #304, 03-09-2012 09:57 PM
      Playing around with panels...









Car-Lo MSG #305, 03-10-2012 09:15 PM
      Fun mocking around...





fieroguru MSG #306, 03-11-2012 08:41 AM
      Love what you have done so far, but not really a fan of the direction in the last few pics. With more flat shelf rear quarters, it is starting to have the hip shape of a testarossa.


Bloozberry MSG #307, 03-11-2012 11:17 AM
      I love the swoopiness of the side profile, but I too am having a hard time understanding the intent of your latest panel additions. Is the idea to have a combination of bold creases and relatively flat panels, or is that just a constraint of the medium you are working with? Can you post a rear quarter view of your current styling to give a better idea of the width/depth/profile of the new panels?

Car-Lo MSG #308, 03-11-2012 12:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:

I love the swoopiness of the side profile, but I too am having a hard time understanding the intent of your latest panel additions. Is the idea to have a combination of bold creases and relatively flat panels, or is that just a constraint of the medium you are working with? Can you post a rear quarter view of your current styling to give a better idea of the width/depth/profile of the new panels?


Thanks, I'm having fun playing around with designs, not sure what "direction yet " the latest is somewhat of the Aventador flavour ??
If I go for it, the panels won't be flat (that was just for mockup), I'll be using polyisocyanurate foam sheet sanded to have a bit of a curve to it.

Today I'll be tweaking the overall design and see if it's a go (if not I'll go back to the old boring RBS body parts) I'll shoot rear to side views for more visualizing and post tonight.

 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Love what you have done so far, but not really a fan of the direction in the last few pics. With more flat shelf rear quarters, it is starting to have the hip shape of a testarossa.


Thanks for the feedback, that's what I need to hear I did trim down the flat shelf a bit since and we'll see tonight if it's a go or not?

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Car-Lo MSG #309, 03-11-2012 09:01 PM
      Not to much play today, a few more views for visualizing...













After seeing it in real life today, it looks pretty wild, needs lots more tweaking.

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85sliverGT (zymogenesyst@hotmail.com) MSG #310, 03-12-2012 10:10 AM
      I see what your goin for there and I like it a lot! With the top door pieces you added the body line there looks mean!

Bloozberry MSG #311, 03-12-2012 11:37 AM
      Thanks for the additional pictures. The flatter panels with the pronounced crease will look fine IMHO. It's tough to do justice to some cars in photos... many of them look much better in person so you shouldn't rely too much on our comments
That said, my only other question is whether you would continue the flatter and creased look somehow into the front fender as well, or keep it rounded.


andreww MSG #312, 03-12-2012 03:09 PM
      Kinda starting to get a Testarossa type look to the back and sides now.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #313, 03-12-2012 10:41 PM
     


I like what i see so far, especially the rake on the side vent, very nice. Love the rear clip too.


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #314, 03-15-2012 11:31 AM
      Here is a quicky for yah Have you thought about a vinyl wrap satin black maybe?





Car-Lo MSG #315, 03-15-2012 10:02 PM
      Glued few layers of cut out foam and started to rough out ledge





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #316, 03-15-2012 11:07 PM
     

John

The car is just stunning and looks soooo exotic just sitting there.

i could watch you play with foam and different designs forever hehehe.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #317, 03-15-2012 11:25 PM
      So John, I cleared it with the wife to Play Fiero's this weekend, you want to come out on Saturday or Sunday to grab the panels. Side note, we have a new younger member in the club that has been following your car closely and wants to eventually do a similar choptop to his fastback. So next time you are at a club meeting, remind me and I'll introduce you to him. You got my cell number, drop a line tomorrow so we can set up a time.



Car-Lo MSG #318, 03-18-2012 10:21 AM
      Capt Fiero and I went to storage locker (Fiero parts everywhere)



A nice clean rear clip to start (I butchered RBS last one to death)



Action shot...



Ready to cut down clip to fit in van (all I need is the sides for the wide body)



RBS's cargo van for body parts



Thank you so much Capt. Fiero for all the body parts, it was a great fun time with you as always


Capt. Fiero shot a short video from today.

http://captfiero.com/videos...ero/choppingclip.wmv



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #319, 03-18-2012 11:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
Action shot...




Love the "Mad Scientist" evil grin.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe



Car-Lo MSG #320, 03-18-2012 09:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by deloreanant:

Car-Lo, I'm also on a budget, does this mean you'll be doing this to my car when I come to Canada?


Hey deloreanant, when you come to Canada, can you bring over a couple of GT rear clips RBS-2 is running low on body parts.


Glassed over foam ledge, front needs to be tweaked a bit smaller as shown at tape marks




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #321, 03-19-2012 08:01 PM
      John i like how you raked back the side vent. Very aggressive looking.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 03-19-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #322, 03-20-2012 11:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

John i like how you raked back the side vent. Very aggressive looking.



Thanks Exoticse, even the rocket scientists Fieroguru and Bloozberry like the swoopiness it's a honor to have there comments and suggestions.


I'm not quite sure what direction to take with door side panels, I still have one more pair door skins to play with and maybe go back to old boring RBS-1 doors that look so good and smooth now...

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 03-20-2012).]

andreww MSG #323, 03-20-2012 12:05 PM
      Looking so awesome Car-Lo. Do you have any kind of timeline as to when this is going to be completed?

Car-Lo MSG #324, 03-20-2012 01:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by andreww:

Looking so awesome Car-Lo. Do you have any kind of timeline as to when this is going to be completed?


Thanks andreww, I had a deadline for June, but now I'm flip Flopping with design and it looks like late fall (or it really doesn't matter anymore )


andreww MSG #325, 03-20-2012 07:56 PM
      Ouch. A summer without a fiero? Thats gotta suck!

carnut122 MSG #326, 03-20-2012 08:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks andreww, I had a deadline for June, but now I'm flip Flopping with design and it looks like late fall (or it really doesn't matter anymore )


The suspense is already killing me!


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #327, 03-20-2012 08:11 PM
      Well Car-2-Lo, tell ol Crusty to get the Turbo Choptop widebody fixed, so you can drive it, and tell him to drive the bubble top. You might have to twist his arm a bit, but he might let ya.



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #328, 03-22-2012 05:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks Exoticse, even the rocket scientists Fieroguru and Bloozberry like the swoopiness it's a honor to have there comments and suggestions.


I'm not quite sure what direction to take with door side panels, I still have one more pair door skins to play with and maybe go back to old boring RBS-1 doors that look so good and smooth now...





What about trimming the foam off about an inch or two from the front edge of the door so you may not have to do anything different with the fender?



Car-Lo MSG #329, 03-22-2012 10:13 PM
      Mr. Terry, If ledge is shorten, it will really look GOOFY, I have to tweak fender anyway (so what's the problem )????

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 03-23-2012).]

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #330, 03-23-2012 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Mr. Terry, If ledge is shorten, it will really look GOOFY, I have to tweak fender anyway (so what's the problem )????



No problem here just giving some ideas for the new door instead of using the old one.

Had some time to play what do you think?





Car-Lo MSG #331, 03-23-2012 11:50 PM
      Thanks Terry, nice try, but that's not me

Today I cleaned the garage and this is what RBS looks like now





Later on Clynt came over and we worked on chopper, tweaked sail panels and made a cover for pulleys





After that we played with RBS, we're going to start from scratch and make the ledge work out



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #332, 03-24-2012 09:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

After that we played with RBS, we're going to start from scratch and make the ledge work out



Sometimes, you've gotta' take a step back before you can move forward, I've scarped many a part before they were done, because they weren't right. Time spent can't justify keeping something, if it's not right.

Joe



Car-Lo MSG #333, 03-24-2012 10:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:


Sometimes, you've gotta' take a step back before you can move forward, I've scarped many a part before they were done, because they weren't right. Time spent can't justify keeping something, if it's not right.

Joe


Thanks Joe,

Today I got body parts ready for Clynt and I to play with mocking up RBS's







Sourmug MSG #334, 03-25-2012 12:20 AM
      Don't mean to Hijack your thread but is there any more inforataion on this front facia? Looks great!



Nolan

[This message has been edited by Sourmug (edited 03-25-2012).]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #335, 03-25-2012 01:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sourmug:

Don't mean to Hijack your thread but is there any more inforataion on this front facia? Looks great!



Nolan



14 page build thread on Clynts car is here. http://westcoastfieros.com/...p?TID=207&PN=1&TPN=1

The car is a 4.9 Turbocharged Automatic Choptop Widebody. Man their are a lot of good things in that statment. The nose is a custom one off nose that He and Car 2 Lo built. (aka Car Lo on here)



Sourmug MSG #336, 03-25-2012 04:48 PM
      Thanks!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #337, 04-06-2012 08:16 PM
     
Any updates ???


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #338, 04-14-2012 04:24 PM
      Car Lo any chance you and Clynt are coming to the meeting tonight. Weather is suppose to be amazing, I'll be bringing the V8 to show off your amazing body work on it.



nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #339, 04-14-2012 07:52 PM
      Amazing Progress!!!!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #340, 04-24-2012 10:28 PM
     
Bump !!!

Any updates


carnut122 MSG #341, 05-02-2012 06:29 PM
      It's warming up, so we know the weather isn't the issue. Any updates?

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #342, 05-02-2012 07:14 PM
      Car 2 Lo. Have you seen the new Cadillac ELR? The rear end treatment may be something that interest you.

andreww MSG #343, 05-10-2012 01:15 PM
      Bump

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #344, 05-17-2012 05:34 PM
      "Good threads should never die."

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #345, 05-23-2012 07:32 PM
      Car-lo

Are you OK ?

Is has been almost two months since your last update.

I know that what you are doing is a LOT of work

Keep us posted


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #346, 05-31-2012 05:01 PM
      A bit more work has been done, he just needs to update " this " thread to make it current with his other.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 05-31-2012).]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #347, 05-31-2012 05:57 PM
      Car 2 Lo is getting back into the action, he had to take a bit of a break for personal reasons that I'll let him decide if he wishes to share.

However his car is looking great, and has made some amazing great progress, as well as some rather drastic changes to the design he was going with.

I am sure he will be updating this thread soon.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #348, 05-31-2012 07:17 PM
      Good news, waiting to see the updates.

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #349, 06-01-2012 07:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Car 2 Lo is getting back into the action, he had to take a bit of a break for personal reasons that I'll let him decide if he wishes to share.

However his car is looking great, and has made some amazing great progress, as well as some rather drastic changes to the design he was going with.

I am sure he will be updating this thread soon.
Now you're scaring me! Drastic changes? I have no skills, either in the inspiration area or in the application area and so I am always amazed and impressed with the direction this extreme chop top is going. One of my favorite cars was a 55 Austin healey with a windshield that was about 5 inches high when laid down, and that was the way I drove it. I was always thinking about making a chopped soft top to go with the windshield but never got around to it. Your car is awesome looking already, even in it's rough shape and I think will set the mark for chop tops for a long time if not forever.




dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #350, 06-01-2012 07:33 AM
      Sorry for that last post. I didn't manage to separate my reply from the post that I was quoting.

Car-Lo MSG #351, 06-01-2012 08:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:
Now you're scaring me! Drastic changes? I have no skills, either in the inspiration area or in the application area and so I am always amazed and impressed with the direction this extreme chop top is going. One of my favorite cars was a 55 Austin healey with a windshield that was about 5 inches high when laid down, and that was the way I drove it. I was always thinking about making a chopped soft top to go with the windshield but never got around to it. Your car is awesome looking already, even in it's rough shape and I think will set the mark for chop tops for a long time if not forever.
.


Thanks for the nice compliment, you're way to kind to this Bozo
For the skills part, you really have to have friends like Clynt, Blair, the Capt. and all the WCF Club members, without them this project won't be happening.

As for the "drastic changes" I just went back to the original lambo concept video that Exoticse sent me...
I dropped the idea of the Lambo Aventador doors and scoop (it will always look like a bad copy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQhFiU-HPAw

I'll be doing something similar with the doors and scoop...(it will match the bumper less back end better)





Car-Lo MSG #352, 06-01-2012 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Car 2 Lo. Have you seen the new Cadillac ELR? The rear end treatment may be something that interest you.


Thanks for pointing that out, I might just use the rear deck lid V design , as for the bottom it will be bumper less exposing the 325
michelins with wing diffuser right across the rear end.

I hope this is the ELR ?



Also thinking adding flare at bottom rear rocker panel

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-02-2012).]

FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #353, 06-01-2012 10:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks for the nice compliment, you're way to kind to this Bozo
For the skills part, you really have to have friends like Clynt, Blair, the Capt. and all the WCF Club members, without them this project won't be happening.

As for the "drastic changes" I just went back to the original lambo concept video that Exoticse sent me...
I dropped the idea of the Lambo Aventador doors and scoop (it will always look like a bad copy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQhFiU-HPAw

I'll be doing something similar with the doors and scoop...(it will match the bumper less back end better)





I know the designer who did that, Mike just graduated not too long ago from Art Center. If you need some good shots of it let me know I can get them from him.

-Alex


Car-Lo MSG #354, 06-01-2012 10:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboby:


I know the designer who did that, Mike just graduated not too long ago from Art Center. If you need some good shots of it let me know I can get them from him.

-Alex


WOW, it's a small world, but no thanks, I have enough info and it won't be exact, just bit similar with RBS spin on it.
Thanks again Alex and I love your work


Car-Lo MSG #355, 06-02-2012 01:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

A bit more work has been done, he just needs to update " this " thread to make it current with his other.



I'm not sure what you're talking about, I haven't done any playing with RBS for the past two months and any latest build posting anywhere until now...


Yes, "I'm back on the saddle again" (that is with RBS)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...-z6qM&feature=fvwrel

I'm actually playing again, trimming reverse panel





With 4" chop and now adding 2" reverse chop, WOW that makes it 6" overall chop







85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #356, 06-02-2012 01:35 PM
      I am very glad that you are back on the saddle

Keep it up !!!


Car-Lo MSG #357, 06-03-2012 06:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

I am very glad that you are back on the saddle

Keep it up !!!


Thanks 85LAMB, that's a good one

Today I started modifying rear panels, extending bottom for new scoop, this will change the old Fiero lines...
Using 1/4" corrugated plastic board ( tip from "355fiero" in Victoria, BC) for template.

Viewing front side



Viewing back side



Fiberglass



Pealed off Corrugated plastic (it won't stick to plastic)



View on RBS



Roughly sanded

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-03-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #358, 06-03-2012 07:35 PM
      Removing lip from old RBS (don't give me any lip )



Lip is gone with the wind also cut off top of rocker panel





Leaving 325 big ones exposed as shown on red mark (this will match rear end)



[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-03-2012).]

ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #359, 06-04-2012 01:35 AM
      WOW...talk about designing your own car....
You, sir, are amazing!!!
I can't wait to see more!
al


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #360, 06-04-2012 01:57 AM
      Ya know I love all your work, and I know I am a bit lucky being able to see the car in person, but you have me a bit concerned with the last couple mods where you have the red box to show the exposed tires. It looks like you have removed all the areas that give the panel its fixed mounting points, so securing the panels will be a bit tricky especially if you make your own brackets to hold them in place you will need to find a way to integrate the brackets. Does Mr. Wizard Clynt have a general idea on how he is going to mount everything.

Car is looking amazing, and will be awesome to see once its finished. Kinda sucks that your car will miss the big All Pontiac show next weekend. I am not going to put my car in either, unless I somehow find a time machine to go back and get the engine worked on. I hope you do still at least come out to visit a lot of the guys are asking where you have been. Yes you are missed.

P.S. we also have the club meeting on Saturday. You and Clynt should come out in his chopper.



Reallybig MSG #361, 06-04-2012 04:40 AM
      Simply amazing! Usually the artists renderings are over exaggerated and out of proportion to make it look more exotic, but in this case, I think they might be a little to conservative for end result! Truly an exotic in the making.

Car-Lo MSG #362, 06-04-2012 02:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Ya know I love all your work, and I know I am a bit lucky being able to see the car in person, but you have me a bit concerned with the last couple mods where you have the red box to show the exposed tires. It looks like you have removed all the areas that give the panel its fixed mounting points, so securing the panels will be a bit tricky especially if you make your own brackets to hold them in place you will need to find a way to integrate the brackets. Does Mr. Wizard Clynt have a general idea on how he is going to mount everything.

Car is looking amazing, and will be awesome to see once its finished. Kinda sucks that your car will miss the big All Pontiac show next weekend. I am not going to put my car in either, unless I somehow find a time machine to go back and get the engine worked on. I hope you do still at least come out to visit a lot of the guys are asking where you have been. Yes you are missed.

P.S. we also have the club meeting on Saturday. You and Clynt should come out in his chopper.



No concern, Mr. Wizard Clynt and I talked about that the other day and yes he's going to weld brackets front and back to support rockers.

We'll be at meeting see you there !!!


Car-Lo MSG #363, 06-04-2012 02:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Reallybig:

Simply amazing! Usually the artists renderings are over exaggerated and out of proportion to make it look more exotic, but in this case, I think they might be a little to conservative for end result! Truly an exotic in the making.


Thank you Mr. Reallybig guy,

I updated sketches and decided on color scheme, Madcurl red with semi gloss black side and back end...



The back view is exaggerated a bit

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-10-2012).]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #364, 06-04-2012 03:18 PM
      HOT DAMN Jon that is Sexy!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like starting next year at the All Pontiac Show all other Fastbacks can just forget 1st place from then on.


P.S. is it Jon or John, I figured no H because your Italian.



Car-Lo MSG #365, 06-04-2012 04:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

HOT DAMN Jon that is Sexy!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like starting next year at the All Pontiac Show all other Fastbacks can just forget 1st place from then on.


P.S. is it Jon or John, I figured no H because your Italian.



Thanks, the overall design is always being tweaked and getting closer to reality

As for name, I'm going with north american style "John" my legal name is "Gianni Carlo"

 
quote
Originally posted by ace5514:

WOW...talk about designing your own car....
You, sir, are amazing!!!
I can't wait to see more!
al


Thanks, but maybe not, I steal designs from everybody

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-04-2012).]

wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #366, 06-04-2012 04:37 PM
      that my friend is twisted and really wish i had your talent of drawing to see if my hybrid design is going to turn out..

ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #367, 06-04-2012 08:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks, but maybe not, I steal designs from everybody



Don't we all....you are one of my inspirations for my wide body obsession...i watched your build on the west coast forum as well as here.
thanks to you, archie and mad curl whodeanie ans many others......I AM BROKE (and loving it)
al


Car-Lo MSG #368, 06-11-2012 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ace5514:


Don't we all....you are one of my inspirations for my wide body obsession...i watched your build on the west coast forum as well as here.
thanks to you, archie and mad curl whodeanie ans many others......I AM BROKE (and loving it)
al


That's to funny


More inspirations from concept lambo and MadArch wide body rockers...



The old RBS rockers are to boxy squareish looking for the new design, side of rockers are going to be angled something like MadArch



Taped new lines to cut off







All boxy square cut out



Clynt holding new angled template



More tomorrow ,



Car-Lo MSG #369, 06-13-2012 10:20 PM
     
Latest sketch tweak



Got the Madarch thing going on rockers with a Curl at the end

Rough mock up...





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #370, 06-14-2012 02:51 AM
      WOW !

John you guys are incredible !

Wish i lived closer.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 06-14-2012).]

1988holleyformula MSG #371, 06-14-2012 11:02 AM
      Absolutely love this!



Thanks for the update!


pavo_roddy MSG #372, 06-14-2012 03:00 PM
      HI all

Where have I seen that Lambo design?

Ferrari has one jus like it:

http://myfiero.com/uploads/30537_.jpg

I wonder if they are both from the same designer??

I also am Sorry if I let out any secrets?????

Thanx,

Ear-ick



Car-Lo MSG #373, 06-14-2012 04:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pavo_roddy:

HI all

Where have I seen that Lambo design?

Ferrari has one jus like it:

http://myfiero.com/uploads/30537_.jpg

I wonder if they are both from the same designer??

I also am Sorry if I let out any secrets?????

Thanx,

Ear-ick



I'm not sure who the designers are and it's no secrets to hide on PFF





satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #374, 06-16-2012 02:40 PM
      The difference is his Fiero looks much better then the Ferrari

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #375, 06-20-2012 06:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Latest sketch tweak



Got the Madarch thing going on rockers with a Curl at the end

Rough mock up...





WOW! great work
Are you going to make it to the Arlington show this year?



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #376, 06-20-2012 07:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


WOW! great work
Are you going to make it to the Arlington show this year?



You do know that The Arlington Fiero Picnic was 2 weeks ago right? Are you refering to the Northwest Fiero Fest?



Car-Lo MSG #377, 06-20-2012 11:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:


You do know that The Arlington Fiero Picnic was 2 weeks ago right? Are you refering to the Northwest Fiero Fest?


I'm afraid this summer is shot, all I have is memories...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...index=5&feature=plcp


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #378, 06-21-2012 10:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:


You do know that The Arlington Fiero Picnic was 2 weeks ago right? Are you refering to the Northwest Fiero Fest?


LOL! No I meant the one that already past I will have to pay more attention next year I thought it was late June or early July for the show in Arlington.
But if you guys are coming to Fiero Fest this Year I am really excited to see your Fiero's and meat all of you in person

Nice memories John I still photo shop it a little here and there




Car-Lo MSG #379, 06-24-2012 11:56 PM
      Today Clynt came over and force me to move on with RBS-2 project...

Action shots...

Clynt spray gluing on foam sheet cut to size on door skin



Shaping foam







Foam rough in on chopper, still needs to be shaped to fit wide rear panel







We started to play with widening front fender



We had a great day thanks to Clynt pushing me to move on

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-25-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #380, 06-25-2012 12:17 AM
     

Way to go Clynt !

John any chance we can import him to florida for a few weeks, hehehe


1988holleyformula MSG #381, 06-25-2012 01:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Today Clynt came over and force me to move on with RBS-2 project...
snip*


Great shot with the white car in the last picture!


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #382, 06-25-2012 02:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Way to go Clynt !

John any chance we can import him to Florida for a few weeks, hehehe


Over my Dead Body. Johnny boy and Clynt are the dream team when it comes to modding cars outside of the norm. I may throw a chain around them and drag them to Oregon with me if I move. I'll tie them up in the basement in ankle chains and give them unlimited food, shelter and a long supply of Fiero's to work on. LOL. John in case you are not aware both you and Clynt are very appreciated here in BC. I'd gather to say that at least half of the modified cars in the club you two had a hand in, either with knowledge explaining how to do it, or by coming right to their house and teaching them how to do it. So in case I have not said it for a while "Thank You" I get compliments on my car every time I drive it. P.S. could you PM me Clynt's current email addy. I need to send him a few pics.



Car-Lo MSG #383, 06-25-2012 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Way to go Clynt !

John any chance we can import him to florida for a few weeks, hehehe



Hey Tony, Fred (my brother-in-law) at 85 is Florida material and is willing to stay longer

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 06-25-2012).]

serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #384, 06-26-2012 12:32 AM
      First post. I had a great 86 Fastback in college and left it at my parents house for a 500 hp Corvette many years ago. In the past few weeks, I got interested in rat rods and was looking into getting a 1931 Plymouth. On a whim, I remembered the old Fiero I still have rotting away and thought I'd see if there were still any Fiero forums around. Your build has probably single-handedly rescued my old Fiero. I think I'm going to go tow it back to my house and start reviving it.

I have fond memories of all those old plans of putting a V8 in it and adding something like a Diablo body kit. Those are certainly being replaced with ideas now of keeping Fiero core lines and flaring, chopping and accentuating.(along with adding the V8). Thank you and others for the inspiration.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #385, 06-26-2012 10:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

First post. I had a great 86 Fastback in college and left it at my parents house for a 500 hp Corvette many years ago. In the past few weeks, I got interested in rat rods and was looking into getting a 1931 Plymouth. On a whim, I remembered the old Fiero I still have rotting away and thought I'd see if there were still any Fiero forums around. Your build has probably single-handedly rescued my old Fiero. I think I'm going to go tow it back to my house and start reviving it.

I have fond memories of all those old plans of putting a V8 in it and adding something like a Diablo body kit. Those are certainly being replaced with ideas now of keeping Fiero core lines and flaring, chopping and accentuating.(along with adding the V8). Thank you and others for the inspiration.


Welcome back to fieros ! We have a great fiero club here in orlando with some sweet rides.

check out the central florida fieros forum.

Also check your private messages.


Car-Lo MSG #386, 06-27-2012 12:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

I have fond memories of all those old plans of putting a V8 in it and adding something like a Diablo body kit. Those are certainly being replaced with ideas now of keeping Fiero core lines and flaring, chopping and accentuating.(along with adding the V8). Thank you and others for the inspiration.


Welcome back serrata, looking forward to your build sounds awesome

Back to RBS-2...
Today I started on other door shaping away





Those grand kids

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serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #387, 06-27-2012 09:37 AM
      Where do you get this type of foam?
Also, for the process, I want to make sure I understand the steps:
- You'll lay fiberglass over this to form the mold
- Then coat the inside of the fiberglass with something to prevent sticking
- Then lay fiberglass inside this to form the actual part, adding brackets or mounting tabs as needed(or do you put these on after removing from the mold?)

Maybe I'll just sit back and watch the process. This is very exciting.


Car-Lo MSG #388, 06-27-2012 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

Where do you get this type of foam?

Maybe I'll just sit back and watch the process. This is very exciting.


You can get foam here...
http://www.fibreglast.com/p...Foam_Sheets_440/Foam

This is a one off, no mold I'll be laying fiberglass over foam and that's it

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serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #389, 06-27-2012 10:13 PM
      Nice. So will you be taking the foam out and then mounting the fiberglass, or are you bonding it to the panels as you go and leaving the foam in place?

I have no fiberglass experience, so this is fascinating to me. Lots of possibilities...


Car-Lo MSG #390, 06-27-2012 10:31 PM
      Rough concept sketch...



Clynt and I started to play mocking up rear





Clynt already having fun



Removing s.m. shelf



Moving harness over so we can work better



Nice and clean



Clynt looking over concepts



Cutting angle for wing



Exhaust pipes to be moved inboard





It's a start, very rough mock up, design will change to fit



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Car-Lo MSG #391, 06-27-2012 10:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

Nice. So will you be taking the foam out and then mounting the fiberglass, or are you bonding it to the panels as you go and leaving the foam in place?

I have no fiberglass experience, so this is fascinating to me. Lots of possibilities...


The foam will stay for strength, it's also easer


serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #392, 06-27-2012 10:56 PM
      Nice. So will you be taking the foam out and then mounting the fiberglass, or are you bonding it to the panels as you go and leaving the foam in place?

I have no fiberglass experience, so this is fascinating to me. Lots of possibilities...


serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #393, 06-27-2012 11:07 PM
      Double post. Oops. Stupid Android tablet refreshing browser.

It looks like you are doing a bunch of the more detailed horizontal pieces in the rear with steel for strength. Nice. I'm interested to see where the taillights will come from and how you'll tie those in. As others have pointed out, the sketch looks fantastic, but the reality is even better so far.

I'm really, really liking the open, partial wheel wells.

Have you thought much about the front fascia yet? I'm looking forward to your vision for that and how it ties the theme together. Very, very impressive thus far.


Car-Lo MSG #394, 06-27-2012 11:10 PM
      Foam is already bonded to door skin and leaving foam in place for strength, then fiberglass over foam, it's fun to play with

EDITE: for serrata...
As for front fascia and taillights, this is a cliff hanger thread, hang in there

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Car-Lo MSG #395, 06-30-2012 07:15 PM
      I'm always asked what materials I use...



Started to box in top rear panel, using one layer Evercoat SMC fiberglass, then one layer of Evercoat SMC fiber teck
and finished with thin layer of Everglass. Both fillers have reinforced fibers, short stands even kevlar, makes a strong boxed in panel.





A little tweaking to rear pillars, change design to match front, now it flows better







355FIERO will be happy RBS-2 is on a diet, nice and thin (well, a lot thinner than old RBS)

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Car-Lo MSG #396, 06-30-2012 09:35 PM
      After dinner tweaking...

Trick tweak I did with old RBS, cut 1"off rear deck lid at each end and moving pillars inward 1", gives wider fender hip to place your coffee cup

Shown 1" tape mark to be cut off...



Shown cut off end piece and a few views...



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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #397, 06-30-2012 09:59 PM
      You guys are crazy! Going to be wicked! Great work so far

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #398, 06-30-2012 10:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wee twisted:

that my friend is twisted and really wish i had your talent of drawing to see if my hybrid design is going to turn out..


I agree. Wish I could do that to the car I'm building. I have to just keep it in my head.


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #399, 06-30-2012 10:58 PM
      looking great !!!
You make it "look" easy

Could you please explain in detail how you go about,
Sanding or "finishing" the panel ?

ex: block w/ 36 , then block w/ 80 grit, then block w/ 180 etc.

and also please tell us what tools you are using

if you don't ming me asking,
how long did it take you to do the upper part of the 1/4 panel ?
from the time you started laying the fiberglass to how it looks now.

You are doing this so fast that I feel like it takes me for ever,
and I am still in the raw fiberglass stage

Keep up the good work


Car-Lo MSG #400, 07-01-2012 01:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

You guys are crazy! Going to be wicked! Great work so far


Thanks, things are shaping up fast now.

 
quote
Originally posted by wee twisted:

that my friend is twisted and really wish i had your talent of drawing to see if my hybrid design is going to turn out..



 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:






I agree. Wish I could do that to the car I'm building. I have to just keep it in my head.


That's how Clynt works too, but now he's looking at all concepts photos we are stealing for RBS-2.

 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

looking great !!!
You make it "look" easy


Keep up the good work


There it is, okay guys don't laugh to hard, just ask the Capt. we don't have much of auto body tools



Long board is most I use, keeps upper body fit. What you see is just 40 grid so far.

Clynt works so fast that I have to say wait I'll get my camera, next time we'll try to post more info as we go along.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #401, 07-01-2012 01:13 AM
     

man that thing is low and sexy !



oooooh man those hips !! You nailed it.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #402, 07-01-2012 09:21 PM
      Car-lo
thanks for the reply
I really apreciate it

I have to tell you, that you do more w/ that long block n drill than must people could dream about.
No reason to laugh at all

Also I think is really nice that you have a friend like Clint, kudos to Clint

What weight of Fiberglass are you using ? 1.5 oz or .75 oz. ?


355Fiero MSG #403, 07-02-2012 02:08 PM
      Car-2-lo;

Excellent job on the panels. These look way lighter than the old rbs......

The shape is really turning out nicely. This will be a very sleek car when u r done.

Keep going.
Don


Car-Lo MSG #404, 07-04-2012 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Car-lo
thanks for the reply
I really apreciate it

I have to tell you, that you do more w/ that long block n drill than must people could dream about.
No reason to laugh at all

Also I think is really nice that you have a friend like Clint, kudos to Clint

What weight of Fiberglass are you using ? 1.5 oz or .75 oz. ?


Mr. 85LAMB, sounds like you have much more info than me, as weight of fiberglass I just say one yard of that one and one yard of the other
( next time I'll get that info on weight of fiberglass ) I'll still try to do step by step build and showing tools.

Yip, everybody's lucky to have Clynt here at WCF Club, maybe we'll send Clynt over to Florida and push you to finish your project ?


Back today's fun...
Started to work on rear pillars, I'm using Fiero roof panel, template on roof panel and ready for cutting



Cut off with grinder cutting wheel



Pillar shown on chopper







Trimmed more off at bottom



That's as far I got today, had a little ouch
I shreded tip of finger with grinder, my niece drove me to emergency (now I can't play guitar )



Tomorrow I'll finish pillars if nothing else happens

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #405, 07-04-2012 10:17 PM
      Damn it John, you are not allowed to hurt yourself. I think its time Lisa buys some more mechanics gloves for the club raffle then rig it so you win them next time you are there. My mechanics gloves have saved my fingers from many many careless accidents, and you have seen how I work, safety be damned.

Got an odd question for you, Lisa and I just finally delivered your spare door glass that you dropped at my place to the locker, and it got me thinking, with your new chop are you going to be able to use your current chopper glass, or do you have to find new ones? If you are going to get new ones, do you want to sell your current ones. Ever since you twisted my arm to think about chopping the 857 I can't get it out of my head. So I am starting to put stuff aside for a "some day" project on it.

P.S. If you do decide to work with the bandage on, a coil of electrical tape around the bandage will keep it on, and if you rip open any stitches or cuts, super glue works amazing at closing it back up so you can get back to work without making parts a bloody mess. You don't want to stain your new work ya know, that fiberglass will absorb the blood and make it hard to paint, LOL.



satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #406, 07-05-2012 04:26 PM
      Wow, sorry you got hurt. I ripped the flesh off the tip of my thumb once when it got caught between leafs of a rear spring so I know how you feel.

I've become addicted to this thread in recent weeks so heal quickly and I can keep up with my fix every day.

The only thing I have a question about is that space between the rear "bumpers" showing the tire tread. Aren't there mudflap laws in Canada? It seems to me the Police could really give you a hard time about that. Don't get me wrong, it looks awesome. What about a matte black inner wheelwell that goes around the circumference of the tire and also gives an anchor point for all those points on the valance, bumper parts and side skirts for extra strength?



Car-Lo MSG #407, 07-05-2012 10:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by satinta:

The only thing I have a question about is that space between the rear "bumpers" showing the tire tread. Aren't there mudflap laws in Canada? It seems to me the Police could really give you a hard time about that. Don't get me wrong, it looks awesome. What about a matte black inner wheelwell that goes around the circumference of the tire and also gives an anchor point for all those points on the valance, bumper parts and side skirts for extra strength?



Thanks for asking...
Clynt said not to worry, I will be putting back liners just stopping at open area shown on red mark, if there's a problem I'll slide in a panel covering cutout area .
The rocker panels and defuser wing will have custom hidden frame holding everything.




Today's play...
Fastback pillars are from body parts (Fiero roof), not enough lengh, so I had to add pieces and fiberglass together.

Fiberglassing back (to much hot sun)



Front (that's better)



Using aluminum angles bent to shape flowing pillars



Pro-Form to bond aluminum angles to pillars







finished



Car-Lo MSG #408, 07-06-2012 07:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Damn it John, you are not allowed to hurt yourself. I think its time Lisa buys some more mechanics gloves for the club raffle then rig it so you win them next time you are there. My mechanics gloves have saved my fingers from many many careless accidents, and you have seen how I work, safety be damned.

Got an odd question for you, Lisa and I just finally delivered your spare door glass that you dropped at my place to the locker, and it got me thinking, with your new chop are you going to be able to use your current chopper glass, or do you have to find new ones? If you are going to get new ones, do you want to sell your current ones. Ever since you twisted my arm to think about chopping the 857 I can't get it out of my head. So I am starting to put stuff aside for a "some day" project on it.

P.S. If you do decide to work with the bandage on, a coil of electrical tape around the bandage will keep it on, and if you rip open any stitches or cuts, super glue works amazing at closing it back up so you can get back to work without making parts a bloody mess. You don't want to stain your new work ya know, that fiberglass will absorb the blood and make it hard to paint, LOL.



Thanks for the tip Capt. (ouch), I do have mechanics gloves, it's that texting, never while grinding stitches come out next Friday
The side windows I'll be using for RBS-2 also the spares, we'll see you a next meeting


Back to RBS-2
Today my nephew and I installed fastback pillars



Using Pro-Form, had to screw down at bottom, no room for clamps (screws will be removed)



Other side









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Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #409, 07-06-2012 10:16 PM
      This thing is going to be absolutely stunning - enjoying watching the bar being raised to new heights!

Jim


carnut122 MSG #410, 07-06-2012 10:36 PM
      Wow...just...wow!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #411, 07-06-2012 10:50 PM
      WOW !!!!
I LOVE the lines, this is turning out great

I have to say that I definetly don't know anywhere near as much as you...
If I did, it would not take me as long to get stuff done on my project and I would not have to ask you so many questions

more questions
did you keep the mouting points on the top of the rear clip, right behind the grills ?
Or did you just leave them off ?
I am wondering since you move the upper rear pillars further in


ps one of the guys from our club took a pic of my little project,
I hope you don't mind that I "borrow" some of your ideas
http://centralfloridafieros...p?topic=2000.new#new


satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #412, 07-07-2012 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jim88GT:

This thing is going to be absolutely stunning - enjoying watching the bar being raised to new heights!

Jim


Or new lows as it were!! Great progress!!!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #413, 07-07-2012 01:45 PM
      Ok, people can officially call off the hit squads that were contracted to take me out for sending John the concept pictures that sparked this whole redux.



This one is going to make the original car look like chopped liver,.............with onions.

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Car-Lo MSG #414, 07-07-2012 11:33 PM
      Thank you everyone for the compliments and a special thanks to exoticse for making this happen

The windshield, roof and fastback pillars flow nicer together now





Car-Lo MSG #415, 07-10-2012 12:59 AM
      A little update today...
Clynt and I playing with rear suspension, we had to get a rough alignment done before any more body work, so we can work around the wheels.



The right rear wheel was way off, couldn't get enough camber adjustment with the camber bolt, so we tried stock bolt and it worked.



I was getting pretty fast taking wheel off and on (did that many times today)



Clynt's dog was helping out too



BIG TIME TWEAK...
Yip, it's hood # 3 or # 4 or # 5, I lost count



Notice hood overhang on front

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #416, 07-10-2012 12:05 PM
      From the drawing to the real thing it looks pretty close in length I think.





Car-Lo MSG #417, 07-11-2012 08:47 PM
      A bit of (an aggressive) TWEAK...
Was not to happy with skinny rear pillars, so I went with fatter pillars





My nephew Antony sanding merging pillars and roof smooth







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Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #418, 07-11-2012 08:56 PM
      I like it - thicker pillars give it a more aggressive look!

Jim


Car-Lo MSG #419, 07-11-2012 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jim88GT:

I like it - thicker pillars give it a more aggressive look!

Jim


Thanks Jim, it's slowly getting better

This afternoon Clynt came riding in...



He got right to playing, with new hood (has to be tweaked to fit)



We put back the old hood to mock up (showing overhang))



Remember that old Mazda front nose (I had for many years) well, we might use it





Overall look with Antony in bkgd.



Clynt playing, mocking up front fender



Notice a little hump on top of fender





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #420, 07-11-2012 11:02 PM
     

Looking goooooooood !

Great choice on the nose. looks lambo like without being a clone.


Pete Matos MSG #421, 07-12-2012 12:01 AM
      That thing is looking freaking amazing man.....you've got some mad fabrication and bodywork skills. Peace

Pete


satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #422, 07-12-2012 12:05 AM
      Nice pillars and fender.

Put me down as a no vote on the fast bumper. It needs to be more MadMax IMO similar to the rear bumper area.

On the other hand if you do it up all custom maybe it would come out OK.


Car-Lo MSG #423, 07-12-2012 12:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Looking goooooooood !

Great choice on the nose. looks lambo like without being a clone.


Thanks, but now it's to Ferrari-ish looking, that nose was meant for RBS1 with Ferrari style rear bumper ( it's not a clone, just a bad copy)





We'll see what happens with this nose...

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satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #424, 07-12-2012 12:12 AM
     

Car-Lo MSG #425, 07-12-2012 12:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by satinta:

Nice pillars and fender.

Put me down as a no vote on the fast bumper. It needs to be more MadMax IMO similar to the rear bumper area.

On the other hand if you do it up all custom maybe it would come out OK.


Thanks satinta, you're right on it's got to look more MadMax even with some tread showing in the front.

Red marked are opened wheel, I'm thinking tweaking front same as rear

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355Fiero MSG #426, 07-12-2012 01:38 PM
      Car-Lo;

Looking beautiful. Will the rear section of the sail panel remain a vent opening into the engine bay area? That shape where the rear section of the sail panel looks like it would really accept an opening well. You can have the side window flat as you have in your drawing and then an opening on the outside of that.

Looking great and keep posting with the updates.

Cheers
Don


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #427, 07-12-2012 01:57 PM
      Just an idea, on the nose, where the 2 outer holes are if you cut the sides out of them (the outside sides) which would expose the front of the tires, it would make it look like the rear with just the two fangs, (center posts) holding the lower air splitter. It might be a bit of a bugger to stiffen it all up, but it would allow you to use the nose and have it look like the rear of the car.

I am sorry I can't explain it that well, hopefully with your wild imagination you can get what I am saying.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #428, 07-12-2012 02:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
Remember that old Mazda front nose (I had for many years) well, we might use it





I admire people who are thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work.



Ryanstalin (ryanstalin71@gmail.com) MSG #429, 07-12-2012 03:07 PM
      this is one of my favorite threads to watch, the craftwork and skills just go beyond everything I have seen so far. I know you have been working on this a long time. I saved a picture of the sketch. it looks unbelievable. but I dont think Ive seen a motor, or even motor talk. what do we got under this madmax inspired car? however evn tho I dont have much to say, I just wanted to voice my opinion that this is a great looking car. much work is still needed. but I cannot wait to see it completed.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #430, 07-12-2012 03:57 PM
      The motor is a rather perfect, 3800 S/C hooked to a Getrag 5spd, IIRC 3.4 inch pulley, custom exhaust and lots of little things. Engine was put together by Blair a forum member here and local forum member. Blair has since moved out of Fiero's but still does maintance to cars he built for people when they need it.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #431, 07-12-2012 04:03 PM
      There are a few pics of the motor here, http://westcoastfieros.com/...?TID=133&PN=1&TPN=16



Ryanstalin (ryanstalin71@gmail.com) MSG #432, 07-12-2012 04:40 PM
      it is nice. what more of a proper motor then a gm3800sc? def since that car is already looking like a slick fast paced race car.

CETICARS MSG #433, 07-12-2012 05:03 PM
      great job ,what are your plans for side mirrors

Car-Lo MSG #434, 07-13-2012 01:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

Car-Lo;

Looking beautiful. Will the rear section of the sail panel remain a vent opening into the engine bay area? That shape where the rear section of the sail panel looks like it would really accept an opening well. You can have the side window flat as you have in your drawing and then an opening on the outside of that.

Looking great and keep posting with the updates.

Cheers
Don


Thanks Don, you're psychic, that's what I had in mind I'll be doing something like the Aventador scoop at end of sail panel (no clone, we have to say that every time )
Don't forget to drop in when you zip over to mainland.

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Car-Lo MSG #435, 07-13-2012 01:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


I admire people who are thinking outside the box. Keep up the good work.



Thank you so much Madcurl,
with hood overhang we are planing to have lights located something like the Mangusta



Roughly drawn lights in, something to tweak and play with...

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #436, 07-15-2012 04:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you so much Madcurl,
with hood overhang we are planing to have lights located something like the Mangusta



Roughly drawn lights in, something to tweak and play with...





Had to play with that idea what do you think?





Car-Lo MSG #437, 07-18-2012 07:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CETICARS:

great job ,what are your plans for side mirrors


Thanks, motorcycle mirrors on ebay $29 US, if I use them I'll fabricate mounts (same as RBS1)





Added panel under pillar to make it kook beefy and finished



Playing with scoop mock up





Trimmed old RBS sail panel to fit RBS2



Difference between stock and RBS2 it's half size

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Car-Lo MSG #438, 07-18-2012 08:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


Had to play with that idea what do you think?




It's to Ferrai-ish, (not that there's anything wrong with it) at least we tried again .

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Car-Lo MSG #439, 07-19-2012 08:02 PM
      Here's the scoop...













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RumbleB MSG #440, 07-19-2012 08:14 PM
      All I can say is , WOW! Great superior work going on here. Cant wait to see what you do to that rear deck lid!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #441, 07-21-2012 12:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Here's the scoop...







All I can say is, "beautiful" and it's 100% better than all Fieros built (including mine). This is what you call, "using your brain" and avoiding the pitfalls of building a replica. Use your own imagination and run with it for anything that is made of figer glass can be tweaked and shaped anyway your mind takes you. Keep up the good work.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #442, 07-21-2012 12:35 PM
      Do my Fiero next! lol

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #443, 07-21-2012 12:44 PM
      I am digging that scoop, I was going to try something similar but was not sure how it looks, I think with the faceted look of your car it looks way better than what i would have been able to come up with on mine!

carnut122 MSG #444, 07-21-2012 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Do my Fiero next! lol


Hey buddy, the back of the line is back there!


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #445, 07-21-2012 01:19 PM
      Actually on that topic, John I came across a can of Body Pro Body Filler and a Tube of Cream Hardener that were left over from when you and Clynt did the nose and hood on my car. Is that the stuff I should use to fill in a small crack and a chip in the foam. I nicked a parking block when I pulled up too far. Its really small about the size of... uh.. if it were soft like clay and you took a pencil and pressed it into it. (1/4 inch wide, 1/8 inch deep) The crack is just a hairline crack. I could probably paint over it and sand it which would hide it, but I would like to seal it up so the crack does not get bigger.

P.S. loving the new layouts on the car. The rear side scoop, are you going to fill in around it so it looks like it is part of the sail panel area, or leave it like it is an added on part. In my taste it should be molded into the panel to look like its part of the panel. But thats just my taste. (which as you know can be pretty poor at times)

David



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #446, 07-22-2012 12:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


It's to Ferrai-ish, (not that there's anything wrong with it) at least we tried again .



Yah it seems that the nose of RBS is the hardest thing to change the rest of the car has been easier it seems to find what you want to do with it.
I'm sure you will figure out something just keep tweaking it.



Car-Lo MSG #447, 07-22-2012 03:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


All I can say is, "beautiful" and it's 100% better than all Fieros built (including mine). This is what you call, "using your brain" and avoiding the pitfalls of building a replica. Use your own imagination and run with it for anything that is made of figer glass can be tweaked and shaped anyway your mind takes you. Keep up the good work.


Thank you so much for the complement Madcurl I'm not sure about that, RBS2 is on a very low budget, has no bling, no performance parts and used old Fiero body parts
At the end it will be RAT ROD Category

Anyway I got my inspiration from your first widebody, chop top #15 I had to have one to and built RBS1


 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Actually on that topic, John I came across a can of Body Pro Body Filler and a Tube of Cream Hardener that were left over from when you and Clynt did the nose and hood on my car. Is that the stuff I should use to fill in a small crack and a chip in the foam. I nicked a parking block when I pulled up too far. Its really small about the size of... uh.. if it were soft like clay and you took a pencil and pressed it into it. (1/4 inch wide, 1/8 inch deep) The crack is just a hairline crack. I could probably paint over it and sand it which would hide it, but I would like to seal it up so the crack does not get bigger.

P.S. loving the new layouts on the car. The rear side scoop, are you going to fill in around it so it looks like it is part of the sail panel area, or leave it like it is an added on part. In my taste it should be molded into the panel to look like its part of the panel. But thats just my taste. (which as you know can be pretty poor at times)

David




I'll have to zip over this week with fiberglass and patch up your nose (body filler won't hold to good.

About the scoop and sail panel, I'm not to sure what you're saying it will look like this sample, but with RBS2 design...

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #448, 07-22-2012 04:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
I'll have to zip over this week with fiberglass and patch up your nose (body filler won't hold to good.

About the scoop and sail panel, I'm not to sure what you're saying it will look like this sample, but with RBS2 design...





Oh John don't worry about it, the tiny spot in the nose is barley noticeable and the amount that I drive it is minimal. Its something that I might have worked on later this summer. To be honest it can be put off till next summer or late fall. We are just finishing up Damian's Fiero and my Fiero with the new motors, then a bunch of fine tuning to both cars. Then I have to do the Wifes Blazer before I can even touch my 4.9 Fiero, and at that, I have to do the engine tweaking before I start on the body stuff.

You just get yours done, I am really eager to see it completed.

As to the scoop, the one you posted as an example is perfect the lines of the scoop and gaps around it are even with the other panels which looks good. If that is what you are going to do with the scoop you installed and have RBS flare to it, it will look great. You can even see if you can direct some of that air over the supercharger housing. That is the biggest problem with our 3.8 SC is heat soak in the blower especially if stopped in traffic in or around Vancouver. Don't ya just love construction season. LOL.



Car-Lo MSG #449, 07-22-2012 09:01 PM
      Little up date...
Clynt heating hood hinges to be bent to fit



Welding hinges



Hood overhang tilts great



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #450, 07-22-2012 10:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you so much for the complement Madcurl I'm not sure about that, RBS2 is on a very low budget, has no bling, no performance parts and used old Fiero body parts
At the end it will be RAT ROD Category

Anyway I got my inspiration from your first widebody, chop top #15 I had to have one to and built RBS1



Thanks. I don't think RBS2 is a "rat rod" based upon your drawing and the wheels match the design too.



As for #015 I can't wait to get it into the shop for I have plenty of new ideas that will turn the Fiero world on its ear. Like you, I used each car as a base for more elaborate ideas and I think #015 will exceed my expectations way beyond #020.


Car-Lo MSG #451, 07-23-2012 08:35 PM
      Today stopped raining so we pulled RBS2 outside for final sanding foam on doors (this week is fiberglassing doors)





Started raining back into the garage...
Using my favourite tool fitting door to body





Car-Lo MSG #452, 07-24-2012 10:23 PM
      Roughed in drivers side scoop





Visualizing scoop with sail panel





Today finally finished the final sanding foam from yesterday's final sanding...



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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #453, 07-24-2012 11:05 PM
     

John this is freaking incredible !

i am like dizzy with awe.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #454, 07-24-2012 11:13 PM
      Looking pretty sharp there John.



Bloozberry MSG #455, 07-25-2012 07:42 AM
      Very inspiring work there Car-Lo. Most designs lose something in the transition from the sketch pad to the rubber... yours is still true to form. The only criticism I would offer is against the scoops... the window line is too clean IMHO to break it up with them.

Car-Lo MSG #456, 07-25-2012 04:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:

Very inspiring work there Car-Lo. Most designs lose something in the transition from the sketch pad to the rubber... yours is still true to form. The only criticism I would offer is against the scoops... the window line is too clean IMHO to break it up with them.


Thank you so much Bloozberry for your comments and suggestion, I had no choice to add scoop at the end, the sail panel is 8" shorter than opening and since RBS2 is on a very low budget it was cheaper to add scoops instead of new sail panels. Anyway I like the little ears sticking out, it feels cool



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #457, 07-25-2012 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you so much Bloozberry for your comments and suggestion, I had no choice to add scoop at the end, the sail panel is 8" shorter than opening and since RBS2 is on a very low budget it was cheaper to add scoops instead of new sail panels. Anyway I like the little ears sticking out, it feels cool



me likee the scoopees too !


Car-Lo MSG #458, 07-25-2012 06:00 PM
      Playing with front fenders...
I always wanted to do this to RBS1 but never did, so now with RBS2 I added 1" adapters to kick out the front wheels to match the rear better.

With 1" adapters



With rough wider fender add on



The front and back was lowered 1" (back is finished) now front has to be tweaked by raising hight of fender as shown



This way it also has hump over wheel







madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #459, 07-25-2012 06:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:



Ahh, this is sweet!


Car-Lo MSG #460, 07-25-2012 08:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Ahh, this is sweet!


Thanks Madcurl, it's slowly shaping into something

The latest profile shot this afternoon...





Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #461, 07-25-2012 08:46 PM
      Their is a reason men like humping so much, Screams OH GAWD That is So GOOD. The humping on the front end is the icing on the cake. That will get err set your car off totally.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #462, 07-25-2012 11:21 PM
      That is a supercar !

The bar has been raised so high, the next guy may need a helicopter.

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Car-Lo MSG #463, 07-26-2012 10:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

That is a supercar !

The bar has been raised so high, the next guy may need a helicopter.



Thanks Tony, bring it down a little below ground level, for I am Bozo the clown

Back to play...
Today I had to tweak flowing line higher to meet front open wheel

Before





Sanding flowing line higher



Red mark showing open wheel



After that Clynt showed up and we had to mock up front end to make sure everything lines up







Red mark showing roughly open wheel





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Reallybig MSG #464, 07-27-2012 04:21 AM
      I thought you were crazy for cutting up RBS1...but this is crazy awesome! I like the scoops too...and now that I know their purpose is resourcefulness, I like them even more! Very creative!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #465, 07-27-2012 06:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Really big:

I thought you were crazy for cutting up RBS1...but this is crazy awesome! I like the scoops too...and now that I know their purpose is resourcefulness, I like them even more! Very creative!


"YOU" think he was crazy, I had the opportunity to help him work on RBS 1.0 and 1.5 as well as drive it a couple times and see the car in person several times on club runs, when he took the sawzall to the car, it just about broke my heart. I thought he was NUTS and well frankly I think he is a little crazy, but that is why his designs come out so cool. There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity. Between him and Clynt I think they are both really good at walking the tight rope.

The one positive thing about the whole mess is that several of RBS 1.0 and 1.5's body panels live on. I have the rear deck lid on my 87GT as well as his raised rear spoiler. I also have the extended Nose from RBS 1.0. Dawg another forum member has the awesome hood from RBS 1.5 with the big vent in it. Clynt has the wheels from RBS 1.0 on his Chopper Wide Body. So really the only parts that got totally destroyed from RBS was the rear clip and I believe stock rear bumper.

It is sheer delight having John near us and able to help the local guys with club stuff. Also Clynt with his great engine knowledge saved my bacon on my V8 when I spent days trying to get the thing to start only to have Clynt point out that I had the fuel Feed line going into the return side of the fuel injection. (oops) Some day I would like to make a Purple Pavement eater clone out of my 87GT using Clynts design of a Turbo on his 4.9 and Johns help chopping the rear clip to look like a Notch back.

John that car is looking better every time I see it and every time I see it I think OMG it cant' get any better, yet you exceed every expectation every time. P.S. I think the heat is getting too you today, I don't know what the Humidex was but it was 30+ here in the garage. Damian's car finally left here today, his new engine is awesome. Even though its not supercharged I think it will give your car a run for its money in the performance aspect.

Have fun and try to stay cool with such a hot car its going to be hard.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #466, 07-27-2012 09:01 AM
      This has I be my favorite build thread! This Fiero is going to rock the custom Car world, not as just a custom fiero but as a custom car overall. Fantastic work Car-Lo ! I hope you make at least one car show in the states so we can see this work of art in person.

serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #467, 07-27-2012 11:28 PM
      Maybe I missed it... Didn't you shave the front frame a bit to let the hood angle down more? Is that hidden under the temporary double fender?

I must check this thread like 4 times a day for updates. :-)


Car-Lo MSG #468, 07-28-2012 01:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

This has I be my favorite build thread! This Fiero is going to rock the custom Car world, not as just a custom fiero but as a custom car overall. Fantastic work Car-Lo ! I hope you make at least one car show in the states so we can see this work of art in person.


Thank you so much Troyboy, it means a lot from #1 topgun
As for car shows in states maybe Washington, Oregon and maybe visit Madcurl

 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

Maybe I missed it... Didn't you shave the front frame a bit to let the hood angle down more? Is that hidden under the temporary double fender?

I must check this thread like 4 times a day for updates. :-)


Front frame was lowered 2" and 2"shorter, red circles showing difference with stock fender and lower hood.



We curved fender tip down 2" to frame and hood is also bend with same curve, it's subtle and make big difference with overall view
Not hidden, notice curve on silver fender pic below, it has more curve than pic above showing stock fender with little curve and 2" higher that hood.



Notice silver fender curving low to front



Hope that helps a bit


rodrieguz (rodrieguz@yahoo.com) MSG #469, 07-28-2012 10:05 AM
      all I can say is WOW! I've been watching this thread from the begining in aw. this build is similar to some sketches I drew in hopes of building a fiero one day. I'm very impressed with what you acomplished

355Fiero MSG #470, 07-29-2012 02:27 AM
      John;

Does the door front edge still end in the same place as oem? I am asking to confirm when opening the door that there are no clearance issues with the reconfigured front fender. Lots of replicas end up with this issue so clearance needs to be thought about for full open position. I think u have that covered as I see the door open in a couple pics. Something to think about is all.

This car is looking incredible. You and Cliff are doing a fantastic job.

Cheers
Don


serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #471, 07-29-2012 02:08 PM
      Ok. I see it now. I'm interested in seeing how you're going to form that negative space on both sides of the front wheel. Especially on the front there where we're talking about.
Is the front lip of the hood going to be the front-most point?


Car-Lo MSG #472, 07-30-2012 12:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

John;

Does the door front edge still end in the same place as oem? I am asking to confirm when opening the door that there are no clearance issues with the reconfigured front fender. Lots of replicas end up with this issue so clearance needs to be thought about for full open position. I think u have that covered as I see the door open in a couple pics. Something to think about is all.

This car is looking incredible. You and Cliff are doing a fantastic job.

Cheers
Don


Thanks Don, yes Clynt has figured out clearance issue, there will be an overlap on outside edge of door to cover gap when door is closed.
RBS2 has Lambo doors and only open about 10"-12" and up, the pivot point is further out than stock hinges and maybe not as much of issue I think
I'll post pics of that when we get there.
EDIT: Bozo has goofed, just checked RBS2 Lambo doors open is 18" (not 10"-12")

 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

Ok. I see it now. I'm interested in seeing how you're going to form that negative space on both sides of the front wheel. Especially on the front there where we're talking about.
Is the front lip of the hood going to be the front-most point?


serrata you are so observant and good questions, about that negative space I'm not sure that will work or not, we are tweaking as we go.
Yes the front hood is the longest point, no nose just a lower front wing for the bottom front we'll see where this goes


Back to play...
Fiberglass foam doors using 2 oz matt









Looking at capping opening on rear panel, notice raw fiberglass door and only opens 10"-12" NOT it's 18"



We started to cut out and fit fastback pillars liners

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serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #473, 07-30-2012 07:20 PM
      That is so awesome.
How are you bonding the new fiberglass to the existing door? Do you have to scuff up the existing panel where the two will meet and then the resin just adheres?

I'm taking a lot of notes on technique since I've never used fiberglass before and I'll need it soon.

I really love the attention to the lines across the entire length of the car. So often I see adhoc additions that look neat by themselves but added to others just destroy the overall lines. Yours is perfection. Thank you for documenting this so well. Reading this is an addiction.


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #474, 07-30-2012 08:02 PM
      Great job !!!

I think is great how you cut the fiberglass and cut the upper n lower pieces separate.
I wish I would have done that when I was working on mine....

How many layers of 2 oz mat did you use ?

Here are a couple of pics of mine
http://centralfloridafieros...p?topic=2000.new#new
Your car has been a huge inspiration to me,
Thanks for answering so many of my questions


Car-Lo MSG #475, 07-31-2012 01:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

That is so awesome.
How are you bonding the new fiberglass to the existing door? Do you have to scuff up the existing panel where the two will meet and then the resin just adheres?



Thanks, the bottom edge between fiberglass and door I really rough it up with 40 grid and used a bead of Pliogrip as shown on pic that will hold.
Top edge is fiberglass on fiberglass so that's okay.



Is this the negative space




 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Great job !!!

I think is great how you cut the fiberglass and cut the upper n lower pieces separate.
I wish I would have done that when I was working on mine....

How many layers of 2 oz mat did you use ?

Here are a couple of pics of mine
http://centralfloridafieros...p?topic=2000.new#new
Your car has been a huge inspiration to me,
Thanks for answering so many of my questions

Thanks, and thanks to you, I'm learning about matt weights since fiberglass is over foam I'm just trying single layer of 2 oz matt
Thanks for sharing your build (so you're building RBS3 I see )


Sanding fiberglass door smoother



infinitewill MSG #476, 07-31-2012 10:23 AM
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Sharkman MSG #477, 07-31-2012 06:32 PM
      Great inpiration. I will use some of it on my new build.



Andreeas (andreeas@skyddsteknik.se) MSG #478, 07-31-2012 06:45 PM
      At least two Swedes enjoy this thread!!

You and your friends got skills!!!



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #479, 07-31-2012 07:57 PM
      Id like to enjoy 2 sweds, send her and her friend over!! ...............Oh come on you all were thinking it

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Andreeas (andreeas@skyddsteknik.se) MSG #480, 08-01-2012 02:04 PM
      I'm really curious how this Fiero will end up...

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TheRealShadowX (therealshadowx@gmail.com) MSG #481, 08-01-2012 05:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Andreeas:

Jetsnvettes: I don't know what sweds are, but I suppose you mean female swedes? The two Swedes I mean are guys, maybe you want them anyway?



(Kelso voice) BUUURN!!!!


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #482, 08-01-2012 06:01 PM
      LOL, maybe its a Swedish thing then, my Grandfather immigrated to Canada from Sweden.

OK back on track, John, I have said it a million times, but the car is looking great. I am assume you are taking advantage of the great weather the next few days. Its sitting at 26 here in Surrey.



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #483, 08-01-2012 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Andreeas:

Jetsnvettes: I don't know what sweds are, but I suppose you mean female swedes? The two Swedes I mean are guys, maybe you want them anyway?

Car-Lo: sorry for this, but I just had to...


DOh... Typo lol yes I mean FEMALE. and I did state HER and HER friend....... Just look at the pics of Sharkmans fiero with that model, two of those please OK back to topic.


Car-Lo, How well does that glue you are using stick to the fiero fender? I am curious about after its flexed for awhile I am guessing you used it on the car the last time you did work? I am wondering based on a few things I am working on too maybe it will work for what I am working on ?

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #484, 08-01-2012 11:48 PM
      More pics. Less talk.



Car-Lo MSG #485, 08-02-2012 12:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Id like to enjoy 2 sweds, send her and her friend over!! ...............Oh come on you all were thinking it



All clowns are welcomed, I love those sweds



Add thin layer of Everglass (since it's fiberglass)



Cut out piece to fit roughly in side panel opening and used Pliogrip



A layer of Evercoat over SMC body panels





Sanded down



Angled overlap, ( front will be the opposite )

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Car-Lo MSG #486, 08-02-2012 12:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:


DOh... Typo lol yes I mean FEMALE. and I did state HER and HER friend....... Just look at the pics of Sharkmans fiero with that model, two of those please OK back to topic.


Car-Lo, How well does that glue you are using stick to the fiero fender? I am curious about after its flexed for awhile I am guessing you used it on the car the last time you did work? I am wondering based on a few things I am working on too maybe it will work for what I am working on ?



Is it about Pliogrip, there is a flexible too (bottom pic is not fexible) On RBS1 I used all the wrong materials and it still worked out fine.
Let me know what you'll be using so I can use it too



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #487, 08-02-2012 01:12 AM
      Oh right now I am using the 3m 8115 glue for the basic bonding like your using that stuff for, I was curious out of finding a cheaper product than the 3m since even with my discount still runs me 35 bucks a tube.
After the first bond I am basically doing it like you are with fiberglass mat and resin but not using ever coat I just add more resin and glass and if I need to build up areas mix in micro balloons with ground up fiberglass that I grind up in a mortar. The other reason I am asking about the areas like on the fenders is the 3m glue does not stay flexible and were I am going to secure the headlight buckets down I want to make some sort of bedded area under it with some sort of glue and throw some plastic wrap over it until it cures making a nice surface to put 2 sided tape on like used in the sail windows. That way I can bond the front clip to the fenders yet have it removable without having to pop off the headlight covers on my new nose build. I will try out some of that flexible pliogrip were did you get it from?

So far the body work looks great!


Car-Lo MSG #488, 08-02-2012 01:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by infinitewill:

John,

Your work and vision are amazing You are fearless and braver then most! Thanks for the inspiration!

Dr. W.



Thank you so much for the complements Doc, also the swedes Sharkman and Andreeas (I'm also from Europe )

Thank you all for inspiring me too


Car-Lo MSG #489, 08-02-2012 01:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Oh right now I am using the 3m 8115 glue for the basic bonding like your using that stuff for, I was curious out of finding a cheaper product than the 3m since even with my discount still runs me 35 bucks a tube.
After the first bond I am basically doing it like you are with fiberglass mat and resin but not using ever coat I just add more resin and glass and if I need to build up areas mix in micro balloons with ground up fiberglass that I grind up in a mortar. The other reason I am asking about the areas like on the fenders is the 3m glue does not stay flexible and were I am going to secure the headlight buckets down I want to make some sort of bedded area under it with some sort of glue and throw some plastic wrap over it until it cures making a nice surface to put 2 sided tape on like used in the sail windows. That way I can bond the front clip to the fenders yet have it removable without having to pop off the headlight covers on my new nose build. I will try out some of that flexible pliogrip were did you get it from?

So far the body work looks great!


Clynt used the flexible Pliogrip to widen rear bumper, we get it here at Lordco in BC Canada.



jetsnvettes2000 you're doing some extreme surgery there with very nice body parts to play with

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/088834.html

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jetsnvettes2000 MSG #490, 08-02-2012 06:31 PM
      Thanks! I will look for that stuff locally, I think that may just do the trick!

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #491, 08-03-2012 10:10 AM
      I've just been lurking for a while, gotta' say WOW!!!

Joe


Sharkman MSG #492, 08-03-2012 03:00 PM
      a question about the chop.
Did you let the windshield stay in during the cuting and then changed to the Mazda windshield? Or did you place the Mazda windshield direct when you did the second chop.

Hope you understod my question.


Car-Lo MSG #493, 08-03-2012 11:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

a question about the chop.
Did you let the windshield stay in during the cuting and then changed to the Mazda windshield? Or did you place the Mazda windshield direct when you did the second chop.

Hope you understod my question.


No, the second chop was done old school the roof had to be made wider to fit Mazda windshield (top of windshield is 2" wider. We had a donor roof and used front and back roof pieces
sleeved into existing roof to make roof wider (rear pillars stayed same angle for 2" chop), We used Mazda windshield frame direct on while tweaking it to fit.

Hope that helps a bit ?


Sharkman MSG #494, 08-04-2012 03:44 PM
      Thanks. I was thinking of the best way to place a S60 windscreen in when i do my next car. That windscreen is 90cm about 35.5" from top to bottom in the center. That will place the bottom about where the hood lock is on my car, if you know what i mean.
How far did yours reach?


Car-Lo MSG #495, 08-05-2012 12:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Thanks. I was thinking of the best way to place a S60 windscreen in when i do my next car. That windscreen is 90cm about 35.5" from top to bottom in the center. That will place the bottom about where the hood lock is on my car, if you know what i mean.
How far did yours reach?


Sharkman, tomorrow I'll get that info with pics. What is S60 windscreen ?


Back to play...
Clynt is always checking my work (he is too fussy )



Started to butcher up hood #4 or 5



Cutting across hood to bend hood curve slope down



Pliogrip cuts, notice 2x4 on each side of rad to help bend hood when closed



Blocks of wood to weigh down hood, 2x4 still under hood for bending





Using cut off wheel to make space under hood for headlights (I hate power tools )





End of day...

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serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #496, 08-05-2012 01:21 AM
      Nice. Will the pliogrip alone hold it? It seems like there is a lot of tension. The angle of the hood looks much better now.

Sharkman MSG #497, 08-05-2012 04:17 AM
      The windscreen I am Going to use is from Volvo S60/V70N.
My daily drive so it was easy to messure.


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #498, 08-05-2012 09:03 AM
      Howdy!! I have noticed you hate the power tools for cutting! me too so I tried this and it works tons better and gives me total control of really fine cuts, just like you yesterday I cut off the headlight door mounts under the hood!

The right angle grinder came from Home Depot 15 dollars, the metal cut wheel came from harbor freight 6 pack for 5 bucks and the speed cut wheel and the spindle can be found online at mc-master carr they have a bunch of different sizes and are really thin for fine cuts also super cheap. Try them out I think you will like them so much safer using the air than the electric.



On the spindle I stack up cad washers to bring the wheel out closer to the end of the shaft making it fit in tight spots easier.
NOW GET TO WORK!!!

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Car-Lo MSG #499, 08-06-2012 12:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Howdy!! I have noticed you hate the power tools for cutting! me too so I tried this and it works tons better and gives me total control of really fine cuts, just like you yesterday I cut off the headlight door mounts under the hood!

The right angle grinder came from Home Depot 15 dollars, the metal cut wheel came from harbor freight 6 pack for 5 bucks and the speed cut wheel and the spindle can be found online at mc-master carr they have a bunch of different sizes and are really thin for fine cuts also super cheap. Try them out I think you will like them so much safer using the air than the electric.



On the spindle I stack up cad washers to bring the wheel out closer to the end of the shaft making it fit in tight spots easier.
NOW GET TO WORK!!!



Thanks for the tip, that tool looks even meaner I'll see what Clynt thinks, it's his fingers

NOW BACK TO WORK...
Cynt had an emergency with his bubble top, it was over heating badly, so RBS2 was a parts car
We installed Champion 3 row rad, rad overflow tank, windshield tank and some brackets all from poor RBS2





Finished with Clynt's ride and we made a rough mock up for front end (the negative zone)









Dexter is the family dog watching over RBS2



Clynt started to fabricate upper brackets for front wing







We had a good day...

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #500, 08-06-2012 12:51 AM
      Because we don't have Harbor Freight in BC, its pretty much the same as Princess Auto up here. I've personally never heard of Mc Master Carr but I am sure Princess has similar stuff.

Side note, before anyone asks what the extra bits in Clynt's bubble top are, he is one of the lucky ones to have Electro Hydraulic Power Steering in his car. Not one of the OEM kits, but one he designed himself. Works really well.

Side note, John I can't believe you worked on the car today, it was so freaking hot here, I just said forget it and Lisa, Arianna and I went swimming for the day. When we got back I went to the garage and the garage thermostat read 35C even with both doors open it only dropped it to 34 after a half hour. We were really thinking about going to the Pride Parade today, but just too freaking hot.

OK now you can get back to work, LOL. Car is looking great.



mram10 MSG #501, 08-06-2012 09:22 AM
      Great project! You have given me some great ideas. I have read through this thread a couple times and cannot find the tire and wheel specs. Am I missing them? Please post, because I really like them.

Edit: Thanks Dre, I missed it. I am building a Murci replica and an 88 right now, and I am considering selling the murci and focusing on the 88 after seeing what can be done. Great job again guys!

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Andreeas (andreeas@skyddsteknik.se) MSG #502, 08-06-2012 11:07 AM
      mram10: page 4...

"There has been interest on the specs of the offset of the wheels and the size of the adapters.

The offset of the Axis wheels 20 X 10.5 inches is +35 and that was for a Nissan 350Z 5x114.3mm.

Adapter is 5x100 to 5x114.3 and the thickness I have ordered was 1.50"

and Car-Lo also added:

"Thanks Lincoln for helping out, just adding bit more info...

AXIS MATRIX

Front: 18X8 Michelin 245/35ZR Rear: 20X10-1/2 Michelin 325X25ZR"

I think they are the ones...



Car-Lo MSG #503, 08-06-2012 02:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

Nice. Will the pliogrip alone hold it? It seems like there is a lot of tension. The angle of the hood looks much better now.


Not to good, I have to grind off Pliogrip today and fiberglass cuts



 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Thanks. I was thinking of the best way to place a S60 windscreen in when i do my next car. That windscreen is 90cm about 35.5" from top to bottom in the center. That will place the bottom about where the hood lock is on my car, if you know what i mean.
How far did yours reach?


It's 37-3/4" beyond thunderdome



Sharkman MSG #504, 08-06-2012 08:47 PM
      Thanks

andreww MSG #505, 08-07-2012 10:25 AM
      Can you imagine how well the Fiero would have sold if the Pontiac designers had made it look like your car Carlo? Even though I love the original design, I always felt that it should have been a bit mor "cab forward", with a shorter front and longer rear. Also the original is far too high, with too much space in the wheel wells. Your design seems to be taking care of every one of my peeves! Good job mate!

Car-Lo MSG #506, 08-07-2012 09:54 PM
      Getting ready to fiberglass hood (Pliogrip didn't do to well ) got hood bent and curved pretty good
also glassed in headlight openings





Clynt is alway's checking





Cutting old Mazda bumper to separate bottom wing to visualize only (we will fabricate new wing)







Visualizing front wing, I'll be extending hood about 2-1/2" to 3" with new Mad Max design







carnut122 MSG #507, 08-07-2012 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Getting ready to fiberglass hood (Pliogrip didn't do to well ) got hood bent and curved pretty good
also glassed in headlight openings





Man, that is slick!

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RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #508, 08-08-2012 12:18 AM
      Car-lo,
I don't own a fiero any longer, as a matter of fact all my toys are gone! I must say out of all the construction zone this is the best project that I have seen JMHO! If you ever decide to visit madcurl please let me know as you have to past right by me to see him. I can't wait to see the end of this one. One off and too sweet!!!

Keep up the good work and keep the pics rolling


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #509, 08-08-2012 01:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Getting ready to fiberglass hood (Pliogrip didn't do to well ) got hood bent and curved pretty good
also glassed in headlight openings
[QUOTE}

How well did your resin stick to the black paint around the the areas that you re fiberglassed? I had issues with my hood when it came to that so I ended up re grinding down to bare glass to get it to stick better.Especially around the headlight doors, I also had to bevel the top and bottom of the door and hood around the opening seam in a hour glass sort of shape to lock in the headlight door. so it can't flex and crack out the fiberglass. just a thought for ya to consider.

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Car-Lo MSG #510, 08-08-2012 09:47 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by RUNDLC:

Car-lo,
I don't own a fiero any longer, as a matter of fact all my toys are gone! I must say out of all the construction zone this is the best project that I have seen JMHO! If you ever decide to visit madcurl please let me know as you have to past right by me to see him. I can't wait to see the end of this one. One off and too sweet!!!

Keep up the good work and keep the pics rolling


Thank you so much, you're way to kind, it should be "The cheapest project that I have seen"
Yes, I'm planing to cruze down the coast and see you guys, that will be a cool

 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Car-Lo:

How well did your resin stick to the black paint around the the areas that you re fiberglassed? I had issues with my hood when it came to that so I ended up re grinding down to bare glass to get it to stick better.Especially around the headlight doors, I also had to bevel the top and bottom of the door and hood around the opening seam in a hour glass sort of shape to lock in the headlight door. so it can't flex and crack out the fiberglass. just a thought for ya to consider.



Thanks for the tip if you look closely I did grind all the fiberglass areas and I also used SMC resin, I haven't finished the face side of hood yet, but will do that as you said.



Thanks again for keeping a close eye on this clown, he did butcher up too many hoods


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #511, 08-08-2012 09:53 PM
      Yup I see that now lookin good!

Car-Lo MSG #512, 08-09-2012 10:14 PM
      We had lots of thin wall angle iron perfect for rough mocking up wing, Clynt starting to play with size and shape...







It's a start and lots of tweaking yet







Tomorrow Clynt and I are going shopping for proper iron material to fabricate frames, front and rear wings

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #513, 08-09-2012 10:55 PM
      If I can offer one suggestion, make that splitter out of steel or something. If you don't want the entire front splitter from steel at least make the leading edge of it. We are not talking about a bone splitter hardness, but WAY MORE than fiberglass and foam. I remember the 3 of us having a discussion about the front air splitter we made for my nose. Clynt said Steel frame, I was on the fence about it, and you said the fiberglass would be more than hard enough, so we "I" decided that foam and glass would be good enough. Well the first little tap / nudge I made to a concrete parking block and I put a crack in it. I am a bit worried about going for my 150mph run with it. At 70mph it works amazingly well, even being a bubble top Fiero there is a noticeable difference / improvement in airflow over the car. Don't ask me to explain it, cause I can't but the car just feels more planted, and with the top out, windows down there is considerabley less turbulence around the car.

So please take that into consideration when building your lower wing/ air splitter, we have high parking blocks here, and all it would take is Once, Just Once to forget that its there or not see it and pull up too far and CRUNCH.



Car-Lo MSG #514, 08-09-2012 11:14 PM
      Thanks for suggestion Capt, I think Clynt plans to have some steel there, we'll see ??

Troyboy has this for under control (Mad Max material )



Hey Capt. do you want to join Clynt and I tomorrow morning to Langley for material and after that visit Blair for Latte ?
Anyway we can pick you up on the way there (email us) ?

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jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #515, 08-10-2012 01:26 AM
      just an fyi as sick as this car looks right now not even close to done if ya sell this later on down the road i may or may not make the cross continent trip just to slap ya up side the head with a brick lol great build man this would make a killer kit..... can add this to the list of things i will never get/afford

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #516, 08-10-2012 01:27 AM
      also nice use of the rad box lol i have the same one

Car-Lo MSG #517, 08-10-2012 11:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

also nice use of the rad box lol i have the same one


Thanks, the box is finished in silver, blends nice with hood and fenders


Today Clynt and I went to Metal Supermarket in Langley and got nice rec tube 1.500x .500x.065
and after that stopped to visit Blair at this chocolate shop for a latte.

Clynt having fun fabricating front wing frame...





















Bolting rear brackets to RBS2 frame (to have wing removable)



Tack weld rear brackets on wing frame









Another good day...

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #518, 08-11-2012 12:18 AM
     

You guys are ridiculous !!

That means good btw.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #519, 08-11-2012 12:26 AM
      I am really sorry I could not get out to see you guys today, but Lisa had some medical tests to do, and I doubt Metal Mart would have liked having a 2 year old running around their store. She can be a handful just up at the Chocolate shop. Hopefully you and Clynt are coming to the meeting tomorrow. You did remember the club meeting didn't you. We will have some new Special Prizes to be given away at the meeting. Dr.Fiero has officially closed up the "Fiero Hut" and is donating a few items for the door prizes.

@Exotic are you still on our club email list. If so you can expect a meeting reminder in your inbox, LOL. You could always steel an F16 you could probably make it in time for the meeting. You got 21hrs from the time I am posting this.



Car-Lo MSG #520, 08-11-2012 01:48 AM
      Hey Capt, we'll be at meeting, see you guys there

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #521, 08-11-2012 10:38 AM
      lookin' good !

infinitewill MSG #522, 08-11-2012 11:55 AM
      .

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rodrieguz (rodrieguz@yahoo.com) MSG #523, 08-11-2012 08:22 PM
      Never droolled over a build diary as much as this one.

Car-Lo MSG #524, 08-12-2012 01:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rodrieguz:

Never droolled over a build diary as much as this one.


Thank you so much, here's a bit more


Today we started to play with rear wing (but ran out of material) there will be lots of tweaking on this one
trying to fit around everything and still make it look right

A few pics of what's going on, Clynt getting started on rear wings...



First pic below: wings dips are closer



Second pic below: wings dips are further apart





Tail pipes will be moved in-board





I'm still not sure about the overall rear wing look yet we'll have to tweak it more this week.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #525, 08-12-2012 11:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:






Now add a set of Corvette rollers and your all set for the ..High driveway , high curb, and or speed bump. It's a cheep mod but the payoff is big the first time you hit ground.





Car-Lo MSG #526, 08-12-2012 01:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:



Now add a set of Corvette rollers and your all set for the ..High driveway , high curb, and or speed bump. It's a cheep mod but the payoff is big the first time you hit ground.


Thanks troyboy, I have missed that part of your build RBS2 may not need holy rollers, the front is shorter and stock hight than yours.
Today I'll shoot some side shots and hight measurement.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #527, 08-12-2012 01:46 PM
      [QUOTE][B]Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Thanks troyboy, I have missed that part of your build RBS2 may not need holly rollers, the front is shorter and stock hight than yours.
Today I'll shoot some side shots and hight measurement.


If you can use the Madcurl Coke can test and I will do the same tommorrow when I'm at Archie's .


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #528, 08-12-2012 11:05 PM
      Those wheels and frame are a really good idea i am going to have to steal it

Car-Lo MSG #529, 08-13-2012 01:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


If you can use the Madcurl Coke can test and I will do the same tommorrow when I'm at Archie's .


Great idea, will do !

 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Those wheels and frame are a really good idea i am going to have to steal it


Troyboy needs wheelies on the back too with that supercharged V8

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Car-Lo MSG #530, 08-13-2012 02:06 AM
      Today Antony (nephew) and I turned RBS2 around so we can view front end and work on it better.



Clynt and I decided to move hood 3" forward, so we don't have to extend hood, cutting old hinges off



Welding hinges new location 3" forward (using old hood with headlight openings, so we can see what we're doing)





Then we jumped to finish front wing, cutting material...





Adding cross members on front wing





Jumping back to hood opens nice







It was a long day





satinta (cudaone@cox.net) MSG #531, 08-13-2012 01:51 PM
      I can imagine driving by that scene and saying to myself, oh look, there's a Fiero..

WAIT!!!!! WHAT THE HECK IS THAT!!!!!

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Bloozberry MSG #532, 08-13-2012 06:13 PM
      This thing is looking more evil everyday. Keep up the great work.

(But for his sake, you should insist Clynt use eye protection when welding... he'll live to regret not using it.)


Sourmug MSG #533, 08-13-2012 11:41 PM
      Car-Lo and Clynt:

Just a note to say thanks for taking the time to post all the pictures that you do of the work in progress! It will be an excellent resource for all of us who modify our cars.

Nolan

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Car-Lo MSG #534, 08-15-2012 11:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:

This thing is looking more evil everyday. Keep up the great work.

(But for his sake, you should insist Clynt use eye protection when welding... he'll live to regret not using it.)


Thanks Bloozberry for the complement, it's getting there

About Clynt, I'm afraid it's too LATE




 
quote
Originally posted by Sourmug:

Car-Lo and Clynt:

Just a note to say thanks for taking the time to post all the pictures that you do of the work in progress! It will be an excellent resource for all of us who modify our cars.

Nolan



Thanks Sourmug, when ever RBS2 is finished I'd like to take a round trip to Calgary (see your perfect ride), to Edmonton (see family), to Jasper and back home.

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Car-Lo MSG #535, 08-16-2012 01:48 AM
      Today Clynt and I started tweaking rear wings again, working around without altering existing exhaust system (that budget thing)
just moving exhaust tips in board, mocking up again...



Tweaking



















Wings look like ZZ Top logo



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Sharkman MSG #536, 08-16-2012 05:56 PM
      Your tread inspired me to really start my next build.
And after I seen you cut wild I got the guts to do the same.
Chop chop ;0)


carnut122 MSG #537, 08-16-2012 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Your tread inspired me to really start my next build.
And after I seen you cut wild I got the guts to do the same.
Chop chop ;0)


I agree. If I keep watching this thread, I may do something crazy.


Car-Lo MSG #538, 08-16-2012 11:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Your tread inspired me to really start my next build.
And after I seen you cut wild I got the guts to do the same.
Chop chop ;0)


WOW, good for you but your old ride is so perfect


Today's playing...

Taped mark to trim deck lid



Trimmed



Taped pieces to cut from hood scrap



Pieces cut, sanded and Pliogrip on



Pliogrip back stop



Then cut out pieces from roof scrap



Pliogrip on pillars





Sanding flush to pillars



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Reallybig MSG #539, 08-17-2012 12:37 AM
      I always get excited when this thread is at the top of the construction zone...it usually means something great happened today! And today is no exception! Keep up the amazing work Car-lo

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #540, 08-17-2012 01:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:






Looking excellent Car-Lo.


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #541, 08-17-2012 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:





oh...sorry was I drooling? Love that tail !!!


Car-Lo MSG #542, 08-17-2012 10:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:


oh...sorry was I drooling? Love that tail !!!


Thanks Stevie Wonder , I'll be doing a Mad Max wedge lip spoiler
We'll have to hook up when ever you zip up here or next year when I cruise down the west coast (to visit Madcurl)


Today I had to go out, so I didn't do much just clean out RBS2



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #543, 08-18-2012 11:06 PM
      SO hey I went to the automotive store today to see if they had that Pilogrip...They do! but.... it cost more than the 3m glue here I grabbed some anyway to compare the two I am curious about the difference! I think ill try it out at work we have lots of scrap stuff i can destroy for fun!

Are the bumper frames you made internal structure? are they going to be covered by formed fiberglass? I was curious they look cool so far!!


Car-Lo MSG #544, 08-18-2012 11:37 PM
      Finishing lower rear wing...









Trimming frame rails (make room for lower wing)







We taped paper on lower wing to visualize ( not to look too goofy )



Lower wing still needs tweaking and after play with upper wing





Car-Lo MSG #545, 08-18-2012 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

SO hey I went to the automotive store today to see if they had that Pilogrip...They do! but.... it cost more than the 3m glue here I grabbed some anyway to compare the two I am curious about the difference! I think ill try it out at work we have lots of scrap stuff i can destroy for fun!

Are the bumper frames you made internal structure? are they going to be covered by formed fiberglass? I was curious they look cool so far!!


It's probably the same stuff

Yes, Clynt's work will be covered foam and fiberglass and it does look cool as is ready for battle

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #546, 08-20-2012 01:51 PM
      Just messing around with it any ideas that you like?



Car-Lo MSG #547, 08-20-2012 02:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Just messing around with it any ideas that you like?



NO, try again it's to nice and domesticated looking, you have to think Mad Max, evil, sharp angles and all blacked out rear


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #548, 08-20-2012 02:59 PM
      I was gonna say probably a dark coloured heat shield to cover up the muffler and piping but if you are truely going Mad Max, maybe leaving that exposed is a good idea.



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #549, 08-20-2012 04:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


NO, try again it's to nice and domesticated looking, you have to think Mad Max, evil, sharp angles and all blacked out rear


Mad Max version



Had to put some bumper pads on it




Car-Lo MSG #550, 08-20-2012 05:15 PM
      Much better the upper part is still to tame (get rid of those lights) there is going to be mesh between them
EDIT: Just the rear is all blacked out, not the whole body, no bumper pads (remember think EVIL )

 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

I was gonna say probably a dark coloured heat shield to cover up the muffler and piping but if you are truely going Mad Max, maybe leaving that exposed is a good idea.



Rear will be raw and exposed (she likes that)

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Car-Lo MSG #551, 08-21-2012 02:17 PM
      Tweaking rocker panel design, the old wasn't evil enough...



Sketch overlay...



Playing with rough mock ups



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nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #552, 08-21-2012 06:08 PM
      Just from a technical and fabricating perspective; the work being done is beyond impressive

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #553, 08-22-2012 08:36 AM
      Sometimes I'm a bit too literal but thought what the hell why not



from this pic



A better idea maybe?




Car-Lo MSG #554, 08-22-2012 11:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nightonfire:

Just from a technical and fabricating perspective; the work being done is beyond impressive


Thank you so much nightonfire


Today Clynt showed up and finished welding front wing (it was only tacked together )



Bolting wing on, test fitting front brackets he made today (rear brackets made last week)



It's a bummer



Cutting more sheet metal for headlights again







Headlights





We're going with the Mad Max looks for the rocker panel scoops







madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #555, 08-22-2012 11:31 PM
      What happened to the RX headlamps? The ones in the pictures look more like fog lamps in that location and you might get pulled over for them being so low, especially if under 24" in CA.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #556, 08-23-2012 01:08 PM
      Curly has a point, I believe there is a height law here in BC about lights, and I don't know the exact limit off the top of my head. Now the grey area is, the cops don't enforce it, unless you give them a reason to, or they are having a bad day. Case in Point Clynt's side windows, or people with no front plate. So long as the cops love you, its no harm no foul. However get into an accident where ICBC can claim that its your fault because of the lights and you might be in for a world of hurt. (for those that don't know ICBC is our government car insurance)

Now on to the good chat. That is looking mean, and I love it. Kinda reminds me of an early 80's pro ralley car, or some serious exotic race car. With all the body mods, have you thought about building a fiberglass box to house a proper cold air intake for the motor. Would be kinda cool if you could turn one of the scoops into an echo chamber for the supercharger, really scare people when you get into the boost, plus the added benefit of pulling air from outside. IIRC you have a cone filter in the fender now?



GADJet MSG #557, 08-23-2012 03:50 PM
      You know what I love about this build mostly? Its done from a garage and driveway. Not a SHOP! This is true inspiration!

Love the look of the car! Keep bringing it.


Car-Lo MSG #558, 08-23-2012 05:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

What happened to the RX headlamps? The ones in the pictures look more like fog lamps in that location and you might get pulled over for them being so low, especially if under 24" in CA.


Thanks Madcurl, you're right about that, I can still install RX headlights (making me rethink )
We'll see where this goes a shot with RX lights sit at 20" from floor to bottom lights



 
quote
Originally posted by GADJet:

You know what I love about this build mostly? Its done from a garage and driveway. Not a SHOP! This is true inspiration!

Love the look of the car! Keep bringing it.


Thank you GADJet,

Just pensioners having fun with their time

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #559, 08-24-2012 01:23 AM
      I'm not sure of the laws in your country, but it might be 18" or more for headlamps. I was digging the RX headlamps from the beginning.

Stubby79 MSG #560, 08-24-2012 09:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

I'm not sure of the laws in your country, but it might be 18" or more for headlamps. I was digging the RX headlamps from the beginning.


I've found a couple of references for us here in BC (or perhaps it's for all of Canada, but theses were BC specific): 56cm minimum. Which is about 22.5".


Car-Lo MSG #561, 08-25-2012 01:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Stubby79:


I've found a couple of references for us here in BC (or perhaps it's for all of Canada, but theses were BC specific): 56cm minimum. Which is about 22.5".


Thank you Stubby79 for the info , Then RBS2 be safer installing headlights on upper area even if still lower than 22.5"

Today I started on rocker panels and scoops, tweaked mock up of scoop...







Fitting old RBS rear panel



Trimming rear panel



Cutting out side scoop pieces from old rear deck lid



Viewing bottom part of scoop



Both parts of scoop







Cut rear panel in half, upper will be fiberglass onto rear clip body and lower panel fiberglass to rocker panel scoop (will be removable )



Trim to fit again



Two separate rear panels ready to fiberglass onto upper rear clip and lower rocker scoop

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Reallybig MSG #562, 08-25-2012 04:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Trimming rear panel





I sure hope you dont match your socks to your briefs!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #563, 08-25-2012 12:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Two separate rear panels ready to fiberglass onto upper rear clip and lower rocker scoop





Question: Were is the air intake going to be located?


Car-Lo MSG #564, 08-26-2012 01:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Question: Were is the air intake going to be located?


Where the new Mad Max scoop is, but you made me tweak it a bit



The opening before (only half air filter showing)



Lower panel cut and angled more for larger opening





Air filter has larger opening



After Clynt came over checking my work then I stopped work on scoop and help him with rear wing



Tack weld brackets on





Final weld, brackets on wing



Bolting wing on, lower wing is now removable



Long fun day

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Car-Lo MSG #565, 08-27-2012 02:27 AM
      Today Pliogrip scoop...

The Mad Max evil dagger (front part of scoop) I like it a lot a few pics









Clynt showed up with Harley



Clynt playing with shapes and I started to get ready to fiberglass lower panel to rocker panel



Clynt now playing with tweaking front of rocker panel (old doesn't look evil enough) and put rag on sharp dagger



And finally the two are fiberglass together (lower panel to rocker panel)



Nice weekend...

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 08-27-2012).]

carnut122 MSG #566, 08-27-2012 09:56 PM
      This thread just keeps getting better!

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #567, 08-27-2012 11:09 PM
      Maybe cut out and permanently attach the door section with "the blade"? Or make a false secton with the blade attached that the door lowers behind. Does it make sense?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #568, 08-28-2012 12:21 AM
      So freakin cool. This thing is going to be a piece of art.

Car-Lo MSG #569, 08-28-2012 03:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Maybe cut out and permanently attach the door section with "the blade"? Or make a false secton with the blade attached that the door lowers behind. Does it make sense?


Thanks

 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

This thread just keeps getting better!


Thanks carnut122, Clynt and I are having lots of fun with Mad Max

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

So freakin cool. This thing is going to be a piece of art.


Thanks doublec4, RBS2 is slowly shaping into a weapon


Today Clynt came over to repair his bubble top, first we played with headlights, visualizing and not to much got done on RBS2
Anyway pics of the day...



Notice rag on "the blade", Clynt doesn't want to get hurt



We jacked up Clynt's bubble top



Clynt's driveway ripped and folded bumper under, troyboy's wheelies would've helped



He drove here with coat hanger tie



RBS2 was a parts car again, this time front wheel liner (Clynt's mounting holes ripped out)







End of day, we got Clynt's ride finished



85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #570, 08-28-2012 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:




I like the T-short



Reallybig MSG #571, 08-30-2012 03:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:







I didn't catch it the other day but darn near wet the computer chair laughing this time!

Keep up the great work and entertainment!


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #572, 08-30-2012 08:11 PM
      Hey

I saw this video and though about your ride
The good part starts at 7:40

http://www.youtube.com/watc...ndex=26&feature=plcp


Car-Lo MSG #573, 09-03-2012 01:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Hey

I saw this video and though about your ride
The good part starts at 7:40

http://www.youtube.com/watc...ndex=26&feature=plcp


Thanks for that great video 85LAMB, I sneaked idea from Lambo's lower wing and exposing RBS2 fat 325 Michelins



Back to RBS2...
Well not to much play with Mad Max, Clynt's had to install a rebuilt Camaro power rac (old one was leaking) I had to help him





After Clynt's ride, we had a scoop huddle, maybe adding gill scoop on upper panel, more air intake (but it may look too goofy)
Here's the gill scoop today...





Without gill



Worm's view, lower scoop





Car-Lo's view



[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-03-2012).]

Reallybig MSG #574, 09-06-2012 10:49 PM
      No progress reports? It must be raining on the coast.

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #575, 09-13-2012 07:11 PM
      Hey!! get to work posting pics!!! I need my fix of ideas to steal!!!!


Any progress??????


testigo007 (bob@certifiedcontractorscoalition.com) MSG #576, 09-13-2012 09:52 PM
      This is ridiculous! Put on your red socks and red drawers and get to work! lol j/k


Car-Lo MSG #577, 09-14-2012 12:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by testigo007:

This is ridiculous! Put on your red socks and red drawers and get to work! lol j/k


will do !

Actually I was helping Clynt with body work on his truck and not to much to show and post on RBS2

Today we tweaked rear wing and final welding again...





Clynt welding brackets on frame to support rear rocker panels.



I also extended "The blade" 1-1/2" longer for a deeper cut will post this weekend

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-14-2012).]

testigo007 (bob@certifiedcontractorscoalition.com) MSG #578, 09-14-2012 10:23 AM
      Thanks for the update and looking forward to the next batch of pics. :-)

Car-Lo MSG #579, 09-16-2012 02:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Reallybig:

No progress reports? It must be raining on the coast.


Finally stopped raining and a little progress...

We started playing with upper rear wing, Clynt grinding tack weld off, to angle upper wing same as bottom wing



Turned upper wing up side down to copy bottom angle and tack weld



Tack weld 6-1/2" spacer (will be removed later)





Making upper wing brackets





Tack on brackets







Bit more tack welds



Final welding





Grinding welds smoother



Bolting on upper wing



Good day, upper wing is on, just a little tweaking into shape later



andreww MSG #580, 09-17-2012 07:46 AM
      Looking amazing Car-Lo. Will you be working on this over the winter? Are you planning on having it ready for next summer?

Car-Lo MSG #581, 09-17-2012 12:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by andreww:

Looking amazing Car-Lo. Will you be working on this over winter? Are you planning on having it ready for next summer?


Thank you so much andrew. Yes, we'll be working over most winter, the deadline is now for next summer, but that's what I said last year

Yesterday no playing with RBS2, Clynt's friend had free passes for Mission Race Track (about 1 hour from Vancouver), so we went to see some drag racing...







We walked around looking at all the cool race cars



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #582, 09-17-2012 02:10 PM
      Taken a break is good. We can all learn a lesson or two from a dog.



Sometimes we come back from a break with newer ideas.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 09-17-2012).]

Stubby79 MSG #583, 09-20-2012 10:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Tack weld 6-1/2" spacer (will be removed later)




That thing is a work of art! You should incorperate it in to the final design!


Car-Lo MSG #584, 09-23-2012 12:40 AM
      Trimming more off frame rails



Cut off exhaust tips and moving them inboard



Tips cut to fit inboard and clamped on lower wing



Tack welding tips, right side is already tacked inboard



Tips tacked inboard and ready for welding



Removing exhaust for welding



Exhaust all welded up and grinding welds smoother ready for chroming exhaust

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-23-2012).]

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #585, 09-23-2012 08:59 PM
     
Exhaust all welded up and grinding welds smoother ready for chroming exhaust

maybe not chrome but have you given thought to the DIY powder coat stuff ya do in the oven? Doing the exhaust in a bright color that contrasts the body would be sweeeet! ALL HAIL RBS2!!!


Car-Lo MSG #586, 09-24-2012 12:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:


Exhaust all welded up and grinding welds smoother ready for chroming exhaust

maybe not chrome but have you given thought to the DIY powder coat stuff ya do in the oven? Doing the exhaust in a bright color that contrasts the body would be sweeeet! ALL HAIL RBS2!!!


Thank you so much jaremurray88 for your input you are so right about a bright color and today I made a mistake by painting exhaust matt black
Maybe I can repaint exhaust red so it will have something bright in background against all blacked out rear

This is what I used today...





Overall view, exhaust installed



Mean while back in the wheel well, fiberglass 3" filler liner between rear clips to join them together



Bit more sanding



Primed filler liner



Installed wheel liner, also side view of exhaust and wings





Next: finish rocker panel and scoop

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-24-2012).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #587, 09-24-2012 10:02 AM
      carlo that door spear needs to be longer it is detracking from the upper door shape and looks chopped short it should extend as far as the middle of the door at least great build otherwise

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-24-2012).]

testigo007 (bob@certifiedcontractorscoalition.com) MSG #588, 09-24-2012 08:14 PM
      carlo... I've read that many exotic cars these days are using fake tips on the exhaust... they look really good, but are not functional... You could put some cool octagonal tips around your tailpipes with a screen covering the actual pipes. :-o http://www.supertightstuff....ust-pipes-not-tight/

[This message has been edited by testigo007 (edited 09-24-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #589, 09-25-2012 01:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Stubby79:


That thing is a work of art! You should incorperate it in to the final design!


Thanks Stubby, there you go...



 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

carlo that door spear needs to be longer it is detracking from the upper door shape and looks chopped short it should extend as far as the middle of the door at least great build otherwise


Thank you bubbajoexxx for suggesting a longer spear

Today I did a mock up of door spear 5-1/2" longer and it's looking a lot better, thank you









Back to the rear, just have to trim wheel well liners to expose the 325s





 
quote
Originally posted by testigo007:

carlo... I've read that many exotic cars these days are using fake tips on the exhaust... they look really good, but are not functional... You could put some cool octagonal tips around your tailpipes with a screen covering the actual pipes. :-o http://www.supertightstuff....ust-pipes-not-tight/




Thanks for the tip testigo007, that is a pretty trick idea I was thinking of fabricating something octagonal like that later on, as for now I'll just use what I have

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-25-2012).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #590, 09-25-2012 11:13 PM
      now that fits the body desine real well that mates with the door line just right man with short spear go hungry man with long spear gets the meat


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #591, 09-26-2012 11:06 AM
      Car-lo you are doing a fantastic job, trust me you dont need any advice from Bubba the hack scam artist

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #592, 09-26-2012 02:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
Thanks for the tip testigo007, that is a pretty trick idea I was thinking of fabricating something octagonal like that later on, as for now I'll just use what I have



There's several examples here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...6/HTML/060802-3.html


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #593, 09-26-2012 08:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Car-lo you are doing a fantastic job, trust me you dont need any advice from Bubba the hack scam artist

Really! must you spread poo on such a great thread? not really cool or needed take the gripe someplace else and let Car-lo have his time in the light.

Some people geez man sorry Car-lo you are doing great don't let the haters derail this thread!!


jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #594, 09-26-2012 10:51 PM
      Although I don't much care for bubbajoe either but I do agree it does look better with the "reaper" {little funny there sorry} farther down the door. I always thought something as just a tad bit off but couldn't put my finger on it. good eye my man

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #595, 09-26-2012 10:54 PM
      Oh and could I get a pm with a pic/info on your buddy Clynt's hood scoop on his fiero? Is it functional as a heat extractor or just for looks?

Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #596, 09-27-2012 02:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Really! must you spread poo on such a great thread? not really cool or needed take the gripe someplace else and let Car-lo have his time in the light.

Some people geez man sorry Car-lo you are doing great don't let the haters derail this thread!!



Bro this is the first thread I open up when I log on to the forum
I meant no disrespect to my paisanos work which is outstanding
Once again I'm sorry

But when I see that SOB posting on here I get pissed off
He screwed me out of over $2500

Looking forward to more updates



Car-Lo MSG #597, 09-30-2012 12:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


There's several examples here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...6/HTML/060802-3.html


Thank you so much Madcurl great pics of show I didn't know this thread even existed, I'll have to surf more here on PFF

 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

Oh and could I get a pm with a pic/info on your buddy Clynt's hood scoop on his fiero? Is it functional as a heat extractor or just for looks?


Thanks for asking jaremurray88, Yes Clynt's scoop is Functional, pic of Clynt's (bubble top) heat extractor



Today I had a chance to play...

Wheel well gap was not even





Adding a (subtle) flare on fender and making gap even





Gap is even all around wheel



Fiberglass (Evercoat SMC resin)



Sanding



Clynt is always checking my work



Using Evercoat Fiber Tech filler



Meanwhile Clynt is playing with bubbajoe's spear, Clynt wants to make it a bit longer



Smoothing out rough filler



Clynt is now playing with roof edge, wants to angle edge to match fastback pillars



Tomorrow I'll finish wheel well gap and flares

Today I did a bit more sanding, (needs one more pass with filler)...

Before



After





[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 09-30-2012).]

355Fiero MSG #598, 10-01-2012 01:34 PM
      Car-Lo;

Rear flare looks really good. A possible suggestion. What about working the lines on the flare to keep the hard edges from the body lines in tact as it goes into the flare? You could add in a bit more duraglas to fill out the front and rear edges to put in the hard line to match up with the body piece. I think that would finish it off really well and keep the body lines end to end.

Keep it up and keep posting pics
Don


Pete Matos MSG #599, 10-01-2012 11:21 PM
      I have just three words for this thread....... MAD FREAKIN' SKILLS!! Way to go that thing is gonna be the most over the top fiero ever made anywhere.... peace

Pete


Xyster MSG #600, 10-01-2012 11:41 PM
      This is a spectacular build. While part of me is sad that it looks so little like a Fiero, another part is truly amazed by your skills. I hope your hard work helps younger generations want to join the hobby and perhaps save a Fiero.

As Dennis Gage says "Don't crush 'em. Restore 'em."


jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #601, 10-01-2012 11:50 PM
      Or as I say "Can't restore 'em mod the bejesus out of 'em" lol

carnut122 MSG #602, 10-02-2012 09:19 PM
      Gotta love it when it takes about a minute for all of the pictures to load. This is my favorite build ever. Keep posting up those pictures!

Car-Lo MSG #603, 10-04-2012 03:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

Car-Lo;

Rear flare looks really good. A possible suggestion. What about working the lines on the flare to keep the hard edges from the body lines in tact as it goes into the flare? You could add in a bit more duraglas to fill out the front and rear edges to put in the hard line to match up with the body piece. I think that would finish it off really well and keep the body lines end to end.

Keep it up and keep posting pics
Don


Thanks Don, is the red line what you meant ?



That was my first thought I started hard edge on door and to me it looked a bit busy so I smoothed it out




Back to flares...

I did one more pass over and I was happy with that look





Rear flare has same look as front fender, good match.



After that I sanded the flares, then Clynt dropped by and we did a bit of brainstorming. Clynt came up with adding a splitter between rocker scoop and upper panel



Splitter needs to be tweaked to fit (something to play with)



More tweaking, before Clynt wanted to angle roof edge out and now angled in (I like it angled in, will match rear spoiler angle)



Clynt and I made plans to work on mounting headlights next week, we are both looking forward for that part


 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

Or as I say "Can't restore 'em mod the bejesus out of 'em" lol




85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #604, 10-04-2012 11:23 AM
     
 
quote
After that I sanded the flares, then Clynt dropped by and we did a bit of brainstorming. Clynt came up with adding a splitter between rocker scoop and upper panel


I would maybe wait on the splitter tell you get a little more done on the rear might be to many lines on the side? Just my first thought
As for the build you know how I feel DAM! sweet ride


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #605, 10-04-2012 04:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:


I would maybe wait on the splitter tell you get a little more done on the rear might be to many lines on the side? Just my first thought
As for the build you know how I feel DAM! sweet ride


The area is already tweaked and adding more might make it too busy or worst tying too hard. However, areas were it's boring and needs a "pop" go for it.


355Fiero MSG #606, 10-04-2012 05:54 PM
      Car-Lo;

Yes the red line was the one I was thinking about. After you went back to the flare and finished it up though it looks really good. Once you get the front flare area done as well you will be able to see the overall shapes working or not between the two areas and make some tweaks if needed.

It is looking really good.

I would suggest holding off on the splitter as well until you get everything into a single colour like primer or whatever so you can see what the car will look like near finished. It would be easy enough to add on in afterward if you ware wanting to go that route.

Cheers
Don


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #607, 10-06-2012 02:04 PM
      Had to update the Movie poster and song a little



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PubREHT0KcE



Car-Lo MSG #608, 10-10-2012 01:41 AM
      Thank you...
85SEnochie, madcurl and 355Fiero for your comments and suggestions I will go with them


Back to RBS2...
Playing around with rear spoiler, rough mock up Mad Max style using separate plates to make up spoiler, 3rd brake light to be recessed into middle plate











Sneak peek...

Headlight just sitting on wing for visualizing only, to be mounted higher up as shown on red line, front cross frame will have to be cut and lowered









Headlights from Honda Civic Coupe 06-08 LED halo projector black headlights

http://turbometal.com/2006-...ck-2-door-coupe.html



This week we'll be hacking and installing headlights, time for saws all again

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-10-2012).]

renderareason MSG #609, 10-10-2012 03:26 PM
      Can't wait to see what you do with those headlights, looks like they'll provide the nose shape you were looking for. Plus the LEDs and Halos definitely give that exotic look. Nice work!

Danyel MSG #610, 10-10-2012 08:44 PM
      freakin WOW !!!!



jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #611, 10-11-2012 10:36 PM
      Bravo Car lo man I saw the idea for the rear spoiler and pooped a lil lol I can't wait to see what you guys do on this part.

Car-Lo MSG #612, 10-12-2012 01:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by renderareason:

Can't wait to see what you do with those headlights, looks like they'll provide the nose shape you were looking for. Plus the LEDs and Halos definitely give that exotic look. Nice work!


Thank you renderareason, there you go it's a start...

Today Clynt came over and we started to mount the headlights

Cutting off corner frame (sorry for bad pics, garage lights)





Cutting brackets



Tacking on brackets





We pushed RBS2 outside to finish mounting







All brackets tacked on, just have to tweak headlights for adjustments





Playing with design, lots of possibilities with diamond shapes just having fun













Also thanks to Danyel (Black Widow) and jaredmurray88 for your support



Reallybig MSG #613, 10-12-2012 02:17 AM
      As long as you're "just having fun", don't forget a set of these for your headlights...



Seriously though, keep up the amazing work.

[This message has been edited by Reallybig (edited 10-12-2012).]

GADJet MSG #614, 10-12-2012 10:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
The RBS before being butchered up for an extreme makeover (on a budget) ...


For some funny reason I think Car-Lo is pulling the wool over our eyes with the budget comment. Either that or his budget has no bottom! Just messing with ya bro. Love the work keep postin pics!


renderareason MSG #615, 10-12-2012 04:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:







I think these two pictures really show the progress in the nose shape. The top shot has a nice curve to it, while the side shot resembles some of those sharp lambo lines. It's really coming along! I hope you have a productive weekend, keep those pics coming!

-Matt


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #616, 10-12-2012 05:01 PM
      We are in for the worst storms of the season the next 3-4 days, so I hope you have some really good shelter to work on the car. I am cleaning the garage today to get the motorcycle out of the weather and get the generator fueled up just in case. I saw you post that you and Clynt are coming to the meeting on Saturday, will be nice to see you guys, its been a few months. Harrison took his 3800 to Mission before it shut down for the season, hopefully come spring when you have this beast done, the four of us can get our cars out there together, would be a great day to see you and Harrison duke it out and Clynt and I duke it out.

The car is looking amazing John, can't wait to see it in person.



jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #617, 10-14-2012 12:24 AM
      just tossing it out to ya...maybe you could mold into a body line, under the new lights or hidden amongst the front splitter some small couple inch strips of LEDs for daytime running lights to give RBS2 some modern high end look to accompany the upgrade you obviously already have in the rest of the car... I would recommend some side facing LEDs instead of the straight up kind. The side mounted kind are easier to hide and you could tuck them into a place so you wouldn't see them unless lit. Check out the LED strip light thread in the tech section we all got going. After we get moved here I will be posting pics and such of the stuff I made out of em. Amazing tech and can be used in so many little things its unreal lol. I have 10 meters heading my way just to play with over winter at the grand total of 19.10 USD shipped from Hong Kong.

Car-Lo MSG #618, 10-16-2012 02:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

just tossing it out to ya...maybe you could mold into a body line, under the new lights or hidden amongst the front splitter some small couple inch strips of LEDs for daytime running lights to give RBS2 some modern high end look to accompany the upgrade you obviously already have in the rest of the car... I would recommend some side facing LEDs instead of the straight up kind. The side mounted kind are easier to hide and you could tuck them into a place so you wouldn't see them unless lit. Check out the LED strip light thread in the tech section we all got going. After we get moved here I will be posting pics and such of the stuff I made out of em. Amazing tech and can be used in so many little things its unreal lol. I have 10 meters heading my way just to play with over winter at the grand total of 19.10 USD shipped from Hong Kong.


Thanks for the tip jaredmurray88, I have straight up kind now, maybe tweak later on.

Not to much progress to post, just brain storming with Clynt and rough mock ups of extractor similar to pic below...



Playing with opening size...
RBS2 likes to expose her Champion rad, fan will be mounted in front and pushing air, that will look cool Mad Max style







Front view, one steep slope









Car-Lo MSG #619, 10-16-2012 02:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Reallybig:

As long as you're "just having fun", don't forget a set of these for your headlights...



Seriously though, keep up the amazing work.



Thanks Reallybig, RBS2 is a sexy lady now

We are changing headlights again , Honda lights are not working out to well

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-16-2012).]

1988holleyformula MSG #620, 10-16-2012 09:39 AM
      I love that C6R radiator vent idea!

That's the part of the Whodeanie Rottinchop that I want to see finished the most.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/084025-3.html


Fiero_Adam MSG #621, 10-16-2012 11:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:

We are changing headlights again , Honda lights are not working out to well



Have you looked at the last generation Saturn SC1/SC2 headlights? They have a good slope to them and may fit in well with the front end.


Car-Lo MSG #622, 10-17-2012 02:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

I love that C6R radiator vent idea!

That's the part of the Whodeanie Rottinchop that I want to see finished the most.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/084025-3.html


Thank you 1988holleyformula for posting Rottinchop thread actually I was thinking of finding it and check it out again, great build


Back to play...
Remember that silver hood #4, it's being hacked again



So much for "Don't crush 'em. Restore 'em"



We needed a larger windshield wiper panel under hood also for the new extractor opening (to be trimmed to fit)



Black hood to be extended to red mark



We installed an old rad to play with




 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero_Adam:


Have you looked at the last generation Saturn SC1/SC2 headlights? They have a good slope to them and may fit in well with the front end.



Thanks for the help Fiero_Adam but headlights have been already ordered

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-17-2012).]

Habanera Hal (halspalter1@aol.com) MSG #623, 10-17-2012 09:33 AM
      Hello all. I've been lurking here for several months drooling over this thread. I've owned three Fieros in the past (84 SE, 86 GT, 88 Formula) and was a founding member of MAFOA.

Car-Lo, you are doing amazing things, but I am glad you ditched the Honda lights. They were just too wide, too large. Small and discreet would, IMHO, be more appropriate and more stealthy. If you went back to headlight doors, but moved them farther forward, say right to the leading edge and using some low-profile projector bulbs, it would blend into the overall design better than any exposed lights.


VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #624, 10-17-2012 01:36 PM
      This car is epic! I liked it the way it was before but damn this is just awesome!

Car-Lo MSG #625, 10-18-2012 02:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Habanera Hal:

Hello all. I've been lurking here for several months drooling over this thread. I've owned three Fieros in the past (84 SE, 86 GT, 88 Formula) and was a founding member of MAFOA.

Car-Lo, you are doing amazing things, but I am glad you ditched the Honda lights. They were just too wide, too large. Small and discreet would, IMHO, be more appropriate and more stealthy. If you went back to headlight doors, but moved them farther forward, say right to the leading edge and using some low-profile projector bulbs, it would blend into the overall design better than any exposed lights.


Thank you so much Habanera Hal for the suggestions too w i d e and too large, this thread should be called "RBS2 extreme ditching "

I always liked Mangusta headlights concept look, I'll be doing something similar, that "evil eye" look, RBS2 likes everything exposed





Stubby79 MSG #626, 10-18-2012 02:44 AM
      Looks like a 2013 Delorian to me! (the previous post, not RBS)

Fiero_Adam MSG #627, 10-18-2012 11:25 PM
      No problem. Just thought I would make a suggestion. I'm sure you've come up with something good.
 
quote
Originally posted by Stubby79:

Looks like a 2013 Delorian to me! (the previous post, not RBS)


LOL. That's what I was thinking.


Ender-DI MSG #628, 10-19-2012 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
I always liked Mangusta headlights concept look, I'll be doing something similar, that "evil eye" look, RBS2 likes everything exposed



Long-time lurker checking in! Have you seen these headlights? They seem like they would be great for custom projects.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mot...-Honda-/190687874466

Gotta say, I'm absolutely loving this build. Good job and good luck!


mptighe MSG #629, 10-19-2012 07:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:




Anyone else see a pissed off Delorean on steroids?


Car-Lo MSG #630, 10-20-2012 02:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ender-DI:


Long-time lurker checking in! Have you seen these headlights? They seem like they would be great for custom projects.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mot...-Honda-/190687874466

Gotta say, I'm absolutely loving this build. Good job and good luck!



Thank you Ender-DI, best choice of lights but we already picked out something finished, smaller with LEDs and will be installed as shown on the Delorean

Today's progress...
Back to extreme hacking, trimming hood to enlarge extractor opening











Wiper panel liner also was trimmed a bit, more to be trimming later








fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #631, 10-20-2012 10:55 AM
      Threads like this make me "catch the fever". Awesome job!!!! Please keep going on this.... I NEED more!



Car-Lo MSG #632, 10-22-2012 02:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

Threads like this make me "catch the fever". Awesome job!!!! Please keep going on this.... I NEED more!



Thanks fiero67, I just checked out your build thread nice clean work.
Okay if you don't "catch the fever" I'll send Clynt over to kick your butt, that's what he does to me all the time


Back to hood extractor ...
Extended hood as shown, fiberglass underside and ready to fiberglass topside



Both sides fiberglass, sanded and now trimming opening again



Trimming wiper panel





Clynt came over, we cut out side pieces and started mocking up





Tomorrow will trim more off wiper panel (as shown on red line)



Hood extractor is slowly shaping up

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-22-2012).]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #633, 10-22-2012 02:49 AM
      I think I might have to work a deal with you and Clynt, I am going to start clearing out my Fiero parts bin, and see if you too want to work a deal on "ALL" my Fiero body panels. The only parts I would want to keep is the nose from RBS-1 and maybe the Nose from my 85GT just in case I ever get into a fender bender. I plan to let ICBC handle all my parking lot dings from now on. I really would not need or want cash, it would be a trade deal. Just finishing up the body work on the V8 when I get it back and maybe finding a way to beef up that nose so that if I do get into a snow plow situation it does not get ripped off the car. I also need to do final shaping on the nose to prep it for real paint. The Primer Black Look was cool but I really want to get started moving towards your rendering of the car. The Black with the White Highlights. I also wanted to ask, how much did the scissor door conversion set you back and how much welding did Clynt really have to do to make it work.



Car-Lo MSG #634, 10-22-2012 03:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

I think I might have to work a deal with you and Clynt, I am going to start clearing out my Fiero parts bin, and see if you too want to work a deal on "ALL" my Fiero body panels. The only parts I would want to keep is the nose from RBS-1 and maybe the Nose from my 85GT just in case I ever get into a fender bender. I plan to let ICBC handle all my parking lot dings from now on. I really would not need or want cash, it would be a trade deal. Just finishing up the body work on the V8 when I get it back and maybe finding a way to beef up that nose so that if I do get into a snow plow situation it does not get ripped off the car. I also need to do final shaping on the nose to prep it for real paint. The Primer Black Look was cool but I really want to get started moving towards your rendering of the car. The Black with the White Highlights. I also wanted to ask, how much did the scissor door conversion set you back and how much welding did Clynt really have to do to make it work.



It was great seeing you and everybody at last meeting, anyway about body parts RBS2 is well stocked up if no more changes
As for your front nose, you need something like troyboy's framed with steel tubing and wheelies up front to ride high ramps
Lambo hinges $285 USD, case of beer for Blair (final deep welding) and donuts for Clynt

Archie has a great video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmfwG0CbfT0


Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #635, 10-22-2012 05:55 AM
      Absolutely extreme a makeover of this calibre. This has really raised the bar of what can be done to a fiero. This car is going to be a real favourite of mine.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #636, 10-24-2012 07:11 PM
      Car-Lo , I appreciate the kind words... but compared to what you are doing.. I would be considered being on page one of your manual. Im floored by what your doing and will be resurrecting my build sooner than later... ive got 4 complete body to use... and will feed off this thread!!! thank you! I needed a good butt kicking!


Car-Lo MSG #637, 10-25-2012 02:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Australian:

Absolutely extreme a makeover of this calibre. This has really raised the bar of what can be done to a fiero. This car is going to be a real favourite of mine.


Thank you Australian maybe we raised the bar for the most Fiero body parts butchered and wasted

Not to much progress this week...
Fiberglass side panels on hood, separate smaller wiper panel will be fixed under hood.







Form and a little function (to stabilize at high speed)





We started to play with fender more this weekend



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #638, 10-25-2012 04:09 AM
      LOL, I think your car just earned a nickname. The "Shark" with all those sharp angles, and gill looking vents and huge gills for doors that swing open like fines, a vicious looking nose with huge steel teeth. I think from now on I'll call your car the "Shark Project"

Its looking amazing Johnny, I really hope you have it on the road for Spring, I know lots of guys in club are dying to see it in Person. I really wanted to stop by today as we were at Fraser/Oak/King Edward area today, then ran 12th street back to Trans Canada. We had taken Arianna into Children's Hospital for her final checkup after her heart surgery. If we did not have both kids with us I would have called for an exact address and dropped by to say Hi. (In case you had not heard Lisa popped, and we have a 5 day old baby girl now too.)



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #639, 10-25-2012 12:33 PM
     

Continues to amaze !


Danyel MSG #640, 10-25-2012 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:
......I think your car just earned a nickname. The "Shark" with all those sharp angles.....


Man I think it should be . '' Blade '' because it's cutting edge .... car is gonna be AWWWWSOOOMMME

[This message has been edited by Danyel (edited 10-25-2012).]

Car-Lo MSG #641, 10-29-2012 01:34 AM
      Clynt dropped by and playing with brackets to hold lower fender in place, upper fender and hood to flip up all in one









Cutting out window opening on rear deck lid...



I always loved Skitimes window exposing the 3800SC, I had to have one too







RBS2 will never look as good as Skitimes's RBS2 3800 needs lots of polishing and cool paint job also no intercooling to raise the supercharger higher up



Cutting out rear extractor and third brake light panel















Good weekend

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-29-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #642, 10-29-2012 03:39 AM
     

The sheer number of custom parts on this car is simply staggering.

I hope you guys are keeping the patterns for each part in case of any kind of mishap.

Just might make it easier to reproduce or repair ?

You guys need to be on speed channel !


carnut122 MSG #643, 10-29-2012 06:27 PM
      Looking good! This thread messes up my mind every time I see it.

aFiero MSG #644, 10-30-2012 10:30 AM
      After I am done with school I too am going to attempt something like this. This is a wonderful inspiration to us all!

Andrew



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #645, 10-30-2012 05:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

Looking good! This thread messes up my mind every time I see it.


me too!


Car-Lo MSG #646, 10-31-2012 01:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
The sheer number of custom parts on this car is simply staggering.

I hope you guys are keeping the patterns for each part in case of any kind of mishap.

Just might make it easier to reproduce or repair ?

You guys need to be on speed channel !

Thanks exoticse, it doesn't cost anything to cut holes onto body parts
NO patterns, if mishap to RBS2 it's a good excuse to tweak it again


A little hacking...



Tweaking extractor panel, also cut out extractor opening on deck lid









Clynt roughing out mock up







Cut out card to cover window opening to visualize the over all look






 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

Looking good! This thread messes up my mind every time I see it.


Thank you camut122, I hope it's a good thing

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 10-31-2012).]

diabloroadster MSG #647, 10-31-2012 01:57 PM
      IMOP- When finished this will be the coolest Fiero recreation on the planet Earth......

1988holleyformula MSG #648, 10-31-2012 02:24 PM
      It will be so hard to decide my favorite tweak on this car once it's finished - that decklid is definitely one of the contenders!

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #649, 11-09-2012 11:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you camut122, I hope it's a good thing





all I have to say is HELL YAH!



Number3IRMFIERO (mryukzx7r@gmail.com) MSG #650, 11-09-2012 03:30 PM
      This car has AMAZING lines. I am new to this site and I scrolled through all the pages looking at pics. Excuse me but I have to ask. Is this going to be a moldable kit when finished, or is this just a one off? I think if you were to mold it, people would buy it! I def would consider buying this as a kit.

1988holleyformula MSG #651, 11-09-2012 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Number3IRMFIERO:

This car has AMAZING lines. I am new to this site and I scrolled through all the pages looking at pics. Excuse me but I have to ask. Is this going to be a moldable kit when finished, or is this just a one off? I think if you were to mold it, people would buy it! I def would consider buying this as a kit.


Nope. Car-Lo makes one-of-a-kind vehicles.

Speaking of, where's he at? Last update was in October!


carnut122 MSG #652, 11-09-2012 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thank you camut122, I hope it's a good thing



It couldn't possibly be better! It's easily the most creative and extensive redesign to date. I hope to see it in person some day.


Car-Lo MSG #653, 11-15-2012 11:01 PM
      Not to much playing around lately...

Fiberglass tail end



Long time ago I pick up Avalanche 3rd brake lights from auto wreckers (might as well use one)



Cut out opening top side



Cut out opening underside to access brake light







Started mocking up 3rd wing, that will be moulded in and be part of body (two lower wings are separate from body)













Far right side is antique baby crib Clynt is fixing for client



Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #654, 11-16-2012 07:43 PM
      Coming along nicely! Thanks for the pic fix

Jim


KenFormula88 (westwingturbos@hotmail.com) MSG #655, 11-16-2012 09:43 PM
      Oh sweet baby Jesus, I can't wait to see this thing finished.



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #656, 11-17-2012 02:32 AM
      What are you thinking for tail lights? how about 2000 Honda CRV?





Car-Lo MSG #657, 11-18-2012 01:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

What are you thinking for tail lights? how about 2000 Honda CRV?





Thanks Steven, best one so far and very close Honda tail lights go great with Honda headlights that I DITCHED

Clynt was looking on e-bay and found something more Mad Max looking tail lights with sharper angles and LEDs

A bit of playing today, but not to much...
3rd wing S.M.(thin wall) frame





Cut oversize shape of 3rd wing using 1" polyisocyanurate foam



Foam glued on S.M.frame (wing will be removable), tomorrow I'll be shaping wing

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 11-18-2012).]

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #658, 11-18-2012 11:52 AM
      Lookin' good Car-Lo. Weather outside is cold & wet again...no more outdoor bodyshop for a while. Your neighbors must be very understanding.

Car-Lo MSG #659, 11-18-2012 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Lookin' good Car-Lo. Weather outside is cold & wet again...no more outdoor bodyshop for a while. Your neighbors must be very understanding.


Thanks Amida, that's what we get living in the north west I'm slowing down neighbors are always coming over to chat

Clynt came over and welded nuts under frame (wing can be removable with bolts)
We trimmed wing to size, edge needs to be bevelled later on short afternoon.





Car-Lo MSG #660, 11-20-2012 06:59 PM
      Clynt and I just got back from Blaine WA. U.S. (only 1/2 hour drive from Vancouver ) picked up goodies for RBS2.
Free shipping to "Hagen's of Blaine" also NO DUTY & TAX





fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #661, 11-21-2012 01:29 AM
      you gonna let us see what's in the boxes?

Car-Lo MSG #662, 11-21-2012 02:28 AM
      That's a good one fourpoint9, I'm still smiling Christmas will be here soon

Car-Lo MSG #663, 11-22-2012 06:06 PM
      HAPPY THANKSGIVING USA ...

It's getting cold and playing around with RBS2 is slowing down so here's a Flashback of the original RBS









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1d4qfN8rcs

http://www.youtube.com/watc...ilpage&v=ulC1l9xt7Ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgDgIHSFyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doIZoSsvCRM

[This message has been edited by Car-Lo (edited 12-21-2012).]

Xyster MSG #664, 11-24-2012 12:52 AM
      Time to slow down? NOoooooooooooooooooo!

You have turned me into a RBS-2 junkie. I start getting all itchie if I go more than a few days without getting to see an update.


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #665, 11-24-2012 01:55 AM
      A local club member suggested I check out this thread. So I clicked on it, started scrolling down to see what all the hubbub is about, and...

OH MY FREAKING GAWD!!!

John, this has to be the most radical build I've seen on this forum. It makes my car look like a weekend project in comparison. Keep up the great work!


Reallybig MSG #666, 11-24-2012 05:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Xyster:

Time to slow down? NOoooooooooooooooooo!

You have turned me into a RBS-2 junkie. I start getting all itchie if I go more than a few days without getting to see an update.


I'll second that!

And don't use that excuse about the never ending rain from October through April. I'm sure there's fiberglass resin that you can apply under water.


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #667, 11-26-2012 04:22 PM
      Has anybody claimed the rear bumper from old RBS? I may be interested if no one else has taken it yet.

Terry

A little photo chop that puts a smile on my face I enjoy your photo chops too




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #668, 11-26-2012 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

A local club member suggested I check out this thread. So I clicked on it, started scrolling down to see what all the hubbub is about, and...

OH MY FREAKING GAWD!!!

John, this has to be the most radical build I've seen on this forum. It makes my car look like a weekend project in comparison. Keep up the great work!


hehehe,...i am sure you are not alone,... there are still a lot of people on pennocks who have no idea this is all going on here.

When they find out they will have the same reaction as you or be even more surprised.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #669, 11-26-2012 05:22 PM
      I still have the opinion that RBS-2 should not have been cut up, you could have used RBS-2 as your daily driver and took the sawzall to a different Fiero. RBS-2 was an amazing ride and everyone loved it, even though it only had a 3800SC, I still loved it. I'll bet it cried a little tear when you took the first cut with the sawzall.

However I do understand rising from the ashes is something bigger and better.

P.S. the nose on my car got dinged a bit while on its trip down to the shop for the new motor, so come spring I'll need you to help me mix a batch of filler so I can fill in the chips and sand it over. Nothing deeper than the thickness of a toonie, but probably and inch long. I believe you left some of the mix here, what kinda of shelf life does that stuff have?



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #670, 11-26-2012 08:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:
I still have the opinion that RBS-2 should not have been cut up,


Capt
I really loved RBS-2 n was very surprised when he took the saw to it
but I have to say that what he is doing now is amazing !!!

[This message has been edited by 85LAMB (edited 11-28-2012).]

carnut122 MSG #671, 11-27-2012 11:13 PM
      I still love(d) and missed the look of the old version. At least you'll have some interesting "before, before again, and after" pictures for you photo album.

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #672, 12-08-2012 06:35 PM
      Hey guys!! loooong time no see. just hijacked the in laws computer for a bit lol good to see carlo and his henchman is still at work in the lab. Good to see the progress on others cars while mine is in drydock again for the winter and garageless. That is until the spring when hopefully the tax gods may shine on us for one last buying season until the day we can hit the streets again lol. Who knows maybe we will meet on a far off road when summer is here and the time is right for some racing in the streets.... eh?

Car-Lo MSG #673, 12-19-2012 03:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

Has anybody claimed the rear bumper from old RBS? I may be interested if no one else has taken it yet.

Terry

A little photo chop that puts a smile on my face I enjoy your photo chops too




It's snowing today looks like we'll have a white Christmas

Rear old RBS bumper and tail light panel is still available, it's a widebody fit at 69" wide (will have to be cut to fit stock)



 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

A local club member suggested I check out this thread. So I clicked on it, started scrolling down to see what all the hubbub is about, and...

OH MY FREAKING GAWD!!!

John, this has to be the most radical build I've seen on this forum. It makes my car look like a weekend project in comparison. Keep up the great work!


Thank you so much Blacktree, I'm very lucky to have a buddy like Clynt helping out with his skills, he's having too much fun than me and always pushing me to play with RBS2




CETICARS MSG #674, 12-19-2012 04:03 PM
      pm sent

85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #675, 12-19-2012 06:23 PM
      Bummer I forgot about the width I would have to put some hips on it oh well thanks for letting me know.

Terry



Danyel MSG #676, 12-20-2012 12:13 AM
      Please PM me total with shipping ... just bumper part ... I already have blank tail light panel ... G6V-9T6..... I also have a purolator account if you have a good price for both items
let me know
regards
Danyel




Car-Lo MSG #677, 12-20-2012 01:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Danyel:

Please PM me total with shipping ... just bumper part ... I already have blank tail light panel ... G6V-9T6..... I also have a purolator account if you have a good price for both items
let me know
regards
Danyel



Danyel, I'm very sorry I'll be swapping both parts locally here, it's a lot easier for me.


Car-Lo MSG #678, 12-20-2012 02:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Xyster:

Time to slow down? NOoooooooooooooooooo!

You have turned me into a RBS-2 junkie. I start getting all itchie if I go more than a few days without getting to see an update.


Thank you all for having fun watching two grumpy old men playing with RBS2
It's getting to cold and we're busy with family TO BE CONTINUED sometime in January


HAPPY HOLIDAYS...
from John, Clynt and Blazie



HAPPY NEW YEAR , see you all in January



carnut122 MSG #679, 12-26-2012 01:08 PM
      Love the picture, but you're blocking my view of the car!

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #680, 12-30-2012 11:57 AM
      Although there is not one part the same, there is something about your build that makes me think of the new Aventador which I like a lot more than the limited production Reventon. Just another fan of your awe inspiring work!

[This message has been edited by dratts (edited 12-30-2012).]

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #681, 12-30-2012 12:02 PM
      Glad I went back and reviewed my post. My spell checker had converted "awe inspiring" to "I souring"

zefferk MSG #682, 01-12-2013 09:18 PM
      Any updates?

nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #683, 01-19-2013 03:41 PM
      We want pics

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #684, 01-19-2013 04:07 PM
      Although I have not spoke to John in a while, but I am guessing he is still hibernating. Its still hovering around freezing so if its not snowing its raining with ice in places. Its hard to work on cars when your teeth are chattering and fingers start to go numb.



Bridgetown MSG #685, 02-09-2013 10:06 PM
      Bump!


Car-Lo MSG #686, 02-10-2013 03:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:

Bump!


Thank you for waking us up , hibernating



This is what we're up too...
Playing with Caddy taillights, not sure if this will work out some views



Upper wing is roughy dropped on right side to fit and view Caddy taillight only







The Camaro taillights with Lambo type arrows





Maybe upside down and staggered



I also tweaked wings, raised middle part up higher 1"



zefferk MSG #687, 02-10-2013 03:35 PM
      Thanks for the update! I needed my RBS dose! Those Caddy lights look awesome if you can get them to work...

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #688, 02-10-2013 03:51 PM
      I agree Caddy lights look way better than the Camaro lights. However it is your car so what you like best is the best option.



Car-Lo MSG #689, 02-11-2013 03:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

Although there is not one part the same, there is something about your build that makes me think of the new Aventador which I like a lot more than the limited production Reventon. Just another fan of your awe inspiring work!



Thank you so much, but I just found out you have Murci with LS4 to boot that's one perfect ride



Back to RBS2 it does have some flavour of both or more Lambos, with oversized windshield laid back the profile has that Aventador and Reventon look
I'm not to happy how the Reventon style rocker panel scoop turned out going to tweak that part until it looks better on RBS2

 
quote
Originally posted by zefferk:

Thanks for the update! I needed my RBS dose! Those Caddy lights look awesome if you can get them to work...


Thanks, but don't over dose we need you here on PFF we'll see how the Caddy lights work out.


GBglide (gbglide@comcast.net) MSG #690, 02-11-2013 11:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:



My vote is for the Caddy taillights!



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #691, 02-11-2013 12:01 PM
      I 2nd THAT!

RumbleB MSG #692, 02-11-2013 01:44 PM
      I will agree! The caddy lights are looking pretty good to me, as well!
Keep up the great work!


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #693, 02-11-2013 06:04 PM
      One more vote for the caddy lights. And I can hardly believe that a builder of your quality even mentioned my ride. I like mine but I am so much more impressed with your work than mine.

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #694, 02-11-2013 06:41 PM
      Mount them the way Cadillac does on the ELR up over the rear quarter panels.That would probably look awesome. Might need some tweakin for the correct angle

[This message has been edited by turbodad (edited 02-11-2013).]

Car-Lo MSG #695, 02-11-2013 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Mount them the way Cadillac does on the ELR up over the rear quarter panels.That would probably look awesome. Might need some tweakin for the correct angle



Thank you, I love that look up over quarter panels, actually I was thinking of redoing RBS2 something like a wilder looking XLR type , I'm just too old for the Lambo style ride anyway




 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

One more vote for the caddy lights. And I can hardly believe that a builder of your quality even mentioned my ride. I like mine but I am so much more impressed with your work than mine.


Dratts, I'm just a butcher your ride is finished so perfect the black wheels look great do you have a hardtop to put on ?

Back to RBS2, Clynt also likes the Caddy lights, I like the Camaro well, it looks like everyone going for Caddy.


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #696, 02-11-2013 09:14 PM
      JUST A BUTCHER? You're way too modest! Even in it's rough unfinished state I'm in awe of your inspired work. I only wish that you had started with a new car. I'm sad that the original one is no longer with us. They're never finished. We are building a removable hardtop but I have to finish the door glass first. It had Sebring glass mounted solidly. I am planning on doing a soft pull down mechanism for the door so that I don't have to slam them and I need to make sure that there is room for the soft pull down mechanism along with the window and it's mechanism. Back to your build. It's way more interesting than mine. Mine is just a stock Triangle G G28 body. No modifications at all.

[This message has been edited by dratts (edited 02-12-2013).]

Formula MSG #697, 02-12-2013 07:55 AM
      How about putting the caddy lenses in (I'm assuming they are red) with the camaro lights behind them.

Similar to Yellowstone's car http://images.fieroforum.co...IMG4526_(Medium).JPG


diabloroadster MSG #698, 02-12-2013 10:11 AM
      I think a set of LED Kia Soul tail lights mounted sideways would look perfect in your car : http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED...em2ec33ab043&vxp=mtr


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #699, 02-12-2013 01:51 PM
      MY Vote ...still for the caddy!

Car-Lo MSG #700, 02-12-2013 02:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula:

How about putting the caddy lenses in (I'm assuming they are red) with the camaro lights behind them.

Similar to Yellowstone's car http://images.fieroforum.co...IMG4526_(Medium).JPG


Great idea Formula, the Lambo style LED arrows will look cool behind lenses, something to brainstorm with Clynt


 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

I think a set of LED Kia Soul tail lights mounted sideways would look perfect in your car : http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED...em2ec33ab043&vxp=mtr


Also great idea diabloroadster this afternoon going out to measure soul lights, thank you and we'll have something to play with




Car-Lo MSG #701, 02-12-2013 02:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXOPIE:

MY Vote ...still for the caddy!


Thanks again, Caddy lights are looking better, more and more ( play with other for now, just to make sure )

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Car-Lo MSG #702, 02-12-2013 02:12 PM
      OOPS, double post

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diabloroadster MSG #703, 02-12-2013 02:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Also great idea diabloroadster this afternoon going out to measure soul lights, thank you and we'll have something to play with




No problem, the Kia Soul taillights look alot like the Lamborghing Murcielago's tailights.
I see no problem adding a little Soul to your masterpiece....


Car-Lo MSG #704, 02-12-2013 04:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:
No problem, the Kia Soul taillights look alot like the Lamborghing Murcielago's tailights.
I see no problem adding a little Soul to your masterpiece....


I haven't gone out yet to measure Soul lights, rough photoshop without scale ?
It's not bad, but I think the Caddy has sharper angles at each end, we'll still play with all to make sure



Caddy lights, scale is very close, taken from actual earlier pic (you can see Clynt's thumbs on lights )

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jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #705, 02-12-2013 07:52 PM
      I still like the caddy lights best... They seem more mad max and in your face to match the car. IMHO the soul lights seem too ricey but to each thier own lol. Glad to see this amazing car didn't get black bagged!!!

nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #706, 02-12-2013 08:50 PM
     


Damn , I have already been fabricating these into my Fiero, Im gonna have to hop onto my other laptop and post a pic.

 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:



nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #707, 02-12-2013 09:15 PM
      Here's one of the photos I have.



Car-Lo MSG #708, 02-12-2013 10:33 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by nightonfire:

Here's one of the photos I have.



That's a slick looking bumper do you have a side view of your ride are the Caddy lights going to wrap around the sides or into body ?
Let us know about the conntectors and we let you know too, I want to see how the Caddy taillights light up

EDIT: that's okay nightonfire, I just found your thread

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ericjon262 MSG #709, 02-12-2013 11:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


I haven't gone out yet to measure Soul lights, rough photoshop without scale ?
It's not bad, but I think the Caddy has sharper angles at each end, we'll still play with all to make sure





Now flip them the other way, with the wider part on the outside.



nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #710, 02-13-2013 01:01 AM
      Thanks for the compliment, that is huge coming from you
Ya I fabricated the 355 look awhile back, as for the lights, I have already been chopping, heating, bending, and welding new plastic to chop off the end of the light (that extending portion) so the lights will have a flushed in look (into the body) I have seen them lit up, and look pretty sweet, as for the connectors a team effort sounds great !


 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


That's a slick looking bumper do you have a side view of your ride are the Caddy lights going to wrap around the sides or into body ?
Let us know about the conntectors and we let you know too, I want to see how the Caddy taillights light up

EDIT: that's okay nightonfire, I just found your thread





Car-Lo MSG #711, 02-13-2013 02:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:


Now flip them the other way, with the wider part on the outside.



Thanks for asking, there you go...



I'm pretty sure to use Caddy lights now



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #712, 02-13-2013 12:10 PM
      AGREED STILL ON CADDY! It has a cleaner more higher-end polished look about them...which will match the rest of your build's level of class!

fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #713, 02-13-2013 01:09 PM
      Caddy

diabloroadster MSG #714, 02-13-2013 04:32 PM
      What are your plans for the rear of the car?

nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #715, 02-13-2013 08:41 PM
      I say Caddy (completely un-biased opinion)

Reallybig MSG #716, 02-14-2013 04:05 AM
      OK, now try the Soul tail lights with the flat part on the top and the sharp pointed ends facing outside...I think it would kinda make the back of the car look like it was really pissed off.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #717, 02-14-2013 10:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

I think a set of LED Kia Soul tail lights mounted sideways would look perfect in your car : http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED...em2ec33ab043&vxp=mtr


yeah i had that exact same idea when i saw the Soul about a year and a half ago.

Since then i started looking at other SUV types and about laying them down sideways.


Xyster MSG #718, 02-14-2013 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mostly everyone:


My vote is for the Caddy taillights!


I'm not sure it will matter. This car will be epic regardless!

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #719, 02-15-2013 12:32 PM
      SSC Tuatara Just to get some more ideas flowing



Have we seen the new drawing up close yet? looks good on the hood





TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #720, 02-15-2013 01:31 PM
      WOW! just speechless

Zachycain (manoah2u@versatel.nl) MSG #721, 02-15-2013 09:03 PM
      Hey, i've been following this thread with great interest and i've actually registered just for this project alone, it's awesome, awesome work man!

i have made some photoshops for you if you wish, to see if you like the idea. if it can be put to use: wonderfull!
here you go!

I have used a SLS Doge Challenger rear end to use as base.

On top is my favourite: I added a murcielago spoiler.



here it is without spoiler



braking solution:



various concepts to play around with:

cuad exhaust:





double exhaust








cuad exhausts [challenger sls]




more braking solutions:





Finally, here it is in 2 different colours aswell; red & goldish/yellowish




i hope you enjoy!

good luck with the car!


turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #722, 02-15-2013 09:40 PM
      MY EYES!!! MY EYES !!!!!

Reset



Ahhhh much better........


Car-Lo MSG #723, 02-15-2013 10:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

What are your plans for the rear of the car?


Thanks for asking, the rear area, wings and mesh will be all blacked out something like the sample below



 
quote
Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

SSC Tuatara Just to get some more ideas flowing

Have we seen the new drawing up close yet? looks good on the hood




Thanks, you're always flowing to nice, RBS2 has to look evil

Thanks for asking pic on hood




 
quote
Originally posted by Zachycain:

Hey, i've been following this thread with great interest and i've actually registered just for this project alone, it's awesome, awesome work man!

i have made some photoshops for you if you wish, to see if you like the idea. if it can be put to use: wonderfull!
here you go!

i hope you enjoy!

good luck with the car!



Thank you for sharing Zachycain

WOW lots of samples, to Dodge-ish looking again it's not EVIL enough , it's got to be more MAD MAX



Car-Lo MSG #724, 02-15-2013 11:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

MY EYES!!! MY EYES !!!!!

Reset



Ahhhh much better........


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diabloroadster MSG #725, 02-15-2013 11:10 PM
      I kinda see what your after now on the rear. I know you and everyone else likes the caddy tail lights, when I saw the Kia tail lights I thought they looked perfect but I was seeing the rear differently. The angles of the Kia lights just flowed with the angles on the rear of the car. But now I kinda see what your after, and no the kia lights wouldnt look good.
Carry on with your master piece!


Car-Lo MSG #726, 02-16-2013 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

I kinda see what your after now on the rear. I know you and everyone else likes the caddy tail lights, when I saw the Kia tail lights I thought they looked perfect but I was seeing the rear differently. The angles of the Kia lights just flowed with the angles on the rear of the car. But now I kinda see what your after, and no the kia lights wouldnt look good.
Carry on with your master piece!


That was a good choice to , at least we tried thank you.

Today Clynt came over to make custom shelves for client and then we played with RBS2

Clynt rough mock up, nose is too flat



Grinding and cutting frame ends to bend down and slope hood



Slope hood at each corner ends











Hood inside garage for the day, cuts made on hood to curve and bend.

This weekend sand cut areas and fibreglass



Without hood



Clynt is always checking



Tucked her in for the day

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Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #727, 02-16-2013 08:48 AM
      Thanks for the pics - hope spring comes early so you can accelerate progress!

Jim


85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #728, 02-16-2013 01:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
again it's not EVIL enough , it's got to be more MAD MAX


I did not photo chop that one and it was meant to maybe spark an idea not as a whole
I to do not think Mad Max but thought it looked more sinister like Batman maybe?
When you laid the Cadillac lights down I saw a similarity with the tail lights in the picture I posted.



nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #729, 02-18-2013 03:17 PM
      Hey Car-lo,

I am getting ready to start on my hood, but was not sure if the hood was a fiberglass peice, or another composite. If it is not fiberglass, I know it is different then the fenders, and and bumpers, doors, and I will need a special boding compound similar to what I have used before, any info is great


Car-Lo MSG #730, 02-21-2013 02:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nightonfire:

Hey Car-lo,

I am getting ready to start on my hood, but was not sure if the hood was a fiberglass peice, or another composite. If it is not fiberglass, I know it is different then the fenders, and and bumpers, doors, and I will need a special boding compound similar to what I have used before, any info is great


Sorry for the late reply...
SMC (sheet moulded compound) Hood, roof, rear clip and trunk lid.
I just use SMC friendly products



Plastik Works and Fiber Tech



Anyone please jump right in and help us out

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #731, 02-21-2013 09:10 AM
      Looking better everyday man !



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #732, 02-22-2013 05:51 PM
      2014 Jeep Cherokee headlights? Madmaximised




85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #733, 02-26-2013 07:34 PM
      Here is a thought you already have a reverse chop so you may have more room to angle the window line down then if you did not have a reverse chop but thought with the roundness you are thinking about making the front fender I thought this angle looked meaner Or it could be I am still drooling over the photo chop idea of making this a one off like you have done



What it was before the chop is a SSC Ultimate Aero and looked like this





Zachycain (manoah2u@versatel.nl) MSG #734, 03-04-2013 01:54 PM
      some inspiration for you here?






Car-Lo MSG #735, 03-05-2013 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Zachycain:

some inspiration for you here?






Thank you so much Zachycain, now you're talking that's what RBS2 flavour buds are looking evil

 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

2014 Jeep Cherokee headlights? Madmaximised




Thanks fourpoint9 for the tip, that's looking meaner and the right size I'll have to check it out.
Things are pretty busy around here, RBS2 is going to have a nicer home for April 1st (with me )

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VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #736, 03-06-2013 12:09 PM
      Caddy tail lights!

jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #737, 03-12-2013 06:30 PM
      Stupid question for you guys.. Where do you buy your pliogrip from? Can you just order from preform? Around here I am having issues finding suppliers for the stuff most have never heard of preform but will readily try and sell the Valvoline stuff at the higher cost because they know it lol

Car-Lo MSG #738, 03-23-2013 10:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

Stupid question for you guys.. Where do you buy your pliogrip from? Can you just order from preform? Around here I am having issues finding suppliers for the stuff most have never heard of preform but will readily try and sell the Valvoline stuff at the higher cost because they know it lol


At Lordco here in Vancouver BC


Finally got a chance to play...
Started to tweak rocker scoops also made (bubbajoe's suggestion) longer spears and pliogriped them on door skins





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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #739, 03-25-2013 02:01 PM
      Maybe you might like the angle now?





nosrac MSG #740, 03-25-2013 11:52 PM
      Is the poor 3800SC going to get some luv..

Car-Lo MSG #741, 03-26-2013 11:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

Is the poor 3800SC going to get some luv..


Thanks for asking nosrac but this rambunctious little girl is BROKE no GO FAST GOODIES for now
Maybe just a little cosmetic polishing the SC to make her look nice and cute


Today more playing with rocker scoops





Without rocker scoop looks a lot cleaner, maybe do something different there



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pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #742, 03-27-2013 02:22 PM
      I see what you mean about the scoops, it does look less heavy... Liking those tail lights a lot!

nosrac MSG #743, 03-27-2013 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:
Today more playing with rocker scoops


Without rocker scoop looks a lot cleaner, maybe do something different there




Me thinks if you make the rocker scoop part symmetrical with the top part. Like a mirror image flipped on the scoop.



Car-Lo MSG #744, 03-28-2013 12:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pistonbroke:

I see what you mean about the scoops, it does look less heavy... Liking those tail lights a lot!


Thanks pistonbroke, today I roughed in scoops. but still not sure about anything anymore





 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


Me thinks if you make the rocker scoop part symmetrical with the top part. Like a mirror image flipped on the scoop.


Thanks for the input nosrac RBS2 is moving to a new home this weekend, so she'll have no internet for a few days
We'll play with your idea mock up with card at new home, see you there

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #745, 03-28-2013 12:47 AM
      John the energy you put into this car amazes me on a daily basis. If I had half the energy you do, I would finally have all my cars complete and a garage that was clean as a whistle. Do you figure you will have it ready for Arlington or the All Pontiac Show this season. That gives you 3 months roughly to finish this baby off.



Car-Lo MSG #746, 03-28-2013 01:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

John the energy you put into this car amazes me on a daily basis. If I had half the energy you do, I would finally have all my cars complete and a garage that was clean as a whistle. Do you figure you will have it ready for Arlington or the All Pontiac Show this season. That gives you 3 months roughly to finish this baby off.



Hey David, we all miss you up here in the North West Coast hurry back RBS2 is running low on body parts !

It's not the energy at all, we senior citizens have all the time to play with toys and nothing else to do
About Arlington, not this year the reason is I'm tweaking things over and over nothing gets finished.


GBglide (gbglide@comcast.net) MSG #747, 03-28-2013 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:



What happend to the modern Caddy tailights? Not that those look horrible or anything.....



pistonbroke (jcwrogers@googlemail.com) MSG #748, 03-28-2013 11:30 AM
      I like the classic caddy lights, gives it a real stylized appearance. for a more modern look paint it satin black inside and encase it in plexiglass. John I can imagine you can get a little disheartened at times but its really looking great!

I bet the Italian supercar manufacturers have at least dozen guys working on their projects who are not as talented as you and Clynt


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #749, 03-28-2013 12:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Hey David, we all miss you up here in the North West Coast hurry back RBS2 is running low on body parts !

It's not the energy at all, we senior citizens have all the time to play with toys and nothing else to do
About Arlington, not this year the reason is I'm tweaking things over and over nothing gets finished.


Edit to add my Reply.

I am still up in the air about which county to live in, but having a house with a huge shop and no landlord is really tempting. I would miss you all in Canada horribly, but it would sure be nice.

Now as to the body parts, I am not sure if you were joking or not, but if you check on our local forum, there will be a complete free set of body panels and interior bits here soon. Tristen aka Romeo, bought a parts Fiero so he can rob the drivetrain for his 86GT. Yes believe it or not, he is coming back to the fold. He has already posted once he gets the cradle out, the rest of the car will be up for grabs for free. So I am sure RBS2 could get any needed transplant parts from their.

Well I should be back in Canada at least for a month or 2 around the end of April. Maybe longer. Hmm, I just thought of something, could you PM me Clynts contact info. I am going to be needing to move a large amount of items soon. Wonder if he still has his moving Truck.

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RockDork (riverrunsred@comcast.net) MSG #750, 03-28-2013 01:08 PM
      This is the greatest build EVER!!!!!!!

355Fiero MSG #751, 03-28-2013 02:11 PM
      Car-Lo;

Car is looking great.

As a suggestion, I find it very helpful to take some primer and paint everything, you want to confirm, the same colour so you can see the true lines on everything without the distractions of the sand lines and different colours of pieces etc.. These additional distraction in the body work tend to take your eye away from the lines you are trying to see.

Good thing about primer is that you will end up sanding it away again anyway so no issues on further levels of putty not sticking correctly afterward. Really makes a huge difference in the look. The Photoshops done here are good but can still get you distracted. A thin coat primer does wonders for the evaluation phase.

Keep up the great work
Don


Car-Lo MSG #752, 04-01-2013 02:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GBglide:


What happend to the modern Caddy tailights? Not that those look horrible or anything.....


Thanks for asking GBglide, I won't be using the CTS Caddy Taillights and the Caddy rocket taillights I was just playing with photoshop
I'm still looking for taillights


 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

Car-Lo;

Car is looking great.

As a suggestion, I find it very helpful to take some primer and paint everything, you want to confirm, the same colour so you can see the true lines on everything without the distractions of the sand lines and different colours of pieces etc.. These additional distraction in the body work tend to take your eye away from the lines you are trying to see.

Good thing about primer is that you will end up sanding it away again anyway so no issues on further levels of putty not sticking correctly afterward. Really makes a huge difference in the look. The Photoshops done here are good but can still get you distracted. A thin coat primer does wonders for the evaluation phase.

Keep up the great work
Don


Thanks Don for your suggestion that's a great plan and I'll do that next before anymore tweaking, she does look camouflaged now



Today is the last time in her old garage, Clynt and I moved everything over to new home, RBS2 is home alone waiting for tomorrow.



Also many thanks to Clynt for moving all my family over to new home too

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Car-Lo MSG #753, 04-01-2013 11:11 PM
      Today Antony (nephew) and RBS2 waiting for tow truck...







Made a fun video of RBS2 waiting for tow truck and moving her to new place...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...7NIVcfhbyLNQ&index=1

Nice lines I may use a few on RBS2



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Car-Lo MSG #754, 04-09-2013 12:54 AM
      Today Clynt came over for a visit and have coffee at new place, but we ended up playing and tweaking
Dexster gave Clynt a happy welcome



We're trying to save the rocker scoops first before changing to something different



Bubbajoe's spears are getting longer for bigger game





A quick primer job suggested by 355Fiero(Don)



Photoshop tweaking, spear longer about 6" more and trimming rocker panel



Another view of same



Relocating wiper closer up (somehow we goofed the first time around)



Trimming wiper motor tray (that's as far we got today)





Nice slow afternoon for playing around, I'm still wasted from the move last weekend



While playing around with RBS2, next door neighbours came over to view the project, they thought it was a Lotus anyway nice welcome.

Today my nephew's daughter Selena and Carson came to visit us from Manitoba, also to check out RBS2 (Carson has a Fiero too)

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Car-Lo MSG #755, 04-14-2013 01:20 PM
      Yesterday afternoon before going to WCF meeting...
Clynt and I almost finished relocating wiper motor, where it should've been in the first place










Car-Lo MSG #756, 04-17-2013 09:42 PM
      Stripping fiero seats





Exposed frame
Using fiero frame to keep reclining backs (tall guys always lay back to fit)







Modifying frames to look similar to Lambo seats (a combo of Sesto, Perdigon and Aventador)
Playing around, quick photoshop...







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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #757, 04-18-2013 02:22 AM
      Speechless.

rodrieguz (rodrieguz@yahoo.com) MSG #758, 04-19-2013 11:28 AM
      How did you get those seat frames so clean?

Car-Lo MSG #759, 04-20-2013 12:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rodrieguz:

How did you get those seat frames so clean?


Thanks for asking rodrieguz, brush it on and with a little help glue peels off easy.



 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:

Speechless.


Thank you so much aeffertz, I've been very busy with home and family lately RBS2 progress will be picking up speed in a couple of weeks.



Car-Lo MSG #760, 04-20-2013 11:17 PM
      Today Tristan had a stripping party...









Thanks to Tristan, Patrick and Clynt, RBS2 has a van full of body parts to play with



Heretic MSG #761, 04-21-2013 12:02 AM
      Really liking this project! You do great work.

Car-Lo MSG #762, 04-22-2013 11:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Heretic:

Really liking this project! You do great work.


Thanks Heretic, project tweaked again

Today's update changing RBS2 nose as shown parts marked in red .



We had to lower front cross bar another 1-1/2" and move hinges back 4" to have Lambo nose look ( short and lower hood )



Also lower rad with more angle to clear lower hood (Clynt is modifying rad brackets)



Starting to tweak hood



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Car-Lo MSG #763, 04-23-2013 09:02 PM
      Cut out template from card







Rough layout, more tweaking later





jaredmurray88 (jrdmurray@gmail.com) MSG #764, 04-23-2013 09:26 PM
      I LOVE IT!!! Kinda look like mad max mixed in with a lil of speed racers mach 5! Two shows I will alwaays be up for watching!! Keep it up my canadian friends still lookin good.

Car-Lo MSG #765, 04-25-2013 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaredmurray88:

I LOVE IT!!! Kinda look like mad max mixed in with a lil of speed racers mach 5! Two shows I will alwaays be up for watching!! Keep it up my canadian friends still lookin good.


Thank you so much jaredmurray88, it's slowly evolving into all that mix the wiper bib looks better than last years

New wiper bib continues sloping down with same angle, makes overall windshield look longer





Playing around slapped parts on to visualize





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Car-Lo MSG #766, 05-02-2013 12:50 AM
     
Today I finished top rad mount...







Taken jacks off and drop RBS2 to ground, rad is only 20" high very low front nose











exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #767, 05-02-2013 01:20 AM
      I said it before,......

Car-lo everytime we think you have gone off the deep end by cutting up some already seemingly fabulous work, you make us all look silly by crafting something even better !

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kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #768, 05-02-2013 12:42 PM
      Nasty looking machine. True artistic exploration. Thanks for illustrating the pushing of the boundaries of the possible.

Ken



Car-Lo MSG #769, 05-06-2013 01:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

I said it before,......

Car-lo everytime we think you have gone off the deep end by cutting up some already seemingly fabulous work, you make us all look silly by crafting something even better !



Thanks exoticse, just two old grumpy guys having fun

Today Patrick came over to fix his cracked rocker panel, after that we all played with RBS2.
She was happy to get out from garage and we turned her around facing out, so we can play with front end.






we notice wheel rubbing fix that later





Started to cut and fit lights











 
quote
Originally posted by kennn:

Nasty looking machine. True artistic exploration. Thanks for illustrating the pushing of the boundaries of the possible.

Ken



Thanks Ken, looks like the front end will be similar to the Lambo Veneno

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GADJet MSG #770, 05-08-2013 04:35 PM
      Man this build always amazes me every time I open it back up. But honestly I think you need to rename the car to FRANKENSTEIN.

Car-Lo MSG #771, 05-08-2013 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GADJet:

Man this build always amazes me every time I open it back up. But honestly I think you need to rename the car to FRANKENSTEIN.


Thanks GADjet for the tip...Meet FRANK-EN-STEIN or FES1

Okay, here we go again I'm going for it the Veneno look



Rough mock up in card, one side only









Pete Matos MSG #772, 05-08-2013 10:50 PM
      Good lord this will be such a badass car if you ever get it finished... That nose is amazing.

Pete



Car-Lo MSG #773, 05-11-2013 08:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Good lord this will be such a badass car if you ever get it finished... That nose is amazing.

Pete



Thanks Pete, all mix of Lambos slowly getting done

Cutting off old RBS2 hood and building up FES1 Veneno hood






Flipped mock up to other side before cutting new hood parts make sure it's the same







Patrick dropped by

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TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #774, 05-12-2013 01:51 AM
      I can't believe I almost missed the giant frog head...so intensely looking at the work on your car...keep up the amazing work!


Car-Lo MSG #775, 05-13-2013 01:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by TXOPIE:

I can't believe I almost missed the giant frog head...so intensely looking at the work on your car...keep up the amazing work!


That's funny TXOPIE almost missing the TOAD (not a frog) and thank you for the compliment

 
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Originally posted by GADJet:

Man this build always amazes me every time I open it back up. But honestly I think you need to rename the car to FRANKENSTEIN.


Thanks again GADjet, thinking it over should be a female name " The BRIDE of FRANKENSTIEN" she's beautiful with a scary edge




Not much done this weekend (family thing)...

A butchered hood in progress, hood back bone left for some strength until finished, then remove more material

Front view



Back view



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #776, 05-13-2013 04:21 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Patrick dropped by




 
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Originally posted by TXOPIE:

I can't believe I almost missed the giant frog head...so intensely looking at the work on your car...


 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:

That's funny TXOPIE almost missing the TOAD (not a frog)


John, thanks for clarifying the toad/frog issue.


Car-Lo MSG #777, 05-13-2013 04:40 PM
      He,he,he nobody noticed there's one TOAD in bucket on page 17

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Car-Lo MSG #778, 05-13-2013 06:03 PM
      Very rough photoshop done in popcorn anyway you get the rough idea



One more Lambo to add to the mix



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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #779, 05-13-2013 09:56 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:

He,he,he nobody noticed there're one TOAD in bucket on page 17


 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:




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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #780, 05-15-2013 12:33 PM
     

Car-lo what material is that you are using to mock up the decklid vents and the nose ??


Car-Lo MSG #781, 05-15-2013 01:51 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:
Car-lo what material is that you are using to mock up the decklid vents and the nose ??


It's called... DISPLAY CARD 6 PLY 30"X44" (at your local art store)


fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #782, 05-15-2013 04:50 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:


Thanks Pete, all mix of Lambos slowly getting done

Cutting off old RBS2 hood and building up FES1 Veneno hood






Flipped mock up to other side before cutting new hood parts make sure it's the same







Patrick dropped by




Are those the last gen. Toyota Celica headlights?....Plus are you gonna stay with a round gas door or more angular to match the rest of the body contours?



Car-Lo MSG #783, 05-15-2013 05:47 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by fierogtlt1:

Are those the last gen. Toyota Celica headlights?....Plus are you gonna stay with a round gas door or more angular to match the rest of the body contours?


Yes Celica headlights, about the round gas door I was thinking about that and yes I'll have to do something there (one thing leads to another)

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FREE...uhb=1#ht_8236wt_1398


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #784, 05-17-2013 11:12 AM
      I have never seen a car get as much attention as my Murci replica. I'll bet that if it was parked next to your finished car that yours would out draw mine by a long ways though. Do you have a tentative estimate of your finish time? I still have sad feelings that your original car is no more in spite of my full approval of what you are doing.

BOBBY D (dragolic01@yahoo.com) MSG #785, 05-18-2013 09:20 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Car-Lo:

Front view

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Is that supposed to look like the pontiac sysmbol on purpose or do I see pontiac in everything?



Car-Lo MSG #786, 05-18-2013 11:02 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by BOBBY D:

Is that supposed to look like the pontiac sysmbol on purpose or do I see pontiac in everything?



Not really, I was just cop