Haus of Guru: The Ultimate Car Build Off
Topic started by: bmwguru, Date: 01-29-2011 11:02 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000128.html


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #1, 01-29-2011 11:02 AM
      Since I have been a big fan of the show on the Discovery Channel, and there isn’t a season 2 coming out, I decided to make our next swap more interesting.
Here is the deal:

The car:
1987 GT 5 speed
Two technicians/fabricators
Five days to build the car. January 31st to February 4th

A little history:
This car sat at Loyde’s Fast Fieros in Texas from July 17, 2007 to December 3, 2010 untouched and waiting for the mods we are about to do. Charles (the owner) has been without his baby for a long time and I wanted to show him how the Guru’s team can get this done promptly and accurately.

The build:

Remove the existing stock 3800s/c to turn it into a show quality high horsepower car

The mods:
RD poly mounts
RD upgraded slave cylinder
RD dog bone
4” cold air intake
Guru ported blower case and lower intake manifold
Guru custom pcm tune
Guru custom a/c hose
Guru low mount alternator and dog bone….the existing dog bone mount has been cut out, so we will weld a new one into the Fiero
ZZP 3.25” supercharger pulley
ZZP short stack intercooler using G12 coolant instead of Dexcool….G12 is Volkswagen red coolant. Custom intercooler fill using a Volkswagen coolant reservoir
ZZP front mount water to air heat exchanger
42.5 Lucas injectors
Northstar throttle body
NGK TR6 spark plugs
XP Hot cam with 105lb springs and timing chain
Vens Autosports 304 stainless steel headers….fabricated by Ryan who works for me full time. These headers are custom made for the 3800 into the Fiero. They flow better than the aftermarket ones that are not designed for the Fiero chassis. We can make them either drop to the front or back depending on your preference. They use 1 5/8” primary pipe into a 2.5” collector to the Y-pipe. The Y-pipe has a 3” outlet. The complete exhaust will be stainless steel…..a Magnaflow stainless steel muffler and ending with Corvette C6 exhaust tips. To get my approval for these headers, they not only had to flow, the spark plugs had to be easy to service....which is by biggest problem with aftermarket headers.
Headers are ceramic coated and will be fiberglass wrapped and silicone coated then baked with the wrap
Relocate battery to the front trunk with our custom battery low mount battery tray.
Custom engine cooling system fill point with low temp thermostat
Spec stage 3 clutch…..say what you want about Spec, but I have had zero issues with their clutches. I follow the break in procedure to the T.
Wiring harness modifications and tuck
Low mount ignition coil with hidden wires
ZZP return less Billet fuel logs with hidden fuel pressure regulator and AN braided hose
Engine and transmission to be painted
Remove firewall insulation and paint engine bay satin black
Oil service with 5w40 synthetic oil and a Bosch oil filter
Transmission fluid service with Synchromesh

Suspension and chassis mods:
Shortened trunk
Held Motorsports bump steer kit
Koni shocks and struts
Rear coil overs
New front hubs and repack wheel bearings
RD solid cradle bushings

Front lowering springs
New rims and tires
Four wheel alignment

Other mods:
I need to rebuild the passenger side axle with new CV joints
New a/c hard lines from the rear to the front because the last one to work on the car cut and hacked them up.
New passenger side coolant pipe….our initial evaluation showed that it was crushed sometime during it’s life.
Front radiator hoses to be replaced

The fuel:

Two cases of Arizona RX Energy herbal tonic
Sleep MD
Our shop’s gym to pump some iron when we hit the wall
Joey’s homemade chili with some ghost pepper hot sauce
8oz of Boswell’s “Christmas Cookie” pipe tobacco for Dave and “Maple Leaf” for Ryan (Canadian’s love their maple, eh)
A few cases of dark beer for the evenings

The prep: (this is what was done prior to the five day period)
Order every single part down to the nut and bolt to get this swap completed.
Fabricate the stainless steel headers and cross over pipe. Ceramic coat the headers.
Fabricate the low mount alternator bracket for the Grand Prix alternator
Fabricate the thermostat housing

That is about it. Everything else will be done in the week. I have all the shop’s phone calls forwarded to voicemail and the doors will be locked. Tons of pics and videos will be posted.

Here are a few to start this off:



The parts list....yes, that is our gym and kitchen in the background.


The fuel.....


our thermostat housing....


Ryan TIG welding the headers....




Guru low mount alternator bracket....powdercoated too.





Much more to come.......



fieroguy123 (fieroguy1@yahoo.com) MSG #2, 01-29-2011 11:13 AM
      What an awesome idea!!! Sure I can't come and spectate for 5 days? Lol



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #3, 01-29-2011 11:36 AM
      This really needs to be forwarded to Discovery Channel after you are done! I'll bring my wife's camcorder when I come up in a few weeks.

JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #4, 01-29-2011 11:46 AM
      How great would it be to involved with this build!

WOO WOO WOO WOO! GO TEAM GURU!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #5, 01-29-2011 12:13 PM
      Wow, good luck!

Thats going to be a hectic 5 days!



ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #6, 01-29-2011 12:33 PM
      WOW,
now i know you have the ability to get er done...but my question is........
how the heck did you get Loyde to release the HOSTAGE ????
and do you think he will release anymore...lol
al


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #7, 01-29-2011 12:40 PM
      SWEET!!!

Are you going to make up a cool design sketch, like Chip Foose does for the Overhaulin' show?



AkursedX (akursedx@aol.com) MSG #8, 01-29-2011 12:47 PM
      Sweet! I really like the things you guys do. Im really glad we got guys like you out there producing some sweet Fieros! Ill be watching this thread as close as all your other builds!



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #9, 01-29-2011 01:23 PM
      BTW, I see no mention of music selections, to keep you psyched up. I humbly suggest "1320" by Megadeth, from their Endgame album.

Rick 88 MSG #10, 01-29-2011 02:01 PM
      This is great. Go Haus of Guru!

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Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #11, 01-29-2011 03:14 PM
      Aw man... i wish i had the vacation time from work to come down and watch! Aught to be awesome! How about a pre-insanity set of pics of the car the way it sits?

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #12, 01-29-2011 04:05 PM
      Ace, let's just say he realized he had no alternative.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #13, 01-29-2011 05:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Ace, let's just say he realized he had no alternative.


Would be nice if the same thing could be done for Will, but I don't want to ruin this thread with talk about that. Good luck Dave, I will be watching very closely!


ALLTRBO MSG #14, 01-29-2011 05:18 PM
      You guys are crazy!



Subscribed...



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #15, 01-29-2011 06:16 PM
      here are some before pics:









Note the exhaust has been blocked off and is ran towards the front. I'm surprised the KR wasn't through the roof because the exhaust seems to run back into itself before it dumps into the down pipe.


Here are some pics of the header fabrication using a test block and heads:









Alibi (eric.ostendorf@gmail.com) MSG #16, 01-29-2011 07:48 PM
      This looks like a fun thread

mptighe MSG #17, 01-29-2011 08:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Would be nice if the same thing could be done for Will, but I don't want to ruin this thread with talk about that. Good luck Dave, I will be watching very closely!


I was going to say the same thing. I hope WIll is reading this, maybe it will motivate him to go get his car.


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #18, 01-29-2011 09:03 PM
     

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #19, 01-29-2011 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:






Man I like that picture....Good looking headers too...



ALLTRBO MSG #20, 01-29-2011 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
Man I like that picture....

Me too, but it has nothing to do with the fact that my car is in it.

Oh, and ten points to anyone who can spot the irony.

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twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #21, 01-29-2011 09:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALLTRBO:

Me too, but it has nothing to do with the fact that my car is in it.

Oh, and ten points to anyone who can spot the irony.



All the car flags, and it's all Pontiacs in the shop. Fiero's anyway.

Brad


ALLTRBO MSG #22, 01-29-2011 09:43 PM
     

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #23, 01-29-2011 09:58 PM
      I know which one is yours.....

Tony Kania MSG #24, 01-29-2011 10:24 PM
     

You guys kill me! Awesome garage! Seriously.

Tony


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #25, 01-29-2011 10:40 PM
      I think that might be the "act right" stick!

The laptop looks to be a thinkpad... i'm guessing X series. Looks almost like the X60 i sold not too long ago. I restore thinkpads from time to time. Nothing beats the X41T i use daily though.

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katatak MSG #26, 01-29-2011 11:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Man I like that picture....Good looking headers too...


I agree 110% - All those Audi, Mercedes and VW banners - nothing but Fieros! My new background!

Great Idea and Thread Guru. Good Luck!


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #27, 01-30-2011 12:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Ace, let's just say he realized he had no alternative.


i like the way you operate. good luck with the build! i'll be watching (and drooling most likely.)



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #28, 01-30-2011 07:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

You guys kill me! Awesome garage! Seriously.

Tony


Tony, you spotted our mascot, Winkie.
I try to pose him in the background of some of the pics just to see if anyone notices. There were only a handful of members that knew I did that until this thread came out.....
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/079932.html
He is also on the welder in the background of the last pic of the headers.

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #29, 01-30-2011 07:19 AM
      Thanks for the compliments on the shop. I wish I could have posted the pics when it was cleaner, but with our crazy work week and lots of snow, salt and ice, the shop is a mess. We did wash the one bay that the black GT is in because we were working on a BMW E46 that the owner supplied his own DSC pump and module and we had to put in three before we got one that worked.....so let's just say that there was a lot of brake fluid on the ground.
Normally, you could eat off the floor.

The shop pics were taken at the end of the day. All the German cars that are staying over the next week were locked up outside. The Jetta TDI is inside parked under Alltrbo's car. The other cars are mine.....the orange and black V8, the VR6 Fiero and my gold GT 3800s/c that is getting another 100whp added to it this winter.

I am very excited to start off the week tomorrow.

Dave


Gokart Mozart MSG #30, 01-30-2011 07:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:





You need a Pontiac flag
http://www.bflags.com/pontiacflags.htm

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #31, 01-30-2011 08:04 AM
      I should get a Pontiac flag. I finally have my regular customers actually respecting the Fiero. Four years ago, they kinda stuck their nose up about my cars, but either their opinion has changed or I have better customers now.
Dave


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #32, 01-30-2011 09:51 AM
      Dave, this is great. I am glad to see that things do come back from the dead (or Texas as it were)
keep up the great work.
D.


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #33, 01-30-2011 10:30 AM
      See i was right... "Act right" stick. I've noticed that thing in a lot of pics. Just too funny!

Can't wait to see this.


AkursedX (akursedx@aol.com) MSG #34, 01-30-2011 10:46 AM
     

The 'act right' stick is in the background of this pic too....



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #35, 01-30-2011 12:07 PM
      Dave, is this your way of saying my car is going to have "balls".

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #36, 01-31-2011 05:42 AM
      I believe that your car will have balls....

Less than two hours until the start of our day. I don't expect to post the pics until tonight....and depending on how the videos come out as well. I'd like to take a video of us dropping the engine out and editing it into one of those "fast play" vids (can't remember the proper name).
My average time to drop a fiero engine from start to finish is an hour, fifteen minutes. With two of us, we should have it out in under 45 minutes.....if no bolts are rusted, stripped or seized.
Dave


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #37, 01-31-2011 06:04 AM
      Time lapse is what your looking for.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #38, 01-31-2011 06:59 AM
      Sweet~I love these types of builds! Another thread I can follow while on my trip! Guys good luck on the build and I am sure the owner will be uber appreciative since he has run into a few roadbloacks along the way (as I recall).

kwagner MSG #39, 01-31-2011 07:18 AM
      Just wanted to toss my two cents in. Great idea and thanks for helping out a fellow in need. You guys are top notch

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #40, 01-31-2011 09:29 AM
      Took a video of pulling out the drivetrain. 34 minute long video (not too shabby) with some comedy for the first few minutes. I'll find a way to edit it later and post up a link.
Dave


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #41, 01-31-2011 10:51 AM
      If you use windows, open up windows movie maker, and Just shink the filmstrip to the desired length... (If I recall correctly) and it will play faster... It is either that, or you add the effect... Anyways it is really simple and all windows computers should have this program.

Edit: Woot page 2 :]

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #42, 02-01-2011 08:11 AM
      Time to post some pics from yesterday. The video will need to be edited and posted. I'm short on time now, so hopefully some time later this week.

Here is what is completed after day 1.

Engine is removed and engine bay is prepped and painted satin black. Normally, I remove the wiring harness with the engine, but because I need to modify it, I left it in the engine bay. We installed the solid cradle bushings and the bump steer kit. It took longer than expected to install the kit, but no biggie.
The engine and transmission were degreased and painted. The poly engine mounts were installed. We lost a few hours to repair the atrocious install of the swap. They thought it was easier to drill the cradle with a torch and we couldn't get any of the mounts to line up. They also cut the original engine mount bracket off and moved it closer to the front of the cradle. We had to reconstruct the cradle on that side and make it useable again.
I rebuilt the passenger side axle with new cv joints. I don't like aftermarket axles because the joints are much smaller than the original Fiero axles.
The clutch was replaced. It looked like a stock valeo clutch that was installed. The valve covers were painted.
Here are some pics....

The original exhaust manifold


Lunch.....


The list....


we found a lot of wasp nests all over the car...




















the end of the day......





Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #43, 02-01-2011 10:05 AM
      That's a lot of work in one day! Lookin good guys! You sure your gonna need the whole week?



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #44, 02-01-2011 10:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:




That's gonna leave a stain


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #45, 02-01-2011 05:17 PM
      Lol, I hope it will wash off

Here are some pics from today. We still have a few hours to go, but I'm finally taking lunch....

Headers fiberglass wrapped and silicone coated to be cured at 400 degrees.




leakdown test and valve spring upgrade.






machined oil pump cover


double roller timing chain


camshaft being installed and lubed


battery relocation with new a/c hard lines from front to back


trunk shortened, welded and sealed


more pics in a little while with today's final update


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #46, 02-01-2011 08:01 PM
      Here are some pics as we close out our day....







and the Guru.....



GuitarFiero (person111@earthlink.net) MSG #47, 02-01-2011 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Headers fiberglass wrapped and silicone coated to be cured at 400 degrees.


I can vouch for doing this also. The only problem is little tiny pieces of fiberglass will be all over the first few miles of driving no matter what. We painted (rather soaked with paint) the fiberglass and torched the inside for it to bake and this still happened.



Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #48, 02-01-2011 08:46 PM
      Um... i have a question... Why not just make a battery box in the trunk if you were going to shorten it anyway? Less wiring and it's out of the way.

Something like here... Insulate and access panel it.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #49, 02-02-2011 12:11 AM
     

Texas wasp nests...wonder how those got there? Oh I remember...because my car sat at someone's house in northern Texas for 3 1/2 years instead of being worked on. Thanks for cleaning up the mess Dave!

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JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #50, 02-02-2011 01:13 AM
      Damn you bastards work fast! :]

Oh and I love the Gandalf looking pipe smoking picture




[QUOTE]Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT:

Um... i have a question... Why not just make a battery box in the trunk if you were going to shorten it anyway? Less wiring and it's out of the way.

Something like here... Insulate and access panel it.





Probably so there isn't a visible battery to be an eyesore... also it takes more weight from the back and moves it to the front for a better distribution of weight (as little as it may be lol...)



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #51, 02-02-2011 05:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:

Damn you bastards work fast! :]

Oh and I love the Gandalf looking pipe smoking picture



It is funny you say that....I just ordered this pipe a few weeks ago....still waiting for it to arrive.

http://macqueenpipes.com/agaricus.aspx

Yesterday, around 4:45pm we found one of the rear strut mounting plates was egg shaped. Luckily, the Fiero Store's UPS cutoff was made and we will have the new one in our hands sometime this morning. Today, I plan to port the blower case and modify the wiring harness. Ryan plans to finish up the intercooler plumbing install and fabricate the rest of the exhaust. We'll play it by ear for the rest of the day.

Dave


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #52, 02-02-2011 11:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


It is funny you say that....I just ordered this pipe a few weeks ago....still waiting for it to arrive.


Dave


That is totally awesome... I am a huge Tolkien fan. I was also into pipe smoking for a while :]


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #53, 02-02-2011 12:13 PM
      Here is our list of setbacks.....quite common on any Fiero swap. When I say setback, I mean a problem that wasn't expected.

Monday setback....
The engine mounts didn't line up with the cradle because the cradle was cut and welded for the front engine mount bracket. We had to fabricate a way to use the stock Fiero poly mounts and keep the drivetrain straight.

Tuesday setback.....
Found strut mounts egg shaped not allowing us to assemble the rear coil overs on schedule.
Found ignition coils to have excessive corrosion on the secondary poles. Had to order new ignition coils





Wednesday setback......
Found the blower snout bearings to sound like sandpaper. Also, the snount shaft was cracked and previously welded, but starting to crack again. I had a spare snout shaft in stock and pressed new bearings onto it for this snout.







Dave

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ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #54, 02-02-2011 01:51 PM
      Wow! You guys know your Shlt... Good work!



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #55, 02-02-2011 02:59 PM
      Lunch time!!!!!

Here are a few pics....

Heat exchanger mounted....



F355 bumper from front....



Intercooler reservoir mounted using a Volkswagen coolant bottle. It is kept at the highest point and has a bleed off hose to constantly purge air.



A close up pic of the ball flares of the headers. I wanted them designed this way.




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #56, 02-02-2011 06:15 PM
      Looks great, what part of the front did you mount the intercooler to?

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #57, 02-02-2011 06:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Looks great, what part of the front did you mount the intercooler to?


Here is a better pic. The funky crap they use to hang garage doors is not from us, but from whoever put on the F355 bumper.



We are tired.....the engine is in....



Tomorrow, we plan to finish the exhaust, wiring harness, front suspension, tune the pcm, run the plumbing for the fuel, radiator, and intercooler, weld in the new dog bone support, and fabricate some ignition wires.

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #58, 02-02-2011 07:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


Here is a better pic. The funky crap they use to hang garage doors is not from us, but from whoever put on the F355 bumper.



Dave, can you come up with a superior mounting method for my fog lamps? I hope the people that did the original swap are reading this and taking note on how it's supposed to be done!



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #59, 02-02-2011 07:56 PM
     

Your work is amazing! It's an inspiration to us all.

Please keep the pictures coming. One can never have too many pics.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #60, 02-02-2011 10:01 PM
     

Here's how my car looked back in 2003 (pre-swap)

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After the swap in 2004.


Seats from Mr. Mikes....took me some time....and a great deal of grip strength to do them...whew!


Wasn't too difficult doing the interior....ok...maybe it was...


This was the most fun part (calibrating the speedo)!


I didn't like the plain 11 1/4 Chrysler rotors so I installed these slotted and crossdrilled rotors. With all the power Dave's going to give my car I may have to upgrade to the 12" Brembo setup or the Wilwood 13" kit.

Here's what it looked like the day I shipped it to Loyde in July 2007




December 3, 2010 1/4 mile from Loyde's house after the rescue mission!



I spent over 2 weeks cleaning stuff out. Thought I would find some "critters" in the trunk. Did find evidence something was there.



My guess is these were this way because when I reclaimed my car during the initial inspection...the battery cover had been removed and was in the trunk. No telling how long it had been that way.

As you can all see from the pics Dave has been posting Team Guru has been going "balls to the walls" to make my car "right".

Hard to imagine they have gone from this on Monday morning....





...to this today!


Can't wait to see the videos Dave and what my car sounds like when you fire it up!

You guys ROCK!!!

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #61, 02-02-2011 10:11 PM
      Wait a tick.... not to start a war or anything but this is another car that sat in the aybiss of loyds yard untouched for years? gezze nice save Dave.. keep up the good work.

JPH87 (jphofeldt@msn.com) MSG #62, 02-02-2011 11:44 PM
      All I can say is cool all the way around cool build cool concept with what happend to the owner previous. COOL

IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #63, 02-03-2011 12:41 AM
      First off, great work Dave. Can't wait to see if you make your 5 day window.

Charlie64, who did the previous swap prior to taking your car to Loyde's? I am sure you don't want to turn this post into a flame war but if you had problems with the previous installer, then some of us who have swaps in mind for the future would like to know who to avoid.

What was wrong with your car prior to taking it to Loyde's? It looked pretty good (the car not so much the engine) and I am guessing it ran...or maybe not.

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nosrac MSG #64, 02-03-2011 11:14 AM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by IwannaIRM:

First off, great work Dave. Can't wait to see if you make your 5 day window.

Charlie64, who did the previous swap prior to taking your car to Loyde's? I am sure you don't want to turn this post into a flame war but if you had problems with the previous installer, then some of us who have swaps in mind for the future would like to know who to avoid.

What was wrong with your car prior to taking it to Loyde's? It looked pretty good (the car not so much the engine) and I am guessing it ran...or maybe not.



X2- Inquiring minds want to know.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #65, 02-03-2011 01:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


we found a lot of wasp nests all over the car...




Damn SILLY Northern's....Those are what you call dirt dobber nest made by none other that a dirt dobber not a wasp.....When you break the nest open you will find tons on dead insects that the baby dobbers feed on till they break out. A dirt dobber can build one of those nest fast and tons of them.......

Swap is looking good.......



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #66, 02-03-2011 01:44 PM
      Thanks for the compliments. We hit a major setback today. The wiring harness needs much more modifications to look show quality than I had expected. I've been working on it since 9am and still have many hours to go. I should have looked a little closer at it on our initial evaluation....it isn't hacked up or really a problem. Whoever designed the harness left all the automatic trans wiring and all the not needed wiring still in the harness. I also route my harness different to make it look cleaner, so rather than just reloomig and routing, I am basically building a new harness.
Dave


JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #67, 02-03-2011 02:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Damn SILLY Northern's....Those are what you call dirt dobber nest made by none other that a dirt dobber not a wasp.....When you break the nest open you will find tons on dead insects that the baby dobbers feed on till they break out. A dirt dobber can build one of those nest fast and tons of them.......

Swap is looking good.......


Mud dauber (sometimes called "dirt dauber," "dirt digger," "dirt dobber," "dirt diver", or "mud wasp") is a name commonly applied to a number of wasps from either the family Sphecidae or Crabronidae that build their nests from mud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_dauber

Yeah, they're cool, and very docile. Won't sting unless you really work hard to piss them off.

The rescue of this ride is looking good, can't wait to see it done! Is it going to get new paint as well?


darkhorizon MSG #68, 02-03-2011 02:28 PM
      Remember you can probably sell that harness as a XXX brand harness fairly easily.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #69, 02-03-2011 08:43 PM
      end of the day on Day 4...









The rear bumper is back on....we removed it to TIG weld the entire exhaust so that there are no parts that are not stainless steel....also a cleaner weld....the 3 wasp nests were removed from there as well. The wiring harness is completed. Tomorrow we still have a lot to do, but should still have it done by the end of the day....hopefully



JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #70, 02-03-2011 09:07 PM
      Is it really day 4 already? good job guys, its pretty awesome that you guys can pull off this kind of work, and still A. be sane, as far as we know and B. maintain this level of quality.

Great Job!


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #71, 02-03-2011 09:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IwannaIRM:

First off, great work Dave. Can't wait to see if you make your 5 day window.

Charlie64, who did the previous swap prior to taking your car to Loyde's? I am sure you don't want to turn this post into a flame war but if you had problems with the previous installer, then some of us who have swaps in mind for the future would like to know who to avoid.

What was wrong with your car prior to taking it to Loyde's? It looked pretty good (the car not so much the engine) and I am guessing it ran...or maybe not.



The car had little quirks in the rear suspension and I was looking for more power than a stock configuration. Check your PMs about the other info.
Charles


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #72, 02-03-2011 09:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


X2- Inquiring minds want to know.


Also, I drove the car from IL to VA....had an overheating issue which was solved with a 4 core radiator from V8Archie. Drove the car from VA to FLW, MO for a course I attended in 2005. No issues. Sent you a PM regarding the other question.


kyunderdawg MSG #73, 02-03-2011 09:28 PM
      OMG ! ! ! Dave, you and your crew are the $#@!.

Get these projects done so ya'll can come to KY.

Paul

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #74, 02-03-2011 09:33 PM
      Mud dauber (sometimes called "dirt dauber," "dirt digger," "dirt dobber," "dirt diver", or "mud wasp") is a name commonly applied to a number of wasps from either the family Sphecidae or Crabronidae that build their nests from mud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_dauber

Yeah, they're cool, and very docile. Won't sting unless you really work hard to piss them off.

The rescue of this ride is looking good, can't wait to see it done! Is it going to get new paint as well?[/QUOTE]

That's also in the works Jazz. Going to stick with black.


IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #75, 02-03-2011 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


The car had little quirks in the rear suspension and I was looking for more power than a stock configuration. Check your PMs about the other info.
Charles


thanks for the insight, I pm'd you back.

Once again, great work Dave, can't wait to see the video of the test drive and hear the exhaust note.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #76, 02-03-2011 10:15 PM
      I'm going to bring my wife's HD camcorder when I go up in a mere 15 days....but not like I'm counting Too bad I don't have an iPhone. I'd stream the video to youtube!

Bought her the camera for Christmas. She bought me a blender for making margaritas. Who were we really shopping for????


RACE (k.kyer@mchsi.com) MSG #77, 02-03-2011 10:23 PM
      Guru, you look tired. Get some Sleep.

Amazing work. I'll tune in tomorrow to see what you have done. Be safe.


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #78, 02-03-2011 10:41 PM
      Look on the bright side Dave. This Dave was micro-soldering 36-40 AWG all day long today. 100 connections per item and got 6 done today. My eyes hurt and i bet yours does too. Snooze!

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #79, 02-04-2011 06:00 AM
      I didn't need to solder any of the wires. They were too long, so I cut them and repinned them with new pcm terminals.
II'm getting ready for our final day....hoping everything goes as planned.
Dave


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #80, 02-04-2011 06:09 AM
      I wish you luck man.

kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #81, 02-04-2011 01:50 PM
     

Brimmy (brimcam@sfcn.org) MSG #82, 02-04-2011 05:29 PM
      Dave,

This is totally awesome that you could dedicate all efforts & time for 5 days to pull this off. We all envy your resources.
Do wish you were on the west coast .


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #83, 02-04-2011 05:56 PM
      Job is completed. Here is a quick startup video from my cell phone, so please excuse the crudeness. The only thing left is to put the decklid on and test drive, but both of us are beyond exhausted and the 12 pack at home is calling my name.
The unequal length headers make is rumble like a V8. Note the VW coolant bottle where the battery was. That is our intercooler reservoir that self purges the air and holds a decent amount of G12 coolant.





mptighe MSG #84, 02-04-2011 06:13 PM
      Damn Dave, that sounds tough! Good job man, I don't think anyone will ever be able to say anything against your skills.

Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #85, 02-04-2011 06:47 PM
     

You guys are awesome! Congrats on hitting your aggressive time line! That thing sounds mean!



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #86, 02-04-2011 07:30 PM
      RIGHTEOUS!!!!!

You guys ROCK!


Will-Martin MSG #87, 02-04-2011 07:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Ace, let's just say he realized he had no alternative.


P.M. Sent - Your car rocks!


Jake_Dragon MSG #88, 02-04-2011 08:16 PM
      Looking at your video is that an arc at the throttle body?

Great job!


carnut122 MSG #89, 02-04-2011 08:33 PM
      What Loyd couldn't/wouldn't do in 3 1/2 years, you did in 5 days! Fantastic job!

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #90, 02-04-2011 08:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Looking at your video is that an arc at the throttle body?

Great job!


That is the TB linkage arm moving when rev-ed....


Jake_Dragon MSG #91, 02-04-2011 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


That is the TB linkage arm moving when rev-ed....


Good.

Should have known it was something else. Again good job on the install


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #92, 02-04-2011 09:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will-Martin:


P.M. Sent - Your car rocks!


Thanks Will. Team GURU really came thru! PM sent for your other questions.

Charles


johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #93, 02-04-2011 10:27 PM
      This is awesome! Can I send the Joel project up to you now for a 3800? LOL

RACE (k.kyer@mchsi.com) MSG #94, 02-04-2011 10:48 PM
      Nice work. You did an amazing amount of work in such a short time. Good luck on the test drive.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #95, 02-05-2011 09:17 AM
      So now that phase 1 of this project is complete, we will be starting phase 2 after the 18th of this month. I don't plan to pull that off in a week's time, though. For phase 2, Charles wants new gauges, a dyno run, and I have a few suggestions that I plan to run by him.
I plan to keep updating this thread as we build the car....including more pics and videos in better lighting as well as our initial video of Ryan and I removing the drivetrain in 30 minutes.
Dave
ps...Ryan and I both agreed that this swap would have gone much easier if it had been a stock 2.8 for us to start out with, but thanks to careful planning and both of us being on the same page, we did indeed finish in the five day window. Our initial plan was to have it running by Wednesday and take it easy on Thursday and Friday. The wiring mods took me an additional day and for him, modifying the cradle and front engine mount so the engine wouldn't sit crooked took him an extra day.

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Macs86GT MSG #96, 02-05-2011 09:41 AM
      Dave needs his own TV show. That before pic was horrible how could anyone pass that off as a finished swap.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #97, 02-05-2011 09:43 AM
      Man it sure in impressive to see that car finnally back in the game! You guys really came through on it. My hat off to you! gCan't wait for some nice "clean car" pics today!!!!!

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ALLTRBO MSG #98, 02-05-2011 09:51 AM
     

That is most awesome. I hope the rest of it goes well, but I'm sure it will with you guys at the wheel.
Now if only my car could have been completed that fast. (Lots more custom one-off work, no chance. )

Charlie, I bet you're chomping at the bit!




NightMare Cruiser MSG #99, 02-05-2011 09:58 AM
      Jealious here!!

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #100, 02-05-2011 10:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALLTRBO:



That is most awesome. I hope the rest of it goes well, but I'm sure it will with you guys at the wheel.
Now if only my car could have been completed that fast. (Lots more custom one-off work, no chance. )

Charlie, I bet you're chomping at the bit!





I've had a grin from ear to ear since seeing the video I'm very interested to hear what else Dave has in mind

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #101, 02-05-2011 07:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Job is completed. Here is a quick startup video from my cell phone, so please excuse the crudeness. The only thing left is to put the decklid on and test drive, but both of us are beyond exhausted and the 12 pack at home is calling my name.
The unequal length headers make is rumble like a V8. Note the VW coolant bottle where the battery was. That is our intercooler reservoir that self purges the air and holds a decent amount of G12 coolant.




Nice man, very nice.



JPH87 (jphofeldt@msn.com) MSG #102, 02-07-2011 12:30 PM
      Very impressive

carnut122 MSG #103, 02-07-2011 06:56 PM
      Only one thing missing.................................................................................................where's the finger?

Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #104, 02-07-2011 09:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

Only one thing missing.................................................................................................where's the finger?


Yeah! Somehow i feel like we've been jipped.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #105, 02-07-2011 09:56 PM
      That's what's missing....the "Joey" pose!

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #106, 02-08-2011 05:46 AM
      I'll have to get a finger pic posted for you guys. We took the weekend to sleep and came back to a nuthouse at the shop today. I should close my shop up for a week every few months. I have more German car work than we can handle waiting for us.
If the weather clears up, I plan to start putting some "break in" miles on Charlie's car. I have the rev limiter set kind of low for now to prevent killing the new cam. I'll bump it back up after a few hundred miles.
I will post up the details as to what phase II of this build will be. Mostly suspension and brake mods. I plan to try and get Alltrbo's alternator bracket fabricated before then.
Dave


Robert 2 MSG #107, 02-08-2011 06:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

Only one thing missing.................................................................................................where's the finger?





For now till the real one Lol


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #108, 02-08-2011 10:48 AM
      I've been trying to post up the initial video of the drivetrain removal, but can't seem to edit it small enough. Any ideas? Or is anyone willing to work with it if I mail it to them on a flash drive?
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #109, 02-08-2011 11:34 AM
      Let me see what I can do.

darkhorizon MSG #110, 02-08-2011 03:24 PM
     
 
quote
I have the rev limiter set kind of low for now to prevent killing the new cam. I'll bump it back up after a few hundred miles.


I highly suggest against having any type of rev limiter on the car. Rev limits cut fuel, and re-enable it very quickly on a revlimiter, and even more so with a modded motor. This causes lean conditions and I know from experience what happens after that. Set the rev limiter to 7200 in every car you tune and dont ever change it.

There is nothing that you can do to a hydrolic roller cam that can harm it from the first day it is installed to 200k miles, they come hardened and "broken in" from the factory.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #111, 02-08-2011 03:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

I've been trying to post up the initial video of the drivetrain removal, but can't seem to edit it small enough. Any ideas? Or is anyone willing to work with it if I mail it to them on a flash drive?
Dave


I can do it. How big is the video in MegaBytes?

You can upload it to me, mail it to me on a flash drive or whatever...
I can upload the entire video to Youtube, as I no longer have a time limit to my videos.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #112, 02-08-2011 03:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


I can do it. How big is the video in MegaBytes?

You can upload it to me, mail it to me on a flash drive or whatever...
I can upload the entire video to Youtube, as I no longer have a time limit to my videos.


I just checked my youtube and I can now upload longer videos.....I'm glad cause I thought I was going to have to host it on a p o r n site...lol

Dave

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Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #113, 02-08-2011 05:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


I just checked my youtube and I can now upload longer videos.....I'm glad cause I thought I was going to have to host it on a p o r n site...lol

Dave



Well, if you need help, lemme know.
I believe I can do up to 2 hours now.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #114, 02-16-2011 08:20 PM
      I hope things are settling down there in the shop!

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #115, 02-17-2011 07:32 AM
      I've had the flu for the past week...pushing 103 fever daily...and still at the shop. Hoping to be all better for when Charlie comes up on Monday to test out his ride.

JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #116, 02-17-2011 12:20 PM
      Sorry to hear it man. I hope you better soon!

Vernon8360 MSG #117, 02-17-2011 08:07 PM
      Beautiful work. Really something to be proud of. Take some time for yourself and kick that bug.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #118, 02-17-2011 08:48 PM
      Works out better that way since I was sick too.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #119, 02-19-2011 11:48 AM
     

What more can you say???

More pictures after my visit with Dave this Monday!!!!

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #120, 02-19-2011 05:47 PM
      I set all my rev limiters to cut the spark and not the fuel, so the engine will not go lean when it cuts in. It is also a smoother cut out than having the fuel cut first. I also am getting very skilled with the hp tuners software.....and spent the extra cash on their tuning school books...which did clear up a few things.
Dave


Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #121, 02-20-2011 11:09 AM
      What can I say. Excellent work probably says it best. After all those 3800SC swaps can an LS4 swap be next? An LS4 but it looks like a job that needs mucho fabricating and programming What disuaded me from doing one is the torque/traction control issues with the PCM I am sure that the problem has been solved by now and that we will see one done by your shop in the near future. Anyone who can swap a Volkswagen engine in a Fiero can certainly do an LS4.



darkhorizon MSG #122, 02-21-2011 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

I set all my rev limiters to cut the spark and not the fuel, so the engine will not go lean when it cuts in. It is also a smoother cut out than having the fuel cut first. I also am getting very skilled with the hp tuners software.....and spent the extra cash on their tuning school books...which did clear up a few things.
Dave


Oh how I ever wish that was true, but you can NOT turn spark off on a 3800 for any reason. The only thing you can do is subtract a lot of spark advance so it runs poorly (which is not that reliable in all operating systems for some reason).

I am still debating going to a MSD system ($500+) for JUST the ability to cut spark.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #123, 02-21-2011 03:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:


Oh how I ever wish that was true, but you can NOT turn spark off on a 3800 for any reason. The only thing you can do is subtract a lot of spark advance so it runs poorly (which is not that reliable in all operating systems for some reason).

I am still debating going to a MSD system ($500+) for JUST the ability to cut spark.


I'll send you a pm with my procedure and you tell me what you think. I've done it on a few of the swaps and the rev limiter doesn't throw you into the windshield anymore.
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #124, 02-21-2011 08:02 PM
      The trip out to the Haus today was great! Not only did I get to see all the progress on my car...I got the services done on my Benz while I was out for my first ride in the Ferrero since the resurrection! With stage 1 over 90% complete Team Guru is looking ahead to stage 2. All videos are available in HD. Enjoy! I know I did

This was my first time seeing the car since Joey picked it up other than pictures provided by Dave. Seeing it gave me more of an appreciation for what Team Guru did.

This took place while Dave was servicing my Benz. Definitely gets from me!

The following are "passes" to see how it sounds from a distance and as it passes by.




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ALLTRBO MSG #125, 02-21-2011 09:32 PM
      Awesome!

I just got finished watching all of your vids (Also a couple more that aren't linked here?). You're obviously a very happy dude. I look forward to seeing Stage 2!

BTW, how is my poor ugly thing, did you check it out too?

Also, you've got a PM.

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ALLTRBO MSG #126, 02-21-2011 09:47 PM
      Oh, to embed, put Youtube tags around the regular link, like this: [youtube]insert link here[/youtube]

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #127, 02-21-2011 10:13 PM
      I have the video from Dave of the "drop of the bad 3800SC swap". I'm going to have to break it down into 3 segments, but in it's entirety it's only 34 minutes....yes 34 minutes. That includes comic relief from Team Guru.

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #128, 02-21-2011 10:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

I have the video from Dave of the "drop of the bad 3800SC swap". I'm going to have to break it down into 3 segments, but in it's entirety it's only 34 minutes....yes 34 minutes. That includes comic relief from Team Guru.


If you get that to me, I can post it in it's entirety...


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #129, 02-22-2011 01:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


If you get that to me, I can post it in it's entirety...



Email sent with attachment.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #130, 02-22-2011 02:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:



Email sent with attachment.


Waiting for it...
The attachment may be a bit large at 197MB, but I can set you up with an FTP site to send it to if it does not arrive.


darkhorizon MSG #131, 02-22-2011 02:36 PM
      That car does not sound right... in a good way!

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #132, 02-22-2011 04:15 PM
      What muffler did you use on this swap?



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #133, 02-22-2011 04:30 PM
      We used a Magnaflow stainless steel muffler for a Camaro with a 3" inlet and 2.5" outlets
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #134, 02-22-2011 04:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


Waiting for it...
The attachment may be a bit large at 197MB, but I can set you up with an FTP site to send it to if it does not arrive.


Understood. Just let me know.


carnut122 MSG #135, 02-22-2011 10:55 PM
      That engine/exhaust sounds great!

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #136, 02-27-2011 08:43 AM
      Any update on that 34 minute long video of us pulling the engine? I could just post it up unedited. If there is interest, I'll just post it on my Youtube.
The latest update for now is parts have been ordered for Phase II. Right now it is a race at the Haus to see if we can get Midtrbo done first.
Dave


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #137, 02-27-2011 12:27 PM
      Video posted..

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #138, 03-04-2011 10:44 PM
      A great day for testing!!!



tbone42 MSG #139, 03-05-2011 12:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

Video posted..



Nice. What was in the pipes? Captain Black?



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #140, 03-05-2011 06:05 AM
      We only smoke Boswell's blends. I smoke Christmas cookie and Ryan smokes Maple. Thanks to Charlie, we have a few more kinds of Boswell's blends to sample.

http://www.boswellpipes.com/tobaccoblends.html

That was just a quick video in our parking lot. I tuned the car this week and the fuel trims are perfect, zero KR, and the car is just so much better now. We plan to get the dyno'ed on the 18th of this month, so in the meantime we have the phase II mods to do, which are mostly chassis, headliner, parking brake, and a few other odds and ends.

Also, Charlie is selling his original aftermarket rims and tires and a set of front WCF lowering springs and rear Eibach lowering springs. I'll post them up in the Mall next week with pics and prices.

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thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #141, 03-05-2011 11:20 PM
      pm sent dave..

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #142, 03-06-2011 02:11 AM
      Maybe i missed it, but what brakes are you running ?

Also do you still have that engine cover ? Had an idea.

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #143, 03-06-2011 03:34 PM
      Lebaron brake discs with Camaro/Caddy calipers....and no, the engine cover is no longer around.
Dave


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #144, 04-08-2011 04:51 PM
      Here is a little update on this build. During our testing period, I discovered the original wiring harness that was supplied with the swap wasn't meeting my standards. It kept cutting out the cam sensor signal after it would get hot. This is why I will not cut and solder my wiring harnesses. They last for a little while and then the heat gets to it and it turns into a mess.
Charles also wants his new set of gauges installed and we are waiting on the bigger brake kit to arrive that will replace the Lebaron brake setup currently on the car.
Here are a pic of the gauges.






Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #145, 04-14-2011 06:03 PM
      Who's the manufacturer for the gauges?
Does he/she include the custom decals, or is that a 3rd party?


ALLTRBO MSG #146, 04-14-2011 06:45 PM
      Speedhut...
www.speedhut.com

They have Fiero logos as well as many others that you can add to your gauges, they light up just like the numbers do. There are also many other options, very cool IMO. I also have a customized set waiting to go into my Fiero.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #147, 04-15-2011 11:33 PM
      Here are some of the items that will be added by Team Guru...









I'm confident these brakes will be able to stop my car on a pinhead...

I have some decals I'm going to put on the car as well once the widebody kit from Archie is installed and a fresh paint job.

Here's the center caps for my new wheels. Sure took some time to make these.



BlackGT Codde (dakotaford1991@gmail.com) MSG #148, 04-16-2011 04:07 PM
      who makes those wheels by the way...
im loving them


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #149, 04-16-2011 07:57 PM
      The wheels are TSW Indy 500s (17x8). I got them from www.discounttiredirect.com and was very pleased with the customer support as well as tech support. They have great web specials and regularly have free shipping. They are currently running a special for $100 off and free shipping on the wheels I have making the price "out the door" $661. I called them about extra center caps after my wheels came in...explained to them what I wanted to do with the extras (hopefully the results speak for me) and they sent them to me at no charge. Currently I'm running 225/45/17s up front and 255/40/17s in the rear. I can probably go up to 265s. Since I'm looking at adding the widebody kit from Archie I'm looking at wheel spacers to still make it look right. After doing the calculations I figure the 50mm spacers from KGS Engineering (www.kgsengineering.com/p26788/vp576/1984-1988%20Pontiac%20Fiero%2050mm%20Wheel%20Spacer.html) will work and leave only half an inch since the kit widens the body 3 inches per side. The fronts should be ok the way they are.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #150, 04-16-2011 10:58 PM
      I forgot to add this yesterday, but here are the emblems I made a few months ago for the nose grill and rear light panel. These present a cleaner look than my first attempt (the ones currently on the car). Thanks for the inspiration Kolja (aka Yellowstone).

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Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #151, 04-18-2011 09:58 PM
      6-pot calipers? I'm jealous..

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #152, 04-18-2011 10:59 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by bmwguru:

We used a Magnaflow stainless steel muffler for a Camaro with a 3" inlet and 2.5" outlets
Dave


Any particular year camaro ?

Are you guys selling the brake kit ?


InTheLead MSG #153, 04-18-2011 11:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Any particular year camaro ?

Are you guys selling the brake kit ?


Sounds like it's the V8Archie big brake kit, or one very similar to it.

11.25" vented Lebaron rotors, 82'-89' Camaro front calipers (the ones for the 4 wheel disc brakes not the front disc rear drums), 80'-85' Seville rear calipers and I believe a 92'-94' Chevy 1/2 ton pickup master cylinder~

http://v8archie.com/v8Archie/home.htm - it's listed under 'Products' and then 'Brake conversions'

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #154, 04-22-2011 06:55 AM
      It was the Archie kit. I used 92 Camaro fronts, 88 Caddy rears, and 11 1/4 Chrysler rotors.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #155, 04-25-2011 11:25 PM
      Dave just got the calipers today. They're going to look great on the car.




bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #156, 04-27-2011 01:42 PM
      here area few more pics.....

I decided to redo the wiring harness all together. The repairs that we made to make it cleaner worked, but the hidden solder in the engine bay kept causing camshaft sensor issues. So, we start from scratch and get it right.

We also mounted the brake kit and flushed the system with the ATE Super Blue Dot 4 brake fluid.

Here are a few pics....














Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #157, 04-27-2011 01:47 PM
      Interested in seeing your mounting method for the spot calipers, and how you made the e-brake cables work with them..

I am considering spot calipers for my 86SE with the Grand Am upgrade, as I have no e-brake currently and have a manual transmission..



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #158, 04-27-2011 03:11 PM
      http://www.westshorefabrica...ero/KitCarBrakes.htm



jreigner MSG #159, 04-27-2011 04:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Here is a little update on this build. During our testing period, I discovered the original wiring harness that was supplied with the swap wasn't meeting my standards. It kept cutting out the cam sensor signal after it would get hot. This is why I will not cut and solder my wiring harnesses. They last for a little while and then the heat gets to it and it turns into a mess.
Charles also wants his new set of gauges installed and we are waiting on the bigger brake kit to arrive that will replace the Lebaron brake setup currently on the car.
Here are a pic of the gauges.





How long have you waited to get you gauges? They told me 2 weeks till I get mine- - and they are in Utah fer cryin out loud.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #160, 04-27-2011 09:14 PM
      Mine was about two weeks. Must be the standard company line. Who are you working with?

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IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #161, 04-27-2011 11:39 PM
      Great looking brake setup. Wish I had those on my Fiero. They'd stop my Fiero on a dime and give you change.

Your car is coming along nicely.
Woohoo, I own a page...

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #162, 04-27-2011 11:56 PM
      Here are some of the before and after pictures.

Now these 11 1/4 rotors with the camaro/caddy calipers are respectable, but seem insufficient now.....

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...compared to these...





N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #163, 04-28-2011 12:27 AM
      ...I came.

BlackThunderGT MSG #164, 04-28-2011 12:51 AM
      Oh damn! Now I am going to have to spend more money on my build... those are so bitchin'

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #165, 04-28-2011 08:30 AM
      I like how my center caps came out also. I'll have to make a set in red to compliment the calipers.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #166, 04-28-2011 09:49 AM
      Next will be the 60mm hella lights.

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #167, 05-07-2011 05:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Next will be the 60mm hella lights.



actually, next are the door rebuilds

While we were waiting for the headlight buckets to arrive, we took the doors apart to replace the window felt, window motors, clean and lube the regulators, replace the dew wipes, and replace the driver's side door hinges. We are also going to attempt to polish out the scratches in the window glass.

I can't believe how fast the windows go up and down now. I have a feeling I'll be doing this on all my own Fieros.

Here are a few pics....













Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #168, 05-30-2011 08:58 PM
      Some updates on what's been happening. Team Guru has created a custom instrument panel and installed my new gauges. Since it's a black car with black interior...I opted for white face gauges with blue font.







And for night time we have this....













Watch for the dyno results coming soon!!!


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #169, 06-02-2011 11:43 AM
     


nosrac MSG #170, 06-02-2011 02:40 PM
      Decided to make a guesstimate since you havent posted yet 315 HP 345 TQ



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #171, 06-02-2011 03:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

Decided to make a guesstimate since you havent posted yet 315 HP 345 TQ


I didn't post anything yet because it wasn't running 100% on the dyno. The car was running lean over 4000rpms and even with playing with the tune on the dyno, nothing was helping. Either the fuel pump couldn't keep up or the MAF is going bad, but I'll be doing a proper diagnosis this weekend and hopefully I'll get it back on the dyno before it heads out to Archie next weekend.

It generated 330whp and 348 ft lbs. I expected 360whp and it should be good for it.


nosrac MSG #172, 06-02-2011 03:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


I didn't post anything yet because it wasn't running 100% on the dyno. The car was running lean over 4000rpms and even with playing with the tune on the dyno, nothing was helping. Either the fuel pump couldn't keep up or the MAF is going bad, but I'll be doing a proper diagnosis this weekend and hopefully I'll get it back on the dyno before it heads out to Archie next weekend.

It generated 330whp and 348 ft lbs. I expected 360whp and it should be good for it.


LQ4 MAF and Corvette Fuel Pump (ep-376)?

Was the Dyno tested with 93 octane gas, stock timing?

I did not hear any SC whine although the exhaust sounded damn good.



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #173, 06-02-2011 03:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


LQ4 MAF and Corvette Fuel Pump (ep-376)?

Was the Dyno tested with 93 octane gas, stock timing?

I did not hear any SC whine although the exhaust sounded damn good.


It is using 93 octane. The timing is not stock. N* throttle body with LQ4 MAF, I have the correct MAF table and the car is running a 3.0" pulley. There is plenty of blower whine...lol. In the video, the exhaust overpowers it a bit

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #174, 06-03-2011 07:47 AM
      It's still a 200% improvement over the original swap.

nosrac MSG #175, 06-03-2011 09:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

It's still a 200% improvement over the original swap.


Whatcha going to do with it @ Archie's...topChop?


nosrac MSG #176, 06-03-2011 09:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:


The car was running lean over 4000rpms and even with playing with the tune on the dyno, nothing was helping.

It generated 330whp and 348 ft lbs. I expected 360whp and it should be good for it.


Does it have any KR? I read bad reviews on the Short Stack IC, maybe that is your bottleneck? You may need to drop to a 2.8 to make the 360hp mark, but I am not sure if the SS IC can keep KR at bay at that power level?


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #177, 06-03-2011 09:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


Does it have any KR? I read bad reviews on the Short Stack IC, maybe that is your bottleneck? You may need to drop to a 2.8 to make the 360hp mark, but I am not sure if the SS IC can keep KR at bay at that power level?


Yes, I have checked for KR. It is not experiencing any. I datalogged the dyno runs as well for me to review. Like I said before, I'll be diagnosing it this weekend. The intercooler is working great....I've been playing around with the SSIC on my gold GT and I have mine cooling better than a full size IC by making some slight adjustments to the way it works. I also have a plan put together using Mercedes Benz technology to help cool the fuel and intercooler while still maintaining serious power.

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #178, 06-03-2011 12:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


Whatcha going to do with it @ Archie's...topChop?


Widebody kit and hood. Who better to install Archie's kit than Archie?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #179, 06-03-2011 01:16 PM
      Having it painted locally after Archie is done with it. I'm going to add these decals.

For the front fenders...



Door jams and engine bay...

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #180, 06-04-2011 10:52 PM
      Isn't this a wonderful sight???



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #181, 06-10-2011 08:57 AM
      Today concludes our part of this build. Charlie is on his way to come up and test out what he paid me for. Joey will be hauling it to Archie this evening for the widebody kit.
Many pics to come.

Dave


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #182, 06-10-2011 08:44 PM
      Charlie came out to test out his finished product and was very pleased. Here are a few pics from today. I'm sure he will post up his pics and videos from the visit.

The one thing I can say that Charlie takes care of....is keeping us well hydrated in this hot weather.... He always fills the shop fridge for our after hours beverage enjoyment.



loading the trailer to take the Fiero to Archie to do the widebody....



Ryan loading the Fiero....



Guru smoking his new Boswell pipe. (I purchase a new pipe upon completion of each swap)



Joey leaving with the Fiero



And Charlie, I wish I took a pic of your smile after you took your car out for the test drive....that would have said it all. Next time you visit, we will have to endulge in some jersey burgers (pork roll on a cheeseburger)


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #183, 06-11-2011 12:16 AM
      It was a great visit. The brakes were SO NICE! I highly recommend this system from Westshore Fabricators. Already anxious for the next project with you guys. Ryan, I was actually able to find a place about the wheels. I'm waiting for a response. I also have an inquiry in with Erik to see if he can fabricate spacers to go from the 5x100 to 5x114.3. I was actually able to find the same wheel in 18x9.5, but with the 5x114.3 bolt pattern. That's the contingency plan if I can't get the current wheels widened.

Does this mean you going to get another pipe after we do even more tweaks to my car? Can't wait for you to "dial in" more power!!!


Wish I had thought of this one!!!


The gauges came out great!!! Excellent work in the instrument panel Dave Sure is nice having WORKING gauges....


Joey, this one doesn't count yet since the car is not completely finished...lol. Thanks again for hauling it to Archie. If all goes well with Archie it should be ready for pickup by the end of the month.


Remember...I'm coming back up there after it's painted and ready to go. That will give us the chance to take pictures with the "finished" car and some video of the Team Guru cars. Not sure where I'm going to fit all the "supplies" when I come up in that car!


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #184, 06-11-2011 01:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:





Dave, Thanks for making me feel my 4pot Wilwood dynalite look inferior now...
God, I'd love these on my '86.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #185, 06-11-2011 02:38 AM
      The widebody will look sharp.

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sabooo MSG #186, 06-11-2011 07:47 AM
      Congrats, Charlie! I know just how you're feeling right now. I can tell you that a year later, it feels just a good to own a car you know was done right!

Hopefully Archie's team is quick with their work so you can get started enjoying driving this beast!

Cheers,
Rich



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #187, 06-11-2011 10:03 AM
      I just got the call from Joey that the car is now in Archie's possession and the next phase of this build is in his hands.

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #188, 06-11-2011 06:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:




Dave, Thanks for making me feel my 4pot Wilwood dynalite look inferior now...
God, I'd love these on my '86.


And they have such awesome stopping power!!! Contact Erik @ Westshore Fabricators. He'll take care of you.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #189, 06-11-2011 06:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by sabooo:

Congrats, Charlie! I know just how you're feeling right now. I can tell you that a year later, it feels just a good to own a car you know was done right!

Hopefully Archie's team is quick with their work so you can get started enjoying driving this beast!

Cheers,
Rich



Thanks Rich. I knew Team Guru was going to make my car the way it was meant to run. Dave has more ideas in mind so those are definitely on the calendar for this year. Looking forward to comparing cars with you when this is all done. I'm still debating on what color I want to have it painted. I'm not sure about leaving it black since that is so time consuming to keep clean. Was thinking Corvette yellow or Silver.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #190, 06-12-2011 08:13 PM
      Here's some video from my visit Friday. Sorry...I didn't take any video from my driving it, but it was still so worth it

I actually wanted to just listen to it idle...BEEFY!!!


Got Dave to "goose it" a few times...


I think Ryan really enjoyed this part! Anyone else notice Joey's socks???


Ryan showing off in his car...


I'm very happy Joey made it home safe after this long trip. She'll get to see the car before I will since she's picking it up!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #191, 06-14-2011 10:06 AM
      WideBody install day #1

We didn't take many "before" pictures. I did take a lot of "before" video but everyone already has seen the before images.



It didn't take long to start tearing it apart.





Then we started mocking the body up on the car.....

Because we are limited in time to do this build, we did some of the prep on the MadArch WideBody parts before the car got here. We did stuff like premounting the rear side marker lights & other things like that earlier.







By the end of the day, we were considering options on what to do with the nose.



Looks like the spacers (100mm x 100mm adapters) for the rear were the perfect size.





Now we're on to day #2

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #192, 06-14-2011 10:42 AM
      I'd like to add something here.

In an effort for this Fiero community to resurrect this former FastFieros lawn decoration..... we need some minor parts.

Upon consultation & considering that the 355 nose on the car needs a bunch of work, Charlie has decided that he wants to put a stock Fiero GT nose on the car.

I have a GT nose here but we do need a few parts to mount it properly.

If you have a 22P manual you can help us out by going to page 7-6.

We are needing the following items from that page #2, #19, #11, #17 & #22.

If anyone has any of those items contact myself or Charlie.

Thanks

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #193, 06-14-2011 10:08 PM
     
Hmmmm,.....looks like you (Archie) got a couple of widebody choptops going also ?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #194, 06-14-2011 10:38 PM
      Don't want to get off topic, but are there any pictures of Ryan's red car floating around on here? I don't think I've seen it before

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #195, 06-14-2011 10:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Don't want to get off topic, but are there any pictures of Ryan's red car floating around on here? I don't think I've seen it before


I posted a video of his car earlier on this page. He's got the red Fiero. The 944 in the background is his as well.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #196, 06-14-2011 11:46 PM
      Thanks, I've found all these parts.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I'd like to add something here.

In an effort for this Fiero community to resurrect this former FastFieros lawn decoration..... we need some minor parts.

Upon consultation & considering that the 355 nose on the car needs a bunch of work, Charlie has decided that he wants to put a stock Fiero GT nose on the car.

I have a GT nose here but we do need a few parts to mount it properly.

If you have a 22P manual you can help us out by going to page 7-6.

We are needing the following items from that page #2, #19, #11, #17 & #22.

If anyone has any of those items contact myself or Charlie.

Thanks

Archie




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #197, 06-15-2011 07:54 AM
      On day #2 Tuesday, it was all about fitting the rest of the panels.

The left side door panel was broken/damaged so we put one of my extras on it.

The hood was going to need some bodywork around the edges & had a broken area under the R. side headlight cover, so we replaced that too.

We've been working on the initial body fiting of the fender caps, door caps, rockers, front fenders & nose.







To day we should get to the point where we are fiberglassing the MadArch WideBody parts onto the car.

Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #198, 06-17-2011 01:27 PM
      Day #3 & #4 Wednesday & Thursday...... It's all about attaching panels & fiberglassing

The last few days, we've been fiberglassing in the Warber hood scoop. It's nearly finished.





Initially all the door & fender caps are attached with selftapping screws.....





After getting the door & fender caps located exactly where we want them, we start getting ready to fiberglass them to the doors & rear clip.









Here the rear fender caps are fiberglassed on...



I'd like to give a shout out to PaulV..... When it was decided to remove the 355 front bumper that was on this car, I had a spare GT nose but none of the other parts needed. A simple EMail to Paul & 2 days later he has all the missing parts to me.





Mounting side marker lights is a bit more work than you might imagine. We made complete pockets to mount them into. And on the stock GT nose we laid up a couple of layers of Fuberglass on the inside of the nose to support the side marker pockets.







Work on the hood scoop is almost done.



Archie

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #199, 06-17-2011 10:19 PM
      Great work guys. Also, a sincere thank you to Paul V for coming thru with the parts Archie needed for my car.

Glad you're doing this Archie. I'd still be trying to figure out what panel to pull.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #200, 06-17-2011 11:33 PM
     

Looks good ! Makes me excited about mine about to be installed.

Archie since you guys are using a stock nose, what are you going to do about eliminating the arrowhead and molding on the side of the nose ?

Also does the nose need to be pulled out some to match the widebody front fender ? Seems like there is an overlap ??


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #201, 06-21-2011 02:17 PM
     

bump.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #202, 06-21-2011 05:11 PM
      Not a lot to post pics of for the last few days.

We've been sanding a lot & assembling a few things for the last couple of days.

Today is Tuesday & we should be done by Thursday.

We plan to put a coat of primer on it before Joey picks it up this weekend.

For filling in the arrowheads we had already laid up a coupl of layers of glass on the insides of the area in front of the front side marker light.

We removed the arrowhead then scuffed it up & laid up a filler of short strans fibre filler. Then we glassed over it.







From baking out in the sun for a few years, the roof & original hood had the plastic material on the edges popping out.

We corrected the hood by just using another hood we had. The roof panel had to be fixed. We did the best we could to repair it.





Sanding & fitting & checking the gaps etc.













Archie

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #203, 06-21-2011 10:33 PM
      Good deal Archie. Glad you were able to do something with the roof and hood since they got "cooked" in north TX in someone's driveway. Looking forward to getting this back and having it painted. I'm thinking Corvette yellow, but I saw one at the dealership Saturday that was midnight blue. My wife and I saw a Nissan GT-R yesterday in downtown DC that was kind of a matte black (had no gloss at all) and she actually commented that she liked that. Go figure. Glad the wheel spacers worked out on the rear wheels. My next project is getting the wheels widened to 10" then going to 285s. PM sent.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #204, 06-23-2011 04:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Good deal Archie. Glad you were able to do something with the roof and hood since they got "cooked" in north TX in someone's driveway. Looking forward to getting this back and having it painted. I'm thinking Corvette yellow, but I saw one at the dealership Saturday that was midnight blue. My wife and I saw a Nissan GT-R yesterday in downtown DC that was kind of a matte black (had no gloss at all) and she actually commented that she liked that. Go figure. Glad the wheel spacers worked out on the rear wheels. My next project is getting the wheels widened to 10" then going to 285s. PM sent.




Charlie the car is looking awesome ! If you are looking to widen your wheels, you might check these guys out, they have one of the best reps in the industry.

http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/index.html

You going wing or no wing ?

Any plans for the decklid ?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #205, 06-23-2011 05:57 PM
      Going no wing. Also, these are the guys I'm communicating with about my wheels. $215 per wheel with a 4week turn around.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #206, 06-23-2011 11:36 PM
     











Tomorrow, It's all about putting it all back together.


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #207, 06-24-2011 12:26 PM
      Archie

I really like how you relocated the lock cylinders on the door skiins

Could you please, post a couple of pics of how you modified the bracket that holds the lock cylinder ?

I think this is the first car that I notice that modification on, that looks good and is still funtional.

Thanks in advance


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #208, 06-24-2011 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Archie

I really like how you relocated the lock cylinders on the door skiins

Could you please, post a couple of pics of how you modified the bracket that holds the lock cylinder ?

I think this is the first car that I notice that modification on, that looks good and is still funtional.

Thanks in advance


Thanks

I'm sorry but I didn't take any pics of that.

Seriously, I should have taken pics but I didn't.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #209, 06-24-2011 10:12 PM
      Well, It's done & awaiting a road trip.

I think it looks pretty good.

















If anyone wants to make any special picture requests LMK, the car is leaving tomorrow morning.

Archie

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #210, 06-24-2011 10:35 PM
     





Does that about sum it up?


Pete Matos MSG #211, 06-24-2011 10:41 PM
      Damn archie, that is just really beautiful...... About how many hours does it take to complete one of these kit installs like that? Really makes that car look amazing..peace

Pete


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #212, 06-24-2011 10:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:







Does that about sum it up?


I concur.....




BlackThunderGT MSG #213, 06-24-2011 11:05 PM
      Awesome job Archie!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #214, 06-25-2011 12:30 PM
      Thanks all.

She's on her way.......



Pete Matos MSG #215, 06-25-2011 01:02 PM
      Hey Archie,
You might mention to her that pretty girls are MUCH more appealing when they are not flipping you off....!! Nice car man really like the sidescoops. Honestly while I like the choptops the shape of that car really makes the factory roof look great. Kinda musclecar with a touch of european supercar thrown in just for good measure... nice work. Peace

Pete



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #216, 06-25-2011 06:07 PM
     

Car is going to really look good when you get the chin spoiler back on.

Alas somebody had got to come up with a more durable version of it so they are more practical.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #217, 06-26-2011 01:00 PM
      Now that phase 2 of the project is complete we prep for phase 3 (painting). Thanks Archie for completing it on such a tight schedule and thanks Joey for doing all the hauling. In the interim I've ordered larger rear tires (per Dave's specs) and two more wheels I'm sending to Weldcraft Wheels to have them widened to 10". I'm sticking with 17" wheels because of the road conditions here and don't want to have to buy a new wheel anytime I hit a pothole. The final phase (4) will involve some changes to the sound system (changing out my two 2 channel Fosgate Punch 200s and installing a Kicker 350.4 and 400.1 amps as well as a Kicker Comp VR 10" sub. I'm looking for magnetic sheilding to put inside the sub box. I've already got a mount for my portable XM radio and I'm set for my GPS. One final change I would make is my seats (either removing the "prancing horse" embroidery or replacing the seats).

I was trying to experiment with Photoshop to see what my car would look like in a Corvette or Ford GT yellow as well as a midnight blue I saw on a new Corvette, but I guess I'm not as proficient as others are. All I'm able to get is a yellow or blue blob. Can someone out there with photoshop skills help me with that?

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thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #218, 06-26-2011 03:41 PM
      just damn sexy!! and some balls to boot..nice job guru and archie..i vote for the blue..just cuz if it turns out sweet thats the color i am debating..tim

Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #219, 06-26-2011 09:18 PM
      Lookinf good. GReat Job by Archie and crew again.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #220, 06-28-2011 04:14 AM
     
Charlie we worked up a choptop version of your car,....check it out !

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/048337-8.html


nathrak (jon.berger@bellsouth.net) MSG #221, 06-28-2011 04:31 AM
      Tony...........it's 4am WTF???

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #222, 06-28-2011 10:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nathrak:

Tony...........it's 4am WTF???


yeah what are you doing up at this hour !?



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #223, 06-28-2011 08:32 PM
      Looks great. How about a paint job now? Looking to compare a Corvette yellow or midnight blue.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #224, 06-29-2011 10:05 PM
      Ok...here's my attempt at photoshop, but I think this would be way cool....a targa top!



I'm sure someone else can do this much better.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #225, 06-29-2011 11:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Ok...here's my attempt at photoshop, but I think this would be way cool....a targa top!





Don't do a Targa, you'll regret it.

Archie


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #226, 06-30-2011 08:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Don't do a Targa, you'll regret it.

Archie

I guess it would depend on who did the Targa ? Archie could do it for you.
The car looks good. Where did the brake kit come from? Those brakes are sweet.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #227, 06-30-2011 09:18 AM
      Just a "what if" thought Archie.

Anyway, I got the brakes from Westshore Fabricators (formerly Held Motorsport). I opted for these over the 4 piston setup.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 06-30-2011).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #228, 06-30-2011 11:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I guess it would depend on who did the Targa ? Archie could do it for you.



I would never do a Targa on a Fiero.

I've seen way too many Fieros turn into "parts cars" by people who put (or had installed) Targas on them.

When you cut to roof off of a Fiero, you better be ready to build a lot of reinforcement into the chassis to avoid flex & cowl shake.

The simple little frame reinforcement use on a lot of convertable Fieros won't get it done.

Just ask Chester.

No matter how much frame work you do, your Fiero will never be as solid as it was with a roof on it.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #229, 06-30-2011 11:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I would never do a Targa on a Fiero.

I've seen way too many Fieros turn into "parts cars" by people who put (or had installed) Targas on them.

When you cut to roof off of a Fiero, you better be ready to build a lot of reinforcement into the chassis to avoid flex & cowl shake.

The simple little frame reinforcement use on a lot of convertable Fieros won't get it done.

Just ask Chester.

No matter how much frame work you do, your Fiero will never be as solid as it was with a roof on it.

Archie


Archie, could chester's car be restored to non-targa status ?


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #230, 07-01-2011 07:46 AM
      Charlie has officially taken possession of his car. We picked it up from Archie to finish the WB tuning and a few other odds and ends. I did discover that the MAF that was purchased from ZZP was causing a lean condition up top and with a new MAF installed, the engine was back in the safe zone.
I'll let Charlie enjoy his new ride for a while and it will most likely be coming back here for some more mods this winter.

Dave


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #231, 07-01-2011 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Archie, could chester's car be restored to non-targa status ?


Not to speak for Archie but Yes it could, anything can be done to a car that is why I love them so much. I wish I could get a hold of it. I would like to see it fixed but left as a targa top and use the frame connectors I made on making a 355spider kit car. I am the only one I have seen that braced the car that way and it was solid. At one time I had video of it titer tottering on two jack stands one on the left front wheel and the other on the right rear. The X braces and supporting the floor does nothing you need a solid frame front to back then you have a solid car. I really like that car very sharp.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #232, 07-01-2011 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Charlie has officially taken possession of his car. We picked it up from Archie to finish the WB tuning and a few other odds and ends. I did discover that the MAF that was purchased from ZZP was causing a lean condition up top and with a new MAF installed, the engine was back in the safe zone.
I'll let Charlie enjoy his new ride for a while and it will most likely be coming back here for some more mods this winter.

Dave


You are correct, Dave! It was quite a site this morning to see Joey and her "road crew" (aka: Dave and Joey's kids) waiting for me at my house. We headed off to the paint shop and as soon as everything was set I wanted Joey and the kids to be on their way so they wouldn't be caught in the holiday exodus trying to get back home.



For me it just has more of a "presence" now that it's a widebody.



Joey was nice enough not to charge me for the "bird crap".



Now that a color has been decided upon...they will get right to work on my car Tuesday morning with an anticipated completion by July 15th. The shop will be posting pictures (and possibly video) of their progress as well. The wheels I sent to Weldcraft Wheels for widening should be back by the end of this month. While waiting for the wheels I'll be installing Kicker amps and a new sub. I'm also planning on sending the seatbacks to Mr. Mike to remove the prancing horse logo and replace it with the Fiero logo.

Stay tuned.....



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #233, 07-01-2011 11:54 PM
      Man that just looks sexy !

Charlie does it look as good in person as you expected ?

Which color did you decide btw ??


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #234, 07-02-2011 07:04 AM
      I'd have to say even better than I expected. Yesterday afternoon I had a Lamborghini Murcielago pass by me. I'm thinking to myself....a few more weeks pal. The color will be millenium yellow (used on Corvette).

ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #235, 07-02-2011 12:37 PM
      Car looks amazing! Props to all parties involved in the build. Are you planning on keeping the GT front fascia? I personally think it looks better with it on. On a car this nice I think it pays tribute better to the original Fiero design more-so than an aftermarket bumper would. Either way, looking forward to paint pics!

mptighe MSG #236, 07-02-2011 02:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:
Joey was nice enough not to charge me for the "bird crap".


You really can't put a price on those extra little touches the Haus throws in. They really go out of their way to leave their mark on every build


N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #237, 07-02-2011 03:11 PM
      Even in primer that car is GORGEOUS. It's incredible. Can't wait to see it painted!

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #238, 07-03-2011 03:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ConvictedRedneck:

Car looks amazing! Props to all parties involved in the build. Are you planning on keeping the GT front fascia? I personally think it looks better with it on. On a car this nice I think it pays tribute better to the original Fiero design more-so than an aftermarket bumper would. Either way, looking forward to paint pics!


Yes I'm going to stay with the GT nose. I was planning on going back to that anyway, but after Archie told me how labor intensive it would have been to use the fiberglass 355 nose with the widebody kit...that just sealed the deal.


Pete Matos MSG #239, 07-03-2011 04:24 PM
      Glad to hear you intend to keep the " Fieroness" Intact... That car looks amazing and as I said before, I honestly think that new body kit makes the Non- Chopped Fiero body look fantastic.. That is what a fiero SHOULD look like if you ask me. Cannot wait to see it all yellow and nicely painted. This thing is not gonna be a head turner, it will be a NECK BREAKER!! What the hell was that? Oh I dunno, it was some kinda low, wide, SCREAMING yellow thing that just blew by here... Hell, coulda been a superhero, coulda been some new european exotic supercar... Naah it is better, it was a sick badass Fiero GT!! haha Enjoy it and watch out for those radar guns man....they'll getcha believe me!! Peace

Pete


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #240, 07-03-2011 05:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Glad to hear you intend to keep the " Fieroness" Intact... That car looks amazing and as I said before, I honestly think that new body kit makes the Non- Chopped Fiero body look fantastic.. That is what a fiero SHOULD look like if you ask me. Cannot wait to see it all yellow and nicely painted. This thing is not gonna be a head turner, it will be a NECK BREAKER!! What the hell was that? Oh I dunno, it was some kinda low, wide, SCREAMING yellow thing that just blew by here... Hell, coulda been a superhero, coulda been some new european exotic supercar... Naah it is better, it was a sick badass Fiero GT!! haha Enjoy it and watch out for those radar guns man....they'll getcha believe me!! Peace

Pete


Or pull me over just to ask "what kind of car is this?" I agree this is how GM should have built it, but then that would have invaded Corvette territory. Interesting how they were putting targo tops on Vettes since 84, but didn't make the effort on the Fiero IMHO.


Pete Matos MSG #241, 07-03-2011 05:19 PM
      Aah corvette, schmorvette.... Fiero's rule and it is a damn shame they had to sneak this cool car thru the bigwigs ducking the vette like that. Buncha pansies... I mean it is a mid engine rear wheel drive COMPLETELY different car right...!!

Congrats on your car man. it is lookin' sick!! Enjoy...peace

Pete




Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #242, 07-08-2011 06:56 PM
      Just to give everyone an update...the paint shop has started preping and sanding my car. No photos today, but I'll have more Monday or Tuesday of the progress. Completion of this part of the project is still expected to be by next Friday.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #243, 07-12-2011 11:57 PM
      Sorry I didn't get these posted yesterday, but here's what was accomplished...

Door jams painted with sealer...




Glad I didn't opt for the brighter (Corvette) yellow.

Now being painted with Millenium Yellow (also used on Corvette)







Body painting was supposed to start today, but they had a compressor failure. All is expected to be back on track tomorrow. I hope to have more pictures tomorrow night.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #244, 07-13-2011 12:09 AM
      Nice! Welcome to the Millenium Yellow club!

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nosrac MSG #245, 07-13-2011 12:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Just to give everyone an update...the paint shop has started preping and sanding my car. No photos today, but I'll have more Monday or Tuesday of the progress. Completion of this part of the project is still expected to be by next Friday.


Dude you ain't messing around.

I'm impressed on how you're pushing this build along to "Git er done"... and done the hella right way.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #246, 07-14-2011 01:23 PM
     

Man i can't wait to see this one done !


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #247, 07-14-2011 01:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:




That's going to be a nice color.

Archie


GADJet MSG #248, 07-14-2011 02:41 PM
     

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #249, 07-15-2011 10:24 PM
      Here my car was ready to go in for exterior painting



when a dent was found in the passenger mirror casing. They're going to repair that before proceeding.

On a positive note...I received a call from Weldcraft Wheels this at lunch today. My 10" wheels were ready and shipped today. Should be at my house by Wednesday.

Archie, your widebody kit is getting MUCH attention from other customers at the paintshop. People are looking forward to seeing my car in upcoming shows.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 07-15-2011).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #250, 07-15-2011 10:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

I received a call from Weldcraft Wheels this at lunch today. My 10" wheels were ready and shipped today. Should be at my house by Wednesday.




Hey, I heard that.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #251, 07-15-2011 11:06 PM
     

Charlie will the new wheels have a larger lip ??


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #252, 07-16-2011 09:53 AM
      Nope. Just an increase in width. Had to be done on the inside because of the composition of the wheel. I'll post pictures before mounting the 285s on them.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #253, 07-16-2011 11:05 AM
      It might be cheaper to find another used mirror rather than let them fix that one. The body shop that painted my car billed me $200 to repair my mirror for a dent...I was not happy cause I could have just gotten a used one for $20
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #254, 07-18-2011 10:17 PM
      Ok everyone...here's where we are as of today...

This morning involved the sealer...





And here was the first coat...



The shop is also doing video of each stage. Tomorrow will involve wetsanding with another spraying then clearcoat. The chin will get painted tomorrow as well. More to follow.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #255, 07-18-2011 10:44 PM
     


sick !


BlackThunderGT MSG #256, 07-19-2011 12:31 AM
      Looking good

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #257, 07-19-2011 10:32 PM
      Here's where we stand as of today...









Next will be wet sanding followed by another coat. I got the 10" wheels from Weldcraft today. The 9" wheels will arrive on Thursday. If all goes well these will all be mounted on the car this weekend.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 07-19-2011).]

Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #258, 07-19-2011 10:41 PM
      Love It



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #259, 07-19-2011 10:53 PM
      Thanks Thomas. It's going to be a busy weekend for me if everything goes according to plan. I'll be doing the carpet, covering the felt pad with black vinyl, and changing out the amps for the stereo.

Oh yeah...and adding the shifter and e-brake boots you made for me

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 07-19-2011).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #260, 07-19-2011 11:00 PM
      Keeps looking better and better !

Did they paint the car with the nose badge on ?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #261, 07-19-2011 11:04 PM
      We're actually going to remove the plastic emblem and replace it with a larger emblem.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #262, 07-20-2011 08:13 PM
      Today's progress. This morning my car was sanded and ready for the next coat...







Though the picture doesn't show it...the nose emblem was removed and they're filling in the holes and repainting the area where the emblem was and prep it for the pewter emblem. Hope to have more pictures tomorrow. They're still expecting my car to be ready Friday.


Pete Matos MSG #263, 07-20-2011 08:19 PM
      That is gonna be one sick Fiero man.... Wish you were my next door neighbor so I can take a ride in it. Gotta be fast and beautiful. You simply must smoke out those windows too... That electric yellow is gonna sear some eyes wherever it goes. A car like that MUST have the power to back up it's looks and it appears you have already made sure of that so it is a total package. Congrats man...peace

Pete



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #264, 07-20-2011 08:21 PM
      How close are you to Fort Campbell?

BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #265, 07-20-2011 08:55 PM
      Wow, that's going to look great when it's done. Well, okay, it already looks great. I really like the widebody look without a chop.

Brad


Axdrenalin MSG #266, 07-20-2011 09:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BtotheB:

Wow, that's going to look great when it's done. Well, okay, it already looks great. I really like the widebody look without a chop.

Brad


I concur...I always wanted to see an Archie kit on a non-chop, and this thread makes me drool, big time! Sharp looking ride, man...I'll have to look you up the next time I get up to DC.

Robert


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #267, 07-20-2011 09:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Axdrenalin:


I concur...I always wanted to see an Archie kit on a non-chop, and this thread makes me drool, big time! Sharp looking ride, man...I'll have to look you up the next time I get up to DC.

Robert


Gladly. I'll be headed to Kentucky in a few weeks. I may just drive this car and see what kind of attention I get.


Pete Matos MSG #268, 07-21-2011 12:24 AM
      I am in the maryville, Tn area just south of Knoxville. Not sure where fort campbell is really.... Peace

Pete


Axdrenalin MSG #269, 07-21-2011 07:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

I am in the maryville, Tn area just south of Knoxville. Not sure where fort campbell is really.... Peace

Pete


Ft. Campbell is in Clarksville, up above Nashville on the TN / KY state line area. Beautiful country (like all of TN, with less mountains) Charlie64, are you active duty Army, and headed to Campbell?

Robert


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #270, 07-21-2011 08:35 AM
      Yes. Just going there to visit.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #271, 07-21-2011 11:00 PM
      I was hoping to have pictures today, but unfortunately that didn't happen. I did find out they are about 90% complete and should have it ready before COB tomorrow. Keeping my fingers crossed!

JHarvey MSG #272, 07-22-2011 02:42 AM
      This is probably my favorite thread ever on here other than a few in the construction zone imo this is very classy and well built.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #273, 07-22-2011 10:02 PM
      Here's what we have as of today. The shop did the second coat...





but want to work out some imperfections so they plan to give it another sanding then shoot it again. I'm now looking at completion on Tuesday. As far as the nose emblem goes....there wasn't a way to put the pewter emblem on the nose and make it flat so I'm probably going to go without emblems. I'll have to gauge how it would look with decals. Looks like I'll be very busy next weekend instead. I'll stop by the shop Monday afternoon and see if they are on schedule for Tuesday.

Just about everyone that has come to the shop has seen my car and have provided nothing but positive comments about both the cosmetics (Thanks Team Archie) and the mechanical (Thanks Team Guru). There's a Porsche specialty shop behind the building across the street from the paint shop. The paint shop owner knows the Porsche shop owner and wants him to come over and see my car when it's done. I'm very interested to see what his opinion will be

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sabooo MSG #274, 07-23-2011 02:23 PM
      Just... wow.

timgray (timgray.geo@yahoo.com) MSG #275, 07-23-2011 02:28 PM
      So how much?

all said and done I'm guessing $28,500 spent for a car that looks better than any Vette made in the past 25 years and a LOT faster than any vette made in the last 50 years.


ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #276, 07-23-2011 02:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timgray:

So how much?

all said and done I'm guessing $28,500 spent for a car that looks better than any Vette made in the past 25 years and a LOT faster than any vette made in the last 50 years.


If you're willing to share, I'd love to know as well what your total "investment" has been into this car. Even at 30k, it's hard to compare buying something new for that price that would be anywhere near as fast and unique!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #277, 07-23-2011 03:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Here's what we have as of today. The shop did the second coat...





That's nice. It's the first yellow MadArch widebody kit. I can't wait to see the wheels. Oh yeah, I think the wheels will set the car off. Thanks for deciding to equal out the two (widebody & wheels) for both the kit & wheels are an excellent combo.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #278, 07-23-2011 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timgray:

So how much?

all said and done I'm guessing $28,500 spent for a car that looks better than any Vette made in the past 25 years and a LOT faster than any vette made in the last 50 years.


Would that be the total amount your asking for or this year alone??? You're closer to right for this year alone, but well worth it.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #279, 07-27-2011 10:02 PM
      After checking all my receipts I've come up with how much I've spent this year alone. Of course this year is the year that matters since people actually WORKED on my car.

Over $29,500. Still money well spent. Hope to be posting pictures tomorrow.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #280, 07-28-2011 09:54 PM
      Ok...here's the pictures I have today. Wetsanding and buffing completed. They have to put my car on a lift to get the chin on. I should be driving it home tomorrow after work.









They did discover the quarter glass from the Fiero Store were too long and will have to shave them down from the end so they will fit.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #281, 07-28-2011 10:08 PM
     

Charlie absolutely gorgeous,..very jealous !


JHarvey MSG #282, 07-28-2011 10:26 PM
      Are the quarter windows going to be solid yellow also?

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #283, 07-29-2011 06:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JHarvey:

Are the quarter windows going to be solid yellow also?


Yes. Decided that would compliment the look better.


JHarvey MSG #284, 07-29-2011 02:09 PM
      I'm sure that will look great im assuming you got the idea from ryans car? Also did you ever consider having the quarter windows with the clear scoops? but having the panels painted yellow and having the clear area tinted black.
example- http://i284.photobucket.com...reenGT_Nov05_069.jpg


1988holleyformula MSG #285, 07-29-2011 02:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JHarvey:

I'm sure that will look great im assuming you got the idea from ryans car? Also did you ever consider having the quarter windows with the clear scoops? but having the panels painted yellow and having the clear area tinted black.
example-


MinnGreen's GT right? I love that car.

I could definitely see that in yellow with the smoked/clear scoop.


JHarvey MSG #286, 07-29-2011 03:39 PM
      Yes thats correct it is MinnGreen's GT

edit: the reason i mentioned these scoops is because it would give the car that more -wide- look. Seeing that the car is now a widebody with the scoops made into the body it would go great with the quarter window with the scoops.

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mptighe MSG #287, 07-29-2011 08:20 PM
      You sir are inconsiderate. How are we supposed to look our cars in the headlights and honestly say we're not fantasizing about yours? I only hope I don't say your car's name while driving mine. That would be awkward.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #288, 07-30-2011 06:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JHarvey:

I'm sure that will look great im assuming you got the idea from ryans car? Also did you ever consider having the quarter windows with the clear scoops? but having the panels painted yellow and having the clear area tinted black.
example- http://i284.photobucket.com...reenGT_Nov05_069.jpg


I'd been toying with this idea for over 7 years. I've seen what others have done and used that to make my choice.

I picked my car up yesterday. One thing I had to do was replace the battery. Tomorrow I put on the 10" wheels on the rear with the 285s and move the 255s to the front on 9" wheels with a 1" spacers. More pics coming soon.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #289, 07-30-2011 10:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Charlie absolutely gorgeous,..very jealous !



Thanks Tony. Here's the most recent pics.

Here's a shot of my car with the paint shop owner. He was nice enough to wait around for me to get there after work.



I had to trim the quarter glass down on the back edge of both pieces so it would fit. Tomorrow morning I get the wider wheels installed.











Also tomorrow I hope to accomplish some of the interior renovations (carpet, vinyl, stereo, etc)

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lildevil (lildv1l@aol.com) MSG #290, 07-30-2011 10:53 PM
      would definitely consider painting the quarter windows black

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #291, 07-30-2011 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lildevil:

would definitely consider painting the quarter windows black


I agree totally.

That is about the only thing i would change, otherwise it is showstopper.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #292, 07-30-2011 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


I agree totally.

That is about the only thing i would change, otherwise it is showstopper.


times 3
I would also paint the little triangle right in frt of the window.
I am looking forward to seing pics of the car after you install the back wheels
How big of a tire are you putting on the back ?

Great job to all who worked on this project



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #293, 07-30-2011 11:23 PM
      Ok...something like this?



JHarvey MSG #294, 07-30-2011 11:28 PM
      Or or or the quarter windows with scoops and clear section as seen above =p

Edit: quickphotoshop

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #295, 07-31-2011 09:33 AM
      It's going to be cool.

Did you ever get any pics of the widened rear wheels before you put tires on them?

Thanks

Archie


lildevil (lildv1l@aol.com) MSG #296, 07-31-2011 01:09 PM
      yes...loks much better to me with the black qrter glass. as stated before the triangle behind the mirror should be black and i would do the gasket at the base of the sideview mirror black also. too much yellow and it comes of looking like a macco job. they paint EVERYTHING...no masking off.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #297, 07-31-2011 02:48 PM
      Will be posting the before and after pictures later this evening. As far as the "everything yellow" that was my mistake. The shop suggested I go with black on the glass and the triangles, but I rejected the idea. Fixing that now. I will say this...the car rides GREAT!!! Many compliments from employees and customers at the tire shop this morning for both the look and the sound! Thumbs up to Team Archie and Team Guru!!!

For now here's a comparison. The wheel on the left is the 17X8. Center is the widened wheel to 17x9. Right is the 17X10. I'm now running 255s up front and 285s on the rear.





aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #298, 07-31-2011 02:57 PM
      Does look great, but as everyone suggested, go with the black quarters and triangle piece on the door. Too much of the same color just gives me the impression of a cheap spray job.

turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #299, 07-31-2011 05:56 PM
      I think the stock quarter panel with clear window would look good and show off the engine vents nicely. The car looks great!!!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #300, 07-31-2011 06:02 PM
     

More daylight pictures.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #301, 07-31-2011 10:53 PM
      Ok...here's one of the guys at the tire shop mounting the BFTs (Big Freakin Tires)...



Here was the before picture from this morning...



and the "after" pictures...





Also now with black quarter glass and triangles...

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I also started taking out the interior panels and center console for repainting. I'm also working on fabricating brackets for my racing seats. I have 3 point harnesses I can use until I get anchor points welded in for 4 point harnesses.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #302, 08-01-2011 11:01 AM
      Charlie this last picture is perfection ! Now that is what i am talking about !!!



This is my new screen saver.

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lildevil (lildv1l@aol.com) MSG #303, 08-01-2011 09:09 PM
      And the crowd goes WILD!!!!! MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER!

zefferk MSG #304, 08-01-2011 10:30 PM
      Wow! Outstanding! Probably my favorite custom fiero of all time! I only wish I could have one too like that someday...

Please tell me that parking pad is not where she's going to live?!?!?! I really hope she has a nice warm place to sleep away from the beasts that mother nature lets attack outside dwelling autos.....


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #305, 08-01-2011 11:12 PM
      Thanks guys. Yesterday evening I pulled the passenger seat to match up with my racing seat and the plastic as well as the center console to repaint them properly. Today when I got home I was outside in the dark pulling the driver's seat and the plastic on that side. Had to repair the plastic around the e-brake and around the speaker hole. I just cleaned and conditioned the Mr. Mike's leather seats. They sure cleaned up nice, but as all of us have experienced at one time or another...the seat mechanism covers are broken. Another $32 to the Fiero store.



Anyone know where I can find the 4x6 fiero speaker covers? Otherwise I'm going to have to get creative. I figure while I have the seats and plastic out I may as well do the carpet and put vinyl on the worthless felt board behind the seats.


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #306, 08-02-2011 12:10 AM
      Nice .....very nice!
That color is great!
al


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #307, 08-03-2011 03:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Here was the before picture from this morning...



and the "after" pictures...






Nice MadArch kit and the 285s look sweet!!! The black sail window gives the car contrast and breaks up the yellow.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #308, 08-03-2011 10:10 PM
      Wow...
The car looks great !!!
Madcurl said it in the right words.

Keep us posted about how people react to the car


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #309, 08-04-2011 12:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

Keep us posted about how people react to the car


Do tell !



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #310, 08-04-2011 12:40 PM
      Will be posting more pics soon. I failed to take pics of what I've been doing since Sunday. Will provide more details this evening.

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2.5 MSG #311, 08-04-2011 01:15 PM
      You know what I would do with that panel you just painted black, just paint the outer edge, about 2", black, keep the inside yellow.

Pete Matos MSG #312, 08-04-2011 04:42 PM
      Car looks incredible, Love the yellow, However I have never really been a fan of the corvette taillight conversion. If it were my car I might have some black or better yet carbon fiber accent put in the center between the vette taillights to kinda break up the yellow just a tad. To me the rear end seems just a bit too ......well, yellow.... Other than that it is perfect... peace

Pete



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #313, 08-04-2011 04:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Car looks incredible, Love the yellow, However I have never really been a fan of the corvette taillight conversion. If it were my car I might have some black or better yet carbon fiber accent put in the center between the vette taillights to kinda break up the yellow just a tad. To me the rear end seems just a bit too ......well, yellow.... Other than that it is perfect... peace

Pete


I agree, much like the quarterwindows, a touch of black in the back would go a looooooooooooong way,


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #314, 08-07-2011 12:15 AM
      Just watched the video the paint shop did on my car. Enjoy.

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Danyel MSG #315, 08-07-2011 12:25 PM
      Lookin really sharp !!!



randye (randy@enerson1.com) MSG #316, 08-07-2011 08:07 PM
      Beautiful work.
Your car is amazing...so much so that I thought it deserved a wee little "photo massage", just to show it off a bit more.
Hope you don't mind.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #317, 08-08-2011 12:29 AM
      Thanks Randye.

Here's what I've been doing after work for the last week up until yesterday morning. First I started off with removing the broken pilars to see about repair or replacement. Replacement won out so I acquired them from Justin at the Fiero Store. Since they were going to be painted color coming in was irrelevant...they just had to work.









I even did the center console again.



While I was working on that I decided I would do something about the gray carpet. I had ordered a replacement black carpet from the Fiero Store, but wanted to find a solution that wouldn't involve so much labor. The original carpet was still in relatively good shape and just needed cleaning.



So I tried the dye approach.





Then came the part of reconnecting the RCA cables from the amps to the head unit as well as upgrading the amps. This meant pulling the carpet back on the passenger side to better route the cables. When I did I found out how much dirt was still in the carpet so I resorted to carpet cleaner and vacuuming. It worked so well it also removed the carpet dye so I had to install the new black carpet. Was quite laborsome, was not an exact fit, didn't have the vinyl pads the original carpet does, and doesn't look right in my opinion because it's not as heavy. I went ahead and did a thorough cleaning on the original carpet and it should be dry by the time I get back from my trip. I'll give they carpet dye another shot and see how that comes out. I also installed the vinyl over the felt back board, but I haven't put it in the car yet. I still need to take measurements for the anchor point for my four point harnesses. I also need to finish the fabrication on adapters for my racing seats and sliders.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #318, 08-08-2011 11:48 PM
      Here's a car I would have thoroughly enjoyed feeding "HUMBLE PIE" had I been in my car yesterday It's a Carrera 4S



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #319, 08-11-2011 09:19 AM
      I'm very impressed with the turnout of this car.

Dave



zefferk MSG #320, 08-17-2011 01:55 PM
      Need an update please! Can't wait for the final, finished ride!

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #321, 08-18-2011 10:09 PM
      Sorry everyone. Just returned from my trip last night. Of course I have the extensive "honey do" list. What I did was clean the original carpet today. Once it dries I'm going to try the dye treatment again. I don't like the way the replacement carpet fit so I'll be putting the original back in if this works. I got the stereo wiring done before I left so once I get the carpet and my new vinyl covered board back in I'll be able to get the new Kicker amps installed. Hoping to knock a good bit of that out tomorrow after work. If all goes well I'll be riding Saturday evening. Wish me luck.

zefferk MSG #322, 08-23-2011 02:36 PM
      Bump...need an update....must...see...what...car...looks...like.............today.........please............................

zefferk MSG #323, 08-24-2011 05:16 PM
      still waiting for another update please...

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #324, 08-24-2011 10:35 PM
      Sorry I haven't been able to do any postings lately. I was able to get all the panels back in the car over the weekend. Got the new amps wired in and they sound great. Yesterday I decided instead of having the amps loosely mounted on the carpet I would mount them to 1/4 MDF board. Here's how it came out.





The only problem I'm having right now is the Corbeau seat brackets and the sheetmetal I used to attach the brackets to the seats. First...I should have test fit the brackets because that's 2 hours I could have used better. The brackets didn't line up with the bolts in the floorboard so I put the original seats back in until yesterday. I also went with a full cap instead of the 1/2 cap I was using with the Fosgate amps. I also decided to give the Corbeau brackets one more try. This time I used my drimmel and made some modifications to the front bracket holes. Now they fit the way they should. Now the final issue I'm having is getting the sheetmetal holes where they need to be. Of course an earthquake yesterday and an impending hurricane make getting this resolved soon unlikely, but I'll work on it in my basement. I was able to fabricate and install anchor points for my 4 point harnesses. I used 1/2" carriage bolts up top and my harnesses came with snap in eyelet bolts for the lap belt. These actually fit perfectly into the factory holes without modification. I hope to have the seat issue resolved, but my backup plan is to modify the sheetmetal to work with the factory rails. I've already modified the pieces for one seat, but I want to see if I can make the Corbeau brackets work first since they seem more sturdy. I did take it for a spin Monday night and it was SWEET!!! More to follow.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #325, 08-24-2011 10:47 PM
     

Gotta hear about the reactions you got when you took her out !


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #326, 08-25-2011 11:24 PM
      I did have someone as me if it was a Lambo...lol. I did finally get the sheetmetal holes right for the racing seats and Corbeau brackets and got them bolted together. The rails on both seats appears to be working properly, but the true test will be in the car. Hopefully all will go well tomorrow and I'll have the new seats in. I did test fit the brackets after my mods so they actually fit properly over the fl;oor bolts. One way or another I need to move my car before the hurricane gets here. I have a 30' tree next to my driveway and if the winds are high enough...it would fall thru my house...my neighbor's house...or worse...my car!

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #327, 08-26-2011 10:34 PM
      Ok everyone...after much remeasuring, cutting, grinding, assembling, fitting, only to start over again because the measurements were "off"....the leather racing seats are finally installed.







I will say this was the most labor intensive part of the interior upgrade. A word of caution to any of you considering the Corbeau seat brackets...make sure you test fit them first and have a dremmel ready to do some mods to make them fit properly. I just went for a ride in it. Responds great. Corners nicely. I will need to go back to the tire shop and have the balance confirmed. Seems to be a recurring thing with the particular tires I have. I have the same issue with my other car that has the same tires. Takes about three times getting them balanced before they're right.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #328, 09-01-2011 11:05 PM
      Here's what I've done so far. Been driving my car every day this week since the weather has been so nice. I had to go back to the tire shop last Sunday...got the tires re-balanced...and got pictures with my "pit crew" (Danny, Chris, and John).





I've gotten very positive comments from everyone I've come in contact with. I stopped at McD's a few days ago for lunch and while I was inside several guys were gathered around my car. By the time I came outside they had gone inside. Before I could leave the parking lot one came literally running out to ask me about the car. Later that day on the way home there was a guy in a high end Beemer that slowed down to check out my car...looked my car over...gave me the "NICE" nod of approval and a big

Tomorrow I head to Dave's for a new fuel sending unit, pictures, and planning for future upgrades (i.e. tubular suspension upgrade from Westshore Fabricators (formerly Held Motorsports), stage 3 heads from ZZP, upgrade to GEN5 blower (possibly a twin charge)...that's the short list for the winter). For the most part everyone that's asked how long it took to get my car this way have been very surprized that it all came together this year. Looking forward to making the first "road trip" in it I'll take pictures and video and post them tomorrow night. Archie, gotta work out a time when I can meet up with you for pictures as well.

I've got a few more minor things to do, but nothing that's going to keep me from driving the car and enjoying it. Feels like I'm driving a new car. I've only have 750 miles on it....really...that's what my odometer says! Considering everything that's been done it's darn near a new car.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #329, 09-03-2011 02:09 PM
      Yesterday I went to see Dave and crew so he could change out my fuel sending unit. I should have taken pictures of the old one he pulled out. Sure didn't look like that before it went down to Loyde's...oh I get it...it sat as one of his yard fixtures for 3 1/2 years before I rescued my car from him. Pretty certain the same gas I put in it back in July 2007 was still in the tank. Anyway, here's a picture of Dave securing the wiring harness for the fuel pump.





No way I could have attempted that without being suspended in air! While I was there we got additional video of Joey's car and Dave's orange car as well as more pictures of Joey's car. I'm working on shortening the videos so I can post them.











Of course it wouldn't be complete without the "Joey" pose!!!


While I was there I met Brian who is also having his Fiero done by Dave. He followed Joey and I in his car while we were doing new video of her car. The look on his face when we got back says it all.



Anyway, my trip up had some interesting events...I got to humble a S63 Mercedes Benz. On the way back I gave a reality check to a C6 Corvette. Looking forward to the upgrades Dave has in mind for me. Until then...I'm going to enjoy driving my car!



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #330, 09-14-2011 10:48 PM
      Hello to all who have been following this project. Over the last few days I've had some minor touch ups done on the paint.











and the end result....





Last Friday night I installed clear turn lenses with amber LEDs. Didn't take the picture until Saturday morning.



This evening when I got home I installed my new Lloyd Mats.



This weekend I'll be working on installing my Kicker 6" component speakers.

A few nights ago I totally OWNED a 370Z. He didn't realize I had more going to my wheels than he had at the crank!


Big Paul (pkaufmann34@gmail.com) MSG #331, 09-16-2011 11:51 AM
      I like your rims! are they MSR ones? I don't know much about rims, but I saw some that looked very similar. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you get them for? Before they were widened that is

And beautiful car!!!! Want to trade?

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #332, 09-16-2011 05:58 PM
      They are the TSW Indy 500 wheels. The wheels on my car now are the second set I purchased while the car was at Archie's getting the widebody kit. The 1st set is boxed up in my shed. 17x8 in 5x100 bolt pattern. I don't even believe I have 300 miles on them. New...the set was $800.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #333, 09-16-2011 06:05 PM
      Not sure what happened but the message posted twice. Anyway, I got my additional stereo stuff in today so I'll be working on that this weekend.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #334, 09-19-2011 04:12 PM
      Nudge, nudge,..hehehe

Hey Charlie,..chew on this !



(chop courtesy 85senotchie)

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #335, 09-19-2011 08:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Nudge, nudge,..hehehe

Hey Charlie,..chew on this !



(chop courtesy 85senotchie)



The only way I would fit in that would be if I was Ryan's size. I considered a chop top....until I tried to sit in one.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #336, 09-25-2011 11:10 PM
      Getting ready for a show in Lancaster in a few weeks....finally going to one!!!!! Anyway, here's what I did today. I installed new Kicker KS6.2 component speakers.







I tried running these along with the 4x10s, but the sound quality is so much better with these alone supplemented by the 4" Earthquake VTEK speakers I have in the rear replacing the 4x6s. What I'll do is cover the 4x10 speaker covers with vinyl and blend them into the dash.

While I was driving around today I saw this...





Wonder if this owner is running a stock setup???


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #337, 10-08-2011 10:42 PM
      Today I went to the Mid-Atlantic Fiero Owner's Association Fall Show and it was eventful. First Fiero show...for my car and me. Had my oldest daughter with me. Took some pictures on the way up.





This one on eastbound 30 east of York felt like riding in a half tube...

Glad I didn't find a "car swallowing" crack or pothole...

My daughter was very helpful when we got there and got right to work detailing the car. She really liked Joey's car (big surprize there) and Sabooo's...taking plenty of pictures on her cell phone.

Saw lots of interesting Fieros both stock and modified. There were 7 cars in my category (Custom/Modified Fastback)....and for our very first show here's how we did...


1st Place in Modified Fastback





Unfortunately, my phone was dead after the trophies were handed out so I wasn't able to get the picture at the event. I parked to Dave's right (he took 1st Place in Modified Notchback). My dead phone kept me from getting a picture with Dave and both trophies next to our cars



I received a lot of positive feedback regarding the work Dave did (another reason I parked next to him), for Archie's widebody kit and his work installing it (thanks again Archie and crew), and to my paintshop for making it all complete. Of course I've not disclosed publicly who did my paint job and it's only fitting now that my paintshop crew receive recognition as well.



Yes....Maaco. It is possible to find a quality Maaco shop. They're independently owned and back in April when I was looking for a paint shop...this shop in Fairfax, VA impressed me with the quality of their work and willingness to go the extra mile.

Anyway, I enjoyed today's event and look forward to attending more in the near future.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #338, 10-09-2011 02:31 PM
      I love what you did with your car! I just noticed that you live in Alexandria, I work in old town. I would love to see your car one of these days. :]

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #339, 10-09-2011 08:19 PM
      Yep, I saw this car in person at the show, and it is an absolute killer. From the clean 3800SC install that Dave did, to the custom interior, to the paint and widebody kit, this car was spectacular and it was an honor to see it in person, as well as meet Charlie. Congrats, man.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #340, 10-10-2011 09:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:

I love what you did with your car! I just noticed that you live in Alexandria, I work in old town. I would love to see your car one of these days. :]


Gladly. I'm sure we can work something out. Today I'm replacing the Jensen CM7015 unit and replacing it with a Pioneer AVIC-X930BT. The only drawback is the Pioneer doesn't have a remote, but I have built in GPS and BT. I was going to go Sony, but read some adverse reviews.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #341, 10-17-2011 12:49 AM
      Ok...I think I'm finally finished with the interior. Got the Pioneer and XM installed. Took some doing to make the double DIN fit, but here's the end result.






Also finally got around to installing the LED dome lights. I ordered the LED courtesy lights, but that may be overkill considering how bright just two of the LED dome lights are.



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #342, 11-26-2011 07:26 AM
      Charlie and I have been talking about the winter mods. We will be updating this thread in the next month or so with some new eye candy and go-fast goodies.

Dave


lamborghinikid (lamborghinikid@zoomtown.com) MSG #343, 12-18-2011 08:51 PM
      can we get the info on the wheels you used they are nice also did you use spacers in the rear?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #344, 12-19-2011 12:16 PM
     


More pics, more stories, more, more, more !

Can you tell i like your car ??


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #345, 01-12-2012 09:44 AM
      Charlie's car is coming back to the Haus on the 17th of Feb for more cool "go fast" mods and some underhood detail.

Dave


1988holleyformula MSG #346, 01-12-2012 03:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Charlie's car is coming back to the Haus on the 17th of Feb for more cool "go fast" mods and some underhood detail.

Dave


Can you or someone find him a clean looking defrost switch? That's gotta stick out like a sore thumb in that black, svelte interior.

Awesome car Charlie, can't wait to see what Dave has in store for you widebody!


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #347, 01-29-2012 09:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lamborghinikid:

can we get the info on the wheels you used they are nice also did you use spacers in the rear?


Sorry it took so long to reply. The wheels are the TSW Indy 500s. They were originally 17x8, but I had the fronts widened to 17x9 and the rears to 17x10. I used 32mm spacers up front and 50mm spacers on the rear. The front tires are 255/40/17s. The rears are 285/40/17s. After Dave does his upgrades I'm probably going to upgrade to 255/35/19s up front and 305/30/19s on the rear.

Sorry no new pictures right now. Haven't driven it since November. I do start it on weekends just to hear it run As far as the defrost switch...I have an idea I'm going to try out.

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #348, 01-29-2012 03:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


Sorry it took so long to reply. The wheels are the TSW Indy 500s. They were originally 17x8, but I had the fronts widened to 17x9 and the rears to 17x10. I used 32mm spacers up front and 50mm spacers on the rear. The front tires are 255/40/17s. The rears are 285/40/17s. After Dave does his upgrades I'm probably going to upgrade to 255/35/19s up front and 305/30/19s on the rear.

Sorry no new pictures right now. Haven't driven it since November. I do start it on weekends just to hear it run As far as the defrost switch...I have an idea I'm going to try out.




Try Mr clean Magic eraser on the interior....it works wonders.

Not to stick my foot in my mouth on this one, but I expect to see more than 400whp on Charlie's car after the upgrades....it will still be supercharged.

Dave



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #349, 01-29-2012 07:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:
...compared to these...






I'm still digging those Wilwoods. Anything to report compared to the other ones? And why did you have to come back to the shop for wheel balancing? Something wrong?



m0sh_man (macantley@suddenlink.net) MSG #350, 02-04-2012 10:01 PM
      i thought you guys moved shop to kentucky?


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #351, 02-05-2012 05:43 AM
      The sale of my shop fell through, so we got stuck in Joisey.

We still want to pack up and go, but it will probably be a few more years before either I can sell the shop or be able to pack it all up and convince Southern Kentuckians that German cars are better than American trucks.

Charlie and I spoke the other day and we are still on track for his car being dropped off on the 17th.

Madcurl, I'm not ignoring your post, I just don't have the answer for you. I can say that that brake setup is definitely the nicest set of brakes I have ever driven on (except for a Porsche 997), but the pedal feel is pretty amazing. The adjustable proportioning valve once dialed in makes it even better.

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #352, 02-06-2012 09:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


I'm still digging those Wilwoods. Anything to report compared to the other ones? And why did you have to come back to the shop for wheel balancing? Something wrong?


Had the larger tires installed after Dave finished his final check on the car when it came back from Archie. The shop I went to were the only guys I would trust. In the end we were able to determine the rear wheel bearings were bad. Dave's going to take care of that and do some "go even faster" mods. The brakes are so choice. I highly recommend them.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #353, 02-17-2012 02:06 PM
      Just got the car to Dave. Looking forward to the mods he has in mind.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #354, 02-26-2012 08:29 AM
      and so we start the next chapter in this saga.......

This year's mods are pretty simple. About a week's worth of build time and then tuning, dyno and Charlie will pick it up.

We started with installing Held Motorsport's front suspension kit. This required cutting off the original spring perch and welding it back to the chassis. This allows clearance for the coil over shock. Here are a few pics. Sorry about the poor quality....my camera was acting up at the time....





The next part of the build will be to drop out the drivetrain and POR 15 the engine bay and cradle. While that is out, we will be upgrading the cylinder heads (ZZP stage 3), full size intercooler, Gen V, blower, 77mm N* throttle body, powdercoated aluminum valve covers, upgraded fuel pump, RD upgraded transmission brackets and his ultimate shift kit, and making the engine bay show quality so Charlie can take some 1st place trophies in addition to making the car hit Charlie's desired whp.

 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Not to stick my foot in my mouth on this one, but I expect to see more than 400whp on Charlie's car after the upgrades....it will still be supercharged.

Dave




qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #355, 02-26-2012 03:19 PM
      looks good. I have an 88, and I have been looking into the HT motorsports Tubular UCA/LCA set up. Looking forward to seeing how you like this. What brake setup is that? HT has a wilwood set up, is that where you got it?

Thanks

rob


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #356, 02-27-2012 02:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

looks good. I have an 88, and I have been looking into the HT motorsports Tubular UCA/LCA set up. Looking forward to seeing how you like this. What brake setup is that? HT has a wilwood set up, is that where you got it?

Thanks

rob


Yes it is. I opted for the six piston setup over the four piston he offers. Unmatched stopping power.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #357, 03-01-2012 06:01 AM
      Here is a little before shot of the engine.....the body shop got a little dust and overspray baked in.



I really want to see this car take home a shelf of 1st place trophies this year, so we started off with removing the entire drivetrain to POR15 the engine bay and cradle.
The zzp stage 3 heads have arrived....





The red valve covers and yellow body were kind of clashing, so I powdercoated the zzp aluminum covers with a matching Corvette yellow to match the paint on the car.



We upgraded to a gen 5 blower, 77mm throttle body, (it has the XP hot cam), full size intercooler and everything that looked out of place, will be getting refreshing. We also upgraded the transmission and engine mount brackets to Rodney's thicker ones. We have bent the stock ones with the torque produced from a similiar setup.


More to come......



RumbleB MSG #358, 03-08-2012 01:23 AM
      Just curious on what type of MAF sensor you are going to use. I have a 4" throttle body for my gen-5 blower and is the deck lid going to close with that intercooler on there? It looks really high.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #359, 03-13-2012 06:42 PM
      I love it.
It seems every time I put a Fiero swap on the lift, our German car business triples. Ryan and I have been going crazy fixing BMW's, Porsche's and MINI's these past two weeks. Charlie's car finally started up today with the new heads, Gen V blower and I fabricated a completely new intercooler setup that I think is the best setup I have done on a 3800. I vacuum filled the reservoir, turned on the key and 30 seconds later, the entire system was bled out. We also changed the intercooler coolant from the VW G12 to BMW blue antifreeze. I found the BMW seemed a little better (personal reasons). I like using a different color coolant in the intercooler so that if a leak develops, it can easily be determined as to whether it is from the intercooler or the cooling system.
Here are some installed pics taken late today.





We wound up also changing a lot of the wiring harness loom that had some overspray on it, and chemical cleaning the parts that needed some touch up. The yellow that we powdercoated matches almost perfectly to the exterior paint.

We had to use the ZZP gen V turndown to clear the decklid on the driver's side. Otherwise, the decklid strut wouldn't be able to be used anymore. I used the LQ4 MAF sensor on this setup. The passenger side had to have the decklid notched slightly, but it is very clean.

I hope to be able to start tuning the car tomorrow or Thursday and then get the WOT tuning done this weekend with the wideband.
If all goes well, we will have some impressive dyno numbers to post up within the next week or two.




Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #360, 03-16-2012 08:25 PM
      Ordered my new wheels today...Forgeline SP3P in brushed finish with polished lip. 19x9s up front and 19x11s on the rear. I expect delivery in Mid April. Ordering the tires soon as well.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #361, 03-16-2012 11:01 PM
     

Nice i almost chose these myself, but opted for a very simlair style.

Charlie do you know what size of lips you are going to have ?

Great choice.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #362, 03-17-2012 07:24 AM
      Thanks Tony. Looking at about 2.5 to 3 inch lip up front and 5.5 to 6 inch on the rear wheels. Placing the order for the tires today.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #363, 03-17-2012 12:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Thanks Tony. Looking at about 2.5 to 3 inch lip up front and 5.5 to 6 inch on the rear wheels. Placing the order for the tires today.


Wow! The rear lips 5.5"-6 will be the widest ever attempted on a Fiero. I'm going to pass out once I see them. Leroy and I have 5" on the rears.


LaFierte MSG #364, 03-20-2012 04:45 PM
      Where did you get the gauges from?

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #365, 03-20-2012 04:48 PM
      Speedhut. The address is http://www.speedhut.com/ Great sales staff and customer service.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #366, 03-27-2012 05:23 PM
      Just a quick 10 second video of the blower being louder than the exhaust...The video was taken from my phone. In person, the car sounds amazing.
Dave



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #367, 03-27-2012 05:28 PM
      What exhaust? All I heard was wwwwwwhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiinnnnneeeeee!!!

THAT'S SICK!!!

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 03-27-2012).]

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #368, 03-29-2012 11:44 AM
      I stopped by the tire shop to get an alignment on my wife's vehicle when I saw two of my four tires had come in.





The one on the left is a 255 and the same tires I currently have on the front of my car. Looks pretty small compared to the 325!


1988holleyformula MSG #369, 03-30-2012 09:39 PM
      Jeez guys, I have to pick up my jaw from the floor after that video... only to have to do it again looking at that rubber! Love the progress on your car Charlie!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #370, 03-30-2012 11:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

I stopped by the tire shop to get an alignment on my wife's vehicle when I saw two of my four tires had come in.





Sweet. IMHO the Michelins are stickier than PZeros. You can actually feel the sticky tread.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #371, 04-01-2012 09:37 AM
      This week will be pretty much tuning time for the car. I'll be datalogging with a wideband to and from work and making adjustments as needed.
My only complaint so far is the front suspension kit achieves max caster at 4.8 degrees. I was hoping to run more than that, but the 4.8 degrees is in factory spec.

Dave


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #372, 04-04-2012 09:48 AM
     

The anticipation is killing me !

When you put those wheels on, i may need resuscitation.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #373, 04-04-2012 08:21 PM
      I spent some time driving the car today....all I can say is that car is FAST! I am looking forward to seeing the dyno numbers soon.
Not sure if I listed the mods before, but here is the list:

POR 15 engine bay and cradle
Held Motorsports complete front suspension upgrade with coil overs and tubular control arms
Rodney Dickman's shifter rebuild kit and transmission bracket upgrades
Generation 5 blower with 3.0" supercharger pulley
powdercoated to match the body aluminum valve covers
77mm throttle body with ZZP's turndown to fit under the decklid
Full size intercooler with custom reservoir
ZZP stage 3 ported heads with oversize valves (it has the XP hot cam)
Devil's own Methanol injection- I was able to add 4 degrees of timing safely at WOT
4" CAI
(pre existing hand made stainless steel unequal length headers)

I'm sure Charlie will be seeing some 1st place trophies this year...



InTheLead MSG #374, 04-05-2012 06:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

Just a quick 10 second video of the blower being louder than the exhaust...The video was taken from my phone. In person, the car sounds amazing.
Dave


Sweet sounds/looks great.



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #375, 04-07-2012 02:11 PM
      I've been driving charlie's car and testing its limits.......let's just say the car now has enough power to make a Getrag blow into many pieces.
I'll update as we progress.
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #376, 04-07-2012 02:23 PM
      Well in excess of 430whp easily kills a Getrag 282, the axles, and clutch....most impressive that this was done while rolling after shifting to 2nd from 1st!!!

On the positive side...the tune is 100% perfect

Quite the increase from last year


ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #377, 04-07-2012 04:50 PM
      ...Sorry to hear the news? Or am I? Can't wait to see this car when it's finished! What's the status of the new wheels?

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #378, 04-07-2012 04:54 PM
      Wheels are due in this week. Tires are already in.



Here's the fronts.


I picked up the centercaps for my wheels from the paint shop yesterday. They were painted to match my car. I decided to put the decals on now.


With tape removed from exterior ring...


With decal applied.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 04-08-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #379, 04-08-2012 11:25 AM
     


Charlie can you give me the offsets you are using on your wheels ?

Your car still has the 87 suspension right ??


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #380, 04-08-2012 07:16 PM
      Sure Tony. PM sent.

nitroheadz28 MSG #381, 04-09-2012 01:22 AM
      I just spent the last 45 minutes or so reading all 10 pages or so, my jaw is still on the floor- someone come and scrape it off lol.

Those rear tires are , I can't wait to see those wheels- I just might stroke out

Hopefully if I'm lucky enough, I'll get to see this bad boy up close at one of the shows on the east coast at some point


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #382, 04-09-2012 01:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Wheels are due in this week.


Wow! That's quick.


RULOOKIN (duane.66@rogers.com) MSG #383, 04-09-2012 08:34 PM
      Great choice on the wheels !!!! cant wait to see it

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #384, 04-09-2012 08:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RULOOKIN:

Great choice on the wheels !!!! cant wait to see it


Now if we can just get you to do a build thread on your awesome ride, everything would be good within the fiero world !


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #385, 04-11-2012 09:52 AM
     

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #386, 04-12-2012 08:39 AM
      We are scrambling to get the car ready for the car shows, but as stated before the transmission failed. An upgrade is in the works.
Here are a few pics of what serious torque and horsepower can do to a Getrag....















nosrac MSG #387, 04-12-2012 08:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

We are scrambling to get the car ready for the car shows, but as stated before the transmission failed. An upgrade is in the works.
Here are a few pics of what serious torque and horsepower can do to a Getrag....


Real Bummer!

F23 or F40 ??? as I know you're NOT going AUTO.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #388, 04-18-2012 10:19 PM
     


Wheels arrive yet ??


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #389, 04-19-2012 11:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Wheels arrive yet ??


Yeah, what he said.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #390, 04-19-2012 12:13 PM
      Sorry...not yet guys. Should be done shortly.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #391, 04-27-2012 09:45 AM
     


wheel watch.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #392, 04-28-2012 04:09 PM
      Talked to Forgeline on Thursday. They have very strict quality control measures and one of the wheels didn't meet their standards. They expect to ship them to me by Monday or Tuesday. In regards to the drivetrain...things are proceeding on track.

Carcenomy MSG #393, 04-30-2012 07:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:





Yeouch! I know this feeling. Once had an MX6 pull a similar trick...



Didn't quite vent the case like that though!

What are you chaps up to on the replacement transmission front anyways?



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #394, 05-02-2012 08:36 PM
      Right now that remains CLASSIFIED . More to follow in the coming weeks.

Today my Forgelines arrived. I'll be posting pictures shortly. They look amazing.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #395, 05-02-2012 09:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Right now that remains CLASSIFIED . More to follow in the coming weeks.

Today my Forgelines arrived. I'll be posting pictures shortly. They look amazing.


Holy cow ! Allllll right !

i am probably more excited than the owner hehehe. Can't wait to see them.

You may sway my choice of wheels hehehe.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #396, 05-03-2012 02:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


Today my Forgelines arrived. I'll be posting pictures shortly. They look amazing.


LOC?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #397, 05-03-2012 11:22 AM
      Ok everyone...as promised. Here's what I found when I got home yesterday...

A special thanks goes to Rick at Wheels Performance for putting this together and Mark at Forgeline for working with me to get the measurements right.



Here's my actual offsets just for you Tony!



The guys at Forgeline did an excellent job of packing the wheels as you can see.



Stamped with date of completion!!!


Front wheel


Rear wheel...deep dish anyone???



Side by side...


They looked so good I decided to see how they looked with the centercaps I had done





I'm not going to have the tires mounted until the car is back.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 05-03-2012).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #398, 05-03-2012 12:10 PM
      Nice!!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #399, 05-03-2012 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Side by side...





Sweeeeet! Hats off to you for raising the bar when it comes to wheels and that rear lip is crazy! I can't wait to see the wheels mounted on the Fiero.


1988holleyformula MSG #400, 05-03-2012 01:51 PM
      Wow. So how deep is that rear lip? edit: 5.5" that is impressive.

They look awesome, and those center caps should really make them pop with that awesome paint job your car has.

[This message has been edited by 1988holleyformula (edited 05-03-2012).]

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #401, 05-03-2012 02:05 PM
      The most I was able to get was 5.5" Things are falling into place regarding the drivetrain upgrades.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #402, 05-03-2012 02:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

The most I was able to get was 5.5" Things are falling into place regarding the drivetrain upgrades.


That is the widest rear lip ever performed on a Fiero that I know of. A 1/2" more and your entering the Lamborghini world of rear lips (they're sporting 6").

Make sure you bring the wheels and tires to a shop that specializes in mounting flat wide barrel wheels. I took mine to a shop with Ferrari/Mercedes in the shop and they couldn't mount them. I took them to a local small shop in town and the older gentlemen know his craft and mounted them with no issues.

How much does the rear wheel weight?

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 05-03-2012).]

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #403, 05-03-2012 02:42 PM
      My guess is the box and packing materials were about 5lbs ea. That brings the wheel weight F/R to 25/27. I'm going to put them on a scale in the near future and confirm.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #404, 05-03-2012 02:52 PM
      Not sure why I got a double post.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 05-03-2012).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #405, 05-03-2012 04:46 PM
      Is the backside painted in silver?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #406, 05-03-2012 04:58 PM
     

Charlie those are phenomenal !!



Congratulations and thanks for sharing.

When you get the rubber on and those puppies mounted on your car you better be prepared for the extreme amount of attention you are going to get.

Widebody plus wide wheels = Priceless !


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #407, 05-03-2012 05:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Is the backside painted in silver?


I believe so.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #408, 05-03-2012 05:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Charlie those are phenomenal !!

Congratulations and thanks for sharing.

When you get the rubber on and those puppies mounted on your car you better be prepared for the extreme amount of attention you are going to get.

Widebody plus wide wheels = Priceless !


Just trying to be worthy of running with you "BIG DOGS"!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #409, 05-03-2012 06:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


I believe so.


Good. I didn't know it at the time in 1999, but later on I realized that having the back side painted or chromed was the best thing since slice bread. I have my newer wheels polished with a clear coat on the inner barrels.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #410, 05-03-2012 07:47 PM
      I'm certain they did clear coat on the inners too. Curly, I noticed on the thread you sent me you were using a wheel polish that now shows it's no longer available. Since I have time to do it I was thinking of adding another layer of protection to the inners. Any recommendations?

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 05-04-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #411, 05-25-2012 02:37 AM
     

charlie,

When do you hope to have her back ?


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #412, 05-25-2012 05:47 AM
      We were hoping to have it ready for the GM Nationals at Carlisle, but we are waiting on parts, so the car is just sitting at my house inside our (Troy's) trailer.
Dave


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #413, 06-04-2012 11:19 AM
     

Charlie how often do you just go peek at those gorgeous wheels and just smile ?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #414, 06-04-2012 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Charlie how often do you just go peek at those gorgeous wheels and just smile ?


Every other day. Weekly on the tires.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #415, 06-06-2012 01:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

I'm certain they did clear coat on the inners too. Curly, I noticed on the thread you sent me you were using a wheel polish that now shows it's no longer available. Since I have time to do it I was thinking of adding another layer of protection to the inners. Any recommendations?



They don't sell it any longer in CA, but they do sell the product outside CA. This is only used on high polish areas and not on paint. Just use a good quality wax, but you need to wait until you have the tires mounted so that the weights won't fall off. You can then wax the inners after the tires are mounted.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 06-06-2012).]

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #416, 07-08-2012 12:26 AM
      Just to give all of you a "heads up" we're still waiting on items from WCF. Dave ordered them back at the beginning of May. They promised him the items would be shipped in three weeks. Here we are in July and still no parts. Maybe I'll be able to enjoy my car this summer.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #417, 07-08-2012 12:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Just to give all of you a "heads up" we're still waiting on items from WCF. Dave ordered them back at the beginning of May. They promised him the items would be shipped in three weeks. Here we are in July and still no parts. Maybe I'll be able to enjoy my car this summer.


What's is that your waiting for? I should be by their shop on Monday. Oh yeah, are those tires mounted on the those wheels? I'd love just seeing them mounted by themselves. Please give a wheel addict my quick fix.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #418, 07-08-2012 12:49 PM
      PM sent regarding the details Curly. As far as mounting the wheels...I have to wait until the car is back. I'm going to the tire shop today to stare at my tires that have been sitting in a corner since May when WCF was supposed to have our drivetrain parts done. The wheels are still in my shed in the boxes.

ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #419, 07-20-2012 03:22 AM
      Updates? Still waiting on WCF?

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #420, 07-20-2012 07:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ConvictedRedneck:

Updates? Still waiting on WCF?


Oh yes.....I believe Charlie's temper is about to burst with the delay. I spoke with WCF and they state the clutch and flywheel will be ready to ship today. I said to Chris West before, that he makes nice stuff, but if he was upfront about the delay, we would have gone a different route. This backs up my shop's schedule which I run very tightly. I managed to sneak in a VW Toureag V10 TDI twin turbo upgrade in to kill a few weeks while we are waiting, but if I didn't have the extra projects, I would be losing over $1000 a day due to the delay.

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #421, 07-20-2012 01:06 PM
      I'm beyond that point. I know they don't have the clutch or the axles. They know they don't have it and never did. WCF was more than happy to charge up front for it almost 3 months ago now. They promised you a 3 week turn around, but look at where we are now. What pisses me off is they listed a kit on their website they knew they didn't have and didn't have a clue how to produce. I agree that had we known this back then...you could have outsourced the axles, clutch, and flywheel and I would probably have made it to Carlisle. Chris claimed on Tuesday the clutch would be ready by Thursday. Of course nothing was mentioned about the axles. Let's see what the exucse is today for it not being ready. I don't believe it will be the clutch he was more than happy to charge us extra for and probably won't be an improvement over what you had in my car prior to this year's upgrades. I thought I was going to get to enjoy my car this summer, but if we keep waiting on WCF I'm would be concerned I'd even be driving it this year.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #422, 07-20-2012 02:30 PM
     

Wow,..that sucks.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #423, 07-20-2012 07:09 PM
      As I expected...nothing is ready. WCF (Chris) promised Dave he would have it in hand next week. Thought it was supposed to be ready by yesterday according to what he promised Dave on Tuesday. Of course there was the same promise last week. Gee...I've heard those kind of promises before. After nearly 3 months is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Starting to sound too much like the "Loyde" business model.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #424, 07-21-2012 07:13 AM
      All we can do is wait and see if Chris is true to his word or blowing smoke up my ass. I understand delays and not being able to get parts on time. I go through that all the time. The entire reason I went with WCF on this setup is that I want to keep the money inside the Fiero community and help Fiero vendors. I said when I first started Haus of Guru that I wouldn't replicate parts that can be purchased from vendors...unless their product didn't meet my standards.

Chris told me his usual axle supplier stopped making the parts he needed, so he has to find another way to make them and it is under control. He and I have been back and forth on the phone and in emails about the clutch setup. Charlie and I asked for a refund for the parts we did not get and we were going to use a Spec stage 3+ clutch and aluminum flywheel, but that was ignored and WCF claimed that the stage 3+ won't hold over 300ft lbs without slipping. I have installed the 3+ in a LS3 Fiero, a turbo 3800 and my 3800s/c car...all making over 300ft lbs with no issues.

Not to drag this out, the point I am making is simple. I will give Chris until July 27th to have the (streetable) clutch and flywheel in my hands or then I will be calling my bank to do a credit card reversal. If I knew my customer was in a rush and I couldn't make the deadline and he wanted a refund, I would refund the money. We were promised at the end of June. It is now throwing off my business because our Toureag turbo diesel turbos just came back from the shop that upgraded the compressor wheels and the engine should be back in this upcoming week.

Dave

[This message has been edited by bmwguru (edited 07-21-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #425, 07-26-2012 03:59 PM
     

Almost high noon.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #426, 07-26-2012 04:47 PM
      spoke to WCF today. I won't go into details. All I will say is that I will be sourcing the flywheel/clutch and axles for this build.

Dave


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #427, 07-26-2012 05:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:

spoke to WCF today. I won't go into details. All I will say is that I will be sourcing the flywheel/clutch and axles for this build.

Dave





Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #428, 07-26-2012 06:07 PM
      Three months wasted on that BS artist. How he can market a product he did't have or clearly have a clue how to produce is unbelievable. More than happy to take money from us up front though. Sounds like someone is practicing the "Loyde" business model....take money up front...deliver nothing...make excuses and promises...and still deliver nothing.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #429, 07-27-2012 07:36 AM
      I was too pissed to discuss this yesterday.

My whole reasoning behind this was to keep money inside the Fiero community. I have always stated that I would rather give a little extra money to a Fiero vendor than an outside source thus keeping the Fiero vendor in business so he can continue making products for our cars.

When I approached WCF with our plan to go F40, they said it would be 3 weeks and around $3300 not including the transmission. They told me that they sold a few kits before and had all the issues that I ran into on Michael's "project Cr3810n" solved. The issues we had on our last F40 build were the clutch and flywheel stack height and passenger side cv joint hitting the oil filter. I'm not certain of what caused the delay at WCF's end, but we recieved everything except the clutch/flywheel and the axles. We are still uncertain what the $75 in special bolts are.

At this point, I will get the needed parts myself and call the last 3 months a complete loss and waste of time. This mishap greatly upsets Charlie, myself and caused me to turn away other cars that I could have done.

The only reason at this point that I am not losing over $1000 a day is the massive heat wave cause triple the normal repairs at the shop. BMW water pump jobs are getting towed in by the handful.

Dave

[This message has been edited by bmwguru (edited 07-27-2012).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #430, 07-27-2012 08:55 AM
      Good to see this awesome project getting back on track. I know how it feels to have a project delayed by a parts vender, I ordered my new Koni struts in April from TireRack and we are still waiting.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #431, 08-04-2012 11:12 AM
      Here is the latest.......

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/089925.html


Inside of one week after WCF failed to provide a clutch and flywheel (three months), Spec sent this to us at half the cost of WCF.



It took us about 30 minutes to get the transmission out and two hours to fit the F40 back in....






exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #432, 08-28-2012 06:41 PM
     

Anything new ?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #433, 08-28-2012 10:46 PM
      Dave is expecting the axles anytime this week. Everything else was reassembled earlier this month. Shouldn't be much longer now.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #434, 08-29-2012 08:48 AM
      The car is completely assembled....just waiting for the axles to show up from the driveshaft shop. WCF is still on my sh!t list and I used to refer Fiero owners to them for products....but I will never give them a good reference again. I am still out the $2445 that they haven't refunded.

Anyway, here are a few pictures. The throttle body had to be mounted upside down and the ZZP turndown had to be remade to fit with WCF's mounts. Their mounts moved the drivetrain up about 3/4" from the getrag mounts and we had tight clearances before. Charlie told me that I did not have permission to notch the driver's side decklid and use a prop rod....so I got creative.








Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #435, 08-29-2012 09:57 AM
      Wow...I was way off on the understanding scale. I thought you meant putting a scoop thru the vent and sticks up over the roof of the car. Valuable lesson learned for me.

[This message has been edited by Charlie64 (edited 08-29-2012).]

nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #436, 08-29-2012 04:15 PM
      Whats your estimate on RWHP that this set up will put out?

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #437, 08-29-2012 04:46 PM
      here are the mods:

Gen V supercharger with 2.8" pulley
full size intercooler
methanol injection
ZZP stage 3 cylinder heads with oversize valves
XP hot cam with double roller timing chain
custom hand made headers
77mm Northstar throttle body
Haus of Guru tuning
aluminum flywheel

I expect to see 400whp on a safe tune

Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #438, 08-29-2012 06:34 PM
      400whp??? Only if you tune it down. I'm hoping we got more than a 40whp Increase.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #439, 08-29-2012 07:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

400whp??? Only if you tune it down. I'm hoping we got more than a 40whp Increase.


Trust me the corvette boys will be looking at your taillights . Looking good!


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #440, 08-30-2012 07:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

400whp??? Only if you tune it down. I'm hoping we got more than a 40whp Increase.


The limitation factor is the M90 blower. It can only push so much air. The more boost, the hotter the air = less power. The trick is to find that balance and cool the intake. I've tweaked my personal car to the limit and have more whp than similiar setups, but I run mine on the edge, pulling fuel at WOT and letting the methanol do its job. I also datalog constantly to ensure the engine is doing what it should because if the meth pump fails, I'll be in the market for a new engine. Charlie's car will be tuned safely, so that this won't be a worry.
The advantage Charlie's car has over most is the headers outflow just about everything else made for a 3800 Fiero. With a roots blower, you don't want restrictive headers. One car came into my shop a little while ago with stock manifolds and the owner asked us to install WCF headers. I datalogged his car before and the tune was dead on. After just installing the headers, we had 2 degrees of knock at full throttle.
Back on topic, I am not sure until we hit the dyno if we will be keeping the 2.8" pulley or back to the 3.0" pulley. It depends on where I can keep the timing.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #441, 08-30-2012 08:06 AM
      It's very disappointing that no one makes the whipple SC kit for the 3800 anymore. Last option to get the most HP out of it would be a twin charge setup. Don't see that happening in the near future.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #442, 09-11-2012 06:46 PM
      Good news! Dave informed me he drove my car this afternoon. He's going to make some adjustments, but my car is finally back on the road

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #443, 09-12-2012 12:31 AM
     

allllllllllright !! That is great news.


Now hurry up and get her home so you can get those bada** wheels on before Curly and i have a bling, bling meltdown.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #444, 09-12-2012 01:57 AM
      Pics, pics, pics!

ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #445, 09-12-2012 12:05 PM
      Chance you'll make it to Lititz??

ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #446, 09-12-2012 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Pics, pics, pics!



Videos, videos, videos!



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #447, 09-12-2012 10:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:
Inside of one week after WCF failed to provide a clutch and flywheel (three months), Spec sent this to us at half the cost of WCF.


I understand keeping money "inside the Fiero community", but if a vendor can provide the part at half the cost, it's just not competitive. You should have stopped right there. When I build a product for my customer, I see it as my obligation to give him the best deal possible. (price/speed/quality)

Even if a vendor builds parts specifically for the Fiero, their pricing should be competitive with outside vendors. - Especially if the outside vendors are building parts for the Fiero as well. Outside vendors should support the Fiero as well, and if we don't order from 3rd party vendors, we won't have any 3rd party vendors catering to Fieros.

example: Even though I could just go ahead and by 3rd party Moog balljoints, I buy them through Rodney, because he IS competitive with 3rd party suppliers, and I support him. If his products were 2x, or 3x as expensive, I'd buy Moog. (as the products are about the same quality) (note: I wouldn't buy a cheap chinese knockoff, just because it's cheaper, since the quality doesn't match my requirement)

/soapbox


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #448, 09-15-2012 10:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:


I understand keeping money "inside the Fiero community", but if a vendor can provide the part at half the cost, it's just not competitive. You should have stopped right there. When I build a product for my customer, I see it as my obligation to give him the best deal possible. (price/speed/quality)

Even if a vendor builds parts specifically for the Fiero, their pricing should be competitive with outside vendors. - Especially if the outside vendors are building parts for the Fiero as well. Outside vendors should support the Fiero as well, and if we don't order from 3rd party vendors, we won't have any 3rd party vendors catering to Fieros.

example: Even though I could just go ahead and by 3rd party Moog balljoints, I buy them through Rodney, because he IS competitive with 3rd party suppliers, and I support him. If his products were 2x, or 3x as expensive, I'd buy Moog. (as the products are about the same quality) (note: I wouldn't buy a cheap chinese knockoff, just because it's cheaper, since the quality doesn't match my requirement)

/soapbox


It was more that WCF claimed to have a complete kit...tested and all the bugs worked out. I built Michael's project CR3810N turbo/F40 and the only issues we are having are from the F40 install parts. I didn't want to have to R&D a trans setup on this car, but it is already done, driving and now I have the formula needed to make a F40 work with a 3800.

I'll be posting up some videos later today or tomorrow.

Dave


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #449, 09-16-2012 09:21 AM
      I took about 6 videos, but driving in Howell is pretty boring....and I need better video editing software. Here is a quick video of me going to the gas station...lol. If all goes well, this car will be back in Charlie's hands very soon.

Here is the final mod list:

3800s/c gen V blower with 3.0" pulley. 42lb injectors. ZZP stage 3 heads. XP hot camshaft, handmade custom headers with Magnaflow muffler, 77mm Northstar throttle body, ZZP full size intercooler, Devil's Own methanol injection, F40 G6 6 speed manual transmission with aluminum flywheel.

The 2.8" pulley was not very good on the Gen V blower. The injectors couldn't keep up and the blower was falling off too early. It pulls harder with the 3.0" pulley and we are running 18 degrees of timing at WOT with no KR.

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #450, 09-16-2012 10:41 AM
      here are pics from the last page.....I am impressed that my luck at matching the yellow powercoating to the exterior paint is a pretty close match.
All I can say is that it is a fun car to drive!









Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #451, 09-16-2012 11:12 AM
     

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #452, 09-16-2012 02:05 PM
      I took Charlie's car to the outskirts of town and took some pics near the abandoned factory and other rural areas. I've probably put about 300 miles on this car in the past two days.

















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ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #453, 09-17-2012 11:55 AM
      Looks great and sounds like it drives awesome. The gearing on the F40 doesn't sound nearly as short as everyone seems to indicate.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #454, 09-17-2012 06:54 PM
      the gearing feels very close to the Getrag.

jim94 (jcmusco@comcast.net) MSG #455, 09-17-2012 08:48 PM
      Thanks for the ride in my old state of NJ. .nice video.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #456, 09-29-2012 03:58 PM
      So, Charlie's car was ready to go home and it started getting slower. I did a compression test and leakdown test and our worst fear had come true....we lost cylinder #6.

The sad part is it was still faster than most 3800 Fiero's on only 5 cylinders.



I spent two days and got a low mileage series III short block and switched all his parts over. Since Charlie is a good friend and customer (even with his Mercedes-Benz), I bought him a present for his short block as long as we were digging that far...The XZP cam.



All assembled and ready to drop back in...







Should be on the road again Monday. We also modified Spec's slave cylinder shim. It rattled really bad. If I have to do another 3800s/c/F40, I will either make my own shim or make my own flywheel.

Dave

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bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #457, 09-29-2012 04:03 PM
      I smoke test every engine for vacuum leak before I drop it in. The ZZP aluminum valve covers seem to interfere with the 42lb injectors and sometimes have o-ring leaks.....just keep an eye out for that if you are running that combo.

Dave


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #458, 09-30-2012 03:33 PM
      I went tothe shop this morning and installed the drivetrain. I pulled the fuel pump fuse and cranked it until I got oil pressure. Installed the fuse and it fired right up....and sounded mean. I'll be playing with the Go-Pro this week with this swap and another swap that I am almost done with...should be good for a few videos.
Dave


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #459, 09-30-2012 04:38 PM
      Now that's what I call dedication. This whole experience has been very enlightening. When I had the original swap done back in 2004 I was told the engine came out of a 2004 Grand Prix. I was not aware back then that 2004 and up GPs had the series III engine. Our best guess is the original swap came from an 02 or older with quite possibly a lot of miles. At least now I can say it has been done right!

When Dave said he had a surprise for me had no idea what he was talking about, but very pleased with what he's done. I won't be able to attend the Lititz show this year since I'll be traveling, but Dave knows he's more than welcome to take my car there and "REPRESENT" if he decides it's ready. Hoping to make Pete's next cruise and pick up a camera like Dave's. Guess I'll go stare at my wheels still in the boxes in my shed and drool over my tires at the tire shop.


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #460, 09-30-2012 05:25 PM
      your original pcm came from a 1999 Grand Prix. I can't be sure if that was the year of your motor, but it was definitely a series II. The 2004 Grand Prix's can have a block stamped series II, but will have the series III blower and heads.
The replacement engine was from a 2005 Grand Prix. The junkyard was baffled when I told them that I would be stripping it down to the short block and I wanted a "professional warranty"....basically my word that if there was an issue with the short block, they would not try and say it was my fault. I had to get the motor built and running in a reasonable amount of time for this as well. I performed a leakdown test on it and it runs nice....so we should be set.

Dave


nosrac MSG #461, 10-01-2012 11:55 PM
      U Going to Dyno it? Should be >350WHP.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #462, 10-02-2012 05:26 AM
      yeah, it will definitely be dyno'ed. I am expecting a bit more than 350whp when it is said and done.

I expect the tuning to be complete today or tomorrow.

Here is the mod list again.

Gen V supercharger with 3.0" or 2.8" pulley...not sure yet.
full size intercooler
methanol injection with 7gph nozzle
ZZP stage 3 cylinder heads with oversize valves and 130lb springs
XPZ cam with double roller timing chain
custom hand made headers with 1 5/8" primaries to 3" collector
77mm Northstar throttle body
42lb injectors (hoping they don't max out)
ZZP fuel pump
Cold Air intake
Haus of Guru tuning
Spec aluminum flywheel and stage 3+ clutch



nosrac MSG #463, 10-02-2012 01:01 PM
      What Fuel pump you guys are running and did you do the voltage mod? That will also determine if the injectors need to be upgraded to 60#?
I never had an issue with my 42.5 and I was running 12.0 1/4 mile when I was SC'ed. Although, that was probably attributed to more 4T65e-HD than WHP.
I hope the F40 holds up well and can put the HP to the pavement as it sure looked good on that test drive.


darkhorizon MSG #464, 10-02-2012 03:38 PM
      Considering justin makes almost double on 44lb injectors without meth injection you have problems if you Max out 42.5s at 350whp.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #465, 10-02-2012 04:05 PM
      that is good to know. I expect to see 400whp with these mods, but we will see....I'm hoping the hype with the XZP cam is based on reality. I've been tuning the car and the power is the most I have felt from a s/c 3800.

darkhorizon MSG #466, 10-02-2012 05:06 PM
      double post

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mptighe MSG #467, 10-03-2012 07:52 PM
      So... got any more Go Pro footage? When is the car going back to Charlie? Will it be gone when I come for mine?

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carnut122 MSG #468, 10-06-2012 10:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bmwguru:




Nothing like taking the long way to the gas station! I loved it!


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #469, 10-06-2012 01:17 PM
      And from what we learned this was with the series II engine and on 5 cylinders. Anxious to drive it with the series III engine and all the upgrades. Right now Dave has it at the MAFOA Fall Show in Lititz, PA.

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #470, 10-13-2012 07:31 PM
      Here is the final mod list and it is ready to go home.....

Gen V supercharger with 2.9" pulley
full size intercooler
methanol injection with 5gph nozzle
ZZP stage 3 cylinder heads with oversize valves and 130lb springs
XPZ cam with double roller timing chain
custom hand made headers with 1 5/8" primaries to 3" collector
77mm Northstar throttle body
42lb injectors
ZZP fuel pump
Cold Air intake
Haus of Guru tuning
Spec aluminum flywheel and stage 3+ clutch


Now I read on another thread that the owner of a Fiero got pissed because his car was used for daily driving by the builder. WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM DOING????? I think I added close to 750 miles on Charlies car since he last saw it. I also changed the pulley, tuning and meth nozzle size quite a few times to get the best balance. I finally finished the last bit of tuning in my spare time this week and I don't think I can make it any better so it is done.

Here is how I spent my evening driving home......not sure if I was testing the drivetrain or the radio out....lol.


Sorry about the camera angle.....I was worn out from the work week. Reference note: that is a 200mph speedo and I had it OVER 100MPH on that one backroad.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #471, 10-13-2012 07:53 PM
      Is that all the miles you put on it? I thought you said you were going to "drive" it. 750....7500...like I have an issue with that. Dave, you have essentially built me a new car from the shell of everything we tried to salvage. I guess sitting up for over 3 years as one of Loyde's yard decorations did more damage than we expected. That and the fact the engine was much older than I was led to believe during the original swap. When you tell me the car has your seal of approval...I'm good. Til then...drive it....shoot more video...enjoy the sound system (I guess one of the contributions I did right ) Great video. Looks like you're enjoying it way too much Anxious to see the dyno results.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #472, 10-13-2012 10:07 PM
     

Charlie,

Tell us about your sound system.

When do you hope to have the car back ?

Haus how far are you from Newark ?? I spent last week there, and did not even remember you were in N.J.. I would have loved to have seen this car in person,...although my wife probably would have killed me as it was supposed to be a couple's vacation hehehe.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #473, 10-13-2012 10:17 PM
      Hi Tony. Got all the details regarding the sound system on page 9 of the thread. Of course my favorite part was all the audio shops that told me I couldn't do it. Amateurs.

We're looking at Thursday for pick up. Dave is still in Lakewood, NJ. You should be able to see my car at Daytona next year.

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1988holleyformula MSG #474, 10-13-2012 11:48 PM
      Really excited to see these mounted!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #475, 10-14-2012 05:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

Really excited to see these mounted!



I think we all are salivating over that.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #476, 10-14-2012 10:22 AM
      The tire shop has been giving me grief about having my tires since May. I'm set for the install Friday morning.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #477, 10-17-2012 10:32 PM
      I'm all set to get on the train and pick up my car from Dave tomorrow I went to the tire shop yesterday and they were mounted the front wheels and tires without incident. They unfortunately were unable to mount the rear tires on the wheels. First...the wheels were too wide for their equipment. Second...they didn't have one of the new "high tech" tire mounting machines like the Auto34. After many attempts and an unfortunate accident one of the rear tires suffered a torn sidewall.



They immediately ordered a replacement which is due to arrive tomorrow. After doing some research last night I found found out about the Auto34 Tire Changer and this morning contacted one of our local auto shops, Curry's Auto Service, who has this machine and asked them if they would be able to do the install the massive rear tires on my 11.5" wheels. I brought them the the wheels and the remaining rear tire. They had it done in about 4 minutes.





I was informed the wheel balance was almost perfect without any weights added. Cudos to Forgeline. Had them balance the front wheels with the same results. I plan to follow up with NTB regarding the replacement tire due in tomorow so I can bring it to Curry's Friday morning. I'll see if they won't mind me shooting video of them mounting the remaining tire.

One more night and a wake up and these will be on my car.....FINALLY!!!!!



Sorry for the photo quality. Guess my iPod only takes great pictures when there's plenty of light.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #478, 10-17-2012 10:39 PM
     

Wow !!!


Grantman (jgrantt@hotmail.com) MSG #479, 10-17-2012 10:52 PM
      Double wow!!!

bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #480, 10-18-2012 05:01 AM
      triple wow!!!

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #481, 10-18-2012 01:08 PM
      Awaiting good pics of the morbidly fat wheels mounted on the car.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #482, 10-18-2012 10:19 PM
      Better photos uploaded. Got the car home today. I definitely enjoyed the ride. Unfortunately the replacement tire did not come in today so I'll definitely be following up with NTB tomorrow. For now I'm just happy to have the car home.

mptighe MSG #483, 10-19-2012 07:08 PM
      Seriously?
No pics yet?


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #484, 10-19-2012 07:12 PM
      I got to see one with the new rims a few hours ago.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #485, 10-19-2012 10:39 PM
      After spending several hours waiting for the replacement tire to arrive at NTB...the tire arrived at 3:30. I took it and made it to Curry's Auto Service in about 6 minutes. From there Tim Hoover, the General Manager at that location (616 South Pickett Street, Alexandria, VA) and crew went to work. With the use of the Auto34 tire changer it took less than 5 minutes. Here Alejandro Espinoza starts the mounting process.




Alejandro and Tim get the tire into proper position






Off to balancing...


Here is where Patrick Bowe took over to mount the wheels. Since the car is so low we had to put it on the Hunter Alignment Rack.
Then it was off with the old...


and on with the new



We did discover the lug nuts I used with the TSW wheels would not work with the Forgeline wheels. This required a quick trip to Advance Auto Parts around the corner. When Tim learned of the situation he handed me his keys and let me go get the lug nuts we needed. When I got to Advance Auto Parts, Clifton sold me the last set of M12x1.50 tuner lug nuts he had and they worked perfectly. Additionally they gave the wheels a much better appearance than the hex nuts.



Doesn't the 285 look tiny compared to the 325???

"PUNY TIRE!"



And then there was one!!!


REPLACED!!!


And the calculations were acceptable regarding the offsets




And then to the alignment completed by David Levin...


A very special thank you to Tim, Alejandro, Patrick, and David at the Alexandria, VA Curry's Auto Service for being able to complete this task without issue. Their equipment is definitely top end and for my fellow Fiero owners here in Northern VA...they'll take care of you. They were all very impressed with the work Dave did. I promised Tim I'd let him take my car for a spin on a dry day. When they finished the alignment it was a torrential downpour

Now that the car has settled I'll need to raise the front about an inch. The rear tires fit very nicely now. I'll be working on that tomorrow morning ...weather dependent of course. Next week's task...back to the paint shop to have the chips in the front removed and some touch up.

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bry2an (ballenb3t@gmail.com) MSG #486, 10-19-2012 10:47 PM
      What size are those rims? Very very good job. Fit perfect !!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #487, 10-19-2012 10:54 PM
      Sweeeeet !

More pics off the rack ! oooops, sorry was so excited i missed the part about the downpour.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #488, 10-19-2012 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bry2an:

What size are those rims? Very very good job. Fit perfect !!



19x9 up front with an offset of 22.86...19x11.5 on the rear with an offset of 6.35


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #489, 10-19-2012 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Auto34 tire changer it took less than 5 minutes. A very special thank you to Tim and crew at Curry's Auto Service for being able to complete this task without issue. Their equipment is definitely top end and for my fellow Fiero owners here in Northern VA...they'll take care of you.



Top notch equipment there, especially the alignment where it doesn't touch the rim (less chance of poking it like the old style).


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #490, 10-19-2012 11:39 PM
      Hey Charlie64, did you take any pics of the backside while the car was on the lift? I'd like to see how close the inner barrel was to the coil-over. Thanks.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #491, 10-19-2012 11:44 PM
      Sorry Curly. I didn't get any pictures under the rack. I did see plenty of clearance from where Dave removed the stock strut perch. I could have safely gone up to 19 or 20x12 with 345s. If the weather here is not user friendly tomorrow morning I might just have to go back to Curry's and see if they'll put it on the rack to adjust the front shocks.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #492, 10-20-2012 12:05 AM
      Charlie64 you have a PM.

bry2an (ballenb3t@gmail.com) MSG #493, 10-20-2012 12:31 PM
      Dear Santa, Please look at this car in the above pics. Could you please bring me one of these. I'll ask for nothing else and I'll be a good boy for the ummm 2 years.

I love it


bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #494, 10-20-2012 01:45 PM
      Damn! I wanna drive it now that there are some sticky tires in the back....breaking traction in 4th gear was getting a little scary.

Dave

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1988holleyformula MSG #495, 10-20-2012 04:03 PM
      "Doesn't the 285 look tiny compared to the 325???"

That is a great comparison picture! Those look great on there.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #496, 10-21-2012 12:07 AM
      Here's how today went. Got up early this morning...decided to wipe the car down and saw how much the suspension resettled with the new wheels and tires. The rear tires were both at about 1.5" of clearance from the fender. The front right was at about .75" while the left front was a bit lower...between .25 and .5 of clearance from the fender. I learned while driving the car today this was causing the tire to rub on the fender anytime I hit a bump, made a turn, or came to a sudden halt.


Fortunately there was no damage to the fender or tire. I spoke to Dave earlier this morning after seeing the car in daylight and he explained how to make the adjustment. I thought I would have the shop do it since I didn't really want to roll the vehicle onto lawn concrete squares to get my floor jack under the car, but that didn't work out. Too many errands and besides I was enjoying driving the car on this beautiful day here...just doing it with extra caution. First I didn't have the spanner wrench for my HAL QA1 coilover shocks


so with Dave's guidance I was able to come up with an effective alternate tool from Sears


After bringing my youngest daughter (who was more excited about the car being home again than I was) to all of her Saturday activities we were finally home so I decided to get the jack, jack stands, and concrete square out. Dave told me how easy the task was and he was right. Glad he doesn't charge for phone support I was able to adjust both sides to about 1.4" of fender clearance.







Once I figured out how to do it the adjustments were pretty easy and quick. After driving the car this evening the right side is holding steady at about 1.4" of clearance. The left side has come down slightly, but the tire is no longer rubbing the fender on bumps, turns, or sudden stops. I'll adjust it again tomorrow and monitor it. I was also able to find the issue with my bright lights with Dave's suggestion. I unplugged the adapter harness for my projector headlights from the factory plug...used one of my old hi/low bulbs and found the circuits were functioning normally. In the end one of the prongs from the aftermarket harness plug in had become indented into the plug and wasn't making contact on the associated hi-beam lead. Problem fixed. I'm all set with the paint shop for touch-up and chip removal this coming week. Once completed I'll be posting new photos from an actual photo shoot with a scenic background other than my driveway.

One of the most gratifying moments today was when two guys pulled up next to me at a traffic light after being behind me honking their horn to tell me how totally BAD ASS my car is I'm certainly enjoying this attention.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #497, 10-21-2012 02:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:







One of the most gratifying moments today was when two guys pulled up next to me at a traffic light after being behind me honking their horn to tell me how totally BAD ASS my car is I'm certainly enjoying this attention.


100 times better looking now!


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #498, 10-21-2012 06:17 AM
      Man Charlie that looks sweet!!!!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #499, 10-21-2012 07:45 AM
      Yes, it does look sweet.

Love that WideBody & the tires/wheels fit very nicely.

It has to be very satisfying to have it to this point after all the years at whats his names place..

Archie

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #500, 10-21-2012 10:13 AM
      It's very gratifying. I'm getting so many compliments on the body...then I start the car and it becomes a whole new conversation. As far as the wheels go guys like Curly, Troy, and Tony were my inspiration. Maybe now my car would be welcome in the company of their awesome machines

My 9 yr old has decided this is going to be her car so I guess I'll have to start researching for the next one...LS7/F40! I'm keeping an eye on Troy's thread regarding how his drivetrain is holding up with all that power.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #501, 10-21-2012 11:06 PM
      Today when I was finally able to give my car some attention...I checked to see if I needed to make further adjustment to the front coilovers. Fortunately everything remained unchanged. Next I changed the Sears Platinum battery which Dave had to replace a few months ago with an Optima Yellow Top. The Sears battery wasn't even a year old and was a replacement for one I put in the car last August. That's three batteries in a little over a year. Anyway, I also installed new leather e-brake and shifter boot with yellow quad stitching. I am very pleased with how they came out.




Then it was time for a drive. Too bad there was so much traffic coming back home.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #502, 10-21-2012 11:45 PM
      Before:




After:


Wow! Man Wow! This is sweet!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #503, 10-22-2012 12:04 AM
     
i have put a picture of this car on my phone so i can look at it for motivation.

Totally bada** !!

Charlie get ready for a lot of attention. You are going to be stopped and followed where ever you go.

You have go to be on cloud 9. Congratulations.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #504, 10-22-2012 11:09 PM
      Any more additional pictures and experiences?

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #505, 10-23-2012 10:41 PM
      Gratifying experience of the day....on the way home today the driver of a Porsche Cayman next to me was locked in STARE mode looking at my car. It was a "holy crap...that's hotter than my Porsche"...

It gets better. At the off ramp an older guy in an Acura pulled up next to me...gestured for me to roll my window down and asked me what kind of car it was. When I told him it was a Fiero he said "Really? It's bad ass!"

I'm enjoying this attention thing

Dropping the car off at the paint shop tomorrow for touchup. When I pick it up I'm going to do a photo spread. Trying to emulate you BIG DAWGS out there.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #506, 10-23-2012 11:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Gratifying experience of the day....on the way home today the driver of a Porsche Cayman next to me was locked in STARE mode looking at my car. It was a "holy crap...that's hotter than my Porsche"...

It gets better. At the off ramp an older guy in an Acura pulled up next to me...gestured for me to roll my window down and asked me what kind of car it was. When I told him it was a Fiero he said "Really? It's bad ass!"

I'm enjoying this attention thing


Man, this is going to be good!

Dropping the car off at the paint shop tomorrow for touchup. When I pick it up I'm going to do a photo spread. Trying to emulate you BIG DAWGS out there.





Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #507, 10-24-2012 10:06 PM
      Dropped the car off at the paint shop this morning. By this afternoon the entire car had been sanded and all the road rash up front had been resurfaced. They decided to paint the whole car for a uniform color appearance so they're going to call me before they start tomorrow so I can get pictures of them painting the car.





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #508, 10-25-2012 10:05 AM
      Charlie,

How do you feel about the 19" wheels in the back vs the 20" a lot of the other widebody guys are running ?

They look great in pics, but are you happy with the way they fill out the wheel well and the stance ? i like my cars to sit low, which is why i too may be leaning towards 19" vs the dubs.

i was waiting anxiously to see how yours came out.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #509, 10-25-2012 05:30 PM
      I'm very happy with how they turned out Tony. The math was perfect regarding the offset and I don't think I could have made a better choice.

FierociousGT MSG #510, 10-26-2012 12:27 AM
      Wow.... love it!

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #511, 10-26-2012 01:34 PM
      Pictures from this morning...















Painting is already in progress



bmwguru (bmwguru@optonline.net) MSG #512, 10-26-2012 02:45 PM
      tell those guys at maaco that if they get overspray on the engine after I spent so many hours on it, I will just throw the rope over the bathroom door.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #513, 10-26-2012 07:25 PM
      No worries there Dave. These guys are as OCD about painting as you are about your builds

Both of the painters are highly knowledgable...much more so than the last guys that did it. I'm anxious to see the finished product!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #514, 10-28-2012 12:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Dropped the car off at the paint shop this morning. By this afternoon the entire car had been sanded and all the road rash up front had been resurfaced. They decided to paint the whole car for a uniform color appearance so they're going to call me before they start tomorrow so I can get pictures of them painting the car.


Heck, you might as well add a Camero wing from V8Archie since they're starting over with fresh paint.


mptighe MSG #515, 10-29-2012 01:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Heck, you might as well add a Camero wing from V8Archie since they're starting over with fresh paint.


Camaro wing you say? Where can this be viewed?


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #516, 10-30-2012 05:05 PM
      I went and saw my car at the shop yesterday. I have a few more things I want them to do, but overall the car came out far superior to the last paint job. I hope everyone will be as impressed as I was when I post the new pictures. Besides...the car was safer in the shop during the storm than in front of my house. I'm looking forward to picking it up after work tomorrow.

Gokart Mozart MSG #517, 11-02-2012 04:53 PM
      It's after work tomorrow...

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #518, 11-02-2012 04:55 PM
      And I'm enjoying driving it again!!!!

steve308 MSG #519, 11-02-2012 05:47 PM
      WOW! That thing would be completely awesome if it had an un-stretched Countach body on it!
Just Kidding Madcurl Looks great – one of the best builds to date. Drive it with Pride.


fierogt28 MSG #520, 11-02-2012 06:32 PM
      Charlie64, that a nice modded fiero you got there.

I'm impressed with the alignment shop...its very, very clean and tidy. That's the way a
shop should be. Man, its discouraging when you bring a nice car in and the shop is newer
that the car you own, but the shop is a friggen mess. I don't know how mechanics can
work when their tool box is out of order. There's not a trace of grease on the alignment rack.

I see they have a newer style rack by Hunter. At least they can't have an excuse for scratching
your rims...

Good job !!



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #521, 11-03-2012 11:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogt28:
I'm impressed with the alignment shop...its very, very clean and tidy. That's the way a
shop should be. Man, its discouraging when you bring a nice car in and the shop is newer
that the car you own, but the shop is a friggen mess. I don't know how mechanics can
work when their tool box is out of order. There's not a trace of grease on the alignment rack.

I see they have a newer style rack by Hunter. At least they can't have an excuse for scratching
your rims...

Good job !!



I remember seeing the tire changer and wheel alignment equipment several years back at SEMA. I haven't found a shop that has the Hunter alignment system here where I live, but just the newer tire changer. It's a pain, but I have to mount my tires here in the Bay Area and not down south.


fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #522, 11-03-2012 12:20 PM
      Charlie,
PM.

Matt


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #523, 11-03-2012 01:22 PM
      Thanks Matt. Response sent.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #524, 11-03-2012 03:29 PM
      Here's pictures from the painting. Sorry I didn't get these up sooner. Been enjoying driving my car













I decided to come inside for a few minutes before I take some photos today. We were supposed to have partly cloudy skies today. So much for our forecast.



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #525, 11-04-2012 09:18 PM
      Today was a much more "user friendly" day so naturally....I was out driving the car

I spotted this on 14th Street in downtown DC...still has the paper tag on it!


I did get lots of attention driving thru downtown. Later this afternoon I wiped the car down and took some new pictures...















I plan to do more photos along the scenic route of GW Parkway towards Mount Vernon.


DaveC MSG #526, 11-04-2012 09:42 PM
      Hi Charlie, I've been around this forum off and on since the beginning, and I guess I just like lurking, but I had to come out of the shadows to tell you how beautiful a job all the various crews (and you too!) did on your Fiero. Even my best friend says she thinks it's "Splendid" ! http://www.fiero.nl/forum/icons/icon12.gif

Thanks so much for taking the time to share your progress with us. The skill, passion, and dedication of everyone involved is an inspiration to what can be done with our favorite orphan.

Do you have a name for her yet??

All the best!

Dave



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #527, 11-04-2012 11:32 PM
      Wow!

CommanderKeen MSG #528, 11-05-2012 01:00 PM
      Man that is beautiful

steve308 MSG #529, 11-06-2012 07:36 PM
      Cars and Coffee at Koh's on Sunday? Would love to see it.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #530, 11-06-2012 08:39 PM
      Is that in Great Falls?

steve308 MSG #531, 11-07-2012 06:15 PM
      Nope. Great Falls is Katies on Saturday -- starts 6:30 am (now in the dark) and ends at 10 SUNDAY at Kohls Fairlake starts 8 ish ends 10:30 ish

1988holleyformula MSG #532, 11-07-2012 10:03 PM
      I love being able to see the reflections of the spokes and Wilwood calipers in the rear lip. I just keep coming back to this thread to drool.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #533, 11-14-2012 11:17 PM
      I meant to put these up Sunday. I went to two Northern Virginia Sports Car Club meetups that occur every weekend. Saturdays is in Great Falls, VA the other meetup is on Sundays in the Fairlakes area. Anyway, I was late to the meetup on Saturday so I didn't get to park where all the cars were being viewed, but I did receive a lot of compliments on my car's looks and definitely the sound There were plenty of Ferraris, Lambos, Aston Martins, Audi R8s, Lotus, Vettes out the yazoo, classic Shelby Cobra, a Ford GT, a Nissan GTR, a Telsa, a few old school rides, and then there was my car. At Sunday's meetup there was a balance of European, Japanese, and American (both new and old muscle cars). I was early to this meetup so I managed to get a good parking space. My car got lots of attention. There were three of us Fiero owners at this meetup so I didn't have to "represent" alone. The most fun part of both meetups was having people try to figure out what my car was.

http://www.meetup.com/novas...hotoAlbumId=11700772

I finally got the windows tinted Friday...whoo whoo!
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Gotta give recognition to Steve's car as well. Thanks for letting me know about this meetup.
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Saturday's meetup starts at 7am, but you have to arrive by 6:30 if you hope to have a parking space. I didn't take any pictures of my car at Saturday's meetup and no one has posted any pictures from Saturday's meetup. Sunday's meetup was a little more forgiving on the start time (8:30am). I'm looking forward to going again this weekend...as long as the weather cooperates.

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Jfrost MSG #534, 11-28-2012 02:58 PM
      What an amazing build! The car turned out beautifully.

Gokart Mozart MSG #535, 11-28-2012 04:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


There's just something about that phat rear hip...


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #536, 11-29-2012 03:04 PM
     

Charlie any more stories ??


Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #537, 11-30-2012 12:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:










WOW I LOVE this car. Good job.
I am a fan of the stock GT tail lights so that is one thing I would not have changed but a great looking car. My hat is off to you.

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #538, 11-30-2012 10:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Charlie any more stories ??


Actually...yes. Last Saturday I went to the meetup in Great Falls. BBBRRRRRRRR cold. Anyway on the way home someone in a C43 AMG tried to "run" on me. Not only did I have to back off to keep from being in his back seat....at the next light I made him a memory. Then I let off the gas and he caught up 5 seconds later. Pretty sure he got the message.

Thanks for the compliment Rick. I'm enjoying driving it

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nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #539, 12-03-2012 11:58 PM
      Hey Charlie64

check your pm's have some Authentic Ferrari Tail Lights that can help you finish up that rear end


hypo327 (mickey_327@verizon.net) MSG #540, 12-05-2012 05:07 AM
      Just Gorgeous you guys!! Thanks for showing those nice pictures. I think I'm in love...lol! :-)


nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #541, 12-05-2012 07:12 PM
      Hey Charlie,

reponded to your PM


OHNIKO (nikolaki69@hotmail.com) MSG #542, 12-17-2012 11:00 PM
      sweet car & gr8 build; that was a fun read!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #543, 01-03-2013 10:27 PM
     

Guru,

Please check your pm,

Thanks


zkhennings MSG #544, 02-13-2013 03:36 PM
      Your car looks awesome!

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #545, 02-13-2013 03:42 PM
      Thanks. I'm looking forward to taking it down to Daytona.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #546, 02-14-2013 10:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Thanks. I'm looking forward to taking it down to Daytona.


Charlie if i get drool on your car at the show,,,,i apologize ahead of time.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #547, 02-19-2013 08:01 PM
      Tony, how does this look for a concept that I'd like to become reality???



Here's the original...


zkhennings MSG #548, 02-19-2013 10:10 PM
      I really like the shorter wheelbase, like a Lancia Stratos



Here's the new one, based on a shortened Ferrari 430 chassis and engine. Looks agile and really good the way it is. I am sure it would look good either way of course, photoshop never does the final result justice.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #549, 02-23-2013 11:00 PM
      Meant to post this earlier this month, but here's a change I made to the car....

authentic Ferrari tail lights...the wiring and getting the bulb adapter plates to cooperate was challenging, but it works!!!




We even filled in the spaces in the bumper where my back up lights used to be. I think this gives it a much cleaner look.

Forgot to add this video as well. Was on my way home testing out my new GoPro Black Edition to see if it really did record as well as I was told in low light (and it does!) when this jerk in a 2013 5.0 GT kept annoying me. Where he turned off I was originally going to go straight until he decided to "take off" so I chased him down from 2nd gear. Pretty interesting how quickly I caught up with him. Couldn't shift into 4th and had to let up while in 3rd before ending up in his back seat. Pretty sure he got the point and got to find out his Mustang wasn't the speedster he thought it was. Notice he still had his turn signal on the whole time. Guess he was too busy watching me catch him that he forgot to turn off his signal...

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Squeaky (jaysonstevenson@live.com) MSG #550, 02-27-2013 05:14 PM
      Looks sick man! How much hp do you figure your 3.8L SC puts out? I have a modded 3.4L DOHC and would love to run with those new 5.0L Mustang's.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #551, 02-27-2013 07:35 PM
      Haven't made it to the dyno yet , but the 2013 5.0 advertises 425hp with 390 tq. from the factory. We were doing that much if not more with the old engine. For me to have chased him down from 2nd gear after he had a head start.....

I'm just saying...

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #552, 02-27-2013 09:31 PM
      Looking good Charlie

Squeaky (jaysonstevenson@live.com) MSG #553, 03-01-2013 07:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:

Haven't made it to the dyno yet , but the 2013 5.0 advertises 425hp with 390 tq. from the factory. We were doing that much if not more with the old engine. For me to have chased him down from 2nd gear after he had a head start.....

I'm just saying...



'Nuff said, thats unbelievable! My DOHC won't be slow but there's no way I'll be nearly that zippy without forced induction, better start saving haha. Nicely done sir.




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #554, 03-11-2013 12:32 AM
     

Charlie not sure if you had seen or posted this one yet ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0e6TsT-yMA


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #555, 03-11-2013 07:07 AM
      No. I did not know this was out there. Thanks for sharing it I thought the guy was just taking pictures, but this is so much better

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TRiAD MSG #556, 03-14-2013 10:26 AM
      What an incredible thread!
It's like a great storyline from a good book or movie, all the twists and turns, the ups and downs...
...Even some good "beware" stories in there.

+ for you for sharing!
Thanks!



Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #557, 03-19-2013 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TRiAD:

What an incredible thread!
It's like a great storyline from a good book or movie, all the twists and turns, the ups and downs...
...Even some good "beware" stories in there.

+ for you for sharing!
Thanks!




Thanks TRiAD. I've made some nice mods over the last few weeks in preparation for Daytona. Now all I have to do is get ready for my road trip down there

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2.5 MSG #558, 03-21-2013 12:54 PM
      Love the wheel choice, and the way that rear tire sticks out a bit

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #559, 03-24-2013 01:02 AM
     


Sorry about the quality, but a few videos here for you charlie.

It was great to finally meet you in person. Awesome car btw !

http://www.youtube.com/watc...bI&list=HL1364104001

http://www.youtube.com/watc...QI&list=HL1364104001

http://www.youtube.com/watc...pU&list=HL1364104001

http://www.youtube.com/watc...ak&list=HL1364104001


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #560, 03-24-2013 09:02 AM
      Thanks Tony. It was indeed very nice to finally meet you in person as well. Thanks for the winning idea on the turn signals and LEDs. I'm still trying to convince my Northern VA Fiero crowd I'm actually down here and that the pictures I posted from the track are not Photoshop'd...lol.

Now that my car has been unveiled here at Daytona I can post what we've been doing with it over the last month. It started with a desire to change the stock park/turn lenses up front. I had thoughts of doing something like Troyboy or Curly, but that wasn't going to happen in the time we had available. I remembered seeing the setup Tony has on his car so he was nice enough to provide me with the details for the parts and where they were acquired. The guys at Maaco of Fairfax had taken my car in to "touch it up" before the show and were gracious enough to work with the additional project requirements. Colm, the owner of Maaco of Fairfax, also heavy into custom cars and paint, wanted me to be able to enjoy my car as much as possible up until showtime so the last weekend I had it was the first weekend in March. Looking back I should have brought it to him sooner because when I got to Cars & Coffee at Kohl's on March 3rd I had another mishap with my favorite quarter window and didn't find out until I got there.




That was #3 in less than 6 months. Fortunately Justin at the Fiero Store was able to get me a replacement in a timely manner.

While at Maaco here's what they did. While Bobby was making the cut-outs for the new turn/park lenses and LEDs Colm worked out a way to open up the mouth and improve cooling efficiency.





This nose clip was abandoned by a former employee. We're going to use this one for the next nose clip and blend it with the upper portion of a stock GT front facia. It would have been too labor intensive to try and get it done before showtime so this is on the shelf while I acquire another facia for this task.


Anyway, back to the cosmetic mods...in opening the mouth Colm decided to fabricate a baffle to direct airflow thru both the heat exchanger and the radiator. This involved adding a piece of sheet metal on the lower portion of the mouth to pull it down and open it up for the desired effect. In doing so it created a larger gap between the chin spoiler and the stock facia. To solve this we opted to fill in the gap and give it a "one piece" appearance so we wouldn't have to worry about the gap created once he stretched the mouth down to where it needed to be.



After some unforseen delays due to Bobby being sick...Colm and I got creative and pushed forward. On Friday the 15th Bobby had completed the nose mods and the car was ready to be painted at closing time. Steve, the painter, was generous enough to stay after hours and paint the car.





On Saturday the 16th, while the shop was closed, Colm and I worked on installing the lenses and a better mounting system for the tail lights so we wouldn't scratch the rear bumper any time I needed to replace the bulbs. When Steve returned on Monday he didn't like how some aspects of the fiberglass came out so he did some additional molding to make it more asymetrical.





And on the 19th here was the finished product...cut it pretty close didn't we???





Colm and Andy proud of the results.






I'll post more this evening from my trip down here and the show. For now it's time to get back to the Speedway!

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TRiAD MSG #561, 03-24-2013 12:20 PM
      Awesome!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #562, 03-28-2013 12:31 PM
     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRr5hxD96k



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #563, 08-08-2013 10:58 PM
     

Hey Charlie, anything new ??


steve308 MSG #564, 08-13-2013 02:33 PM
      Charlie is off the grid until early September.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #565, 09-02-2013 02:40 AM
      Look what i found. Pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai4aqPu6fuc

Got a chuckle out of the 1980 graphic they put on the screen !

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #566, 12-13-2013 06:50 PM
     

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #567, 12-13-2013 11:51 PM
      Sorry I haven't provided any updates in a while. Ended up having a clutch issue in September. I'm very disappointed with SPEC as this shouldn't have happened with only 6k miles on the clutch...not raced, tracked, or abused. Joey is picking my car up tomorrow morning with the "dawn patrol" so Dave can see what is going on with it. More to follow...


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #568, 12-14-2013 02:12 AM
     

Charles check your pm, thanks.


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #569, 03-30-2014 09:42 PM
      Dave and Joey brought my car back Saturday. Both Dave and I agree it pulls harder now than it did when he put the new drivetrain and clutch in. Not sure if that means we got a "Monday" clutch from SPEC last time.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #570, 03-30-2014 11:24 PM
     
Looking forward to seeing what is next.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #571, 03-30-2014 11:59 PM
      My suggestion would be to follow the SPEC recommendations to break the clutch in with 400 to 450 miles of "normal" driving Before pounding on it.

Have you done a normal break in on the clutch yet?

Archie


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #572, 03-31-2014 09:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

My suggestion would be to follow the SPEC recommendations to break the clutch in with 400 to 450 miles of "normal" driving Before pounding on it.

Have you done a normal break in on the clutch yet?

Archie


Followed their recommendations last time and put an additional 1000+ miles on it before "getting on it". The last one just didn't work out the way it should have. This new clutch actually feels better than the last one. I'm following the recommendations again and we'll see what happens this time around.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #573, 03-31-2014 10:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Charlie64:


Followed their recommendations last time and put an additional 1000+ miles on it before "getting on it". The last one just didn't work out the way it should have. This new clutch actually feels better than the last one. I'm following the recommendations again and we'll see what happens this time around.


Good to hear.

Sounds like you might finally be able to enjoy your car.

You've earned it.

Archie

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Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #574, 03-31-2014 11:29 AM
      Now I'm paying the price with the "BOSS"....remodeling one of our bathrooms and the kitchen is next. She watches entirely too much HGTV!!!!

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #575, 03-31-2014 12:02 PM
      LOL, Charlie I know the feeling as the chop top cost me a master bath remodel for the wife and converting my Bar/pool room in to a playroom for the kids. So this time around I built her a car first and thought I was in the clear for the kitchen remodel .......... lets just say I lost that bet.

Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #576, 03-31-2014 02:54 PM
      Interesting how "We can do that" always ends up being "ME". And after it's done...."we" remodeled this...or "we" repaired that....etc.

topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #577, 03-31-2014 07:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

LOL, Charlie I know the feeling as the chop top cost me a master bath remodel for the wife and converting my Bar/pool room in to a playroom for the kids. So this time around I built her a car first and thought I was in the clear for the kitchen remodel .......... lets just say I lost that bet.


Ha, and I thouught I was all alone... I hadn't done anyting to my Fiero or hadn't spent much cash in teh last year or so since we were doing a first floor master suite addition. After that was well underway, I was cleared to go out for a very expensive new car. I thought we were done, (even steven), but just today she mentioned kitchen remodel. Do'h!


Charlie64 (cpviney@comcast.net) MSG #578, 11-19-2017 09:51 PM
      Finally got to drive mine again. Between medical issues and the car sitting uncovered in the Northern VA weather for about a year...ended up being hydrolocked. Fortunately Dave provided good instructions and I was able to get it running again. I plan on putting more miles on it while I'm home for Thanksgiving. The wife did get her full kitchen and bath remodel with a new roof so at least that's settled!