My Wife’s 88 T-Top Chop-Top LS4 Build
Topic started by: F355spider, Date: 06-15-2011 10:37 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000126.html


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #1, 06-15-2011 10:37 PM
      It all started when I sold my silver Chop-top. I did not realize she was so addicted to my car. We would go out and she would wear her Fiero shirts. She even put up pictures of the car around the house.
Then I gave in and let Gianina know about the 88 T-Top Stephen had for sale. She said buy it.
So Christmas day Gianina got her Christmas present. She was the proud owner of an 88 T-Top Fiero.

Loading up the car at Stephen's House. Many thanks for letting us pick it up Christmas.

On the way home had to stop at Willy's and make sure the car was hanging in there.
The Smile on her face was worth it.


skuzzbomer MSG #2, 06-15-2011 10:56 PM
     
 
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My Wife’s 88 T-Top Chop-Top LS4 Build


How? I must see... subscribing.


Jev-Fiero-Touge MSG #3, 06-15-2011 11:00 PM
      hehe, sounds like a wonderful present.

Hope to see more of this build.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #4, 06-15-2011 11:00 PM
     
Ah hah !

This must be the texas t-top choptop that a member reported stopping by to see ?

Wow spider can't wait to see this one.


Pete Matos MSG #5, 06-15-2011 11:06 PM
      Nice man, If you are going to do the chop yourself, PLEASE post all the pics you can of the process as I have been seriously thinking about taking a sawzall to my car at some point. The chops just look amazing and while I know it is tons of work I think I am up to it. Good luck on your build and congrats to your wife. My wife and I got FieroThomas Fiero GT black with red lettering matching shirts that we wear too and they are like a little treasure when we go for a ride together in the car. Peace

Pete



skuzzbomer MSG #6, 06-15-2011 11:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Nice man, If you are going to do the chop yourself...

Pete


Of course he is... I still wish I could've bought his silver turbo chop.

F355- are you going to be able to use your glass side windows with this chop? Wouldn't the T-top frame throw off all the proportions of your standard cuts?

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jscott1 MSG #7, 06-15-2011 11:53 PM
      Glad to see you back in the game.

The only tricky part of the t-top chop top is that you need one extra piece of custom glass....either custom windshield or custom t-top glass. Given the rarity of the Fiero t-top it's probably easier to go with the custom windshield. Not difficult but so far no one has wanted to complete the job.

If anyone can do it, I know you can.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #8, 06-15-2011 11:57 PM
      I have to say if anyone can do it and do it RIGHT then Mike is the guy....Not only does it right but makes it look so simple in the process.......Will look forward to seeing the car once it is finished...



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #9, 06-16-2011 09:31 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:


Ah hah !

This must be the texas t-top choptop that a member reported stopping by to see ?

Wow spider can't wait to see this one.


Yea, Kevin spilled the beans. For the most part the car is already chopped. I will catch up on the build as soon as I can. She has a lot for me to do to the car so it will be ongoing for a while. Your car is looking great.

 
quote
Originally posted by Pete Matos:

My wife and I got FieroThomas Fiero GT black with red lettering matching shirts that we wear too and they are like a little treasure when we go for a ride together in the car. Peace

Pete


You got it nothing like matching T-shirt pride.
 
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Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

F355- are you going to be able to use your glass side windows with this chop? Wouldn't the T-top frame throw off all the proportions of your standard cuts?



Yep, I am using my side windows. I could go back with OEM windshield but I wanted to use the 96 Sebring windshield. I will be moving the wipers forward and making a new front tray to hold the bottom of the windshield. This will give her a bubbled windshield that will extend out toward the front giving a more modern look. Will post a few more pictures tonight.



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #10, 06-16-2011 12:57 PM
      Good to see you around, Texas 5.

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #11, 06-16-2011 01:10 PM
      That's gonna be so sweet!

jscott1 MSG #12, 06-16-2011 07:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Yep, I am using my side windows. I could go back with OEM windshield but I wanted to use the 96 Sebring windshield. I will be moving the wipers forward and making a new front tray to hold the bottom of the windshield. This will give her a bubbled windshield that will extend out toward the front giving a more modern look. Will post a few more pictures tonight.


Sounds perfect....that's exactly how I would have expected it to work.

I wish I would have known you when I had my chop t-top...no one wanted to touch it to make glass for it and I ended up selling it. You might see it again some day as last time I knew it was at Loyde's.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #13, 06-16-2011 09:13 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by jscott1:


Sounds perfect....that's exactly how I would have expected it to work.

I wish I would have known you when I had my chop t-top...no one wanted to touch it to make glass for it and I ended up selling it. You might see it again some day as last time I knew it was at Loyde's.


It would have done no good....That car was doomed from the first cut to the last "GORILLA" weld that was put on it....I saw the car when it first made it up this way and the way it looked at that point it was a parts car....I give Will a thumbs up for trying but not pretty.......


jscott1 MSG #14, 06-16-2011 10:07 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:


It would have done no good....That car was doomed from the first cut to the last "GORILLA" weld that was put on it....I saw the car when it first made it up this way and the way it looked at that point it was a parts car....I give Will a thumbs up for trying but not pretty.......


Yeah it was a good effort...butif I ever intend to build a chop t-top I'll ask Mike to do it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #15, 06-16-2011 10:25 PM
      I was not expecting to do a build thread so there are not a lot of the chop.

Gianina took one of me taking out the interior.


A couple after the chop fitting the body back


Sorry but that is all I have for tonight


Marine1981 MSG #16, 06-16-2011 11:06 PM
      I can't wait to see more progress. How could you do this and NOT have a build thread?!?!? lol

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #17, 06-16-2011 11:27 PM
      Good luck with your build, I'm looking forward to seeing you pull this off as no one has pulled a Choptop t-top off yet as far as I know.

ghost187x MSG #18, 06-17-2011 12:04 AM
      wow,
subscribed.


Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #19, 06-17-2011 12:48 AM
     

Jim


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #20, 06-17-2011 01:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by av8fiero:

Good luck with your build, I'm looking forward to seeing you pull this off as no one has pulled a Choptop t-top off yet as far as I know.


Thanks,
I have a few pictures of the T-Tops in and the driver side window test fit. All the welding is done on the top. I have the body cut down in the back. I did not cut any on the T-Top frame it is as it was just a few inches lower.
The Glass shop I got the Sebring windshield from said they will cut my back window for me. I hope to get them a wood template made this weekend. I have to be at work both Saturday and Sunday this weekend so I will not be able to do much. The pictures I post tonight will get the build up to date as it is.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #21, 06-17-2011 01:20 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by jscott1:


Yeah it was a good effort...butif I ever intend to build a chop t-top I'll ask Mike to do it.


Your Chop helped feed Gianina with her addiction, she is still hinting around about your lambo doors. You should see the list she has for me to do.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #22, 06-17-2011 02:09 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Marine1981:

I can't wait to see more progress. How could you do this and NOT have a build thread?!?!? lol


There r reasons....you just havent been around long enough....



jscott1 MSG #23, 06-17-2011 02:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by F355spider:


Your Chop helped feed Gianina with her addiction, she is still hinting around about your lambo doors. You should see the list she has for me to do.


Thanks...

This is looking good. The white coupe is exactly how my chop t-top started life. Unfortunately it never got past the needing a windshield phase. The Sebring windshield and extended cowl should look really nice. I have a spare t-top car begging for this treatment.... Hmmm



katatak MSG #24, 06-17-2011 04:41 PM
      I feel like I know this car - I believe it has my radiator in it! Looking good so far. I really like the Chop Top T Top! All you need now is a power rear window - nearly a roadster!

Pat



MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #25, 06-17-2011 05:03 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

I feel like I know this car - I believe it has my radiator in it! Looking good so far. I really like the Chop Top T Top! All you need now is a power rear window - nearly a roadster!

Pat


It did have right before I sold it. About a week before selling it a pin hole started leaking so had to swap in another one..Buy not complaning as the El Paso crew was a life saver.....have to throw in another thank you for all the help that night....


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #26, 06-17-2011 09:05 PM
      Wait...... you can chop a T-TOP????? I thought that it was impossible to chop a T-TOP.

MORE PICS, MORE PICS.

Rob



BlackThunderGT MSG #27, 06-17-2011 10:25 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by qwikgta:
Wait...... you can chop a T-TOP????? I thought that it was impossible to chop a T-TOP.


Impossible?

Let’s see!

Time + Money + Skills = T/Chop Top

Yep it’s possible


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #28, 06-17-2011 11:29 PM
      This is were we are to date. I put the tops in to show the fit. No seals, I want to order the new ones for a Camaro. One picture shows my window test fit.




Every thing lined up good took me two days to weld it up. I took more measurements than needed but Gianina told me it better be right.


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #29, 06-18-2011 12:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I feel like I know this car - I believe it has my radiator in it! Looking good so far. I really like the Chop Top T Top! All you need now is a power rear window - nearly a roadster!

Pat


Yes! Do a power rear window. Has anyone done this? You have the advantage of having less window to roll down.


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #30, 06-18-2011 12:44 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by dratts:


Yes! Do a power rear window. Has anyone done this? You have the advantage of having less window to roll down.


This car is looking great! I love it!


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #31, 06-18-2011 12:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I feel like I know this car - I believe it has my radiator in it! Looking good so far. I really like the Chop Top T Top! All you need now is a power rear window - nearly a roadster!

Pat


Yes! Do a power rear window. Has anyone done this? You have the advantage of having less window to roll down.


1988holleyformula MSG #32, 06-18-2011 01:39 AM
      I love that it is a NOTCHBACK! Sweet build! I'm a fan of those five-spokes as well.

jscott1 MSG #33, 06-18-2011 03:43 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by dratts:


Yes! Do a power rear window. Has anyone done this? You have the advantage of having less window to roll down.


This sounds better than it really is... on a mid-engine car there would be tons of heat and noise coming in on you making the rear window not so pleasant.


Gokart Mozart MSG #34, 06-18-2011 05:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:


Yes! Do a power rear window. Has anyone done this? You have the advantage of having less window to roll down.


ECM wiring is still in the way and the angle of the firewall is wrong



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #35, 06-18-2011 10:55 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


ECM wiring is still in the way and the angle of the firewall is wrong


Yep a lot of heat at the window.
This has to be the cleanest and WOW engine bay preps I have seen.



dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #36, 06-18-2011 11:17 AM
      I see what you say about the angle. As far as the wiring is concerned, Joe put my wiring in the trunk so that I have a clean firewall in my ls4 Murci roadster. I always hear about heat problems with fiero roadsters, but I have two of them and engine heat has not been a problem. If anyone could do it you could Mike, but it obviously wouldn't be easy and anyway you already have a unique car, being that it's a chop top t-top. Maybe a removable window for the roadster look.

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dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #37, 06-18-2011 11:19 AM
      I see what you say about the angle. As far as the wiring is concerned, Joe put my wiring in the trunk so that I have a clean firewall in my ls4 Murci roadster. I always hear about heat problems with fiero roadsters, but I have two of them and engine heat has not been a problem. If anyone could do it you could Mike, but it obviously wouldn't be easy and anyway you already have a unique car, being that it's a chop top t-top.

Riceburner98 (riceburner98@gmail.com) MSG #38, 06-18-2011 11:42 AM
      A Fiero roadster is probably a different story with heat, with the whole top gone. 13 years ago (yikes!) I drove a notchback around for a couple days after removing the rear window (forget why) and thought it would be a good idea. Even with the sunroof out, the engine heat was cooking my head and I put the window back in. I think the heat just gets sucked back into the car through the open window because of the roof air flow..

Good job on the chop! I like it..

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dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #39, 06-18-2011 12:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Riceburner98:

A Fiero roadster is probably a different story with heat, with the whole top gone. 13 years ago (yikes!) I drove a notchback around for a couple days after removing the rear window (forget why) and thought it would be a good idea. Even with the sunroof out, the engine heat was cooking my head and I put the window back in. I think the heat just gets sucked back into the car through the open window because of the roof air flow..

Good job on the chop! I like it..

Well so much for that idea! It would have been a lot of work anyway.



qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #40, 06-18-2011 10:13 PM
      OK, ,so what am I missing. If you lay the window back, the T-TOP panel has to go back into the rear clip if it stays the same size. If you don't change the size of the top, then did you cut the top like the old school chops and lower the whole thing? I guess im having an issue with how its done, because I have looked at my top, and I can't see how you would do this and have the top line up with the windows.

Rob


katatak MSG #41, 06-18-2011 11:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


It did have right before I sold it. About a week before selling it a pin hole started leaking so had to swap in another one..Buy not complaning as the El Paso crew was a life saver.....have to throw in another thank you for all the help that night....


No thanks required Stephen. Mi Casa Su Casa!

IOP2

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MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #42, 06-19-2011 12:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

Wait...... you can chop a T-TOP????? I thought that it was impossible to chop a T-TOP.

MORE PICS, MORE PICS.

Rob



I have to say with Mike doing the work nothing is impossible....Every project I have seen Mike do has been done extremly fast, the right way and turned out looking better than what I have seen any others do it....He was the first to do an all glass chop and will be the first to do an all glass chop top T-Top...."He" that said it couldnt be done was just to lazy to try and others just followed....Just like glass side windows for chops.....All it took was someone really wanting them to make it happen...Then it went from it can't be done cause if cost to much to everyone getting glass side windows for there chops.......


jscott1 MSG #43, 06-19-2011 01:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

OK, ,so what am I missing. If you lay the window back, the T-TOP panel has to go back into the rear clip if it stays the same size. If you don't change the size of the top, then did you cut the top like the old school chops and lower the whole thing? I guess im having an issue with how its done, because I have looked at my top, and I can't see how you would do this and have the top line up with the windows.

Rob


The difference is that in a "normal" fiero chop top the stock windshield is used only laid back 9 degrees and therefore the roof gets shorter.

In a chop top t-top the roof stays the same size so the windshield has to get shorter...hence Mike is using a custom windshield, (from a Sebring) I believe and he is also moving the cowl forward giving the car a more modern look. It is more work than simply making the roof shorter and that's one reason one hasn't been completed to my knowledge.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #44, 06-19-2011 08:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


The difference is that in a "normal" fiero chop top the stock windshield is used only laid back 9 degrees and therefore the roof gets shorter.

In a chop top t-top the roof stays the same size so the windshield has to get shorter...hence Mike is using a custom windshield, (from a Sebring) I believe and he is also moving the cowl forward giving the car a more modern look. It is more work than simply making the roof shorter and that's one reason one hasn't been completed to my knowledge.

I might have leaded some to believe the windshield is cut down. It is not, I laid it back the same as I always do. I can take more detail pictures but if you look the windshield panel has not been cut or the a pillars. I did have to chop this car different than the others but all of the ones I have done are different in some way.
Gianina and I discussed it (I had to get her approval) and I like the way the Ferrari kits use the extended windshields and the way it transforms the look so I went with the Sebring windshield. She has two styles planned for this car. With either one the windshield will add to it. I can say it will have Celica blacked out angle eye headlights because they have already been ordered. I also want to test fit the production car windows that I think might work in a chop. This is only the beginning. jscott if she uses the Fbody interior I will need your help.
I also want to thank everyone for your interest and compliments.


jscott1 MSG #45, 06-19-2011 01:56 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by F355spider:

I might have leaded some to believe the windshield is cut down. It is not, I laid it back the same as I always do. I can take more detail pictures but if you look the windshield panel has not been cut or the a pillars. I did have to chop this car different than the others but all of the ones I have done are different in some way.
.


If you need my help no problem...

I'm not trying to steal your thunder, I'm sure this car will be unique in the way it's chopped. I'm just explaining the additional challenge of chopping a T-top. After the roof is lowered pure geometry would tell you that you have to lay back the windshield even if you were to cut down a stock one. I don't know if a Sebring windshield is taller or shorter than stock but it's probably different. I would love to see more detailed pictures how you did it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #46, 06-19-2011 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


If you need my help no problem...

I'm not trying to steal your thunder, I'm sure this car will be unique in the way it's chopped. I'm just explaining the additional challenge of chopping a T-top. After the roof is lowered pure geometry would tell you that you have to lay back the windshield even if you were to cut down a stock one. I don't know if a Sebring windshield is taller or shorter than stock but it's probably different. I would love to see more detailed pictures how you did it.

No problem, The Sebring windshield fits the stock frame of the Fiero. It is a little longer and more bubbled that is why I have to move the wipers out. Picked it up from the kit car forum and it has been done there. I could put the Fiero windshield I took out in the opening but it is broken. I am telling you I did not cut down the windshield opening just laid it back like on the other chops. There is no thunder to steal my wife wanted a Chopped T-Top Fiero and she has one.


As you can see the windshield frame is uncut. I hope that helps



qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #47, 06-20-2011 09:30 AM
      So from the pics its hard to tell, but did you have to push the back end of the T-Top panel into the roofline further than stock. It looks like the black plastic "filler" panel is missing. If so, then I can see how this may work, but when the glass is off, don't you have a small portion 3"- 4" of the sail panel extending into the removed area. If so then I finally get it. It works, and may look good when the glass is on, but how does it look with the glass off.

I'd love to see more pics, and some with the glass off.

Thanks agian for this thread. I've always wanted to chop my T-top.


Rob


jscott1 MSG #48, 06-20-2011 11:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

So from the pics its hard to tell, but did you have to push the back end of the T-Top panel into the roofline further than stock. It looks like the black plastic "filler" panel is missing...

Thanks agian for this thread. I've always wanted to chop my T-top.


Rob




From this picture it appears the t-top is sitting in the same location with respect to the B pillars. If it wasn't that would mess up the sealing surface.


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #49, 06-20-2011 05:59 PM
      This is a bad drawing but I think it helps what im saying.



If you change the angle at "B", it moves "A" back. If you move it back more than an inch, it will hang over into the sail panel, and I think, look goofey when the glass is off. I just want to see how the heck he did it. I have been looking at my top for years and I can't figure out how he did it.

Rob


jscott1 MSG #50, 06-20-2011 07:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

This is a bad drawing but I think it helps what im saying.


Rob


I totally get what you are saying, but from the posted pic the t-top looks like the example on top, which is the same as a stock T-top.

I can't speak for Mike, but on my chop top t-top the windshield frames were cut down such that the "A" pillars were shorter. This required a cut down windshield.

I'm not sure exactly how Mike did it.

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fieroguru MSG #51, 06-20-2011 08:05 PM
      My $$$ is that he moved the lower attachment points for the A-pillars forward. With his window selection he was going to have to build a new lower windshield base anyway, so why not move the bottoms of the A-pillars. This would allow the t-top section to remain essentially stock and the needed length change happens at the front. Here is a comparison pic between his lowered t-top and an old stock height parts chassis.




qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #52, 06-20-2011 09:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by jscott1:


I totally get what you are saying, but from the posted pic the t-top looks like the example on top, which is the same as a stock T-top.

I can't speak for Mike, but on my chop top t-top the windshield frames were cut down such that the "A" pillars were shorter. This required a cut down windshield.

I'm not sure exactly how Mike did it.



I agree. Pic's do show that!!!!

Thats what I was thinking too, If the top was chopped old school, it would make sence.

Rob


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #53, 06-21-2011 01:11 PM
      Ok while you guys try to make sense of it. I will give you a hint; I never try to do that. I just look at it and then do it. It is a lot simpler to just do it to me. All the pictures and angles and cad drawings are just not how I do it. I am moving on to the windshield. The new headlights should be in any day so I will be able to start making a new hood and windshield tray. I just hope I get away from work a little this weekend.

skuzzbomer MSG #54, 06-21-2011 01:13 PM
      If you have to come up with a new tray, what kind of solution are you planning for the anti-decapitation pins?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #55, 06-22-2011 08:40 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

If you have to come up with a new tray, what kind of solution are you planning for the anti-decapitation pins?

I put the window in last night for a test fit with my wife. The chop was easier than what this will be. The guys on the kit car forum said it fit the opening. Not the case for me. I can stick my fingers through the gap at the top center and at the bottom of the A pillars. I was trying to talk my wife into just putting a stock windshield in the car. She looked at me and said If not this you would be doing something else so just fix it. This was something she and I always talked about when we had the silver chop and said the next one would have it.
My plan is to move all the hardware forward cut the hood and shorten it and build the curve around the windshield in it then cut out for the headlights. The windshield hits right were the center latch is at. At this point I am not sure I like it. I know when done on the Ferrari kit cars it looks great. I'm not sure about the Fiero it makes the top look short from front to back. It might also be having it at the laid back angle. Time will tell.
That was a very good question.


jscott1 MSG #56, 06-22-2011 05:24 PM
      CAn you give us a glimpse of what it would look like? The peanut gallery can tell you what we think it would look like. It sounds nice in theory.

Boogaloo MSG #57, 06-22-2011 06:29 PM
      So am I to believe it can't be done like the regular chops as Archie had said ?.

skuzzbomer MSG #58, 06-22-2011 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boogaloo:

So am I to believe it can't be done like the regular chops as Archie had said ?.


It can be done (clearly)... but there's not so much room for error. The issue F355 is facing now is the windscreen being from a different car. There's always issues with pioneering - maybe the t-chop plus the alternate windshield would've been best done separately. Either way, he'll figure it out.


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #59, 06-22-2011 06:48 PM
      WAS this a CJB t-top car?

jscott1 MSG #60, 06-22-2011 08:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


It can be done (clearly)... but there's not so much room for error. The issue F355 is facing now is the windscreen being from a different car. There's always issues with pioneering - maybe the t-chop plus the alternate windshield would've been best done separately. Either way, he'll figure it out.


Mike is so talented he doesn't even have to think about what he's doing, so he just does it...

but for the rest of us, I find it almost impossible to believe that the t-top chop top can be done with the stock windshield. The windshield frame on my t-top chop top was about 3 to 4 inches shorter than stock. I just don't see how you could fit a stock windshield and a stock t-top frame on a lowered roof. Something has to give somewhere.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #61, 06-22-2011 10:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


Mike is so talented he doesn't even have to think about what he's doing, so he just does it...

but for the rest of us, I find it almost impossible to believe that the t-top chop top can be done with the stock windshield. The windshield frame on my t-top chop top was about 3 to 4 inches shorter than stock. I just don't see how you could fit a stock windshield and a stock t-top frame on a lowered roof. Something has to give somewhere.

I still have the broken fiero one if you want I will set it in if that will satisfy you. Why do you think I would lie to you? I showed you the pictures the frame is not cut. Back on track, the headlights are in.

Will be at the office this weekend also so not much will get done sad to say.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #62, 06-22-2011 11:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

WAS this a CJB t-top car?


No...car was a sunroof car before someone swapped in the T-Tops..


rcp builders MSG #63, 06-23-2011 02:12 AM
      Great looking start, I love the t-top cars and would love to own one. I hope you don't

let all the drama some feel the need to start, stop you from updating the thread. Ray

P.S (edit) Never mind to late to be thinking that hard.

[This message has been edited by rcp builders (edited 06-23-2011).]

jscott1 MSG #64, 06-23-2011 03:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I still have the broken fiero one if you want I will set it in if that will satisfy you. Why do you think I would lie to you? I showed you the pictures the frame is not cut.


Don't misunderstand me, you did it and I believe you, I just can't put the pieces together in my head. If a stock Fiero windshield would have fit on my t-top chop top I probably would still have it, but there is just no way it would fit.




I just can't figure out how you did it without shortening the windshield frame?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #65, 06-23-2011 08:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


Don't misunderstand me, you did it and I believe you, I just can't put the pieces together in my head. If a stock Fiero windshield would have fit on my t-top chop top I probably would still have it, but there is just no way it would fit.


I just can't figure out how you did it without shortening the windshield frame?


I understand. Your car was chopped a different way than the other chops is all. This one was done the way of the "Normal Chop top Fieros" so it retains the Fiero windshield. We just want to make some extra mods to make it stand out from the others.

 
quote
Originally posted by rcp builders:

Great looking start, I love the t-top cars and would love to own one. I hope you don't

let all the drama some feel the need to start, stop you from updating the thread. Ray

P.S (edit) Never mind to late to be thinking that hard.


Thanks, We love the T-Tops also.

 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

WAS this a CJB t-top car?


No It is a C&C car.


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 06-23-2011 09:26 PM
      Don't get me wrong, im all for this swap too, I can't wait to see more pics.

Keep it up.

Rob


av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #67, 06-23-2011 10:38 PM
      I think fieroguru figured out how you pulled off the chop without cutting down the windshield frame, the base of the windshield looks to be positioned further forward. If that's the case, I'm looking forward to see how you pull off the hood mods that will be required wether you use a stock windshield or the Sebring windshield in your chop. It would be interesting to see a stock windshield layed in there before you mod it for the Sebring glass to see how much of the hood would need to be removed/shortened. I do think the lines will look better with the curved Sebring glass rather than the flatter stock glass, especially if you're going to be changing the nose of the car signifigantly. Watching with interest.

Boogaloo MSG #68, 06-23-2011 10:54 PM
      Ok looking at it I now see how it can be done,if you take out a 3" section all you would have to do is move the A pillar bottom more forward and then use the extended windshield and a new tray like in the 355 rebodies so the windshield can fit.

The hood will have to be shortened to match the tray of the new windshield ...............cool.


ghost187x MSG #69, 06-23-2011 11:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:
Back on track, the headlights are in.



more info on the headlights? can you show us what you have planned for them? thanks and awesome work!


$Rich$ (rich@sio.midco.net) MSG #70, 06-23-2011 11:10 PM
      hey i think them wheels used to be mine
heres a pic on my car years ago, i dont remember who i sold them to, but i tink they went to OK or TX, 5ish years back[






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #71, 06-24-2011 08:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by av8fiero:

I think fieroguru figured out how you pulled off the chop without cutting down the windshield frame, the base of the windshield looks to be positioned further forward. If that's the case, I'm looking forward to see how you pull off the hood mods that will be required wether you use a stock windshield or the Sebring windshield in your chop. It would be interesting to see a stock windshield layed in there before you mod it for the Sebring glass to see how much of the hood would need to be removed/shortened. I do think the lines will look better with the curved Sebring glass rather than the flatter stock glass, especially if you're going to be changing the nose of the car signifigantly. Watching with interest.

That would work I guess but I did not do that.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #72, 06-24-2011 08:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

hey i think them wheels used to be mine
heres a pic on my car years ago, i dont remember who i sold them to, but i tink they went to OK or TX, 5ish years back[


May be, they were on it when I bought the car. They are coming off. It will have 10" wide rims in back when done. They look good I hope they will fit my Chopped Ranger I will use them on it.

[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 06-24-2011).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #73, 06-24-2011 08:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ghost187x:


more info on the headlights? can you show us what you have planned for them? thanks and awesome work!

They are Celica aftermarket lights. Very nice and look great. The front of the car will change its appearance as I go. To be honest I have no clue. I do not make drawings or think about it too much I just go with what I have that day and make it work.


Marine1981 MSG #74, 06-24-2011 08:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

They are Celica aftermarket lights. Very nice and look great. The front of the car will change its appearance as I go. To be honest I have no clue. I do not make drawings or think about it too much I just go with what I have that day and make it work.


That seems to be the way I work too, it just doesn't come out as nice lol


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #75, 06-24-2011 10:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

hey i think them wheels used to be mine
heres a pic on my car years ago, i dont remember who i sold them to, but i tink they went to OK or TX, 5ish years back[





Probally not them...This car came from Cali with the wheels...Unsure where the PO got them from....


Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #76, 06-24-2011 11:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

hey i think them wheels used to be mine
heres a pic on my car years ago, i dont remember who i sold them to, but i tink they went to OK or TX, 5ish years back[





Always one of my favorite cars!!!!



av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #77, 06-24-2011 11:49 AM
      Ok, if you didn't move the windshield forward something else had to move in order to retain the original t-tops. Looking at your pictures I think I figured out what you did. It appears you have changed the angle of the front edge of the b-pillar, angling it more towards the rear, with the top corner further towards the back.

If this is how you did it I'm thinking you're going to need different side glass than what you have previously used as the angles will not be correct on the rear edge of the window. Maybe this is where the mystery factory side glass window you have alluded to in this and other chop threads you were looking to try out in a chop come in.

I'm also curious as to just how much of a chop this car is. Is it the common 3 inch variety, or is it something else?


Will-Martin MSG #78, 06-24-2011 01:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
It would have done no good....That car was doomed from the first cut to the last "GORILLA" weld that was put on it....I saw the car when it first made it up this way and the way it looked at that point it was a parts car....I give Will a thumbs up for trying but not pretty.......


If you look at the welds on the car I did, only 1/2 of them were finished welds. The other "GORILLA" welds were to just hold the top in place to prevent warping so I could move it from my shop in Louisiana, back to Texas. Those were to be cut out, the top aligned, and frame rewelded once I got set back up.

I did not abandon the project because I could not finish it, I sold it to JScott because I was having Archie chop a cherry Formula for me and I figured I would have a pimp Chop-Top much quicker that way. Guess it didn't work out but hey, bad things happen to good people huh?

I just started with a substandard T-Top car with bad seals and bad interior. Trying to source the interior pieces and the seals were going to cost more than I paid for the car to begin with. I sold it because of that, not because I could not fab it.

Mike's car will definately be a show stopper though, everything he touches is greatness - I can't wait to see it.

--Will


Boogaloo MSG #79, 06-24-2011 01:13 PM
      Will did you get your car back from Lloyde?.

[This message has been edited by Boogaloo (edited 06-24-2011).]

Will-Martin MSG #80, 06-24-2011 01:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boogaloo:

Will did you get your car back from Lloyde?.



No, I am having to take him to court because it is always "another 3 months" and he will have my car done. I have a lawyer, he has a lawyer, we will let a judge decide - although I am pretty sure I know what the outcome will be.

--Will


DIY_Stu MSG #81, 06-24-2011 07:23 PM
      I wouldn't knock Gorilla welds one bit as it's amazing what a good grinder can do. I remember that car and the ooohs and aaahs I made when walking around it when I went to see my 88. Will had a solid plan, Just no time if I remember correctly. And sadly my 88 is still not anywhere close to finished. Sorry to hear about your current project and the state it's in. I thought you'd already gone and retrieved it by now.

Hey F355 I thought My T-top chop was going to be the only one? You said you didn't want to do another. Now I gotta hurry up with it's engine to get on the road before you! Grrrrrr!!!!

[This message has been edited by DIY_Stu (edited 06-24-2011).]

jscott1 MSG #82, 06-24-2011 08:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

I wouldn't knock Gorilla welds one bit as it's amazing what a good grinder can do. I remember that car and the ooohs and aaahs I made when walking around it when I went to see my 88. Will had a solid plan, Just no time if I remember correctly.



I thought the "Gorilla" welds were fine. I sold the car because I spent three times what I intended to spend on my first chop top and no time or money to complete the chop t-top. Given where the car is right now the chances of it ever being completed are slim, but I think it would be a unique and very nice looking car.

Mike pulled off some kind of miracle in chopping his t-top and retaining the stock windshield. I still can't figure out how he did it and I'm very interested to see more pictures and follow its progress.



joshua riedl MSG #83, 06-24-2011 10:25 PM
      If the windshield wasn't moved forward it seems the only logical solution would be to remove a little material before and after the t-tops. Maybe 1/2''or 5/8'' on each side would probably be managable. Anyway, It's looking great Mike. I'm more curious about the v8 install.

DIY_Stu MSG #84, 06-25-2011 01:46 AM
      That's what I believe and I know better than to ask how it was done... Looking at his chopped Ford Ranger with FACTORY GLASS WINDOWS shows this man knows his stuff.
A little here and a little there goes much further than a lot there and none here...



Kilofox13 (kerry.fruhauf@us.af.mil) MSG #85, 06-25-2011 03:48 AM
      Mike! Glad to see you're back in the game! The Silver Chop is sitting at Whodeanies shop right now, awaiting the 6 speed install, and a few other goodies while I'm deployed in Africa. I'll be watching this thread! ...subscribed.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #86, 06-25-2011 09:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

Hey F355 I thought My T-top chop was going to be the only one? You said you didn't want to do another. Now I gotta hurry up with it's engine to get on the road before you! Grrrrrr!!!!


You know me I will tell you anything to get what I want. LOL so when you gonna have me some Stu's dews ready?

 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


I thought the "Gorilla" welds were fine.
Mike pulled off some kind of miracle in chopping his t-top and retaining the stock windshield. I still can't figure out how he did it and I'm very interested to see more pictures and follow its progress.

I do not know about Gorilla welds but Gorilla Glue is great stuff. No Miracle I’m just good at photo shop. It is a hard top with T-tops pasted to it. OK so you all know how I did it now. Weew I feel better.

 
quote
Originally posted by joshua riedl:

If the windshield wasn't moved forward it seems the only logical solution would be to remove a little material before and after the t-tops. Maybe 1/2''or 5/8'' on each side would probably be managable. Anyway, It's looking great Mike. I'm more curious about the v8 install.


Been a long time, nice to see ya here. I’m hoping to get Dean to get those LS4 mounts and axels made for me so I will know it will fit the first time look great and save me a lot of time.

 
quote
Originally posted by Kilofox13:

Mike! Glad to see you're back in the game! The Silver Chop is sitting at Whodeanies shop right now, awaiting the 6 speed install, and a few other goodies while I'm deployed in Africa. I'll be watching this thread! ...subscribed.


Be safe and your car is in good hands. It will be a lot of fun with the six speed. Dean will hook ya up.




av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #87, 06-25-2011 05:18 PM
      So did I figure out how you did it as stated in my last post or not? If so, do you mind telling how many inches you chopped. Also, if this is how you are doing it, I am curious how the sail panel lines will turn out.

Let us know, Thanks


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #88, 06-25-2011 06:05 PM
      Wow those lights look awesome.

Can't wait to see them incorporated into everything. Looking good !


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #89, 06-26-2011 08:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Wow those lights look awesome.

Can't wait to see them incorporated into everything. Looking good !


Thanks, I will be ordering her wheels next week I hope they work. The backs are 17X10 the fronts are 17x9. They are XXR 536. I wanted 18 rears and 17 fronts but it is so hard to find what you want unless you pay mucho. So it will be 17 rears and 17 fronts.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #90, 06-26-2011 10:34 PM
      I finally got to try the 1992 Toyota Celica side window. Good news and bad. It will fit a chop but you would have to gut the door and make a new window track. I will just use my windows.

If some one wants to make it work go for it but it will be a lot of work.
Here are a couple of pictures of the Sebring windshield sitting in the hole. I hope to get to work on the tray this week. I still need to make a template for the back window.




MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #91, 06-26-2011 10:38 PM
      Looking Good...Be sure to keep that custom blue interior....It will really set the car off.....If you plan on selling the wheels on it now let me know and I might take them off ur hands when you are ready....



qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #92, 06-27-2011 12:30 PM
      Blurry photos to hide the secrets. Come on, get us some good quality JPGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #93, 06-27-2011 02:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by qwikgta:

Blurry photos to hide the secrets. Come on, get us some good quality JPGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob


Nothing to hide....it cant be done as that one guy has said.....plain and simple.....and if it can be why would Mike wanna give out the secert on how? I mean look thru old Threads where everyone gave him grief and sided with the "Ol Great One"......once again Mike will be leading the way with being the one and only chopped T-Top.....just like he was the first to go all glass on his chops and others finally followed.....


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #94, 06-27-2011 03:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:
Thanks, I will be ordering her wheels next week I hope they work. The backs are 17X10 the fronts are 17x9. They are XXR 536. I wanted 18 rears and 17 fronts but it is so hard to find what you want unless you pay mucho. So it will be 17 rears and 17 fronts.


great job on the car...

are the XXR 536 new cause i can't find them or are they the 526?
i'm leaning towards either XXR 522 or XXR 962

thanks...


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #95, 06-27-2011 06:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Looking Good...Be sure to keep that custom blue interior....It will really set the car off.....If you plan on selling the wheels on it now let me know and I might take them off ur hands when you are ready....


Nope that custom blue interior will not be going back in the car. I still can not believe how gross it was. We are leaning towards black and dark red leather like the CTS-V.

 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:


great job on the car...

are the XXR 536 new cause i can't find them or are they the 526?
i'm leaning towards either XXR 522 or XXR 962

thanks...

Typo the 526. I just wish the 17x10 was 18x10 for the back. For the price the XXRs look like a good deal. What size are you getting?



jscott1 MSG #96, 06-27-2011 11:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

Hey F355 I thought My T-top chop was going to be the only one? You said you didn't want to do another. Now I gotta hurry up with it's engine to get on the road before you! Grrrrrr!!!!



Are you saying you have a T-top Chop in the works!!?? I am insanely envious and want one too.

[This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 06-27-2011).]

DIY_Stu MSG #97, 06-28-2011 06:45 PM
      F355 Chopped my car. I've just lacked the time, Money, and desire to finish it. Plus the 87GT is taking a lot of work keeping it on the road.

Kilofox13 (kerry.fruhauf@us.af.mil) MSG #98, 06-29-2011 01:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

F355 Chopped my car. I've just lacked the time, Money, and desire to finish it. Plus the 87GT is taking a lot of work keeping it on the road.


He chopped mine, too!


DIY_Stu MSG #99, 06-29-2011 08:48 PM
      you know that extra head room to the left of your head while you're driving it.... You 're welcome!

fierodustin (d80cbr97@yahoo.com) MSG #100, 06-29-2011 09:28 PM
      did you get any extra side windows that you would sell?

Thanks,
Dustin


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #101, 06-30-2011 09:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierodustin:

did you get any extra side windows that you would sell?

Thanks,
Dustin


If you are asking me I do not have any spares.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #102, 06-30-2011 09:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierodustin:

did you get any extra side windows that you would sell?

Thanks,
Dustin


PM JScott....I am sure he bought a set from Mike...They will never fit into his chop as that has been "proven"....

[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 06-30-2011).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #103, 07-01-2011 08:03 AM
      I ordered the wheels. We decided not to get the XXRs and went with a wheel we could get in 18X10 rear and 17X8.5 front. I hope to get them in next week. The plan is to bring the body out to fit the wheels and tires. Just not sure what size tires will look good and still ride good.
I will be working on the hood this weekend and the tray for the windshield if all goes well.


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #104, 07-01-2011 08:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I ordered the wheels. We decided not to get the XXRs and went with a wheel we could get in 18X10 rear and 17X8.5 front. I hope to get them in next week. The plan is to bring the body out to fit the wheels and tires. Just not sure what size tires will look good and still ride good.
I will be working on the hood this weekend and the tray for the windshield if all goes well.


Nice... That what I'm thinking 17/18 combo but not that wide. Can't wait to see it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #105, 07-01-2011 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:


Nice... That what I'm thinking 17/18 combo but not that wide. Can't wait to see it.

Si,
Me too


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #106, 07-01-2011 10:55 PM
      mike,
where are you getting wheels from?
i'm sure your getting a good deal, help a Fiero brother out. lol...

thanks...


jscott1 MSG #107, 07-02-2011 02:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


PM JScott....I am sure he bought a set from Mike...They will never fit into his chop as that has been "proven"....



I'm saving my "Mike" windows for my t-top chop that I hope to have some day.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #108, 07-02-2011 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:

mike,
where are you getting wheels from?
i'm sure your getting a good deal, help a Fiero brother out. lol...

thanks...

From VEX but bummed, they sent an email. Said it would be the end of August before they get them in. If I find them somewhere else I will cancel the order with them.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #109, 07-02-2011 10:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


I'm saving my "Mike" windows for my t-top chop that I hope to have some day.

Gotta say this car has been a challenge. Not for the weak at heart. The extended windshield is a lot of work also. I would not recommend attempting it without mucho body skills. Worked on it all day today and I'm worn out.


jscott1 MSG #110, 07-02-2011 10:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Gotta say this car has been a challenge. Not for the weak at heart. The extended windshield is a lot of work also. I would not recommend attempting it without mucho body skills. Worked on it all day today and I'm worn out.


Totally agree. When I get the time and money I will commission my t-top chop top from someone that has the mucho body skillz to pull it off.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #111, 07-03-2011 08:31 AM
      I did get a couple of pictures from yesterday I have a base, will fill the gaps with foam and fiberglass over. That is the plan anyway.


Yes the blue carpet will be gone. This was a very clean car one of the better cars I have had but man what some people like to do. Stephen was right on when he described its condition. I think I am on the right track Gianina walked out last night and said WOW.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #112, 07-03-2011 11:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:




.


Good to see you are putting safety first and wearing your hard hat while working on the car.......Never know what can happen these days....



av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #113, 07-04-2011 10:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by av8fiero:

Ok, if you didn't move the windshield forward something else had to move in order to retain the original t-tops. Looking at your pictures I think I figured out what you did. It appears you have changed the angle of the front edge of the b-pillar, angling it more towards the rear, with the top corner further towards the back.

If this is how you did it I'm thinking you're going to need different side glass than what you have previously used as the angles will not be correct on the rear edge of the window. Maybe this is where the mystery factory side glass window you have alluded to in this and other chop threads you were looking to try out in a chop come in.

I'm also curious as to just how much of a chop this car is. Is it the common 3 inch variety, or is it something else?



So from your lack of response to my questions I'm guessing I figured out how you did it and you're simply ignoring me. That's fine I guess. If that's not how you did it the mystery continues. Sooner or later we'll find out how it was done.

If that is how you did it will you have enough adjustment in the glass to make your windows line up with that angle change at the rear edge? I'm probably wrong but I think you're going to have a hard time with the rear edge getting it to seal. If you also played with the amount of chop and/or the angle of the chop[roof height from front to rear], I'm guessing you may be able to get them to fit. We'll all see eventually I guess.

I'm looking forward to how the Sebring windshield turns out in your chop, This is something I was/am considering for my car as well, I'm just not sure about how it will blend in with the Fiero hoodline

Looks great so far.

edit to add

 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Nothing to hide....it cant be done as that one guy has said.....plain and simple.....and if it can be why would Mike wanna give out the secert on how? I mean look thru old Threads where everyone gave him grief and sided with the "Ol Great One"......once again Mike will be leading the way with being the one and only chopped T-Top.....just like he was the first to go all glass on his chops and others finally followed.....



Let it die man, you're the only one beating the beehive. And for what? Barking and growling doesn't serve much purpose, unless you're looking to get your friend's thread trashed. If there's one thing I've learned since being on here it's that arguing on the internet [I'm guilty of it myself in some of Mike's threads and elsewhere on this forum in the past] is pointless and futile.

I really don't care about all the soap opera stuff in what should be a great informative thread. It just gets so....TIRING!!


Mike if you don't want to say how you did it that's fine, let us all speculate about it, but keep the pics comming. I'd love to see the different ways of doing things without all the garbage

[This message has been edited by av8fiero (edited 07-04-2011).]

Boogaloo MSG #114, 07-04-2011 01:09 PM
      If he don't feel like answering at this time how it is done that is his business and you should not be mad,either you wait and see or just shut up and do it on your own.People here have a life and not sitting at the keyboard to answer your questions every time you ask a question get a life.

[This message has been edited by Boogaloo (edited 07-04-2011).]

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #115, 07-04-2011 03:12 PM
      lol whatever boogadude. I'm in no way mad or irritated or whatever. Read my post completely before you spew so you know what you're talking about. I asked some questions a week ago and haven't really been on here much so I don't think I've been a pest, I'm just curious how he will pull off what many have said can't be done. I'm intitled to ask questions, this is afterall a forum isn't it? If he doesn't want to answer that's fine.

I'm looking forward to progress on your project Mike, even if we have been on opposite sides of an argument in the past


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #116, 07-05-2011 08:47 PM
      all foamed up


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #117, 07-05-2011 11:07 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by av8fiero:
Let it die man, you're the only one beating the beehive. And for what? Barking and growling doesn't serve much purpose, unless you're looking to get your friend's thread trashed. If there's one thing I've learned since being on here it's that arguing on the internet [I'm guilty of it myself in some of Mike's threads and elsewhere on this forum in the past] is pointless and futile.

I really don't care about all the soap opera stuff in what should be a great informative thread. It just gets so....TIRING!!


Mike if you don't want to say how you did it that's fine, let us all speculate about it, but keep the pics comming. I'd love to see the different ways of doing things without all the garbage



Let what die....I am just stating facts....Mike is slammed by certain others in past Threads and now he is doing something that "Can't be Done" and some of those same people are all wanting answers on "How To"..The man is doing something that has never been done(AGAIN) and is said to be "Not Do-able" by that 'Other Guy" and all of a sudden it's "Hey Buddy"..........Being I know Mike pretty good and have for many years....I am going to say he is not going to tell how he did the work being if you wanna know figure it out yourself like he did for himself.....Just like he went out on his own to get glass windows for his chops and was the first with "All Glass ChopTops" then of course "Others" followed........If you wanna know how ask the "King Of ChopTops"...you know the guy that has done so many compared to little Ol' Mike.....

And if you don't wanna argue then don't reply.......


av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #118, 07-05-2011 11:41 PM
      LOL! I'm pretty sure my guess as to how he did it is fairly close, congrats to Mike on figuring it out. If not the mystery continues. I look forward to seeing how he pulls off the side glass as that will be the most difficult thing left to figure out.

If you haven't thought of it already, in order to make your glass windows fit your new style t-top chop easier it may be possible to mess with the size and angle of the near vertical part of the a-pillar at the base[the part that is covered by that bolt on plastic triangle piece on a stock fiero]. Doing so may make it possible to adjust your glass to seal on that rear edge.

The sebring glass is of the most interest to me as I'm not a t-top fan and I won't be building another chop anyway. If it's not a secret, how or what are you doing to regain the cowl air inlets for the ventilation system? From what I can see in your pics it doesn't appear that you have that worked out yet. If you don't want to reveal your solution for that I'm sure I can find out what others have done as you're not the first to use that windshield in a fiero.

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Boogaloo MSG #119, 07-06-2011 12:35 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by av8fiero:

LOL! I'm pretty sure my guess as to how he did it is fairly close, congrats to Mike on figuring it out. If not the mystery continues. I look forward to seeing how he pulls off the side glass as that will be the most difficult thing left to figure out.

If you haven't thought of it already, in order to make your glass windows fit your new style t-top chop easier it may be possible to mess with the size and angle of the near vertical part of the a-pillar at the base[the part that is covered by that bolt on plastic triangle piece on a stock fiero]. Doing so may make it possible to adjust your glass to seal on that rear edge.

The sebring glass is of the most interest to me as I'm not a t-top fan and I won't be building another chop anyway. If it's not a secret, how or what are you doing to regain the cowl air inlets for the ventilation system? From what I can see in your pics it doesn't appear that you have that worked out yet. If you don't want to reveal your solution for that I'm sure I can find out what others have done as you're not the first to use that windshield in a fiero.



av"O"fiero.................... please just shut up and stop guessing what he is going to do ,why not do yours and write about it . You are becoming like stale bread or better still like a mosquito buzzing around you will be smarter and could learn something if you just SHUT UP and see what he is doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbFssu7hd2g

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KVCFIERO MSG #120, 07-06-2011 01:53 PM
      My only question is why this thread in not in the construction zone?

dobey MSG #121, 07-06-2011 02:01 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

My only question is why this thread in not in the construction zone?


It's not really a build thread, and isn't intended to have any real detail about how the work gets done?


rcp builders MSG #122, 07-06-2011 03:26 PM
      Seams like a descent build thread to me and offers up as much " HOW TO" as others that are in the construction zone.

Looking good, keep it up. Ray


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #123, 07-06-2011 09:37 PM
      Thanks, Guys. I spliced the hood today and took four inches out of it. I also put some glass over the foam on the new shelf.





Next I have to put the latch, pins and wipers back. Then I will start on the headlights.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #124, 07-06-2011 11:08 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by dobey:


It's not really a build thread, and isn't intended to have any real detail about how the work gets done?


I am gonna say the info will be limited....I know if I did something that could not be done I wouldn't share how I did it......Like breeding a chicken that lays gold eggs....I am not going to tell you what 2 chickens I used......

Also I really don't think many could pull this off besides Mike...The only other person that comes to mind is FieroGuru......I mean it hasnt been done yet and how long has the "KING" been chopping Fieros?


Terry_w (terry_wolfgang@hotmail.com) MSG #125, 07-06-2011 11:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by av8fiero:
If you don't want to reveal your solution for that I'm sure I can find out what others have done as you're not the first to use that windshield in a fiero.

You're post sounds like you think you are telling Mike (and thread readers) something new. Mike stated in this thread that he got this from the kit car people .



av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #126, 07-06-2011 11:57 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Terry_w:

You're post sounds like you think you are telling Mike (and thread readers) something new. Mike stated in this thread that he got this from the kit car people .


I'm not telling Mike or anyone else anything new, what you referenced from my post was a question about where he would be picking up air for the ventilation system that now appears to have the cowl inlets blocked off. I also said if Mike doesn't want to reveal how he's going to regain his air inlet I could find out from other's who have used that sebring style windshield on a fiero chassis[the kit car people].......

......I'm curious how that windshield will blend into the rear edge of your now shortened hood. I know that windshield has been used on rebodied[kit car] fieros, but I don't think anyone has tried it with a near stock bodied fiero. I'm wondering if it will be necessary to reshape the rear hood edge to match the new curve on the windshield. It will be interesting to see what you come up with.


DIY_Stu MSG #127, 07-07-2011 12:22 AM
      (grapeape style) OOh OOOH OOOH .... I know how he did it!!!! He has a pair!

You do realize when the author gets bored he finds something to do right???
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skuzzbomer MSG #128, 07-07-2011 12:40 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by F355spider:

Next I have to put the latch, pins and wipers back. Then I will start on the headlights.


Are you going to reuse the headache pins with a new "bulkhead" ?

Since you are retaining most of the stock hood structure, you could just relocate them forward... it seems like you've left the strike points intact.

Looking good so far


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #129, 07-07-2011 09:09 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


Are you going to reuse the headache pins with a new "bulkhead" ?

Since you are retaining most of the stock hood structure, you could just relocate them forward... it seems like you've left the strike points intact.

Looking good so far

That is the plan. good eye.


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #130, 07-07-2011 09:36 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

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Your going to make av8fiero's head explode trying to figure that one out.


dobey MSG #131, 07-07-2011 09:41 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:
I am gonna say the info will be limited....I know if I did something that could not be done I wouldn't share how I did it......Like breeding a chicken that lays gold eggs....I am not going to tell you what 2 chickens I used......

Also I really don't think many could pull this off besides Mike...The only other person that comes to mind is FieroGuru......I mean it hasnt been done yet and how long has the "KING" been chopping Fieros?


Right. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that the amount of technical info, at least so far, seems somewhat limited, compared to other threads in TCZ. But given his post of "I wasn't expecting to do a build thread" and not providing all the info, I was just commenting on why it's not in TCZ yet. Also, probably nobody has asked Cliff to move it there; though sometimes it does take a while for him to move requested threads.


av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #132, 07-07-2011 12:26 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by jmbishop:


Your going to make av8fiero's head explode trying to figure that one out.



You know I think you're right! How did he turn a Fiero into a chopped pickup! The mods required to pull it off must have been staggering lol.

Seriously though if Mike has a problem with me asking questions just say so. I've never questioned his ability to pull off ANY chop. I find it interesting the differences in the all the chops out there, and some things work better in one style of chop vs. others.

Great progress on the chop, the sebring windshield mods are of the most interest to me as I may go in a similar direction on my homebrew chop.

Mike you have a pm



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #133, 07-07-2011 12:30 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:
Also I really don't think many could pull this off besides Mike...The only other person that comes to mind is FieroGuru......I mean it hasnt been done yet and how long has the "KING" been chopping Fieros?


 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
I have to say with Mike doing the work nothing is impossible....Every project I have seen Mike do has been done extremly fast, the right way and turned out looking better than what I have seen any others do it....He was the first to do an all glass chop and will be the first to do an all glass chop top T-Top...."He" that said it couldnt be done was just to lazy to try and others just followed....Just like glass side windows for chops.....All it took was someone really wanting them to make it happen...Then it went from it can't be done cause if cost to much to everyone getting glass side windows for there chops.......


Actually, I wish you would find a way to tell the truth.....I never said it couldn't be done, I just said I wasn't going to do it, this is what I said in Oct. 2003. If you can quote where I said it couldn't be done, please post a link right here......
 
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Originally posted by Archie:

I'm sorry, there is just no way I'm going to chop a "T" top car.

I would hope that this post can explain exactly why I'm not going to screw-up a Rare "T" top car.

Check this out......



When we chop the top we lower the windshield by 9 degrees. SEE "A"

That shifts the whole roof back about 1-1/2 inches. SEE "B"

That will change the angle and hurt the seal in the area where the roof panels meet the windshield. SEE "E"

As the roof shifts towards the rear of the car the trailing edge of the "T" top panels also moves back toward the rear. SEE "C"

As a result that will screw-up the seals and several other things at Fiero B pillar. SEE "D"

If you've ever removed the headliner from a "T" top car and looked at the "T" top structure from underneath (in the area "E" from the inside) You'll find that it extends almost all the way to the rear window. We do a lot of cutting and welding in this area and (SEE "E") and if we try that with a "T" top car, I'm afraid we'll ruin the "T" top car.

I hope that explains it.
Archie


 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:
PM JScott....I am sure he bought a set from Mike...They will never fit into his chop as that has been "proven"....


Correct, it has been proven in this thread in the trashcan http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum8/HTML/000111.html
It wouldn't be in the trashcan if you guys could have stuck to the facts instead of the Hate.

 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
Let what die....I am just stating facts....Mike is slammed by certain others in past Threads and now he is doing something that "Can't be Done" and some of those same people are all wanting answers on "How To"..The man is doing something that has never been done(AGAIN) and is said to be "Not Do-able" by that 'Other Guy" and all of a sudden it's "Hey Buddy"..........Being I know Mike pretty good and have for many years....I am going to say he is not going to tell how he did the work being if you wanna know figure it out yourself like he did for himself.....Just like he went out on his own to get glass windows for his chops and was the first with "All Glass ChopTops" then of course "Others" followed........If you wanna know how ask the "King Of ChopTops"...you know the guy that has done so many compared to little Ol' Mike.....
.......


Thank You, I guess I am "King Of ChopTops", you boys have a long way to go to catch up.

 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

My only question is why this thread in not in the construction zone?


In addition to opinions expressed by a few others, I'll tell you why no threads by F355spider are in the Construction Zone. I seems that certain people use any thread by Mike as a chance to use it as an insult & lie Zone.

Cliff's past actions indicate he won't put a thread in the Construction Zone if it's filled with Hate & that he'll move them out of the CZ if they go bad.

They take what could eventually turn into a good Construction Zone thread & use it to throw insults & jabs at me. You'll find more of Mike's threads in the Trachcan then you will in the Construction Zone.

If you'll search out the threads by or about Mike & his Chop Tops & read thru them, you'll find that ( just like this thread) I never entered into those threads until the insults, lies & jabs started flying. Someday those guys will finally figure out that when Mike's buddies stop ruining his threads, he might actually get a thread in the Construction Zone. Until then his threads will likely die in the Archives or Trashcan.

If they want to keep putting out the Hate, I'll keep correcting them with the truth.

Archie

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #134, 07-07-2011 01:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by av8fiero:
You know I think you're right! How did he turn a Fiero into a chopped pickup! The mods required to pull it off must have been staggering lol.

Seriously though if Mike has a problem with me asking questions just say so. I've never questioned his ability to pull off ANY chop. I find it interesting the differences in the all the chops out there, and some things work better in one style of chop vs. others.

Great progress on the chop, the sebring windshield mods are of the most interest to me as I may go in a similar direction on my homebrew chop.

Mike you have a pm

I am a big believer in free speech, ask what you wish but don’t hold out the other hand it might fill up first. Most of all if it does it will wash off so don’t get angry.


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #135, 07-07-2011 10:02 PM
      I could care less for all this "ooo look what I can do and no one else can crap". Im not going to chop my T-Top, I just asked for some freaking good photos so I can see it. The crap photos and cropped photos that continue to get posted here are not doing anything for the "My wifes 88 T-Top Chop LS4 build". Why create a thread, invite us all to watch in wonder and then refuse to post photos and data on what is being done. Either post the data/pics or don't, but why continue to "tease" us with the crappy photos and "i have a secret" text.

Dobey, let me know if this thread ever becomes something to view, i'll be passing on it from now on. Don't have time for "I have a secret", I deal with that 5th grade crap at work all day long.

Rob


rcp builders MSG #136, 07-07-2011 10:18 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by qwikgta:

I could care less for all this "ooo look what I can do and no one else can crap". Im not going to chop my T-Top, I just asked for some freaking good photos so I can see it. The crap photos and cropped photos that continue to get posted here are not doing anything for the "My wifes 88 T-Top Chop LS4 build". Why create a thread, invite us all to watch in wonder and then refuse to post photos and data on what is being done. Either post the data/pics or don't, but why continue to "tease" us with the crappy photos and "i have a secret" text.

Dobey, let me know if this thread ever becomes something to view, i'll be passing on it from now on. Don't have time for "I have a secret", I deal with that 5th grade crap at work all day long.

Rob


LOL, but you had time to rant like a fifth grader who just got bullied on the play ground.

Why does he ave to explain , just sit back enjoy some pics and relax!!! Ray


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #137, 07-07-2011 10:43 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Archie:


In addition to opinions expressed by a few others, I'll tell you why no threads by F355spider are in the Construction Zone. I seems that certain people use any thread by Mike as a chance to use it as an insult & lie Zone.

Cliff's past actions indicate he won't put a thread in the Construction Zone if it's filled with Hate & that he'll move them out of the CZ if they go bad.

They take what could eventually turn into a good Construction Zone thread & use it to throw insults & jabs at me. You'll find more of Mike's threads in the Trachcan then you will in the Construction Zone.

If you'll search out the threads by or about Mike & his Chop Tops & read thru them, you'll find that ( just like this thread) I never entered into those threads until the insults, lies & jabs started flying. Someday those guys will finally figure out that when Mike's buddies stop ruining his threads, he might actually get a thread in the Construction Zone. Until then his threads will likely die in the Archives or Trashcan.

If they want to keep putting out the Hate, I'll keep correcting them with the truth.

Archie



Everything always has to be about you!!!!!!!



MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #138, 07-07-2011 10:45 PM
      Still don't think it is going to work.......You screwed....That was a rare T-Top car you hacked up.......Way to go.......

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #139, 07-07-2011 11:29 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:


Everything always has to be about you!!!!!!!


God you're stupid, you're the one who made it about me.

You really don't have any content to add, every other post you've made has been about me.

You need a hobby.

Archie


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #140, 07-08-2011 08:35 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Archie:


God you're stupid, you're the one who made it about me.

You really don't have any content to add, every other post you've made has been about me.

You need a hobby.

Archie

Archie start your own thread and talk your trash there. This is a build thread for my wife’s car and I do not need you and your friends here trying to trash it like you have all my other threads. Be a man and walk away or start a lets bash F355spider or Mustangbeware thread or something just stay out of my wife's build thread. You are not welcome here with you calling people stupid.
Michael


1988holleyformula MSG #141, 07-08-2011 09:56 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Also I really don't think many could pull this off besides Mike...The only other person that comes to mind is FieroGuru......I mean it hasnt been done yet and how long has the "KING" been chopping Fieros?


 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
...."He" that said it couldnt be done was just to lazy to try and others just followed....



 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:
Nothing to hide....it cant be done as that one guy has said.....plain and simple.....and if it can be why would Mike wanna give out the secert on how? I mean look thru old Threads where everyone gave him grief and sided with the "Ol Great One"......once again Mike will be leading the way with being the one and only chopped T-Top.....just like he was the first to go all glass on his chops and others finally followed.....




 
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Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Everything always has to be about you!!!!!!!



 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Archie start your own thread and talk your trash there. This is a build thread for my wife’s car and I do not need you and your friends here trying to trash it like you have all my other threads. Be a man and walk away or start a lets bash F355spider or Mustangbeware thread or something just stay out of my wife's build thread. You are not welcome here with you calling people stupid.
Michael


Sorry Mike, but if someone's gonna call me lazy and throw out snide comments about me, in a PUBLIC forum I'm gonna stick up for myself. He's got a business to run, and there are new members on here that may have never heard about Archie before, and if all they see are negative comments about him in this thread, that could hurt his business.

I'm sorry for throwing my un-needed comments in your 'build' thread, I hope it can turn around here and just stick to the build without any side dialog about the past.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #142, 07-08-2011 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Archie start your own thread and talk your trash there. This is a build thread for my wife’s car and I do not need you and your friends here trying to trash it like you have all my other threads. Be a man and walk away or start a lets bash F355spider or Mustangbeware thread or something just stay out of my wife's build thread. You are not welcome here with you calling people stupid.
Michael


I'll be more than happy to not be involved in your "build thread".

In fact, I was quite content to stay out of it for the first 3-1/2 pages but your buddy kept trying to drag me into it with lies & mis-statements.

If you look at your other threads, you'll see that I wasn't involved until the incorrect statements started coming out.

Truely, it's your friends that are ruining your threads not me. Maybe you should have a talk with them.

BTW, calling your buddy stupid was a statement of fact & not name calling.

Archie



dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #143, 07-08-2011 11:11 AM
      I'm a fan of Mike, but I've got to admit, this is more fun than the Casey Anthony trial. Can't wait to see what gets posted next, and not just the technical stuff.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #144, 07-08-2011 05:06 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


Sorry Mike, but if someone's gonna call me lazy and throw out snide comments about me, in a PUBLIC forum I'm gonna stick up for myself. He's got a business to run, and there are new members on here that may have never heard about Archie before, and if all they see are negative comments about him in this thread, that could hurt his business.

I'm sorry for throwing my un-needed comments in your 'build' thread, I hope it can turn around here and just stick to the build without any side dialog about the past.

This thread does not hurt his business he does a great job of that on his own with his diagrams, pictures, trashing other people that challenge him or tells others they think him selling rusty angle iron for motor mounts is not professional and the many times he takes the bait and Stephen sets the hook. Then he calls other people stupid!
That is what makes Archie look bad. O the best part, he keeps coming back for more year after year.

 
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Originally posted by dratts:

I'm a fan of Mike, but I've got to admit, this is more fun than the Casey Anthony trial. Can't wait to see what gets posted next, and not just the technical stuff.

Yea the best of both worlds, I agree. Drama and a build thread who would have thought?


Boogaloo MSG #145, 07-08-2011 06:09 PM
      Mike why not just do your build and stop getting into mudslinging with Archie, you stooping to throw accusation will only ruin this thread......just stick to the build.

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #146, 07-08-2011 08:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


God you're stupid, you're the one who made it about me.

You really don't have any content to add, every other post you've made has been about me.

You need a hobby.

Archie



Well being that I am smarter than you....What does that make you......Wait I know.....But will not stoop to name calling.....

The funny thing is I never even mentioned your name...YOU just ASSume I am talking about you.....There are over 15K members on this Forum, could be talking about any one of them...You just like to ASSume.......

And I added alot of content to this Thread...Hell I sold him the car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Edit For: Hook, line and sinker......Almost got this one landed......

Okay back to the build Thread.....We can finish this in the Thread that will be started about trashing Mike and myself.>Should I start it or the opposing team?

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jetsnvettes2000 MSG #147, 07-08-2011 10:38 PM
      "Be a part of the soulution not the problem" a quote I heard from my highschool shop teacher, and is still as good today as was way back then. I am verry intrested in seeing this car gettin done can we get back to it guys?
I have had in the back of my mind for a long time of tryin to chop a t top I am curious as everyone else how your doing it so ill sit back and watch w open eyes seein how your coming along! any chop is a good chop no matter who does it, the chop itself isnt the cool part. The cool part is the dedication the hard work and the vision to see somthing in the minds eye come to reality and at the end of the work the reward of knowing you did it.
Honestly who cares about method and style, we each have our own. What makes a custom car builder a custom car builder is the diversity between us, if they were all done the same way we all would just be factory workers on a line of sorts. now come on lets get to it!! I crave more progress of this cool little project for your lady!


DIY_Stu MSG #148, 07-08-2011 11:26 PM
      Stangs give him 2 years.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #149, 07-09-2011 08:47 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Boogaloo:

Mike why not just do your build and stop getting into mudslinging with Archie, you stooping to throw accusation will only ruin this thread......just stick to the build.

I agree that is why I ask him to be a man and walk away in the post above. No accusations went his way only the truth. He attacked me in a thread a few weeks ago. I stayed out of it and let it go but if he is going to come to my wife's build thread calling people stupid and spreading his lies he will get both barrels.


SMTHGT MSG #150, 07-09-2011 09:21 AM
      Wow...... I can not believe that Archie still chasing bait.....
For the last 11 yeare that I know of....
How many times did you take MY bait back then... Still can't resist can you...???

Back to lurking

PS. Great thread ....



SMTHGT MSG #151, 07-09-2011 09:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SMTHGT:

Wow...... I can not believe that Archie still chasing bait.....
For the last 11 yeare that I know of....
How many times did you take MY bait back then... Still can't resist can you...???

Back to lurking

PS. Great thread ....


Hey thats just more bait ....



SMTHGT MSG #152, 07-09-2011 09:25 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by SMTHGT:

Hey thats just more bait ....


I know.....
Watch him bite .....AGAIN



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #153, 07-09-2011 10:42 PM
      I have to work the weekend but found a little time to start relocating the wipers. I have the first hole drilled. There is just enough room for them.

If I get time after work tomorrow I will try to get the other one done.


skuzzbomer MSG #154, 07-09-2011 11:06 PM
      How will the stock wipers work with the curvature of the glass?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #155, 07-10-2011 07:32 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

How will the stock wipers work with the curvature of the glass?

I did some test runs with them by hand to get locations. The way a wiper is made allows it to form to the windshield so stockers will work. I will find larger blades to cover more area but not needed. I just thought of something. This might not work on a standard car the clutch master cylinder might be in the way. I will have to look when I am home. This has been done on two kit cars that I know off but I did not see how they did their wipers just wanted info on the best windshield to fit the Fiero opening. There was not a lot of info out there that I could find.
Thanks,


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #156, 07-10-2011 10:12 AM
      Would it be possible to fit an aftermarket wiper unit they use in the old 30's hot rods down in the cowl in the duct area u covered with the sheetmetal? I know those units are verry small and basically run two motors one for each wiper kinda like a servo drive. I bet they would make it alot easier to do this then u would have no linkage between the wiper arms to deal with anymore.??Just an Idea.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #157, 07-10-2011 12:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:

Would it be possible to fit an aftermarket wiper unit they use in the old 30's hot rods down in the cowl in the duct area u covered with the sheetmetal? I know those units are verry small and basically run two motors one for each wiper kinda like a servo drive. I bet they would make it alot easier to do this then u would have no linkage between the wiper arms to deal with anymore.??Just an Idea.

Si, good idea, I just want to keep the original setup.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #158, 07-10-2011 09:09 PM
      If you have not seen Sean's 430 build, I thought it might give you some ideas: http://www.madmechanics.com...er-ad-360-build/450/

Bob


Boogaloo MSG #159, 07-11-2011 03:09 PM
      And some hood gap filler info too....
http://www.madmechanics.com...er-build-thread/210/


Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #160, 07-12-2011 12:13 AM
      Just for what it's worth,

How about just using one wiper like the exotics. Just a thought..

I think it would really set the car off nicely.

Not to say that what your doing already is GREAT!

I enjoy the updates, less the drama.

Please continue

And I can't wait to see the car in person.

Jim


Fierosmith (cljeast@swbell.net) MSG #161, 07-14-2011 10:55 PM
      Friendly bump.

Update???


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #162, 07-15-2011 09:26 PM
      Been a long week at work not much time to work on the car. I had to cut out the work I did to get the wipers in. I think I finally got it done. The motor is in stock location and wiper system rotates so I think that part is done. I have a couple of pictures to add. Tomorrow I will fiberglass it all back again. If you have the nuts to do this it took me over ten hours to redo the rods and levers to make the wipers work. It will save time if you do the wipers when the cowl is cut out.





KVCFIERO MSG #163, 07-15-2011 10:22 PM
      Man, the things you do.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #164, 07-16-2011 07:47 PM
      Got the wipers going and worked on filling the gaps around the Sebring windshield today. I also removed the headlights and a few other things.




Once this is done I can move to the headlights.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #165, 07-16-2011 09:40 PM
      Looking good but why go on...It can't be done......



Oreif (kopielski1714@wowway.com) MSG #166, 07-17-2011 07:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Archie start your own thread and talk your trash there. This is a build thread for my wife’s car and I do not need you and your friends here trying to trash it like you have all my other threads. Be a man and walk away or start a lets bash F355spider or Mustangbeware thread or something just stay out of my wife's build thread. You are not welcome here with you calling people stupid.
Michael

This thread does not hurt his business he does a great job of that on his own with his diagrams, pictures, trashing other people that challenge him or tells others they think him selling rusty angle iron for motor mounts is not professional and the many times he takes the bait and Stephen sets the hook. Then he calls other people stupid!


So if I read the above posts correctly, You would prefer Archie to not be involved in YOUR build threads, But yet you are fully aware that your friends are trolling bait in YOUR build threads to get Archie to bite. See a contradiction there?

In fact others in this thread have also mentioned how your friends tossing digs out to others has trashed many of your other build threads and that they were starting to do it in this thread BEFORE Archie even posted.

While I really enjoy following your build threads and seeing nice the work you do, Archie is not the one you need to ask to stop the drama, It would be your friends that consistantly invite the drama that you need to talk to.

[This message has been edited by Oreif (edited 07-17-2011).]

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #167, 07-17-2011 07:45 AM
      Looks good. The windshield mod has been lurking in the back of my mind for 3-4 years now.

Could you post two profile pics that show the before/after difference?

Bob


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #168, 07-17-2011 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Oreif:


So if I read the above posts correctly, You would prefer Archie to not be involved in YOUR build threads, But yet you are fully aware that your friends are trolling bait in YOUR build threads to get Archie to bite. See a contradiction there?

In fact others in this thread have also mentioned how your friends tossing digs out to others has trashed many of your other build threads and that they were starting to do it in this thread BEFORE Archie even posted.

While I really enjoy following your build threads and seeing nice the work you do, Archie is not the one you need to ask to stop the drama, It would be your friends that consistantly invite the drama that you need to talk to.



Man where have you been hiding....Havent had a good argument Thread with you in a while....Place is just not like it used to be.......


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #169, 07-17-2011 12:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Oreif:


So if I read the above posts correctly, You would prefer Archie to not be involved in YOUR build threads,
While I really enjoy following your build threads and seeing nice the work you do,


YES and thanks,

 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Looks good. The windshield mod has been lurking in the back of my mind for 3-4 years now.

Could you post two profile pics that show the before/after difference?

Bob


Thanks, Same here but I have to say it is a challenge. Once I get it finished I will try to do that.
Michael



Oreif (kopielski1714@wowway.com) MSG #170, 07-18-2011 05:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


YES and thanks,


That is what what I thought, Thanks for answering all my questions.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #171, 07-18-2011 12:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Oreif:


That is what what I thought, Thanks for answering all my questions.

You are very welcome. Glad I could help.
I almost forgot I made a cap of the top of the front bumper yesterday. Once I pull it I will be able to use it to build the new front bumper and get the headlights cut in. I have to what for the sides of the car until the wheels are made and shipped. Once they are where they need to be I will know how wide the car will be.

[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 07-18-2011).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #172, 07-23-2011 10:30 PM
      Had a little time to work on the car today. I worked on the windshield area some.

I had to fill at the bottom and fill the center at the top. I have a cap to start the bumper with. Not sure how it will end up yet but with the top I will be able to work on the lights.

I just used tape it was faster than waxing and less work.


Will have to go to Dallas tomorrow Hope to pick up the Stu wipes and get the black and red leather for the interior.


KVCFIERO MSG #173, 07-25-2011 06:20 PM
      When are you going to be back to work on the Fiero?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #174, 07-27-2011 04:11 PM
      I have the ruff out done for the headlights will try to get some time to post a picture or two. I was able to pick up the Stu-wipes also.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #175, 08-09-2011 08:48 AM
      Not a lot going on here but work. I did take a few minutes last night after work to try something. I need a shape for the front bumper so I measured the fender on the 16' trailer and it was close. I thought this will give me the same curve on the sides so what the heck. I will pull the skin off tonight and see how it turns out then graft it to the top piece I made, and then see where I go from there.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #176, 08-11-2011 10:26 AM
      My wife laughed at me for the fender thing but I pulled it off held it up to the car and she could see what I did. I just need time to work on it more. I still have to cut some metal on the front for the headlights to fit in also.
I will be selling the wheels off the car soon. I am hoping the new ones come in around the end of the month.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #177, 08-15-2011 08:09 AM
      I had to cancel the wheels this weekend they have managed to put them out an extra 2 months. I am tired of waiting so back to looking for a nice set of wheels that will let me make the body wider. If anyone has any suggestions I am open.

joshua riedl MSG #178, 08-15-2011 05:56 PM
      ruff racing has a decent selection and will drill the bolt pattern you need.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #179, 08-15-2011 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by joshua riedl:

ruff racing has a decent selection and will drill the bolt pattern you need.

Thanks, I will look into ruff
I have the top hoop fitted and the rear hips removed ready to be fattened up a little.




MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #180, 08-16-2011 09:42 PM
      Starting to look a little differant......



jetsnvettes2000 MSG #181, 08-16-2011 10:12 PM
      Lookin good!!

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #182, 08-17-2011 11:25 AM
      I like a little meat on my hips, cough... cough.

Congrats on the move to TCZ!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #183, 08-17-2011 04:42 PM
      Si thanks guys,

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #184, 08-18-2011 06:04 PM
      I wonder if anyone has made a jig to change the bolt pattern. I'm thinking of doing this so I will be able to find some wheels I like.

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #185, 08-19-2011 12:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I wonder if anyone has made a jig to change the bolt pattern. I'm thinking of doing this so I will be able to find some wheels I like.


I am workin on a jig to do 5x112 but its been slow, I havent had the time to fill weld the existing lug holes and redrill them yet.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #186, 08-19-2011 09:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jetsnvettes2000:


I am workin on a jig to do 5x112 but its been slow, I havent had the time to fill weld the existing lug holes and redrill them yet.


Do you think a 5x4.5 would work? I have not had time to check. I would be able to run Mustang wheels and brakes. If for some reason they did not work on the car I could put them on my Danger/Ranger. Gota do something the car is on hold until I know how wide it will be.
I hope to get some Mr. Mike seats ordered in the next week or two but I have to find a TA/firebird dash to see if I go Black/Red or Grey/Red seats.
Then I will be hitting up JScott a lot on the dash and getting it in the car.


355Fiero MSG #187, 08-19-2011 06:57 PM
      Mike;

Great build. Nice to see the Sebring screen going into a chopper as I wasn't sure it would fit very well but it looks good. The side and top gaps are known to need work so I am not surprised you had to fill in some of the a-pillars and top. Not too bad of a difference though so easily managed as you have shown.

5 x 4.5" bolt pattern will fit on a Fiero front hub as I am getting 5x4.75" done to a set for new rims for one of my projects coming up.

Keep up the good work and keep the pics coming.

Cheers
Don


jetsnvettes2000 MSG #188, 08-19-2011 11:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Do you think a 5x4.5 would work? I have not had time to check. I would be able to run Mustang wheels and brakes. If for some reason they did not work on the car I could put them on my Danger/Ranger. Gota do something the car is on hold until I know how wide it will be.
I hope to get some Mr. Mike seats ordered in the next week or two but I have to find a TA/firebird dash to see if I go Black/Red or Grey/Red seats.
Then I will be hitting up JScott a lot on the dash and getting it in the car.


There is alot of room inbetween the vanes on the backside of the fireo front hub, I would imagine after fill welding the existing lug holes you would be able to redrill them and make it work as long as the center hole of the rim will fit over the center of the fiero hub. I am trying to fit the 97 turbo jetta rims on mine, the center bore of the rim fits exactly over the fiero hub I will try and take pics in the morning my camera is dead at the moment.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #189, 08-20-2011 08:31 AM
      I guess my next thought is would it be better to buy a new set of bearings/hubs or if the originals are good use them? I have heard the new ones are not as good as the originals in good shape. I might be lucky on a dash was looking around last night and found a guy about 20 minutes away from me selling a LS TA dash from a car he is parting. I am going tonight to check it out. He does not have door panels but the dash is good.

Boogaloo MSG #190, 08-20-2011 10:20 AM
      You are better off using the Fiero door panels and modifying them by transferring the TA door parts .if you are looking for a good fit.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #191, 08-21-2011 09:58 PM
      I went ahead a got the dash there are a few things missing but it was cheap and close to the house.



Boogaloo MSG #192, 08-21-2011 11:34 PM
      I have the radio fascia you can have for shipping cost if you want it.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #193, 08-22-2011 10:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boogaloo:

I have the radio fascia you can have for shipping cost if you want it.

Let me get back with you. I found another car being parted out in Corpus, I am going to call today. I'm hoping I can just get everything I need from it. If not I will let you know.
Thanks,


KVCFIERO MSG #194, 08-24-2011 04:21 PM
      All this talk where is the action?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #195, 08-24-2011 09:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

Looking Good...Be sure to keep that custom blue interior....It will really set the car off.....If you plan on selling the wheels on it now let me know and I might take them off ur hands when you are ready....


I have the new wheels on order these wheels will be for sale soon if you still want them.


el_roy1985 MSG #196, 08-24-2011 11:26 PM
      Not sure if I missed it or not, but what's the benefit of the Sebring windshield?

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #197, 08-25-2011 12:18 PM
      Is your Sebring windshield the same as the "extended windshield" everyone is talking about?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/055691.html

I've read that it's a Sebring coupe windshield that is cut down for the Fiero.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #198, 08-25-2011 06:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

Is your Sebring windshield the same as the "extended windshield" everyone is talking about?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/055691.html

I've read that it's a Sebring coupe windshield that is cut down for the Fiero.

I used a Sebring coupe but it does not need to be cut. You do have to ad filler at the top and the bottom sides. The top corners fit the Fiero top sides and you have to move the wipers out and make a new tray. It is less work to chop a Fiero than to do the windshield swap in my opinion.
 
quote
Originally posted by el_roy1985:

Not sure if I missed it or not, but what's the benefit of the Sebring windshield?


The benefit for doing this is to have a custom car that is not a cookie cutter.


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #199, 08-26-2011 01:41 AM
      Good to know. All the kit car forums mention that the Sebring windshield has to be cut down.
I keep thinking about how it would modernize the Fiero, yet at the same time even kit car owners say the swap isn't worth the effort. Guess I'll have to wait until yours is done to see the results.

Of course yours lays more flat than a regular height windshield, I think.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #200, 08-28-2011 05:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

Good to know. All the kit car forums mention that the Sebring windshield has to be cut down.
I keep thinking about how it would modernize the Fiero, yet at the same time even kit car owners say the swap isn't worth the effort. Guess I'll have to wait until yours is done to see the results.

Of course yours lays more flat than a regular height windshield, I think.

The Breeze has to be cut but has more shape to it. Yea with the chop the windshield is laid back making the thing look flat.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #201, 08-31-2011 10:23 PM
      Gianina got her wheels and tires today She was happy to see them.

She liked them so much she put Sharka on guard patrol




el_roy1985 MSG #202, 08-31-2011 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


The benefit for doing this is to have a custom car that is not a cookie cutter.


Guess I thought it might have more curvature to it. Although, it was not noticeable when I looked up images. Guess I'll have to wait and see how it looks compared to other chopped Fieros with stock windshields. I would like to have a windshield that's curved more, but not sure if I would want to go through all the work that is involved.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #203, 09-01-2011 01:09 AM
     

Those are some good looking wheels !

What sizes are you running ?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #204, 09-01-2011 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by el_roy1985:


Guess I thought it might have more curvature to it. Although, it was not noticeable when I looked up images. Guess I'll have to wait and see how it looks compared to other chopped Fieros with stock windshields. I would like to have a windshield that's curved more, but not sure if I would want to go through all the work that is involved.


There is a lot more curve to it than stock. Gotta remember the laid back window looks more flat than if on a OEM car. It also extends more to the front with hopes of giving the more cab forward look. It is a lot of work.

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Those are some good looking wheels !

What sizes are you running ?

Thanks, 18X10 rear and 17X9 front
Wait until you see the new front. I hope I will get a little time to work some on it this weekend.
I did notice the front sway bar is not connected to the a-arms. Guess it has been that way for a while and would explain why the front was feeling a little loose when I drove it before I cut the car to pieces.
I gage if I'm making the right decisions on how big my wifes smile is when she walks out to look at what I am doing. Like when we pulled the wheels out of the boxes.



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #205, 09-01-2011 11:55 PM
      LOVE the wheel choice! love some big old chrome...

It reminds me very much of the G8 GXP wheel/Caddy CTS-v wheel



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #206, 09-02-2011 01:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

The Breeze has to be cut but has more shape to it. Yea with the chop the windshield is laid back making the thing look flat.


What do you mean by "more shape to it"? I'm confused.


355Fiero MSG #207, 09-02-2011 01:45 PM
      The Breeze windshield has more curvature on the bottom so it sits further forward in a stock configuration than the screen Mike is using on his build. If I am reading correctly, that would be what Mike was saying for more curvature. If I remember correctly, the Breeze lower edge pushes out about 8" from stock Fiero and the Sebring is about 5-6" at the bottom edge. Numbers may not be exact but I think they are about there.

The Sebring screen fits better in the chopped scenario though in my opinion since the bottom curvature is less so it will not sit as high up when laid back and fills the front cowl area very nicely as the centre portion of the lower lip is longer than stock Breeze and Fiero. Fits really well from the pics I am seeing here.

Keep up the great work Mike as it is looking good.

Cheers
Don


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #208, 09-03-2011 09:40 PM
      I did a little test fitting today. The front wheels will rub if I turn to sharp I will have to space them out a little to clear at full turn.





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #209, 09-06-2011 04:48 PM
      After finding out I need to space the front wheels out to clear on turns. I decided to just get wheel adaptors and not re-drill hubs. I will just have to make the car a little wider than planned is all. Might be a good thing.

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #210, 09-07-2011 12:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Gianina got her wheels and tires today She was happy to see them.

She liked them so much she put Sharka on guard patrol



I've always liked your cars. Your wife is a cutie too. Is she on the girls with fieros link?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #211, 09-07-2011 08:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:


I've always liked your cars. Your wife is a cutie too. Is she on the girls with fieros link?

Thanks, Na she has been in a few of the threads but not the girls with Fieros.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #212, 09-12-2011 09:08 AM
      With only one day off last week not a lot was done to the car. If I get the wheel adapters in today I will bolt the wheels up and work more on the front of the car. I cut a little metal out on the front for the new front end so it should shorten the front up about 3 inches from stock. Sorry time was short and I did not take any pictures.

Marine1981 MSG #213, 09-15-2011 02:56 PM
      Looking good. AS long as she is happy that's all that matters.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #214, 09-15-2011 09:47 PM
      I took a few pictures of were I am with the front of the car. I decided to modify a bumper saves a lot of time.



Shot of the rear wheel on the car


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #215, 09-18-2011 04:29 PM
      Still only one day off this week so I took a little time to make the spacers for the front bumper. I have to make it five inches wider on the front. Looks like the front is 73 inches wide tire to tire and the rear is 75. If I remember right that is the width of the 355 Ferrari.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #216, 09-19-2011 01:11 PM
     

Looking good spider.

Are those lambo headlamps in the works ?

Can't wait to see how you going to shape the front and rear hips.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #217, 09-20-2011 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Looking good spider.

Are those lambo headlamps in the works ?

Can't wait to see how you going to shape the front and rear hips.


Thanks, Celica headlamps. I got one of the fenders started today.

The way I do it is fast but takes more finnish time but beats making molds.


KVCFIERO MSG #218, 09-21-2011 06:32 AM
      I like the front bumper it looks like it is close to fitting or could be fitted to a stock Fiero fairly easy. I wonder how many others have done this and how much would it cost?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #219, 09-22-2011 06:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

I like the front bumper it looks like it is close to fitting or could be fitted to a stock Fiero fairly easy. I wonder how many others have done this and how much would it cost?


For me it is a big time saver. It would be too wide for a stock fiero but could be made to fit as I have to make it fit for my needs. I paid $123.00 for it online. So for the price I would use that much in material and time to make something of my own. I got the back bumper in yesterday but did not get to take a look at it. I also got all the Polly and parts for front and rear cradle so I will get that done next, cut the springs (need a coil off drop front) and get at it again when I get some time.
Thanks,



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #220, 09-22-2011 08:25 PM
      Got the back bumper in today. After posting my last post this morning of the price of my front bumper I got a (NEG) added to my bar so with this post I will let everyone know the back bumper was $186.00 and that Amazon.com is were I got them. There are a lot of good deals there.


Thanks,


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #221, 09-22-2011 09:43 PM
     

Now that back bumper is really slick looking !

What car was that made for ?

Man I really need to look around for a future project !


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #222, 09-23-2011 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Now that back bumper is really slick looking !

What car was that made for ?

Man I really need to look around for a future project !


It is for a G35



KVCFIERO MSG #223, 09-29-2011 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I took a few pictures of were I am with the front of the car. I decided to modify a bumper saves a lot of time.



Shot of the rear wheel on the car


Looks to rice for me


KVCFIERO MSG #224, 09-29-2011 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Got the back bumper in today. After posting my last post this morning of the price of my front bumper I got a (NEG) added to my bar so with this post I will let everyone know the back bumper was $186.00 and that Amazon.com is were I got them. There are a lot of good deals there.


Thanks,

That is one sweet rear. I can not wait to see this on the back



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #225, 10-01-2011 11:42 PM
      I got to do a little work on the front end

Finnished with the fender skins


then molding the front together

Next is a couple of shots on how wide the front will be. I want to have the car flow front to back like the curves of a woman. The doors will be the waist then I will work on the wide hips.

A overhead shot


KVCFIERO MSG #226, 10-03-2011 08:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I got to do a little work on the front end

Finnished with the fender skins


then molding the front together

Next is a couple of shots on how wide the front will be. I want to have the car flow front to back like the curves of a woman. The doors will be the waist then I will work on the wide hips.

A overhead shot


I like what you are doing. Looks like a lot of work but should be worth it when the wife gets to show it off.


nosrac MSG #227, 10-03-2011 01:37 PM
      WOW! WEE!

I likie berry much !


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #228, 10-08-2011 08:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

WOW! WEE!

I likie berry much !


I hope it will hang with yours when finished.
Looks like another week of no progress, work is killing me.


KVCFIERO MSG #229, 10-20-2011 08:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


I hope it will hang with yours when finished.
Looks like another week of no progress, work is killing me.


More like two weeks any updates?



Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #230, 10-20-2011 10:14 AM
      More into this one then the one going on at archies, Hate the owner of that car but this is something new and not something the same. Not trying to ruffle and feathers in the other camp as Archie has always been a great guy to me.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #231, 10-21-2011 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


More like two weeks any updates?

A lot going on. I had a very good offer to work for another company and so I am in the middle of that. I will have a few months here then will relocate to San Antonio with new job so I am looking forward to that. I cut the top off the back bumper a while back and need to make some more cuts and piece it together to get it were I need it. Will take some pictures when I start. Then I will know what I need to connect the front and the back. I got a good lead on a spare 88 cradle so I might be able to start fitting the LS4 to it also one day.

 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero Thomas:

More into this one then the one going on at archies, Hate the owner of that car but this is something new and not something the same. Not trying to ruffle and feathers in the other camp as Archie has always been a great guy to me.


Not sure what to say. You hate me or the owner of the car at Archie’s? Anyway, thanks and I will give you a plus for having balls and using them buy being honest and not swinging from someone else’s.


KVCFIERO MSG #232, 10-21-2011 05:31 PM
      Good luck on the move. I hope it works out for you.

Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #233, 10-21-2011 09:04 PM
      do not hate you just the owner of the car at archies. sorry for the confusion. Its personal for me This is new as well not done before no offense to Archie and his crew as they do great work as well.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #234, 10-22-2011 09:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero Thomas:

do not hate you just the owner of the car at archies. sorry for the confusion. Its personal for me This is new as well not done before no offense to Archie and his crew as they do great work as well.


That’s cool, most people that know me knows it is OK to hate me. I'm glad you don't because I could not remember us having issues. I was hoping to work on the car a little today but I had to be at work.


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #235, 10-24-2011 11:54 AM
      good to hear about the job Mike. Congrats! Nice to be wanted, huh?

Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #236, 10-24-2011 12:06 PM
      No issues as well a plus sent your way as well.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #237, 10-26-2011 09:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

good to hear about the job Mike. Congrats! Nice to be wanted, huh?


Yep, It is.
Gianina and I have been thinking of calling this car Fiero-V having the LS engine the wheels as the CTS-V and if I can work it. looking at the CTS-V bottom grill in the front of the car would look nice. I hope to get this weekend off so I can work on the car some. I might go with the Black Diamond paint also.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #238, 10-27-2011 09:17 PM
      I got a little time to cut the back bumper down today I made a couple cuts and set it in place.
I can not post the pictures is
pip not working?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #239, 10-29-2011 09:41 PM
      Thanks to Cliff I'm back to posting pictures. Here are the one I tried to post of the rear bumper



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #240, 10-31-2011 09:09 PM
      I started making a jig for the rear fenders today. Thought I would share a few pictures of how I am doing it.



Gonna have some wide hips


KVCFIERO MSG #241, 11-01-2011 07:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I started making a jig for the rear fenders today. Thought I would share a few pictures of how I am doing it.



Gonna have some wide hips


Never thought of that. Waiting to see what is next.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #242, 11-01-2011 09:03 AM
     

Pretty nifty idea.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #243, 11-03-2011 07:10 PM
      I had a few minutes so I got a little more done





wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #244, 11-03-2011 07:31 PM
      now that using your head ...great work....keep it coming....

lamborghinikid (lamborghinikid@zoomtown.com) MSG #245, 11-03-2011 07:38 PM
      How much wider are the wheels in the rear than the stock ones. Looks good


el_roy1985 MSG #246, 11-03-2011 07:59 PM
      Like how you widened the front to match the rear. Should look great when it's all together. Nice choice on the rear bumper, can't wait to see what else you've got planned for this car.

KVCFIERO MSG #247, 11-04-2011 10:52 AM
      Innovation rocks, what about the doors?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #248, 11-07-2011 12:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lamborghinikid:

How much wider are the wheels in the rear than the stock ones. Looks good


The rear wheels are 18x10 I think Stock wheels are 15X6.5

 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

Innovation rocks, what about the doors?


Don't know yet.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #249, 11-10-2011 09:37 AM
      Good news, my axels and mounts for the LS4 from Joe (Fieroking) are ready to ship. I want to thank Joe for helping me with this part of the build. Gianina already told me I have to finish the body first before I can pull the 2.8. Thanks to Blake I have a lead on a spare cradle so I might be able to have the ls4 swap going as the body is being built.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #250, 11-10-2011 04:17 PM
     

I can't wait to see a wide side shot of this car when you get her further along.

Are you doing some sort of side vents and or rockers ?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #251, 11-11-2011 07:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
I can't wait to see a wide side shot of this car when you get her further along.

Are you doing some sort of side vents and or rockers ?


I'm with you I truly am going by the seat of the paints here. I am trying to let the car lead me where I need to go with it. I have always been a big fan of exotic car side vents so I am sure it will have something on the side of the car. I’m just not sure where to start them, in the door or behind the door. I'm hoping to get a little time tonight to work on it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #252, 11-13-2011 09:51 AM
      I was able to get some time to get the other side done.




I will try to get some work done on the back bumper today.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #253, 11-13-2011 07:31 PM
      I was able to get some work done on the rear bumper today. thought I would add the pictures of what I did to fit the top of the bumper to the car.








F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #254, 11-13-2011 07:37 PM
      A few more






KVCFIERO MSG #255, 11-14-2011 07:56 AM
     
That has to be one of the best looking rear bumpers I have seen on a Fiero.

Kevin
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I was able to get some work done on the rear bumper today. thought I would add the pictures of what I did to fit the top of the bumper to the car.

















blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #256, 11-14-2011 11:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Thanks to Blake I have a lead on a spare cradle so I might be able to have the ls4 swap going as the body is being built.


you're welcome!... now I need to get one of my own...



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #257, 11-15-2011 03:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:


you're welcome!... now I need to get one of my own...


Blake I will call you tonight. My old phone number is not good anymore.

[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 11-15-2011).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #258, 11-20-2011 10:39 AM
      A little update to the build. I was looking around for what to do with the spoiler and decided to use the top of the rear bumper I cut off. I wanted something close to the IMSA one. This will giveme a nice head start.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #259, 11-21-2011 08:41 AM
      A little more shaping and glassing.




Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #260, 11-21-2011 10:24 AM
      Cool project...great to see notchback mods. Did you the chop with the windshield still mounted?...if that is possible.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #261, 11-22-2011 07:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Cool project...great to see notchback mods. Did you the chop with the windshield still mounted?...if that is possible.


Thanks,
I removed the windshield it was cracked and went with a more curved windshield hoping to get a lot different look to the car.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #262, 11-23-2011 09:31 AM
      I got out the old molds I made when I built the silver choptop but decided not to use them.



I'm thinking of leaving the sides smooth and not doing vents. I made these just to use and I can modify them as needed.





I will think about it over Thanksgiving. HAPPY Thanksgiving to all.

[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 11-23-2011).]

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #263, 12-02-2011 01:39 PM
      Mike, Everything you build amazes me. First, you do it yourself (by yourself) and then the speed at which you proceed. I've looked at other builds that have been going on for years and yet they haven't made the progress that you do in just a few months. Original ideas, moving forward without hesitation that "it can't be done". I also appreciate the way that you are willing to help others and explain the process (not that many of us have the skills to do it).
Good luck with your move to SA.


Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #264, 12-04-2011 01:47 PM
      to the top with you. whats going on in this amazing build.



rcp builders MSG #265, 12-04-2011 07:40 PM
     
Excellent choice on bumpers, the g35 was one of my choices of rears, when I finished my front bumper.

The other 2 were the Genesis

which I like.

Or this one here

which I don't think I can get, lol.

So with the g35 spoken for, the Genesis it is.
Again great choice and excellent work, the car is looking GREAT!!! Ray
P.S I will remove the Fergie pic. if you think it ruins your thread in any way.

[This message has been edited by rcp builders (edited 12-04-2011).]

RumbleB MSG #266, 12-05-2011 05:08 PM
      I am liking the way you think! When it comes to designing and building a car. That rear bumper, is it flexible or hard fiberglass? The bumper would reduce a lot of work that I am facing, with stock bumper. Just curious on how you plan to finish the sides near the wheel wells.

Great work!

Don Z.

[This message has been edited by RumbleB (edited 12-05-2011).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #267, 12-06-2011 07:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rcp builders:


Excellent choice on bumpers, the g35 was one of my choices of rears, when I finished my front bumper.

The other 2 were the Genesis

which I like.

Or this one here

which I don't think I can get, lol.

So with the g35 spoken for, the Genesis it is.
Again great choice and excellent work, the car is looking GREAT!!! Ray
P.S I will remove the Fergie pic. if you think it ruins your thread in any way.



Thanks everyone. I have started a new job and with the holidays I have not had any time to work on the car. Then this weekend is out because my Aunt and Uncle are celebrating their 60th wedding anniversary.
I like both of your rear end choices. Would be nice if you could afford to have them both.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #268, 12-06-2011 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RumbleB:

I am liking the way you think! When it comes to designing and building a car. That rear bumper, is it flexible or hard fiberglass? The bumper would reduce a lot of work that I am facing, with stock bumper. Just curious on how you plan to finish the sides near the wheel wells.

Great work!

Don Z.



It is fiberglass. I will get to the sides one day but will fiberglass back the piece I cut off.
thanks,



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #269, 12-09-2011 07:53 PM
      I do not have any more work to show but I did get a package from Joe while I was away. I opened it today and thought I would share. Joe put together a kit for me for the ls4 swap.



KVCFIERO MSG #270, 12-17-2011 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I do not have any more work to show but I did get a package from Joe while I was away. I opened it today and thought I would share. Joe put together a kit for me for the ls4 swap.





So will your 2.8 in the car will be ready to sell soon?


Kevin


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #271, 12-18-2011 07:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:
So will your 2.8 in the car will be ready to sell soon?


Kevin


Not until I get ready to put the LS4 in but I will let you know first.

I trimmed the rear quarters up today and added another layer to them.





I also started working on them




You can see were I cut them to fit them and widen them.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #272, 12-18-2011 07:36 PM
      I then set them were I needed and fiber glassed them





A sneek peek of the rocker





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #273, 12-18-2011 07:39 PM
      the other side







thats it for today.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #274, 12-18-2011 08:54 PM
     
are you going to widen the doors to match the lower 1/4 panels ?

nice progress



wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #275, 12-18-2011 10:13 PM
      awesome job keep it coming

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #276, 12-19-2011 08:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:


are you going to widen the doors to match the lower 1/4 panels ?

nice progress


Yea, I will. Not sure if I will put vents in the doors or not. I'm still in the air on side vents. I do like the way the 355 doors look. I have to figure out the wheel openings also. I think I need to lower the car before I make them to get them were they need to be.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #277, 12-22-2011 09:47 PM
      Yesterday was a rough day. I was eating lunch and looked behind the building next door to the Dairy Queen and saw two Fieros. I went by and ask if he needed to buy a good 2.8. He said he had bought the cars for his son a few years ago (1997). I looked and he had four. One of the cars was a dark green. I have never seen a factory dark Green Fiero but it was so faded it had to be the original paint. One was an SE one an 84 and an 88. When he told me he had no money to buy the engine. I walked away. Why is it so hard to walk away from Fieros sitting weathering away?

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #278, 12-22-2011 09:58 PM
      Well that sucks, I thought I was going to see some more work on your car. I think I'm having as much fun with your build as you are and I don't even have to do the work.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #279, 12-26-2011 12:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

Well that sucks, I thought I was going to see some more work on your car. I think I'm having as much fun with your build as you are and I don't even have to do the work.


Fun, Fun, Fun, and today I was able to work on the car an hour or so. I took the front end apart so I could lower it and put the Polly in. It has been in the low 50s so I have not wanted to work in the cold but it has been a few days so I thought I would get some more pictures. The good news is it should be back up to 68 in a day or two.













I will try to find some time tomorrow to cut the springs and get it back together.


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #280, 12-26-2011 02:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I do not have any more work to show but I did get a package from Joe while I was away. I opened it today and thought I would share. Joe put together a kit for me for the ls4 swap.


I wished Santa would of brought me a box of goodies like that.


Gokart Mozart MSG #281, 12-26-2011 09:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Yesterday was a rough day. I was eating lunch and looked behind the building next door to the Dairy Queen and saw two Fieros. I went by and ask if he needed to buy a good 2.8. He said he had bought the cars for his son a few years ago (1997). I looked and he had four. One of the cars was a dark green. I have never seen a factory dark Green Fiero but it was so faded it had to be the original paint. One was an SE one an 84 and an 88. When he told me he had no money to buy the engine. I walked away. Why is it so hard to walk away from Fieros sitting weathering away?


Pics? You know we love pics, even if it's a bit depressing. Could you ask to see the green one again and take a pic of the vin and RPO?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #282, 12-26-2011 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:


I wished Santa would of brought me a box of goodies like that.

Call Joe you might get the easter bunny to bring you a gift?


 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Pics? You know we love pics, even if it's a bit depressing. Could you ask to see the green one again and take a pic of the vin and RPO?


I will see what I can do this guy is not the norm. His yard if full of junk and cars.

I noticed I should replace the ball joints in Gianina's Fiero but I am having a hard time finding them. The uppers are the problem and finding ones that are made in the USA. I noticed the Fiero store has a set uppers and lowers but the do not give the name brand and they are cheap so I would think that means made in China. I will check with NAPA tomorrow..


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #283, 12-28-2011 08:04 PM
      I ordered new ball joints they should be in tomorrow. I could only get the bottom ones. Tops still feel ok so I will leave them for now. If all goes well I will get the front end back together this weekend. The car has KYB shocks so I will leave them also. I need to Hurry Gianina was at the Dealership today looking at a new black SS Camaro convertible.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #284, 12-29-2011 10:00 PM
      I started replacing the ball joints today.



I thought I would show how I remove the old rubber. I do not burn out the rubber . I use a drill and it works great.



I tryed to get the pictures of the process.



The drill will spin the rubber out



It will also just tap out without much trouble





[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 12-29-2011).]

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #285, 12-29-2011 11:17 PM
      Surprised that you didn't pick up the 88 for the extra cradle.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #286, 01-01-2012 01:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Surprised that you didn't pick up the 88 for the extra cradle.


I thought about it but decided to walk away. It might have been different if the cars have not been sitting in one spot for over ten years. Every car had the rear battery vent removed and the wires crumbled in my hands. The 88 is a basic coupe.

Happy NEW YEAR everyone!


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #287, 01-01-2012 01:22 PM
      I burned out my bushings before & distinctly remember wondering if there was a better way...probably with a press.

[This message has been edited by Amida (edited 01-01-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #288, 01-08-2012 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

I burned out my bushings before & distinctly remember wondering if there was a better way...probably with a press.



It works great might help the next guy. I have the front end back together and did a little fiber glassing. I have to think about how I want to do the doors.


Stubby79 MSG #289, 01-09-2012 03:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:





Ahh, thank you for sharing that. I wondered if it would work. A + for you, since I'm about to do this and didn't want to burn them out!


Fiero38SC (jrhaughey@gmail.com) MSG #290, 01-09-2012 01:35 PM
      Make sure you have a spare bit when you do this. It does work well, but I have broken one in the past.

Also try it in your drill press. Move the A-arm to the bit and let it work itself around.

[This message has been edited by Fiero38SC (edited 01-10-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #291, 01-10-2012 08:03 PM
      I did a little more work to the car. I'm working on the rear wheel wells and the wrap around spoiler. I ordered some 2011 camaro side mirrors but they still have not arrived.

.




Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #292, 01-11-2012 02:19 AM
      Nice.


GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #293, 01-13-2012 08:33 AM
      WOW!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #294, 01-14-2012 07:56 PM
      Gianina came home from work and gave a once over of her car.


She had a few words then left me to it.



A few more shots of the Spoiler progress.





Getting ready for some glass.





Thats it for now.


donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #295, 01-15-2012 08:33 AM
      God I wish I had your skills!. I love the look so far and the choice for the front looks amazing.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #296, 01-15-2012 04:32 PM
      Lucky wife.

KVCFIERO MSG #297, 01-17-2012 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I did a little more work to the car. I'm working on the rear wheel wells and the wrap around spoiler. I ordered some 2011 camaro side mirrors but they still have not arrived.

.




LOVEN IT !!!!!!!!! Waiting to see your doors and how it will all fit together.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #298, 01-18-2012 06:37 AM
      looking good keep up the good work.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #299, 01-21-2012 10:35 AM
      I bought some camaro mirrors from Amazon for less than 40 bucks each but not sure if I will use them. Will have to wait and see but they do not work with the flow at this time when held up to the car.



They look good and are power





GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #300, 01-21-2012 10:30 PM
     
[/QUOTE]

You mounting them in the stock location?


Marine1981 MSG #301, 01-22-2012 12:38 PM
      Still looking good, been a while since I checked in on the build. Hope to see it in person since you moved closer to Austin.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #302, 01-22-2012 09:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GODFATHER:




You mounting them in the stock location?[/QUOTE]

They will have to be ajusted to fit

 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Still looking good, been a while since I checked in on the build. Hope to see it in person since you moved closer to Austin.


I'm looking forward to it.

I started on the doors today



Set up for some glass



With the first coat






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #303, 01-25-2012 08:39 PM
      Pulled the door skins today.





Just stuck it up to see how it fit.





Lota work to go


RumbleB MSG #304, 01-26-2012 12:20 PM
      What is going on about the door handle and the molding, in the new skin?

Big Paul (pkaufmann34@gmail.com) MSG #305, 01-26-2012 11:15 PM
      Did you use Great stuff (or maybe it's good stuff? I don't remember.) expanding foam? I tried that stuff and it didn't work very well. Let it sit for over a day and when I started sanding it the inside was still all sticky and wet. It was like the inside of an alien. I haven't had good experiences with it. maybe I'm doing something wrong...

Very nice car! This is a sick build! I've been following it for a while, but I think this is my first time posting on this thread. Can't wait to see more!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #306, 01-27-2012 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RumbleB:

What is going on about the door handle and the molding, in the new skin?


No handle or molding I'm thinking of doing the handle like JScott has on his blue chop.

 
quote
Originally posted by Big Paul:

Did you use Great stuff (or maybe it's good stuff? I don't remember.) expanding foam? I tried that stuff and it didn't work very well. Let it sit for over a day and when I started sanding it the inside was still all sticky and wet. It was like the inside of an alien. I haven't had good experiences with it. maybe I'm doing something wrong...

Very nice car! This is a sick build! I've been following it for a while, but I think this is my first time posting on this thread. Can't wait to see more!


Yea use it in small strips. let it dry and add it more and let it dry. Then it will dry solid and sand like great stuff should.
Thanks,




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #307, 01-31-2012 08:31 PM
      Had a little time to work on the car. Decided to work on the rear wheel wells





Will-Martin MSG #308, 01-31-2012 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Had a little time to work on the car. Decided to work on the rear wheel wells


Mike your car looks amazing as always. You still holding out to buy that new Vette?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #309, 02-01-2012 10:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will-Martin:


Mike your car looks amazing as always. You still holding out to buy that new Vette?


Nice to see you post. If my wife gets her way after buying the house she wants the vette will be a memory. She smiles and tells me she might let me drive her Fiero.


fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #310, 02-02-2012 12:25 AM
      I think you should just take a Fiero and build the "Vette" transformer.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #311, 02-04-2012 11:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

I think you should just take a Fiero and build the "Vette" transformer.


Who knows? What I will do next.


KVCFIERO MSG #312, 02-05-2012 01:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

I think you should just take a Fiero and build the "Vette" transformer.


That would be cool.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #313, 02-05-2012 09:56 PM
      I made a template for the back window today. I will see about getting it cut this week.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #314, 02-06-2012 08:08 PM
      Template for back window is at the glass shop. I'm thinking of putting the ls4 in while I have the rear clip off. It would be a lot easyer. Just not sure.

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #315, 02-06-2012 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Template for back window is at the glass shop. I'm thinking of putting the ls4 in while I have the rear clip off. It would be a lot easyer. Just not sure.


I would go for it, this is the best time to get the mechanical done while the body is not in the way.

Project looks good. Joe


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #316, 02-08-2012 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:


I would go for it, this is the best time to get the mechanical done while the body is not in the way.

Project looks good. Joe


Yea I think it would be a lot better to do the swap at this time. I picked up the back glass today.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #317, 02-23-2012 08:21 PM
      I was able to get the back window in the car.



Not much else going on.



trimming a few edges



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #318, 02-23-2012 08:25 PM
      I>

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #319, 02-23-2012 08:26 PM
      somehow I ended up with three post

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #320, 02-24-2012 02:20 AM
     

Spider this is looking soooo cool !


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #321, 02-28-2012 09:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Spider this is looking soooo cool !


Thanks,
Back to the body, Gianina wants the body done first hoping to take it out some this year even if in primer then I can swap LS4. I will try to get the rear clip back on this weekend.


Marine1981 MSG #322, 02-29-2012 01:39 AM
      Looking good, think you will make it to Round Up this year??

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #323, 02-29-2012 09:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looking good, think you will make it to Round Up this year??


It would be nice to have it at an event this year. Even with 2.8 and in primer. Time will tell. Gianina is pushing me I'm just moving slow in my old age.


Marine1981 MSG #324, 02-29-2012 11:49 PM
      If you need help one weekend I can come down. I don't know much (read anything) about body work but I need to learn sometime. I know it will be a pain to do all that sanding by yourself lol

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #325, 03-01-2012 09:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

If you need help one weekend I can come down. I don't know much (read anything) about body work but I need to learn sometime. I know it will be a pain to do all that sanding by yourself lol


Sounds good could always use some help. I ordered some polyester primer today. But still a long way from using it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #326, 03-02-2012 08:17 PM
      I had a little time to get the rear clip ready to put on the car today.





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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #327, 03-04-2012 08:54 PM
      I put the rear clip back on today.







donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #328, 03-08-2012 10:26 PM
      Any new updates??

KVCFIERO MSG #329, 03-12-2012 07:12 PM
      I am also looking for updates.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #330, 03-13-2012 09:41 PM
      OK you guys motivated me to work on the car a little today. I test fit the taillights.



I like the way they fit with the new bumper.



I worked on the bumper also



the other side



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #331, 03-14-2012 08:44 PM
      Did a little more work on the rear bumper after I got home.



put some more glass over the foam.



wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #332, 03-15-2012 06:48 PM
      looking great

Marine1981 MSG #333, 03-15-2012 09:31 PM
      Looking good.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #334, 03-15-2012 09:42 PM
      I got home today and was sitting in my chair and Gianina looked at me and ask if I was going to work on the car. I let her know the fiberglass needs to cure for a while and she said I could work on the front. So here we go. Front clip off and marking for front headlights.



Thought I would take a couple more shots of the car. Really, hoping to end up with a very different looking Fiero.





Marine1981 MSG #335, 03-16-2012 12:15 AM
      I think you have accomplished that already lol.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #336, 03-16-2012 09:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I think you have accomplished that already lol.


Thanks, The wife is really pushing me lately but I want it to be right. There will be a lot of sanding in the future. The car will be black with red accents inside and out.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #337, 03-17-2012 08:32 PM
      I worked on the headlights today. I just have them sitting in place but gives a little visual. I hope I will get the brackets made tomorrow to bolt them to the car. Then I can work on the front clip some more.



KVCFIERO MSG #338, 03-19-2012 10:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I got home today and was sitting in my chair and Gianina looked at me and ask if I was going to work on the car. I let her know the fiberglass needs to cure for a while and she said I could work on the front. So here we go. Front clip off and marking for front headlights.



Thought I would take a couple more shots of the car. Really, hoping to end up with a very different looking Fiero.





I like the way the wheels look on the car. It is a very different looking Fiero. I saw the same looking wheels but in black on a 06 GTO today made me think of the car
Kevin



Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #339, 03-20-2012 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:
Really, hoping to end up with a very different looking Fiero.


Nah, it looks like every other Fiero i've seen. two doors, four wheels, hood, top, rear, i don't see any differences


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #340, 03-20-2012 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:


Nah, it looks like every other Fiero i've seen. two doors, four wheels, hood, top, rear, i don't see any differences


TTops. evil LOL



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #341, 03-21-2012 11:26 PM
      I got the headlight brackets finished.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #342, 03-24-2012 11:16 PM
      I did not take any pictures today it was mostly just adjusting and working on getting the front clip were it needs to be. I ended up bringing it in another inch shorter. I hope to get the hood back on tomorrow and see what it looks like.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #343, 03-27-2012 11:07 PM
      A few more shots of the car. As is today







F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #344, 03-28-2012 10:53 PM
      Was able to do a little carving today. A Lot of work to go not sure when I will get the body finnished.




Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #345, 03-29-2012 02:53 PM
      Lookin' good!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #346, 03-31-2012 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Lookin' good!


Thanks; I wish that G1 interior would work in the car. I will be running a different gage cluster and need the dash deeper for the windshield. Waiting to see how it turns out with door skins.

Gianina and I was is San Antonio today looking at homes and we saw a white bumper pad in a garage in Helotes. We wondered if anyone on here owns it? It looked clean.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #347, 04-01-2012 09:27 PM
      I was shocked, while in Corpus today I saw a silver GT with black primer across the front and headlights in up position. That makes two Fieros in two days.

Marine1981 MSG #348, 04-03-2012 08:19 PM
      You should make it to Round Up if you can. Meet some of your soon to be neighbors and their cars!!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #349, 04-06-2012 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

You should make it to Round Up if you can. Meet some of your soon to be neighbors and their cars!!


I have it marked on the calendar. Just wish we had the car ready. I made a little time to work on the hood today. Thought I would pass a couple of pictures on. I will keep the hood smooth ( no vents) I think it makes the front look wider.






donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #350, 04-21-2012 08:24 AM
      Bump for updates!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #351, 04-21-2012 10:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by donnie072003:

Bump for updates!
.

Here ya go. I bolted on the door panels and started working on the doors today.


















I hope to get the driver side door done tomorrow



Marine1981 MSG #352, 04-22-2012 01:30 AM
      Nice Scoops, might have said it earlier but what are they going to be routed to?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #353, 04-22-2012 02:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Nice Scoops, might have said it earlier but what are they going to be routed to?


Plans are to have the transmission cooler on one side and the oil cooler on the other for the LS4. The side skirts have vents that will go to the brakes. Been lazy today just watching the NASCAR race not much car work getting done.


Marine1981 MSG #354, 04-22-2012 04:11 PM
      I was about to say, Less posting, more working. It's the weekend!! lol No need to work on it so much you get burnt out though.

1988holleyformula MSG #355, 04-23-2012 03:27 PM
      Really liking the progress on the door panels.

Also, I'm extremely curious as to how you will tweak this area to make it 'fit' with the rest of the car.



Everything else seems to flow really well, great work!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #356, 04-23-2012 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I was about to say, Less posting, more working. It's the weekend!! lol No need to work on it so much you get burnt out though.



I did clean up around the car after the race.

 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

Really liking the progress on the door panels.

Also, I'm extremely curious as to how you will tweak this area to make it 'fit' with the rest of the car.



Everything else seems to flow really well, great work!


You have a good eye. That area has been on the back of my mind for a while.

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1988holleyformula MSG #357, 04-23-2012 11:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


You have a good eye. That area has been on the back of my mind for a while.



It took me awhile. I really wanted to post something constructive in your thread. Instead of the obvious; "Great job!" Pretty sure you already knew that.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #358, 04-24-2012 06:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


It took me awhile. I really wanted to post something constructive in your thread. Instead of the obvious; "Great job!" Pretty sure you already knew that.


The problem is I like the way it looks front on. but it is off from the side. Paint might help will see.





I looked at some homes out I 10 today near Boerne was nice and I get to drive buy the San Antonio Ferrari Dealership every day if I decide to buy a house out that way. Still looking for a new home to finnish the car at.


1988holleyformula MSG #359, 04-25-2012 03:21 AM
      I know what you mean, that front end with those headlamps looks great.

Try playing with that vent a little bit. I think that might be throwing me off looking through it and seeing concrete. Filling it in a bit, or maybe making that 90* in the bottom left more swoop-y or something... idk, I'm sure you'll figure something out.

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #360, 04-25-2012 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

I know what you mean, that front end with those headlamps looks great.

Try playing with that vent a little bit. I think that might be throwing me off looking through it and seeing concrete. Filling it in a bit, or maybe making that 90* in the bottom left more swoop-y or something... idk, I'm sure you'll figure something out.



I have been thinking of filling that vent. It is not needed and like you said might fix it.


Marine1981 MSG #361, 04-27-2012 02:51 PM
      I'm no expert at designing body mods so this may be stupid so bare with me. The angle of the front bumper seems to almost match up with the A Pillar body panel next to the windshield. If you fill that vent area up or at least make it to where you can't see through it. Then make the angle match the one of the A Pillar as well as it's shape it might flow better. Like I said, I'm no body guy but just my thoughts. Hope they help.

Ben

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FieroUte (utephan@aol.com) MSG #362, 04-27-2012 03:08 PM
      Where in the world did you fin such beautiful notchie tail lights!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #363, 04-28-2012 09:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I'm no expert at designing body mods so this may be stupid so bare with me. The angle of the front bumper seems to almost match up with the A Pillar body panel next to the windshield. If you fill that vent area up or at least make it to where you can't see through it. Then make the angle match the one of the A Pillar as well as it's shape it might flow better. Like I said, I'm no body guy but just my thoughts. Hope they help.

Ben




Looking like the vent will be filled in.

 
quote
Originally posted by FieroUte:

Where in the world did you fin such beautiful notchie tail lights!


They came with the car.
Thanks,


Marine1981 MSG #364, 05-08-2012 11:03 PM
      I'm still watching.

GADJet MSG #365, 05-09-2012 09:56 AM
      Very interesting build....

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #366, 05-20-2012 08:11 PM
      Not a lot to report. With work and trying to get a new place to live the build is at a crawl. I put the deck lid back on the car. When I move next month the car will have to go into storage for a while. We would entertain the thought of selling the car if someone would want to finish it.





85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #367, 05-20-2012 09:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

We would entertain the thought of selling the car if someone would want to finish it.



Wow... I am surprise that you are considering sellign it
I was hoping to see it done


Marine1981 MSG #368, 05-21-2012 04:54 PM
      I vote you keep it and finish it

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #369, 05-23-2012 07:12 PM
      I'm sure we will still have it but just saying it is on the back burner. If someone needed it more than we do we would sell it. If we keep it I will have to store it along with the Chopped Ranger (Up for sale also). The new house is in the city and I will not have the room I have here. The car could sit for years before we even look at it again.

donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #370, 05-23-2012 11:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I'm sure we will still have it but just saying it is on the back burner. If someone needed it more than we do we would sell it. If we keep it I will have to store it along with the Chopped Ranger (Up for sale also). The new house is in the city and I will not have the room I have here. The car could sit for years before we even look at it again.


Oh thats just not right. A man with your talent needs plenty of room to play!



dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #371, 05-24-2012 03:52 PM
      Oh no! I've been looking in on your build and now you tell us it will be years before you get back on it. I'm a big admirer of your work.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #372, 05-24-2012 09:51 PM
      Thanks, guys. Just blame it on HOAs and city life. With all going well we should be there three or four years.

Marine1981 MSG #373, 05-24-2012 10:08 PM
      Do you have a place to store it??

Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #374, 05-25-2012 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Thanks, guys. Just blame it on HOAs and city life. With all going well we should be there three or four years.


that is why i despise HOAs and will never move into a neighborhood that has one.

so does this mean the LS4 is up for sale also?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #375, 05-25-2012 05:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:


that is why i despise HOAs and will never move into a neighborhood that has one.

so does this mean the LS4 is up for sale also?


We hate them also. LS4 is not for sale unless car goes.

 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Do you have a place to store it??

We still have the shop in South Texas to keep what we need to store.



Marine1981 MSG #376, 05-26-2012 04:14 PM
      I don't have the skills to finish it, or the cash to purchase it from you but I wish I did. Whats the story with the chopped Ranger??

1988holleyformula MSG #377, 05-26-2012 05:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I don't have the skills to finish it, or the cash to purchase it from you but I wish I did. Whats the story with the chopped Ranger??


Go back to page four, he was bored so he put this together.
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.


Not the whole story, obviously, but I really like his work. It's a cool truck.
I really hope to see the T-chop finished some day...

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Marine1981 MSG #378, 05-27-2012 09:54 AM
      Yeah, but in my opinion it needs a V8!! lol Sweet looking ranger, if I owned it I would put a 351W in it.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #379, 05-27-2012 09:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Yeah, but in my opinion it needs a V8!! lol Sweet looking ranger, if I owned it I would put a 351W in it.



I did put the 8.8 posi in it last year. I was getting ready for the 302 six speed swap that was planned for it.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #380, 05-28-2012 09:53 PM
      I had a little time today so I made two more fender skins. I will mold them on to get me out to were I need to be. I will have to be in San Antonio this week but hope to have a little time to fit them next weekend. I will keep working on it as I can.





Gianina and I dug out some old molds from some GT side windows I made a few years ago. I'm thinking of making them and cutting to fit the notchie. If I mold them in I could have an emblem on each hole needed to put the bolts in for the rear clip. I have always done my own paint but Gianina and I got to thinking if we have the body close if we take the car to a body shop to paint it should be there a while and would buy some time from storage. We could do the same with the engine with the place in San Antonio building the harness they might let us take the car and they build it in the car. It would be a better fit that way also and might add some more time out of storrage also and keep the build going. Even with the HOA we should be able to do the interior in the garage.


Marine1981 MSG #381, 05-28-2012 11:51 PM
      That sounds like a plan!! I really want to see you finish this car. If you ever need a hand I am more than willing to help you out still. Just need as much notice as possible lol

That would be a nice combo for that ranger. I might be able to find a buyer for it, whats your price or just open to offers?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #382, 05-29-2012 09:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

That sounds like a plan!! I really want to see you finish this car. If you ever need a hand I am more than willing to help you out still. Just need as much notice as possible lol

That would be a nice combo for that ranger. I might be able to find a buyer for it, whats your price or just open to offers?



Thanks, We will plan a work weekend soon. I have the Ranger for sale for 5K. It has been a daily driver for years so it has some scrathes and paint chips but still turns heads. It has cold AC and runs great. I always used Amsol or mobil 1. With the 4banger it gets around 30mpg. but lacks power. The V8 would light it up.
I will be in San Antonio for a few days if anyone wants to meet for dinner and Fiero chat.


Marine1981 MSG #383, 05-29-2012 10:40 PM
      When will you be there, I will try to stop by.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #384, 05-31-2012 07:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

When will you be there, I will try to stop by.


PM sent


KVCFIERO MSG #385, 06-10-2012 12:32 PM
      Would like to buy but I could not finnish it. Could the stock Fiero body parts just bolt back on it? You could keep the new wheels, body and the LS4 stuff.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #386, 06-10-2012 06:48 PM
      Did a little work on the car this weekend. Here are the new pictures.






















PM sent...


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #387, 06-11-2012 07:50 PM
      As you can see the side vents were cut out and filled. I droped the bumper a little in front and she got a little wider. I will try to do a little more next weekend.

Marine1981 MSG #388, 06-11-2012 10:59 PM
      Still looking good! The vents being filled looks a lot better IMHO.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #389, 06-14-2012 09:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Still looking good! The vents being filled looks a lot better IMHO.


Thanks, we like it better. We will be closing on the house in the city soon so I hope I can get some more done this weekend.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #390, 06-16-2012 07:17 AM
      I started on the rockers last night and took a couple of pictures.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #391, 06-22-2012 10:16 PM
      Did a little work on the hood.






By using the foam for fill and glassing I'm not adding any extra weight. Body parts are still light. Keeping my fingers crossed Gianina promised to help work on it tomorrow.






A lot of sanding and filling.


rcp builders MSG #392, 06-22-2012 11:49 PM
      Looking good and glad to see your still progressing with it (hard when life gets in the way).
What body filler do you like to use? It's time for me to use a little filler on my parts and I'm going nuts
trying to decide which to use.
Anu how great work, very inspiring. Ray


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #393, 06-23-2012 02:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rcp builders:

Looking good and glad to see your still progressing with it (hard when life gets in the way).
What body filler do you like to use? It's time for me to use a little filler on my parts and I'm going nuts
trying to decide which to use.
Anu how great work, very inspiring. Ray

I like the products pictured. We all have our favorite products. I have just had good luck with these. I have tried some more expensive products and not liked them and always go back to the pictured. One thing about major projects is keeping the spirit going. I have my good days as well as the bad we are all the same just trying to make it in life and we all get hit with curve balls.








thanks,


rcp builders MSG #394, 06-23-2012 08:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I like the products pictured. We all have our favorite products. I have just had good luck with these. I have tried some more expensive products and not liked them and always go back to the pictured. One thing about major projects is keeping the spirit going. I have my good days as well as the bad we are all the same just trying to make it in life and we all get hit with curve balls.








thanks,


Thanks for the input, I've heard great things about the feather fill G2. It's special order everywhere I call around here.
Do you find that a gallon goes a long way or not ? Ray


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #395, 06-23-2012 10:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rcp builders:


Thanks for the input, I've heard great things about the feather fill G2. It's special order everywhere I call around here.
Do you find that a gallon goes a long way or not ? Ray


Yes, but I use only were I need it.

I did some work on the front and underside of the hood today. My helper bailed on me to do her hair.









She did make time to go with me to look at this









Marine1981 MSG #396, 06-24-2012 01:42 AM
      Nice Mustang, did you take it home with you??


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #397, 06-25-2012 09:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Nice Mustang, did you take it home with you??


I wish but this one belongs to the owner of the Dealership. It will go to storage being the last of the Shelby indorsed cars.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #398, 06-25-2012 09:19 AM
      A couple more pictures on pulling in the fenders I only got started on one side.







Real ruff but gives an idea of how I am doing it.


serrata (caseytyoung@gmail.com) MSG #399, 06-26-2012 12:52 AM
      You have some really good looking lines on this design. I'm also watching your build carefully because you seem to be building it the way I work, which is rough and piecemeal, and then refining it later.

I've been struggling with how I'd make the hood look more vertical, since the Fiero hood is so flat and horizontal. Your front clip does this very well, especially with the 45 degree line off the front of the wheel well.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #400, 06-27-2012 04:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by serrata:

You have some really good looking lines on this design. I'm also watching your build carefully because you seem to be building it the way I work, which is rough and piecemeal, and then refining it later.

I've been struggling with how I'd make the hood look more vertical, since the Fiero hood is so flat and horizontal. Your front clip does this very well, especially with the 45 degree line off the front of the wheel well.


Thanks, there are better ways but this was the best for me.


1988holleyformula MSG #401, 06-28-2012 12:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I'm sure we will still have it but just saying it is on the back burner.


Your back burner stays hotter than most people's regular stove when it comes to modding vehicles.

Glad to see that this car is still in your skilled hands.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #402, 06-29-2012 08:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


Your back burner stays hotter than most people's regular stove when it comes to modding vehicles.

Glad to see that this car is still in your skilled hands.


Thanks, Not sure about the future we took posesion of the new (used) house yesterday in San Antonio. (WE ALL Bundle), (WE ALL Bundle)


Marine1981 MSG #403, 07-01-2012 08:06 PM
      I can bring you a puppy or a kitten for your new house to be included in the bundle but I don't bake Pies....


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #404, 07-01-2012 09:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I can bring you a puppy or a kitten for your new house to be included in the bundle but I don't bake Pies....


LOL. Just a helping hand one day sanding the fiero will be cool. The wife's dog would just eat the puppy or the kitten. We did downsize a couple cars this weekend we got rid of the wife's Obama car and my Government Motors truck for a new F150 4X4. I wanted a 302 Boss but Gianina said the dog would fit in the F150 better and we could tow the Fiero if needed so I lost.

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Marine1981 MSG #405, 07-01-2012 10:08 PM
      Sweet, I picked up a 2010 F-150 Thursday myself. Just let me know when you need a hand and I will clear my schedule lol

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #406, 07-05-2012 06:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Sweet, I picked up a 2010 F-150 Thursday myself. Just let me know when you need a hand and I will clear my schedule lol


Still moving. Will let you know when the car is here. Trying to find time this weekend to go to the Gun Show in San Antonio in between move trips. When is the next Fiero Club meeting around here?


Marine1981 MSG #407, 07-05-2012 09:44 PM
      Supposed to be mid August. Not sure what the plan is yet but I will let you know when there are some solid details. We are going to be trying to swap the trans out on Becca's 84 this weekend or else I might try to make it to that gun show. I have been wanting a 1911 for a while.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #408, 07-07-2012 12:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Supposed to be mid August. Not sure what the plan is yet but I will let you know when there are some solid details. We are going to be trying to swap the trans out on Becca's 84 this weekend or else I might try to make it to that gun show. I have been wanting a 1911 for a while.


I will give you a call tomorrow and see if you want to meet up on the gun show.


Marine1981 MSG #409, 07-22-2012 10:35 PM
      Well there was a little progress made this weekend. Talking with Michael he decided to get the engine swap done before finishing the body. Here are a few pictures I took but he will probably post some more that he took. Yesterday we removed the 2.8/auto to make room for the LS4.

(Edit, moved my pictures to later in thread)

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #410, 07-22-2012 10:35 PM
      Ben and Becca came over this weekend to help take out the 2.8 in Gianina's Fiero. Last shot of the 2.8 in the car.



Rear clip off to ease take out



Ben getting down and dirty



I don’t think he notice the black widow webs I just told Ben I was to fat to get under it.



Me looking like I was helping.



Don’t forget your sunglasses on this one.



Good shot of the front of the car. I think we were napping here.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #411, 07-22-2012 10:46 PM
      Gianina and Becca wanted to take a shotgun break and fire a few rounds from Gianina's man charmer she got for her Birthday this year.









Sharka getting a walk break



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #412, 07-22-2012 10:58 PM
      Back to work



Gianina giving a hand







This car has to be the cleanest I have ever had look at the cradle bolt looks brand new.



Empty engine bay shot







Marine1981 MSG #413, 07-22-2012 11:07 PM
      Since all of my pictures were of the engine coming out I thought I would put them after yours.

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And after the hard work the obligatory engine bay photo.
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After this we got the engine and trans off of the cradle so it can get modified for the new mounts.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #414, 07-22-2012 11:10 PM
      Engine out







A moment of silence for the car



Car hanging around untill we have time to do more work.




blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #415, 07-23-2012 10:00 AM
      ( <--- following with interest)

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #416, 07-25-2012 01:15 PM
      talked to speed scene today about wireing the Ls4 up. When I get it in the car I will run it over to them to get the fit. then take it to the house to work on the body again. I will just keep the door close.

Marine1981 MSG #417, 07-25-2012 11:39 PM
      I think Revin has something like this. Might help working in your garage in the warm weather.

http://www.portableacguide.com/unit/DeLonghi-CF210


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #418, 07-26-2012 09:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I think Revin has something like this. Might help working in your garage in the warm weather.

http://www.portableacguide.com/unit/DeLonghi-CF210


Yea, we will think of something.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #419, 07-27-2012 09:45 PM
      I started on the cradle today





Everything looked good and strait.




Had to cut the front mount off





Looks like a good 88 exhaust system



Had to run a few spiders out of their home.








When alone you have to come up with all kind of help.



This is as much as I got done will try to get some more done tomorrow'


Marine1981 MSG #420, 07-27-2012 11:41 PM
      Progress is progress. Looking good!

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #421, 07-28-2012 10:15 AM
      Excellent. Becca with a shotgun?

Here is a picture of the front fascia that you used to make the mold on 7-23-11. I got it from Tom Slick a few months back.


Cleaned and repainted.

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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #422, 07-29-2012 09:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Excellent. Becca with a shotgun?

Here is a picture of the front fascia that you used to make the mold on 7-23-11. I got it from Tom Slick a few months back.


Cleaned and repainted.






Looks most excellent. Nice to see it recycled.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #423, 07-29-2012 09:37 AM
      I'm done for the weekend heading back to SA. This is what I did and it does not look like a lot but this LS4 is huge. I found out it uses every once of cradle and then some. It was a hot and tiring last two days. Ben your shades are here they are on the table.








Here is were I had to cut out for the oil filter.









How I used the mount





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #424, 07-29-2012 09:44 AM
      I had some three-inch pipe so I cut out a piece and dusted off the welder and plasma cutter.















F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #425, 07-29-2012 09:57 AM
      I got hit with a few other issues also and had to trim more of the cradle is a couple other places. I also had to make a front bracket that I did not have so I did not get to finish getting the engine mounted. I will have to finish at another time.















Checking the level







At 8pm last night I said I'm done. I started on the bracket I need to make but did not finish it. I wanted to but I was too tired.




DIY_Stu MSG #426, 07-30-2012 03:39 AM
      Looking good Mike! I can only imagine the stories told about the loony from up here that used to help ya...
And the pity stories about how mine might be done by K's 16th Birthday...


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #427, 07-30-2012 08:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

Looking good Mike! I can only imagine the stories told about the loony from up here that used to help ya...
And the pity stories about how mine might be done by K's 16th Birthday...


Hey Stu nice to see ya post. Think you will make it to Kerrville?


DIY_Stu MSG #428, 07-31-2012 05:55 PM
      ummm when is that?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #429, 07-31-2012 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

ummm when is that?


Wrong town ( Fredericksburg )



Marine1981 MSG #430, 08-01-2012 01:47 PM
      Looking good Mike, if it were any bigger you might need a shoe horn to get it back into the car. After we get Becca's car on the road we will plan a trip down there to help with whatever is left if you haven't finished lol Thanks for finding my glasses, I did the same thing the previous week and left a brand new pair at my brothers.

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #431, 08-01-2012 04:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looking good Mike, if it were any bigger you might need a shoe horn to get it back into the car. After we get Becca's car on the road we will plan a trip down there to help with whatever is left if you haven't finished lol Thanks for finding my glasses, I did the same thing the previous week and left a brand new pair at my brothers.


It is a tight fit on the Pass side of the car but there is plenty of open room on the DRV side above the trans. I had to move the Pass side frame rail in some to clear the low mount Atl setup I came up with along with a brake line.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #432, 08-03-2012 03:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:


It is a tight fit on the Pass side of the car but there is plenty of open room on the DRV side above the trans. I had to move the Pass side frame rail in some to clear the low mount Atl setup I came up with along with a brake line.

Yes sir she is tight. I had to go to south Texas yesterday an finished the front mount. I will post some pictures latter.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #433, 08-04-2012 09:31 AM
      Working on the front mount again taking a lot of time.





I have to cut the bolt off it hits the axel.



Getting ready for first test fit. I was hoping with the kit it would just be done but I still have a lotof work to do.

Finding out the alt bracket has to be removed it hits the strut tower.








F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #434, 08-04-2012 09:41 AM
     
I removed oil filler and back bracket. Looks like rear pipe is close also.

More problens the Batt tray has to go.






This was it. Next time I get to work on the car
I will strip out the rear engine area and clean it up.





Marine1981 MSG #435, 08-05-2012 11:31 AM
      Looking good. Going to relocate the battery up front or in the trunk?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #436, 08-07-2012 07:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looking good. Going to relocate the battery up front or in the trunk?


Edit to add (will move it up front) trying to get a day to go work on it. Gotta go to Houston next week. I will see if JScott wants to meet for dinner and visit if he can.

[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 08-07-2012).]

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #437, 08-08-2012 04:49 PM
      You can flip the Alt mount if your motor came with the stock Alt and use it as a low mount. The lower frame rail will have to be moved in for it to work though. Or you can take the route of using a smaller Alt and coming up with a low mount setup. Using a 99 up 3800 Alt works well as this is what Don K. used on his build and it worked out great. The rear pipe is very close to the firewall so some good insulation will be needed to keep that heat off it. The Pass hinge might have to be removed depending on the height of ur setup and the coolant fill cap. Also the rear pulley on the water housing setup will hit the firewall if not moved in on the setup. I used a smaller pulley plus I moved in the firewall a bit to gain the needed clearance. All in all the setup is a very tight fit and will be a ***** to work on it anything goes wrong...


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #438, 08-09-2012 07:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MstangsBware:

You can flip the Alt mount if your motor came with the stock Alt and use it as a low mount. The lower frame rail will have to be moved in for it to work though. Or you can take the route of using a smaller Alt and coming up with a low mount setup. Using a 99 up 3800 Alt works well as this is what Don K. used on his build and it worked out great. The rear pipe is very close to the firewall so some good insulation will be needed to keep that heat off it. The Pass hinge might have to be removed depending on the height of ur setup and the coolant fill cap. Also the rear pulley on the water housing setup will hit the firewall if not moved in on the setup. I used a smaller pulley plus I moved in the firewall a bit to gain the needed clearance. All in all the setup is a very tight fit and will be a ***** to work on it anything goes wrong...


I was hoping I could use the Fiero Alt and the Fiero AC but Sadly I had to remove the Fiero AC. I did not get any accessories with the Engine. Feel free to post pictures of what you are describing if you want. I was even thinking of a little stretch to make more room in the engine bay.


Marine1981 MSG #439, 08-10-2012 12:17 AM
      Would be a shame to stretch it after you have the ass end dialed in like it is. But nothing a little glass work can't straighten out.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #440, 08-10-2012 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


I have been thinking of filling that vent. It is not needed and like you said might fix it.


I will have to see after I gut the engine bay. Just need another good weekend to make the trip down.


Marine1981 MSG #441, 08-11-2012 01:11 AM
      I will check with Becca to see when we would be able to make the trip down again. Or maybe just me if she is busy.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #442, 08-11-2012 10:41 AM
      We are trying to go back down weekend after next.

Marine1981 MSG #443, 08-13-2012 11:25 AM
      Becca may be busy but I will see what I can do.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #444, 08-15-2012 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Becca may be busy but I will see what I can do.


10-4


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #445, 08-21-2012 10:12 PM
      I’m thinking of losing the rear wrap around spoiler. Any thoughts?

av8fiero (crmikulski@gmail.com) MSG #446, 08-21-2012 11:28 PM
      No rear wing = best possible rear vision in a chop top which even without a wing back there has fairly poor rear vision. Plus for me I think notchie chops look better without wings [my opinion]. I may do something similar to the ppg cars on mine but that will be it. Sometimes less is more.

Marine1981 MSG #447, 08-22-2012 12:39 AM
      I like the way the spoiler looks on there, It flows nicely with the rear end. I'm sure whatever you decide to change will look good too though. Doesn't look like I will be able to make it down this weekend. Still need to troubleshoot the 84...

Ben


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #448, 08-22-2012 12:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by av8fiero:

No rear wing = best possible rear vision in a chop top which even without a wing back there has fairly poor rear vision. Plus for me I think notchie chops look better without wings [my opinion]. I may do something similar to the ppg cars on mine but that will be it. Sometimes less is more.


This is sorta my thoughts to clean it up a little


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #449, 08-22-2012 12:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I like the way the spoiler looks on there, It flows nicely with the rear end. I'm sure whatever you decide to change will look good too though. Doesn't look like I will be able to make it down this weekend. Still need to troubleshoot the 84...

Ben


thats cool . I think i will bring back pieces to work on. I got rid of the Ranger. It will have a new home in Houston


Marine1981 MSG #450, 08-23-2012 12:28 AM
      That also gets rid of the temptation to steal your wife's wheels and make them work lol.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #451, 08-23-2012 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

That also gets rid of the temptation to steal your wife's wheels and make them work lol.


Yea I got some real dirty looks when we got that idea. I think she was afraid I was going to part the car out.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #452, 08-25-2012 11:27 AM
      LS 4 is kicking my b***. This is the hardest swap i have ever done.

Marine1981 MSG #453, 08-26-2012 06:34 PM
      I was telling a guy about your swap yesterday and he told me there was no such thing as an LS4 so I had to look it up and show it to him on Wikipedia. What problems are you running into on the swap?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #454, 08-26-2012 08:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I was telling a guy about your swap yesterday and he told me there was no such thing as an LS4 so I had to look it up and show it to him on Wikipedia. What problems are you running into on the swap?



Back from the weekend. The Engine is just so big compared to others I have done. I worked on the engine bay and took a few pictures.

I took out all the insulation





I had to remove the batt tray and passenger side hinge. I also moved the dog bone bracket.








F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #455, 08-26-2012 08:08 PM
      It does not look like a lot was done but it was just time consuming.





Another test fit





You can see were I moved the dip stick location.





Here are some very tight places









F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #456, 08-26-2012 08:12 PM
      Here you can see there is not a lot of room anywere














F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #457, 08-26-2012 08:16 PM
      I cut the stud off for the shaft to clear/

Then it was welding the passenger side hing back.







Thats it.


Marine1981 MSG #458, 08-26-2012 10:45 PM
      Man that is a tight fit!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #459, 08-27-2012 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Man that is a tight fit!


Yep I was so close to doing a stretch but Gianina talked me out of it. I had the saws all in my hands .


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #460, 08-27-2012 09:17 PM
      With the long weekend Gianina said we are going back to work on the car. I will try to use the Fiero Alternator and change up the AC. At over 400 bucks for a LS4 AC compressor I will find a new solution. I can get a street rod one for 135 bucks or might find a way to make the Fiero one work. Most of the weekend will be getting this worked out. Once I get the wheels back on it I will move the car to S/A.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #461, 08-29-2012 08:34 PM
      Well I ordered the starter and AC compressor today. I will pick up tomorrow. So I hope I can get the assy and belt done this weekend. I saved 100 bucks on the AC compressor buy buying it at the dealership. New GM 100 bucks less than AutoZone and
Other parts stores. It is worth checking sometimes.


Marine1981 MSG #462, 08-30-2012 01:58 PM
      I left you a voicemail. We will either be down Late Friday night or Saturday afternoon / evening. Depends on how things go.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #463, 08-30-2012 08:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:.

I left you a voicemail. We will either be down Late Friday night or Saturday afternoon / evening. Depends on how things go.


We will be there so anytime. Any luck on the 84? I saw what looked like a restored red notchie in Pleasanton TX. today I wonder if anyone knows of this car? It was at a shop that has a 57 Chevy and some other cars. I will be back out that way tomorrow and will stop to see.


Marine1981 MSG #464, 08-30-2012 10:40 PM
      I can't even get to work on it during the week. It's an hour away from me in North Austin. I will give you a call and let you know when we are heading down.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #465, 09-03-2012 10:35 PM
      I picked up the new parts.




looks like Gianina snaped a picture of her baby while I was not looking.



New GM parts.




AC installed


I wanted to use the Fiero ALT but had a wrong size pully so I picked up one foe a GM truck.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #466, 09-04-2012 06:14 PM
      Moving on Ben and Becky came back down to help out. Still working on getting the LS4 in the car and did a little electrical run down on Becky's car.





I started by making use of what I had.



I decide to put the Alt here.



Test fitting the belt




Cutting out the brackets




more test fitting.


Testing the tension arm




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #467, 09-04-2012 06:39 PM
      A shot of the fit on the Alt. There are several ways to do this I wanted the alt away from heat a grime so I went with this location.




Becky and Gianina putting the interior back in Becky;s car.





Ben thinking how do I get this out of here with him not knowing?







making more room for the oil pan.








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F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #468, 09-04-2012 07:05 PM
      Getting ready to test the engine again.



trying to get the engine back on the cradle






new oil pan clearance







droping the body





They always say two heads are better than one


Sad to say we still have clearance issues. The pullys hit the shock tower and the alt hits the firewall. next trip I will have to cut out and weld in cut outs for the areas. My goal of having the car rolling did not happen this trip.















Then there was the purple dragon fly.




Marine1981 MSG #469, 09-05-2012 02:31 PM
      Next time we get down there you should have it. Did you figure out what you were going to order for the coil overs yet?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #470, 09-06-2012 12:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Next time we get down there you should have it. Did you figure out what you were going to order for the coil overs yet?


Will look up what i bought for the silver car and get the parts again. I have a coulple things to work on I brought back so it should be a roller next trip.


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #471, 09-06-2012 12:46 PM
      that sumbich is tight!

(talking about Ben of course)...


Marine1981 MSG #472, 09-06-2012 08:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

that sumbich is tight!

(talking about Ben of course)...


I know, I make everything look good.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #473, 09-07-2012 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

that sumbich is tight!

(talking about Ben of course)...


Yep he is a great help. It is good to have him pushing me. I ordered the coil overs from Summit racing last night. I need to finish putting the polly in also.


Marine1981 MSG #474, 09-07-2012 12:56 PM
      I'm good at pushing, too bad I'm not a better mechanic though lol


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #475, 09-08-2012 11:12 PM
      I did a little rubber removal today. Will try to finish up tomorrow to have ready when I go back to the car.





[This message has been edited by F355spider (edited 09-08-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #476, 09-13-2012 04:55 PM
      I have been thinking about putting a small window in the B Pillars. Has anyone done this before? I'm thinking I could build a tubing frame and weld it in. It would really help side rear blind spots.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #477, 09-14-2012 10:33 PM
      The coil-overs came in from Summit.



The parts I used



I did go up 25lbs on the springs the V8 will be heavier than the V6 was and the 325lb springs were great for it so I went with 350lb for this one.









And the new KYB struts. The ones on the car seem ok but they are 20 years old so I replaced them.







F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #478, 09-14-2012 10:45 PM
      Everything laid out





Went to work removing the unwanted parts.









Gianina came out to check out her springs. I think she likes them.





After a little removal they will fit like a glove.





Marine1981 MSG #479, 09-15-2012 12:23 PM
      Looks like an easy upgrade. Might have to order some of those myself.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #480, 09-15-2012 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looks like an easy upgrade. Might have to order some of those myself.


Yea it’s a good weekend job. The tools I used. I do not have the big compressor here so it took me a lot longer but done.







Not there yet








Put some paint on the Struts







I put some black RTV around the tubes but not needed








This is as far as I can go I need the impact to get the nuts off the old struts. I will take them with me to the shop next time we go.




engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #481, 09-21-2012 11:18 AM
      Did any one actually figure out how you did the chop top i have read this but it seems that no one has . i have an idea on how but it might not work and may not be how you did it but between the t tops and the windshield is a 3 inch wide strip cut that down to about half as wide . i would cut just behind the wind shield and remove the 1 1/2 inches of material from there back . This is a great Build and it looks great

[This message has been edited by engine man (edited 09-21-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #482, 09-22-2012 10:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

Did any one actually figure out how you did the chop top i have read this but it seems that no one has . i have an idea on how but it might not work and may not be how you did it but between the t tops and the windshield is a 3 inch wide strip cut that down to about half as wide . i would cut just behind the wind shield and remove the 1 1/2 inches of material from there back . This is a great Build and it looks great



You are on the right track. You cannot cut that much because it will weaken the windshield frame too much. There is a thick metal bottom on the T-Top frame that you do not want to remove also so you can only remove about 1/2 inch in the area you are talking about.


engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #483, 09-22-2012 05:49 PM
      Then did you do it in 3 places first you moved the t top back 1/2 an inch then cut a 1/2 inch up front and kick the bottom of the windshield forward 1/2 inch . This way nothing looks really off

[This message has been edited by engine man (edited 09-22-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #484, 09-22-2012 09:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

Then did you do it in 3 places first you moved the t top back 1/2 an inch then cut a 1/2 inch up front and kick the bottom of the windshield forward 1/2 inch . This way nothing looks really off



I measured my windshield to the T-Top it is 3.25 inches. I will post picture when I get back to the house next week. You got off track again on your last post.


engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #485, 09-22-2012 09:53 PM
      don't know how you did it but it still is good to see it can be done. I hate hearing those words of you cant do that

engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #486, 09-23-2012 10:52 AM
      Well i just wen out and looked at it i think i would just cut the T tops down by 1 1/2 inches and be done with it i dont know if the glass can be cut easy

[This message has been edited by engine man (edited 09-23-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #487, 09-24-2012 08:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

I hate hearing those words of you cant do that


I agree .


engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #488, 09-24-2012 10:45 AM
      let me ask this are the side windows cut any different then the normal chop windows and this is a 3 inch chop and you are not shortening the t tops . If you can only remove let say a maximum of 3/4 a inch from the area between the T tops and windshield and you are not kicking the bottom of the A pillars forward then it must move back or there is just enough play from the factory to squeeze the opening down for the t top assembly

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #489, 09-24-2012 08:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

let me ask this are the side windows cut any different then the normal chop windows and this is a 3 inch chop and you are not shortening the t tops . If you can only remove let say a maximum of 3/4 a inch from the area between the T tops and windshield and you are not kicking the bottom of the A pillars forward then it must move back or there is just enough play from the factory to squeeze the opening down for the t top assembly


This is the picture I told you I would post for you.




I will use the set of windows I have left. same as in my other Chop-Tops.

thanks,


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #490, 09-24-2012 08:45 PM
      We did some more work on the engine or should I say trying to get the engine to fit.







Got the Polly in the rear.






Motor has to come back out again.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #491, 09-24-2012 08:59 PM
      In South Texas these things are everywhere.


After getting the Scorpions out of the car parts Gianina decided to give a hand.






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #492, 09-24-2012 09:19 PM
      After getting the engine out again. I boxed the strut tower to give me room for the belt and pulleys. I still wonder how other get away with not doing this???? Or they did not post it? Not sure but I had to.



I just decided to cut it out and weld back in.






Welding the piece back




I cut this piece out of the dog bone bracket that I removed.





I will have to paint the engine bay before the engine goes back in.


engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #493, 09-24-2012 09:46 PM
      you know the worst part is it probably is staring all of us in the face but we just cant see due to we are looking to hard

Marine1981 MSG #494, 09-25-2012 12:16 AM
      It's not really chopped. It's a figment of your imagination. lol If you need me to come give you a hand let me know!! You going to be able to make it down here on Sat?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #495, 09-25-2012 03:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

It's not really chopped. It's a figment of your imagination. lol If you need me to come give you a hand let me know!! You going to be able to make it down here on Sat?


That's the plan. Text me the address or call me.


Marine1981 MSG #496, 09-25-2012 04:37 PM
      Now would be a good time to reroute that hose the comes up between the passenger cradle mount bracket too.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #497, 09-26-2012 08:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Now would be a good time to reroute that hose the comes up between the passenger cradle mount bracket too.


Yea I have been looking trying to see what others have done but no luck.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #498, 09-27-2012 10:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

you know the worst part is it probably is staring all of us in the face but we just cant see due to we are looking to hard


I have always had the attitude of just do it when it comes to cars. I never think about it I just cut it up then I have to put it back together. Don't take it the wrong way I have been known to scrap a car or two in the last 35 years or so. There are always casualties. In the end it is just a car.


Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #499, 09-27-2012 11:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

After getting the engine out again. I boxed the strut tower to give me room for the belt and pulleys. I still wonder how other get away with not doing this???? Or they did not post it? Not sure but I had to.



I just decided to cut it out and weld back in.





Welding the piece back







I did not cut the tower. I just made two or three "dents" in the places that were to close or touching.



fieroguru MSG #500, 09-27-2012 01:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I did not cut the tower. I just made two or three "dents" in the places that were to close or touching.


I rerouted the belt drive so I didn't need the idler pulleys and could remove them... no mods to the strut tower.


fieroguru MSG #501, 09-27-2012 01:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:
Yea I have been looking trying to see what others have done but no luck.


The heater hose hard line that runs in the passenger side front cradle mount box will need to be trimmed back so you can run a hose from it to the water pump connection. Also, you will need to reroute the other heater hose that merges with the lower passenger side coolant tube, as this hose needs to connect directly to the pump as well. The LS(x) thermostats are funky in that the heater circuit flow is what triggers the thermostat to open.

On mine I converted to a conventional thermostat and eliminated all the hose connections down low on the water pump. This allowed me to keep just 1 heater hose connection and keep essentially the same routing as stock 88 fiero.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #502, 09-27-2012 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I did not cut the tower. I just made two or three "dents" in the places that were to close or touching.


Thanks for the info. I will take all the help you want to give. You have done some nice work to your car. I think with adding the extra pulley the dents were not enough for me. The good thing I have plenty of room now.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #503, 09-27-2012 08:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:


The heater hose hard line that runs in the passenger side front cradle mount box will need to be trimmed back so you can run a hose from it to the water pump connection. Also, you will need to reroute the other heater hose that merges with the lower passenger side coolant tube, as this hose needs to connect directly to the pump as well. The LS(x) thermostats are funky in that the heater circuit flow is what triggers the thermostat to open.

On mine I converted to a conventional thermostat and eliminated all the hose connections down low on the water pump. This allowed me to keep just 1 heater hose connection and keep essentially the same routing as stock 88 fiero.



Thanks, I will check into the thermostat. I would have not thought of that at all. I would like to do it the way you did. Do you have any pictures of how you cut and were on the lines?


fieroguru MSG #504, 09-28-2012 06:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:
Thanks, I will check into the thermostat. I would have not thought of that at all. I would like to do it the way you did. Do you have any pictures of how you cut and were on the lines?


It was a lot of work hacking up the water pump and welding it all back together...

Stock:


Everything in with blue tape was removed:


After the first round of cutting:



After welding:




Original accessory drive:


My modified version:


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #505, 09-28-2012 06:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:


It was a lot of work hacking up the water pump and welding it all back together...

Stock:


Everything in with blue tape was removed:


After the first round of cutting:



After welding:




Original accessory drive:


My modified version:


Thats some nice work. I did not know it was so much work to do that.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #506, 09-29-2012 07:46 PM
      That is some really nice mods to that waterpump housing.

Jims88 (stumpster60@gmail.com) MSG #507, 09-29-2012 09:35 PM
      F355spider,
Awesome build !!!

I was wondering about the truck alternator; were you planning on adapting the Fiero pigtails to the truck alternator? and are you using the LS4 BCM?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #508, 09-30-2012 01:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jims88:

F355spider,
Awesome build !!!

I was wondering about the truck alternator; were you planning on adapting the Fiero pigtails to the truck alternator? and are you using the LS4 BCM?


Thanks,
The wiring will all be new. There is a company here in San Antonio that builds custom LS harnesses that will use the LS ECM, trans controller and gas pedal, They will build a new harness for the car after I get the engine in it. They will delete the DOD also. I will take the car there then they will get their info they need and make a harness for the car.


Jims88 (stumpster60@gmail.com) MSG #509, 09-30-2012 10:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Thanks,
The wiring will all be new. There is a company here in San Antonio that builds custom LS harnesses that will use the LS ECM, trans controller and gas pedal, They will build a new harness for the car after I get the engine in it. They will delete the DOD also. I will take the car there then they will get their info they need and make a harness for the car.


That is a great service to have close at hand, the closest company to me for that kind of support would probably be Darth Fiero's group. I am at the same point as far as the alternator mounting/belt routing. Your alternator mounting/ belt tensioner is a masterful design looks Great, I think it should work well for my setup as well. Thank you for posting those pictures and part numbers.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #510, 10-01-2012 02:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jims88:


That is a great service to have close at hand, the closest company to me for that kind of support would probably be Darth Fiero's group. I am at the same point as far as the alternator mounting/belt routing. Your alternator mounting/ belt tensioner is a masterful design looks Great, I think it should work well for my setup as well. Thank you for posting those pictures and part numbers.


If you go with it you might
want to cut out more than I. I had to bang a lot on the firewall to get alt. Clearance.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #511, 10-07-2012 06:24 PM
      Gianina did not want to wait on me this weekend so she started swaping out the valve covers.



I had to remove some material for her. to fit the back one.





With coil pack on



She was happy to push it back under the car.

Doing something. I think I was trying to get the socket on the impac.




Engine is back in the car



this time it looks like it all fits.


I have good clearance for the belt now.





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #512, 10-07-2012 06:31 PM
      The Alt is on and all seems to fit OK. Belt looks good and strait.









That it it untill the next trip. the car is back on all fours again.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #513, 10-07-2012 08:02 PM
      Excellent.

engine man (fieroa8@gmail.com) MSG #514, 10-07-2012 08:36 PM
      Wow there are a lot of mods to get that engine in I wonder if it just wouldn't be easier to put it in longitudinal and cut and move part of the firewall 4 inches i know the axles would be out of line . i am just saying thats a lot of work and you are doing a great job

Marine1981 MSG #515, 10-07-2012 10:29 PM
      He was close and had the saw in hand but was talked out of it lol. Glad to hear it is on all fours again Mike. That much closer!!

kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #516, 10-07-2012 11:45 PM
      Thanks for the documentation of your work. I'm curious as to how you mounted the alternator. I see that it's rotating backwards, but not how it's mounted. That's pretty novel. I'd like to consider doing that myself.

Ken



Marine1981 MSG #517, 10-08-2012 02:32 PM
      He fabricated his own bracket to mount it up and out of the way of the heat from the exhaust and to get it a little further away from dust and dirt from the road.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #518, 10-08-2012 04:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

He fabricated his own bracket to mount it up and out of the way of the heat from the exhaust and to get it a little further away from dust and dirt from the road.


Yea what he said. I got the idea from West Coast were they did something similar.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #519, 10-08-2012 09:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by engine man:

Wow there are a lot of mods to get that engine in I wonder if it just wouldn't be easier to put it in longitudinal and cut and move part of the firewall 4 inches i know the axles would be out of line . i am just saying thats a lot of work and you are doing a great job


Yea I had no idea when I started. How does it go no pain no gain. I seem to always go out on a limb. Just my nature I guess.


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #520, 10-15-2012 10:46 AM
      digging the photo's and updates.

missed seeing you guys at Ruckus.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #521, 10-17-2012 04:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

digging the photo's and updates.

missed seeing you guys at Ruckus.



Thanks, I missed going and seeing everyone. that four letter word (work) got in the way last minute. Now I have to smoke two cigars.


Marine1981 MSG #522, 10-17-2012 10:01 PM
      I can help you smoke one of those next time we get together. I picked up your shirts for you so I can bring them down next time you need help.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #523, 10-18-2012 07:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I can help you smoke one of those next time we get together. I picked up your shirts for you so I can bring them down next time you need help.


Sounds like a plan. Leaving out again for work tomorrow. If things slow down in a week or two maybe we can go back and work on the car.


Marine1981 MSG #524, 10-18-2012 08:01 PM
      Just let me know when works for you and I will run it by my boss.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #525, 10-21-2012 08:44 PM
      I got lucky and had a little time to work on the car this weekend.
I was looking at this bracket can you guess what I will use it for?


I took a couple of the engine again.



The Scorpions were bad. We are not living there so the Scorpions are trying to move in.






I did a little weld touch up.






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #526, 10-21-2012 08:51 PM
      I did a little fiberglass work also. And put the rear clip on.







I took out the fuel pump



I fixed the top of the doors.







Then I went home.


Marine1981 MSG #527, 10-22-2012 12:09 PM
      Progress is progress. Did you avoid getting stung on this trip too?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #528, 10-24-2012 09:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Progress is progress. Did you avoid getting stung on this trip too?


Slow as it is. I think this thing is getting ready to be going on two years soon. I have lost my gidy up in my old age.


DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #529, 10-24-2012 06:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Slow as it is. I think this thing is getting ready to be going on two years soon. I have lost my gidy up in my old age.


But you still have your skills......... the car is coming together nicely.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #530, 10-24-2012 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DL10:


But you still have your skills......... the car is coming together nicely.


Thanks,


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #531, 10-28-2012 08:46 PM
      I was going to order some parts and was wondering what parts are needed for hooking up the fuel line? Thought I would see if anyone had a list with part numbers? Need fuel pump, filter, fittings, line size and connector for injector rail.

fieroguru MSG #532, 10-29-2012 05:29 PM
      Here is my parts list:

Fuel pump:
98 L31 Vortec 350 (fits stock fiero fuel pickup assy.

Fuel Filter/regulator: (converts fiero fuel system to returnless)



The thread in adapter for the engine side of the fuel filter:


My fuel filter will be in this general location with the supply/return being fuel injection rated hoses (picture is from one of my previous swaps):


Fuel rail to 6AN (also works for the fuel filter - so need 2):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LS1...em1e71e63063&vxp=mtr

Hose ends and PTFE braided fuel line:
FRA-601006
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-601006

FRA-680106-BL
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-680106-bl

FRA-689006-BL
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-689006-bl

I might be working on finishing my fuel system this coming weekend and can post actual installation pics.

[This message has been edited by fieroguru (edited 10-29-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #533, 10-29-2012 06:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Here is my parts list:

Fuel pump:
98 L31 Vortec 350 (fits stock fiero fuel pickup assy.

Fuel Filter/regulator: (converts fiero fuel system to returnless)



The thread in adapter for the engine side of the fuel filter:


My fuel filter will be in this general location with the supply/return being fuel injection rated hoses (picture is from one of my previous swaps):


Fuel rail to 6AN (also works for the fuel filter - so need 2):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LS1...em1e71e63063&vxp=mtr

Hose ends and PTFE braided fuel line:
FRA-601006
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-601006

FRA-680106-BL
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-680106-bl

FRA-689006-BL
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fra-689006-bl

I might be working on finishing my fuel system this coming weekend and can post actual installation pics.



Very helpful a + for you. I will start ordering parts this week. Going to a gun show this weekend but will have ready for the next one to work on the car.
I'm working on the garage here at the house to get set up for working out of it. After Thanksgiving we plan on moving the car up here. I have your build saved to favorites so I will keep an eye out for updates.


RumbleB MSG #534, 10-31-2012 10:03 AM
      Just wondering if that fuel filter would work for a 3800 swap!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #535, 11-01-2012 03:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RumbleB:

Just wondering if that fuel filter would work for a 3800 swap!


I have no clue we need a 3800SC person to step in on that.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #536, 11-13-2012 05:54 PM
      I put some mud on the rear bumber.




I also got all the parts in for the fuel line.




fieroguru MSG #537, 11-13-2012 06:12 PM
      I posted some pictures of my fuel line install in my thread.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #538, 11-14-2012 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

I posted some pictures of my fuel line install in my thread.


Thanks


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #539, 11-18-2012 05:32 PM
      Well I had a rough weekend but I did a little sanding on the car. At one point I was thinking about cutting the car into pieces. But I just kept sanding.






I was able to find one of those rare deck lid sticks also.






A few more pictures. Gianina decided she is going to call the car Frankenstein. She had named the old silver car problem child.












There is still so much work to be done.




Jims88 (stumpster60@gmail.com) MSG #540, 11-18-2012 08:24 PM
      I know projects can seem overwhelming at times. Your over the hump though; it's a AWESOME BUILD MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

deloreanant MSG #541, 11-20-2012 04:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I was able to find one of those rare deck lid sticks also.





That's a pretty nice stick. I'm also one of the lucky few who is a proud owner of one of these rare deck lid sticks. I feel lucky in that my second Fiero came with one.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #542, 11-20-2012 03:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jims88:

I know projects can seem overwhelming at times. Your over the hump though; it's a AWESOME BUILD MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #543, 11-20-2012 03:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by deloreanant:


That's a pretty nice stick. I'm also one of the lucky few who is a proud owner of one of these rare deck lid sticks. I feel lucky in that my second Fiero came with one.


That was a good buy most POs keep them when they sell.


Reallybig MSG #544, 11-20-2012 11:26 PM
      She's coming along nicely! I've enjoyed watching the progress and creativity.
Hang in there, I know a lot of people who hate the sanding part of bodywork. I for one enjoy it...kinda therapeutic...like some one who's lost their mind rocking back and forth wearing a straight jacket in a padded room....relaxing!


Marine1981 MSG #545, 11-22-2012 01:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Reallybig:

She's coming along nicely! I've enjoyed watching the progress and creativity.
Hang in there, I know a lot of people who hate the sanding part of bodywork. I for one enjoy it...kinda therapeutic...like some one who's lost their mind rocking back and forth wearing a straight jacket in a padded room....relaxing!


That made me laugh lol Thanks.

Keep up the good work! I hope to drive it around the block someday!!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #546, 11-22-2012 07:17 PM
      Going tomorrow to pick up my trailer from Tomball. Gianina and I have been looking at the side picture and we decided to make some changes to the vent on the doors. I was hoping it would make the back look longer but I think it makes it look shorter. I am thinking about bringing the hoop forward as much as I can to make the rear look longer and the more cab forward look. This will delay bringing the car to S/A but I want to do the main fiberglass work at the shop and not in the garage.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #547, 11-30-2012 07:42 PM
      I got a day to work on the car. I cut the hoop off and moved it as far forward as i could. I like the change. I also changed side vent location and worked on the rockers. I like the changes.










I matched the vent with the one in the rocker.





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #548, 11-30-2012 07:49 PM
      Vents cut out in new location.






Then as always the parting shot of leaving untill next time.





Marine1981 MSG #549, 11-30-2012 10:27 PM
      I like the new scoop location too. If you are free tomorrow you can come up for our meeting. Be good to see you guys again.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #550, 12-01-2012 09:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I like the new scoop location too. If you are free tomorrow you can come up for our meeting. Be good to see you guys again.


Just going to work on a couple ar 15 builds im doing will call you.


KVCFIERO MSG #551, 12-05-2012 07:04 PM
      PM sent I also need to know what year on the rocker panels.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #552, 12-10-2012 08:56 PM
      I got some more work done First I added some vents to the deck lid.










Drill out to see were I need to cut.











F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #553, 12-10-2012 09:02 PM
      Continue to the back of the car. I think they will function pretty well.













F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #554, 12-12-2012 04:41 PM
      I worked on a few other things got the windshield back in for some work on it and did some more work on the front clip. Gotta mow the grass today at the house but will get the pictures up when I can.

KVCFIERO MSG #555, 12-13-2012 04:20 PM
      Thanks for the PM, Car has came a long way from the first time I saw it.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #556, 12-14-2012 07:31 PM
      Gianina and I worked on the windshield and fit.

I wanted to add some filler under it to sure it up more.





I did some more work on the front clip.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #557, 12-14-2012 07:58 PM
      This is how we left the car until next time.


Looking more like I had planned in the start.






joshua riedl MSG #558, 12-14-2012 09:30 PM
      I was skeptical at first but I was wrong. It's looking good, very exotic.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #559, 12-15-2012 10:36 AM
     

Coming together very nicely.

Good decision moving the side vent back, looks 100% better.


nosrac MSG #560, 12-17-2012 12:12 AM
     

donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #561, 12-23-2012 10:18 AM
      What a great build. Wish I had just a fraction of your skills. Those last shots of the car from the side just look damn sexy!

Edit: I own a page after three years of being here lol!

[This message has been edited by donnie072003 (edited 12-23-2012).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #562, 12-30-2012 03:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by joshua riedl:

I was skeptical at first but I was wrong. It's looking good, very exotic.


We are not finished so hold that thought.
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Coming together very nicely.

Good decision moving the side vent back, looks 100% better.


Thanks your opinion is important to me.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #563, 12-30-2012 03:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by donnie072003:

What a great build. Wish I had just a fraction of your skills. Those last shots of the car from the side just look damn sexy!

Edit: I own a page after three years of being here lol!



Thanks Going for sexy so that sounds good.
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:



back at ya.


Gianina and I went down to bring the car up to San Antonio this weekend. Some pictures of Gianina doing some sanding and us loading up the car.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #564, 12-30-2012 03:47 PM
      Feels good to get the car up here. I have Speed Scene here in San Antonio building the new engine harness and programming the ECM and trans controller and trans harness for me it should be done the middle of January. If so I might get to fire the car up by the end of January.




With it being a little cooler out Gianina is happier to help. Plus she caught me over at the neighbors drooling over his new ZL1 Camaro. It might have been he was not home at the time but his wife was.












F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #565, 12-30-2012 03:50 PM
      The last shot we took.



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #566, 12-31-2012 11:48 AM
      Merry New Year to y'all!

Marine1981 MSG #567, 12-31-2012 11:58 AM
      Looks good with the black on it.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #568, 01-01-2013 10:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

Merry New Year to y'all!


Gianina and I want to wish everyone a happy new year and thank you all for being paitent with this long drawn out build. 6/15/2013 will be three years.


Spartan84 (carlosgtsr@icloud.com) MSG #569, 01-01-2013 11:03 PM
      Interesting build, can't wait to see more.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #570, 01-04-2013 10:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Spartan84:

Interesting build, can't wait to see more.


thanks,
The car is at the new home. Looks like I have some more changes in mind.





F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #571, 01-06-2013 12:12 PM
      Gianina shut me down on more body changes said she wants it done already. So it will stay as is. I started smothing out what I have.




Going to try to do some more sanding today.


KVCFIERO MSG #572, 01-07-2013 05:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Gianina shut me down on more body changes said she wants it done already. So it will stay as is. I started smothing out what I have.




Going to try to do some more sanding today.


That is good news. The car should stay a Formula. Are you still planning on painting it Black or did she get her color choice also? Looks great as is.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #573, 01-08-2013 05:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


That is good news. The car should stay a Formula. Are you still planning on painting it Black or did she get her color choice also? Looks great as is.


It will be her final decision on paint. I am pushing for black my favorite color.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #574, 01-11-2013 07:09 PM
      Got an email from Speed Scene today should be another week and the new harness will be built and ready. So engine harness is still on schedule. I hope to get more sanding done this weekend.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #575, 01-13-2013 08:38 PM
      Got some sanding done today.








exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #576, 01-14-2013 02:20 AM
     

Loving it !


RumbleB MSG #577, 01-16-2013 12:54 PM
      Awesome work! I love it! If Gianina won't let you turn it into a GT. Maybe you could make a panel to fill in the triangle behind the door window and fake the GT look.

Just a thought.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #578, 01-16-2013 07:31 PM
      Thank you all. Gianina and I took the car off the trailer today. Sad to say she could not hold the brakes without the power on and crashed into the workbench. A guy was driving by and stopped he said hey is that a Fiero? I said dang you know your cars. He was shocked to see the LS4 in it. I was a little shocked he knew what the car was.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #579, 01-17-2013 12:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

Thank you all. Gianina and I took the car off the trailer today. Sad to say she could not hold the brakes without the power on and crashed into the workbench.


Nothing a little more bondo can't fix.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #580, 01-17-2013 10:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:


Nothing a little more bondo can't fix.



So true.


Marine1981 MSG #581, 01-20-2013 11:31 PM
      I forgot to check on the car today! Oh well, always next time.....

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #582, 01-22-2013 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I forgot to check on the car today! Oh well, always next time.....


I thought about that when you left. I had to take some pictures of the engine swap for the harness maker so I thought I would post a couple of them.







This was the email I got today.

Sweet. I have your base powers and grounds down and will be moving forward. The routing is perfect but I will see about tweaking some more tomorrow.


Marine1981 MSG #583, 01-22-2013 10:59 PM
      Sounds like you might have it running any day now!!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #584, 01-23-2013 11:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Sounds like you might have it running any day now!!


I hope so.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #585, 01-25-2013 09:18 PM
      I made a change today. I will go with my original plan for the roof.







nosrac MSG #586, 01-26-2013 03:25 PM
      Looks good but you may have a serious blind spot.

...edit...
NVM, i forgot you will be one of the shortest cars on the road.

[This message has been edited by nosrac (edited 01-26-2013).]

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #587, 01-27-2013 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:

Looks good but you may have a serious blind spot.

...edit...
NVM, i forgot you will be one of the shortest cars on the road.



Thanks; I worked a little yesterday fitting the sail panels to go behind the side wing vent. I plan to have a rear camara on the car. Every choptop I have had a bad blind spot. You get use to using the side mirrors a lot.


fierodustin (d80cbr97@yahoo.com) MSG #588, 01-29-2013 07:12 PM
      when you modify the weather strip in the window area on a choptop, do you use weather strip adhesive to butt two pieces end to end?

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #589, 01-30-2013 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierodustin:

when you modify the weather strip in the window area on a choptop, do you use weather strip adhesive to butt two pieces end to end?


I always have some black silicon around and I use it. Not sure about the adhesive.
thanks,


Cro577 (fierokid87@gmail.com) MSG #590, 02-01-2013 05:25 PM
      That thing is looking HOT!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #591, 02-02-2013 08:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cro577:

That thing is looking HOT!


Thanks,

Got to work on the car today. Added some more dyno glass. Worked on fitting the piece behind the T-Tops and the fast back vent pieces.

It was a long day of sanding more.





I like the way the back looks now. Gianina is turning away from me painting the car black. We talked today about Silver with black and gray snake skin stripes. I think she really liked the Silver chop so this one might end up Silver also.




fieroguru MSG #592, 02-03-2013 11:19 AM
      Now I see how you did the chop...

KVCFIERO MSG #593, 02-04-2013 10:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Loading up the car at Stephen's House. Many thanks for letting us pick it up Christmas.



This was such a nice looking car. I was looking back and thinking how nice it would have been just to add the LS4 and keep the car like you picked it up . Do you still have the wheels? I would like to have a white formula with those wheels. I would like to build the car you started with.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #594, 02-04-2013 05:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


This was such a nice looking car. I was looking back and thinking how nice it would have been just to add the LS4 and keep the car like you picked it up . Do you still have the wheels? I would like to have a white formula with those wheels. I would like to build the car you started with.


It was very clean and had a very rare blue interior. The more I look at it you are problllllyyyy right. I just get carried away a lot. The wheels are on Becca's car. Most body parts were sold. They are Enkei wheels you might be able to still buy them but not sure.


KVCFIERO MSG #595, 02-05-2013 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


It was very clean and had a very rare blue interior. The more I look at it you are problllllyyyy right. I just get carried away a lot. The wheels are on Becca's car. Most body parts were sold. They are Enkei wheels you might be able to still buy them but not sure.


I need to sell the old 85 and find a white formala without the very rare blue interior.


Marine1981 MSG #596, 02-05-2013 01:43 PM
      Just found this picture of the 89 Prototype. Check out the sail panels on it...



TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #597, 02-05-2013 03:00 PM
      Does anyone actually own one of the 90 prototypes?

Would love to purchase if it ever goes on the market!


Marine1981 MSG #598, 02-05-2013 03:25 PM
      GM owns one! As far as I know that's the last surviving one.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #599, 02-05-2013 06:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Just found this picture of the 89 Prototype. Check out the sail panels on it...



It is close to the same idea.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #600, 02-06-2013 05:35 PM
      I get to pick up the engine harness tomorrow. Bad news is the yard gave me a Cadillac Northstar ECM (same part number but different program) back when so I had to get another ECM. I guess I will ebay the Northstar one to try to recoup that. Looks like I will get away from the body and work on getting the fuel lines and exhaust hooked up. I will get it running next before I get back to the bodywork. I needed a break from sanding anyway. I hope old Frankenstein comes to life soon.

Marine1981 MSG #601, 02-07-2013 02:23 PM
      As soon as I get my car out of Mike's way I will be able to come help on the body work. At least you are making progress on it. If you stop making body mods to it it might be done this year! lol

diabloroadster MSG #602, 02-07-2013 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I get to pick up the engine harness tomorrow. Bad news is the yard gave me a Cadillac Northstar ECM (same part number but different program) back when so I had to get another ECM. I guess I will ebay the Northstar one to try to recoup that. Looks like I will get away from the body and work on getting the fuel lines and exhaust hooked up. I will get it running next before I get back to the bodywork. I needed a break from sanding anyway. I hope old Frankenstein comes to life soon.


I have a 2007 LS4 ECM and PCM if you need it, Im in Austin...... Let me know if you want it...


KVCFIERO MSG #603, 02-08-2013 09:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:



Sorry to highjack but why did GM not keep selling the Fiero if they had already made the next body style. I would love to have that car.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #604, 02-08-2013 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:


I have a 2007 LS4 ECM and PCM if you need it, Im in Austin...... Let me know if you want it...


Pm sent


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #605, 02-08-2013 10:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


Sorry to highjack but why did GM not keep selling the Fiero if they had already made the next body style. I would love to have that car.


GM does a lot of crazy stuff in my opinion. Like getting ridof Pontiac


nosrac MSG #606, 02-08-2013 11:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


Sorry to highjack but why did GM not keep selling the Fiero if they had already made the next body style. I would love to have that car.


They tweaked that body and called it a Trans-AM.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #607, 02-11-2013 09:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nosrac:


They tweaked that body and called it a Trans-AM.


Yea those guy kind of ended up with the 89 Fiero body but tweaked. I did something with the engine harness today. I have to figure it out now.






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #608, 02-15-2013 07:33 AM
      I got the harness and ECM back yesterday. Should be ready to run. I still have a couple things to change but for a custom harness that had not been done buy Speed Scene he did a great job from LS knowledge and having to reverse most of it. It tucks away nicely and most of it fit great. The ECM and trans controller will be inside along with fuses and relays. I got some of it connected last night I hope to get the rest on tonight. I am still waiting for the MAF I had to order. This ECM has a lot is can do and the good news is if I decide I want to add boost latter the ECM is set up for it. If anyone that has a spare plug handy for a 98 Firebird gage cluster please let me know. I am also looking for a couple of dash parts and the console for 98 to 02 Firebird. I think I will make the door panels.
Thanks, I also have to get a battery and run the cables along with water lines and fuel line.


dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #609, 02-15-2013 12:34 PM
      Install looks really clean. Especially for one with no beauty cover yet.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #610, 02-17-2013 01:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

Install looks really clean. Especially for one with no beauty cover yet.


Thanks, Not sure what to do about the cover. I did want the corvette covers but thinking if maybe making custom aluminum ones. I just hope to get it running soon. I would not have made it this far without the advice you gave me with Joe and his help with the axels and mounts. I also have others to thank for all the help and part numbers shared it helps speed up the process for us all.


KVCFIERO MSG #611, 02-20-2013 10:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dratts:

Install looks really clean. Especially for one with no beauty cover yet.


X2


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #612, 02-21-2013 04:27 PM
      Stripped back to frame. might make some more changes while the body is off.



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #613, 02-22-2013 09:07 PM
      To bad I could not make some molds. Still a lot of sanding to go.





I do like how the panels come off like the originals.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #614, 02-24-2013 07:54 PM
      I found a little time to take the gas tank back out today. I need to replace the fuel lines with longer hoses to fit the fuel filter. I plan to set it up like Fieroguru showed. I'm also kicking myself I had the cold air st up bought but it is way to big. Thinking if I can not make it work I wasted a couple hundred bucks.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #615, 02-25-2013 10:33 PM
      I got the fuel filter/regulator installed today so I hope the tank is in for good. I will make the fuel line to the fuel rail next.


fieroguru MSG #616, 02-26-2013 06:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I got the fuel filter/regulator installed today so I hope the tank is in for good. I will make the fuel line to the fuel rail next.


If you flip the bracket around that is holding the fuel filter/regulator, it will tuck up close to the backside of the tank and keep it out of the engine bay area:


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #617, 02-26-2013 10:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:


If you flip the bracket around that is holding the fuel filter/regulator, it will tuck up close to the backside of the tank and keep it out of the engine bay area:


You da man I will do that. Thanks


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #618, 02-28-2013 06:06 PM
      I swaped the fuel filter around. I was going to finish the fuel line but I ordered the wrong an fittings. I keep ordering the wrong stuff. I guess I'm getting old. I ordered a radiator hose and it was a heater hose size. Same thing with my cold air intake it is huge not near the right size filter.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #619, 03-02-2013 09:32 AM
      I worked on the engine some last night. I got the MAF in so I installed it.





If I do not go to the gun show today I will try to work on the car some more.




Marine1981 MSG #620, 03-02-2013 11:08 AM
      Looking good.

TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #621, 03-02-2013 11:45 AM
      X2

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #622, 03-02-2013 08:37 PM
      I got the LS4 gas pedal installed today. I made the bracket to get it were I needed it.




I I messed with the Firebird dash today. Still not sure if I will use it or not.





Looks like I will have to cut out here but not sure yet.





KVCFIERO MSG #623, 03-11-2013 05:45 PM
      Over a week with no updates. That is just wrong.

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #624, 03-13-2013 09:54 PM
      Been out of town for work. I did get the gas line done today.

I also got the emergency brake hooked back up still worked great with the oil filter mod in the cradle. At this point in the build it is just getting the little things here and there done. I want to hook up the radiator lines but not sure witch one goes to what side. I tried looking on the Internet but did not see much. I did see one build that has the radiator hoses done but it just does not look right to me. So I have to make sure before I do it. I still have to go buy a battery and get it installed up front.






F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #625, 03-14-2013 09:29 PM
      I got one of the radiator hoses finished tonight. I have the hose to finish the other side so I hope to get it done tomorrow. I am trying to get something accomplished every day I can work on the car until I get to start it.



I cut the 2.8 tube and recycled it. I found a great mounting point for it.




I have one more picture that did not load I will post tomorrow. Time to go to bed.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #626, 03-15-2013 10:01 PM
      I got the other hose on. Tomorrow I will try to get some more done.




F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #627, 03-16-2013 09:36 PM
      Got a little done today. I got the heater hose connected and cut the trunk out to make room for exhaust system. I also adjusted a few other things.








KVCFIERO MSG #628, 03-18-2013 08:42 AM
      You are getting close to having a running LS4 Fiero. Nice detail of what to do and not to do in your build thread.

Marine1981 MSG #629, 03-29-2013 10:55 PM
      Bump! Need me to come down and help you out Sunday?

Marine1981 MSG #630, 04-05-2013 05:25 PM
      I expect to see progress over the weekend.... I'll be watching you. Well, watching your thread here.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #631, 04-16-2013 05:16 PM
      I got the car to start today. Word of advice if you do this swap put your new plugs in before you put the motor in the car. Also if your engine has been sitting like mine for a few years get new injectors or have your old ones cleaned. Car starts using brake fluid but the injectors are stopped up so it will not run on its own. I now have to pull the injectors and see if I can some way get them working or get new ones. As I figured it is loud but the duel flow masters sound mean. I was glad Gianina was the one to turn the key when it first fired off. I have a transmission line leaking also. Notices once the car was running.

rcp builders MSG #632, 04-16-2013 09:00 PM
      That's great, congratulations!!!! Well except about the whole injector thing, lol. Love the car Ray

Marine1981 MSG #633, 04-17-2013 04:29 PM
      Sweet! Glad you got it to crank up. Do you think that line we picked up wasn't any good or did it just not have a good enough seal?

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #634, 04-24-2013 11:15 AM
      congrats!... nice hanging out with ya'll recently.

Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #635, 04-24-2013 08:18 PM
      hurry and get that thing a running, i want to ride in an LS4 Fiero.
maybe i can sweet talk some LS4 Fiero owner at the 30th for a ride w/o having to do something unspeakable in return.



Marine1981 MSG #636, 04-24-2013 08:31 PM
      Unspeakable for you must be something pretty raunchy Tom!

diabloroadster MSG #637, 04-24-2013 10:29 PM
      PM

Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #638, 04-25-2013 07:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Unspeakable for you must be something pretty raunchy Tom!


Shhhh... That's our little secret.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #639, 04-27-2013 12:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

congrats!... nice hanging out with ya'll recently.


We had a great time seeing everyone also.



Nothing like a good cigar with friends.

Car is running pretty good will get Speed Scene to fine tune it when ready to hit the road.

I hope to get the corvette brake swap I got from JScott on the car next.
I still have a lot of wiring to clean up Should be still a long time before it is done.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #640, 04-27-2013 12:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:

hurry and get that thing a running, i want to ride in an LS4 Fiero.
maybe i can sweet talk some LS4 Fiero owner at the 30th for a ride w/o having to do something unspeakable in return.


That might be your best bet this car might be ready for the 40th.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #641, 05-03-2013 06:35 PM
      After knowing the LS4 runs I started fitting the body parts again. Gianina wanted me to post a picture o the progress. I picked up some parts to get the shifter linkage working (I hope) will try to get some time to do that this weekend.




KVCFIERO MSG #642, 05-04-2013 10:13 AM
      Nice to see an update. Good to hear it is running again. Do you think it will be on the road this year or really another ten years?

Marine1981 MSG #643, 05-05-2013 12:53 AM
      It's not going to take 10 years. I saw the car tonight and heard it run. There is still a lot of work to do on the body but I think it's going to go faster now that the final shape is set. As long as he doesn't make any more drastic changes that is lol

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #644, 05-06-2013 09:56 AM
      all I can say to that updated photo is... WOW

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #645, 05-11-2013 11:13 PM
      I spent the day working on the shifter. I'm not giving up until it shifts through all gears. It is very close but late so I will fine tune it tomorrow. This setup worked best for me. I want to have ever gear usable through the shifter.





Once I get this done it can move on its own again without pushing it. I've been working on the bodywork but at this point I can work all day and it will look the same so not a lot of pictures of Frankenstein.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #646, 05-13-2013 09:21 PM
      working the doors out getting close.



I might have this thing all in primmer in a few weeks.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #647, 05-16-2013 11:09 PM
      I took a picture of the vocal cords today. Ran the car a little and checked the air fuel ratio and fuel pressure at idle and revs. I worked it through some gears so I know it will move at least. I still have to decide how I want to do the tips out the rear of the car.





diabloroadster MSG #648, 05-17-2013 10:50 AM
      Although its a little late, if you end up to were your not happy with your exhaust and want to redo it- you can use this muffler= http://www.ebay.com/itm/330...id=p3984.m1423.l2649

It might give you a little more room with less bends.....


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #649, 05-18-2013 09:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

Although its a little late, if you end up to were your not happy with your exhaust and want to redo it- you can use this muffler= http://www.ebay.com/itm/330...id=p3984.m1423.l2649

It might give you a little more room with less bends.....


There is a reason why I did the exhaust like it is. I am happy with it. Thanks for the tip on the muffler it might help others.


KVCFIERO MSG #650, 05-20-2013 09:37 PM
      I think those pipes look sweet always glad to see updates. Keep them coming please

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #651, 05-22-2013 11:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

I think those pipes look sweet always glad to see updates. Keep them coming please

Thanks I decided to use a 97 cluster the 98 is run by the ECM. Thanks
JScott


renderareason MSG #652, 05-22-2013 07:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloroadster:

Although its a little late, if you end up to were your not happy with your exhaust and want to redo it- you can use this muffler= http://www.ebay.com/itm/330...id=p3984.m1423.l2649

It might give you a little more room with less bends.....


Have you used, or heard this muffler on anyone's setup? I'm curious as to how loud it is. The dual setup above is probably much more street friendly, and it looks like a work of art!


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #653, 05-23-2013 10:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by renderareason:


Have you used, or heard this muffler on anyone's setup? I'm curious as to how loud it is. The dual setup above is probably much more street friendly, and it looks like a work of art!


Thanks, The idea was to as you said have a car that was not to loud on the street. More like a 5.0 mustang sound with the deep mellow sound. I still have to make the tips but the sound is good. The best part was the flowmasters are almost new and free! I have a wiring mess.





Still working on wires.




Marine1981 MSG #654, 05-24-2013 10:08 AM
      I would rather take a test on Chinese Algebra than mess with wiring. I can hook up a stereo but that's about it. It's coming along!

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #655, 05-24-2013 06:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

I would rather take a test on Chinese Algebra than mess with wiring. I can hook up a stereo but that's about it. It's coming along!


I don’t like wiring at all but I have to do it. I used to have Stu to help knock it out for me. JScott is helping with dash diagrams that are a lot of help. Working on the back bumper again. I keep jumping around on it. If you and Becky are free Monday we are having a neighbor hood BBQ at the pool. Elmar and I are cooking. You will have to bring your own beer.


Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #656, 05-26-2013 09:27 AM
      Are those FR500 Rims?



F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #657, 05-26-2013 11:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierokid87:

Are those FR500 Rims?



Yes they are. I got them from American Muscle


KVCFIERO MSG #658, 05-29-2013 09:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Yes they are. I got them from American Muscle


American muscle with exotic curves. looking for more updates.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #659, 05-30-2013 11:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


American muscle with exotic curves. looking for more updates.


Not a lot to update. Just a lot of sanding.
Thanks


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #660, 05-30-2013 02:03 PM
     

Any idea what show you will debut her at ?


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #661, 05-31-2013 11:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Any idea what show you will debut her at ?


I was really hoping it would be the 30th but that will not happen. Maybe the end of this year? I have always wanted to have a car at Daytona. I hope the interior will not be to time consuming. If I had the money I would just buy one of Amida's ready to bolt in and get Mr. Mike seats to match. But with my daughter at A&M I will go with what I have and spend more labor time myself on it. I find myself going out in the garage just to look at it though. It is coming along really nice. I hope to get a few more pictures up this weekend.
Thanks,


KVCFIERO MSG #662, 06-01-2013 10:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


I was really hoping it would be the 30th but that will not happen. Maybe the end of this year? I have always wanted to have a car at Daytona. I hope the interior will not be to time consuming. If I had the money I would just buy one of Amida's ready to bolt in and get Mr. Mike seats to match. But with my daughter at A&M I will go with what I have and spend more labor time myself on it. I find myself going out in the garage just to look at it though. It is coming along really nice. I hope to get a few more pictures up this weekend.
Thanks,


I hope it is a show I can be at. I have never seen anything like it.


F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #663, 06-02-2013 11:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:


I hope it is a show I can be at. I have never seen anything like it.


Thanks, If and when that day comes and you cannot. I'm sure we could meet up in Laredo for lunch.

Still sanding and sanding and more sanding.



KVCFIERO MSG #664, 06-15-2013 07:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:


Thanks, If and when that day comes and you cannot. I'm sure we could meet up in Laredo for lunch.

Still sanding and sanding and more sanding.


That will be a plan. Got any new pictures?


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #665, 07-02-2013 09:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:
hurry and get that thing a running, i want to ride in an LS4 Fiero.
maybe i can sweet talk some LS4 Fiero owner at the 30th for a ride w/o having to do something unspeakable in return.


got me a ride in one at the 30th, you will not be disappointed or at least i wasn't.

anything new progress?


KVCFIERO MSG #666, 07-08-2013 10:01 AM
      I meet Spider for lunch in Laredo yesterday. He was in town looking at a 1969 Z28 to buy. I ask why he had not updated his build in over a month and I have good news for a few and bad news for the rest. He is done posting on Pennocks. I won’t get into the details or repeat his words but it seems the rating bar and how a few people use it to act like children got to him. He took a lot of time from his work, to take pictures, post build threads. I think this forum lost a great guy that had a lot of talent to share but he will not be the first or the last. That I am sure of.
Kevin


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #667, 07-08-2013 08:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

I meet Spider for lunch in Laredo yesterday. He was in town looking at a 1969 Z28 to buy. I ask why he had not updated his build in over a month and I have good news for a few and bad news for the rest. He is done posting on Pennocks. I won’t get into the details or repeat his words but it seems the rating bar and how a few people use it to act like children got to him. He took a lot of time from his work, to take pictures, post build threads. I think this forum lost a great guy that had a lot of talent to share but he will not be the first or the last. That I am sure of.
Kevin


Wow,...another good one gone !

That sucks.


RumbleB MSG #668, 07-09-2013 09:42 PM
      Wow! I was enjoying this thread. This is a shame.
Just goes to show that this rating system just doesn't work.
It is too liberal in how it is run. To many children, on here, think it is a game.


SuperchargedV6 (rborecky@roadrunner.com) MSG #669, 07-09-2013 10:14 PM
      I agree with him and Cliff just doesn't get this. You have a group of idiots who continual antagonize some and red mark just because. The system of moderation for someone acting like a jerk is best and the right way. I know I was banned over a thief that all the Liberals thought was a good kid. Well after I was banned for calling him out he ripped a bunch of folks off for allot of money. I have seen a few others go like this and I have seen many who need to be banned not because after they have a few thousand post the can continue to screw with people for along time.


It is broken. Rick

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fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #670, 07-24-2013 02:51 PM
      Yep, definitely going to be missed. One of the few guys that BUILDS cars with new ideas. Always had respect for him building his cars with his hands, not his checkbook.

KVCFIERO MSG #671, 09-23-2013 10:01 AM
      I drove up to visit Michael this weekend and to check out the car. I wanted to see the progress and he was giving me some spare parts I need for my car. I was star struck. I first saw the car right after the chop when it still had most of the Fiero body on it. He has the Trans am dash in the car and so much more done from his last post. I was impressed at how different the car looks in person. I was shocked on the color. He has a little of the car painted and it was not what I was expecting.

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #672, 09-23-2013 10:09 AM
      I miss Mike posting.

Marine1981 MSG #673, 10-14-2013 02:46 PM
      Went to some salvage yards with Mike on Saturday and picked out some mirrors for the Chop Top. I don't think they have ever been used on a Fiero before either but I'm not sure. He is slowly making progress. He has the brake upgrade installed and is working on getting all the gauges working in the cluster.

donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #674, 10-20-2013 06:37 PM
      I certainly hope Mike changes his mind about the forum. This was/is one of my favorite build threads on here. His attention to detail and fabrication and body skills never cease to amaze me. I so want to see a finished product someday and would love to see the current progress.

Marine1981 MSG #675, 10-23-2013 11:45 AM
      I've been trying to go down and lend a hand but I always have things come up. Next time I get down there I will snap a few pics. It's coming along though!

Ben


KVCFIERO MSG #676, 11-20-2013 08:23 PM
      I noticed Gianina has a link to updated pictures to Spiders web sight on her Facebook. The headlights on picture is cool and those mirrors Ben mentioned look mean on the car.

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #677, 11-21-2013 01:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

He is done posting on Pennocks. I won’t get into the details or repeat his words but it seems the rating bar and how a few people use it to act like children got to him. He took a lot of time from his work, to take pictures, post build threads. I think this forum lost a great guy that had a lot of talent to share but he will not be the first or the last.
Kevin


I may have gotten my "Neg" ratings from Off Topic talking about politics and other such upsetting stuff but I don't understand why the ratings system is used to cut down productive members in other sections? Shame I guess, just seems to easy to just not open a thread if you don't like the person who started it or are just not interested in the project in the thread? Live and let live?



donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #678, 12-22-2013 12:19 PM
      Still hoping Mike come back. One of my favorite threads. Hope he and his wife have a happy holiday!

sniper69 MSG #679, 12-22-2013 01:11 PM
      Any pics or updates of the build?

Big Paul (pkaufmann34@gmail.com) MSG #680, 12-25-2013 12:28 AM
      Darn. This was one of the few Construction threads I really follow now a days...

Marine1981 MSG #681, 01-08-2014 02:25 PM
      Progress has been slow but I plan to get down there and kick Mike in his ass to finish this thing up sometime this year. I'll take pictures and post anything he will let me when I'm down there.

Ben


KVCFIERO MSG #682, 02-08-2014 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Progress has been slow but I plan to get down there and kick Mike in his ass to finish this thing up sometime this year. I'll take pictures and post anything he will let me when I'm down there.

Ben


Did you get down there? I was hoping to see if there has been any progress. I have not seen anything updated on his website in a long time. I guess I will have to come up there and kick both of you in the ass.

Kevin


Marine1981 MSG #683, 02-21-2014 09:19 PM
      I could always use one! I saw him Last weekend at our club meeting and told him I'm just going to knock on his door one Friday and tell him he better be ready to work in the morning. lol

Diamond Dave MSG #684, 03-07-2014 05:17 AM
      Dang doubles.

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Diamond Dave MSG #685, 03-07-2014 08:13 AM
      What is really sad is that ratings seem to be so important to some. All the 49, 000 visitors had to have come away with something good out of this. I was a late comer to this thread and I really got turned off by all the bad mouths that were on here earlier. Even Archie was a very negative , opinionated, ass. The really sad part is all the many others of us here who have watched this build in awe and benefited so much are now left behind wondering and wishing we could see the finished product.

I would hope that Mr. Spider would consider all the real fans he had here and finish his post. Screw the ratings dude. Most of us here love where you were headed and wished we could've done the same. I myself would finish it for all the people who were hooked on this build and not listen or care about any of the negative crap that went on here. Spider do it for us and yourself. That should be reward enough.


Darth88Formula (darthklipsch@gmail.com) MSG #686, 03-08-2014 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

I was able to get some time to get the other side done.




I will try to get some work done on the back bumper today.


I just started looking at this thread for the first time today, so i have a lot of catching up to do, but this really caught my eye. I really love your low tech, but truly ingenious way of mirroring the fender on both sides!

It just goes to show that you don't need all the hi tech cad software and CNC machinery to get a truly amazing product! It just takes a little brainpower, that's all!


Marine1981 MSG #687, 03-10-2014 01:02 PM
      I just spoke to Mike over the weekend. He got the exhaust system finished up. He has family in town so not sure when he will want me to come help out. The car cranks and runs but still needs the body work, interior and some wiring for gauges and accessories finished up. Archie and him have been butting heads for years. I don't think he is going to come back to the forum because it's a lot easier to work when you're not having to stop every few minutes to document how you have done something. Plus it's a lot less stressful without dealing with the B.S. from some people here.

Front end Mirrors


Fuel Door. He had to heat the factory door and mold it to fit the curve.


Exhaust and rear bumper




Ben

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #688, 03-10-2014 10:13 PM
     

Ben tell mike i said the car looks freaking awesome !



Marine1981 MSG #689, 03-16-2014 01:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Ben tell mike i said the car looks freaking awesome !


He said "Thank You" he is actually working on bodywork this weekend.


KVCFIERO MSG #690, 04-05-2014 07:44 PM
      Thanks for the updates Ben.

sniper69 MSG #691, 04-05-2014 09:18 PM
      It looks like it is coming along nicely. I bet it is going to look awesome once he has everything the way that he wants it.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #692, 04-15-2014 09:46 AM
      Looking fantastic my friend!!!

jetsnvettes2000 MSG #693, 04-15-2014 07:27 PM
      How did you guys hinge the gas door? I have similar issue with Johnys car maybe I can glean an idea off ya to make it simple!


Marine1981 MSG #694, 04-17-2014 11:17 AM
      I believe he used the stock assembly. He just modified it to work with the changes in the body.



hcforde (hankforde@gmail.com) MSG #695, 05-06-2014 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F355spider:

After knowing the LS4 runs I started fitting the body parts again. Gianina wanted me to post a picture o the progress. I picked up some parts to get the shifter linkage working (I hope) will try to get some time to do that this weekend.




That looks soooooooooooooooo........ NICE. I live in Austin and I can not wait for you to finish so you can do mine. LOL!! I bought a T-Top out of California last year but I would not think of attempting what you are doing. You have skills and I like the concept that is in your head that you are bringing to life. Keep up the good work.



KVCFIERO MSG #696, 05-09-2014 05:14 PM
      Any new updates pics

Marine1981 MSG #697, 05-12-2014 09:20 PM
      If you live in Austin you should meet up with us sometime. https://www.facebook.com/groups/BatCityFieros/ We post our upcoming events there. Our next one is in June.


Here are all the new pics I have. I helped out a little bit on the wiring but I'm not much good at it. LOL

Headlights


Sail Panels, I think they are going to be changed but not sure.


Running Lights


Brake Light


Marine1981 MSG #698, 06-02-2014 01:45 PM
      If anyone is interested in purchasing the car he will sell it as is for 15,000. I think he will take 10,000 for the engine and trans. I believe that includes the wiring harness but I'm not sure.

zzzhuh MSG #699, 06-03-2014 03:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

If anyone is interested in purchasing the car he will sell it as is for 15,000. I think he will take 10,000 for the engine and trans. I believe that includes the wiring harness but I'm not sure.



I just went through this whole build and found it to be very in depth but seemed like a really cool idea. I love the ls4 build as well.

AND yet at the end I find out he is selling this? Man, I'd convince him to finish the build and enjoy the car.

If you get the chance ask him if the ls4 is worth it as far as like money,time,complexity versus a l67 swap.



Marine1981 MSG #700, 06-03-2014 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by zzzhuh:
I just went through this whole build and found it to be very in depth but seemed like a really cool idea. I love the ls4 build as well.

AND yet at the end I find out he is selling this? Man, I'd convince him to finish the build and enjoy the car.

If you get the chance ask him if the ls4 is worth it as far as like money,time,complexity versus a l67 swap.



I have tried to convince him to finish it and have kept the project going a little bit but he has been wanting to sell it for a while now. In my opinion and his the L67 is an easier swap. He believes an LS4 with the right tune would beat a 3800 SC.


KVCFIERO MSG #701, 06-06-2014 11:25 PM
      I had to call and it is true he wants to sell or if he sells the engine swap he will part out after that. I do understand and from talking to him I'm afraid his health is worse than he was telling me. with what he told me about the test he has had and doctor visits, I'm starting to think he is afraid to keep doing the body work needed to finish. I did not know he was as old as he is also. He has another doctor visit with more lung ex-rays next week.

KVCFIERO MSG #702, 12-28-2014 06:23 PM
      Noticed the car is still on craigslist, http://sanantonio.craigslis.../cto/4784343570.html It is hard to believe someone out there has not picked this car up. I guess everyone is broke like me.

davylong86 MSG #703, 12-28-2014 11:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KVCFIERO:

Noticed the car is still on craigslist, http://sanantonio.craigslis.../cto/4784343570.html It is hard to believe someone out there has not picked this car up. I guess everyone is broke like me.

I love this car myself. Two kids in collage and two in high school plus two Fieros puts me out on the bidding. He did not cut corners on this job and I hope whoever buys keeps in touch with this forum. Most of all, I hope his health improves.

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Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #704, 01-27-2015 01:36 PM
      I LOVE the LS4 I have in my GT. Even with an automatic trans, it is a lot of fun to drive. If the conversion was done right, buying a turn key conversion is definitely worthwhile. But I would want the cradle (without suspension) with complete axles and complete wire harness and exhaust system for that price. This stuff is A LOT of work, and a turn key saves A LOT of time.

KVCFIERO MSG #705, 03-08-2015 08:24 PM
      Looks like the car might be going to a shop to get some work done soon. Things are better health wise and being a do it yourself guy it is very hard for him to let someone work on his cars. I volunteered to help him move it so I will post again when we take the car to the shop for anyone that has followed this thread as I have. I will do my best to get some pictures

pdemondo (pete_demondo@yahoo.com) MSG #706, 04-21-2015 05:54 PM
      That rear view of this car is amazing!! WOW. The way the rear clip, spoiler, rear bumper, and tail lights come together is perfectly!!!

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Marine1981 MSG #707, 04-30-2015 12:09 PM
      This car may be going into a barn to sit until someone buys it. Shame it won't get finished.

Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #708, 05-03-2015 08:16 AM
      Fantastic looking car. Maybe once he walks away from it for a while he'll get re-inspired and take it off the market.

KVCFIERO MSG #709, 05-18-2015 09:02 PM
      There is a movie clip of the car on UTube it looks awesome moving.

dskebo (dskebo@msn.com) MSG #710, 05-19-2015 01:32 AM
      I watched the video and all I could hear was that belt squealing sound. My ls4 sounded just like it until I marked the balancer with
a Dykem orange paint stick to see if it was slipping. No joke the squealing has gone completely away not even a chirp at any rpm.
Mine squealed so loud it hurt. Turns out the outer ring slips on the rubber and the paint bonded them together.
I almost forgot the car looks amazing.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #711, 05-19-2015 08:16 PM
      is there a link to the video ?

Fiero Tom (tmorris86@gmx.com) MSG #712, 05-20-2015 08:36 AM
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbtqKJAbDtw

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

is there a link to the video ?




KVCFIERO MSG #713, 05-25-2015 08:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dskebo:

I watched the video and all I could hear was that belt squealing sound. My ls4 sounded just like it until I marked the balancer with
a Dykem orange paint stick to see if it was slipping. No joke the squealing has gone completely away not even a chirp at any rpm.
Mine squealed so loud it hurt. Turns out the outer ring slips on the rubber and the paint bonded them together.
I almost forgot the car looks amazing.



He said the belt started sqealling after it got wet but was going to change it when it gets back from shop it is at getting tuned. He also said thanks for the tip and he will paint the pully also.


KVCFIERO MSG #714, 06-11-2015 04:10 PM
      There are new videos on utube. It looks so sexy on the road. I wish they lasted longer. Just little teasers

Marine1981 MSG #715, 06-13-2015 10:50 PM
      Yeah His wife was the one filming. I told him I will come do the body work if he tells me HOW to do it if he will keep it. I have no clue how to do the body work. Pretty sure his wife does not want him to sell it.

On the way to the shop

Teaser 1

Teaser 2

Teaser 3


Tom Slick (tom.slick@northtexasfieroclub.org) MSG #716, 07-19-2015 09:48 AM
      I heard its up forsale again.

Marine1981 MSG #717, 07-22-2015 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tom Slick:

I heard its up forsale again.


Never went off the market AFAIK. You should buy this one Tom!


Marine1981 MSG #718, 08-10-2015 11:04 PM
      Bump! Anyone have good credit and want a T-Top Chop Top?


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #719, 08-11-2015 10:04 PM
      Anyone know how much it was for sale for? I am thinking about building an LS Fiero, probably with a chop top, and I LOVE LOVE LOVE T-Tops.

Distance will be an issue though.

Still would like to know a price.


Marine1981 MSG #720, 08-11-2015 11:32 PM
      He has over $15,000 in it but will trade for the SC kit and wheels he wants for his Mustang.


SC Kit
SC Kit

These wheels in Gun Metal or Silver. Forgestar F14, 18x9 for the front and 18x11 for the rear.

This link isn't Quite them because the rears are 18x10 not 18x11
Wheels


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #721, 08-12-2015 01:16 AM
      Serious PM Sent.



KVCFIERO MSG #722, 08-20-2015 10:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Serious PM Sent.



You will not be disappointed this cars lines are amazing and roars like a beast.


Marine1981 MSG #723, 08-27-2015 12:04 PM
      Car is still for sale for anyone interested. He may have the A/C working here soon.

j bf1 (jbf1@hotmail.com) MSG #724, 10-22-2015 11:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Car is still for sale for anyone interested. He may have the A/C working here soon.


PM sent



j bf1 (jbf1@hotmail.com) MSG #725, 10-22-2015 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Car is still for sale for anyone interested. He may have the A/C working here soon.


PM sent



Marine1981 MSG #726, 01-30-2017 03:19 PM
      Well the car has been revamped and is being worked on. The custom body was removed and it now has a Notchback Aero Fiero body.

Marine1981 MSG #727, 01-30-2019 05:40 PM
      Car was running and driving but no one was willing to pay a fair price for it so I've been told it's been scrapped.

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jscott1 MSG #728, 01-30-2019 08:00 PM
      Sorry to hear it's gone.