Heavily Modded 3800SC 87 GT build Thread
Topic started by: daniel87fierogt, Date: 02-17-2008 07:18 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000113.html

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #1, 02-17-2008 07:18 AM
      I have owned my 87 GT since i was 14 years old and i decided that the 3800SC was a good place to start a build thread on my car. I bought my car 5 years ago as a bone stock 87 GT 5 spd. Below is a pic of what it looked like when i picked it up in Dayonta beach FL.

Me and my dad decided that we would completely rebuild it from the ground up.

On its way to the paint shop

After the paint

This is when it still had the stock 2.8 in it


daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #2, 02-17-2008 07:29 AM
      This is when i decided that it was time for a engine swap so one year ago i started looking on carparts.com and i found a 3800SC close to me that had 45,000 miles on it. So i went and picked it up. The engine came with everything but the PCM and wiring harness. It came out of a 99 buick regal. So i tore the motor down and had the short block completely rebuilt with ARP fasteners throught and clevite 77 bearings. I also had the shop port and polish the heads. They flowbenched the heads and they came out equivelent to the ZZP Stage 3 heads. Here are the pics as of tonight what we have got done on the motor. There is a list of mods also.
Speed Pro Moly Rings
Balance shaft removed
Rollermaster double roller timing set
XP cam (520" intake, 536" exhaust)
Comp Cams pushrods
Comp Cam modified retainers
Comp Cam valve locks
Pro magnum roller rockers
Comp cam OE-R lifters
ARP Head studs, main studs, rod bolts
Clevite 77 bearings
4 layer Cometic gaskets
ZZP Stage 3 heads
130lb springs
Ported Intake
balanced & blueprinted
ZZP Stage 2 Fullsize Intercooler
Ported intake
42lb Lucas injectors
Custom fuel rail
Autolite 103's
MSD wires
Triple Edge inlet and outlet ported M90
Northstar Throttlebody
3.0 - 2.55 Supercharger pulley
8 Rib Blower belt
85 mm Maff
4" CAI
Pacesetter Headers
3" madrel bent exhaust, hooker aero-chamber muffler
Custom PCM by Loyde at Fastfieros
5 Spd Getrag with Spec Stage 4 clutch

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #3, 02-17-2008 07:35 AM

Here are pics of the trunk while in progress of cutting the bottom out. We basically cut the back out and then folded the front section up into the trunk to make the flat floor all the way across now. More pics when i get it sealed up and re-carpeted.

ignorant prodigy (ignorantprodigy@aol.com) MSG #4, 02-17-2008 09:32 AM
      do you have bigger valves for your ported heads.. if so what valves are you going with?

Friend of mine had the 130# springs with aftermarket valves and the valves failed.. creating all kinds of damage

Coming along excellent though.. I like the yellow

CTFieroGT87 (ct5585@yahoo.com) MSG #5, 02-17-2008 09:46 AM
      I remember back when your dad was explaining how you'd go piece by piece through the engine bay making it look brand new. That was really awesome how you and your dad worked on it together back then and now with the new engine its going to be even better! Great thread.

revin MSG #6, 02-17-2008 10:06 AM
      I need a fuel rail like that...

ok I need an engine like THAT!!!!

looks like a screemer!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #7, 02-17-2008 11:29 AM
      nice buildup !

thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #8, 02-17-2008 11:53 AM
      drool... nice job .....

TD37 (timdegroff@hotmail.com) MSG #9, 02-17-2008 11:58 AM
      Wow, the car looks fantastic in yellow with those wheels. Nice engine work as well. That thing is pretty frickin' sweet...for a v6 car that is...jk jk NICE WORK!!!


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #10, 02-17-2008 12:12 PM
      Damn sweet car!!

You say you are in California? What area? North or South? Are you still going to run the 5-speed? What process are you going to use to get it past the Smog Nazi's? Keep this thread going. I really enjoy the build-up...


daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #11, 02-18-2008 03:23 AM
      ignorant prodigy-I am using the stock size valves and they are the stock GM valves. I was going to upgrade to manley severe duty valves but then i decided that i am waiting for the ZZPerformance Stage 4 alluminum heads to come out so i didnt go to larger valves.

CTFieroGT87- wow i am really surprised that you remember i was the one who wanted every thing to look brand new. My dad is still helping me put the motor together.

Kevin- This motor is using the 5spd getrag and i have deleted just about every emissions device. I am located in southern cali. Just about 100 miles south of bakersfield. So either a hot smog or since i am making the 3800SC a complete plug and play i could just swap the 2.8 back into it for smog day. It only takes me few hours to pull the motor and replace it.
Thanks everybody for the great comments and the positive encouragement on the motor.

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #12, 02-20-2008 03:38 PM
      I am going to be posting a bunch of pics on friday and saturday. We are going to be mating the engine and trans together and then mounting it on the cradle.

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #13, 02-20-2008 05:53 PM
      Did you have the block machined for the increased oiling efficiency? I hear there are issues with casting flashing in the front cover, and that the oil supply holes for the center mains are smaller than they should be.

What did you do to block of the oil supply after removing the balance shaft?

Build looks great!!

EDIT, can you please show install pics of how you plumb your intercooler?

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #14, 02-20-2008 06:24 PM
      Jncomutt- Thats funny that you mention the oiling issue. When we had the front cover off we looked and we didnt see any casting flashing but the machine shop that assembled the shortblock told me that they did enlarge the main bearing oiling holes and they cleaned up some other oil gallery ports also. The removed the balance shaft myself before i took it down the the shop and then they drilled and tapped the oil hole. Yes i will be sure to take lots of pics of the intercooler install. I am using the same FMHE that Tampalinc is using on his Air to water setup. Its the upgraged FMHE for the 03-04 cobras. Its made by fluidyne and it has 3 cores with each core being 1 inch wide. We havent decided whether we are going to run the 3/4 copper IC lines down the middle of the car or if we are going to run them down the outside of the car. Most IC setups i have seen they have run the IC lines down the sides of the gas tank but we are thinking of running the lines down one rocker and the return coming up the other rocker. We will have to see what works out best when we get ready to do this.

black88fiero (baditude360@aol.com) MSG #15, 02-20-2008 10:55 PM
      nice build i just built one up a bit not as much...i am running a double roller timing.. chain i hope you bought a machined oil pump cover or youll have metal in your pan after the first minute of running..i can send you pics of mine that was install with a stock cover and it gouged it pretty bad.. but nice build car looks awesome in yellow

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #16, 02-21-2008 12:55 AM
      Daniel, thanks for the intercooler information. I too am going to be running an A/W intercooler and I need something thats going be very efficient up front. I have a spearco 2-230 like FieroX is using on his turbo setup as well. I thought about using PVC for the main straight pipes, is it non-compatible with the coolent? Just wondering if you knew whether I had to run the copper IC lines or if a rubber/synthetic/plastic would work as well.

brandon87gt (traylor88@yahoo.com) MSG #17, 02-21-2008 01:13 AM
      The pics aren't working for me and I'm interested in seeing the car Is it just me?

Edit : Pics started working after I posted that.

The car looks great! How much would you say you decreased the depth of the trunk by? Is it ridiculously small now?

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #18, 02-21-2008 02:31 AM
      Black88fiero-Actually when we were intstalling the front timing cover we checked the clearance between the chain and the oil pump cover and i had ten thousandths of an inch of clearance. I read on club gp about people double gasketing or machining the cover and im kinda worried. Is ten thousands enough clearance because i really dont want to take that timing cover off to go get that machined down.

Jncomutt- you know to be totally honest i wouldnt think that the antifreeze would react badly with the PVC but who knows. Are you trying to use the PVC because of the ease of putting it together? Its pretty easy to braze the copper piping together with silver sodder. It only took me a couple of joints practicing to get the hang of brazing. I was just curious because the copper will dissipate alot more heat than PVC.

brandon87gt- Thanks for the complements. Taking out that bottom section is not too bad. You are really only taking about 1/3 of your trunk out and since it was so small down there i didnt really use it in the first place. To me there are alot more pros than cons to taking that bottom 1/3 out. There is tons more room to fit a large un restrictive exhaust in there and with my pacesetter headers i wanted to run 3 inch so i didnt want to cram my exhaust in there with tight bends. And also i dont have to raise the car near as high in the air to put the cradle in because of the trunk not being in the way now. Lots of people dont want to lose any trunk space because we already have so little but the car is not a daily driver for me so im fine with it.

MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #19, 02-21-2008 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Jncomutt:

Daniel, thanks for the intercooler information. I too am going to be running an A/W intercooler and I need something thats going be very efficient up front. I have a spearco 2-230 like FieroX is using on his turbo setup as well. I thought about using PVC for the main straight pipes, is it non-compatible with the coolent? Just wondering if you knew whether I had to run the copper IC lines or if a rubber/synthetic/plastic would work as well.

For the lines going up front, I used 2 of the larger heater core lines from a few parts Fieros I had. They are the correct length, size and they fit up in channel like they where meant to be there. From where the lines end, I ran rubber hose to the IC/back and then the same up to the HE that is mounted infront of the condensor.

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #20, 02-21-2008 11:46 AM
      Wow, what an obvious solution. Why reinvent the wheel? I'll see what I have for spare heater lines around here. Thanks!

black88fiero (baditude360@aol.com) MSG #21, 02-21-2008 10:04 PM
      i had clearance too. i checked with the pan off.. i assembled mine cranked it with the starter to check oil press.. then i was told that you dont need a timing chain dampner with a double roller so i took the front cover off to remove it and heres what i found:

so i bought a machined plate from http://www.prjperformance.com/
i dont trust a double gasket thats a weak point and a chance for a leak.. looks good so far

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #22, 02-21-2008 10:21 PM
      The problem, I've read, is that the crank gear doesn't get pressed on far enough. If you look at the back side of the supplied lower gear, you will notice the chamfer is a lot smaller than the factory gear. This doesn't allow the gear to fully seat on the crank, which is why you see that pattern more aggressive at the bottom of the plate.

I machined my plate (and haven't ever checked on it), but if you aren't fully assembled yet, it might be best to check the clearance 'behind' the gear and see if it isn't seated back far enough on the crank.

(not my image)

That shows a stock gear, a machined gear, and then a RM gear as supplied.

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black88fiero (baditude360@aol.com) MSG #23, 02-21-2008 10:24 PM
      mines already assembled and in the car and running with a machined plate

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 02-22-2008 02:55 AM
      Black88fiero-Well i agree with you that going double gaskets is the shoddy way of doing it and i wouldnt do it that way because of the more likely chance of getting a leak. How much are people taking off the oil pump cover? I thought i read somewhere that it was ten thousandths but im not sure. What i am worried about is that i have ten thousandths of clearance right now but after i start it up that crank gear might move or the chains deflection might be enough to make it rub that cover then.

multmigs (multmigs@verizon.net) MSG #25, 02-22-2008 10:07 AM
      Looks great so far, I'm at the same point you are just about with my swap and I'm also using Pacesetter headers and have cut out my trunk like your pictures, I'm kinda confused as to how to build the exhaust though and I'm tryin to do it myself with various bends etc, also in 3" as u state, can you post some pictures of how you make yours, maybe what other size parts/pipes your using, I'm using a 3" in to dual 2.5" out spintech muffler and I have a 3" catcon but I'm not sure I wanna try to get it in there seems tight already...



black88fiero (baditude360@aol.com) MSG #26, 02-23-2008 12:46 AM
      not sure if it is right but a stock plate is .157 somthing and a machined plate was close to .115 i think, i measured it but for got what it was exactly. i see the difference on the gears.. manufactures are getting cheap aren't they cant even machine a darn gear right... daniel87fierogt who did you get your fuel rail from?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 02-23-2008 02:14 AM
      There was a guy on the forum here making these rails. He only made a couple of them i believe. I bought this one off someone here that bought it from the maker but then he ended up not using it. I got a really good deal on it and since i didnt want to buy the 400 dollar prj rails i saved alot. These look alot like skitimes rail that he designed for his 3800.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #28, 02-29-2008 05:52 AM
      Some more pics of todays progress.

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #29, 02-29-2008 11:31 AM
      That thing looks awesome!

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #30, 02-29-2008 11:38 AM
      nice build !

darkhorizon MSG #31, 02-29-2008 07:05 PM
      You might find that those fuel lines are going to situate the rubber right in the path of the blower belt, but I might be wrong depending on the angle I am seeing it from.

I hope you went with 1.7 rockers, as 1.6's would seem like a waste with that small cam you have.

ignorant prodigy (ignorantprodigy@aol.com) MSG #32, 02-29-2008 10:39 PM
      since when is an xpcam a small cam?

darkhorizon MSG #33, 03-01-2008 01:51 AM
      Since you can run it on stock heads without any problems... Its small in the lift department, obviously the duration is significant, but just because zzp does not sell a cam inbetween the "max stock heads" and "max modded heads" does not mean there is not a middle road.

Intense happens to offer some very nice "light head work" cams out there, like the turbo stage 3/4 and blower stage 2/3.

There is plenty of lift left in a stock 3800 head, and if you have ported heads, why wouldnt you take advantage of the larger port size?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #34, 03-01-2008 02:21 AM
      Yeah i know i was thinking the same thing, since when is the XP cam a small cam? And no the fuel lines will not contact the supercharger belt. Why would you say that the comp cam rockers are a waste at stock 1.6 ratio. I dont ever have to worry about rocker failure or deflection with the 130lb springs. I didnt have the valve guides machined down. I am using modded retainers and the extra clearance viton valve seals. So i am good up to about .565" lift. With the 1.7 rockers and xp cam that would put me at .558" intake and .570" exhaust. I had the heads flowbenched after they were ported and polished and they still didnt flow that much more after .500" lift. Why stress the valvetrain more when that extra .030" lift isant going to make much of a difference. I was actually going to use the XPZ cam and get the heads clearanced for up to .600" but instead i went with the XP and im sure i will be over 350 whp with a good tune. Probably when the aluminum heads come out, i will switch to a bigger cam and go whipple or turbo.

darkhorizon MSG #35, 03-01-2008 02:33 AM
      i dont like the deflection excuse that the rocker manufactures parade around, but I do agree that it is similar to taking the weight of a piston out of the rotating assembly, inherently increasing horsepower by at least %1.

heads flow alot different when boost is applied, I rarely see heads flowtested by pushing air through them, most benches pull air through the valves.

My secret setup involves a VS cam and 1.7 rockers. It makes for cake tuning, and really maxes out the stock lift heads.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #36, 03-01-2008 03:28 AM
      Actually its not comp cams that say that stock rockers have rocker deflection but ZZP has a couple articles on there site saying that in there testing they have seen up to .020-.040 lost to rocker deflection. So i dont know but ZZP does do alot of R&D. I wasent aware that there would be a difference in the way the air is either pushed or pulled through the heads. If i would have went with the VS cam then i would have went with 1.7 rockers.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #37, 05-20-2008 02:36 PM
      Some more updates and pictures tomorow night. We are going to be reinstalling the fuel tank with the new walbro 255 and running the intercooler piping and i can also provide pics of the relocation of the slave cylinder to clear the header crossover.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #38, 06-02-2008 10:40 PM
      I just recieved my new idler and tensioner pulleys from nate herbst and the 8 groove powerbond harmonic ballancer from ZZP so progress is moving along. I got the tank reinstalled but havent got the intercooler piping soddered up yet.

D2inDFW (daviddean@tx.rr.com) MSG #39, 07-18-2008 07:50 PM

Very nice! Hope to see the finished product when I am in Tehachapi for the Thunder on the Mountain Car Show! Will you and the car be there?



daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #40, 07-18-2008 08:05 PM
Thats funny that you mention the car show because i just found out about it a couple of days ago. I wish the car was done so i could have it in the car show but its a no go for the car this year. I really want to go myself because there is 10 spots reserved for fieros so there should be atleast a few fieros there to see. The car wont even make it to this years Coast Run either because i am in a fire academy and the day of the coast run is a mandatory Ventilation day so i cant go. But next year the car will be ready for the West fest and the coast run. I was also thinking about bringing the car out to texas to do one of the events that you guys do out there. We will see how things end up. Thanks for the complements though.

Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #41, 07-19-2008 12:34 AM
      looks great man. go turbo now while you still can! you won't regret it

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #42, 07-19-2008 01:46 AM
      Hehe yeah i know blake I actually almost did go the turbo route, i almost pulled the trigger on a new ball bearing T70 the other day. But then i really like twin screws also. I am waiting to see what wbodystore comes out and if i dont like wbodystores twin screw then the turbo is going on. I am maxing this M90 out on my setup just as you were with your setup.

Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #43, 07-19-2008 01:54 AM
      the whipple is neat. i was doing some preheating of my tires today in the driveway and found the limit's of a stock axle... it was louder then i expected! neat stuff though. it sounds insane over 7k rpms. it actually sounds good!

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #44, 07-19-2008 02:07 AM
      Nice I knew you would break an axle, it was just a matter of time. Now go get some bulletproof axles and CV joints I am curious about since you dont really need CV joints in the rear of the fiero since it only goes up and down and not side to side and up and down like a standard FWD car does, you could probably have some custom axles built and use U-joints instead of CV joints. I dont know if it would work or not but i highly doubt you would break another one then.

Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #45, 07-19-2008 02:14 AM
      i have a set of hubs and axles that are suppsed to be able to take 800. i want to throw another stocker back in. i don't know what the deal with it was. i had a reman on it, but the boot tore. so discount upgraded to a new one for free. the new one had a 1.25" shaft. Looked 100x better then the reman. i think it was a fluke. not to mention i was on my 235/35/18's vs the 275/40/17 drag radials. which also pushes me towards fluke. either way, back on track. need a whipple, you won't regret it either :P

Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #46, 07-19-2008 02:17 AM
      btw, you need c/v's because they move in and out. you could do a slip joint like the rear of the trans, but in the shaft itself. doing that would lead to issue's of strength also. the best bet is what i had made. i'll email you some pics of them if you like. i think they are built using porsche joints and the hubs just look like stockers, but redrilled and splined. could be wrong through.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #47, 07-19-2008 02:25 AM
      Yeah i would love to see your setup on the axles. Send the pics to dltraylor@hotmail.com also did you ever get the boost bypass figured out on your whipple. I know that PRJ on clubgp was saying the right way to do the boost bypass to route the bypass after the intercooler and not through the case like the kit comes with. When you get your turbo setup done i would like first dibs on your whipple if you would be willing to part with it. Let me know please. Thanks Daniel

D2inDFW (daviddean@tx.rr.com) MSG #48, 07-19-2008 11:09 AM

As you probably know, West Coast Fiero is now located in Tehachapi. My car is there now getting a 3.8 swapped in.

I had hoped my car would be at the show, but I am not sure it will be ready. We shall see..... maybe as a work in progress as everything except the engine is done.



Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #49, 07-19-2008 02:04 PM
      yep, the bypass is all sorted out. it pushes the air through the intercooler. then on it's way to the bbv it has to go back through the rear of the intercooler. so it passes the core twice before it goes back into the intake. i should be going out to the shop tomorrow and i'll snap some pics then for you. i want to see what i can do with the whipple and then you're more then welcome to it. just gotta get a little bit more money to run next week.

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #50, 07-19-2008 02:05 PM
      Here is a pic of the custom axles that were installed into my car.

JR/Kitcarman claims that they are rated for 600ftlbs of torque. He absolutely refused to tell me who made them though. If they break I quess I will have to find a shop that can reproduce them for me. They appear to have a much thicker shaft than the stock Fiero shaft.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #51, 07-19-2008 03:06 PM
      Very nice looking axles Jimmy. I have a feeling that i will swapping the built auto in very shortly after i grenade this getrag. Instead of pieceing together axles im going to talk to the same transmisson shop that Cali-kid had build his bulletproof axles for his SBC.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #52, 07-19-2008 03:10 PM
      David- I might have to drop by west coast fiero and check out your car and how the swap is coming along. I pass right by west coast fiero everyday and i have only been in there shop once.

Blake- The pictures would be great if you could. Please when you are ready to get rid of the whipple, i would like first crack at it.

BabyVet (mybabyvet@yahoo.com) MSG #53, 07-19-2008 04:19 PM
      Dude you are one luck sob i'm jelious of you i would love to do the sc 3800 build
i think with the looks of the motor your car is going to be show room quilty. i'm very intrested in this build
my oppion would to be go all out though like port and polish EVERYTHING while its out and you can get to it
Well be looking for a VIDEO on how it runs and please go get some numbers on it i would like to see what it
runs in the 1/4's

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #54, 07-19-2008 05:38 PM
      Thanks for the complements. Im trying to make it show quality because next year its going to Westfest 09. Everything has practically been ported and polished that could be. The supercharger has been ported and polished out to 75MM and im running the 75MM N* throttlebody. The heads have been ported and polished to a Stage 3 ZZP head equivelent. This setup for sure will have several hours of dyno time down in Huntington beach for the perfect tune and hopefully i can get a couple of runs down Famoso Raceway to see what this setup will do in the 1/4. Im going to launch it similar to the way that Matt Hawkins launches his Turbo 3.4 dohc to try and save grenading the getrag.

D2inDFW (daviddean@tx.rr.com) MSG #55, 07-19-2008 06:06 PM

This link provides some excellent info on larger superchargers, Whipples and such: http://www.zzperformance.co.../articles1.php?id=54

There is a lot of Whipple info here: http://www.superchargersonl...forum.asp?FORUM_ID=7

Yes, please do drop by WCF. Would appreciate your thoughts about the work that is going on. I am trying to make my mind up about whether to do a cam and head work; if we do that we will not be finished in time for the car show. May not make it in time any way.



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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #56, 07-19-2008 06:40 PM
      David, Thanks for those links. I read that article about the twin screws on ZZPs website a long time ago but i didnt know there was a supercharger forum. Good find! When i go by there i will take a look at what there doing to your car and ill let you know what i think. I would definitely say go with a heads and cam if you forsee your self in the future looking for more power. Even something such as the VS or XP cam from ZZP can be used in a daily driver no problem. I dont think i would go as far as the XPZ cam in daily driver but thats just me.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #57, 08-03-2008 09:32 PM
      Allright everyone lots of pictures of the engine sitting on the cradle hooked up to the getrag coming soon. And then the fabbing and running of the Intercooler lines and frozenboost FMHE. Stay tuned, getting alot closer to the startup video

Bubbajuju MSG #58, 08-03-2008 11:08 PM
      Outstanding swap!
Looking forward to those pics and dyno numbers.
If you get a chance shoot a pic or two of your exhaust.
Really nice work.

Bubbajuju MSG #59, 08-03-2008 11:11 PM
      Oh and I forgot.
To get around those tough Cali emissions laws, just put your title and registration in my name and I will send you some Oklahoma tags.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #60, 08-12-2008 05:26 PM
      I have some more pics from yesterdays work. I got the new transmisson and cradle painted and then i took a couple pics of the bracket that we fabbed up to hold the slave cyclinder. We rotated it 90 degrees so that the pacesetter crossover will clear the slave. More pics on thursday and friday. We should get it mounted on the cradle and a test fit is possible.

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crab daddy (dtucker@aquahealth.com) MSG #61, 08-12-2008 07:21 PM
      What brand and size valves went into those heads?

Looks awsome!

ignorant prodigy (ignorantprodigy@aol.com) MSG #62, 08-12-2008 10:09 PM
Originally posted by daniel87fierogt:

ignorant prodigy-I am using the stock size valves and they are the stock GM valves. I was going to upgrade to manley severe duty valves but then i decided that i am waiting for the ZZPerformance Stage 4 alluminum heads to come out so i didnt go to larger valves.

lol Dave I asked the same question

crab daddy (dtucker@aquahealth.com) MSG #63, 08-13-2008 06:47 AM
      You know frankie had the same failure with gm valves. He was running an s3 cam and 130lb springs and the dish broke off the valve.. same way mine did with SI valves and 105lb springs... It makes me sketchy on all valves besides manley. I have never heard of a single case of manley valves breaking. Not just in 3800s but in all applications.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #64, 08-13-2008 03:02 PM
      Yes i know what you mean about the stock GM valves. I have seen over on Clubgp a couple of times where guys were running 105 or 130lb springs and it broke the valve, but then on the other side of things you see alot of guys running them with many thousands of miles with no failure. ZZP just needs to hurry up and get the Aluminum heads out so i can get rid of these stock valves and actually get something that flows.

darkhorizon MSG #65, 08-13-2008 06:40 PM
      alum heads from zzp are looking sorta bleak... The flow numbers coming out of there right now are quite poopy.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #66, 08-14-2008 03:21 AM
      Yeah Dark i would have to agree with you on the flow numbers for the aluminium heads as cast. They say that they flow less than there Stage 3 head which is just a ported and polished stock cast iron head. But they also said that the ported aluminum heads will flow far more than the stage 3 heads so when i buy the Aluminum heads i will take them over to my machinest and have them port them out and throw them on the flow bench, then they will be a nice set of heads combined with a XPZ cam or a stage 3 turbo cam

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #67, 08-16-2008 07:27 AM
      Got alot done tonight. Put the stage 4 spec clutch in and mated the tranny and engine, got all the mounts on and it sits perfect without any problems. We got the engine in and test fitted for the first time, next up is running the intercooler lines and getting all the little stuff done like coolent hoses, vacuum lines, putting the wiring harness and PCM in. Getting closer to the first start

This is the bracket we fabbed up to reposition the slave for clearance for the headers

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #68, 08-16-2008 07:30 AM

crab daddy (dtucker@aquahealth.com) MSG #69, 08-16-2008 07:50 AM
      Looks Great!!

D2inDFW (daviddean@tx.rr.com) MSG #70, 08-16-2008 11:56 AM
      Very Nice!!!



Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #71, 08-16-2008 04:43 PM
      please please please get rid of those stock manifolds!

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #72, 08-16-2008 05:28 PM
      oh dont worry theres no way that i would use those stock manifolds with this built motor. I have decided to sell the pacesetters and get a set of ZZPs 304 Stainless headers. Thats why those stock manifolds are not painted. They were just on there because we bolted the lift brackets onto the motor to move it around.

Billybo455 (billybo455@aol.com) MSG #73, 08-16-2008 07:27 PM
      use the pacesetters. weld the y. use a vband to connect the exhaust. you're done. i think the pacesetters give the most gain of the headers right now. them or the tog extreme's. which are a lot more. you'll love them.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 09-17-2008 10:56 AM
      I sold the pacesetters and purchased one of the first sets of ZZPs new 304 stainless 2 peice headers. They are top notch and i cant wait to install them, i did a full write-up on them here in TD&Q also. More updates are coming soon, next is running the intercooler lines and mounting the new frozen boost heat exchanger.

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BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #75, 09-17-2008 10:22 PM
      Any pics of how you did the fuel lines?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #76, 09-18-2008 02:48 AM
      Those fuel rails were done by a guy here on the forum. I dont know if he still does them but they connect right up to the stock fuel lines, they have the 5/16 and 3/8 saginaw fittings on the end of the rail so that it connects right up just like the stock 2.8 did.

Rare87GT (rare88@cox.net) MSG #77, 09-18-2008 09:02 AM
      Awesome build man! Looks very similar to mine. I pray and pray and pray that your Getrag holds up for a bit! If you plan on drag racing in any way, it's going to be real tough making it last without toasting the case. If it's a show car and just mess around car it may last a while, but you know the confidence most people have in the gear ratios and just overall stability with that tranny. I tried using it once and it grenaded the case in less than 4 passes and I was running mid 13's! LOL.

BabyVet (mybabyvet@yahoo.com) MSG #78, 09-18-2008 05:41 PM
      I wan't to see vid when its done

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #79, 09-18-2008 06:45 PM
      Amir, Thanks for the complements on it. Your notchie has always been one of my favorites and the motor i like too I remember about your getrag failure on the forum a long time ago. I dont plan to take it to the dragstrip but who knows, i am going to dyno it though for sure. As soon as I grenade this getrag i am swapping in a built 4t65HD from Dave at Triple Edge performance so thats already been planned but im going to not abuse this getrag so i can atleast get a few miles out of it. There will be lots of videos also so no worries there. Thanks everyone for the support, it keeps me motivated and makes me want to drive it that much more.

D2inDFW (daviddean@tx.rr.com) MSG #80, 09-20-2008 06:50 PM

Are you coming to the WCF Barbecue on October 4 and/or the 6th Annual West Coast Run on October 29. Here are links to both: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/071680.html and http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/072680.html

Hope you can make the Barbecue as we may have a first start ceremony on my 3.8 SC. At least we can compare notes.



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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #81, 09-21-2008 01:01 AM
      David, I really wish i could get to that barbecue on the 4th but i am in class all day long from 7am-6pm so there is no way i can make that, and that day is mandatory or i get dropped from the academy And the same goes for the coast run, i promised Dale that i would be at the coast run no matter what this year since i missed last years but this academy has another mandatory day that saturday. Ive got around 5000 dollars tied up in this academy so calling in sick is not an option unfortunately.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 10-04-2008 05:59 AM
      Got a little more work done today on the swap, we mocked up where the Frozenboost FMHE is going to be. We put the front facia on to check clearance and everything cleared. We will make some brackets up now to secure the bottom of the core and then we will permanentely mount the top also. We had to cut out the center section of that piece that the turn sigal lights bolt to cause that core is so thick, its 3.5 inches thick plus there are going to be 2, 7 inch puller fans mounted on the core so we needed quite a bit of room to fit all that up in there.

Bubbajuju MSG #83, 12-14-2008 03:32 AM
      Alright this is one of my favorite threads. What's going on with this project now?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #84, 12-14-2008 03:23 PM
      Were pulling the cradle back out either next weekend or the weekend after that. Were pulling the ZZP headers off and im sending them off to Jet-Hot coatings. Im getting them done in the Extreme Sterling coating and plus them being 304 Stainless should mean they will have excellent heat retention properties. There is no way i would run these bare headers without coating them and i dont like header wrap because its unatrattracitve to look at. We will be installing the wiring harness also while the motor is out to make it easier to route the wires unseen and make sure there all the correct length. Thanks for bumping it though so i doesnt get lost in the archives Will post updates as soon as i get the exhaust back from Jet-Hot. Daniel

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Bubbajuju MSG #85, 12-14-2008 04:11 PM
      Cool Daniel.
Good to see it's moving along. I look forward to those dyno and track numbers!

mcaanda (mcaanda@gmail.com) MSG #86, 12-14-2008 06:46 PM
      Daniel -

There's a place in Fresno that does coating that you might want to check into if you get a chance. I had them do the coating on my 38oo SC Headers, and they turned out nice. Altho I will admit that I'd not do the AL coating again, I would go w/ their black turbo coating on them. Better heat traps in the pipe, and great service.

Never know, might save ya a couple duckets as well.



85duke (benjeminatate@aol.com) MSG #87, 01-19-2009 03:42 AM
      to the top

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #88, 01-19-2009 03:55 AM
      Thanks for bumping it. I was just getting ready to update the thread actually. I have some pics i will post either tomorow or the next day of the clearancing required to run ZZPs headers. We used a angle grinder with a sanding disk to take the material off of the top of the getrag. The headers are boxed up and will be sent out to Jet-Hot either on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will be sure to post pics of the headers after i get them back from Jet hot. Thanks Daniel

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #89, 01-19-2009 03:58 AM
I checked out that site you recommended to do the coating on my headers and it came out to be about the same as Jet Hot quoted me. Both places were a little over 300 dollars so i am just going to send them to Jet hot. Thanks for the help though, it nevers hurts to try. Thanks Daniel

85duke (benjeminatate@aol.com) MSG #90, 01-19-2009 06:04 AM
      I would love to see this car someday. Very nice work!

Bubbajuju MSG #91, 01-30-2009 06:10 PM
      Bump. Bump. Bump. For the new 3800 members. And any progress reports would be cool.

Chicken McNizzle (boscolingus@yahoo.com) MSG #92, 01-31-2009 12:48 PM
      Daniel, coming along very nicely. David - I'll be out there at WCF on Monday & Tuesday again to spin wrenches on the SRT-4 and possibly the 442, is your Blue hotrod still there? If so was the proportioning valve issue squared away?

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #93, 02-01-2009 11:37 PM
      Allright well Jet-Hot is shipping out the coated headers tomorow so i will have some nice shiny pieces in my possession by friday hopefully. Will post pics and my thoughts on dealing with JetHot when they arrive.

85duke- You might just get to see this car someday, i have applied for CHP and im awaiting my physical and oral interviews next month so if i get accepted into the academy i will move up there to sacramento and the car will come with me. So probably by August or September is when i will move up there.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #94, 02-23-2009 02:05 PM
      Allright well i finally got pics of the coated headers. I posted a review about how it went with Jet-Hot and i am very happy with what they did. Heres the pics for everyone, now we just have to get them on the motor and then it will go back into the car for the final time. Getting closer to the first start

BabyVet (mybabyvet@yahoo.com) MSG #95, 03-02-2009 12:16 AM
      looks good man keep it up

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #96, 03-02-2009 02:40 AM
      I hope cliff sees this so he can move it into the construction section with all the other good build threads.

BabyVet (mybabyvet@yahoo.com) MSG #97, 03-02-2009 01:33 PM
Originally posted by daniel87fierogt:

I hope cliff sees this so he can move it into the construction section with all the other good build threads.

just P.m him and he will move it

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #98, 06-17-2009 07:39 PM
      A big update is coming soon with lots of pics so this is just to let everyone know that i havent abandoned the car.

Bubbajuju MSG #99, 06-17-2009 10:20 PM
      Right On. Looking forward to it.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #100, 06-24-2009 06:04 PM
      I have decided to buy some F40 transmissions for the swap also. I am going to run the getrag until it grenades and then in with the 6 speed The transmissions came with the hydraulic throwout bearings also. They are the 2006 models so they have the better gearing than the newer boxes. I cant wait to drive it with one of these in it.

darkhorizon MSG #101, 06-24-2009 07:42 PM
      Nice that they came with htob's... but still, F40's fail.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 06-25-2009 09:16 PM
      yeah well im gonna put a lsd in the one thats going to be behind my 3800SC and we will see what some drag radials and a sticky track will do to one

darkhorizon MSG #103, 06-25-2009 10:02 PM
Originally posted by daniel87fierogt:

yeah well im gonna put a lsd in the one thats going to be behind my 3800SC and we will see what some drag radials and a sticky track will do to one

What LSD? I didnt think OBX made lsd's for the F40 (that is reserved for the factory race trans f23).... the quaife is just a joke to the wallet....

BabyVet (mybabyvet@yahoo.com) MSG #104, 06-26-2009 12:48 AM
      ya LSD for sure launch it at 4,500 and see what happens lol maybe she'll hook up and you can pull some good times outta it!!! thats awesome that you got them cheap or at a good price!!!

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #105, 06-26-2009 02:15 AM
      Well i was going to go with the quaife even though it is pretty pricey, i got a good enough deal on these transmissions that i can warrant spending the money on a good lsd.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #106, 07-07-2009 09:17 PM
      Well today the big brown truck brought me my side scoops from Fiero fiberglass. They are the GT Style #1, and they arrived very well packed and they look great. I will be taking them to the paint shop very soon to have them painted. I have to cut the openings out and the mounting holes first. After they are painted i will put the 1/4" black honeycomb mesh in the openings. The swap moves foreward steadily and i want to thank Jimmy for providing these to the fiero community.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #107, 10-26-2009 01:24 PM
      A big update is coming soon. Hopefully it will be ready for the first startup here next month.

Kitskaboodle (kitting@finisar.com) MSG #108, 10-26-2009 02:32 PM
      Sorry...totally off-topic here:
Every time I drive down the street from my house I think of you and your dad.

Yep, that 88 GT is still for sale and probably will be for life.

Speaking of Fiero's, there is an honest-to-goodness Fiero Tessarosa re-body
at a used car lot just a little ways down the road.
Name of the place is Lotus Car Sales but alas, I dont know their phone# and cant
find it using Information/411 or the internet!


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #109, 01-03-2010 11:11 PM
      bump for update

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 01-04-2010 06:13 AM
      We will be fitting Jimmys GT1 Style sidescoops on the car soon, i will post pictures of that. I have to take them down to be painted and then i will post pics of them finished and on the car also. We havent started the motor for the first time yet because we have to finish mounting the FMHE and the pump. All thats left to do is make the exhaust up and the motor swap will be done. Thanks Daniel

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #111, 01-06-2010 06:10 PM
      Bump for info.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #112, 05-11-2010 12:56 AM
      Allright well the header bolts from Percys high performance came in, and rodneys alluminum cradle mounts came in also The car next week is going up to West Coast fiero so they can make the A/C lines up and build the exhaust for the swap.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 05-12-2010 04:44 AM
      Got the front mount heat exchanger mounted today. We welded a frame together that goes all the way around the HE so that it uses the two top mounting tabs and the two lower mounting tabs. This thing is very heavy duty, it weighs about 20-25 pounds so we wanted to support it very securely. All thats left to do is mount the pump and run the lines.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #114, 05-20-2010 05:15 PM
      Making steady progress now, Got the JetHot coated ZZP headers installed last night and we notched the decklid out for the supercharger snout. We will put the rear suspension back under it so it can go up to West Coast Fiero, they will be making the A/C lines, the exhaust system and a couple other needed pieces for the swap.

This picture shows the dipstick and you can kind of see the insulation we put around it. Thanks Rick for the idea!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #115, 05-20-2010 07:50 PM
      Wow, that looks extremely clean and well put together.


88GTS (avanvuuren@shaw.ca) MSG #116, 05-20-2010 11:11 PM
      Hi Daniel,

What size and water capacity is your heat exchanger and how did you determine the capacity for your application?


daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #117, 05-21-2010 06:03 AM
      Thanks doublec4 for the kind words, it has been 3 long years since i started this swap and it finally in the next few months is going to get wrapped up. It will be finished in time for the coast run in october so that will be its first spirited drive

88GTS- Im not exactly sure on the total capacity of the intercooler system yet but we figure it will be between 1-2 gallons and thats without a 1 1/2 gallon ice box that will bring the total system capacity up to atleast 3 gallons. The frozen boost heat exchanger has been pretty widely used by the Grand Prix GTP guys and they have excellent results using it. I will have temp guages on the in and out of the intercooler HE so we will see just how well it works.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #118, 06-01-2010 06:11 PM
      Here are pictures of the thermostat housing we made up for the swap. It uses a 3/8 flange with the bottom of a 4 cyl duke welded to the flange and then the 2.8 V6 thermostat housing welded on top of the duke piece. We used this reducer so that we could use the factory o-ring that seals the thermostat housing to the lower intake manifold. I like using o-rings wherever possible instead of paper gaskets and this utilizes the factory o-ring. Another reason I also wanted the top of the thermostat housing taller because im running the ZZP fullsize intercooler which raises the supercharger up 2 1/4 inches. Another must have was being able to use the factory fiero thermostat for ease of replacement so i got that also. We finished up putting all the rear suspension back on it and it is ready to be trailered up to west coast fiero. Hope you guys enjoy the pics. Thanks Daniel

ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #119, 06-01-2010 11:51 PM
      Holy sweet swap. THIS is how you do an L67...

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daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #120, 06-02-2010 12:03 AM
      I finally got into the construction zone

Fiero Reagan (reaganfilms@hotmail.com) MSG #121, 06-05-2010 11:54 PM
      Congrats man. Going to keep my eye on this thread

GADJet MSG #122, 09-16-2010 11:46 PM
      Courtesy Bump!

Any update on this? I am searching a 3800SC conversion.

nosrac MSG #123, 09-18-2010 05:50 PM
      Who is making your wiring harness? II would hate to see all that beauty jacked up with wires everywhere.

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #124, 09-18-2010 09:18 PM
Originally posted by daniel87fierogt:

Well today the big brown truck brought me my side scoops from Fiero fiberglass. They are the GT Style #1, and they arrived very well packed and they look great. I will be taking them to the paint shop very soon to have them painted. I have to cut the openings out and the mounting holes first. After they are painted i will put the 1/4" black honeycomb mesh in the openings. The swap moves foreward steadily and i want to thank Jimmy for providing these to the fiero community.

Your welcome and thanks for the purchase and review of the Scoops. I can't wait to see them installed. Don't forget to email me some high res pics once the car is finished.


P.S. That motor looks schweet! How much HP do you think you will have?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #125, 09-18-2010 10:37 PM
      Update on the progress: Since we got the headers installed the only thing left to do is to take it up to West Coast Fiero so they can make up the full 3 inch exhaust for it and make the A/C lines. We still have to run the intercooler lines and mount the pump also. Progress has stopped right now because in a month i am going in for shoulder surgery. Hopefully i will be back and taking it up to west coast fiero right around the begining of the new year.

Nosrac, PBJ did my harness. We will be routing the harness as hidden as possible, the coils are going to be mounted down low where fastfieros mounts his. We are going for the cleanest look with no wires seen.

Jimmy- I will be sure to send you some high res pics when they get painted and installed. Thanks for the kind words, it keeps my motovation up and keeps me wanting to finish it. It will be dynoed after it is broke in and we are shooting for 375 WHP.

PRFiero (romanp@miamidade.gov) MSG #126, 10-07-2010 03:16 PM
      I am not sure if you have already indicated it before but who makes the fuel rail you are using? thanks

Odin MSG #127, 10-28-2010 10:24 PM
      This car is going to be a rocket! what time are you looking for in the 1/4 mile? You definitely have to post a video of it on the track!

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #128, 11-17-2010 12:49 AM
      Allright everyone we trailered the car up to West Coast Fiero today!!! Chris and steve are going to work there magic on my car. There going to make up the exhaust, the ac lines, fab up a couple brackets, make the offset dogbone, and make the coolant pipe for the drivers side. All i will have to do is put some heat shielding on some wires and hoses and put the wiring harness on and the swap should be running and driving. Im so happy that this is almost done, its been 4 years since i started this 3800 swap and it almost finished. I thought i was going to beat qwikgta on the longest time to complete a swap but it looks like in the next few months it should be done.

PRFiero- The rail i am using the stock rail but very modified, it uses the stock pieces of the rail that the injectors clip into and the fuel is routed around the supercharger instead of over like stock. The write-up is here on the forum, its fairly easy to make, just takes time and you have to know how to solder. I will upgrade to the zzp rails or the prj rails when i need a adjustable fuel pressure regulator.

Odin- On paper the car should be a high 11 sec car but in the real world and since im running the getrag i dont know if i will ever take it to the dragstrip. I will get it dynoed so we will be able to theoretically see what kind of time it would do but who knows i might decide to take it to the track.

magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #129, 01-24-2011 11:23 PM

Stubby79 MSG #130, 01-25-2011 11:36 AM
      I like the painted underside of your decklid! It's a nice touch.

my86fiero (gtfiero86@live.com) MSG #131, 03-22-2011 10:52 PM

Jfrost MSG #132, 03-23-2011 04:25 PM
      Awesome build so far. I'm curious to see how WCF runs your exhaust with the ZZP headers as I will be installing a set on my L67 swap. Look forward to more updates!

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 03-23-2011 05:59 PM
      Well the car is back in my possesion now, the exhaust looks really good. I did have to cut the bottom 1/3 out of my trunk because the ZZP headers dump so far down and out. WCF used full mandrel 3 inch in and 2 1/2 dual outs. I used the quiter larger spintech muffler they offer. I would have taken some pictures when i picked it up but it was raining and sleeting so i didnt have time. All i have to purchase now is the champion radiator and the belts and then i will get the first startup on video. I lost my job a couple of months ago so next week i have an interview so the progress is slow right now. I will take some close-up pics of the exhaust when we do the first startup. Thanks Daniel

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Jfrost MSG #134, 03-26-2011 02:53 PM
      The suspense is killer! I really want to see how the exhaust turned out!

Ruffy MSG #135, 03-26-2011 04:46 PM
      a youtube video is a must when you get it running!

Jeromey Cummins (j-cummins@sbcglobal.net) MSG #136, 04-02-2011 08:48 AM
      Wow, love the looks of the motor. Cant wait to see some numbers!

That One Guy MSG #137, 04-05-2011 10:08 PM
      That is a beautiful car.

Jfrost MSG #138, 04-09-2011 01:32 AM
      Any updates? I really want to see how the exhaust turned out with the ZZP headers!

Jfrost MSG #139, 05-05-2011 09:57 PM
      Bump for any updates and to keep this on the first page!

nosrac MSG #140, 07-28-2011 02:01 PM

Logan (dyno1385@aol.com) MSG #141, 08-28-2011 12:24 PM
      Did You Solder Or Tig Weld your Fuel rail?

Jfrost MSG #142, 10-06-2011 05:09 PM
      Bump, any updates on this car?

j bf1 (jbf1@hotmail.com) MSG #143, 10-04-2012 11:36 PM
      Any progress??

86GTJohn (hmsbandgeeks2011@aol.com) MSG #144, 10-05-2012 05:59 AM
      bump... i want to see how the trunk and exhaust turned out

Curtisk1060 (golferkos@comcast.net) MSG #145, 03-21-2013 12:52 PM
      Concerning your awesome 3800SC build, I noticed it appears you simply re-used the stock 88 type alternator bracket to mount it lower, is that correct? And, where did you get the aluminum piece above it for the new idler as well as the upper engine mount to get back to the stock location. Were those custom built as well?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #146, 06-01-2013 04:25 PM
      Okay well we are finally in the home stretch with finishing up the swap now. I just moved into our new house that has a full garage so the progress has been steady. In the last few weeks we removed the cradle one last time to wrap the headers, I bought the DEI titanium wrap which looks to be a pretty good product. I ordered the Nitto Invo tires and the new wheels are on there way. I did take pictures for the people that were asking about what it looked like. Just have to put all the heat protection on the wires and install the wiring harness and then I will video the first startup. The fuel rail is soldered not tig welded. I am using a different low mount alt bracket since I am using the 99+ alternator and the dogbone mount has been moved to the back of the head where the EGR is normally mounted. I am using the WCF mount which is very nicely made.

hercimer01 MSG #147, 06-01-2013 10:19 PM
      Dude! Thats Crazy!!

DPoppelll (danpoppell@att.net) MSG #148, 07-14-2013 07:54 PM
      I may have missed it, but did you wind up going with the F40 trans? I'm starting my 3800 SC swap (gonna take a very long time, limited budget and all) and I got it with the stock automatic trans, and I've been looking at that F40 for a while, but if it's too much hassle I'd rather save the headache.

Great build, looks phenomenal.


daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #149, 11-23-2013 09:50 PM
      I finally started it up for the first time today. It ran great, only minor things to get done and then it will be ready for a test ride. I am using the getrag for now and I have the brand new F40 waiting for when the getrag decides to let go.

1fast2m4 MSG #150, 11-24-2013 10:47 PM
      I just saw your startup post, the car sounds good, did you need to cut the trunk out with those headers?

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #151, 11-25-2013 05:59 PM
      yes I cut the bottom 1/3 of the trunk out. As small as the trunk is on the fiero and I don't use my fiero as my daily driver so I don't even miss that little bit of space I lost.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #152, 12-01-2013 08:56 AM
      Working on getting the intercooler pump, lines, and heat exchanger mounted so I can take it out for a test drive

[This message has been edited by daniel87fierogt (edited 12-01-2013).]

zkhennings MSG #153, 02-25-2014 04:45 PM
      Bump! It's looking awesome!

Tweeder MSG #154, 02-28-2014 12:21 AM
      Sweet. Any probs with the clearance between the supercharger and deck lid due to the added height if the intercooler?