Mattwa's 3.4/4T60 Project
Topic started by: mattwa, Date: 06-22-2009 12:42 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000110.html


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #1, 06-22-2009 12:42 AM
      Welcome to my Build thread. It has been a long journey and will continue to be so as I continually improve my Fiero. I'm adding this as kind of a "Prologue" to the start of my engine swap. I bought My Fiero In May of 2008, It came from Akron, Ohio, and was in rough mechinal shape.


We fixed it up the best we could, and it ran a whole lot better, but the engine never seemed to run right, even with only 50K miles on the clock. Even so, I drove it until June of 2009 when I decided enough was enough. This is when I decided "The Gold Rush Project" would begin. I decided not to do a Turbo install at this time, as I just want to enjoy my car and get it running. I may do a supercharger in the future.

Here is the start of my original build thread.
I removed the engine cradle from my Fiero this weekend. It wasn't that easy at all I'll say that right now, but fun and exciting! So Friday I start with my friend Alex, i had to work at 5 so we did the most we could. We removed most of the stuff on the top of the engine, jacked the car up, spilled coolant all over the driveway (did that today too :P).

So this is where I started today at about 1pm.

Here I am hard at work. I'm not going to explain everything I did, but it was quite "fun".





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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #2, 06-22-2009 12:44 AM
      Then I had to first lower the car back down, remove the 4 cradle bolts, (FUN) and then raise the whole car up.



AND ITS OUT!!!
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Hey! Something is missing here.




In the garage it goes.

DONE!

Took a very long time, but I'm 17 and the only one with decent skills so I'd surprise we got it out period.

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DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #3, 06-22-2009 12:49 AM
      Sweet!!

But why did you take it out?


Mike Gonzalez (mgonz34773@aol.com) MSG #4, 06-22-2009 12:51 AM
      Couldnt have been that dirty, them duds still look pretty white !!!

Good Job, What are your plans ?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #5, 06-22-2009 12:51 AM
      Oh crap i forgot that part.
4t60 swap, port exhaust logs, 7730 computer, lots of cleaning and painting, my cradle is rusting away, powdercoat intake.
Bunch of stuff.

Brand new rear suspension pretty much.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #6, 06-22-2009 12:52 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez:

Couldnt have been that dirty, them duds still look pretty white !!!

Good Job, What are your plans ?


Duds? What are duds?


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #7, 06-22-2009 01:01 AM
      Impressive Matt! Keep up the good work and please make sure she see the road again!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #8, 06-22-2009 01:14 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by DeLorean00:

Impressive Matt! Keep up the good work and please make sure she see the road again!


Of course she will! it won't be soon though...maybe 4-6 months.
But I'm glad I did it. the 2.8 was getting 18mpg. Timing issues. and the biggest reason is the rust. Cradle is shot, so is my trunk corner, and my battery area. Im going to be moving it up front anyway.

Any one have a idea what I can put in the battery's place? turbo?


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #9, 06-22-2009 01:34 AM
      sick. how long did it take you ?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #10, 06-22-2009 01:42 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by IVANNATINKLE:

sick. how long did it take you ?


Too long. People do it in like 1-3 hours if they good at it. Yea, ok mine took 2 DAYS. *listens to gasps in the crowd*
No problem. its done now.


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #11, 06-22-2009 01:47 AM
      thats not to bad your 17 was it your first time dropping one?... I would probably take about the same amount of time

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #12, 06-22-2009 01:52 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by IVANNATINKLE:

thats not to bad your 17 was it your first time dropping one?... I would probably take about the same amount of time


Yep first time. First time doing anything. I haven't even removed a caliper yet so i think i did good.

Edit: Oh and if anyone was wondering, that red 85 GT is my dad's. Yes it runs great, i just happened to be working on it at the time.

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James_GT (jhorley@gmail.com) MSG #13, 06-22-2009 02:46 AM
      Well done mate!

I like the look of those rear lenses on your SE.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #14, 06-22-2009 04:22 AM
      Good job....this is how you build your skills. 2 days isn't terrible for a first timer....it's more important to take your time and do it right than to be fast. It'll be easier and quicker the next time you do it...

Keep us posted on the progress.

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BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #15, 06-22-2009 07:14 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


Hey! Something is missing here.





You!!! where is your picture of you standing in the engine bay?


Tony Kania MSG #16, 06-22-2009 10:54 AM
      For being only 17, you are doing a fine job. Good luck with her, and we will be watching. And feel free to ask questions. We know that you are an allright guy, and many of us will help you along.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #17, 06-22-2009 12:44 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by BMTFIERO:


You!!! where is your picture of you standing in the engine bay?

Eh, I'll get to it.

 
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

For being only 17, you are doing a fine job. Good luck with her, and we will be watching. And feel free to ask questions. We know that you are an allright guy, and many of us will help you along.



Thanks! Yes I have a question. How exactly do you separate the engine and the 3-speed auto? I don't know how. With the torque converter and all?


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #18, 06-22-2009 04:25 PM
      Remove the inspection plate from the bottom of the transmission. Remove the three bolts that hold the torque converter to the flexplate (you will have to rotate the converter/flexplate 120 degrees each time.....you can use the bolt on the harmonic balancer on the front of the engine to turn it). Remove the bell housing bolts. ...now the two will go their separate ways....

.....if you don't remove the three bolts, they still come apart. The torque converter stays attached to the flexplate....and you get a bath in copious amounts of transmission fluid. Much neater to separate it from the flexplate and leave it in the transmission.

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my86fiero (gtfiero86@live.com) MSG #19, 06-22-2009 05:53 PM
      wow great job man i hope everything goes realy well for you !!! The people on this site are realy great people and very good at what they do. and they are all pretty nice. if i can help with any ?'s i will but i really don't know anywhere near as much as most. oh and i think you did a great job taking it out in two days. the important thing is that your learning so much about the car right now and you couldn't ask for a better group of people to help along the way !!

,Jason

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #20, 06-22-2009 06:31 PM
      Yep, this forum is awesome! I have been here for a while now and people have always helped me when i needed it.

Edit: Thanks Frizlefrak for the info!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #21, 06-22-2009 06:40 PM
      I can't get the lower struts bolts out. I tried air tools, heat with a torch, nothing worked. What can i do besides cutting it?

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #22, 06-22-2009 06:47 PM
      good job bro. would this happen to be for an engine swap? lol and I like the drywall lift/ gennie lift to lift the car str8 up ballin

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #23, 06-22-2009 06:52 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


And There is my dad's truck from his work. (V-10 F-350) and the device that lifted the car and cradle, and a pallet to put the cradle on, and the pallet jack! All from my dad's work.




BTW thoes things are badass my friend has one and he took it to the truck pull and totaly anhilated an S10 who tried doing a no tention on the chaine start. lol dident end well for the S10



pro street dave (prostreetfiero@sbcglobal.net) MSG #24, 06-22-2009 07:03 PM
      are you a clevefiero fiero member?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #25, 06-22-2009 07:13 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pro street dave:

are you a clevefiero fiero member?


Not yet, but me and my dad plan to sign up.
I have been going to the meetings for the past few months though.




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #26, 06-22-2009 07:15 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:


BTW thoes things are badass my friend has one and he took it to the truck pull and totaly anhilated an S10 who tried doing a no tention on the chaine start. lol dident end well for the S10


Well yea, a V-10 F-350 dually vs a S10? Who you do think would win? its like a F-350 vs. a Ranger.


Tony Kania MSG #27, 06-22-2009 07:27 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

I can't get the lower struts bolts out. I tried air tools, heat with a torch, nothing worked. What can i do besides cutting it?



I am guessing that you are talking about the two large bolts holding the strut to the spindle? I sprayed them with PB Blaster for a couple of hours. That did not work, so I took out a 5lb sledge hammer, and went to town. I had new bolts to install. I actually broke the jaw of my vice beating on the bolt. Just don't put any side force on the spindle. Only hit the bolts.

And don't hit it like I have it in the picture. You want the bolts to take all of the force. Not the spindle or the strut.

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #28, 06-22-2009 07:40 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

I can't get the lower struts bolts out. I tried air tools, heat with a torch, nothing worked. What can i do besides cutting it?


Use a 6 point socket (impact sockets are good....Harbor Freight Tools) with a large breaker bar (1/2" drive or better). Use a long piece of pipe as a cheater bar....ie...slip it over the end of your breaker bar so you get extra leverage. Apply even force on the end of your cheater bar.....and one of two things will happen; The bolts will come loose, or they will break. Either way, problem solved. Just use caution so that if it lets go suddenly, you don't take a tumble. Better to sit and pull down on the bar than to push on it.

If I wasn't 2000 miles away, we'd have them off in less than 10 minutes.

[edit] I probably don't have to tell you this, but buy GOOD quality tools. Cheaper tools sound appealing...until one breaks at the worst possible moment. You either damage something or get injured....neither is good. Buy good quality tools and they will last you a lifetime. I'm 45 and still have and use Craftsman tools I bought in high school. Now I mentioned Harbor Freight above....they sell some good impact sockets, but for general sockets I would avoid them. Craftsman, Snap-On, even Kobalt (Lowes) are good tools. They can be your best friend. Good luck.

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #29, 06-22-2009 07:43 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


Well yea, a V-10 F-350 dually vs a S10? Who you do think would win? its like a F-350 vs. a Ranger.


lol like i said it pulled the whole rear end out of the thing aling with causing a lot of frame damage



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #30, 07-06-2009 11:49 PM
      I haven't updated in a bit, so here is my progress.

I got my 2.8 down to the long block and on my engine stand. and i have taken everything down to the bare cradle. MRJ (Matt) came up and brought me 2 cradles with suspension parts because the 2 I had are scrap because of rust.
Interesting picture don't you think.


I'm going to get a 4T60 and a 7730 computer soon and then i can start over again.

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RumbleB MSG #31, 07-07-2009 01:13 AM
      Nice work there! Word of caution - be carefully lifting the Fiero up by the deck lid latch. It can bend or worst, it can rip from the car.
I have seen it happen. The best way to lift the car is with that black brace, on the front side of the trunk. Use a strap with two hooks and hook it to the holes that are on either end of the brace.
If you need a strap, i have one. Let me know and I will bring it over.
Oh, if you still need a 7730 computer, I have one.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #32, 07-07-2009 02:08 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by RumbleB:

Nice work there! Word of caution - be carefully lifting the Fiero up by the deck lid latch. It can bend or worst, it can rip from the car.
I have seen it happen. The best way to lift the car is with that black brace, on the front side of the trunk. Use a strap with two hooks and hook it to the holes that are on either end of the brace.
If you need a strap, i have one. Let me know and I will bring it over.
Oh, if you still need a 7730 computer, I have one.


Yea, I'm going to use the black brace next time, the latch didn't look pretty after that.


Nurb432 MSG #33, 07-07-2009 10:32 AM
      Cool step by step pictures, but looks sooooo much harder then when i yanked mine from the top

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #34, 07-07-2009 10:40 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Nurb432:

Cool step by step pictures, but looks sooooo much harder then when i yanked mine from the top


I don't think you fit a cradle through the top.


fierosound (fierosound2@shaw.ca) MSG #35, 07-07-2009 11:21 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by RumbleB:

Nice work there! Word of caution - be carefully lifting the Fiero up by the deck lid latch. It can bend or worst, it can rip from the car.



Agreed. I put a bolt through the dogbone bracket on the firewall and lift from there. It works great.



Nurb432 MSG #36, 07-07-2009 01:43 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


I don't think you fit a cradle through the top.


True, but i don't have a cradle in mine. ( just kidding )


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #37, 07-07-2009 11:40 PM
      Today while I was working on modding the 7th injector to make it less visable (7730 computer), i hit it with a hammer to get a piece off and the whole thing went flying. And it landed right into this sump pump thing that goes down below my basement. There's goes that piece, no chance in ever getting it. Now what can I use to plug that hole on the side of the intake?

Edit: Oh and what can i use to plug the coolant fan switch hole too?

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #38, 07-07-2009 11:43 PM
      double post...

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #39, 07-08-2009 12:53 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:
Edit: Oh and what can i use to plug the coolant fan switch hole too?


You dont want to do that.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #40, 07-08-2009 12:55 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

You dont want to do that.


The 7730 computer I'm switching to doesn't use that, the computer directly controls it.

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #41, 07-08-2009 01:48 AM
      How is it going to read the collant temp though?

Tony Kania MSG #42, 07-08-2009 01:51 AM
      Reach down into that sub pump! Don't be scared. It is only water.

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #43, 07-08-2009 01:55 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Reach down into that sub pump! Don't be scared. It is only water.

What he said. some of thes sump pump things get deep though.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #44, 07-08-2009 12:14 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Reach down into that sub pump! Don't be scared. It is only water.


...Its hard to explain. It fell in this PVC pipe about 2 inches wide next to the sump pump pit. I put a stick down it and there an elbow about 2 feet deep so its gone.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #45, 07-08-2009 12:23 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

How is it going to read the collant temp though?


Coolant Temp. sensor?


Tony Kania MSG #46, 07-08-2009 12:26 PM
      I know about sump pumps. Have had to deal with them more than once in my life. Looks like you need a grate on that hole. I have never seen a drain right next to one though. Different? Have you got a shop vac? Clean out the vac, then put the hose down the hole. I bet that it is dry down there. If your vac is clean, then the only thing that you find in the vac is your part,

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #47, 07-08-2009 01:23 PM
      No, I failed to say that its full of water.

labbe001 MSG #48, 07-08-2009 01:30 PM
      not quite sure what piece you are talking about but if it has any metal on it anywhere, you could use a magnet on a stick..you can pick one up at most local parts houses

carbon MSG #49, 07-08-2009 02:08 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
How is it going to read the collant temp though?


 
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Originally posted by mattwa:
Coolant Temp. sensor?


Boosh!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #50, 07-09-2009 12:19 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by carbon:


Boosh!



That's a funny one.

Anyway, guess what I got in the mail? A used but good condition custom exhaust section that replaces the muffler with straight pipe.


RumbleB MSG #51, 07-19-2009 10:32 AM
      Bump to the top!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #52, 07-21-2009 09:46 PM
      Update! I have gotten a lot done since I last posted. I first scrapped everything on the cradle plus the cradle (expect the wiring harness..I need that.)

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Then I bought a 3.4 PR from Don (RumbleB). Thanks Don! Got it cheap, but it needed a rebuild, so in the end I will have a almost new powerplant.


And I recently stripped to down to the block and today i gave it to the local engine shop for a degreasing, crank milling, cam bearings, all that good stuff. And on Saturday i'm going to get a 4T60 from a junkyard and get it rebuilt. I also bought a gallon of POR-15 to coat the rusty areas of my Fiero. I plan to also put the battery up front so i can put the coilpacks in its place. Plus new struts, wheel bearings, motor mounts, ball joints, tie rods. Basically rebuilding the rear suspension. The project is progressing well.


Funny thing is that very few things that I dropped out are going back in.


MRJ (fierogt@suddenlink.net) MSG #53, 07-21-2009 10:34 PM
      Looking good Matt. I found something that you might or might not want but it's a glass 84 SE drivers side window. It's in rough shape but the glass is good and all. Let me know if you'd like it.

Coilpacks? you put the Fiero distributor in the covered hole and use the Fiero system on the 3.4 Camaro/Firebird motor. Or are you switching that too? Glad you found a transmission I was looking out for one.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #54, 07-21-2009 10:45 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by MRJ:

Looking good Matt. I found something that you might or might not want but it's a glass 84 SE drivers side window. It's in rough shape but the glass is good and all. Let me know if you'd like it.

Coilpacks? you put the Fiero distributor in the covered hole and use the Fiero system on the 3.4 Camaro/Firebird motor. Or are you switching that too? Glad you found a transmission I was looking out for one.

Sorry Matt, with the cost of the engine rebuilt, i have literally no money to spend on that kind of stuff at this time. Sorry.

Nope I'm using the 3.4 DIS system, with a 7730 computer.

Edit: Oh sorry If I forgot to say that Matt (MRJ) brought me a few cradles and suspension parts.

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DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #55, 07-22-2009 12:48 AM
      Looking good buddy! I am impressed with your effort!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #56, 07-22-2009 03:36 PM
      Today I did a little work on the wiring harness (mostly reading the whole 7730 swap thread...wow that took forever.) and gave my new engraved intake and valve covers to a powder-coating business. They are going to be blue. Yes I know it doesn't go with the gold/black theme of my car but I'm doing a blue/silver theme for the 3.4/4T60.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #57, 07-22-2009 04:21 PM
      .

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #58, 07-28-2009 02:33 PM
      Got a 4T60 for $100 and a friend of mine that works at a tranny shop is helping me rebuild it for free.



And I'm getting the 3.4 rebuilt also. That...will not be cheap.

Edit to add picture.

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02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #59, 07-28-2009 11:43 PM
      The coolant fan switch can be plugged with a basic plug from any hardware store in the plumbing section. Interestingly I'm doing the same 7730 swap right as we speak, and bought this same part today. I also removed the cold start temp sender also. Both are the same size fitting.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #60, 07-29-2009 01:39 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by 02greens10:

The coolant fan switch can be plugged with a basic plug from any hardware store in the plumbing section. Interestingly I'm doing the same 7730 swap right as we speak, and bought this same part today. I also removed the cold start temp sender also. Both are the same size fitting.


Yea that's what I was thinking i could use.

Hey, your not that far away from me, maybe we could pair up and do this together.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #61, 08-14-2009 01:10 PM
      Update. Got my 4T60 rebuilt and painted, looks a lot better then it did.


A bunch of painted parts.



My new(er) cradle, which I'm going to coat with POR-15.

I finally got the strut bolts off the knuckles!

The custom exhaust my dad found on eBay for cheap.

And the current progress on my wiring harness!


labbe001 MSG #62, 08-14-2009 01:46 PM
     
 
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And the current progress on my wiring harness!


what's your plans for this? are you just fresh'n it up or you doing something else?


ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #63, 08-14-2009 02:33 PM
     
 
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You seem to be missing a muffler!, going for the Harley effect are you?
Looking good though.



Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #64, 08-14-2009 03:28 PM
      looking good im about to join you in the ohio car without a motor club.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #65, 08-14-2009 04:55 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by labbe001:


what's your plans for this? are you just fresh'n it up or you doing something else?


7730 swap, so I re-wired the connectors for the new ECM, and I'm adding wiring for a digital EGR, EVAP, and removing things like the cold start injector switch wiring. I also want to replace the very brittle wire loom and the mushy tape with blue ones.

 
quote
Originally posted by ltlfrari:


You seem to be missing a muffler!, going for the Harley effect are you?
Looking good though.


Nah, I'm putting a custom muffler where the Cat. was.


Eclipse (jay.brintnell@gmail.com) MSG #66, 08-14-2009 05:09 PM
      Oh I really want a 3.4 PR motor!!!


Looking good!



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #67, 08-14-2009 08:21 PM
      I worked on the Wiring harness today. Wow that's a lot of wires!

RumbleB MSG #68, 08-17-2009 10:15 PM
      Looking good! Keep us up to date and you are welcome, on the engine.
Are you having a custom cam installed?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #69, 08-18-2009 09:08 PM
      I don't think so because it was my understanding that bigger cams move up the power band to higher RPM's but the Fiero Intake is so restricted that it can't breathe up that high, so it would be useless?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #70, 08-20-2009 07:16 PM
      Started working on my wiring harness yesterday.
Almost done with it, just need to finish a few things up.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #71, 08-30-2009 04:19 PM
      Yesterday I welded in some sheet metal to my rust holes in the trunk corners and battery area.


We rented a Welder from Home Depot since I don't have my own.
Soon after, my mom put the first coat of POR-15 on the Chassis.
I Don't think I'll be taking pictures of my welding...it looks...horrible. All I will say Is I'm glad I'm not welding a motor mount together.

BTW: The red Taurus Is my Daily Driver. Its a SHO.

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ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #72, 08-30-2009 05:13 PM
      Don't despair, this is my first attempt at welding an exhaust pipe:



It leaked (ha ha!).

Welding thin stuff like the sheet metal that makes up a lot of the body panels and exhausts which are thin is definitely the hardest way to learn to weld. Welding thicker stuff is easier because there's so much metal to absorb any extra heat so there's less chance to burn through.

I must say tho that having a welder is probably the best investment I made in tools other than the angle grinder to smooth out my crappy welds, it's just so nice to be able to fabricate a bracket when you need it instead of having to fudge it with bolts and god knows what.



pro street dave (prostreetfiero@sbcglobal.net) MSG #73, 08-30-2009 08:10 PM
      I had that exhaust on my 1985 se 2.8 i liked it.

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #74, 08-30-2009 09:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ltlfrari:

Don't despair, this is my first attempt at welding an exhaust pipe:



It leaked (ha ha!).

Welding thin stuff like the sheet metal that makes up a lot of the body panels and exhausts which are thin is definitely the hardest way to learn to weld. Welding thicker stuff is easier because there's so much metal to absorb any extra heat so there's less chance to burn through.

I must say tho that having a welder is probably the best investment I made in tools other than the angle grinder to smooth out my crappy welds, it's just so nice to be able to fabricate a bracket when you need it instead of having to fudge it with bolts and god knows what.




Hey my welds still look like that!! LoL!I I agree I have owned a welder for the past 4 years and it and my angle grinder are my two most used tools. My friends always laugh at me because I use my angle grinder for just about everything.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #75, 08-30-2009 10:22 PM
      Yea, I agree, the thin stuff is the hardest way to learn, and I blew holes through it in some spots.

I don't have the $400-500 for a good MIG welder, I barely have any to use for my project!


02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #76, 08-30-2009 11:23 PM
      Looking good. I have from the looks of it the same welder. For that metal in the trunk I would use the "B"setting and have the wire feed on like 3. Then do short bursts, moving around on the seam you are welding.

I also homemade that exact same exahust you have there, not as nice, but made from pieces of other fiero exhausts and it sounds decent with just a glasspack up front.

I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel on my car, so I hope to cruise with some other fiero owners sometime.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #77, 08-31-2009 12:31 PM
      Ha, i wish I could be Done soon. Its the money part of it that is holding me back. Since I basically dropped the cradle, scrapped everything, and started over. It's going even slower now that school has started. Honestly, I hope to have it done by December, if i'm lucky.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #78, 08-31-2009 03:58 PM
      Update! I got my finished heads and powder coated Plenum and Valve Covers today! They look awesome!




Now, I wasn't as happy with the powder coating, they didn't mask off as much as I wanted, but that's ok, I can sand what I want off. So that is why the one Valve cover is dirty, and looks a little different


Tony Kania MSG #79, 08-31-2009 04:25 PM
      Looking good there Mattwa. It is always exciting to get thing rolling. Keep us posted.

If it were me, I would sand down the top part of the intake. Leaving only the Fiero showing up in blue, while the rest surrounding it is polished. Like Madcurl likes to say, it will give it some "pop".

Tony


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #80, 08-31-2009 09:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Looking good there Mattwa. It is always exciting to get thing rolling. Keep us posted.

If it were me, I would sand down the top part of the intake. Leaving only the Fiero showing up in blue, while the rest surrounding it is polished. Like Madcurl likes to say, it will give it some "pop".

Tony


That is exactly what I was planning to do, I just ran outta time. I'll take another photo when its all done and sanded down.


Ditkaphile (ditkaphile@comcast.net) MSG #81, 08-31-2009 10:03 PM
      My first time owning a page...woo hoo!

Great job on the cradle drop. I did my first (and only) cradle drop a couple years ago, and at the time I had never even done a tune-up on a car. Got it done with no service manual (thanks to this forum) all by myself...but it took me two WEEKS, not two days! Great job and good luck with the rest of your project!



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #82, 08-31-2009 10:59 PM
      How about this?

And my wiring harness is almost done.



Ridgelandbaseball (pwammons@oh.rr.com) MSG #83, 09-01-2009 12:04 AM
      Way to go mattwa. Soon your Fiero will be as nice as mine.

By the way to all of you on the forum. Mattwa is taking up our driveway, a lot of the garage and most all of our basement for this project. Where will it end. Oh well, he really is doing a terrific job with this whole build.


mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #84, 09-01-2009 12:19 AM
      nvm

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #85, 09-01-2009 01:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ridgelandbaseball:

Soon your Fiero will be as nice as mine.

Right, sure it will. At least my paint is still there.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #86, 09-01-2009 09:13 AM
      Matt,

You are doing a great job here. There's no replacement for paying attention to details. I keep a close eye on this thread. Good job man!

Andy


BazookaFiero (david.wente@ndsu.edu) MSG #87, 09-01-2009 01:03 PM
      Wow, that is looking great! I'm very impressed with the amount of work you have put into the car. Hopefully in the end you will have one smoooooth runner I know how you feel about money being tight, my rebuild was not cheap either... but it sure is nice to see some good hard work being put in kudos to you

So are you planning on painting the car a shade of blue as well to match the engine?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #88, 09-01-2009 02:15 PM
      No, car is staying Gold.

Well, honestly I'm having 2nd thoughts on all this. Yes, when I'm done, I'll have an almost brand new engine and transmission, and it will look amazing, with some mods like the 7730 Swap. That's great, except for performance addicts like me. With all the money I have spent (and still need to spend), I could have easily bought a 4.9 with it's 4T60E, cleaned it up, Paint it, thrown it in, and called it a day. More power, same or less amount of money. I could add a turbo to this 3.4, but that would add another $1000-$1500 to the total cost on this project, which by then I could do a nice 3800SC swap! If I try to sell what I have, I'll take in a major loss.

I just don't know what I do. I want to add a turbo, but that just makes a complex job even more complex. Like I would want to use my 7730 computer I have but what code mask should i use? The Turbo 3.1 one? Plus as you saw I can't weld very well.

Or I could do nothing and do what I planned to do. But I wouldn't want to put it in then change my mind later.

I'm still going to finish the project no matter what happens, so don't worry about that. It's way too late to turn around, I most likely will use the 3.4 one way or another, I'm just kinda ranting. Sorry.

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BazookaFiero (david.wente@ndsu.edu) MSG #89, 09-01-2009 03:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

No, car is staying Gold.

Well, honestly I'm having 2nd thoughts on all this. Yes, when I'm done, I'll have an almost brand new engine and transmission, and it will look amazing, with some mods like the 7730 Swap. That's great, except for performance addicts like me. With all the money I have spent (and still need to spend), I could have easily bought a 4.9 with it's 4T60E, cleaned it up, Paint it, thrown it in, and called it a day. More power, same or less amount of money. I could add a turbo to this 3.4, but that would add another $1000-$1500 to the total cost on this project, which by then I could do a nice 3800SC swap! If I try to sell what I have, I'll take in a major loss.

I just don't know what I do. I want to add a turbo, but that just makes a complex job even more complex. Like I would want to use my 7730 computer I have but what code mask should i use? The Turbo 3.1 one? Plus as you saw I can't weld very well.

Or I could do nothing and do what I planned to do. But I wouldn't want to put it in then change my mind later.

I'm still going to finish the project no matter what happens, so don't worry about that. It's way too late to turn around, I most likely will use the 3.4 one way or another, I'm just kinda ranting. Sorry.



Sorry to hear you are having frustrations. You are young, and you got a lot of time ahead of you. I would LIKE to say that there will be many opportunities for other Fieros, but unfortunately as the years go by, more Fieros go to car heaven, and I am sure 10 years from now they will be harder to find.

If I were you, I would finish this project and make her into a decent daily driver. Get her patched up and good for the road, then you need to decide is funds. You can start saving now, and in a couple years or so have enough money to do a better swap, or you can buy a whole 'nother Fiero all together, whatever suits your fancy. I dunno what kind of budget you are going with on this project, but only focus on what you can afford now.

I know how you feel, when I took out the engines for both of my Fieros, I had the urge, because I knew that I could do sooo much more. I wanted so bad to do a swap, or at least upgrade everything, but I had no cash. I had to force myself to say no.

Hope it all works out for you

Dave


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #90, 09-01-2009 04:01 PM
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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #91, 09-01-2009 05:36 PM
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RumbleB MSG #92, 09-12-2009 12:36 AM
      I don't know about that turbo much. But I do know that a super 60 series turbo from a 2.3L Mustang will work with the V-6 Fiero.
Dennis La Grua (who is on the forum) has a website on how to do a turbo install, on the cheap. http://turbofiero.fierojoe.com/project.htm


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #93, 09-12-2009 04:00 PM
      Update status: waiting for money.

My dad did purchase a Turbo from E-bay. It was a turbo from a early/mid 80's Mustang, SVO, or Turbo Coupe.


RumbleB MSG #94, 09-13-2009 12:36 AM
      That would be the one!

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #95, 09-13-2009 07:58 AM
      ...Should have gone larger, imo.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #96, 09-13-2009 03:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jncomutt:

...Should have gone larger, imo.


Yes, But I think its worth it for $150. (including shipping from CA)

BTW, Thank you Cliff for changing the name of my thread for me!

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Tony Kania MSG #97, 09-13-2009 06:03 PM
      We require pics of this new turbo.

Tony


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #98, 09-13-2009 07:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

We require pics of this new turbo.

Tony


As soon as I get it, I will. It's going to be maybe another 4-5 days.

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mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #99, 09-13-2009 07:20 PM
      If your still wanting more power and not wanting to get into the turbo yet why not a top swap? Swap to the 3100 or 3400 heads and youll have about 185hp over 200ftlb tq. Just a thought

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #100, 09-13-2009 11:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mtownfiero:

If your still wanting more power and not wanting to get into the turbo yet why not a top swap? Swap to the 3100 or 3400 heads and youll have about 185hp over 200ftlb tq. Just a thought


Too late, already got my Turbo, and I have my wiring harness done. Plus there is more "Wow!" to a Turbo then a 3100 top end swap, and its more fun to mess with (and break things! ).

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #101, 09-14-2009 12:26 AM
      Update for the day!
Finished POR-15ing the rear of the car. Lesson learned-DO NOT get any on your skin. Doesn't come off.



Needed to fix the Window motor on my dad's Fiero so I took off the outer door panel, it needed some other work anyway.

I also took my fender off because when my project first started, and I needed to keep a cover on it. I snapped the Antenna base off trying to remove the antenna. Rusty. so i need to replace that.

Also I removed my front bumper because 1.I want to try and fix it (doubt it..it's been hit 3 times now) 2.the energy cushion stuff was totally loose and just fell out. 3. POR-15 the rusty frame up there and 4. add fog lights (maybe).

Thats about it for today!

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Fieroking (sokolja@roadrunner.com) MSG #102, 09-14-2009 09:05 PM
      Just a word of warning! That blue wire loom you are using is NOT the High Temp used by the manufacturer. That stuff will melt very easily and make a mess of your wiring. Please be careful were you run it no ware near any heat source.

Looking Good Keep it Up

Joe Sokol



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #103, 09-14-2009 09:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fieroking:

Just a word of warning! That blue wire loom you are using is NOT the High Temp used by the manufacturer. That stuff will melt very easily and make a mess of your wiring. Please be careful were you run it no ware near any heat source.

Looking Good Keep it Up

Joe Sokol



The manufacturer of my Blue Wire Loom said it was rated to about 250F.


Lilchief MSG #104, 09-14-2009 11:17 PM
      mattwa: I had the same exhaust system as you. I did some testing on it and found almost 6 lbs of back pressure. During this time I also ran a few 1/4 mile runs at the local track and managed a 15.7 with a T125/3.06. I later removed the entire exhaust system, enlarged the down pipe and stopped it just past the cat location (no cat). Back pressure dropped to less the 1 lb and the best ET was 14.9, 60' times 1.92. My 4t60 I really like but the torque convertor is entirely too tight best ET 15.1, 60' times 2.1. This was with full 3" exhaust. 2.5 is about the right size. I was planning on running nitrous so I ran 3". MPG is about 30 hwy using a 3.42 gear. Using the newer ECM should really make it a nice running ride.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #105, 09-15-2009 01:07 PM
      30 MPG with 3.42?? Wow, I can't wait to see what my 3.06 will do. But the Turbo might decrease that a bit.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #106, 09-15-2009 05:36 PM
      Today I POR-15'ed the Front frame, looks a lot better now! I also remounted my "Ah OOO Gah" Horn because I didn't like it where it was. By the way, it was Hilarious seeing peoples faces when i set it off while driving by.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #107, 09-16-2009 09:58 PM
      Guess what came in the mail today?




kyunderdawg MSG #108, 09-16-2009 10:18 PM
      New hairdryer?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #109, 09-16-2009 11:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kyunderdawg:

New hairdryer?


Bit Heavy for a hairdryer.

It does not seem to have much play side to side or up and down. But I thought these turbo's came with internal wastegates?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #110, 09-17-2009 12:05 AM
      I do have a question. How do I connect the exhaust the the exhaust outlet? It's just round..no bolt holes or anything! Same with the intake, do i use clamps or what?

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #111, 09-17-2009 02:11 AM
      Uhh. The exhaust you use the proper V-band flange and for the intake side you use a silicone coupler.

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #112, 09-17-2009 02:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I do have a question. How do I connect the exhaust the the exhaust outlet? It's just round..no bolt holes or anything! Same with the intake, do i use clamps or what?



Its called a turbo band. Bolts just wont work on them. its a strap that sits onto that lip on the opening and there will be another lip on the exaust tube. I dont know where you can get them. i would sugest from the turbos manufacture.



Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 09-17-2009 03:38 PM
      Or you can search for V-band like I posted before ponti and you will find they are widely available.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #114, 09-17-2009 10:16 PM
      Sweet thanks, I didn't know what i had to use. Now I know! That i need to spend even more money which I don't have!

James_GT (jhorley@gmail.com) MSG #115, 09-18-2009 08:37 AM
      That's a really cool swap Matt. That's the exact one I'd do if I had access to the parts, but being in Australia means that I'd have to import those parts which would be too costly.

A 3.4 Pushrod Turbo w/4T60


timgray (timgray.geo@yahoo.com) MSG #116, 09-18-2009 10:10 AM
      Cool shot at this, it will go well, dont give up.

As for your programming. Honestly get ahold of darth. he is very reasonable on price and there is a good chance if you give him the right info that your first chip from him will run very well.

The way you are going is correct, and the best t hing you can do is to practice welding a LOT. get some garbage exaust or Y pipe and try and weld an hour a day and by the time you need to make your Y pipe for the turbo you will be welding very well.

I do recommend getting the engine in without turbo first and then getting it tuned and running right. THEN do the turbo project. It's not hard with the engine in the car. It sucks chasing gremlins only to discover you have a basic problem you missed with the base engine.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #117, 09-18-2009 01:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timgray:

Cool shot at this, it will go well, dont give up.

As for your programming. Honestly get ahold of darth. he is very reasonable on price and there is a good chance if you give him the right info that your first chip from him will run very well.

The way you are going is correct, and the best t hing you can do is to practice welding a LOT. get some garbage exaust or Y pipe and try and weld an hour a day and by the time you need to make your Y pipe for the turbo you will be welding very well.

I do recommend getting the engine in without turbo first and then getting it tuned and running right. THEN do the turbo project. It's not hard with the engine in the car. It sucks chasing gremlins only to discover you have a basic problem you missed with the base engine.

Yes, i plan on contacting Darth with I'm at that step.

I don't think I want to do that, because I'll be using the 3.1 turbo code and I don't think the computer will be happy with-out boost being there. And I'm half set up to put the turbo in with the engine anyways.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #118, 09-18-2009 01:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by James_GT:

That's a really cool swap Matt. That's the exact one I'd do if I had access to the parts, but being in Australia means that I'd have to import those parts which would be too costly.

A 3.4 Pushrod Turbo w/4T60


I do have to admit I'm kinda copying sardonyx247's Turbo 3.4, with the blue/sliver theme. Except I'll have my 4T60 and he has his 5-speed.
I'm just happy I won't ever have to deal with dizzy's again! It gave me a lot of trouble with timing on my 2.8. I don't like them.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #119, 09-25-2009 02:24 AM
      I just got a leather auto shift knob in a trade! Compared to my old Plastic one, it makes a big difference. mmeyer86gt/gtp does great leather work re-wraping these, it looks amazing! Thanks again mmeyer86gt/gtp!

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project34 MSG #120, 09-25-2009 03:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez:
Couldnt have been that dirty, them duds still look pretty white !!!

Good Job, What are your plans ?

 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
Duds? What are duds?

"Duds" = "clothes."


 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
Well, honestly I'm having 2nd thoughts on all this....

I just don't know what I do. I want to add a turbo, but that just makes a complex job even more complex.

 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
I have since thought about what I could do, and I have decided that I will add a turbo onto my 3.4.

Cool. I hope you're successful with that, and document it with even more pics!



FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #121, 09-25-2009 10:10 AM
      yup, good luck matt!

awsome looking thread. keep up the good work.

Who hoo! I own a page a BA thread

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #122, 09-25-2009 02:37 PM
      Yea, my dad told me what duds meant...he said it was an old saying. No kidding.
Well i added an Autometer boost/vac gauge and a A/R Gauge. Looks awesome.


Here is where I ran the vac line.


And I wrapped the car harness section of wiring.


project34 MSG #123, 09-25-2009 06:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
Yea, my dad told me what duds meant...he said it was an old saying. No kidding.

The word, "duds," apparently can be traced back to between 1100 and 1500 A.D., which makes it older than at least some of us on this forum. However, the word, "yea," which you just used, goes back even further than that, and that in turn may lead some to question if earlier you were expressing your age in years, or in centuries.


In all seriousness though, mattwa, nice work on your 3.4 project!

 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Well i added an Autometer boost/vac gauge and a A/R Gauge. Looks awesome.



Incidentally, by temporarily removing that gauge pod, and rattle-can spray painting it "Light Saddle," that will help integrate the appearance of the gauge pod better with the current color of the pillar. What I used was a 12-ounce spray can of something called "Tempo Professional Choice," followed by the words, "Custom Color Universal Blend," and also preprinted on the can's label is "No. 865 Universal Blend." Just above that, someone had handwritten on the can, "Lt. Saddle GM." Unfortunately, I don't recall where I bought it.

However, the good news is that in their on-line catalog, The Fiero Store's version is called "86-88 Light Tan (Saddle) Interior Spray Paint" (their part number 50943).

Anyway, that's just a thought for your consideration.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #124, 09-26-2009 02:00 AM
      What if I like it black?
I think it goes well with the Gold/black exterior theme (the engine is a blue/silver theme...because I think it looks cool.
I might someday repaint the interior a Tan/black theme. Does anyone have any pictures that show such a theme, so I could get a grip on what parts to paint what color?


project34 MSG #125, 09-26-2009 03:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
I might someday repaint the interior a Tan/black theme. Does anyone have any pictures that show such a theme, so I could get a grip on what parts to paint what color?

Here are pictures of one such interior (reproduced from a thread titled, "Interior pictures," in General Fiero Chat):

 
quote
Originally posted by mikejhjr:



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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #126, 09-26-2009 03:50 PM
      It seems like there is just a little to much black in there for my liking, but thats a minor detail. Looks awesome!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #127, 09-28-2009 08:06 PM
      Today I bought 2 new jack stands and jacked up the front of the car, and got the front wheels off. I also moved the rear jacks, but in doing so, it lowered the rear of the car a lot and the old jacks are up as high as they can go.

Hm, look at all those old parts. Maybe i should rebuild the front suspension too!





The reason the car cover is still on is because it was SUPER windy today so I tied the cover down in the center of the car.

Here is the antenna base that snapped off when i First removed the cradle. Do I have to remove the dash to replace it?

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NCTyphoonKid (cdahr@triad.rr.com) MSG #128, 09-28-2009 08:42 PM
      Good work Matt!

NCTyphoonKid (cdahr@triad.rr.com) MSG #129, 09-28-2009 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Today I bought 2 new jack stands and jacked up the front of the car, and got the front wheels off. I also moved the rear jacks, but in doing so, it lowered the rear of the car a lot and the old jacks are up as high as they can go.

The reason the car cover is still on is because it was SUPER windy today so I tied the cover down in the center of the car.

Here is the antenna base that snapped off when i First removed the cradle. Do I have to remove the dash to replace it?




You do not have to remove the dash to replace the antenna base and wire.I pulled the radio out and removed the lower door trim and slid it out through the hole for the wire opposite when installing.If you have any Q's about this feel free to PM me


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #130, 10-05-2009 10:20 PM
      Look what I did today!

Fog light switch from a 86 6000 STE, going to be used as such! Came out pretty well.

Looks pretty stock to me if I didn't know better.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #131, 10-13-2009 10:44 PM
      Got a digital Cruise control module from a 92 Grand Prix. and a 4T60 dipstick from pull-a-part last weekend. I modded the stock Fiero cruise cable to work with the newer module, and it works great!

I should be getting my engine back soon, too.


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #132, 10-13-2009 10:51 PM
      Looking good buddy!!

pocket dude 411 MSG #133, 10-19-2009 02:44 PM
      Anything else new on it?!

kyunderdawg MSG #134, 10-19-2009 03:20 PM
      Yeah, make sure to let us know how that new hair dryer works for ya, Matt.

How 'bout I drop my car off to you so you can get started on it?

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #135, 10-19-2009 04:28 PM
      It's good to see you still plugging away, Matt. We're proud of you!



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #136, 10-19-2009 07:39 PM
      Small Update. Since I have very limited funds, I like to add smaller things while I'm waiting for bigger things (aka engine). So i went to Pull-A-Part again last weekend, saw a 85 Fiero (rusted to the moon) and got a few parts from it, nothing special. Base coupe. But the main thing is that I got a Auto-dimming mirror with compass and temp. from a 98 Aurora. It's missing the switch but I got it for $5, compare that to about $250 Brand new.


I already tested it, It's really neat how it works. So Today I did all the wiring for it, plus the wires for the Air Temp Sensor, Plus I did all the wiring for the planned fog-lights. I'm out of room in the fuse box, lol.
Question: How do I get the old metal piece off the windshield without breaking the windshield?


kyunderdawg MSG #137, 10-19-2009 08:10 PM
      Try an adheisive remover like MEK, just to name one. I got mine from a paint/body parts house. I'm not sure if Lowe's or Home Depot would cary it. Someone else might know for sure or have a better adheisive remover to use. You probably already know this, but don't forget to outline the where the bracket is on the outside of the glass to give you an exact place to put the new one before you remove the old one.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #138, 10-19-2009 08:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by kyunderdawg:

Try an adheisive remover like MEK, just to name one. I got mine from a paint/body parts house. I'm not sure if Lowe's or Home Depot would cary it. Someone else might know for sure or have a better adheisive remover to use. You probably already know this, but don't forget to outline the where the bracket is on the outside of the glass to give you an exact place to put the new one before you remove the old one.


No i didn't think of that, thanks for the advice.


FieroFiend MSG #139, 10-19-2009 10:29 PM
      Your not using that A/F gauge for any sort of tuning are you? Narrowband 02 sensor gauges are nearly useless for anything but a light show. If Im mistaken and its a wideband then ignore this.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #140, 10-19-2009 10:48 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FieroFiend:

Your not using that A/F gauge for any sort of tuning are you? Narrowband 02 sensor gauges are nearly useless for anything but a light show. If Im mistaken and its a wideband then ignore this.


Yes It's a Narrowband, but why is it useless? I'm not going to use it for "tuning" per say, but to at least keep the A/F in check, since i need to keep a close eye on it for my Turbo with stock pistons.


FieroFiend MSG #141, 10-20-2009 12:01 AM
      Get a wide band if you want to know what your motors doing all that guage will tell you is if your o2 sensor is working properly by showing its switching. At WOT it will show if it goes rich or lean still but its hardly accurate or precise 1v range vs 5v range its pretty obvious which will have a useful resolution and which will not. Its not something you should trust your engine to.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #142, 10-20-2009 12:10 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by FieroFiend:

Get a wide band if you want to know what your motors doing all that guage will tell you is if your o2 sensor is working properly by showing its switching. At WOT it will show if it goes rich or lean still but its hardly accurate or precise 1v range vs 5v range its pretty obvious which will have a useful resolution and which will not. Its not something you should trust your engine to.


Ok, I'm not sure if a 7730 ECM can work with a wideband or not.


FieroFiend MSG #143, 10-20-2009 01:23 AM
      It doesnt have to be what controls your car if all you want it for is to keep your own eye on the AFR's most widebands dont require it interface with the computer at all.

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #144, 10-20-2009 01:24 AM
      I have that same mirror in both my 89 buick and my Fiero. It will fit over the factory fiero "button" on the windshield. Does yours not fit??

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #145, 10-20-2009 01:26 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Jncomutt:

I have that same mirror in both my 89 buick and my Fiero. It will fit over the factory fiero "button" on the windshield. Does yours not fit??


No it doesn't! The "button" is too thin, so it "fits" fine but it wobbles way too much.


Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #146, 10-20-2009 03:00 AM
      Hmm weird. You're probably going to have to glue another button over the top of that one or 'shim' the mirror so it stays tight once clicked fully into place.

(Both mine are really tight)


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #147, 10-20-2009 01:38 PM
      I think I'll just try and bend the pongs in some and i think it will work. Some guy did it that way in a F-150 with the same mirror and it worked.

hnthomps (hnt100@aol.com) MSG #148, 10-20-2009 09:07 PM
      Matt,

I have virtually the same gauge set up on my turbo 3.4 and also use A/F meter just as a rich/lean indicator when WOT.

Nelson

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OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #149, 10-20-2009 09:14 PM
      Ever since I first got interested in Fiero's I always HATED the tan inerior, but with the black and how you have have yours, I think you just converted me.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #150, 10-22-2009 03:23 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by hnthomps:

Matt,

I have virtually the same gauge set up on my turbo 3.4 and also use A/F meter just as a rich/lean indicator when WOT.

Nelson



That, and its kinda cool to have.

BTW, does anyone know where I could get more of the wiring pins for the connector? Or where I could get that switch?


fieromadman (j_depies@hotmail.com) MSG #151, 10-29-2009 02:11 AM
      Matt, what connector pins do you need? Switch?

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #152, 10-29-2009 01:09 PM
      I get all my GM wiring pins from mouser.com

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #153, 11-01-2009 12:31 AM
      Update: My new 36lb Accel injectors came in the mail today. Thanks Fieromadman!

I also removed the mem-cal from my 7730 computer, just need to desoldier the PROM...looks like fun. I plan to program the chip myself.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #154, 11-01-2009 10:31 PM
      I should be getting my engine back this month! Engine or bust!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #155, 11-02-2009 08:25 PM
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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #156, 11-02-2009 08:43 PM
      Cool project, sometimes I wish I went turbo 3400 instead of L67.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #157, 11-02-2009 11:16 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

Cool project, sometimes I wish I went turbo 3400 instead of L67.


L67 just seems way to common for me. Yea its a powerhouse and bullet-proof, may do a L67 swap some-day...but I really like the 60-degree family. I would love a Turbo 3.4 DOHC or like you said, a turbo 3400.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #158, 11-02-2009 11:30 PM
      You thinking of mounting the intercooler in the passengers rear fender well and adding some ducting like the air intake?. I had thought about it during planning after seeing my fathers 03 tdi beetle has a fender well mounted setup factory. Just food for thought. good luck with that project ohio winters coming soon

Neolithic Shadow (arrowheadgt@hotmail.com) MSG #159, 11-02-2009 11:37 PM
      the inner fender well seems like a good idea, or depending on clearence, under one of the decklid vents. either way, i think it would be a good idea to put a small electric fan behind it because the stock side scoop doesn't push enough air to make the IC very effecient. in my liquid IC setup, i have the heat exchanger in the fender well and always delt with heat soak issues..i know liquid intercoolers are different from a2a, but nontheless..just my 0.02

also if you still need a y-pipe i may be able to help you out there if i can get my destroyed 2.8 out of the car sometime soon.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #160, 11-03-2009 12:35 AM
      I tried the passenger rear fender well, and it didn't seem to fit at all. The intercooler is about 12"x12"x3" (roughly). I do agree about the fan though. Maybe under the driver's side vent? But then I would worry about water getting in it etc.

I'm looking for a custom Y-pipe, not a normal one. I already cut one of those up.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #161, 11-05-2009 12:22 AM
      Today I started porting my intake! And the only tools i used where 2 files, because that's all I really have, more time then money. Took about 3-4 hours to do those 3 ports.
Not really that pretty, but it won't be seen.



YES, I finally own a page! I own page 5!

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Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #162, 11-05-2009 01:58 AM
      I'd pressure test that intercooler if I was you.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #163, 11-06-2009 02:28 PM
      Got my Crank today!!!!
Good news is that the journals didn't need to be ground, so they just polished them up. Bad news is that when I was disassembling the engine, I destroyed the crank pulley threads with the balancer puller. Don't know how but I did. The engine shop made a steel insert and threaded it in with lock-tight. A $225 mistake.
It Looks awesome though!

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Tony Kania MSG #164, 11-06-2009 05:25 PM
      Mattwa......Gasket match that intake. Use a sharpie to figure out what you need to take out. Gasket matching will assure you that all three intakes have smooth airflow through them. When I put my 3.1 stroker together, I just threw the intake on. I ran out of rpm's at 4,500. When I needed to fix my lower intake gasket leak a few months back, I went ahead and gasket matched my intakes. She now pulls strong up until 5,500 rpm's. Notceable difference in my shift points, and a new found joy during the onramp blasts.

Tony

Edit: Looking good.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #165, 11-07-2009 01:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Mattwa......Gasket match that intake. Use a sharpie to figure out what you need to take out. Gasket matching will assure you that all three intakes have smooth airflow through them. When I put my 3.1 stroker together, I just threw the intake on. I ran out of rpm's at 4,500. When I needed to fix my lower intake gasket leak a few months back, I went ahead and gasket matched my intakes. She now pulls strong up until 5,500 rpm's. Notceable difference in my shift points, and a new found joy during the onramp blasts.

Tony

Edit: Looking good.


Thats what i'm doing. Going to gasket match them all!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #166, 11-08-2009 07:04 PM
      Today's update-My family and I POR-15'ed the cradle, A-arms, and knuckles. They look loads better now. Tomorrow I'll do the first attempt of mounting the tranny on the cradle.


Sorry about the crappy pictures, their wasn't enough light in the closed garage.

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pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #167, 11-08-2009 07:51 PM
      Well dude. Looks like you might have a coppy car with me and my 86. Its not going to be as extensive as yours but im gona do a 3.4 swap with a turbo as well. Only diffrence is i might mate a 5 speed to mine.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #168, 11-08-2009 10:18 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Well dude. Looks like you might have a coppy car with me and my 86. Its not going to be as extensive as yours but im gona do a 3.4 swap with a turbo as well. Only diffrence is i might mate a 5 speed to mine.


Yea I'm doing a lot of little things at the same time, like fog lights, auto-dim mirror, digital cruise, bigger brakes, moving like every single vaccum line, etc. Are you going to swap in the 7730 computer?

But I don't think it will be a total copy cat, unless you paint yours gold. :P


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #169, 11-09-2009 11:27 PM
      Look what i did today! Officially started putting everything back together. Put in all Poly bushings, temp. mounted the tranny (its still off-center somehow), put 80% of the rear suspension to together, etc. Was pretty busy today.


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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #170, 11-10-2009 11:28 PM
      Bump to the top.

fierofury MSG #171, 11-10-2009 11:36 PM
      Looks good Matt!

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #172, 11-10-2009 11:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Yea I'm doing a lot of little things at the same time, like fog lights, auto-dim mirror, digital cruise, bigger brakes, moving like every single vaccum line, etc. Are you going to swap in the 7730 computer?

But I don't think it will be a total copy cat, unless you paint yours gold. :P


Well im looking at painting it a copper so close enough. But i got the pistons cranking so the engine is all good to go. No 3.4 for now



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #173, 11-11-2009 12:12 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:


Well im looking at painting it a copper so close enough. But i got the pistons cranking so the engine is all good to go. No 3.4 for now


Aw, thats too bad. I should be getting mine this week, hopefully.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #174, 11-11-2009 01:24 PM
      This is not fair! I called Weber Racing (place where my engine is being done) today and they said they bored and honed the block, but they still need to replace the cam bearings, and such bearings are in the rebuild kit, which they are hopefully going to order today. If not, they will tomorrow. It's this close *shows with fingers* to being done, but it's still not ready to go! It might be pushed to next monday or tuesday, I told them I kind wanted it this week. I also told them that if I at least got my block back on like friday, I would be happy. We'll see how it goes

RotrexFiero MSG #175, 11-11-2009 01:29 PM
      They should be able to get bearings with no problem. And they only take about an hour to install. I remember those days working with a machinist, they pretty much do things on their schedule and you just have to wait.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #176, 11-11-2009 01:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

They should be able to get bearings with no problem. And they only take about an hour to install. I remember those days working with a machinist, they pretty much do things on their schedule and you just have to wait.


That's good to hear. The only things left to do are order the rebuild kit, R&R the cam bearings, and press in the wrist pins. The engine has been there since early July, so i kinda want it back.


carbon MSG #177, 11-11-2009 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
Look what i did today! Officially started putting everything back together. Put in all Poly bushings, temp. mounted the tranny (its still off-center somehow), put 80% of the rear suspension to together, etc. Was pretty busy today.


Similar Problem


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #178, 11-11-2009 02:00 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by carbon:


Similar Problem


Sweet, thanks! I didn't see that before. i just might have to do that.


blkpearl (bodylinesfitness@cox.net) MSG #179, 11-12-2009 12:00 AM
      Good to see you putting this together. You did have forged pistons put in with the rebuild right?

I am glad to see you're doing such a nice job on reassembling the whole car. I am hoping to begin trying to put together the Turbo for my 3.4 beginning February. It's been 9 month's later then when I wanted to start, but oh well. Keep up the good work, and glad to see your close to getting it together.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #180, 11-12-2009 12:40 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by blkpearl:

Good to see you putting this together. You did have forged pistons put in with the rebuild right?

I am glad to see you're doing such a nice job on reassembling the whole car. I am hoping to begin trying to put together the Turbo for my 3.4 beginning February. It's been 9 month's later then when I wanted to start, but oh well. Keep up the good work, and glad to see your close to getting it together.


Yea I wish. I can't afford nor find any forged oversize 3.4 pistons. Except custom made, which would be $$$.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #181, 11-25-2009 03:56 PM
      I will be getting my engine back on December 4th. Had money issues and a mis-communication.

Plus, I think it would be best if I got it in and running before installing the turbo system, that way it would be easier to pin-point problems at the beginning. And it will give me a chance to save up for neat turbo parts!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #182, 12-05-2009 03:18 PM
      I got my engine and parts back yesterday!!! and started working on it (drilling and tapping the holes for the starter with Rodney's Jig). I'll get you all pictures tomorrow, since I have to go to work soon (again), and its cold in the garage since the heater isn't on. The outside of the block still has old paint and rust on it, what you do think the best way to clean would be?

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #183, 12-05-2009 03:32 PM
      Engine degreaser and a wire brush.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #184, 12-06-2009 06:14 PM
      Picture time!
Here I'm removing the old freeze plugs.

Some pictures before i cleaned it with hot water and PB Blaster.


After I cleaned it and as it sits now.




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #185, 12-06-2009 09:58 PM
      And this week I hope to build it to at least a long block. Depends on how things go.

carbon MSG #186, 12-07-2009 07:21 AM
      Looks good...

IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #187, 12-07-2009 03:35 PM
      keep up the good work!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #188, 12-07-2009 06:06 PM
      Got the crank in today.


I have a question, were the red circle is, is usually were the knock sensor is, correct? Well the sensor i have doesn't fit there (too small of a hole) so is it ok to move it to the other side of the block?

And I have some oil gallery plugs left over...where did i miss one, if I did indeed miss one?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #189, 12-08-2009 05:22 PM
      Got pistons, cam, and oilpump on today.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #190, 12-08-2009 10:48 PM
      Installed the heads, rockers, lifters, and push rods tonight. I did not set the valve lash yet so that's why the rockers look like they are sitting on valve stems weird. I'm waiting until i can rent a gear puller and pull off the old timing gear on the crank, so I can put the chain on and time it correctly. Starting to look like an engine!

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Cajun (mvizina@cox.net) MSG #191, 12-09-2009 09:21 AM
      mattwa,

Looking good, budda.............



Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #192, 12-09-2009 11:51 AM
      Great work, Matt! Looking good brother. Can't wait to see this at completion.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #193, 12-09-2009 02:07 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Great work, Matt! Looking good brother. Can't wait to see this at completion.


Hopefully you will see it in person one day! (when its running of course)


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #194, 12-10-2009 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Hopefully you will see it in person one day! (when its running of course)


You can count on it.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #195, 12-10-2009 04:15 PM
      Didn't get much done today. Cleaned some parts with lacquer thinner, worked great!

Would anyone like to donate money to the "Matt needs money for his project" fund for Christmas? Only because I'm not old enough to drink, so you can't "Buy me a beer". Although you could but i think my parents wouldn't like that idea.

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fieromadman (j_depies@hotmail.com) MSG #196, 12-10-2009 05:08 PM
      You should spend some of that hard earned cash on a die grinder (about 20-30 bux for a cheap one) and a porting kit (also about 20-30 bucks). That would be the cheapest best way to port your intakes.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #197, 12-10-2009 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieromadman:

You should spend some of that hard earned cash on a die grinder (about 20-30 bux for a cheap one) and a porting kit (also about 20-30 bucks). That would be the cheapest best way to port your intakes.



That's a good idea, and I'll think about that next time, but I already did all my porting with my 2 files.


kyunderdawg MSG #198, 12-10-2009 08:58 PM
      Matt, you're doin' an awesome job on this. Can't wait to see it with that hair dryer mounted.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #199, 12-10-2009 09:32 PM
      Pointless post removed.

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FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #200, 12-10-2009 10:42 PM
      Looking good man.. Keep it up.. Cant wait to it done!

skuzzbomer MSG #201, 12-11-2009 01:43 PM
      I'm currently wondering to myself... Why haven't I looked at this thread yet? Good stuff.

[edit... good timing - page ownage]

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #202, 12-17-2009 01:14 AM
      Got the lower intake, timing chain, water pump, Balancer, and crank pulley on today, and i put the 36lb/h injectors on my fuel rail also. Sorry, no pics.

It just hit me recently how much I miss my car. It hasn't moved in 6 months.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #203, 12-23-2009 02:39 AM
      Got some stuff done today, put on the engine on cradle with tranny. Tried to mate them correctly but it didn't work as well as plan
----->http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078875.html



I need to move the tranny left like an inch and it would be perfect. The engine is in the correct spot. Still need to paint the engine though, no biggie. But I gotta get that aligned right first.

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #204, 12-23-2009 03:44 PM
      Still damn good work. We're cheering you on!

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #205, 12-23-2009 03:55 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

Got some stuff done today, put on the engine on cradle with tranny. Tried to mate them correctly but it didn't work as well as plan
----->http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078875.html



I need to move the tranny left like an inch and it would be perfect. The engine is in the correct spot. Still need to paint the engine though, no biggie. But I gotta get that aligned right first.




STOP BREAKIN STUFF lol j/k dude. hope you fix it.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #206, 12-23-2009 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pontiackid86:
STOP BREAKIN STUFF lol j/k dude. hope you fix it.


Look whose talking! Didn't you break the starter on tyler's car?
But yea I feel like a total idiot about that.


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #207, 12-24-2009 09:05 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


Look whose talking! Didn't you break the starter on tyler's car?
But yea I feel like a total idiot about that.



Nope me and DIY-Stu fixed it.
I was just there so they blamed me for it.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #208, 01-19-2010 12:10 AM
      I got myself another 4T60 from pull-a-part. Got it from a 1991 Chevy Lumina Euro 3.1 with 170k miles. Totally wore me out, took 2 days. Not as clean as my broken one but then again, its not broken.


compared to my clean but broken one.

Going to gut the dirty one and clean it up and paint it, then gut the broken one and move all of the parts to the non-broken one. Then, ta-da, a brand new non-broken 4T60.


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #209, 01-19-2010 12:31 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:



Going to gut the dirty one and clean it up and paint it, then gut the broken one and move all of the parts to the non-broken one. Then, ta-da, a brand new non-broken 4T60.


I don't know why you are going through all the trouble when that "broken trans" can be easily fixed


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #210, 01-19-2010 01:05 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Erik:


I don't know why you are going through all the trouble when that "broken trans" can be easily fixed


I was told by a professional transmission rebuilder with 14 years of experience (also the person who helped me build that very transmission) that it really can't be fixed to the point where its just like it wasn't broken. I mean, you mostly likely could, but the chance of it being wrong and then the transmission being off-center to the engine is greater. That will cause damage to either the main bearings, or the transmission oil pump or the input shaft seals. Since i spent nearly 2 grand on my engine, (and that's a lot for someone of my age) it ain't worth it too me. I'd rather step up and do the right thing, can't cut corners here and kick myself later.

As much as I don't like going through all this trouble, I learned my lesson, and its the right thing to do.

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IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #211, 01-19-2010 01:07 AM
      wow sorry for the loss, if it makes you feel any better im in for a new trans to! so lame

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #212, 01-19-2010 01:22 AM
      Oh and here is a picture of me removing the engine/transmission from the car itself. Yes I know that looks dangerous, I didn't get hurt.
If you notice, i tried the previous day to remove the transmission by myself, and i failed. That is the side of the transmission sticking up.

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N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #213, 01-19-2010 01:44 AM
      I think I'm going to go a similar direction as you minus turbo. I'd like to build a mild 3.4PR for around 200 ponies on the ground and mate it to a 4T60. I think that would be fun daily driving and good gas mileage. In any case.. If you've got time to be posting on a forum, you've got time to work on the car! I don't care if it's night! I'll ship PK over there to break stuff if you don't.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #214, 01-19-2010 02:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by N3M3S1S:

I think I'm going to go a similar direction as you minus turbo. I'd like to build a mild 3.4PR for around 200 ponies on the ground and mate it to a 4T60. I think that would be fun daily driving and good gas mileage. In any case.. If you've got time to be posting on a forum, you've got time to work on the car! I don't care if it's night! I'll ship PK over there to break stuff if you don't.


I can't do as much because of the weather outside. Next weekend i'll be swapping the parts in the transmissions though and then i can get the ball rolling some more.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #215, 01-26-2010 08:26 PM
      Update. Got the trans guts moved to the good case, and mounted correctly on the cradle (had to redrill the rear mount though). Then I put the control arm assembles on and popped in the axles to see if the trans was sitting right or not. Looked pretty good. Only one problem. The axles look to be the right ones, but my new wheel bearing hubs don't fit into the passenger side axles' splines. The driver's side is fine, no issues there. The splines look to be the same number. What could the problem be?
Anyway, hopefully I'm be putting the engine on the cradle tommorow, then i can start building it up and get this project going! Only issue is the cold weather outside.
Also, I want to put a piece of wood under the control arms, I don't like the way they are sitting. Don't want to harm the axles.


And the empty bad case, going in for scrap.


Jefrysuko MSG #216, 01-26-2010 10:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

As much as I don't like going through all this trouble, I learned my lesson, and its the right thing to do.



Way to go man! I'm really impressed with the way you sucked it up and made the hard decision. I also can't believe that you did all of this in the middle of this horrible winter! I have barely made it out to my garage the past month and a half.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #217, 01-26-2010 11:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jefrysuko:


Way to go man! I'm really impressed with the way you sucked it up and made the hard decision. I also can't believe that you did all of this in the middle of this horrible winter! I have barely made it out to my garage the past month and a half.


I gotta do what I gotta do. I really miss my car, its been without an engine since June of last year. So my goal currently is at the latest April 1st, all back together and running good.


pocket dude 411 MSG #218, 01-27-2010 12:27 AM
      Damnn... havent been on here in awhile but im glad to see your moving along with the project!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #219, 01-27-2010 07:41 PM
      SUCCESS! Finally (with the help of a Fiero friend) I correctly got the engine mated with the transmission. This time without breaking the transmission. Now I can finally start putting all the pieces together.
Next lesson that I learned the hard way. Put the bolts back in the holes if you can. I can't find several bolts.




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #220, 02-02-2010 04:10 PM
      Update. I got a few things in the mail within the past few days. Archie's battery box, a antenna base from Hulki (thanks! ), and I got my Magnaflow muffler today. It's going to sound so mean!
Yesterday, I attached the A/C compressor, starter, Oil pressure sender, and a few other things. Since one of the bosses is missing for the lower A/C bracket, I tapped the hole on that little strut piece and I'm going to bolt it on that way.
I did find out I have a sight problem. I have Rodney Dickman's belt tensioner and it looks great, but the belt he provided with his kit is too long! Maybe it has something to do with the 88 alternator I bought?




Edit: Yes, I know it looks kinda crappy in the pictures, I'm going to paint things later.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #221, 02-02-2010 06:06 PM
      I just painted most of what i could and installed my good valve covers! Pictures will tell the story.




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #222, 02-10-2010 07:17 PM
      Turns out Rodney Dickman sent me the wrong belt when I ordered the 2.8 Idler pulley a while ago. So he sent a me another belt free of charge. Thank you Rodney. It fits perfect now.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #223, 02-15-2010 07:30 PM
      Got more things done with my engine, (since there is a foot of snow on top of my Fiero currently), including the thermostat housing, correct gaskets for the valve covers, middle intake, a few other small things. The top intake piece is there right now just to keep dust out and for a picture.



Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #224, 02-15-2010 09:21 PM
      That's a good lookin' engine.

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #225, 02-15-2010 10:32 PM
      Looks really good!



randye (randy@enerson1.com) MSG #226, 02-16-2010 02:43 AM
      Wow, that's really looking good!
I like the blue intake and valve covers. Makes me almost want to refinish mine like that.
You're doing nice clean job on this mattwa, keep up the nice work.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #227, 02-16-2010 09:29 AM
      I Ordered a set of Truelo Headers with the Y-pipe today. Can't wait to get them, Then i can start building my exhaust, which is pretty much my next step. It will pretty much be: the Truelo Headers and Y-pipe, down to a Magnaflow muffler, then straight out to Hooker Resonator Tips. Its going to sound MEAN!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #228, 02-16-2010 06:06 PM
      Just wanted to give an update on the actual Fiero itself since I have been focusing on the power train for so long on this thread. Well...here it is.



I call it "free body mods"

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NCTyphoonKid (cdahr@triad.rr.com) MSG #229, 02-16-2010 07:33 PM
      Looks great Matt! I think the blue sets it off nicely! Great work BTW did you ever get your antenna fixed?
Korey


FFIEROFRED (frwihall@aol.com) MSG #230, 02-16-2010 08:16 PM
      When you put it back in to the car, keep a eye on the top of the trans filler pipe. I had to bend mine away from the back heat shield to get it to clear as the drive line went in. It's not easy to see when you are doing it. You will love the overdrive. If you had used the 4t60 with the 2.84 gear you would have to stop every 200 miles to take gas OUT of the car it would get that good a gas mileage. I got 35 mpg @ 70 with a 3.8 and the 2.84. With a change to the 3.33 gears in the same car/engine I got a 27 mpg. But it was a world of diffents in how it got to 70!

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #231, 02-16-2010 08:46 PM
      I call dibs on the first ride in your car when it's finished, Matt. Any chance you might make it to MN for the Tyler memorial car show July 24th?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #232, 02-16-2010 08:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NCTyphoonKid:

Looks great Matt! I think the blue sets it off nicely! Great work BTW did you ever get your antenna fixed?
Korey

Yea a forum member sent me a non-stripper antenna base. Going to install it when weather is good.

 
quote
Originally posted by FFIEROFRED:

When you put it back in to the car, keep a eye on the top of the trans filler pipe. I had to bend mine away from the back heat shield to get it to clear as the drive line went in. It's not easy to see when you are doing it. You will love the overdrive. If you had used the 4t60 with the 2.84 gear you would have to stop every 200 miles to take gas OUT of the car it would get that good a gas mileage. I got 35 mpg @ 70 with a 3.8 and the 2.84. With a change to the 3.33 gears in the same car/engine I got a 27 mpg. But it was a world of diffents in how it got to 70!

I have read horror story's about that, so I'm leaving it off until the cradle is in the car. As for the Final drive ratio, I went with the middle, 3.06, so I will have both good acceleration and good fuel economy.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #233, 02-16-2010 08:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

I call dibs on the first ride in your car when it's finished, Matt. Any chance you might make it to MN for the Tyler memorial car show July 24th?


Ok Andy. And the date was changed from Labor day weekend to July 24th. I will try my best to be there, but will YOU be there?


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #234, 02-16-2010 08:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Ok Andy. And the date was changed from Labor day weekend to July 24th. I will try my best to be there, but will YOU be there?


Even if I have to sell testicles and kidneys to pay for the trip, I will be there.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #235, 02-16-2010 08:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Even if I have to sell testicles and kidneys to pay for the trip, I will be there.


Great, I will plan to be there then, with my Fiero. Hopefully it will make the 950 mile trip.

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Jason88Notchie (jasonshaffstall@gmail.com) MSG #236, 02-17-2010 05:23 PM
      Mat, read through your entire thread. Freaking wow! You are driven!!! I would truely be honored for you to help me with my car. I said before you got mad skills with the wrench but now I see you are gifted. At the age of 17 you have more knowledge than most that have worked on cars for many years! Great work homie!!!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #237, 02-17-2010 08:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jason88Notchie:

Mat, read through your entire thread. Freaking wow! You are driven!!! I would truely be honored for you to help me with my car. I said before you got mad skills with the wrench but now I see you are gifted. At the age of 17 you have more knowledge than most that have worked on cars for many years! Great work homie!!!


Wow, thanks for the complements. I just try my best at what I enjoy doing.


Jason88Notchie (jasonshaffstall@gmail.com) MSG #238, 02-19-2010 12:24 PM
      bump

87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #239, 02-19-2010 02:45 PM
      nice work......

Jason88Notchie (jasonshaffstall@gmail.com) MSG #240, 02-19-2010 04:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

I call dibs on the first ride in your car when it's finished, Matt. Any chance you might make it to MN for the Tyler memorial car show July 24th?


HA!! I get the first ride! Distance is your enemy. Matt lives just a few miles from me.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #241, 02-23-2010 11:14 PM
      Update! I got a ton of stuff done today on this project. I got my wiring harness on, but not fully connected yet. I got the firewall coolant tube installed, as well as the A/C lines. I made and installed a EGR port block-off for the upper intake plenum, Welded the cold injector line nut shut, filling the hole. Started modifying the shift lever and cable bracket for the 4T60. I also finally solved my passenger axle issue my lightly filing the splines, the wheel bearing fit like a glove after that. Hopefully I will get my exhaust headers sometime soon, so i can start finally finishing this sucker up!
Sorry about the poor pictures, my camera didn't like me today I guess.




Woo, I own page 7!

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Fiero_Fan_88 (kyle86gt@aol.com) MSG #242, 02-23-2010 11:25 PM
      I've been loosely following this and haven't read everything but are you still going with the turbo? Just wondering because I saw you went with the trueleo headers. If your going with the turbo still hows the progress on the manifold?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #243, 02-23-2010 11:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero_Fan_88:

I've been loosely following this and haven't read everything but are you still going with the turbo? Just wondering because I saw you went with the trueleo headers. If your going with the turbo still hows the progress on the manifold?



No, sorry, I dropped the Turbo idea a while ago. Too much cost and too complex at this point in time. Just want to get it running first.

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Tony Kania MSG #244, 02-24-2010 12:19 PM
      Looking great Mattwa! You deserve a pat on the back for coming this far. I may have passed it up, but when is the projected start up date? Ohh, the anticipation!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #245, 02-24-2010 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Looking great Mattwa! You deserve a pat on the back for coming this far. I may have passed it up, but when is the projected start up date? Ohh, the anticipation!


I never set a date, but I was hoping on or before April 1st. But if not, not the biggest deal in the world, I don't want to rush anything.

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #246, 03-02-2010 06:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


I never set a date, but I was hoping on or before April 1st. But if not, not the biggest deal in the world, I don't want to rush anything.



BS! Rush that puppy so I can hear it run! Updates?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #247, 03-04-2010 05:50 PM
      Got a few things done today. I drilled out the one bellhousing hole to 1/2 so a bolt would go through into the transmission (a 3.4 swap requirement), modified and re-adjusted the engine to trans bracket, and i got a section of exhaust pipe in from the mail from Andy. Thanks Andy! I also FINALLY bought the correct size injectors from eBay (19lb injectors from a V8 mustang..$30), I can get a lot done after they get here. Plus, my headers and almost complete and will be shipping hopefully soon.
Now, on to my next problem. I need a welder to weld my exhaust together, and I do not want to pay a muffler shop to do it. My school has a awesome MIG welder in metalworking but I really can't just bring in my whole exhaust and weld it together, that would be a no-no. What to do.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #248, 03-08-2010 10:12 PM
      Big update today.
Today, I un-covered my Fiero for the first time since December. There was still a bunch of "snow ice" around it that I couldn't shovel that made it very hard to work on but I got a few things done. I removed my front rotors to get them turned into rotors, and replaced my brake dust shields with better ones I got from the Fiero Factory. Unfortunately, later in the future my front suspension needs a tear down and rebuild also, as it has a bunch of surface rust and the rubber looks bad. But for right now, I'm upgrading the brakes with vented rotors and stainless steel braided brake lines. I still have a lot to do on the actual car itself, so please excuse the mess inside the car.




Fast forward to this evening, I installed my 19lb injectors from a 2003 Mustang GT onto my fuel rail and installed it on my middle intake. Then, I connected my fuel lines, and bolted the top intake on and connected everything that I could up. I also cut up and welded back together the shift lever, so that's done too. So, except for the exhaust and a some little tiny stuff, my engine is pretty much complete.




I'm getting excited. It's getting really close to going in and starting up. and then actually driving it.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #249, 03-09-2010 10:12 PM
      Today I did mostly wiring on the car, I wired most of the new digital cruise control and finished the wiring for my auto-dimming mirror. Still need to shim it though, as it flops around on the windshield.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #250, 03-10-2010 08:03 PM
      Update! Guess what came in the mail today?


I didn't have the exhaust gasket's and Autozone had to order them from a Hub store, so since I had to wait till i can get them tomorrow, I just put one 2 of the bolts per side. These are VERY nice. It even comes with Allen headed exhaust bolts! Also tomorrow, I will be taking my whole exhaust to school and welding it all together. Its super close to going in now! I'd say most likely not this weekend but next weekend I'll drop the engine back in.







Tony Kania MSG #251, 03-10-2010 09:40 PM
      I envy your exaust. You are going to have to post a video of it on startup.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #252, 03-12-2010 12:54 AM
      Got a lot done today on the actual car itself since it was 72F and sunny outside. Replaced the antenna base that I broke earlier, put the fender back on, and cut the hole for the Archie battery tray I bought. At school today, I welded pretty much my whole exhaust, but I didn't finish it, so I'll finish it and take it home tomorrow. Sent out the chip to get reprogrammed by Ryan of Sinister Performance today, also. I think I might be able to put the engine in my car not this weekend, but the following weekend. I didn't say run just yet, but in the car. I still have a few things I need to do before then.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #253, 03-13-2010 12:54 AM
      Finished welding the exhaust today and after school I put it under the engine cradle, doesn't look right atm because the cradle being on the pallet messes it up. I also received my Universal custom length spark plug wires from Summit racing today, and they are blue. Anyone notice a color theme going on here?

EDIT: 1500th post WOO!

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #254, 03-13-2010 08:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Anyone notice a color theme going on here?



Ford Blue? LOL.

Seriously, Matt. This install is so clean and meticulous, I can't wait to see it in the car. You are almost there!!!!


Lilchief MSG #255, 03-13-2010 09:47 PM
      mattwa: Just a little suggestion here but I had the same exhaust on my 85gt. Or at least from the hooker tips to the short piece before the Y. You will feel a considerable amount of lost power from the small pipe between the muffler you have and the Y. I would change it to at least a 2.25", 2.5" is about right. Just for curiousity you can drive it with and without piping from the muffler to come to your own conclusion. I tried this and went from a 15.7 to a 14.9. I also done a back pressure test both ways and got 5.8 lbs of back pressure with and less than 1 with out. I presently have 3" because I was wanting to run nitrouis, haven't got around to that yet. Also I wish I would have used a duke torque convertor or a little higher. Your build does look pretty nice.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #256, 03-14-2010 12:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Ford Blue? LOL.

Seriously, Matt. This install is so clean and meticulous, I can't wait to see it in the car. You are almost there!!!!


It's not Ford Blue. I know your joking but I can just hear people in the future.."Why did you paint it Ford Blue?" or the even more obvious question, "Why did you paint it blue/silver in a GOLD car?" Because a Gold engine would be ugly that's why.

 
quote
Originally posted by Lilchief:

mattwa: Just a little suggestion here but I had the same exhaust on my 85gt. Or at least from the hooker tips to the short piece before the Y. You will feel a considerable amount of lost power from the small pipe between the muffler you have and the Y. I would change it to at least a 2.25", 2.5" is about right. Just for curiousity you can drive it with and without piping from the muffler to come to your own conclusion. I tried this and went from a 15.7 to a 14.9. I also done a back pressure test both ways and got 5.8 lbs of back pressure with and less than 1 with out. I presently have 3" because I was wanting to run nitrouis, haven't got around to that yet. Also I wish I would have used a duke torque convertor or a little higher. Your build does look pretty nice.



Too late now, but thank you for the suggestion. I'll see how it is in the future. But maybe it won't be that bad for me since I have headers.


Blue87Fiero (carson_shell@hotmail.com) MSG #257, 03-14-2010 09:55 AM
      looks real good I agree a gold engine would be ugly. Just paint the car blue and the problems solved.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #258, 03-14-2010 11:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blue87Fiero:

looks real good I agree a gold engine would be ugly. Just paint the car blue and the problems solved.


Well I like the Gold on the outside, and even if I changed the color to blue, it would look ugly with a tan interior, so I would have to change the interior color to black or something. See where I'm getting at?

BTW: This thread will continue on even after its running and driving. Still have many things planned for it in the future.


Blue87Fiero (carson_shell@hotmail.com) MSG #259, 03-14-2010 01:17 PM
      Black and blue interior would be sweet mines red and black. Its real easy to do but your money is tied up in the trunk right now.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #260, 03-14-2010 03:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blue87Fiero:

Black and blue interior would be sweet mines red and black. Its real easy to do but your money is tied up in the trunk right now.


Yea, real easy to do with $$$. Which I don't have. I'm don't think I want to do that with this Fiero, I'll do that with my next Fiero.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #261, 03-14-2010 04:37 PM
      I did some small things today on my engine today, flipped the brake shields around since i installed them backwards the first time, tightened the rest of my headers (had to make a tool to tighten the Allen bolts, had very little room in some spots. Didn't work on my fiero today as the weather was bad, but sometime this week i plan to go to pull-a-part to get some things for my swap. I also found out today I messed up on my muffler pipe piece, so I have to cut it and re-weld it, needs to be flipped 90 degrees.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #262, 03-15-2010 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

It's not Ford Blue. I know your joking but I can just hear people in the future.."Why did you paint it Ford Blue?" or the even more obvious question, "Why did you paint it blue/silver in a GOLD car?" Because a Gold engine would be ugly that's why.


Of course I was joking! My intake and valve covers will be getting painted blue as well, because my car is getting painted blue.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #263, 03-15-2010 09:37 PM
      Update! Got lots O stuff done in the past few days, so now its too the point where all I need is a oil dip-stick (lost mine..got one in the mail heading my way) and to re-weld my exhaust piece (because it wouldn't work the way I had it) and it will be ready to go into the car! I'm shooting for Saturday! or maybe even sometime this week.







mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #264, 03-15-2010 09:49 PM
      Here is a before and after of my progress so far. June 11,2009 to March 15, 2010









And if you followed along, not much is left from what I took out.

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Blue87Fiero (carson_shell@hotmail.com) MSG #265, 03-15-2010 09:52 PM
      Looks real pretty you better paint the engine bay to it will look real dirty next to that clean engine.

edit: Now that I typed this I think you did paint with por-15 but im not gonna go back and read to find out I guess it looked dirty in the pic at the top of the page. But anyway looks real good. Once it starts you better go find a turbo for it

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #266, 03-15-2010 10:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blue87Fiero:

Looks real pretty you better paint the engine bay to it will look real dirty next to that clean engine.

edit: Now that I typed this I think you did paint with por-15 but im not gonna go back and read to find out I guess it looked dirty in the pic at the top of the page. But anyway looks real good. Once it starts you better go find a turbo for it



Yes I did.

And no. I have a Turbo, and I'm selling it. If I want to go forced induction in the future, It will be with a supercharger.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #267, 03-16-2010 03:10 PM
      I didn't get a chance to weld my exhaust today, forgot to bring it with me too school. But, I did work on some wiring on the car. I decided to go ahead with installing a FM modulator we had sitting around, and I'm hiding it under the carpet. Where the old cruise control box used to be, to be exact. The power switch and input jack will be mounted next to the cig. lighter on that black plastic piece.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #268, 03-16-2010 07:03 PM
      Color me jealous, Matt. Your work speaks for itself.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #269, 03-17-2010 07:31 PM
      Update:
IT IS IN!!!!!
( please excuse how it looks here. Had lots of fun getting it in. )





Yea, I know it's messy but i haven't connected much yet.
Exhaust tips are not correct right now, driver side has too much angle.

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DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #270, 03-17-2010 08:01 PM
      Awesome Matt!!!

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #271, 03-17-2010 08:02 PM
      Matt, all I can say is congratulations. If it runs half as good as it looks, you are in for a treat. Great work my friend, great work.

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #272, 03-17-2010 08:11 PM
      Not bad bro. But Tstang brought this up to me. A blue engine in a gold car...... Shame on you

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #273, 03-17-2010 08:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Matt, all I can say is congratulations. If it runs half as good as it looks, you are in for a treat. Great work my friend, great work.


I'm honestly really anxious about that. I really hope it starts and runs. Or else I'll have a nice, pretty, and expensive paper weight.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #274, 03-17-2010 08:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Not bad bro. But Tstang brought this up to me. A blue engine in a gold car...... Shame on you


Yea yea I know. Get used to it for now, as I ain't changing the color of my Fiero as of right now.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #275, 03-17-2010 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


I'm honestly really anxious about that. I really hope it starts and runs. Or else I'll have a nice, pretty, and expensive paper weight.


Don't sweat it. You were very meticulous with your build. Have faith in your abilities young one.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #276, 03-17-2010 09:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Don't sweat it. You were very meticulous with your build. Have faith in your abilities young one.


Thanks. I'm happy I have gotten this far, but I still have a lot of work ahead of me to finish this up. Putting everything back together after 10 months is fun.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #277, 03-17-2010 10:18 PM
      Looks real good man. maybe one day we can cruise together.

Ridgelandbaseball (pwammons@oh.rr.com) MSG #278, 03-18-2010 08:49 AM
      Bump from a very proud dad.

carbon MSG #279, 03-18-2010 09:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ridgelandbaseball:

Bump from a very proud dad.


Rightfully so... Great work!

By the way blue paint with tan interior is not ugly...


Tony Kania MSG #280, 03-18-2010 12:23 PM
      I am with Carbon on this one. The blue paint is awesome. I like the contrast.

You still need to start her up, but the progress that you have achieved is practically unheard of in a man as young as you. You are a respected member here, and the way that you carry yourself among your piers (sp) is surely something that you have learned from your family. Can't wait for the first startup!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #281, 03-19-2010 03:25 PM
      Update.
Here is what I have been doing the past 2 days:



Love how the plug wires came out. Not as happy with the cruise control.


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #282, 03-19-2010 03:48 PM
      Ahh, just get another blue wireloom for it and it won't be bad.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #283, 03-21-2010 04:39 PM
      Update. Got some stuff done recently, even though it has been really cold and windy outside, so I didn't get as much done as I wanted but oh well.
Got and installed my new 94 Blazer MC, and ran #2 welding cable along the bottom of the car.


Made and installed a shim for my auto-dimming mirror, so now it doesn't wobble anymore.

Today I installed a FM modulator and put my whole radio back together. I put the FM modulator where the old cruise control box was, so you can't see it.

Hooked up my 7730 computer to the car, still have a few wires to run and finish up for the A/C pressure sensor (which i still need to get)

And here is a shot of what my engine looks like as of today. Installed my dog bone (yes I know its red), so that moved the engine forward a bit, and tightned all 4 cradle bolts.

Here is the exhaust piece I still need to install.

Only a a few more things and i can fire it up! Exhaust, battery cable, and trans cooler lines! Oh and I need to get my chip back from Sinister Performance.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 03-21-2010).]

Tzone21 MSG #284, 03-21-2010 09:03 PM
      Sweet build! After you get it running/driving you may have to spruce up your exterior a lil bit, cuz right now its pretty tough to be worthy of a engine that nice!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #285, 03-21-2010 11:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tzone21:

Sweet build! After you get it running/driving you may have to spruce up your exterior a lil bit, cuz right now its pretty tough to be worthy of a engine that nice!


Don't remind me. Paint isn't that great right now. I plan on getting wheels, a hood scoop of some type, side scoops of some type, and then paint.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #286, 03-22-2010 12:36 PM
      That is one of the cleanest installs I have ever seen. Now will come the fun part, keeping it that nice! When are you coming to PA to help me get my car on the road? I have a 7730 here that I want to install, so you can work on that while I finish the dash swap. Are you planning to drive your car to MN this summer? If you are, I have been thinking about driving my car out as well, and maybe I could meet up with you in OH. That way if something happens to my car on the road, I have your knowledge on hand to help me get going again.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #287, 03-22-2010 02:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

That is one of the cleanest installs I have ever seen. Now will come the fun part, keeping it that nice! When are you coming to PA to help me get my car on the road? I have a 7730 here that I want to install, so you can work on that while I finish the dash swap. Are you planning to drive your car to MN this summer? If you are, I have been thinking about driving my car out as well, and maybe I could meet up with you in OH. That way if something happens to my car on the road, I have your knowledge on hand to help me get going again.


Yea, I almost don't want to drive it because i don't want to get it dirty. Actually my dad suggested that when I get my car going on the road again, too take a shorter trip first to see how it does, and then the 900+ mile trip to MN. So yea, I'm up for that. I can do the 7730 swap (did it once already), it isn't too hard, you just need to get a digital EGR if you still want one, and get the MEM-CAL reprogrammed by Ryan at Sinister Performance (great guy). the rest is repinning wires, I didn't cut any stock wires at the terminals, I have a tool that I bought that I can bring with me that pops the pin out and lets a new one go in.
I think we should meet somewhere in OH and cruise down together, in case either of our cars breaks down.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 03-22-2010).]

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #288, 03-24-2010 09:33 PM
      Update.
Today I installed the rear brakes and installed the SS brake lines in the rear also (front later). I also got my battery wiring finished, and my car is now alive! Turned the radio on, etc etc. That tang-band sub still works great! I do have a electrical issue that i haven't had before, the ajar light flickers on and off randomly,even when the door is closed, and some other weird things. And I got to see my tail-lights in action again. But the best part was, i turned the key to start for a split-second, and I heard the starter motor move a little bit. All i need to do now is add coolant (lost a hose clamp..need to get one) and ATF (need to make cooler lines) and finish/fix exhaust and then I can try to start her up!


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #289, 03-24-2010 10:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Update.
Today I installed the rear brakes and installed the SS brake lines in the rear also (front later). I also got my battery wiring finished, and my car is now alive! Turned the radio on, etc etc. That tang-band sub still works great! I do have a electrical issue that i haven't had before, the ajar light flickers on and off randomly,even when the door is closed, and some other weird things. And I got to see my tail-lights in action again. But the best part was, i turned the key to start for a split-second, and I heard the starter motor move a little bit. All i need to do now is add coolant (lost a hose clamp..need to get one) and ATF (need to make cooler lines) and finish/fix exhaust and then I can try to start her up!


I bet you cant wait!! I remember getting my car alive again after a major overhaul. I was just excited to hook up the battery and see the dome light on again.

BTW- Your the man Matt I am really impressed!!

[This message has been edited by DeLorean00 (edited 03-24-2010).]

mmeyer86gt/gtp (deepbluez98@yahoo.com) MSG #290, 03-25-2010 09:56 AM
      Ajar light might be from the hood or the trunk when the sensor is not firmly set release the sensor.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #291, 03-25-2010 03:14 PM
      I submitted an article about my build for the April newsletter for the Cleveland Fiero Club. And guess what, It made the front cover. I gave several pictures from my collection, so those were used as well.
One of the editors wrote a comment next to this picture:

"Is that a rented welder? Come on dad buy the guy a welder"


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #292, 03-25-2010 06:59 PM
      Oooooooooohhhhhh!!!!! The day draws near that the beast gets to roar!

Marko MSG #293, 03-25-2010 10:26 PM
      O.K. everybody.

Start the countdown clock.

Matt's gonna fire this thing up soon.

I am on the edge of my chair, waiting to see what happens next.

Really cool build thread for someone so young.

Way to go Matt.

You, are indeed a "Fiero-holic"



thedrue MSG #294, 03-26-2010 02:32 AM
      It looks awesome man! I cant wait to see how it runs? Ill bet your on the edge of your seat.

Quick question though I do not see the distributor hold down clamp in those pictures. It should be installed holding in the plug. I would hate for the plug to work its way loose and puke oil all over your clean engine or worse prevent the oil pump from turning and hurting some bearings.

Congrats!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #295, 03-26-2010 01:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by thedrue:

It looks awesome man! I cant wait to see how it runs? Ill bet your on the edge of your seat.

Quick question though I do not see the distributor hold down clamp in those pictures. It should be installed holding in the plug. I would hate for the plug to work its way loose and puke oil all over your clean engine or worse prevent the oil pump from turning and hurting some bearings.

Congrats!


Sharp eye, In that photo it wasn't on yet because I was using a distributor base that I cut up to "pre-oil" the engine. That hold down piece is now firmly in place.

Im not on the edge of my seat right now, as it snowed yesterday and its still cold outside, plus I am currently sick and I feel like crap. and I work all weekend, like usual.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 03-26-2010).]

Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #296, 03-26-2010 02:29 PM
      Do you have a video camera? I'd really like to see / hear this car run. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who does.

I like how you've cleaned up the wiring, hoses, cables, etc. Looks nice and clean, much nicer than the "rat's nest" in a stock 2.8 engine bay.

Why is this thread NOT in the Construction Zone?


Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #297, 03-26-2010 04:01 PM
      Matt I found the mounting bracket for the "4cyld" style computer. Ill stop over possibly monday before I go out to my Fiero and drop it off. Car looks awesome! I am still looking for the machined front rotors/hubs.



thedrue MSG #298, 03-27-2010 12:05 AM
      Well glad the dizzy hold down is in place. I just did the DIS swap so I am still keenly aware of what needs to be done. Please post a first start of that bad boy!

You will not be disappointed and will be able to take so much more pride in your ride than most of the people out there. Thats such an awesome feeling.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #299, 03-27-2010 02:37 AM
      Yes, don't worry, I have a video camera and I will record and post the first startup of this thing. Although if I remembered correctly, the quality wasn't the best.

Dementia (jccarter33@yahoo.com) MSG #300, 03-27-2010 11:24 AM
      Great job Matt. I'm gonna have to come to cleveland and mingle with you cleveland fiero guys.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #301, 03-27-2010 07:47 PM
      I'm cheering you on buddy, and I'm on pins and needles for the beginning of your dream to start.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #302, 03-28-2010 03:52 PM
      I haven't been able to do anything this weekend due to working 26 hours this weekend, and the weather has been crappy outside as of late. My goal is still to start it up by April 1st.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 03-28-2010).]

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #303, 03-28-2010 04:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I haven't been able to do anything this weekend due to working 26 hours this weekend, and the weather has been crappy outside as of late. My goal is still to start it up by April 1st.



I think you should come to the GM Nationals with me in Carlisle this year on May 15th. It's a great event, as well as swap meet, and you could stay at my place if you want Friday night.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #304, 03-28-2010 05:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


I think you should come to the GM Nationals with me in Carlisle this year on May 15th. It's a great event, as well as swap meet, and you could stay at my place if you want Friday night.


Isn't that event June 26-28th?


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #305, 03-28-2010 08:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Isn't that event June 26-28th?


Yes it is, forgive my blonde moment.


kyunderdawg MSG #306, 03-28-2010 09:49 PM
      Very cool, Matt. Coming along great.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #307, 03-28-2010 11:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Yes it is, forgive my blonde moment.


I'm there then.


Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #308, 03-29-2010 10:57 AM
      Ill be there if I can get my Fiero going and running correctly! That means no leaks of any kind. Matt Ill be over with that computer bracket. I think i might have given those hubs away to someone else as i couldnt find them. Im off at 3:30 today.

Ditkaphile (ditkaphile@comcast.net) MSG #309, 03-29-2010 11:28 AM
      Awesome work, great build thread...very impressive!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #310, 03-29-2010 07:19 PM
      Today was OK until a certain event (more in a minute). I fixed the wiring to my mirror so that works now, I wired in my narrowband fuel mix gauge, got a clamp for a coolant hose that I was missing, and bought an adapter piece for my trans cooling lines. That piece wasn't the right size so I'll go back to Napa tomorrow to get something different.
I added 2 gallons of coolant, 1 in the thermostat, and 1 in the radiator. What happens next? I find coolant DRIPPING at a good rate from under the water pump. GRRRR.
Just when I was so close too something happens. MAN.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #311, 03-29-2010 08:14 PM
      Stuff happens, don't get discouraged. You are so close, and resealing that water pump is not a huge chore. I just changed mine out last weekend in about 2 hours or so.

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #312, 03-29-2010 08:46 PM
      You will get it done Matt!! A water pump is something you can do in your sleep compared to the rest of this project.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #313, 03-30-2010 08:50 PM
      Well ladies and gentlemen, I attempted but failed to start it today. The water pump issue was just 2 loose bolts, so I filled the coolant, and found out my coolant overflow bottle leaks when you fill past a certain point. Made the trans cooling lines today, and put in a bunch of Fluid in that too. Put the exhaust on (for the most part), and tried to start it. All that happened was the starter kept on clicking and if you kept it to "start", after a few seconds the engine side of the C500 would start to smoke. At first I thought it didn't have enough battery power but that wasn't the problem. Got under the car, and tugged at the battery cable for the starter and it popped right out. Whoops. That, and the copper terminal connector was loose. I had the whole power to the car going from the starter to the power thing under the C500. Is this wrong? I also realized I don't have a engine to frame ground either. I will address these issues tomorrow, and hopefully, I'll get it to crank over and maybe even start!
I have video but I'm sure people don't wanna see it.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 03-30-2010).]

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #314, 03-30-2010 09:20 PM
      Sounds like your getting there!!

As for the overflow bottle. I have a used one you can have, but the shipping and time for me to pull it probably won't help you much.

But lucky for you, the Fiero Store sells new ones for only $25!

http://fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=66923

[This message has been edited by DeLorean00 (edited 03-30-2010).]

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #315, 03-30-2010 09:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:

Sounds like your getting there!!

As for the overflow bottle. I have a used one you can have, but the shipping and time for me to pull it probably won't help you much.

But lucky for you, the Fiero Store sells new ones for only $25!



Yea I know they sell one. I was planning to buy one anyway because of the tab missing at the top.

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Camel (camelhmpz@aol.com) MSG #316, 03-30-2010 10:13 PM
      Matt, I've been lurking in your thread now for a few weeks, good luck, youre almost there, everything looks really good! I am about to build up a 3.4 myself, so I'm keeping a close eye on yours! :-D

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #317, 03-31-2010 01:23 AM
      Everyone, I have an announcement. This whole project is now called, "The Gold Rush Project", and my Fiero is now named "Gold Rush". Much thanks to batousai666 for the name idea. It is the start of a new beginning! See the updated first post of this Thread.

pop (craig.jupiter@gmail.com) MSG #318, 03-31-2010 01:47 AM
      WOW !
Very cool indeed !



87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #319, 03-31-2010 05:23 AM
      in the construction zone now . Lets here this puppy fire!

carbon MSG #320, 03-31-2010 07:31 AM
      Congrats on the well deserved move to the construction zone!!!

batousai666 MSG #321, 03-31-2010 08:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Everyone, I have an announcement. This whole project is now called, "The Gold Rush Project", and my Fiero is now named "Gold Rush". Much thanks to batousai666 for the name idea. It is the start of a new beginning! See the updated first post of this Thread.



I am honored my friend. thank you.
are you going to get a vanity plate??
i like mine.


$30 in MI, for one plate. $5 more for 2nd. one for the front. or in my case the garage wall. with the rest of my old plates.

you in Cleveland, ehh!? i spend alot of time DownTown at Peabodies DownUnder.
at least 4 times a year. next time i am there, i will give you a shout.
i wanna see the "GOLDRUSH" in action.
again good choice, if i must say so, myself
later
Dan

[This message has been edited by batousai666 (edited 03-31-2010).]

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #322, 03-31-2010 08:59 AM
      Congrats on making it into The Construction Zone!

Tony Kania MSG #323, 03-31-2010 02:25 PM
      Woo, hoo! The Construction zone!



Turkey on Rye (c.r.weeks@hotmail.com) MSG #324, 03-31-2010 02:36 PM
      hey man, looks great.

Not sure if anyone answered your ? about the power cable, but yes that is an OK setup. Def. need to get a solid block to chassis ground hooked up though, even if you get it started without one it will significantly improve things if you had one. Just my .02

Good luck bro.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #325, 03-31-2010 08:35 PM
      Awww.......SNAP. You're in the Zone now! Congrats buddy! And I'm loving the name of the project. Hey, if you want a used overflow bottle, I have one on the parts car at my house right now. It's in pretty decent shape, and will work well until you buy a new one from the FS. If you want it, say the word and it's yours. I will even cover the shipping on it.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #326, 03-31-2010 11:29 PM
      I have an update. Kinda.
I Spent most of my time today re-doing the battery connections up front,as I really didn't like them before, its all good now. I tried to re-crimp the connector from the cable to the starter, I was getting really frustrated because I was working upside down, on my back, laying on rough concrete. It wasn't fun. But it worked enough to let me crank it over (which it did!) but it didn't start, it actually backfired a few times. Then the battery became too weak, so I charged it up, and tried again but I only got clicking this time again. In frustration, I climbed under the car, yanked and tugged at the wire, and it just fell apart. So I quit for the day, and tomorrow I will stop half-azzing myself and go buy the proper things I need, and solder the crap out of that stupid thing.
Don't know why it backfired though, this is were I might need some help from you guys. What could be wrong? I can't set or change the timing, the computer does that now.
Photobucket isn't working right now, thats too bad I have a video of the "cranking". Nothing really super exciting though.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 04-01-2010).]

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #327, 03-31-2010 11:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I have an update. Kinda.
I Spent most of my time today re-doing the battery connections up front,as I really didn't like them before, its all good now. I tried to re-crimp the connector from the cable to the starter, I was getting really frustrated because I was working upside down, on my back, laying on rough concrete, and it worked enough to let me crank it over (which it did!) but it didn't start, it actually backfired a few times. The the battery became too weak, so I charged it up, and tried again but I only got clicking this time again. In frustration, I climbed under the car, yanked and tugged at the wire, and it just fell apart. So I quit for the day, and tomorrow I will stop half-azzing myself and go buy the proper things I need, and solder the crap out of that stupid thing.
Don't know why it backfired though, this is were I might need some help from you guys. What could be wrong? I can't set or change the timing, the computer does that now.
Photobucket isn't working right now, thats too bad I have a video of the "cranking". Nothing really super exciting though.


I am not sure why it back fired. But at least you are close. Congrats!!

Once your done you can drive it out here and do a 3.4 swap in my 86 GT.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #328, 04-01-2010 12:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:


I am not sure why it back fired. But at least you are close. Congrats!!

Once your done you can drive it out here and do a 3.4 swap in my 86 GT.


Only If you add a hood scoop and side scoops to my car.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #329, 04-01-2010 10:49 AM
      with the backfires, just check the basics again. Firing order ect...if its popping that means your getting fuel air and spark. Your not too far off i bet.

Turkey on Rye (c.r.weeks@hotmail.com) MSG #330, 04-01-2010 11:18 AM
      I'm with Antuzzui on the firing order. Easiest thing to check and sounds like the issue.

mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #331, 04-01-2010 11:27 AM
      Yep, check your spark plug wires. I have found that the firing order in some manuals to be incorrect. Find a nice guide online and make sure your coils are firing the right plug.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #332, 04-02-2010 12:17 AM
      Sigh. Well today, I soldered and shrink-wrapped the starter termial and all that jazz, but it still just clicks. I even "jump-started" it will my dad's truck, and it still clicks. I'm running out of ideas as too whats wrong.
Edit: I mean like constant clicking while the key is in run, not one click.

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02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #333, 04-02-2010 12:19 AM
      before getting too far spray some starting fluid in the TB. If it fires then you got it narrowed to fuel related already.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #334, 04-02-2010 12:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 02greens10:

before getting too far spray some starting fluid in the TB. If it fires then you got it narrowed to fuel related already.


It doesn't even turn over right now, the starter just clicks.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #335, 04-02-2010 03:51 AM
      see if it will turn over by hand. Pull all the plugs and make sure its not the engine. Did you put shims between the starter? I would proceed with caution. Pulling the plugs and a hand turn will tell you a lot (if it turns the problem lies somewhere in the starting system). Then remove the starter and take it to a auto parts store and have it tested. What gauge wire are you running from you bat? and do your have good grounds??

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #336, 04-02-2010 12:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

see if it will turn over by hand. Pull all the plugs and make sure its not the engine. Did you put shims between the starter? I would proceed with caution. Pulling the plugs and a hand turn will tell you a lot (if it turns the problem lies somewhere in the starting system). Then remove the starter and take it to a auto parts store and have it tested. What gauge wire are you running from you bat? and do your have good grounds??


Yes I can turn it over even with the plugs in. I think the starter is just not getting enough power.


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #337, 04-02-2010 04:29 PM
      If it clicks continuously, that usually means the starter solenoid isn't getting enough power. It usually happens when the battery is weak, or there's a bad connection. It would be a good idea to trace the solenoid wire (the smaller wire on the starter) and look for loose connections, or a short to ground.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #338, 04-03-2010 03:33 AM
      Well got a step closer today. Found out the starter issue was that I needed another block to frame ground, as it cranks fine now. But it still isn't starting...SOOOOO close, it really wants to start, but it doesn't.
Here is a video. Anyone know what the issue might be?


KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #339, 04-03-2010 06:48 AM
      What were you pointing to in the engine bay at the end?

What's the fuel pressure?
Did you try starting with starting fluid? like 02greens10 said above, that eliminates if it's a fuel problem.
Are you getting spark? that's another easy check.

Did you have the car running before on the 7730 ECM?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #340, 04-03-2010 04:39 PM
      IT STARTED!!!!!

Video to come after work.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #341, 04-03-2010 05:01 PM
      congrats. Can you post the vid to youtube? photobucket always makes my comp crash. I cant figure out why.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #342, 04-03-2010 08:46 PM
      Congratulations, Matt!!!! I knew you could do it!!! Can't wait to hear!

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #343, 04-03-2010 10:24 PM
      Congrats!!!



katatak MSG #344, 04-03-2010 10:37 PM
      WoooHooooooooo......... Congrats! Glad to hear it's running.

Pat



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #345, 04-04-2010 02:51 AM
      Alright, I'll post the video's here, but I have a few things to say first.

The problem was, I had the wires going to the exact opposite plugs, and my friend (who I couldn't live without..he has helped me every step of the way. He is in the second video) pointed that out, and showed me on his Fiero. So then with the help of another battery, it started. Not very well at first, but it got better soon. Now I have good news and bad news.

Good news: It runs and sounds (cept for the exhaust leaks which i need to fix) great!! First few minutes it was at (or over a tiny bit) 80 PSI of oil pressure . Most of the stuff works, alternator, water pump, oil pump, rad. fan (coolant got warm!) RIch-lean guage works good, Injetors all seem to work. When i let i t idle after the break in, and revved it a lil bit, it sounds awesome, even with 2 nasty exhaust leaks.

Bad news: Eariler today I found out that the TV cable came loose inside the transmission, so I don't know what to do about that. and when I first got it started, i heard a gear grinding sound and my dad told my wheels were spinning...and the transmission was in park. I shut the car off, re-started it, no more grinding sounds and the wheels didn't move, so I thought thats good. Then I ran the engine for 20 mintues at 2500 RPM, then let it idle. After i started letting it idle, I shifted into reverse. Nothing. Drive, same thing. One, same thing!!! It was moving the shift lever, but nothing was happening! Wheels didn't move, engine RPM didn't change, nothing. So I thought oh great NOW WHAT?! I'm sick of 4T60 problems. If I have to drop the cradle again for this stupid automatic, I'm almost considering putting in a munie 4-speed back in it. And while running the engine I found out I had a few more fluid leaks then I thought at first. Mainly a trans line and the oil pump drive O-ring (common area of a oil leak.) Plus the Blue wire loom I have been using was melting near the exhaust. And my temp guage doesn't work.

More bad news then good it seems like, but oh well.
Here are the videos.



BTW:It sounds like crap because its at 2500 RPM and it was too loud for the camera. I'll get another video if it idling later.

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thedrue MSG #346, 04-04-2010 03:23 AM
      Congrats man! That is quite an achievement, ironing out the bugs should not be too bad.

I can't offer too much advice about the tranny, never had anything but manuals but I totally feel for the loom melting. I just redid all the wiring in my turbo car cause it was melting bad. I wrapped it in self stick reflective heat stuff and it appears to be working really well.

Good luck, You'll have her on the road in no time.



Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #347, 04-04-2010 11:05 AM
      Man that totally sucks, that trans has been a bad omen for you this whole time. Could you pull a cooler line and verify that the fluid is moving?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #348, 04-04-2010 11:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Man that totally sucks, that trans has been a bad omen for you this whole time. Could you pull a cooler line and verify that the fluid is moving?


Yes I know the fluid is moving because one of my new lines is leaking.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #349, 04-04-2010 01:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Yes I know the fluid is moving because one of my new lines is leaking.


where is it leaking from? When i swapped my engine the trans leaked like a mofo! I thought it was the axel seal so i replaced them. Then i realised it was a friggen hose clamp . You might want to try a little teflon tape around the threads.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #350, 04-04-2010 06:24 PM
      Good news! The transmission does work, it moves in both reverse and drive just fine, I guess it just didn't want to work yesterday. The TV cable is still a problem, though. It idled at the beginning but later in the day it needed throttle to keep it running, or else it'll die. Found out that some things are too close to the exhaust. Plastic likes to melt. The headers take up a good bit of more room. I got code 35 and 43 from the computer, too. Great Oil pressure though, about 60 PSI when hot. So much so that the O-ring for the oil pump drive can't hold it all in, and has been leaking.
Video:


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #351, 04-04-2010 06:52 PM
      Thats going to be one heck of a nice Fiero when you are done!! It's lucky to have you as a owner.

87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #352, 04-04-2010 08:37 PM
      are those headman exhaust tips?

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #353, 04-04-2010 09:22 PM
      Great job Matt! That sounds really good (or as good as it can sound on laptop speakers ). I am concerned about the tranny though. Grinding, not shifting, then all of a sudden working alright?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #354, 04-04-2010 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

are those headman exhaust tips?


Nope, Hooker tips.

 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Great job Matt! That sounds really good (or as good as it can sound on laptop speakers ). I am concerned about the tranny though. Grinding, not shifting, then all of a sudden working alright?

No, I think its ok (or at least I hope). I have since asked my mom, and she said she thought she saw the wheels move on the first start up, I think it was just human error. I blame myself because I was in a rush because I needed to get ready to go to work ASAP.

EDIT: I just figured out why it was grinding on first start up. I didn't fill the torque converter so i tried to engage drive while it was still filling with fluid.

Tomorrow me and my dad are flying to Chicago for a few days to pick up my dad's new Fiero from Paul Vargus(sp). A 86 GT. I'm kinda mad too, because its Gold also.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #355, 04-04-2010 10:27 PM
      Oh, here is another video that I took after that last one. Sorry if you can't understand me.

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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #356, 04-05-2010 02:20 AM
      the oil pres is 60 hot??????? jeeeeezzzeeeeeeee. Maybe the computer needs to learn its self. i dunno :shrug:

87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #357, 04-05-2010 07:00 AM
      4 am bump? you better be working on it

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #358, 04-05-2010 07:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I didn't fill the torque converter so i tried to engage drive while it was still filling with fluid.


Ahhh...I didn't even think of that, I took for granted that you filled it before you mated the engine and trans back together. And you blamed the 4T60. Shame on you.

 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Tomorrow me and my dad are flying to Chicago for a few days to pick up my dad's new Fiero from Paul Vargus(sp). A 86 GT. I'm kinda mad too, because its Gold also.



Good for him! Will you guys be building a swap for that one as well?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #359, 04-05-2010 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Good for him! Will you guys be building a swap for that one as well?


Ha, maybe.
Just picked it up today, im here on a computer in a hotel in Chicago. It's in good shape, i'm jealous that it has ZERO rust. None. Zip. The floor pan drain plugs are spotless. It was a Flordia car, as you can tell with the Silver roof and Gold on the rest of the car. Needs a little work, not too much, its a strong runner, but I think the clutch pedal is bent, as it level with the brake pedal. The tilt pawls in the steering column are also loose. And a few other minor things. And I drove it! But there is a bad part about all this. I want a 4-speed manual now, that was so fun.

But back on topic, I ordered a ALDL cable and software so I can "Scan" the engine data so I can figure out why it's running so rich/idling bad. Getting closer! Oh, and today I met a famous guy in the Fiero world. Paul Vargyus. He is the guy who sold my dad his new Fiero.

And 60 PSI isn't bad for a semi-warm engine that's brand new.

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #360, 04-05-2010 09:47 PM
      Yeah, that man has one hell of a history in the Fiero world. How cool that your dad bought his car from him. I would have almost had him sign the dash like Carroll Shelby.

I feel your pain on the clutch pedal, my daughter's pedal is bent at the pivot point, and does not engage the clutch all of the way.


Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #361, 04-05-2010 09:49 PM
      Awesome progress!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #362, 04-05-2010 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Yeah, that man has one hell of a history in the Fiero world. How cool that your dad bought his car from him. I would have almost had him sign the dash like Carroll Shelby.

I feel your pain on the clutch pedal, my daughter's pedal is bent at the pivot point, and does not engage the clutch all of the way.


Yes, he was a very friendly and intelligent person. He even showed his is "Fiero basement" and his personal LS1/5-speed 88GT. Awesome car. Awesome guy. We should go back tomorrow and have him sign the dash!! He has had over 150 Fiero's over his lifetime.

Oh, and the clutch does engage all the way, but it needs to be pushed wayyyy down almost past the carpet.

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JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #363, 04-06-2010 12:17 AM
      I know this sounds wierd but in our Nissan back home, when you messed around to much with the auto tranny, like shifting from 1-2-3-D something messed up, and the engine would run odd and stall, until you keep on messing with the shifter. Probably doesn't help, but thats what I have experienced. BTW it was a nissan prarie, my parents are stationed in Japan, so that probably doesn't help either.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #364, 04-08-2010 01:35 AM
      Fiero made it home, it has a few quirks that need to be fixed but, what else to do expect? That 2.8 still has a lot of life left in it.
Here are some picture of when we got home.



I know its kinda off-topic but its about Fiero's and it's what I have been doing for the past few days so its close enough.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #365, 04-08-2010 02:21 PM
      Can't do much today since it's raining. I shipping out my rotors to get turned into hubs, but they won't be back for a while since the person who is doing them is busy for the next week. I have also decided to use the stock intake canister and tube, but I don't know if it will fit anymore due to the EVAP sensor being in that area.

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #366, 04-08-2010 08:33 PM
      Wow, your dad is a lucky guy. That is one clean GT!

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #367, 04-10-2010 10:40 PM
      Any progress, Matt?

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #368, 04-11-2010 11:12 PM
      Your dads car looks great. I have a gold GT as well.





Ridgelandbaseball (pwammons@oh.rr.com) MSG #369, 04-11-2010 11:33 PM
      Now that is what I wish mine looked like. My paint on top is faded with the Florida sun. Luv your wheels also.

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #370, 04-11-2010 11:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ridgelandbaseball:

Now that is what I wish mine looked like. My paint on top is faded with the Florida sun. Luv your wheels also.


Thank you!!!

Yea golds fade easily. I repainted mine about 6 years ago. I will probably repaint it here again in a few years. As for the wheels they are made by a company called Stern and are 18". I wanted a wheel that looked like the factory GT lace wheels only larger. These were kinda close. I also added Fiero logos in the center caps.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #371, 04-11-2010 11:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Any progress, Matt?


Well, I did get a few things done. No pictures though, sorry. The main thing I did was I fixed the TV cable issue (it came out of the transmission totally.) by taking the side cover off the transmission and re-clipping it on. I bought and installed a battery hold down so it doesn't move everywhere. I also bought a stock intake from the TB back to the canister, I like that system better then mine was. I also bought Turbo sunbird hood vents, and my ALDL cable.
I think my problem is my O2 sensor, as it runs ok when cold (open loop) but it falls flat on its face when it warms up (closed loop). Even when cold though, it doesn't like to rev and when it does, a bunch of black smoke shoots out the tail pipes. Its a brand new sensor, so I'll have to check the wiring.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #372, 04-12-2010 09:36 PM
      well today I got my new knock sensor in the mail and installed it. It ran a little better. but not good enough. So I disconnected the battery to reset the computer, and it didn't want to start t first, but once i got it going, it idled right at 900 RPM for a minute or so! Then it started warming up, and the idle started jumping around, and it finally died about 2 mintues later. After that, same old, same old. Doesn't idle. Good news is that it does seem to run a lot better, and there's no huge pillow of black smoke at each start-up, there is only a little bit now. But there is still a code 43 (knock sensor error)! I don't know why either.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #373, 04-13-2010 09:03 PM
      Today, I got a package in the mail. A intake system from timcha, thanks a bunch! I painted it up all nice and pretty and installed it. Looking good!
I also did a slight mod to my shifter display, I added an "L" for Low since I now have 7 spots instead of just 6.




Tomorrow I'm going to dig deeper into this code 43 issue and see what I find out.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #374, 04-13-2010 09:51 PM
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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #375, 04-15-2010 12:46 AM
      Found out my problem..I flip-flipped two wires, no more code 43. It runs better, and when my friend came over and swapped in his newer MAP and Air charge temp. sensor, it ran even better, idles like it should while cold, but still has black smoke when you rev it, and at times it studders when revved. But when it warms up, the idle starts to jump from 900-500 RPM and it dies. It takes a lot longer to die then it has before though. I guess 24 year old MAP sensors aren't helping. Think its time to replace those old sensors.
Also, Today a local Fiero member gave me a set of gray 15" wheels, two of them don't have tires, but that's Ok. I'm going to clean them up and use them in the near future. He also gave me a complete cat-back factory exhaust system to use because I don't think my current one will work, I need to re-do it, but it does sound really good with that Magnaflow muffler. Little rusty, so I'll clean that up too and paint it Blue.


Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #376, 04-15-2010 06:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Found out my problem..I flip-flipped two wires, no more code 43. It runs better, and when my friend came over and swapped in his newer MAP and Air charge temp. sensor, it ran even better, idles like it should while cold, but still has black smoke when you rev it, and at times it studders when revved. But when it warms up, the idle starts to jump from 900-500 RPM and it dies. It takes a lot longer to die then it has before though. I guess 24 year old MAP sensors aren't helping. Think its time to replace those old sensors.
Also, Today a local Fiero member gave me a set of gray 15" wheels, two of them don't have tires, but that's Ok. I'm going to clean them up and use them in the near future. He also gave me a complete cat-back factory exhaust system to use because I don't think my current one will work, I need to re-do it, but it does sound really good with that Magnaflow muffler. Little rusty, so I'll clean that up too and paint it Blue.


Hey Matt why dont you mention who that local member is (me)



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #377, 04-16-2010 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierokid87:


Hey Matt why dont you mention who that local member is (me)



I don't have too, you just did.

But yes, he just gave me a set of 15's. What do you all think?

I present the 4X4 Fiero!


Got in a new map sensor today, runs better. Still waiting for my ALDL cable to show up so I can get some scans in.


skuzzbomer MSG #378, 04-16-2010 01:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I present the 4X4 Fiero!


Lifted Fieros are awesome...

Congrats on all the progress- you've done a lot more than I could've. But you have tools, and knowledge about these things, and a space to work. (I think we can call that envy)


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #379, 04-16-2010 01:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


Lifted Fieros are awesome...

Congrats on all the progress- you've done a lot more than I could've. But you have tools, and knowledge about these things, and a space to work. (I think we can call that envy)


Yea, except there are Fiero parts everywhere and my parents aren't to thrilled about that.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #380, 04-16-2010 02:16 AM
      good work matt can't wait to hear its maiden voyage. And for your parents hey at least it doesn't look like my garage you saw that.

Tony Kania MSG #381, 04-16-2010 12:05 PM
      Are you not still in high school? Man, what a great job you have done. Don't worry about the little problems. They will all work themselves out. You have done so much, and worked so hard on your Fiero. We are all very proud of you. You help give the Fiero community a good name.

Your Dad's new Fiero is quite the looker. Nice buy.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #382, 04-16-2010 03:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Are you not still in high school? Man, what a great job you have done. Don't worry about the little problems. They will all work themselves out. You have done so much, and worked so hard on your Fiero. We are all very proud of you. You help give the Fiero community a good name.

Your Dad's new Fiero is quite the looker. Nice buy.


Yep, still in High School. Bleh. As of today, only 23 days of school left until I'm OUTTA THERE!
Then life starts. Woo. Anyone wanna come to my Grad party?


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #383, 04-16-2010 05:19 PM
      hey matt with the idle issues I would double check your tps and coolant temp sensors. The tps can have idle isssues as soon as you get to closed loop and the coolant temp adjust your fuel mixtures.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #384, 04-16-2010 08:36 PM
      It's getting so close, Matt! I can't wait to see her in person at Carlisle. As for your wheels, they would look great stripped, the lace painted gloss black, and the lip of the rim polished. It would give it that final touch.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #385, 04-18-2010 03:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tstang429:

hey matt with the idle issues I would double check your tps and coolant temp sensors. The tps can have idle isssues as soon as you get to closed loop and the coolant temp adjust your fuel mixtures.


Ok, thank you. I will get some scans soon, as I got my ALDL cable in the mail.

 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

It's getting so close, Matt! I can't wait to see her in person at Carlisle. As for your wheels, they would look great stripped, the lace painted gloss black, and the lip of the rim polished. It would give it that final touch.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

I got my new Turbo sunbird hoodvents in the mail today.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #386, 04-18-2010 06:27 AM
      How hard was the 7730 swap? my fiero is getting a new anchor and im thinking about doing it. Also how CHEAP is it to do? 3:30 in the morning. Good night

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #387, 04-18-2010 11:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

How hard was the 7730 swap? my fiero is getting a new anchor and im thinking about doing it. Also how CHEAP is it to do? 3:30 in the morning. Good night


Not too difficult. You need to get the computer with connectors, Digital EGR, and EGR Adapter plate. Maybe $150 at most.

i took some scans today, but the logger didn't work for some reason so I'll try again later.



Got some pics of my new hood vents sitting on my car.


I have my turned rotors coming back in the mail to me, so when i get them I can finish my front brakes. and put wheels on the front.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #388, 04-19-2010 06:46 PM
      Got my front rotors today. put both on, but only got the brake part of it done on one side.




Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #389, 04-19-2010 11:45 PM
      Are you cutting into that beatiful hood for those scoops?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #390, 04-19-2010 11:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tstang429:

Are you cutting into that beatiful hood for those scoops?


Beautiful? Don't you see that huge paint chip? There is also damage i did at the very tip of the hood in the center. So to answer your question, yes I am. But later, i'm getting it on the road first. Same with the rear-sway bar i'm adding on.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #391, 04-20-2010 06:46 PM
      Today I finished the front brakes, and put brake fluid into the system. I need to bleed it though, i'll do that tomorrow. Not too much else, too much homework.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #392, 04-20-2010 08:22 PM
      Matt, maybe I missed it somewhere (I'm lazy), but did you cut your Fiero rotors down to the hub yourself?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #393, 04-20-2010 08:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Matt, maybe I missed it somewhere (I'm lazy), but did you cut your Fiero rotors down to the hub yourself?


I really did try at school with a spare set at school, but it didn't work out at all, the equipment sucks there, so I shipped them to a PFF member (fierodustin) and he did them for me. Great guy, does great work.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #394, 04-20-2010 08:53 PM
      Awesome, I have been looking for someone to machine a set down for me so I can do a full Grand Am swap. If you don't mind me asking, how do they fit, and how much did it cost?

mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #395, 04-20-2010 08:55 PM
      If you want a spare hood to work on, just come on down to WV. I have a spare one you can have, a spare notchie decklid, and that steering wheel you wanted.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #396, 04-20-2010 09:10 PM
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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #397, 04-25-2010 10:25 PM
      any updates?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #398, 04-25-2010 11:13 PM
      Nope, i haven't done anything to it. Reason is I got into my first relationship about 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: And it ended in June. Worst female I have met in my life (almost), I'm not scared to admit that publicly.

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thedrue MSG #399, 04-25-2010 11:41 PM
      Wait... your cheating on your car?? Serves you right if it wont start!

Seriously though you need to finish the car so you guys have something to go on dates in.

congrats


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #400, 04-25-2010 11:59 PM
      It DOES start and run fairly good, it just needs some tweaking. All I need to do is buy some rear splash guards, and bleed the brakes again, and put the rear plastic fender liners on and then the wheels, then i can drive. Still need to finish some things like the interior and A/C wiring, and other items that don't affect driving it but i want to do.

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thedrue MSG #401, 04-26-2010 12:20 AM
      Youll get there, keep up the good work

Tony Kania MSG #402, 04-26-2010 12:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Nope, i haven't done anything to it. Reason is I got into my first relationship about 2 weeks ago.


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mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #403, 04-26-2010 05:37 PM
      Matt, shoot me a PM about the steering wheel, I keep forgetting about it. Congrats on your relationship! Why dont you bring her down on a road trip, to pick up the decklid, hood, and a new set of wheels? I have a set in the mall for sale

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #404, 04-26-2010 05:46 PM
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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #405, 04-26-2010 08:34 PM
      Congratulations Matt, on the car and the new relationship. Are you still planning to hit Carlisle? If so, you and your dad are welcome to stay here and avoid the hotel costs. You'll have to sleep on couches, but it's better than Carlisle hotel rapes....err, I mean, rates.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #406, 04-26-2010 11:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Congratulations Matt, on the car and the new relationship. Are you still planning to hit Carlisle? If so, you and your dad are welcome to stay here and avoid the hotel costs. You'll have to sleep on couches, but it's better than Carlisle hotel rapes....err, I mean, rates.


Yea we are planning to go still. I wouldn't have a problem with sleeping on a couch but I'm not sure about my dad.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #407, 04-28-2010 03:33 PM
      Sorry everyone about being so vague but my priority right now is school, only 16 days left of high school for me.

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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #408, 04-30-2010 05:01 PM
      WE WANT UP DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #409, 04-30-2010 05:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

WE WANT UP DATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My Dad and I are going to the Fiero Factory swap meet this weekend. So if your going, your see us there (but not the car...sorry)


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #410, 05-01-2010 03:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


My Dad and I are going to the Fiero Factory swap meet this weekend. So if your going, your see us there (but not the car...sorry)


I will be there. Im going to take the private jet......I wish. A little bit of a drive for me.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #411, 05-01-2010 07:57 PM
      Hey guys, Im currently in Huntsville, AL, and my dad and I spent the day at the Fiero Factory Swap Meet. I had a great time there, talked to many people I already knew and meet some new people. It wasn't raining while we were there but it did rain eariler in the day so the ground was really muddy. Jeremy and his wife did a great job cleaning the place up, re-organizing it, and making it more presentable. Lots of cars there, as you know, and just as many parts. While I was there I bought a 120 MPH speedo and a "Holley" air inside scoop. Pulled it off the car myself.
I'll be back home Monday night.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 05-05-2010).]

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #412, 05-05-2010 07:37 PM
      Update! Great weather here today, so I got a few things done. Yesterday, I bought some gorilla glue and glued my warped console door and my shifter piece back together. Had some issues with fitment since its been 11 months and some things have changed, but I think it all fit relatively well. One issue was out of the four screw holes in the plastic for the shifter console, only one was un-cracked. The driver side section completely broke off, so I had to use different screws to mount it a different way. I lost the two mounting screw holes for the rear center console when I put the 7730 computer in, but it will be fine. I really do need a new shifter console piece, its been through a lot and looks pretty bad now. I still need to cut holes in the cig. lighter trim plate for the FM modulator switch and connector.


After that, I put the front wheels on, and lowered the car down for the first time in months.

I bought new rear splash guards from Rodney Dickman, as mine are just totally destroyed. After that, I can put on the rear fender liners, adjust the tie-rods, and then re re-bleed the rear brakes, and hopefully put wheels on and take it for a test drive.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #413, 05-06-2010 11:04 PM
      Update!! Today, I adjusted the tie-rods the best I could so I could get the alignment as close as possible (still way off though), and I decided it was time for a drive. so I put the back wheels on, and took it out on the street for a few blocks. Scariest drive of my life. With the engine that likes to stall at lower RPM's, the not working that well brakes, and the poor alignment, it made for a scary drive. Plus a nasty scraping and rubbing sound coming from the rear. And I only went like 10 MPH. Even so, I still saw bad marks in the tires from being off alignment so much. But, I wanted to do it, and I did. And it was worth it. The engine sounded great and the transmission shifted like its should (as far as I could tell...1st, 2nd, and reverse worked!)

Still need to do quite a bit, do something with the exhaust, install the new rear splash shields when they get here, and the rear fender liners. Plus a list of tiny stuff.
I made a video after the drive, and I didn't want to do the drive over again, so i just moved it up the driveway. Excuse my dorkyness.

and some current pictures!


and my Magnaflow muffler that hangs too low.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 05-06-2010).]

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #414, 05-10-2010 04:50 PM
     

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #415, 05-11-2010 05:17 PM
      Matt, she's looking good, and I'm glad you got to take her out for a drive, no matter how short it was. I used to drive mine around the block here at my house just to get that fiero driving experience. I am completely jealous of your engine bay. I'm looking forward to seeing you, your dad, and your car in person at Carlisle. I'm proud of you!

Andy


02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #416, 05-11-2010 05:44 PM
      I had a rubbing in the back and it turned out it was the backing plate/dust shield for the rear brake rotor. It was dented or something from when I had the wheel off so long and it rubbed on the rotor constantly making an awful noise.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #417, 05-11-2010 06:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 02greens10:

I had a rubbing in the back and it turned out it was the backing plate/dust shield for the rear brake rotor. It was dented or something from when I had the wheel off so long and it rubbed on the rotor constantly making an awful noise.


Yea, I think that could be one of my noises. I'll check it when i bleed the brakes. Again.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #418, 05-11-2010 07:46 PM
      I didn't do to much today, since it cold and wet outside, but I did install a "Holley" intake scoop I got from the Fiero Factory. Rare! I saw it on one of the Fiero's in the "junkyard" and pulled it myself and bought it. It was really faded so I painted it, still needs some touch up, but other then that it looks really good.





Tony Kania MSG #419, 05-12-2010 11:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

I'm proud of you!



X2



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #420, 05-12-2010 09:23 PM
      Well my fiero frustrated me today. I re-bleed the brakes the proper way with my dad, but they only seem marignly better. It still doesn't run right at all, I'm starting to think the exhaust might be part of it, who knows. Likes to stall out on me, too. I fixed the rubbing sound, but the loud scraping sound is still present, I think its coming from the driver rear wheel. While I was bleeding the brakes, I put on the 15" rims with older tires on the back, (looks better then the 14's), since the alignment is so off, I don't destroy my nearly new tires that were on the rear of the car.

Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #421, 05-12-2010 09:42 PM
      hey Matt what did you scans show? Your exhaust should not cause a stall. If its going to closed loop then acting worse its more then likely a sensor failure or wire concern. Is it still puffing black smoke on occasion? If I was you to limit your aggravation with the car I would focus on the engine for now. Once its running move to the brakes so you don't stress out. Keep going your so close. If you get some data scans people on here should be able to help narrow down the running issues. Good luck man the boards here for you.

RumbleB MSG #422, 05-13-2010 06:43 PM
      I have to agree with Tstang. I don't think it is the exhaust. I would check the wiring or sensors. Its very easy to get the wires in the wrong spot and the sensors could be bad after 20 some years.
Keep up the good work! Your almost home.


pocket dude 411 MSG #423, 05-13-2010 10:20 PM
      Man its looking really good, and A LOT different since the last time i saw it on here! Keep it up man. Making me miss my fiero!!!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #424, 05-20-2010 03:10 PM
      Today, was my last day of high school, it is over! I am DONE!

Got my RD rear splash guards in the mail today, and I'm going to see a welder that was on craigslist tonight, i need one to finish my 2nd exhaust system (for emissions) and so I can fix the 1st.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #425, 05-23-2010 06:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Today, was my last day of high school, it is over! I am DONE!

Got my RD rear splash guards in the mail today, and I'm going to see a welder that was on craigslist tonight, i need one to finish my 2nd exhaust system (for emissions) and so I can fix the 1st.


Congratulation on your graduation, Matt! Unfortunately, I won't be able to be there, but as I said before, I'm proud of you. Any updates on your car?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #426, 05-24-2010 09:43 PM
      Today I welded my "emissions friendly" exhaust system together, so I'll be able to install it tomorrow. Then I take some more scans from my engine and see whats going wrong. I can now also install my fender liners because I bought new splash guards from Rodney Dickman, my old ones were destroyed. While I'm at it, I'll see if re-bleeding will help again, but I think something is wrong with my driver rear caliper, that may be also the cause of my loud scrapping sound coming from that tire area.


I'll re-do my 1st exhaust system, and put it back on if i want too after I get it's last E-check.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 05-24-2010).]

Ridgelandbaseball (pwammons@oh.rr.com) MSG #427, 05-28-2010 11:22 PM
      See pic of mattwa getting his high school diploma on Wed. 5/26. HOORAY!! HE MADE IT!!


Tony Kania MSG #428, 05-29-2010 10:24 AM
      What a great accomplishment! Mattwa, you have the whole world ahead of you. Take hold of it, and make something of yourself. You have a lot to offer this planet.

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #429, 05-29-2010 07:54 PM
      ALRIGHT MATT!!!! Woo-hoo! Set the world on fire buddy!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #430, 06-02-2010 01:00 AM
      Thanks, I'm glad I'm finally done with High School, after 12 years.
I got a bunch of stuff done today on my Fiero, no pictures, but I'll get some tomorrow. I put my emissions friendly exhaust on the car today, and started it up for the first time since I pulled the other exhaust system off. I think it runs better! No, it does run better! It has that stock "Fiero sound" now too, which is quieter then it was and not as aggressive, but i don't care right now, It runs better! I re-bleed the back brakes a bit, and it helped a little bit, the brake light isn't constantly on anymore, just sometimes. I also installed my new RD rear splash guards and then the fender liners. Then I took it for another test drive, it did better then before! Still stalls out, and the brakes aren't perfect yet, but its better. The alignment is still WAY off on both sides, the tires were squealing the whole trip, even on a straight line. Which is why i have the 15's on the back with old tires, so I don't trash my new tires that were on the back. Engine is better, still runs too rich, and it doesn't rev past about 3500 RPM, it acts like that's the rev limiter. does that give anyone a clue as too whats wrong? And theres still a coolant leak around the water pump someplace that I need to fix.
More tomorrow.
Matt.


87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #431, 06-02-2010 02:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Thanks, I'm glad I'm finally done with High School, after 12 years.
I got a bunch of stuff done today on my Fiero, no pictures, but I'll get some tomorrow. I put my emissions friendly exhaust on the car today, and started it up for the first time since I pulled the other exhaust system off. I think it runs better! No, it does run better! It has that stock "Fiero sound" now too, which is quieter then it was and not as aggressive, but i don't care right now, It runs better! I re-bleed the back brakes a bit, and it helped a little bit, the brake light isn't constantly on anymore, just sometimes. I also installed my new RD rear splash guards and then the fender liners. Then I took it for another test drive, it did better then before! Still stalls out, and the brakes aren't perfect yet, but its better. The alignment is still WAY off on both sides, the tires were squealing the whole trip, even on a straight line. Which is why i have the 15's on the back with old tires, so I don't trash my new tires that were on the back. Engine is better, still runs too rich, and it doesn't rev past about 3500 RPM, it acts like that's the rev limiter. does that give anyone a clue as too whats wrong? And theres still a coolant leak around the water pump someplace that I need to fix.
More tomorrow.
Matt.

What injectors are you using?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #432, 06-02-2010 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

What injectors are you using?


I'm using 19 injectors, but I know i had my chip programmed for use with that size injectors.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #433, 06-02-2010 05:13 PM
      Here is a picture I took today, of my exhaust system. I have the 15's on the rear only right now, only because the alignment is so bad, I don't want to to tear up my nearly new tires that are on my 14's. I will paint the 15's I have black with a polished lip, and use those, but not right now.
The plan is to get an alignment tomorrow, and then take it to a shop that my dad knows really well to fix the issues it has, because in all honestly, It is past my current abilities as an almost 18 year old, I built it all and put it all together, but I'll let a professional put the finishing touches on it.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #434, 06-03-2010 10:48 PM
      I have an update. Today I got my car aligned at Conrad's with one on my good friends who happens to work there did it for me. I was missing the two lock nuts between the inner and outer tie rod, so I had to get those.

Drive's much better then it did before, very straight and true. Now, that the tires are correct, I can feel my new suspension is a lot firmer, and more solid feeling then before i started this whole thing. Poly bushings, and new suspension parts makes for a great ride. Now to work on the front, lol. Engine still has issues, I have that looked at Monday, I'm running out of time a little here.
And guess what showed up while I was watching my car at conrads? One the local fiero guys, Scott, got the PFF QT Geocoin in the mail! He bought it up and took pictures with me, and my car. He Also took pictures of my dad, and my friend, Alex. Together, us four are the North Ridgeville Fiero Club! Lol! A 86 SE (mine), 86 GT (dad's), another 86 GT (Alex's) and Scott's 88 Formula.
(not my pictures, these are his pictures, I take no credit for them)







Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #435, 06-04-2010 04:53 PM
      lookin good matt. Let us know what they find be nice to hear what they find wrong with it. I can't wait to see that thing in person some time. You taking it out to the local car cruises? I know you have one in North RIdgeville.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #436, 06-08-2010 06:26 PM
      Bad news. I heard from the mechanic today and he basically gave up trying to figure out the problem, he said he has a hard enough time finding the problems with the stock equipment, having different equipment from different cars makes it almost impossible, although he said he could spend hours and hours looking for the problem, and he still may not get anywhere. Plus he doesn't have all those hours right now either. But what I find out was 1. apparently the MAP sensor was unplugged, didn't really make a difference when it was plugged back in, and 2. When he hooked up his scanner to my computer, it showed nothing. Like, the connection to the computer was good, but all the sensors and readings showed 0. So, i drove it home, hooked my cable into it, and out of all the programs i downloaded, only free scan shows data, and I'm not sure if some of the data was even correct, it seemed to be. So, I need help, whats my problem? I was thinking my ECM might be bad, but how does it run (not run well, just run period) with a bad ECM? Could it be that the wires in the harness melted together where its too close to the exhaust?

Another problem is that the engine bay is getting REALLY hot, very quickly while its running, and I'm sure its the headers that I didn't coat or wrap. I should do one of those, but that would mean at the very least, dropping the front half of the cradle. And my transmission is still giving my issues, like if I'm going 30 and step on it, it doesn't seem to downshift, it just revs pretty high, and shakes the car.

So, I don't know what to do. I mean, I have an idea, but i don't know. And the worst part is, I got to get it ready/done in like 16 days for GM Carisle.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #437, 06-08-2010 09:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Bad news. I heard from the mechanic today and he basically gave up trying to figure out the problem, he said he has a hard enough time finding the problems with the stock equipment, having different equipment from different cars makes it almost impossible, although he said he could spend hours and hours looking for the problem, and he still may not get anywhere. Plus he doesn't have all those hours right now either. But what I find out was 1. apparently the MAP sensor was unplugged, didn't really make a difference when it was plugged back in, and 2. When he hooked up his scanner to my computer, it showed nothing. Like, the connection to the computer was good, but all the sensors and readings showed 0. So, i drove it home, hooked my cable into it, and out of all the programs i downloaded, only free scan shows data, and I'm not sure if some of the data was even correct, it seemed to be. So, I need help, whats my problem? I was thinking my ECM might be bad, but how does it run (not run well, just run period) with a bad ECM? Could it be that the wires in the harness melted together where its too close to the exhaust?

Another problem is that the engine bay is getting REALLY hot, very quickly while its running, and I'm sure its the headers that I didn't coat or wrap. I should do one of those, but that would mean at the very least, dropping the front half of the cradle. And my transmission is still giving my issues, like if I'm going 30 and step on it, it doesn't seem to downshift, it just revs pretty high, and shakes the car.

So, I don't know what to do. I mean, I have an idea, but i don't know. And the worst part is, I got to get it ready/done in like 16 days for GM Carisle.


Matt, if you need another 7730 ECM to test it out, I have one here on my shelf you can use to diagnose if your ECM is the problem. Shoot me a PM if you want and I will ship it out immediately. But, it will only be a loner, if it works you can use it as long as you need until you get around to getting another.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #438, 06-08-2010 10:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:


Matt, if you need another 7730 ECM to test it out, I have one here on my shelf you can use to diagnose if your ECM is the problem. Shoot me a PM if you want and I will ship it out immediately. But, it will only be a loner, if it works you can use it as long as you need until you get around to getting another.


Thanks Andy, Pm sent.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #439, 06-09-2010 01:20 AM
      Hey matt I think your best steping back to ground zero. Unplug your pcm grab a volt meter. One person in the car go to that terminal and then go to corresponding sensor location. This will be a place to start and make sure everything is wired right. Getting no data is a typical symptom to a missing ground. On a Crown Victoria loose your tps and the scan tool cant find the computer. It is a little time consuming but once you know all your wires are right then I would try a computer. I wouldn't try one first in case you got a bad feed and that is what fried yours if thats your issue. As far as how can a car run with a bad computer its easy looses one of its controllers and the thing goes into limp mode. I think all your issues are connected.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #440, 06-09-2010 03:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tstang429:

Hey matt I think your best steping back to ground zero. Unplug your pcm grab a volt meter. One person in the car go to that terminal and then go to corresponding sensor location. This will be a place to start and make sure everything is wired right. Getting no data is a typical symptom to a missing ground. On a Crown Victoria loose your tps and the scan tool cant find the computer. It is a little time consuming but once you know all your wires are right then I would try a computer. I wouldn't try one first in case you got a bad feed and that is what fried yours if thats your issue. As far as how can a car run with a bad computer its easy looses one of its controllers and the thing goes into limp mode. I think all your issues are connected.


Thanks, you made me feel better, that is the exact next thing I will do.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #441, 06-09-2010 04:21 PM
      if you need any help feel free to drop me a line. All this week I am on vacation and working on my swap.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #442, 06-11-2010 04:33 PM
      Well today I went to my fiero to find it was totally dead, the battery showed 0 volts. So I took it in and had it replaced under warranty. Then, I put the rear of the fiero on wheel-stands and removed the ECM and the ECM wiring from the cabin and pulled it down to the ground. I started removing the old "tape" (worst idea ever), and saw some parts of the wireloom melted. But to get the harness away from the exhaust, I need to move the coolant tube back there out of the way, because there is no way i have any room to slip all that harness over and under it. So i drain the coolant for that tube. That's as far as I gotten today, since i need to leave for work again, but something is better then nothing. I also bought RD's Recall harness tape, the real stuff, which I got in the mail today. Even if the ECM is at fault, the wiring needs help bad.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #443, 06-14-2010 12:06 AM
      Ok so, today I wrapped my main harness with the good tape, and while I was at it, fixed some grounds. I needed to do what I did, since the loom was melted pretty badly, but it didn't make any difference, the engine still runs like crap, super rich. I'll swap out the ECM and see if that makes any difference.

To get my mind off the engine, after that I cleaned and installed the black carpet Hulki sent me. Looks great, thanks Hulki!

After that, I started installing my rear sway bar, which is just a old front sway bar from a forum member. Didn't get to finish it, but I will tomorrow.

And my here's a picture of my current nice and pretty paperweight.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 12-18-2010).]

fiero al MSG #444, 06-14-2010 07:21 PM
      I ment to ask you this earlier but i wasn't on the forums yet but what car did the 4 speed trans come out of?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #445, 06-15-2010 02:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero al:

I ment to ask you this earlier but i wasn't on the forums yet but what car did the 4 speed trans come out of?


That very 4T60 came out of a 1991 Chevy Lumina Euro with the 3.1.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #446, 06-15-2010 03:42 AM
      Hey everyone, look at my thread in Off Topic.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/075468.html


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #447, 06-15-2010 09:17 PM
      Well i pulled a computer from a 90 Pontiac 6000, and put my chip in. It seems to run better. I adjusted that throttle plate screw that you shouldn't touch, and it doesn't die anymore when I put it in reverse or drive. Tomorrow I'll finish the sway-bar, and then take it for a drive.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #448, 06-17-2010 04:15 PM
      Yesterday was both a great day, and then a horrible day. I got the sway-bar finished, and drove the car. It runs quite a bit better, but the trans still was not right. It didn't like to engage park at times, and it slipped when up shifting, and it nearly didn't downshift at all. I drove it too work yesterday, though. Then, when driving home from work, of course after a huge fight with my girlfriend, my trans cooler line hose popped off, and dumped all the fluid out, all over my car the underside of my car. I barely made it home, because it ran out of fluid 1-2 miles before I got home. By the time I got home, it wouldn't shift, or do anything, it was totally dead. This was 3:30am by the way. When i got up today, I put the hose back on best i could, then filled it with fluid. It shifts reverse to drive, etc, now, but that really didn't help it all at, seems worse with its shifting, and i can just feel it eating up all my engine's power. If i turn a corner and then press the gas a little hard, it acts just like a really worn out clutch, it revs up, and doesn't really go anywhere faster, and then the car starts shaking.

So I don't know what to do right now. I know there's no way its making it to Carlisle, I'm sick of automatic problems, I have been having issues with them this whole time. I think I want to change to a 4 speed manual.


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #449, 06-17-2010 09:35 PM
      Matt,

If not for bad luck, we would have no luck at all my friend. I think I would start looking for another 4T60. BTW, do you still need that ECM? I held off on sending it out after I saw that you swapped another in.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #450, 06-18-2010 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Matt,

If not for bad luck, we would have no luck at all my friend. I think I would start looking for another 4T60. BTW, do you still need that ECM? I held off on sending it out after I saw that you swapped another in.


No, I don't need that ECM, thanks though. I really do think I want to change to a muncie 4-speed.


02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #451, 06-18-2010 06:15 PM
      That sucks

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #452, 06-20-2010 10:08 PM
      Even though it looks like your car might not make Carlisle, will you still be there?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #453, 06-21-2010 04:50 AM
      So, I have an update. Saturday was my Grad Party, had a great time, displayed my Fiero in the front yard, and I took some nice pictures of it. The guy who rebuilt my 4T60 the two times before just happened to stop by, so I asked him for help. According to him, and others that were at my party that have been into racing for a while, have said it was still ok. The guy drove it (with me in it of course), and said it is slipping when you hit the gas while cruising (really obvious), the torque converter does lock up, and the shift points are good. It's 1500RPM at 50MPH by the way, which is awesome. Anything with heavy throttle causes slipping issues i think, don't know why at this time, but he did say adjust the vacuum modulator for a harder shift, and see how that works. And when you rev the engine at idle, in park, and let it decelerate, there's a very strange whining/grinding ish sound coming someplace from the transmission, could be from the toque converter area. The sound is really hard to describe, and it goes away when the idle settles. I think it makes a similar sound when you accelerate from a stop, not sure.

And Andy, yes for sure we are both going, I really want to take my car, but i don't think I'd trust it in its current state. But if we not taking my car, we are taking my dad's GT.




My front bumper needs help, its been in like three accidents.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #454, 06-27-2010 12:02 AM
      Went to Carsile this weekend, had a great time, met a lot of awesome people, got burnt, saw a lot of neat Fiero's, but I didn't take my car due to transmission issues. Hopefully they will be fixed soon. The problem is the transmission is not getting enough internal pressure when you pull on the TV cable, a valve must be stuck, so the guy who rebuilt the 4T60 and myself are going to pop the side cover off, and see whats up.

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HausFiero MSG #455, 06-28-2010 04:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ridgelandbaseball:

See pic of mattwa getting his high school diploma on Wed. 5/26. HOORAY!! HE MADE IT!!


God damn u r tall lol.

Anyhow, have u got those hood vents on yet? And is the 3.4 PR in yet?

And also, I like those exhaust tips on that red notchie gt.. What is it?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #456, 06-29-2010 03:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HausFiero:


And is the 3.4 PR in yet?



Where did you come from, page 1?

I ordered a Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, as I'm pretty sure that is why I'm running rich.
I also put on a different steering wheel that came in the mail today. It was really cheap, so the leather is not the greatest, but its ok. This is the start of my Black/Tan interior theme. I might add blue back light to the gauges in the future.


And yesterday, I finished the trim plate when the switch and jack for the FM modulator i have where the old cruise module was. They both came out great! With the jack, I can stick my ipod touch right into it, and it holds my iPod at the perfect angle for me too use and see the screen.

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HausFiero MSG #457, 06-29-2010 11:21 PM
      No I didn't come from pg 1 lol. Just skimmed thru, couldn't tell cuz ur usin the 2.8 accessories

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #458, 06-30-2010 05:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HausFiero:

No I didn't come from pg 1 lol. Just skimmed thru, couldn't tell cuz ur usin the 2.8 accessories


Well yes, but technically, it can't be a 2.8 because i switched to DIS, and a 2.8 is not setup for that.


N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #459, 07-01-2010 01:50 AM
      Hope you get it running right soon. You helped inspire my dad that a 4 speed auto is the way to go when we swap(he was the guy tending BOH's and PK's vendor spot), although seeing all the 3800SC's make him want to go that route. lol

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #460, 07-01-2010 03:31 AM
      Another fun filled Fiero day. I locked my only set of keys in the car, so i drilled out the lock cylinder to get in. In the process i took off the door side molding, and of course all the clips broke. Yay.

87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #461, 07-02-2010 05:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Another fun filled Fiero day. I locked my only set of keys in the car, so i drilled out the lock cylinder to get in. In the process i took off the door side molding, and of course all the clips broke. Yay.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You could have just pulled you window out far enough to stick your hand and unlock it.


Tony Kania MSG #462, 07-02-2010 10:46 AM
      Chris is correct. You can easily steal a Fiero. Man, i wish that I lived near enough to you to come help you out. Stay strong. It WILL be worth it in the end. You already have shown more talent, and conviction than I ever have.

Tony


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #463, 07-02-2010 01:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You could have just pulled you window out far enough to stick your hand and unlock it.


Yea, i know what i did wasn't the smartest thing in the world, but its all good. I didn't want to break that window. my door lock was messed up anyways, plus this gives me a good excuse to put in new dew wipes and fix my mirror! I got a new lock set coming my way.
I guess you learn stuff the hard way.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 07-02-2010).]

HausFiero MSG #464, 07-02-2010 05:57 PM
      Did u ever put that hood vent on that was shown on an earlier page?

And also, why did u throw out the idea for turbo'ing the 3.4??


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #465, 07-02-2010 06:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa: So I don't know what to do right now. I know there's no way its making it to Carlisle, I'm sick of automatic problems, I have been having issues with them this whole time. I think I want to change to a 4 speed manual.

If you think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, wait until you have to replace a clutch, or deal with finicky clutch hydraulics... LOL.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #466, 07-02-2010 06:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HausFiero:

Did u ever put that hood vent on that was shown on an earlier page?

And also, why did u throw out the idea for turbo'ing the 3.4??


No, I haven't put them on yet. Still have them sitting right here on my desk though.

Eh, I figured it would be too much to deal with/figure out doing a engine rebuild/swap my first time. I was right, its still a handfull with all the stuff I changed.


 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

If you think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, wait until you have to replace a clutch, or deal with finicky clutch hydraulics... LOL.


That is true, but i think it would be worth the increase in usable power to the wheels (stupid torque converter), and a decrease in weight of about 80 pounds, and lots more fun. The only thing i would miss will be the 4th gear of the 4T60, going 1600 RPM at 55MPH is really nice.


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #467, 07-02-2010 07:19 PM
      Any particular reason you want a 4-speed rather than a 5-speed? The extra gear in the 5-speed will be really helpful if you frequently drive over 50 MPH.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #468, 07-03-2010 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Any particular reason you want a 4-speed rather than a 5-speed? The extra gear in the 5-speed will be really helpful if you frequently drive over 50 MPH.


I agree it would be, but I really like the gearing of the 3.65 muncie better then the Getrag. Holds gears out longer, 1st isn't so short.
Second reason is i have a free 4-speed for me to use once we replace it with a Isuzu 5-speed in my Dad's GT.


HausFiero MSG #469, 07-03-2010 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:


Well yes, but technically, it can't be a 2.8 because i switched to DIS, and a 2.8 is not setup for that.


Doesn't that mean u could use the camaro intake then? And what else does switching to DIS do?


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #470, 07-03-2010 03:41 PM
      The DIS will generate stronger spark with more accurate timing than a distributer ignition. Plus, the module and coils in the DIS setup are more robust than the stock Fiero parts.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #471, 07-03-2010 06:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

The DIS will generate stronger spark with more accurate timing than a distributor ignition. Plus, the module and coils in the DIS setup are more robust than the stock Fiero parts.


Yea, no more Ignition module dieing in a high school parking lot! ( Had to get my fiero towed that time.)
I didn't really know it created a stronger spark. Cool. I was just sick of the Distributor and It looks a lot cleaner with the DIS coil-pack where the battery went.

And I could have used the Camaro intake yes, but then i would have had to use the Camaro TB, which uses a totally different Idle Air Control system. And honestly I don't think its too much better then the stock 2.8 intake.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #472, 07-03-2010 06:39 PM
      Well today, I installed my new Holley Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator, seems to run better now! No black smoke when i rev the engine. Is still having idle issues sometimes though. And I also got new clips for the door ribbing and a new key lock set. I'll put those on in the near future.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #473, 07-05-2010 04:04 PM
      Ordered a bunch of stuff for my Fiero, including new speakers and LED lights. Plus DIY_Stu dew wipes. Can't wait to get them in the mail! Just need to time to install them, yesterday me and my dad dropped his GT's cradle to do a 4-speed to 5-speed swap. And I get to keep the old 4-speed!

fiero al MSG #474, 07-06-2010 02:56 PM
      did your dads 5 speed trans come in yet? i just wanted to know because i'm back from my trip and was wondering if you and your dad need help getting it ready. also, were you able to get the new water pump installed on your dads engine yet?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #475, 07-06-2010 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero al:

did your dads 5 speed trans come in yet? i just wanted to know because i'm back from my trip and was wondering if you and your dad need help getting it ready. also, were you able to get the new water pump installed on your dads engine yet?


Yep, its sitting in the garage. I gotta work all this week again, but you can stop over sometime and help if you want. He has his own build thread.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #476, 07-11-2010 06:25 PM
      Today I went to pull-a-part, and scored some nice stuff from an 86 base coupe, a near perfect passenger seat, steering column, shifter cables, and complete pedal brackets with pedals for when I convert my car to manual. Rustiest Fiero i have ever seen.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #477, 07-14-2010 03:46 AM
      Update. I have most of the parts I need (the rest are coming to me in the mail) to do a manual swap! Lots of stuff.
I bought new speakers and LED interior and trunk lights. The trunk light is the 9-LED version, wow is that bright! I still need to install the interior ones.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 07-19-2010).]

fiero al MSG #478, 07-14-2010 04:57 PM
      i've been thinking of getting a digital gauge system for my car but i could never find a good one. there is one on ebay but its really expensive. here is the link= http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...geName=STRK:MEWAX:IT this one ended but there is another one on this page that you can look at. i also just recently found this set from another camaro on ebay that looks good. its a better price but would need work to get it to fit. here is the link= http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...geName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #479, 07-15-2010 02:38 PM
      any updates?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #480, 07-15-2010 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

any updates?


I got my new DIY-Stu dew-wipes in the mail, along with new header wrap, a new flywheel, and a RAM clutch set! I installed the LED interior lights and two of the four speakers also. Those LED's are BRIGHT. Turn them on while driving during the night, and you get blinded for a second or two. New speakers are great too.

My fiero is going to be manual soon hopefully!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #481, 07-16-2010 11:42 PM
      Here is some pictures of my progress. I got almost all my LED lights in, and most of my manual stuff to change my car over!
The clutch is a RAM HD clutch.





mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #482, 07-19-2010 03:29 PM
      .

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fiero al MSG #483, 07-19-2010 09:42 PM
      you forgot to mention the process of how we took out the digital gauges from the cars

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #484, 07-20-2010 02:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero al:

you forgot to mention the process of how we took out the digital gauges from the cars


Oh yea. We had three tools. big pliers, wire cutter's, and a sledge hammer. But we used our feet to get the top of the dash off both cars.


thedrue MSG #485, 07-20-2010 02:25 PM
      ya, that nissan intake is pretty incredible. they certainly thought a lot more about airflow than the engineers on the Fiero project. That being said it is HUGE I recently did injectors on a j30 with that engine... twice. Not very much fun to work on.

Looking good, you will enjoy the manual better than the auto anyway!



Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #486, 07-20-2010 03:46 PM
      Matt keep up the good work. That yards been a score for me as late as well. Good luck on your manual swap, and drop me a line if you run into problems and need something I can see whats around here you saw my parts collection. You need to be gentle on those yard cars you know they have cameras hehe.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #487, 07-27-2010 12:20 AM
      Well, i got back from Frazee, MN, and had a great time at the Shipman's house, along with several PFF members. Took a lot of pictures, but I didn't take my car because of the transmission. I took this picture there, one of the best of the sunset pictures I have ever seen.

I now have everything I need to do the manual swap. I honestly don't know when I'll be starting it, most likely when my dad's GT is back together. I also have new dew wipes from Stu, a new set of door locks, and the newest addition (yes I'm crazy), a dual throttle body intake! I'll get pictures when it comes in the mail, but my goal is too have it look like this (only in Blue).


This is PFF member TT Slick's setup, very nice.

Only problem I see is It'll now be harder to change the rear plugs with the engine in the car.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #488, 07-27-2010 10:59 PM
      Nothing important happened today, only minor thing I did was drop the cradle again.
Yep, its out again, removing the auto and putting the 4-speed in its place. While I'm at it, I'll change to the dual TB intake, tighten the belts, wrap the headers, fix the oil leak, re-do the exhaust, and a few other things. Maybe roller rockers.
I already removed my whole center console and replaced my auto shifter with my manual short shifter! It has knob I turned on a lathe myself. Weighs like 5lbs. Lol.
Oh and i found out why my Cruise Control wasn't working, I had it wired to my back-up lights. DOH! So I think I had cruise when I was in REVERSE (inside joke), but that's it.
Phase two of my build has started!




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #489, 07-27-2010 11:31 PM
      Here is a picture of me, my dad (Ridgelandbaseball), my friend Alex (fiero al), Midnight, and his friend Mike, tonight. Had a little Fiero "gathering". Both gold cars are down right now, Alex is dropping his cradle soon too, he was waiting for my 4-speed automatic to put in his car.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #490, 07-28-2010 12:24 AM
      I have also decided against using that digital dash also, and It's currently for sale on ebay, along with that Nissan 300ZX intake.

I Also have a question for you guys. Where can I get Pressure plate bolts at? I don't have any, as clutch kits have you reuse those bolts, but I don't have any too start with.

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fiero al MSG #491, 07-28-2010 03:11 PM
      whille i was over at your house yesterday, helping you with your cradle and engine, i was able to take some pics.

here the engine and cradle are out.


heres a pic of matts new gear shifter

o and by the way matt, REVERSE!!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #492, 07-28-2010 04:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero al:

oh and by the way matt, REVERSE!!


REVERSE!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #493, 07-29-2010 04:12 PM
      Today I separated the 4T60 and 3.4 for the final time. I gave my 4T60 to alex (fiero al) to use in his Fiero. Now I can put my 4-speed onto my cradle, as the engine is now on the engine stand.

fiero al MSG #494, 07-29-2010 05:14 PM
      i wasn't sure if you were going to post this or not but i have a picture of your duel throtle body intake when i was over today.



should work well with your engine becuase of less restriction of the intake. might need to fix the control arm for the duel throtle body though. if you can get it to look like the pic of the one on this page, it would be really awsome looking.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #495, 07-30-2010 03:32 PM
      I have been busy the past few days. Got my dual TB intake in, it needs work to make it perfect, it is a prototype after all. I really do need to re-do that rod linkage, thinking of doing it like TT Slick did, weld a rod where the TPS goes, and into the spring area of the other one.
Well I got my 4-speed shifter in as you saw, and I put the 4-speed Muncie on the Cradle with the axles.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #496, 08-01-2010 08:33 PM
      Today I removed the auto brake assembly and replaced it with the manual brake/clutch assembly, and to do that I had to remove the steering column, which I already reinstalled. Doing all that really messed up my wiring, so I going to attack it all with solder and not crimps this time. Most of my connections nearly fell apart, I admit I did a poor job on that, so I'm going to re-do all that I can.
I also installed the clutch master cylinder today, too.


RumbleB MSG #497, 08-02-2010 01:20 PM
      Matt,

Do you have a clutch line for your car? I have a new one just sitting around here, if you need it. I can bring it over.

Don Z.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #498, 08-02-2010 10:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RumbleB:

Matt,

Do you have a clutch line for your car? I have a new one just sitting around here, if you need it. I can bring it over.

Don Z.

Thanks for the offer Don, but I already have a clutch line.
Today was a big day! I got the flywheel and clutch on and the engine mated to the transmission! Wasn't easy at the least but it's done and together! I turned the engine several turns, and I heard no scraping or bad bearing sounds , and everything turned freely.


Need to install the clutch line and re-wire and put back together the interior, wrap the headers, and maybe attempt to fix and use the Magnaflow muffler system I still have in the Garage. It needs to be cut and re-welded to lower the angle of the tips, and somehow raise the muffler itself, as it was too low to the ground (still thinking on this one).

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Cro577 (fierokid87@gmail.com) MSG #499, 08-02-2010 11:44 PM
      Nice car! I cant wait to see the dual TB.. Ive been following your thread for a while but I just barely signed up.. but i hope to have my cars engine looking that clean..

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #500, 08-03-2010 02:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cro577:

Nice car! I cant wait to see the dual TB.. Ive been following your thread for a while but I just barely signed up.. but i hope to have my cars engine looking that clean..


Thanks! I'm going to install the drivetrain first and get it driving, and I'll work on the Dual TB when I can. I'll admit, it needs work. It'll function now, but it would look kinda bad. It is a prototype after all, I just plan on improving the design and cleaning it up. I'm sure it'll make a big difference in throttle response, and most importantly, air flow.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #501, 08-03-2010 10:41 AM
      Now if you use to dual TB, does that need twice the amount of sensors and fuel? Or is it just a better breathing manifold mechanically?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #502, 08-03-2010 01:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:

Now if you use to dual TB, does that need twice the amount of sensors and fuel? Or is it just a better breathing manifold mechanically?


No, you do not need twice the sensors. You may need more fuel, but I can compensate for that. It just flows 10x better then the stock plenum...even ported.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #503, 08-04-2010 12:22 AM
      Today did not go well. Spend most of the day at Alex's preparing his to drop his cradle to swap in my 4-speed auto. After that, I Took out the old cooler lines, put the main section of the clutch line in place, and while trying to fit the front section up through everything, I bent it too far, and it snapped. Looks like I'll be needing a repair section from NAPA.
Then i snapped a bolt under the water pump because I'm pretty sure there's a coolant leak around there someplace, and i was tighting the bolts up...a little too much.
So I just gave up for the day.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #504, 08-07-2010 03:05 AM
      Today didn't go well either. The local auto and hardware stores can't really help me with the clutch line i snapped because they don't have metric compression unions. Or something like that.
I did wrap my headers and that came out ok, but THEN I found out the slave cylinder won't fit! Wonderful!


Now what?

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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #505, 08-10-2010 03:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Today didn't go well either. The local auto and hardware stores can't really help me with the clutch line i snapped because they don't have metric compression unions. Or something like that.
I did wrap my headers and that came out ok, but THEN I found out the slave cylinder won't fit! Wonderful!


Now what?!? I...don't know what to do. Did I do something wrong, is there something in the wrong place, or not even there?


Your headers are for a automatic..... they are correct?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #506, 08-10-2010 01:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

Your headers are for a automatic..... they are correct?


I don't think they have two separate y-pipes for manuals and automatics.


Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #507, 08-10-2010 04:23 PM
      Are you still using the 36lbs injectors?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #508, 08-10-2010 06:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:

Are you still using the 36lbs injectors?


Nope, no way could I get those to work. Sold them, and bought some 19lb injectors from a mustang. Only problem is they are pink.


Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #509, 08-10-2010 07:21 PM
      Ok, just wondering if that was contributing to the rich running. I run 30lb injectors on a 3.4L, DIS, 7730 ECM, and a turbo. I've been playing with my tune for a very long time as I use an Ostrich.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #510, 08-10-2010 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:

Ok, just wondering if that was contributing to the rich running. I run 30lb injectors on a 3.4L, DIS, 7730 ECM, and a turbo. I've been playing with my tune for a very long time as I use an Ostrich.


Im pretty sure I fixed the rich conditon with the adjustable fuel pressure regulator.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #511, 08-10-2010 09:07 PM
      Well today i cut and re-welded my magnaflow exhaust system as I plan to use that, I moved the tips down, as they were way too high. Next i need to figure out how to position my muffler so it doesn't sit too low and scrap the ground like it used to. I also did soldered all the wires i needed to on the engine wiring harness for the manual swap, mainly shorting 3 pairs of wires and extending the VSS wires. I also helped Alex with his project again.

VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #512, 08-12-2010 10:05 PM
      Hey Matt, just checking it to see the latest update.

Looks like a project in progress.

Has come a LONG ways and looking good.



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #513, 08-17-2010 01:11 AM
      Well I have gotten very frustrated at this car as of late, because of several things, I try my best to push on. I fixed the Y-pipe, that's done. Exhaust is nearly done, water pump back on. Still waiting for Alex to finish his car because I need that Pallet. Today I took my driver door apart, and install my new dew wipe and door lock, plus installed the side molding again, finally. Problems I'm having is that the new dew wipe wrinkles in some spots? and the most frustrating is I lost the little clip that holds the lock rod on the cylinder, so i keeps falling out, and there is almost no way I can fit my hand in there to install one, even If I had to.

Also, I'm looking for driver's side coolant tube brackets, mine rusted away a while ago, didn't like the zip tips used it there place.






mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #514, 08-19-2010 11:17 PM
      I installed my fog lights today. They work great, very bright. The switch is were the defog would be, looks 100% factory. It's from a Pontiac 6000. Also, Alex helped me fix my door lock rod problem yesterday, so I put my door back together. Then I did a bunch of soldering, including the A/C sensor I need to get the A/C to work. But then there is the bad part of the day (as usual), it keeps blowing the gauges fuse when i turn the ign on. I think the problem is some wires are shorting at the big wire loom that wasn't letting me get the pedal assemblies in/out easily. It's now impossible to get too. Scratching my head on this one, will taking the cluster out help get to it any? I doubt it.


Here is what my interior looks like now. Not too pretty, wires everywhere! I gotta find which wires in that huge bundle are the back-up lights, because there's several blue and green wires. I'm also getting a different console skeleton, as mine broke in half and a lot of screw holes are badly cracked (all the work i have been doing hasn't helped either).

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #515, 08-21-2010 04:42 AM
      Today my mom finished the wrap on my headers. They look great! With it fully wrapped, the shift cables should be OK, as should the slave cylinder (still nearly touching the wrap though). I'm hoping it really reduces the engine bay temps, as it got really hot really fast before.

02greens10 (greens10@hughes.net) MSG #516, 08-21-2010 02:35 PM
      I Trueleo's headers and yes they do seem to get really hot even wrapped. Watch out for rain now because it gets on the wrap and make a giant steam cloud, which almost looks like the car is on fire. I did buy an aftermarket rain guard for the trunk lid but the headers are out further on both sides than the trunk lid so it gets wet.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #517, 08-21-2010 03:20 PM
      Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep that in mind. Although it shouldn't be as bad for me, because I still have the decklid weatherstrip on my Fiero.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #518, 08-23-2010 09:38 PM
      Today I got RD's clutch line repair kit in the mail, and I'll be using that for the broken section of my clutch line. I also got my engine pallet back from Alex, so I put my engine cradle back on that today.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #519, 08-25-2010 04:08 PM
      today i removed the dash, and installed RD's clutch line section, still need to connect to the existing line though.. still going to very hard to get to that one section of the main wiring harness that I crushed and ripped apart by installing the pedals.

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Matts Mom MSG #520, 08-25-2010 09:23 PM
      Great Job Matt (but then I'm partial)! Some of that work looks mighty good with the header wrapping & POR-15! Wonder who did that? Keep up the good work! It will all be worth it very soon!!

Matts Mom MSG #521, 08-25-2010 09:57 PM
      Now that I'm officially a member of the Forum, I want to personally thank EVERYONE who has supported Matt with his build & all the trials he has faced with his car. As his mom (hence my name), it has been especially touching for me to read over this past year all the encouragement, assistance & support you all have given him. I have enjoyed watching him grow through this experience, sharing his triumphs as well as his pain, knowing that he has so many friends to share it with. You have done more for him than either my husband or I could offer -- you lift his spirits when he's frustrated, offering bits of experience & suggestions when he falters, & praise him for the job he's accomplishing for only being 18 yrs. old. Your friendship has meant a great deal to us & it is an honor to be part of your family. I've enjoyed meeting several of you at the Tyler Shipman Memorial Car Show & have been blessed to be accepted into the group long before officially joining. Mom's can be cool on occasion! Thank you again from the bottom of my heart for caring so much about Matt. You are an AWESOME group!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #522, 08-26-2010 12:33 AM
      Sorry to burst the happy bubble, but I'm done working on it for now. I have two other cars to work on, and I need to get away because it is making me very angry. Every singe time I work on it, something breaks or doesn't work out. The rusty POS can sit for now, under its cover. I'm putting the cradle back in to free up the engine pallet for my dad's powertrain, but that's it. No other Fiero I have worked on has given me this much trouble. No, nothing horrible has happened recently, but all the of the stuff I have been though in the past year, I'm pretty sure others would have given up and sold/scrapped it. It's either cursed, or it hates me.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #523, 08-27-2010 02:06 AM
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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #524, 08-31-2010 12:56 PM
      matt cars looking good. Hope the help from today gets you motivated to be back on the road. Was nice to see you again.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #525, 08-31-2010 10:13 PM
      Update. Tstang came over today and helped me fixed my gauge wiring issue, no more blowing fuses. Then I took a break because it was way too hot outside. When it cooled down later in the afternoon, with the help of Alex, I installed my cradle into my Fiero, hopefully for the final time for a LONG while. Started connecting things, blah blah, But, the select cable doesn't fit correctly because of the darn Y-pipe! Ugh! My solution is too slot the two holes for the cable bracket to move it out of the way. Now I just need to put the whole interior and engine bay back together. I still need to do some wiring, like wiring the 4-speed back-up switch, and the A/C pressure sensor the 7730 computer swap requires.

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Midnight (dbeaule@gmail.com) MSG #526, 09-01-2010 10:44 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

I also bought a key less entry system which i will be installing in the future, I just want to get my car going again before the cold winter weather (even though today was over 90).



Yea it was pretty darn hot...


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #527, 09-02-2010 11:31 PM
      Today I completely took apart my Cluster. Used a different housing because the one I had was pretty damaged from 2 years of me messing with it too many times. Several of the connector pin areas where damaged or missing. No wonder it didn't work right. I also replaced my 85MPH speedometer to the 120MPH one. Then I painted all the needles red. I have red LED lights coming to replace the gauge bulbs, and white LED's to replace the rest. Can't wait to see how it looks!


I also did some small stuff with my engine/cradle today, like installed half the exhaust (need to do some cutting), but it was again over 90 and too hot. I got my keyless entry system in the mail, only problem is that the fobs say "Buick" on them.


mmeyer86gt/gtp (deepbluez98@yahoo.com) MSG #528, 09-04-2010 01:11 AM
      did you get that lock/unlock module?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #529, 09-04-2010 04:21 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mmeyer86gt/gtp:

did you get that lock/unlock module?


Yep! Just need to fix the fact that the fobs say "Buick" on them.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #530, 09-06-2010 11:11 PM
      I spent the afternoon installing the keyless entry system!! It works greats! Press lock and it locks, press unlock and it unlocks, press the trunk button and the decklid pops! Still have to solder one more wire, but other then that the system is 100% installed! Its wedged next to the factory sub box, so it will never be seen with the dash on. I also tested my LED lights, they work great, if a little on the dim side, because they are red LEDs. My needles don't really reflect all that much anymore.

I also took the rod bearings and crank out of my dad's 3.4 tonight.


mmeyer86gt/gtp (deepbluez98@yahoo.com) MSG #531, 09-06-2010 11:39 PM
      good to hear another successful instalation. i have more kits if your interested for your dad or friends. FYI.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #532, 09-07-2010 11:31 PM
      Well not much luck today. I put a new filter on and put in Synthetic Oil. Installed the shift cables and did some small stuff. But when I was putting in coolant, it leaked out in a nice stream down the left side of the timing cover. I don't know why, I could have forgotten to put a bolt in (doubt it), didn't tighten a bolt (still doubt it), or I could have cracked the water pump housing somehow. I mean, its not dripping, its a like a mini water-fall down there. Guess I'll have to take it off once again and see whats up. Stupid car.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #533, 09-10-2010 12:16 AM
      Got a lot done today. I installed my dash, and most of my center console, plus did a lot of wiring that still needs to be finished (way to many wires). Alex came over and helped my dad install his clutch pedal, steering column, and 5-speed shifter. Got my radio working again, along with the HVAC, which i installed a red LED into. Progress is being made, getting closer!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #534, 09-11-2010 04:27 AM
      Not too much done today, I got three quarts of syncromesh and put it into my 4-speed. I also bought some tools for glueing my interior panels back together from the common warp, plus some metal for my Dual TB intake.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #535, 09-13-2010 09:31 PM
      Got a bunch of stuff done today. I removed my magnaflow system and installed my system with the cat. again, because I have one more emissions check to go through. But it'll be the last one forever, at this in this state. I installed my air cleaner housing and filter, and installed my clutch line fitting. I tried to bleed the clutch, and I got some fluid out of the slave, but it like 20 pumps to go from the full line to the add line, so I think my master is dead. And the pumps were all feather light, like just pushing air. So I ordered RD's master. It isn't in stock yet, but it should be on its way, and then it'll be shipped to me. I tried starting it today also, and it turns over, but nothing much else. Might be the extra load of the clutch being engaged and having to move the transmission too. I hear the fuel pump and smell gas slightly, so I'm pretty sure I got fuel.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #536, 09-14-2010 11:13 PM
      Well today we picked up the white fiero, runs great now, but still has a rear cailper issue, and its still leaking oil. Didn't do much on it today, replaced a few burnt out bulbs. Installed the oil pan on my dad's 3.4. What did I do on mine? I broke the new LED trunk light, one of the loops broke off. It just never ends with that Rusty gold thing (new name).

Alex came over today and I snapped a picture of all four Fiero's. The North Ridgeville Fiero Club!

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NCTyphoonKid (cdahr@triad.rr.com) MSG #537, 09-20-2010 09:23 PM
      Lookin pretty good Matt sucks the LED thing broke but things happen.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #538, 09-20-2010 11:51 PM
      I got mine in the mail today! 110% quality, with the adjustable banjo! The reservoir is a MUCH better design, it will never break off. No more small tabs to break off, its clamped in place. Nice silver finish, and i love the brass bushing that is included! It fits perfect. The cap is a better design too, snaps on and off then twist it to lock it.
Here is what I received.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #539, 09-21-2010 08:38 PM
      New master cylinder is in, but it didn't make a difference really. I bleed it, and there is fluid coming from the bleeder into the little bottle i have back there. But still the pedal is feather light and it isn't disengaging the clutch. Maybe its the fitting i added.

VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #540, 09-21-2010 10:12 PM
      I am guessing you bench bleed the master cylinder?

These things suck to get bleed out, patience Matt, you will get it.

You have come a long ways, I know you will get it.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #541, 09-21-2010 11:29 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by VikingRedBaron:

I am guessing you bench bleed the master cylinder?

These things suck to get bleed out, patience Matt, you will get it.

You have come a long ways, I know you will get it.


No, you don't need to bench bleed (and i have no clue how you would do it either) a clutch master cylinder. I could be wrong.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #542, 09-22-2010 12:29 AM
      Matt do you have a vacuum bleeder or are you doing it with one person in the car and another opening the bleeder? I personally would use a vacuum bleeder.
I cant see bench bleeding helping as much for a clutch as it does a master because a master has so many more ports.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #543, 09-22-2010 02:18 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tstang429:

Matt do you have a vacuum bleeder or are you doing it with one person in the car and another opening the bleeder? I personally would use a vacuum bleeder.
I cant see bench bleeding helping as much for a clutch as it does a master because a master has so many more ports.


I'm using RD's clutch bleeder tool with the one-way valve in it.


VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #544, 10-02-2010 08:45 PM
      Matt must be on vacation !!!

I sure miss the updates !!!


fiero al MSG #545, 10-02-2010 09:49 PM
      lately he's been working on his mom's and dad's cars. but he should be back and working on his car soon.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #546, 10-03-2010 01:08 AM
      Yes, I have been busy with the other two fieros, the white 88 coupe, and my dad's 86 GT

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VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #547, 10-03-2010 04:27 PM
      "No more "Ford blue" crap."

Welcome Back Matt !!!

Sounds like a nice upgrade to "Goldie" is in the works.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #548, 10-06-2010 08:29 PM
      Nothing to see here, move right along!!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #549, 10-08-2010 12:05 AM
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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #550, 10-09-2010 04:40 AM
      Well, I got a few things done before work today, I finally got my 3.4 PR running again, turns out the fuel pump doesn't work until I apply +12 volts to Terminal G of the ALDL connector, so maybe the relay is bad? I also took off my water pump, as it was leaking like crazy. May have been a combination of a few things, but in the end i'm getting a new water pump and gasket for it. When it started it I noticed it had a bad exhaust leak coming from the y-pipe to front header joint. Looks like I am in need of another gasket, either as a spacer, or a thicker gasket. Also, my battery has died, so I'm going to replace it, as it is still under warranty.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #551, 10-12-2010 12:18 AM
      Update. I bought a new water pump for my 3.4 PR, with a new gasket, plus RTV, and it still leaks?? Not nearly as bad as it was, but it was still leaking. So I said what the heck and put the pulley on along with the belt. Started it up and ran it for a good 10 minutes, and it doesn't seem to leak anymore (at least none that I can see right now). Crossing my fingers that its fixed!! I had the battery checked out and charged up, its good to go again! I replaced one of the y-pipe to header gaskets with a thicker gasket, but the back one leaks too! Badly! That's going to be fun to try and replace. Other then that, it ran OK. While it was running I put it in first gear, and the axles/hubs turned so that's a good sign! The fuel pump relay is good I guess, I switched the two relays and I still didn't get any priming of the fuel pump. Like I said, I have to jump 12+ volts into it via terminal G of the ALDL connector. My gauges are all messed up from removing the needles to paint them. Guess I need to remove the needles and reset them somehow.
My main problem is my clutch, as it STILL doesn't work. I bought a vacuum bleeder, and attempted to bleed it, no luck. Attempted to "bench bleed" the master, that didn't help either. I guess I'm going to have to get another clutch line after all, its that joint that is causing these issues, I'm pretty sure. So I need another clutch line now, Its my only choice, I don't think I can tighten that fitting more then it already is. The strange part is that I don't see any fluid leaking on the ground near it, or anywhere around it for that matter.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #552, 10-12-2010 11:09 PM
      Today I bought some exhaust sealer in a tube for my badly leaking y-pipe connection. I filled the large seam with the stuff and I'm letting it sit over night. Tomorrow I'll see how it worked! The coolant leak seems to have disappeared, maybe not 100% but pretty close.

EDIT: It didn't work at all, the thermal expansion of the header and y-pipe kept cracking it right off.

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GADJet MSG #553, 10-13-2010 12:36 PM
      So you took out the 3.4 and you are putting in a LQ1 in its place?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #554, 10-13-2010 05:05 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by GADJet:

So you took out the 3.4 and you are putting in a LQ1 in its place?


No, plans have changed, sorry.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #555, 10-13-2010 05:21 PM
      fuel pump fuse was blown. Whoops...
Hey it primes now!


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #556, 10-13-2010 06:26 PM
      Matt after that lil wiring issue before i would go threw and check all those fuses. Ur at two now that blew. Good luck on that next swap hope to be cruising with you guys next season.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #557, 10-13-2010 08:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tstang429:

Matt after that lil wiring issue before i would go threw and check all those fuses. Ur at two now that blew. Good luck on that next swap hope to be cruising with you guys next season.


Yea I'll have to do that. I haven't had a problem since though, no fuses have blown since.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #558, 10-14-2010 07:22 PM
      Fired her up today! Exhaust leak is a lot better, but still there. I'll try to add more exhaust leak sealant later. The thing still runs great! But it likes to stall when it warms up. usually after revving it. Don't see much leaking, belt isn't slipping either. Like I said, fuel pump issue was fixed. As for the clutch issue, I got another line coming in the mail for it. This time I'm going to do it right. And my gauges are still off (mostly the speedo).

The big news though, is today my dad and I put his cradle back in his fiero. Over all it went well. Man, its getting cold out there. We are having some issues with the Isuzu shift cables though. They are really stiff, can't really shift the trans too much. Other then that its coming along well.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #559, 10-18-2010 12:35 AM
      Today Alex and I went to pull-a-part, and got several things. After we got back home, we helped my dad start his 3.4 up for the first time! Woo! It runs!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #560, 10-18-2010 10:35 PM
      Well today it was cold and rainy so I didn't do much of anything.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #561, 10-19-2010 01:08 AM
      I can't believe it.

I think I finally found the problem to my running/idle issues with my 3.4 PR. Basically, I got way too big injectors. They are Ford pink top injectors, which means they are 21# injectors, not 19# like the eBay ad said. I bought them not knowing pink ones are 21#, and orange ones are 19#, its Ford's injector color code. And I just found this out tonight by browsing the internet. No wonder it runs like crap. I mean it runs and revs fine, but the idle sucks when it warms up, and throttle response isn't that great, plus It starts to act strange past maybe 4k RPMS. I do have the AFPR, but I think there's a point were you turn down the PSI too much, and it causes driveabilty issues.

I own page 15! Woo!

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Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #562, 10-19-2010 08:34 PM
      Hey congrats on finding the problem out, Matt! Sometimes the answer just appears. Are you going to leave your PR in then and give the DOHC to your mom? Also, just a suggestion, but dress up the welds on that exhaust, they are kinda' ugly. Good job Matt!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #563, 10-20-2010 12:30 AM
      Well I set my fuel rail to 30PSI, it was at 20 when i checked it today. That makes it flow about the same as 17# injectors. I raised it up to 43.5 to see what would happen, and it was pig rich. Idled OK, but smelled super rich, and it didn't rev well at all. Kept studdering like crazy. So yes, those are for sure 21# injectors.

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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #564, 10-20-2010 01:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by 87antuzzi:

What injectors are you using?




Tony Kania MSG #565, 10-20-2010 10:56 AM
      Nice Antuzzi. You are wise beyond your years.

Matt, I always click onto yuor build thread in hopes that you achieve your goals. You just seem to be a great guy. Good luck.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #566, 10-20-2010 05:08 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by 87antuzzi:




Hey, it was not my fault, the guy who sold me them on eBay had wrong information, and sold me too big injectors. I didn't know this until two days ago, it is hard to find info on Ford Pink top injectors. 19's are orange, and 21's are pink (or so I have read.) So I told you what I knew at that time, which I now know was wrong.

 
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Matt, I always click onto your build thread in hopes that you achieve your goals. You just seem to be a great guy. Good luck.


Thank you!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #567, 10-20-2010 11:01 PM
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87antuzzi (krisantuzzi@vzw.blackberry.net) MSG #568, 10-20-2010 11:34 PM
      Im digging the gold and black.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #569, 10-24-2010 12:12 AM
      Too bad im not using the gold and black engine anymore.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #570, 10-26-2010 10:39 PM
      Well folks, I finally got my hands on something I secretly wanted for a long time. Got it off a junked Pontiac in pull-a-part.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #571, 10-27-2010 10:06 PM
      Took apart the M90 today. Man, does that supercharger oil stink! The coupler is definitely bad, not so sure about the needle bearings. Everything else looks good for 138K miles. What do you guys think?


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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #572, 10-27-2010 10:37 PM
      And NOW I understand how a supercharger works Nice build!

1988holleyformula MSG #573, 10-27-2010 11:48 PM
      In the engine bay of a Gold Fiero:

Ford Blue =
Black & Gold =

jk Matt, but that LQ1 is beautiful.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #574, 10-29-2010 01:38 AM
      Yea, I agree, but again it's too bad I'm not using it.

Today I removed my fuel rail from my 3.4 PR, removed the injectors from the rail (which are now for sale, if anyone wants a set of 8 21# mustang "pink top" injectors) and installed the 17# injectors. I didn't put the rail back in the engine though, I ran out of time.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #575, 10-31-2010 05:29 PM
      I got the rail back in the car today, and it runs! Better then before, not perfect, most likely because of the exhaust leak it still has, but it runs! Idles good, rev's good (loud). My mom says she wants it in her Fiero. Now. Now all I need to do is get the clutch line in (new one) and bleed it, and I will be able to drive it! Piece of cake! Right. Not looking forward to installing it, it's a real PITA, mostly up front, middle and rear is pretty easy. Gotta remove a lot of stuff to get it in correctly, but I need to do it right this time, last time I took a shortcut I snapped the line in half.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #576, 10-31-2010 06:22 PM
      Here is a video of my car I took today. Sorry about the poor sound, my camera sucks in that department.

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mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #577, 10-31-2010 08:20 PM
      Matt,
I found out something that may be interesting to you. I mentioned to you that I had a wiring issue, and could not get my car to start. I found out that it may have been a problem with the starter. If the ECM does not see a fast enough rotation from the crank angle sensor, it won't fire the injectors. If you have the same problem with intermittent starting, I would replace the starter.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #578, 10-31-2010 11:29 PM
      Thanks for the info.

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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #579, 11-01-2010 08:25 AM
      u don't have the neutral safety wired in?

mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #580, 11-01-2010 10:30 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


That is good info to know, thank you. But, that was never the issue with my car, it always started. Always. Just never kept running, but I think for the most part its all good now. Moving on to next engine, yours.

EDIT: Then again the starter on that thing is the original one from my 2.8, which is the one from the factory as far as I know. So its a 25+ year old starter. Still works as seen in the video though.



I was talking about on the LQ1. The motor I sold you.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #581, 11-01-2010 11:52 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tstang429:

u don't have the neutral safety wired in?


Nope!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #582, 11-02-2010 02:28 AM
      Well today I installed most of my clutch line. Installed the rear section, put the tires on and lowered the car to the ground for the first time in a while. Raised the front, removed the battery, battery box, and spare tire tub. This gives me a chance to fix that battery box, was never installed right. Well I fish the line to the master, and find out the fitting is too short and too small. Must be for the 1st gen masters. So, I had to cut the line, and attempted use the replacement line from my first clutch line. Sadly the compression fitting isn't usable again, so I'm looking to get another one.

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Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #583, 11-02-2010 04:57 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mrjohnishome:

Matt,
I found out something that may be interesting to you. I mentioned to you that I had a wiring issue, and could not get my car to start. I found out that it may have been a problem with the starter. If the ECM does not see a fast enough rotation from the crank angle sensor, it won't fire the injectors. If you have the same problem with intermittent starting, I would replace the starter.


there is a temp work around ..wire up a temp positon switch to open up the injectors for a moment when in ON position before start. You must have a fast enough starter and a good battery/charging system


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #584, 11-04-2010 12:39 AM
      NO luck finding correct compression fittings at local stores, I got one that was close, 1/4", but its a little too big. Hopefully I can get it to compress down enough so it doesn't leak. The stock clutch line is 6mm btw.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #585, 11-04-2010 08:35 PM
      No luck with the clutch. The fitting worked, but It will not bleed. There isn't too much fluid coming out the back of the slave, and there isn't much fluid leaving the master, sometimes there is, and sometimes there isn't. Master is brand new, and it does work, shoots fluid out when the line is removed. No leaks in lines, Slave worked on my dad's fiero before giving it to me for use. It takes very little effort to push the clutch pedal. I'm stumped, and need help on this. Even if its something really simple, all i need is that line working and I can drive my Fiero for the first time with a manual.
Help!!


mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #586, 11-05-2010 10:48 PM
      Matt, go to the local auto parts store and rent a vacuum bleeder. Put the vacuum bleeder on the bleeder at the slave, and crack the bleeder. Pump it up with the pump, and you should be able to pull fluid through. If you can't pull any fluid, remove the fitting at the master. Try pumping the vacuum bleeder with the fitting removed. If it will hold a vacuum, your line is clogged somewhere. If your line is clear, try bench bleeding the master. Good luck.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #587, 11-06-2010 12:32 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mrjohnishome:

Matt, go to the local auto parts store and rent a vacuum bleeder. Put the vacuum bleeder on the bleeder at the slave, and crack the bleeder. Pump it up with the pump, and you should be able to pull fluid through. If you can't pull any fluid, remove the fitting at the master. Try pumping the vacuum bleeder with the fitting removed. If it will hold a vacuum, your line is clogged somewhere. If your line is clear, try bench bleeding the master. Good luck.


I forgot to say, I already have a vacuum bleeder, and already tried that. And I didn't get any fluid with the fitting still connected to the master, and there was no vacuum. I'm going to try dodgerunner's method, and see if that works. Power bleed the system!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #588, 11-07-2010 10:25 PM
      Well no luck. I tried dodgerunner's idea the best I could because the cap didn't have a vent hole, but all I did was get brake fluid everywhere. I also took the compression fitting apart, and it is not crushed or pinched off. But while I had the line disconnected, I had someone push in the clutch pedal, and no fluid (maybe a drip or two) came out. No fluid leaked out when i took the fitting apart either. But yet, the master shoots fluid out the threaded port when the line was completely removed, and there was fluid coming out the opened slave bleeder when I was trying gravity bleeding. I think I'm going to try to replace the custom piece of line from the master to the compression fitting with a new piece of 6mm line from NAPA, and see if that works. If it doesn't, i guess my master is defective? Its a brand new RD unit.

P.S-What do you guys think of my new signature?



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #589, 11-08-2010 08:31 PM
      I bought a 20" section of 6mm line from NAPA after work today, so tomorrow i'll install it from the master to the compression fitting, and see if it makes any difference. I hope it does, that current piece does look a little kinked.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #590, 11-09-2010 05:45 PM
      Well, thankfully I finally got my clutch line working. The new compression fitting, along with my new 6mm line, and finally the vacuum bleeder, it works.
Does it look stock? No. Does it look OK, and functional? Yes. Looks better because of the tubing bender I now have. I'm certain that old scratched bent up line was at least part of the problem.
Picture:


So then guess what I did.
I DROVE IT!!!!!
It's filthy, grimy, leaking coolant AGAIN, speedometer is not even close, engine isn't tuned right (I don't think it ever was), its not back together completely, bad exhaust leak, etc etc.
But damn-it, It drives and it is FAST. That first drive was a rush, and being very anxious about it plus all the excitement, I was shaking, I had to sit down for a while.
Even though I understand its a brand new clutch, that FS RAM-HD clutch is kinda like an on-off switch. Lots of bite.
Woo!
Pictures:





On both drives I have taken so far, when I returned home the header wrap was smoking like CRAZY. I think its from the brake fluid I spilled on it. Oh, and when I gave my dad a ride, he said i gave him whip-lash.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #591, 11-09-2010 10:13 PM
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Ridgelandbaseball (pwammons@oh.rr.com) MSG #592, 11-09-2010 10:32 PM
      We're very excited Matt has the car on the road. Got a temp tag and insured it today to make it legal. The power is amazing as Matt said. It's great how he switched it from auto to manual. What a task. Bummed about the coolant leak though. Hope he solves problem without to much trouble.



Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #593, 11-10-2010 07:33 PM
      DANG!!!! Congrats on getting to drive her again, Matt. I can't wait to take a ride in it myself. Right now I am tossing around the idea of a 3400 swap in my GT from a late model Grand Am, you coming over to help me put it in? Also, Phil, I don't think the coolant leak will be much of a problem for SuperMatt!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #594, 11-10-2010 10:04 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

DANG!!!! Congrats on getting to drive her again, Matt. I can't wait to take a ride in it myself. Right now I am tossing around the idea of a 3400 swap in my GT from a late model Grand Am, you coming over to help me put it in? Also, Phil, I don't think the coolant leak will be much of a problem for SuperMatt!


Thanks! Of course I'll help. Those 3400's are nice, I do admit. Gen III of the 60* V6's, intake is much better then the 2.8. Aluminum heads, splayed valves, heart shaped combustion chambers for a quicker burn, D shaped exhaust ports, and a windage tray with side bolts going through the main bearing caps. About 180 HP or so, maybe 200 if you got a cam or something.

The coolant leak HAS been a problem. New water pump, with new gasket and lots of RTV, and it still leaks.

I drove it again for a while today, the exhaust leak makes it obnoxious. The 3.4 is so violent, it spun the nuts and washers right off the rear trans mount (maybe they weren't 100% tight but still). No wonder the rear of the car shifted when I accelerated or de-accelerated.
Header wrap isn't smoking much anymore, but it still stinks.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #595, 11-11-2010 07:53 PM
      Worked on my Fiero all day today. First off, I started mini-project stuff I didn't need, most didn't work, or had issues, I was sick of it all, so I ripped a bunch of stuff out of my car that I didn't want or need. The big thing I removed was the pillar gauge pod and the two gauges, Boost/vacuum gauge and narrow band A/R gauge (pretty useless). I'm going to need another A-pillar trim piece, a lot of holes are now showing. A lot of wires were removed. I did keep the auto-dimming mirror with compass, fog lights, and FM modulator. If I want to add more gauges (which I do), It'll be either where the Aux Gauges are, or at least a better install job with different gauges on the A-pillar.

I took apart my cluster again, and reset each needle, so each one is more or less accurate now. Speedometer is pretty close. Then I put the rest of the interior back together for the most part. Found and installed two nuts for the rear trans mount. Didn't help, the rear end still swayed when accelerating or de-accelerating. Found out my tie rod on the passenger side was loose at the cradle. Whoops. Will fix that tomorrow. Also, I used some of the exhaust leak filler in a tube I bought earlier, I think it worked on the two sides that I could get to from the top, but that third side leaks, sounds like I didn't make a difference. I need to get under to car to get to that side.

I have code 43, knock sensor. That could be my issue besides the exhaust leak. And I did feel that "wall" the 3.4 hits at about 4500 RPM with the stock intake. Needs better flow, which is why I plan to use my Dual Throttle Body Intake.

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Matts Mom MSG #596, 11-11-2010 08:27 PM
      CONGRATULATIONS MATT!!! I'm proud of your accomplishments, especially the swap to the manual drive. AWESOME!! Enjoyed the ride, even if it was bumpy. Loved the feel of all that engine power. Looking forward to using it in my 88 next spring. Hope the duke behaves 'til then.

Thanks again to everyone for their support during Matt's build. I am so impressed by how much this Forum has encouraged Matt through some tough times. He has really grown into his own -- a little cocky sometimes, but then I must remember that 18 yr olds know everything. Regardless, I'm one proud & grateful mom!


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #597, 11-11-2010 09:03 PM
      <=== Also very proud with how the youngling has grown up! Congrats Matt!!!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #598, 11-11-2010 10:46 PM
      Me? Cocky? Pfft! It just so happens that my knowledge gets the best of me sometimes.

fiero al MSG #599, 11-12-2010 04:17 PM
      your 3.4 deffently has power and the 3.4 DOHC well add even more power to it. lets just hope you don't get power crazy and upgrade it to the v8 . just remember what you told me to do if you start thinking about it.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #600, 11-12-2010 04:20 PM
      Not using that engine anymore, sorry.

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VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #601, 11-12-2010 10:05 PM
      Congratulations Matt !!!

I knew you could do it !!!

Matt is not Cocky, just Assertive !!!

I own page 16 Buddy !!!

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Matts Mom MSG #602, 11-14-2010 12:37 AM
      Okay, okay. I give! We'll say he's assertive, but then in all honesty, as Matt's mom, I wouldn't have him any other way. He has traveled long & hard to get where he is, & I couldn't be any more proud of him. He has shown great maturity over the last couple of years & I look forward to seeing what his abilities will be in the future! Love ya, Bud!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #603, 11-15-2010 09:03 PM
      I got several pictures here of both my Fiero and my dad's Fiero next to each other, it really shows the differences between a notchback and a fastback. Both are 3.4's, I have a 4-speed, and my dad has a Isuzu 5-speed.










Took this one today, I tried to do a night shot of my interior/gauges, but my camera sucks, so all i got was a picture of my tail-lights with the parking lights on.


In other news, today I installed my new Pioneer rear 4X6 speakers with bass blockers. I now have all new speakers in my Fiero, it sounds great! Not a high end system by any means, but that wasn't my goal, I don't need 5 12" subs. My 5.25" sub sounds good to me.

I did find out that my speedo's trip OD doesn't work correctly. Don't know what happened to it.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #604, 11-16-2010 03:32 PM
      I took the fiero up to a local shop to have them look at the coolant leak because they have a snake camera, and a lift. So I found out i'm dumping coolant AND leaking oil out of the timing cover. Also found out my nasty exhaust leak has nearly ate though one of my A/C lines, the rubber part. I mean though it completely, I bet it will start eating through the second line soon enough if i don't do anything about it.

I then checked the knock sensor voltage, and its only .4 volts. I reconnected it (before I started testing) and at times it runs and idles great, but then it goes into retarded timing and runs like total crap, and sets code 43.

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RotrexFiero MSG #605, 11-16-2010 10:40 PM
      Matt, how did you install your timing cover gasket?

I had the same problem. I put the cover on with just the gasket and when I poured coolant in it leaked right out. After I did RTV with the gasket. There are a pain to change with the engine in the car but not impossible.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #606, 11-17-2010 02:47 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by RotrexFiero:

Matt, how did you install your timing cover gasket?

I had the same problem. I put the cover on with just the gasket and when I poured coolant in it leaked right out. After I did RTV with the gasket. There are a pain to change with the engine in the car but not impossible.


Yea, I just used the plain gasket. Weird thing is, the first time the engine was in with the automatic it (as far as I know) didn't leak, or at least it didn't leak this bad. Oh well. I'm not going to deal with fixing it in the car, I'll fix it when I have the engine out of the car.


Gokart Mozart MSG #607, 11-17-2010 10:29 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

I got several pictures here of both my Fiero and my dad's Fiero next to each other, it really shows the differences between a notchback and a fastback.




Big difference


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #608, 11-17-2010 11:09 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Big difference


Well actually, if you look close enough you can see in that picture my dad's fastback is higher off the ground due to the 15" wheels, and his lower ground effects are silver, and mine are black.
You can also see his round belt trim, while mine is ribbed.
So yea, big difference.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #609, 11-29-2010 02:09 PM
      any progress or news?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #610, 11-29-2010 05:48 PM
      Nope. In fact today was the first time I started it for 2-3 weeks. I moved it up to make more room, but I think its done for the winter, I will most likely remove the battery and throw a cover on it soon, to wait out another winter, outside.

Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #611, 11-29-2010 06:15 PM
      Hmm... so the 3.4 PR / 4T60 project has morphed into a 3.4 TDC / 4-speed. Kinda funny how that works out, isn't it?

BTW, I bet your Fiero is faster than your dad's.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #612, 11-30-2010 12:57 AM
      Nope, still using my 3.4 PR.
But yes I bet it still can beat my dad's.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #613, 12-08-2010 01:48 AM
      Well I have a update, but nothing directly to do with my Fiero. Today, I signed up for college classes with the community college to get my Associates degree in Computer Aided Machining! I start in January, so since I'll be piled with school work and it's very cold and snowy outside, There won't be much happening here for several months. Still, my goal is to get my car going in time to drive it to Carisle 2011. And depending if PK or Andy drive there Fiero's to Frazee, I just might do the same so we could caravan up there. Regardless, It won't be the "best" drive, because I have the 4-speed muncie.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #614, 12-09-2010 08:01 PM
      I attempted to start my car today, but no luck, battery is empty, so I removed the battery for the winter. So its offical, its not moving for at least 4 months.
Also, I forgot that I took this picture, but its a nice picture of how our driveway looks now. minus the several inches of snow/


RumbleB MSG #615, 12-12-2010 08:38 PM
      It"s going to be hard to move that truck if your Fiero is out for the winter. You have come a long way with that car. Keep up the good work.

Don Z.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #616, 12-14-2010 01:42 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by RumbleB:

It"s going to be hard to move that truck if your Fiero is out for the winter. You have come a long way with that car. Keep up the good work.

Don Z.


The Dakota is hibernating for the winter too, so It's ok.


Midnight (dbeaule@gmail.com) MSG #617, 12-17-2010 03:45 PM
      Havent been here in a while but the cars look great guys. Mike's and mine are stored for the winter. Got my engine cradle put in that your dad sold me and it worked out great.

Next up is the struts, shocks, tie rod ends and alignment. Hopefully we can hook up sometime next year. \m/

Dan


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #618, 12-18-2010 02:22 PM
      After a lot of thinking and some serious discussion with someone of PFF who has experience and has "been there done that", I have decided too not use the LQ1 engine for my Fiero. It's what I want to do, and I think its a better choice to stop now, then finish it and be un-happy with it. I'm not doing this because I'm greedy, no way, I'm keeping my "Ford Blue" engine in my Fiero and fixing it up. I mean, I only lost the time working on the harness and money spent on a few new parts, I haven't even mocked it up in the cradle yet, I haven't cut my trunk out or my decklid hinge, like I said it's a much better choice to stop now then later when its all in and complete. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. If anyone thinks poorly of me because of this decision, fine, I think I can handle that. And just so you know, its not just one person that changed my opinion on it, several people have told me the same things earlier, its just this certain PFF member explained his troubles in clear detail about what the problems were and why.

So, my LQ1 engine along with its custom exhaust is now for sale. It's pretty much ready to go right on a cradle and into the car.

In the end it's actually quite a bit less work for me, because I'm now swapping engines again. I think I'm still going to drop the cradle again to fix/replace the timing cover and oil pan, fix the bad exhaust leak, replace the melted A/C lines, and fix the shifter cables and the mounting bracket for them, and trace the knock sensor wire to check for an open, as that is what is causing the running issues.


RWDPLZ MSG #619, 12-18-2010 03:22 PM
      I certainly don't blame you, with all the work involved and time invested, but as far as you've come, with the parts accumulated and the hard part (wiring) done, if it were me, I'd be WAY too curious and excited to take on the challenge of accomplishing the swap, and at least driving it a bit to feel the difference in the two engines, and decide between the two.

Wasn't your mom's car supposed to get the 3.4 OHV? How about putting the LQ1 in her car, and trying it out before deciding to sell?

I'm having a hard time deciding which one I'd like to do on my next car, but I was leaning towards what you're doing: Start with the 3.4 OHV, and then the LQ1, and swapping back if I wanted to.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #620, 12-18-2010 04:10 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

I certainly don't blame you, with all the work involved and time invested, but as far as you've come, with the parts accumulated and the hard part (wiring) done, if it were me, I'd be WAY too curious and excited to take on the challenge of accomplishing the swap, and at least driving it a bit to feel the difference in the two engines, and decide between the two.

Wasn't your mom's car supposed to get the 3.4 OHV? How about putting the LQ1 in her car, and trying it out before deciding to sell?

I'm having a hard time deciding which one I'd like to do on my next car, but I was leaning towards what you're doing: Start with the 3.4 OHV, and then the LQ1, and swapping back if I wanted to.


Reason is if I actually swapped in my LQ1, It would be harder to swap back. This is because to do the swap like i wanted, not only would I have to cut most of the passenger side decklid hinge and lose my torsion springs, but I would have to cut out the factory dog bone mount for clearance and I would lose the bottom section of my trunk.

I am no longer excited to finish the swap because of all the hardships it looks like I will encounter if I did complete it, since it is a massive engine, which is very top heavy and is a complete PITA to even try to work on while in the car. That is the main problem it moves too much and with all the weight being on top, it destroys either a mount, the done bone, or itself. and when it does break loose, the 470lb giant is going to slam into something and break it for sure. I did some measuring, and the cam towers come to rest with less then an inch of space between them and the trunk and firewall. There are much better solutions out there.
I'm just taking bits and pieces out of what this guy told me, if anyone wants the full story I'd be happy to share.

Why not swap it into my mom's 88 coupe? Because I designed the wiring, ECM programming, and whatnot for a manual transmission, and the 88 is an auto. I am not swapping over another fiero from auto to manual again, no thanks. An LQ1 is wasted if it's hooked up to an auto in my opinion. I was thinking I'd rather wait and swap in a 4.9/4T60e. That would be amazing, I got a ride in one of those, amazing amount of torque.

EDIT: If I can't sell it, then yea it may end up in the 88 coupe.

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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #621, 12-20-2010 01:47 AM
      Cant wait for this freeze to part and see you get your 3.4pr going. I agree your making the best decision now this year you can enjoy driving more then working.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #622, 12-20-2010 04:46 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tstang429:

Cant wait for this freeze to part and see you get your 3.4pr going. I agree your making the best decision now this year you can enjoy driving more then working.


Me too, but like i said, I think i'll need to drop the cradle again to fix several of the issues it currently has, which I wrote down on a piece of paper.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #623, 12-22-2010 01:53 AM
      I have also decided today that I'm going to program my own chip(s) from now on, so I bought the C.A.T tuner kit, a little pricey but actually cheaper in the long term because I don't have to keep sending my chip out, and I can make some money programming others chips once I get the hang of it.

And another reason I'm doing my own tuning is because I'm going to use my Dual Throttle Body Intake on my 3.4 PR, which most likely will take time to program for the best settings, since not many others have done this. Like I posted earlier in this thread, here is a picture of what I designed mine off of. It's not going to be this nice and shiny, but I'll do my best.

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Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #624, 12-22-2010 02:12 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


Reason is if I actually swapped in my LQ1, It would be harder to swap back. This is because to do the swap like i wanted, not only would I have to cut most of the passenger side decklid hinge and lose my torsion springs, but I would have to cut out the factory dog bone mount for clearance and I would lose the bottom section of my trunk.

I am no longer excited to finish the swap because of all the hardships it looks like I will encounter if I did complete it, since it is a massive engine, which is very top heavy and is a complete PITA to even try to work on while in the car. That is the main problem it moves too much and with all the weight being on top, it destroys either a mount, the done bone, or itself. and when it does break loose, the 470lb giant is going to slam into something and break it for sure. I did some measuring, and the cam towers come to rest with less then an inch of space between them and the trunk and firewall. There are much better solutions out there.
I'm just taking bits and pieces out of what this guy told me, if anyone wants the full story I'd be happy to share.


Thats funny ..I've been driving mine for 5 yrs now, run the snot out of it and never get bored with driving the car. It was the engine Pontiac was going to put in the 89 Fiero so its a natural progression from a 2.8. I think you are making a mistake in not at least trying the engine out. Also it isn't VERY top heavy and feels like a stock engine in back handling wise around corners. I never had to cut my trunk out for my exhaust nor did I have to cut the stock dog bone mount out. It looks like the person who convinced you it isn't worth trying didn't setup the engine correctly. Also it isn't that hard to work on. No more so than the 2.8 in some respects. I do commend whoever told you the weight of the engine even though its about 5 lbs too heavy. Some think the engine weighs 492 lbs which is incorrect.

Why would you want to swap back? You could simply mount another passenger hinge if you wanted to go back stock with the torsion springs intact.
I have a wingless fastback and it had the spoiler springs and with one of the spring gone it will lift the wingless lid and stay lifted. A strut for the wing lid is a simple fix. Most cars hoods have to be propped up by struts or a hood prop rod

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #625, 12-22-2010 02:33 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Erik:


Thats funny ..I've been driving mine for 5 yrs now, run the snot out of it and never get bored with driving the car. It was the engine Pontiac was going to put in the 89 Fiero so its a natural progression from a 2.8. I think you are making a mistake in not at least trying the engine out. Also it isn't VERY top heavy and feels like a stock engine in back handling wise around corners. I never had to cut my trunk out for my exhaust nor did I have to cut the stock dog bone mount out. It looks like the person who convinced you it isn't worth trying didn't setup the engine correctly. Also it isn't that hard to work on. No more so than the 2.8 in some respects. I do commend whoever told you the weight of the engine even though its about 5 lbs too heavy. Some think the engine weighs 492 lbs which is incorrect.

Why would you want to swap back? You could simply mount another passenger hinge if you wanted to go back stock with the torsion springs intact.
I have a wingless fastback and it had the spoiler springs and with one of the spring gone it will lift the wingless lid and stay lifted. A strut for the wing lid is a simple fix. Most cars hoods have to be propped up by struts or a hood prop rod



Different people have different experiences with this engine. Some have had zero issues, and some nothing but issues. I made my decision because I have already spent $2500+ on my 3.4PR and I don't want to give it up that easily. And its not just the money either, it's my first in a lot of things. First total engine rebuild, first cradle drop, first rear suspension rebuild, and then all the things I did with the car itself that deals with the engine, most notably the auto-manual swap. It means a lot to me, even if it really pisses me off some of the time, it's part of the experience. I'm only 18, I got my whole life ahead of me to do a LQ1 swap if I wanted to. I'm not making a mistake by not trying it out because I shouldn't have bought it in the first place, but it was just to good a "deal" to pass up at the time. Like a lot of things, I now know better because of it.


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #626, 12-22-2010 02:51 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:


Different people have different experiences with this engine. Some have had zero issues, and some nothing but issues. I made my decision because I have already spent $2500+ on my 3.4PR and I don't want to give it up that easily. And its not just the money either, it's my first in a lot of things. First total engine rebuild, first cradle drop, first rear suspension rebuild, and then all the things I did with the car itself that deals with the engine, most notably the auto-manual swap. It means a lot to me, even if it really pisses me off some of the time, it's part of the experience. I'm only 18, I got my whole life ahead of me to do a LQ1 swap if I wanted to. I'm not making a mistake by not trying it out because I shouldn't have bought it in the first place, but it was just to good a "deal" to pass up at the time. Like a lot of things, I now know better because of it.


Well I guess all I can say is you'll never know for sure untill you try it. Personally, I just bought another LQ1 engine a brand new crate engine because I know I am going to be driving a LQ1GT for yrs to come. But, I am also have moved on to a N* swap for my other GT which is harder to swap than a LQ1 or a 3800. No problem moving to a different engine swap good luck to you.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #627, 12-22-2010 03:11 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Erik:


Well I guess all I can say is you'll never know for sure untill you try it. Personally, I just bought another LQ1 engine a brand new crate engine because I know I am going to be driving a LQ1GT for yrs to come. But, I am also have moved on to a N* swap for my other GT which is harder to swap than a LQ1 or a 3800. No problem moving to a different engine swap good luck to you.


Well if I ever met up with someone with an LQ1, I'll ask for a ride for sure, and I'll see how it goes from there.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #628, 12-24-2010 06:13 PM
      You know what. About my 3.4 PR, I was reading some of the eariler pages of this thread, and I have had code 43 from the very beginning! I think I'm going to run a new wire for it, and if that doesn't work, I'll disable it in the programming. I remember hearing it run without that code set, and it ran great! Then it set code 43, i could hear the exhaust note change, lack of power, it really retarded the timing. I think that has been my issue the whole time.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #629, 12-25-2010 09:46 PM
      Among a few other items, I got a HUGE propane forced air heater for Christmas!! It heats up the garage in less then 5 minutes. This is great for if/when I get a bigger or additional space to work. It's awesome!!

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #630, 12-30-2010 01:49 AM
      Awesome! You know what I did...yesterday (since its 1am)? I programmed my first PROM chip with a manual code-mask using the tables from my original 3.4 Automatic tune, and it works!!! Still got some bugs to fix, but my it works! Started up my 3.4 PR with it in my 7730 computer, and it idled perfect (considering a large exhaust leak before the O2 sensor). Still bogs when sharpy revved, but I think that's the exhaust leak's fault. Starts a lot faster then before too. And it over all runs better because I disabled the knock sensor in the programming since it was causing problems since the day i first started that engine. Snip!

I bought the CATS tuner kit, which includes the software, programmer, flash chip and two adapters. Not cheap at $215 but after buying the correct ECM definition file, I can program ANY GM OBD1 chip for any GM OBD1 vehicle. Could make some money with this!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #631, 01-03-2011 03:48 AM
      A friend of mine did this photo-shop for me. This is my goal of what I want to create!


kwagner MSG #632, 01-03-2011 11:48 PM
      I just read through this whole thread for the first time, and must say I'm impressed that you're sticking with it. The frustration can get to you after a while, but on the right day when everything is finally working, you go for a drive and it makes it all seem worthwhile Good luck in whatever you choose to do for the future.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #633, 01-09-2011 04:07 AM
      Here is an update picture on my DTBI. Taken from my new phone, not bad eh?

I had Mike Gonzalez make me a spacer so I could get the linkage rod to line up.


RotrexFiero MSG #634, 01-09-2011 12:07 PM
      Is that aluminum pipe, and did you weld that to the inake runners?

Just curious.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #635, 01-09-2011 02:40 PM
      Well, I admit I didn't make it, just improving the design. Yes it is welded and yes it is aluminm pipe. I think. Now I just need to attempt to polish the thing. Kinda.



Fierobsessed (nstarfiero@aol.com) MSG #636, 01-09-2011 03:02 PM
      Just FYI, This intake is off a 1995 Chrysler 3.5L

It has two Fiero looking HOLLEY TB'S that already have a crosslink bar. You could design around these.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #637, 01-09-2011 05:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierobsessed:

Just FYI, This intake is off a 1995 Chrysler 3.5L
It has two Fiero looking HOLLEY TB'S that already have a crosslink bar. You could design around these.


Looks a little like the intake I bought and attempted to use, but that didn't work at all. It was off a Nissan 300ZX I believe. It didn't even fit in the engine bay of the Fiero. (sorry about small picture)




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #638, 01-09-2011 10:18 PM
      I spent some time tonight to sand my DTBI to make it look better, and boy does it! I started at 100 girt, then moved up to 150, then 220, 320, 400, and finally 600 grit, with some wet-sanding. Turned out very nice considering how crappy it looked before. Next is going to be polishing it, but I need to get some polish and a buffing wheel first. I can't do anything about the 2 large dents, so hopefully the Quad 4 cover will keep that hidden. I also made new gaskets and installed them both, including the spacer. The linkage still isn't right, nor was JB weld working in my poor attempt to weld three rods together, so i think it would be best if I made a one piece rod, so I don't have to worry about a butt-joint breaking on me going down the highway. But it's going to a challenge because I will have to make a slot in the center of the rod in two exact places to hold the throttle plates in.
Pictures!

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Gokart Mozart MSG #639, 01-09-2011 10:52 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:
I can't do anything about the 2 large dents, so hopefully the Quad 4 cover will keep that hidden.



Are the TBs removable? If they are, the dents are repairable.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #640, 01-09-2011 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Are the TBs removable? If they are, the dents are repairable.


Yes, they are removable, how are they repairable? The TB flange is still there and the hole into the intake is kinda small...


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #641, 01-17-2011 01:46 AM
      Started my Fiero up for the first time in..i don't know how long! With about 6 inches of snow covering it too. After running for about 30 seconds and blipping the throttle a few times, it actually ran perfect! Steady smooth idle, exhaust leak sound disappeared, no SES light. I was kind of confused but no matter. It still runs! Also, I am considering changing to 1.6 roller rockers since I have a stock cam.

Page ownage!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #642, 01-27-2011 01:56 AM
      Got an update. Bought an already installed cav. digital dash in a guage pod from a member here for the 88 coupe, which is also getting a 4.9/4T60e after I get mine going in the spring/early summer.

And I finally got the linkage complete (for the most part) on my DTBI. It's not what I would have like, but honestly doing my original plan would have been to challenging or not strong enough, so I did the best compromise I could. I'd say it still looks good, as it has a external bar again, but it looks a LOT better then when I got it. The bar is below the intake, instead of in front of on top of it, which does in fact limit the throttle percentage to like 90-95% or so, but I don't think it will matter all that much since its flowing more then enough air at that time anyway. I'm glad I chopped the bottom off one of the TB's, because this system wouldn't have worked otherwise. I actually had to flip the TB's because of this, you'll see this in one of the pictures. Welds aren't the best I know, but they hold just fine. The pedal will require extra force however when its all in the Fiero, I'm sure of it. Lol.
As for vacuum lines, I bought a really nice blue vacuum distribution box from eBay to go along with this intake, and I got the whole thing figured out, plus an extra port or two in case I add something later that needs vacuum.
Ok, pictures!




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #643, 01-31-2011 12:30 AM
      Well, as you may or may not know I parted the LQ1 engine out, and I just finished ripping it apart today. I'm so glad I did not use it, because its pretty bad inside. First of, the cylinder walls are pitted from rust. one actually had rust! several pistons had side to side movement in the bore, too. The one that had rust, the piston rings were rusted inside the piston, they were flush! usually the stick out to seal to make compression
Then the main and rod bearings were toast, Like, when i removed the rod caps the bearing stayed on the crank journal!
The PO said he replaced the bearings. I think he did, just wrong. The bolts were much looser then I expected. and the bearings looked to be new, but they are now scratched and pitted from improper installation.

I can't get the timing cover off because the crank bolt is rounded, was like that when I got the engine.
The top end looks very good however, but i heard there is rarely i problem with those.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #644, 02-02-2011 05:36 PM
      Moved Fiero's and a truck around today, so I had to move my "Goldrush" Fiero. It looks so sad covered in ice. That and it DID NOT want to move from its spot. Now I really know the reason I don't drive it in the winter, the high performance clutch has little slip, it was tough moving it, but my mom and I got it moved.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #645, 02-07-2011 11:54 AM
      Update. Today I scrapped the LQ1 because it was junk on the block/bottom end. Along with some other things thrown in, I had 394lbs of scrap! Got a good amount of $$$ for all that too, so I'm happy. So long, LQ1! The rest has been sold to other PFF members, or kept for later use in a different application.

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shaggyizzy MSG #646, 02-11-2011 11:21 PM
      I read this whole thread in a day, it took me all day, lol....anyways can't wait to see that DTBI installed!!

GREAT looking car by the way, super jealous


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #647, 02-12-2011 06:59 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by shaggyizzy:

I read this whole thread in a day, it took me all day, lol....anyways can't wait to see that DTBI installed!!

GREAT looking car by the way, super jealous


Thanks!

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shaggyizzy MSG #648, 02-12-2011 11:04 AM
      Sounds like you got some work to do!

Get it done so i can see it in person in Frazee!

Those wheels will really set it off, making the "Gold Rush" shine!!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #649, 02-13-2011 05:58 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by shaggyizzy:

Sounds like you got some work to do!

Get it done so i can see it in person in Frazee!

Those wheels will really set it off, making the "Gold Rush" shine!!



I agree they will, but like i said, I most likely won't be able to get them until late this year or early next year. The DBTI will be installed and working by then for sure though.

This summer once its running smoothly I would like to take it down the strip once or twice, and maybe get a dyno done. Does anyone know or have a recommendation of a dyno shop/place in the Northern Ohio area?


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #650, 02-13-2011 09:02 PM
      you gonna run down thompson.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #651, 02-14-2011 11:12 AM
      Uh, more info please? I no idea who that is, where that is, or what that is. Lol.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #652, 02-14-2011 04:57 PM
      I got here a video I took my car running a few weeks ago. Thankfully 90% of that snow has melted by now, and its not as cold out but still.

The exhaust is louder in person but..that's still too quiet! Lol.


Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #653, 02-15-2011 12:37 PM
      http://www.thompsonracewaypark.com/

shaggyizzy MSG #654, 02-15-2011 05:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

I got here a video I took my car running a few weeks ago. Thankfully 90% of that snow has melted by now, and its not as cold out but still.

The exhaust is louder in person but..that's still too quiet! Lol.


Looks and sounds great!! Lovin the blue


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #655, 02-15-2011 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by shaggyizzy:


Looks and sounds great!! Lovin the blue


Thanks! I like the blue too, but that intake is going away soon for this:


The Fiero intake looks really cool, I don't deny that. But it flows like total crap! Sorry, with me, that doesn't fly.

Anyway, today, I removed my digital cruse control from my Fiero. I never got it working, It clutters up the engine bay, and I rarely use it if it works anyway. Looks better without it there for sure. Putting it up for sale soon.


shaggyizzy MSG #656, 02-15-2011 09:50 PM
      Yea that intake is going to be sick! You should try to engrave "Fiero" into the intake somehow, so it still looks half way factory

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #657, 02-15-2011 10:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tstang429:

http://www.thompsonracewaypark.com/


Summit racing is closer to me then that is.


pocket dude 411 MSG #658, 02-17-2011 03:03 PM
      Projects looking good. I like the dual intake idea. What you hoping it will run in the 1/4?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #659, 02-17-2011 04:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pocket dude 411:

Projects looking good. I like the dual intake idea. What you hoping it will run in the 1/4?


I'm not sure what it will run. I'm hoping for high 14's but you never know.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #660, 02-18-2011 05:22 PM
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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #661, 02-20-2011 06:31 AM
      I really didn't want to make another thread just for this so I'll just say it here:

I think I went over this in the past, but I wasn't a detailed about it. I have been asked by a few people as to why I chose the 3.65 4-speed muncie over a Getrag or a different 5-speed when i did my manual swap, because I had the option of doing that if I wanted to. I used the 4-speed for a few reason:
1. At the time it was a free transmission.
2. It is the best "performance" transmission out there for a Fiero that was a factory transmission. It does have a performance edge over the Getrag, with a slightly higher FDR and a taller 1st gear (best part IMHO). The Getrag is just a very good compromise between performance and economy with its 5th gear.
3. This one is the major reason. Parts for the 4-speed are everywhere and for the most part cheap, the transmissions themselves are a dime per dozen right now, they are everywhere. I even have a spare one sitting in my garage! Complete opposite situation for the Getrag, finding a good one without 200K miles is challenging and expensive, and replacement parts are very hard to find and expensive if you do find them. $80 for a replacement input shaft seal, if you can find one.
And 4. This could be a myth, but I believe its true, that the muncie 4-speed is a stronger transmission then the Getrag, don't get me wrong the Getrag is tough too compared to like an Isuzu, but just not as strong as the 4-speed. I think its because the diff bearings like to fail on it and that causes stress where the output shaft bearing rides and breaks that little section of the case off.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #662, 02-22-2011 05:33 PM
      Today i got the Quad 4 ign module cover in the mail that I bought from eBay. Its going to be used as appearance cover in the middle of the DTBI. I plan to have someone mill off the "Quad 4" lettering, and mill in the word "Fiero", then sand-blast and powder-coat it blue, like my valve covers. I have the correct size threaded rod to mount it, I just need to figure out how to keep it upright pretty much, I think I should ask TT Slick. It's looking more and more like his!




BTW: The fiero's are now covered in 6 inches of snow again. Yay.


Midnight (dbeaule@gmail.com) MSG #663, 03-08-2011 02:09 PM
      Man I want to take mine out of storage...

Nice pics Matt.


1988holleyformula MSG #664, 03-08-2011 07:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:




BTW: The fiero's are now covered in 6 inches of snow again. Yay.


Matt, not trying to knock you but what's the reasoning behind using parts that have dents in them?
Will they look better once sandblasted/coated?
Cheaper, availability, or something I'm missing?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #665, 03-08-2011 11:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


Matt, not trying to knock you but what's the reasoning behind using parts that have dents in them?
Will they look better once sandblasted/coated?
Cheaper, availability, or something I'm missing?


I thought I stated this earlier, but I did not Actually make that intake. I bought it already built for a decent price, and I have re-engineered the throttle linkage, nothing else. Those dents had nothing to do with me.


1988holleyformula MSG #666, 03-08-2011 11:32 PM
      I must have missed that. No problems though, I'm more of a function over looks kind of person anyways...

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #667, 03-09-2011 01:59 PM
      Scratch that, this project is still going on! I decided against selling it.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #668, 03-16-2011 07:32 PM
      Today was the first nice weather day so after class, I put some coolant in (didn't take that much) and started it up. It does have a check engine light, which is code 43, knock sensor, because its not connected. The sensor wasn't right or something, either way have it connected mades no difference, short someplace most likely. I want to get that turned off in the PROM BIN, so that's that. But I started it up, and once it warmed up, it ran pretty good considering the exhaust leak. And guess what? Not more then 1 drop of coolant out of it, for 10-15 minutes of revving it moving it, letting it sit and idle, nothing! I even took a video, with my new phone (best video ever so far, love this phone).


Also shows my tail-lights.

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Midnight (dbeaule@gmail.com) MSG #669, 03-16-2011 08:34 PM
      So what changed your mind?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #670, 03-16-2011 08:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Midnight:

So what changed your mind?


The idea of getting an 88GT swayed me the first time, because it was rust-free and blah blah. I put to much into my car to give it away, if I do sell it, it will be for a highly modded Fiero in a trade.

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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #671, 03-16-2011 11:46 PM
     
I wanna cruise alongside this car.


Midnight (dbeaule@gmail.com) MSG #672, 03-17-2011 06:33 AM
      Im glad you decided to keep it Matt.

You guys should cruise up to Brunswick in the summer for the car show we have here every Saturday. I was the only one representing "our" car. =)

It was weird. I parked next to $100,000 + Mustangs and Corverttes and it seemed more people were looking at my little Fiero more than everything else. I think a lot of the younger generation forabout it.




mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #673, 03-17-2011 10:37 PM
      Was a beautiful day here, I removed my spoiler and test fitted my "Whale Tail" today. What do you guys think?



Pretty sure I would paint it Gold, but what about black?

I also drove it on the street for the first time this year, Needs some help for sure, but it runs and drives. Not very well, but it does!
PS- Love those tail-lights!

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Tstang429 (tstang429@gmail.com) MSG #674, 03-18-2011 08:36 AM
      not sure I like that tail. Im a fan of stock spoilers.

1988holleyformula MSG #675, 03-20-2011 12:45 AM
      If you go with the black spoiler, then you gotta paint the A-pillars black, to go with the black ground ground effects.

VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #676, 03-21-2011 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Scratch that, this project is still going on! I decided against selling it.



Good plan Matt !!!

Glad to hear it, I am anxious to see you finnish it, and see it in Frazee this year.


VikingRedBaron (vikingredbaron@juno.com) MSG #677, 03-21-2011 10:09 PM
      Not a fan of most non stock spoilers here, BUT I like that one.

Need to be Black or Gold.................


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #678, 03-31-2011 09:58 PM
      Well everyone, time for an update. Today I got my chip back from Ryan and WOW, it runs soooo good considering the nasty exhaust leak it has. It runs so much better then it did, i can't even describe it. Considering how the old tune was for an automatic and was setting code 43 because of the messed up knock sensor/wiring, this is amazing in terms of drive-ability. Just in time too, our truck I was using for a daily driver blew a brake line today, so this is my only source of transportation at this time.

It was dark, but I did get a small video, It shows all the lighting upgrades I did.

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #679, 04-03-2011 07:07 PM
      Saturday I washed my Fiero for the first time in most likely 2 years. Wow it was dirty. It's really fun driving it, but theres always more bad then good with this thing. It still has a nasty coolant leak, an oil leak, and a nasty exhaust leak. I'm going to drop the cradle again in the near future to fix all those things plus put on my DTBI, 1.6 rockers, and fix a few other things that need attention.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #680, 04-05-2011 09:30 PM
      I took a quick picture of my Fiero today. I tried to get a video driving it by myself but that did not work lol, so i try it again later with someone holding it.

Noticed my rear wheels have way to much camber, they are tilted in waaaay too much, so I'll have to fix that.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #681, 04-10-2011 11:15 PM
      Well folks, I think this thread is coming to a close. It's been a great learning experience for me, it truly has. Started when I was 17 with my first cradle drop and all, to where I am at today. But honestly in my view, its still just a 3.4 V6. Which leaks three different things. Since we found out our 88 coupe was a parts car, we all have been un-sure what to do. But at the end, if all goes well, I will be putting the 4.9/Auto in my car. It's almost ready to go onto my cradle. I did try to sell my car earlier, I admit it openly. I was frustrated with it. It was foolish of me. This time, it's not my car, its the engine. I was more frustrated with the engine/trans then anything else, anyone who reads this thread would know what I went through, and all the mistakes I had made. Go ahead, accuse me of changing my mind too much, I do it too often for even my liking. And it has to stop, and this is where I'm stopping at. Always was a V8 muscle car guy, so this is as close as I can get right now. I picked going with the auto because no stock fiero manual transmission is geared correctly for the low-end torque of the 4.9, only tranny is the Isuzu, and I will not ever use one of those. I'll break it in a second. And I don't want to deal with the flywheel/clutch issues either. So Automatic it is, and good MPG for a V8 goes along with that.

The only reason the 3.4 took so long was the cost of rebuilding the motor was done in payments, and when i broke the transmission case the first time.

I will always be working on my Fiero, just in different areas now.

Understand its difficult to make 4.9's look "clean", even more so with my tiny budget. I focused on this the first time, and guess what. It's filthy again anyway. Lol.

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olejoedad (welch.joe.714@gmail.com) MSG #682, 04-11-2011 10:49 AM
      The 4.9 has a lot of hoses and lines, but it can be made to look very clean and well organized.

Send me an email and I will reply with pictues of my install in the Formula.

Joe


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #683, 04-16-2011 12:10 AM
      Ok everyone, I would like to thank all that have supported me in this thread and outside this thread during the first major automotive experience of my life, it was a great learning experience for me, and it created memories I will never forget (trust me), but this thread has come to a close. I pulled the 3.4 today, and pulled it off the cradle. It's now for sale. I started my 4.9/4t60e swap thread, which I hope to have going very soon. Here is the link
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/085278.html
Again, Thank you all.
-Matt


La fiera MSG #684, 04-16-2011 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:
. I picked going with the auto because no stock fiero manual transmission is geared correctly for the low-end torque of the 4.9,


You know you can change the gearing by altering the tire diameter right? Anyways, good luck to you and you have a PM!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #685, 04-16-2011 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by La fiera:


You know you can change the gearing by altering the tire diameter right? Anyways, good luck to you and you have a PM!


Sure, and that won't be nearly enough to offset a 3.65 final when the best in the 4.9's case for both performance and economy is 3.06-3.33.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #686, 04-22-2011 03:32 PM
      I'm so happy I rid of this 3.4, I did a piss poor job on it. I found at least 6 bolts so far missing or loose. The coolant leak most likely was the fact that a wireloom mounting clip was wedged in between the water pump and timing cover. Its bad, and don't even get me started with the wiring harness.

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #687, 01-01-2012 08:36 PM
      I am bumping this thread for people who may have missed it, to show what I have been though, and my experience with the 3.4. Not a good one. Partly my learning curve, yes, but still.

It proves you can start with a beautiful engine and transmission, but that doesn't mean they will actually work like they should, and in my case, they never did.

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Jason88Notchie (jasonshaffstall@gmail.com) MSG #688, 04-25-2014 01:01 PM
      Really good thread. You still around Matt?