Another Katatak Fiero Adventure!
Topic started by: katatak, Date: 10-18-2009 03:09 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000108.html


katatak MSG #1, 10-18-2009 03:09 PM
      It was a great adventure. Spent the last 2 days driving - 800 plus miles round trip. Met some great people (Bruce and Stacy) and got to visit an old friend and pic up some much needed Fiero parts. As most my Fiero adventures go, I did not come home empty handed. I added another Fiero to the stable. I have no idea where I am going to park everything now but I'll figure it out.

Intorducing my newest Fiero project:

The 2M4+4 Twin Duke!


It's an 86 Coupe with a 350/4spd.

We stopped off and spent some time visiting with Carver1. We met him at a Wal Mart parking lot and what do you think we found sitting in the parking lot when we pulled in?


And here it is at it's new home:




I have run out of room!

Stay tuned for another rehab thread.

Pat


ss85fiero (ss85fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #2, 10-18-2009 03:19 PM
      Congratulations on the find. I bet the nieghbors are not real thrilled about all the cars in your driveway. I know mine wouldn't be.



Mike Gonzalez (mgonz34773@aol.com) MSG #3, 10-18-2009 04:11 PM
      LOL, we all knew you wouldnt stay Fieroless for long !! Congrats ! Looks like your ready to move out on acerage out in the country !

katatak MSG #4, 10-18-2009 04:20 PM
      Hey Mike,

Yep, the neighbors will not be happy. I'll be looking for some "storage" space next week. I was at Carver1's place last night. He has the perfect place - lots of flat ground and the neighbors are far away. I have a pretty large backyard so it looks like I'll have to start planning that new "shop" for the back corner of the yard. Damn Fiero's anyway!


Tony Kania MSG #5, 10-18-2009 04:53 PM
      That has "sleeper" written all over it. Nice find on the V8 conversion. When you said "twin Duke", I was trying to figure out in my head that setup. Maybe an engine in the fron and rear? Maybe a cutout trunk with some frankenstein twin engine setup? You never know with you.

Tony


katatak MSG #6, 10-18-2009 06:31 PM
      Hey Tony,

I was looking for a clever phrase other than a SBC Fiero. My 16 year old came up with the "Twin Duke" thing. Right now it runs like a single Duke. It has been sitting for awhile and it is having some fuel issues. I also hear a noise that I do not like at around 1500 rpm's. It was loud when it was cold! After I messed with the timing and it was good and worm, it is barely noticiable but it's still there! I might have to yank it out and take a look at the bottom end.........CRAP! When I first picked it up and loaded it on the trailer, I did not notice it. I would have bought it anyway but still....Hope it aint a rod bearing! Here we go!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #7, 10-18-2009 06:42 PM
      Pat....I've got an idea. Hear me out.

We both sell our houses. We pick up 50 contiguous acres each out in the county. We build a 5000 square foot garage that straddles the property line with an entrance on each side. We split the utility bills on it. We equip it with pits, a couple of lifts, hoists, you name it. And we leave room to build on to it in each direction for ... uhmmm....future acquisitions.

Whaddya think??

See you when I get back into town.


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #8, 10-18-2009 07:27 PM
      I suggest you call it mucho ocho

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I was looking for a clever phrase other than a SBC Fiero. My 16 year old came up with the "Twin Duke" thing. Right now it runs like a single Duke. It has been sitting for awhile and it is having some fuel issues. I also hear a noise that I do not like at around 1500 rpm's. It was loud when it was cold! After I messed with the timing and it was good and worm, it is barely noticiable but it's still there! I might have to yank it out and take a look at the bottom end.........CRAP! When I first picked it up and loaded it on the trailer, I did not notice it. I would have bought it anyway but still....Hope it aint a rod bearing! Here we go!

Pat




86gtzone (colshetat3@yahoo.com) MSG #9, 10-18-2009 07:29 PM
      Once I saw you were interested, it would be a matter of time. Nice catch on that true sleeper. You said you had seen Phillip, where has he been and how is the short bus? I was wondering where you find the time for all of those when just one kicks my butt.

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #10, 10-18-2009 08:53 PM
      Good find Pat! I think you did better!

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I Like It! Fierocarparts scores again..........

Pat




katatak MSG #11, 10-18-2009 09:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

I suggest you call it mucho ocho



That's got a Southwest ring to it...........lol


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #12, 10-18-2009 09:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86gtzone:

Once I saw you were interested, it would be a matter of time. Nice catch on that true sleeper. You said you had seen Phillip, where has he been and how is the short bus? I was wondering where you find the time for all of those when just one kicks my butt.


I'm still kicking, just not as hard.
The short bus is on the market until I find some covered shelter to work in. After I move, and have a garage, the Fieros will start piling up again.


katatak MSG #13, 10-18-2009 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86gtzone:

Once I saw you were interested, it would be a matter of time. Nice catch on that true sleeper. You said you had seen Phillip, where has he been and how is the short bus? I was wondering where you find the time for all of those when just one kicks my butt.


The part I like the most about this one is that it really is a sleeper. The exhaust is 2 into one with a huge muffler so it's pretty quiet - kinda sounds like the V6 in my Dodge truck. I like the "all stock" look.

Phil is working too much to have any Fiero fun - 6 to 7 days a week with an 80 mile RT each day. He still has the Short Bus - trying to sell it locally. I'd get it back from him if I did not just get this one. It would be a great car and I'm sure he'd make someone a great deal. That car needs nothing. Well maybe some paint but everything else is done.

I really do not have time for even one but I can't say no! I have more tore apart projects laying around here than anyone needs. Maybe I'll get busy and finish the Monte and my 47 project so I can get going on this Fiero. It never ends.


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #14, 10-18-2009 09:09 PM
      Oh yeah, Pat, you can park anything you need out here. I think I can round up a few acres for you.

katatak MSG #15, 10-18-2009 09:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Good find Pat! I think you did better!



That's funny right there...... You know this is not a competition....lol - You buy a nice one, I buy a nice one, you go buy another nicer one, etc. etc....... I'm done......I hope!


katatak MSG #16, 10-18-2009 09:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat....I've got an idea. Hear me out.

We both sell our houses. We pick up 50 contiguous acres each out in the county. We build a 5000 square foot garage that straddles the property line with an entrance on each side. We split the utility bills on it. We equip it with pits, a couple of lifts, hoists, you name it. And we leave room to build on to it in each direction for ... uhmmm....future acquisitions.

Whaddya think??

See you when I get back into town.



Dan,

Don't tempt me....Stop it right there! We could just move up to Phil's place - he's got plenty of room and I think he'd let us live in his fifth wheel - plus you got a fifth wheel. All we need is the shop. We'd have to keep all of Phil's Fiero's running though.



katatak MSG #17, 10-18-2009 09:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

I suggest you call it mucho ocho



How about "El Gato Blanco" - The White Cat?



fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #18, 10-18-2009 09:18 PM
      Famous last words! "Oh that is the last one, I swear!"
I'm changing directions AGAIN! Well more like postponing the chop-top.
Had to add this name:
Gato ardiente

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


That's funny right there...... You know this is not a competition....lol - You buy a nice one, I buy a nice one, you go buy another nicer one, etc. etc....... I'm done......I hope!

[This message has been edited by fierocarparts (edited 10-18-2009).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #19, 10-19-2009 12:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
Dan,

Don't tempt me....Stop it right there! We could just move up to Phil's place - he's got plenty of room and I think he'd let us live in his fifth wheel - plus you got a fifth wheel. All we need is the shop. We'd have to keep all of Phil's Fiero's running though.


There you go. All we need are RV hookups! We can trade rent for wrenching. Phil....you listening?


ghost187x MSG #20, 10-19-2009 12:46 AM
      what do you do for a living? lol.

nice job on the find! it be nice to hang out with yall when i drive my fiero from california to fort hood, taking the 10 freeway most of the way


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #21, 10-19-2009 01:19 AM
      Ft Hood.....1st Cavalry, right? Stop by on your way and you can see all of our junk....errr...I mean toys

BlackThunderGT MSG #22, 10-19-2009 03:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I have no idea where I am going to park everything now but I'll figure it out.


Hey Pat

Great buy I just picked up an 88 GT last weekend and I am now trying to figure out the parking at my house too.

Paul





Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #23, 10-19-2009 03:53 AM
      Nice find, Pat! If I'm not mistaken, you're out of kids to give it to, so this one must be for dad! Can't wait to see the build thread. And oh, BTW, I figured out a solution to your parking problem. Durango + cliff = no more parking problem.



katatak MSG #24, 10-19-2009 01:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ghost187x:

what do you do for a living? lol.

nice job on the find! it be nice to hang out with yall when i drive my fiero from california to fort hood, taking the 10 freeway most of the way


Let us know when you are coming through. You are more than welcome to stop by and see "Dan's" junk and my toys....J/K Dan.... Dan's junk is nicer than my junk. Stay safe!

Pat



katatak MSG #25, 10-19-2009 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:


Hey Pat

Great buy I just picked up an 88 GT last weekend and I am now trying to figure out the parking at my house too.

Paul




I read your post where you had to miss the Rukus cause you were getting a Fiero. Same reason why I did not go - had to save my funds for the new toy. I'll get rid of these 2 Dodge's I have and you can bring that Black Roadster thing over here - I'll get it out of your way. You probably never drive it anyway........


katatak MSG #26, 10-19-2009 01:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Nice find, Pat! If I'm not mistaken, you're out of kids to give it to, so this one must be for dad! Can't wait to see the build thread. And oh, BTW, I figured out a solution to your parking problem. Durango + cliff = no more parking problem.



Thanks Hulki - you are correct - this one is mine! I'd like to drive that Durango off a cliff!


BlackThunderGT MSG #27, 10-19-2009 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I read your post where you had to miss the Rukus cause you were getting a Fiero. Same reason why I did not go - had to save my funds for the new toy. I'll get rid of these 2 Dodge's I have and you can bring that Black Roadster thing over here - I'll get it out of your way. You probably never drive it anyway........


Your right Pat...that Saturn Sky turbo is my wife's...I only get to drive it when it needs gas, oil change or washed...

I gave my Black GT to my daughter...she is pretty excited as she should be, my parents never gave me a car

I had my eye on that car you got but it was way more of a project than I wanted to take on, can't wait to see the build


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #28, 10-19-2009 02:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Let us know when you are coming through. You are more than welcome to stop by and see "Dan's" junk and my toys....J/K Dan.... Dan's junk is nicer than my junk. Stay safe!

Pat


You had it right the first time I have to bring a bib every time I see the red Formula lest I drool all over myself. You are getting a bit tight on space. Where you keepin' the bike? Speakin' of which, we need to get another ride or two in before the weather gets too much colder (like that would stop us).


katatak MSG #29, 10-19-2009 07:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


You had it right the first time I have to bring a bib every time I see the red Formula lest I drool all over myself. You are getting a bit tight on space. Where you keepin' the bike? Speakin' of which, we need to get another ride or two in before the weather gets too much colder (like that would stop us).


I have to sleep with the bike! I'm ready to go if you would quit going away on vacation.....lol. Got some bids coming on a new shop to be built in the back yard.......heehee...... A new Fiero and now a new shop..... Man I must be doin somethin right.


katatak MSG #30, 10-19-2009 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:


Your right Pat...that Saturn Sky turbo is my wife's...I only get to drive it when it needs gas, oil change or washed...

I gave my Black GT to my daughter...she is pretty excited as she should be, my parents never gave me a car

I had my eye on that car you got but it was way more of a project than I wanted to take on, can't wait to see the build


Kids got it so easy these days...... My oldest son came home from school today and was "beating" around the bush about the new Fiero. "Dad" can I start working nt the interior?" "Dad, can I show my buddy what it sounds like?" "Dad, can I drive it around the block?" "Dad, I'll help you get it ready to go?", etc. etc. .... Then we get into a discussion about swapping in a 4.9 or a 3800 in the Formula. I tell him to be patient, save his money, gather the parts up before he starts tearing it apart, etc. etc. Thinking that he was just trying to get me to commit to helping him out and I had the feeling he wants to do this like tomorrow.....lol. I strung him along. Told him he was about #65in line after the Monte, XTC, 47 Chevy, V8 Fiero.

About an hour ago, he calls me to inform me that he found a low mileage 3800 SC series 2 with trans for 600.00. Being the smart guy that I am, I say go get it! He says, "can I borrow your truck?" I guess he has been working a lot more hours than I thought - says he has the money - crap! Damn Fiero's!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-16-2009).]

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #31, 10-19-2009 08:23 PM
      If he wont go with ya I will!!!!

katatak MSG #32, 10-19-2009 11:54 PM
      Well I got to tinkering with the car this evening. I drained the oil - or should I say gas out of the pan and changed the filter. I put a quart of Lucas Heavy Duty Oil additive and Valvoline 20-50 VR1 Racing oil (cause I have about 12 quarts of it from the old drag race days).

I put 5 gallons of gas in it cause it ran out on me yesterday while I was messing with it. If you remember I put a fuel regulator on it yesterday too. Well after I put gas in it tonight, I tunred the key on to prime the carb and there was no fuel filling the filter. WTF? I could hear the pump running. So I took the fuel line off at the carb - no fuel! I took the filter off the regulator - no fuel! Took the regulator off the line to the tank - plenty of fuel! Freakin brand new regulator is junk! You can't buy a decent part anywhere anymore. I took the regulator apart - cheesy piece of junk inside. I could not even blow through the damn thing. I messed with it a little and was able to blow air through it but not much. If I pushed down on the knob, I could get a little more through it so I hooked it all back up to at least get the car started and the Oil pressure up. I had to hold the knob on the regulator down to get enough fuel to flow. Without holding the knob, it would idle for a minute then run out of gas. So I will be taking it back to the parts store and cramming it er uh I mean return it for a refund. I'll order a quality one from Summit or Jegs tomorrow. The good news is that with the new oil, the noise I was hearing is gone. It runs real smooth and revs quick - or at least till it runs out of fuel cause I can't get enough gas through the regulator.

While I was crawling around under it changing the oil, I looked her over real good. I have a few wiring issues to attend to - just routing and tie downs, etc. The underneath side is very clean - no rust at all. I did find that the rubber hose that connects the fuel fill tube to the tank has a hole in it. I'll have to get one of those somewhere.

It has what looks like brand new A Arms and brand new axles. The bushins, ball joints and tierods look new and it has what I think is an after market rear sway bar (I should have taken some pics). It has new KYB struts too. E Brake works and all the cables look new.

The motor is setup with an AC compressor with belt and all, The lines are plugged as there are no lines running to the front. It has an aftermarket AC unit up front? Never seen one like it - I'll get some pics tomorrow. Looks like it has all new suspension parts up front too.

The exhaust is new but I don't like it. It is a two into one through a 30" glass pack and out to a twin resonator - sounds funny to me. Where the trunk side pipe comes down, it is welded at a 90* into the pipe from the firewall side - I think it goofs up the flow this way. I will definitely be changing the exhaust. I have to do some checking on headers? Like some shorty's with a center dump or something like that.

It has the belt drive upside down water pump setup where the pulleys and belt are sticking into the fenderwell. I might have to look into changing it to an electric setup? The belt is a "cog" style belt so there is no slip but it looks a little loose to me. It will need to be addressed for sure.

The interior trim pieces have been painted a sliver blue color and the carpet is blue along with the carpet on the lower door panels. The consloe has been painted the same color. I will be changin it all back to grey or black. The seats are in perfect shape. The head liner is hanging but my old buddy Carver1 gave me a near perfect one that is a little faded. All the factory gauges work and the tach seems to be working too - I did not think a four banger tach would work on a V8. I will be adding after market gauges and a tach though.

I think that the 4 speed is the econ 4:10 model - 1st gear seems pretty low to me? I'll have to get some numbers off of it. So far, I am pretty pleased. Just got to make it "mine" now. More to come!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #33, 10-20-2009 12:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
And late last night my Brother in Idaho calls me up to tell me he found a nice low mileage Indy for cheap!


Uh oh....I know where this is going.

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Frizlefrak - Dan, you reading this?


Yes


 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Feel like running to Idaho?



I've done more impulsive things. I still have 10 more days of vacation to burn up before 31Dec09.

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I'll have more detail this evening. Damn Fiero's!


Lemme know if it's drivable. If not, any idea how to get it back to El Chuco?



katatak MSG #34, 10-20-2009 01:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Lemme know if it's drivable. If not, any idea how to get it back to El Chuco?

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-16-2009).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #35, 10-20-2009 01:40 AM
      OK Pat, you've got my attention. What city in Idaho? If it checks out for being rust free, I'm definitely interested. Anything else I can fix. Could always just put it on DAS and have it shipped out here, or I could pay your brother if he feels like trekking out to the great Southwest.

Thanks for throwing in dibs on the car for me Pat.....I owe ya one...


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #36, 10-20-2009 06:55 AM
      Well Pat and Dan, don't the gods just smile upon you two guys all the time, or what? Wanna' share some of that luck???

ICouldaBeenAV8 (donotbotherspamming@gmail.com) MSG #37, 10-20-2009 02:40 PM
      WOW! It looks like your driveway covers your front yard. I like it. No more sprinklers or lawn mowing and smaller carbon footprint. Now if I can just sell the concept to my wife.

[This message has been edited by ICouldaBeenAV8 (edited 10-20-2009).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #38, 10-20-2009 03:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Well Pat and Dan, don't the gods just smile upon you two guys all the time, or what? Wanna' share some of that luck???


Well, the Fiero Gods have shone upon us....but the rest of my luck sucks. If there is one defective (insert product name here) in a million, I will pick it. One mound of dog doo in the yard, my right tennis shoe will locate and adhere to it. The karma wheel always spins around

But seriously, until we find out what were dealing with on this Indy, it's a long way from done. It could be rusted or have a bad/missing title, both of which are dealbreakers for me. Or the estate could want $20K for the car.....I've dealt with a few estates and it can go either way. But as long as the title is good, the frame is clean and straight and the price is in line, anything else can be made to work. And since I know OhioIndy will spot this, I will keep the original duke....I won't cut this one up.

But in any event, Pat's a great guy for a million reasons, and this shows why.



Rick 88 MSG #39, 10-20-2009 04:01 PM
      Pat I thought I had a car/driveway issue, but you have now beaten me out! Now I can tell wifey I am not the worst at bringing home vehicles. Luckily you have plenty of room for a shop in back. I have been so busy, I have not had time to visit Pennocks recently. What ever you do the V8, leave it stock looking. The suprise factor will be unreal

katatak MSG #40, 10-20-2009 07:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ICouldaBeenAV8:

WOW! It looks like your driveway covers your front yard. I like it. No more sprinklers or lawn mowing and smaller carbon footprint. Now if I can just sell the concept to my wife.



I am all about concrete-especially here is El Paso - you can't get anything to grow anyway and if you do, they want to raise your property taxes for using too much water. Truth be known, I probably use more water wasing down all that concrete than I would if it was grass - J/K - the wind keeps all the sand blown off.....lol


katatak MSG #41, 10-20-2009 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

OK Pat, you've got my attention. What city in Idaho? If it checks out for being rust free, I'm definitely interested. Anything else I can fix. Could always just put it on DAS and have it shipped out here, or I could pay your brother if he feels like trekking out to the great Southwest.

Thanks for throwing in dibs on the car for me Pat.....I owe ya one...


No news on the Indy as of 6:00.

Oh Yeah - Page 2 ownage!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-20-2009).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #42, 10-20-2009 08:09 PM
      No hurry....I'm 400 miles from home anyway. I've been wanting an Indy for 25 years now....what's a few more days, weeks, or months?

katatak MSG #43, 10-22-2009 12:09 AM
      Worked the Fuel System over today. I bought a el cheapo fuel regulator the other day and it failed. I went to the speed shop today and picked up a Holley unit. Installed it on the left inner fender well, rerouted the fuel line and installed a pressure gauge (that failed too). Thats what I get fir buying cheap parts - I'll have to go get a quality one tomorrow. While I was under the car, I replaced the large hose that goes from the fill pipe to the tank and the smaller one for the vent. Got everything back together and fired it up. At first I was able to get the pressure on the cheapo gauge to read 6 psi at idle. U had a leak at the regulator so I shut her down to fix the leak. FFired it back up and the pressure gauge went to 15 and stayed there. I pulled the air cleaner off to see if I was pushing fuel through the carb - too much pressure? But it was not. I let it run for awhile to see what it would do - seems to be working but I think the gauge is fubar now.

Replacing that large fill hose was a PITA. Tore the crap out of the back of my hands. Made up some new cuss words but I won! I got to tell you, it just don't get any better than this. I mean here I am, working on my new V8 Fiero. Fixing up all the little issues. When I needed a part, I jumped on my motorcycle and went down to the corner AZ, come back, work on the car some more. Its about 70 degrees out at 9:00, the V8 Fiero is sitting in the driveway idling. A cold beer and a shot and I'm good!

Here's my new regulator:

Mounted:

Finished up:

The El Cheapo Gauge:

Out with the old - in with the new:

See the hole?

Plus the two hoses were "welded" together:

Here's the cheesy exhaust setup:


More to come!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-22-2009).]

BlackThunderGT MSG #44, 10-22-2009 12:24 AM
      Oh ya...this is going to be good thread keep it coming Pat

N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #45, 10-22-2009 12:25 AM
      <-- jealous.



Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #46, 10-22-2009 01:37 AM
      Soo...will it be ready for me to take it for a spin when I get back?

maryjane MSG #47, 10-22-2009 06:22 AM
      PM sent to you western folks.

86gtzone--did you used to work at Midas in San Angelo?


86gtzone (colshetat3@yahoo.com) MSG #48, 10-22-2009 10:47 AM
      Never worked there.Worked at the base for 13 years and now AutoZone. Will get back with you on the RRR, might be moving closer to Dallas. Will not know for a couple of weeks.

Rick 88 MSG #49, 10-22-2009 10:55 AM
      Looking good Pat! I know you can do better on the exhaust. Just keep it stock looking out the back for the suprise factor.

katatak MSG #50, 10-22-2009 08:04 PM
      I messed with the rad fan today. The one in the car was not working - most likely not hooked up with temp sensor switch. It is the 4 banger non AC fan and I have a GT AC fan with shroud so I decided to swap them out. I have a lot of work to do on the interior but my plan is to setup the fan with a toggle switch. The car has an aftermarket AC setup - never seen one on a Fiero. It must be a specific fit for the Fiero as it matches the firewall. All it lacking is the lines from the comp. to the front. I may play with this one and see if I can get it to work.

The Old fan:

The 2 "Old" Fans side by side:

New - Old on installed:

The aftermarket AC system:



Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-22-2009).]

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #51, 10-23-2009 08:59 AM
      Yep that is an old ARA aftermarket A/C unit. It was built in Grand Prairie, TX right off 360.



katatak MSG #52, 10-23-2009 04:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Yep that is an old ARA aftermarket A/C unit. It was built in Grand Prairie, TX right off 360.



Yep - the little tag says "Grand Prarie". I am on a "quest" to make it work!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-23-2009).]

Rick 88 MSG #53, 10-23-2009 09:01 PM
      Pat, do you want to take a look at the new Getrag 5-speed I have, for your V8? Odds are I will never have a use for it.

katatak MSG #54, 10-24-2009 01:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, do you want to take a look at the new Getrag 5-speed I have, for your V8? Odds are I will never have a use for it.


Yes Rick, I am interested in the 5 speed you have. I took the car for a drive today and the 4 spd is geared to low to fully appreciate the V8. Although it is quite a little rocket from light to light.....snicker snicker......I promise I never went over the speed limit......at least more than once. II'll give you a call tomorrow.

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #55, 10-24-2009 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Yes Rick, I am interested in the 5 speed you have. I took the car for a drive today and the 4 spd is geared to low to fully appreciate the V8. Although it is quite a little rocket from light to light.....snicker snicker......I promise I never went over the speed limit......at least more than once. II'll give you a call tomorrow.

Pat


Pat,

We are going to running around catching up on errands tomorrow. Give me a call and let me know what you schedule is so we can get together. I also want to go for a ride!!!!!!


katatak MSG #56, 10-24-2009 07:42 PM
      Hey Rick,

I'll call you tomorrow. We have some running to do too.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #57, 10-24-2009 08:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Hey Rick,

I'll call you tomorrow. We have some running to do too.

Pat


Hey, I just saw a 6-speed gearbox in the "mall" section of Pennocks. Check it out....that would be even stronger with more overdrive!


katatak MSG #58, 10-30-2009 05:33 PM
      After I shoveled the snow off then chipped away all the ice off the car, I decided to tear into the interior. At first I was just going to put it all together and then focus on the exterior but after sitting in it for about 2 hours today, I could not take it. I had to rip it all out and start fresh. I guess the first major project will be an interior rehab. I maybe entertaining the idea of a custom dash, center console setup. I'll have to read a bunch of "dash" threads. Here's some progress pics:

Cleaning it out:


Some before shots:


I do not think that these are 86 Coupe Seats - They are pretty clean!


As is condition:


Tearing it apart: Some creative wiring!

Bonus: Got a new pet mouse in the deal - too bad he was dead! Had another one under the drivers seat.

Pretty clean under the carpet!


All the trim peices have been painted a slivery-blue color. I'll have to find a quality "plastic" paint and clean them up. I think the carpet is factory that was painted? Not sure that it can be done but it looks like it. I'll just get some new carpet for it. The headliner was sagging in several places plus it's worn thin in the front near the windshield. The board is in good shape so I think I can recover it. I do not think that the dash is the original Coupe dash. It's an all black AC dash and there is a hole in it for the wiring harnes for the aux gauges. It's in fair shape - has a small crack near the defrost vent and the typical AC vent "knee" strikes. I have a perfect 2 tone brown dash out of a low mileage 85. I'll either fix and paint the one that was in it, paint the 85 dash and use it or go with something completely different? The nice thing about this car is that it is a blank canvas just waiting for whatever mods I can throw at it. It also had a complete set of factory speakers that are not dry rotted, ripped or torn. More to come.

Pat


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #59, 10-30-2009 06:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat....I've got an idea. Hear me out.

We both sell our houses. We pick up 50 contiguous acres each out in the county. We build a 5000 square foot garage that straddles the property line with an entrance on each side. We split the utility bills on it. We equip it with pits, a couple of lifts, hoists, you name it. And we leave room to build on to it in each direction for ... uhmmm....future acquisitions.

Whaddya think??

See you when I get back into town.


Hmmm, you guys are going to run out of stuff to do out there at some point. So why don't I move out there on a small corner of the 50. I'll break down constantly, and since I am as good as a monkey when it comes to mechanic repair I would keep you guys busy.

Brad



katatak MSG #60, 10-30-2009 09:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by twofatguys:


Hmmm, you guys are going to run out of stuff to do out there at some point. So why don't I move out there on a small corner of the 50. I'll break down constantly, and since I am as good as a monkey when it comes to mechanic repair I would keep you guys busy.

Brad


Come on out Brad. We could use some more projects to work on. I got so many going myself I can't keep track of them. Caught myself trying to bolt a Fiero A Arm to the front of my Monte Carlo the other day and set a pair of Fiero buckets in the cab of my 47 Chvey. Looks like I am trying to turn everything into a Fiero..... Man I need help! I'm Fiero sick!


Rick 88 MSG #61, 10-30-2009 10:18 PM
      Pat, we are due for a "Fiero's Anonymous" meeting in November. Those of us with just one Fiero are starting to slip again . Must resist the urge....Almost bought another one for wifey before the Vette Gods intervened.

katatak MSG #62, 10-30-2009 10:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, we are due for a "Fiero's Anonymous" meeting in November. Those of us with just one Fiero are starting to slip again . Must resist the urge....Almost bought another one for wifey before the Vette Gods intervened.


"You are getting very sleepy" ....... Come on Rick - I know you need another project. Dan has 2 and I am working on getting him a 3rd. You need to catch up.

I am planning on making big progress on the Monte tomorrow and Sunday. If you are out and about, stop by.


Rick 88 MSG #63, 10-30-2009 11:08 PM
      Working tomorrow, got a nibble on the 2010 ZR1....probably will end up delivering a Z06. End of month you know. Maybe if I had your hours instead of mine. Do you need a lacky?

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #64, 10-31-2009 01:40 AM
      Hey Pat and Rick...

Can you guys take a break from the action for lunch on Saturday? I'll give you a call in the AM. I still need to come by the dealership and drive a new Camaro.

Pat, I ordered the same Pyle speakers as you did for my white GT. Was going to order the powered sub as well, but my house HVAC took a crap to the tune of $278....so much for car budget for the month. Anyhow, got the 4X10's in...big improvement. Gonna wait to do the rear ones and the sub at the same time. Also finally serviced the chain on my bike. My last bike was shaft drive...and my next one will be too LOL. You up for another Mesilla ride soon? Brandon is....we put new pipes on his Vulcan last week and he's like a kid in a candy store.

I've gotta do payroll in the AM, but should be done fairly early. I think I do more work on my days off than when I work LOL


Rick 88 MSG #65, 10-31-2009 01:16 PM
      I will be a the store till around 5. Got to pick up wifey at the airport. Hey, I want to see the speakers you guys purchased. My back ones are starting to get tired.

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 10-31-2009).]

katatak MSG #66, 10-31-2009 03:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Hey Pat and Rick...

Can you guys take a break from the action for lunch on Saturday? I'll give you a call in the AM. I still need to come by the dealership and drive a new Camaro.

Pat, I ordered the same Pyle speakers as you did for my white GT. Was going to order the powered sub as well, but my house HVAC took a crap to the tune of $278....so much for car budget for the month. Anyhow, got the 4X10's in...big improvement. Gonna wait to do the rear ones and the sub at the same time. Also finally serviced the chain on my bike. My last bike was shaft drive...and my next one will be too LOL. You up for another Mesilla ride soon? Brandon is....we put new pipes on his Vulcan last week and he's like a kid in a candy store.

I've gotta do payroll in the AM, but should be done fairly early. I think I do more work on my days off than when I work LOL


Just missed ya Dan....... I was running around this morning early and did not have my cell. Went to a HS football game @ 11 - got out of there at 1:30. -- Heehee - I did ride my bike over there (Franklin on the West side). I'll be working on the Monte and the Fiero the rest of the day.

Those speakers work great.... I just ordered another set for the V8 car.

Rick, I'll be by to pick up thet ZR1 around 3:00......I wish. Will you take 3 Fiero's, a 70 Monte and a 47 Chevy straight across?.....


Rick 88 MSG #67, 10-31-2009 06:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Just missed ya Dan....... I was running around this morning early and did not have my cell. Went to a HS football game @ 11 - got out of there at 1:30. -- Heehee - I did ride my bike over there (Franklin on the West side). I'll be working on the Monte and the Fiero the rest of the day.

Those speakers work great.... I just ordered another set for the V8 car.

Rick, I'll be by to pick up thet ZR1 around 3:00......I wish. Will you take 3 Fiero's, a 70 Monte and a 47 Chevy straight across?.....


That might just cover the tt&l. The rest we can take care of on our "easy finance plan"........ What speakers did you guys get?????

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 10-31-2009).]

katatak MSG #68, 10-31-2009 06:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


That might just cover the tt&l. The rest we can take care of on our "easy finance plan"........ What speakers did you guys get?????



The only easy payment plan I can afford is the 10.00 a week one. I don't think that will get me in the ZR1.

I got these off of Amazon.com. Not sure where Dan got his. I noticed that the speakers are available from Wal Mart on thier web site. They are fairly cheap - I think I paid 32.00 for the front pair and 28.00 for the back pair. They are rated at 300 watts for the fronts and 240 watts for the rears but I don;t think they would take that much power. I hooed them up to a 50 watt per channel JVC deck and hooked up the Boss sub/amp and it is perfect for my taste.....

Fronts

Backs

Sub/Amp

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-31-2009).]

katatak MSG #69, 10-31-2009 06:50 PM
      Did some work on the interior pieces today. I cleaned all the plastic with some degreaser then hot soapy water then hot clear water. I used a red scotch birght pad and went over them then wiped em down wiht a tack cloth. I picked up a can of Rustoleum Plastic Paint in the Black Textured flavor. So far so good. I am not sure how it will "wear" but I think it looks good. At least better than the silver-blue.

Ready for paint

After

I put 3 coats on them - letting them dry for an hour then lightly scuffed between coats


The speaker cover cloth on the B pillar trim was pretty skunky. I wanted to take the grills off so I used my dremel on the back side and cut off the "head" of each stud. I pulled the cloth off and I think I will just paint the grills a dark gray to match the brake light cover and the interior light fixture which I am leaving the factory dark gray. I will come up with some fancy dancy way to fasten the grills back to the pillar cover.


The right side pillar cover had the fastner peg broken out so I tried my hand at filling the hole. Now before you flame me for being a bone head, keep in mind that this is my first attempt at repairing plastic trim pieces. I used some nylon screen and PC7 epoxy. This stuff is similar to JB Weld but it's all I had on the shelf. Once it hardens, I will smooth it out on the front side, measure and drill the screw hole then I will fab a "stud" to epoxy on the back side for the screw to run through.

The hole

PC7 - I use to use this stuff to repair broken chain cases on snowmobiles. It is great stuff and can be machined and threaded.

Just waiting for it to set


More later

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-31-2009).]

Rick 88 MSG #70, 10-31-2009 06:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


The only easy payment plan I can afford is the 10.00 a week one. I don't think that will get me in the ZR1.

I got these off of Amazon.com. Not sure where Dan got his. I noticed that the speakers are available from Wal Mart on thier web site. They are fairly cheap - I think I paid 32.00 for the front pair and 28.00 for the back pair. They are rated at 300 watts for the fronts and 240 watts for the rears but I don;t think they would take that much power. I hooed them up to a 50 watt per channel JVC deck and hooked up the Boss sub/amp and it is perfect for my taste.....

Fronts

Backs

Sub/Amp




Do the rear ones fit easily behind the grill without cutting? The sub is interesting. How hard is it to hook up to a stock head unit? I might put one in wifey latest toy.

Nice work on the trim panels! Why would someone paint them silver blue????

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 10-31-2009).]

katatak MSG #71, 10-31-2009 07:11 PM
      Hey Rick,

The rear ones fit a little tight but they do fit with out any cutting of denting - just some wiggling and a few choice words. The Sub was easy with the new JVC we put in - just plug and play. Not sure about hooking it up to a stock unit. I am sure we can make it work though. I was pretty impressed with the sub. They make one in a 10" 1200 watt too - the case is a little thicker - like 3/4". For the Fiero, I think the 8" 600 is just right - of course Andy thinks it needs to have two.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #72, 10-31-2009 11:01 PM
      Pat......I got the exact same speakers as you did, got them off Amazon. Sub will happen next month.

katatak MSG #73, 11-01-2009 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat......I got the exact same speakers as you did, got them off Amazon. Sub will happen next month.


Very nice...... How's the sound? You will not believe what it sounds like with the Sub - I was sceptical but it made a huge difference. I have another set coming for the V8 car. I have a Sony Xplod system in the XTC - I think we will be channging it out for the same setup.

Pat


katatak MSG #74, 11-10-2009 06:00 PM
      I got around to working on the V8 Coupe some today. I have too many projects going on but finally got some time to play with the Fiero. A week or so ago, I tried my hand at repairing one of the B Pilar trim pieces that was broke. Where the trim scew goes through the piece and fastens to the door frame was broken out with a dime size hole and there is a "stud" or spacer there to hold the trim piece in the corect location. I used some PC-7 and some nylon window screen and atched the whole. Today, I used a pen tube and cut a piece the same length as the oppostie side trim piece. I measured the whole in the good one and drilled a new hole in the repaired one. I then bolted the tube to the trim piece and used some more PC-7 to bond it into place. I am hoping it will turn out and work fine.

A shot of the "hole"

The "Magic" stuff

Hole filled

New hole drilled

New screw boss installed and letting the epoxy cure


I will be cleaning and attempting to dye the carpet tomorrow.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-10-2009).]

katatak MSG #75, 11-13-2009 12:19 AM
      Today was a Shampoo, Rinse, Shampoo and rinse again kind of day. I got the old blue carpet cleaned. It was a big job but I finally got it.

Not even close yet:

After the second run:

The carpet had been dyed - it was origianlly grey:

Looking better now:

Re Dyed and ready to go:

I have the drivers side left to dye then I need to finish painting the trim pieces. I will be trying some glass work this weekend. Going to attempt to build a custom console!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-13-2009).]

katatak MSG #76, 11-14-2009 12:55 AM
      Got the driver side done today. I used Rustoleum Fabric and Vinyl paint for the first side and tried the Dupli Color Vinyl and fabric paint for the driver side. I could not believe the difference. The Dupli Color is far superior to the Rustoleum for coverage and penetrations plus it has a much softer feel when its dry. I used the stiff brush trick on the Dupli Color too and it makes a big difference. This morning when I took the Rsutoleum side out into the sun, it had a blue tint to it. I brushed it real hard and then gave it a coat of the Dupli Color. It looks great. Some have said that the Dupli Color will start to where after awhile? I guess I'll see. This will not be a daily driver. It will most likely see limited Saturday/Sunday drives locally so I am not too woried about wear. This will be a true project car for me as I intend to build this car into the "custom" Fiero I ahve always wanted to build. One of the goals is to do it with as little cost as possible. So far so good! Right now I have about 2500.00 total in the car. Pretty cheap for a V8 Fiero of any kind.

Some progress pics from the day.

Coating the Driver side carpet:

The Passenger side prior to re coating it with Dupli Color:

Passengers side after recoating:

Driver side done:

Some of the trim pieces I had to finish:



All the pieces complete:


More to come!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-14-2009).]

katatak MSG #77, 11-14-2009 01:02 AM
      Next I will finish the dash board and the door panels. Hopefully I'll have these done by Sunday. I have to shampoo the carpe on the door panels - they are filthy and remove the driver side door panel from the car. I dismatled the "donor" dash today and removed the AC duct, the vents and the map pocket. I used the wife's hand held steam cleaner to clean the dash. The Dash is near perfect condition and has two tiny cracks at the defrost vent. No "knee" cracks of breaks. I plan on installing 6X9's from under neath prior to installing.

Pat


katatak MSG #78, 11-14-2009 01:10 AM
      Once the dash and door panels are installed, I am going to attempt to build a custom console from the gauge pod to the ECM. I do not have an ECM in the car so I can make the back of the console shallow to just cover the wiring harness. I have wide shoulders and I think this will add some comfort for me. I am planning on using dynamat on the floor boards but not sure I want to spend the money for dynamat. Maybe I'll just give the inside floor pan a good coat of bed liner material? I did that on my 47 Rat Truck and it took all the "tinny" sound out of the interior.

Pat


katatak MSG #79, 11-15-2009 01:18 AM
      Not a lot to report today. I really hate to have a whole day off and not get what I wanted to do done. My Wife had foot surgery last Wednesday so I am semi baby sitting her - no weight on the foot for 6 weeks! So everything I do, takes a lot of "extra" time. Not complaining! Also, my youngest son had a State HS football playoff game today. Kick off was Noon so the tailgating started @ 9:30 AM. Now who tailgates at 9:30 AM? Anyway, I spent the whole day there - we lost 10 to 7 against Odessa - Permian ("Friday Night Lights" fame). It was a great game. We led 7 to 3 till the last 3 minutes of the game. We played them last year in the first round and they beat us 62 to 14 so I guess we showed some improvement over last year. After the game, I had lots of "honey do" stuff so before it got dark, I could only manage to get the drivers side door panel off. Should have a lot to report tomorrow evening. I have to make up for lost time today.

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #80, 11-15-2009 02:15 AM
      Hey Pat...

Sometimes it's better to have a day away from it too.....makes it that much more fun when you get back to it. Sounds like the football game was fun.....Next year Permian goes down.


Rick 88 MSG #81, 11-15-2009 09:19 AM
      Pat,

That was a great showing against Permian! Them boys are big Bubbas. They eat a whole cow for lunch


katatak MSG #82, 11-15-2009 06:58 PM
      Rick, Dan.....

It was a really good game and our boys played thier hearts out. Our defense was unbelieveable. Just could not get it done on the offense side. Not too bad for thier 5th year in existence.

Pat


katatak MSG #83, 11-15-2009 07:20 PM
      I got a lot done today! Started with cleaning the door panels and then shampooing the carpet on the panels. One was the stock grey and the other had the blue - silver paint on the vinyl and dark blue on the carpet.



One I got em all cleaned up, I masked them off and used the Dupli Color Vinyl and Fabric paint. They turned out pretty good but I have to give the "blue" one another coat. The blue was bleeding thru.




I wiped the vinyl down with thinner. I'm glad I did because the silver - blue came off. What a mess.



Once that was cleaned up, I shot them with a few light coats then a third.



Looking pretty good.



Tada!



Next on the list was the dash.



I cheaped out and had a couple cans of the Rustoleum Vinyl & Fabric paint left so I thought I would use it on the black part of the dash. Big mistake. Even after completely cleaning the dash and wiping it down with laquer thinner, it "fish-eyed" like crazy. after wiping it down, light sanding/scuffing with a scotch brite pad and wiping down again, I went and got a can of the Dupli Color. Problem solved. I think that the Rustoleum is simply not as good as the Dupli Color.




More to come.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #84, 11-16-2009 12:38 AM
      Looking good!!!

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #85, 11-16-2009 01:13 AM
      Good time to mount the 6x9's Pat.....you can guinea pig the operation for me LOL. Seriously....the Pyle 4x10's ain't bad for what they are, but some 6x9's would be better.

Sofa King MSG #86, 11-16-2009 08:06 AM
      Hey P,

Just read through the post. I love the work you're doing on the interior. The door panels, dash, carpet, etc. look great! The grey really turned out nice. Keep up the great work and keep those pics coming.

G(SK)


katatak MSG #87, 11-16-2009 06:30 PM
      Rick, Dan, Greg........

Thanks for the words of encouragement. It's a lot more work than I was thinking it would be but it's turning out better than I thought so I guess it balance's out. I am going to put 6X9's in the dash Dan but it will be easy for me - no AC duct work to mess with. But, just for you, when I get the speakers, I'll make em fit on the AC dash I have and then when you are ready to do yours, we can just transfer the AC ducts from the "mock" up dash to yours. I will probaly "steal" the new Alpine sustem I just put in the Monte for the V8 car as I want to go to a "factory" looking setup in the Monte. Plus I'd rather have the good tunes in the Fiero.

More to come............

Pat


katatak MSG #88, 11-16-2009 06:55 PM
      So this afternoon, I decided to try a headliner recover. I have been putting this off for some time now as I have needed to do one for the XTC. So I dug in and did it. I was worried for no reason. It was fairly easy to do and only took me about 2 hours start to finish and this inculede running to AZ right in the middle cause I ran out of glue. I went to the local fabric stroe a few weeks ago looking for headliner material. This was before I learned that I could go to Pep Boys and buy a "kit" with the correct headliner material for 30.00. Anyway, I bought a yard of material and it cost $8.79. I bought 2 cans of the "Permatex" headliner adhesive at AZ. $10.00 a can. So for under $30.00, I got it done and it truned out way better than I was hoping for. I did not use the traditional headliner material. It is a black faux leather and at first I was not sure if it would look good but I was willing to give it a shot.

I have to do a little "glass" work on the back side at the sunvisor mount locations. When I pulled the old material off the headliner board, it pulled a triangle shaped piece of the board with it. I will just cover the back side of the area with a layer of glass to give it some strength and keep the sunvisor mount from pulling clear through. It will be a good practice run on my fiberglass project.

Here's what the headliner looked like right out of the car:


I got so involved in the headliner project that I forgot to take progress pics. So all I have is the before and after. One thing that I think is important and I have read several threads that state this is to make sure that all the old foam backing form the old headliner material is off of the board. I used a stiff nylon brush and basically buffed/scrubbed the old foam off. I did find that if you brush too hard, you will peel out chunks of the board itself. I layed the material over the dry board and centered it then folded it half way over to one side. Sparyed the glue on the board and the back side of the material and let it sit. After a few minutes, I sprayed on another coat in the opposite direction and let it sit for a few then sprayed on a third coat and let it sit for 5 minutes. Working from the center out, I started smoothing out the material. All was great until I hit the head recessions. Those little bowls gave me fits trying to keep the material from getting wrinkles in it. It took some patience but it worked out.

New material on. I just have to trim out the dome light hole, cut slits for the hanger hooks and hoes for the sunvisors plus reinforce the back side of the sunvisor mounts and it is done.



Let the fiber glass work begin........

Pat


katatak MSG #89, 11-17-2009 08:35 PM
      Started working on the Console project this evening. The pieces I have are a little broke up so I will have to do some repair work first, First things first was to strip the covers off and clean off all the glue and foam. Then I epoxy'd a few of the broken pieces. I cut the original glove box out of the rear piece and will fill this hole with a thin piece of wood. Once the glass work is done, I will fit an 8"sub in this space.

The donor:

Taking off the Cover:

Stripped:

The line up:

Cleaned up and trimmed:


I was looking for some carpet clips that hold the carpet to the skeleton. I posted over in the Mall looking for some and had one guy say that he had them and I never heard back from him. While I was rummaging through my shed this afternoon, Yahtzee! I found about 20 of them. I really need to go through this stuff and make a list of what I have. I could probably build a complete car if I had a frame.

Here's the little buggers:


Off to Lowes for some inspriation/ideas/supplies.... That's funny. I have to go to Lowes to get ideas how to build my console. I'm sick I tell ya....Sick!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-17-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #90, 11-18-2009 08:58 AM
      Hey P,

Just looking over the build. You're doing the entire console not just the armrest area? WOW Great start so far! Now it only gets harder and more fun so HANG ON!

My console was so banged up and cracked I had no idea what it actually looked like intact. The entire front piece where the lighter mounts was broken and a good portion of both sides were cracked and / or missing.



Do you have any sketches of your ideas or are you just gonna wing it? Do you have a general idea, theme or layout you'd like to achieve?

PS - the headliner looks fantastic!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-18-2009).]

katatak MSG #91, 11-18-2009 06:58 PM
      Hey Greg,

Thanks for stopping by. My plan is to basically cover all the console pieces with glass to make them smooth and uniform. After a bunch of prep and putty, I'll give them some kind of paint, coating, etc. I have not got that far yet but I would like to do that Lunitec stuff for the entire console in dark grey or black. No sketches - just a "look" in my head that I want. Which is a stock look but smooth/seemless.

I attempted my first bit of glass today. I got so wound up in it that I did not bother to take any pics. That glass work is a lot harder than I was thinking it would be. It's a good thing I can grind it back off if I have to.....I spent about 4 hours last night watching "how to" videos on You Tube. I though it was going to be easy. I had more resin and hairy fiber glass all over the place than I had on the part.

After I cut the inner part of the glove box out, I cut a piece of thin plywood to fit in the hole. Once I had it in place, I had a little "dish" in the face of the console. I decided that I would "build" up the dish and level it out with some glass plus I want this area to be fairly ridgid for the Sub mount if I ever do decide to mount a sub there. I went to Home Depot and bought some general purpose resin and a package of cloth and a package of mat. I cut 3 pieces of the cloth and 2 pieces of the mat to fit the face of the console. It took a lot more resin that I thought it would to "wet" in all those layers and when I was done, I only made up about half the thickness I needed. After it cures and drys, I will sand her real good and maybe add a few more layers. I do not want it to weigh a ton but it is what it is.

There is also a depression on each side in the back at the bottom. I was scratching my head trying to figure out a way to fill these spots so that I woud have a smooth flat side to glass over. Not sure if this will work but I had a can of "great stuff" so I filled each sopt with foam. I will let it set then file it down to where I want it. I did not want to try and build it up with filler. We will see how it works. I only took one pic today:


More later.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-18-2009).]

katatak MSG #92, 11-18-2009 07:26 PM
      Just went out to the shop to check on the drying of the glass. It's dry!!!!!! Wow, I thought it would take overnight to dry. I brought it in the house cause it's supposed to get down to 30 tonight. I was not sure I wanted to continue down the fiberglass path. I do not think I have the patience to do a good job but now that I have started it, i will have to finish it. After it has dired and I can see the "progress", I have decided that it is not that bad after all. Looking forward to laying on some more glass tomorrow. Still not sure if the foam is going to work. I'll have a better idea tomorrow.





Rick 88 MSG #93, 11-18-2009 08:27 PM
      Great job on the headliner! Have fun on the cruise. I would have liked to go but we had reservations at a B&B in Santa Fe this weekend. I think you will be much warmer than we will.

Sofa King MSG #94, 11-19-2009 07:57 AM
     
 
quote
I attempted my first bit of glass today. I got so wound up in it that I did not bother to take any pics. That glass work is a lot harder than I was thinking it would be. It's a good thing I can grind it back off if I have to.....


Fantastic! Congratulations on your first steps. These first few steps are the hardest and will get easier as you go along. Just remember to spread the resin on the surface before you lay the fiberlgass - gives the glass something to grab onto and then use the brushes to help move the glass around. Taking pics during the process is next to impossible because you only have so much time before the resin dries - unless you have a helper?

 
quote
I though it was going to be easy. I had more resin and hairy fiber glass all over the place than I had on the part.


LOL! I can't help but laugh, because I think your first attempt was a better success than mine. I found resin on the walls 10 ft away. I found fiberglass cloth under the cars. Don't ask me how. And yes, the glass gets ALL over the place. As I mentioned, it gets easier.

When sanding use 40-80 grit on the high surfaces of the fiberglass and then switch to a higher grit paper as to not remove too much of the stock console. The fiberglass just sands away - OH use a mask.

Question: Are you going to leave the "vents" intact or cover those holes as well? I think the foam will work but you might have to glass over it or at the very least spread some resin into the foam areas to help seal it and then you can sand the area down. The glass cures in a matter of hours - even sooner if it's in direct sunlight. That's another reason why I've been having so much fun. The process just keeps moving forward with those quick drying times.

Again, congratulations on those first steps. I'm really excited for you and I'm looking forward to seeing your ideas become a reality. Take it slow, keep up the great work and lot's of pics.

G (SK)

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-19-2009).]

Rick 88 MSG #95, 11-19-2009 01:45 PM
      Hey Pat, In you stockpile of Fiero parts do you have a beechwood console door in good shape?

katatak MSG #96, 11-19-2009 07:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Hey Pat, In you stockpile of Fiero parts do you have a beechwood console door in good shape?


No Rick, I don't. Every one I have is grey and in the typical warped condition.

Pat


katatak MSG #97, 11-19-2009 07:22 PM
      Well I changed direction a little today. after reading more threads - and watching aome more you tube videos, I dediced that the foam "filler" was not the direction I want ed to go. So I tore all the foam out and will be making some "panels" out of glass to cover/buld up voids and low spots on the console. I have a new direction/idea that I think will look much better when finished.

Greg,

Yes I am going to cover the vent areas. Once installed , they can't really be seen and I do not need the "vent" for the ECM heat. If later I decide to build this into a sub box, I will want them plugged anyway. I wish I was good at photo shop and drawing. I have a few ideas that I would like to see in a pic before I dive in. I kind of like some of the Pisa dash's with the AC vent, radio and A/C control angled toward the driver. I also like the one with the "divider" on the passenger side. I will most likely stay with the clean seemless "stock" look as I want the interior to maintain the stock look with some modern features. This car will not have AC or Heat so I am thinking about moving the stereo up to the A/C vent - below that a sort of storage box thingie? I will put the Aux gauge pod on top with aftermarket gauges. I still have not decided how to make the shifter cover.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #98, 11-20-2009 08:01 AM
      Hey P,

Just read your post. I've looked at the PISA dash and I'm pretty sure I know which one you're referring to. That design was based on the C4 Corvette interior - particularly the 1991 Corvette Dash (always go to Google and type in "1991 Corvette Interior")

http://www.corvettefever.co...te_zr1/photo_06.html

Another option is to look at the Corvette Interiors of the same year(s) as the Fiero. The interiors were so similar, not just in design, that they used similar parts from the standard GM parts bin - always trying to save a buck.

http://www.motorera.com/cor...1987/87interior1.jpg

I have a good idea of where you're headed and I can try sketching out some designs for you. Just shoot me a PM listing "all" the things you would want to include any design elements (tilted dash, cup holders, cubbie, etc...) Keeping the dash looking stock is the biggest challenge. For example, I have an idea for the Fiero door panels - similar to the center console in appearance. What I do is start looking at Pontiac cars from that time frame - Grand Am, Grand Prix, Firebird, etc... I then venture out to other brands; Chevy, Buick, Olds, etc. and then ultimately to foreign cars. Most times I'll find several design elements from several sources and then work those elements into a single working design that, in the end, looks stock but updates the basic Pontiac design and adds more function. For example: reflectors in the door, power mirror switch in the door instead on the center console, a cubby in the door instead of a vinyl pocket.

I'm kinda rambling I know... Again, I think I know where you're headed and keeping it stock looking is going to be the toughest part. I'll be more than happy to help if you would like.

G



katatak MSG #99, 11-20-2009 07:22 PM
      More glass work today. I learned a lot today. I am pretty sure that I have been using too much hardner. The resin turns to jelly in under 10 minutes. I think I punched to big a hole in the hardner tube and the drops are probably twice as big as they are supposed to be. Nobody warned me that after sanding fiberglass, I would itch like a madman. It was only afterward that I learned that I should be wearing a long sleve shirt. Someone also suggested that I cover my exposed skin with baby powder or talc powder so that the little glass fibers will not get in my pores. When using general purpose resin, it has a wax in it. As it cures, the wax makes a film on the exposed surface. Before you go to put on more glass and resin, you have to sand the wax film off. I suppose you could wipe it off with some kind of solvent, thinner, etc.?

First thing I did was to make some "fill" panels. I used the old rear glass out of my 47 Chevy Truck, cleaned the glass real good then waxed the glass - I had measured all the little pieces I needed and came up with the size of panel to make. I wanted to see If I could minimize the waste. I used all but about a 1/2" wide by 10" long strip and I am sure I will find a use for the left over piece. Onse it was cured, the Wax paper peeled off very easy and then the panel released from the glass easy. I learned that instead of using masking tape to use packing tape of duct tape. The resin penetrates the masking tape and makes a mess of the glass when you take the panel off. Nothing a little goof off wont fix.

The Glass:

Waxed and masked:

Three layers of mat, rolled out with wax paper on top:

Through the magic of film, a couple hours later:


I will trim this up into various pieces I need for the ned phase.

Pat


katatak MSG #100, 11-20-2009 07:50 PM
      Once I trimmed up the panel, I went to work on the AC surround. I wanted to build a "lip" around the outer edge so that the trim bezel will fit flush when it's all finished. At first, I was going to build the panel with some dowel rod down one edge. As I was trying to get the mat and resin to conform to the dowel rod, the dowel rod kept slipping out of place. I just pulled the dowel out and would worry about it later.

While the panel was curing, I cut some pieces of dowel rod to fit the outer edge of the AC surround. I Gorilla Glued the dowel in place. After I cut the panel into pieces, I positioned the pieces around the AC surround and checked for fit. Once I was happy with the way it was going, I mixed up some resin and mounted the panel pieces to the AC surround. Something to remember here is to lightly sand both sides of the panel - need to remove the wax film and rough it up a little.

Trimmed the edge of the panel and ready to cut the indivdual pieces I need to form the lip:

Forming the inner lip structure:

The last piece:

More of the lip structure in place:

Just needs to cure:

Clamps off:

Can you see the lip?

You may have to use your imagination a little:

One more:


Can you see where I'm going now? As I add more mat and resin to the rest of the AC surround, I will build up the lip area. I will use my dremel to shape the lip and opening so that the trim panel will fit into the lip area - flush with face of the AC surround. There may be an easier way to have done this but it's what I have to work with - both tools and experience. What is cool about this is that I am learning a lot about glass and that's what keeps it interesting. More to come.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-20-2009).]

katatak MSG #101, 11-20-2009 08:02 PM
      One other thing I did today was to trim up the glass work I did the other day on the back console. I sanded is with 50 grit and my mouse sander. I have a lot of low spots and some areas to fill but i am happy with it so far. I used the left over resin I had mixed for the AC suround so I sued it to "fill" in some low spots. Still a long way to go.

Trimmed the edges:

Lots O Sanding:

Fillin in the low's:


It got dark so I had to quit. More tomorrow after I clean out my work shop so I can move the operation indoors - it will give me more time to work on the parts plus my shop is a huge mess and needs cleaned up. Lots of Fiero parts to go through. Maybe I'll find some treasures I forgot I had........

Pat




Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #102, 11-20-2009 09:28 PM
      Pat....your skills never cease to amaze me.

You up for lunch tomorrow (Saturday)? Jeff and Jan are wanting to get together. I'll call you in the AM.


katatak MSG #103, 11-20-2009 09:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat....your skills never cease to amaze me.

You up for lunch tomorrow (Saturday)? Jeff and Jan are wanting to get together. I'll call you in the AM.


I'm ready to go when you guys are!


Sofa King MSG #104, 11-21-2009 07:06 PM
      Pat,

Fantastic work. Now I understand what you meant about the lip. The dowls were a perfect solution. Keep up the great work! And if I haven't mentioned, wear a mask! Having fiberglass dust on your skin is one thing, but breathing this stuff in? oh man! I'm really looking forward to seeing this build. Keep up the great work! Now get back to work!


katatak MSG #105, 11-21-2009 09:50 PM
      Big plans today....But went in a different direction. Some may know but I am also rebuilding a 70 Chevy Monte Carlo. I am in the process of putting the front end back together - have the whole front clip off and the motor out. Anyway, I was just going to reseal the motor and stuff it back in but I decided to rebuild it. In the mean time, I have a freshly rebuilt 383 Stroker Motor that I was going to put in another one of my projects - my 47 Chevy Rat Truck. Well my local Fiero buddies have talked me into putting the 383 in the Monte. So this morning after I finished work, I went to the storage garage to get the motor. After 2 hours of digging, I was still 10 feet away from the motor. I got more junk than any 5 men should be allowed to have. So I loaded a bunch of Fiero parts in the truck and decided to call it a day at the storage garage. About that time, The Far West Texas Fiero guys called to invite me on a field trip and lunch.

We go to lunch then head over to a shop where one of the guys has a Vette in the middle of a rebuild (thats' a whole nother story). Anyway, this shop happens to be "Don Davis'" shop. If you know anything about NHRA Pro Gas drag racing, you have most likely heard the name. He builds high end custom chassis for the Pro Drag Race community. They have also branched out into custom street rods and altering street rods and drag cars. They also build complete fiberglass bodies for race cars and street rods. Mostly Corvette bodies but I believe thay will do anything for a price. Needless to say, if you are a hot rodder, drag racer or a car fanatic, this place was like a candy store. Carbon fiber parts laying around, custom brakets, body parts, ect. etc. We spent a couple hours there drooling and wandering around in a car induced coma. It was great. I had vision of stretched tube chassis Fiero Super Cars, custom fiberglass body panels and carbon fiber interior pieces. It was the biggest project booster I could ask for. Thanks to Jeff, Jan, Dan and Reggie for dragging me along.

When I got home, it was time to get busy and clean up the shop so I could really get busy on the interior project. So here's what I did this afternoon until I ran out of gas about a half hour ago.

The Mess: Barely enogh room to walk in the door.

I took everything out and then started organizing:


After digging through all the boxes of Fiero parts, I ran across this top secret Fiero Tunnel Ram Proto Type:

Getting cleaner:


My shop blew up:




V8 Coupe with some of it's new interior pieces:


And this where I left it for the night:


More later

Pat


katatak MSG #106, 11-22-2009 01:05 PM
      Well I was up till 5 am watching the Tyler build. Completely overwhelmed by that. I was glad I got to be a part of it. Anyway, No sleep so when the sun came up, I went out to finsh the shop clean up. Man I got a lot of junk. I can't bring myself to toss it though. So I had to "stack" it. I got all the Fiero stuff out of storage snd into the shop - at least now I know what I have - kinda! Onto the Interior Work.

The stack begins:


Fiero parts everywhere

Running out of room

And my new work area for the console project:


Pat


katatak MSG #107, 11-22-2009 10:43 PM
      Lots of progess today. First off, I needed to make another "parts" panel. The first one I made, I used masking tape on the glass and the resin soaked through the tape and made a mess. This time I used packing tape and then put a coat of wax on the tape and glass. It worked out pretty good this time.

Glass is prepped and ready for glass:

First mat layer:

Fun with resin:

Second mat layer:

Third mat layer:

Lay on some wax paper and roll away the air bubbles:

Roll, roll, roll your resin.......

A couple hours later and presto:

Smooth as "Glass":


Now if you noticed that each layer I layed was a little smaller than the previous one, there is a reason. I need a strip of glass that is tapered so each layer of mat is a few inch's shorter than the last. When cut to size, the part will be "wedge" shaped. I love this stuff!

More to come!

Pat


katatak MSG #108, 11-22-2009 10:56 PM
      Next in the line up today was to start the "lip" on the shift cover console. Again, the "lip" is so that the shifter cover plate will sit in a recessed area just like the original setup. I used the samll dowel rod again and will builb up layers of glass untill I get it where I want it then sand and sculpt to the perfect fit. The "parts" panel I made earlier today will be used in the making of the lip just like the one I did for the AC surround. With each piece, I learn a little bit more about this glass stuff.

Here's my "Girls with Fiero's" submission. Both my girls hangin out in the shop today!

Gluing the dowel in place:


Test fitting:


After some addition of some more glass, this lip will be tall enough to scuplt into a nice even lip for the shifter cover to sit inside of. I know it does not look like much now and it may be hard to "see" where I'm going but I think it will work out good. Keep in mind that I have absoluely no clue of what I am doing. This is truly shooting from the hip here but I'm having a blast.


More to come!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-22-2009).]

katatak MSG #109, 11-22-2009 11:23 PM
      Alright....Last installment of the day. The other day, I started the lip on the AC surround. I made a "parts" panel and cut it up to make parts for the lip. Once that was done, I had a problem. The side of the AC surround was not flat. I had to build up the rest of the side area. If I had a little "vision", I would have made these parts the same shape as the side of the AC surround. Then I would not have had this "step". After sitting and looking at it for a long time, the idea of the "tapered" part came to me. If I had made these parts for the AC surround in a wedge shape like I did with the panel today, I would not have this problem either.

I still had this step problem. I could tear it apart and start over or I could "fix" what I had. Here's what I did. Now again, before you start telling me what a goof I am, remember that I do not know what I am doing here. The only reason why I am even attempting this is due to some "inspiration" I got from "Sofa King". I started reading his interior thread and was pretty impressed with what his vision was and how he was getting it done. While reading his thread, I gained more inspiration from "Revin" and "Archie's" Miura build. There is truly some incredible glass work going into that build.

So anyway, to fix my problem was simple - just build up the low area and blend it all together. I cut 2 pieces of cloth and 1 piece of mat for each side in the same shape as the low area on each side.

I prepped the plastic and glass with some 50 grit.

I layed a layer of cloth, a layer of mat and then a layer of cloth. Then I layed a sheet of wax paper on top and rolled out the air bubbles.

After it setup but was still a little soft, I pulled off the wax paper and with a razor knife, trimmed the edges. No dust this way!


And the other side.


There are a few "low" spots still but nothing I can't fill with some more resin and glass. Once the sides are leveled and smoothed out, I will put 2 more layers of cloth over the entire surround and build up the lip some more. Then smooth it out, fill the little holes and ?????

So far so good. More to come.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #110, 11-23-2009 08:34 AM
     
 
quote
Keep in mind that I have absoluely no clue of what I am doing.


P,

LMAO! I want to thank you for making me spit my drink all over the monitor and keyboard. That was too funny. As we work our projects at the same time, most of what you're posting, the trials and tribulations, are mirroring my own efforts. I too have no idea what I'm doing and just praying to god everything works out.

On a different note, I found a huge piece of glass in the attic over the weekend and I'll be using it to create panels - similar to what you're doing. In the past I've been putting waxpaper on the smooth garage floor but the glass makes so much more sense.

I'm still tossing ideas around for the glove box. My idea for the armrest still remains the same. I think I'm going to create the armrest from wood first. I'm going to get a 2" x 8" and maybe a 1" or 1/2" panel and glue them together (the height will depend on the cup holder). I'll then cut the basic shape of the armrest to match the console and then route the edges with a roundover bit . I'll sand down smooth, cover with waxpaper and then take a mold of the armrest.

If I plan this right... I can wrap the piece of wood all the way around creating a "sleeve" where, once the glass dried, I should be able to slide the fiberglass piece off because the shape of the console tapers at one end. This shape then will give me the edges I want and have the edges curl under the armrest where I can then attach the armrest through the top of the console.



Your console is looking great! Nice smooth edges and fantastic work. Keep going. Did you think anymore about those grab handles?

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-24-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #111, 11-23-2009 08:44 AM
     
 
quote
Now again, before you start telling me what a goof I am, remember that I do not know what I am doing here. The only reason why I am even attempting this is due to some "inspiration" I got from "Sofa King".


Wait a minute!!!! Everybody is going to blame me! LOL



katatak MSG #112, 11-23-2009 07:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Wait a minute!!!! Everybody is going to blame me! LOL


It is your fault Greg. I may have to "borrow" that arm rest idea....I like that one! Nothing done today - I was supposed to be off work but spent the day creating worthless charts and graphs for my boss........ Boo hiss..... work.... I have fiberglass work to do.


Sofa King MSG #113, 11-24-2009 08:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I was supposed to be off work but spent the day creating worthless charts and graphs for my boss........ Boo hiss..... work.... I have fiberglass work to do.


Tell me you're not a PowerPoint Ranger...

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-24-2009).]

katatak MSG #114, 11-24-2009 01:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Tell me you're not a PowerPoint Ranger...



Well that's not what I aspire to be but my boss thinks I make great charts and graphs and the company I work for is run on charts and graphs so.....It all pays the same but like I said - I believe them to be worthless. I mean you can manipulate them to tell what ever story you want!!!!!! I just make the charts and graphs, he builds the PP presentations...... I got fiberglass work to do!

Pat


katatak MSG #115, 11-24-2009 02:14 PM
      Working on some "texture" ideas today.

Here is the first one. We will call this: Sample "A"!




This is on a piece of fiberglass. Look past the "air bubble holes" as I did no prep to the fiberglass. I just scuffed it and sprayed on the coating. This is Rustoleum spary on bed liner. As it was drying, I did not like the texture so I used a small paint brush and "dabbed" the end of it all around the piece. After it dried, I sprayed a coat of dark grey paint. Because the bed liner is black, it makes the dark grey paint nearly black. It is a garker grey than the dash so I will have to get some lighter grey and experiment. I like this texture but I have a few other methods to try before I decide whch way to go.

More to come.

Pat


revin MSG #116, 11-24-2009 02:18 PM
      Looking good so far Pat!

When it looks that good I think the "never done this before" line can stop! lol You have the basic steps, work involved and so on.

With all that work, you could have just made a blank by laying the glass around all that shifter and console stuff. At least you would have had a "base" to work off of. BUT you are doing fine!

Are you making everything out of glass? like a whole new dash??


katatak MSG #117, 11-24-2009 06:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Looking good so far Pat!

When it looks that good I think the "never done this before" line can stop! lol You have the basic steps, work involved and so on.

With all that work, you could have just made a blank by laying the glass around all that shifter and console stuff. At least you would have had a "base" to work off of. BUT you are doing fine!

Are you making everything out of glass? like a whole new dash??


Thanks Revin,

At first I was going to try and make a "mold" but I was scared so I started small. I'll do things a little different next time. As for the dash, I want to build a new one but that will be later - much later on. My plan for than is to build a plug, then a mold and when I go to do the part, I want to try to do gelcoat, etc. The dash project will be for the XTC so that will be a completely different project. Right now, I am just experimenting - seeing what I can and can't do kind of thing. I know now that I have created more work that I need to but I guess that's how we learn. I appreciate your comments and anything that makes it easier to d0, I am all for. Thanks gain.

Pat


katatak MSG #118, 11-24-2009 06:29 PM
      Some more glass work this afternoon. I cut all the parts to start the "lip" part of the shifter cover. I am realizing now that there is most likely an easier way to do this but now that I have started, i will see it thtough. I'll do things a littl different next time around. After I cut the parts out of the panel I made the other day, I trimmed up the AC Surround and got it ready for another couple layers of glass then sanded to smooth it out. It is starting to take shape.

The AC Suround:

Fitting up the Shifter:


And some non related Fiero work - I primed the front Rad support for my Monte



More later

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #119, 11-24-2009 09:19 PM
      Amazing work Pat. Can't wait to see the finished product. Now we just need to find us a shop to rent so we can start doing some serious stuff.

BlackThunderGT MSG #120, 11-24-2009 09:46 PM
      Looking good Pat

To bad you could not make the Kerrville run...it was great


Sofa King MSG #121, 11-24-2009 10:23 PM
      P,

Those panels look fantastic! Nice and smooth. Great work


katatak MSG #122, 11-24-2009 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

Those panels look fantastic! Nice and smooth. Great work


Aw man Greg, you own page 4..... I knew it was going to roll anytime......I was busy in the shop making parts and missed it.

I'm learning to use that roller to squeeze out the air. I think it's a lot harder to get the air ot of the cloth versus the mat but the mat tends to start "wading" up if you brush it too much. It's a balance.


katatak MSG #123, 11-24-2009 11:33 PM
      A little more progress this afternoon. After working on the AC suround, I had a low spoton each side so I decided it needed to be built up some more. I cut two pieces of mat that would fit in the low spot on each side then glassed them in.

The low spot - it's hard to see in the pic:

Cutting the mat to fit: one layer!

Two layers:

Rolled out the air bubbles:

Tada:

Now it is a little high: I can work with this!

Let's see what the laser says:


Now it's out under the heat lamp cause it's cold here in El Paso tonight.

More later.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #124, 11-25-2009 07:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Let's see what the laser says:


UH OH! Pat just uped the ante... He's now using lasers? Oh man!

The glass looks great! Now get back to work



Sofa King MSG #125, 11-25-2009 10:55 AM
      P,

To help with air bubbles in the fiberglass you'll need something like this fiberglass roller - they come in various sizes. I just bought a couple from ebay

Pic
http://transomrepair.com/st.../images/6bris500.jpg

Website - scroll down
http://transomrepair.com/zk/seacaststore.shtml

Another great site for rollers and supplies
http://www.bodico.com/Laminating_Rollers.aspx

Hope this helps

G (SK)

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-25-2009).]

katatak MSG #126, 11-25-2009 08:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


UH OH! Pat just uped the ante... He's now using lasers? Oh man!

The glass looks great! Now get back to work


I guess that's where we get "Laser" straight from....lol Actually, I could not find my straight edge and the laser was laying right there so...... Now I found a new toy. It really shows where all my mistakes are.


katatak MSG #127, 11-25-2009 11:50 PM
      A little more progress this evening. Got the sides of the AC surround leveled out. Now I need to sand smooth and lay a couple more layers of glass to finish it. I also staterd working on the "lip" for the shifter surround. Not sure this is going to work. I may have to burn up the dremel to fix it? That's the swwet thing about glass work, you can always grind it back off!

Some more "laser" level for you Greg........

The low spot is now the high spot

Getting better

This is more what I'm looking for

Side to side view


And some shots of the "lip" build up:



There will be no Fiero project work tomorrow - Eat a lot of Turkey tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving!

Pat


katatak MSG #128, 11-28-2009 02:43 PM
      Some more progress this morning before the honey do list kicked in. I am still trying to level out and even up the AC surround. It's tedious work but I can start to see the end product. After I leveled up the side panels, I had to sand till I choked to get it actually level and I still had some low spots. I also had to build up some areas so that I could round off corners and make it look symetricel. I layed 3 layers of mat and 1 layer of cloth on the bottom to smooth it out and then built up the edges of the lip area. It does not look like much yet but it's getting there. After looking at it for a few hours, I am sure there was an easier way to get to where I want it to go but I'm learning.

Sanding, sanding, snading:

Taking shape:

Adding some more for build up:


Building up the lip area:



At this point, I had to make a run to the Machine Shop to pick up my block for my Monte project. Now my time will be split between the V8 Coupe interior and the Monte motor rebuild. Yippee...... More work.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-28-2009).]

katatak MSG #129, 11-28-2009 02:53 PM
      After I got back from the machine shop, I decided to do some work on the shifter cover. Lots of sanding and trimming here but it's strating to look better. I have a ways to go on this part too. I will be making a shifter cover plate ou of glass once I get this part finished. There will be not ashtray's - just a smooth cover with a nice shifter boot attached. I still want this to be revovable so I can service the shifter. The more I look at it, I may end up making this all one piece. Just have to figure out a way to fasten it to the skeleton. It's a work in progress.

Forming the lip with lots of sanding:


Getting there:

More later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #130, 11-28-2009 07:13 PM
      P,

Those edges look great! You're putting good work time into the project. If you haven't already figured it out... Sanding is a blast! And it only gets worse from here! Be sure to invest in a few dozen spray cans of primer / filler for the the little holes.

Again, looks great! I never would have tackled rounded edges my first time out of the gate. Kudos!

Now get back to work!


Sofa King MSG #131, 11-28-2009 07:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

There will be not ashtray's - just a smooth cover with a nice shifter boot attached.


Have you considered putting anything in its place? Grab handles?????



katatak MSG #132, 11-28-2009 11:54 PM
      I was able to finish the honey do list so I got back on the glass work. Again I changed dierction. My plan on the shift console was to make the cover plate removeable just like the factory setup but after looking at my Formula, I realized that originally, the cover plate and the shifter console was one piece. The plate is glued to the console. So, I decided to make mine all one piece. So here we go.

The first thing I did was cut the "auto" selector center out of the plate - Don't flame me - it is a broke up piece that I glued back together:

Then I made a panel on my glass lay up table - 1 layer of mat on the glass then a layer of cloth for strength:

Then some more trimming on the console:

Once tha panel cured, I peeled it off the glass and cut a piece to fit the shifter plate:

Sanded and fit to the console:

Then Ilayed 3 layers - 1 cloth and 2 mat:


I had to spend a lot of time dabbing the brush in the corners to get it to lay in there nice. It was a time consumoing PITA. Once it is cured, I will file/sand/grind down the "lip" flush with the top. Then I will cut the shifter hole and find a nice low profile boot to fasten to the top of the cover. Sofa King has made a suggestion of fabricating a set of grab handles and I may - just for fun, mock some up to see what it looks like. When finished, there will be no ashtrays. Just a smooth top with a custom shifter boot. I have to design a way to fasten it to the skeleton or fab some brakets that attach to the metal tunnel. More to come!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-28-2009).]

katatak MSG #133, 11-29-2009 12:13 AM
      While I was waiting for he panel for the shifter console to cure, I worked on the AC surround some more. I fit it up to the dash and realied the the original has a "lip" around the back edge where it fits up to the dash. It fills the gap between the dash and the surround. When I placed my new one in there, the gap looked terrible. So, I fabbed up some "lip" pieces that I will glass in on the back edge of the surround to fill the gap. I also set the gauge pod on top to see what it looked like. I was thinking of building a pod out of glass and then mating it to the surround. I have yet to decide what to do here.

Sitting in the dash:



Here's the "lip":


And the Guage Pod:



More to come!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #134, 11-29-2009 11:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Have you considered putting anything in its place? Grab handles?????


I forgot to post this VERY CRUDE 3D image of the grab handle idea I mentioned. The console looks really sharp! Can't wait to see it with a shot or primer. If I may, I would suggest sticking with your original plan to have a removable plate with chrome or silver hex bolts keeping them in place. And then replace / paint the rest of the bolts to match. You should be able to fabricate mounting holes in the glass. Just a thought. Pat, keep up the great work!

Grab Handle

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-29-2009).]

katatak MSG #135, 11-29-2009 11:26 PM
      It was raining and cold here all day. A perfect day to close myself up in the shop and work on the console. I spent the whole day out there and nobody bothered me all day. It was very nice! My focus today was to get the shifter console closer to the finished product. Between the glass curing and the filler curing, I even found time to do some work on my 47 Chevy Rat Truck project. Since I was working with filler, I needed to do some "smoothing" on the dash in the truck so it was mix a batch for the console, spread it on, mix a batch for the truck, spread it on, sand on the console, sand on the truck and that's pretty much how it went all day. I also squeezed in some work on the AC surround and cleaned up the shop some.

Last night, I layed in some cloth and mat on the shift console and this morning I took the sander to it.

I had a little "hump" in the center so I used my bench belt sander to flatten it out.

You can see that I had a few low spots. Time for filler!


First skim coat of filler - along with the low spots, there were several air bubbles to fill. It was cold here today so I put the heat lamp on it to help it cure.

After the filler cured, I gave it a rough sanding - a little more filler needed.

Second fill coat.

And lots of sanding.

Getting fairly flat and square.


Still have a little hump on one end.

Also worked the sides




After alot more sanding and smoothing.




I did some fit up of the AC surround/shft cover today and realized that I need to build up the lower front edge of the surround quite a bit. Even though the AC surround is tappered in from the dash to the shift console, the taper is very subtle. With the vinyl covering removed, it did not occur to me until I put the shift console on the old original AC surround. When I set the shift console on the AC surround that I am working on, there is a big gap. When the AC surround and the shift console fit together, I want the seam to be very tight. It will take a lot more glass work to get it right. And I thought I was getting close.........

Pat


katatak MSG #136, 11-29-2009 11:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


I forgot to post this VERY CRUDE 3D image of the grab handle idea I mentioned. The console looks really sharp! Can't wait to see it with a shot or primer. If I may, I would suggest sticking with your original plan to have a removable plate with chrome or silver hex bolts keeping them in place. And then replace / paint the rest of the bolts to match. You should be able to fabricate mounting holes in the glass. Just a thought. Pat, keep up the great work!

Grab Handle




Thanks for the idea Greg. I started mocking up some grab handles this afternoon but did not get anywhere close to having a handle to set on the console for a visual. I really like this idea and will most likely incorporate it into the shift console. I was looking at your thread this evening and think that your arm rest concept is the way to go. I really like the idea of a retractable cup holder. I posted a couple ideas for you in your thread for the hinge and the mounting of the cup holder. I want to incorporate some cup holders in the V8 Coupe. Just not sure where to put them. I am thinking of 2 different ways. First is to follow your lead and build an arm rest with the retractable cup holder or, because the V8 Coupe will not have AC/heat/defrost, I was thinking of putting a similar retractable cup holder in the spot where the AC control is in the AC surround.

Now this has it's draw backs as sometime in the future, I will put an AC/Heat/ Defrost unit in. Right now it has an aftermarket unit in place that is kind of funky and the wiring is sketchy at best. The V8 has the compressor mounted and the belt installed. There are no lines run. So for now, the aftermarket unit is coming out. I will be getting the AC/heater box unit out of another Fiero at the junk yard later on. For now, it is just a hot rod that will spend more time at the Friday night drags than cruising down the Interstate. Maybe later if I get around to a 6 spd swap, I may set up the AC so I can take it on some runs but that's a ways off.

After a lot of thought, I went forward with making the shift console one piece. Mainly because it was easier but it also made it stronger and it will have that smooth - seamless look I am after. Once it is all done, if I dont like the look, I can take my router and put a shallow groove around the top, add some "faux" stainless screws and paint the center panel silver to give it the appearance of a removeable cover. There are just too many different ways to go. I have decided to go with the simple plain direction and if it does not look right installed, I can adjust for it.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #137, 11-30-2009 09:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks for the idea Greg. I started mocking up some grab handles this afternoon but did not get anywhere close to having a handle to set on the console for a visual. I really like this idea and will most likely incorporate it into the shift console.


You're very welcome. I'm looking forward to seeing the mocked up version. More so once you splash some primer - hint hint

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I really like the idea of a retractable cup holder... First is to follow your lead and build an arm rest with the retractable cup holder or, because the V8 Coupe will not have AC/heat/defrost, I was thinking of putting a similar retractable cup holder in the spot where the AC control is in the AC surround.


Remember, the 91 Firebird has the door mounted cup holders with integrated map pockets. I found those on EBay last week and they stay true to original design of the car. I lost out on a bid for 25 bucks for the pair. This might be an easier solution if you choose not to build the integrated cup holder. However, putting the cup holder into the dash console might be the best option. If this was a short term plan I would say go with the door mounted cup holder / map pockets. But it sounds like this is more of a long term plan. I can give you all the dimensions for the Toyota 4Runner cup holder if you like that particular unit. It was perfect for what I wanted. There are others on EBay.

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

There are just too many different ways to go. I have decided to go with the simple plain direction and if it does not look right installed, I can adjust for it.


UGH... Tell me about it. The lid hinge has been driving me crazy and I have tons of ideas for the glovebox. There are too many directions... We just gotta nail down a design and move forward... or sideways...

As always, the console is looking really nice. Your attention to detail - especially the flat panels - is driving me crazy! LOL Your use of the laser has made me look at my console and go "...hmmmmmm..." THANKS! LOL

OH! I did run into another problem. When I cut the lid from the console, the console itself lost a lot of structural integrity. When the bottom of the lid meets up the console when in the closed position, the console is beginning to bow inward. There is a gap forming and I'm not sure how to fix it at this point.

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 11-30-2009).]

katatak MSG #138, 11-30-2009 09:50 PM
      Not much to report today. I had a ton of work and when I thought I was done for the day, the boss called and piled more on. I went out to the shop around 4pm but we are having some unusual weather here in El Paso.


Yes folks, that is snow sticking on the ground! Needless to say, it was too cold for any glass work. So I decided to do some trimming on the AC surround and see if I could figure out how to get the shift console and the AC surround to match up.

Here is the new shift console mated to the origianl AC surround. Note how they meet. I want to get the same kind of match up but a lot tighter and evenly matched.



So I did a bunch of trimming - this is the part about glass work that I hate - there is no clean way of doing it!


The bottom forward part of the AC surround is tappered. With the vinyl cover, it is nearly square - it has a slight taper to meet the shift surround. To get the fit I want, I need to build up this lower part of the AC surround. So I took a couple pieces of the fiberglass panel I made earlier and sanded them into a "wedge" shape to fit the taper and tried to square up the side a little. I had no more fiberglass panel left so for mock up I cut a piece of 1/8" ply.


When the weather warms up a bit, I will make a form out of wood and lay a couple layers of glass over the form. When it's cured, I will remove it from the form and glass it to the AC surround. Then I will lay up a few more layers of mat and sand an file and fill till I get the fit I am looking for. Here's a "rough" look:



If anyone has a better idea, I'd sure like to hear it. More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-30-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #139, 12-01-2009 08:38 AM
      P,

There are 2 possible solutions... The idea is to extend the shifter plate level all the way to the radio "plate". What do you think of these ideas:

1) Tightly wrap the shifter console in waxpaper / packing tape (whatever you think is best) and then lay glass over the center of the shifter console going side to side. You'll want to lay several layers of glass to build up the structural integrity. Once the resin cures pop this mold off and then wrap the inside of the mold you just took with either waxpaper or a mold release in prep to accept the fiberglass. The idea is to get an exact "plug" of the shifter plate. Again, when the resin cures, you pop out out the plug and then trim and sand to fit.

2) The other and more simple - take the appropriate measurements and create a top and 2 sides that will be glassed together and adhere to the shifter console. Then you'll have sand, sand, sand to ensure an even smooth fit and finish (but you probably already knew that).

I think this is what you're ultimately going for?


I'm working a few other ideas for the console plate

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-01-2009).]

katatak MSG #140, 12-01-2009 04:09 PM
      Greg, I hate you! I was not even thinking in that direction. Crap! Now I have to change directions again. Or, maybe, I could screw the shift console and the AC surround together, fill and smooth out all the gaps and holes then make a mold of the entire piece, then build a complete glass piece. This would take the console from 3 pieces to 2 with the seam being between the seats and less noticeable. If I were to go ths route, I would have to make the shifter cover plate removable again - it would not be too hard to do - the structure is still there. Just means more sanding and grinding. It's a good thing it's snowing today. Gives me some time to think about my next move............... I'll never get this done! Anyone got a decent stock grey console setup - front to back? J/K, I can't quit now.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #141, 12-01-2009 04:22 PM
      P,

First... LOL!!! Sorry to complicate things. I tend to do that. Look at my project

Second... no no no... just extend the shifter plate so it rests over top of the center stack console. That way you keep two pieces but a nice tight fit between the center console and the stack console. Make sense?


katatak MSG #142, 12-01-2009 04:31 PM
      I follow you Greg. I like that idea too. I'll have to go out to the shop and do some visualization excercizes....... I was just outside and it's warming up - may get to do some more glass work this afternoon! Yipee.....

Pat


Sofa King MSG #143, 12-02-2009 08:00 PM
      Hey! Bump...

katatak MSG #144, 12-02-2009 09:49 PM
      A little more progress this afternoon. I was really making progress till my oldest son called me to tell me there was "green stuff" running out of his Formula. I had to go check it out - water pump is gone. I know what I'll be doing this weekend. I just love putting a water pump on a Fiero! Great fun!

So anyway, last night and this afternoon, I did some more build up of the AC surround so I could get it to match up to the shift console. It was an experiment that turned out good. The bottom sides of the AC surround are tappered in and I needed to square it up to fit up to the shift console. So I went to the Hobby store and got some balsa wood and shaped up a couple of wedges to fill in the taper. I glued these to the surround and then layed several layers of "staggered" mat basically making a "wedged" shaped glass section on the lower part of the surround. I managed to get the top and one side layed last night and today I got the other side layed up. Once it was cured, I went after it with the Dremel and trimmed it up. I looked like a snow man when I was done - covered in fiberglass dust.

After I got the Surround trimmed up, I mounted the skeleton to a 2X6 so I could start mocking up the entire console. It's starting to come together but I still have a lot of work to do to the surround and the arm rest piece.

I did not get any pics from last night but here's one of the side I did today. Once I had the glass layed, I placed wax paper on top and rolled the air bubbles out. Then I put a piece of harwood veneered plywood on top of the wax paper and clamped it down with some spring clamps. After it sat for 15 minutes, I removed the clamps, wood and wax paper - the result is wonderful. Nice flat smooth with no air bubbes to fill.


The fit I am going for:



The skeleton mounted to a 2X6 for mock up:


And all three pieces fit up:





More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #145, 12-02-2009 10:03 PM
      Need an opinion. I am thinking of building a lip around the bottom of the AC surround to create a recessed area. Then I woud "square" off the shift console to match it. I think it would give it a better - finished look? What do you think?

I'm no phot shop guy and I can barley use Paint but this may give you an idea of what I am thinking of:


Pat


Sofa King MSG #146, 12-03-2009 07:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Need an opinion. I am thinking of building a lip around the bottom of the AC surround to create a recessed area. Then I woud "square" off the shift console to match it. I think it would give it a better - finished look? What do you think?


Yes. Do it. I bought the little "cubby" holder from the Fiero Store and its wonderful. You have a place to put your glasses, spare change, etc...

Pat, your glass work is getting better and better - you sicken me. The console is looking really good - very clean and very professional - you sicken me.


katatak MSG #147, 12-03-2009 09:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Yes. Do it. I bought the little "cubby" holder from the Fiero Store and its wonderful. You have a place to put your glasses, spare change, etc...

Pat, your glass work is getting better and better - you sicken me. The console is looking really good - very clean and very professional - you sicken me.


Heehee...Not bad for a tired old fat man huh?.....ROFLMAO.....Crap now I can't get up off the floor..... Thanks Greg for the positive comments. I put off messing with fiberglass because I was scared to screw something up. I really needed to get after it though so I could do the body work needed on the XTC project. I figured I could screw up this console as much as possible and it would all be a learning experience. If it turned out bad, I could always put a socker in and not worry about it. there is no way a stocker is going in that car now. I'll lay glass and sand til the dust is neck deep but it will get done. There is so much that can be done with this stuff and it is very easy to work with - messy but easy. I've finally got to the point where I mix just enough resin for the work I'm going to do instead of wasting 2 or 3 ounces each time. I agree, it takes too long - I am not very patient and thats when I run into trouble. Right now with the weather being cold, it is forcing me to "pace" things out and it makes a big difference in quality. I just have to keep telling myself to go slow. I am really looking forward to starting the body work on the XTC now.......But first, I have to finish this console and build and extractor hood scoop! Now back to work!

Pat


katatak MSG #148, 12-05-2009 12:19 AM
      I know, I know.....More boring "look what I did" fiberglass pictures! I apologize but it's part of my Fiero therapy. I had big plans to get alot done to day. Took half the day off, had all my stuff laid out...etc, etc. I met the local Fiero guys for lunch and pretty much shot the afternoon. It was a great time though - lots of Fiero discussions took place and we got to see "pics" of "Rick 88's" new Mera. It's a beautiful car and it's all there and correct. Very nice car and now I want one too! But that's another thread.

Anyway, after the excursion for lunch, I came home and helped my son get the 88 Formula up on jacks so we can tackle a water pump in the morning. After that, I finally got to work on the console some. I did not get a lot done becasue it is so cold here. Fiberglass takes forever to cure when it's cold. I have a small space heater and a heat lamp so small areas work out OK.

My goal is to get the AC surround finished before I start on the back piece. The shifter cover is nearly done but I need the front and rear piece finished before I can finish it. I needed to build up the top of the AC surround to get the gauge pod to fit right. I do not want any gap between the pod and the top of the surround. After I layed about 6 layers of mat and let it cure under the heat lamp, I filled the shop with dust again and roughed it out. The pod fits close to how I want it now. I am still trying to decide if I want to just mount the original pod on top or if I am going to fab a new one and glass it all into one piece. I will add my own aftermarket gauges in the pod - H20 temp, oil pressure and Voltage - and I want to fab up a guage face / mount that slightly angles each guage towards the driver. I have a few ideas how to accomplish this but I'll have to do some experiments first.

Rough sanded and ready to start work:


Several layers for the build up on top:


Pod on top before the build up:


And after:


I also needed to add a flange on the front edges where the surround fits into the dash. The original has this flange to fill the gap between the surround and the dash and I am attempting to get the same look. I cut some parts out of a panel I had made and tonight I glassed them to the surround. I am not sure this will workout but I am going to try it. Once the resin cures, I will add a few layers of mat over top to give it some strength then sand it to fit.

Here's the flange on the original surround:


I had to add the parts in layers. Here is the start of the flange:





It's too cold out there for me now so I am done for the evening.

Pat


katatak MSG #149, 12-05-2009 01:29 AM
      Ok, I lied! I could not stand it. I was sitting in the house all warm and comfortable watching the Mecam Auction on HD Theatre and all those wonderful cars going across the block prompted me to give it one more push tonight. I went back out and checked the glass work and ended up making some more dust clouds and some more fit up and some more mock up. I wish this thing was done.

After some triming and sanding you can start to see the flange taking shape:



And fit into the dash - getting closer. a few more layers of mat and some serious sanding and I'll be where I want to be:



Here is a better shot of the pod in place. Note that the flange does not go up over the top. I will "build this in once I decide what direction to go with the pod. If I fab one out of glass, I will incorporate the flange into the pod housing. I know it does not look like it but I am trying to plan it out ahead of building. Next time I will do a better job of the pre planning though as there are quite a few things that I could have done quicker and easier. Still learning tricks!



Here are some "mock up" shots of what I am thinking for the recessed area on the bottom of the AC surround.







Now I'm done!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-05-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #150, 12-05-2009 07:18 PM
      Pat Pat Pat...

Why do you keep raising the bar? Why? Your attention to details is making me mad and forcing me to work harder. STOP IT!

The console is really coming along. I have to admit I started to chuckle when you were all toasty warm and then just had to head out to the workshop. Cracked me up! The flange is an excellent touch. Bravo. After seeing what you've done, I'm considering putting something very similar on the sides on my console near the firewall. What you'll realize, as I did, when you begin work on your back console, was how thick the vinyl piece of the armrest was. There is an indent in the firewall carpet. The console I made is snug, but there is still that little play. A flange, similar to what you did, would fill in the gap perfectly.

I'm really excited for you. May I suggest raising the "walls" to the cubby area a little higher? If not... that's ok... LOL

Now get back out there!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-05-2009).]

katatak MSG #151, 12-05-2009 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Pat Pat Pat...

Why do you keep raising the bar? Why? Your attention to details is making me mad and forcing me to work harder. STOP IT!

The console is really coming along. I have to admit I started to chuckle when you were all toasty warm and then just had to head out to the workshop. Cracked me up! The flange is an excellent touch. Bravo. After seeing what you've done, I'm considering putting something very similar on the sides on my console near the firewall. What you'll realize, as I did, when you begin work on your back console, was how thick the vinyl piece of the armrest was. There is an indent in the firewall carpet. The console I made is snug, but there is still that little play. A flange, similar to what you did, would fill in the gap perfectly.

I'm really excited for you. May I suggest raising the "walls" to the cubby area a little higher? If not... that's ok... LOL

Now get back out there!



It's a sickness Greg. I agree on the taller walls! I am going to make a "tray" that will fit in there but will be removeable so it can be cleaned out on ocaision. I have some extra front speaker covers and I will use the compression pins/rubber gromets to secure the tray to the console. It will mean some more work but hey, what else do I have to do? I did not get much done again today. Spent most the day changing a water pump on my 88 Formula. It was a major pain to get all the old gasket material off the block. We got it done though.

Thanks for the heads up on the rear console. I was not even paying any attention to that. More work at hand now I suppose. I did get some done this afternoon. I'll have pics up in a bit - I'm not done for the day yet..........Or night!

Pat


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #152, 12-05-2009 07:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Not much to report today. I had a ton of work and when I thought I was done for the day, the boss called and piled more on. I went out to the shop around 4pm but we are having some unusual weather here in El Paso.





hahaha you guys probabley thought the sky was falling appart this morning dident you J/K dude.

[This message has been edited by pontiackid86 (edited 12-05-2009).]

Rick 88 MSG #153, 12-05-2009 08:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


It's a sickness Greg. I agree on the taller walls! I am going to make a "tray" that will fit in there but will be removeable so it can be cleaned out on ocaision. I have some extra front speaker covers and I will use the compression pins/rubber gromets to secure the tray to the console. It will mean some more work but hey, what else do I have to do? I did not get much done again today. Spent most the day changing a water pump on my 88 Formula. It was a major pain to get all the old gasket material off the block. We got it done though.

Thanks for the heads up on the rear console. I was not even paying any attention to that. More work at hand now I suppose. I did get some done this afternoon. I'll have pics up in a bit - I'm not done for the day yet..........Or night!

Pat


And I'm stuck here at work......when I could be playing with my Fiero.


katatak MSG #154, 12-05-2009 10:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


And I'm stuck here at work......when I could be playing with my Fiero.


I'll play with that new Mera you got for ya Rick. I'd even drive it by the dealership so you could see me in it.


katatak MSG #155, 12-05-2009 11:06 PM
      Alrighty then..... Made good progress today despite having to install a water pump on the Formula. Again, my focus is on the AC surround. I had to build up the lip for the vent cover and then I wanted to get some filler on it to see where I was. Lots of sanding took place and there was a little beer drinking but I managed to get some primer on it.

Building up the lip:



A little filler....Ok a lot of filler!




And lots of sanding:



This does not mix with beer to well!


Then I put some primer on the shifter console and the AC surround.





And there was a little dust on the camera:




Now I had some problems with my primer. I'm thinking it is due to just cheap primer but it is rustoleum automotive primer. I had a few "fish eyes" in the shift console but the AC surround was really bad. Could it be cheap primer, something on the fiberglass? I sanded the crap out of it and wiped it down with thinner then let it dry real good before spraying. It was about 60* in the shop. It just irks me to do all that work and still have problems with the primer. I'll figure it out!

I also made a few "panels" for some parts I will be making tomorrow. The panel on the right has 2 layers of mat, 1 layer of cloth and 2 more layers of mat. The panel on the left has 3 layers of cloth.


Pat




katatak MSG #156, 12-06-2009 05:48 PM
      Lots of fun today. Went to AZ and got some filler primer and some wax & grease remover. Did some more filling and sanding and sanding and filling and then some more sanding. After a last coat of filler primer, I can see how many more little holes and low spots left to fix. It is coming together nicely though. I will set the AC surround and the shift console aside now and work on the back piece. I have a lot of work to do on it so here we go.

Here's some of what I got accomplshed today.

After sanding all the fish eye's out:


Setup on the skeleton to check fit:


Last coat of filler primer:



Old versus New:




Mocked up with the dash:




Time to work on the back console for awhile now!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-06-2009).]

katatak MSG #157, 12-06-2009 06:08 PM
      Forgot to add the rest of my work today. I had some things to "smooth" out on the rear console. So I cut some balsa wood fillers and then I was going to use some of the "panels" I made last night to fill in the rest but after cutting the pieces and fitting them in, I did not like the look of it so I changed directions. I ended up using body filler to smooth it out and it turned out better than I was expecting. It's still all experimental but I learn something everyday.

Here's the panels I made last night - peeled off the glass. I made 2 different panels. I ridgid and one flexible.



Flexiible!


Here's the areas I need to "smooth" out.


Filling in some with balsa wood:


Throw on some filler:



The lighter area will be no more:


After some sanding and shaping, it's time for some glass:



And some glass curing:


More later after the glass cures.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-06-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #158, 12-07-2009 08:34 AM
      I LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

The mock up was outstanding! The side by side comparo shows the time and effort you're putting into this project. Absolutely wonderful work!

There you go again.. raising the bar...

Quick question / advice: If you haven't, resin a layer of glass to the underside of the armrest to give it strength. With the amount of handling and flipping, sanding, etc... you'll want that console pretty durable.

Again, just fantastic work. Keep moving!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-07-2009).]

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #159, 12-07-2009 09:53 AM
      Hey Pat. Great work! Give me a call when you get a chance. I've got some things you might be interested in....

katatak MSG #160, 12-07-2009 11:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

I LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

The mock up was outstanding! The side by side comparo shows the time and effort you're putting into this project. Absolutely wonderful work!

There you go again.. raising the bar...

Quick question / advice: If you haven't, resin a layer of glass to the underside of the armrest to give it strength. With the amount of handling and flipping, sanding, etc... you'll want that console pretty durable.

Again, just fantastic work. Keep moving!



Thanks Greg. It's a lot of work but I am finally seeing what I want to see. It's all your fault anyway. Your console build inspried me to take the fiberglass leap. It would not be where it is without your help (I have to put a plug in for Archie too - the Miura build is a work of fiberglass art. Those guys make it look so easy).

Pat



katatak MSG #161, 12-07-2009 12:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

Hey Pat. Great work! Give me a call when you get a chance. I've got some things you might be interested in....


Hey there Phil,

Some things? You have a more than "some" things I am interested in. I just don't have room for it all....lol. My 16 year old is pushing hard for that 4.9. He thinks it would fit perfect in the XTC! I need to make a run up there to look at that 88 rear facia anyway. I'll give you a call toward the end of the week.

Pat

Edit to add: Muwahhahhaaa - Page 5 Ownage!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-07-2009).]

katatak MSG #162, 12-07-2009 09:41 PM
      Not much to report today. I got a lot done but it's more of the same from the past few pages. I started laying glass on the rear console last night and continued today. Made good progress and went through a lot of mat, cloth and resin.

A few shots of the console as it sits this evening.

Sanding started:


Sanding finished:



And a little filler to smooth out some rough spots before more glass:


And my entry for the unofficial PFF Fiero Build Art Contest - Abstract Catagory!


Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-07-2009).]

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #163, 12-07-2009 10:04 PM
      I have a grey dash in great shape, and a tan one that would be a perfect skeleton for a custom job. It's cracked up, but complete.
Have you looked at the interior of the Solstice? Some of it could work in the fiero. Might give your brain some more ammo.

You gotta teach me some of that fiberglass business. I'm still on duct tape and tie wire.......


Sofa King MSG #164, 12-08-2009 08:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

And my entry for the unofficial PFF Fiero Build Art Contest - Abstract Catagory!


LMAO! Brilliant! You gotta warn me about this kinda stuff. I'm always drinking or eating something. Now I gotta clean up...



Sofa King MSG #165, 12-08-2009 08:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

I have a grey dash in great shape, and a tan one that would be a perfect skeleton for a custom job. It's cracked up, but complete.
Have you looked at the interior of the Solstice? Some of it could work in the fiero. Might give your brain some more ammo.

You gotta teach me some of that fiberglass business. I'm still on duct tape and tie wire.......


Pat,

Project XTC might have just gotten a bit more interesting?


Sofa King MSG #166, 12-08-2009 08:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks Greg. It's a lot of work but I am finally seeing what I want to see. It's all your fault anyway. Your console build inspried me to take the fiberglass leap. It would not be where it is without your help (I have to put a plug in for Archie too - the Miura build is a work of fiberglass art. Those guys make it look so easy).

Pat


Thank you - I think. LOL. In the course of just a few weeks we've been able to help each other and that's pretty cool. You keep raising the bar on me with one great idea after the next... And you are correct, Nolan, Revin and Archie deserve mucho kudo's. So technically, it's their fault.

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-08-2009).]

katatak MSG #167, 12-08-2009 08:24 PM
      It was a rough day in El Paso. We had 86 mph winds and I spent most the day chasing lawn chairs, tables, garbage cans, Fiero parts, etc around the neighborhood. My workshop is not air tight so this afternoon, around 3 pm, the wind started to die down. I went out to the shop and spent an hour cleaning the sand out. Once the shop was cleaned up, all the lawn furniture back in place, the Fiero parts stacked back up, I had a little time to work on the console.

Nothing exciting. Just laying more layers of glass to get the overall size and shape that I am after. Once I get it close, I will start the finish process. It's kind of boring right now. Cut the mat to size, mix a batch of resin, spread the resin, lay the glass, roll it out, and repeat.

After the cleanup, I got organized:


I got tired of messing around with the "child" size cans of resin and picked up some "man" sized resin:


A great tip from Sofa King. I was using plastic drink cups to mix my resin in. About the time it was starting to gel in the cup, it would eat through the bottom and would make a nice mess. Per SK's suggestion, I picked up a few of these plastic mix buckets at Lowe's. These work great. Once the resin sets, just peel it out. Now if you leave resin without hardner on the plastic, it will soften it and I imagine eat through it if left long enough. A quick swipe around the inside with the brush and it will cure and peel out when set.


Waiting to cure:




More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #168, 12-08-2009 09:52 PM
      I'm glad you found all your lawn furniture. I'll have to look for mine when I get home. We finally got power back here, but it was pretty much a wasted day. Glass work is looking great as always.........

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #169, 12-08-2009 10:19 PM
      Looking good as usually.

The short bus is pending sale this weekend depending on the weather and a few other things.
The 4.9 is looking like a hopeless dream. You might have to save it from an early grave.
My new project has it's possibilities, at least until another Fiero finds it's way into my yard. (They tend to do that)
Get you dibs on whatever interior parts, etc. that I have before I offer them up to the vultures.
I'm only saving the absolute must haves in the shed until the garage is complete.
Being back on the road has slowed my busted knuckles and cussing pleasures to a crawl.
I might need a little favor to ask if you call later this week....


Sofa King MSG #170, 12-09-2009 08:55 AM
      P,

Sweet! I love progress pics. What's funny... I'm looking through your latest build pics... I see the "Man Sized" tub of resin, the brushes, the cups, the space heater, the console, the primer, the eye glasses, the dust... it's like I'm looking in my own garage.


katatak MSG #171, 12-09-2009 03:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

Sweet! I love progress pics. What's funny... I'm looking through your latest build pics... I see the "Man Sized" tub of resin, the brushes, the cups, the space heater, the console, the primer, the eye glasses, the dust... it's like I'm looking in my own garage.


I wonder how many other garages out there look just like ours? Fiero projects at thier best........ At least I am starting to see real progress. I am going "stereo" shopping this afternoon. I am getting ready to start reinstalling the interior this weekend. Even if the console is not quite done, I can get everything else in. The only thing holding me up is the speakers. I was going to do 6X9's in the dash but have decided that I do not want to modify the AC duct. I will probably do a 4" round with some little tweeters in the dash and some decent 4X6's in the B pillar. I have a complete factory sub woofer setup I will use but I will look for a small amp instead of using the factory one.

I have also started a "new" glass project. I will post pics when I get it closer to what I am wanting. I'll keep it a secret for now just in case it does not turn out. More later.

Pat


revin MSG #172, 12-09-2009 03:41 PM
      Pat,
a 6x9 box will fit right behind your head, on the ledge, jamed up against the headrest.

Be sure to run wires before you put it all back together! like rear speaker wire, amp wires, and I even run a wire into the engine compartment for the "just in case" moments. Like I ran a light to the trunk, switch inside the car. or new oil pressure guage? run the electric wire or the clear tube for a manual guage.
I find it very easy to reach my "I am going to add ______ to the car next" goals when I run a extra wire.
Be sure to label it "blank" or not in use, or for trunk lite, oil pressure, etc.

OR NOT!

Have you looked into what you will be covering the console with yet??


katatak MSG #173, 12-09-2009 07:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Pat,
a 6x9 box will fit right behind your head, on the ledge, jamed up against the headrest.

Be sure to run wires before you put it all back together! like rear speaker wire, amp wires, and I even run a wire into the engine compartment for the "just in case" moments. Like I ran a light to the trunk, switch inside the car. or new oil pressure guage? run the electric wire or the clear tube for a manual guage.
I find it very easy to reach my "I am going to add ______ to the car next" goals when I run a extra wire.
Be sure to label it "blank" or not in use, or for trunk lite, oil pressure, etc.

OR NOT!

Have you looked into what you will be covering the console with yet??


Thanks Revin for the tips. Actually, the XTC has a set of Sony 6X9 Explod's mounted in some really nice boxes behind the head rest. Although they sound great, they do tend to rattle my brain a little but is in an option. I'm with you on the "extra wire" to the truck thing. I picked up some manual gauges (OP and Temp) today and I will be running those donw the console to the motor plus the wiring for the Volt meter. I also need to run a power cable for whatever amp I use but I think I'm going to mount the battery up front. The PO has it sitting inthe rear trunk on the left ledge and it's a little shaky.

As for the console, Sofa King and I are thining about going in on a couple of kits from a company in Germany called Lunitec. Check this stuff out. It's spendy though. We have to see how are funds are after the holidays.

http://www.lederoptik.de/

We have to buy a minimum of 4 kits - of the "Instant" aerosol kits (3 cans per kit). I thnk one kit would do the entire console. The product itself is not too bad, it's the shipping of Haz Mat into the US that's expensive. We've been looking all over for something similar in the US but no luck yet.


katatak MSG #174, 12-09-2009 09:05 PM
      And now for today's installment of ....................."As the Resin Cures".

Just more glass work and smoothing of the rear console.

All sanded and ready for the next layers:



Smoothing out some low spots:


Another layer or 2 of glass:



I'm getting close now. I think one or 2 more layers on the top, face and bottom and then the sanding begins!

More later.

Pat


katatak MSG #175, 12-11-2009 12:30 AM
      Let's get ready to sand! I finished laying on the glass today and then saaded it smooth. Then is was time to fill the low spots so I spread on the filler. Now it looks like caca....... I will transorm it tomorrow with a marathon sanding session. While I was waiting on the filler to setup, I took a bunch of scrap mat and cloth glass and made a panel for my next project. I need a "thick" panel so I piled it on.

This will take a lot of sanding to clean it up:




And my extra thick panel:



More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-11-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #176, 12-11-2009 08:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I have also started a "new" glass project. I will post pics when I get it closer to what I am wanting. I'll keep it a secret for now just in case it does not turn out. More later.


awe man... Secrets, secrets, are no fun. Secrets, secrets, hurt someone



Sofa King MSG #177, 12-11-2009 08:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Now it looks like caca...


LOL! I don't think it looks like "caca"... LOL!!! I don't think I've used that term in 20 years... that cracked me up!

The console is looking good! What's the plan? Tell me tell me tell me. It's the holidays, Pat... the time for giving?


fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #178, 12-11-2009 09:18 AM
      Pat,
This is looking good. Sometimes I don't think outside the "box" but your comment on getting rid of the lighter (I'd be moving it) gave me a great idea. I think IF I build one, I will put the retractable cup holders there in the place of the lighter.
So what ever happened to the Indy that you refered to in the beginning of this thread?



Sofa King MSG #179, 12-11-2009 10:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Pat,
This is looking good. Sometimes I don't think outside the "box" but your comment on getting rid of the lighter (I'd be moving it) gave me a great idea. I think IF I build one, I will put the retractable cup holders there in the place of the lighter.
So what ever happened to the Indy that you refered to in the beginning of this thread?



Hi F,

Unfortunately there is no room under the console to fit a cup holder - I already looked. There is a DL connector on the right and a small notch in the console subframe for the lighter to point downward on the left - but other than that - ZERO room. That's why I had to build the armrest on top of the console I'm building to accomodate the cup holder. Have you started a custom build?

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-11-2009).]

katatak MSG #180, 12-11-2009 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierocarparts:

Pat,
This is looking good. Sometimes I don't think outside the "box" but your comment on getting rid of the lighter (I'd be moving it) gave me a great idea. I think IF I build one, I will put the retractable cup holders there in the place of the lighter.
So what ever happened to the Indy that you refered to in the beginning of this thread?



Still working a deal on the Indy. I am hoping by the 1st of the year, the deal will be done.

Pat


katatak MSG #181, 12-11-2009 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


LOL! I don't think it looks like "caca"... LOL!!! I don't think I've used that term in 20 years... that cracked me up!

The console is looking good! What's the plan? Tell me tell me tell me. It's the holidays, Pat... the time for giving?


Hey Greg,

Seeing how it is the Holiday Season, I did not want to use foul language...........(snicker snicker). Ok, no secrets. I just did not want to say anything in case it turned out bad but I got a good start on it today and it's going to work out great. I'm building a custom face plate/gauge pod/thingie to hold 3 - 2" gauges in the Pod. I'll post up some pics later.

Pat


katatak MSG #182, 12-12-2009 03:16 AM
      Alright, time for another update. I had planned on getting an early start on the console today as I had planned on taking the day off.........Work prevailed so I ended up working most the day. I met up with Frizlefrak and Rick88 for lunch around noon and ofcourse, when you get 3 or more Fiero nuts together, it's not long before a few hours have gone by. We stopped by Rick88's house to see his latest acquisition. It is the first one I have ever seen in person. It is a beautiful car and now I want one...... Here's a few shots of Rick's new Fiero.











And a very nice 88 GT to boot:


I finally got back home and went to work on the console around 3:30. Finsihed up around 1 am.

More to come!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #183, 12-12-2009 03:52 AM
      Made some progress on the rear console tonight. Lots and lots of sanding,









katatak MSG #184, 12-12-2009 03:54 AM
      And more sanding!











katatak MSG #185, 12-12-2009 03:55 AM
      Then some clean up!

Went around the part and circled all the holes with a sharpie:


[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #186, 12-12-2009 03:58 AM
      After I vacumed up all the dust, I put some filler primer on to show me where I need more work. Got a lot of work still to do.







On to the Gauge Pod!


katatak MSG #187, 12-12-2009 04:16 AM
      I wanted to try my hand at building a custom gauge pod face plate to hold 3 - 2" gauges (H2O temp, OP and Volts). I wanted to angle the gauges toward the driver but was not sure how to do it. I have been reading Archie's Mirua Project and trying to glean as much knowledge as I could. At first, I thought I would just make some fiberglass "rings" to mount the gauges into. Heck, Archie's guys make it look pretty easy. I should be able to do that. Guess what? It is way tougher than it looks. It takes a lot of talent and experience to make nice round fiberglass tubes/parts. After several attempts, I failed miserably. I had given up on the idea pretty much and was going to make a flat plate, drill 3 holes and mount the guages flat in the gauge pod. Last night I was out in the shop rummaging around my various boxes of junk and came across a piece of 2" PVC pipe. Much to my surprise, the 2" gauge fit perfect. Click....the light bulb came on.

Today, I cut 3 pieces off the pipe - 3/4" wide. I took a stock gauge pod face plate and traced it out onto the extra think panel I made last night then cut it out slighty larger than the trace. I then used my bench sander to "shape" the new face plate to fit the pod. Then I drilled the 4 mounting holes and laid out the 3 gauge holes. Off to the drill press. I messed up and used the wrong size hole saw so the holes were a little bigger than I wanted them to be. Fiberglass is so forgiving. You can fix just about any goof you make.

Roughing out the face plate:


Test fitting in the pod: I know, the pod is warped. I will replace this one with a better one once I am done mocking it up.


Checking it out on the AC surround:


The Gauges I will use have the threaded lock ring on the back. I had to cut down the locking ring so it would fit the rings:

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #188, 12-12-2009 04:29 AM
      Next I had to fit up the 3 rings. I simply "super glued" the rings in place. It took a little bit of patience but I got them pretty close to where I wanted them: You can see just how big the holes were. My bad!


You can see here that I got the right one "off" the angle slightly. I will adjust the other 2 to match later:


Checking the fit: Look at those huge gaps! Looks like Caca........



Once I got them close, I cut some (2) mat fiberglass the same shape as the plate. Then I mixed up some resin and glassed the back side.


When the glass was set on the back side, I turned it over and used some epoxy to fill the "gap" in the "too" large holes I made.

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #189, 12-12-2009 04:38 AM
      Now with the gauges sitting at an angle in the face plate, I had to grind off the 2 screw bosses inside the pod. These are the 2 screw bosses thatt hold the stock gauges in the pod. There's no going back now!



Now some more test fitting:








Then some sanding and filling:


And some filler primer to find the spots that need work:




[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #190, 12-12-2009 04:47 AM
      One last post before I hit the sack. I am working on a custom 3rd brake light cover and I needed to remove the light from the car. I had not paid any attention to this when I pulled the headliner out. I am amazed that more Fiero's are not burned to the ground due to this. This is the 4th one I have seen this way.





Pretty scary if you think about it. Imagine, sitting at a traffic light in rush hour traffic and all of the sudden you smell smoke. That's when you notice the headliner is on fire above and behind you. I'll need to figure out a fix for this before I resinstall tha 3rd brake light setup. That's it for tonight.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #191, 12-12-2009 08:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Alright, time for another update. I had planned on getting an early start on the console today as I had planned on taking the day off.........Work prevailed so I ended up working most the day. I met up with Frizlefrak and Rick88 for lunch around noon and ofcourse, when you get 3 or more Fiero nuts together, it's not long before a few hours have gone by. We stopped by Rick88's house to see his latest acquisition. It is the first one I have ever seen in person. It is a beautiful car and now I want one...... Here's a few shots of Rick's new Fiero.











And a very nice 88 GT to boot:


I finally got back home and went to work on the console around 3:30. Finsihed up around 1 am.

More to come!

Pat



Well the cat is out of the bag now.....Pat, if I had known you were going to post my Fiero's on Pennocks, I would have posed them better for you.

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 12-12-2009).]

katatak MSG #192, 12-12-2009 12:22 PM
      Spy photo's Rick...... When you get it the way you want it, we will have to do a "photo shoot". It's a great car and you made a great find. I am completely jealous.......

Pat



Tony Kania MSG #193, 12-12-2009 01:06 PM
      Love where you are going with the interior.

On the subject of the third brake light...I had a small fire in the one on my old 86 GT back in the day. Actually got flagged down by a motorist that noticed sparking in the light housing. Melted the piss out of the housing, and wrecked the headliner. Crazy thing is that with the windows down, I did not even smell the burnt plastic. Can you imagine that thing smoldering? You come out in the morning to a crispy Fiero!

Oh yeah......Go to bed Pat! With the time zone differences, sometimes I wonder if you are a vampire.

Tony

Nice Mera Rick!


katatak MSG #194, 12-12-2009 03:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Love where you are going with the interior.

On the subject of the third brake light...I had a small fire in the one on my old 86 GT back in the day. Actually got flagged down by a motorist that noticed sparking in the light housing. Melted the piss out of the housing, and wrecked the headliner. Crazy thing is that with the windows down, I did not even smell the burnt plastic. Can you imagine that thing smoldering? You come out in the morning to a crispy Fiero!

Oh yeah......Go to bed Pat! With the time zone differences, sometimes I wonder if you are a vampire.

Tony

Nice Mera Rick!


Hey Tony,

Thanks for checking in on me.....lol. I was up late because my 16 year old started his first job last night - bu boy at Applebee's and I had to go pick him up @ 12:30 so instead of watching the boob tube, I decided to get some stuff done. I'm paying for it today though.

Pat


katatak MSG #195, 12-12-2009 03:48 PM
      I got up early and went to the mega pull to get a 3rd brake light fixture. I found 2 that were not in too bad of shape but every single one was melted to some extent. I just found out about these Fiero's a few weeks ago. They have been picked pretty clean but there are still quite a few good useable pieces - mainly screws and things. They are all Notchies - 84's and 85's.

Poor old Fiero's:






Sorry Greg, all the door panels are in pretty poor shape - been out in the West Texas Sun for years. If anyone needs something, let me know and I can check it out. I fear these are about ready to his the crusher!


katatak MSG #196, 12-12-2009 03:55 PM
      While I was in the junk yard this morning, I went on Arm Rest/Console/Drink Holder quest. I found a couple that had promise. The first one I like but I would have to cut a few recessed holes in the rear console and I was not sure there would be enough room. The second one I bought and will play with it. It's out of a Volvo. The arm rest is a little narrow and I'm not sure how it will look in the Fiero but it has a cool recessed 2 cup cup holder that I can take out of the arm rest and maybe incorporate it into something like Soaf King is doing.

Here's the first one:



Here's the one I brought home:


I took off the original monuting bracket. Thinking I might ount this to the rear console in the Fiero. It's a littl tall and a little narow?



More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #197, 12-12-2009 03:58 PM
      Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Look what else I scored!




Got all four with caps and lugs in near perfect shape for 14.99 each. Off of a 96 Baretta Z26..........

Later!


katatak MSG #198, 12-12-2009 06:32 PM
      I had to hurry back to the junk yard to claim my new wheels so I did not get a chance to take a look at the arm rest earlier. I just got back from the yard picking up my wheels and went out to the shop to take a look. I'm not feeling the arm rest on the console but I think I wll try and figure out how to use the cup holder.

The arm ret with cup holder setting on the console - I think it's too high and not wide enough:



I like the cup holder though so I may have to follow Sofa King's lead and build a custom housing for it. This one is kind of cool as it has 4 cup holders - 2 slide out the fron and 2 slide out the back.



Some of my other little treasures I picke dup today:



I had to come home and get a jack and a lug wrench so I could go back and get the wheels. As I was carrying the Jack into the yard, a guy stopped me and told me that I could not take the jack into the yard....WTF? So I threw the jack back in the truck and headed out to the car anyway. The fronts were alrady off. I took the lug nuts off the rears and then tried to figure out how I was going to get the car up to get the wheels off. The car was sitting on the chasiss in the sand so I dug the sadn out from under the tires till the suspension was hanging then I was able to get them off. I did not want the beat tires that were on the rims so I had the guy at the yard remove them. I had 3 perfect condition center caps. The first one he trows up on the tire machine and puncded a hole in the center cap. Then he beats the heck out of the rim gettin the tire off. Then he litterally throws the rim off the machine onto the conrete floor. I say "hey man, I want the rims, take it easy.... He syas "Oh, I thought you wanted the tires". How dense can you be? The tires are cracked and bald and junk. What would I want the crap tires for? Some people! ANyway, he managed to destroy another center cap so now I need to find 3 good caps instread of one. Then the check out lady wanted to charge me extra for the 2 broke caps and the one good one. I don't think so..... Anyway, I got them home in one piece. A couple have a littl curb reash but it's nothing I can't clean up.




Pat


Rick 88 MSG #199, 12-12-2009 06:48 PM
      And what are these wheels going on? I cant believe the idiot broke your center caps. I'll keep a lookout for some. I don't know if you can still get new ones. Send me a part number and I will check at work for you.

katatak MSG #200, 12-12-2009 06:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

And what are these wheels going on? I cant believe the idiot broke your center caps. I'll keep a lookout for some. I don't know if you can still get new ones. Send me a part number and I will check at work for you.


Hey Rick,

These will be going on the V8 Coupe.....I've been looking for a set of decent 16" rims for awhile as I have a brand new set of 16" tires in my storage shed. I'll see if there is a part number on the one good cap and give you a call. I'm wondering if any of the Pontiac wheels have a center cap that will fit? I'd like to have the Pontiac symbol on the caps but I also like the bow tie - ties in with the 350..... The hunt begins.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #201, 12-12-2009 08:17 PM
      I don't recall a Pontiac wheel with that large cap but I will check some old factory brochures. Those wheels look like they are going fast already! Seems appropriate they are going on the V8 car.

fierocarparts (doyouneedparts@yahoo.com) MSG #202, 12-13-2009 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hi F,

Unfortunately there is no room under the console to fit a cup holder - I already looked. There is a DL connector on the right and a small notch in the console subframe for the lighter to point downward on the left - but other than that - ZERO room. That's why I had to build the armrest on top of the console I'm building to accomodate the cup holder. Have you started a custom build?



Haven't started a custom console build yet. I was thinking maybe the cup holders from the Soltice/Sky but I guess not. Keep up the good work Pat.



katatak MSG #203, 12-13-2009 12:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

I don't recall a Pontiac wheel with that large cap but I will check some old factory brochures. Those wheels look like they are going fast already! Seems appropriate they are going on the V8 car.


Well I searched the World Wide Web and could only find one center cap for the 96 Berreta Wheel. Maybe I wount use any caps. Get some nice chrome lug nuts and find a Pontiac center cap that will fit the center hole?



I could not find any that were approx 6"overall and 5-3/4" on the clips? Maybe I can find some through AC Delco? They will be spendy probably.

Any ideas?

Pat


Sofa King MSG #204, 12-13-2009 02:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I wanted to try my hand at building a custom gauge pod face plate


Pat

WOW!!!! What can I say. That is really cool! Again... raising the bar! I love it! I wouldn't worry too much about the gaps between the PVC pipe and the trim panel - the space alows for extra play to reposition - nothing a little body filler and 10 hours of sanding can't cure, right? I'm really impressed.

I did have another idea - which you might hate me for... what do you think of this idea?

Why not create a second trim and plate piece similar to the one you're working for the gauge plate. This piece would mount directly behind the first trim piece but mounted to the dash? You could put anything in the trim piece - GPS, more gauges, clock, etc... I did a little measuring and it might work - it wouldn't interfere with the view out the windshield at all and should be level with the bottom of the windshield.

Just an idea...

Again the gauge panel is sweet! Beautiful work. OK, I gotta go back to the garage and start raising the bar!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-13-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #205, 12-13-2009 03:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I'm not feeling the arm rest on the console but I think I wll try and figure out how to use the cup holder.


P,

Look on EBay for an Audi or WV armrest / cup holder. I think those are wide enough and definately meet the low profile you're looking for. I went through 4 or 5 armrest / ideas before making the decision to fabricate my own. The Audi would have been perfect but it was a little pricey.

But I do like your idea of the cup holder. One cannot have enough cup holders. OH! If you don't want to fabricate an armrest also look for a 91 door panel cup holder from a Firebird / Trans Am. That would also work - and look stock!

OK, back to work



katatak MSG #206, 12-13-2009 06:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


P,

Look on EBay for an Audi or WV armrest / cup holder. I think those are wide enough and definately meet the low profile you're looking for. I went through 4 or 5 armrest / ideas before making the decision to fabricate my own. The Audi would have been perfect but it was a little pricey.

But I do like your idea of the cup holder. One cannot have enough cup holders. OH! If you don't want to fabricate an armrest also look for a 91 door panel cup holder from a Firebird / Trans Am. That would also work - and look stock!

OK, back to work


I spent some time this morning looking at it the arm rest I picked up. I decided that the entire arm rest was too high and too narrow. I pulled the cup holder out and then sat ahd looked at it for an hour. I went out the the Fomula and set it in there and cam e to the conclusion that I did not like it. First I would have to mount it off center in a custom setup like yours becuase of the length of the cup holder extended. Even then it would still be close to the shifter in 4th gear - probably worse with a 6 spd. I can however, mount this cup holder on the passenger side under the dash for the passenger - I may adapt this one inot the XTC later on. So now I am back to the riginal plan. A smooth, clean, seamless console. I did some sadnind on the rear console and filled a few more small holes.

I also put the battery charger on the car today and fired it up for awhile. Found a huge vacuum leak - no wonder I could not get the timing and the carb adjusted right on it. The PO hag a Tee coming off the manifold and split to each valve cover/PVC. The hoses are covered with electrical sheathing. I found that the Tee was smaller than the hose and he had it taped up with electrical tape. Huge vac leak. Once I fixed that, she cleaned right up and was running great when I shut it off. I got called into work @ 1:00 so no more work on it today.

Pat


katatak MSG #207, 12-13-2009 10:48 PM
      I got off work about 5:30 so I rushed out to the shop and went to work. Lots of sanding and priming and sanding and filling and....well -lots of work.

I had some pits to fill on the AC surround:


Sanded with 80, 120, 220, and 400 grit till it was smooth!



Then I did some sanding and primng on the Gauge face and the Pod then gave them a coat of "color"!



After I primed the AC surround, I started putting things together to see what it was looking like:




Got to load some more pics!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-13-2009).]

katatak MSG #208, 12-13-2009 10:55 PM
      Then I sanded on the shifter cover and the rear console. Same thing - sanded with 80, 120, 220 and then 400 grit till it was smooth.

No matter how many times I do this, I always find spots that need filling:

Marked up again for repair:


After the filler was set, more sanding and then a coat of primer:


Still found some places for repair:


Coming together:



Found some spots in the shift cover:

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-13-2009).]

katatak MSG #209, 12-13-2009 11:15 PM
      Then I put some "color" on the rear console. It amazes me how different colors show different flaws. After all I did this evening, I have a lot more to do. Lots of sanding still to go to get it the way I want it. My neighbor came over to see what I was doing and he was telling me that his brother does custom upholstery work. We got to talking and I think I will take the console to his brother tomorrow and see what he will charge me to cover it all in leather. All this work to make it smooth and now I'm thinking of covering it up....... I'm sick I tell ya...Fiero sick!

This is the color grey I want the console to be. It matches the lower half of the dash and the vinyl on the door panels.



And the console all together:




The console looks a lot darker than the gauge pod but I think it's due to the low light inthe shop. The gauge pod is refelcting the flash of the camera. Anyway, That's it till I decide whether or not to cover it with leather.

While I was "at work" this afternoon, between phone calls, I managed to get some work done on the gauge cluster. Installed all new 5w bulbs and cleaned it up. Starting this week, I will be reassembling the interior. Friday it gets a new windshield, Saturday the new tires and Barreta wheels and then I'll start driving it.

More to come!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #210, 12-14-2009 08:50 AM
      P,

MAN O MAN! Fantastic. I wish I had used my original console when I started my build. The edges are nice and clean and straight. Very impressive. I'm really digging the new gauge panel. Have you considered draping it in carbon fiber? That would be very interesting.

So what's next? I know you're looking at the armrest right now. Any custom ideas coming our way?


revin MSG #211, 12-14-2009 09:37 AM
      Pat,
aww come on....after all that hard work on it and then let someone else, a stranger no dought, work on your masterpiece!!

I say you have come this far with your new found talent, why not try the upholstery your self?!?!? JUST LIKE The SOFA KING is going to do
You have some pretty straight forward angles, no really big curves.

I say, try it first on a scrap piece and see how you do! (p.s. don't get the glue on your hands ) OR maybe...go along with the process and take step by step pics for Sofa!

WHAT! no cute little glow lights? how about a led or something like this... http://www.fiberopticproducts.com/El_wire.htm ??


Sofa King MSG #212, 12-14-2009 10:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Pat,
aww come on....after all that hard work on it and then let someone else, a stranger no dought, work on your masterpiece!!

I say you have come this far with your new found talent, why not try the upholstery your self?!?!? JUST LIKE The SOFA KING is going to do
You have some pretty straight forward angles, no really big curves.

I say, try it first on a scrap piece and see how you do! (p.s. don't get the glue on your hands ) OR maybe...go along with the process and take step by step pics for Sofa!

WHAT! no cute little glow lights? how about a led or something like this... http://www.fiberopticproducts.com/El_wire.htm ??


AGREE!!! Thank you, Revin. I couldn't have said it better myself.


revin MSG #213, 12-14-2009 11:16 AM
      we'll get him in the construction zone yet!
not sure why he is not in there yet with ya Mr.King


Sofa King MSG #214, 12-14-2009 11:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

we'll get him in the construction zone yet!
not sure why he is not in there yet with ya Mr.King


AGREE!!! Thank you, Revin. I couldn't have said it better myself. LOL

Actually. I am very surprised. I'm not sure what the criteria is but Katatak, in my opinion, has certainly showed us his skills and attention to details - he makes me so angry! LOL


katatak MSG #215, 12-14-2009 03:29 PM
      SF, Revin.....I hate you guys....lol Thanks for the positive feedback. OK, you win.....I think I'll give the leather covering a shot. I'll take Revins advice and try it on a scrap piece. I think I'll make a "scale" mock up of the rear console so I can get an idea of how the materail lays on the corners? I think it would be a cool touch to add some custom stitching/seams to the leather but I have no way to achieve that unless I have someone else do it for me. Maybe I'll keep the AC surround and the rear console painted dark grey and then cover the shifter console with black leather. hen make a custom leather arm rest pad for to set on the console. I think someone makes those rear console arm rest pad/cover things?

What about a couple little tweeters in the top of the rear console? Maybe another floor/interior light on each side of the AC surround? I'm already looking at LED options for the 3rd brake light. fiero1fan has a setup but it's a bit pricey - I think I can build my own for less. Another idea I have is a luminated 4spd emblem - comes on with the park lights? My son thinks I should paint the whole center console with some sort of "custom" paint job. Like a waving US flag or "real" flames, etc. I think that would take away from the "understated" look I'm going for but I kind of like the idea. I saw a car show the other night on HD Theatre that was showing the new Bentley. The whole headliner was loaded with little LED's. During the day, you could not see the LED's but when you turn on the lights, it looked like a "stary" night! That's a little too much for me though... I have an idea for a small painted on mural/embelm for the rear console. Again, following SF's lead on the Pontiac emblem, I envision a Pontiac emblem maybe 5 or 6 inches tall. In the center of it it is tearing open and behind it you can see a Blue Chevy Bow Tie - to go with the SBC in the car? Or just a emblem that looks like the one in my Avatar. An old school V8 emblem like on late 50's Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles and Buicks. There is just so much that can be doen but when is it too much?

I am seriously thinking of some kind of storage/glove box in the rear console. There is a ton of space in there due to no ECM for the SBC! Or, I am thinking of another rear console design that would "raise" the arm rest part a few inches - make it taller so I could build in a cup holder like SF did but keep the "stock" look and then make the rear part shallow - only an inch or so off the back firewall?

I don't even have this one done and I'm thinking of redoing part of it......... Of course all this experimenting and learning will carry over into the XTC interior project this summer so I can look at like it's "research" or "training"......lol.

Thanks again guys for your comments - and your needling- making me feel guilty for thinking about letting someone else touch my project..... Thanks a lot! Looks like I get to spend more time out in the shop now!

Pat


revin MSG #216, 12-14-2009 04:10 PM
      ok I have not looked into this yet...

I was looking at new trucks and noticed something on their consoles...At the bottom near the carpet, they have a small "map pocket" next to the console ofr maybe it is built in. that would give you somewhere to put a map or paper. small enough to not hit your legs and moving the seats back and forth may be an issue depending on the size of the little pocket. Go stop by a truck dealer and take a look! you WILL want to add this --BOTH of ya'll ( maybe even me )

the tweeter thing sounds good! they have a rectangler one that would look sweet!

now about the leds.....
look on ebay for strip lights. there are a new kind that is very small diode . not the big LED's. and they have two sided tape to mount it anywhere!! I think you can cut some of them in 3 segment pieces. When mine come in I will let ya know just how cool they are!
http://motors.shop.ebay.com...907.m38.l1313&_rdc=1


Sofa King MSG #217, 12-14-2009 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

SF, Revin.....I hate you guys....lol Thanks for the positive feedback. OK, you win.....I think I'll give the leather covering a shot.


Excellent! I'm going to use you as the guinea pig - LOL! All jokes aside, I think you made the right choice. I'll be right by your side - in spirit of course...

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

What about a couple little tweeters in the top of the rear console?


Check out Archie's Miura build. On page 9 or 10 they fabricated a center console with two little speakers - very sharp looking. This should give you the inspiration you're looking for.

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

My son thinks I should paint the whole center console with some sort of "custom" paint job... I think that would take away from the "understated" look I'm going for but I kind of like the idea.... I have an idea for a small painted on mural/embelm for the rear console... There is just so much that can be doen but when is it too much?


Would a custom paint job work with the Lunitec system? I have an idea... You know how I recessed my logo? What about an embossed Pontiac logo with the number 8 in the middle - similar to the old V8 logos? You would have to create them out of fiberglass or have them professionaly machined. That would be pretty sweet? And then of course counter sink it... LOL

When is it too much? I have no idea...

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I am seriously thinking of some kind of storage/glove box in the rear console. There is a ton of space in there due to no ECM for the SBC! Or, I am thinking of another rear console design that would "raise" the arm rest part a few inches - make it taller so I could build in a cup holder like SF did but keep the "stock" look and then make the rear part shallow - only an inch or so off the back firewall?


You could make a lid that folds down and rests on the main console revealing cup holders and a HUGE storage bin? The holders could be as deep as you want since they would be hidden within the console? And there would still be room for speakers?

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I don't even have this one done and I'm thinking of redoing part of it......... Of course all this experimenting and learning will carry over into the XTC interior project this summer so I can look at like it's "research" or "training"......lol.

Thanks again guys for your comments - and your needling- making me feel guilty for thinking about letting someone else touch my project..... Thanks a lot! Looks like I get to spend more time out in the shop now!



A little R&D never hurt anybody... I enjoy all the dust. That's the best part! And you're right, I'm already looking forward to working the door panels and I haven't even finished this project. You're doing fantastic work. Keep moving forward. I'm excited about your decision to tackle the upholstry - like I said, I'm with ya. And about the needling and guilt? We all must be married - we learned it somewhere! LOL

GET BACK TO WORK, YA BUM!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-14-2009).]

katatak MSG #218, 12-14-2009 08:09 PM
      Well I went and paid a visit to the upholstery guy just to see if I could get an idea of what I was in for. Also had to see if I could get a deal on the material, etc. I took the rear console with me and we got to BSing about cars and things. Anyway, the owner siad that when I was ready, to bring everything down to his shop and he'd let me use his place to do the work - and Supervise to boot. So........ I may take him up on it but I'm still not sure I want to cover it. Here's why!

I put some color on the AC surround and the shifter console this afternoon and started mocking it up in the shop. I am really liking the smooth - plain - generic - whatever you want to call it - look. Maybe a few touchs to spark it up a bit like a nive round low profile shifter boot with a custom billet ring? Tweeters like Revin suggested on the rear console and a custom "logo" like SF's console?

I got to looking at it today and although I really like the idea of flipping down the back to reveal cup holders built into the lid, reality will not allow it. I'm a big guy and I need to hang over the console. With the cup holders there and with cups, cans or bottles in the cup holders, I would be constatnly banging it wih my forearem and elbow.

Mounted to the skeleton:

After looking it over, I found some places that need attention. I do not like the way this area fits together. I'll have to do something to fix this:

And from the side:

With the dash:







Fighting the Red X - One post at a time!
Use PIP or Die!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-14-2009).]

katatak MSG #219, 12-14-2009 08:20 PM
      One more thing.......

I worked on my short shifter today and got it installed!




And a parting shot for the evening:



Sofa King MSG #220, 12-15-2009 08:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Well I went and paid a visit to the upholstery guy just to see if I could get an idea of what I was in for. Also had to see if I could get a deal on the material, etc. I took the rear console with me and we got to BSing about cars and things. Anyway, the owner siad that when I was ready, to bring everything down to his shop and he'd let me use his place to do the work - and Supervise to boot.


I think it wonderful that the local upholstry is going to give you access to to his shop! What a treat that would be!

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I put some color on the AC surround and the shifter console this afternoon and started mocking it up in the shop. I am really liking the smooth - plain - generic - whatever you want to call it - look.


I think you can still achive the look your going for depending on how thick the material is you decide to you use. The stiching might create a little bump, but with enough pulling and very little padding, you should be able to get a nice tight look and feel - similar to the Lunitec paint. Definately work a sample piece and see how it looks. And take LOTS of pics!

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I got to looking at it today and although I really like the idea of flipping down the back to reveal cup holders built into the lid, reality will not allow it. I'm a big guy and I need to hang over the console. With the cup holders there and with cups, cans or bottles in the cup holders, I would be constatnly banging it wih my forearem and elbow.


I came to the same realization. Although a flip down lid would be nice, your arm is going to hit the lid - not good. How about this idea? Since you're not going to use the ash trays why not extend the area right of the shifter to incorporate a dual cup holder? It would stick out a little into the passenger compartment and you would have to modify the "skeleton" underneath, but that's always a possibility? OR... A slide style lid - one that slides upward and tucks away into the colsole? Then you place the cup holder "inside" the console. You would be twisting alot, but they would be out of the way. The only set back - no custom emblem.

Like you said... where does it end? The console is looking very professional. I hate you LOL


katatak MSG #221, 12-16-2009 12:51 AM
      Evening!

I spent a few hours today sorting screws and getting all the brackets and things lined out to start installing the interior. I also put the dash back together, installed the AC duct work and the 2 AC end cover's. I was going to put 6X9's in the dash and fit the duct work around the speakers but a little birdie told me what I'm getting for Xmas (some Kenwood 4X10 and 4X6 speakers) so I will wait. The dash is ready to go back in the car.

I am at the point with the console where I need to get the skeleton in the car, mount the AC surround and the rear console so I can finish the shifter cover. When I had it setup on the bench, there were some areas that I did not like the look of the fit. If I were to finish it on the bench, I am sure it would not fit together right once in the car. Tommorow afternoon I will start putting the interior back in the car.

I did figure out how I will attach the shift console to the skeleton and I cut the hole for the shifter. Again, where the shift cover and the rear console come together looked bad so this evening I started building an inner lip on the shift cover. It will fit snuggly to the rear console and fill in the ugly gap that I have. The stock shift cover is screwed to the skeleton with 4 screws. I will use the same mounts for the new one but will also add two more at the rear - screwed to the rear console with some well nuts and screws. This resolves two issues. One is that the entire console will be more ridgid and secure and not depend solely on the weak ass skeleton to hold it all together and two: will eliminate any rattling and rubbing bewteen the shift console and the rear console. At least that's my theroy! When I got the shift cover screwed down, the fit at the AC console looked like caca too. Before I do any "adjusting", I will get it in the car to see what it looks like.

The shifter cover screwed down:


I cut a "template" out of thin ply to get the shape right before I cut a bunch of fiberglass:


Then transfered to a parts panel and cut it to fit:


Trimmed down and glued to the inside of the shift cover:


Test fitting:


I recessed the "flange" slightly so I can lay a few layers on the outside face for strength and "tie in". I think the corners of the shift cover need to be "rounded" more to match the AC surround and the rear console:


On the inside of the shift cover, I layed in some glass to strengthen the flange and tie it into the rest of the structure. Tommorow I will trim it up and then work the outside. Once I get the pieces in the car, I can give it a final adjustement for that perfect fit:



Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-16-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #222, 12-16-2009 07:58 AM
      Nice work. As always... you bum! I'm looking forward to when it's installed.

I had an idea for the Pontiac V8 Logo design. This is just a rough design but I think it would really show off the console


Also...




Hope you like the designs. ok... I gotta get back to real work. ugh

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-16-2009).]

revin MSG #223, 12-16-2009 09:14 AM
      dam sofa!
I don't know what is better the designs you make or the glassing!!!
What program do you use? can you teach me???


katatak MSG #224, 12-16-2009 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

dam sofa!
I don't know what is better the designs you make or the glassing!!!
What program do you use? can you teach me???


I agree Revin! That is perfect. I am really liking the second pic. That is freaking awesome. I can barely use "paint"! I'll be working on a new project this afternoon.


Sofa King MSG #225, 12-16-2009 01:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I agree Revin! That is perfect. I am really liking the second pic. That is freaking awesome. I can barely use "paint"! I'll be working on a new project this afternoon.


Hey P,

Thanks, man! That's the ulitmate compliment. I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing the console! No work for me tonight. I'm fighting a bug and I'm freakin' wiped out! I'm struggling... just to... type... this message... that's how... devoted I am... to the... Fiero...

Anyway... are you going to look into having the logo made? I don't know what it would cost but I'm sure there is someone on the forum who knows AutoCad or an application that can create a 3D model for you to take to a machine shop -

HEY!!!! You might have just started a new business???? Even though I don't have a V8 - I'd take one!


Sofa King MSG #226, 12-16-2009 02:51 PM
      Hey P,

One of the things I just noticed about the stock console is the unevenness about it - why it took so long is beyond me? There are three separate pieces with 5 different levels and angles. I've been looking at various pics of concept interiors, even stock ones, and all the consoles are all even - the same level. I understand why the Fiero designers designed it that way - so you had access to various parts of of the car. I'm going to fool around with some designs.

Please do not think I'm discrediting what you've done - NO WAY! I love the work you've done so far. I was just thinking how different / easier it would have been, for me, to design and work with something a little more straight forward. Does that make sense? Something like this...



Enjoy




katatak MSG #227, 12-16-2009 09:06 PM
      That first pic is exaclty what I want! I just don't know how you could install it. It might need a split/seam in it somewhere but I like it. Can you say console project #2? I hate you....... Now I have something else to build.

I'm going to take a run at making that emblem myself. I have a few ideas and played around with it a little today. We'll see what I can come up with.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-16-2009).]

katatak MSG #228, 12-16-2009 09:15 PM
      A little off Fiero topic to start with tonight but I had to go to Santa's workshop today and pick up a package!

My Monte's new heart!


And for all the SBC expert's, tell me what is wrong with the 2 above pics?

Ok, Ok so I don't get flamed for not posting in the right place, here's some Fiero stuff.

I did a little work on the shift console:


More in a bit after the Mythbusters skip a Fiero across a pond!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-16-2009).]

katatak MSG #229, 12-16-2009 09:35 PM
      That poor Fiero on Mythbusters.....so sad! Anyway, here's what I did today.

Got my headliner in:



Got the skeleton in:


And the Dash:



And the rear console:



Mostly wanted to get the console pieces in to see how they fit together in the car. When he shift console cures, I will trim it up and see how it all fits together. Then the finish work starts.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #230, 12-16-2009 10:26 PM
      Looking good!!!!

katatak MSG #231, 12-16-2009 11:04 PM
      Thanks Rick.

Sofa King MSG #232, 12-17-2009 07:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

That first pic is exaclty what I want! I just don't know how you could install it. It might need a split/seam in it somewhere but I like it. Can you say console project #2? I hate you....... Now I have something else to build.

I'm going to take a run at making that emblem myself. I have a few ideas and played around with it a little today. We'll see what I can come up with.

Pat



Hey P,

I'm with you. My next project will be to tackle the entire console, like you did, and redesign the entire shifter console assembly, armrest and radio console. I have some ideas floating around but I'm conflicted between doing something totally radical and staying with the stock look and feel of the original car. I'll figure it out eventually. I think you're right though. There would have to be a break someplace - either before the shifter or at the radio. I modified the pic just a bit that included an armrest, cubby next to the radio and adjusted the sides of the console due to the taper that armrest console has. I excluded the shifter, power window switchs and power mirror switch - don't know what your plan is for those yet.



Also, please post pics of you're tackling the emblem. I would really like to see how you're going to do this - not that I don't have faith - I DO! I just want to see what steps you're going to take. I'm assuming you'll be painting and detailing the emblem?

Stop reading and get back to work.

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-17-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #233, 12-17-2009 07:13 AM
      P,

The headliner looks fantastic! What material did you use? I want one! LOL

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-17-2009).]

revin MSG #234, 12-17-2009 09:34 AM
      You could make the white part the lid of the console... sorry third pic. or even the 2nd, maybe not as long..

Also I think the crank is in the wrong place on the engine

S, looks like black vinyl. crap you guys are out doing me again!

STOP MAKING ME STEP UP MY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;p

[This message has been edited by revin (edited 12-17-2009).]

BlackThunderGT MSG #235, 12-17-2009 01:03 PM
      Looking good Pat



katatak MSG #236, 12-17-2009 10:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey P,

I'm with you. My next project will be to tackle the entire console, like you did, and redesign the entire shifter console assembly, armrest and radio console. I have some ideas floating around but I'm conflicted between doing something totally radical and staying with the stock look and feel of the original car. I'll figure it out eventually. I think you're right though. There would have to be a break someplace - either before the shifter or at the radio. I modified the pic just a bit that included an armrest, cubby next to the radio and adjusted the sides of the console due to the taper that armrest console has. I excluded the shifter, power window switchs and power mirror switch - don't know what your plan is for those yet.

<IMG SRC="http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy63/TheSofaking/Con04.jpg">

Also, please post pics of you're tackling the emblem. I would really like to see how you're going to do this - not that I don't have faith - I DO! I just want to see what steps you're going to take. I'm assuming you'll be painting and detailing the emblem?

Stop reading and get back to work.



Greg, you've been busy. If I wait long enough, you will hit the perfect look......Although I think your last rendering is nearly there. One though is to maybe "slope" the AC surround some?

As soon as I start working the emblem, I'll post plenty of pics - even my fubar's (plannng on using your "foam" for some of it). Yes I plan on painting it. I am going to try my hand at the air brush thing next....I've always wanted to try it - now's the time.

Nothing accomplished today. I had planned on an afternoon of interior work but my boss made other plans for me. Maybe tomorrow!

Pat


katatak MSG #237, 12-17-2009 10:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

The headliner looks fantastic! What material did you use? I want one! LOL



It's cheap fake vinyl fabric. Like a animal print with a little leather like embossing. It was ultra thin and ultr light and had good stretch. I bought it at the "Hobby Lobby" for 6.43 a yard..... It looks really good but it does not handle dust too well. I (like a big dummy) had it in the shop during all the fiberglass work and it had about an inch of dust on it. It was hearly dark when I put it in and I just wiped it down with a towel. When I looked at it this morning, it looks like caca..... It will clean up ok though - just more work!

Pat


katatak MSG #238, 12-17-2009 10:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

You could make the white part the lid of the console... sorry third pic. or even the 2nd, maybe not as long..

Also I think the crank is in the wrong place on the engine

S, looks like black vinyl. crap you guys are out doing me again!

STOP MAKING ME STEP UP MY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;p



Hey Revin,

Now I know why I could not get the rods to bolt up. I knew there was something not right about my crank install........lol.

I made up some new cuss words for the Fiero while I was installing that headliner. Even made my dog run off and hide under the deck...... I have 2 more of them things to do too!


katatak MSG #239, 12-17-2009 10:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:

Looking good Pat


Thanks!...... I wish I had got some more done today. I was hoping to drive it to the glass shop on Saturday for a new windshield. I might have to improvise and sit on a milk crate. I'll take pics if I do......


katatak MSG #240, 12-18-2009 02:10 AM
      Some ideas I have for an emblem:





I like this carbon fiber look too!


I like this look too but change the 389 to 350 or 383?


I know, I know - it's late and I should rest up so I can work on the car tommorow but I am still working......My boss can be a major league slave driver when he wants to be!

Pat


katatak MSG #241, 12-18-2009 02:59 AM
      I'm no artist but I got ideas!





Page 7 Ownage......Yes!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-18-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #242, 12-18-2009 09:55 AM
      Those are great! I like the 350 best!

katatak MSG #243, 12-18-2009 02:38 PM
      I hope to get the console fitted up this afternoon and start heading toward finishing the thing.....Just cause I want to start another adventure in fiberglass. Heading to the mega pull in 30 minutes to scrounge around. I also need a gas peddle for the Formula.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #244, 12-18-2009 06:30 PM
      You have been officially moved!

katatak MSG #245, 12-18-2009 07:55 PM
      Pretty cool. Now I don't have to bounce back and forth. All y favorite threads are right here in Construction.

katatak MSG #246, 12-18-2009 08:26 PM
      Now for today's action. I installed the shift cover in the car today and I am not real excited about how it is looking.




I think it will look better with some smoothing, rounding and finishing but it still has that "block" look. It is pretty close to what the stock setup looks like though:
XTC console:

V8 Coupe:


So........ I have a few ideas that I'd like some opinions on.

#1: Build in a slope from above the cig lighter position to the shift cover. Not sure how to explain it but it will form a small "covey" between the shift console and the slope in the rear console where the cig lighter was mounted- it will hold a cell phone, etc and keep it form sliding off between the seats.


2: Build a "new" shift cover that fits as close to flush as possible or extend the rear console forward to meet the AC surround.


3: Same as above but add a slope to the AC surround with the same angle as the rear console. Then I could either "stair step" the Stereo/AC control/AC vent or mount them flush in the face of the slope?


Now don't flame me for my artistic skills. I can't draw a straight line with a straight edge andmy comp skills are limited to MS Paint and my crooked eye.

I also went to the Mega Pull today as we needed a new gas peddle for the Formula. I picked up this for my little V8 emblem project.

I have an idea to have a plate milled out of aluminum in the shape of the Pontiac "Arrow" with a "8" built in to it. The "Arrow" portion of the plate will be maybe 1/8" larger than this factory emblem. Or with a pocket milled into it that the emblem will sit down inside of to give it some definition. Then I will affix the factory embelm to the milled plate. Hope that makes sense?

Thanks Cliff for moving this to the Construction Zone.

Pat


katatak MSG #247, 12-19-2009 09:07 PM
      After looking at it a lot more, I am still not crazy about the shift console and the way it fits. So I have desided to try something different. I am going to make a mold for a console piece that will fit over the rear console and the AC surround. I may mold it into the rear console so that it is all one piece. There will be a seam where the rear console and the AC surround come together. There are a few "level" differences but I think I can "chop & channel the cover once I get the basic shape. I spent an hour wandering around the craft store looking for the right stuff to build the tunnel out of. I picked up some foarm board - foam sandwiched between 2 heavy pieces of paper/cardboard. I took about 20 measurement of the console as it sits in the car and came up with a basic shape for the cover. I have no idea if this will work or not but I'm going for it.

Foam core board - 1.99 a sheet:


I layed out some "ribs" on some thin ply for added strength and cut them out with the jig saw:



After getting all the lines layed out on the foam board, I made 2 cuts with a razor knife. Not all the way through the board, just the first paper layer and part of the foam. Then I made the bends and set the "ribs" in place. I use a hot glue gun to hold the "ribs" in place:




When the hot glue was set, I went for a "test" fit in the car. I am building it a little longer than it needs to be and I made the inside wide enough so that I can lay up 1/8" of glass. I can trim it to fit perfectly. If it works the way I have planned, there will only be one seam at the AC surround. It's a little "narrow" in the rear but it will sit a little further forward once trimmed.


I used some epoxy and "rounded" the inside corners to make it easier to lay in the glass.



I am not sure what I will do for release. I may get some release agent if I can find some here in town or maybe just cover the inside with packing tape and a coat of wax? I'll do some experimenting with a piece of the foam board, some resin and mat. Should be fun!

Pat




katatak MSG #248, 12-19-2009 10:25 PM
      I am tryng a little test piece. We will see if works out. This first test, I waked the insde heavily. Then covered the edges with packing tape. I layed in 3 layers of cloth lust to see if it will release when it's set. I did not radius the corners. Should know in an hour!

Pat




katatak MSG #249, 12-19-2009 11:34 PM
      Bingo Boingo Presto.......
Tada!








Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #250, 12-20-2009 05:09 PM
      "The man said Tada"

katatak MSG #251, 12-20-2009 08:43 PM
      Hey Phil.........Did the Short Bus go to a new home yet?

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-20-2009).]

katatak MSG #252, 12-20-2009 08:53 PM
      No progress today!

Got ropped into a trip to the mountains to hunt for Pine Cones for Xmas decorations! I know, I know - I live in the desert but we go up to a little town in New Mexico called "Cloudcroft". It sits at 8600 feet elevation and is all mountains and pines. It's actually amazing to drive up the road 20 miles from the desert and be in the pines and snow. It was nice but I would have rather worked on my project. I need to keep a little peace in the house - "Tis the Season". There will not be much progress this week as I will be in Denver, Colorado Springs and Pueblo till Thursday am.

I'll take this time to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #253, 12-20-2009 09:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

"The man said Tada"


I like the "bingo boingo". Very descriptive....I'll have to add that one to my vocabulary.


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #254, 12-20-2009 11:30 PM
      Looks like the Short Bus will be sticking around for awhile. Work schedule kinda killed the deal.
I finally got a few hours to myself today, and half-assed sorted out the shed.
I had no idea of some of the parts I had!
Kinda got the itch to build another one....know of any candidates?
It kinda depresses me to fire up the Solstice on the first try, everytime!
Nothing to tinker with, or repair. I just drive it 250 miles everyday.

Getting some estimates on a new garage this week. Hopefully I can get back into the game then.
I need to get that 4.9 into something. Still wanna attempt a chop top, and a few other ideas bangin around upstairs.


You have been busy on that interior! Let me know if you need any scraps or misc pieces.
The parts shed doesn't have a lock on it. If you feel like wrestling with two 200+ pound Anatolian Sheppards, you can take what you need.


Sofa King MSG #255, 12-21-2009 08:23 AM
      P,

Looking good! Love the jig! That's actually a really good idea. I've been working with foam core for years and one of the things the foam always does is warp depending on the temperature. Isn't foam core a wonderful thing?

I had no idea the wax would like that - another great find! For someone who is out picking pine cones - you came up with a some great tips and tricks! Now... as always... get back to work!


katatak MSG #256, 12-21-2009 01:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

Looks like the Short Bus will be sticking around for awhile. Work schedule kinda killed the deal.
I finally got a few hours to myself today, and half-assed sorted out the shed.
I had no idea of some of the parts I had!
Kinda got the itch to build another one....know of any candidates?
It kinda depresses me to fire up the Solstice on the first try, everytime!
Nothing to tinker with, or repair. I just drive it 250 miles everyday.

Getting some estimates on a new garage this week. Hopefully I can get back into the game then.
I need to get that 4.9 into something. Still wanna attempt a chop top, and a few other ideas bangin around upstairs.


You have been busy on that interior! Let me know if you need any scraps or misc pieces.
The parts shed doesn't have a lock on it. If you feel like wrestling with two 200+ pound Anatolian Sheppards, you can take what you need.


I knew you could not stay away from the Fiero bug for long. It's nice to have a daily dependable driver but after awhile, you miss the tinkering....or you just need a fix for your addiction. If you are going to keep the bus, that 4.9 would go nicely in there. I know where there will be a real nice - clean 88 GT 5spd car coming up for sale soon. South West Car with zero rust and nothing wrong with it. I'll keepo you posted when it's avaiable.

I need to come see you sometime soon. I need to piclk up an 88 rear bumper so I can repair the Formula. My boy is still dinking around so it looks like I'll have to fix it myself. He is getting ready to buy a new Camaro so it looks like I'll get the Formula back........It never ends....

Pat


katatak MSG #257, 12-21-2009 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

Looking good! Love the jig! That's actually a really good idea. I've been working with foam core for years and one of the things the foam always does is warp depending on the temperature. Isn't foam core a wonderful thing?

I had no idea the wax would like that - another great find! For someone who is out picking pine cones - you came up with a some great tips and tricks! Now... as always... get back to work!


Hey Greg,

This foam core board is very cool. Thanks for the heads up on this stuff. It works great. I figure I can glass the inside of it, then use the glass piece for future molds. I can always build another it was cheap and easy. After reading your thread, I will most likely follow your lead again and fab the complete console to get the look I want then go to glass with it. I don't know why it took you so long to come up with this idea........You could have saved me a lot of bad language..... Won't be getting much done this week. Looks like work is going to get busy just before the Holidays so I'm off bouncing around the country again. Sitting in the airport right now waiting on a plane.......

Later

Pat


Sofa King MSG #258, 12-21-2009 03:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I don't know why it took you so long to come up with this idea........You could have saved me a lot of bad language.....


LMAO!!!! I know... I'm a horrible human being. I should be flogged about the head and shoulders... I'm mere caca...

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
Won't be getting much done this week. Looks like work is going to get busy just before the Holidays so I'm off bouncing around the country again. Sitting in the airport right now waiting on a plane.......


That sux! Hopefully you'll be home to enjoy family and good holiday cheer! Have a safe flight.


NewKidOnTheBlock (ahowse16@yahoo.com) MSG #259, 12-21-2009 06:42 PM
      i'll tell you what... finish my V8 Coupe so i can drive it... and i'll put gas in it? ...deal...

katatak MSG #260, 12-21-2009 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NewKidOnTheBlock:

i'll tell you what... finish my V8 Coupe so i can drive it... and i'll put gas in it? ...deal...


You won't like my V8 Coupe once you start drving that new Camaro. Here's an idea, You buy the new Camaro, keep driving the Formula and I will drive the Camaro and put gas in it! ....deal....?


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #261, 12-23-2009 01:02 PM
      put me in line for that Camaro.
I'll give you the Solstice as collateral. deal?.......


katatak MSG #262, 12-24-2009 11:36 AM
      After a brief intermission due to "work", I was able to get back to the console project yesterday afternoon. My plan is to build a new (different) shift cover. This one will be the entire length of the console in an atempt to give it a smooth flat look, My goal all along was to create a console that was smooth and seamless. I am getting closer to that goal. Yesterday, I managed to get the main part of the new cover glassed and started the test fitting last night. As I was test fitting, I noticed that there is an "elevation" change from the arm rest part of the console to the AC surround. I had 2 ideas to make up the difference. One was to cut a "wedge" on each side of the cover and then slope the cover from the high point on the arm rest to the AC surround and the other was to leave it flat and build a "spacer" at the AC surround to help steady the cover. I ended up leaving it flat and at the AC end and I built in a tray to hold things!

First on the agenda was to prep the mold:


This was going to be my largest fiberglass project yet. I cut all the mat and cloth, layed out all my supplies and went to work:



Taking shape - adding some heat to help it cure - it was about 32* and snowing here yesterday:


Now here's where I messed up. I got in a rush when I was prepping the mold. I used some epoxy to "round" the corners in the mold. The epoxy I used was old and had been sitting in my shop on the shelf for about 4 years. It was not setting and was still kind of soft. I tried to scrape it off but it was tearing the paper from the foam core. So I decided to just cover over the top with packing tape. I was in such a rush to get the glass work started, I failed to wax the side walls of the mold. Once the glass was cured, I peeled the mold off. Unfortunately, the paper came off with the part. So now I have a lot more sanding to do to get the paper off the mold. I tried a small area with my sander and 50 grit and it just balled up and plugged up he sand paper. I may have to lay another layer of mat over top to cover the paper. Just makes a lot more work but I learned a vaulable lesson. Prep, prep, prep........


Trimmed and test fitting:


Trimmed some more. Once the cover fits where I want it, I will build a "cover for the rear console that will match up with this cover. Then I will glass the 2 parts together to form one part. The only visible seam will be at the AC surround and I think I can blend that to be nearly invisible.


The next step was to build the tray that will set between the shifter and the AC surround. The "lid" off the 1 gallon can of resin was a perfect model - props to Archie for sharing that little tip - look around the shop for something that will work for a mold to make the part - "The Miura Project":


I layed it out to see what I was getting into:


Then I made a mold out of foam core for the tray:


Mixed up some filler to lay in the corners to round them out:


And layed in the glass:


Trimmed up the tray:


Cut the hole. I cut the hole about 1/4" smaller than the tray. Once it's all one piece, I will snad the lip down so that it matches the inside of the tray and blend it all together:


Fit up and clamped in place:


Joined together. This was about 12:30 last night:


As of this AM:


And in the car:


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Pat


katatak MSG #263, 12-24-2009 11:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

"The man said Tada"


Now that's funny right there. I was sitting in an airport Tuesday night and I watched a comercial for a cell phone. Now I get it......lol. It only took 3 days for me to get it! I must be getting old!

MXHNY!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-24-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #264, 12-25-2009 02:04 AM
      P,

Even with a little extra foam core it still looks great! You've got my interest going - where are you headed with the final design? hmmmmm???? The use of the resin lid - brilliant! Archie is good - really good. It sparked ideas for my own armrest and glove box. DANG IT! I want to go out to the garage and work on the console.

Question: Could you have used the plastic lid from the resin instead of creating a new one? Was the lid too big, too wide, etc? It looks really sharp so far!

Merry Christmas, buddy!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-25-2009).]

katatak MSG #265, 12-26-2009 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

Even with a little extra foam core it still looks great! You've got my interest going - where are you headed with the final design? hmmmmm???? The use of the resin lid - brilliant! Archie is good - really good. It sparked ideas for my own armrest and glove box. DANG IT! I want to go out to the garage and work on the console.

Question: Could you have used the plastic lid from the resin instead of creating a new one? Was the lid too big, too wide, etc? It looks really sharp so far!

Merry Christmas, buddy!



Thanks Greg........

The lid was the perfect size except it had a couple "steps" in it that would have made it a pain to glass over. The mold I made was a little smaller and more shallow too - better fit. You would not believe all the things I have been "measuring" to use as a mold! I look at things differently now that I am in the middle of a glass project. Got some more stuff cooking - actually curing right now. Whne I finish it this evening, I'll post it up.

Hope you and yours had a great Christmas!

Pat


katatak MSG #266, 12-26-2009 12:42 AM
      I managed to squeak out some Fiero time the last 2 days. I got a lot done but missed out on some photo ops along the way. My goal was to get the shift cover fitted and the shifter boot installed. I made a big mistake when I measured for the "center" of the shifter hole but I was able to repair my mistake.

Test fitting - found two issues here. I put the shifter boot about 1/2" too far forward. My original plan was to "blend" the rear of the shift cover into the rear console. I did not like he look of it once it was in the car.


Note the gap between the rear console upright and the shift cover.


Here's the start of my shift boot repair - I just cut a piece off the "hole" I cut out and hot glued it on top then turned it over and layed some glass and resin on the under side:


So here's my fix for the gap. I built another mold out of the foam core. I had to do some real brain work here as there are a few angles to deal with. It's hard to see in the pick but there is a slight taper in the piece from the shift cover end to the back of the rear console. It was a little work but I figured it out. This time, to create the rounded corners, I used silicone sealer and let it set. Then I covered the entire mold with packing tape and then waxed the tape before I started laying the glass:


Under the heat curing:


Here's where I failed to get some pics. After a lot of sanding and fitting, I managed to merge the 2 pieces together by laying glass underneath and a single "slurry mix of resin and glass strand on top. Then I sanded the top and sides down to smooth it out. Then set it in the car for a test fit. It's almost there. I have to fab some mount points to fasten the cover to the AC surround and the rear console, reset the shifter boot and then start the finish process:


Now the fun starts - creating huge quantities of fiberglass dust!

"MCaHNY"

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-26-2009).]

katatak MSG #267, 12-26-2009 01:29 AM
      A couple more thoughts - need some feedback.

I am thinking that I should trim the rear end of the shift cover at an angle that matches the angle of the rear console (red circle) and I am thinking about cutting in some cup holders on the right side of the shift cover. I think there is enough room so that when shifting, I will not be banging the cans/bottles in the holders? I'll have to measure to see how deep I can recess them. I may not be able to get them deep enough? Give me your thoughts/ideas/comments.



"MCaHNY"

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #268, 12-26-2009 05:30 PM
      Do the angle cut. You probably won't notice it with the seat in place but it will make you feel better. On the cupholders make sure they hold a "Big Gulp".

Sofa King MSG #269, 12-26-2009 06:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I am thinking that I should trim the rear end of the shift cover at an angle that matches the angle of the rear console


P,

GREETINGS from Las Vegas! Hope you had a great Christmas and Santa was good to you? The console is looking really sharp so far! Where are you going with this final design? I think you should go with the angled cut. From a design perspective it works even though you won't see them because of the seats.

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I am thinking about cutting in some cup holders on the right side of the shift cover. I think there is enough room so that when shifting, I will not be banging the cans/bottles in the holders? I'll have to measure to see how deep I can recess them. I may not be able to get them deep enough? Give me your thoughts/ideas/comments.


Good call - I like cup holders. LOL You might have or want to glass in an existing dual cup holder - I don't think there is enough room under the console? Although your new console did raise it a bit. I would still consider finding a dual holder and working it into the final design - anything to avoid an unnecessary fabricating and sanding. Go to www.thefind.com and type in dual cup holder. I found a few that might work for ya.

DANG IT! I really want to get home and start working!

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 12-26-2009).]

Sofa King MSG #270, 12-26-2009 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:



Who's that spying on you? Is that the shop foreman crackin the whip?


katatak MSG #271, 12-26-2009 06:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Do the angle cut. You probably won't notice it with the seat in place but it will make you feel better. On the cupholders make sure they hold a "Big Gulp".


Happy Holidays Rick........ After the last few days, it needs to be able to hold a fifth.......This is really turning out to be more work than I wanted....

Hope you had a good Christmas!

Pat



katatak MSG #272, 12-26-2009 07:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Who's that spying on you? Is that the shop foreman crackin the whip?


Wow Greg, I never noticed the "wolf" in the backgorund. You are right - she's the boss. She's pretty stealthy. I never knew she was even there!

I got absolutely zip done on the console today. I really wanted to see if the recessed cup holder would work. I got my son new dew outer dew wipes and remote door locks for the XTC for Christmas so today my plan was to get it all installed. No such luck. Lots of little things that heeded fixed once I got the Drivers door apart. Check out the XTC thread for details. Hope you are having a great time in Vegas.

Pat


N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #273, 12-26-2009 11:25 PM
      I've been lurking this topic since you started it and I love every step. I didn't know you took such attention to detail. Keep it up.

katatak MSG #274, 12-27-2009 12:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by N3M3S1S:

I've been lurking this topic since you started it and I love every step. I didn't know you took such attention to detail. Keep it up.


Thanks for the positive feedback! Everytime I think I'm getting close to the finished project, I see something, read something or find something that changes the course. I'd like to finsh this one so that I can enjoy the car and work on some new ideas without the car being torn apart. What am I saying, it's a Fiero......

Pat


katatak MSG #275, 12-27-2009 12:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Good call - I like cup holders. LOL You might have or want to glass in an existing dual cup holder - I don't think there is enough room under the console? Although your new console did raise it a bit. I would still consider finding a dual holder and working it into the final design - anything to avoid an unnecessary fabricating and sanding. Go to www.thefind.com and type in dual cup holder. I found a few that might work for ya.

DANG IT! I really want to get home and start working!



I went to that web site and found a couple that interested me - or at least the concept.

This first one I could recesss it into the side - off center - about 2".


No sure of the depth of this one but I like the look. In fact, I like the look of the entire console. Hmmm.........


"MCaHNY"

Pat


katatak MSG #276, 01-02-2010 08:09 PM
      Well after about 5 days, I was able to get back to work on the console. Lots of sanding, filling, priming, sanding, etc. etc. was the norm for the last 2 days. I had a lot more pin holes than I first thought. It's amazing how primer brings out all the little flaws. I was having a problem with static electricity on the part. After I had it all wiped down and ready to prime, as soon as I started laying a coat of primer, the fuzz stuck too it like crazy. I went a picked up some prep cloths by Dupli Color. Don't use these right out of the container - they actually caused my glazing putty to lift out of the pin holes. I found that if I let the cloth sit out and evap some before use, it worked much better. So that cost me double the prep work. I managed to get all the holes filled, everything smoothed out, a couple layers of filler pirmer and a couple layers of regular primer. Then I wet sanded it with 400 and 800.

I got the mounts figured out and mounted the shifter boot. Once I was happy with the fit (not completely but it will do for now) I took it back out of the car and gave it a few finish coats of color. As soon as all the interior is fit up and reassembly is finished, I'll take the rear console, shifter cover and AC surround back out of the car and go over each piece one last time to fix any rough spots and pin holes then I'll wet sand and give it a final coat of color. I am kicking around the idea of covering it with a clear coat but I do not want a "gloss" to it. I may try some of the "satin" clear on a test piece. I'll post up some pics in awhile.

Happy New Year!

Pat


katatak MSG #277, 01-02-2010 09:10 PM
      Ok, As promised - Pics for posterity!

After trimming and lots of sanding - it is looking better:



Marked up all the holes:



After filling and lots of sanding:


Adding filler primer:





More to come!


katatak MSG #278, 01-02-2010 09:15 PM
      A new coat of primer:


Sanded some more:


Filling the pin holes with glazing putty:


More sanding:


Then some fit up:




More to come!



katatak MSG #279, 01-02-2010 09:50 PM
      Time for some wet sanding:


Letting it dry out:


Prepped and ready for some color:



Finished for now:




I had to take my work of art in the house. If I do not like it in the car, I will hang it on a wall in the house somewhere:






After looking at these pics, I noticed that the shifter boot is slightly crooked. I can fix that by loosening the screws and giving it a little twist.

I did get the mounts figured out. I basically used a 10-24X9/16" well nuts on each corner on the side of the console. I set the shift cover in place and marked the holes on the rear console and the AC surround then drilled them out for the well nuts. I was thinking that I would need more than the 4 corners to fasten it down but it is very sturdy with just the 4. It maintains the clean smooth look I am after.

As I said earlier, I am not real pleased with the fit at the rear console/shifter cover (see red circles on the next pic). I have a plan to cure this but I will do that in phase 2 which will be a completely new console/AC surround that I am building a mold for now. This one is basically done so that I can move forward and finish the interior. The last piece of this console is a "arm rest". My plan is to purchase or make a lightly padded cover for the arm rest in grey or black leather. I can't find a pic of it anywhere and I'm not sure what it is called but I have seen these "pads" on other Fieros. I may dabble in a low profile fiberglass arm rest that will bolt to the top of the shift cover. Then I will attempt to cover it with vinyl or leather?



I was given another project today. My oldest son has been driving my 88 Formula for the last 7 months. Today he bought a 2010 Mustang so I got my 88 back. It is in need of some work as it was not very well cared for - teenagers! I will be using the Formula as my daily driver so there are some things I need to fix on it before I will be happy. Until I get it back in shape, everything else is on hold. It won;t take long. Some of you will remember that he was ran into a few months back so I will have to get the rear facia fixed and the interior needs a good cleaning plus the headliner is trashed. I found out today that he attempted to haul a 46" flat screen in the front seat and basically put a 10" rip in the headliner doing that. The car had 65k on it when I turned it over to him 7 months ago. It now has 75k! Looks like I will be rebuilding the door hinges and doing a brake job too.



Happy New Year!

Stay tuned - more to come on the V8 project!

Pat


revin MSG #280, 01-04-2010 11:27 AM
      well so much for me getting that shifter boot!
Yep had my eye on that one or two others!

pm sent


katatak MSG #281, 01-04-2010 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

well so much for me getting that shifter boot!
Yep had my eye on that one or two others!

pm sent


Did you have your eye on that one Revin? Sorry bout that! I looked and looked for a fancy round one but could not find one that fit my budget. The best looking one I could find was for an Audi TT but I never could find a price for it. The boot was cheap enough but I could not find the billet mount/ring and base pieces.

Woohoo.....Page 8 Owner!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-04-2010).]

N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #282, 01-05-2010 01:12 AM
      Will you adopt me? My dad would shoot me if I brought home a Mustang(actually, he almost kicked me out when in high school I brought home a 88 5.0 Vert Foxbody) and I don't even live with him anymore. Personally, I'd still prefer the Formula although I may be a bit partial since I own a Red Formula myself.

katatak MSG #283, 01-05-2010 04:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by N3M3S1S:

Will you adopt me? My dad would shoot me if I brought home a Mustang(actually, he almost kicked me out when in high school I brought home a 88 5.0 Vert Foxbody) and I don't even live with him anymore. Personally, I'd still prefer the Formula although I may be a bit partial since I own a Red Formula myself.


I don't know if I can afford another dependent....lol. I had gave him my 06 Dodge truck to trade in on it too plus cosigned on his loan. All that to get my Formula back...I am truly sick with the Fiero addiction. I used to have an 89 Mustang - x police car with a 347 stroker in it and a few other fun goodies. It got wrecked so I sold it for parts. I miss that car.


revin MSG #284, 01-06-2010 10:41 AM
      yeah that was a hurst shifter boot right? I was even thinking of a mini shifter boot (look on ebay) Well not to worry, I am not even there yet!
Glassed in some brackets on the dash last night for mounting. about all I did...


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #285, 01-06-2010 11:17 AM
      I had that same boot on my 88 GT. I think I picked it up at Autozone?

katatak MSG #286, 01-06-2010 08:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

I had that same boot on my 88 GT. I think I picked it up at Autozone?


I picked this one up at Pep Boys - packaged in a "Spectre" package. It works till I can find what I am looking for.

On a side note, I got a little toy in the mail today. Way back when, I bid on a MP3 amplifier on EBay. It's a little unit that has a left and right speaker out and a sub woofer out. It has 20w per channel and has a treble and bass adjustment, volume and sub volume. It has a plug in front for a MP3 player and the RCA inputs in back plus a USB input in the back. Anyway, Because it was cheap (price), I bid like 3.00 for it. I got the opening bid for 0.01 cents..... After 10 days, I won the thing for a penny. Shipping was 15.99 from - now don't flame me too bad - Hong Kong. Well it showed up today.

I hooked it up to a 12 volt battery, wired in 2 stock 88 rear speakers and a blown out fatory sub, hooked up my MP3 player and low and behold, it sounds pretty good considering the speakers are all toast. I played around with it and hooked up 2 stock fronts then I hooked up all four stock speakers and the sub and was pleasantly surprised at the sound. I think with some decent aftermarket - low budget speakers and a replacement sub, it will be perfect for the V8 Coupe. I'm not looking for some killer thunming system - just some tunes I can listen to off my MP3 as I am crusing to a car show or an afternoon run to a Fiero get together. I'll post up some pics in a bit. Heading to Best Buy and a few other places looking for budget speakers.


katatak MSG #287, 01-06-2010 11:09 PM
      Ok now don't laugh at me - I am stereo challenged and this is just an idea. Not sure how it's going to turn out. I went and picked up some Sony 3 way 4X6's and some Sony 3 way 4" rounds and 1" tweets. Hooked them all up and it sounded great except for the 4X6's - one of them is junk right out of the box so it's back to the store I go. I may get another set of the 4" cause they sound better than the 4X6's anyway. I'll build some plates to mount them in and put them in the car and see what it sounds like. If it's crap - I tried. Here's the unit I got for a penny!



Another plus this evening. Big props to "carver1" - Thanks Phil for the side marker light. I don't feel like I am driving such a wreck around now. Now I just got to get the bumper fixed. Most likely next month after the XTC is painted.




Here we go!

Pat


revin MSG #288, 01-07-2010 09:35 AM
      cool find!! So that is going in the console....WHERE??

Seems like someone needs some tunes to FINISH THE CONSOLE!

great! Now Greg is going to try to "out-do you" on this mod...too! lol


katatak MSG #289, 01-07-2010 07:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

cool find!! So that is going in the console....WHERE??

Seems like someone needs some tunes to FINISH THE CONSOLE!

great! Now Greg is going to try to "out-do you" on this mod...too! lol


I am going to try and put it in the AC surround where the stock radio was. I want to build/adapt a "door" so that it is hidden. It all depends on what I can find in the junk yard this weekend. I'll change my mind 10 times before I get it done.

Now I just seen this:

and I am thinking I like the taller - one piece look of this AC surround. Thinking I may extend mine to incorporate the the gauges in the top instead of the pod. This may mean that I need to build a new AC surround. See....it never ends.

Pat


katatak MSG #290, 01-09-2010 09:40 PM
      Spent the morning putting a throttle pedal assembly in my Formula then went to lunch with the El Paso Fiero guys. A quick lunch gathering turned into a 3 hour Fiero BS session. I would not trade it for anything. Great bunch of guys with a lot of great car stories. This afternoon I was able to get some work done on the sound system. Once I get it all setup, I can start getting the interior back together.

I made some mount plates for the 5.25 Pioneers that are going up front:



Trying to decide where to put the tweeter:


I think I will mount the tweeter to the speaker cover:


I found that I needed a little spacer under the tweeter flange so I roamed around Lowes and found a rubber sink gasket that was perfect:



Now I need to decide if I am going to just paint the covers or get some speaker cover fabric and cover them. For now, A primer coat till I figure it out. Still not sure about the tweeters.


I need to fab some plates to mount the 4" 3 way's in the B pillar. With any luck, I may get most of the interior back in the car tomorrow.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-09-2010).]

katatak MSG #291, 01-10-2010 07:24 PM
      Sunday Update!

I spent the whole day messing with speakers and speaker mounts. I had to finish the mount plates and the tweeter mounts for the dash. I ended up pulling the dash back out of the car so I could get the front speakers and tweeters to fit correctly. When that was done, I made some mount plates for the 4" speakers I am mounting in the B pillar. I managed to finish those and got the speakers mounted in the car plus I got the dash back in and started working on cleaning up the rats nest of wiring.

Front speakers fit up and I hooked up my MP3 player to see what they sounded like - turned out great. I am impressed with the difference the tweeters make.




Building the rear mount plates:



Fitting the speakers:



Back in the car:



And the dash back in:



And I finsihed the speaker covers on the "B" pillar trim:


I'll be off to sunny Cali in the AM so that's it for the week. Hopefully I'll get the interior mostly back together next weekend. Really looking forward to getting it finished so I can move on to the next project.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-10-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #292, 01-11-2010 09:53 AM
      Hey P,

Looking good! I have some MAJOR catch up to do!


Sofa King MSG #293, 01-11-2010 10:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

cool find!! So that is going in the console....WHERE??

Seems like someone needs some tunes to FINISH THE CONSOLE!

great! Now Greg is going to try to "out-do you" on this mod...too! lol


Man-O-Man... Pat, you're killing me... Revin is right. Once again, you're forcing me to rethink everything. I'm tired of 1 step forward... 9 steps back. What is it with you, MAN!? LOL


Sofa King MSG #294, 01-11-2010 10:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
:


P,

Look at the door panel. That's basically how I am going to attack the panel. If that makes any sense at all.


katatak MSG #295, 01-12-2010 12:43 AM
      Hey Greg,

Glad to see you back. Everytime I go thread surfing, I find more things that make me rethink what I am doing. I love those door panels. They just need some "fabric" somewhere and I am really liking the AC surround - incorporating the gauge cluster is going more in the direction of that clean look I am after. I'm sure you can clean this up. It's the best I can do with MS Paint. Here's the next generation.



Stuck in Ontario Ca for the next few days. I think it was close to 70 here today. I may stay till spring.......

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-12-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #296, 01-12-2010 10:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I'm sure you can clean this up.


Hey P,

I'm glad to be back! Send me the stock pic or take a pic of the angle you want and I'll see what I can come up with. Is this for your car or the XTC?

So... you're stuck in 70 degree weather while we freeze our ball bearings off, huh? What can I say. I'd stay too...

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 01-12-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #297, 01-14-2010 11:30 AM
      "Rubber sink gasket"....creative use of plumbing supplies. I want to hear your system!

katatak MSG #298, 01-15-2010 11:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

"Rubber sink gasket"....creative use of plumbing supplies. I want to hear your system!


Heehee...Rick! My V8 Fiero - the Fiero that Lowe's built.....lol It goes with my plumbing theme in the gauge cluster - I used PVC to make the pods.... It's got a toilet for a carburator or at least it sounds like it when I mash on it.

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-15-2010).]

katatak MSG #299, 01-15-2010 11:19 PM
      Not much to report - I spent the week in So Cal working. I did however read a lot of threads and surfed the web for build projects so I feel recharged and ready to get after it in the AM. The plan is to get the interior back in with the exception of the console - I am rethinking some things and want to make a few tweaks to it but it's close.

Here's few scenic pics for ya!




Oops!


And the reason I was out there!



More tomorrow!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #300, 01-16-2010 10:41 AM
      P,

OK... you gotta explain those pics. I understand the "rail inspection". But I've never seen that type of vehicle. COOL STUFF!


katatak MSG #301, 01-16-2010 11:39 AM
      Hey Greg,

I'll give you the short version. That pic is of our lateset and greaest state of the art - latest technology Rail Inspection Vehicle. It uses ultrasonics to detect flaws - cracks and defects - in the rail. It utilizes 30 seperate channels - angles - to locate these flaws and presents them to the Operator who in turn will stop the test, get out of the truck and "pin point" the defect - marking the location for the repair forces with a portable flaw detector. Different types of defects have different remedial actions required - mandated by the government. The railroads standards for remedial action is usually more strict than those of the gov. The UP currently has 26 of these trucks working on the UP system. I am the Quality Control Supervisor for the fleet. These vehciles currently run between 500k and 1 mil depending on config. This newest truck uses Ultrasonics, line scan cameras, laser measurement system and laser counting system. They can travel - test speed up to 25 mph - the test system is capable of higher speeds - the speed is limited to the vehicle's on rail restrictions. These trucks average 30 miles of tested rail a day. The guys that run them are a special breed - they are in a different hotel room almost every night. Some are fortunate enough to have a territory that keeps them within 500 miles of home and get home at least every weekend. Some are home nearly every night. "Gypsies with credit cards".

Back to work!

Pat


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #302, 01-16-2010 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

The guys that run them are a special breed - they are in a different hotel room almost every night. Some are fortunate enough to have a territory that keeps them within 500 miles of home and get home at least every weekend. Some are home nearly every night. "Gypsies with credit cards".

Back to work!

Pat


My kinda people


katatak MSG #303, 01-16-2010 07:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


My kinda people


You know what I'm talkng about!


katatak MSG #304, 01-16-2010 08:02 PM
      No progress today. After I cleaned the shop, I got a call from my 16 year old. He blew up the motor in the XTC. I had to scramble around and go tow it home. Motor is siezed. Oh well, just another project I guess.

Sofa King MSG #305, 01-16-2010 08:10 PM
      Oh no!!!! Blown engine???!!!! Uhhhhh.

katatak MSG #306, 01-17-2010 06:56 PM
      Spent most the day making plans for an engine swap on the XTC. Had to build a sub box for my son's Mustang so nothing done to the V8 Coupe today! Looks like it will be on the back burner for awhile. I am going to try and get the interior back in it sometime this week. I need to get all the parts out of the shop to make room for the XTC swap. If I could get at least one project out of the way, I may feel like I can breath a little easier. Fiero's - The Excitement never ends.........

Pat



katatak MSG #307, 01-17-2010 08:01 PM
      I managed to get out there before it got dark and started laying out my carpet and padding. For the life of me, I can't remember what goes where padding wise. I think I have a couple of them figured out but #1, #2, #7 and #8 is a mystery. I posted in Techincal for some help. I hate puzzles.


Rick 88 MSG #308, 01-18-2010 06:49 PM
      I'll give you the short version. That pic is of our lateset and greaest state of the art - latest technology Rail Inspection Vehicle. It uses ultrasonics to detect flaws - cracks and defects - in the rail. It utilizes 30 seperate channels - angles - to locate these flaws and presents them to the Operator who in turn will stop the test, get out of the truck and "pin point" the defect - marking the location for the repair forces with a portable flaw detector. Different types of defects have different remedial actions required - mandated by the government. The railroads standards for remedial action is usually more strict than those of the gov. The UP currently has 26 of these trucks working on the UP system. I am the Quality Control Supervisor for the fleet. These vehciles currently run between 500k and 1 mil depending on config. This newest truck uses Ultrasonics, line scan cameras, laser measurement system and laser counting system. They can travel - test speed up to 25 mph - the test system is capable of higher speeds - the speed is limited to the vehicle's on rail restrictions. These trucks average 30 miles of tested rail a day.


And they corner like they are on rails! I just had to say that.........


Rick 88 MSG #309, 01-18-2010 06:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I managed to get out there before it got dark and started laying out my carpet and padding. For the life of me, I can't remember what goes where padding wise. I think I have a couple of them figured out but #1, #2, #7 and #8 is a mystery. I posted in Techincal for some help. I hate puzzles.


Aren't 1&2 for the sides of the console? Can't help on the others.


katatak MSG #310, 01-19-2010 01:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

I'll give you the short version. That pic is of our lateset and greaest state of the art - latest technology Rail Inspection Vehicle. It uses ultrasonics to detect flaws - cracks and defects - in the rail. It utilizes 30 seperate channels - angles - to locate these flaws and presents them to the Operator who in turn will stop the test, get out of the truck and "pin point" the defect - marking the location for the repair forces with a portable flaw detector. Different types of defects have different remedial actions required - mandated by the government. The railroads standards for remedial action is usually more strict than those of the gov. The UP currently has 26 of these trucks working on the UP system. I am the Quality Control Supervisor for the fleet. These vehciles currently run between 500k and 1 mil depending on config. This newest truck uses Ultrasonics, line scan cameras, laser measurement system and laser counting system. They can travel - test speed up to 25 mph - the test system is capable of higher speeds - the speed is limited to the vehicle's on rail restrictions. These trucks average 30 miles of tested rail a day.


And they corner like they are on rails! I just had to say that.........


Very good Rick.... I never thought of that... That cracked me up!


katatak MSG #311, 01-19-2010 01:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


Aren't 1&2 for the sides of the console? Can't help on the others.


Thanks Rick... I was going to get after it today but spent the evening installing a Sub and amp in the Mustang. Kids these days. Brand new car and it still is not good enough the way it is.


katatak MSG #312, 01-21-2010 07:47 PM
      Just a bump - I looked at the car today. I did find a 88 T-Bird turbo coupe in the mega pull today. The hood sccops are in very nice condition. I did not have any tools as I was on a scouting mission - lesson learned - never go to the mega pull without a few hand tools! Anyway, I'll go get them tomorrow. I am going to use these in the hood of the V8 coupe as extractor vents. Still not sure they will look right. I got to lay them on the hood and look it over first. If I do not mount these directly into the hood, I may use them as a mold for ones a little longer.

Sofa King MSG #313, 01-22-2010 07:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I am going to use these in the hood of the V8 coupe as extractor vents. Still not sure they will look right. I got to lay them on the hood and look it over first. If I do not mount these directly into the hood, I may use them as a mold for ones a little longer.


P,

Sounds like a cool plan! Send me pics and I'll see what I can do with it.


katatak MSG #314, 01-22-2010 09:06 PM
      Raining and windy here today - did not get a chance to get back to the yard for the scoops - Maybe Sunday!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #315, 01-23-2010 06:07 PM
      Another nice hood vent option is 80/81 Z28 fender vents, plus the often used Sunbird Turbo hood vents.

katatak MSG #316, 01-23-2010 10:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Another nice hood vent option is 80/81 Z28 fender vents, plus the often used Sunbird Turbo hood vents.


I've been looking for the Z28 vents. Not sure I've seen the Sunbird ones. I did not get a chance to get the ones I found on Thursday. I will be going to the yard in the AM though. If they are still there, they will be mine.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-23-2010).]

katatak MSG #317, 01-24-2010 03:54 PM
      Wrong thread!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-24-2010).]

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #318, 01-24-2010 05:11 PM
      me too.

[This message has been edited by Carver1 (edited 01-24-2010).]

katatak MSG #319, 01-26-2010 11:34 PM
      Bumpin an update. Worked on the interior a little this evening. Got the carpet pad layed out and set the carpet in place. I'm not crazy about how the carpet fits - it's an aftermarket set and it just does not have that factory Fiero look. It will do for this version of the interior. Maybe it will look better with the seats and console in place? No pics tonight - just in to big of a rush to stop and take some. I hope to have the interior done by Friday! That will be one project out of the way. For now anyway. I'll post up some pics when I get it all together.

Pat


katatak MSG #320, 01-27-2010 09:25 PM
      Got a line on a windshield today thanks to frizlefrak! Picked up some plastic fastners for the door panels and the a pilar trim. It was too dark out when I got home to do any work. Maybe tomorrow!

Pat


katatak MSG #321, 01-29-2010 02:30 PM
      Today was my Birthday so I decided to take the day off. My plan was to go to the junk yard and snag some axles for the XTC swap and get some hood scoops I've had my eye on for a few weeks. I got lucky and the driver side of the van I was getting the axles off of was already taken apart and just the axle was hanging in the trans. It was easy to pop out so all I had to do was tear down the passenger isde. It went easy too - took about a 1/2 an hour start to finish. The I went and got these Trubo T Brid hood soops for the V8 Coupe.

The Donor:

There are four other Turbo coupes in this yard - they are all missing the scoops.

In the bucket:







Now I just got to figure out how to mount em - Should I just cut holes and fasten them in like on the T Bird hood or should I mold them in?





Setting on the hood of the Formula:


And on the hod of the XTC:


More later!

Pat


It's my Birthday - Page 9 Ownership.....

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-29-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #322, 01-30-2010 01:55 AM
      Happy Birthday Pat!

I think the T-Bird parts would make better side scoops for the XTC. How about some pics taped to the side of the car or even the Fiero.
Also, you might try switching the scoops side to side on the hood and take a pic. Have the straight side of the scoop parallel the hood accent line. The angles should look better.

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 01-30-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #323, 01-30-2010 09:37 AM
      First and Foremost,

Happy Birthday my friend. Be sure to celebrate and take some time for you.

Second... Mounting the scoops similar to the TBird is the way to go. You can mount them flush but the hood scoops will look more stock if you bolt them in and retain the groove around the edges. And, you can always remove them for new ones in case they break... just a thought

Also, move the scoops around the entire hood for ideas and take pics of every idea and every placement. Think out of the box. I've attached a few ideas I came up with using the images you posted - they may not look exactly right becuase of the angles, perspective and I had to skew the images.

Happy Birthday, my friend.

What do you think?

Placement similar to your original idea


Same placement but scoops turned around


Near the windshield


Behind the head lamps


I really like this - don't ask me why. Reminds me of the Viper in a way


Another


One more angle

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 01-30-2010).]

katatak MSG #324, 01-30-2010 11:27 PM
      There are some interesting concepts Greg. I'm still not sure I like them due to the angled side - Not sure that angle fits the lines of the Fiero - Maybe rRick is on to something here - Maybe a side scoop for the rear quarter? I'll have to do some tweaking. Good thing they were free!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-30-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #325, 02-02-2010 08:34 PM
      You have a lot of room on the XTC rear quarters for those scoops. I think a rear brake scoop might look good. I can't remember if you have any air intakes molded into the rear quarters either. Gotta quit working so much........

katatak MSG #326, 02-05-2010 09:11 PM
      Rick, you may be on to something there. Never thought about the XTC quarters? I'll have to check that out tomorrow.

katatak MSG #327, 02-14-2010 06:31 PM
      I have not give up on the Coupe. Just busy with the XTC 4.9 swap right now. I did try to start it yesterday but the battery was dead. Been on the charger all day today. I'll spin her up this evening - maybe take it for a spin arounfd the block.

Pat


katatak MSG #328, 02-15-2010 06:40 PM
      I charged the battery and fired the V8 Coupe up today. I had to move it from where it was parked - the Compliance Nazi's said I could not park it in the dirt - it had to be on concreter or pavement. So I moved it up on the patio slab. I'll be looking for a shop to lease next weekend.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #329, 02-16-2010 10:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

...the Compliance Nazi's said I could not park it in the dirt - it had to be on concreter or pavement.

Pat


Go to home depot and buy a bag of concrete. Create 4 little flat pads for the tires to sit. Whala.... your car is now on concrete.

UGH... I feel your pain, brother.


Logan (dyno1385@aol.com) MSG #330, 02-16-2010 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

After I shoveled the snow off then chipped away all the ice off the car, I decided to tear into the interior. At first I was just going to put it all together and then focus on the exterior but after sitting in it for about 2 hours today, I could not take it. I had to rip it all out and start fresh. I guess the first major project will be an interior rehab. I maybe entertaining the idea of a custom dash, center console setup. I'll have to read a bunch of "dash" threads. Here's some progress pics:

Cleaning it out:


Some before shots:


I do not think that these are 86 Coupe Seats - They are pretty clean!


As is condition:


Tearing it apart: Some creative wiring!

Bonus: Got a new pet mouse in the deal - too bad he was dead! Had another one under the drivers seat.

Pretty clean under the carpet!


All the trim peices have been painted a slivery-blue color. I'll have to find a quality "plastic" paint and clean them up. I think the carpet is factory that was painted? Not sure that it can be done but it looks like it. I'll just get some new carpet for it. The headliner was sagging in several places plus it's worn thin in the front near the windshield. The board is in good shape so I think I can recover it. I do not think that the dash is the original Coupe dash. It's an all black AC dash and there is a hole in it for the wiring harnes for the aux gauges. It's in fair shape - has a small crack near the defrost vent and the typical AC vent "knee" strikes. I have a perfect 2 tone brown dash out of a low mileage 85. I'll either fix and paint the one that was in it, paint the 85 dash and use it or go with something completely different? The nice thing about this car is that it is a blank canvas just waiting for whatever mods I can throw at it. It also had a complete set of factory speakers that are not dry rotted, ripped or torn. More to come.

Pat


I found a dead snake in mine!


katatak MSG #331, 02-17-2010 08:49 PM
      Logan,

I have a "thing" about snakes.... If I would have found a snake, someone would have got a heck of a deal on a V8 Fiero...... I would not be able to get in it! Makes me nervous just thinking about it.....

Pat


katatak MSG #332, 02-17-2010 08:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Go to home depot and buy a bag of concrete. Create 4 little flat pads for the tires to sit. Whala.... your car is now on concrete.

UGH... I feel your pain, brother.


Greg,

You are going to get me in trouble - that's exactly what I am going to do. If I end up in jail, it will be your fault....lol

Pat


Sofa King MSG #333, 02-18-2010 08:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Greg,

You are going to get me in trouble - that's exactly what I am going to do. If I end up in jail, it will be your fault....lol

Pat


LOL! We'll all post bail for ya...


katatak MSG #334, 02-26-2010 08:16 PM
      Not much to report - had to move it the other day to keep the Code Compliance Nazi's at bay. They say it has to be parked on concrete or pavement - Alrighty then!



I noticed that when I moved it, my new headliner material was coming loose. I fear I did not get the backer board cleaned well enough. Looks like I'll be pulling it out and re gluing it. I may get to it this weekend.

Pat



Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #335, 02-27-2010 09:21 AM
      That's funny....and it looks so warm down there.

katatak MSG #336, 02-27-2010 10:26 AM
      Mid 60's yesterday - 70 today! Time for Fiero work............

katatak MSG #337, 03-07-2010 05:44 PM
      I now have an 88 Cradle to swap into the V8 Coupe. As soon as the XTC is out of the garage, I will be moving the Coupe in and dropping the 350/4spd out. In the next few weeks I will be picking up an F40 6 spd. I already have a fresh - ready to go 383 and will be going through the hoops to mate the two. Then I'll mount them on the 88 cradle and install it back in the coupe. I need to dig up some 88 suspension arms and rear spindles to finish it up. Still don't have a good handle on what I need for the axles but I will figure it out. Since the weather is warming up, I am getting motivated to finish up these projects - I want to spend the summer enjoying them versus wrenching on them.



Stay tuned!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #338, 03-09-2010 07:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I noticed that ... my new headliner material was coming loose. I fear I did not get the backer board cleaned well enough. Looks like I'll be pulling it out and re gluing it. I may get to it this weekend.

Pat


P,

Be sure to use the 3M 77 or 80 spray adhesive. It'll run about 20 bucks for a large can but the stuff really works!


katatak MSG #339, 03-16-2010 08:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


P,

Be sure to use the 3M 77 or 80 spray adhesive. It'll run about 20 bucks for a large can but the stuff really works!


I pulled the headliner out of the Coupe this afternoon. I went to the fabric store looking for the same material I used the first time - none to be found! I did not find anything I liked. I talked to the lady at the counter and she told me about a huge fabric and foam store downtown. She gave me directions and much to my amazement, it's right across the street from my office! Never even noticed it before. I'll hit it hard tomorrow and hopefully I can find the "right" stuff for my headliner. I have 3 to do so I need the practice. I'll give the #M stuff a try on the next one. While I am taking a break from the XTC - waiting on the fuel injectors and the wiring harness - I will get the interior finished up on the Coupe - I really would like to have it done by Sunday. Then it will be in line for some garage time as sson as the XTC is out, it will go in for a heart transplant! I really wanted to do an F40 behind this new 383 but I just need to get it done and driveable for now. The F40 will have to wait. I did look at a Holley Pro Injection setup for the 383 last night - found it on CL but it's pretty rough looking and the guy wants a lot for it. If I were to go this way, I think I'd just buy it new.......$$$$$$ Not sure I want to put that much money in it! With any luck, I'll find some material and get the ehadliner recoverd tomorrow evening. Now that it's light out till 7:30........ Time to get something done!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #340, 04-01-2010 08:47 AM
      eh hemmmm... updates?

katatak MSG #341, 04-02-2010 12:18 AM
      No updates - been in New York for the last few days - I needed a boat to get around in. I was going to try and make it out o Kickhill farms and rummage around through the Fiero stuff but a lot of roads in New England were closed due to high water this week. I'll be working on the headliner tomorrow - I still have not found the material I want yet. I have one more place to try in the AM.

Pat



katatak MSG #342, 04-02-2010 06:07 PM
      Made some progress today. Spent most the morning running around looking for some headliner material. The last one did not stick. Not sure if it was lack of glue or bad glue - most likely operator error. I was able to find the exact same material but I was afraid that it may not be "headliner" material. Meaning that if it gets hot, it may pull and not stay where it is supposed to stay. I ended up down at the big Foam and Fabric store and picked up some regular headliner material that has the foam backing. It was fairly cheap too so I bought enough to do the Formula as well. 10.00 a yard.

I was impressed at how easy it was to put on.

Here's the "buckskin" I got for the Formula - it's a little on the darker side compared to the stock color but I think the contrast is cool.


A little 3M 77, a solid headliner board and new material. Here we go!


Laid out 1/2 at a time.


Sprayed the board and the material and let it set for a minute then started from the center out on each side.


After smoothing out the wrinkles, trimming off the extra and gluing the edges down.




After it sets and cures, I will reinstall - then I can start putting the interior back together - I'd like to have it all done by Sunday. I just need to keep my head down and get it done.

More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-03-2010).]

katatak MSG #343, 04-03-2010 12:30 PM
      Installed the headliner this AM. Turned out better than the first one.




Will be installing carpet, trim, seats and center console this afternoon.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #344, 04-03-2010 12:45 PM
      Hey P,

The headliner really tuned out NICE. It's a good feeling checking off one project and then moving to the next.


katatak MSG #345, 04-03-2010 09:51 PM
      Hey Greg, you are 100% correct. I felt like I have been neglecting this project and after following your thread the last few weeks, I have been motivated to get back on it. Thanks for the kick in the butt.

I got a little side tracked today. Went to lunch with the Fiero bunch to celabrate one of the guy's B Day. As usual, we burned up a lot of day light BSing....... While I was out, I took an opportunity for a photo op with the Formula. Here's a brief intermission while I wait for my afternoon progress pics to load.

Looking South East over El Paso:




I'll have some more progress pics here in a minute.

Pat


katatak MSG #346, 04-03-2010 10:28 PM
      After lunch today I was feeling like a nap - had some great Fish Tacos and spent a lot of time BSing with the guys about Fiero's and Corvettes. Anyway, when I got home I got a wild hair and decided to get after the interior in the Coupe. I got so wound up in is that I did not get many pics of the process but I think most folks know how to install an interior.

Once I figured out where all the carpet pad went, I installed the carpet on both sides. This is aftermarket carpet that was in the car when I got it. If you look back in this thread you will see that it was grey that was dyed blue. I shampooed out the dye and used some fabric spray to color it black. It turned out good but not exactly the way I wanted. It will do for now. I had to do some trimming along the door side so that all the screw bosses where the trim screwed to was not covered by the carpet. Once I got each side fitted the way I liked, I sprayed some 3M adheasive on the carpet pad layed out in the pan and a coat on the back side of the carpet. I wanted to make sure that the carpet pad did not move under the carpet and ball up under the pedals so I glued them together.

Once the carpet was in, I put the A pillar trim in. I was pretty happy with how easy these snapped in place. I have had epic battles with these in other cars n the past. Next was the B pillar trim. These were a little tricky due to the new headliner - it's a little thicker than the factory stuff and I had to be careful not to snag or tear a hole in the new material. All in all, they went in pretty easy. Last was the door sill/kick panel trim. These were easy except for the usual "stripped" hole here and there. I just used a slightly larger screws for the bad ones. Last thing I did was snap all the screw covers in and then it was getting dark.

Tomorrow I will get the console side of the carpet clipped into place and then install the console. I had to make a bracket on the rear firewall for the rear console to rest on and fasten too. I'll take close pics of that tomorrow. Once I get the console in I have to work on mounting my MP3 amp. I've had it in the car already so it's just a matter of finish work. After that, it's the seats. I hope to get that far tomorrow. That will leave the gauge pod over the AC surround and the Insrument cluster - it will be getting a slight tweak with some glass work so it may be awhile to get that done. Here's a few pics - some are not good - I think my camera is getting ready to give up on me.

Carpet Before:


Carpet After - it needs a good vacuuming to clean it up after sitting in the shed for so long.


I really like how the B pillar trim turned out:


A pillar:


It was a beautiful day here in Far West Texas - as the sun was going down:


More tomorrow!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-03-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #347, 04-04-2010 12:42 AM
      Looks good. I love it when things start falling into place. What about the console? Any thought on how to move forward? Also, you had mentioned a larger gauge in the middle? How are you going to incorporate this into the overall design?

katatak MSG #348, 04-04-2010 04:14 PM
      Well I spent most the day so far working on the Coupe interior. I wanted to get most of it complete so I could sit back and contemplate what was next.

I put the console in as is and then the seats. Now I can step back and think:









This will pretty much be close to the finished product - at least for this version. I am planning something quite a bit different for the future but that's a ways off - I have a lot of other projects to finsh up first. This will do for this summers thrashing of the car as I plan to make as many passes down the quarter as I can till either the motor or the trans goes South. Then it will be time for version 2. I have a few little things left to finish.

1. Mount the MP3 Amp and finish the AC surround.
2. Install the instrument pod and finish the gauge pod.
3. Dew wipes and door panels.
4. Tires and wheels
5. Some exterior clean up and freshen up the paint on the rear grills, luggage rack and bumper pads.

More in a bit.

Pat


katatak MSG #349, 04-04-2010 04:30 PM
      Now that the pics have loaded, on with today's fun and games. I have to build a box for the lower part of the AC surround - where the stock radio goes will be a "covey hole" kind of thing. The MP3 amp will be mounted in the slot where the AC/Heater control box would normally be.

Here's the holes I have to fill:


Taking my que from my old buddy Greg (Sofa King), I decided to build the box out of foam core.


Then I had to test fit it:


With the surround and face plate on:


With the MP3 amp kind of in place and the gauge pod:


The next step is to cut the box apart so I can use the flat pieces for templates. Next I made a flat piece of fiberglass (Yeah - I'm playing with glass again!). Again, following Greg's lead, once the glass was set, I laid the tmeplates down and cut them out with my exacto knife. I then pulled the excess off the and will have to let the pieces completely cure. Oncetheya are cure, I will build the box with the glass parts and hot glue the outer edges of the corners. Next I will add glass and resin to the inside of the corners and lay one more layer of cloth on the inside. Once it's set. I will trim off the hot glus and add some resin and glas strand to the outer corners for added strength. A littl sanding and trimming and it should slide into place. Not sure how I will fasten it to the skeleton yet but I'll figure that out when it's done. The box will also give me a nice platform to mount the MP3 Amp too. Some shimming will be needed and I'll have to make a face plate to fill the voids on each side of the Amp.

Waiting for the parts to cure:


More to come!

Pat


katatak MSG #350, 04-04-2010 08:13 PM
      Ok, here's where I left off.

After letting the parts cure, I pulled them from the glass and started to build the box:


Using hot glue on the outside to hold it together:



Once I had it all glued together it was time for a test fit:


I layed in a couple of layers of cloth on the inside corners:


And I poured what was left of my resin in the bottom to seal it:






Once it's sets over night, I will lightly sand the insode and outside and give it some proimer and charcoal paint. The inside of the box - at least the bottom and side's will be lined with the snti skid shelf stuff so that anything I throw in there will not rattle around to much when I launch it from the line at 6k! That's it for this week - I hope to be stuffing the 4.9 in the XTC next weekend so it may be a few weeks before I get back to work on the V8 Coupe.

Later!

Pat


katatak MSG #351, 04-04-2010 08:22 PM
      One more thing - something I have been thinking about. I want to keep the V8 theme going inside the car with some emblems or something. I have an idea for my shifter ball. It's an 8 Ball - pool ball that Carver1 made. I want to use my dremel with a fine carbide bit and form a "V" under the "8". I am thinking I can "router" out the shape of the V and then put red paint in the groove. I penciled in what I am thinking of. I have a couple of old pool balls I can practice on. I thnk it will look good if I can keep the lines straight. I may have to buy another one after I screw this one up?



I don't know?

Pat




Sofa King MSG #352, 04-04-2010 09:52 PM
      Hey P,

The radio bezel looks great. Was it easier cutting the fiberglass during the curing process? It had made such a difference for me. When I tackle the glovebox I'll be using the same method. The ol X-Acto and straight edge will be getting another workout.

LOL - what better way to use the remainder of the resin than pour it into the bottom - genius!

It is fun stuff isn't it?


katatak MSG #353, 04-04-2010 11:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey P,

The radio bezel looks great. Was it easier cutting the fiberglass during the curing process? It had made such a difference for me. When I tackle the glovebox I'll be using the same method. The ol X-Acto and straight edge will be getting another workout.

LOL - what better way to use the remainder of the resin than pour it into the bottom - genius!

It is fun stuff isn't it?


Ha Greg! I really like your method! It makes things so easy. It will be the only way I build things from now on. I tried another little trick just for fun. Back when I made the gauge pod, I used PVC pipe, epoxy and then glass. Mainly cuase I was fighting making a "tupe" out of glass. When I trimmed off the excess, it was still a little sticky and flexible. I wrapped a piece of PVC with packing tape then took the scrap - still curing glass and wrapped it around the pipe. I use my exacto knife to trim it so the edges would butt up then took a little resin and some fiber and glassed the seam. It was a little tough to get it off but I figured it would be. Something colapseable or easy ti cut a slit in would be an easy way to make round tubes. Why is this important to me? ---- Not yet...it's something new I'm playing with but I'll give you a hint. Think (which I know you already are) about the instrument cluster. What is round and needs to fit in round holes?

I hate leaving resin in the cup!

Pat


katatak MSG #354, 04-05-2010 12:40 AM
      Ok, I lied..... Here's some more.

I was trying to figure out how I was going to mount the el cheapo MP3 Amp. I thought I would build a platform inside the skeleton and then put a couple small screws through the unit to hold it in place. The thing does not weigh anything and I could not see building some elaborate thing just to hold it in place. While flipping back and forth between the Amazing Race and The Apprentice, I figured out how I was going to mount the little doodad.

I went out to the shop and scrounged up a piece of fiberglass then trimmed it to fit in the back of the AC suround face plate. Once I got it to fit the way I wanted it, I hot glued it to the back side.


Then I removed the face plate off the doodad and placed on the front side of the AC face plate. Then I traced the holes:


I was a little off but I could compensate once I went to the drill press:


Once it was drilled out, I test fit it with the doodad face plate to the doodad:


Then I set it in place on the AC face plate for a quick look:


Tomorrow I will sand and paint the new cover/filler/mount plate and then I will epoxy it to the AC face plate. There will be a small gap between the bottom of the doo dad and the top of the covey hole box I made earlier. I will make some "shims" and epxoy those to the top of the box for the doodad to set solid on. I have to do a little trimming of the skeleton but nothing the dremel can't take care of in a few minutes. With any luck, I should have the doodad all hooked up and working by tomoorw evening. I have to travel for work Tuesday so Maybe I'll take a half day off tomorrow.

Later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-05-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #355, 04-05-2010 07:59 AM
      P,

Question. Do you need to have the blue faceplate or can you use a new fiberglass panel? Might be something to think about it.

Also... check out the center console on the 89 Fiero Prototype - I've always seen the gauge cluster but never the console. What about something like this? Had I seen this, I probably would have gone for this design!

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078939.html

DANG!!! Now my creative juices are flowing again!


katatak MSG #356, 04-05-2010 10:19 PM
      A little bit of progress this afternoon.

Sanded and painted then epoxied the plate and the AC face plate together:


Mounted the doodad:


Then set it in the car:



I just have to do some trimming of the skeleton and finis the covey hole box, fasten it in and hook up the power and speakers and it's done.

Later.

Pat

P.S.

Yes Greg, I plan n replacing the blue face plate with a brushed aluminum one that has the control labels engraved under each knob! I wish I had the rest of the week to just tinker with it.


katatak MSG #357, 04-06-2010 12:36 AM
      Man, I just spent the last few hours going back through this thread - No wonder I am tired - there has been a lot of work done to this car since October! I can;t believe how many times I changed directions.

Just wanted to say thanks to all that have contributed so far.

Pat



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #358, 04-06-2010 12:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

One more thing - something I have been thinking about. I want to keep the V8 theme going inside the car with some emblems or something. I have an idea for my shifter ball. It's an 8 Ball - pool ball that Carver1 made. I want to use my dremel with a fine carbide bit and form a "V" under the "8". I am thinking I can "router" out the shape of the V and then put red paint in the groove. I penciled in what I am thinking of. I have a couple of old pool balls I can practice on. I thnk it will look good if I can keep the lines straight. I may have to buy another one after I screw this one up?



I don't know?

Pat



If you mess that one up, I got you covered.
How about this?

Also, when you make the cut, use something sharp and straight to score the V, or else you will slip off the ball. Scuffs don't come out very easy. I've got some ball experience....I mean I play with......nevermind. You know what I mean.

[This message has been edited by Carver1 (edited 04-06-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #359, 04-06-2010 08:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Ha Greg! I really like your method! It makes things so easy. It will be the only way I build things from now on. I tried another little trick just for fun. Back when I made the gauge pod, I used PVC pipe, epoxy and then glass. Mainly cuase I was fighting making a "tupe" out of glass. When I trimmed off the excess, it was still a little sticky and flexible. I wrapped a piece of PVC with packing tape then took the scrap - still curing glass and wrapped it around the pipe. I use my exacto knife to trim it so the edges would butt up then took a little resin and some fiber and glassed the seam. It was a little tough to get it off but I figured it would be. Something colapseable or easy ti cut a slit in would be an easy way to make round tubes. Why is this important to me? ---- Not yet...it's something new I'm playing with but I'll give you a hint. Think (which I know you already are) about the instrument cluster. What is round and needs to fit in round holes?

I hate leaving resin in the cup!

Pat


The process of cutting the glass as it cures makes all the difference in the world. There is so little cutting to do afterwards. I've been tinkering with ideas for making tubes - one of the ideas I had was using wrapping, toilet and paper towel rolls - of course you're limited by the size unless you cut them in half and rolled the edges into itself? I understand your dilemma with the PVC. I think you would have to create two halves and then join them together with glass and filler.

A riddle, huh? It is early in the morning. What's round and needs to fit in round holes? OMG... Since I can't say the obvious... LOL I'm braindead. My first guess would be the gauges themselves? But also the lip that goes around the dash cluster from top to bottom. You got me wondering now. OK... what's the plan? I've suffered long enough.

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 04-06-2010).]

katatak MSG #360, 04-07-2010 01:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


If you mess that one up, I got you covered.
How about this?

Also, when you make the cut, use something sharp and straight to score the V, or else you will slip off the ball. Scuffs don't come out very easy. I've got some ball experience....I mean I play with......nevermind. You know what I mean.



TMI Phil..... I kinda like that "marbled" look.


katatak MSG #361, 04-07-2010 01:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


The process of cutting the glass as it cures makes all the difference in the world. There is so little cutting to do afterwards. I've been tinkering with ideas for making tubes - one of the ideas I had was using wrapping, toilet and paper towel rolls - of course you're limited by the size unless you cut them in half and rolled the edges into itself? I understand your dilemma with the PVC. I think you would have to create two halves and then join them together with glass and filler.

A riddle, huh? It is early in the morning. What's round and needs to fit in round holes? OMG... Since I can't say the obvious... LOL I'm braindead. My first guess would be the gauges themselves? But also the lip that goes around the dash cluster from top to bottom. You got me wondering now. OK... what's the plan? I've suffered long enough.



Greg, I sent you a PM about my idea. I was hoping you might find time in your busy schedule to render up some concept(s)??????? Pretty please?

Pat

Oh Yeah - Page 10 ownership! Sweet!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-07-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #362, 04-08-2010 03:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Greg, I sent you a PM about my idea. I was hoping you might find time in your busy schedule to render up some concept(s)??????? Pretty please?

Pat

Oh Yeah - Page 10 ownership! Sweet!



P,

Check your PM



katatak MSG #363, 04-09-2010 10:08 PM
      Had a little time this afternoon so I worked on the AC surround and the Doodad. Got the covey hole box semi done - screwed down and wired up the MP3 Amp. Everything works good. Just got to do some finish work and hook up the guages.

Test Fit


Checking for clearance with the guage pod


Playing music


More later

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-09-2010).]

katatak MSG #364, 04-10-2010 06:33 PM
      Got my gauges installed today - well almost. Still have to wire them up but I did get the wiring hooked to the gauges and ran them. Just need to terminate them and they will be done. I hate wiring - it's definitely not my bag!

Setting them up:


Installed:


About the time I was going to dig in and hook the wires up, I heard a loud yell come from the house. The Mail Man just delivered the XTC/4.9 wiring harness! Now I got to go work on that wiring nightmare. Guess I better go read some 4.9 threads now.

More later.

Pat


katatak MSG #365, 04-10-2010 11:15 PM
      Played with the gauges a little more this eveing. It was beautiful out this evening so I just kept working. Got all the gauges wired up, installed a new OP sending unit and a new Coolant temp sensor. Got it all hooked up and fired up the old 350. She has been sitting for a few weeks untouched and when I raised the dcklid, I could not believe how much snad was in there. Now I got to detail the engine compartment!

Got a few things to clean up in here - also found that the plastic vacuum T was broke off and the rubber gromets for the PVC's have become like concrete. I'll get this fixed up tomorrow as I want to take her for a drive!


These gauges I installed have 4 different color settings. I like them normal white but the center one (you can't see it in this pic) was switched to blue. Now I have to take the pod apart so I can switch it back to normal:


I think I got the air out of the system after I changed the Temp sensor. She sat idling for 20 minutes with no fan and never went over 160. I'm starting to wonder if it even has a T Stat?

Later.

Pat


katatak MSG #366, 04-11-2010 04:03 PM
      Last night while the car was running, I found a vacuum leak - the tee to the PVC's was broke so today I got a new tee and fixed that up. Adjusted the electric choke and adjusted the carb - got it running nice and smooth - it does have a miss so a tune up is in order, I let it sit and idle for over an hour As the temp reached 195, I turned the fan on and it setlled back to 180 and sat there for a good 30 minutes. At temp, at an idle I have 30psi OP. As soon as the XTC is out of the garage, I will pull this one in and drop the pan - I am still a little bervous about the rod knock it had when I first got it. I will pull each rod bearing and check them out. Maybe I can get away with a .0001 over bearing or two to get some life out of this motor. I have a fresh - ready to go 383 that I can stuff in there but I am thinking of going another way when this motor goes south.

I finished up the wiring and tucked everything up under the dash, ran the sub wires and put the console mack together. All I have left is the instrument pod - I am thinking of something custom with aftermarket gauges but for now I will put the stock pod back in there. I'd like to find a clean set of speedo/tach cluster to use.

I also will install new dew wipes and service the window mech's then install the door panels. Getting real close to having it ready for the summer rod runs and drags. It has the belt driven Water pump setup from the Archie kit but I am not crazy about the setup so I will need to slve that problem. I was thinking of going electric but have recently read some articles on the pros and cons of going electric. Seems to be the right choice for a occasional hot rod/race car but not recommended for prolonged driving / cruising. Even if you spend the big bucks and get a 55gpm pump - in the 400.00 range, it is not enough if you are cruising down the hiway for long periods of time?

The exhaust needs attention too but that's the easy part.



Back to the XTC now till it's finished.

Pat


katatak MSG #367, 04-15-2010 09:19 PM
      Working on finishing the facory sub box. Bought a 14.00 200w 5.25" sub to install inthe factory sub box. It was pretty easy and it sounds great. Not a earth shattering thumper but it adds a nice deep bass to the system.

The Sub:


The stock mount plate:


Drilled for the new Sub:


Installed in the box:


Cover installed:


In the car:


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-15-2010).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #368, 04-18-2010 11:13 AM
      Pat....remind me to listen to the yellow Pyle sub next time I'm over. I've been contemplating buying that one for the sub box you scored for me at the U-Pull-It.

katatak MSG #369, 04-18-2010 12:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat....remind me to listen to the yellow Pyle sub next time I'm over. I've been contemplating buying that one for the sub box you scored for me at the U-Pull-It.


You were 50 feet away from this car most the day yesterday! It's not like we were doing anything else!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #370, 04-18-2010 02:23 PM
      We drank beer and ate pizza....that counts for something LOL. Yep, I didn't know you'd bought the little Pyle sub. I wanna get one on order and in the GT before the San Antonio trip. I need to swap the belts, do the sub, and check out all the cooling hoses. After that, she's ready for the trip.

katatak MSG #371, 04-18-2010 02:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

We drank beer and ate pizza....that counts for something LOL. Yep, I didn't know you'd bought the little Pyle sub. I wanna get one on order and in the GT before the San Antonio trip. I need to swap the belts, do the sub, and check out all the cooling hoses. After that, she's ready for the trip.


You can try this one out first - to see if you like it! Would not take 2 minutes to pull the whole box. I'll trade you the sub box for the shifter bracket for an evening??????

Pat


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #372, 04-18-2010 04:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Working on finishing the facory sub box. Bought a 14.00 200w 5.25" sub to install inthe factory sub box. It was pretty easy and it sounds great. Not a earth shattering thumper but it adds a nice deep bass to the system.



Funny, I bought that same sub about a year ago and it is still in the box. I'm glad to see it sounds nice because I was debating whether to use it.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #373, 04-18-2010 04:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


You can try this one out first - to see if you like it! Would not take 2 minutes to pull the whole box. I'll trade you the sub box for the shifter bracket for an evening??????

Pat


Got yourself a deal

I won't have the amp or slider hooked up yet, will just be driving it off the Sony head unit, but that should give me a good idea of what it will sound like.



katatak MSG #374, 04-18-2010 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Got yourself a deal

I won't have the amp or slider hooked up yet, will just be driving it off the Sony head unit, but that should give me a good idea of what it will sound like.


I'll pull it out sometime tomorrow and we can figure out a good time to meet up later in the week. I'll bring it your way then I can pull the bracket off your car. I hooked it up to my MP3 amp and it sounds pretty good. Adds just the right thump for what I have. It will probably sound better with a quality system.

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #375, 04-18-2010 09:01 PM
      Hey Pat.....no need to pull it out, I went ahead and ordered the Sub. If you say it sounds decent, that's good enough for me. Besides, it's gonna be playing Motley Crue and Hendrix, not rap....so it doesnt have to hit hard, just fill in the bottom end a bit.

Sofa King MSG #376, 04-19-2010 08:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Hey Pat.....no need to pull it out, I went ahead and ordered the Sub. If you say it sounds decent, that's good enough for me. Besides, it's gonna be playing Motley Crue and Hendrix...


Make sure you play "Voodoo Child"... I'll be there with my lighter!


katatak MSG #377, 04-30-2010 02:08 PM
      Updates on the V8 Coupe - finally recieved my new instrument cluster - now I can get the interior finished and get it road worthy! I'd love to take it to SA for the Round Up but I think I have too much to do! Hope to have it finished up this weekend - if all goes as planned on the XTC and getting the Formula ready for the Round Up. I need to quit working so I can have more Fiero time!

Later

Pat



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #378, 05-01-2010 01:04 AM
      I need to quit my job to get ANY Fiero time.

You can move up here and finish mine up. I'll keep the fridge stocked.

[This message has been edited by Carver1 (edited 05-01-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #379, 05-01-2010 07:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

I need to quit my job to get ANY Fiero time.

You can move up here and finish mine up. I'll keep the fridge stocked.



You need to finish it, so I can get your 3.4


katatak MSG #380, 05-01-2010 11:01 PM
      I had planned on working on the XTC all day but the mufflers never showed up. So I had a lot of time to work on the V8 Coupe. I had picked up a used speedo/tach of EBay - when it showed up, the printed circuit thingie on the back was fubar so I took all the pieces and parts I had laying around and built one good cluster. Then cleaned up the housing - painted it to match the dash and installed it in the car. Also wired in my manual rad fan switch. Finished it all up around dark.

In and everything works - except the OP and temp gauge.


I am in the process of building a custom cluster with an aftermarket tach, speedo and fuel gauge - they match my 3 pod gauges. I have to get back into some glass work to finish it up. More on the later - for now, It's drivable!

First pic with all three together!



Tomorrow - Door panels!

Pat


katatak MSG #381, 05-02-2010 02:24 PM
      Finished up the door panels today. Turned out pretty good for a toy!






Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #382, 05-02-2010 06:28 PM
      Turned out very nice Pat. Sorry couldn't join up with you guys this weekend....I'm just starting to feel human again....but I'm WAY behind on what needs to get done before San Antonio. I've gotta do some Bonzai wrenching this week.

katatak MSG #383, 05-02-2010 10:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Turned out very nice Pat. Sorry couldn't join up with you guys this weekend....I'm just starting to feel human again....but I'm WAY behind on what needs to get done before San Antonio. I've gotta do some Bonzai wrenching this week.


Get Busy!

I have some little things to do - mostly cleaning up the interior. I may be out of town late next week. I got to get busy too.


katatak MSG #384, 05-04-2010 05:03 PM
      I messed with the timing a little last night. I guess I will have to pull the plugs and do a full on tune up - this thing just is not running right. I am thinkg that there has been so much fuel run through this motor (no fuel ressure regulator) that the plugs are all fowled. It just feels like it's flooded. It is running a lot better now than ever before - I fixed a lot of vac leaks, the timing was way to far advanced. I fear that the 4 speed is too low geared too. Seems to rev out quickly - almost like the clutch is slipping but it's not. It hooks up hard. I think this is a 4.11 4 speed. I'll look for a 5 speed! I think it's time for the 383 install! As much as I hate to put this motor in this car, I think it's the quickest/easiest way to get it where I want it. I'd rather build a 302 or a 327 for it! Decisions decisions!

Anyway, this one will be sitting for awhile now. Once the XTC is done and out of the garage, I have another project that I have to finish - 1970 Monte - I need to put the motor together and then reassemble the front end and it can go to paint - then I have a 47 Chevy Rat Truck that I need to finish so I can sell it. After that, I can go full bore on the V8 Coupe. The 383 was built for the 47. Maybe I'll stuff it in the Fiero and work over the 350 in the Fiero for the truck - get it running and back together and sell it? I had my heart set on a 500 Caddy in the truck! If I build it that way, I may not be able to sell it. Crap! More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #385, 05-23-2010 11:26 PM
      Update:

Decisions decisions! I have a fresh 383 stroker that I had professionaly built for my 47 Pickup. As I usually do, I changed my mind several times and am now in the process of looking for a 70 500 Cad motor for the 47. So my next plan was to put this 383 in the 86 V8 Coupe. The 350 in it now has a rod bearing problem so I need to either pull it and rebuild it or stuff this 383 in it. I was not sure that the 383 would be a good motor for the Fiero so I have been waffling back and forth on swapping it in. Now Saturday, I started the rebuild of the 350 for my 70 Monte - I was pretty set on keeping the original motor in the car and wanted to do a mild street build. Well after thinking about it and getting some advice from the El Paso guys, I think I have a new direction. I have been convinced to put the 383 in the Monte - should get the Monte moving better with the HP and grunt from the stroker! I am thinking that the 350 for the Monte with the cam, intake, carb and ignition I have picked up may be around 350 - 375HP (it is a 300hp stock 4 bolt main motor). This will be plenty for the Fiero and should help to make it a fun reliable toy. While I'm having fun with it, I can either rebuild the 350 that's in it now or find that 302 or 327 I want for the Fiero. I think the Fiero needs more HP and revs versus the grunt. I also would like to add the F40 6 spd. So now that have all the parts, the machine work is done and I started building the motor yesterday, I plan to finish this motor by next weekend and set it in the corner to await a swap into the Coupe (as soon as I get the Monte running).

Fresh from the machine shop - bored .030 over:


I went through and ran a tap through all the main cap bolt holes and then cleaned out all the oil passages - I was surprised at how clean it was from the machine shop. They did a great job cleaning the motor - hope thier machine work is as good - this is the first time I have used this machine shop - so far so good!


I installed the main bearings and torqued the mains down then mic'd the mains in the block and on the crank - the crank was turned .010 under. All within spec.



Next was to intsall the crank with a new double lip hi perf rear main seal - used lots of assembly lube. Then once it was all torqued down, I checked the end play - within spec!


More this weekend!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 05-23-2010).]

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #386, 05-27-2010 08:08 PM
      MMMMMmmmmm. New projects rock.
Have you priced wheelie bars for a fiero yet???


katatak MSG #387, 05-27-2010 08:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

MMMMMmmmmm. New projects rock.
Have you priced wheelie bars for a fiero yet???


Heehee..... This will be a mild 350hp motor - I hope wheelie bars will not be necassary! And, I have changed my mind again. Actually, my older brother changed my mind! I really need to keep this motor in the Monte - numbers matching and all - helps to retain the value - In reality, the value does not matter to me becuase it will be in my stable till I'm gone! Having said that, I really do want to keep the Monte as close to factory as possible - it's just been in my family too long to do anything else with. So, I am on the hunt for a 327 or a 302 - I want to build a screamer motor for the Fiero. So the Coupe is on the back burner again........ Poor car may never get done. Maybe I'll have to sell it off! Anyone looking for a V8 Coupe? I can;t believe I said that......................


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #388, 05-27-2010 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

. So the Coupe is on the back burner again........ Poor car may never get done. Maybe I'll have to sell it off! Anyone looking for a V8 Coupe? I can;t believe I said that......................


ummmmmm.......

Everytime I get my mind made up on what I want to tinker with, you go and ruin it by selling something I want! I have been switching between trucks, station wagons, and other fieros.

It's white (like everything else I own), V-8, stick, I got a motor that could be available. hmmmmm

(wanna finish the "wedge"?)



Tony Kania MSG #389, 05-27-2010 09:21 PM
      My personal opinion knowing the story of the Monte, I would keep the original engine in her. My $.02.

The 88 is looking great!


katatak MSG #390, 05-29-2010 10:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


ummmmmm.......

Everytime I get my mind made up on what I want to tinker with, you go and ruin it by selling something I want! I have been switching between trucks, station wagons, and other fieros.

It's white (like everything else I own), V-8, stick, I got a motor that could be available. hmmmmm

(wanna finish the "wedge"?)


I am trying to cull the herd - not add to it! I would make you a killer deal!


katatak MSG #391, 05-29-2010 10:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

My personal opinion knowing the story of the Monte, I would keep the original engine in her. My $.02.

The 88 is looking great!


Thanks Tony, You are 100% right - the Monte will remain a numbers matching car. Spent a lot of time yesterday stuffing pistons in the block. It's been a long time since I built a motor - it's a lot more work than I remember.

More later.

Pat


katatak MSG #392, 06-22-2010 02:19 PM
      Fired up the V8 Coupe this AM. After about an hour on the battery charger she fired right off. Getting the itch to do something with this car again. I really need to get a windshield put in it and get it registered so I can start driving/playing with it. I'm going to move it around to the garage this evening and give it a much needed tune up. Plugs, wires, carb cleaning/rebuilding, try to get the timing set correctly and I need to give some time and attention to the water pump belt/pulley setup.

More later!

Pat



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #393, 06-22-2010 07:24 PM
      Pat ya been to quite lately.

katatak MSG #394, 06-22-2010 09:50 PM
      I know - been working on Jeff's 3800 SC swap and building an engine for my Monte project. Plus it's too damn hot!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 06-22-2010).]

katatak MSG #395, 07-25-2010 04:32 PM
      V8 Coupe update. I will be taking it in a new direction this Fall/Winter. In the planning stages now but I would like some feed back before I start hacking and slashing.

Not a new idea for a Fiero but It's something I have been thinking about for awhile. So heres the plan - turn the V8 Coupe into a Fiero Roadster. Take the top off and shorten the windshield - more of a windscreen. Remove the gas tank and install a fuel cell in the trunk/spare tire well area. Remove the gas tank tunnel and "flatten" the floor. Build a custom tube "inner" chassis to strengthen the roofless car. Add to that a double loop roll bar and then mold the B pillars and firewall in with a "roadster" style pan. Remove all the interior and fab rolled and beaded aluminum for the dash and door pannles and the an aluminum floor pan. Build a narrower - lower center console and relocate the shifter back towards the driver - minimize the "reach". I'm going for that race car - road race - nascar - prostreet look. Clean and simple. Use aftermarket speedo, tach and gauges. For color, I'm thinking British Green with a single 3 or 4" offset of center white or yellow stripe. Replace the 4 spd with a 5 or 6 speed. And rod the crap out of it - maybe even do some suspension work and go do some auto cross with it? This way I get to have my 2 seat sports car with a SBC and maybe feel like I'm driving a Cobra?

More this Fall!

Pat


Jake_Dragon MSG #396, 07-25-2010 10:19 PM
      Why are you removing the center tunnel?
Thats where most of the cars strength is. If anything I would beef it up more and tie it into the roll bar and add heaver tube to the outside frame rails.


katatak MSG #397, 08-08-2010 10:23 PM
      I have already changed my mind about turning this car into a "roadster". For now, I will clean up the exterior and drop in a 383/5spd and just enjoy it. I'm getting a little "project" weary. Right in the middle of a 3800 SC swap, a 3.4 swap and have another 3.4 and 2.8 swap waiting in line. Some where in there I have to get my Monte Carlo finsihed and get some work on my 47 Chevy Truck done. It's going to be a busy next couple or three months.

I did get a "friend" for the V8 Coupe - so it would not feel negelcted sitting in the backyard!



Uh Oh! looks like one more project has arrived. I trll ya, I am sick! I got a bad Fiero bug!

More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 08-08-2010).]

Tony Kania MSG #398, 08-09-2010 10:32 AM
      You brought back the Short Bus? I haven't caught this thread in a minute. She is progressing nicely. Cool pic that I saw yesterday with all the Fieros filling up the street. You guys seem to have a really great group of Fiero enthusiasts down there. It reminds me of our close knit community here in the Inland Northwest. Best of luck with the rest of the build.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #399, 08-09-2010 10:57 AM
     

Congratulations on landing the Bus ! What are your plans for her ?


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #400, 08-09-2010 05:37 PM
      Somehow I think the Bus has yet to see its best days.
BTW Pat, quit throwing money at that coupe! It'll just be more outta my pocket when I come get it!


Rick 88 MSG #401, 08-09-2010 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

Somehow I think the Bus has yet to see its best days.
BTW Pat, quit throwing money at that coupe! It'll just be more outta my pocket when I come get it!


I sense an obsessive, compulsive disorder.......


chrismclubm MSG #402, 08-09-2010 11:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:



If only those were Boston subs ! Personally I think pyle puts too much magnet and no performance, I hate them :P Though I did use them in my fiero a while back and they performed mediocre to well...



katatak MSG #403, 08-14-2010 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

You brought back the Short Bus? I haven't caught this thread in a minute. She is progressing nicely. Cool pic that I saw yesterday with all the Fieros filling up the street. You guys seem to have a really great group of Fiero enthusiasts down there. It reminds me of our close knit community here in the Inland Northwest. Best of luck with the rest of the build.



Hey Tony,

I am pretty lucky to have these Fiero fanatics here in El Paso and New Mexico. They are a great group and between all of us, there are 7 different projects going on. Keeps us pretty busy. We are having a blast.


katatak MSG #404, 08-14-2010 11:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Congratulations on landing the Bus ! What are your plans for her ?


Well the Bus is not mine - or at least not yet? There was a lot of "horse" trading that went on about a week ago. I am still not exactly sure who is going to end up with what. We know Carver1 got a 4.9 to stuff in his 88 GT - I think he will have it running this weekend! There are a few swaps coming up between the Bus and another Fiero - not sure what the fate of the Bus will be just yet - you never know - it could end up with a V8? regardless, it will be on the road - some new paint and wheels - some suspension work and a little tweaking here an there. As soon as we have Jeff's 88 3800 SC swap done, the Bus will be coming in the garage. I'll start a thread for it here in the next few weeks. Got a lot going on right now and it's hard just keeping it all moving forward.


katatak MSG #405, 09-07-2010 11:38 PM
      Well I forgot to post an update on the Coupe. Saturday - during the intermission between finishing Jeff's car and starting on the Bus, we tinkered with the V8 Coupe a little. Pulled the plugs to check check the dizzy position/timing stuff and found that the number one plug was up against the alternator? Could not remove the bot or the plug without removing the alternator? Found that the boot had a hole wore in it and was shorting out on the alternator! No wonder it was running like caca. I will have to relocate the alternator. After we put it back together - with the new plug boot "wearing" on the alternator, we messed with the carb a little and the timing and I took it for a drive. What a difference one cylinder makes! It's a whole nother animal now. Still got some bottom end noise so I will drop the pan and check the bearings. Just another project in the pipeline!




More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #406, 09-26-2010 12:26 AM
      Tomorrow the Bus will be finished (running and driving again!) and the V8 Coupe will be coming in so I can drop the pan and check out the crank. I also will relocate the alternator and rework the exhaust. Should have some pics tomorrow!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #407, 09-26-2010 09:48 AM
      Pat is that you underneath the car?

katatak MSG #408, 09-26-2010 11:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat is that you underneath the car?


Hey Joe,

Nope - not me - that's Jeff - he owns the 88 GT that we just swapped a 3800 SC into. You will notice in all of my threads - all of the pics I post, you will never see a picture of me doing anything....lol!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #409, 09-27-2010 02:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Hey Joe,

Nope - not me - that's Jeff - he owns the 88 GT that we just swapped a 3800 SC into. You will notice in all of my threads - all of the pics I post, you will never see a picture of me doing anything....lol!

Pat


That's, because you are always taking pictures.....


Sofa King MSG #410, 09-27-2010 10:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


You will notice in all of my threads - all of the pics I post, you will never see a picture of me doing anything....lol!

Pat


LOL! He's the one with the whip and beer in one hand and the camera in the other. Always behind the lens...

[This message has been edited by Sofa King (edited 09-27-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #411, 09-27-2010 09:50 PM
      katatak is sorta like "The Stig" was.....a little mysterious................

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 09-27-2010).]

Bloozberry MSG #412, 09-27-2010 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

You will notice in all of my threads - all of the pics I post, you will never see a picture of me doing anything....lol!

Pat


So Pat, does that mean we will see a picture of you doing nothing?


katatak MSG #413, 09-28-2010 10:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bloozberry:


So Pat, does that mean we will see a picture of you doing nothing?


I don't know if that picture exists. Everyone else is always busy doing something - they do not have time to take pics.


Tony Kania MSG #414, 09-29-2010 12:39 PM
      I would love to come down to Texas one day, and witness this nothing. You all seem like a very fun group.

Pat, I watched something on the tube the other night about trains. I thought of you when they were testing the tracks for cracks and abnormalities. Pretty important stuff.



Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #415, 09-29-2010 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


LOL! He's the one with the whip and beer in one hand and the camera in the other. Always behind the lens...



No, that would be Rick.....he's the one cracking the whip and limiting the union breaks.


Rick 88 MSG #416, 09-29-2010 05:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


No, that would be Rick.....he's the one cracking the whip and limiting the union breaks.


Arrrgh, tote that trans....lift that cradle.....no slackers here!!!

Only problem is I am usually chained to my desk at work, so these guys always exceed the Union break limit...

By the way "Frak", where have you been hiding out?

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 09-29-2010).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #417, 09-29-2010 10:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


Arrrgh, tote that trans....lift that cradle.....no slackers here!!!

Only problem is I am usually chained to my desk at work, so these guys always exceed the Union break limit...

By the way "Frak", where have you been hiding out?



YES SIR!!! YES SIR!!! Oh...wait...we're not wrenching now....it was just a nightmare. whew!

Been busy of late, and slightly out of commission at the moment, but shall return soon. We have cars to build



Rick 88 MSG #418, 09-30-2010 05:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


YES SIR!!! YES SIR!!! Oh...wait...we're not wrenching now....it was just a nightmare. whew!

Been busy of late, and slightly out of commission at the moment, but shall return soon. We have cars to build


Hope you feel better soon. You have got to go for a ride in the Mera. Plus, I want to see the new wheels on the Vette. Did you see Tom's new Vette yet? It looks familiar for some reason..........


katatak MSG #419, 10-18-2010 10:12 PM
      So here's an update. After much deliberation, it looks like the V8 Coup is next on the list for some much needed work. As mentioned, there seems to be a bottom end knock in the 350 so my plan was to pull the car in the garage, drop the pan and inspect the rod bearings and mains. I have also been in the process of rebuilding my 70 Monte Carlo but just can;t seem to get it finished (too many Fiero projects). No matter how hard I work at it, I just can't seem to "finidh" any of my projects. Main reason is becuase I have too many! I have always wanted to do a complete rebuild of the Monte and build a "pro touring" car out of it. The direction I was heading in was just not ever going to accomplish that. I have decided that the Monte will become a long term porject and I will build it the way I want - regardless of how long it takes.

So, the V8 Coupe will be getting the freshly rebuilt 350 for the Monte. I was reluctant to put another motor in this car simply because I could not justify putting a 2500.00 motor into a 2000.00 Fiero - especially when it already has a 2000 mile 350 in it. After the V8 Coupe if insihed and running, I will check out the bottom end of the 350 I take out of the Coupe, repair/rebuild what I need to and put it in my 47 Chevy truck that I will sell once it is up and running.

I will start on the Coupe project this weekend - plan is to drop the 350 out and get it on the cradle stand. I need to do an alternator relocation as it is interferring with the number one spark plug/boot so I will mock it up on the old engine. I will also work on the water pump setup? Not sure exaclty what I am going to do but I do not like the pulley hanging out in the fenderwell. I have an idea using a variable speed electric motor to spin the h2o pump - just have to think it through. I'd also like to upgrade to a 5 speed but I like the "streetability" of the 4 speed? Another thing to think through. Should be a pretty quick turn around. The new motor is ready to go with the exception of the Intake which I can throw on in under 30 minutes.

More to come!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #420, 10-19-2010 09:58 PM
      Sounds like you have it all lined out, just a little cooperation with the wife and weather is all ya need now.

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #421, 10-20-2010 11:49 PM
      You just need to hand over that coupe to your favorite New Mexican and half of your problems will be solved!



Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #422, 10-21-2010 10:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I'd also like to upgrade to a 5 speed but I like the "streetability" of the 4 speed? Another thing to think through.


Hmmmm.....I might just know someone that is wanting to part with a good condition Getrag setup.....The dude is wanting a 4T60 if you can believe that.


katatak MSG #423, 10-22-2010 02:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Hmmmm.....I might just know someone that is wanting to part with a good condition Getrag setup.....The dude is wanting a 4T60 if you can believe that.


Looks like I need to start looking for a non e 4t60 for some trading material........


Gokart Mozart MSG #424, 10-22-2010 01:36 PM
      not that I can get it but can you post pics of the truck?

katatak MSG #425, 10-22-2010 11:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

not that I can get it but can you post pics of the truck?


As requested:



katatak MSG #426, 10-22-2010 11:35 PM
      I guess I should add that it is currently in several pieces!

Here's how it sits today:



I have all the parts to put it back together. All new glass, rubber, bolts, hinges, yada yada yada.... Just need to get off my Fiero addiction and do something different!


katatak MSG #427, 10-23-2010 09:08 PM
      Alright, here we go!

I pulled the Coupe in the garage this afternoon and started pulling the motor. This is the first "major" mechanical work that I have done on this car since I picked it up last year. Other than the interior work I did last Winter, all I have really done is start it and drive it around a little. The plan is to drop this 350 out and install a fresh built 350 I have in the garage.

Ran into a few issues that have caused me a little giref. First off, after looking at it, I do not see any other way to drop the cradle without removeing the water pump. Not a big deal other than access to one of the water pump bolts is a PITA. My son CJ was able to get his mits in there and he removed the pump. The other issue is that the Torx bolts that hold the e brake cable to the calipers are stripped out! I got aggrevated and gave it up for this evening. Tomorrow I will weld a nut to each and take them out that way. I alos have a set of those "bolt" extractors. I may give those a try first.

Set her up!




Wrestle with the H20 pump a little! I love it when the boys want to jump in and help. Of course he thinks this is "his" car.



More tomorrow,

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 10-23-2010).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #428, 10-23-2010 10:06 PM
      Hmmmmmm.....while it's down, it needs a Getrag transplant as well.

Rick 88 MSG #429, 10-24-2010 03:01 PM
      Pat, glad the Formula is not clunking anymore. That V8 car is going to be a hoot! I am stuck doing honey do's today, but I am off Thursday. Will you be here. I can come over and wrench.

katatak MSG #430, 10-24-2010 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, glad the Formula is not clunking anymore. That V8 car is going to be a hoot! I am stuck doing honey do's today, but I am off Thursday. Will you be here. I can come over and wrench.


I get home Thursday morning. I think we are going to make a big push to finish the Bus Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Going to try and "borrow" a paint booth for some finish work - it's just too much work trying to paint outside! I'll do a little tinkering with the Coupe in the evenings after dark. I have to weld some nuts to some stripped bolts in order to get the calipers off. That's all that's left to drop it. Everything will be soaking in PB Blaster till I get home Thursday. Sitting in the Ariport in Houston right now - I'd rather be home working on the Coupe!

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #431, 10-24-2010 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Hmmmmmm.....while it's down, it needs a Getrag transplant as well.


I was going to "search" for a non e 4t60 this week - it will have to wait till next weekend! Maybe we can "Make a Deal"? Man that sounds a lot like another project to me!


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #432, 10-24-2010 08:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I was going to "search" for a non e 4t60 this week - it will have to wait till next weekend! Maybe we can "Make a Deal"? Man that sounds a lot like another project to me!


Yeah....this madness has to stop. Cruising is much more fun than wrenching.


katatak MSG #433, 10-27-2010 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Yeah....this madness has to stop. Cruising is much more fun than wrenching.


I agree, we need to drive these cars some - now that it's cooling off - a run to Old Messila or up to Timburon - before it snows?


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #434, 10-27-2010 11:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I agree, we need to drive these cars some - now that it's cooling off - a run to Old Messila or up to Timburon - before it snows?


I'm in. Just say when. A burger & suds in Timberon sounds good.


katatak MSG #435, 10-28-2010 11:17 PM
      Got home from Omaha this afternoon and just could not stand it so I went to work on the Coupe. I had a problem with a stripped out torx bolt that holds the left side ebrake cable to the caliper. I had an old rounded off #45 torx bit so I welded it to the torx bolt and she bakced right out. After I removed the caliper, I pulled the rotor off and had a nice Haloween scare. A very large Black Widow Spider was hiding behind the hub! One of the biggest Black Widows I have ever seen. My wife told me that she seen the spider hanging from her web the night before and tried to spray here with some killer but missed and she got away. Let's just say that spider did not get away this time.

I went around to the other side - and now I was on "spider" guard. Got the passenger side apart and then slid underneath to get the sway bar and the exhaust out of the way.

Check out this fine exhaust system:

No wonder this thing sounded so ill!

Anyway, after a little work, the old 350 nearly fell out.


Raise the car up to the cieling and roll the heart out:


And up on the cart for easy dismantling:




And put to bed!


More later!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #436, 10-29-2010 01:21 PM
      Wow Pat....you barely had time to slip into the phone booth and come out in your Superman cape See you tomorrow for the Jan-o-thon

Rick 88 MSG #437, 10-29-2010 09:13 PM
      As usual.....I have to work

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #438, 10-30-2010 12:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

As usual.....I have to work


We'll be on the West side.....meet us for lunch?


katatak MSG #439, 10-30-2010 01:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Wow Pat....you barely had time to slip into the phone booth and come out in your Superman cape See you tomorrow for the Jan-o-thon


Some folks drink warm milk when they can't sleep, others count sheep - I swap motors in Fiero's - it's therapy! I'll be there tomorrow - sometime after 10am.


Rick 88 MSG #440, 10-30-2010 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


I'm in. Just say when. A burger & suds in Timberon sounds good.


I'm not sure if I want to go that far in the Mera yet. How about Mesilla at least I would have a place to say if "Sofia" acts up.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #441, 10-30-2010 09:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


I'm not sure if I want to go that far in the Mera yet. How about Mesilla at least I would have a place to say if "Sofia" acts up.


NO worries either way. I have connections. We'll get her home. But I'm always down for La Posta



katatak MSG #442, 10-31-2010 09:38 PM
      La Posta, La Posta, La Posta!

Anyway, I seperated the 350 from the trans this morning. My goal was to flip her upside down and pull the pan but I got side tracked woth the Bus.


Rick 88 MSG #443, 11-01-2010 07:02 PM
      Holy Flying motors!!! Are you going to be there on Wednesday? I to agree that a La Posta run (Con Cerveza) is necessary to our health and well being!!

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #444, 11-01-2010 10:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Holy Flying motors!!! Are you going to be there on Wednesday? I to agree that a La Posta run (Con Cerveza) is necessary to our health and well being!!


Well, it's unanimous. La Posta con cerveza.


Rick 88 MSG #445, 11-05-2010 02:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Well, it's unanimous. La Posta con cerveza.


Next weekend perhaps? It's my long one. The leaves at Stahman's may be changing also.....


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #446, 11-05-2010 03:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:


Next weekend perhaps? It's my long one. The leaves at Stahman's may be changing also.....


I had yesterday off, so I took the Vette up to Mesilla solo yesterday. Leaves aren't changing yet, but was a nice relaxing drive.


katatak MSG #447, 11-09-2010 09:01 PM
      Update!

Today I pulled the pan off the 350 out of the Coupe. I was surprized to see it is a 4 bolt - but that's the good news. I pulled the Number 1 and 2 rod caps - sure enough, the bearings are shot and the crank is not good. I checked the bearings - they are 020 over sized! Not sure if the crank can go another 010 or not. PLus whoever put this motor together did a hack job. Looks like a couple different style rod caps - maybe rods. Only a couple had been numbered - the number 7 piston is in the number 1 hole and the number 3 piston is in the number 7 hole plus it looks like not all the rod caps were oreintated correctly. It will have to be torn down and done right - maybe a new crank too! It never ends.

Number 1 on the right and number 2 on the left: You can see why it had a knock. I bet these 2 are not the worst either.





Good thing I have a fresh 350 standing by! Now I have to fidure out how to get this plug out of the block:



This is where the remote oil filter fitting is plumbed into the other motor. It looks like its a "freeze" plug kind of thing. When I get it out, I may need to thread the hole to take the fitting? I'll figure it out later.

More later!

Pat



katatak MSG #448, 11-14-2010 06:54 PM
      Tinkered a little on the Coupe today. Tore the cradle apart - got the trans removed and just need to take it to the steam cleaner to get the grime off of it.






Will have to do a little welding on this one!


More next weekend!

Pat



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #449, 11-20-2010 04:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Good thing I have a fresh 350 standing by! Now I have to fidure out how to get this plug out of the block:



This is where the remote oil filter fitting is plumbed into the other motor. It looks like its a "freeze" plug kind of thing. When I get it out, I may need to thread the hole to take the fitting? I'll figure it out later.

More later!

Pat


That plug is where I put my oil pressure switch/sensor. I used a adapter for the remote oil filter that didn't use that hole, it also had no plug in it when I got the block.


katatak MSG #450, 11-20-2010 10:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:


That plug is where I put my oil pressure switch/sensor. I used a adapter for the remote oil filter that didn't use that hole, it also had no plug in it when I got the block.


Hey Jim,

I ended up trying several "configurations" using elbows and such right off the adapter but no matter what I did, I had clearance issues with the mini starter. I ended up drilling most of the plug out - it was 1/2" long plug. I worked with a few different sized drill bits until I got to one that was just slightly smaller than the polug itself and it spun itself out. I did have to tap the hole for the fitting to attach the oil filter line too. SHould be putting it all back together this week.

Pat


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #451, 11-21-2010 08:50 AM
      I probably have a little more clearance because I'm using a 280z starter.

I may have missed it, but whats does your water pump setup look like?


katatak MSG #452, 11-21-2010 12:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

I probably have a little more clearance because I'm using a 280z starter.

I may have missed it, but whats does your water pump setup look like?


It's the stock "shorty" SBC pump - uses the Archie "extended" pulley setup that sticks out into the fenderwell. I do not like it and I am looking at the alternatives? Just not sure what to do yet.


katatak MSG #453, 11-22-2010 07:30 PM
      Update:

I have this week off so I am trying to focus on the V8 Coupe. Got the Cradle cleaned up and ready for some paint along with the trans. As I posted above, I had to drill out a plug in the block in order for the remote oil filter setup to work on this new motor. I first tapped the hole for 1/4 pipe but the initial hole was too large. I could not get the 1/4" pipe to tighten down and I knew there was no way I could get it to seal. Today, I went and picked up a 3/8" pipe tap and 9/16" drill. After drilling the hole out, I ran the tap in. The 3/8" pipe tightened down perfectly - hope it does not leak!

On a side note, after reading the thread about Komander Keen's swap project and all the drama about the title issues, I decided that I needed to do some much needed title work today. The V8 Coupe and my 47 Chevy truck had never been titled in my name so I went to DMV this morning and got the title work done. Cost me 150.00 for both so I was not terribly shocked and I feel a lot better putting more work and money in both projects.

Cradle ready for paint:


Trans ready for paint:


Oil hole too big for 1/4" pipe:


Drilled out - ruined my new motor paint job!


3/8" pipe and fittings ready for the oil lines!


Getting closer!


And a totally random pic - Seems like everywhere I go, I find something that reminds me of the Fiero! This was the meeting room at a Lodge I was at last week for a Staff Meeting!


More tomorrow!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 11-22-2010).]

katatak MSG #454, 11-23-2010 08:27 PM
      Plan for the day was to get the cradle finished and ready to receive the nw motor. Never got to the cradle! Alos wanted to get the trans ready to go - I did get the new axle seals in and got it painted. I wanted to get the valvetrin put together in the motor and get the intake installed. As I was installing the push rods, I was "eyeballing" the new Comp Cams push rods and found one that had a piece of junk lodged inside the tube. I could shake it and hear it rattle and it was restricting the inside oil passage. I messed with it for quite a while. I got these at our local speedshop here in El Paso (Yearwood Speed and Custom) which is clear across town! So I jumped in the XTC and headed out. Went into Yearwood expecting a hassle and much to my surprize, was treated like I owned the place. While I was there I dropped another 100.00 on "goodies" so it was in thier best interest to make me happy.

Got back to the house and installed the replacement push rod, adjusted the valves, installed the rocker nut locks and then installed the manifold. I was hoping to be a little further down the road and wanted to be ready to install the bellhousing adapter, flywheel, clutch and trans this afternoon. Maybe in the morning!

Trans is ready:


Lifters going in:


Pushrods and rockers going in:


All done but the one!


Ready for the Intake:


Parked for the night:


More tomorrow!

Pat


katatak MSG #455, 11-24-2010 08:13 PM
      Had big plans today! Wanted to get the motor mated to the trans and mounted back on the cradle. The trans kicked by but all day. It was hard to get the clutch disc lined up perfect due to the crank not having a pilot bushing thus not allowing the clutch tool to center the disc. After a lot of manipulating, cussing, grunting, etc. I won the battle.

I thought I would be smart and I made some "alignment" pins figuring that I could slip the trans on the pins and then wiggle it into place - no such luck. I stood the motor on it's nose, removed the alignment pins and then set the trans straight down on the motor. I could not for the life of me get the output shaft to spline up. I sat down in the lawn chair to take a union break and think about it. I reached over to give the trans a little twist and thunk..... Fell right into place?

Then I drug the cradle around front and did some grinding and welding and gave it up for the night.

On the hoist ready for the flywheel, clutch and adapter plate:


Fywheel and adapter plate installed - I used all new bolts, flats and lock washers - the PO used just bolts through the plate and "gouged" out some nice divets in the aluminum plate:


Disc and pressure plate in place :


Trans bolted up:


Some of the welds from the PO were cracked so I ground them down and rewelded them. Also did a poor job of cutting off the old mount so I trimmed it off and ground it down smooth:


If I can sneak out of the house for a little tomorrow, I may be able to get the motor/trans/cradle back together!

More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #456, 11-24-2010 08:19 PM
      Have a Happy 'T' Day Pat, and to the rest of you El Paso Fiero Nuts. Enjoy your Holidays guys , you have all earned it this past year. I think I just named your group. The EPFNs

Joe

[This message has been edited by josef644 (edited 11-24-2010).]

katatak MSG #457, 11-25-2010 11:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Have a Happy 'T' Day Pat, and to the rest of you El Paso Fiero Nuts. Enjoy your Holidays guys , you have all earned it this past year. I think I just named your group. The EPFNs

Joe



Hope you and yours have a great Thanksgiving Joe!

Pat


katatak MSG #458, 11-25-2010 03:18 PM
      Yahoo.... I was able to spend about 3 hours in the garage today - managed to get caught up to where I wanted to be yesterday. Got the motor back on the cradle and started to work on the new trans mounts. It had stock rubber trans mounts that were pretty much shot. I am going to cut the rubber off the original mounts and build a solid (tubular) steel piece to replace the rubber. The motor is already solid monuted at the front and now the trans will be solid mounted. This eliminates the need for some kind of torque strut - had one from the PO made out of a piece of pipe bolted solid to the cradle and the head. I'm not too worried about vibration transferred into the car - the cradle retains the rubber cradle mounts.

Mounted and ready for all the little pieces and parts:




More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #459, 11-26-2010 03:25 PM
      Looking good Pat! The engine has an "industrial look" to it. I like it! Glad you caught that pushrod issue. Your rear tires are not long for this earth.

katatak MSG #460, 11-26-2010 10:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Looking good Pat! The engine has an "industrial look" to it. I like it! Glad you caught that pushrod issue. Your rear tires are not long for this earth.


Hey Rick - It falls in line with that "sleeper" look. It's a no frills street rod! I seriously thought about painting the manifold the same color as the block but I just could nt bring myself to spary piant on that nice clean aluminum manifold!


katatak MSG #461, 11-26-2010 11:16 PM
      Did not get much done on the Coupe today. I got up early and went to the Mega Pull - looking to see if they had any "fresh" Fiero's. Found only one - a sad looking 84 base coupe - no options, no AC, etc. Motor and trans were removed but the cradle was bolted in. The 4 spd was in the trunk along with both axles - I think I'll go back tomorrow and pick up those axles. Never can have enough manual outer axles! There really is nothing else salvagable on this car. It looks like is was buried in the sand dunes with the windows down.

I was also looking for a 3800SC motor - they sell motors at this mega pull for 199.00 - you take your chances but 200 bucks for a buildable core is not too bad. I found one and there is definitely something wrong with the blower - turns real easy about 180 degrees then there is a clunk! It will still rotate but feels goofy. Spin it the opposite direction and it's free for 180 the clunk. Like there are teeth missing off a gear!

I am also looking for a 500 Caddy motor. Right in the front row of the GM section is a 71 Sedan DeVille. I open the hood and the motor is missing the manifold and heads. A quick check of the emissions sticker showed that it is a 472. I check the trunk and what do I find? 2 Brand new - wrapped in plastic GM 472 heads - complete! So I contemplate snagging them! But I really want a complete 500 motor - I could grab these heads and maybe sell them for a profit - but how many people in El Paso are looking for 472 Caddy heads? Maybe I'll change my mind by the AM.

Another item on my list was a GP Leather covered snake head auto shifter knob. Found several but they were in rough shape - picked up 2 in decent condition - 1 with the OD button and one without the OD button. I installed the OD version in the XTC - now I have a Nitrous button!

When I was done at the yard, I went to the 2 speed shops in town - I was looking for a T Stat / Fill housing for the Coupe. Same guy owns both speed shops and I ran into him at his original store. We got to BSing and spent an hour and a half there. He has some serious hot rod goodies in the back room! He had what I was looking for at his other store so I headed over there. When I got home, Jeff stopped by and we went looking for a couple of hood bumpers for his Vette and I needed a windshield washer pump for the wife's Durango. We spent another 2.5 hours wandering around junk yards. Found a perfect white Fiero Hood with the headlight doors! We did find the bumpers - but probably not the right ones and the pump for the Durango. All in all a succesful day but did not get any real Fiero work done.

Tomorrow we are going to try and button up Jan's 3.4 swap! Hope we can get her fired up tomorrow.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #462, 11-28-2010 12:30 AM
      Not much done to the V8 Coupe today! I did get one of the solid trans mounts fabbed up this AM then spent most the day over at Jan's working on his Formula. Did not get it fired up but it's pretty close now. Just have to install a few hoses, fuel lines and some odds and ends.

More later!

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #463, 11-28-2010 09:04 AM
      Pat, when do you plan on installing it? I have my long weekend coming up/

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #464, 11-28-2010 12:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, when do you plan on installing it? I have my long weekend coming up/


Count me in too.


katatak MSG #465, 11-28-2010 04:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, when do you plan on installing it? I have my long weekend coming up/


I'm shooting for a motor stuff next Friday/Saturday - just waiting for the headers to show up. I have a few little things left to button up but I will get it all done this week. Finished the solid trans mount this morning after fixing the tail lights on the XTC and installing new locking hood pins. The mount turned out great. I am debating on messing with the other one - it's in a lot better shape than the one I built and not near as soft and flexible. I'll look at it a little closer this week.

Here's the mount!




More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #466, 12-01-2010 11:42 PM
      When I came home from work today, my Wife told me that my Christmas present came today and that I would have to leave it under the tree until Christmas day. I told her that it was OK - I'd just have to leave the Coupe in the garage till then. She handed over the box and said Happy Early Christmas.....

In the box - my new Shorty headers. Now I hope they will fit. I'm a little worried about the firewall side! It will be close and I may have to build a heat shield on the firewall? I'll know for sure Friday!

And the new headers:



I will install these bare so that I can build the exhaust and strat the motor for break in. Once it's all up and running, I will take the headers off and send them off for ceramic coating. This was the last piece I was waiting on to finish up the V8 Coupe's new motor. Maybe I can have it running this weekend????

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #467, 12-02-2010 10:52 PM
      This evening, I decided to bolt on the headers and slip the motor in the car to check clearance. I was worried that these headers may be a little tight and I think I have to do some "engineering" to get some clearance both trunk side and firewall side. I was more worried about the firewall side but it actually looks better than the trucnk side. I have to remove the heater lines on the Firewall side and maybe relocate the crossover coolant tube/hose. The truck side looks to be a little tighter but I am planning on cutting the truck anyway so I can incorporate the "clearance" into the truck cut. Seems like a lot to do just to be able to use these headers but I was planning on the modifications anyway.

Motor with headers:



Slipin her in!


Firewall side:


Trucnk side:


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-02-2010).]

Tony Kania MSG #468, 12-02-2010 11:39 PM
      Wish that I could be there as an extra hand. Looking good. I may have to call up Fieroking, and put in some hours in his garage. Since Benjamin's birth, I have neglected my poor Fiero. I need to work on something...

katatak MSG #469, 12-03-2010 12:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Wish that I could be there as an extra hand. Looking good. I may have to call up Fieroking, and put in some hours in his garage. Since Benjamin's birth, I have neglected my poor Fiero. I need to work on something...


Hey Tony!

I'm sure Fieroking would let you do some wrenching! You need to take Benjamin with you though - You have to start him off right - get him addicted before he realizes what you've done to him........ I'ts probably too cold for Fiero work up North! My Mom lives in Pocatello and she says it's been colder than a Witch's T.... well you know what I mean! Come on down, it was 68 here today!

Pat


kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #470, 12-03-2010 02:38 PM
      Hey kat,

Where did you get that interesting looking jack for the motor/cradle assembly? Looks trick.

Ken



katatak MSG #471, 12-03-2010 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kennn:

Hey kat,

Where did you get that interesting looking jack for the motor/cradle assembly? Looks trick.

Ken



Hey Ken,

It's a Motorcycle/ATV jack! It works perfect for swapping Fiero motors! I just lay a couple 2X6's long enough for the cradle to sit on and away I go. This particular jack has a lot of Fiero experience. It's up to about 10 or 11 swaps now. I keep planning on building a platform that I can pin or bolt to the jack platform that fits the cradel a little better. I installed the V8 this afternoon - by myself and it took all of 10 minutes to slide it under the car, jack it up, a little wiggle and the front bolts slid in with no hammering and then jack it up some more and slip in the rear bolts - done! I got this one at Harbor Frieght - many years ago. I have seen them sell for as low as 89.00. It's the only way to swap a motor


katatak MSG #472, 12-03-2010 09:30 PM
      Today's update!

This afternoon I managed to remove the heater lines and get the trunk cut out. Then I installed the motor one more time to check clearance. Looks like I will have good clearance on the firewall side - I'll have to fab up a heat shield but that will be easy. On the trucnk side, it's a little too close for my liking. I think I will notch a section of the trunk wall and then build a "box" to create a recessed area to allow more air space between the header and the trunk wall. The only thing in the trunk will be the battery and some "road" tools but I would like to have it carpeted and think a little more clearance will do the trick. Now I need to decoide if I want to have the headers ceramic coated or is I will VHT them and the wrap with header wrap? Now I have to remove the motor one more time to finish up all the little odds and ends. While it's out of the way, I will finsih the engine compartment and do the mods to the trunk wall Lots of work still to do but I should be able to get most of it done this weekend.

I started by removing the inner fenderwells and then removed the taillights and rear bumper. When I pulled the first tail light, I found a "resident" from New Mexico! Or at least his house:



Then I removed the inner crush and steel bumper:



Then I removed the metal pan that the tail lights rest on and removed the tail light wiring harness:


Then I cut out the trunk: Carver1 would be proud of me - I "chopped" my first Fiero......





Now hear is the really cool part. With the trunk cut out, you do not need the back of the car raised into the stratosphere to slide the motor under the car. The SBC rolls under with plenty of clearance!


It's hard to make out in this pick - this is the firewall side with the cradle bolted in place. I will have to "tie" the crossover tube and wiring harness back against the firewall. I will also wrap both in heat resistant wrap. Then I will fab a heat shield that will bolt to some of the existing "stands" already on the firewall.


As for the trunk side, I think I will build a "reccess" in the trunk wall so that there will be more air space between the header and the trunk wall. This will take a little work. It will also mean a brake line relocation.



I also discovered that the timing tab on the timing cover will have to be "trimmed" a little as it touch's the passenger side frame rail. I am going to trim it about 1/2" and transfer the timing marks inward so that I will have a "normal" timing setup versus making marks on the flywheel and timing the car from underneath.

Looking good!



More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-03-2010).]

katatak MSG #473, 12-04-2010 09:05 PM
      Update!

Worked on closing the trunk bottom in today - had great ambition till about 10:30. Jeff came by around 1:00 and lit a little fire under by butt. We managed to get the new trunk bottom/pan in and tacked in place. Also added a "crossmember" under the new pan - have one more to add. These will serve 2 functions - a solid place to mount the battery tray and a spacer for the heat shield as the muffler(s) will be under the trunk bottom.

The new trunk pan:



In place with a few tacks:



Look at all the junk in my trunk!


More later!

Pat


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #474, 12-05-2010 12:15 AM
      Looks good! I'll chop the tops, and you can chop the bottoms?

I got the 86 in the garage for some tinkering tonight. Still brainstorming......I need a motor.


katatak MSG #475, 12-05-2010 10:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

Looks good! I'll chop the tops, and you can chop the bottoms?

I got the 86 in the garage for some tinkering tonight. Still brainstorming......I need a motor.


It's the "Brainstorming" part that has me worried - chopped, channeled, shaved??????? Wide body? You really need to do the 3800SC!


katatak MSG #476, 12-05-2010 10:39 PM
      Update!

Was out in the garage around 7:30am. Goal today was to get the trunk welded out and finish the passenger side frame reinforcement. I did not get either finished as I ran out of MIG wire and shield Gas at the same time? So I spent some time cleaning the engine compartment and the garage!

Just have to fill in the corners and apply some seam sealer then coat the inside and outside of the trunk:


Cleaned engine bay - just needs a new coat of paint:


I can't wait till I get this stuffed in for the last time!


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #477, 12-06-2010 08:43 PM
      Worked on the corner patches this afternoon. Only spent about an hour and a half but got it done.






And a cool looking Far West Texas sunset!



More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #478, 12-06-2010 10:11 PM
      Ya shoulda made me a pattern for that trunk bottom Pat.
Joe


katatak MSG #479, 12-07-2010 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Ya shoulda made me a pattern for that trunk bottom Pat.
Joe


I still can Joe! If you want one let me know - I'll fab it up out of some construction paper or card stock. I have patterns for the corner pieces already.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #480, 12-07-2010 02:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I still can Joe! If you want one let me know - I'll fab it up out of some construction paper or card stock. I have patterns for the corner pieces already.

Pat


That'ed be great Pat. I will be happy to pay for the trouble. I have been sorta wondering the best way to cover that danged hole up.
Joe


katatak MSG #481, 12-07-2010 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:


That'ed be great Pat. I will be happy to pay for the trouble. I have been sorta wondering the best way to cover that danged hole up.
Joe


No charge for you Joe. I'll get the pattern made tomorrow and send some dimensions along with what I did to get it all to fit. I'll have it in the mail by Thursday / Friday.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #482, 12-09-2010 08:35 PM
      Pat can you PM me a telephone number so I can give you a call please. I need to ask you a question or two.

Sofa King MSG #483, 12-10-2010 01:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

And a cool looking Far West Texas sunset!



Pat


FANTASTIC PICS! Taking the time to enjoy the free and little things in life...


katatak MSG #484, 12-10-2010 06:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


FANTASTIC PICS! Taking the time to enjoy the free and little things in life...


Once in awhile I look up from my Fiero wrenching and see something that needs to be admired. Great sunsets are few and far between out here in the sandbox.


katatak MSG #485, 12-10-2010 06:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat can you PM me a telephone number so I can give you a call please. I need to ask you a question or two.


PM sent Joe!


katatak MSG #486, 12-10-2010 07:15 PM
      Update!

Made some good progress today. Awhile back I bought some Camaro wheels and tires for my Monte. Mainly because the tires were brand new 16" Goodyear Assurance (stock tires for the Camaro is think). Anyway the tires/wheels were take offs and I got them for 100.00 so I could not pass thme up. Sometime after that, I picked up a set of 16" Z34 Baretta wheels and my plan was to swap the Camaro tires over onto the Baretta wheels and put them on the V8 Coupe. A co-worker called me yesterday needing a set of 16" wheels for his Camaro so I loaded up all the wheels and tires and headed for the tire shop. I got the tires swapped from the Camaro wheels to the Baretta wheels, new valve stems and balanced for 40.00 then sold the Camaro rims for 100.00. That ate up a couple hours. I also put the motor back in the car for a "final" test fit to check clearances, re routed and mounted the brake line and installed a heat shield to the bottom of the "new" trunk pan.

After getting the motor back in, I found that I need to do a little more clearance work on the passenger frame rail - the damper is just too close for my liking. Some of the reinforcement work I did is sticking out about 1/4" and it just barely makes contact with the damper. I'll have to drop the motor one more time to get at it. The motor is ready to run with the exception of the remote filter adapter - waiting on some seals for that. Then I can install it and the starter and it will be ready to fire up. I was hoping to have her running this weekend but it's looking more like next weekend now. It's always the "little" things that cause the biggest delays!

Here's my "new" tires and wheels for the V8 Coupe:


Brake line relocation:



Used some stainless cap screws/nuts to bolt the brake line to the bottom of the new trunk pan:



Then I had to do some work on the heat shield. I used the stock trunk heat shield and had to trim off the "bottom" and bend the "top" the opposite way.

It was bent up pretty bad so I had to "adjust" it a little:


Then trimmed it to size:


Cleaned and scrubbed:


Gave it a couple of coats of high heat paint:


Installed:


More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #487, 12-11-2010 12:27 PM
      Nice work Pat.

katatak MSG #488, 12-11-2010 10:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Nice work Pat.


Thanks Rick!

Did not get anything done today on the Coupe! After lunch, we were going to go to the Mega U Pull and do some exploring but never made it to the yard. Plan is for after noon/lunch tomorrow. Come and go with us! You never know what treasures you will find.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #489, 12-12-2010 11:55 AM
      Pat, You Da Man!

katatak MSG #490, 12-12-2010 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat, You Da Man!


Thanks Joe! Hope your harness is working out! I was "Cell phoneless" all day - I felt lost!

I spent about an hour this morning looking at the wiring in the Coupe - It really heeds to be cleaned up so that will be my project this week. That's about all I did on the Coupe - I did spend some time working on the XTC - got a proto type shift mechanizim installed and cleaned the K&N airfilter. Testing of the shift mech will be conducted this week!

More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #491, 12-13-2010 06:04 PM
      Pat I got the pattern in todays mail. Thanks
Joe


katatak MSG #492, 12-13-2010 07:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat I got the pattern in todays mail. Thanks
Joe


Anytime Joe! Hope it works for you.

Pat


katatak MSG #493, 12-14-2010 08:37 PM
      Got a couple packages from my favorite store this afternoon. It's been awhile since I ordered anything from Summit! I was surprised to see that there were 2 boxes for a single order? Aparrently they ship from several locations now - which ever location has the part in stock ships first. Personaly I find no problem with this but from a business view point, they are sending out double everything. In each box was a "swag" bag loaded with several couplns and flyers along with a new Shick 5 blade razor, a new catalog and a Xmas flyer! Not complaining as I got double the goodies but you would think that they would check the shipping address and regulate the extra goodies to one per address. Anyway, I got my new remote oil filter adapter and gaskets and got it and the lines installed this afternoon. I believe it will be running on Friday!

2 boxes for one order. One came from AZ and the other from GA


Each box had one part and all this "swag"



And the adapter and lines installed:


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #494, 12-16-2010 12:22 AM
      Well I tackled a little project that I have been putting off. As I posted earlier, the alternator was hitting the number one spark plug and I wanted to do a little adjustment to the Archie alternator bracket to drop the alternator down a little. I bolted the whole thing up in it's original location this afternoon to take a look. My neighbor Nathan stopped by and after bouncing it back and forth between the 2 of us, I jumped into fabbing a new bracket for the alternator. Being how I am not going to have AC on this car, I decided to drop the alternator down into the AC position.

Here's what it looked like:


First off, I had to remove the Archie motor mount because I had to cut off one of the AC mount ears:



Then I made a template for the new top bracket out of sheet metal:


Two of these bolt holes will bolt through to the block and the other two holes in the mount plate I threaded so I could bolt it to the mount plate.


Then I transferred the template to a piece of 1/4" plate and rough torched it out (Nathan offered to do it with his Plasma but I got in a hurry and hacked it out the old fashioned way). Once I had it roughed out, I took the grinder to it and got it into the shape I wanted.




Then I bolted it back on the motor and set the Alt in place. I had to go to AZ and get a couple belts so I could get the right length:


and for posterity - here's the belt number:


Once the belt was right, I had to fab an "adjustment" bar. Nothing fancy here, drill several holes in a row and used the cutt off disk on the 4" grinder to cut and slot it. Then used the dremel and a small stone to smooth out the inside of the slot:


Mounted in place with the belt tight. I still have to do a little "clean" up of the new brackets and paint them.


I need to put a little tweak in the upper bracket to get the alignment just right:


I spent a couple hours on it but I think it will be perfect. The alternator is now down and away from the header and the spark plug on number one.

More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #495, 12-16-2010 03:55 PM
      Good thinking Pat. Maybe you should offer a kit!

katatak MSG #496, 12-16-2010 11:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Good thinking Pat. Maybe you should offer a kit!


It's too much work!


katatak MSG #497, 12-16-2010 11:26 PM
      Not much happening today! I did remove the alternator and did some clean up/painting on the new brackets. Got it mounted back up. I also got the rest of the oil filter relocation kit installed and got the starter back on. I must have made 10 trips to Lowes in the last 2 days for bolts! All that is left is to double check the valve adjustment and lock down the poly locks, install the valve covers and install the motor one last time (I hope!). Once the motor is in, I have to mount the water pump then I am going to redo the wiring and builf the exhaust. DOes not sound like much but I am not moving too fast these days. I loose interest pretty quickly. Hope to have it on the road before the new year!

Alternator fini!


Oil filter relocation complete - Starter installed!


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #498, 12-24-2010 02:00 AM
      Nothing new to update! Ordered a remote electric water pump and am just waiting for it to show up. Still have to paint and wrap the headers. I may do that tomorrow! Hope to have it running next week?????

More later!

Pat


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #499, 12-24-2010 03:18 PM
      What pump did you order?

katatak MSG #500, 12-24-2010 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

What pump did you order?


Hey Jim,

Here's the one I ordered - suggested by Archie!
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEZ-WP116SHD/

And these parts to go with it - From Archies post in this thread:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/113263.html

"Also note: on the CSI pumps, you also will need to buy a CSI fitting, pn CSI-908 to connect the return hose to the pump. For the Meziere pump you will need to buy 3 special fittings from them to hook it up to your cooling system."

Happy Holidays Jim!




fieroguru MSG #501, 12-25-2010 12:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Starter installed!


Pat


A lot of people rag on Archies starter setup saying it is difficult to adjust and I am curious how many of these people were not the original purchasers of the kit and did not have the instructions...
You just skipped a very important assemply step... Install the starter before the transmission. Extend the bendix gear and adjust position for proper mesh. If you do this in this order, you will have very little starter issues. I am pretty sure this is part of the Instructions in a Archie kit...

The only additional step I would suggest is once the final starter position is set, drill two 1/8" holes through the adapter plate and into the starter face and install two roll pins. Then if the starter ever goes bad, you can swap this face plate with the new starter, line up the roll pins and reinstall without worry of starter alignment.

If push comes to shove, you can also check the starter mesh from the bottom side, but you will need to take your shim rod and make it look like an "L" and tape the long end to a screw driver. This way can be a pain, but it is better than dropping the cradle to pull the tranny.


katatak MSG #502, 12-26-2010 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:


A lot of people rag on Archies starter setup saying it is difficult to adjust and I am curious how many of these people were not the original purchasers of the kit and did not have the instructions...
You just skipped a very important assemply step... Install the starter before the transmission. Extend the bendix gear and adjust position for proper mesh. If you do this in this order, you will have very little starter issues. I am pretty sure this is part of the Instructions in a Archie kit...

The only additional step I would suggest is once the final starter position is set, drill two 1/8" holes through the adapter plate and into the starter face and install two roll pins. Then if the starter ever goes bad, you can swap this face plate with the new starter, line up the roll pins and reinstall without worry of starter alignment.

If push comes to shove, you can also check the starter mesh from the bottom side, but you will need to take your shim rod and make it look like an "L" and tape the long end to a screw driver. This way can be a pain, but it is better than dropping the cradle to pull the tranny.


Thanks Guru for the starter tips. I actually got lucky on this one - it is drilled with 2 spring/roll pins - the starter went back in the same place it came off. I thought it was the way the kit came from Archie and I was wondering why others were having issues with thier starters - whoever built this one, did a few things right I guess.

Pat



katatak MSG #503, 12-31-2010 08:35 PM
      My big plans to get the V8 Coupe running this week went by the wayside as I ended up working due to some personnel problems. My new water pump arrived Wenesday and I was going to "work" on it today but it was just too cold in the garage. I got a 100.00 gift certificate to Lowe's for Christmas so after lunch with a few FIero guys, I wandered into Lowes and bought a new shop heater. Propane unit - 30 to 60k BTU - self igniting yada yada. I was a little worried that it would be too small. No worries now, after one hour, my shop out back was 80*. I turned it off and it took a couple hours to drop below 60* - it's 30* outside so I think it will be fine.

I needed to get the headers high heat painted and then heat treated before I wrap them in header wrap. So I pulled the m off the motor and put them in the oven to "burn" off any oils, etc. Then I took them out to the shop and buffed them with a scotch brite pad then wiped them down with degreaser. Before I started spraying on the VHT, I turned the new heater off - don't want to create a small explosion - then precedded to give the headers a coat of VHT. Once the first coat was on, I ventilated the shop then turned the heater back on. Let them get nice and toasty for an hour, then went through the process all over again. Once I got 3 coats on the headers, and after sitting in the "heated" shop, I moved them inside for the oven heat treatment. Unfortunatley, I was "vetoed" from puting them in the oven due to the "baking" of New Years" goodies. Maybe I'll cook them in the AM?

Burning off the Oil


Ready for paint


First coat


Can you feel the heat?


Ooooooo - Fire!


More tomorrow!

Pat


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #504, 12-31-2010 11:41 PM
      I always get in trouble for putting valve covers in the dishwasher and curing painted engine parts in the over, I normally wait till no one is home.

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #505, 01-01-2011 09:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

I always get in trouble for putting valve covers in the dishwasher and curing painted engine parts in the over, I normally wait till no one is home.


I got myself a spare oven and put it in the garage. No worries of dinners that taste like oil or powder coat.

Bob


katatak MSG #506, 01-01-2011 01:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

I always get in trouble for putting valve covers in the dishwasher and curing painted engine parts in the over, I normally wait till no one is home.


I have the same problem here Jim. I have to wait till the better half goes out! Then I go for it - sometimes I get caught! As I write this, I have the coated headers in the oven for heat treating - the wife is out shopping - hope I can get it done before she gets home!


katatak MSG #507, 01-01-2011 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


I got myself a spare oven and put it in the garage. No worries of dinners that taste like oil or powder coat.

Bob


I think I need to follow your lead - would make life a lot easier!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-02-2011).]

katatak MSG #508, 01-02-2011 06:36 PM
      Another day of big plans fizzled out. I got my new Meziere pump last week from Summit but I was out of town all week. Went out this morning to get the pump installed and plumbed, finish up some little odds and ends on the motor and get it stuffed in - I was even hoping on starting it this afternoon. Like a kid at Christmas, I tore open my Summit box and was surprised to find it was the wrong pump! After mumbling a little, I did some checking and found that in my "haste" to order the pump, I transposed a few numbers and ended up getting a pump for some "import" car. So now I have to send it back and get the right one sent out! CRAP!

The day was not wasted though as I had plenty of little things left to do before I stuff the motor in for the last time. Another disapointment I ran into today was that the new Moroso T Stat housing was bent??? I do not have a clue how it happened other than maybe it got caught while shoving the motor under the car so many times over the last few weeks? So now I have to pick up another top piece unless someone has an idea how to straighten this one. I'm nor sure it would ever get straight enough for the cap to seal?

To finish up the motor, I needed to recheck the valve lash and then finish the poly locks, install the valve covers with gaskets, etc. Plug the 2 water posts on each side of the block, Install the headers and gaskets with locking bolts and double check the starter alignment (Guru has me rethinking my alignment).

My bent fill/T Stat housing!


Finishing up the valve adjustment:


Headers on and valve covers sealed:



In this pick, you can see that I needed to shim the alternator out about 1/8"

I made a shim out of flat stock and installed it behind the alt mount - all is good now with the Alternator!

I really wanted to get the motor in today. It's amazing all the little things that change your course of direction. This has been a challenging project - you would think it would be easy seeing how it already had a sbc installed. It's been almost like starting from scratch! Maybe it will be done before the end of January?

More later!

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #509, 01-04-2011 08:17 PM
      Looking good Pat! I am sure everything will work out fine. Usually the more of a pain you have with the build, the better it ends up running.

Tony Kania MSG #510, 01-05-2011 12:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I really wanted to get the motor in today. It's amazing all the little things that change your course of direction. This has been a challenging project - you would think it would be easy seeing how it already had a sbc installed. It's been almost like starting from scratch! Maybe it will be done before the end of January?

More later!

Pat


Really? Taking a long time? Man Pat, as you absolutely fly through this build, it makes me sad that I haven't done anything to my GT other than install the upgraded TLG headlights 3 months back. I have been a bit busy with the little mirror image of myself though. Ahh yes, excuses.

Looking great!



katatak MSG #511, 01-05-2011 08:06 PM
      Not much progress this week - work is crazy! I did knock off an hour early today as I had to have some Fiero therapy! Had a few little things to finish up in the engine compartment. Got that done and then started looking at the wiring harness - I really need to thin it out. I really do not need all these wires just hanging around. I will strip it down and eliminate any wires that are not absolutely needed. After staring at it for awhile, I gave up. I need to get some schematics and figure out which is which. Just more things to do before I can finish it. Work will have me out of town for the next few weeks so it will be February before it's done now.

More Later!

Pat



katatak MSG #512, 01-05-2011 08:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:


Really? Taking a long time? Man Pat, as you absolutely fly through this build, it makes me sad that I haven't done anything to my GT other than install the upgraded TLG headlights 3 months back. I have been a bit busy with the little mirror image of myself though. Ahh yes, excuses.

Looking great!


Hey Tony - Hope you are feeling better!

I hear ya on the "mirror image". Fortunately for me - my "mirror" images are all grown up and heading out on thier own so I have some extra time to spend on my addiction. Thye grow up fast!

Pat


fierogt28 MSG #513, 01-05-2011 10:45 PM
      Nice work Pat !!



Jake_Dragon MSG #514, 01-07-2011 07:46 PM
      After spending 3 days under my car looking at my ALT I was thinking about moving mine as well.
Going to use a turn buckle on the bottom bolt so I can tighten the belt with a wrench.


katatak MSG #515, 01-08-2011 12:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogt28:

Nice work Pat !!



Thanks for the reply!


katatak MSG #516, 01-08-2011 12:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

After spending 3 days under my car looking at my ALT I was thinking about moving mine as well.
Going to use a turn buckle on the bottom bolt so I can tighten the belt with a wrench.


That's an excellent idea Jake! Now I have another little project to do!


Jake_Dragon MSG #517, 01-08-2011 10:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


That's an excellent idea Jake! Now I have another little project to do!


No thank you for paving the way

I was looking at Summit and got the idea from one of these

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 01-09-2011).]

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #518, 01-08-2011 08:36 PM
      How's the water pump coming? What do you plan on putting in the stock water pump location?

I am using one of THESE and I really like the profile of it but I have yet to do any plumbing and mounting for my remote pump.


katatak MSG #519, 01-08-2011 09:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

How's the water pump coming? What do you plan on putting in the stock water pump location?

I am using one of THESE and I really like the profile of it but I have yet to do any plumbing and mounting for my remote pump.


Hey Jim,

Well I made mistake when I ordered the pump - tranposed a couple numbers and ended up getting a 29 GPM pump for an import! So I had to send the pump back and the right one should be here - I was hoping it would have showed up today. I like that Dedenbear manifold. Saxman has the CSR pump and the Dedenbear manifold in the Mall and I am tempted to buy the pump/manifold just to have them. Does it have an outlet at each end? I'm assuming it does - just can't see it in the pics, As for the block, I got the Meziere port adapters that fit the block then take a 3/4" NPT to 3/4" barbed fitting so I can run 2 hoses from the block to the pump. Archie posted some pics of how he mounts the CSR/Meziere pumps and the plumbing in this thread:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/113263.html

Here's all the goodies I bought!
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEZ-WP116SHD/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEZ-WP1150B/
2 of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEZ-WP12034B/
2 of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FRA-484012/
And this port adapter set - no pics but if you go to Meziere's site, you can see what they look like.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEZ-WP81B/

Spendy but I think it will be well worth it in the long run!


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #520, 01-10-2011 10:10 AM
      Spendy is right, my build is on a pretty tight budget. I could easily pay more for water pump stuff than I have paid for the rest of the car. So far I'm only in about $150 for my water header and retrofit electric water pump kit. When payday comes I am going to order another pump and everything else I think I'll need to go with it.

I plan on mounting my water pump under the front hood.


Jake_Dragon MSG #521, 01-10-2011 09:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

I plan on mounting my water pump under the front hood.


I wondered why this wasnt done more often.


katatak MSG #522, 01-10-2011 09:42 PM
      I am just guessing here but I think the CSI/CSR remote pump has one inlet and one outlet so I do not see why it could not be mounted "in Line" up front. I have yet to "plumb" mine yet but I could see it being a problem with the Meziere remote. I would think on the SBC, you would have to run both block hoses into a Y then connect to the coolant tube. I wonder what these pumps are rated at for "pulling" vs " pushing"? I really do not have an answer but am now wondering why too!

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #523, 01-11-2011 12:44 AM
      Mounting the water pump in the front also eliminates the need for 1 of the heater hoses running under the car, that would leave a nice empty tube for battery cables. I've been wanting to mount it in the front since I decided to go with a remote pump.

[This message has been edited by jmbishop (edited 01-11-2011).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #524, 01-11-2011 07:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I am just guessing here but I think the CSI/CSR remote pump has one inlet and one outlet so I do not see why it could not be mounted "in Line" up front. I have yet to "plumb" mine yet but I could see it being a problem with the Meziere remote. I would think on the SBC, you would have to run both block hoses into a Y then connect to the coolant tube. I wonder what these pumps are rated at for "pulling" vs " pushing"? I really do not have an answer but am now wondering why too!


The CSI & Mez pumps are both a single inlet & dual outlet.

The idea is that.....

The 2 W/P connections on the front of the engine are for coolant coming into the engine & do not connect directly to a single water pipe. The 2 outlets from the pump are ment to be connected to the 2 inlets on the enigne.

Archie


katatak MSG #525, 01-11-2011 04:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


The CSI & Mez pumps are both a single inlet & dual outlet.

The idea is that.....

The 2 W/P connections on the front of the engine are for coolant coming into the engine & do not connect directly to a single water pipe. The 2 outlets from the pump are ment to be connected to the 2 inlets on the enigne.

Archie



Thanks Archie - I was not sure on the CSI/CSR if it had 1 or 2 outlets. My plan is to follow your lead on the mount and plumbing. I guess if you wanted to mount the pump up front, you could plug one of the outlets? I woud think that by plugging one, it would reduce the volume/flow? This is all new to me! Thanks again for oyur help.

Pat




katatak MSG #526, 01-13-2011 10:34 PM
      Got a little package in the mail today! Can you guess what it was?



So I went to work making a template so I could devise a mount for it. The PO had hacked up the sidewall pretty bad so I had to trim it up. In Archie's pics, it appears that they made a monut plate - mounted the pump to the plate and the plate to the side wall. My original plan was to do the same but I did not have any sheet metal that I felt was thick enough to make the plate. I went to a few steel shops but none had what I was looking for - either too thin 16 gauge or too thick - 1/4". So I improvised and built my own version of a pump mount then welded it to the side wall. A little grinding and buttering then some paint and it will be perfect.

I made a carboard template of the pump so I could hold it in place on the sidewall to check for clearance and position:


Cut it out:


Then with some hot glue, stuck on the included mount bracket:


After trimming the sidewall and fabbing the bracket, I used a C clamp to hold the bracket in place and mounted the pump to check the position and clearance again. All was good so I went to welding. I really have to go get some more MIG wire and get my bottle refilled because I can not weld with flux core - I just make a mess. With the bracket welded in, I mounted the pump.


Now I just have to clean it up and paint it. There is a section of the fenderwell that was chopped out for the original H2O pump pulley. I will go to the yard tomorrow and cut a section out of a donor car then fit and weld it in the Coupe.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #527, 01-15-2011 01:22 AM
      I spent most the day working so I did not get to the yard for some patch panels. After looking at it, I did not like the big ugly hole in the side wall so I decided to fab up a "trim" panel. A few days ago, my neighbors were moving and had left a large glass table top out for the trash man. I snagged it to use it for laying up fiberglass panels and today I gave it a workout. My trim panel is made of fiberglass and once I get it mounted and sealed to the inner side panel then painted, it will look way better.

My new fiberglass work top:


I cut out all my glass - 4 layers of cloth and 3 layers of mat - I wanted a nice solid piece of glass to work with.


Waiting for it to cure!


Add some heat!


Pop it loose:


Then I went to the garage and made a quick template out of foam core then transfered to the fiberglass panel:


Back to the garage for a test fit on the car and trace the mount:



Bolt up the pump and trace the pump on the panel:


My trusty but rusty scroll saw gets some use!


Getting closer:


A little trimming with the dremel and another test fit:


Back to the garage for another test fit:



I guess I could have done this with a piece of sheet metal and use some spot welds and seam sealer. I just had a urge to play with some fiberglass. I think that having the fiberglass panel sandwiched between the pump and the body may add some "insulation". Then again, it may not matter. I have to fab up one more small "tab" type bracket for the bottom side of the pump - once that's done and I get the patch panel welded and sealed, it should be ready for a motor stuff.

And for your viewing enjoyment, we had another great Far West Texas Winter Sunset so I snapped a few shots from the backyard. I love the desert!



More tomorrow!

Pat


katatak MSG #528, 01-16-2011 06:28 PM
      We goofed off all day yesterday so I had to make up for it today. I was up at 5am - had to take my oldest son to the Airport - he was headed to Chicago to start his new career on the CNRR - WaHooooooooo! Anyway, I was going to go back to bed after the airport but I decided to jump in on the Coupe and get the water pump, fenderwell, frame reinforcement completed. After drilling out the spot welds on my patch panel and drilling a few more holes for new spot welds, it was time to climb back in and start the fitup and welding.

The hole to fill:


Setting the panel in place for the spot welds:


Now here's the problem - I did not cut the patch panel big enough to fit the entire hole:


So I hand to try my hand at some "free" form metal work!


Don't look too clse at those welds - they are fugly - I hate flux core wire - and half way through my project toady, I ran out of wire! You can also see that I cut out the new hole for the hose.


Then is was time to "fill" the old hose hole:



Now with all the welding and grinding and hammering done, I wanted to use seam sealer on all the seams. By the time I got everything covered, well the entire area was covered with seam sealer so I decided to use a paint brish and give it a little texture - it's rougher than I wanted but I can knock it down with some sand paper after it cures.


A layer of "rubberiszed" undercoating and it's near completion - still too rough on the texture but it will do.


My wife decided that it was high time I posted a picture of "me" in my engine bay. I believe this is the only picture on PFF of me - and I am working - or at least admiring my new Meziere Electric Water Pump!


More later!

Pat




josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #529, 01-16-2011 08:37 PM
      At Last!!!

katatak MSG #530, 01-16-2011 08:56 PM
      Well after some boring football, I went back out to the garage and stuffed the motor in the car - hopefully for the last time! I will have to lower the rear of the cradles and do a little more clearance work for the balancer! I have yet to figure out why it is so close - it dod not have this problem with the other motor. Maybe I do not have the balance pulled all the way onto the crank? I'm not sure how much farther I can pull it onto the crank - looking like some clearance problem with the timing cover if I do? I'll deal with that later this week. I might try and do a little slotting on the trans mounts - IIf I could slide the motor 1/4" to the driver side, I could move the front motor mount to the back side of the welded cradle mount and gains some much needed clearance - I'll still have to "carve" a little more off the frame rail.

Wishful thinking! I torqued the four cradle bolts:




Hard to see in these picks but there is about 1/8" clearance - I need more!



Plenty of room for some custom exhaust work!


The other side of my rebuilt fenderwell / water pump mount.



More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-16-2011).]

fieroguru MSG #531, 01-17-2011 07:06 AM
      Your balancer isn't fully seated... The back side of the balancer should just barely clear the timing cover. From the face of the block to the outer edge of the V-belt groove should be just under 1 1/2" for your vintage SBC with a metal timig cover (the L31 plastic timing cover is different). If you look close at this pic, you can see it is at 1 1/2" and still has about 1/16" of clearance between the balancer and the timing gear.


Another way to check is to remove the balancer bolt and look at the end of the crankshaft. It should be about 1/8 to 3/16" below the recessed portion of the balancer... very similar to this pic:


Just make sure you check for rubbing on the back side...

It also appears that you did not shift the tranny mounts over about 1/2 - 3/4" or your engine/tranny is mounted too far to the rear of the chassis. An Archie SBC/Getrag (or isuzu/4 speed) will fit w/o any need to modify the frame rails. It is just a matter of properly positioning it and getting the balancer as tight to the engine as possible. I have even made an L31 timing with its protruding cranks sensor work w/o modification to the rails (but it requires some clearancing work to the balancer).

[This message has been edited by fieroguru (edited 01-17-2011).]

Tony Kania MSG #532, 01-17-2011 12:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

My wife decided that it was high time I posted a picture of "me" in my engine bay. I believe this is the only picture on PFF of me -

Pat



There he is!

That car is coming along great. Some nice detail work, and an awesome writeup. I can tell that you really enjoy being out in the garage. And you must have a wonderful woman at your side for dealing with the obsession. (Do they ever get the recognition that many deserve for putting up with us? I think not.)

Tony



Jake_Dragon MSG #533, 01-17-2011 03:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Your balancer isn't fully seated...


Thats what I was thinking. I have about 1/8 of an inch from the back of the balancer to the timing chain cover.


Rick 88 MSG #534, 01-17-2011 04:49 PM
      Well the "katatak" is finally out of the bag!

The coupe is looking good Pat.

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 01-17-2011).]

katatak MSG #535, 01-17-2011 05:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguru:

Your balancer isn't fully seated... The back side of the balancer should just barely clear the timing cover. From the face of the block to the outer edge of the V-belt groove should be just under 1 1/2" for your vintage SBC with a metal timig cover (the L31 plastic timing cover is different). If you look close at this pic, you can see it is at 1 1/2" and still has about 1/16" of clearance between the balancer and the timing gear.


Another way to check is to remove the balancer bolt and look at the end of the crankshaft. It should be about 1/8 to 3/16" below the recessed portion of the balancer... very similar to this pic:


Just make sure you check for rubbing on the back side...

It also appears that you did not shift the tranny mounts over about 1/2 - 3/4" or your engine/tranny is mounted too far to the rear of the chassis. An Archie SBC/Getrag (or isuzu/4 speed) will fit w/o any need to modify the frame rails. It is just a matter of properly positioning it and getting the balancer as tight to the engine as possible. I have even made an L31 timing with its protruding cranks sensor work w/o modification to the rails (but it requires some clearancing work to the balancer).



Thanks Guru! - I'll take some measurements this evening and see where I am at. I suspect the balancer is not "seated". Whaer I have some confusion is that this car had a SBC in it when I got it and there were no clearance issues with it although the frame rail had been "poorly" hacked up. I added some reinforcement but did not come out past the frame rail to the inside at all. I'll have to look at it a little closer but I think I can slot the trans mounts and move the motor 1/4 to 3/8" towards the driver side. I just can't find the difference between this motor and the one that was in it. Hope it's the balancer but clearnace behind it and the timing coever is looking pretty tight. Thanks again for the reply and tips.

Pat



katatak MSG #536, 01-17-2011 05:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:


There he is!

That car is coming along great. Some nice detail work, and an awesome writeup. I can tell that you really enjoy being out in the garage. And you must have a wonderful woman at your side for dealing with the obsession. (Do they ever get the recognition that many deserve for putting up with us? I think not.)

Tony


Yes Tony, She is a saint! But actually I think she prefers that I "hang out" in the garage and tinker with my cars - that way, I am not in her way and she always knows where to find me should she need the pickle jar opened and the leaky faucet fixed!



katatak MSG #537, 01-17-2011 06:59 PM
      Fieroguru was right on the money. I was able to pull the balancer in further but I did have interference with the aftermarket timing cover. I dropped the rear of the cradle and pulled the balancer - it was not hitting hard - but enough to scrap the paint on the cover. I gave it a little "lite" adjustment with a watch hammer and reinstalled the balancer. Pulled it back down on the crank and all is good - I have plenty of frame clearance now!

Thanks Guru for your help!

You can see where the balancer was rubbing the cover!


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-17-2011).]

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #538, 01-19-2011 09:31 PM
      Pat....I have the balancer install tool if you need it. Let me know.

katatak MSG #539, 01-19-2011 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat....I have the balancer install tool if you need it. Let me know.


Thanks Dan! Already have it back on. Just waiting for Summit to deliver some fittings for the pump. Still have a mix up on my order - should know more tomorrow! Motor is in, OP primed, Dizzy is in. Wired up, clutch master is back on with shift linkage. Just need to fab a crossover coolant tube and plumb it and she will be rady to fire. It's getting very close now. Thinking I'll take a couple vaca days when/if my pump fittings show up. Going to try and get the suspension/axles, etc reinstalled by tomorrow night.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #540, 01-27-2011 08:49 PM
      Finally!

Got a little package in the mail today.



Can you believe that there is 180.00 in parts in this box?


Still have one part that is backordered - WTF! BO'd til 2/7/11! CRAP!

More later if I don't blow it upf first.

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #541, 01-27-2011 09:03 PM
      Its amazing how much those "little" parts cost. Next weekend is a 3 day for me. Are you going to be here?

katatak MSG #542, 01-27-2011 09:39 PM
      Yep - I'll be here! You would think that something that weighs so little would not cost so much - Aluminum - the new Gold! I was hoping to fire it up this weekend but it won't happen now till the BO's parts come in. I'll have it already though!

Can you say "Propeller"?


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 01-27-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #543, 01-28-2011 03:27 PM
      I just had a customer that installs, and repairs those things. He works inside, outside, and hangs off them. Can you say acrophobia?
Too high for me!

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 01-28-2011).]

katatak MSG #544, 01-28-2011 05:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

I just had a customer that installs, and repairs those things. He works inside, outside, and hangs off them. Can you say acrophobia?
Too high for me!



Me too Rick! Heights don't bother me too much but I don't see me climbing up and out onto one of these monsters! Crazy!

Working on the Coupe this afternoon and weekend. Should have the water pump installed this evening - suspension and axles tomorrow then I'll be waiting for the block adapters to finish the plumbing and crank her up! So close - yet so far away!

Pat


katatak MSG #545, 01-28-2011 08:56 PM
      Got the pump mounted for the last time today! Sorted out some of the wiring and cleaned the garage.





More tomorrow!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #546, 01-29-2011 03:12 PM
      Nice work Pat,

That is the most expensive water pump no one will ever see!


Jake_Dragon MSG #547, 01-29-2011 03:53 PM
      Thats a nice install!
Really makes me want to move mine to the same location.


katatak MSG #548, 01-29-2011 11:22 PM
      Thanks Rick, Jake for the comments. Kind of sad huh RIck - 500.00 water pump - hidden! Thanks to Archie for sharing his water pump install and part numbers.

I had big plans today - but it was my B - Day and I had zero wrenching ambition! Went to Logans Roadhouse for lunch with Jeff and Dan. Then went to a muffler shop to get some 1.5" pipe for my coolant crossover. Had the guy there make a few bends and took it home. Got a little ambition and set the crossover in place. Had to drop the rear of the cradle to get the coolant pipe where I wanted it. Found that the bend on the passenger side was not enough so I ran back to the muffler shop and tweaked it a little. Managed to get it mounted to the firewall and went to Autozone for some hoses. Managed to find the "right" hoses. All in all a good day and actually got more doen thatn I thought I would. Glad I did not get the suspension in before I found out that I had to drop the motor to get that crossover piep in! Going to dive into the siring harness tomorrow - it's just too cobbled up to leave it as is.

Cradle drop:


Coolant Crossover Tube!



Wiring mess!



More later!

Pat


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #549, 01-30-2011 11:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Can you say "Propeller"?




Wind turbine blades! That is what I was installing in Texas, Pat! It's hard to believe a piece of fiberglass can weigh up to 26000 lbs! Now, imagine three of them spinning at 200MPH, 300 feet in the air.........



katatak MSG #550, 02-07-2011 11:59 PM
      Got a little box in the mail today! Finally! My block adapters showed up. I am mere hours away from starting this thing! Yaahoo...........



More tomorrow!

Pat



BlackThunderGT MSG #551, 02-08-2011 12:04 AM
      Awesome! looking good Pat

katatak MSG #552, 02-08-2011 11:19 PM
      Got a little done this evening. Installed the block adapters - What a pain in the butt! I used a 90 street L on the trunk side - due to the limited space, I had to install the L in the adapter plate before I could install it on the block. The lower bolt was not fun to install! I spent more than an hour getting the trunk side installed. I used a 45 street L on the passenger side. It was a little easier to install. Then I got the 2 - 3/4" block to pump hoses installed. Just have the pump to coolant tube hose left. After going through this excercise this evening, I have decided that I will do it a little differently next time. If this setup leaks at all, the next time will be - well the next thing I do! I will order the block adapters that have the #12 AN - male built in and then get the same fittings for the pump then get some custom hoses with female #12 AN fittings - I think it will seal better and definitely will be easier to remove/install.

Adapters with street "Ls"


Hose nipples and the first hose installed


Done!


More later!

Pat


BigGuyTinyCar (timcat99@q.com) MSG #553, 02-09-2011 01:46 AM
      Sweet looking pump set up, Pat!

katatak MSG #554, 02-09-2011 08:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:

Awesome! looking good Pat


Thank you sir! Hope you guys are stayong warm down there! It was 70 here yesterday - barely made it above 32 today. This rollercoaster weather is going to make me ill.


katatak MSG #555, 02-09-2011 08:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BigGuyTinyCar:

Sweet looking pump set up, Pat!


Thanks Tim - it was a lot of work and money but I think it will be worth it in the long run. How's that 4.9 treating you?


katatak MSG #556, 02-09-2011 09:05 PM
      Got a little more done this evening. Wanted to work out in the garage but it's just to cold out there. I can only take so much sitting on the concrete. Managed to get the axles and suspension bolted back in. I'll wait to do the brakes and little pieces till after I fire it up and breal in the cam. Hope to get a lot done tomorrow!

Suspenders in!



And yes, I will detail the dirty rusty pieces and clean it all up. I will eventually install new rotors and rebuild the calipers. I just wanted the axles in place so I can fire it up and greak in the cam - plus I want to make sure the clustch is working correctly - I am not real happy with the way it went together - I have a little worry that it's not right!

More later!

Pat


BigGuyTinyCar (timcat99@q.com) MSG #557, 02-09-2011 11:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks Tim - it was a lot of work and money but I think it will be worth it in the long run. How's that 4.9 treating you?


Very well, thanks. I'm enjoying the Fiero a lot more than I expected to. I don't know if I'd ever want a stock one, but having
one with a V8 is a blast.



katatak MSG #558, 02-10-2011 08:19 PM
      Got a package in the mail today!

BANKS Power!


Got this off of Ebay for 25.00! 3" in and 2.5 out - it's for a Camaro and it will be perfect in my V8 Car! If it's too loud, I will add some resonator tips!

More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-10-2011).]

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #559, 02-10-2011 08:46 PM
      Sttill to cold here too!!!!!
-joe


BlackThunderGT MSG #560, 02-10-2011 11:07 PM
      Hi Pat,

It’s been OK here. Not as warm as San Antonio but we will make it, no snow; no ice just a lot of rain and cold nights LOL.

Paul



katatak MSG #561, 02-11-2011 09:45 PM
      More progress today. All hoses hooked up, Most the wiring is done. Clutch Slave hooked up, shift mech and cables hooked up. Carb installed with thottle cable. PVC and vac hoses done. Just need to hook up the wiring on the starter and wire in the electric pump, prime the oil pump one more time and set the Dizzy. Fill with coolant, install the battery and hopefully, by tomorrow afternoon, I will have a running V8 Coupe once again!







More tomorrow!

Pat

Wahoo..... Page 15 ownage!

Edit to add - yes I know the wiring is fugly! Once the motor is running and the cam is "broke in", I will start the "wiring" rehab. My goal is to "hide" as much of the wiring as possible after I eliminate as much as possible. While the wiring is being cleaned up, the Headers will be removed and sent off for Ceramic coating and I'll clean up the suspension parts.

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-11-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #562, 02-12-2011 08:22 PM
     

Well...........?


katatak MSG #563, 02-12-2011 11:10 PM
      OK...... No Pics..... But we managed to get all the wiring finished - water pump hooked up and working, filled with coolant and burped. Primed the Oil Pump - got pressure! Cranked the motor over with the starter - starter meshes great. Set her up on TDC and stuffed the Dizzy. Fuel line hooked up - got fuel going to the carb! Finished up al the odds and ends and called it a night. Just have to string the plug wires and fire her off. Tomorrow for sure!

Maybe some video to post tomorrow!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #564, 02-13-2011 10:59 AM
      Close, Very close
-joe


katatak MSG #565, 02-13-2011 09:35 PM
      It's Alive! Trying to upload some video now. Keeps bombing on me. I'll get it! Stay tuned! All is good - just need to adjust the starter alignnment a little.

More in a bit!

Pat



katatak MSG #566, 02-13-2011 10:49 PM
      Let's see if this works!


Looks like Frankenstien! Don't worry, I'll clean up all the wires and make it look pretty! This was just a cam break in run. Sounds kinda ratty out of the shorty headers!

More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-14-2011).]

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #567, 02-14-2011 10:23 AM
      NEET!!!!

fieroguru MSG #568, 02-14-2011 10:42 AM
      Congrats on the startup!

I would suggest doing some additional work on the harness. It is a carbed SBC so it doesn't need many wires at all, but has really thick harness running right over the topside of the engine. The majority of the wires in the looms can be removed to clean it up and make the loom much thinner. If you have to keep the harness on the top side of the engine, then running it along the front valve cover looks better than running it along the rear one.


Rick 88 MSG #569, 02-14-2011 01:37 PM
      Good job Pat!

I can't wait to hear it thru the muffler.


katatak MSG #570, 02-14-2011 03:33 PM
      Thanks for replies guys. I am really relieved that it runs. It has been a long time since I hand built a motor so I was worried I may have "missed" something.

I agree Guru, That's my plan now that I know it runs. I want the wiring to be nearly invisible. I knew the harness worked with the other motor so I decided to leave it be to break the new motor in. Now I can tear it a apart and clean it up. I also need to spend some quality time with the starter. The PO drilled an alignement pin but for some reason, it does not like the position. Not sure if something is slightly differnt with the adapter plate mounted to this different motor or what but it seems to be askew! I'll have to take it off and pull the spring roll pin and then adjust it some. All seemed good when I had it out of the car?

Rick,

Hoping to have exhaust done this Saturday. All depends on how busy work is this week. I have to go to Alpine for a few days!

More later!

Pat



Bloozberry MSG #571, 02-14-2011 03:52 PM
      Fire in the hole! Ok... well, all eight holes! Such a nice feeling to get to that stage eh? I'll bet your neighbors love you even more now!

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #572, 02-15-2011 10:45 AM
      Sounds awesome Pat!

Now......how much you want for it?


Tony Kania MSG #573, 02-15-2011 11:55 AM
      You deserve this car Pat. A lot of hard work, patience, and more hard work went into her by you. :d Good stuff man.

Tony


katatak MSG #574, 02-15-2011 08:45 PM
      Blooz, - My neighbors really love me now!

Phil, Let me get it done - then we'll talk!

Tony, The ard part is I have to spend this week out of town - I could get so much done if I could tinker an hour or 2 each night. Hope to drive it over to the muffler shop on Saturday! If I can sneak over there with it uncorked!


katatak MSG #575, 02-16-2011 10:19 PM
      Wish I could post some updates but I am stuck in Marfa Texas tonight. I'd rather be tinkering on my Coupe.

Pat



katatak MSG #576, 02-19-2011 09:46 PM
      Got up early to get a good start on the Coupe. My plan was to get the suspension tightened up and the brakes, etc. installed. As I was getting the calipers ready to go back on, I noticed that the slider pins were siezed up. I spent some time getting them out of the calipers. I figured that I would have to order some caliper rebuild kits and was feeling "dissapointed" thinking I was going to have to wait another week to get anything done. As I was cleaning up the suspension parts and tightening down all the bolts, I remembered that I had some left over brake parts in the shed from the first Bus rehab. I made a mad dash to the shed. Rummaged around a bit and bingo - found a box with 8 new slider o rings and 4 slider bolt boots. Plus 2 new inner pad clips (the Coupe had none when I took it apart). Alos had 2 ebrake actuator seal kits! The only thing I was missing were the piston seals. I spent a couple hours cleaning and rehabing the calipers and then got it all together. I was unable to finish the ebrake cables as I can not find the cable clip that ties the passenger side cable to the main cable! I'll go to the Mega Pull in the am and pick one up!

The Bus and it's new owner stopped by around 3 - we worked on a head light motor - I made it worse - and adjusted the shifter but it will need some more work.

Found these in the shed! Back in the early days of the Bus, I ordered some caliper rebuild kits. After tearing them apart, I found that I needed new pisonts for the rears so I bought a set from the Fiero Store. These also cames with rebuild parts so I saved them. SOmetimes it pays to hang on to parts!



Removed the ebrake arm so I could compress the piston and install the new seals:



Sliders cleaned and lubed, new orings and a new pad clip installed:


Pad clipped in:


Driver side done:


And the reasons why I did not get anything done all week!


Tomorrow I am going to get the starter aligned and pick up a new battery. After that I need to clean up the wiring and finish up the inner wheel wells.

More later!

Pat



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #577, 02-19-2011 10:29 PM
      I hate it when work gets in teh way!
-joe


katatak MSG #578, 02-24-2011 06:29 PM
      Work has been keeping me busy but I managed to carve out a little time this afternoon to work on the starter. The PO had set the starter up and then drilled a small hole for a "pin" to make it easier for alignment. Problem is, it was set in the wrong place. The gear on the starter was not sitting "deep" enough in the ring gear. In addition, the adapter block that bolts to the starter was cocked and was not allowing the bendix gear to line up square with the ring gear. I pulled the starter off the motor and squared up the adapter block. I also had to replace the rubber gromet/seal that goes between the solenoid and the stater motor - that was a treat to find but I got lucky and a friend of mine that does a lot of racing had one that we trimmed to fit. I got the starter installed and adjusted. Now I get full gear contact both in mesh and depth. No binding of the bendix. Now when I carnk it, it spins nice and does not sound like the starter is eating the ring gear. One more little issue to clear off the list.

The plan is to build the exhaust this weekend but while I was under the car working on the starter, I turned/twisted the wrong way and now I can hardly stand up! Guess I'll have to go get a "Massage" this evening!!!!!!

More later - maybe!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #579, 02-24-2011 06:55 PM
      Careful Pat. We are not as young as we used to be. Glad you got the starter fixed. Hope you back feels better. This is my long weekend. Let me know if you are up to doing anything.

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #580, 02-25-2011 12:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Careful Pat. We are not as young as we used to be. Glad you got the starter fixed. Hope you back feels better. This is my long weekend. Let me know if you are up to doing anything.


TIMBERON!!!!!!!


katatak MSG #581, 02-25-2011 05:49 PM
      I put the old battery on the charger overnight. This afternoon, I cranked her over - she made about 3 revolutions and fired right off - the starter realignment made a huge difference. I tinkered with the timing and adjusted the carb some. Then I installed the tail lights so I can take it over to the exhaust shop in the AM. SHould be driving it tomorrow afternoon! Here's a little clip to hear the "before" exhaust.

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-25-2011).]

katatak MSG #582, 02-25-2011 07:29 PM
      Well I could not take it! I went back out to the garage and cleaned all the crap off the top of the car. I installed the back tires, set her on the gorund and took her for a little spin around the neighborhood. All I can say is HOLY C^%&! She runs pretty good! I hope to get the exhuast done tomorrow!






What do you think of the rear wheels?

Now I got to clean the garage! I wonder what I'm going to put in there for the next project?


I'm truly sick - this one is not done and I'm thinking about the next one! I need some drugs or an intervention!

More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #583, 02-26-2011 10:53 AM
      I am sure something will 'roll' into your life. Bet-cha can't own just one!

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #584, 02-26-2011 12:51 PM
      the wheels are NICE!

katatak MSG #585, 02-27-2011 01:55 PM
      Did not get much done on the Coupe yesterday. Went over to the Muffler shop and they were too busy to squease me in. I'll take it over on Wednesday and borrow a lift - build the exhaust myself. It's nice to have access to a shop with all the pieces parts and tools! The only drawback is having to work - on thier schedule. Not complaining just wishing I had a fully equipped shop of my own. I did get the front wheels on and I like the wheels a lot but the tires are a little too tall - the car sits a little high but I think it has an old school muscle car look to it. I'l fry these tires to nothing then get some 50 0r 45 series tires to lower her down a bit. Also changed an O2 sensor on Jeff's Vette! Man that car sits low. 90%of the job was getting high enough to get under it. Only took about 5 minutes to change the )2 sensor and about 2 hours jacking it up and then setting it back down.


I'm going to get the rear bumper back on today and then I have some AC parts that I need to remove from the front end. I may work on the wringing osme too! Lot's to do still.

More later.

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #586, 02-27-2011 02:37 PM
      Pat the wheels look great. I believe the stock tire size on the SE was a 215/60/14. Based on a tire comparator, a 235/45/16 is only 4mm taller than stock, and 9.3 in. wide on a 7 in wheel, vs 8.5 in wide on the stock 14. This would get you very close on the speedo also.

katatak MSG #587, 02-27-2011 11:04 PM
      After watching a marathon of auctions on HD Theatre last night and most the morning today, I finally dragged my butt out in the garage and got to work on the Coupe. 12 hours of Mechams Auctions, RM Auctions and Chasing Classic Cars got my car jucies going. I have a refershed spark to get busy on all these projects.

Plan for the day was to get the back bumper back on and the inner fenderwells back in. Sounds easy huh? Well I had a few problems. First off, I installed the pan that bolts to the bumper and then the facia fastens to it - upside down! Flipped it over then went to slip the facia on and it would not slip into place! After fiddling with it for an hour I thought maybe I had the steel bumper on upside down - nope - it was on right. Turns out that where the rear reflectors fit into the crush part of the bumper was hanging up and I could not see it. I finally shoved my hand up in there and using several chioce words - and a couple new ones, I got the facia on. Put the tail lights back in after cleaning the bulbs and replacing 2. Installed the side markers. Then I had to scrub and clean the inner fenderwells. Got them installed then used some plastic paint in flat black to clean them up. I know it does not sound like much work but I had a solid 4 hours into it today. I also worked on some of the wiring and now have a pretty solid plan in place to clean it up.

This week, I need to pull all the AC stuff from up front out of the car. This car has no heater/AC now so I will yank the heater/AC unit out of the firewall and build a "block off" plate for the firewall. Every pound I can take out will help go a little faster! I think this will be a fun car when it's all done. I also need to do some more intieror work - my last headliner job is sagging already! I must have not removed all the old crap off the board. I think this time I will give the inner surface a coat of resin to give the glue something solid to adhere to.

I also need to remove the center console so I can run some more wiring. I am going to install 2 cut off switches for the water pump and the fuel pump. I'd like to be able to turn the fuel pump and water pump off should I need to have the key on/engine off. I also need to install a new set of dew wipes and do some boby panel work / rocker work (plastic rivets are broke). The driver side window is tinted and it's old so I will strip it off - service the widow mechs while I have it torn apart. Still a lot to do but I need to get it done as soon as possible so I can get some other projects in and out before it starts getting hot.

Rick, you listening? Your Mera suspension is next! I have the car to the point where I can move it in and out of the garage so your next 3 day weekend we need to get your front suspnesion work done. I also have a set of door locks and a trunk lock to install in the Bus and new rotors and pads for the XTC.

Back in the garage and up in the air after I spent a few hours cleaning the garage out - amazing - all my tools are back in their proper place!


First time in months I have seen the rop of this bench!


Can anyone see a problem in this pic?

The silver pan is upside down!

Cleaned up the inner fenderwells a bit.


Bulbs and wiring cleaned up - everything is working and ready for install:


Looking like I got it ready for the Facia right - wrong - got to flip that pan over!


Had the bumper on and off a dozen times trying to get it to fit - first was the pan - second was the crush thingy for the bumper was hangin up on the reflector housing in the Facia. I fought this dirty rotten no good ---- for a long time!


Bumper Done!


Fenderwells Done!



Rear wheels back on - I need to find some center caps to fit these wheels!



More later!

Pat



BigGuyTinyCar (timcat99@q.com) MSG #588, 02-28-2011 12:27 PM
      Looking great, Pat. I'm loving those wheels. Just my opinion, but I would keep larger tires in the back when the time comes to replace your tires.
Those rims with the larger tires have a wicked old-school muscle look to them (even without center caps ) particularly on a notchback.


Rick 88 MSG #589, 02-28-2011 08:25 PM
      Pat, I don't recall what the factory center cap looks like for those wheels. I do like the exposed lug nut look. Maybe there is a small center cap you can put on that will allow the lug nuts to show. What year Beretta are the wheels from? I can research the caps for you here at the dealership.

The weekend of the 18th is my next 3 day. This week I am off Thursday.


katatak MSG #590, 02-28-2011 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BigGuyTinyCar:

Looking great, Pat. I'm loving those wheels. Just my opinion, but I would keep larger tires in the back when the time comes to replace your tires.
Those rims with the larger tires have a wicked old-school muscle look to them (even without center caps ) particularly on a notchback.


Hey Tim,

I'm liking the stance of the car - it will most likely stay this way it is for awhile. I put the back wheels on with the stock Fiero lugs and plastic caps. I was thinking of "blacking" out the inset/lug area?


katatak MSG #591, 02-28-2011 09:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, I don't recall what the factory center cap looks like for those wheels. I do like the exposed lug nut look. Maybe there is a small center cap you can put on that will allow the lug nuts to show. What year Beretta are the wheels from? I can research the caps for you here at the dealership.

The weekend of the 18th is my next 3 day. This week I am off Thursday.


Hey Rick,

They are off a 94 - 95 - 96 Baretta. I found some online - there are acouple available - I just need to decide which ones are the right ones. One is lsted at 6.5". I'm not sure where they measure them from - across the face of the one I have is about 6". Across the back is about 5.5". They also list a ^' and a 5.5"? See what you can find at the dealership. Here's a pic:

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-28-2011).]

1988holleyformula MSG #592, 02-28-2011 09:23 PM
      I'm actually a fan of the center caps that came with those wheels. They clean up that area nice, while still being able to view the lugs.



Take out the bowtie and put an arrowhead on them and it would look sweet! IMO

Love your bumperpad sleeper!

edit: doh, took too long finding my pictures. beat me! oh, and pretty sure they were only on the Z26 models of the years that you posted

[This message has been edited by 1988holleyformula (edited 02-28-2011).]

katatak MSG #593, 02-28-2011 09:37 PM
      My goal this afternoon was to remove the AC condensor and the heater/AC box in the firewall. It is an aftermarket unit and the condensor was mounted with the rad removed - the screws were through the back side! Removal woud require the removal of the rad! I got out my trusty cut off saw and cut the screws off from the front side. Condensor out!. Then I decided to start on the heater/AC unit. It was installed in a shady way but I managed to get it out. As I was crawling around under the front end and all over the top, I found that several critters had been living in the car.

Way back when I did the interior, I found a few mice nests under the seats and then when I pulled the back end off, I found another nest between the tail lights. Why should the front be any different. I found where they had been living under the headlights - looks like the living room was on the driver side and the bathroom was on the passenger side. When I pulled the haeter / AC unit, there was another nest in the fan area (must have been a 4 bedroom unit). I have a big mess to clean up. On a brighter note, I was having a ground issue with the drivers front turn signal - found where the critters had been chewing on the wiring harness so I am pretty sure I found the problem.

I decided to pull the hood and the front bumper off to aid in the clean out!



The nice mess under the headlights:






The aftermarket AC Unit:


Another mice bedroom!


Unit out!


In order to get the rest of the heater/duct work unit out, I have to remove the firewall electrical connector - it's held in place to the heater / duct box with 2 - 7mm screws that must be a foor long. I just can't seem to reach the top one to get it out. Going to have to have my 17 year old crawl up under the dash and get it out.

More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-28-2011).]

katatak MSG #594, 02-28-2011 09:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

I'm actually a fan of the center caps that came with those wheels. They clean up that area nice, while still being able to view the lugs.



Take out the bowtie and put an arrowhead on them and it would look sweet! IMO

Love your bumperpad sleeper!

edit: doh, took too long finding my pictures. beat me! oh, and pretty sure they were only on the Z26 models of the years that you posted



Thanks for the pic - yes you are correct with the Z26 - I was thinking Z24 but was not exactly sure.

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-28-2011).]

katatak MSG #595, 02-28-2011 09:48 PM
      Here's what I was thinking with the center caps. I will cut a whole in the center the correct size for a Fiero center cap to snap into the Baretta center cap. If it fits too loose, I can epoxy it in place.



Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 02-28-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #596, 03-01-2011 01:53 PM
      Pat,

Send me a part number for the center cap you have if it fits correctly.


Jake_Dragon MSG #597, 03-01-2011 03:48 PM
      After two years without a heater I would like to get mine working. Defrost is the main reason.

katatak MSG #598, 03-01-2011 09:49 PM
      Got a little more done this afternoon. I wrestled with the AC/haeter box till I was ready to give up. But victory was mine! I also removed the headlights and started to clean up the critter mess! Hoping to drag it over to the muffler shop tomorrow.

I think I shaved about 75 pounds off the car:


Now I have a big hole to cover - I'll check on a nice piece of aluminum plate or I'll just make a cover out of fiberglass?


Done for the night!


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 03-02-2011).]

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #599, 03-02-2011 10:55 AM
      What is that ugly blue thing in the drive way?

katatak MSG #600, 03-02-2011 02:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

What is that ugly blue thing in the drive way?


I apologize for displaying the Blue Ford in a Fiero thread - I was not thinking! It's my oldest boy's car. I bought it for him last year as a "deal" to keep him in college. He ended up quiting college and is now working for the CN railroad out of Chicago - at least he is working! So for now, I am the caretaker of his car!


Rick 88 MSG #601, 03-02-2011 08:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Here's what I was thinking with the center caps. I will cut a whole in the center the correct size for a Fiero center cap to snap into the Baretta center cap. If it fits too loose, I can epoxy it in place.



Pat



Pat, get me a part number for that cap. It should be on the back. There are a couple that look similar.


katatak MSG #602, 03-02-2011 09:04 PM
      Ok Rick - here is what's on the back:

MOLD - 138
CAV - 1
DEL MET
BOC
22578632
SAE
PPE-PA
56


Rick 88 MSG #603, 03-02-2011 09:40 PM
      Got it. Hope there are some out there. If so I will find them.

katatak MSG #604, 03-04-2011 10:02 PM
      No pics today but I did get a lot done. I wanted to clean up the engine bay wiring some so I dove in. Got it the way I want it for now. Later I will completely redo the harness.

More later!

Pat



katatak MSG #605, 03-05-2011 09:04 PM
      Made some progress today! I fabbed up a fiberglass panel to plug the hole in the firewall. I layed the glass tnight out in the workshop. Seems I locked a wild kitten that has been living under my 47 in the workshop last night. When I opened the shop this morning, the kitty went scampering out and I had nice kitty tracks in my fiberglass panel!

This morning, I trimmed out the panel, sanded and painted it and got it installed - turned out great. Also got all the "mice" chewed wiring fixed and the lights all working. Around noon, the Bus pulled up in the driveway. Spent the next few hours installing new door locks and a trunk lock in the Bus. Frizlefrak stopped by in his White GT - it was a full day of Fiero's!

Mount holes drilled:


C500 Connector hole cut out and sanded:


Painted:


Installed:





And the chewed up wiring:


Door locks on the Bus:



And Frizlefrak's GT:



Caught in the act - I put the spit shine on those Baretta wheels!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 03-05-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #606, 03-07-2011 05:47 PM
      Looking good Pat. I am still chasing center caps for those wheels.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #607, 03-08-2011 10:14 AM
      Do mine next!!

katatak MSG #608, 03-08-2011 11:05 AM
      It's too much work Joe! I only got 2 of them done before giving up! I'll have to find some more energy to get the other 2 done!

Going to scour some junk yards in Phoenix this afternoon for some center caps. Spent a couple hours yesterday wandering around the "Desert Valley" classic car junk yard. All kinds of projects in there.

More later!

Pat


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #609, 03-08-2011 06:26 PM
      That panel looks slick! Who needs AC or a heater?



Rick 88 MSG #610, 03-08-2011 08:09 PM
      I found your center caps! Emailed you the link.

katatak MSG #611, 03-11-2011 10:34 PM
      Tinkered on the Coupe a little this afternoon. Got the front end put back together and fired her up for a little bit. Maybe some exhaust will get built tomorrow!

The Wife went shopping so I took advantage and washed some parts in the sink!


Headlights back in, trimmed out and working!



Complete!


I removed the trim for the cowl and vaccumed out all the debris underneath it. After the new windshield is installed, I will scrub and paint it.

Dirty!


Clean!


More tomorrow!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #612, 03-11-2011 10:52 PM
      White Fiero's are my favorite!

katatak MSG #613, 03-11-2011 11:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

White Fiero's are my favorite!


I agree Joe! Even when it's dirty, it looks clean! This one will be painted white again when I get all the mechanical stuff done!


Rick 88 MSG #614, 03-12-2011 05:05 PM
      It gonna be even faster when you get done taking all the dirt out of it!

katatak MSG #615, 03-12-2011 09:01 PM
      I figure 75 pounds for the AC/heater stuff and 200 pounds for all the sand and dirt and mice nests - that's gotta be worth a pony or two?

katatak MSG #616, 03-15-2011 09:16 PM
      Got some of the exhaust done today. From the firewall header flange to the muffler! Does not sound like much but I have been putting this off for too long now. Time to get busy. Got a lot of Fiero work coming up. New rotors and pads on the XTC plus re grease all the poly suspension bushings and Rick is bringing his Mera over on Friday to start the suspension lowering project and do some "tune up" work. We always seem to get busy when the heat kicks in around here.

More later!

Pat



katatak MSG #617, 03-16-2011 10:24 PM
      A little more progress on the exhaust today. Got both side finished and welded up - just have to complete the connection to the muffler then build the tips!



More later!

Pat



Lambo nut MSG #618, 03-17-2011 09:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

A little more progress on the exhaust today. Got both side finished and welded up - just have to complete the connection to the muffler then build the tips!



More later!

Pat


Hey Pat, you need to get you some pads for those stands so you don't scratch the pretty paint!

http://www.harborfreight.co...ack-stand-95952.html

Kevin


katatak MSG #619, 03-17-2011 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Lambo nut:


Hey Pat, you need to get you some pads for those stands so you don't scratch the pretty paint!

http://www.harborfreight.co...ack-stand-95952.html

Kevin



Hey Kevin! I know. I always look at those at Harbor Frieght but never pick up some - I'll have to put those on the list!


katatak MSG #620, 03-17-2011 11:13 PM
      A little more exhaust progress - no pics! Got the piece from the header pipe to the muffler fabbed up and started on the "flange" mount for the muffler. Got the flange welded to the muffler before I called it a night. I have to make an "adapter" to go from 2.25 pipe to the 3" flange mount. Then I can bolt the muffler to the exhaust and then build the hangers for the muffler. Once that is done, I can fab up the tips.

Got a bunch of suspension work to do on Rick's Mera tomorrow so the Coupe will be taking a break!

More later!

Pat



BigGuyTinyCar (timcat99@q.com) MSG #621, 03-18-2011 03:11 PM
      Wow, Pat, is there anything you can't do? I'm starting to believe, as Dan says, that you really are Superman.
Did you do those welds with your laser vision?


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #622, 03-18-2011 09:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BigGuyTinyCar:

Wow, Pat, is there anything you can't do? I'm starting to believe, as Dan says, that you really are Superman.
Did you do those welds with your laser vision?


Tim....once Pat steps into the phone booth and dons his cape, he is invinceable.

BTW......sorry I missed you guys today Pat. Long story.


katatak MSG #623, 03-18-2011 11:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BigGuyTinyCar:

Wow, Pat, is there anything you can't do? I'm starting to believe, as Dan says, that you really are Superman.
Did you do those welds with your laser vision?


Hey Tim,

I don't do windows! Don't look at those welds too close - you could hang your coat on them....They are pretty rough. Nothing a gtinder cna't smooth out though.


katatak MSG #624, 03-18-2011 11:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Tim....once Pat steps into the phone booth and dons his cape, he is invinceable.

BTW......sorry I missed you guys today Pat. Long story.


You did not miss much Dan! No apology needed. We are back at it @ 9 am tomorrow - stop by if you can - I have ice cold Blue Moons and Fat Tire's in the little fridge! Come around noon and we can get some lunch.

We got the front suspension changed out on the Mera - 1" lowering balljoints and cut springs. Then we tore the rear suspension apart and re lubed all the poly. In the middle of that, we went over to a junkyard and bought a bed for Jan's truck. He will be over in the AM to install it on his red truck. Should be fun!

Pat


Jake_Dragon MSG #625, 03-19-2011 06:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

You did not miss much Dan! No apology needed. We are back at it @ 9 am tomorrow - stop by if you can - I have ice cold Blue Moons and Fat Tire's in the little fridge! Come around noon and we can get some lunch.

We got the front suspension changed out on the Mera - 1" lowering balljoints and cut springs. Then we tore the rear suspension apart and re lubed all the poly. In the middle of that, we went over to a junkyard and bought a bed for Jan's truck. He will be over in the AM to install it on his red truck. Should be fun!

Pat


Are those Rodney ballljoints? I have been thinking about installing a set of them in my car. How much did it lower it with the cut springs and ball joints?

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 03-19-2011).]

katatak MSG #626, 03-20-2011 12:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Are those Rodney ballljoints? I have been thinking about installing a set of them in my car. How much did it lower it with the cut springs and ball joints?



Hey Jake!

Yes they are RD's 1" lowering ball joints. Before we had about 4" between the tire and the outer rim of the wheel opening. Now we have about 1.5" so we took 2.5" out in the front.


katatak MSG #627, 03-20-2011 10:32 PM
      Got some exhaust work done today - it's nearly there!

Muffler mounted and everything is tacked or welded in place.




This week I will pull the exhaust out and finsih up all the welding, reinstall the rear bumper and finish the tips. Hope to be driving it around town next Weekend!

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #628, 03-21-2011 11:13 PM
      A little more done this evening. Got all the exhaust welded up and reinstalled with the header gaskets. Fired her up and she sounds reat - a little loud and I'll fix that with some reonator cones in the outlet of the muffler.

A few pics:









More later!

Pat


turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #629, 03-21-2011 11:27 PM
      Please ask Frizelfrak to check his PM. I want his GT.

katatak MSG #630, 03-21-2011 11:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Please ask Frizelfrak to check his PM. I want his GT.


Done!


turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #631, 03-21-2011 11:46 PM
      Thank You Sir, I have been watching your builds for quite a while. Great work. Gotta love the construction zone !!

katatak MSG #632, 03-21-2011 11:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by turbodad:

Thank You Sir, I have been watching your builds for quite a while. Great work. Gotta love the construction zone !!


Thanks for the kind words - I'll give Firz's GT a plug - it's a very nice GT and I'd be snagging it for myself if I did not have 1 or 2 too many Fiero's now. You won't be dissapointed if you pick it up! I sent him an email - you should hear back from him shortly.

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #633, 03-21-2011 11:59 PM
      Somebody rang??

PM replied Turbodad


katatak MSG #634, 03-22-2011 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Somebody rang??

PM replied Turbodad


I knew you would turn up sometime - been out playing with your new Fiero?


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #635, 03-22-2011 08:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I knew you would turn up sometime - been out playing with your new Fiero?


Ohhhhh yes. I now have cold A/C.


katatak MSG #636, 03-22-2011 08:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Ohhhhh yes. I now have cold A/C.


Excellent - my new AC works great too - windows down - pedal to the metal! And hang my head out the window!


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #637, 03-25-2011 01:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Excellent - my new AC works great too - windows down - pedal to the metal! And hang my head out the window!


Yep, we all need a little 120* Texas wind in our face!!!


Adam1988 (adamwold@hotmail.com) MSG #638, 03-25-2011 09:54 PM
      What did you use as the throttle cable holder? Is it something you fabricated? I used one I bought and it's just a piece of crap.

You do great work.


katatak MSG #639, 03-25-2011 11:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:


Yep, we all need a little 120* Texas wind in our face!!!


Feel the burn Joe!


katatak MSG #640, 03-25-2011 11:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Adam1988:

What did you use as the throttle cable holder? Is it something you fabricated? I used one I bought and it's just a piece of crap.

You do great work.


Thanks for the kind words Adam. Not really sure what it is off of - looks like a factory setup of an old qudra jet / GM setup. I'll take some pics and post them tomorrow - I believe I have the same bracket on my 70 Monte. More tomorrow.

Pat



katatak MSG #641, 03-26-2011 08:39 PM
      Got a new windshield installed this morning!



And picked up a little sumthin sumthin for the next project!



More later!

Pat

Yes! IOP17!

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 03-26-2011).]

katatak MSG #642, 03-31-2011 10:00 PM
      Did a little tinkering on the V8 Coupe this afternoon. When I got the car, there were no windshield wipers and the cowl/windshield piece was in bad shape. I went to the pick and pull and got a set of arms and a cowl piece. Then stopped by AZ and picked up some new wiper blades. After a good cleaning and some fresh paint, the cowl and the wiper arms were ready to install.

When that was done, I gave it it's first bath under my ownership! Spent a lot of time on the Baretta wheels, cleaned all the glass and then did some work on the rockers and lower doors - plastic rivets were broken and pieces were just hanging on the car. Ran out of the long plastic rivets so I did not get that little project done. I will be tackling the outer dew wipes this weekend and I have a little exhaust work left to do. After that it's pretty much ready to go for inspection and registration. Bought collector car insurance from Hagerty's today - inlcuding 150 mile radius towing for 145.31 a year.

Once I start driving it, I'll start the cosmetics - paint the mirrors, engine grates, etc. Still have to build an extractor scoop in the hood and replace the lower valance on the front nose. It will never be "done" but at least I can start driving it. I did take it for a spin around the neighborhood this evening. This is going to be a fun car!

One more thing - and I know this will piss off the Northern Fiero Folks - but I had to give in and get the garage swamp cooler going to day. It was pushing 90 here today and the thermometer in the garage was @ 95*.

Let the cooling begin!



Chirs started a rehab on some 88 gold wheels - he wants to put them on the Formula - he has a lot of work to do!


Fixed up the Cowl and wipers:





And all cleaned up:




More later!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #643, 03-31-2011 11:50 PM
      She's coming along nicely Pat.....you gonna bring her by tomorrow?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #644, 04-01-2011 12:13 AM
      Looking real good, Pat!

But really? A/C outside in March?? 90F!? A few days ago it snowed here, and I had to use the propane heater in the garage! That's no fair.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 04-01-2011).]

katatak MSG #645, 04-01-2011 12:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

She's coming along nicely Pat.....you gonna bring her by tomorrow?


I'll be riding the scoot tomorrow - No reg or inspection yet. I have to yank the seats to bolt in the seat belt clips - maybe I'll do it tomorrow?


katatak MSG #646, 04-01-2011 12:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Looking real good, Pat!

But really? A/C outside in March?? 90F!? A few days ago it snowed here, and I had to use the propane heater in the garage! That's no fair.



I'm sorry Matt! My original plan was to have this car done in January so I could drive it before it gets too hot down here. Looks like I got it just in time for the heat! If it makes you feel any better, we are supposed to get high winds (means a sand storm) and record high temps tomorrow and Saturday - then a cold front comes through - supposed to drop into the 70's!


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #647, 04-01-2011 12:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I'm sorry Matt! My original plan was to have this car done in January so I could drive it before it gets too hot down here. Looks like I got it just in time for the heat! If it makes you feel any better, we are supposed to get high winds (means a sand storm) and record high temps tomorrow and Saturday - then a cold front comes through - supposed to drop into the 70's!


Its funny how you describe a "cold front" as 70's. I would be ecstatic if it was 70F outside right now. It's going to be warm tomorrow here as well, and I mean warm as in mid 40's.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 04-01-2011).]

katatak MSG #648, 04-03-2011 08:23 PM
      Not much work on the V8 Coupe this weekend but I did manage to get the exhaust tips welded on and fixed a little issue I had with a trans mount.I did work on Fiero's all day yesterday though. Did a gen 2 headlight swap on the Short Bus, helped Frizlefrak repair an oil leak on his GT and did some work on a 3800SC that I am prepping for a swap. Plus I spent 4 hours working on my swamp cooler for the house. I'm glad the weekend is nearly over - going back to work will be a nice break from all the Fiero work I've been doing lately.

I only have a few things left to get the car ready for inspection. Got to go to the yard tomorrow and pull a set of seatbelt latches - I really only need the fastners so it should only take a few minutes. Then I have to pull the seats out of the V8 Copue so I can install them. I should be legal by Tuesday! I can;t wait.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #649, 04-06-2011 05:17 PM
      Insured, inspected and registered today! Hooray! Cruised it around town about 40 miles - no issues, ran @ 180* - plenty of power! I'll be needing tires soon!

More later!

Pat



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #650, 04-06-2011 05:53 PM
      Great build! I enjoy following all of your build threads. You do a great job of showing the problem, then showing the solution. I look forward to following your Short Bus SC3800 build thread.

katatak MSG #651, 04-06-2011 05:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by topcat:

Great build! I enjoy following all of your build threads. You do a great job of showing the problem, then showing the solution. I look forward to following your Short Bus SC3800 build thread.


Thanks Topcat - it's been a fun build - it's not done - but at least I can drive it now.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #652, 04-06-2011 07:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks Topcat - it's been a fun build - it's not done - but at least I can drive it now.


Good.....time for a little hellride up and down Montana You need me to bring by the big torque wrench?


katatak MSG #653, 04-06-2011 09:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Good.....time for a little hellride up and down Montana You need me to bring by the big torque wrench?


Now there's a funny story - I actually had to stop by Frizefrak's and borrow the big ass torque wrench as my axle nuts were getting loose this evening. Thanks for the big ass torque wrench Dan! I did not have near the pucker factor on the drive back home. I did get slapped twice by the Mrs though - once when leaving your house and when I smoked a Mustang GT on 601 on the way home! I know it will bury the speedo!


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #654, 04-07-2011 12:10 AM
      Yep....I'd posted about the B.A.T.W. about 10 minutes before you called me LOL.

katatak MSG #655, 04-08-2011 01:28 AM
      Got started on a hood extracter vent today. Rick suggested that I use a "defroster" vent grate from the Fiero dash and fluch mount it into the hood. I was sitting out in the garage taking a Union break this afternoon with Jeff and we were talking about the vent. My origianl plan was to cut a couple "strips" in the hood and "sink" them in to create a couple vents. After looking at ait and talking about it, I went out in the shed and grabbed a spare defrost vent. After laying it on the hood and looking at it some, we started laying out on the hood. We talked about setting it in at an agngle and after messing with it, I started to think that flush mounting it would be OK. But jeff said that setting it in at an angle would be "cooler". So that's the direction we are heading in.

Laying it out!


Starting to cut it out:


No going back now!


Mocked up!







More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #656, 04-08-2011 11:16 PM
      A little more work on the extractor:








More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #657, 04-09-2011 10:18 AM
      I want one too!!!!

katatak MSG #658, 04-09-2011 12:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

I want one too!!!!


Start cutting Joe!


Rick 88 MSG #659, 04-10-2011 08:54 AM
      Nice work Pat! I'm glad you took my idea and ran with it. Since you are using a factory Fiero part this could be considered a "stock" addition.

The "twin duke" actually was fairly quiet when you passed by me yesterday. I think you will suprise a lot of unsuspecting people.

How does the Mera look with its new lowered stance on the road?

[This message has been edited by Rick 88 (edited 04-10-2011).]

katatak MSG #660, 04-10-2011 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Nice work Pat! I'm glad you took my idea and ran with it. Since you are using a factory Fiero part this could be considered a "stock" addition.

The "twin duke" actually was fairly quiet when you passed by me yesterday. I think you will suprise a lot of unsuspecting people.

How does the Mera look with its new lowered stance on the road?




Thanks Rick!

The exhaust came out exactly the way I wanted it - sounds nice and V8ish at idle - but not to loud with the pedal mashed. The Mera looks "right" now! We really need to trim the "tongue"


katatak MSG #661, 04-10-2011 06:41 PM
      Got little more done on the extractor today! I have a few little spots to smooth out but it's pretty much done now until it's paint time.











More Later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-10-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #662, 04-11-2011 07:01 PM
      Pat, you should post a separate thread on this hood vent mod.

N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #663, 04-12-2011 02:03 AM
      Now *that* is damn cool! I love watching your threads, you're so efficient.

katatak MSG #664, 04-17-2011 09:59 PM
      Went to a local guys place today that was advertising an T Top GT and some Fiero Parts on CL - plus he has them listed here on PFF. Anyway, He was giving away the Fiero parts. After rummaging through the pieces and parts, we found a Notchie deck lid with a scoop already molded in and most of the work was done. I grabbed it and brought it home.

As picked:


And after some sanding!



And a shot of the V8 Coupe today!


More later!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 04-17-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #665, 04-18-2011 07:31 PM
      Pat,

Shoot some primer on that decklid and stick it on the coupe!


katatak MSG #666, 04-19-2011 11:10 PM
      So I had a problem with the front spoiler - the FSM parts book says it's called a deflector! Anyway, the one on my car was pretty much destroyed - missing 95% of the lower center section - the part that actually deflected air into the rad. Yesterday, I wandered the yards and could only find one that was in slightly better shape than the one I had. I snagged it and dragged it home. After fighting with it for several hours, I finally got it mounted with the intention of doing some repairs to the rips and tears in the center section. The more I looked at it, the worse it looked. All that work to swap it out and it looked like doo doo!

Today, I gave it a lot of thought and decided that I would build a sheet metal piece that would fit inside the lower section. Then I would bond the sheet metal and plastic together - hoping that the sheet mteal would give a solid foundation for the messed up plastic. After cutting and shaping the sheet metal piece, I fit it up under the car and again, after eyeballing it for awhile, I did not like it. What to do? I ended up cutting the tore up center section out and mounted the sheet metal "deflector". I left enough of the plastic center section to overlap the sheet metal by an inch and then drilled and riveted the plastic to the sheet metal. A quick low gloss black paint job and it's done. It will do until I can find a nice original replacement. I just have to be careful and not catch the deflector on anything - it has no "give"!

Forming the sheet metal:




Fit up - if you look close you can see how bad the plastic is:



Plastic cut out:


Taking shape:


A little paint:


And finished:





More later!

Pat



katatak MSG #667, 04-24-2011 06:32 PM
      A little more work on the deck lid today!







Go to go to APYS tomorrow and get some paint matched.

More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #668, 04-25-2011 09:19 AM
      Pat, if you have any more Fiero decklid screen, you should glass a piece into the scoop opening to match the front hood vent.

katatak MSG #669, 04-26-2011 09:31 PM
      Great minds think alike Rick!

I had a piece of the hex mesh that came from under an SE engine grate. Unfortunately it was not long enough to cut a piece out of it on a 90* bias. I cut it diagonally, made a few bends and trimmed a little here and there and mounted it with some epoxy. When I turned the hood right side up, I did not like the "look" of the hexes on a diagonal!

So this afternoon, I went to the pick and pull and got another defrost vent out of a Fiero Dash. The wind was blowing so bad when I started to walk back to the car, I had to sit in a junker Astro Van for nearly an hour before I could make a break for the car. I got the hex mesh out of the frame without destroying it and started to fab it up. I ended up cutting a "grrove" in the top side for the mesh to rest in and then made a 90* bend on the bottom to overlap the underside of the scoop. Plan was to epoxy the mesh in a few spots just to hold it in place. I managed to get it done and when I flipped it back over, the mesh looks much better running square. I also managed to put a few "dings" in the primer so I had to do a little more body work. The wind was so bad here today that there was/is no way I could paint it today so I did not loose any time.

Here's what it looked like with the mesh on the diagonal:



Fitting the "new" piece of mesh:


Finished - I will clean up the underside and paint it to match the factory color:


The latest look - I am not sure wat went wrong with my camera - pics are kind of blurry?




And the last shot of the day! More sanding!


More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #670, 04-28-2011 01:00 PM
      Very nice Pat! After it's painted perhaps some factory "Ram Air" decals would be appropriate.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #671, 04-29-2011 09:15 PM
      I got some body work needs to be done. Any volunteers? We support Union Breaks!!!!

Looks good to me!

[This message has been edited by josef644 (edited 04-29-2011).]

katatak MSG #672, 05-01-2011 05:57 PM
      Been having some "runability" issues with the Coupe. At first I thought it was an ignition issue. Replaced the plugs, new MSD cap & rotor. Much to my disapointment, the MSD rotor was a piece of crap! It rubbed on the advance mech. and would stick in the advanced postion. I had to perform some surgery on the inside of the rotor to get the required clearance. Also bought a new Accel HEI Super coil. Another issue I found was that the port that I had the vac advance hooked to - actually had no vac (using and Edlebrock Carb). After hooking up the vac advance to the correct vac port, I fired it up and it seemed to run smoother. I went for a drive and the issue remained at lower cruising speed - felt like it was missing on a few cylinders. Kind of had a "surge" to it. I took it out on the loop and put the hammer to it. What a difference having the vac hooked up right made. The motor really came alive. It felt a whole lot more stonger than before. Way eaiser to light up the tires. But I still had the problem with a miss/surge at lower cruise speeds and idle. Once I mashed the gas and cleaned it out, it ran excellent. The last run I made with it, the alternator belt rolled over on the pulley's - never came off but it started rubbing the timing tab and made a terrible racket! At first I thought I hurt it. I limped her home and started on the repairs.

Once I had the tire off, I was able to get in there and roll the belt back over but it would not stay that way - as soon as I fired up the motor, it would roll back over - the belt was shot! It was about that time I realized that there is not enough space between the frame rail and the balancer to get the belt off! That's a whole other issue that I resolved but it was a major PITA. From now forward, changing the belt will be very easy so I guess I did what I should have done back when I stuffed the motor.

My buddy kept telling me to ditch the Edlebrock - instisting that they have poor idle circuits to begin with. At first I did not want to listen to him but I finally gave in. I had a freshly rebuilt Quadra Jet on the shelf so I installed it. Had an issue right off with a fuel leak at the inlet (never seen a QJet yet that did not have a leak problem there). I got the leak fixed and fired her up. Seemed to run a little smoother at idle but still had a littl bobble. I adjusted the timing, carb, timing, carb, back and forth but could not get it to clean up. We changed the springs on the mech. advance which helped it rev quicker. Again, once I stomped on it and cleared it out, it seemd to run pretty smooth for a short while - after it sat idling for a few minutes - while adjusting the carb/timing, it would start to stumble - load up. At different times, I could see the fule dripping from the horns at an idle! Looks like I have the same issue with the Q Jet as I did with the Edlebrock.

I knew that I needed to install a regulator - it did not have one when I got it and that is the reason why the oil pan was half full of gas and the bearings were shot. I read all the threads on PFF - most of which said that you need to use a bypass regulator! I went to the local speed shop looking for a bypass regulator and they only had the single line style in a Holley unit. Being PIG headed, I bought and installed the Holley and a cheap in line pressure gauge. Withe the regulator turned out/down all the way - just before the adjustment screw falls out, the cheap gauge shows 5psi. Being PIG headed, I went with it. Now I beleive that the cheap gaige is not right and the pressure is closer to 8 - which is the bottome end the regulator is rated for! 8 psi is simply too much for a float in a carb.

Moral of the story: Don't be PIG headed and CHEAP! Take the advice of those that have "been there- done that". Don't try nd reinvent the wheel and realize that you may not always be right!

I'll be spending next week in the Dallas - Ft. Worth area and will be visiting all the hot rod stores I can find - looking for that bypass regulator. If I can;t find one, I'll have to put aside my PIG headedness and just order one from Jegs or Summit!

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #673, 05-10-2011 12:40 AM
      Had a chance to tinker with the Coupe this evening. I ordered a bypass regulator - I believe that it will solve the problem. The quadrajet I installed seems to handle the bottom end better and does not seem to load up like the Edlebrock. I was able to get the fuel pressure cut down to 5 psi which for the quadrajet, is too low for the upper end - WOT it stumbles and acts like it's running out of fuel. Once I install the bypass regulator, I will have a better idea of how it runs on the upper end. After messing with it a little tonight, I took it for a spin and found that it runs pretty good as long as I stay out of the secondaries. I can't wait to see how it runs with plenty of fuel.

Here's a little taste: The video is not so great - had my 17 year old running the camera.




Rick 88 MSG #674, 05-10-2011 03:38 PM
      Careful now......that is considered "exhibition of acceleration" to certain members of our population.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #675, 05-11-2011 04:35 PM
      Better N Viagra!!!!!!!

katatak MSG #676, 05-11-2011 05:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Careful now......that is considered "exhibition of acceleration" to certain members of our population.


It's not illegal until you get caught - right?


katatak MSG #677, 05-11-2011 05:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Better N Viagra!!!!!!!


I heard that!


Jake_Dragon MSG #678, 05-11-2011 06:02 PM
      So tell me how is the low alt mount working out for you?
Does your alt sound louder down there?


katatak MSG #679, 05-11-2011 06:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

So tell me how is the low alt mount working out for you?
Does your alt sound louder down there?


So far so good Jake. I had an issue a few weeks ago - at the upper end of the RPM range, the belt "flipped" upside down but never came off - the belt was rubbing the timing tab and I could smell rubber burning. I think it flipped becuase it was not tight enough. I installed a new belt and made sure it was good and tight - I have been up to the upper end of the RPM range several times with the new belt and no issues. It does seem that the alternaotr makes more noise - Almost like where I have it mounted - on the front of the front motor mount - that it seems to "resonate" the regualr alternator noise through the mount - almost like a "ringing" noise. I can put my hand on the motor mount and dampen the noise some. I was just thinking that the aternator bearing was getting ready to fail? I have a replacement - maybe I'll swap it out before it fails and see what the noise does.


Rick 88 MSG #680, 05-12-2011 08:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


It's not illegal until you get caught - right?


You could always say; "But officer, you must be mistaken, it's only a Fiero"


Jake_Dragon MSG #681, 05-13-2011 05:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


So far so good Jake. I had an issue a few weeks ago - at the upper end of the RPM range, the belt "flipped" upside down but never came off - the belt was rubbing the timing tab and I could smell rubber burning. I think it flipped becuase it was not tight enough. I installed a new belt and made sure it was good and tight - I have been up to the upper end of the RPM range several times with the new belt and no issues. It does seem that the alternaotr makes more noise - Almost like where I have it mounted - on the front of the front motor mount - that it seems to "resonate" the regualr alternator noise through the mount - almost like a "ringing" noise. I can put my hand on the motor mount and dampen the noise some. I was just thinking that the aternator bearing was getting ready to fail? I have a replacement - maybe I'll swap it out before it fails and see what the noise does.


I almost think its where its at. My new alt is louder than the old one but I could hear both of them. If I pull the sense wire its quiet so I don't think its the bearing.
Did you keep the stock heat shield in place? I wonder if it would help with noise. My bracket is working great, the turn buckle is perfect for tightening the belt. So far its not had any problems and its staying tight.
I my try a new belt as this one was on when I was having harmonic balancer issues. I may have contaminated it.


katatak MSG #682, 05-14-2011 01:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


I almost think its where its at. My new alt is louder than the old one but I could hear both of them. If I pull the sense wire its quiet so I don't think its the bearing.
Did you keep the stock heat shield in place? I wonder if it would help with noise. My bracket is working great, the turn buckle is perfect for tightening the belt. So far its not had any problems and its staying tight.
I my try a new belt as this one was on when I was having harmonic balancer issues. I may have contaminated it.


Hey Jake-

I tried that this evening - pulled the excite wire and my alt noise went away - not the bearing but when it's charging, it produces some wierd harmonics through the front engine mount plate. I made an easy "slide" type tension bracket but I like your turn buckle idea and will be upgrading mine here soon. I do not have the heat shield in place as I have been tinkering with fuel lines and wiring in an attempt to get everything routed where it won't melt from the firewall header/collector. I think I have it all sorted now so it's time to install the heat shield.

On another note, I got my new bypass regulator and fuel pressure gauge from Summit today and installed it this evening. While I was under the car digging out the retun line for the bypass regulator, I pulled out the line that originally went to the evap canister - I thought that it had a small breather/filter in the line but discovered that it was plugged solid. There was no vent for the tank and after a period of driving, the car would act like it ran out of fuel - more so at WOT in thrid and fourth. I think that the pump would pull a vac on the tank until it "equalized" and would not allow enough fuel through the pump. Once I got the line hooked up for the carb and the return, I took the car for a drive - man what a difference. First, I am able to dial in the correct fuel pressure to keep from pushing fuel pass the needle and seat and second, I am able to return fuel to the tank versus trying to hold it all back with the single regulator. The single was rated at 4 to 9 psi and without the return, I believe that the regulator simply could not hold the pressure back. With the single regulator, I could watch the old fuel pressure gauge and watch it slowly rise with the car sitting at an idle. At about 7.5 psi, I could see the fuel being pushed through the idle circuit and cause the motor to load up. Now with the bypass regulator and a much more accurate gauge, I have it dialed into about 6 psi and it stays there at all throttle positions. No more drip drip drip in the carb either. All I have to do now is install a filter on the vent line and I think the fuel problems will be sorted and finished.

I love it when I come home and I have a Summit box waiting for me!


Implements of destruction and all the players!


Installed - temporary - going to have some steel braided line made once I get the routing sorted out.


A steady 5 psi - after a couple drives, I bumped it up to 6 psi - seems a little smoother at cruise with a little more pressure.


Tomorrow's project - 120mph Speedo!


More tomorrow!

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 05-14-2011).]

Rick 88 MSG #683, 05-14-2011 01:23 PM
      You will need a 5-speed with that 120 speedo there buckaroo..........Hmmmm i wonder who has one close by............

katatak MSG #684, 05-14-2011 11:04 PM
      Got another project within the project done today. Got the declid with the scoop painted and installed. The paint did not turn out the way I wanted but it will do until I can get the whole car painted. After I finished the bypass regulator last night, I filled up the car and today I took it for it's longest drive yet. The car ran great. Went up over Trans Mountain to the West side. Never got over 180* pulling the long hill @ 65 - 70 mph. I met up with Rick and Jeff at Rudy's. When I pulled into the parking lot, there was a herd of Cobras. Took a few pics. Could not get any of them to trade me for my Fiero! I filled up the car about 1/2 Hour ago - I did not "rod" the car all day - put about 98 miles on it and the gauge showed 1/2 tank - took 5.4 gallons to fill it. A little better than 18 mpg - Yesterday, before I changed to the bypass regulator and opened up the vent line, I was getting 10!

First coat!


Last coat! I will need to either color sand and clear it to get the shine or just leave it till I paint the whole car.


A little Cobra Show! Note the lonely Fiero's forced to park in the back of the lot!


I really like this one - 406 stroker with over 500 rwhp! I think it would give my SBC Fiero a run for it's money.......lol


Now here's where the day went goofy on me. Jeff and I went back to my place to instll the deck lid. This morning, I went and bought a new lo pro intake cap and a CIA setup to install with my decklid. I was so excited. We puled the old declid then installed the CIA. Next we installed the new decklid and guess what - would not shut - the CIA cap was too tall? WTF. This new decklid has a scoop molded in - it has to be deeper right? Wrong. After a lot of hood adjustement, several trips to the parts houses and 3 different air cleaners, I ended up using the old Eldlelbrock foam POS and the deck lid still did not want to close - still hits the air cleaner. After a lot of eyeballing and meassuring, we discovered that the "scoop" that was molded into this deck lid is a little narrower than the original bump in the deck. So now I have less clearance for the air cleaner - looks like I'll have to fab up something custom! Anyway, we got the deck lid on and "temporarily" adjusted so that I can close it.





Maybe I'll get to that speedo tomorrow!

Pat




Jake_Dragon MSG #685, 05-15-2011 05:36 PM
     

I had to install a large scoop to fit mine. I have the large square cut out and covered by the Mopar scoop.
Does your carb sit level? I have a level plate installed. Its not perfect but it does help. Going to have to get a new one made and get it perfect.


katatak MSG #686, 06-05-2011 10:32 PM
      Long time - no post!

I have been searching the world for 3 1996/98 Baretta Z34 wheel center caps. I have not been able to locate even one. So I started looking for alternatives. Everything I found - that had a 5X100 bolt pattern - was too large of a diameter. The Baretta Caps are 5.900"



Friday, Jeff and I went to the Mega Pull looking for old Dodge/Plymouth parts as he is looking for an old Dodge/Plymouth for a project. I never walk through the Chrysler section. I ran across an 88 Dodge Daytona - Hmm.... 5X100 pattern, alloy 14" wheels - with center caps that looked close to the right size..... So I grabbed a tire iron and attempted to "pop" them off - first off, these caps are metal! Second, I could not pop them off? As I looked around the car, it only had 3 wheels with the caps so I kind of gave up - I did not have any tools anyway so we headed for the car. A few rows down, I found the 4th wheel laying in the sand. I flipped it over and found that the caps are held on by three machine screws from the back side. My plan was to come back over the weekend with some tools and grab this one for a trial fit.

I picked up the single loose one this am and brought it back to the house - cost me 2.00 for the cap. Much to my dissapointment, it was 6.25" in diameter. Too big - crap! After thinking about it for awhile, I decided to go back and get the other 3 - just in case I could find a way to machine them down to fit the Baretta wheel.

The stock 88 Daytona cap


The Baretta cap on top the Daytona cap - I need to remove about 3/8" off the Daytona cap


My dilema was how was I going to "machine" these down? I could take them to a machine shop and pay 25 or 30 bucks each....or I could find a way to do it myself. You now what they say - "necessity is the mother of invention". I do have one of those Harbor Frieght wood lathe's... Now don't laugh... I took the flat mount plate for the lathe and marked out the 3 mount holes to fit the Daytona Cap - then drilled the plate. Once the cap was bolted to the plate, I put it on the lathe and fired it up - all looked good and the cap was centered on the plate. My first thought was to use my 4" grinder and "grind" off the excess. This did not work too well. First off, the grinder was hard to keep from "bouncing" and second, the grinding disc filled with aluminum from the cap very fast. I needed a "machine" bit? After rummaging around the shed for an hour, I found my el cheapo set of wood carving tools that I bought with the wood lathe about 10 years ago. Would it work? Remember - don't laugh. I was able to use an angled blade and it shaved the cap down in about 15 minutes. I used a piece of emory cloth to smooth it out and polish it up - It worked perfect!



Turned down to the 5.900"


Daytona Origianl Cap on right - Turned down Daytona cap on left:


With the stock Baretta cap


And on the wheel


I also had to trim the 3 mount legs and each of the lug barrels to allow the cap to sit flush to the wheel. I still need to figure out how to mount them to the wheel. I can drill and bolt them to the wheel like they were mounted on the Daytona wheel - I was also thinking about some sort of bracket that would rivet to the 3 mount lugs and then be captured ny the lug nut or just try some Ultra Grey RTV and "glue" them in place? I'll figure it out tomorrow!

More Later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #687, 06-06-2011 12:21 AM
      Pat,

That cap looks better than the original one! I can't remember what the Daytona wheels looked like, but the cap looks great on the Beretta wheel. Good Job!!


Jake_Dragon MSG #688, 06-06-2011 05:12 AM
      Good job on the wheels

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

My first thought was to use my 4" grinder and "grind" off the excess. This did not work too well. First off, the grinder was hard to keep from "bouncing" and second, the grinding disk filled with aluminum from the cap very fast.


Grinding on aluminum with a grinding wheel is very dangerous. Like you found it will fill up the disk and stop working but the danger happens when the metal expands in the wheel and fractures it, the wheel will fail and take you out with it.
Most aluminum work can be done with a heavy duty sanding disk. In your case I think you chose the best option and used the lathe.


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #689, 06-06-2011 10:32 PM
      When will the other car be back from the paint shop?
-Joe


katatak MSG #690, 06-06-2011 10:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Good job on the wheels


Grinding on aluminum with a grinding wheel is very dangerous. Like you found it will fill up the disk and stop working but the danger happens when the metal expands in the wheel and fractures it, the wheel will fail and take you out with it.
Most aluminum work can be done with a heavy duty sanding disk. In your case I think you chose the best option and used the lathe.


You are 100% correct on the grinding wheel coming apart. The first one I used was 1/4" thick and it just filled with aluminum. I switched to an 1/8" thick disc and it started coming apart right away. I found that the best thing was a 50 grit sanding disc. It did not fill up too bad with a,uminum and was flexible enough to "pop" out any a,uminum that ut did pick up. Once I got the outer - thicker - lip sanded off, I was able to use a tool steel angled tool. I just rested it on the tool rest and "eased it into the edge of the cap. If I did not press too hard, it just shaved off aluminum like butter! I had to be careful and not feed the tool too fast or it would create "low" spots. Once I got it to the diameter I wanted, I used some emory cloth to clean it up. Worked great - got the 2 front wheels done today.

I fabbed up a template for the 3 machine screws, transfered it to the wheel, marked the holes then drilled them. I retapped the mount bosses on the caps and used 1/4 - 20 X 1" stainless flat head - counter sunk screws with locktite to fasten them to the wheels. The mount bosses and the "cups" for the lugs were too tall - they did not allow the caps to sit flush with the wheel so I had to "machine" off the bosses and the cups. I used my bench belt sander - it worked as good as the lathe did. Over all it was pretty easy to do - just time consuming! I have about 25 bucks in cash in the caps, screws and 2 trips to the mega pull and when I am all done, I'll have about 10 hours of my time into them as well. Here's the funny part - after all the work I did last night, I got on the net to look for "mounting" options. I found 6 of the Baretta center caps on Ebay for 19.99 each. I like the Daytona caps better - they are sans emblems - they have a nice clean look to them. My only dilema now is trying to figure out which lug nuts to use. I like the look with the chrome lug nuts but I think that they will look good with the stock lug nuts and plastic caps.

I'll take some pics with the stock Fiero lugs tomorrow and post them up.

More tomorrow!

Pat



katatak MSG #691, 06-06-2011 10:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

When will the other car be back from the paint shop?
-Joe


Hey Joe,

Should pick the color in the next day or 2 - hopefully it will be done by the weekend - all the body work is done and the car has been primed and snaded and primed and snaded and primed and.... well anyway - it's ready for the color coat.


katatak MSG #692, 06-06-2011 10:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat,

That cap looks better than the original one! I can't remember what the Daytona wheels looked like, but the cap looks great on the Beretta wheel. Good Job!!


I agree Rick - I like the Daytona Cap a lot more than the Baretta Cap. I seriously thought about picking up the Daytona wheels - they look pretty good but would need a rehab plus they are 14s. They have a steel backing with an alloy outer?


katatak MSG #693, 06-07-2011 12:57 PM
      Managed to get all the center caps completed this AM. Now I just have to decide between the stock lugs or chrome lugs?

Stock Fiero


Chrome





More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #694, 06-08-2011 09:13 PM
      Well I started round 2 of the interior work today. The last headliner I did started to sag so I decided it was time to do it again. After tearing out the interior to get the headliner out, I decided to install the 120 speedo and a V8 tach. Got the speedo installed and the tach installed - everything is working. Tomorrow I will finish pealing the old headliner off and prepping the board for the new liner. I'm going to give the board a coat of resin on both sides to stiffen it up and "seal the underside so the glue will sick versus pull the outer layer of glass loose.

Black Widow (danyelpotvin@videotron.ca) MSG #695, 06-08-2011 11:00 PM
      Looking Sharp !!!