My 88 Formula Interior Redesign
Topic started by: Sofa King, Date: 11-09-2009 07:58 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000107.html


Sofa King MSG #1, 11-09-2009 07:58 AM
      Hi All,

Here it is! My 88 Formula interior redesign. Why the interior? OK... I love the Fiero interior. I don't know why, but I do. However, in my opinion, it lacks the basic of necessities. One of them being cup holders. As time goes by, technology around us changes, but our cars remain stuck in the years between 1984 and 1988. There are several basic necessities and creature comforts we've grown to love and would like to have. One of those, other than cup holders, is an iPod connection - not the kind that screws into the side of the dash, but something that looks and feels integrated - as it would or should be 20+ years ago.

Other changes will include a redesigned center armrest console, painted trim pieces and other "neat" little things I can think of.

The biggest goal will be to keep the interior as STOCK looking as possible.

I tinkered with the center console design for a few weeks and finally came up with something I really liked. (I used Nolan's console pic as a starting point - thanks Nolan!)



and



The hard part was over. Now it was time to begin the build... more later

G

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Macs86GT MSG #2, 11-09-2009 08:35 AM
      Interesting stuff indeed. I'll be watching this thread closely.

Sofa King MSG #3, 11-09-2009 09:03 AM
      About a month ago I decided to change the look of the trim pieces. I've been particularly fond of the silver / brushed aluminum look so I decided to go with that. The console and dash plates are very easy to remove. I lightly sanded them down with 400 grit paper, washed them off with soap and water and then let them completely dry before painting. As dopey as I am... I decided to mask off the edges so I could keep the "black" outline... During the paint process I realized that black fine tip magic marker would make things go by SO MUCH EASIER!

Below are the results...

Masking Off


The end of the X-Acto knife was perfect for pushing the tape into place


Slowly cutting along the edge


Hello Mr. Happy Face!


All primed and ready


The silver was done in several little steps. I first sprayed a "tack layer" - this sets up the initial layers of silver paint. After the tack layer dries completely, it was 3 layers of paint and 2 layers of clear for protection


Removing the tape


I then used the black magic marker to really accentuate the edges


Installed in all its glory with a new shifter i "just" got from a local junk yard along with a few other "Pontiac" related goodies


Another (prior to new shifter)


As I mentioned... I went to a local junk yard Friday after work - one of the those last minute ideas. What I didn't know was that this yard specializes in Pontiacs, Buicks, and Olds cars - I was in HEAVEN! The first car I went o, a 200??? Grand Am had something I was looking for. It was a great find!


I think you can see where I'm headed with this idea!


A few other cars netted me a great idea for the center console...


After dismantling the console I retrieved from a 90's Pontiac - I'm not sure what it was - It was funny, the bumpers and door skins were gone. I was lucky to find this. I think it was a Grand Prix but I'm not sure


I cut the Grand Prix console in half to fit the Fiero console



Quite the mess and 2 blisters later


I positioned the parts on the stock Fiero console


What's ahead? Lots of fiberglassing and trying to stick to the original design. I've already prepped a few pieces of glass.


More to come!

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Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #4, 11-09-2009 09:19 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:





It looks really nice. I'm just honestly shocked that you did that to a set of '88 'Dot Matrix' trim pieces. You could have probably sold those in the mall and looked or found normal brushed pieces that you could have worked with and still had pocket change.

Keep up the good work though. Interested to see how this all comes out.


Sofa King MSG #5, 11-09-2009 09:24 AM
      The "Dot Matrix" style plates were pretty banged up. I didn't take any detailed pics - I should have. Normally, I wouldn't have done something like that to a rare, hard to find part, but the radio plate was also cracked in several places which I did manage to fix. The shifter plate had/has several areas that are also broken and cracked. In my opinion, whatever that means, they weren't worth saving - they were just too banged up.

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #6, 11-09-2009 09:46 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:

The "Dot Matrix" style plates were pretty banged up. I didn't take any detailed pics - I should have. Normally, I wouldn't have done something like that to a rare, hard to find part, but the radio plate was also cracked in several places which I did manage to fix. The shifter plate had/has several areas that are also broken and cracked. In my opinion, whatever that means, they weren't worth saving - they were just too banged up.


I am glad you explained that! I'd hate to see 'rare' trim destroyed ... you're work looks really good and innovative.

Can you tell me a little bit about that shift boot?... where'd you get that?

-edit- and what about that lip piece that extends from your radio surround?... where you're sunglasses are?... That looks stock!

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Sofa King MSG #7, 11-09-2009 09:55 AM
      Hi B,

Thanks for the kind words. I really enjoy doing this kind of stuff. I'm hoping for a really nice end product.

The shift boot comes from Rodney Dickman - www.rodneydickman.com - and console tray I bought from www.thefierostore.com

Shift Boot
http://www.rodneydickman.com/retail_new.html

Console tray
http://fierostore.com/Product/Browse.aspx?d=32&p=1


Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #8, 11-09-2009 10:26 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by blakeinspace:
I am glad you explained that! I'd hate to see 'rare' trim destroyed


Yeah. that's a relief


Sofa King MSG #9, 11-09-2009 01:04 PM
      More pics of the center console progress

My concerns right now are the ALDL link (I believe) under the center console and I really want to install a 12 volt aux jack. So, I have a few wiring and structural hurdles. But I'm feeling pretty good about it...





The cupholder had one of the those integrated coin holders. I'm thinking about taking advantage of this spot for the IPhone/iPod connection


In the car


Updates Soon

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Sofa King MSG #10, 11-09-2009 01:17 PM
      Before I did anything I had to reinforce the original center console. It was badly damaged and very weak. This was my first attempt at fiberglassing but I've been building models for years so it wasn't much of a stretch to work with to include the body filler - sanding wasn't a big deal







More to come

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Macs86GT MSG #11, 11-09-2009 01:22 PM
      excellent stuff. I was thinking of updating the fieros interior as well. i like the way its laid out it just needs updating and even though its a bit dated its got a unique look to it that makes it a fiero interior. There is no reason why it can't be restyled and modernized but still keep to its heritage.

Sourmug MSG #12, 11-09-2009 02:45 PM
      Hey, I thought that garage looked familiar!

Looking good so far

Nolan

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #13, 11-09-2009 03:00 PM
      i like it! but i dont see how the new glove box (over the ECU) would work? i would keep the design for when its closed, but have it open the same way as it already does. but thats just me.

qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #14, 11-09-2009 10:46 PM
      I was freaking out when I saw the "Dot Matrix". So may 100,000 of stock silver trim out there and he paints over 88 only Dot Matrix. But if it was banged up then I guess its ok...... (Still crying)

Sofa King MSG #15, 11-10-2009 07:32 AM
      OK... I've hit a stumbling block. Although the center console I pulled from the Grand Prix is functional, I've run into two problems. First, the length is causing me a bit of a headache. The back of the console fits perfect but it nestles into the existing vertical glovebox space. The second and more important, is the depth. There is no room to move downward into the console, I can only work upward.

I sat for about an hour looking at this thing trying to figure out how to incorporate the cup holders and glovebox into the existing console without adding too much height and without interfering with the ALDL. I could relocate the ALDL but that doesn't solve the depth problem that still exists.

If I was to move forward as it is right now, I'm adding approx 2 - 5 1/2 inches of height. I don't think I like that idea... But I'm rendering a graphic image to see how it would look - I'll post when it's finished.

However... I've been looking online and I did find this Toyota 4Runner CUP HOLDER - I really like this dual cup holder idea. The unit is completely self contained, it doesn't take up a lot of space and it's thin enough to work. If I'm smart enough (HA) I can incorporate this idea into the console without adding too much height


Now I have to find a place for the 12volt outlet


This still leaves me with the iPhone/iPod connection - again, I have to deal with the depth of the cord and wires. UGH... very frustrating... But I shall press forward...

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bowrapennocks MSG #16, 11-10-2009 09:06 AM
      Looking great! There is a lot that can be done on the Fiero interiror. I am on my second redesign of modified Bonneville door panels and the first redesign of a custom console, to mate to my 94 Camaro dash. Here are a few sources for things that I found which may be of use to you:

Rvinyl.com offers a wide variety of stretchable and non stretchable vinyl. I bought the carbon fiber look alike, it is pretty tough and easy to apply. I am using it in the center of my console.

Allsport is a stretchable upholstery material that can be glued down over consoles, dashes etc. I spoke with the Director of QA and the stuff will stretch 100% around very complex curves. I bought mine at Rochford supply and have used it on a few cars.

I can't wait to see your finished product.
Jim



Sofa King MSG #17, 11-10-2009 12:47 PM
      Stretchable vinyl? That sounds like good stuff. Anything to make it go easy, right?

I haven't decided whether to recover the console or paint it using this spray paint from Germany

Be warned - it has a funky tune that plays with the demo

http://www.lederoptik.de/


Fiero STS (onesupermech@netscape.net) MSG #18, 11-10-2009 03:46 PM
      Gee I seen your user name and the title of this thread and I had visions of lazyboys inside a Fiero.

Sofa King MSG #19, 11-10-2009 04:08 PM
      HEY! Now there a good build idea

Fiero1K (nate.classic@gmail.com) MSG #20, 11-10-2009 06:02 PM
      Thats sofa king good! But seriously...i want this. Man, this idea is sofa king great.



Sofa King MSG #21, 11-11-2009 05:57 PM
      Hi All,

Here are a few updates from earlier this morning (Wed). After paying tribute to our veterans, I decided to do a little work on the ol girl.

First... please know that this is the first time I've ever worked with fiberglass. I just found out that the fiberglass cloth is MUCH better to work with than the mat. The weave pattern makes it much easier to spread the resin, it conforms to whatever shape you're working with, and doesn't break the glass up into big globs as the mat tends to do. Note - if you're thinking about glassing for the first time... use the cloth. It's a bit more expensive but well worth it.

Ok. Here are the pics

I spent about 45 minutes taping over the entire console - use packing tape - the fiberglass doesn't stick when you remove it


Fitting the fiberglass mat - before I used the cloth


First layer of glass - this would have been much easier with the cloth


I trimed the edges to make it easier to remove from the mold


I created the sides of the arm rest while the glass dried on the console. Total dry time was about 2 hours.


Out of the mold and lightly sanded. Fiberglass is awesome. I was sanding and applying a new layer with 1/2 hour after drying. I did find a few low spots.


Here you can see the stock console in the background. The new console has been sanded down and the new armrest sides are positioned. I only put one layer of glass on the console because I had a feeling it would be tough to pop out of the mold - I was right. I used big tin snips to cut the glass for the armrest sides


Another


Side view showing the armrest curve


Because I only applied one layer I reinforced the sides with more glass. I used the fiberglass cloth on the rest of the console - what a breeze. It's out in the garage drying as I type. I'll use 80 grit sand paper to knock down the high spots. Once the console is strong enough I'll begin to add body filler. I'm still looking at how to create the lid as seen in the very beginning of this post. This image really shows how thin the sides are.


Until tomorrow or tonight...

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katatak MSG #22, 11-11-2009 06:25 PM
      Very nice work! I want to be able to do that myself but not sure I have the skill or paitience to do it. I really like the direction you are going in. Do you have a source on that leather look paint system? Any idea what the "instant" kit costs? That stuff is way trick. You can do a lot of custom things with that. Keep up the great work.

Pat

Edit to add: I was just reading through the thread again and have a question. Could you have left the original console inside your glass work to add strength and aid in mounting?

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Sofa King MSG #23, 11-11-2009 08:10 PM
      Hi P,

Thanks for the compliments. I didn't think could do it either, but the secret... just do it. Just jump in and do it.

To answer your questions. There is no stateside distributor for the paint but I do have contact information if you are interested. They told me they will ship to the states. So good news there!

To answer your other question: Yes, I could have left the original console attached to the new fiberglass because the original vinyl coverings and padding was SO thick. But I didn't want to completely destroy the original console at the same time. Also, I wanted to push myself to see how far I could go with the fiberglass and so far so good. Finally, I just test fitted the console and its perfect - I haven't even bolted it in...

I hope this helps.

Speaking of which... I have some new pics ready...

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Sofa King MSG #24, 11-11-2009 08:34 PM
      Hi All,

Here are some updated pics of the center console...

Here ia a close up of the fiberglass cloth - you can definately see the pattern. The results are a very smooth finish.


Another shot of the cloth


Getting the cut line ready


All the fine cutting finished (for right now) and LOADS of sanding done


The beauty shot


On the car. But the big question is... will it fit? I have to admit... I was really nervous.


It fits, it fits... that's what she said.


Ealier this morning I had a bunch a fiberglass mat, cloth and a couple tubs of resin. Tonight... with a little common sense (the ability to read and follow directions) and lot's of elbow grease I now have a new center console...

If I can do it... you can do it.

This week/end I'm going to finish building the armrest (I have to wait for the cup holder), begin plans / designs for the iPod connection and then jump into creating the white body colored flip up lid (with Pontiac Logo). I'm still up in the air about the lid. What do you guys think?

I was just thinking... I might take a fiberglass mold of the inside part of the "glovebox". This will give me a solid base to work from and I can get the proper depth and size. I may try to use the existing "cubby" that was mounted on the original glovebox lid. I'm still thinking this idea through. The other is to just create a new glovebox the same way as I am the armrest/cupholder piece. I'm going to look online and see if I can find anything or ideas.

Until then...

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katatak MSG #25, 11-12-2009 12:38 AM
      Again....I like what you are doing here. It's modern yet still looks like it belongs in the Fiero. You have inspired me to try my hand at glass work. I have a V8 Coupe project that I need to build an extractor scoop in the hood and right now the interior is stripped and is a "blank" canvas to work with. I really like that paint system. Any info you have would be appreciated. I imagine that it is pretty spendy to have it shipped.

On another note, I was just surfing around Ebay and there is a post for a complete custom interior for a Fiero. Looks like the guy used "speckled" paint - looks kind of like granite. Hard to tell by the pics but it looks textured too. It's different. I was also thinking of using "bed liner" on the trim pieces then paint for color. It would give a different texture to the interior - it may be a little rough though? I bought a can of Rustoleum spray on bed liner in an aerosil can that I will be trying out on a test piece. I have also attempted to do the "paint" carbon fibre thing too. Although it is a first attempt, I was pleased with the outcome and will be playing with it a little more. It works pretty well on flat surfaces but I have yet to figure out how to do a piece with multiple side/curves/angle etc.

These are some custom covers I made for a lo pro head light setup I made for my XTC:


Ac vent covers - you can see I had a hard time getting it to line up square on the corners:


Patiently waiting for more from your build.

Pat


Monkeyman MSG #26, 11-12-2009 01:11 AM
      The power mirror joystick idea was mine from years ago except I used one out of a Ford Escort. If you look in Ogres Cave (link is at the bottom of every page), you'll see my write up on it. Might help you a bit with the wiring.

revin MSG #27, 11-12-2009 10:09 AM
      put your fiberglass mat on a piece of wax paper. it won't stick to it and makes a smooth finish = less sanding

when the wax paper is on there use a roller to roll out the bubbles!

the console looks a little thin<? maybe another round of glass???

looks good so far!


Sofa King MSG #28, 11-13-2009 08:08 AM
     
 
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Again....I like what you are doing here. It's modern yet still looks like it belongs in the Fiero. You have inspired me to try my hand at glass work. I have a V8 Coupe project that I need to build an extractor scoop in the hood and right now the interior is stripped and is a "blank" canvas to work with. I really like that paint system. Any info you have would be appreciated. I imagine that it is pretty spendy to have it shipped.


Hi P,

Thanks for the compliments. It's been really fun getting my hand dirty. I'm like a little kid, I don't want to do anything else but work on the car. I think its great you're going to jump in and give it a shot. I went to the local "Lowes" home improvement and got everything I needed. Hopefully you have a home improvement or auto super store near you.

I love the CF teatment you gave to the vents, it looks really nice. I've never worked with CF, but can you (did you) add a glossy top layer /clear coat? Really sharp! Are there plans for more CF treatments around the interior? I have no doubt you've inspired a lot of folks to do the same thing. That's why I love this forum, everybody bouncing ideas back and forth.

 
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On another note, I was just surfing around Ebay and there is a post for a complete custom interior for a Fiero. Looks like the guy used "speckled" paint - looks kind of like granite. Hard to tell by the pics but it looks textured too. It's different. I was also thinking of using "bed liner" on the trim pieces then paint for color. It would give a different texture to the interior - it may be a little rough though? I bought a can of Rustoleum spray on bed liner in an aerosil can that I will be trying out on a test piece. I have also attempted to do the "paint" carbon fibre thing too. Although it is a first attempt, I was pleased with the outcome and will be playing with it a little more. It works pretty well on flat surfaces but I have yet to figure out how to do a piece with multiple side/curves/angle etc.


I think the paint used on the interior is a textured paint. If I'm not mistaken, it's very similar to what GM was doing to a few of their last generation cars - ie the HHR. I'm no professional but I would stay away from the textured paints and the bed liner paint as well. Unless you have extra pieces you can test on you don't want to spray the interior parts and then come to the decision you don't like it. You could always sand, but that's a LOT of work. I would stick with the paint idea from Lunitec - send me a PM with your personal email and I'll forward all the images they sent including a PDF and contact info. That's the direction I think you should head. But, whatever you do, post images and let us know the who's, what's, when's, where's, why's and especially how's!

I think your work fantastic. Please let me know of any more additions to your car and especially the Lunitec Paint System - I'm very interested.

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Sofa King MSG #29, 11-13-2009 08:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Monkeyman:

The power mirror joystick idea was mine from years ago except I used one out of a Ford Escort. If you look in Ogres Cave (link is at the bottom of every page), you'll see my write up on it. Might help you a bit with the wiring.


Hi M,

Hey, great minds think alike, huh? My inspiration came from sitting in a parking lot waiting for something... I'm not sure what it was exactly, when I happen to look over at a Pontiac Grand Am. I saw the power mirror switch and then the little light turned on in my head. It was a very dim light... but it did turn on. Needless to say I got very excited. I'll have to wait on the power mirrors though. I don't have all the necessary parts yet... like the power mirrors. That'll wait till next year.

I'll definately look at the post to see how everything wired up - thanks for the info.

G


Sofa King MSG #30, 11-13-2009 08:42 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by revin:

put your fiberglass mat on a piece of wax paper. it won't stick to it and makes a smooth finish = less sanding

when the wax paper is on there use a roller to roll out the bubbles!

the console looks a little thin<? maybe another round of glass???

looks good so far!


Hi R,

Thanks for the great info. It never even dawned on me to use wax paper - good call. What a difference between the fiberglass cloth and fiberglass mat. It's worlds aparts. The cloth is great for patch work, but the cloth is just so much better for larger pieces.

You are correct. The console is still a bit thin is most areas. I'm going to lay one more layer down, 2 more in some areas. I hope to have the console bondo'd, sanded and the lid cut before the weekend is over - that's the goal...

Wish me luck.

G


Sofa King MSG #31, 11-13-2009 08:50 AM
      Hi All,

I wasn't able to really do anything on the console yesterday. I had my nephew over to the house and we hung out. We played HALO 3 and he wiped me out. Do you have any idea how humiliating it is to sit and watch a 9 year old beat up on a 40 year old? It was fun and we had a great time. The best part was giving him candy, cookies and soda and then sending him home to my sister-in-law. Muhuhuhahahahaha

However... Before I went to bed, I did manage to put some guide tape and the Pontiac logo on the console to help me a get a better feel for the console.


Another


One more


The hardest part will be to create the "hinge" for the lid. I'm not sure whether to use a mechanical hinge or create something more simple. Does anybody have any ideas?

Also, I'm going to start cutting into the plastic trim piece where the window switches mount to prep for the IPod docking station. Does anybody have any good advice on how to cut the thick plastic? A CNC shop came to mind... any idea?

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revin MSG #32, 11-13-2009 09:00 AM
      how about using the "stock" console hinge?
or go get a "piano" hinge cut it to where you want and tada.
build up the area the hinge will go, so you won't rip it out someday.


do you have any cloth to cover it yet?


johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #33, 11-13-2009 09:13 AM
      Me Likey...how is the carbon fiber paint done?

Sofa King MSG #34, 11-13-2009 09:49 AM
      Right after work today I am going to Lowes to buy tons of fiberglass cloth, resin and hardener. The Mrs won't be happy but I always say...

"Its easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission"

The nice thing... the kids are going away for the entire weekend and the Mrs is out of town until tomorrow night. I have the next 36 hours all to myself.

Like I said, I'm still unsure how the hinge will work. Without being right in front of the console and looking at the hinge I can't really form an opinion. I'll also have to cut the lid to get a better idea on how exactly this is going to work. But I think the piano hinge might be a good idea. But I would like to reuse as many stock pieces as possible

I also need to think very carfully how everything will look under the lid. Not only does the lid have to be functional but it has to fit (not perfectly) over the opening. When I cut the lid off the console, I have to create a whole new substructure that essentially fits under the lid - to include either a locking mechanism or magnet. The structure has to be smooth and look good. I also have to think about structural ridigidy. Once I cut the lid from the rest of the console it essentially becomes a stand alone piece... it's all very confusing...

Suggestions?

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Sofa King MSG #35, 11-13-2009 01:07 PM
      Hi All,

I found the iPod/Phone docking station I'm going to use - if I can get everything connected to the radio


Im going to attempt to mount the docking station under the power window plate. I still need to figure out to properly cut the plastic. Does anybody have any ideas?


That's it for now


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #36, 11-13-2009 07:28 PM
      Dremel tool, with the right blade. They might make a plastic cutting blade, not sure.
But Dremel it, sand the edges, and repaint.


katatak MSG #37, 11-13-2009 09:45 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:


I think the paint used on the interior is a textured paint. If I'm not mistaken, it's very similar to what GM was doing to a few of their last generation cars - ie the HHR. I'm no professional but I would stay away from the textured paints and the bed liner paint as well. Unless you have extra pieces you can test on you don't want to spray the interior parts and then come to the decision you don't like it. You could always sand, but that's a LOT of work. I would stick with the paint idea from Lunitec - send me a PM with your personal email and I'll forward all the images they sent including a PDF and contact info. That's the direction I think you should head. But, whatever you do, post images and let us know the who's, what's, when's, where's, why's and especially how's!

I think your work fantastic. Please let me know of any more additions to your car and especially the Lunitec Paint System - I'm very interested.



King,

I did use a satin clear on top of the paint to give it a little gloss. I was looking at a ZR1 Vette today at the dealership. I did not realize that they had some much carbon fibre on that car. Beautiful stuff. I sent an email to Lunitec and they replied with a cost for one kit. They said that to ship to the US I would have to order 4 sets minimum. I am waiting now for a shipping quote? I really like that system and if it is not to ridiculous to ship, I will be ordering 4 sets. I had some broken trim pieces to experimnet with so I tried a few different things. I tried the spray on bed liner - it was too rough and the texture was not right. I ended up using the flat textured plastic spray paint. I think it turned out good. The pieces I used were old and the origianl grainy texture was nearly non existent. After the paint, it has a nice feel to it and it looks even.


I'll be picking up some glass supplies tomorrow and will be heading into the unknown.

Pat


katatak MSG #38, 11-13-2009 09:58 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by johnyrottin:

Me Likey...how is the carbon fiber paint done?


It's pretty simple. After I prepped the piece, I primed it, sanded smooth and the laid down a coat of silver. You can use what ever color you want for different effects. Once the silver was dry, I took a piece of the non skid shelf liner - the stuff that has the square holes. You can get it at any dollar store for cheap. Lay the shelf liner over the part and give it a quick light coat of black. Let it dry a little so when you lift the shelf liner, it does not smear but not long enough to stick to the piece. You should have a nice checkerboard look. To get it a little closer to the right look, fog the black over the piece diagonaly to the squares. A real light fog will give it a silvery look while a heavier fog will give it a darker charcoal look. I did a few pieces with out the satin clear and it looks good to but I prefer the satin clear to give it some gloss. If you are talented enough, you can use a base coat of silver, then cover with the shelf liner and spary the black - wait a minute then lift the liner. Let it dry. Take a new clean piece of shelf liner and place it over the piece and offset it on an angle so that 1/4 of a black square and 1/4 of a silver square is covered then spray a grey metalic or charcoal. It gives it a deeper 3D look. I have yet to be sucessful with this method. You can see some videos of different processes on youtube - search for carbon fibre paint.

Pat


katatak MSG #39, 11-13-2009 10:09 PM
      Dremel tool works good with a carbide cutter bit. Go slow and steady!

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Sofa King MSG #40, 11-13-2009 11:08 PM
      Pat,

Those painted pieces look great! Can you take some close up pics that show more detail? Also, exactly what brand and color did you use?

I had no idea the carbon fiber look was achieved that way. What a great idea. I understand now what you meant by it being difficult to keep the material in one place while painting. For a first attempt, bravo. Kudo's for your excellent work. I would apply several coats of high gloss clear coat to achieve the final look.

Speaking of work... I just cleaned up. I got home around 5 this afternoon with supplies in hand and started the process of applying the body filler to the console. I applied 2 layers with a light sanding in between to take down the high points. While that dried I created the top panel to the armrest. All the pics are below.

Here is the first layer of bondo - this used the white hardener


Second layer of bondo with the red hardener - the red dye made it easier to know when you've mixed the bondo enough. When applying the bondo, you want to use generous amounts and apply using a standard plastic applicator. Try not to go over the same area twice because the bondo begins to harden - you do NOT want to pull chunks and clumps of bondo across the work area leaving a huge scrape - if that makes sense.


Supplies, Supplies, Supplies


And more supplies... why so many? I have another project in mind that includes the door panels... more on that later


Check out the tools of the trade... these are a must! And where long sleeves. Do you know how much hair I've ripped off my arms because of resin?


In this picture you can see the build up of bondo. Also visible is the new armrest top. Tomorrow I will glass the 3 pieces together in preparation for the Toyota 4Runner dual cup holder I found on ebay. That's gonna be cool - I'm really looking forward to getting that piece mounted and functional


OK. It might not be the most professional looking bondo job but just wait...


Lots of space for the cup holder


Check it out - all sanded. I had to use a mask when sanding. The dust was amazing and everywhere. I used a 40 and 80 grit paper on the little "Black & Decker" sander. It did a great job... especially blowing dust in my face.


These are blue jeans... not silver jeans. I was covered head to toe! Thank god for the detached garage


One more beauty shot with the armrest. Looking more like the original design image at the beginning of the post


There are still a few little holes which I'll fill tomorrow and I need to reinforce the inside with more glass. With the armrest in place, I can now begin to measure for the lid. I will also begin to plan out the "glovebox".

On to the Power Window Switch Plate. I have a Dremel but I'm not confident enough with my ability to get a nice clean cut. My goal is to make this as stock and professional looking as possible. One option is to fiberglass a whole new switch plate. If i mess up, no big deal. The hardest part is getting all the mounting points for the screws lined up and functional.

Just wanted to thank everybody for the words of encouragement. See ya tomorrow

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Sofa King MSG #41, 11-13-2009 11:20 PM
     
 
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I'll be picking up some glass supplies tomorrow and will be heading into the unknown.


Good luck young grasshopper.

Take lots of pics and let us know what you're planning.

G(SK)



Sofa King MSG #42, 11-13-2009 11:23 PM
      Hey Revin,

I took your advice and used both a roller and waxpaper with the fiberglass cloth. What a difference! There's little sanding to do. Thanks for the great info!


Sofa King MSG #43, 11-13-2009 11:31 PM
     
 
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I am on my second redesign of modified Bonneville door panels and the first redesign of a custom console, to mate to my 94 Camaro dash.

Jim



Hi J,

I would love some pics of the interior build when you get a chance



katatak MSG #44, 11-14-2009 12:41 AM
      I used the Rustoleum "Textured Plastic" paint in flat black. I cleaned the pieces with hot soapy water rinsed well then after they were dry, I scuffed them with a red scotch brite pad then I wiped them down with some thinner then applied 2 coats. I'll get some close ups in the daylight.

After looking at that ZR1 today, I think you are right about the glossy clear coat. The pieces on the Vette look like they are an inch deep. I won't be doing any of this on this project but I have some more parts to do for the XTC. I might have to "re do" the ones I have already done. Practice practice practice....... I just hate doing things twice....

Pat


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #45, 11-14-2009 09:20 AM
      A little tip for you while sanding...Use the shop vac in one hand, the sander in the other. Reduces the dust by about 90%.

Looks pretty good, so far. Keep it up.

Bob

edit: or attach it to the dust collector on the sander.

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Sofa King MSG #46, 11-14-2009 01:20 PM
      Hi Bob,

I have the opposite - a leaf blower. Maybe it's time to purchase a new shop vac?


Sofa King MSG #47, 11-14-2009 01:36 PM
      Hi All,

Tip - if you haven't fiberglassed, remember these few tips:

1) Wear gloves and old clothes
2) Be sure to have a clean work area
3) Cut ALL your fiberglass before applying because you only have so long to work the resin before it begins to harden
4) Make sure you have all the necessary tools (since I'm a beginner - old paint brush, foam roller and gloves)
5) Make sure you use packing tape or waxpaper to help remove the fiberglass from the shape / surface
6) apply a thin layer of resin to the entire working surface of the object
7) USE fiberglass cloth
8) gently lay the fiberglass down it the appropriate position using the brush to help guide the glass
9) tap the fiberglass into place and then coat with resin - then use the roller to help spread
10) make sure the fiberglass receives a solid coating

I am sure there are other steps, but since I'm a novice, I hope this helps anybody trying it for the first time.

Here are some updates. I spent the morning reinforcing the inside and then sanding down to prep for the glovebox.

Starting to reinforce the inside one last time


Another shot


You can see how the resin just soaks into the glass


After sanding down the inside I taped the inside to prep for the glovebox


Another


I applied a thin layer of glass and let it sit in the sun to dry - this piece will become the part of the glovebox that is seen when the lid is lifted. I still have a long way to go - lots of cutting and fabricating to do


I have 3 hinges to choose from. One from the original glove box and the other 2 are from the Grand Prix center console I found at the junk yard. Which ever I choose I need to make sure the glass is strong enough to support the flex from opening and closing the lid


I'm off the begin work on the glovebox - enjoy

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Sofa King MSG #48, 11-14-2009 02:12 PM
      I realized after trying to pull the plug from the mold that 1 layer of glass will not be enough to safely pull away without cracking or warping the piece. The mat was a little firmer when I first used it on the console. So I laid 2 more layers and it's sitting in the sun now. I also put an extra layer of resin on the armrest pieces - there were a few white strands of glass showing through. I'm going to have to hold off on the armrest until the cup holder arrives - frustrating.

More layers


Extra resin


I might throw a layer of primer on the console this afternoon


Sofa King MSG #49, 11-14-2009 04:22 PM
      Hi All,

Here's an update. I popped the glovebox mold and I am now beginning to reinforce the inside of the box. Once the glovebox is durable I will begin sanding and filling the structure. I'm still unsure whether to paint or upholster the console. Whatever I decide I will have a shop take care of the final steps. I want it done right.

Peeling it from the mold


Almost there...


Out of the mold and ready to be trimmed


Trimmed and ready to be strengthened and sanded


An almost perfect fit


As you can see from the above image I went ahead and primed the center console. I then painted the "glovebox lid" to help me better visualize what it will look like. The first paint job looked really nice. I even put the logo on the front for maximum effect


This image shows the console in the car. The lid bottom lines up with the seat covers - the horizontal line.


But the lid looked too short so I lowered the paint line. I like this much better. I will use the paint line as a guide to help me cut the lid


So far so good...

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Sofa King MSG #50, 11-14-2009 04:29 PM
      I'm tired

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Sourmug MSG #51, 11-14-2009 04:41 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:

I'm tired



LOL, isn't sanding fun!


Macs86GT MSG #52, 11-14-2009 05:17 PM
      Looking good, but sanding is tiring work good cardio though if done manually

katatak MSG #53, 11-15-2009 01:07 AM
      Man I love progress. I can't believe how close it is to the concept. Pretty impressive! I am till having a little trouble understanding what the "plug" is for. I guess I'll have to wait to see how the puzzle comes together. I feel bad. I did not manage to get anything done on my interior today except for removing the driver sde door panel - whoppee! Nice work!

Pat



revin MSG #54, 11-15-2009 09:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey Revin,

I took your advice and used both a roller and waxpaper with the fiberglass cloth. What a difference! There's little sanding to do. Thanks for the great info!




man I bet that thing is getting heavy!

Just remember to switch hands when sanding or people will think you were hard at work on something else


sunofjustice (sonofjustice@comcast.net) MSG #55, 11-15-2009 10:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by revin:




man I bet that thing is getting heavy!

Just remember to switch hands when sanding or people will think you were hard at work on something else


LOL , text book funnnnnnny!



johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #56, 11-15-2009 01:19 PM
      Just curious...could you fiberglass in some metal to reinforce the hinge area?

Sofa King MSG #57, 11-15-2009 08:07 PM
      Switch hands? I'm not that talented! I'd probably wind up falling down, rendering myself unconscience in some kind of compromising position... wait... what are we talking about?

To answer your question, you can fiberglass almost anything together. Unless I'm mistaken (smebody please correct me if I'm wrong), you pour a little resin on the area you want the piece to lay and let it dry. This is only temporary as you would then lay additional glass on top of the same piece (whether metal, plastic, wood, etc) helping it become more durable . The resin hardens and keeps anything / everything in place. With that said, depending on which hinge I use I'm going to glass the original hinge bolting areas (after cutting them out) to both pieces. Hopefully this add strength but also look good - hopefully. I'll be sure to get detailed images when I get to that point.

Here are some updates. I had to go back and fill some holes in the console. I want it to be absolutely perfect. I'm still unsure whether I am going to cover with material or paint it either with the Lunitec Paint System or the same color as the interior plus the white lid - either way the lid will be high gloss white. I also reinforced the "glove box" fiberglass piece with more glass.

Going over with more body filler


After the resin cured I sanded the top side of the "glovebox" and then covered it with body filler


More filler was added to help with the sanding process. When adding filler, be generous and let it dry for several hours. Again, I used 40 grit paper to take down the high points and the 80 grit to smooth out to a nice a smooth finish. Once I go final, I'll probably use a 150 or 250 grit


I went ahead and gave it a quick primer coat


The frustrating part about filling and sanding is that you always find areas you missed


Another area to redo



 
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I am till having a little trouble understanding what the "plug" is for. I guess I'll have to wait to see how the puzzle comes together.


If you're confused... just imagine how i feel. Let me see if I can explain this - believe it or not, this helps me too... Imagine the lid has already been cut but is now attached and functional. If the lid was opened, there would be nothing there but a view of the cars computer and firewall. I could leave it like that but I would like to have a working "glove box" when the lid is opened. So, I am going to use the piece (glove box plug) I just made and temporarily place it back into where it was originally formed - behind the top of the console. Work with me because this gets confusing... Now, if you lift the lid, there would be a solid piece of fiberglass (glove box plug), where the hole used to be, that matches the same contours of the lid. However, this piece is counter sunk so the lid can still open and close. Make sense? With the "glove box" plug now in place I can sketch out how I want the inside of the glovebox to look. There will be lots more cutting and fabricating to do. But I do have an idea that might save me from doing a lot of work. More on that later. I hope this helps... If not, I owe ya a drink.

I also have to measure the depth of the box as to not interfere with the cars computer. I'm debating whether or not in making an access panel that can be removed if I ever needed to get to the computer.

Thats it for now. I'm getting really excited! I'm hoping the cup holder will be here tomorrow. I really want to begin fabricating the armrest.

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Sofa King MSG #58, 11-15-2009 08:12 PM
     
 
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man I bet that thing is getting heavy!


yup! Good thing I have strong arms from all that "sanding and polishing"



Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #59, 11-15-2009 08:34 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Man I love progress. I can't believe how close it is to the concept. Pretty impressive! I am till having a little trouble understanding what the "plug" is for. I guess I'll have to wait to see how the puzzle comes together. I feel bad. I did not manage to get anything done on my interior today except for removing the driver sde door panel - whoppee! Nice work!

Pat


My guess. The plug will be put in once the lid area is cut out. Then he will have a solid console to work with with a recess for the lid. The face of the plug will most likely be mostly cut away for the glove box portion to be built into. Really I don't think a solid plug was needed. He could have just done one that covered the sides, top and lower portion of where the lid will be cut, but a solid one was probably easier.

Either way the concept looks awesome and I prefer the concept model he is using for the construction. The one where the lid doesn't completely cover the top. It is actually really nest to see it coming together.


Sofa King MSG #60, 11-15-2009 08:58 PM
     
 
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The face of the plug will most likely be mostly cut away for the glove box portion to be built into. Really I don't think a solid plug was needed. He could have just done one that covered the sides, top and lower portion of where the lid will be cut, but a solid one was probably easier.

Either way the concept looks awesome and I prefer the concept model he is using for the construction. The one where the lid doesn't completely cover the top. It is actually really nest to see it coming together.


Hi KHW,

Thanks for the compliments. I'm really happy with the way it's turning out. I've been really patient as I go. Like you, I like the lid that doesn't completely cover the top - there was a two fold reason. One, it just looked better - LOL. And the second, and MOST important, was that if the lid covered the entire top I might not have been able to open the lid without hitting the back of the firewall. So, I redesigned it and moved it forward.

The solid plug idea was, in my opinion, the better way to go. I could have created all the sides and top but that was too much work. Also, getting a plug of that area ensures a near perfect fit and saves the contours when the lid is open - make sense? Once I get the lid cut it should all begin to come together.

Again, thanks for the compliments. Its the compliments that keep me going. And I need cup holders.


katatak MSG #61, 11-15-2009 09:04 PM
      I finally got my feeble mind around what you are doing with the plug. It makes perfect sense to me now. After I read your post and Khw's post, I went back and looked at your first concept pic and the light bulb came on. You need to work harder - I was expceting more progress today! Just kidding. I'm just impatient.

Pat


Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #62, 11-16-2009 03:24 AM
      Well done although i have done a fair bit of fibreglass work now but i am just not neat and tidy like you i make a mess then shape it you have done very well it looks good with quaility work congrats i am sure your proud of it and will enjoy your labor each drive.

Sofa King MSG #63, 11-16-2009 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Australian:

Well done although i have done a fair bit of fibreglass work now but i am just not neat and tidy like you i make a mess then shape it you have done very well it looks good with quaility work congrats i am sure your proud of it and will enjoy your labor each drive.


Thanks for the kind words. My years of building models conditioned me into getting it done right.

I'm going to try to cut the lid tonight...


Sofa King MSG #64, 11-16-2009 06:24 PM
      Hi all

no movement on the console this evening. Too much to do. I hope to have some major progress tomorrow


87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #65, 11-16-2009 06:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hi all

no movement on the console this evening. Too much to do. I hope to have some major progress tomorrow


Can't wait to see the progress, so far excellent job!


MileHighFiero (jdspell55@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 11-16-2009 08:01 PM
      I will be looking forward to this build

maryjane MSG #67, 11-16-2009 08:41 PM
      I see some really clean and interesting lines in these pics. They keep the essence of the original design while improving on the asthetics and function imo. Being on dialup, I haven't seen them all yet (pics) but will try to little by little.

One of the things I have come to almost disdain, are the 2 outside a/c vents next to the doors. Has anyone ever just whacked them off about 80%, leaving enough fabric to fold back under and making the vents more of a flush mount--maybe a 1-2" protrusion instead of sticking so far out where your knees hit them?


katatak MSG #68, 11-16-2009 09:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by maryjane:

I see some really clean and interesting lines in these pics. They keep the essence of the original design while improving on the asthetics and function imo. Being on dialup, I haven't seen them all yet (pics) but will try to little by little.

One of the things I have come to almost disdain, are the 2 outside a/c vents next to the doors. Has anyone ever just whacked them off about 80%, leaving enough fabric to fold back under and making the vents more of a flush mount--maybe a 1-2" protrusion instead of sticking so far out where your knees hit them?


That's an interesting idea. I was looking at that very same thing the other day when I was working on my dash. I was wondering what the dash would look like if it were flush all the way across - cut the vents off flush then do a little glass work to mold it in, texture and paint. Then add some other style AC vents in each corner. It's a good thing I have a spare dash that the vents are beat up on. I'll have to give it a try. Just to see aht it would look like. Great - another project!


Sofa King MSG #69, 11-17-2009 07:29 AM
      You guys are on to something original. My only issue is the driver side would not be getting a a direct blast of cold / hot air from the vents. If you push the vent all the way to the dash, you would wind up hitting the steering wheel and part of the gauge cluster...

Just a thought, but I like where you guys are headed. Are you seriously going to start chopping the dash?


Sofa King MSG #70, 11-17-2009 08:23 AM
      Hi All,

OK. I think you guys are going to hate me... I was drinking a lot last night when I got to throwing up and then I started thinking about the console... Not really, but I was thinking...

I might start over. I've been reading through several posts, to include this post, (the Miura build post is one of my favorites) and I was looking, in detail, how Archie built all his dash pieces and thinking about the advice many of you have given me - which is greatly appreciated. When Archie built the interior pieces to his project they were all single pieces of fiberglass that were glassed together creating a single structure. My method was to glass over the entire console in a single swoop. While this is easier, it leaves room for uneven sides and it's getting bulky. Building the console piece by piece guarantees each side is a near perfect mirror image and is very light.

If I rebuild the console it will consist of 15 basic pieces - not including the glovebox. I have enough supplies to do the job and it wouldn't take but half a day to create all the pieces necessary to rebuild the basic console. It's just a thought. What do you think?

Basic structure rebuild (3D image)


Concept image with cupholder


Like I said, it's just a thought. If I do go ahead with the rebuild, and this is kinda funny... how do I properly attach separate pieces of fiberglass to each other without using too much glass or body filler? Does anybody have any suggestions?

Just had a thought... I was reading through the Miura build when Archie mentioned hot glue. Maybe hot glue could be used to temporarily hold the pieces in place? HMMMM... that might work.

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revin MSG #71, 11-17-2009 12:26 PM
      Use the "old one" as a mold and add a release agent to it and start laying down the glass on it!
Go by a boat store and see if they have larger fiberglass cloth. (OR get some flannel material and then brush on the resin.works teh same and is how they make the speaker boxes look so custom) drape it over the mold and add resin to it. use the wax paper often and not so much bondo. the bondo should be only for the small imperfections. Even then it should be only a thin spread.

Use those pieces yu have and build off of them. Fiberglass will stick to its self, rough it up and add the resin to it (instead of the hot glue)
Just keep ALL air bubbles out of the process!


Sofa King MSG #72, 11-17-2009 01:59 PM
      Hey R,

Good advice... I'm still unsure how to proceed.

The bondo I slap on is to ensure I fill any holes not just in the console but any pits left by the bondo itself. I would say I sand away 90-95% of the bondo. The reason its so heavy is because the number of layers of glass I applied.

The reason I mentioned the hot glue was it is very diffcult glassing together two separate pieces - especially at a 90 degree angle and considering I've never done it before. I'm trying to figure out the easiest way for example (looking at the above image with all the pieces labeled) adhere pieces A, C, I and L. Piece A is one of the console sides and C,I, and L are the console tops. What is the best way to temporarily fix them in place before I glass them? That's why I mentioned the glue gun. Make sense?

Again, thanks for the great advice.

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revin MSG #73, 11-17-2009 02:36 PM
      well you could make a cool little 90* angled piece of resin only.
Put a nice fat "line" of resin down on your wax paper, that is draped over a cardboard box.in a 90* or whatever angle you need, when that dries you have a base for glassing it all together. kinda like a little angled fiberglassbracket.
Then just mix up some more resin and use that for your gluewait till it starts to get gooey, then slap the angled piece on there andlet it all dry.

When you lay the glass down make sure the surface it smooth and NO BUBBLES! if a bubble appears, pop it and add a little bit of resain to fill in that hole, lay wax overthat and pressit out smooth. less sanding on a smooth surface the bondo will be a nice "filler" only after the glass work is done.
have you heard of a "skim coat" that is all the bondo should be and yep sand most off. that is why a skim coat and not a thick pass.

do get me wrong, you are doing a great job! don't give up.
remember it is only sanding and spreading not rocket science

use the wax paper as a palete for making panels and then put the panels together how ever. Wrap wax around a tube for a round tube shape, a square box..same thing.

You can even get some stiff cardboard, make it into the shape you are looking for and glass over the cardboard! cover that with the wax and it will lift off in that shape and make things easier for ya!


crap now I want to go glass something up in my garage! lol


87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #74, 11-17-2009 05:36 PM
      If I rebuild the console it will consist of 15 basic pieces - not including the glovebox. I have enough supplies to do the job and it wouldn't take but half a day to create all the pieces necessary to rebuild the basic console. It's just a thought. What do you think?

Concept image with cupholder


I love this concept. If the final piece is going to weight less and look factory made (meaning one side won't be highter than the other ect) then by all means do that.



katatak MSG #75, 11-17-2009 08:18 PM
      Not sure how you would get all those pieces stuck together and square? Also, do you think it would be strong enough at the joints? I guess you could "build" up the joints underneath for strength.

Instead of making resin angle's, Could you use drywall corner metal? or get some coil stock aluminum and make your own angle's. If you had a small metal break, you could make all the angle's at the correct angles using your original as a template. Then just glass these angles in place? Just thinking here. The coil stock aluminum would be lighter than several layers of glass in the corners and would add strength to the joints. I was looking around in Home Depot getting some ideas and they have the perforated or mesh aluminum grate things for rain gutters. You could use this to make your angles and the mesh would allow the resin to flow all around it - maybe make it even lighter but still be strong?

I have a small metal break and bent up some angles to give you an example but for some reason, Photobucket is FUBAR and I can't get any pictures off of there.

pat


Sofa King MSG #76, 11-17-2009 09:07 PM
      Hey P,

I'm still not sure what to do. It's funny, I was in Lowes the other day looking for the same things - angle braces and brackets, etc. I'm going to try something simple at first. As you know I still have to create the armrest. So before I go off and rebuild the entire console I'm going to use the armrest as the test bed. To make it simple, I'm going to tape the outside edges and then the tops running across the length of the armrest - I'll have to send a pic. I'll then resin the inside. Wait for it dry and then add a thin layer to the inside.

Still no cup holder... Hopefully tomorrow


Sofa King MSG #77, 11-17-2009 09:15 PM
      Hi All,

Well... I'm really friggin frustrated. The edges of the console are driving me nuts! The fiberglass was really pitted on the edges so I've tried putting body filler in these areas 5 times. Everytime I sanded, all the filler came out of the pits. So tonight I tried a couple layers of resin - no glass just resin. It's a little cold out tonight so i won't be able to do anything until tomorrow.

Resin added to the edges


Close up


Here's the ol workspace. It's tough to tell in this pic but there is so much dust!


I've made the decision (95%) not to recreate the console. I'm hoping the resin will solve the pitting problem. If it does then its full speed ahead and I can begin cutting the lid out and getting the "glove box" plug ready for fabrication

Have a great evening!


Sofa King MSG #78, 11-17-2009 09:19 PM
     
 
quote
I love this concept. If the final piece is going to weight less and look factory made (meaning one side won't be highter than the other ect) then by all means do that.


Thanks for the kind words. The "pats" on the back really inspire me. I might try recreating the console just for the heck of it. I definately have some long term plans for the interior but I'm trying really hard to keep it under wraps until the console is finished. Plus I have a few tweaks to do to the final design.


Sofa King MSG #79, 11-17-2009 09:25 PM
     
 
quote
you are doing a great job! don't give up.
remember it is only sanding and spreading not rocket science

crap now I want to go glass something up in my garage! lol


Revin,

Thanks for all the great advice. Not to worry. I'm not giving up on this project. I'm much farther than I thought I ever would be. The toughest parts are still ahead. Cutting the lid will be the most challenging - not hard - just a real challenge. There are 4 cuts that will require a Dremel before I can get a blade in between to make the cuts. Again, not to worry... a steady hand, lot's of sanding and filler will rule the day.

It might not be rocket science, but it's definitely rocket surgery...



katatak MSG #80, 11-18-2009 12:02 AM
      Some questions for you Greg.

I have been looking around for supplies and was wnodering what resin you are using? I was reading some threads that say that the regular resin has a wax in it so that it will "cure" but you have to sand it between layers to remove the wax so the next layer will stick. I guess ther is a resin without the wax and the resin with the wax is what you use on the last layer? Are you using the 2 different resins?

I have my console pieces stripped down and ready to start - I just can't figure out what I need for supplies. I am not looking for a perfect surface when done as I am planning on doing some kind of textured coating (Lunitec) or something else. I may even take it across the border and get it covered in something. Iplan on glassing over and leaving the origianl pieces in the part for mounting and strength. But I have read a lot about making a mold and using relaease agents, gelcoat, etc to get a nice finish on the part. Maybe after I mess up this first one, I will have to give it a try.

I am wondering why the filler would not "stick" in your pin holes. I wonder if it is related to the resin/wax thing. If your resin has wax in it and you are using polyester filler, it may not be "sticking" in the pin holes due to the film of wax? I have read so much about glass work that my eyes are bleeding and it all seems to be running together now. Tomorrow I glass......or fail!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #81, 11-18-2009 08:15 AM
     
 
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what resin you are using? I was reading some threads that say that the regular resin has a wax in it so that it will "cure" but you have to sand it between layers to remove the wax so the next layer will stick. I guess ther is a resin without the wax and the resin with the wax is what you use on the last layer? Are you using the 2 different resins?


Hey P,

I am using 2 different resins. I have to be honest when I say I just grab supplies without reading... I am guilty about that but so far I've been successful so. Here is a pic of the supplies I'm using


Most of the supplies I'm using are the ones I found at the local (Huntsville, AL) Lowes Home Improvement store. When I depleated Lowes' supply I went to WalMart and grabbed whatever they had there. Elmer's and Bondo are fairly reputable so I didn't think there would be any real challenges.

 
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I am wondering why the filler would not "stick" in your pin holes. I wonder if it is related to the resin/wax thing. If your resin has wax in it and you are using polyester filler, it may not be "sticking" in the pin holes due to the film of wax?


When I sanded the console I made sure to sand most of the filler and primer down to the fiberglass (or where I thought it was smooth and level enough) before adding anymore new filler. To be honest, I'm not sure why the filler wasn't catching. I know there were a lot a little pits and air bubbles but it was only those areas where the filler wasn't doing its job. I'm hoping the resin solves the problem. I'm not going to use the Black & Decker sander - this will all be done by hand to ensure it is done right and to avoid any force that might have been used with the auto sander.

 
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I have my console pieces stripped down and ready to start - I just can't figure out what I need for supplies. I am not looking for a perfect surface when done as I am planning on doing some kind of textured coating (Lunitec) or something else. I may even take it across the border and get it covered in something. Iplan on glassing over and leaving the origianl pieces in the part for mounting and strength. But I have read a lot about making a mold and using relaease agents, gelcoat, etc to get a nice finish on the part. Maybe after I mess up this first one, I will have to give it a try.


Revin has been really helpful throughout my build and has been giving me (us) all great advice. The only advice I can give it to tape off the parts you want to glass using the clear smooth packing tape making sure you get the smoothest surface and coverage possible - see below


I don't think you'll need to (should) leave the original piece in the mold - thats my opinion. I would try to save the piece in case you want to create something new or find yourself stuck during the build. There were some real challenges when I taped the console because I was covering areas that weren't otherwise there so I had to pull the tape tight and keep it smooth at the same time. I was fairly successful when I finally pulled the mold - but there lots of sanding and filling. But, if the surface of your console is going to be covered with material then no, you don't have to have it perfect, but the less work the better. I just saw your build post - looking good so far!

As far as supplies... I would get LOTS of crappy brushes, plastic mixing bucket, foam rollers, moving tape, wax paper (for creating flat panels), body filler, spreaders, cloth & mat fiberglass and of course resin and extra hardeners for both the filler & the resin. Mixing is really a learning process. The more you glass and body fill the better you'll get at how much hardener to mix and what the drying time is, etc...

Here's a pic of the basic supplies


If there is anything I can to help, just let me know.

G (SK)

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katatak MSG #82, 11-18-2009 07:37 PM
      Hey Greg,

I made my first attempt at the glass work today. At first I did not think I had the patience to do a good job of it. It's a learning process. I was amazed at how fast it dried. This thread was the push I needed to give it a shot. I read through a few threads last night and watched how to vids for hours prepping myself. Now that I have got a start, I won't quit. Thanks for the insperation. Pluses to you and Revin - he has some good tips.

My plan is to leave the plastic piece in the part. I will just put enough glass over it to make it uniform - cover all the nooks and cranny's so to speak then give it a coat of paint, textured coating, material. leather, etc. Not sure what I will cover it with yet. I have a connection across the border for upholstery work. Just not sure I want it to be covered in fabric or leather of vinyl. I'll have to get the shell finished then set it in the car and see what hits me.

Now get to work. I need to see more of your project - keeps me inspired to work on mine.......

Pat


Sofa King MSG #83, 11-19-2009 07:34 AM
      SUCCESS!!!!!

Hi all,

I only had a little time to sand last night. I worked a 15 hour day but that didn't stop me from getting to what was most important. Family? Nope. Health? Nope. Fiero? Yup!

I spent about 15 minutes hand sanding one of the resined edges that was giving me the pitting problems and it was a total success. I took my time and sanded with even strokes. The results were near perfect. ZERO pits or holes. I still have a few other areas to hit. Baring any misfortune, this weekend "should" result in a near completed console minus hinge, paint, etc...

Check out the smooooothness


It doesn't seem like much, but when one area has been giving you issues its nice to be able to finally move forward


These are the other I need to sand next - hopefully tonight






These final steps will all be done by hand - no more Black & Decker sander to speed through the process - except on the 'glove box" plug. I still need to sand that piece.



Sofa King MSG #84, 11-19-2009 07:43 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Hey Greg,

I made my first attempt at the glass work today. At first I did not think I had the patience to do a good job of it. It's a learning process. I was amazed at how fast it dried. This thread was the push I needed to give it a shot. I read through a few threads last night and watched how to vids for hours prepping myself. Now that I have got a start, I won't quit. Thanks for the insperation. Pluses to you and Revin - he has some good tips.

My plan is to leave the plastic piece in the part. I will just put enough glass over it to make it uniform - cover all the nooks and cranny's so to speak then give it a coat of paint, textured coating, material. leather, etc. Not sure what I will cover it with yet. I have a connection across the border for upholstery work. Just not sure I want it to be covered in fabric or leather of vinyl. I'll have to get the shell finished then set it in the car and see what hits me.

Now get to work. I need to see more of your project - keeps me inspired to work on mine.......

Pat


Hey Pat,

Thank you so much for the kind words. That really means a lot and makes me want to jump out to the garage and start working. I think it's wonderful that we all inspire one another to press forward, dive into the unknown and have those opportunities to stand back and say "hey... I did that...". Whether its a simple sanding job or your first fiberglass project. You did it. And that's the exciting part. Revin has been a big help to me as well. Sometimes the simpliest of advice can change the direction of a project. For me... rollers and wax paper. I also have to thank Nolan and Archie - two of the biggest influences and inspirations for me.

OK... enough gushy stuff... LOL I'm really interested to see how your project is going to turn out. I'm headed to your post now. If you want more inspiration and ideas, go to Archies Miura build thread - especially page 8 forward - a lot of technical info and great pics on the Miura interior build! This should help you decide how to proceed with the interior material.

G (SK)

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87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #85, 11-19-2009 05:09 PM
      can't wait to see more of Sofa King progress I love threads like this.

Would like to see Katatak project too.



Boogaloo MSG #86, 11-19-2009 06:33 PM
      On my projects and car I stay away from the Home Depot fiberglass supplies and use either marine or autobody products, reason is they are of commercial grade and not the DIY type and it is more cost effective,have you ever tried to use a DA to do sanding it comes out way better than sanding by hand.

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katatak MSG #87, 11-19-2009 07:00 PM
      Hey Greg,

Don't you just hate when you have a vision of what you want to do and then in mid stream something makes you change your mind? I am rethinking my plan. I tried to use the "great stuff" to fill in some voids and although it turned out OK and I think it will work, I did not like it so I tore it all out. I was wathing some youtube vids last night and went back through this thread. I am going to make some "panels" to cover/fill the areas in the console that need be. Also I was looking at the A/C suround piece and there needs to be a "lip" coming out from the face - so that trim bezel will fit flush or a little recessed. With out the Vinyl cover, there are just 4 or 5 "fingers" protruding from the face. I thought that I would make a few panels that I could glue to the plastic part that would protrude. I will build a "rounded" lip in these panels to form a nice opening for the trim plate to fit into. It's more work but I think it will be worth the trouble and will make it look better once finished.

I am no artist but I tired to draw some ideas I had today - got more frustrated trying to draw it out so I gave up on the drawing. I had big plans to get something done today but by the time I got off work and ran around getting supplies, it started getting dark. I have the next 3 days to get something done so I hope to make big progress this weekend. Like you say. Not family, not health but all Fiero.....It's a disease.....

Later

Pat


Sofa King MSG #88, 11-20-2009 10:01 AM
      Hey P,

 
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Don't you just hate when you have a vision of what you want to do and then in mid stream something makes you change your mind?


I changed my mind for my console when I was at the junk yard after finding the center armrest/glovebox from the Grand Prix. After hacking the Fiero console up trying to make the Grand Prix idea work, I wound up changing my mind again back to the original design. It's frustrating. I can't imagine how these auto designers do it...

 
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I am going to make some "panels" to cover/fill the areas in the console that need be.


Revin pointed me in the right direction - Lay out some wax paper on a smooth flat surface, lay your pre-measured fiberglass cloth on the waxpaper and then spread the resin - as you already know how. You should get a nice smooth panel to work with to cover up the glovebox hole. Trim the piece a bit larger than the opening, spread some resin on the edges of the console and lay the panel on top. Once that dries, add glass to the back of the panel that meets the console to help further secure it in place. Once everything dries go back to the sander and smooth the edges on the front side of the panel remembering to use higher "grits" of paper to get a smooth finish. If all goes well, you will have sealed that hole perfectly.

 
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Also I was looking at the A/C suround piece and there needs to be a "lip" coming out from the face - so that trim bezel will fit flush or a little recessed. With out the Vinyl cover, there are just 4 or 5 "fingers" protruding from the face. I thought that I would make a few panels that I could glue to the plastic part that would protrude. I will build a "rounded" lip in these panels to form a nice opening for the trim plate to fit into. It's more work but I think it will be worth the trouble and will make it look better once finished.


I did work another long day yesterday... but I have to admit - I am totally confused. Can you take pics to help explain?

 
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I am no artist but I tired to draw some ideas I had today - got more frustrated trying to draw it out so I gave up on the drawing. I had big plans to get something done today but by the time I got off work and ran around getting supplies, it started getting dark. I have the next 3 days to get something done so I hope to make big progress this weekend. Like you say. Not family, not health but all Fiero.....It's a disease.....


Not to worry. Send me your ideas. Maybe I can toss together a quick sketch for you.

I got nothing done last night. I had to work a Career Fair all day yesterday / last night and I'm beat. BUT... when I get home.. oh yeah... full speed ahead!



Sofa King MSG #89, 11-20-2009 10:48 AM
      Hi All,

Check out this pic of the "Firebird" Interior. Notice the cup holder where "our" map pocket is usually located. hmmmmmmm

http://image.carcraft.com/f...rans_am+interior.jpg


katatak MSG #90, 11-20-2009 01:41 PM
      What year Bird is that? The inner door handle looks to be the same as the Fiero. That map pocket/cup holder may be the ticket too.

Here's a pic of something I am think of for my console:

I am thinking of "angling" the radio, ac vent, ac control toward the driver slightly and expanding the passenger side "wall" a little.


But I am not sure it really "fits" with the rest of the stock interior? Probably why I am not a automotive designer. Just wondering if the console built this way would look "out of place"?

I keep going back to my plan of a simple clean, smooth, seemless "stock" console. I just hate the warping vinyl and "padded" look of the original pieces.

Pat


CarverToo (robcarver@wildblue.net) MSG #91, 11-20-2009 01:57 PM
      Pat,

Where will you get that console?


Sofa King MSG #92, 11-20-2009 03:00 PM
      P,

I think it was a 91 Firebird.

I like the idea of twisting the radio and cluster toward the driver. Idea: instead of twisting the radio on the left side verticle axis which pushes the radio and cluster toward the passenger - what if you twisted the radio and cluster from the center of the radio? That way you are widening both sides of the console but only half as much?

Make sense?

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katatak MSG #93, 11-20-2009 05:44 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by CarverToo:

Pat,

Where will you get that console?


PISA Corp sells it - it's the EU console. I like it but it needs some tweaking so I'm thinking of building my own version of it. Google PISA Corp.


katatak MSG #94, 11-20-2009 05:49 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

I think it was a 91 Firebird.

I like the idea of twisting the radio and cluster toward the driver. Idea: instead of twisting the radio on the left side verticle axis which pushes the radio and cluster toward the passenger - what if you twisted the radio and cluster from the center of the radio? That way you are widening both sides of the console but only half as much?

Make sense?



Yes, Makes perfect sense. How come you did not warn me about the Fiberglass dust creating an itch......lol. I learned another fiberglass lesson today. Wear a long sleeve shirt and sit in front of a fan to keep the dust blowing away from you.....

I'll be posting some more progress in my thread later on. I was hating this glass work the other day but you are right - once you get to see some pregress and how easy it is to work with once it's dry, I am having a ball.....Except for the itching. I saw a You tube video that suggests covering your arms with baby powder - keeps the glass from getting in your pores..... I'll try that next.

Pat




Sofa King MSG #95, 11-21-2009 06:23 PM
      Hi All,

MAJOR PROGRESS!!!!! I'm not gonna bore you with any long winded diatribes, check out the pics!!!!!

After sanding I still found lots of holes


When all the sanding was done an air bubble popped up but no biggie - I moved forward and pressed on!


I began the taping process to prep for the lid to be cut. And I sanded down each of the bottom sides so they would line up with one another and I could measure in preparation for the lid


This was it... all the work I had done and accomplished led up to this point - DON'T F%$@ IT UP!!!!


The top has been cut


The tools of the trade and the last couple of inches before the lid was cut from the console. And yes, the "Total Trainer" you see in the background has been collecting dust for some time... not just from this project


And the moment of truth!


YIPEE


Another - hey Pat: note the long sleeves... just kidding, buddy


And another


One more. I had to move the back of the lid forward a bit so there was still strength in the console.


Look at that straight line! ok... I cheated... I did sand it just a bit after it was cut


This is a shot of the "glove box" piece attached without the lid. I did position the lid while the glove box was in place and there is still more sanding to do before the lid and glovebox both fit together.


Side view - still lots of sanding to do. I want the edges to be almost perfect


Enough "happy happy joy joys" - back to sanding and prepping for primer & paint. The black circles show the high marks where the "glove box" is hitting


I think I'm going to lay dark grey or black "felt" on the inside of the lid and on the sides of the glove box - this pic shows the lid with black paint after 30 min of sanding - I hate sanding. I really really hate it


Pic of the lid up with Pontiac Logo. I think a piano style hinge is the way to go. All the hinges I have will not work.


Lid taking a rest


I've been wet sanding in between layers of the laquer paint with 800 grit paper. Check out that shine! I actually enjoy wet sanding. That's fun. The other? Nope.


New console next to her sister aka Before & After


It's supposed to rain tomorrow so I wont really be able to paint. Still no cup holder so I can't move forward on that... I'll work on the edges and go buy some felt liner. Also, I'm not too thrilled with the glovebox. I might just add a back panel and a lower panel. I'll probably use the area for CDs. So now its off to find a good CD holder. I'm still unsure whether to paint the console the Fiero grey color, have it covered in a leather or vinyl material or go with the Lunitec leather like paint system. Decisions decisions. What do you guys think?

That's it for now. I'm really happy with the progress so far!

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Sofa King MSG #96, 11-21-2009 06:49 PM
     
 
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How come you did not warn me about the Fiberglass dust creating an itch......lol. I learned another fiberglass lesson today. Wear a long sleeve shirt and sit in front of a fan to keep the dust blowing away from you...


Oh yeah... LOL ummm Be sure to wear long sleeves and have a fan blowing?

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Sofa King MSG #97, 11-21-2009 07:14 PM
      UGH... I have to stop painting... DANG IT It just dawned on me... I need to create something to lift the lid. I was thinking of cutting an area out from the bottom of the lid and creating a small lip where the fingers catch. What do you guys think?

See what happens when you get excited?

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Sofa King MSG #98, 11-21-2009 08:10 PM
      One more update for the evening...

I wanted to see what the console would look like in the car - check it out


Through the windshield


What do you think about the lid opening this way? It could lay on the armrest... My god... I could have more cup holders than a MiniVan


Without the lid - easy access to the ECM. Maybe a glove box isn't really needed? Now that the lid is removed, I can see there really isn't a whole lot of room back there. I would like to utilize the space. But for what?


OH! I forgot to mention... I went to the local Chevrolet dealership and got a couple of the chrome GM Logos from the parts department. It took me a while to figure out the best spot for them. I came up with this - bad photo, sorry


Lower portion of the front fender


That's it for tonight! Everybody have a great evening & weekend

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katatak MSG #99, 11-21-2009 09:21 PM
      Holly Molly. You got a lot done today! That looks grea. Really coming together. Here's an idea for the glove box. It's more work but maybe worth it. Build a "tray" that clips in the space that will hold well - maps, registration, insurance, etc. Then when tyou need access to the ECM, it just pulls out?

I had big plans today too but did not get any glass work done.....spent the day looking for a long sleeve shirt....Just kidding! I worked this morning and cleaned the shop this afternoon. Maybe tomorrow I can get something done.

The console really is shaping up - Great Job!

Pat


87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #100, 11-22-2009 12:48 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:

One more update for the evening...
What do you think about the lid opening this way? It could lay on the armrest... My god... I could have more cup holders than a MiniVan


That's it for tonight! Everybody have a great evening & weekend



Definitely have it go down like in this photo...awesome job! As far as covering it I think it would look great in the same material the OEM has, just my two cents.


DavePatron MSG #101, 11-22-2009 01:59 AM
      nice work! im interested in redoing my interior



ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 11-22-2009 10:46 AM
     
 
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happy happy joy joys


Someone has been watching to much Demolition Man.



Sofa King MSG #103, 11-22-2009 01:17 PM
     
 
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Someone has been watching to much Demolition Man.


I thought Ren & Stimpy started that catch phrase? If not... shoot me. Shoot me now.


Sofa King MSG #104, 11-22-2009 01:22 PM
      Just a few minor updates.

I cut the hole in the glove box this morning. I took the piece that was cut, flipped it over and turned it around to see if I could utilize the piece instead of making a new one. The depth is really shallow and I'll probably just fabricate the inside with nice flat panels

Cut & mocked up


With lid


These images should give you a better understanding why I created the glove box piece. I'm still bouncing ideas in my head


Another


That's it for now


Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #105, 11-22-2009 01:31 PM
      Just a question/suggestion, and I know that what you posted was a mock-up, so you may already be planning this. At the bottom of the glove box section are you planning to create sort of a pocket to keep things that you put in it from sliding out? It wouldn't have to be big, maybe extended down another inch, or the surface the glove box doors seats against extendd up a inch along the bottom. The way the mock-up looks now, if you placed some papers in there (insurance card, registraion) they would slide out when it was opened. You might already have one there and it's just hard to see in the photos.

As for covering it. I wonder if there is a spray that mimics vynil. I don't think you will have the clearance between the glove box door and frame to stretch vynil or some other covering around it and it still close. I'd check into painted on finishes like that. For example, me celphone has a rubberized coating on it for better grip. Something like that maybe? Something along the lines of bedliner coating but not as thick and in different colors.

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katatak MSG #106, 11-22-2009 10:29 PM
      Looking good Greg. All that hard work is paying off!

Pat


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #107, 11-23-2009 06:45 AM
      looks great!

Sofa King MSG #108, 11-23-2009 08:07 AM
     
 
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... are you planning to create sort of a pocket to keep things that you put in it from sliding out? It wouldn't have to be big, maybe extended down another inch, or the surface the glove box doors seats against extendd up a inch along the bottom. The way the mock-up looks now, if you placed some papers in there (insurance card, registraion) they would slide out when it was opened. You might already have one there and it's just hard to see in the photos.


I'm still toying with the glovebox design. I know that whatever I do I will have to create a pocket to keep things not only from shifting but from also falling out down in the actual console itself. The other idea was to create a tray table of sorts if I had the lid open down toward the front of the car. Lot's of ideas going through my head. Any and all input you guys offer, as always, is appreciated and is taken very seriously.

 
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... As for covering it. I wonder if there is a spray that mimics vynil.


Khw - Check this out!

www.lunitec.de - I stumbled across this product several months ago.

Katatak (aka Pat) and I are considering placing a few orders from Germany. Unfortunately, it's really expensive due to the currency rate but well worth the investment when you see the results. I was at a crafts store the other day and I did find a "crackle spray paint system" from Valspar. I don't think it would work as well as the Lunitec System.

I did however get some felt fabric from the local fabric store. Once everything is finished I'm going to line the inside of the glove box and lid with the felt to hide the fiberglass and give it a finished look.

More pics coming

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Sofa King MSG #109, 11-23-2009 08:12 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Looking good Greg. All that hard work is paying off!

Pat


Hey P,

Thanks so much. This fiberglass project has been so much fun! I kick myself in the butt for not starting earlier. Once the center console is finished I have some major plans for the door panels. I might post a pic of my idea... And yes, it has been work, but tons of fun.

If there is ANYBODY out there who thinks they can't fiberglass - they're wrong. If I can do it - you can do it. The only way you're going to learn is to just jump in. Will it turn out the way you wanted? Who knows? But just do it.


Sofa King MSG #110, 11-23-2009 08:39 AM
      Hi All,

I was just on Katatak's thread when I had an idea... here's what I said:

My idea for the armrest still remains the same but I think I'm going to create the armrest from wood first. I'm going to get a 2" x 8" and maybe a 1" or 1/2" panel and glue them together (the height will depend on the cup holder). I'll then cut the basic shape of the armrest to match the console and then route the edges with a roundover bit . I'll sand down smooth, cover with waxpaper and then take a mold of the armrest.

If I plan this right... I can wrap the piece of wood all the way around creating a "sleeve" where, once the glass dries, I should be able to slide the fiberglass piece off because the shape of the console tapers at one end. This shape "should" give me the edges I want and have the bottom edges curl under the armrest where I can then attach the armrest through the top of the console using bolts and lock nuts.



Does the qualify me as a "Real Man of Genius"?

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Sofa King MSG #111, 11-23-2009 09:21 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by 87GT2M6:


Definitely have it go down like in this photo...awesome job!


Thanks for the kind words. Man... I really want to go work on the console!



Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #112, 11-23-2009 09:43 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:


Khw - Check this out!

www.lunitec.de - I stumbled across this product several months ago.



That's the ticket! I beat they would have something like this in a craft store.


Sofa King MSG #113, 11-23-2009 11:05 AM
     
 
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That's the ticket! I beat they would have something like this in a craft store.


I have searched far and wide and the closest I can find to a spray paint similar to the Lunitec system is the Valspar system. But the crackle is too far apart to achieve the look we're going for. The other option is to just paint the console the interior grey color, seal with laquer and then buff to a high gloss.

Still working the ideas...



revin MSG #114, 11-23-2009 11:48 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hi All,

I was just on Katatak's thread when I had an idea... here's what I said:

My idea for the armrest still remains the same but I think I'm going to create the armrest from wood first. I'm going to get a 2" x 8" and maybe a 1" or 1/2" panel and glue them together (the height will depend on the cup holder). I'll then cut the basic shape of the armrest to match the console and then route the edges with a roundover bit . I'll sand down smooth, cover with waxpaper and then take a mold of the armrest.

If I plan this right... I can wrap the piece of wood all the way around creating a "sleeve" where, once the glass dried, I should be able to slide the fiberglass piece off because the shape of the console tapers at one end. This shape "should" give me the edges I want and have the bottom edges curl under the armrest where I can then attach the armrest through the top of the console using bolts and lock nuts.



Does the qualify me as a "Real Man of Genius"?



that will work!
I got an idea for ya, make that top part a sliding cover. add a matching slot for a "slider" section on the console, then add your cup holder under that. when you need cup holders, just slide that piece forward to access the cup holders.

looking kick a$$ so far


Sofa King MSG #115, 11-23-2009 12:09 PM
     
 
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add a matching slot for a "slider" section on the console, then add your cup holder under that


That's an excellent idea! I already ordered the retractable dual pop cup holders. I'm hoping they will be here today. If I can't make the retractable cup holder idea work, I'm definately looking into that design.

Thanks Revin!



Sofa King MSG #116, 11-23-2009 12:34 PM
      Hi All,

I had some free time and I thought I would show the idea I had for the lid - if I decide to have it lift from the bottom. Same idea if it tilted from the top.

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jscott1 MSG #117, 11-23-2009 01:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


What do you think about the lid opening this way? It could lay on the armrest... My god... I could have more cup holders than a MiniVan





Great thread....

I'm coming into it late, but back on Page one I was asking myself why you didn't hinge the door the other way. Unless you move the ECM you have a very shallow opening, it would hold more if you hinge it down and then jam the stuff in there and close it up.



katatak MSG #118, 11-23-2009 06:07 PM
      You are always thinking Greg! I like your arm rest idea. Imight have to borrow that one - then I won't have to go rummaging around the junkyard. I can just make my own.........Havve you thought about the "gas cylinder" opener thing? Iamsearching the net for them now.

More inspiration......

Pat


katatak MSG #119, 11-23-2009 08:03 PM
      Hey Greg,

Check out this web site. http://www.easylift.com/?gc...i0op4CFSReagod9mcUmQ

Looks like you could get one of these lockable gas springs small enough to work. You could design a hidden acuator arm inside the glove box...maybe on on side then place the "release" button in a hidden spot easy to reach from the driver seat?????? I bet they are spendy though. But high tech!!!!!!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #120, 11-24-2009 08:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


Great thread....

I'm coming into it late, but back on Page one I was asking myself why you didn't hinge the door the other way. Unless you move the ECM you have a very shallow opening, it would hold more if you hinge it down and then jam the stuff in there and close it up.


Thanks for the vote confidence and better late than never. I can always use more ideas. The more I think about the lid the closer I am to deciding the lid should open downward. Not only is it staying true to the original design, but I think it makes more sense than to lift up. Also, I can utilize the backside of the lid for something - not sure what yet... Better yet, the lid will rest atop of the armrest.

However, with that decision I will have to modify the existing lid and console. The lid was cut as if it were to open upward - not down. I will have have to cut away material from the console and adhere to the lid - see attached Which of course means more work.



As always, this is a work in progress and I'm not 100% on the lid. However, if the lid opens upward, I'm going to look into somekind of shock assembly. That would be really cool. Thanks for the great idea, Pat.

Other news... the 12 Volt power outlets arrived last night - so I have that going for me. Still no cup holder.

Attached to the stock face plate


I decided on the VW outlets because they screw into place from the back and they fit perfectly in the stock plate (they were the only ones I could find on EBay). I'm not sure whether I will use the stock plate


This afternoon I'm headed to the local home improvement store to get a few pieces of wood to prep for the armrest. I'm hoping, PLEASE, that I don't have to do anything around the house tonight. We got all our Christmas Decor out of the attic (where I found the glass) and got everything up - except the garland. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... So I'm hoping for a repreive from Decor Duty. Yeah, right...

OH! What do you guys think... should I counter sink the Pontiac logo into the lid or leave it as is just taped to the lid itself?

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Sofa King MSG #121, 11-24-2009 08:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

You are always thinking Greg! I like your arm rest idea. Imight have to borrow that one - then I won't have to go rummaging around the junkyard. I can just make my own.........Havve you thought about the "gas cylinder" opener thing? Iamsearching the net for them now.

More inspiration......

Pat


Pat,

I think I was in the bathroom when that idea came to me. I usually do my best thinking in there. I'm going to route all 3 top edges (sides and front) to get a nice smooth rounded edge all the way around and the bottom edges would stay as is. I think that would stay true to the cars overall design for rounded edges - especially in the dash. You know what I mean - you're tackling that right now. Also, it would be really cool to have the armrest lift up to reveal something, but that might be going overboard.

I did have another idea. Wood is a fantastic base to use for predesign and forming structures. But what about Balsa Wood? Balsa is really light and comes in a variety of sizes and shapes and can be purchased at ANY local craft store. Has anybody created a structure with Balsa and then resined / glassed over the Balsa Wood? I'm wondering what its potential might be.

What do you think?


revin MSG #122, 11-24-2009 09:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

You are always thinking Greg! I like your arm rest idea. Imight have to borrow that one - then I won't have to go rummaging around the junkyard. I can just make my own.........Havve you thought about the "gas cylinder" opener thing? Iamsearching the net for them now.

More inspiration......

Pat


pat,
try using a electric door lock as your acutator. cheap! make a long rod to connect to the item you are trying to move.

yes the wood thing is great way to shape and the balsa, should be fine with glass on it.


Sofa King MSG #123, 11-24-2009 11:32 AM
      All,

No better time than to give you a peak at what I'm planning next. I've been working different designs for the door panel. Again, I want to keep a basic stock look but just update the design to reflect the work I'm doing on the console. I'm using 3 basic elements: Vinyl (leather), carpet and a painted surface. Here are some basic designs. My favorites are #4 and #8. I still have 10+ designs that I'm working on. Let me know your thoughts.



These images have the speaker grills from the C4 Corvette

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katatak MSG #124, 11-24-2009 01:17 PM
      Greg,

Eight or Twelve........My 0.02 worth...... Working on some "texture" ideas today. I'll let you know what I find out.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #125, 11-24-2009 03:05 PM
      OK guys... I really like this design. It's simple and plays along the same design as the Fiero lines. The white is a solid painted panel which would match the exterior of the car. The grey is either vinyl or leather and then the bottom panel utilizes the carpet padding. Both could use the C4 Corvette speaker grill - to keep with the era of the car - but I did include a door reflector from a C5 Corvette. What do you think?

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BlackThunderGT MSG #126, 11-24-2009 09:41 PM
      I like the last one with the speaker

Sofa King MSG #127, 11-24-2009 09:43 PM
      Updates! I had to come back and change a few photos

Hey All,

Here is the latest & greatest. After clamping two pieces of wood together to prep for the armrest, I decided to counter sink the Pontiac logo in the lid. I grabbed my trusty dremmel and a straight edge and away I went...

The first pass


This is really a slow process. I dug out the inner portion first


Then sanded the edges - 80-120 grit paper


Then shot a little primer into the area to get a better view of how it looked - I realized I had to go a lot further down


My two helpers Tucker (lft) and Cisco (rt) "Come on, Dad... hurry up"


More sanding and dremmeling (if that's a word)


One more pass with the dremmel - this pass with the dremmel really helped


So far so good - if you look in the upper left hand corner you can see where I dropped the lid... more sanding and prepping...


Can you see the countersunk-idid-ness?


And the 3 working pieces


The dremmel was great practice for me. I now feel very confident about cutting and prepping the iTouch/iPod connector area between the power window switches. I just need to find the right connector / base that will plug into the stock GM CD radio. I should be hearing back from a few folks about door panels. Once I get close to finalizing the console, the prep work for the door panels will begin.

I also spent time filling a few more holes in the console and doing a little prep to the glove box - nothing photo worthy. Tomorrow I'm going to cut the hole for the 12 volt outlet and hopefully the dang cup holder will be here. At any rate, there will be lots of work done this weekend!

On another note: Valspar makes a new suede like spray paint. The texture is very similar to several of the trim pieces in the car. I didn't find any grey colors but there are 3 tan colors available. It might even make for interesting color change and texture. Just wanted to toss that out there.

Have a great evening!

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #128, 11-24-2009 09:53 PM
      That's cool. Doors 4-8 have lines that go good with the new console.



Sofa King MSG #129, 11-24-2009 10:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

That's cool. Doors 4-8 have lines that go good with the new console.


Thanks Amida. Coming from you, that means a lot! It really does. I am always so impressed by your work and your attention to detail. Please feel free to forward any comments or ideas.

Thanks again!


Sofa King MSG #130, 11-24-2009 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Greg,

Eight or Twelve........My 0.02 worth...... Working on some "texture" ideas today. I'll let you know what I find out.

Pat


P,

Did you get my email about the suede spray paint from Valspar? You know how the can top always features the texture of the paint? The suede might be just what you're looking for. The website is www.valsparspray.com - I didn't have any luck getting there - the site is all messed up. Lowe's carries the Valspar brand and probably any local crafts store. But I didn't see any at the "Depot".

G


Sofa King MSG #131, 11-24-2009 10:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:

I like the last one with the speaker


Hey BTGT,

That's my favorite too. I'm hoping to hear some news on the door panels.


katatak MSG #132, 11-24-2009 11:05 PM
      Greg,

Wow....You been busy! I like the last 2 panels you posted. Put the Speaker on the bottom one and you are there. What can I say about the logo recessed into the lid. I knew you were going to do it. It looks awesome. I have not been in my email yet but I'll check out the valspar - I was thinking of hitting the craft store in the am and wander the isles looking for inspiration. The suede sounds very interesting.

As usual - more outstanding work out of Sofa King's House of Glass!.......

Pat


Sofa King MSG #133, 11-25-2009 09:22 PM
      UPDATES!!!!

I cut the piece of wood for the armrest


Used a 3/8 in roundover router bit on the edges




Resting on the console - there will be a second piece created that fits behind the armrest (see original concept) that will not be covered with material but instead painted black. This image also shows the depth where the Pontiac Logo will rest. I'm not completely sold on the armrest shape yet but the fiberglass glass work will play that out


Making new glass panels - piece of the tabel top glass I found in the attic - shhhhhh don't tell the "Boss"


More Dremmeling of the lid - I bought some primer/filler which fills in all the imperfections - good stuff for this type of work. I'm really happy so far


More pics coming. I'm waiting for Photobucket to update.

Enjoy!



katatak MSG #134, 11-25-2009 11:54 PM
      I see how you are...Just had to have a bigger piece of glass than me huh.....lol! Looking great Greg. You need a laser!

Pat


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #135, 11-26-2009 08:27 AM
      Another tip, FWIW: Get one of those router attachments for the Dremel. Makes countersinking the badge so much easier.

I like all of you ideas so far. Keep up the good work.

Bob


Sofa King MSG #136, 11-27-2009 09:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Another tip, FWIW: Get one of those router attachments for the Dremel. Makes countersinking the badge so much easier.

I like all of you ideas so far. Keep up the good work.

Bob


Hi B,

I have the real low end Dremmel that doesn't accept any of the attachments - just the different "bits"... And you're right, it would have made the job so much easier.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm hoping to have some major progress by the end of the weekend.


Sofa King MSG #137, 11-27-2009 10:07 AM
      EPIC FAILURE AVERTED!!!!!!!!!

First, for those celebrating, Happy Thanksgiving and I hope you guys ate well and spent quality time with friends and family.

Second... I avoided near epic failure. Just as I grabbed the resin to begin mixing in prep for the armrest I realized I measured the armrest length wrong. I got too excited and got WAY ahead of myself. The dimensions and angles were correct but the over all length was too short. I NEVER would have been able to create the shape I wanted using the existing piece - the piece I cut is what the final product should look like. The idea is to wrap the fiberglass over the wood armrest (side to side) and then lay glass over the front (front to back) creating the armrest. Once it dries I can just slide the new fiberglass form off the wood buck.

Luckily, disaster averted. I have to go back to the store to get more wood, but better that than more glass, resin, etc...

There's an issue with Photobucket - don't know why, probably the holiday season. Anywho, I did pop the fiberglass panel off the glass table top and took a couple of pics. HOLY COW! A near perfect piece (minimal airbubbles). Mirror glass like finish!!!! I took pics and I'll post them ASAP. I owe Katatak (Pat) for ALL the credit on that idea. Now if I can only incorporate lasers with non-lethal military trained fiberglass fabricating monkeys...

More to come


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #138, 11-27-2009 02:27 PM
      Did you sandwhich the fiberglass between two glass panels? Makes a perfect finish on two sides.

Bob


Sofa King MSG #139, 11-28-2009 11:25 AM
      I don't have two large mirrors but thats a great idea! It would probably help get all the bubbles out as well.

Minor Updates

I got the two pieces of wood glued together and I made the decision to have the lid lift upward. I know I know... I put the console in the car and mocked up the lid open in the down position - it just took up too much space and kept hitting my arm. After that decision was made I went ahead and fabricated the "lift" for the lid. I created it using 3 pieces of glass and sanded them with their appropriate angles, taped them together from the bottom, and then spread resin to create a bond. After that dried I put a single layer of glass on top. When the glass cured I sanded down the lid, spread resin and placed the lift in place. Once that dries I'll spread body filler and sand.

Lift


On the lid


Its about 28 degrees so I brought a space heater into the detached garage - the lid getting a sun tan



From the bottom


And side


With that said, I did get a hinge for the lid. What I plan to do is fairly simple. I going to mark where the hinge bolts go and then glass the bolts to the console and lid (3 each - I think). This will allow me to continue to work on the lid and console if need be and not worry about the hinge getting on the way. I'll then use either lock washers nuts or simple lock nuts to hold the hinge in place.

I cut the hole for the 12 Volt Outlet. It looks pretty cool!

Measuring for the cut - the hardest thing is cutting into a piece you've been working on as long as I have this piece...


TaDa


Perfect!



From the backside


Here are the pics of the fiberglass when laid out on a piece of glass - I can only imagine how smooth it would be sandwiched between 2 pieces of glass

WOW - I counted maybe 10 air bubbles total


I'm still not sure how to proceed on the glove box. I might just attach the lid and leave the idea alone until I come up with something. Its been frustrating not being to figure out what to do. Another frustration... still no cup holder. Maybe today?

OK, back to work

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katatak MSG #140, 11-28-2009 02:34 PM
      Looking better and better Greg.

I have not had a chance to get back to the junk yard. Maybe this afternoon if I can get doen with my honey do list.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #141, 11-28-2009 06:51 PM
      No worries! Go when you're willing and able.

Small update. I finished working the lift for the lid. I was to able get most of the sanding done. I also jumped back on the original glove box idea. I have something going thru my head but I won't really know what or how it will work until I begin fabrication.

Lift for the lid - after looking at the pic I might extend the lift just a little bit - not sure


Another view


Glove box - I cut more of the edges off. One of the reasons I'm going back to this idea is becuase I like the contoured edges when the lid opens and closes. Once finished and painted a matte black, I think it will really look sharp.


Two pieces together - anybody beginning to tackle little projects like this should invest in a couple cans of Primer / Filler spray paint during the build process. The paint not only primes the area but also fills in any small holes. Once it dries you just lightly sand and respray if you miss a few areas. GOOD STUFF (you can see some of the drips)


Armrest


Tomorrow I will cut the wood for the new armrest and probably resin the bolts into the lid and console. I don't expect any issues or problems to come up at this point. Normally I would be watching the Redskins play ball this Sunday... but I'm tired of watching them looooooozzzzzzz.

CYA

PS - Since I'm photographing everything. Here's a pic of me updating PFF - good stuff

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MileHighFiero (jdspell55@yahoo.com) MSG #142, 11-28-2009 08:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Tomorrow I will cut the wood for the new armrest and probably resin the bolts into the lid and console. I don't expect any issues or problems to come up at this point. Normally I would be watching the Redskins play ball this Sunday... but I'm tired of watching them looooooozzzzzzz.





Hey your Redskins beat my Broncos....

Keep up the good work, it looks great

Jamison


Dflint (dflint24@gmail.com) MSG #143, 11-29-2009 01:28 AM
      Makes Me sad To See them Lose BUtttttttt THEY BEAT THE GIANTS lol WWOOTT

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Sofa King MSG #144, 11-29-2009 11:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MileHighFiero:
Hey your Redskins beat my Broncos....

Keep up the good work, it looks great

Jamison


Hi J,

That was a fluke win. Trust me. When the Skins squeak a win past the Rams, break Detriot's 86 game losing streak and are kind enough to let the Chiefs win... You don't deserve a "W" against a better team. What a sad season...

Thanks for the compliments on the console. I got a lot of work done this morning.

G (SK)


Sofa King MSG #145, 11-29-2009 11:35 AM
      Updates - THE CUP HOLDER ARRIVED!!!!!!

Here it is. Its out of a 95 Toyota 4Runner. I just need to clean it up and get it ready to mount - note the mounting holes. I'm hoping to utilize these brackets to make mounting EASY. I might not be able to use the existing mounting holes - I'll just drill a few new ones - I hope


Basic placement


This is how far it will stick out - the 12 volt outlet doesn't get in the way at all


Front view


The arrival of the cup holder got me PUMPED!!!! I cut the wood, routed the edges and laid the first layer of fiberglass. This was a near nightmare. It was difficult at best. Before doing anything I wrapped the cut piece of wood with wax paper extending beyond the actual size of the armrest. I spread resin on top and sides and then carefully laid the fiberglass mat on the top making sure to be very generous with the resin. I then spread resin on the side. Then.... I flipped the wood piece over and laid the rest of the mat on the bottom. I repeated this process twice making sure that all four sides received a fair amount of resin. Then I laid more wax paper and carefully worked out any air bubbles with a roller. Once the wax paper was in place I set the wood onto the glass - top side down. I'll again repeat this process 2 more times to ensure enough strength not only to accept the cup holder but also the weight of my arm. I had to work fast so I didn't get any pics of the process

Wood cut - the lines you see are guides I used to place a straight edge before cutting


Wrapped in glass


I bought a hinge to connect the lid to the console. I took a drill bit to counter sink the bolts into the fiberglass and then resins them into place

Bolts and lock nuts


Where to drill


Resined in place


Ready to accept the lid!


Onto the lid...

WHOOPS - no biggie - I'll just fill it with boddy filler


Drying


By this afternoon I will have a working lid!

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Sofa King MSG #146, 11-29-2009 03:54 PM
      Update

Well... I do NOT have a working lid. The hinge, in that configuration, did not work. The lid was hitting the console 1/4 of the way up. I tried rolling the edges of both the lid and console but that still didn't do it. So... I thought and thought...

I decided to counter sink the hinge on both the lid and the console. Unless someone can come with another idea, this is the only way it will work. I'm not thrilled about it at all because I really wanted a seamless look. So now, the plan is to paint the hinge and the bolts both gloss white and grey depending on the side the hinge is on. Maybe it will compliment the countersunk Pontiac Logo? If anybody can come up with another idea please let me know!

I also laid another 2 layers of glass to the armrest. One layer of cloth and a second layer of mat. I covered with wax paper to get that smooth finish. I cleaned up the cup holder as well. It was really nasty from spilled drinks. I licked it clean.

Armrest - coming along slowly but surely


Used the Dremmel to counter sink the hinge on both the lid and console


Both sides done


Another shot


This is a slow process... I was hoping to be a little further along. I will need your advice on how the front of the armrest should look where the cupholder slides in and out of.

OK... back to work

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Sofa King MSG #147, 11-29-2009 07:16 PM
      Update

I popped the armrest mold off the wood plug and trimmed the bottom


With this length I can now trim the armrest to fit


Down the inside


I then lined it the underside with more fiberglass mat for strength




I'll sand this down a little once it dries. I'll have to trim much more of the armrest to mount the cup holder. Again, I'll need to come up with a good design for the front part of the armrest


I had to cut a small indent for the 12 Volt plastic cover


Here's the console with the lid resting on top with the new lift and the recessed area for the hinge. Again, if anybody can come up with a better hinge idea please let me know


Sofa King MSG #148, 11-29-2009 07:18 PM
      That's it for tonight... Time to wallow in another Redskins loss

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katatak MSG #149, 11-29-2009 10:49 PM
      Hey Greg,

A quick Idea for the front end of the arm rest. Cut 1 or 2 inches off the wood plug and mount it just inside the front edge of the shell. Hold it in place with a couple of wood screws from the bottom. cover it with wax paper. Then you can glass over the end say 3 of 4 layers of mat then round off the edges. Remove the plug and cut the hole for the cup holder. Just big enough for the cup holder to fit through. Then take your wood end plug and cut a hole in it for the cup holder. Mount the cupholder to the block of wood and then slide it in from behind. Put a couple wood screws back in the bottom to hold it then you can stategically lay in some glass to strengthen it. This way, the mount is hidden and solid and the only part you see in the face of the arm rest is the face of the cup holder.

Another idea for you lid hinge. I was doing some work on the dash of my 47 Chevy truck this morning. I had to remove the glove box door. There are 2 "C" shaped hinges that allow the door to move slightly out/away from the face of the dash as you lower it. It allows for plenty of clearance between the edge of the door and the face of the dash. I know you have already set it the way you have it but you could change it. For the lid, you would not need a very heavy hinge(s).You could get a piece of aluminum flat bar - say 1/8" X 2" and some 1/2" X 1/2" aluminum angle - Lowes or Home Depot carries this stuff. Now I made a quick drawing of what I am thinking. You would have to do some measuring and design work for your application but I think it would work perfect. I still say it needs some kind of little gas cylinder lift. If you design it right, it would be hidden. A stealth hinge!



Pat


Sofa King MSG #150, 11-30-2009 09:38 AM
      I might have found a hinge online that should do the trick. If it works I have a lot of filling to do on both the lid and console, but I'll be back on track.

Check it out:
http://www.monroeengineerin...-butt-hinges-bh6020/

I'm going to continue working the armrest and cup holder design. Also, I'm looking forward to the next stage - the door panels

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #151, 11-30-2009 01:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Here's the console with the lid resting on top with the new lift and the recessed area for the hinge. Again, if anybody can come up with a better hinge idea please let me know




Wow... that's great stuff up until the hinge. I don't know how to help you... but is there a way to adapt a cabinet hinge into your setup?...

We've got 'hidden' hinges on all our cabinets... and from the outside, you cant tell what's keeping the cabinet door on. Now they do eat up some interior real estate, and they cost a lot more than a normal hinge... but I think that would be negligible for your console.

Look at 'European Hinges' here... they are similar to what I've got at home. Good luck.

http://www.hardwaresource.c...CatLevel3.asp?Cat=16



Sofa King MSG #152, 11-30-2009 04:41 PM
     
 
quote
Wow... that's great stuff up until the hinge.


You are absolutely correct! I don't know what I was thinking. The hinge idea I have in place is BAD... real BAD! I should be ashamed of myself for not sticking with the original idea. SHAME ON ME! I can do better than this. Thank you for knocking sense into me...

I did find a hinge that might work I'm waiting to hear back from the manufacturer for a price.

Again... thank you. I'm going to go drink to forget about this latest episode...



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #153, 11-30-2009 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

You are absolutely correct! I don't know what I was thinking.
Again... thank you. I'm going to go drink to forget about this latest episode...


Whoah!... don't beat yourself up too bad amigo!... You're innovativeness and initiative is really inspiring.
Hey... at least you didn't do this...



Hope that makes you laugh! Enjoy your beer. Sounds like a great idea... it's quittin' time.


Sofa King MSG #154, 11-30-2009 06:16 PM
      LMAO!!!!! Thanks. I needed that!

I wasn't beating myself up. Just dissapointed with my decisions


katatak MSG #155, 11-30-2009 10:59 PM
      I think that hinge you found is going in the right direction. You'll find the right combo. That's what's so great about building your own. You can make any change you want. Now is not the time to be discouraged - forge on! I want to see what you do with the door panels.

Pat


Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #156, 11-30-2009 11:39 PM
      Something to consider as the hinge goes. You might look into this kitchen cabinet type hinge.



The ones on our cabinets here are very similar and they work really good. You can't see them at all when the cabinets are closed. The only problem I can see with using them would be coming up with something sturdy enough to screw them to.


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #157, 12-01-2009 06:39 AM
      Looking good!

Sofa King MSG #158, 12-01-2009 08:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Khw:

Something to consider as the hinge goes. You might look into this kitchen cabinet type hinge.



The ones on our cabinets here are very similar and they work really good. You can't see them at all when the cabinets are closed. The only problem I can see with using them would be coming up with something sturdy enough to screw them to.


Hey Khw,

The hinge you have posted is actually in its full extended position. I was at the local home improvement store looking at that exact hinge. If the lid only went up 90 degrees that would work, but the idea is lift the lid as high as it would go. Also, the force exerted by that hinge would probably put too much stress on the fiberglass and ultimately break or fracture both pieces. I do appreciate the effort in looking. I think I found the hinge I need.

This hinge not only lifts but also pushes the lid away from the console before lifting. I think this is going to do the trick.


It was really cold last night so no forward progress.

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Sofa King MSG #159, 12-01-2009 09:24 AM
      GOOD NEWS!

I just ordered the hinges (4) and they should be here in 3-5 days.


Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #160, 12-01-2009 09:27 AM
      That looks like it will work!

Sofa King MSG #161, 12-01-2009 09:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I think that hinge you found is going in the right direction. You'll find the right combo. That's what's so great about building your own. You can make any change you want. Now is not the time to be discouraged - forge on! I want to see what you do with the door panels.

Pat


Thanks... I'm moving forward... I just got frustrated. Sometimes it takes a swift kick in the head and somebody saying "...hey stupid, stick to the plan..."


Sofa King MSG #162, 12-01-2009 09:43 AM
      With the hinges ordered I will fill the "Dremmeled" areas of the console and lid and then sand smooth to include the areas I drilled for the bolts for the first hinge. The new hinges do not have any holes cut so I will have to tap those and start the whole process over again. But at least we're moving forward...

I'm still working ideas for the cup holder. I realized after receiving the part that I have to "pull" the cup holder open. I'm debating whether to find a "push button" cup holder. I don't want to put any undo stress on the console or the fiberglass. Also, it would be cool just to have the cup holder pop out.

That's it for now. Back to "real" work


Sofa King MSG #163, 12-02-2009 08:05 AM
      Not much to report. I slopped a bunch of filler on all 4 pieces last night (lid, console, armrest and glovebox). This afternoon I will sand them all smooth, shoot with primer and then start working the fabrication part of armrest and cup holder.

Sitting in the sun


UPDATE iPhone / iPod Connector. OK... I've been talking to the guys at www.replacementradios.com. They sell every make and model of OEM radios - it's awesome! They also list any and all stock AC Delco radios that will fit in our cars:

http://replacementradios.co....php?cPath=21_42_204

The radio I have (U1CPA) does not have any aux connectors. So, if I want to have XM Satellite and / or iPod capability I will have to go with the Monsoon radio (UP3McdcPA) which of course is the most expensive. Here's the good part. The cost is 230.00 - that's not a bad deal considering what your local Pontiac or GM parts dept would charge.

With Christmas coming up and gifts to buy I'll have to hold out buying the radio. I cannot possibly justify any new big purchases like the radio and connectors to the "boss" - I like my life.

More to come


Sofa King MSG #164, 12-02-2009 09:48 AM
      Another Idea:

My orignial idea for the iPod was to create a "Docking Station" between the two power window switches. I was thinking... What if I created a docking station on the armrest where the iPod or iPhone slid in at a slight downward angle / horizontal to the armrest? Very similar to Fie Ro's idea? See below:

I used your pic - hope you don't mind? : )


Sofa King MSG #165, 12-02-2009 10:48 AM
      Something happened to this post - some kind of error - sorry

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Sofa King MSG #166, 12-02-2009 10:54 AM
      I created a quick image of the iPhone docked into the armrest.

Here is my interpretation of Fie Ro's original design. What do you think? (Probably not to scale)


Sofa King MSG #167, 12-02-2009 07:53 PM
      Updates:

I sanded the body filler down on all 4 pieces and shot a few layers of primer. Found a few holes here and there but nothing major. I worked on the armrest a little - not much and I did clip some of the metal brackets off the cup holder to prep for a permanent home in the armrest. I even managed to get a shot of color on the lid.

I might scratch the armrest mounted iPhone idea. Since the cupholder will be taking up a lot space I will either have to push the iPhone back toward the lid or build a docking station on top of the console. I really don't want to add more height.

Finally, I took the Dremmel and ground down the area behind the lid lift.

The armrest after sanding


With a shot of primer


Everything put together - inlcuding the logo and 12 Volt Outlet


Another


No more hinge on top! BAD HINGE!


Showing the recessed logo - I'm really happy with the way that turned out


In all, a "so-so" productive night. I was hoping to get a little further on the armrest but the primer took a little longer to dry on this piece - weird. The hinges should be here by Friday - I'm hoping. It is nice to see the console back to a near finished product. When the hinges do arrive it's back to drilling the recessed holes then a little resin to keep them in place. With that new hinge I will have cut a hole in the glove box so the lid can open and close. Still no real ideas for the glove box yet but I'm still tossing ideas around.

Quick Edit - IDEA: To help me better visualize a final product during the build, I'm going to buy white and black primer - The lid is white and the armrest is black and everything else is grey... makes perfect sense to me!

More pics soon

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Sofa King MSG #168, 12-02-2009 08:52 PM
      Couple more pics as promised

Close up of the Dremmel as I removed the area under the lift


All done - although I might remove a little more


The sometimes forgotten backside - the console looks uneven but it's not. It was resting on dried filler and the board its resting on is warped - thus the tilt


Cup holder bracket trimmed


I used this piece of fiberglass scrap to measure the curve of the console. This curve will be traced onto the armrest piece for a snug fit against the console


I'm considering removing more material under the lift part of the lid - it would look something like this. That part would be black because of the glovebox - what do you think?


More to come

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katatak MSG #169, 12-02-2009 09:18 PM
      Looking better each day Greg. I think you should put the Ipod between the window switches - easy access and you won't be resting your arm on it. Th eglove box looks better - hidden hinge is the way to go there.

I am still cleaning glss dust out of my hair and ears - did a lot of grinding, trimming and sanding today. I hate that part! Back to work!

Pat


katatak MSG #170, 12-02-2009 09:22 PM
      I learned a new trick today! Once I get all the layers down and the wax paper rolled out, I take a piece of hardwood veneered lywood and place it on top of the wax paper then apply a few spring clamps. Let it cure fore 15 or 20 minutes then remove the plywood and the wax paper - leaves the glass nearly as smootha nd flat as the glass and there are no air bubbles. It work good for small areas, Larger areas would be tougher to get the clamps on but I am going to try using something with wieght on top of the plywood.




Sofa King MSG #171, 12-03-2009 08:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I learned a new trick today! Once I get all the layers down and the wax paper rolled out, I take a piece of hardwood veneered lywood and place it on top of the wax paper then apply a few spring clamps. Let it cure fore 15 or 20 minutes then remove the plywood and the wax paper - leaves the glass nearly as smootha nd flat as the glass and there are no air bubbles. It work good for small areas, Larger areas would be tougher to get the clamps on but I am going to try using something with wieght on top of the plywood.



P,

Another great idea. The local home improvement stores sell those ready made shelves - that would work perfectly. But that's a great idea. Weight could be evenly distributed with paint cans? I usually leave the wax paper on the entire "curing" time. I don't want to run the risk of any dust or other foreign material sticking.

I was on your thread - console is looking good!


Sofa King MSG #172, 12-03-2009 08:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Looking better each day Greg. I think you should put the Ipod between the window switches - easy access and you won't be resting your arm on it. Th eglove box looks better - hidden hinge is the way to go there.

I am still cleaning glss dust out of my hair and ears - did a lot of grinding, trimming and sanding today. I hate that part! Back to work!

Pat


Hey P,

Thanks much! Its so cool watching things progress. I just wish it was a little faster. I think you're right. The iPod docker will look best and be more functional between the window switches. Did you read... I have to get a new radio. UGH... BUT, I swear... if that hinge doesn't work... LOL!

I was using the Dremel last night grinding down material under the "lift"... Like you, I had a lovely white tint about me... I stood in front of the fan and it looked like i was running at 200 miles per hour! The sanding is the worst part of all. I don't mind the exercise... its the dust. It's amazing. Anybody out there reading these posts and getting ready to tackle this type of work - invest (cough) in a few dozen (cough) masks...


katatak MSG #173, 12-03-2009 09:57 PM
      It's 7:55pm here in El Paso and no update yet.....Greg, you slacking off or what? I'm stuck working till 9pm so I will get absolutely zippo done today. I feel jittery and sick and light headed. I need my glass fix...I think I'm addicted to fiberglass work. Or is it the resin?

Pat


PaulJK MSG #174, 12-04-2009 01:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

I created a quick image of the iPhone docked into the armrest.

... What do you think?



I think it looks balanced with the phone face up in the center of the arm rest, BUT i think it will quickly become a PIA when you're driving and have the urge to rest your arm and lay it on the face of the phone. Personally i'd do something like this; it's out of the way and maybe even within finger-reach while you're resting your arm

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Sofa King MSG #175, 12-04-2009 07:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

It's 7:55pm here in El Paso and no update yet.....Greg, you slacking off or what? I'm stuck working till 9pm so I will get absolutely zippo done today. I feel jittery and sick and light headed. I need my glass fix...I think I'm addicted to fiberglass work. Or is it the resin?

Pat


LOL! I think it's a combination of both... There was a time when I thought I was getting too much fiber. Not you, you fiber junkie! You're not sitting in the corner of the bathroom rocking back and forth are you? If so... hey... pics? That's part of the build process.

UPDATE:
Check it out! Guess what arrived?


SWEET! I know what I'll be doing this weekend. I swear to god... this hinge better work! LOL


Sofa King MSG #176, 12-04-2009 07:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:


I think it looks balanced with the phone face up in the center of the arm rest, BUT i think it will quickly become a PIA when you're driving and have the urge to rest your arm and lay it on the face of the phone. Personally i'd do something like this; it's out of the way and maybe even within finger-reach while you're resting your arm





Hey Paul,

hmmmm... that might work. I'll have to look at how the wiring will be affected. The goal is to have a seamless look with no wires sticking out. Also, the cup holder will be mounted in that same area. So if I mount anything atop the cupholder I have to make sure any and all wiring will clear the cup holder but also keep within the armrest. It's a good idea. I'll definately take some pics and do a few graphic mock ups.

On a different note, I did get the white and black primer. Not a huge update but it will help better visualize the finished product.

I do appreciate the ideas - keep them coming!


Sofa King MSG #177, 12-04-2009 05:19 PM
      OK... Now I'm PI$$ED...

The hinge did NOT work. The edges of both the lid and the console are still hitting each other. I really thought this was going to solve the problem. I have NO IDEA what to do at this point. I might call the hinge manufacturer and describe my situation and see if he can help me. EDIT - Just a had a thought - maybe I'm attaching the hinge too close to the edge on the console side? OK all you math and physics guru's - help me out here!!!!

I'm really frustrated. Anywho... I did begin trimming the armrest and shot a quick layer of black primer. I couldn't get too involved. I have a "function" to attend this evening. "Function" is code for "...do I really have to go?"

Here are a few pics:

Hinge mocked up under the console


From the top - as you can see the hinge is resting right on the edge - maybe if I move it in?


Armrest trimmed (slightly) and primered


More tomorrow - UGH


87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #178, 12-04-2009 06:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

OK... Now I'm PI$$ED...

The hinge did NOT work. The edges of both the lid and the console are still hitting each other. I really thought this was going to solve the problem. I have NO IDEA what to do at this point. I might call the hinge manufacturer and describe my situation and see if he can help me. EDIT - Just a had a thought - maybe I'm attaching the hinge too close to the edge on the console side? OK all you math and physics guru's - help me out here!!!!

Here's my Idea:

Add two little boxes shown in red (wood, fiber glass) make it out off whatever I guess and then drill the appropriate holes etc to be able to add the invisible hinge. Here is the website with an animation so you can see what I mean http://www.soss.com/ and below is my rendering of how it might look.






katatak MSG #179, 12-04-2009 11:05 PM
      Cool Greg, Made it to the construction zone! Keep playing with that hinge.

Pat


fierop (payne0133@sbcglobal.net) MSG #180, 12-05-2009 12:45 AM
      Hi, Sofa king I don't post on here much since I don't have my fiero any more , but I have been reading your thread very nice . I know you already tried the concealed hinge, but because it is a concealed hinge why couldn't you brace up the back of the interior of the glove box mount the concealed hinge there and build up the inside of the lid where the hinges will mount, the back of the glove box will take most of the strength still would put pressure on the lid unless it's strong maybe fiber glass a piece of wood there, that's probably a stupid idea just trying to help.
reflecting on your name I actually used an antique sofa padding for the fire wall on my fiero I would post it but I really don't want to get laughed at
OK I give here it is http://i618.photobucket.com...ne_03/Picture033.jpg don't laugh to hard


fieroguru MSG #181, 12-05-2009 02:47 PM
      Love where you are going with this console upgrade.

About the hinge not working, I suspect the flat part that is taped to the console needs flipped so it is inside the "?" shaped piece and pivots within the arc of the "?" shaped piece. This puts the pivot point about 1/2" under the back side of the console and allows the "?" shaped side to attach to the lid and flip up about 90 degrees.

If they still hit, you may need to increase the gap or angle the transition for motion of travel.

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Sofa King MSG #182, 12-05-2009 05:49 PM
      UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And YES the hinge works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But first...

The first thing I did was mock the hinge up a little further and it worked. So I began the process of counter sinking the screws


This didn't work! The screws were coming undone under the resin. UGH... I was so close! So I thought... ok, what could I mount that would not only keep the bolt from twisting but also add strength? So I went the local home improvement and found these tap screws


But first... I worked on the armrest. I cut a piece of scrap fiberglass to shape and resined in place.


Another


One more


I then sanded it down and shot a layer of primer - the next cut is the hole for the cupholder


I created another fiberglass panel. The glass table makes all the difference in the world! During the curing process I took a razor blade and cut the "flash" off leaving perfect hard edges


Mirror finish!


OK, back to the hinge. I bought 4 tap screws and decided to counter sink them into the lid and console using the Dremel. I first drilled a hole, pressed the tap screw in place to mark where the pointy taps will be and then drilled those holes as well - Hi Tucker!!!


Counter sunk


I then screwed the hinge all the way in place and then cut off the ends of the bolts. I'm going to use a split washer to keep the bolts from moving - this will also keep the bolts coming up through the tap screw once I put body filler over top.

Prepping to cut the bolt ends off


I put tape there to protect the console during cutting


Counter sunk


Another


On to the lid


I then bolted everything in place - a dry run... IT WORKED!!!!




There was a little scrapping between the lid and console but I'll take care of that with the sanding. We're getting really close!!!! I'm going to mock it up the car and then compare to the concept image!

LOTS MORE ON THE WAY!

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Sofa King MSG #183, 12-05-2009 06:30 PM
      Here are a few more pics from today's adventure.

IT WAS COLD!!!!


Here is the console mocked up with the armrest and cup holder - I have to admit I did "kinda" mess up the back of the armrest. I'm fabricating a rectangular piece similar to the original concept image that will fit over top of the armrest - so it's not a complete "mess up".


From the side


From the back (before I removed the bolts) - not a very exciting shot


More shots of the armrest during fabrication







With resin waiting to dry


More soon

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Sourmug MSG #184, 12-05-2009 06:32 PM
      Nice work it's coming along great!

Sofa King MSG #185, 12-05-2009 06:38 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by fieroguru:

Love where you are going with this console upgrade.

About the hinge not working, I suspect the flat part that is taped to the console needs flipped so it is inside the "?" shaped piece and pivots within the arc of the "?" shaped piece. This puts the pivot point about 1/2" under the back side of the console and allows the "?" shaped side to attach to the lid and flip up about 90 degrees.

If they still hit, you may need to increase the gap or angle the transition for motion of travel.



Hi fieroguru,

Thanks for the compliments! The hinge works! I really appreciate your input. I have to admit, I was getting really frustrated. I've received a lot of help and I appreciate everybody's advice and guidance!

Thanks again!

Time to move forward!

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Sofa King MSG #186, 12-05-2009 06:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierop:

Hi, Sofa king I don't post on here much since I don't have my fiero any more , but I have been reading your thread very nice . I know you already tried the concealed hinge, but because it is a concealed hinge why couldn't you brace up the back of the interior of the glove box mount the concealed hinge there and build up the inside of the lid where the hinges will mount, the back of the glove box will take most of the strength still would put pressure on the lid unless it's strong maybe fiber glass a piece of wood there, that's probably a stupid idea just trying to help.
reflecting on your name I actually used an antique sofa padding for the fire wall on my fiero I would post it but I really don't want to get laughed at
OK I give here it is http://i618.photobucket.com...ne_03/Picture033.jpg don't laugh to hard


Hi fierop,

There's no such thing as a stupid idea. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to help. I really don't know what I would have done had my feeble mind not finally wrapped around the problem and I was able to figure it out. Speaking of glove box, I'm going to have remove material from the top / front part of the glove box in order to make the hinge fit. Once I make that cut I'm going to permanently bond the glove box to the console - point of no return. This will then force me to focus on how the glove box will look and function.

I saw the pic of your interior. I actually liked how it looked. While it might not be everybody's taste, I respect the desire you have to customize your ride - that's what it's all about. I've received several flames from folks asking why I painted the dot matrix trim plates? We don't customize our cars for other people - we do it for ourselves. And that's the fun part.

Again, I really appreciate your input. Feel free to forward anymore ideas.

G(SK)

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Sofa King MSG #187, 12-05-2009 06:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sourmug:

Nice work it's coming along great!


Thanks! I owe a lot of this build to you! Your build put the fire where it needed to be to get me started!


Sofa King MSG #188, 12-05-2009 06:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Cool Greg, Made it to the construction zone! Keep playing with that hinge.

Pat


I made it! I'm a made man. Things are going to start happening to me now...

I played, I conquered and now I'm happy.


Sofa King MSG #189, 12-05-2009 06:59 PM
      I was looking over some of the pics I took and while I'm thrilled with the hinge finally working, I'm not too thrilled with the overall appearance of the lid and console. I'm going to have add some filler to certain areas and build up areas where I've sanded too much or too little. I really want this to look as professional as possible.

See in the red circles


katatak MSG #190, 12-05-2009 07:22 PM
      Good progress made today Greg. It's getting closer and closer. A few tweaks here and there and you will have it. Excelent work! Now quit goofing around and get it done.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #191, 12-05-2009 07:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Good progress made today Greg. It's getting closer and closer. A few tweaks here and there and you will have it. Excelent work! Now quit goofing around and get it done.

Pat


LMAO!


FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #192, 12-05-2009 08:12 PM
      Hope my tips on the hinges helped, glad to see the hinge is working. everything looks awsome!

Lol I sent u a pm cause when I opened the thread it was in general chat, but by time I read all 5 pages and tried to reply it had been moved to the construction zone and I wasn't smart enough to open the thread in the construction zone (Congats of that by the way.. It's well desrved man, one heck of a build thread u have here!) and reply from there lol.

Keep up the good work man, I can't wait to see it finished.

My only issue with the cup holder is when you have something pluged into av outlet it will get in the way of the cup holder..



Sofa King MSG #193, 12-05-2009 08:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FallenShadow 2m4:

Hope my tips on the hinges helped, glad to see the hinge is working. everything looks awsome!

Lol I sent u a pm cause when I opened the thread it was in general chat, but by time I read all 5 pages and tried to reply it had been moved to the construction zone and I wasn't smart enough to open the thread in the construction zone (Congats of that by the way.. It's well desrved man, one heck of a build thread u have here!) and reply from there lol.

Keep up the good work man, I can't wait to see it finished.

My only issue with the cup holder is when you have something pluged into av outlet it will get in the way of the cup holder..


Hey FallenShadow 2m4,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. This drama with the hinge has been interesting to say the least. Now that the hinge works it's all down hill from here. I want to get back out there and work.

I have to admit... I didn't think about something being plugged into the outlet - good catch! I haven't comitted to the cup holder yet - theres always room for a redesign. But that was a good... no... great catch! I'll have to look at this one.

Again, thanks for the compliments.


Sofa King MSG #194, 12-05-2009 09:01 PM
      OK... I couldn't wait... Here is the console in the 88 Formula. Check it out!

Without the armrest - notice I removed material from under the lift making it easier to put my fingers (more pics on that soon)


Lid open - isn't that a pretty site?


With armrest - I'll be working on finalizing the cup holder and the rest of the armrest tomorrow morning / afternoon


Before you ask... why didn't I use two hinges? When I cut the lid from the console what I didn't realize until just a few days ago is that the console is sagging in several areas - the top is one area. Had I used two hinges, in my opinion, I would have been creating too much stress on the fiberglass and body filler and would have caused the console to flex - whether for the good or the bad... I didn't want to take the chance at having nothing lining up. So that's why I only used one hinge. Also, this is my first attempt at fiberglassing. Each day I learn something new. Maybe I'll create a second console now that I now what I'm doing and what to expect. What do you think?

That's IT! No more tonight. I'm pooped.

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87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #195, 12-05-2009 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

What do you think?

That's IT! No more tonight. I'm pooped.



I think you're doing a great job...and I can't wait to see it 100% done.

After that post how much it would be if someone would like to buy one from you....Put me on the list of people interested if you go that route.



katatak MSG #196, 12-05-2009 11:52 PM
      I can't believe you gave up for the night! Now all you need is a fancy gas cylinder and some kind of latch system and..... I'm just kidding you. It looks great Greg. Will the lid flip all the way up and rest back on the top? The single hinge looks pretty sturdy. I don't see why you would need 2 myself. Keep after it.

On a side note,

I got some primer on mine today! I thought it was looking pretty good till I got the primer on it. I have a lot more finish work to do. Plus the primer fubar's on me. I got a lot of "fish eyes". I think it was just cheap primer. What did I do wrong? I'll figure it out tomorrow. If you are going to quit for the night, so am I. Later.

Pat

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Sofa King MSG #197, 12-06-2009 01:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I can't believe you gave up for the night! Now all you need is a fancy gas cylinder and some kind of latch system and..... I'm just kidding you. It looks great Greg. Will the lid flip all the way up and rest back on the top? The single hinge looks pretty sturdy. I don't see why you would need 2 myself. Keep after it.


Hey P,

Yea... I was tired. With all the little "honey do's" along with working on the console, I was wiped out. I was online this morning looking for a gas strut or something that would keep the lid up - but I might need two of them to transfer the pressure when closing. Still working it

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I got some primer on mine today! I thought it was looking pretty good till I got the primer on it. I have a lot more finish work to do. Plus the primer fubar's on me. I got a lot of "fish eyes". I think it was just cheap primer. What did I do wrong?


Most of the time when paint or primer fish eyes is because there are oils (whether body related or foreign) present and sticking to whatever you're going to paint. I would use some thinner or mineral spirits to clean the surface before the next layer. Also, spray a quick / thin tac layer before spraying a full coat. The tac layer "kinda" hides the oils and preps the surface to accept more paint - make sense? The primer you were using was fine - I wouldn't worry about that.

I've been side tracked today. The "honey do " list just turned into a "holy cr@p"... I've been tasked to sand down and old wood trunk. Dang it! I've got the paint remover on there now - I spent an hour sanding with little luck... I'm hoping the paint remover will speed up the process. UGH

I'm going to check out your thread and see if you posted pics.

Back to work...


Sofa King MSG #198, 12-06-2009 01:26 PM
      Hi All,

After looking at this pic - see below - I'm beginning to think that building a "glove box" might prove unnecessary. There is really no room to do anything except create a little cubby - similar to the original glove box. It would be cool to finish off the area and would give it a little extra strength... dam... I just answered my own question... I should probably put something there to at least give the console more strength. DANG! LOL

AND... creating a recessed access panel to the ECM would be kinda cool... hmmmmmm (I think we touched on this a few pages back)


Sofa King MSG #199, 12-06-2009 03:26 PM
      A few little updates:

I removed the lid and put the console back into car. I then took a magic marker and laid it against the ECM with the tip of the pen touching the console. I then ran the length of the console "tracing" an outline of how far the wires and ECM stick out. This line will help me determine how deep I can make the glove box.



Another


CORRECTION: I accidently called these "Tap Screws". I was mistaken. They are actually "T-Nuts". Sorry for the confusion


With the lid off, I think I need to sink the T-Nuts a little further down into the fiberglass. I want to make sure when the filler is applied there is nothing sticking up.


As I mentioned I created a new fiberglass panel. This panel was 6 layers thick! I knew there was NO WAY a pair of tin snips would work. Per Katatak's advice I used a jig saw and it worked like a champ! I did a few practice cuts


Feeling confident I went and began to mock up the back/top piece of the armrest


First piece cut


Other pieces cut and taped into position - I still need to cut the pieces to fit but this is the basic idea


Another - side view


We're getting really close! I'm feeling really good about the direction I'm headed. I'm looking forward to painting the lid and console. A member asked if I was going to cover the console in leather or vinyl. The ultimate goal is to use a paint system that mimics the look and feel of leather - http://www.lederoptik.de/index.php?id=34&L=1 This paint system is a bit expensive but is significantly lighter than leather and padding - and probably cheaper. I won't be getting the paint system until next year. So, if I move as fast I think I am I'll just paint the console grey and shoot a layer clear coat until the paint arrives.

That's it for now. Back to garage to remove paint from the toy chest... boooooooo


Sofa King MSG #200, 12-06-2009 05:09 PM
      small update

taking meansurements for the glovebox - I've abandonded the "shell" I created - too much fabricating and sanding in order to make it work.


Space Heater - 40 dollars. Resin - 10 dollars. Pack of Brushes - 6 dollars. Finding a bucket of old resin with a hardened paint brush tucked away behind a pile of dirty rags - priceless (note: that's not a bucket)

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katatak MSG #201, 12-06-2009 06:28 PM
      That's funny right there. I have a whole trash can full of those...... Except I am using Beer Keg cups. About the time the resin sets in the cup, it starts to eat through the bottom. I toss them in the trash can and righ now there are about 10 of them all stuck together. I might paint it and hang it on a pole in my yard - modern art? Automotive Art? lol. Looking good Greg.

Pat

Edit to add: Sweet - I own page 6.......yahoo!

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Sofa King MSG #202, 12-07-2009 10:25 AM
      P,

LOL! Might want to invest a couple bucks toward some plastic buckets. Lowes and the Depot have them for under a buck each. When the resin dries they just pop out - mostly...

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katatak MSG #203, 12-07-2009 01:07 PM
      Another great tip Greg....... If I don't work fast, I get resin leaking out of the cups all over the place..... You can teach an old dog new tricks...

Pat


Sofa King MSG #204, 12-08-2009 07:45 AM
      Sorry guys. No updates. I should have lots of time this afternoon.

However, I did want the take the time to thank everybody for all your support, guidance, advice and ideas during my console build. All you guys and gals are so great and what's better is the way we help each other out. I do try to answer every PM and post so if I missed a few it was not my intention.

Thanks again to everybody and keep those ideas coming in.

OK, back to work.

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MileHighFiero (jdspell55@yahoo.com) MSG #205, 12-08-2009 11:54 PM
      Looking forward to more

Sofa King MSG #206, 12-09-2009 07:56 AM
      Hi All,

Sorry again... no updates. Last night was pretty hectic. But that doesn't mean I haven't been thinking. I came up with another great idea! (well, I think it's a great idea... LOL)

Here is the concept - another little glove box in the armrest that sits behind the cup holder (hey, I already have the hinges...). What do you think? It's a crude drawing... but you should get the idea. I haven't been out to look at the actual dimensions yet to see how much room there is - but I'm hoping it works.

The red is for highlight purposes only. The little "glove box" will be lined with grey felt - the same as the lid and original glove box.


The good news is that this afternoon looks clear, so I should be able to get back to work on the console.

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bowrapennocks MSG #207, 12-09-2009 08:56 AM
      looking great!
Jim


katatak MSG #208, 12-09-2009 03:13 PM
      Greg,

Your brain works faster than your body. You need to quit fooling around and get to work. I am really liking the latest concept. But seriously, you need to quit coming up with all these new goodies. If you don't, I will never finish mine. I keep holding off waiting for your next idea....... Don't you just love this stuff? I got to go to work now.

Pat


Khw (i3ite_ivie@msn.com) MSG #209, 12-09-2009 09:14 PM
      Probably give you enough room to store some sunglasses, garage remote or something else.

Sofa King MSG #210, 12-09-2009 09:16 PM
      UPDATES!!!!

I got a lot done in the last few hours

First - Pat... does this look familiar?
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

I cut the hole to the cup holder


Did a little sanding - this was a tough cut. The bottom edge is very thin and I need to add another layer of glass to the front.


I then flipped the armrest over and cut these notches out to accept the bolts and give me more room for my hands


I then glassed in the metal bracket for the cup holder


After it dried... the moment of truth... it fits and works! I still have to add some glass around the front to get the edges perfect around the plastic


It's offical - that's a cup holder


As seen on the console


Another - open sez me


From the bottom


I then cut these little pieces


These pieces will act as supports for the panels that will create the glove box


Up close


I then counter sunk the T-Nuts and plopped on a layer of filler


The lid got plopped and also filled in the inside of the lid


I'm now prepping the armrest for the mini glove box... I'm a little apprehensive about this. Should i do it?


That's it for this evening. Tomorrow I'll sand the lid and console and begin filling the pinholes in the armrest. I will drill the holes in the console and armrest for the mounting screws and begin fabrication of the sides of the armrest. As i said, I'm still hesitant about the armrest glove box. OH! One thing I did notice was the armrest was cut a little off center - meaning one side is slightly longer than the other - I'm irritated - just because its me - but it will do for now. Always measure 3 to 23 times...

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katatak MSG #211, 12-09-2009 09:37 PM
      Sweet.... I love the cup holder. It turned out great! Those glasses look just like mine! How's that heater work? I bought a little one for the shop but I have only used it a couple times. It's back up in the high 50's - low 60's here again so It's been nice - windy but nice. I have glass curing as I write this.....lol.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #212, 12-09-2009 09:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Khw:

Probably give you enough room to store some sunglasses, garage remote or something else.


And that's why I need you guys. To help me make these tough decisions.

QUESTION: Should the armrest glove box lid be white or the same color as the armrest? hmmmmm I'm thinking the same color as the armrest.

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Sofa King MSG #213, 12-09-2009 10:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Sweet.... I love the cup holder. It turned out great! Those glasses look just like mine! How's that heater work? I bought a little one for the shop but I have only used it a couple times. It's back up in the high 50's - low 60's here again so It's been nice - windy but nice. I have glass curing as I write this.....lol.

Pat


P,

So far, I'm pretty happy with it. I have a little more work to do around the edges but the hardest part is done - and it wasn't really that difficult. How does the heater work? From 2 feet away it works fine but not much after that. I'm looking to get something with a little more spunk! I'll let you know what i find. The temp went up here as well. It was in the low 50's all day but cooled off real quick as soon as the sun went down. You better post some updates! I need my fix.

Have a great evening


FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #214, 12-10-2009 12:22 AM
      Looking good SK! The new idea for the cubby whole looks cool. I think it would be worth it to. At least you could put your insurance, registration, sunglass, ipod, checkbook, or anything like that in there. I mean yea u could put it the glove box but if yours is like one in my Malibu (yet to own a fiero) then it's prolly packed with junk lol...



hksteck84 MSG #215, 12-10-2009 10:34 AM
      Great work. Very insperational.

Sofa King MSG #216, 12-11-2009 07:48 AM
      Small update...

What could all this foam core be for?


Sorry there's no significant updates. These last few days have been pretty hectic. The kids have a wrestling meet tomorrow (Sat) and the parents are working the concession stand and other various duties. So the last few days have been spent prepping to sell goodies to all the high school inmates. I won't be able to get back to work on the console until Saturday night / Sunday... UGH...


revin MSG #217, 12-11-2009 11:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Small update...

What could all this foam core be for?


Sorry there's no significant updates. These last few days have been pretty hectic. The kids have a wrestling meet tomorrow (Sat) and the parents are working the concession stand and other various duties. So the last few days have been spent prepping to sell goodies to all the high school inmates. I won't be able to get back to work on the console until Saturday night / Sunday... UGH...


huh just so you know...
You don't need to put a picture on every showboard for the car shows. Maybe a 3 ring binder ?? LOL I just use one board.


Instead of making a new little box with the hinge thing again and the fit and function part again.... why not just a little indented rectangler "hole" there? Add a "power outlet", aux hook up for Ipod, coin holder, homelink for garage door, pic of my car, fiero logo, down in it. just a thought......... oh and make the ash tray door fit that hole to open and close! use the ashtray hardware.


WOW MADE IT TO THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!! very impressed!!!




Sofa King MSG #218, 12-11-2009 12:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


huh just so you know...
You don't need to put a picture on every showboard for the car shows. Maybe a 3 ring binder ?? LOL I just use one board.


Instead of making a new little box with the hinge thing again and the fit and function part again.... why not just a little indented rectangler "hole" there? Add a "power outlet", aux hook up for Ipod, coin holder, homelink for garage door, pic of my car, fiero logo, down in it. just a thought......... oh and make the ash tray door fit that hole to open and close! use the ashtray hardware.


WOW MADE IT TO THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!! very impressed!!!



Hey Revin,

LOL! NOPE! The foam core is not for a display / show board... Are you kidding me? The 88 isn't show worthy yet. Shhhhhh... don't tell her I said that, she might not start up for me this afternoon.

The foam board is for a project / build. But no details yet...

I still haven't figured out the new lil glove box yet. I do like the idea of a lid so the armrest has a smooth finish and look to it. If that makes sense. But I really like your ideas. I am considering putting the other 12volt outlet in there - it just a matter placement and convenience.

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katatak MSG #219, 12-11-2009 11:34 PM
      I like how Revin threw in there the "suggestion" that you carry around a picture of "his" car. Reminds of those saturday night live skits with the "subliminal" messages...... I will say that his idea for the "covey hole" / "tray" is pretty genious. No hinge worries, a place to keep your ipod from sliding around, loose change, etc. etc.......

Pat


katatak MSG #220, 12-12-2009 08:24 PM
      Hello...........SF you there? Family keeping you busy? Come On! I need an update!

87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #221, 12-13-2009 01:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Hello...........SF you there? Family keeping you busy? Come On! I need an update!


Me to...


Sofa King MSG #222, 12-13-2009 02:39 PM
      Hey Guys,

Sorry for the silence. Things have been really hectic these past few days with an Open House at work to working the concession stand ALL DAY yesterday for the kids school function - I was literally non-stop for the last 3 days... I was wiped out...

BUT! I was up early this morning and I have updates! I ran by the local improvement store and bought a hot glue gun. Taking Archie's advice, the glue gun helps you set the fiberglass in place and get an idea of what you want before laying any resin or glass - brilliant!

I sanded and primed the areas where the T-Nuts were installed - a few more holes to fill



I really wanted to get the armrest to a near finished state by this afternoon - I cut and sanded the pieces to fit and used to glue gun to help me place the pieces. I'm holding off on the new glove box until the armrest is 95% completed


The hot glue gave me a better idea of what needed to be trimmed, cut and sanded


I realized the console had a significant curve to it. I took a pencil and ran it along the face of the console and that showed me what needed to be removed


I then took the Dremel and sanded away - a near perfect fit


You can see the curve - I also sanded the inside down to get a better fit


Once I had the fit I wanted and everything was sanded I gave it one last look with the hot glue before I added resin & glass




Another


Adding the resin & glass


I cleaned up the piece, sanded it down, removed the dust and realized it was loaded with pits...


Another


And another...


While that dried I played with a new panel and cut the opening for the cup holder - this one took me a while


Glue up and awaiting resin


OK - that's where I am right now. It's about 50 degrees outside so I can make lots of progress. BACK TO THE GARAGE!!!!!

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katatak MSG #223, 12-13-2009 06:52 PM
      NICE!

Sofa King MSG #224, 12-13-2009 07:15 PM
      UPDATES!!!

This is how the armrest looked after an hour of sanding. There is still a substantial amount of pin holes and other areas to fill.


A little further back


I went ahead and taped off the armrest and used both the grey and black primers - this should give you a better idea of where I'm headed


This image shows with the cup holder open - UGH... the 12volt power outlet DOES get in the way. I'm debating whether or not to move it


Another view - BUT the cup holder works - sweet


You were wondering what I am doing with all that foam core? I'm using it to create the glovebox - not ALL the foam core. This is MUCH easier than wasting fiberglass. I'll cut the foam to a "close enough" shape, trace it onto a fiberglass panel and cut. Then resin and glass into place. However... I'm going to see if I can actually use resin to harden the foam core. If so, I'll lay glass on the backside for strength, lay a few coats of resin and filler on the front, sand a little and then lay the dark grey felt and call it a day. That would be the ultimate plan - you know... the easier one.


Another - Hole cut for my fingers


With the lid up - you can see the "near" finished product - I might cut an access panel... Maybe another pop down cup holder! LOL


Nearing the end of today's hijink and tomfoolery - still more holes to fill


I'm doing a test of more foam core - I'm hoping the resin doesn't eat away the foam


Testing more foam core with cures - these tests will also decide whether a bigger project is on the horizon! If the foam holds up to the resin, glass and filler - OH BOY!!!!


Check it out - as it stands right now!


That's about it for now. I'm getting really close! And then it's on to the door panels... and maybe something more?

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Sofa King MSG #225, 12-13-2009 07:45 PM
      Quick question... I had another idea...

I don't remember what car it is (I'm sure there are a few), but there is a model car with a center console storage box that has a slider lid (you pull it toward the back and it opens to reveal a little storage bin) - not a pop up or lift type lid. Does anybody know what model that migth be?

Thanks

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nosaint MSG #226, 12-14-2009 12:01 AM
      try a Beretta, seems to ring a bell

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katatak MSG #227, 12-14-2009 12:19 AM
      Man that looks good Greg! I like the "foam" work too. Hope it holds up to the resin. This could send me in a whole new direction with the guage pod. Great Job! I can't wait to see where you go next...........

Pat



aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #228, 12-14-2009 01:29 AM
      So, is the cupholder spring loaded, or do you have to pull it out?
Can't seem to figure that out...


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #229, 12-14-2009 06:53 AM
      Are you gonna put black leather on the armrest where it's black right now? That would look pretty slick.

Sofa King MSG #230, 12-14-2009 08:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:

So, is the cupholder spring loaded, or do you have to pull it out?
Can't seem to figure that out...


Unfortunately it is the early style "pull out" cup holder. It was the 13 dollar cup holder vs the 40 dollar plus cup holder. I think I made the right choice - LOL. I still have to modify the front panel to allow an area under the cup holder panel for my fingers. There is always something... I'm beginning to know what the car designers feel like

But it is fun.


Sofa King MSG #231, 12-14-2009 08:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Are you gonna put black leather on the armrest where it's black right now? That would look pretty slick.


Hey G,

Right now the plan is this:

The main console will be painted grey using a leather like paint system from Germany called Lunitc. The armrest will be painted black using the same paint system. The lid be painted a high gloss white and the trim around the armrest will be either high gloss black or grey (I'm leaning toward black)

Here is the link to Lunitec - http://www.lederoptik.de/index.php?id=34&L=1

Gotta go do real work now...


Sofa King MSG #232, 12-14-2009 07:53 PM
      GOOD NEWS!

The foam core held up! I wasn't expecting much but I was very surpirsed. Toss layer of glass on top and I think we have a winner!


Tomorrow I'll glass both the back and inside of the glove box. When that dries I KNOW I'll have lot's of the sanding and filling, sanding and filling, sanding and filling, etc... Like the inside of the lid, it will be layered in grey felt. This will keep things from bouncing around and keep the noise down. Speaking of which... I saved all the sound deadening material from the original console so I will line the underside of the console in the appropriate spots.


I think someone is trying to tell me something... Yes, Dear...

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Sofa King MSG #233, 12-14-2009 07:56 PM
      Another Sofa King Original Work of Art. I will call it "... Sofa King Abstract..."


Tomorrow we move forward!

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Sofa King MSG #234, 12-14-2009 08:11 PM
      One more little update: Nothing major.

The door panels are going to be a real challenge. Not the actual fabrication, but because this time I'm going to try creating a plug so I will be able to create multiple copies. This is something totally new for me but I enjoy the challenge... I'm going to need to learn not only how to create a plug but I'll need to know what the process is behind the mold releases, chemicals, etc to use.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #235, 12-14-2009 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Quick question... I had another idea...

I don't remember what car it is (I'm sure there are a few), but there is a model car with a center console storage box that has a slider lid (you pull it toward the back and it opens to reveal a little storage bin) - not a pop up or lift type lid. Does anybody know what model that migth be?

Thanks



My Outlook has that, along with the GMC Acadia.

Everything looks very cool, nice job...

Bob



katatak MSG #236, 12-14-2009 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Another Sofa King Original Work of Art. I will call it "... Sofa King Abstract..."


Tomorrow we move forward!



Ok, now we have 2 entries inthe unofficial PFF Build Art Contest. Here's mine!


Excellent news about the foam! Opens up a whole bunch of possibilities!


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #237, 12-14-2009 09:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey G,

Right now the plan is this:

The main console will be painted grey using a leather like paint system from Germany called Lunitc. The armrest will be painted black using the same paint system. The lid be painted a high gloss white and the trim around the armrest will be either high gloss black or grey (I'm leaning toward black)

Here is the link to Lunitec - http://www.lederoptik.de/index.php?id=34&L=1

Gotta go do real work now...


Oh, I've seen that stuff before.. Really neat


Sofa King MSG #238, 12-15-2009 07:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


My Outlook has that, along with the GMC Acadia.

Everything looks very cool, nice job...

Bob


Hi B,

Thanks for the info! Let's hope I can find a good used part!


Sofa King MSG #239, 12-15-2009 08:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Ok, now we have 2 entries inthe unofficial PFF Build Art Contest. Here's mine!


Excellent news about the foam! Opens up a whole bunch of possibilities!


I think we might be looking at a whole new thread!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #240, 12-15-2009 08:16 AM
      Looking good.

revin MSG #241, 12-15-2009 11:58 AM
      maybe you can add the cig liter at the top of the console? where K's adding a tweeter?

OH wait!
on the side of the part closest to the dash! ( toward the top so you don't hit it with your leg.)


I like the hot glue gun thing! that archie has all kinds of tricks!!


Sofa King MSG #242, 12-15-2009 01:14 PM
      Hi All,

I know this has nothing to do with Fieros. But as I get deeper into working with fiberglass I couldn't help but post this site. This modeler is AMAZING!

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/park.htm

Let his work speak for itself!


Tony Kania MSG #243, 12-15-2009 03:08 PM
      That is the slickest looking design that I have ever seen! Awesome work! Marked as a favorite.

Can you put the 12v in the middle, in between the cup holder extensions?

How are you going to set up the opening compartment area? I have not read if you are going to put anything special in there or not. (I plan on reading the entire thread later.) I envision an area that would hold an LED flashlight, pen and pencil holder, cell phone holder, and Two 12voutlets like the one that you have in the pics. Just what I envision, in your creation.

I like the leather idea also. Just the whole design is great! And then you go ahead and throw in a couple of functional cup holders! Awesome project! Good luck.

Tony



katatak MSG #244, 12-16-2009 01:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hi All,

I know this has nothing to do with Fieros. But as I get deeper into working with fiberglass I couldn't help but post this site. This modeler is AMAZING!

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/park.htm

Let his work speak for itself!


I wonder what that guy would charge to build a skeleton out of aluminum? That would be very custom. You would have to build a clear console so that the skeleton could be seen. Or what about an exoskeleton built on the outside of the console? Now quit sitting at the computer and get back to work!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #245, 12-16-2009 07:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

That is the slickest looking design that I have ever seen! Awesome work! Marked as a favorite.

Can you put the 12v in the middle, in between the cup holder extensions?

How are you going to set up the opening compartment area? I have not read if you are going to put anything special in there or not. (I plan on reading the entire thread later.) I envision an area that would hold an LED flashlight, pen and pencil holder, cell phone holder, and Two 12voutlets like the one that you have in the pics. Just what I envision, in your creation.

I like the leather idea also. Just the whole design is great! And then you go ahead and throw in a couple of functional cup holders! Awesome project! Good luck.

Tony


Hi T,

Thanks for the kind words! I really appreciate it. I haven't figured out what I'm going to do about the 12v outlet. I haven't had much time these past few days to do anything at all. I'm also fighting a bug or something... lot's of aches, pains, etc...

Anywho, I was thinking of repositioning the 12v outlet into the armrest storage bin / glove box - most new cars are that way - but it's dependent upon how much room there is.

Again, thanks for the kind words. I should be back on the console tomorrow or Friday


Sofa King MSG #246, 12-16-2009 10:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I wonder what that guy would charge to build a skeleton out of aluminum? That would be very custom. You would have to build a clear console so that the skeleton could be seen. Or what about an exoskeleton built on the outside of the console? Now quit sitting at the computer and get back to work!

Pat


P,

Check this out - your comment reminded me of a concept interior done by Volvo
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-...oads/56309-a-vol.jpg

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Sofa King MSG #247, 12-16-2009 03:00 PM
      Question: Does anybody have a set of working power mirrors to include wiring they would like to sell me?

87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #248, 12-17-2009 12:35 AM
      Hello Sofa King fantastic job so far. When are you going to post the latest updates? And how much longer do you calculate for it to be completely done.

And don't forget to post how much it would be to reproduce for those who want to buy one...


Sofa King MSG #249, 12-17-2009 01:40 PM
      Hey All,

I've been fighting some kind of bug... I'm hoping to be rid of it by tomorrow. I can't let a weekend go to waste...


katatak MSG #250, 12-17-2009 10:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey All,

I've been fighting some kind of bug... I'm hoping to be rid of it by tomorrow. I can't let a weekend go to waste...


Thta's what you get for sniffing all that fiberglass resin!... Get well so you can get back to work...

Pat



Sofa King MSG #251, 12-18-2009 07:23 AM
      I'm feeling 1000 times better than I was yesterday. It's amazing what 12 hours of sleep for 4 nights in a row will do for ya! I have to clean the garage first before I do anything... you saw the messages... LOL But then it's full speed ahead!

I have decided to move the 12v outlet. So I'll fill the existing hole and probably put the outlet either in the armrest glove box or someplace else. I will need it... just have to figure out where. I think I'm in the final stretches now. I have to glass the back of the main glove box and resin the front and then it's just minor touch up work before the first layer of final paint gets sprayed!


revin MSG #252, 12-18-2009 09:33 AM
      Don't forget the ADL(whatever) connector under there!!!

Sofa King MSG #253, 12-18-2009 09:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Don't forget the ADL(whatever) connector under there!!!


Luckily the ALDL doesn't interfere with the console. I might have to make an access panel - which would be fairly easy. I can use the torque screws similar to the dash. hmmmmmmmm


Sofa King MSG #254, 12-18-2009 10:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 87GT2M6:

much it would be to reproduce for those who want to buy one...


Hey 87,

I'm actually going to rebuild an all new console using the same steps Archie takes to building his fiberglass projects. That way I can get everything to measure evenly, clean lines, straight edges and there's no guessing. Right now, I'm figuring 3 pieces to start - the lid, glove box and main console. The armrest will come later. Once I have those masters made, I'll look into what it would cost to use that as a plug to create more.

Cost? 1 billion dollars! muhuhuhahahahaha... Actually... I have no idea... maybe 200 - 300 dollars. But that also depends on sanding, prepping, etc... and the cost of the molds.

I hope this helps?

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87GT2M6 (askhiquality@gmail.com) MSG #255, 12-18-2009 10:31 PM
      It sure gives me something to look forwards to, Thanks.

Sofa King MSG #256, 12-19-2009 10:16 AM
      Hi all

There are updates! I spent the better part of yesterday cleaning the garage before doing anything. I woke up early this morning, did some Christmas shopping and was able to get a few layers of glass laid. I'm just waiting for photobucket to update!

Once the resin dries I'll be doing some light sanding and filling those hard to reach areas. I'm also going to finish up the armrest, fill the 12v outlet and prepare for final paint!!!

Photos coming!

Just got an email - door panels are on their way!

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Sofa King MSG #257, 12-19-2009 11:38 AM
      As Promised!

Just laying glass to the front and back of the glove box.



Securing the front plate for the cup holder


I'll trim this up, spread some filler and sand it smooth


OK so... not that many pics... but better than nothing. It is cold and the resin is taking a little longer to dry... UGH

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katatak MSG #258, 12-19-2009 04:37 PM
      At least you are making some prgress.........

Did you use the foam in the glove box with some mat layed on it? Or just the foam board and resin? I'm rethinking my shft cover and might use the foam board. I'm thinking about using the foam and resin to make a mold, cover it with packing tape or wax paper then laying a few layers of mat over the top to make a shell for the shfit over. I want to take some of the "block" look out of it.


Sofa King MSG #259, 12-20-2009 04:26 PM
      Hey P,

I used all 3 - foam, resin and glass. I quickly realized that the resin, while strong, is only a very thin layer and will not keep the foam core from snapping - it is after all just paper and foam. It needed a little bit of glass to give it the strength required.

Now - UPDATES!!!!

I went ahead and began to sand the inside of the glove box and added lot's of body filler. Since this is going to be laid in felt - it doesn't have to be perfect!


Another - catching some rays


I also filled the 12v outlet hole




Believe it or not... this little area has required the most sanding I've ever done. Although it's going to be covered I still need to knock down the high areas - total pain!


And more sanding


AHHH... I shall call him... MiniResin


Slight set back. While sanding the armrest, the front plate that I attached popped off. I'm now adding more resin - it has been really cold and I'm wondering if that's having anything to do with it?

Now... on to the good stuff... Remember all that foam core I purchased? Check it out! Armed only with a ruler, X-Acto Knife and VERY little common sense... I have begun work on Console Part II. The first thing I did was trace an outline on the foam core using the original console. This console is slightly bigger than my first console but should still fit snug


This was the fastest console I've ever built! Other than taping together - it took about 15 minutes




Inside shot - you can see how perfectly straight the lines are. This makes it easy to create the new glove box


Marking the new glove box lid - the nice thing about foam core is that it's cheap and if you make mistake - it cost 50 cents - not 35 dollars




Following the same lines as the original console I cut the edges to ensure it fits in the car


Another


I then tapes the edges


I rounded out the back part of the console




Here it is in the car - notice I added more space in what will become the glove box.


Front - FIT PERFECTLY!


One more - this new console will also be used to create more consoles should I decide to go "global" LOL


I spent about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes total on this new console. Why? I'm not ending at the console, like Katatak, I'm going to continue moving forward all the way through the radio / ac housing to the dash - I might even make a new dash - not sure yet. BUT! The foam core works wonders and allows me to see exactly what I want to do and what direction I want to head. I can also paint the foam core to get a better idea of color schemes, textures, etc... Can I use just the foam core to create a new dash? Yes and no. I have two directions:

1) Once I get everything in place and all the measurements made I take apart the console, create fiberglass panels and transfer those measurements to the fiberglass - that's a lot of glass work and a lot of fabricating but there's very little guess work.

or

2) With the foam core in place and using more masking tape than I know what to do with... I glass both sides of the console similar to what I'm doing to the glove box on the original console. I don't have to be as forgiving on the inside but I would need to work smart on the outside to ensure straight edges blah blah blah...

From here... the next steps for the new "foam core" console are to cut the lid and create a perfect glove box along with a new style armrest and mini glove box. This will also allow me to begin to design a new shifter plate and radio a/c housing.

Not to worry - I'm still moving forward with the original console build. Once the glove box is sanded smooth I will begin to put the final pieces together for the armrest (to include the mini glove box), lay the felt lining inside the glove box and lid and get to paint.

P (and everybody else of course),

Go back to Hobby Lobby and get a bunch of foam core! I promise this will help with any idea or direction you might have. And yes, you can cut curves - not compound courves, but you can do simple curves. I'll post a pic in a few. (JUST SAW YOUR THREAD! YOU GOT THE FOAM CORE! How funny is that! - Great minds!!!)

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Sofa King MSG #260, 12-20-2009 05:50 PM
      Creating curves using foam core - I'm using a scrap piece of core for demonstration purposes only

Using your X-Acto kinfe and a metal straight edge you score the foam core through the top paper layer and through the middle foam being careful NOT to go through the bottom paper layer - a few practice swipes will help you determine how much pressure to apply. You create multiple score lines depending on your curve. The more score lines the more smooth your curve will be.

Score lines


Then use your fingers to spread the foam core apart being careful not to tear through the bottom paper layer - remember, the more score lines the smoother it will be. However, you may need to use your straight edge to help spread the foam core apart


You do this to all the score lines until a simple curve is achieved


As you can see I used the masking tape as a reference for the curve.


You can create different angled curves and mutli-directional curves


Angled score lines


Figure eight - score lines on both sides of the foam core




All this creates Super Happy Fun Time!


The next question: How do I keep the curve in it's desired position? Assuming you alreay know what the measurements are and the shape you want you can do one of two things. First, simply lay the curved piece of foam core over the area and tape into place. The other - use a piece of scrap foam core and trace the outline of the curve you want. Then use the X-Acto knife to cut out the curve and use as the template in which to tape your curve. Once you get the curve you want carefully add masking tape to the inside and/or outside of the curve. The tape will both push and pull the foam core keeping it's desired position.

Anywho, I hope you like these new updates.


Sofa King MSG #261, 12-20-2009 05:57 PM
      Just had an idea!!!!

Depending how deep the new console is (I can always change it) - I might be able to place a cup holder below the lid in the main console and NOT in the armrest. This would free up space in the armrest for a new mini glove box and allow a tapered look instead of the sudden "chopped" off look. This would also allow for the return of the 12v outlet.

I kinda like this new direction... what do you think?


That's it for today.

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katatak MSG #262, 12-20-2009 08:36 PM
      Wow Greg!. What is really weird is that I thought you were using just foam board. Not foam core. When I went to the hobby store the other day to get some foam board, I had a pile of it in my cart and wandered through the foam core isle. I thought it would work better so I dumped the foam board and picked up the foam core. It was way cheaper too. And all the while, it's what you were using....Great minds think a like. Or you were sending me telepathic signals while I was roaming around the hobby store - but I do not want to go there....lol. I here I thought I had one up on you............I also found that the old hot glue works really good to holt it together.

Anyway, I found that if I wax the foam core paper with auto wax and instead of buffing the wax off, leave the film of wax on the paper, you can lay glass and resin right on the mold and when it's setup, it peels off real easy. Just make sure to cover the exposed edges of foam with packing tape.

Now who's raising the bar....... You got me thinking again. I was just going to extend what I had already done. Now I'm thinking a complete rebuild! I hate you..........

Pat


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #263, 12-20-2009 09:52 PM
      Wow!
Definitely like the new concept you just came up with. I'd say go for that!

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Sofa King MSG #264, 12-21-2009 08:36 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by aeffertz:

Wow!
Definitely like the new concept you just came up with. I'd say go for that!



Thanks for the positive feedback. I'm with you. I really like this new direction. The nice thing is that I can create the entire console in foam core, paint it (if I want to) and install it to see which one I like best with minimal cost and very little time.

As I move forward I'm looking at different designs for the shifter plate and radio - a/c housing. I've got tons of ideas running through my head but I'm headed for the same "wall" Katatak just hit - How do you design an interior keeping with the original design of the car but updating it with today's / future design elements - very tricky.


katatak MSG #265, 12-21-2009 01:39 PM
      My head hurts from banging it against the wall. Your way is the best way. Build models to you get the one you want then go to glassing. If I had waited a few weeks longer to start mine, all the work I already did would not have been wasted. Well I don't really think it was a waste. I did learn a lot. Now I'm ready for the next phase with a clearer picture of what it is I am tryoing to accomplish. Could not have done it without your hel[p and advice Greg! Thanks again for sharing what you are doing. Keep sme going forward.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #266, 12-21-2009 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

My head hurts from banging it against the wall. Your way is the best way. Build models to you get the one you want then go to glassing. If I had waited a few weeks longer to start mine, all the work I already did would not have been wasted. Well I don't really think it was a waste. I did learn a lot. Now I'm ready for the next phase with a clearer picture of what it is I am tryoing to accomplish. Could not have done it without your hel[p and advice Greg! Thanks again for sharing what you are doing. Keep sme going forward.

Pat


UH-GREED!!!! I think I'm more frustrated with myself for not even thinking of the foam core - what a dope! But like you said - we've both learned a LOT! And we're both learning from each other and that keeps us moving forward. Thank you for the kind words. But it's you who keeps raising the bar and making me rethink my own decisions and processes - you bum. Maybe we should open a shop - nah... we'd never sell anything. We'd just improve on the previous design. LOL

NOW! Check this out. I discussed this in an earlier thread and you're probably going to be able to do this before I will - Christmas Vacation is coming and I'll be out of town for a week and then its back to work!

Here's the plan: I'll be doing this on my next console
When you create a new fiberglass panel make sure you have your "foam core" parts already laid out, cut, measured, etc... This is really tricky becuase you can't walk away after you lay the resin! When the panel is still curing but just dry to the touch, remove the wax paper, lay the foam core pieces on top of the panel and shoot a light layer of primer making sure you hit ALL the edges. Remove the foam core to reveal the outline. Take your trusty X-Acto blade and straight edge and begin to cut out the shapes from the fiberglass panel being VERY carfeul around the edges - the idea is to get a perfect cut. The resin will not have cured all the way and cutting should be easy - make sure you use a NEW blade. When you make all the cuts peel away the excess leaving only the prefabricated shapes to dry. Reapply the waxpaper and a flat board until the resin has fully cured.

I tried this process on a huge panel and it worked PERFECTLY! All I did was cut the edges and remove the flash - but it worked. There was MINIMAL sanding and cutting to do. It was AWESOME! The build process should go by MUCH quicker!

What do you think?

Now. GO DO IT!


katatak MSG #267, 12-21-2009 10:23 PM
      Hey Greg,

The light bulb just clicked on. I understand what you are doing now. Let's see if I have this straight.

You build the part with the foam board. Then check it in the car for fit. Once you have the design you want, you deconstruct the part (foam board) then make a fiberglass panel. As the resin cures, you lay the pieces of the deconstructed part on the panel and cut the pieces out with a razor knife. Once the pieces are fully cured, your assemble the fiberglass pieces to make the final part using tips learned from Archie (hot glue on one side) to hold the piece together while you glass the other side. I get it.......... It's excellent!

My plan was to build the part out of foam core and then use the part as a "plug" to lay glass over. Once sured, I would peall the fiberglass part off the plug.

Your plan will reduce the amount of sanding and finishing a bunch! I told you that I was banging my head on the wall too much. Also have some brain damage from all the resin.........

During my plane flight today, I was working all these "parts" in my head - all the things I was going to with my "new" console. I guess I have to toss all that out now and rethink it. Thanks again Buddy!


Sofa King MSG #268, 12-22-2009 07:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Hey Greg,

The light bulb just clicked on. I understand what you are doing now. Let's see if I have this straight.

You build the part with the foam board. Then check it in the car for fit. Once you have the design you want, you deconstruct the part (foam board) then make a fiberglass panel. As the resin cures, you lay the pieces of the deconstructed part on the panel and cut the pieces out with a razor knife. Once the pieces are fully cured, your assemble the fiberglass pieces to make the final part using tips learned from Archie (hot glue on one side) to hold the piece together while you glass the other side. I get it.......... It's excellent!

My plan was to build the part out of foam core and then use the part as a "plug" to lay glass over. Once sured, I would peall the fiberglass part off the plug.

Your plan will reduce the amount of sanding and finishing a bunch! I told you that I was banging my head on the wall too much. Also have some brain damage from all the resin.........

During my plane flight today, I was working all these "parts" in my head - all the things I was going to with my "new" console. I guess I have to toss all that out now and rethink it. Thanks again Buddy!


BINGO! You got it! I think the plan has some merit to it. Try doing it on a small piece first - maybe the emblem???? Anything to avoid unnecessary sanding, right? And about your brain damage... Welcome to the club. I'm not just a member... I'm the founder.

I do the same thing when I have down time - just think about all the different possibilities, lines, designs, creature comforts, etc... What can I do to make the fantastic car just a little better.



Sofa King MSG #269, 12-22-2009 06:30 PM
      HEY HEY!

Santa came early this year! Looks like I know what other project will begin!




Now if you remember, this is the basic plan for the door panels. The final design is still being worked in my head.


THANKS SANTA!

I'm leaving for Vegas tomorrow morning for Christmas (I know I know...) so there will be no working on the project until I get back next Monday. So, in the meantime...

Happy Holidays to all and have a very Merry Christmas!


Sofa King MSG #270, 12-25-2009 02:00 AM
      Just want to wish everybody a very Merry Christmas

katatak MSG #271, 12-26-2009 12:07 AM
      Merry Christmas Greg.....

Now quit fooling around in Vegas and get back to work.....

Hope you had a great day and Santa brought you lot's of Fiberglass supplies.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #272, 12-29-2009 08:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Merry Christmas Greg.....

Now quit fooling around in Vegas and get back to work.....

Hope you had a great day and Santa brought you lot's of Fiberglass supplies.

Pat


Hey P,

Merry Christmas, buddy! I'm BACK! I flew in late yesterday afternoon and I am ready to get back to it! I've got my mental list of ideas and I am ready! However...

There are going to be a few changes. I am abandoning the armrest idea for the first console. I still want to finish this console, get it all sanded, primed and painted and everything installed so I can stand back, admire it for 10 seconds - oooooo, ahhhhhh, and then move forward to Console Part II and the door panels. I'm going to try to remove the cup holder from the armrest so I can place it in the new console - that's going to be tough. I love the first console but with as much I've learned over the last few months, I know I can do better, be much more efficient about it and have everything finally come together. I may even sell the first console?

They only funny thing... I have to recut the hole that I just filled for the 12v outlet.

Also, I have a complete dash, radio bezel and shifter plate coming. Do the math... he he he


katatak MSG #273, 12-29-2009 11:58 AM
      I feel your pain brother. Everytime I get close, I change something. I am on track to "finish" what I started but already have new plans. I can't wait to see what you do with the door panels - I may be inspired to tackle that too! And now you are flirting with a dash....I hate you! My future plan is a complete interior redo for the XTC. I spent the last 3 days working on it and have come to the realization that it needs your "concept" interior.

I'm not sure if you have looked at this build thread but it is pretty inspiring too! Check it out if you have not already.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000081.html

Here we go! Happy New Year!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #274, 12-31-2009 12:47 PM
      I know I know... again... I've been slacking and I'm sorry. Some personal things have come up that I have had to take of. Things should be balanced out in the next few weeks but I should be able to get out to the garage this weekend.

Happy New Year!


Sofa King MSG #275, 12-31-2009 12:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I feel your pain brother. Everytime I get close, I change something. I am on track to "finish" what I started but already have new plans. I can't wait to see what you do with the door panels - I may be inspired to tackle that too! And now you are flirting with a dash....I hate you! My future plan is a complete interior redo for the XTC. I spent the last 3 days working on it and have come to the realization that it needs your "concept" interior.

I'm not sure if you have looked at this build thread but it is pretty inspiring too! Check it out if you have not already.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000081.html

Here we go! Happy New Year!

Pat


Happy New Year, buddy! I have seen this thread. Amazing build. The attention to the details is not only boggeling but also very inspiring - the side window frames for example. It's the type of build where you want to tell the guy to hurry up so we can see it finished.

I think the XTC needs an interior to compliment the exterior lines of the car. I'm glad you like the design I did. Just let me know if you need any thing at all.


revin MSG #276, 01-04-2010 11:42 AM
      Are you ladies done with your holidays YET?!?!?!? Come on.........get to work!! (like I have been doing )

I did not notice how either one of ya'll are going to secure the console down? I was thinking about a countersunk hole on the sides and then getting some covers( like on the lower door trim, by the carpet. not sold on that idea just yet but the only thing I came up with so far...

I have ordered led strips for several cool projects!! heh heh Still looking for that "just right " steering wheel.


katatak MSG #277, 01-04-2010 08:40 PM
      Hey Revin,

For me, I am using the original skeleton and the AC surround mounts the same. The rear console mounts to the skeleton in front stock and I am building a bracket for the firewall to olt the back too. The shifter cover will fasten to the AC surround and the rear console through the sides with 10X24 screws, well nuts and "snap caps" - black plastic caps that sanp over the screw to cover it. Look likes a little black button. I think Greg is using some big finish nails.....lol j/k....

Pat


revin MSG #278, 01-05-2010 03:13 PM
      ok thanks!
I bet Greg will try to make fiberglass screws for his


Sofa King MSG #279, 01-06-2010 08:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I think Greg is using some big finish nails.....lol j/k....

Pat


LOL! Is that wrong? Because I bought a really big hammer and those HUGE driving spikes and rebar...

Sorry for no updates guys. These past few weeks have been pretty horrible. My fiance and I called it quits after 4 years. Without going into any gory details the last week or so has been spent dividing everything up and helping her and her two kids moved into a new home. To say the least, it's been very stressful. Not a great way to start the new year... oh well...

Also, it's been REALLY COLD and I don't have a heater big enough to warm the garage. I can't paint and the resin is really thick because of the cold... It was 15 when I went out to the car this morning with a high of ohhhh.... 20? But not to worry. I'll get back out there!


revin MSG #280, 01-06-2010 10:38 AM
      sorry to hear the bad news Yeah take care of YOUR life right now. Don't worry, Pat and I will keep this out of the archives

ok real quick....
PLEASE don't give her half of the console!!!!! either one!!!

sorry may not be a good time for a joke......


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #281, 01-06-2010 05:24 PM
      No worries.. We understand. We'll be here for you if you need us.

No worries, we'll keep you in our thoughts and the thread out of the archives.


katatak MSG #282, 01-06-2010 08:13 PM
      "LOL! Is that wrong? Because I bought a really big hammer and those HUGE driving spikes and rebar..."

I tired that but kept hitting my thumb!

Stay positive brother..... Now that you have the place to yourself, you can move the project into the kitchen.....Solves your heating problem...just a thought. Just trying to get a grin out of ya! Talk to you later.

Pat




grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #283, 01-08-2010 07:58 AM
      Bump for an amazing thread

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #284, 01-10-2010 10:37 AM
      I like it, keep up the great work! -Jason

ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #285, 01-10-2010 09:24 PM
     

Just a sugestion and I am not even sure its a good one... Could you heat the foam board with a hair dryer or heat gun and form a curv around a piece of PVC pipe of the desired diamater?



ever think of using two hinges on the top? It may make it a bit more durable as your spreading the load out more. Not to mention positioning the hinges toards the corner, where the mounting points are better reinforced because of the roundness...

I like this thread Giving me ideas for future projects...

Ever think of extending that glovebox/center consol up to the dash? It would eleviate allot of shift console worpage issues...

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #286, 01-11-2010 06:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALJR:



Just a sugestion and I am not even sure its a good one... Could you heat the foam board with a hair dryer or heat gun and form a curv around a piece of PVC pipe of the desired diamater?



ever think of using two hinges on the top? It may make it a bit more durable as your spreading the load out more. Not to mention positioning the hinges toards the corner, where the mounting points are better reinforced because of the roundness...



I agree. If that hinge is already in there, I would definitely consider putting a hinge on each side of it, to eliminate wobble.


Sofa King MSG #287, 01-11-2010 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALJR:

Could you heat the foam board with a hair dryer or heat gun and form a curv around a piece of PVC pipe of the desired diamater?



Hey ALJR,

I've worked with Foamcore for years and that's very good question. I have no idea. My first thought would be yes, I don't see why it wouldn't work. But then my second thought would be - maybe not. If the the foam breaks down from the heat will it harden while in it's new shape. Again, I really dont know.


Sofa King MSG #288, 01-11-2010 09:47 AM
      Hi All,

I'm BACK! It's been a rough couple of weeks but I'm slowly getting my life back in order and what better way than to jump back on the Fiero and occupy my thoughts with this project! There's been one drawback. It has been really FRIGGIN cold and I'm debating whether or not to move the "fiberglassing" inside the house. I have a HUGE room above the attached garage but there is little ventilation. Can anybody tell me if this is a good idea? I will NOT be sanding or doing anything like that - just the pouring and laying of the glass.

Also, I just received a new dash and complete center console. I'll post pics this evening!

Just want to thank everybody for the kind words and support!


revin MSG #289, 01-11-2010 10:57 AM
      I thought you knew about the smell that goes with fiberglassing? The house will smell like that for a while.
Use the room abouve the garage, open the vents after you are done with a fan to push out the fumes.

Do you have a little heater? garage doors insulated?

I have both and it stays around 65* in there @ 30* outside. just get ya another pair of long johns on and tough it out!! you have been away for so long that Pat is making his whole car parts out of fiberglass!!!! EVERYTHING (it seems lol)

S, look up the thread about 3000gt dashes(sourmug's) he was using the 2 part foam to help make the buldges in the door panel. I think you can do some good with it as well . here : http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/071501-13.html


ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #290, 01-11-2010 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

will it harden while in it's new shape


Wouldn't that be a good thing? You would be making the shape for a reason; wouldn't you want the part to hold its shape?! Either way, just offering another possible solution...

I am kinda like the company BASF; "We do not make allot of the products you buy, we just make them better" ... I am not very good at inital problem solving. But once I see something, I am always trying to improve it... Kinda like this thread of yours. I would never have though I could do what your doing, until I see how its done and how your doing it

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Sofa King MSG #291, 01-11-2010 03:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Do you have a little heater? garage doors insulated?



Genius! Pure Genius!


katatak MSG #292, 01-12-2010 12:36 AM
      Welcome back Greg..... Anxiously awaiting more pics.....

Sofa King MSG #293, 01-12-2010 10:42 AM
      I got hung up last night taking care of a few things and was never able to unpack the dash and consoles. But tonight - I PROMISE to post pics!

I'm also taking Revin's advice. I'm insulating the garage doors with a high R value insulation. We're nearing the end of winter but better to do it now - it also keeps the heat out.


Sofa King MSG #294, 01-12-2010 10:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

S, look up the thread about 3000gt dashes(sourmug's) he was using the 2 part foam to help make the buldges in the door panel. I think you can do some good with it as well . here : http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/071501-13.html


Hey R,

Nolen's build is what put the fire under my rearend to get started. I love that thread! What a shame he sold the car. I would have loved to see the finished product.


revin MSG #295, 01-12-2010 01:35 PM
      yeah insulate the garage!! also look at the Home depot or whatever and get the side weatherstrips that attach to the side of the doors and it will help keep the wind from finding a way in there as well.

Oh and a nice fan for the summer heat

nolan has some great tallent there huh! Just thought you may think like me and want to try the foam then cover with your glassing expertize!


Sofa King MSG #296, 01-13-2010 07:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

your glassing expertize!


HUH? My glassing expertise? Have you been the right thread? J/K LOL


Sofa King MSG #297, 01-13-2010 07:53 AM
      As Promised! Here is what arrived in the mail a few days ago!

Look at them boxes!


Complete center console


Dash out of the box


Getting all the pieces to fit


You don't realize how big the dash is until it's sitting in your house!


There were a few cracked areas - but I'm not even worried about that!


Another


This dash is going to used as the test bed to create a new design - I do NOT want to use my original dash - it's in perfect condition. As you know Katatak and I have been bouncing ideas and "one-upping" each other (not really - I like Pat a whole lot) so it's going to be interesting to see what directions we take and how these projects pan out.

I've attached 4 designs that I did for Katatak over the last month or so (the images are of his interior). While I have no intention of taking "his" designs, there are some elements within each that I really like. So I'll be picking and choosing... but then again... I might come up with something completely different... Everybody knows that these projects are ever changing...

Enjoy

This image has a Corvette influence - my favorite thus far - it still has the Fiero look and feel to it


I really like this design but I'm not sure about the flow - it doesn't resemble anything about the Fiero


Side View


With lid open showing radio and A/C


There's something about the simplicity of this design that I like


This one is REALLY curvy. I like the way radio and A/C console sticks up and over the dash


That's it for now. It's supposed to be 55 today! I'm hoping to get something done this afternoon. Knowing my luck... it'll be sanding. I hate sanding. But, I think I'm at the point where I can begin final construction. It's a very exciting time. LOL And then it's onto the door panels and Console Part II

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ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #298, 01-13-2010 11:43 AM
     

I think I like this one the best as it reminds me of the Fiero...
If it were me, I would make the radio opening double-din...
I would also make the center arm rest padded and hinged open (hinge along the passenders side or back) for extra storage...
Duno if it would be possible to do this, but a slide-out cup holder on the pass. side of the shift console (the part you have in white in the above pic). This way, it would be out of the way of your arm/elbow while shifting...

Just my two cents of what I would do "IF" I was capable enough to do something like this


Sofa King MSG #299, 01-14-2010 08:09 AM
      Hi All,

Katatak sent me a link to a product called SEM Texture Spray Paint. The paint system mimics the vinyl and leather look of most interiors although it only comes in black and clear. Has anybody used this product with success? Does anybody know if it can be painted over with another color? If so, we would LOVE to see pics and you opinion(s).

Here is the link to the product:
http://semproducts.com/Catalog.asp?prod=145

Here are some links:

This guy used truck bed coating – kinda the same thing? Good build pics – he did a great job!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4144013

ummmm… another use of the SEM Paint. I admire the work and dedication to the art… but not my color choice.
http://wps.com/AMC/1963-Rambler-American/Interior/

A bunch of SEM Products used
http://www.fordmuscle.com/a...2/ProjectMXInterior/

This is just a great build – the SEM is near the bottom of the first page
http://www.fordmuscle.com/f...ire-restoration.html

A BMW Speaker Build
http://www.diymobileaudio.c...install-mkv-gti.html

The finished product on this build is beautiful!
http://www.mp3car.com/vbull...0-lilliput-dash.html

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Sofa King MSG #300, 01-15-2010 11:54 AM
      Hi All,

As I begin the prep work for the door panels I was looking at the door handle. I don't want to modify the door handle assembly completely so i came up with this simple design - has anybody considered or done this to the existing handle?


Icelander (whit@dubhlinn.com) MSG #301, 01-15-2010 06:22 PM
      One thing to remember about your new rear center console is that the ECU behind it needs ventilation. (Note the vents in the side of the stock one)

I like your designs... They're fantastic. Looking forward to seeing it all come together.



Sofa King MSG #302, 01-15-2010 07:55 PM
      Hi I,

Thanks for the kind words! It's been since I was last out in the garage - it has been really really cold. I'm going to incorporate the vents into the new console. I might have to make some vents into the existing console - not sure how to do that just yet. Again, thanks much!


Sofa King MSG #303, 01-15-2010 08:03 PM
      Hi All,

I've got updates! Without further adooooo...

I removed all the material I used to fill the 12 volt outlet hole.


I did have to go back and create a notch for the plastic outlet cover


I sanded a little more of the glove box


I then took both the lid and the console and shot another layer of primer



The Lid - I'm hoping to get a layer of paint and lay the felt on the inside tomorrow / Sunday


I worked on the armrest / cupholder. The front piece came loose so I applied more resin and filler


Another


More


And another


And one more...


Filler added - lot's of sanding for tomorrow




While those dried I marked out the first measurements for the new radio and A/C console


I couldn't find the X-Acto knife so I sat and sketched out the new ideas / designs




Tomorrow is supposed to rain and I have a few things to do in the house - "Ex" stuff... but I'm hoping to be 90% finished. I know I can get the lid done tomorrow!

Till then!

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BigMike MSG #304, 01-15-2010 09:21 PM
      This is Sofa King Awesome. I am very impressed with your work. You actually made me consider working with fiberglass for the first time. The possibilities are endless! Keep up the great work.

katatak MSG #305, 01-15-2010 11:01 PM
      I have to buy at least 5 more Fiero's - so I can try out all these cool Sofa King design's..... Maybe I'll make them all then build a quick mount system and I can change interiors in a matter of minutes.... A Fiero Transformer! Thanks Greg for sharing your "vision" - truly inspires me.

Pat


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #306, 01-16-2010 03:59 AM
      Idea for ya.
I know on a lot of these custom center consoles, that they only go as high as the stock console in the back. I always thought it might look cool if you raised the top of it to flow into the top of the firewall cover, thing. This would also make a little more room inside of your glove box.


Sofa King MSG #307, 01-16-2010 10:24 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by aeffertz:

Idea for ya.
I know on a lot of these custom center consoles, that they only go as high as the stock console in the back. I always thought it might look cool if you raised the top of it to flow into the top of the firewall cover, thing. This would also make a little more room inside of your glove box.


That's a really good idea! Let me work a few sketches - I like this. I really like this idea...


Sofa King MSG #308, 01-16-2010 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BigMike:

This is Sofa King Awesome. I am very impressed with your work. You actually made me consider working with fiberglass for the first time. The possibilities are endless! Keep up the great work.


LOL! Thanks for the kind words and "play" off the name. LOL! If you're going to jump into fiberglass - DO IT! I'll try to answer as many questions as I can. Katatak, Revin, SourMug and many others can help you - but you have to take those first steps. NOW DO IT! ; )


Sofa King MSG #309, 01-16-2010 10:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I have to buy at least 5 more Fiero's - so I can try out all these cool Sofa King design's..... Maybe I'll make them all then build a quick mount system and I can change interiors in a matter of minutes.... A Fiero Transformer! Thanks Greg for sharing your "vision" - truly inspires me.

Pat


Hey P,

A Fiero Transformer! Now you see? That's thinking outside of the box! But what will his name be? Or is it a her? LOL


Sofa King MSG #310, 01-16-2010 10:33 AM
      UPDATES! Kinda. I woke up early this morning and got started around the house. When I got bored with that I wanted to see how the work I did yesterday turned out. After inspection I was able to get a little sanding and primer in. I'll head back out this afternoon.

Armrest all sanded


Another - I have to admit... the shape is kinda cool looking. What this means is that anything can be fabricated if you have the time and patience - and stop forcing people to change their ideas - PAT! LOL


Shot of Primer


I HATE HOLES!!!! Do you know what this means? More filler... more sanding... more primer... grrrrrrrrr ; )


Another


I was going to abandon the armrest / cupholder but I've already started and I'm so close to finishing. I thought, what the heck, might as well finish. And I really like the shape.

That's it for now. Got to go work on the house!

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katatak MSG #311, 01-16-2010 11:50 AM
      Hey Greg,

Looking good. I hate them damn pin holes. I picked up some "glazing" putty at AZ - it's in a tube and is very thin. I found that it works great for filling in the pin holes. One trick I learned was to make sure that all the sanding dust is cleaned out of the pin holes. Other wise, the putty will come out of the holes. I picked up some "cleaner" in an aerosol can - for prepping the surface - it has a degreaser/wax cleaner. I make sure I blast the pin holes real good. So far - so good. Cuts down on the fill and sand time.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #312, 01-16-2010 07:14 PM
      P,

Good call! I have a bottle of mineral spirits that should work - I just forget to wipe the glass down before primer. DUHHHHH...

Anywho... OK, guys... what do you think of this idea? Many of you have seen this sketch with the concept window, trunk, etc buttons to the left and right of the shifter


I really like this concept but the buttons are not true to the original design of the car - I was inspired by the new Ferrari 458. So, I began to think about all the different buttons GM used in their cars since the 70's and 80's.

And then I remembered these different types of buttons - but notice the chome bevelled swicthes - HOW COOL


Now think about this for a second... The buttons would still be mounted to the left & right of the shifter but it would be a stock GM piece and bring a little bit of chrome into the cabin! I could then chrome the door handles to reflect the chrome buttons and bring balance to the design. AND, I'm still staying within the correct time period of the car.

I'm still thinking about it, but I think it's a cool idea. I'm going to have to come up with a quick sketch to see if it will work.


hksteck84 MSG #313, 01-18-2010 09:44 AM
      looking good..

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #314, 01-18-2010 10:28 AM
      YES! UPDATES! I love it! Great work!

Sofa King MSG #315, 01-18-2010 11:53 AM
      UPDATES!

I got started on the Radio and A/C bezel of the new dash. Just a simple foam core mock up. I also worked on the armrest and cup holder. I'll post much updates before the day is through!

Cutting the foam core and beginning to tape together


I then measured and cut the lines for the first of two curves on the bezel


Test fit


Looking where upper curve cuts begin - Hi Tucker!


Then scribed with an X-Acto


Test Fit before tape


I started to tape at the bottom and then worked my way up. Knowing that the tape would not fit directly to the curve I cut the tape at 1/2 inch intervals - these cuts enabled me to fold the tape and secure


Another


One side complete


On to the other side


Cuts made so tape would fit


All finished with the mock up...


Putting the pieces together


Now... where's that dash? This is nowhere near a final position. Very first thing I had to do is create a support piece for the dash where I can just slide the pieces in and out for easy viewing and modifications. As you can see there's a little too much space in between the bezel and the dash. However... so far so good!


One more - I'm wondering if the upper part is too high?


On to the armrest - I did a little more sanding and cut the lower front piece of the cupholder opening - I needed room for my fingers


Another view


Cup holder open


That's it for right now - LOTS MORE coming!

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Sofa King MSG #316, 01-18-2010 12:25 PM
      OK... this is a REALLY rough sketch of what the chrome window switches "might" look like along with the radio, A/C vents, etc. installed on the console. I don't have my 3D software available to me right now so... Like I said... REALLY ROUGH!!! But... what do you think?

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Sofa King MSG #317, 01-18-2010 05:36 PM
      A Few More Updates!

I was able to fill all the holes in the armrest. I'm going to finish sanding tomorrow after work. I'll cut the holes to mount to the armrest and then finish with a layer of paint.


I was able to sand this and shoot a layer of black paint to the console.


I shot a layer of paint on the lid.


WOW! A lot different from the primer I've been so used to looking at! Remember, the original plan was paint this black or dark grey. I like the black!


After an hour in the sun I mated the two back together - I still can't get used to how dark it is - I got so used to the primer!


I then shot another layer of white gloss to the lid. Check out that shine! I'm not too thrilled with the orange peel. I'm going to wet sand to a mirror like finish.


I begin disassembly of the door panel(s). I started with the passenger side. My instinct was to do the driver side first - but nope, do the passenger side first. That way I'll still be excited to do MY DOOR! LOL First step - remove the sound deadener


PFFFFT... this gonna be easy!


RIGHT! This process was a PITA! GM really adhered the carpet material to the thin pressed particle-board "panel". I had to use the X-Acto knife and slowly cut away at the carpet... ughhhhh... I was hoping to save this... yeah... forget about that.


I was very careful and took my time!


Another


Getting the edges


There were a few weak areas. I'm going to use Elmers wood glue and give the panel a quick coating. I'm not sure how I'm going to proceed just yet - I'm can't decide whether to take a fiberglass mold of the panel or just go forward with it and do great things...


There it is in all its naked glory! Believe it not the vinyl came off fairly easily. I took a pair of plyers and gently pulled the material off the particle-board.


That's it for tonight. Gonna relax and enjoy the quiet.

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Sofa King MSG #318, 01-18-2010 05:44 PM
      Quick Update

OK. I know the front foam core bezel mock up doesn't match the sketch I created. The top of the panel I created using the foam core curves back toward the front of the dash as opposed to curving around the top as the sketched originally showed. I'm going to create a second bezel to match the sketch and see which version I like better. Remember, these plans are ever evolving, changing, morphing, etc and can become very frustrating... You have 20 ideas running through your head...

Anywho. That's it for tonight.


katatak MSG #319, 01-19-2010 01:20 AM
      Man Greg,

You've been busy. I love it. I was loosing motivation for my interior project but I am now fired up to get it done. I like the switches - at least the idea - still not sure about the switches themselves. Reminds me of an old Caddy. The console is looking great and the new mock up is even better. Your concept drawings are crazy but when you can see it come to life in your mock up..... That takes some talent my friend.

Pat



IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #320, 01-19-2010 01:38 AM
      wow !! cant wait till this is all done looks really good!!

Sofa King MSG #321, 01-19-2010 10:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Man Greg,

You've been busy. I love it. I was loosing motivation for my interior project but I am now fired up to get it done. I like the switches - at least the idea - still not sure about the switches themselves. Reminds me of an old Caddy. The console is looking great and the new mock up is even better. Your concept drawings are crazy but when you can see it come to life in your mock up..... That takes some talent my friend.

Pat


Thanks man! I have to admit... there was a short time when I too was losing steam. But like you said, I'm now fired up! I don't want to go to work - I got stuff to do in the garage!

I'm still thinking about the switches on the console. There is definately going to be something there, I just need to find the right switch. As you know, the design is ever changing.


fieroguy123 (fieroguy1@yahoo.com) MSG #322, 01-19-2010 01:47 PM
      I gotta say man, I am really impressed! I can't believe I just sat there and read all 9 pages of this thread but I was learning the whole time and getting sucked into your vision. It's truely inspiring!

Sofa King MSG #323, 01-20-2010 11:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroguy123:

I gotta say man, I am really impressed! I can't believe I just sat there and read all 9 pages of this thread but I was learning the whole time and getting sucked into your vision. It's truely inspiring!


Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'm impressed you made it through all 9 pages... I would have poked my brain with a Q-Tip from all my boring dribble... Again, thanks so much! I should be back out to work this evening. So I'll have more updates!

Thanks again

SK


Sofa King MSG #324, 01-20-2010 02:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALJR:



I think I like this one the best as it reminds me of the Fiero...
If it were me, I would make the radio opening double-din...
I would also make the center arm rest padded and hinged open (hinge along the passenders side or back) for extra storage...
Duno if it would be possible to do this, but a slide-out cup holder on the pass. side of the shift console (the part you have in white in the above pic). This way, it would be out of the way of your arm/elbow while shifting...

Just my two cents of what I would do "IF" I was capable enough to do something like this


Hi A,

I like this design too. And I agree, the armrest will have a hinge openning along the back for that extra storage. The plan is still the same for the cupholder - it'll be mounted into the rear console instead of the armrest. I think I'm going to stick with a stock GM head unit that accepts the iPod / iPhone. I just like the look the stock units - call me weird. A cup holder on the shifter side of the console might be possible. I'll have to find one and see the dimensions before doing anything. Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks much - sorry for not responding earlier.


Sofa King MSG #325, 01-21-2010 07:52 AM
      Just a minor update. I didn't have that much time last night and it was raining so I wasn't really able to paint anything. However, I did sand the console and armrest. And I was able to shoot a light coat of primer on the armrest - this piece is going to be death of me!



Just a little bit more sanding to go


Looking down the barrel


Light sand of the console


Also, I will need to create a vent on either side of the console to dicipate heat from the ECM. I'm not sure whether to create a few simple holes or try to utilize the stock vent covers. They will have to be cut and modified. I do have any extra set that came with the other console. It won't really matter how it looks because the seats hide the sides of the console. Maybe just a simple vent. I'll check out the local home improvement stores and auto parts shops and see what they have. I'll figure it out...


I'm hoping the rain will subside by this afternoon. It is supposed to be nice tomorrow so I'll be to get a lot done!

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Tony Kania MSG #326, 01-21-2010 01:03 PM
      Will the sanding ever end!? Looks spectacular. That console cover kills me everytime that I look at it. Just so modern.

I'm looking at the vent size. Is it larger than the console? Do you have any plans for the dash vents? Maybe go with a vent that will match the rest of the dash?

Tony


Sofa King MSG #327, 01-21-2010 02:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Will the sanding ever end!? Looks spectacular. That console cover kills me everytime that I look at it. Just so modern.

I'm looking at the vent size. Is it larger than the console? Do you have any plans for the dash vents? Maybe go with a vent that will match the rest of the dash?

Tony


Hey Tony,

Thanks for the kind words. As for the sanding? UGH... I have no idea when it will end. But there is a lot of it when you do something like this... The vents... I'm not sure whether to cut up the existing stock vents or just create some simple holes with a screen. As I mentioned the seats will be covering that particular area so I'm not as hard pressed to find the best solution - but I am a perfectionist. I'll check around and see what i can find.

I'm just excited that I'm at the 90% point - I'd like to see it in the car!


revin MSG #328, 01-21-2010 02:25 PM
      dam! looking great!!! I must give up galssin'...cause you are doing better than I now!! student shows up teacher(helpful hints)


Before you get those switches....
mine... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBay...eName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

using for window switches!!!

look here also!
www.conrad.com



katatak MSG #329, 01-21-2010 03:58 PM
      Sanding never ends!

Sofa King MSG #330, 01-21-2010 04:05 PM
      ever ever ever... much like this comment

Sofa King MSG #331, 01-21-2010 10:37 PM
      UPDATES!

I could not be happier with the way this has turned out! I spent a few minutes sanding and the shot a layer of black. Other than a few areas to sand and repaint... The console is 95%... Check it out! The black really makes the entire console POP!

Nice and smooth


I have to get a can flat clear coat to protect all the work I've done


Another view


The black really makes ANY imperfections pop out - which is good because I only found a few - imagine that?


Another - you can see the slight waves at the front of the cup holder


There are a few other pics which highlight the clean lines - but Photobucket is acting up. I'll post those tomorrow. This weekend should be getting the hinge ready and the felt applied to the glove box and lid areas! The final plan is this - the main console and body of the armrest will be painted using the texture Lunitec Paint Systen from Germany - but that's a way off fron now. The decorative piece that goes around the armrest will stay the current color to add contrast to the texture. And of course the lid will be white and high gloss. As I said, I could not be happier.

Until then!

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IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #332, 01-21-2010 11:19 PM
      that looks awesome!!! if you ever get bored you knoww you could always make more than one.. for uhh cough cough ME cough cough

Sofa King MSG #333, 01-22-2010 07:25 AM
      More Images!

As I posted last night - Photobucket finally updated... Here are a few more

This image shows another area where I have to sand


The area around the 12 volt outlet needs a little attention


One more beauty shot - it really turned out nice


OK. Question!!!!!!

Below is a pic of 3 wires that center around the old cig lighter assembly. When I pulled the old lighter I was foolish enough NOT to label which wire goes where - my fault. The new 12 volt outlet I'm installing has 2 prongs. Which wires do I use and what is the extra wire for? Did I make a boo-boo?


Thanks guys!

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Tony Kania MSG #334, 01-22-2010 02:24 PM
      Scanned this for ya...



Tony



Easy8 MSG #335, 01-22-2010 02:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Below is a pic of 3 wires that center around the old cig lighter assembly. When I pulled the old lighter I was foolish enough NOT to label which wire goes where - my fault. The new 12 volt outlet I'm installing has 2 prongs. Which wires do I use and what is the extra wire for? Did I make a boo-boo?


Thanks guys!



The Fiero lighter has a light in it. One of those wires is power to this light. One is ground for the whole assembly and one is power for the lighter. I am currently a few miles (3000 or so) from a Fiero so I cannot tell you which is which. If you have a volt meter or test probe you can check for 12 volts to ground. I am pretty sure the light is controled by the head light switch. One of the wires (probably the smallest) will have 12 volts when the lights are on and not when they are off. One of the other wires will have 12 volts constant. The last wire should have 0 volts and is the ground.



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #336, 01-22-2010 08:12 PM
      Your not going to cover it in leather/ vinyl? It seems like that would be a much more efficient way. You wouldn't need to fill in the imperfections, you wont need to worry about scratching the paint, etc. Just my .02. It turned out great though!

katatak MSG #337, 01-22-2010 09:04 PM
      Very Nice Greg......I am truly impressed! Great Work! ....... Hangs my head in shame - wishing I was that close to being done.....lol!

Pat



katatak MSG #338, 01-22-2010 09:17 PM
      Maybe this will help!



Pat



Sofa King MSG #339, 01-25-2010 07:42 AM
      PERFECT! Thanks!!!

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #340, 01-25-2010 07:49 AM
      So there's gonna be more, right? I hope this thread isn't over!!!

Sofa King MSG #341, 01-25-2010 07:54 AM
      A Few Updates...

Nothing major. I had a lot of personal issues to take care of this weekend - very stressful. But I was able to spray several coats of matte clear finish on to the console. I have to admit that the black paint just makes the console pop especially when the lid is placed on. I can't get over how well it came out. All I will say is this - just when you think you've done enough sanding, there's usually more to do.



Side by Side - Console Part II


Straight On


I love this angle!


A few stray dust particles found their way on to the clear coat - no worries


Another great angle with the lid


One more - as you can see on Console Part II I'm beginning to get all the measuring done


If there is nothing going on this evening I'll be wet sanding the lid, spraying a high gloss clear and then prepping for the felt liner.

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Sofa King MSG #342, 01-25-2010 07:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

So there's gonna be more, right? I hope this thread isn't over!!!


Hi G,

Thanks for the interest. Not to worry. THERES LOTS MORE!!!!! I have the two door panels to work, the center bezel where the radio and A/C unit is and then on to Console Part II. Lot's of neat projects coming up. So stay tuned!


Sofa King MSG #343, 01-25-2010 08:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Your not going to cover it in leather/ vinyl? It seems like that would be a much more efficient way. You wouldn't need to fill in the imperfections, you wont need to worry about scratching the paint, etc. Just my .02. It turned out great though!


Hey G,

The plan is to paint the console (not the lid) and part of the armrest using the Lederoptik German Paint System. I've considered covering it but I think the paint system will work much better because I can get around compound curves and hard to reach areas without the material binding up, coming loose or looking too bulky. The spray system is a 3 part process. You spray a base coat and let it sit for 5-10 minites. Then spray the texture coating and let that sit. Finally, you spray the "leather touch" coating. It's a fantastic product but not available in the US just yet. Here's are a few examples and the website -

http://www.lederoptik.de/index.php?id=32&L=1

Examples I received from the German company:






My favorite!




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Sofa King MSG #344, 01-25-2010 10:29 AM
      Hey G,

I created a quick image of how the Lunitec Paint System will look on my console.The nice thing about the texture paint is that not only is it thin but it also hide any imperfections or areas I might have missed. I will be thrilled if it turns out like this!


I created a few more to see what it would look like with the saddle interior



With all black armrest


Enjoy

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #345, 01-25-2010 08:01 PM
      Okay, thats a fair compromise

Sofa King MSG #346, 01-25-2010 09:01 PM
      Hey All,

Some updates:

I grabbed the lid, a piece of 1000 grit sand paper and set up for some lite sanding. On the lid I used a laquer high gloss paint. I wanted to see how smooth I could get the surface using the 1000 grit paper. Check it out:

Materials


This is how the lid looked after 5 minutes of wet sanding - you can still the orange peel


I then took some regular clear coat safe polish to get that mirror finish...


Check it out - Right Side is sanded, Left Side is after I used the polish. Nice... There is still a little "orange peel" but you get the idea


Another


After that test I went ahead and lightly sanded down the entire lid. I cleaned and washed the polish off and gave it good dry off. I then gave 3 coats of white gloss


Once this dries I will then spray 5 coats of clear with light sanding in between each coat for that mirror finish. You have to be very careful when sanding that you don't sand past the clear or color coats. If that happens it's back to the beginning. I'm probably going to use 1500 grit once the clear coat is sprayed - better safe than sorry

I then found the felt I had purchased at the local fabric store - talk about having to "man up"...


I'm not sure how to approach this - should I try doing one piece or several pieces? The lack of spray mount forced me to think this process a little more. I'll get some spray mount tomorrow.

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Sofa King MSG #347, 01-25-2010 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Okay, thats a fair compromise


LOL The only problem... it's really expensive paint. Katatak and I are looking at getting a group buy going. It'll be a while - we're recovering from the Christmas Holidays.


katatak MSG #348, 01-25-2010 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


LOL The only problem... it's really expensive paint. Katatak and I are looking at getting a group buy going. It'll be a while - we're recovering from the Christmas Holidays.


And Taxes..........

Greg,

Your post above with the console and the Lunitec system is amazing. Any combination of the tan and black is bad ass - I am now thinking of a new interior for the Formula too! Thanks a lot! Like I don't have enough to do without you dreaming and scheming up new things.

P.S. that pic you sent of the AC vent - perfect for a slanted AC surround thingie. Again - awesome work.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #349, 01-26-2010 08:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


And Taxes..........

Greg,

Your post above with the console and the Lunitec system is amazing. Any combination of the tan and black is bad ass - I am now thinking of a new interior for the Formula too! Thanks a lot! Like I don't have enough to do without you dreaming and scheming up new things.

P.S. that pic you sent of the AC vent - perfect for a slanted AC surround thingie. Again - awesome work.

Pat


Hey P,

OH YEAH! I forgot about the taxes... that's where the price killed us!

My favorite color interior has always been tan (leather in particular). There's just something about tan that gives any car a very luxurious look and feel. But that's just my opinion. I didn't mean to get your creative juices flowing. I know you've got the XTC engine to replace and a few other projects lined up. So, from now on. You are not allowed to read any more posts except your own. GOT IT?! Nah, just kidding. I need your input and your vision to keep me motivated and on the right track.

When you say "thinking" of a new interior for your car... are you considering changing the color?


katatak MSG #350, 01-26-2010 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey P,

OH YEAH! I forgot about the taxes... that's where the price killed us!

My favorite color interior has always been tan (leather in particular). There's just something about tan that gives any car a very luxurious look and feel. But that's just my opinion. I didn't mean to get your creative juices flowing. I know you've got the XTC engine to replace and a few other projects lined up. So, from now on. You are not allowed to read any more posts except your own. GOT IT?! Nah, just kidding. I need your input and your vision to keep me motivated and on the right track.

When you say "thinking" of a new interior for your car... are you considering changing the color?


My 88 Formula has the Beechwood interior. It is getting a little rough as most Fiero interiors get. The rear console is faded badly - it's almost a pink color and the usual warping. The headliner is shot too so I am going to need to redo the interior. After drooling over your pic above of the tan with black arm rest, well - I want that for my Formula! Once I finish the mold I am building out of foam core, I will lay on the glass to make a plug that I can hopefully, produce a couple consoles from. My plan is a "base" model that I can add components too to create different looks. I'll need one for each Fiero. The shift and rear will be one piece and I will incorparate (ideas stolen form Sofa King cause I have limitied vision). To finish off each "look" I will have to fab 3 different AC surrounds or for the XTC, a complete dash that incorporates the AC Surround as close to the concept design you did awhile back. That is if I can get the rest of the crap I have to do done...... On ward and upward! Now get busy on those door panels.

Pat

Edit to add: This is the one that I think I need for the Formula but I'm thinking either a lighter tan/brown or black for the lid!

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #351, 01-27-2010 06:38 AM
      Is there more to come?

Sofa King MSG #352, 01-27-2010 08:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


My 88 Formula has the Beechwood interior. It is getting a little rough as most Fiero interiors get. The rear console is faded badly - it's almost a pink color and the usual warping. The headliner is shot too so I am going to need to redo the interior. After drooling over your pic above of the tan with black arm rest, well - I want that for my Formula! Once I finish the mold I am building out of foam core, I will lay on the glass to make a plug that I can hopefully, produce a couple consoles from. My plan is a "base" model that I can add components too to create different looks. I'll need one for each Fiero. The shift and rear will be one piece and I will incorparate (ideas stolen form Sofa King cause I have limitied vision). To finish off each "look" I will have to fab 3 different AC surrounds or for the XTC, a complete dash that incorporates the AC Surround as close to the concept design you did awhile back. That is if I can get the rest of the crap I have to do done...... On ward and upward! Now get busy on those door panels.

Pat


Sounds like a major overhaul! Although most of the interior pieces could probably just use a shot a paint and some clean up. But the warping kills me. I was lucky with my car - not much warping. But I have seen some consoles that are just warped beyond imagination. Thank god for popsicle sticks and super duper strong adhesive!

I'm really happy with the way that concept image turned out. Now all we need is the paint... stupid taxes and high prices of everything! LOL I know you have lots of projects going on but I'm sure I don't have to remind you to post images of all the console builds and interior overhaul? It would be a shame to deprive us of such excitement. WOW... how exciting does that make my life? LOL

I've been tinkering with the plug idea. But I always get confused because there are so many steps. Once the part / piece has been made you then have to make a second piece which is the actual plug. Once that dries, you use that to create all the other molds. It's very confusing. Have you gone to a body shop to price out what it would to cost or are you going to tackle the project yourself?

Finally, like you I'm going to redo the headliner. Mine is sagging and pathetic - I'm talking about the headliner! I'm looking at a few shops around town for some black perforated leather / vinyl. I really like the look - very classy. Depending on how that turns out I might use the same material for part of the door panels. But that's still in the R&D process. The rest of the interior will be removed and either cleaned up or repainted. I don't think I'll use the Lunitec system on most of the parts, but I can't make any decisions until I burn that bridge when I decide to go around it. You know?

About those door panels? YES, SIR!

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Sofa King MSG #353, 01-27-2010 08:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Is there more to come?


Oh yes... LOTS MORE! Stay Tuned


Sofa King MSG #354, 01-27-2010 08:26 AM
      Hi All,

I think I found the console vents needed to cool the ECM. Believe it or not they were sitting right in front of my face... I'll check to see how much air will be circulated but I can also use the actual vents if need be? It's a working idea.


If it works, I'll pull the window vents from the dash, clean them up and incorporate them into the console. You know what this means? More cutting, sanding, painting, sanding, sanding, sanding...

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revin MSG #355, 01-27-2010 12:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:




Use the grill on your new heater!!
or just add a strip of something cool.

I don't like the dash vents, you have come along way making a WAY COOL console, slow down and rethink about it. Sure it won't be seen everybody WILL be looking at the whole console when done....


Sofa King MSG #356, 01-27-2010 04:53 PM
      Hi All,

Here's a sneak peek at another project I'm working on... enjoy!

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katatak MSG #357, 01-27-2010 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Use the grill on your new heater!!
or just add a strip of something cool.

I don't like the dash vents, you have come along way making a WAY COOL console, slow down and rethink about it. Sure it won't be seen everybody WILL be looking at the whole console when done....


I'm with Revin on the vent thing. Take a step back and search the net for some cool vents/grates, etc. Maybe just cut some slits in the side - maybe 3 about 1/4" wide and 4" to 6" long? Then mount some grate or metal screen on the back side?


Sofa King MSG #358, 01-28-2010 08:09 AM
      Hey Guys,

I know you have reservations about the vents. So do I. But here's what it it would look like

Vents


I just taped it on


Head on view - it's not bad looking...


What do you think?


revin MSG #359, 01-28-2010 09:26 AM
      nope still no feeling it.

just by looking at the tape on versoin, I would say a nice 1/2 slit by 4" type of vents there would look cool.

here is some work for ya, make several molds of those little cute vents and glass them together in a slit formation . then you have the vent style you want and a more modern look to them. you know...kinda like strech them a bit longer.

Oh and what do you have that WILL do 180MPH???? looks nice though!!

By slits I mean in this fashion: ( yea still never figured out Xara)

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Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #360, 01-28-2010 10:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hi All,

Here's a sneak peek at another project I'm working on... enjoy!





I'll take two one for the speedo and one for the tach! -Jason



Sofa King MSG #361, 01-28-2010 11:36 AM
      Speaking of which... this is where I am now. I had to make a few modifications. This is a very rough design concept...



Another concept

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katatak MSG #362, 01-28-2010 05:31 PM
      I like the top ones with the Pontiac arrow!

Also: Drop the red "55" on the speedo That number really "dates" the interior in my opinion.

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #363, 01-28-2010 09:08 PM
      Are those vents gonna be large enough? Also, definitely the gauges with the emblem... they are SUH-WEEET!!

Goldenfoot (rt_jb_whittington07@q.com) MSG #364, 01-29-2010 12:48 AM
      Sweet design on the gauges! I say use both. Integrate them into one and use the emblem on the top one for the actual pointer! If you could do that it would look killer!

Sofa King MSG #365, 01-29-2010 09:20 AM
      Hey All,

Thanks for the compliments on the gauges. I had a little down time this morning and worked a few more ideas. I can't get too wrapped up in this project I still have the console to finish, another console to create, door panels and radio bezel to create... And I'm sure somewhere in there I'll be forced to clean the garage! Anywho...

Here is another design. I combined the other designs into this. I'm not sure it matches the overall feel for the Fiero. It is very modern. What do you think?


And then I got to thinking how would the gauges look with a classic vintage design that showcased the old Pontiac Emblem? It might be a bit much, but it's only a concept - but I do love that emblem!


Well... gotta get back to work.

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Sofa King MSG #366, 01-29-2010 09:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

nope still no feeling it.

just by looking at the tape on versoin, I would say a nice 1/2 slit by 4" type of vents there would look cool.

here is some work for ya, make several molds of those little cute vents and glass them together in a slit formation . then you have the vent style you want and a more modern look to them. you know...kinda like strech them a bit longer.

Oh and what do you have that WILL do 180MPH???? looks nice though!!

By slits I mean in this fashion: ( yea still never figured out Xara)

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Dang it Revin...

Why do you always force me to do a better job? UGH... What if I paint them white or black? Will that help?

I might go to the junk yard this weekend, depending on the weather, and see if I can find some other vents. Hey... you know what would work? The defrost vents in the upper part of the dash! The mesh would be perfect! It would have to be cut and shaped... but it just might work. UGH... we always get hung up on the details...

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #367, 01-29-2010 10:47 AM
      I still like the Pontiac with the shadow Pontiac gauges. I do really like the old emblem set, but it wouldn't fit.

revin MSG #368, 01-29-2010 11:15 AM
      sorry.....

katatak MSG #369, 01-29-2010 02:39 PM
      I like the white faced ones with the Pontiac head but it they would look better in a vintage Pontiac / rat rod. I really like the other ones without the "Red 55"....lol

Don't settle on those vents just yet. There is something better out there. I know no one will ever see them but you will now they are there. More importantly, Revin and I will know they are there. Don't take the easy way out.....lol!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #370, 01-30-2010 10:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Don't settle on those vents just yet... Revin and I will know they are there. Don't take the easy way out.....lol!

Pat


LOL! This is why I love you guys... You're honest and to the point... that you're annoying. LOL But... you're right...

We had freezing rain and sleet yesterday and into the morning so I can't go anywhere until this afternoon - it's supposed to warm up. I did buy something that will take place of the felt liner. The felt was too difficult to work with and I couldn't get the cuts right without pulling & stretching the material. The stuff I found is perfect - I'll post pics later today.

I have a few more layers of clear to shoot on to the lid and then I can call that part finished. It'll be cool to attach the Pontiac Logo that last and final time. I'm hoping to go out and find the wrinkle paint and test it on a few scraps pieces like you did.

OH... Happy Birthday

G



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #371, 01-30-2010 10:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I like the white faced ones with the Pontiac head but it they would look better in a vintage Pontiac / rat rod. I really like the other ones without the "Red 55"....lol

Don't settle on those vents just yet. There is something better out there. I know no one will ever see them but you will now they are there. More importantly, Revin and I will know they are there. Don't take the easy way out.....lol!

Pat


I agree with much of what Katatak says. I dislike the red 55 in my Fiero too, the vintage gauges are awesome but dont fit, and the vents may not work.


Sofa King MSG #372, 01-30-2010 11:25 AM
      Hi All,

Here's the latest & greatest. As I mentioned I scraped the "felt" liner idea. I couldn't get clean enough cuts. So, I went back to the hobby store and found foam sheets. I could get them in various colors and sizes. I went ahead and got the grey. And at 79 cents - you can't beat that! And it's great for school projects!





The victim


This stuff is so easy to cut whether it be scissors or an X-Acto


Sample cuts - look at the high gloss shine on the lid


I got the basic shape of the lid by pressing the foam into the edges. The foam retained the shape and then I began to cut away the material until I got a nice snug fit


Nice smooth cut


First piece down...


Be back soon

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Sofa King MSG #373, 01-30-2010 11:54 AM
      Another quick update...

I was able to cut the foam for back back portion of the main console. This stuff is great! You can write on with pencil, fold it to find the creases, and strech it (just a little bit)

I pressed the foam into the console and then cut the basic shape. I then pressed the edges down to find the folds that go into the upper portion of the console


I have not adhered the foam yet so it's not exactly flat against the console


I then cut another piece to fit the lower portion of console where the lid "lift" is. Again, I used a pencil and pressed the to foam against the console to find the edges


TaDa!!!! If these turn out not to be perfect I can recut the foam using another piece. And at 79 cents... pfffffft. I can make LOTS of mistakes.


I'm debating whether to do the edges or not.

That's it for now. The weather is still bad out so I cant do any fiberglassing and it's really cold. I'm going to wet sand the lid and then get another layer of clear gloss. More pics coming. Can you feel the end coming? I can! But I still need to find vents for the side of the console. I thought I had found some. But NOOOOOOOOO... LOL

Quick Note: Looking at this console... I know there is nothing I can "realisitically" put into the glove box but it nice to finish off and make it look clean. I can create a little pocket similar to the stock unit - but why? Is it necessary? Afterall, this was my first attempt at fiberglassing and everything else involved. More attention will be put into Console Part II to include the armrest.

Ok... there's my disclaimer. LOL

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Sofa King MSG #374, 01-30-2010 12:16 PM
      Another idea... Let me know what you think... this is kinda goofy... but.... hmmmmm? As I mentioned, the foam comes in various colors: red, blue, green, black, etc... and is REALLY easy to cut and work with. What if I cut, using red or white foam, the Pontiac Logo in the center?

Is this too goofy?


Sofa King MSG #375, 01-30-2010 02:13 PM
      Update:

I wet sanded the lid and gave it another coat of high gloss clear.

I also took the two pieces of foam I cut for the console and decided to create one piece instead. I just placed them end to end and then traced along the edges. You can see the pencil line near the bottom - I'm too thrilled about that and I might cut a new piece.

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Sofa King MSG #376, 01-30-2010 11:04 PM
      Updates:

The painting of the lid is finished! However, I forgot to spray the inside of the lid black. No big deal. I'll mask off the outside and spray a quick layer and then lay the foam and then finally adhere the Pontiac Logo! So, the bulk of the work is finished. The lid will be done tomorrow. VERY COOL.

I spent the last hour wet sanding, polishing and the applying a nice layer of wax to the lid. I'm thrilled with the results.

Wet sanded


After Polishing


Final coat of Wax

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katatak MSG #377, 01-30-2010 11:15 PM
      See, if you put your mind to it, you can always come up with a better alternative. The foam sheet is 100 times better than the felt. I like the Pontiac arrow idea - maybe a little smaller though. As a side note.... The shot of the foam with the "flame" cuts! Fill the cut out with red or orange? Just a thought.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #378, 01-31-2010 08:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

See, if you put your mind to it, you can always come up with a better alternative. The foam sheet is 100 times better than the felt. I like the Pontiac arrow idea - maybe a little smaller though. As a side note.... The shot of the foam with the "flame" cuts! Fill the cut out with red or orange? Just a thought.

Pat


The foam is so much easier to work with. I like the felt but as I mentioned - if you're trying to get perfect cuts the felt is just too difficult to work. The flame cuts on the foam, I thought the exact same thing after I cut them - great minds... I'll try getting some today if the hobby stores are open - we have 2 of them in town and I can never remember if they're open on Sunday. I'm also off to find the wrinkle paint.


Sofa King MSG #379, 01-31-2010 09:02 AM
      Small Update

I masked off the lid this morning. I made sure to press down the tape along the edges so the black spray would not bleed over onto the white. It's not really a big deal if it does, I can always polish the paint off - that's why I waxed it. The wax creates a small barrier between the black spray paint and the clear coat on the lid. I then shot a quick layer of flat black paint. It should be ready to accept the foam and Pontiac Logo with I get back.

Masked off


Shot of black


That's it for now

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Sofa King MSG #380, 01-31-2010 11:03 AM
      Updates:

As you many of you know I have been planning to use the "Lunitec" Spray texture paint system from Germany. I think thats going to change. I took a long look at the interior and unfortunately there are no textures, other than the actual vinyl, in the car that simulate either leather or vinyl. The texture is in fact a wrinkle pattern. You can see the wrinkle pattern on the aftermarket parts I received from the Fiero Store - the cubby (sits in front of the radio) and the shifter surround. However, it is also visible on the dash, pillars, and any other plastic part of the interior.

Parts


Close up of texture


Another


While this might seem like a set back... it's not. I love the look and possibilities of the Lunitec paint system but it would seem silly to have several competing textures throughout the interior. As you know I'm trying to achieve a stock look and feel throughout the car - plus I would be saving a couple hundred dollars. So, I did a little research and found the VHT Wrinkle Paint. It's used primarily for engines but several people have used this product for their interiors with complete success! It sprays glossy but a shot of flat clear coat would take care of that and add extra protection from wear & tear.

Paint


To say I'm nervous using this paint is an UNDERSTATEMENT! I've spent a lot of time on this console... the last thing i want to do is mess it up. So, I took two pieces of scrap glass and sprayed a quick layer on top - one smooth side and the other a rough side. The directions say to wait at least 2 hours before the texture appears - great!. For a thicker texture they suggest multiple layers.

Pieces of glass
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So now we play the waiting game. Once it dries I will compare with the stock textures. This will tell me several things: 1) does the texture match 2) do I need to apply more layers of paint

That's it for now. OH! I'm still waiting for the paint to dry on the lid.

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Sofa King MSG #381, 01-31-2010 05:23 PM
      The Lid is FINISHED!!!! I just spray mounted the foam to the inside of the lid and used 3M double stick tape for the Pontiac Logo. Man-o-man... it looks really good! I never thought this day would come. One part down one to go... technically...

Lid with the newly spray mounted foam liner


With the newly taped Pontiac Logo


Just waiting for the hinge and the final layers of paint


Another view


The beauty shot


revin MSG #382, 02-01-2010 11:10 AM
      Man o man that looks SWEET!!!!( even without vents )

Just take what we say as a grain of fiberglass. This is YOURS and what you do for a final out come will be nothing less of stellar!

you do have some great talent there! maybe you should go into the console making job!

when do we get to see the"test fit" pics???


Sofa King MSG #383, 02-01-2010 11:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Man o man that looks SWEET!!!!( even without vents )

Just take what we say as a grain of fiberglass. This is YOURS and what you do for a final out come will be nothing less of stellar!

you do have some great talent there! maybe you should go into the console making job!

when do we get to see the"test fit" pics???


Hey R,

LOL!!! First and foremost. A big kudos to you for all the great advice you've given throughout this build. You made some great suggestions that really helped. And thanks for the kind words. I'm absolutely thrilled with the lid (and build) so far. I'm hoping when I test fit the cole everything looks good, fits, works, etc. I think I'm going to test fit the console this afternoon, get the bolts cut and the hinge mounted and apply some foam to areas that might rub. For all intent and purposes - I might "technically" be finished! As for a going into business? I have thought about it. I might put together a simple armrest with integrated cup holder for the stock console and I might reporoduce Console Part II depending how well that turns out. Lots of ideas!

But... I'm not "technically" done yet!

UPDATE!!!!

I'm still waiting to see how the texture paint turns out. I've had to spray 4 layers so far just to get the texture "activated" so I can see it. So far, I'm not impressed. I really don't know what to do if this texture doesn't work. I might go back to the Lunitec Paint System. I guess I could sand down all the surfaces of the dash, pillars, etc and then spray with the Lunitec? It's just an idea so far. I should know how the texture looks when I get home - let's hope for the best.


revin MSG #384, 02-01-2010 12:34 PM
      I have never tried this:

The guys that add texture in homes, spray the bumpity spackle on THEN with the float(or trowl) they kinds smash/ smooth out the large bumps and get that texture you see on walls.

Home depot sells some kind of texture paint. maybe you can test this theroy on a scrap piece?


Oh and don't rush the ART !!


stryker (johnnkelly@windstream.net) MSG #385, 02-01-2010 12:34 PM
      you might want to try the sem texture spray or the bed liner spray.make sure you use the hercules and not rustolems. it is to thin and wont leave a texture. the sem is nice because you can wet sand it to get the right texture you desire.i final got emailed back on the leather spray from them.WOW shipping is a killer!! thanks for your info on it too!

John


Sofa King MSG #386, 02-01-2010 12:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stryker:

you might want to try the sem texture spray or the bed liner spray.make sure you use the hercules and not rustolems. it is to thin and wont leave a texture. the sem is nice because you can wet sand it to get the right texture you desire.i final got emailed back on the leather spray from them.WOW shipping is a killer!! thanks for your info on it too!

John


Hey J,

Yeah... the tax is what stopped me and Katatak dead in our tracks. That's why we're hoping for a group buy? But he did say something about a distributor in Philly?

I've looked in the SEM paint but again, it's not quite the texture I want. I really like the Lunitec paint. We'll see what happens?


Sofa King MSG #387, 02-01-2010 01:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

I have never tried this:

The guys that add texture in homes, spray the bumpity spackle on THEN with the float(or trowl) they kinds smash/ smooth out the large bumps and get that texture you see on walls.

Home depot sells some kind of texture paint. maybe you can test this theroy on a scrap piece?


Oh and don't rush the ART !!


Hey R,

Basically what that is like the "popcorn" texture they spray on the ceiling. The contractors just float a trowl over top to knock the high points off. It really wouldn't work. If would give the appearance of the part looking like stone. Also, it's very soft so it would require a "shellac" finish to it. I can exactly where you were headed. But I already looked at it. LOL



revin MSG #388, 02-01-2010 03:29 PM
      hummm ok how about this:

spray on the regular paint, then get some platic wrap and wad it up and set it on the fresh paint for a visual wrinkle finish? nah maybe not. too much work involved and to be consistant would be a bear....


Oh what about getting the dash mat off a old dash, lay down some fresh resin, add a release agent to the dash pad and set it in the resin?? when dry ,you pull the pad off and a copy of teh texture would be left behind!! No sanding


that is all for today......I will put my thinking cap back in a box and slide it under the bed for now.......


Sofa King MSG #389, 02-01-2010 04:12 PM
      Hey Rev,

All great ideas. But as you stated - consistency. That's the key. I'm looking into alternative textures as well. Very frustrating.


Sofa King MSG #390, 02-01-2010 04:15 PM
      TEST FIT!!!!!!

Check it out. That turned out really nice.

Without the armrest


With


Hey! A cupholder


Another view


OK. Now for the bad news... The texture paint worked - but not as well as I would like. As Katatak would say "... it looks like caca..."
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So. With the texture not working I have to go back to the drawing board. I am however going to add several more thick coats of clear to protect the console. I will also place foam on the bottom of the armrest as to not scratch the console. I then have to drill the holes to mount the actual armrest and that's going to be a buger! I'm not sure how I'm going to get my hand into armrest to tighten the bolts - maybe wing nuts? I'm still thinking and moving forward.

I have some personal things to take care of so I may not get the armrest mounted this evening. BAHHHH

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Sofa King MSG #391, 02-01-2010 04:26 PM
      I might have just found something but I'm not sure. It called Textured Contact Paper. The stuff I found is Black Faux Leather Contact Paper. Here's the link:

http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=1850752

I also found this:
http://www.designyourwall.c...00x1923-pr-2111.html

Calling All Cars! Has anybody worked with this stuff? I'll be doing more research... I'm not going to get my hopes up.

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #392, 02-01-2010 04:31 PM
      I still dont see why you dont just use vinyl. It would look nice, be easy to install/ fix, and its cheap.

Sofa King MSG #393, 02-01-2010 04:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

I still dont see why you dont just use vinyl. It would look nice, be easy to install/ fix, and its cheap.


Hey G,

I think the vinyl would be too thick and there are lots of compound curves - but you're right. Maybe I should drop by one of the local shops and see what they can do for me - at the very least! Looks like I have a field trip tomorrow.

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #394, 02-01-2010 06:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey G,

I think the vinyl would be too thick and there are lots of compound curves - but you're right. Maybe I should drop by one of the local shops and see what they can do for me - at the very least! Looks like I have a field trip tomorrow.



Oh, I see what you mean. I didn't think about that. Well, no matter what, its gorgeous!


katatak MSG #395, 02-01-2010 09:24 PM
      Hey Greg,

Looks great! 2 words for your fastner dilema! Well Nuts! If you are going to put a layer of foam on the bottom, you can "countersink" the head of the well nut into the foam and it will sit nice and level - Home Depot or Lowes has then in various sizes. Could also use fender "C" nuts. Bolts/screws come from the bottom side of the console??????? Get back to work!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #396, 02-02-2010 07:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Hey Greg,

Looks great! 2 words for your fastner dilema! Well Nuts! If you are going to put a layer of foam on the bottom, you can "countersink" the head of the well nut into the foam and it will sit nice and level - Home Depot or Lowes has then in various sizes. Could also use fender "C" nuts. Bolts/screws come from the bottom side of the console??????? Get back to work!

Pat


Good call. I'll check that out today.


Sofa King MSG #397, 02-02-2010 07:49 AM
      Check it out... I've started a new project! I know I know... I was supposed to bolt the armrest to the console. I need to get black foam before I do anything. I really want to protect the console from scratches.

Visual Plans


I spent a little time sanding the carpet remnants off


And then used wood glue in certain areas (I could have glassed but that's too much effort)


I'm also going to give this texture paint one more shot to see if it works


Not a huge major update but I have started on the door panels - yeaaa. I'm debating whether to just lay a thin layer of fiberglass over the entire outer structure. This will give it rigidity and set up for more glassing? I dunno... still thinking about it. If anybody has any suggestions on door panel fabrication - please let me know.

Here's the sad part... I really "do" have to clean the garage. LOL

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #398, 02-02-2010 05:22 PM
      Yay! Part II of the interior build!

Icelander (whit@dubhlinn.com) MSG #399, 02-02-2010 10:27 PM
      I don't think you're going to find any type of spray that will match the existing plastic texture. Another option might be to spread silicone caulk over a coated example piece and use it as a mold. Put a thick layer of resin on the piece and slap the mold on top. See what comes of it.



Sofa King MSG #400, 02-03-2010 11:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Icelander:

I don't think you're going to find any type of spray that will match the existing plastic texture. Another option might be to spread silicone caulk over a coated example piece and use it as a mold. Put a thick layer of resin on the piece and slap the mold on top. See what comes of it.



Hey Ice,

I was very unhappy with the last texture paint. I wasn't expecting much because it was originally designed for engines not for interior parts. I've decided to just leave the console flat black for right now until I have enough money to get the Lunitec Paint. When the time comes I'll remove all the interior parts and give them light sand and then spray them as well. It seems to be the only solution right now - but things might change.



Sofa King MSG #401, 02-03-2010 11:40 PM
      UPDATES!!!!

The lid is installed BUT!!!!!!!! Before I get into the BUT. I laid the new foam onto the armrest and the inside of the console.

Armrest




This angle show the difficulty I'm going to have getting hands into the little area


Laying the foam into the console was NOT easy. You have to spray both sides (foam and the console) in order to get proper adhesion. MAN... phhhhhttttt... It was not fun...


I would have thought this would be an easy cut - NOPE. I laid a little bit of foam here to protect the console from the shifter plate


OK... Here's the "BUT". I'm very disapointed with myself. I measured the bolts that go into the hinge wrong. When I tightened the bolts to the console they pushed through the other side... UGHHHH. I'm not going to fix it now becuase I want to enjoy having center console again. But... DANG IT!!!!

Proof


I mismeasured both sides


BUT! The lid is now installed. Tomorrow - the armrest




Lifting the lid to show how nice the new foam looks


In the car all installed


From the exterior looking in


Also, I went ahead and painted a few interior pieces the same flat black to help give a uniform look. While the textures might not match at least the color is the same. I'm really happy so far - except for the bolts. GRRRRRRRRR!!!! NOTE: I did NOT paint the pieces inside. It was a little cold so I brought the table inside to stink up the house - but I did NOT paint inside the house.


This weekend? The door panels. I've been looking at how I'm going to attack this project and taking notes... more to come!

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katatak MSG #402, 02-04-2010 12:54 AM
      Phase 2 has begun........

P.S. It's snowing in Pueblo right now!


Sofa King MSG #403, 02-04-2010 08:09 AM
      Phase II - giggidy giggidy!

I got a PM from one of our fellow PFF members. Stryker passed this info on to me. It's a process called "flocking" - - VERY COOL STUFF!. Thanks Stryker for the GREAT info! This stuff would have been perfect for under the lid and inside the glovebox!

http://www.flockit.co.uk/index.html

This opens up ALL new doors and possibilities...

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stryker (johnnkelly@windstream.net) MSG #404, 02-04-2010 09:11 AM
      this is where to get it in the us,very nice people.most stores sell their product.
www.donjer.com


john


Sofa King MSG #405, 02-04-2010 09:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

It's snowing in Pueblo right now!


LUCKY!!!!!!! I'm a DC transplant living in Alabama... The DC area is getting hammered with snow and now you guys too? I miss it!


katatak MSG #406, 02-05-2010 09:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stryker:

this is where to get it in the us,very nice people.most stores sell their product.
www.donjer.com


john


Was just roaming around the site looking at this stuff. Looks interesting and it's not expensive. I'm thinking Headliner? - Maybe the Dash? or maybe my Console??????

Here's the funny thing..... Check out this pic I found on the site:


Sofa King MSG #407, 02-07-2010 05:53 PM
      Hey All,

Sorry no updates this weekend. I had to work on Sat and it is Super Bowl Sunday... I gotta eat too much food, watch too much football and then have WAY too much gas...

I should get started this week!

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TXGOOD MSG #408, 02-07-2010 11:21 PM
      Just my .02 but I like your painting better than flocking.
I just think if you are going to have something "fuzzy" it should be limited to the floor
and the bottom part of the door panels ie carpet.
Mike


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #409, 02-10-2010 09:48 AM
      Where's all the updates???

Rivethead MSG #410, 02-10-2010 04:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

Just my .02 but I like your painting better than flocking.
I just think if you are going to have something "fuzzy" it should be limited to the floor
and the bottom part of the door panels ie carpet.
Mike


I agree.


Sofa King MSG #411, 02-11-2010 07:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Where's all the updates???


Hey All,

Sorry for the lack of forward progress. It's been really cold, wet and snowy these last couple of weeks. Not to worry, I still plan on moving forward but it's got to warm up just a little bit. However, I have been slacking on getting the armrest installed - I've been enjoying the console so much I don't want to remove it from the car LOL. I'll try to hit that tonight or tomorrow. I've also been meaning to create a armrest/cupholder that would mount on the stock armrest console - possibly for sale?


Tony Kania MSG #412, 02-11-2010 01:46 PM
      I bet that you could make it! The installed pics are awesome. Nice look.

CowsPatoot MSG #413, 02-12-2010 02:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
Here's the funny thing..... Check out this pic I found on the site:


http://www.donjer.com/cars.htm
Top pic....Looks like Archie could tell us about how well it works. Their site left me wondering how this looks in real life....after seeing that pic, and remembering his dash from the 25th Anniversary...I guess I know now.


Sofa King MSG #414, 02-14-2010 12:30 PM
      GOT SOME UPDATES!

FINALLY!!!!! I got the armrest attached to the console and wired the new 12v power outlet. I'm kinda embarassed - it only took about 15 minutes. I have no idea why I procrastinated and took so long. I did however decided to just use screws to attach the armrest. If it ever comes loose I'll go ahead and enlarge the holes and attach with bolts, washers and lock nuts. And then, when funds become more readily available, or something else comes up, I'll get the Lunitec paint system and the console will be officially finished - but as of right now - she's done! I also went ahead and painted the cup holder to match the flat black I used on the console.

The first thing I did was tape the armrest to the console


Then just "eyeballing" where to drill


Painting the cup holder


Check out the little red light! SUCCESS!


Once the paint dries and I'm able to shoot a few layers of clear I'll have a working cupholder.

OK... the door panels. I've been trying to figure out exactly how to tackle this project without destroying the basic shape of the particle board door panel and I think I've hit the final stumbling block. I have several obstacles - the most important is saving the mounting areas to ensure the panel properaly mounts to the door.

As we know, the goal is to create 2 separate pieces with different textures that will join together on the door panel. If you look at the door panel below there are two basic surfaces: the "leather" surface and the smooth white surface - exactly like the center console I just finished. The difference is the lid on the console was a separate piece and hinged to the console. So painting was very easy. But in this case I'm working with two parts that are essentially joined together but have a different texture. As you can see... it's a little confusing.



Do I:
1) create one panel and then mask off the areas to paint? 2) create one panel and try to create a "cut line" making it feel like two pieces or 3) actually create 2 separate pieces?

If I go with idea #1 - that's a cop out and I won't get the look I want. #2 might work but I have to be very careful and ensure the "cut line" looks even. #3 is probably the best way to go but I have to ensure that each piece lines up, the edges are smooth and they're not going to come undone and separate... As you can see - confusing. My gut tells me #2 is the way to go...

If anybody has any ideas at all please HELP! LOL

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Sofa King MSG #415, 02-14-2010 01:09 PM
      Here it is all installed. It's weird... technically, other than paint, I never have to remove this piece again. LOL Kinda sad when you think about it...

Upclose. The area directly under the cupholder works perfectly for my fingers


Closer


Out of PURE LUCK the lid openned and aligned itself with the shifter plate - very cool! And very lucky


HEY! It's official, I have a cup holder! And I found that if I move the little 12V plastic lid out of the way, both cupholders worked perfectly!


That's it for now. I've got another little project I'm working that I think might entice the masses... Till next time!

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Tony Kania MSG #416, 02-14-2010 01:19 PM
      BUILD, AND SELL THE CUP HOLDER/ARMREST THING! That is too perfect. I can see folks wanting that look, along with funcionallity. The last pics are gamechangers.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #417, 02-14-2010 01:52 PM
      NIce work. At first I thought it was a built-in laptop in the armrest.

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #418, 02-14-2010 03:30 PM
      Looks awesome!
Are you going to keep the door panels the grey and white? I think it would look good if you kept it that color scheme instead of the black and white. From what I've learned about black and white interiors, it tends to look cheap and like a skunk, haha. Just some of my thoughts.
Keep up the good work!


Rivethead MSG #419, 02-14-2010 04:36 PM
      Just my opinion but, I would stick with the flat black paint. It really looks good. I realize the textures don't match but I don't think the Lunitec stuff really does either from the pictures. I think if you experimented with spray on bed liner a little bit you could match the surface better than with Lunitec. To my eye, that stuff looks kind of cheesy with sort of an antique leather grain. The smooth flat black is clean, simple and modern and highlights the beauty and quality of your work. (Which by the way is incredible)

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #420, 02-14-2010 04:54 PM
      That's cool.

I got my equipment from Jill at donjer a few years ago.

The Fiero parts she has on her website are various parts we gave her.

She has one of our headliners that we flocked that she she uses in her show display

In fact one of her demo videos, is of Kris flocking that headliner.

In fact, here's a pic from her site taken at my place. http://www.donjer.com/cpshowto.htm

There are a few other pics taken at my shop.

It's a small world.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Was just roaming around the site looking at this stuff. Looks interesting and it's not expensive. I'm thinking Headliner? - Maybe the Dash? or maybe my Console??????

Here's the funny thing..... Check out this pic I found on the site:

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katatak MSG #421, 02-14-2010 06:06 PM
      It turned out very nice Greg. Can't wait to see what's next!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #422, 02-16-2010 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

BUILD, AND SELL THE CUP HOLDER/ARMREST THING! That is too perfect. I can see folks wanting that look, along with funcionallity. The last pics are gamechangers.


Hey T,

Thanks for the kind words. I have to admit that I did NOTHING all weekend (except for the armrest). I actually sat and watched classic movies - you know those right passage movies? Stripes, Caddyshack, Back to School, and some old films from the 30's and 40's... Like I said... I did nothing and I enjoyed it.

Tonight will be different. I have a stock armrest that I'm going to use to see if I can mockup an armrest similar to mine that will incorporate a cupholder. I'll take detailed pics of the foam core build as I go. My only concern is the glovebox lid. But I think I can work around that.


Sofa King MSG #423, 02-16-2010 10:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:

Looks awesome!
Are you going to keep the door panels the grey and white? I think it would look good if you kept it that color scheme instead of the black and white. From what I've learned about black and white interiors, it tends to look cheap and like a skunk, haha. Just some of my thoughts.
Keep up the good work!


The plan right now is fairly simple. The center console(s) , like the dash, will remain black. The carpet and seat covers are grey and my original idea was to keep the door panels grey as well. However... I have to admit, I absolutely love the black /grey and Tuscan leather look. See below



If I had my way and money was no object I would change out my seat covers to a two tone black and tuscan leather, the carpet would be black and the door panels would have the tuscan leather. All the rest of the interior would stay the same to include the white lid on the console and the white on the door panels - although I'm not sure how that would look.

As I have always said, this is ever changing and evolving as I go forward so in the end, I have no idea what the final look will be. I do agree with you - it is very tough to do an all black interior - especially gloss black.


Sofa King MSG #424, 02-16-2010 10:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rivethead:

Just my opinion but, I would stick with the flat black paint. It really looks good. I realize the textures don't match but I don't think the Lunitec stuff really does either from the pictures. I think if you experimented with spray on bed liner a little bit you could match the surface better than with Lunitec. To my eye, that stuff looks kind of cheesy with sort of an antique leather grain. The smooth flat black is clean, simple and modern and highlights the beauty and quality of your work. (Which by the way is incredible)



Hey R,

I agree with you 100% I think the flat black look really sets off the interior. And thank you for the very kind words. If done correctly, I think the Lunitec Paint system could work miracles for the interior. The trend for interiors now is going with that hard plastic look similar to the bedliner. And while I do like the look, I'm trying to stay true to the period, look and feel of the car. That's not to say I'm not going to test the bedliner texture or anything else that might help. I think the bedliner texture would work on the pillar and door sill pieces - again staying with the flat black. hmmmmmm.... now you got me thinking...

Thanks again for the kind words and please keep those ideas coming!

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Sofa King MSG #425, 02-16-2010 10:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

It turned out very nice Greg. Can't wait to see what's next!

Pat


Thanks, man. I'm just waiting for it to warm up - even a little bit. It has been REALLY cold. And you know how tough it is to work with resin that flows like molasses ...


Sofa King MSG #426, 02-17-2010 02:00 PM
      Hey Gang,

What do you think of this concept image?



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #427, 02-17-2010 04:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey Gang,

What do you think of this concept image?



I likes. But brown? Is that gonna fit with the rest?


Sofa King MSG #428, 02-18-2010 07:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:


I likes. But brown? Is that gonna fit with the rest?


I think it will. Look at the image right above the door panel - it's a Hyundai Veracruz interior. I think the black, silver trim and the tuscan leather work really well together.


Sofa King MSG #429, 02-18-2010 08:03 AM
      Minor Update

Hey Gang,

I started to mock up a armrest/cupholder for the "stock" console. I don't have a complete "cup holder" to use so I have to eyeball this one using the part I can remove from the cupholder I used. There are a lot of irregular curves to the stock console so this should be a very interesting build.

Foam core is a great thing - I still have lots of cutting and mod'ing to do


Another angle


Side view - What is difficult to see is how the glove lid interferes with the armrest. It opens down causing a little bit of stress on the armrest. Because the foam is so thick, these issues would be addressed with the actual fiberglass piece


Head on view - you can see how irregular the shape is


Well I'll Be... it does pay to work with foam core... I wonder how long it's been in there?


That's it for now. The weather is "supposed" to warm up this weekend. Let's hope it's warm enough to get back to fiberglassing


katatak MSG #430, 02-18-2010 10:23 PM
      Ha..... See there Greg? You already made a dime!

Sofa King MSG #431, 02-20-2010 09:13 PM
      UPDATES

What a great day it was today - NICE AND WARM. I was NOT going to let a day like this pass me by. I did A LOT of work. I removed a lot of the interior this afternoon. I've decided to paint the trim flat black. I really like the look. Krylon now offers their "Plastic Spray Paint" in flat black - sweet. I also removed the headliner. I went to the local hobby center yesterday a bought a square yard of black vinyl - 7 bucks! So, I'm going to redo the headliner. I had to reinforce the headliner with a little bit of fiberglass. Tomorrow I'll sand it down so it's nice and smooth and then get the new liner placed. I also laid glass over the door panel. Like the console, I'm just going to wing it! I could think the process to death and never get anywhere - so why not just move forward, right?

When I removed the trim piece that goes around the upper part of the door toward the windshield I broke the two clips that connect to the roof and cracked the piece almost in half. Can anybody tell me how I'm supposed to remove this without breaking it? I still have the passenger side to do and I don't want to mess it up (I'll post this on the Technical Thread as well). I live about 10 miles from the Fiero Factory so I'm going to make a parts run on Monday and get a new part and a few other goodies. I'm also toying with the idea of putting a push button starter in the car. Check this out. I don't have a window defroster. So I'm going to use that slot to install a push button starter using a standard power window button - I'm still thinking the idea but I think it has potential.

Interior trim painted - you can see the difference between the stock color and the black


Both looking nice and painted


Door Panel with Glass


Starting to remove the old headliner


TaDa


With a layer of glass - when I smooth this out and get the vinyl placed it'll make all the difference in the world


A little teaser for ya - can you guys figure out what I'm thinking about doing here?


MUCH more tomorrow. It's "supposed" to be nice again so I'm going to get started early!

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Sofa King MSG #432, 02-20-2010 09:47 PM
      Just a quick note...

I was really moved by everybody's kindness and generosity helping Tyler get his dream car to become a reality. It says a lot about the human spirit. When Tyler left this world, I was upset. Upon reading the announcement I actually hit my desk and said "No!"... Naturally, what we all feel about Tyler's passing is NOTHING to what the Shipman family must be going through - and all my prayers are with them. When I was outside today enjoying the first beautiful weather of the year, I thought about Tyler. I stopped what I was doing and I thought how friggin unfair and cruel life can sometimes be. I'm going to be 41 in just a few weeks and these past few months have been pretty rough for me personally. But I'm more than twice Tyler's age when he left this world. At nine years old Tyler had lived half his life. That alone helps put things into perspective. At least for me.

I'm not trying to be preachy or gushy or anything like that. Tyler meant a lot to all of us even though a majority of us never knew or even met him. But his fight was our fight. His cause was our cause. That's the human spirit. I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter how bad things get or you're frustrated because you can't find a part or afford a new paint job, or you had a fight with you wife or girlfriend... think about Tyler and his family. Appreciate the things you have. More importantly, live life to the fullest.

Finally, I have no doubt Tyler is cruisin' in style... and not a single stop sign or traffic light as far as the eye can see...

Thanks


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #433, 02-21-2010 12:59 PM
      Hmmm, it's nice out up here for a change, so I'm guessing it's nice wherever you are!
Can't wait for the update.


Sofa King MSG #434, 02-21-2010 06:58 PM
      UPDATES!

I was able to get most of the headliner finished today. I didn't get as far as would like and I might have to get a new piece of vinyl. The piece of vinyl I purchased was near the very end of the role and has creases that I can get out. Total price for the vinyl and padding was under 10 bucks. I also installed the painted trim pieces but didn't get around to the other side so I have multicolored interior. This is where I am right now...

I sanded the healiner down for about an hour - I actually enjoyed it


Another


This is the vinyl... I thought I could get the creases out


Up close - not good. Can't really get it out


After cleaning the fiberglass I sprayed with adhesive and started laying the padding on the headliner


Nice


Another


Up close


Whoever said laying vinyl is easy was... WRONG. This is not easy at all. But the creases are really bothering me. I may just start over


You can really see the creases - not finished yet


From afar - you can see the work beginning on the door panel


Tomorrow I'm headed to the Fiero Factory to get a few goodies. I'm also going to see if i can find another piece of vinyl. The hobby center I got the vinyl from may not have ordered or received a new shipment so I may have to run around town.

That's it for today.


katatak MSG #435, 02-21-2010 10:13 PM
      Looking good Greg! I sat in the house all weekend nursing a head cold. Got zero done this weekend.... I feel beaten!

Pat


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #436, 02-21-2010 11:09 PM
      I know what you mean about recovering the headliner.

I recently recovered my Grand Am headliner with some leather. It's extremely hard to get every curve and humps without creating wrinkles. I did my headliner in 4 sections, and that worked pretty well. (divided it in half horizontally and vertically)


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #437, 02-22-2010 06:44 AM
      It's looking amazing! What kind of paint did you use to paint the interior panels? Thats on my to-do.

Sofa King MSG #438, 02-22-2010 08:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Looking good Greg! I sat in the house all weekend nursing a head cold. Got zero done this weekend.... I feel beaten!

Pat


Take it easy and get lots of rest. Spring is coming and you know what that means?


Sofa King MSG #439, 02-22-2010 08:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:

I know what you mean about recovering the headliner.

I recently recovered my Grand Am headliner with some leather. It's extremely hard to get every curve and humps without creating wrinkles. I did my headliner in 4 sections, and that worked pretty well. (divided it in half horizontally and vertically)


Post some pics - would love the see it


Sofa King MSG #440, 02-22-2010 08:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

It's looking amazing! What kind of paint did you use to paint the interior panels? Thats on my to-do.


Krylon now offers their "Plastic Spray Paint" in flat black. Be sure to the clean parts before painting. I used acetone and the results were amazing. The paint laid out perfectly and it looks really nice all installed. Now go forth and paint

http://www.krylon.com/products/fusion_for_plastic/

Flat Black is product #2519

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TXGOOD MSG #441, 02-22-2010 08:59 AM
      You are probably aware of this but if you start from the middle of your headliner with the material glued there and stretch the material out toward the edges you can usually get it to form to the curves.
Also, depending on what kind of material you are using.
The four way stretch works the best for different angled curves.
Mike


Sofa King MSG #442, 02-22-2010 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

You are probably aware of this but if you start from the middle of your headliner with the material glued there and stretch the material out toward the edges you can usually get it to form to the curves.
Also, depending on what kind of material you are using.
The four way stretch works the best for different angled curves.
Mike


Hey M,

I did work from the center out. I also used a hair dryer to help stretch the material. But the vinyl was so creased that it didn't really matter what I did or how good it turned out - the creases were a real distraction. I'm going to the hobby center / fabric store to get more material.


Sofa King MSG #443, 02-23-2010 07:54 AM
      Gang,

I went to The Fiero Factory yesterday and bought a replacement A-Pillar trim piece and dash bezel piece (for the push start button). I also got the opportunity to meet and chat with the new owners Jeremy Biggs and his wife (I feel bad, I can't remember her name). Very nice people and very accomodating. They have brought a youthful feel to the place. The first and most obvious change was bringing the office from the back area to the very front where your met and greeted with smiles. I'm very happy for Jeremy and I wish he and his wife all the best! I know they'll be getting a lot of my money...

The rest of the place looks exactly the same. I didn't take any pics of the shop - I'm sure that's been done in the past. I did however take a few pics of the yard. I have never seen the yard this full of Fieros.

Enjoy




These pics don't include the warehouse FULL of parts. It's awesome!

Tonight I'm going to get new vinyl and padding. I'm going to try to get the other interior pieces removed and painted. It was a good day!

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TXGOOD MSG #444, 02-23-2010 08:26 AM
      Nice pics, but I am confused and sit here laughing.
I just realized when you said you went to the Fiero Factory that you obvoiusly don`t live in El Paso.
For some reason I thought you did and I thought "he must have a private jet or something" to go from
El Paso to Alabama in a day.
Mike


Sofa King MSG #445, 02-23-2010 08:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

Nice pics, but I am confused and sit here laughing.
I just realized when you said you went to the Fiero Factory that you obvoiusly don`t live in El Paso.
For some reason I thought you did and I thought "he must have a private jet or something" to go from
El Paso to Alabama in a day.
Mike


Hey Mike,

A private jet? Man, wouldn't that be nice? But, I do not live in TX. I've been there a couple of times - sat in the airport waiting for a connector flight. I live in Huntsville, AL. The Fiero Factory is literally 10 miles down the road from me.


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #446, 02-23-2010 03:11 PM
      I'm so jealous of this place! I have no Fiero related places anywhere near me!

Sofa King MSG #447, 02-23-2010 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

I'm so jealous of this place! I have no Fiero related places anywhere near me!


Have you ever seen the inside of the warehouse? It's a gold mine! The next time I'm there I'll take some pics - it's amazing. From the pile of door panels to the boxes full of shift knobs or lug nuts - it's sureal

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #448, 02-23-2010 07:22 PM
      I'm having daydreams about the place as I read this! Where is this?

Sofa King MSG #449, 02-24-2010 07:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

I'm having daydreams about the place as I read this! Where is this?


It's located in Toney, Alabama. Toney just south of the Tennessee border. If that helps?


Sofa King MSG #450, 02-24-2010 07:36 AM
      Gang,

I went to Hancock Fabrics yesterday. Holy Cr@p! I couldn't believe the amount of material they had for automotive purposes. They had roles of actual headliner in various colors and rolls of vinyl material, again, in various colors. I took a few pics to prove I wasn't lying - LOL (OK, I just got excited). The different vinyl colors got my creative juices flowing.

Headliner - look at all the different colors


Rolls of Vinyl - the black roll next to the tan roll on the left side is the one I'm using. It's a very deep non glossy black and very soft to the touch


Check out this color! I love that tan look. BUT THE ORANGE... Oh Yeah


More rolls of Vinyl


I purchased new black vinyl and felt underlay. I'm going to drop by one of the upholstry shops in town and see if I can get some of their advice on how to lay the vinyl. With that, I went ahead and pulled the old vinyl and felt liner off fiberglassed headliner. I'm hoping to have this finished by the weekend????


I then took the huge scrap of the leftover vinyl and decided to do a test on the grab handle. I think I need stronger adhesive but this should be much easier than the headliner. It's easier to pull the material around a compound curve than it is to push the material into place - if that makes sense? Using a hair dryer heats the material and helps it stretch around tough curves. If this turns out I'll be really happy. My only concern is the bolts holes. Any ideas?


That's it for now.

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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #451, 02-24-2010 05:59 PM
      Get a sharp razor blade and either:
1. make an X where the circle is
2. cut along the edges of the circle

Depending on how much you can see the holes, I would go with 1. Mostly because it would be easier.


Sofa King MSG #452, 02-25-2010 04:52 PM
      I have to laugh! I completely forgot to post these updates!

I used the leftover vinyl to see if I could wrap the interior door pulls. I can't say that it was easy but with enough and pulling and tugging I could probably get the vinyl to stretch. However... I am looking into other options



Just like the tape on the console I have to cut the vinyl and stretch sections to get the perfect fit




The door pull itself is going to prove to be a task. Like I said, this is only a test. I think sewing together several pieces to form a cover would look really nice if done right...

That's it for now


katatak MSG #453, 02-25-2010 08:15 PM
      I think sewing would be the best thing Greg. A nice stitched seam would be nice! I really want to go back to work on my Coupe interior. I moved the car around the other day and found that my headliner job is failing. The material is pulling away from the backer board. I must not have got it cleaned off good enough. I'll be doing the headliner again - first project to do once the XTC is done.

Pat


TXGOOD MSG #454, 02-26-2010 10:35 AM
      I had the same problem of covering the armrest, I could get it to wrap around where it could be glued in the back, but where the pull was I couldn`t figure out how to wrap it around and make the ends meet and look decent.
Where the holes are for the screws, if you could find some nylon bushings that would just fit into the holes but still allow a screwdriver blade to go through, you could tuck the material, paint the bushings black and push them into the holes.
Mike


Sofa King MSG #455, 02-26-2010 10:57 AM
      Minor Updates

I removed the other A-Pillar trim piece with any issues at all. It was actually really easy! Once I removed them I cleaned them up and painted them the flat black.





Up close


Today I will remove the other interior trim pieces get those cleans and painted up. Tomorrow I'm hoping to get a little further on the door panel. I migth change the design but I'm still thinking

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Sofa King MSG #456, 02-26-2010 11:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

I had the same problem of covering the armrest, I could get it to wrap around where it could be glued in the back, but where the pull was I couldn`t figure out how to wrap it around and make the ends meet and look decent.
Where the holes are for the screws, if you could find some nylon bushings that would just fit into the holes but still allow a screwdriver blade to go through, you could tuck the material, paint the bushings black and push them into the holes.
Mike


Hey Mike,

My thought was to cut a straight line in the material right behind the actual grab handle going from top to bottom. This was nothing more than a test than anything else. I just wanted to get my hands dirty and see if I could actually do it. However, if I am able to do it I'll use the other material and the other grab handles when I go final


Sofa King MSG #457, 02-26-2010 11:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I think sewing would be the best thing Greg. A nice stitched seam would be nice! I really want to go back to work on my Coupe interior. I moved the car around the other day and found that my headliner job is failing. The material is pulling away from the backer board. I must not have got it cleaned off good enough. I'll be doing the headliner again - first project to do once the XTC is done.

Pat


I agree 100% I've considered doing the whole interior but I'm going to hold off on that. One step at a time


Sofa King MSG #458, 03-01-2010 08:24 AM
      UPDATES

Saturday morning I drove around town looking for clips to reinstall the A-Pillar trim pieces - no luck. So I went to the local home improvement store and found these. I just modified them to fit and they work perfectly!




Everything was mounted and put back into place - it looks really nice! The flat black really makes the interior pop


Another


One More


I went ahead and painted the door trim and other misc pieces flat black


Since I had a lot of the interior removed I went ahead and painted the overhead interior light piece as well. I masked off the surrounding area and just painted the inside


Painted


Mask removed. I really the simplicity of the flat black paint - it's not overbearing or in your face.


Now it was on to the door panel. This proved to be not only fun but very time consuming. The First thing I did was change the design. I'm sticking with the standard basic look but I'm removing the groove / indent and painting the upper part high gloss white just like the console lid.

Quick splash of color to get an idea


But what about black? hmmmmm... gotta admit, that looks really cool!


I added only a few layers of glass.


Another view


The one area that required a lot of work was the groove. This was the most time consuming. I built up the area using both fiberglass and just resin. Whether that was the right thing to do????

Masked off ready to accept the resin


Poured


Once that dried I removed the tape


Another


You can still see a slight hump - more glass required


I then built up this last area with fiberglass


Another


The thick resin I poured worked perfectly - no air bubbles and I was able to sand down everything smooth - note: this does have a thin layer of white primer... however, there is NO body filler yet - this is ALL sanding


Another


I have to admit... that does look cool


Remember this?


I took one side and poured fiberglass resin into the hole, taped up the end and turned it over so all the resin would dry at the base. I then removed the tape and and sanded the tip round


Rounded out


Primed


Painted


When this is finished it will be painted high gloss white. My thought is to mount this on the dash and fit it into the groove / indent. It's still a work in progress and like everything, the idea might change

That's it for now. I'm still working the design of the door panel. Like the console, once I finish I will have learned much more and more confidence to explore new ideas

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Sofa King MSG #459, 03-01-2010 08:44 AM
      This is where I'm thinking of going with the door panel. What do you think? My concern is removing / cutting the door panel. The piece that is removed would be covered with the vinyl. Once it's cut I will need to find a way to mount the piece back to the door...

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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #460, 03-01-2010 09:05 AM
      Looks great!
You work fast when it's warm, too!


katatak MSG #461, 03-03-2010 12:39 AM
      Hey Greg,

Are you talking about the top rear section? - the part you are talking about removing, covering and then remounting? Why not make a thin piece of glass - molded to the area, cover that and then mount that to the door panel - no cutting of the door panel required and it will give it some depth/dimension. Maybe do the same for the lower part. Countersink the arm rest into the lower part and then the center part will look recessed into the door panel? Just a thought! I got to get busy........

Pat



Tony Kania MSG #462, 03-04-2010 11:37 AM
      I am beginning to really dislike you two! SofaKing, Katatak. You know who I am talking to. With all of your interior modding going on, you are driving ideas into my head. Let's do this. Let's do that. Grrrr! My head hurts!

I need to read through this thread later. I want to do the flat black to a few parts in my interior. I am also thinking, that when the weather warms up a bit, I would like to do some faux leather on some trim pieces.

Anyway, you get the drift. I foresee Amy being not too happy with me in the next few months.


Sofa King MSG #463, 03-04-2010 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I foresee Amy being not too happy with me in the next few months.


Hey T,

Just remember. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission.

Go forth and do great things!


Tony Kania MSG #464, 03-04-2010 03:41 PM
      I will have to find it, but Katatak spoke the exact same words.

"But, if I do the work myself.......it is a lot cheaper. Honey? Honey? Are you listening?" Yeah, I just better "ask" for forgiveness.


katatak MSG #465, 03-05-2010 06:30 PM
      It's even better if you can "hide" it....... As long as I am buying stuff for the son's car, sky's the limit. Only thing the Mrs. looks at is the total. When buying parts for the XTC, I always get a few "extra" things that I need for the V8 Coupe. I know, its devious and if the truth was known, I am pretty sure that she knows exactly what I am doing. I'll pay for it one way or the other.......

Get busy Tony.........


revin MSG #466, 03-06-2010 10:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

UPDATES

Rounded out


Painted



Sofa, I don't even want to know OR ask about this........ just don't point that thing at me This must be from being kept up this winter huh??

You should "up" your glassing skills more. Now that you are profienct (sp?) at it. add a raised design to the door before covering it, or an indented part with FIERO sunk in or something. What about a pocket?

heh you don't need me anymore fly grasshopper! be free!


Sofa King MSG #467, 03-06-2010 10:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Sofa, I don't even want to know OR ask about this........ just don't point that thing at me!


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll take pics of my idea tomorrow. That's funny though!

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Sofa King MSG #468, 03-06-2010 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


You should "up" your glassing skills more.


UPDATES!

Lots of good stuff!

I'll start with the simple stuff first. I was trying to track down a squeak in the center console when I found a considerable amount of surface rust - well... that's unacceptable!


After a quick pass with some steel wool and shot paint


And then installed - good as new - the funny thing... I never did track down that dam squeak!


I went ahead a created a new panel for the new radio console


After about 15-20 minutes I removed the waxpaper. The panel was no longer tacky but I knew the glass had not cured yet. I wanted to conduct a test. I took the foam core template, laid it on the panel and then sprayed primer to create an outline


I then removed the foam core template. Now I knew exactly where to cut. The reason I'm doing this is to see how easy it will be to create panels and minimize cutting and sanding


I then took the straight edge and a razor and began cutting - it was like cutting butter






I did this twice and the radio console sides were finished!


Quick glimpse of what's to come


On to the door panel! After sanding and sanding and sanding and glassing and glassing, etc... I've realized during the this build that I have been applying fiberglass, in some cases, WRONG. I was cutting either the fiberglass mat or cloth to fit whatever shape and then trying to get the glass to fit around curves, edges, etc... It always ended up the same - air bubbles, wasting lots of fiberglass etc... I then remembered Archie's Miura build and there was a picture of the door panel - they were using smaller pieces of the glass mat that had been pulled apart - NOT CUT. I decided to try this and it worked - I learned something new! The pulled pieces easily fit the curves and contours and reduced the air bubbles. This allowed to move forward - check it out! But first...

As you know, I'm trying to create a door panel that has both a painted surface and vinyl covered surface. I finally figured out how to do both. This is the look I'm going for


After laying the template for the top piece that will be covered with vinyl, I took the trusty Dremel and carved out what will become the vinyl covered part of the top of the door panel


This was actually a lot of fun. I painted it to help me get a better idea


Standing back


I then flipped the door panel over and sanded the backside to prep for glassing


I then covered this area with packing tape - the tape keeps the fiberglass from sticking. Why am I doing this?


Using the method of glassing that I just described, I applied several layers of the pulled glass






One more


Once the resin and fiberglass cured I popped the form out - this was after some light sanding


Another


Now that I had a mold of the inner part of the door panel, I then very carefully removed / cut the upper shape from the door panel


I then took the mold I created and put it back into its original place


Another


Up close - this piece creates an area for me to mount the piece I removed after it will get a nice layer of vinyl. Make sense?


I then primed the door panel and began to fill holes


With the piece in place - it fits perfectly! The pulled pieces of glass made ALL the difference in the world


This is where I am with the radio console - I SHOULD have a basic shape by Sunday afternoon - lets hope!


That's it for now

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Sofa King MSG #469, 03-06-2010 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I will have to find it, but Katatak spoke the exact same words.

"But, if I do the work myself.......it is a lot cheaper. Honey? Honey? Are you listening?" Yeah, I just better "ask" for forgiveness.


Just remember though... if you do get caught... you "have" to apologize, look oblivious, but APOLOGIZE... and be sincere - DON'T ACT sinere... BE sincere. Then a nite of dinner and flowers might be in order (not for you - but for her). This is a must for the "forgivness" to work. It's difficult... the things we must sacrifce just to propel our hobbies. It tough... but someone has to do it...

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katatak MSG #470, 03-07-2010 12:51 AM
      YES............ Back to fiberglass work....... I LOVE IT! The door panel is looking great. Excellent idea on the cut out!

Pat



aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #471, 03-07-2010 04:57 PM
     

Sofa King MSG #472, 03-08-2010 08:16 AM
      I've got updates but not as much as I would like - even though I worked ALL day. The day was spent sanding and filler holes in the door panel. I also had to work the area where the door handle trim piece mounts. The area was pretty rough and uneven.

I'm nearing the final stretches with the door panel.




















I primed the radio console. I was hoping to get a lot farther along with this piece but maybe this week or by the weekend.


Another with more glass added at the base


As with anything... lots of filling and sanding


Another


That's about it. Not much to tell. I'm hoping to just move forward. I am considering building a glovebox that would mount where the "aftermarket" gloveboxes mount. Here's the idea


It would be very similar to the armrest console I created - black, white lid with a smaller Pontiac Logo in the bottom right hand corner

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TXGOOD MSG #473, 03-08-2010 08:34 AM
      Door panel is looking good.
Mike


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #474, 03-08-2010 05:56 PM
      Glove box =
Love it.


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #475, 03-08-2010 09:58 PM
      As a wise man once said, "excellent!" -Wayne (Waynes World)

bowrapennocks MSG #476, 03-09-2010 08:57 AM
      Awesome work on your interior. I have done two custom interiors now on my Fieros and here are some things that worked for me:

I painted the arm rests with vinyl paint; this works if they are not pulling apart.

I have also covered many items with stretchable vinyl. I have used Allsport (purchased from Rochford supply, they have a website). It will stretch 100% of original length. I used 3M 8088 contact cement, and had some problems with it releasing after a few months, so now after all is said and done I pick up the edges and superglue them as well.

Keep up the good work
Jim


Sofa King MSG #477, 03-09-2010 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bowrapennocks:

Awesome work on your interior. I have done two custom interiors now on my Fieros and here are some things that worked for me:

I painted the arm rests with vinyl paint; this works if they are not pulling apart.

I have also covered many items with stretchable vinyl. I have used Allsport (purchased from Rochford supply, they have a website). It will stretch 100% of original length. I used 3M 8088 contact cement, and had some problems with it releasing after a few months, so now after all is said and done I pick up the edges and superglue them as well.

Keep up the good work
Jim


Hey J,

Thanks for the kind words and the great advice! What paint did you use for the armrest? Was it a vinyl texture paint or paint exclusively for vinyl? You should post pics of your work - we would love to see it!


bowrapennocks MSG #478, 03-09-2010 12:03 PM
      I used Duplicolor Vinyl and Fabric. I have also painted interior trim with it as well. It smells more like a lacquer, and probably etches into the vinyl and seems to stick well. It is not textured.

There is a post somewhere around about a paint that after it is applied, it looks like leather. As I recall, it is from Germany and is very expensive and does not come in a rattle can.
Jim


Sofa King MSG #479, 03-09-2010 12:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bowrapennocks:

I used Duplicolor Vinyl and Fabric. I have also painted interior trim with it as well. It smells more like a lacquer, and probably etches into the vinyl and seems to stick well. It is not textured.

There is a post somewhere around about a paint that after it is applied, it looks like leather. As I recall, it is from Germany and is very expensive and does not come in a rattle can.
Jim


The texture paint from Germany is called Lunitec / Lederoptik. That was my original idea for the center console I created. And you are correct - it is REALLY expensive - mostly shipping. However, it does come in a can Check it out

http://www.lederoptik.de/index.php?id=34&L=1


Sourmug MSG #480, 03-09-2010 08:09 PM
      Everything is looking great, I really like the texture paint!

Nolan


Sofa King MSG #481, 03-10-2010 10:10 AM
      Hi All,

I just want to take the time to thank everybody for the kind words and great ideas - keep them coming! No update pics but I am hoping to get a mock up of the glovebox this afternoon early evening.


Sofa King MSG #482, 03-11-2010 07:45 AM
      Updates:

I created a foam core mock up of the glove box. I followed the same basic look and feel of the gauge pod but the shape might change. I still have a few minor modifications to do. What do you guys think if the basic shape?







In the car... not a very good shot because of the tilt


Modified


There is a lot of potential for a glove box. More to come


revin MSG #483, 03-11-2010 10:42 AM
      the large square won't hold much like that.
where the "pocket" is now, you can knock that out and go for depth. I would think at least 10" back into the dash.
mock up again


Sofa King MSG #484, 03-11-2010 11:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

mock up again


LOL. Yes sir.


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #485, 03-11-2010 02:35 PM
      I just stumbled upon this thread, and WOW this is some great stuff! Your rear console piece looks outstanding. I'm sure the rest will be just as sweet.

I'm also gonna go look for one of those cupholders.


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #486, 03-11-2010 04:47 PM
      Hmm, I would say it looks a little too tall. Still nice, just seems a little big.
I also agree with this!

 
quote
Originally posted by revin:
the large square won't hold much like that.
where the "pocket" is now, you can knock that out and go for depth...




Sofa King MSG #487, 03-13-2010 06:02 PM
      Hi All,

No updates today. I've spent the day at the shop getting the rear brakes looked at. Turns out the pass side rear caliper is shot and is not engaging the emergency brake. I also found out the emergency brake "warning dinger" is not working. ugh I also noticed something very interesting... Check this out. (I'm going to post this in the Technical Thread as well).

Looking across the underside of the car from the front to the back, I noticed a bracket was loose under the front cross member. Upon closer inspection you can not only see the bracket but it appears that the entire bottom of the cross member is bent. Am I looking at this wrong? This is supposed to be straight isn't it? That's my hand going across the bottom - the sun was reflecting off the wet ground and making it tough to take a pic



Another image with lines to help to see what I'm refering to - I tried to get the image as straight as possible


Can someone please let me know if the cross member is supposed to be bent or curved.

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Sofa King MSG #488, 03-13-2010 06:08 PM
      OH! I'm hoping to work on the interior bits tomorrow. I'd really like to get the radio console moving along. I have some great ideas for it!

fieroguru MSG #489, 03-13-2010 07:26 PM
     
Here are a couple of 88 front crossmembers... It looks like at the very least the coolant tube bracket is mangled, but there is a chance that the oval slot between the lower and upper portions of the crossmember is also bent.




Sofa King MSG #490, 03-15-2010 09:00 AM
      Hey Gang,

Sorry no updates. The weekend was cold and rainy. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow so I'm hoping to get back out there. I did however find that I will need to replace / repair:

Cross member
Pass side rear caliper
All 4 wheel bearings
Rack & Pinion
rebuild the steering column
fix the heater

and a few other knick knacks...

In all about 1500-2000 dollars worth of repairs... ugh...


katatak MSG #491, 03-16-2010 09:00 PM
      Hey Greg,

Just when you start having fun with the interior stuff, the mechanical gremlins rear thier ugly heads and tend to change your coarse. Stay focused............. Work through it and it will all be worth it. I have the interior bug once again......

Pat



aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #492, 03-19-2010 04:58 PM
      Updates?

Sofa King MSG #493, 03-19-2010 10:14 PM
      YES! UPDATES!

I got off work early today and shot over to the junk yard to find a few goodies for the door panel. Check it out:

Speaker grills, reflectors, door lights, emblems and some cool chrome switches


I was hoping to find use for these door lights but the curve might cause a problem



Door speaker


Chrome Switches from a Buick Regal or Riviera - I like these!


Different Door Reflectors


Different ones in different positions




I like this one best


Now on to some fiberglass work! I started work on the radio console. I cut the top piece


Created a little support area with tape to sit so I could apply the hot glue


I then hot glued the piece in place from the top, let that sit and then mixed up a batch or filler and spread in on the inside



When the filler dried I then began the long process of sanding by hand - no machine tools here


I then flipped the console over, sanded the inside and laid up more fiberglass to give more structural support


I'll remove the extra tomorrow morning and begin to create the front plate


I'm hoping by the end of the weekend I'll have a functioning radio bezel - I'm hoping! I'm still not sure what to do about the shifter plate yet - whether to tie it together as one piece or keep it separate. And then it's onto the other door panel. I'm starting early tomorrow - it's supposed 70 degrees and SUNNY!

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katatak MSG #494, 03-20-2010 04:59 PM
      I see you have learned some new tricks.........I like the door panel lights - not sure how yu could make those curved ones work unless you form some contour into the door panel? Even if you made a little"bump" piece out of glass then mold the light into it? It might not look right with all the flat/angles of the door panel. Looking good as usual.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #495, 03-20-2010 09:48 PM
      UPDATES!

First... I did a tremendous amount of sanding on the door panel this morning. I used 150, 180, 220 and the 400 grit paper. The entire panel minus the concave area is smooth as glass and ready for paint. I just have to get this last area smooth. I'm also trying to work the area where the door handle plate goes - there is lots of warpage. Both door panels were warped when I got them so... Gotta work with what I have.

More filler


You can still see the slight bumps


Overview with a shot of primer


Radio Console - LOTS of work today... kinda

After the fliberglass and resin dried and removed the extra and sanded smooth




I then placed the console back into the car to get an idea of how much trimming I needed to do


After a few measurements I decided to removed a far amount leaving enough in the back to house the two gauges


After the cut


Another


Making the gauges fit - this was actually a real pain in the a$$. I had to removed 3/8" of the plastic holes where the gauge pod mounts to the metal bracket in order the pod to fit inside the console. Why? I found out very early on when doing the first console that fiberglass likes to warp, push and pull plastic. The stock plastic console was warped while the resin cured - you'll be able to see in later pics



I then painted the console with white primer - doesn't look like much but it is getting there


Per my original idea I scribbed and cut line going around the edges


Another - you can see how warped the top is


One side with be painted gloss white and the other flat black


Installed with test paint - not to shabby but I think I'm going to paint the whole thing white with a little bit of black. What do you think?


Another - uh oh! It look like I removed too much material. You can see the back of the gauge pod sticking out. Looks like I either remove material from the pod or add material to the console. I'll have to look at different options


The beauty shot - I still haven't figured out what to do about getting access to the radio, A/C, etc... I'm considering using the stock front plate and permanently adhere it to the console. I would then sand, blend and paint it gloss white. If I do this it would save an incredible amount of time and glass and I retain the basic look. So then, the only way to access the radio is to remove the entire console. What do you think?


From afar looking down - it definately needs to be painted all white to match the larger armrest console


I am tired... I thought I took more photos than this... I guess all that sanding wore me out! That's it until tomorrow!

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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #496, 03-21-2010 06:11 PM
      Nice work. Only thing that looks weird to me is how the bezel sticks out. Maybe if you could build walls up around it or something? I don't know.
It's still sweet.


Ants87gt (ferrentino@q.com) MSG #497, 03-21-2010 10:37 PM
      Looks awesome! very nice work funny thing is I was just thinking of redoing my console to add cup holders and since my ecm has been relocated to the engine bay, when i did my 3800 swap, i was thinking of making a bigger glove box and then i seen you thread. I just have to say thanks you have inspired me and given me some ideas.

Ant


Sofa King MSG #498, 03-22-2010 07:33 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Ants87gt:

I just have to say thanks you have inspired me and given me some ideas.

Ant


Thanks for the kind words! Glad to have been some help & inspiration. Be sure to post pics so we can see your build and ideas!

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Sofa King MSG #499, 03-22-2010 07:34 AM
      All,

I think I'm going to paint a majority of the console gloss white. What do you think?



katatak MSG #500, 03-22-2010 10:41 PM
      Just my opinion Greg but I think it's too much white. Maybe find a dark grey/charcoal instead of the black like you had on the first version? Just a thought. I love your idea for the gauge pod. Are you planning on rounding the back off similar to the stock pod?

Once again, you have me rethinking my Coupe console. I am now thinking of copying your design for my gauge pod with a slight twist. I am thinking of taking back on top of the dash and building in another covey/glove box thingie - like you see in some of the newer cars. The big plus to this is that my 16 year old wants me to build another gauge pod like the one I built for the Coupe. I just can't see building another one. I'll just give him the one I have and hen build something new for me.... I think it will go better with the center piecs I built too. I'll have to send you some wannabe sketches and see what you can do with it.

You need to get busy on those door panels.........


Sofa King MSG #501, 03-23-2010 08:00 AM
      Hey P,

I've been tinkering with different designs for the back of the gauge pod. How funny is it - we both thought the exact same thing to create a pocket / cubby up top behind the gauges. I went a little further a thought about a flip screen / GPS. I probably won't do it but it would be pretty cool.

I am going to round out the top side of the gauge pod over toward the back and then round out the console sides under the dash itself. I'm also going to create a permanent cubby area in front of the radio. I'll then make the leap and permanently adhere the front radio and gauge faceplate to the console. I'll buy extras when i do this - I'm not ruining the originals. Why? Everything is perfectly lined up when the faceplates are bolted in - why not take advantage of this. I'll keep the bolt holes and nuts in place just to retain the look but sand smooth and paint everything to match. I think this is the way to go. Plus it frees up time from making a whole new panel from fiberglass.

I'm hoping to create something like this:


It's going to be nice today so I should be out there working when I get home.

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katatak MSG #502, 03-23-2010 06:48 PM
      Great inds think alike Greg. I really like the flip up/down GPS idea. That would be too much hi tech stuff for my beater V8 Coupe though. But it might be something for the XTC? - Hmmm.... Thinking again!

I like the "one" piece look. Can't wait to see it done.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #503, 03-27-2010 07:59 PM
      UPDATES!

After counterless hours of sanding I finally sprayed the first layer of paint on the door panel

Final sand and primer


First few layers of paint - As you kknow this is the fun part. Paint, wet sand, paint, wet sand, high gloss clear coat, sand etc etc etc... I actually really enjoy this process.


I had an extra window switch plate lying around and decided to cut the hole for the iPod - there's tons of room but I did have to remove one of the bolt holes

Measuring the lines


Drilled a few pilot holes


Taped out the area to cut - I used an X-Acto knife, modeling file and and saw blade and took my time - no need to rush


The process took about an hour from start to finish


Another


I then sprayed with primer & flat black


Because I removed one of the bolt holes I quickly fabricated a simple support when the button is pushed


Installed - turned out really nice. All I need now is the iPod docking station and connector to the back of the stereo (but I think I need a new stereo as well... DANG IT - LOL)


On to the console. I ran into a wall on this project. As you know I have to find a way to cover the gauges up top. The idea was to create a nice rolled cover going down the back side of the console. However, this is impossible to do with the consoles current configuration / design. The horizontal piece of the "stock" console - where the upper gauges mount - is directly in the way when removing / installing the console. So.... I either remove the horizontal part of the structural or I create an entirely NEW piece that actually covers the console - kinda like a lid - GREAT... another lid... LOL

As I said in a previous post, I want to utilize the stock plate covers. However, I run into another problem. The A/C vent surround on the backside of the plate cover will have to be removed in order for me to successfully create a cover that can be removed / installed using the stock mounting hex locations. It's kinda confusing... I'll take more pics tomorrow

I added lots of filler to the console


Sanded smooth




No more sag in the middile




I then began the process of creating the back side of the console


Hot glued them into place


Another


Then added fiberglass for strength




I then removed the excess and sanded smooth


Tomorrow I'm going to try to create a cover and see where that leads. I've begun the masking process


As I said, I hit a wall on the radio console. I have no doubt I can do it... it's just figuring out the correct steps. Until tomorrow

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Sofa King MSG #504, 03-27-2010 08:13 PM
      I just had an idea for the radio console lid/cover plate. I'm still going over it in my head but i think it's going to work. The white area is the new cover portion. It will add a little bulk to the console and I'll add some visual highlights as well. I'm still tinkering with the design.

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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #505, 03-27-2010 08:45 PM
      Really like that last picture/concept!

katatak MSG #506, 03-27-2010 09:48 PM
      Now you are thinking Greg!

Sofa King MSG #507, 03-28-2010 07:37 PM
      Thanks guys! Here are a few more updates. I didn't get as far as I would like. I've had a terrible head ache ALL day and it finally went away.

After tinkering with the console design I rounded out the back side of the "gauge pod" area



Using foam core I then created the curve to close the gap



I then covered the entire console with clear packing tape to prep for glass


Covered with glass and tanning in the sun




I sanded the mold while it was still attached to the console. I then pulled it free



Adding more layers of glass to build up the thickness and fill in the holes



I also painted and wet sanded the door panel - I'm really happy with the way this is turning out.



That's it for tonight. The console will take several passes with filler and glass before it begins to really take shape - I think I've figured out the trim plates as well. I'm hoping to work on the console a little tomorrow after work.

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katatak MSG #508, 03-29-2010 12:58 PM
      And the bar goes up another notch.......... I got to get the XTC done so I can go back to work on the V8 Coupe - I am so far behind you now that I'll never get caught up. I love the AC surround and the door panels Greg - great ideas and great work!

Pat


LaFierte MSG #509, 03-29-2010 02:16 PM
      just curious what cad program you used to do your computer designs? btw what you are doing is amazing.

Sofa King MSG #510, 03-29-2010 03:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

And the bar goes up another notch.......... I got to get the XTC done so I can go back to work on the V8 Coupe - I am so far behind you now that I'll never get caught up. I love the AC surround and the door panels Greg - great ideas and great work!

Pat


Thanks man! It'll be nice to have ya working again. I missed your persistant nagging and nit picking. You know I kid! What's the plan for the Coupe?


Sofa King MSG #511, 03-29-2010 03:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by LaFierte:

just curious what cad program you used to do your computer designs? btw what you are doing is amazing.


Hey There,

Thanks for the compliments. I use a drawing program called XARA Xtreme - www.xara.com. It was originally part of the Corel Draw Drawing Suite many many years ago but branched off and became it's own entity. If you're not a Corel user you've probably never heard of it. It combines the best of Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop and packages it into a well rounded and streamlined application that is not only faster than Illustrator but 100s of dollars cheaper.

WOW... I sound like a salesman for XARA.


Sofa King MSG #512, 03-29-2010 08:40 PM
      A Few Minor Updates

I sanded the console down a little more this afternoon and added more glass to the sides. Tomorrow I'll add more glass and body filler

Sanded down



The next step will be to remove the front flat area where the "X" has been cut. I will need to begin prepping to install the radio and upper gauge plates.


Pieces cut to fit the sides




I then heavily coated the sides with resin and clamped them in place - I'll go check it tomorrow



I got in the car this afternoon and saw this


I also wet sanded the door panel and painted but there was no reason to take pics - it's still looks the same. That's it for tonight

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Sofa King MSG #513, 03-29-2010 08:45 PM
      I do have a quick question for you guys and gals. The armrest lid is painted flat black and gloss white. The door panels will be black vinyl and gloss white. The radio console will be flat black and gloss white. My question is... what color should the instrument cluster plate and the side vents be? Right now the gauge plate is silver and the vents are still black. What do you think?

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #514, 03-29-2010 09:21 PM
      Hey Greg, I've got a quick question. I'm going to be glassing over the gauge pod with the temp and battery gauge, and I was wondering whether I should do the sides and top/ back in seperate sheets, or would I be able to shape one sheet of glass over the whole thing. What would you do?

Sofa King MSG #515, 03-29-2010 09:37 PM
      Hey G,

hmmmmmmm... good question. First... if you glass over ANY object and use that, then the piece will actually be larger than the original because you're wrapping the original object and creating more layers - if that makes sense. I would probably create a new piece. If you can get some foam core or card board (similar to what's on the back of drawing tablet) and create a mock up to get precise measurements and everything else.

Once you have a good idea and understanding of your design then create your fiberglass panels. I would go 2-4 layers thick for the sides. And then use a hefty pair of tin snips to cut the fiberglass to your desired shape. And of course prepare for sanding... lots and lots of sanding. For the curve section I would create a panel with only two layers (use matte - NOT cloth). You want enough flexibility in the fiberglass to make the piece fit the curve but light enough to hold in place with either hot glue or tape. Once everything is in place use either resin and ONE layer of glass or body filler around the edges / side where the three pieces meet and let dry so you can then remove the tape / hot glue. You can then add additional layers of glass to the curve section if need be.

I created this graphic - the yellow dotted line shows where to hot glue / tape the pieces and then glass on the inside of the shape.


And then remember... lots and lots of sanding.

If you can, create your panels using a mirror or large piece of glass. The fiberglass doesn't stick (you can always wax it to make sure) and you get an incredibly smooth fiberglass surface to work with when the resin dries.

Does that make sense?

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katatak MSG #516, 03-29-2010 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Thanks man! It'll be nice to have ya working again. I missed your persistant nagging and nit picking. You know I kid! What's the plan for the Coupe?


Hmmmm.... Plan for the Coupe - well no thanks to you, a complete redo........ I have had to rethink the whole thing. I'm still planning something up and over the dash from the AC surround. I want to incorporate a large tach with a shift light in the center of the dash as close to the windshield as I can get it. It will need to be "molded" into the ac surround along with the 3 gauges. I also want to work on the rear console some more - still not crazy about the way it tuned out. You got me thinking about door panels now...thanks a alot!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #517, 03-29-2010 10:37 PM
      That's the flow... we're always pushing each other to do better things.

Sofa King MSG #518, 03-29-2010 10:40 PM
      Quick Update.

I went to take the dogs out and i decided to give the console a quick look. I then grabbed some filler and well... you know...

I removed all the clamps


The reason this is so glossy is because I added and layer of resin



With the filler




A majority of this will be sanded off revwaling a nice smooth surface. OK... now it's bed time

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Sofa King MSG #519, 03-29-2010 10:45 PM
      Question: Does anybody have any old radio and upper gauge trim plates for an 88 they want to sell?

Thanks


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #520, 03-29-2010 11:28 PM
      Thanks! However, when I glass over the plastic piece, the thickness will be compensating for the dreaded GM foam/ vinyl material (approx. 1/4 inch) I also thought that doing the sides seperate would be best. And your looking for the brushed aluminum plates, right? If so, I've got em, as I'm making my own (as shown in my center console thread ) if you just pay for shipping, I could get them to you. Can it wait a week or so though? I'm going to need them to trace the outline.

Sofa King MSG #521, 03-31-2010 09:21 PM
      UPDATES!

I went ahead and installed the radio cover over the console and I heard a CRACK... The good news is the actual console is fine. The radio cover cracked at one of the seams. This is actually a good thing because the fit was REALLY tight and was very difficult to remove. I sanded down the areas applied more resin and glass. I also cut the face from the radio cover and I'm prepping for the trim plate. I'm thinking the radio cover might be 75% complete this weekend - if all goes well.

First, a preview. This is the radio console in the car



CRACK!!!! DANG IT


Despite the crack I went ahead and painted the radio console black to get a better idea of what the cover looks like - I LIKE IT




In the car


I then took black paint and sprayed the inside of the console and radio cover. The paint laid out a template so could see exactly where to remove the fiberglass so I can see the radio, A/C, etc


I then cut out the material and installed it back the car - looking real good!


Check it out! No face plate yet - but I also have to remove the area where the upper gauges are. The plan here is to permanently adhere the face plates to the radio cover and blend them into the piece using fiberglass and filler. The is going to take a lot of glass because the plastic is so thick. I will only add the glass to the front of the cover and not the sides. I will try to utilize the hex bolt holes just to stay true to the original design.


I then addressed the crack with more resin and glass - this weekend will include lots of filler and sanding. All the resin and filler are added to outside of the cover - not the inside. NOTE: I can't add anything to the inside of the mold (resin or filler) or it will alter the shape of the piece and will not fit as snug as it does now... despite the crack LOL

I am however leaving the cover on the console as I apply new glass and filler - I want the piece to fit properly wrap around the console without too much stress. I just hope it works.



That's it for tonight. No movement on the door panel. I ran out of light. I think I'm going to take the door panels and headliner to a shop to apply the black vinyl. I also wanted to add piping to the door panel vinyl along the area where the smooth gloss white area meets where the carpet used to be. I think the piping will add to the look and give it finished look and feel.

More tomorrow.

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Sofa King MSG #522, 03-31-2010 09:25 PM
      Check this out. I took the concept drawing I did and placed it beside the actual radio cover - pretty close!

It is a heck of a lot bulkier than the concept.

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #523, 04-01-2010 12:20 AM
      Looks amazing! By the way,today I glassed over the temp gauge pod, with 1.5 coats. After the first one, I sanded it and whatnot, blah blah blah. After the second coat though, I gave everything a hefty glazing of resin. I'll post pctures in my thread tomorrow hopefully. It's gonna kill me to sand down part of it, because of how straight, flat, and perfect most of it looks. The only thing is, with the ".5" coat was just making a larger lip on the small sides. It's gonna look great, thanks for all your advice!!!

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #524, 04-01-2010 12:31 AM
      I think its very cool how you have a vision and go for it. This is DIY at its greatest. Awesome thread.

deloreanant MSG #525, 04-01-2010 04:09 AM
      Very inspiring, keep up the great work!

Sofa King MSG #526, 04-01-2010 08:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Looks amazing! By the way,today I glassed over the temp gauge pod, with 1.5 coats. After the first one, I sanded it and whatnot, blah blah blah. After the second coat though, I gave everything a hefty glazing of resin. I'll post pctures in my thread tomorrow hopefully. It's gonna kill me to sand down part of it, because of how straight, flat, and perfect most of it looks. The only thing is, with the ".5" coat was just making a larger lip on the small sides. It's gonna look great, thanks for all your advice!!!


POST THOSE PICS! Remember when sanding to use even strokes and a circular motion (someone might have a different method). Also be sure use varying grits of paper to achieve the look you want. And anything we can to help get your project finished, just let us know.


Sofa King MSG #527, 04-01-2010 08:32 AM
      Thanks for the kind words, gang. It really means a lot.

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #528, 04-01-2010 09:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Remember when sanding to use even strokes and a circular motion (someone might have a different method). Also be sure use varying grits of paper to achieve the look you want. And anything we can to help get your project finished, just let us know.


Actually, I have a portable belt sander (I use it as a stationary one...) and its large enough to cover the whole piece I'm doing. Thats how I've been sanding thusfar, and it seems to work nicely. Btw, pics will be up in about a minute


katatak MSG #529, 04-02-2010 12:14 AM
      I really like your "Vision"!

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #530, 04-02-2010 12:18 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

I really like your "Vision"!


20/20?


Sofa King MSG #531, 04-02-2010 07:56 AM
      Some minor updates

I painted a heavy coat of black on to the console to find out where the stress points were on the radio cover. And did some sanding.


Now I know exactly where the high marks are



Then I did some basic sanding, primer and prep

Before - you can see the high point on the left side of the cover


After - with a shot of primer


Closer to being finished - I still have lots of little holes to fill. I've discovered you can do this one of two ways: body filler or resin. Both work and require lots of sanding.




More primer


That's all that took place last night. Should be much further along by the end of the weekend.

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Sofa King MSG #532, 04-03-2010 07:46 AM
      Minor Updates

While I was sanding I removed too much material along the curve that follows the back side around the gauge pod so I added more fiberglass creating a sharper curve. I was also able to finally get the radio cover to fit perfectly without getting stuck - it fits like a glove

Cutting new pieces of glass


Hot glued in place



All glassed up


Added a little more glass to the inside of the console


Today I will smooth out the fiberglass pieces that I added and start the process of permanenetly attaching the face plates

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katatak MSG #533, 04-03-2010 12:25 PM
      Don't you just love that fiberglass process? Apply, build up, sand smooth, apply more, sand more, fill a little, apply more, sand a lot, paint, fill more, sand more, paint more..............Looking good Greg! Great satisfaction comes from seeing your concept come to life.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #534, 04-03-2010 12:51 PM
      Hey P,

LOL - You forgot: measure, make sure you have enough resin, cut the glass to size, stand back, get frustrated, start over, sand, primer, stand back again, mix more resin, dust yourself off, cough, clean your glasses, sand, paint and then smile because you finally reached your goal.

Thanks for kind words. It's raining today so I'm not sure if I can get anything done. But tomorrow is supposed to be really nice so I'm hoping for the best.


katatak MSG #535, 04-03-2010 09:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey P,

LOL - You forgot: measure, make sure you have enough resin, cut the glass to size, stand back, get frustrated, start over, sand, primer, stand back again, mix more resin, dust yourself off, cough, clean your glasses, sand, paint and then smile because you finally reached your goal.

Thanks for kind words. It's raining today so I'm not sure if I can get anything done. But tomorrow is supposed to be really nice so I'm hoping for the best.


See there - that's always my problem - I forget to measure and make sure I have enough resin! Sorry to hear it's raining there. It was 80 degrees and nothing but sunshine here today. Perfect day to get a lot done - however I spent half the day goofing off talking about Fiero's and Corvettes. It was a really rough day. Tomorrow is supposed to be 85..........

Later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #536, 04-03-2010 11:41 PM
      It was raining all morning but then cleared up around nooon. It turned out to be a beautful day - I got a lot done. Check it out!

I worked on the door panel. I found a critical shape error that need to be fixed. Luckily I only had to remove material and not add any. I might have to add a little filler but nothing major at all.

This area was curved. I had to create a smooth right angle like the original - I'll sand it smooth add a little filler and the repaint



Here's the original


I continued work on the radio console. I found a very thin areas where I HAD to add resin to the inside. Luckily everything worked out.




I added a few layers of resin & glass to the outside


I also began work on the other door panel. I removed the vinyl material and put a few layers of resin to give it strength



I continued to add primer and sand both consoles



Now I'm on to the next step - the face plates - but I've got A MAJOR PROBLEM... Can you figure it out?


I also created a new mock up for the glove box - I started with a simple back plate that will also be used as the actual box itself


Creating the back of the main box


This is how it will fit. I will have to remove my dash to mount it place - UGH


I then created the basic shape with working lid & logo


More on this tomorrow


Different logos - what to use?




Now... the problem I'm facing. As you know the radio face plate has the vents built into the plate itself. I HAVE to carefully remove the vent housing IF I plan to permanently attached the face plate. If I do not remove the vents I cannot remove the radio cover. So... I have to cut the vent housing and find a way to sucessfully adhere it behind the radio bezel without interferece- this is going to be a MAJOR obstacle...

That's it for today. More to come tomorrow.


Sofa King MSG #537, 04-04-2010 12:15 AM
      I have an idea for the lid of the glove box. The design is carried over from the center console lid. I really like it. I think I prefer the smaller logo to the larger one. I will have to buy a new Pontiac logo though. When I removed the logo from the Grand Am at the pick & pull it bent out of shape. Plus it's not that glossy.



This is how the glovebox will look inside - this is subject to change - hmmmmm... I could add more CUP HOLDERS! LOL

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katatak MSG #538, 04-04-2010 12:24 AM
      Hey Greg,

I like the glove box idea. Are you planing on "rounding" the edges off some? Looks a little boxy to me but the concept is cool. Go a little retro and mold in some "cup holders" on the inside of the lid?

Pat



Sofa King MSG #539, 04-04-2010 12:35 AM
      Thanks man. It really turned into a nice day. The edges will definately be rounded over. Cup holders... LOL How many cup holders does one man need? I dunno. I guess I'm about to find out. LOL

I will need to create a bracket that will keep the lid from folding all the way down - maybe something like this? See the red bracket. What do you think? I could use a chain but that would be cheesy and I would be compromising on the design.

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Ants87gt (ferrentino@q.com) MSG #540, 04-04-2010 02:05 AM
      For something to limit how far it opens on a lot of the new cars they use a plastic cable that uses a kind of push button that lock itself into a hole so it would be real easy to install and remove if you need to work on something. I'm sure you couldfind something like it at a junk yard and they'd probably give it to you.

Just an idea.
looking good.

Ant

On a side note I started on my console will post a thread when i get some more done on it, thanks again for the ideas and inspiration!


katatak MSG #541, 04-04-2010 04:38 PM
      Hey Greg,

I was thinking the same thing on a "limit strap". My 47 Chevy truck uses something similar to what your concept shows. One on each side. It's an radius piece of strap that is fastened to the lid with a 2 small studs. The "strap" slides through a slot in the dash and is bent at a 90 degree on the back side with a rubber sleeve like a bumper. I'll see if I can get some pics. Looking good as usual.

P.S. I am working with some glass today - I really miss this stuff. Glad to be back at it again. Thanks for the inspration!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #542, 04-04-2010 05:59 PM
      P,

That would great if you could get those pics! Every little bit helps. But those little straps might work too? Like you I've got a few junk yards I can rummage around in to see what I can find. Glad you're back to glassing - can't wait to see what you're doing next


Sofa King MSG #543, 04-04-2010 06:15 PM
      UPDATES!!!

I worked on 3 projects today - the other door panel, the glove box mock up and the radio cover... and away we go...

I taped off the edge of the top part of the door panel to fill in the groove with resin - same as other panel




This process took 3 passes with the resin to fill. I then had to do a lot of sanding - I MEAN A LOT OF SANDING. You can still see the unevenness



Second Pass


Near final



The garage floor is white from all the sanding




I began to fill in all the little holes with body filler on the radio cover - I got it all sanded but no pics - it looks the same



I then cut the glovebox mock up to match the concept image I did



And last but not least... I did it. I actually removed the a/c vents from the trim plate. It was easy but BOY was it a tough first cut. As you can see I saved the little center section



Now I have to fabricate a bracket or"something" with the proper height and depth to match up with the plate


It doesn't seem like I did much today because I mostly sanded. This week I'll remove the carpet from the door panel and then begin to lay fiberglass to build up the strength and then begin the the same process as the other door panel. Also, I can take the necessary steps to finish up the radio console with the trim plates. Although I am having trouble locating the hex screw mounting holes for the upper gauges - I'm not sure how to proceed with this - but I'll figure it out.

OH! Does anybody know a simple way to remove the carpet form the door panel?

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Sofa King MSG #544, 04-04-2010 06:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ants87gt:

For something to limit how far it opens on a lot of the new cars they use a plastic cable that uses a kind of push button that lock itself into a hole so it would be real easy to install and remove if you need to work on something. I'm sure you couldfind something like it at a junk yard and they'd probably give it to you.

Just an idea.
looking good.

Ant

On a side note I started on my console will post a thread when i get some more done on it, thanks again for the ideas and inspiration!


Hi A,

Great idea! I'll be making a quick stop at the local yard to see what I can find. Thanks for the info - good call.

Also, glad to read you've started your project - gotta post those pics. Everybody wants to see what other people are doing. If you have any questions just let me know. I'll see if I can help.

G(SK)



Sofa King MSG #545, 04-05-2010 08:06 AM
      All,

This image was just posted on a thread I started the other day. I'm considering recreating the rounded 89 prototype gauge housing - I'm considering it. I have enough foam core for a simple mock up so I'll see what I can do. But I desperately need to know exactly where the gauge cluster came from. However, I NEVER noticed the way the way the center console was laid out in the 89 concept. This is really sharp and is giving me some great ideas for my existing radio cover and a future design!



What do you guys think?


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #546, 04-05-2010 11:43 AM
      Hmmm. I've got mixed feelings on it. It looks very modern, but it also looks like every other car out there.

LaFierte MSG #547, 04-05-2010 12:13 PM
      like the radio console part but have to agree... gauge cluster looks like everything else out there... doesn't really match the rest of the more squared off interior (for the 89 concept).... maybe if you set the aux. gauges on top of the 89 concept style radio console and set them back a little so they are on the light grey part and mold them in (rounded off a little more like the bottom part) ..... not sure how to explain it and I haven't gotten Xara yet.... (don't get me wrong though this would be a different project (maybe one that I will do to my car), I like what you are doing with the white and black interior, the glove box for that looks like one of the early fiero concepts.)

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #548, 04-05-2010 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

All,

This image was just posted on a thread I started the other day. I'm considering recreating the rounded 89 prototype gauge housing - I'm considering it. I have enough foam core for a simple mock up so I'll see what I can do. But I desperately need to know exactly where the gauge cluster came from. However, I NEVER noticed the way the way the center console was laid out in the 89 concept. This is really sharp and is giving me some great ideas for my existing radio cover and a future design!


the cluster is the same as a 92 to 99 firebird

What do you guys think?




Sofa King MSG #549, 04-06-2010 08:15 AM
      THANKS! Looks like I'm going to have to make a run to several junk yards to see if I can find a wrecked Firebird. The dash cluster is just an idea right now. I still have a long way to go before I do anything.

I didn't do anything last night after work. I was just too tired. Depending on when I get home this afternoon I might get out and work some on the radio cover. After seeing the 89 Concept dash I have a few ideas that I want to look at for the face of the radio cover. I also need to start looking at the shifter plate design as well. If I get rid of the ash trays I'll have lots of room but what do I put in its place? OK guys... put your thinking caps on. Help me out here.


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #550, 04-06-2010 01:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


How much for one of those chicken sandwiches shipped?


Sofa King MSG #551, 04-06-2010 09:36 PM
      LOL $38.95 And well worth it!

Sofa King MSG #552, 04-06-2010 09:42 PM
      Minor Updates

Well I did it. I mounted the face plate to the radio cover. It's not a pretty sight just yet because I have to build up the sides in order to make everything flush and then add body filler etc... I also created a foam core lip similar to the 89 prototype interior that fits over the a/c vents. I also added a more resin to the door panel

Measuring out the face plate


You can see the gap


UGH... It aint pretty




Door panel



Simple foam core mock up of the a/c lip - I'm still tinkering with the idea - nothing is final. The edges would be slightly rounded and everything smoothed out. I also have to cut the hole for the upper gauges.


That's it for tonight. Hopefully more tomorrow

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hye_4_life MSG #553, 04-06-2010 11:43 PM
      How about raising the lip from over the A/C vents to over the aux. gauges?

Edit: punctuation

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deloreanant MSG #554, 04-07-2010 01:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hye_4_life:

How about raising the lip from over the A/C vents to over the aux. gauges?

Edit: punctuation



I was thinking the same thing.


Sofa King MSG #555, 04-07-2010 07:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by deloreanant:


I was thinking the same thing.


Maybe two of them? The one over the vents would be slightly larger. That way the radio cover isn't so top heavy. hmmmmm... Good idea...


Sofa King MSG #556, 04-07-2010 08:24 AM
      Hey All,

I know the radio cover looks like do-do right now. But I'm hoping to have the edges, drips, spaces and unevenessnessness cleaned up and looking smooth by this afternoon. I promise, I won't let you look at it in this condition for very much longer. LOL

I will have to fill the holes and redrill new ones in order to continue using the hex nuts. When you're working with fiberglass and filler you don't realize how stock parts change, twist, pull and bend during the build process. And that's what happened when I created the radio cover. I thought I lined up all the holes perfectly - nope. So, I'm going to fill the holes and redrill them from the back side. The nice thing, if I screw up, I start over again.

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Sofa King MSG #557, 04-07-2010 08:59 AM
      Here is how I'm hoping the radio cover will look once I sand it down and prep it - I added the a/c vent lip for show. I still have not addressed to the upper gauges yet.



LaFierte MSG #558, 04-07-2010 11:45 AM
      like it. Kind of what I was thinking (and trying to explain in an earlier thread).... I noticed that the 89 concept interior had a slight tray molded in to the bottom part (of the radio console) that connects to the shifter console cover.... something that you may consider for the one you are working on.

Sofa King MSG #559, 04-07-2010 01:10 PM
      Thanks!

The plan is to create an integrated tray. I'm not sure about the depth or size but it's definately going to be included.


Sofa King MSG #560, 04-07-2010 08:26 PM
      UPDATES!

As I promised I smoothed out the edges to the radio cover and I'm really happy with the way everything is turning out.

Applied filler to the edges - this is never an organized, neat or tidy task...




First pass after sanding and primer added - sorry for the bad pic - the sky was getting dark


Once that dried I did sand it down and added more filler - but I also added tape along the inner edges to protect the grooves from filler and resin



Once the 2nd coat of filler and primer dried I sanded smooth and shot another coat of filler/primer (I love that stuff)

You can see at the very bottom of the face plate I still need to fill in the gap between the plate and radio cover. I have to do this from the back side at first to ensure I get everything sealed. Then I have to make a very clean pass with the filler along the front side - but I have to be careful not to get ANY filler in the grooves of the stock face plate.


Looking better with each pass


Tomorrow - weather permitting - I'll cut the hole for the upper gauges and continue to smooth out and fill in the edges and add the lip above the vents and gauges

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #561, 04-07-2010 08:57 PM
      WOAH! I didn't realize you were gonna permanently attach the plates??? Cool idea! Its gonna look really sleek! I feel so bad, you get so much done every day, and I, a 16 year old with no set job schedule, can hardly do anything in a whole week! How do you find so much time?!?!

EDIT: I own the 15th page!!!!

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Sofa King MSG #562, 04-08-2010 08:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

WOAH! I didn't realize you were gonna permanently attach the plates??? Cool idea! Its gonna look really sleek! I feel so bad, you get so much done every day, and I, a 16 year old with no set job schedule, can hardly do anything in a whole week! How do you find so much time?!?!

EDIT: I own the 15th page!!!!



Thanks G! I was hoping to be much farther along that I am right now, but I should be able to play catch up this weekend and have something close to a finished product - it's always the details that get you bogged down.

LOL... when you're single and have no life... you kinda have too much time to play around. I have no real responsibilities other than my dogs and keeping the house paid for... So... I have time. Too much time... How sad is my life? LOL


TXGOOD MSG #563, 04-08-2010 02:39 PM
      Greg
That sounds like me, except I don`t even have a dog.
But, it seems by the time I get off work, get home and get to working on my project, it`s already getting into the evening.
I hope to get further along on my project this weekend, even though I have to work Saturday.


Sofa King MSG #564, 04-08-2010 03:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TXGOOD:

Greg
That sounds like me, except I don`t even have a dog.
But, it seems by the time I get off work, get home and get to working on my project, it`s already getting into the evening.
I hope to get further along on my project this weekend, even though I have to work Saturday.


LOL I'm sure there's a support group for us. I think it's called the "bar"?


Sofa King MSG #565, 04-08-2010 09:28 PM
      Very Minor Updates:

I continued to prep the radio cover and I added filler to the back side along the bottom to help secure the trim plate. I also created a few fiberglass pieces for the A/C vent lip and upper gauge lip - I'm still not sure whether to add these but I'll least get them fabricated and then see how they look. I used the method of cutting the fiberglass while it cured making the cutting process much easier - this saves so much time!

Radio cover primed awaiting more sanding


Prepping fiberglass


All the images cut to shape and ready for assembly - I'll connect the pieces using hot glue on the outside and then resin and glass on the inside


Like I said, very minor updates. I still didn't get around to cutting the hole in the radio cover for the upper gauges. Hopefully this weekend.


Sofa King MSG #566, 04-09-2010 08:14 AM
      Once again I created a graphic of what the radio cover would look like with lips over both the A/C vents and the upper gauges. I don't think it works. It's too bulky and heavy looking. I like the single lip over the vents that I created earlier but not both. What do you think?

Larger lip over the gauges


Larger lip over the vents


That's it for now. I have a lot planned for this weekend! It's supposed to be nice so I should be able to get a lot done


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #567, 04-09-2010 06:19 PM
      I don't understand the lips. It looks very sleek without them, and this seems to take away from all that meticulous sanding/filing/repeating/repeating/repeating/repeating/repeating/repeating/repeating/repeating process you did so well. Just my .02

Sofa King MSG #568, 04-10-2010 08:41 AM
      The lip over the A/C vent is supposed to resemble the lip over the 89 Prototype console. I really like the way that interior was designed so I thought to incorporate that one design element.

I'm hoping to get lots done today


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #569, 04-10-2010 01:15 PM
      What if you blended the two lips together? Like fill the gap between the top of the A/C vent lip and the bottom of the gauges lip.

Sofa King MSG #570, 04-10-2010 04:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:

What if you blended the two lips together? Like fill the gap between the top of the A/C vent lip and the bottom of the gauges lip.


That might work? I'll have to create a quick image to see what it looks like. Thanks!


Sofa King MSG #571, 04-10-2010 05:07 PM
      MAJOR UPDATES!!!!

Check it out!

I deconstructed the glove box and laid out the foam core in prep for the fiberglass - I just hope I can figure out where it all goes...


I didn't get all the pieces cut but did get most


I took these pieces and began fabricating one of two "lips"


I used hot glue on the outside to adhere the pieces together



Once everything was closed off



I then filled the shape with resin



I then sanded smooth - I created two of these


I put the main console back into the car and applied tape around the edges of the upper gauges - I used this as a template to get the basic hole cut in the radio cover


I put the cover back on and I could then see where the tape was


I took black paint and sprayed - this told me where to cut


I then drilled 4 holes - now just connect the dots and remove the waste


Basic hole cut and installed



I then lined up the trim plate, taped it in place and applied resin and filler



All primed up




The only issue is the depth of the upper gauges - they are slightly recessed - you can see the gap


Notice the potential use of the second lip



Basic cover with lip set on top


OK... gotta get back to work

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katatak MSG #572, 04-10-2010 07:38 PM
      Hey Greg,

An idea for your "recessed" aux gauges. Build a small lip inside to fill the gap? Looking good!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #573, 04-10-2010 09:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Hey Greg,

An idea for your "recessed" aux gauges. Build a small lip inside to fill the gap? Looking good!

Pat


Hey P,

Remember the plastic styrenne? I'm going to give that a shot and see how it turns out.


katatak MSG #574, 04-10-2010 11:17 PM
      Excellent idea!

Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #575, 04-11-2010 10:45 AM
      If it were me, I wouldn't install that lip on the top. I like the coin tray idea, though.

Is there any way you can move the aux gauges forward a bit? That would take care of the gap.


Sofa King MSG #576, 04-11-2010 02:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Blacktree:

Is there any way you can move the aux gauges forward a bit? That would take care of the gap.


GENIUS!

I created spacers using some extra glass and then drilled holes


I took the appropriate measurements from each side and mounted


TaDa - Almost perfect! Thanks for the GREAT IDEA, Blacktree!


Sofa King MSG #577, 04-11-2010 02:41 PM
      UPDATES!

I just spent the last 4 hours working on the radio cover. I started by removing all the primer. I then spread a thin layer of resin over the entire outside and let it sit in the sun. When that dried I hand sanded the entire console smooth using about 220 grit paper. I then applied one of the LAST layers of primer before going final. I still have a few holes and low areas but we're getting very close

Thin layer of resin applied


Sanded smooth


Primer added


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #578, 04-11-2010 07:31 PM
      I'm glad I could help.

Sofa King MSG #579, 04-12-2010 08:06 AM
      I installed the radio cover in the car and it looks fantastic! However... more sanding is required. UGH... It also squeaks like mad so I might line the inside with felt before final install. I do have to sand, paint and clear coat the actual radio console as well. Also, the design of the "tray" will also change as I need to take into account the shifter tray and everything else associated in that area.

Pic taken just moments ago...


More to come!


katatak MSG #580, 04-12-2010 11:07 AM
      Nice!

Sofa King MSG #581, 04-12-2010 02:54 PM
      Thanks! It's coming along. I did notice a little bit of gap between the radio and A/C controls and the radio cover. I'll do the same I did with the upper gauges - just create a spacer / washer to push both units out a little further to close up the gap. The sanding has become frustrating. I was hoping to be further along than I am.

I do have an extra center console sitting around. I'm tempted to see if I can copy the 89 prototype version


As I mentioned before - I'm about 95% sure I'll be creating the dash cluster as well!


Sofa King MSG #582, 04-14-2010 08:13 AM
      So I got into my yesterday after a tough day at work when 3 teens riding their bikes approached the car. All the 3 of them stopped and said "whoa... cool car...".

Yesterday was a great day.


Sharkman MSG #583, 04-14-2010 10:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

I then sanded smooth - I created two of these




Some nice work. Keep the pics coming.
Have you tryed bonocell. Then you could make this peace in about 10 min. I use it a lot. Fast and easy to work with.



Sofa King MSG #584, 04-14-2010 12:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:
Have you tryed bonocell. Then you could make this peace in about 10 min. I use it a lot. Fast and easy to work with.



I've heard of it. I'll definately look into it!

Thanks


Sofa King MSG #585, 04-14-2010 12:39 PM
      I looked it up - I can't find anything accept pics of Bono and Boncelli. LOL

Do you have a webiste?


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #586, 04-14-2010 09:19 PM
      I just made a cupholder today. Thought I'd let you know Lookin good, btw.

Sofa King MSG #587, 04-15-2010 08:14 AM
      Post some pics. We'd love to see your work

Sharkman MSG #588, 04-15-2010 09:22 AM
      Try some boatcompany. If you don´t find bonocell you can use divinycell that is a bit stronger but still easy to work with.
http://www.diabgroup.com/eu...ducts/e_prods_2.html


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #589, 04-15-2010 05:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Post some pics. We'd love to see your work


I'll put some pics in my center console thread when I get a chance.


Sofa King MSG #590, 04-17-2010 03:18 PM
      Minor Updates:

I spent the morning at a local service shop where they wanted almost 900 bucks to replace the axles and the rear wheel bearings - over the last few weeks the clanking and grinding has been getting really loud. They were going to charge me 220 per wheel bearing - not including labor. ummmm... yeah...

So, I went to the local auto parts store and bought the parts I needed for 370 bucks. After chatting with a good friend of mine at the parts store, she suggested I give a buddy of hers a call. I did and drove by his shop. He'll do the work for 250 bucks. SWEET!

In the meantime. I pulled the center console out and removed the armrest / cup holder. I noticed some air bubbles forming so I decided to sand down the armrest and repaint - I'm actually going to give it a little flair. I'm thinking rainbows and lighting bolts. I have NO IDEA what's going on but the primer will not properly adhere to the fiberglass without cracking. I've done everything I know how to clean the surface of the fiberglass. I beginning to suspect it's the primer.

Bubble


Other areas in question


Sanded down and laying primer


WHAT THE HECK!!!??? It did this 4 times


That's it for today. I'm frustrated and it's starting to rain. I'll pick up tomorrow and try to get these pieces finished including the radio cover - that piece is beginning to aggrevate me! LOL


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #591, 04-17-2010 04:59 PM
      dont put primer over enamel it will orange peel primer is a laquer and laquers eat enamel

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #592, 04-17-2010 05:02 PM
      spray gell coat over raw fiberglass to get a smooth finish and make sure there is no paint under it as it will lift and cause bubbles and do not glass over paint as it will not adhear to the paint
and cause bubbles to form as the paint hardens and srinks causing the glass resin to lift


Sofa King MSG #593, 04-17-2010 06:41 PM
      Looks like I have to remove ALL the primer and paint and start over. Great... More sanding! LOL

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #594, 04-17-2010 08:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Looks like I have to remove ALL the primer and paint and start over. Great... More sanding! LOL


Oh NOOOOOOOO! I feel your pain man


katatak MSG #595, 04-17-2010 10:17 PM
      I also read somewhere where rattle can primer is caca. For a high quality paint job, you need to use a spary gun with good quality primer. Thought I'd throw that out there for ya!

That first shop you went to was raping you! 250.00 for labor for all that work is not bad. Are you installing new axles? If so, be sure to put new seals in too! If we were closer, I'd do the work for free!

Pat



355Fiero MSG #596, 04-18-2010 12:54 PM
      For the paint lifting and getting air bubbles, you most likely have a problem with the fiberglass not being sealed before painting the final black colour. Go to an automotive paint shop and get them to give you some of their high build primer and do all your work with that. Don't use the auto parts store paints if you can at all help it for primer or final colour paint.

Once you have your final product ready for painting, go to the same store and get their primer/sealer paint and the final colour you want to paint the console. Satin black I assume for your work here.

Paint the console with your primer/sealer and do your final scuff and then paint on the satin black. The auto paint stores can now put the automotive paint into spray bombs for you and the spray bombs usually have a bit if a European spray nozzle which gives a bit of a wider pattern than the North American spray bombs do. I used to have to get the paint mixed into pint cans and then fill up a small air sprayers that came with a pressure canister and a glass jar that you put the paint and reducer in etc. Their technology has come a long way in the past many years. I bought a high build primer and a primer/sealer and 2 cans of colour for one of my small projects for about $90.00 Canadian. I am sure it will be a lot less down in the States as everything else seems to be...

If you follow these directions you should not have any problems with your paint peeling or bubbling in the future.

The paints cost more but once you do the painting as above, you won't have to do it all over again as you are having to do now...... ;o)

Cheers and good luck
Don


Sofa King MSG #597, 04-18-2010 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I also read somewhere where rattle can primer is caca. For a high quality paint job, you need to use a spary gun with good quality primer. Thought I'd throw that out there for ya!

That first shop you went to was raping you! 250.00 for labor for all that work is not bad. Are you installing new axles? If so, be sure to put new seals in too! If we were closer, I'd do the work for free!

Pat


Thanks man! I appreciate that. I wish i could the work myself but I just have the time or, space or proper tools yet. DANG BILLS!

I'm having the shop install new axles and rear bearings. The clanking is getting REALLY bad. I picked up the parts this morning and I'll be dropping the car off Tuesday. I'm going to run by The Fiero Factory and pick up a used rear passenger side caliper - the emergency brake isn't engaging on that side so I'll need a new one.

Thanks for the info on the seals. I'll pick those up as well.

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Sofa King MSG #598, 04-18-2010 05:14 PM
      UPDATES

I spent the morning drving around town picking up replacement axles and bearings. I then came home and stripped the clearcoat off the rims - the chrome was in really bad shape. I also removed all the paint from the armrest. I now get to go back and FILL all the holes again for the 235th time. UGH... But it's so nice today... I don't mind.

Rims - Before


Rims - After


All sanded and prepped


AHHH... love those holes.


Sorry I'm not farther along...

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katatak MSG #599, 04-18-2010 07:27 PM
      Wow! Rims turned out sweet.

Pat

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Sofa King MSG #600, 04-18-2010 09:41 PM
      And they're not even finished yet! I figure next weekend I'll really work on them

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Sofa King MSG #601, 04-18-2010 09:44 PM
      Minor Updates:

Picked up a new heat on sale for 10 bucks!


Used this baby to remove the carpet from the door panel


I worked on both the armrest and the radio console


Like I said... not much movement this weekend. I had too much to do.

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katatak MSG #602, 04-18-2010 10:47 PM
      I love it when I have an excuse to go buy new tools!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #603, 04-19-2010 08:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I also read somewhere where rattle can primer is caca.
Pat


LOL - caca. I love it! So far I've been really happy with the sandable "Primer Filler". It's been great stuff. It just never occured to me the mixture of the two paints would create the crackling effect. Oh well... live and learn, right?


Sofa King MSG #604, 04-19-2010 08:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I love it when I have an excuse to go buy new tools!

Pat


What a difference between the heat gun and removing the carpet with a friggin X-Acto knife - one thread at a time.


revin MSG #605, 04-19-2010 10:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


What a difference between the heat gun and removing the carpet with a friggin X-Acto knife - one thread at a time.


AND reshapeing platic parts!!
and streaching the upolstry(sp)
and heat shrink
and drying glue
and bubbling up paint (don't want to say how I knew that one )


Sofa King MSG #606, 04-19-2010 01:05 PM
      And burning the tip of your fingers...

Sofa King MSG #607, 04-21-2010 07:59 AM
      Mechanical Update:

I had the axles and rear wheel bearings replaced yesterday - what a difference! No more CLANKY CLANKY

The next mechanical fix are the front bearings, the rear calipers and the rack - UGH

I KNOW... why didn't I replace the calipers when I had the axles replaced? The parts were not available. I so I figure I'll do the remaining parts all at the same time.


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #608, 04-22-2010 09:57 PM
      Hey Greg, I just went to the junkyard today, and picked up something nice. I found THE PERFECT pull out cupholder for my center console. However, it may be a while till I get to that project..

katatak MSG #609, 04-22-2010 10:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Hey Greg, I just went to the junkyard today, and picked up something nice. I found THE PERFECT pull out cupholder for my center console. However, it may be a while till I get to that project..


Quit teasing and give us a pic G! You know we are all crazy about cup holders here in Greg's thread.

Pat



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #610, 04-23-2010 06:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Quit teasing and give us a pic G! You know we are all crazy about cup holders here in Greg's thread.

Pat


I know, I know! I haven't even been able to touch my project for the past week or so. I'll see if I can squeeze some project/ picture time today.


Sofa King MSG #611, 04-23-2010 09:12 AM
      I agree. No more tease. Where are those pics!

Sofa King MSG #612, 04-23-2010 09:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Quit teasing and give us a pic G! You know we are all crazy about cup holders here in Greg's thread.

Pat


LOL! That's right. The more cupholders the better!

You know it's funny. I spent all that time creating the cupholder, I haven't used it once.


katatak MSG #613, 04-23-2010 10:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


LOL! That's right. The more cupholders the better!

You know it's funny. I spent all that time creating the cupholder, I haven't used it once.


Yes - but you know it's there and ready any time you desire a cup holder! Better to have one and not need it then need one and not have it......Fiero Philosophy 101!

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Sofa King MSG #614, 04-24-2010 01:34 PM
      Exactly...

Sofa King MSG #615, 04-24-2010 01:43 PM
      UPDATES

I worked on the radio cover this morning and was able to get a lot done. I just a few more little divots to fill and then she's good to go.

I cut holes for the hex nuts. I'm going to cut the heads off and resin them into place - the nuts are for show only


I also cut a 45 degree angle on the edges of the lip I created. I've decided (95%) to go ahead and adhere this about the vents


Together (not permanently)


Primed


Overview of the holes cut


White primer


NICE & SMOOTH


Beauty Shot


OK... what do you think of this? If I did this I wouldn't be able to move the vents up and down. It's an interesting look but I'm not sold on it... yet...


That's it for now. Got to get back out there


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #616, 04-24-2010 04:20 PM
      Ahh, I think the emblem just looks out of place right there.

Sofa King MSG #617, 04-24-2010 05:12 PM
      Yeah... I tend to agree. It was just a thought.

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #618, 04-24-2010 07:27 PM
      Really? I really like the emblem. The imperfection-less fiberglass almost seems boring (no offense to your insanely perfect tedious work ) I really like how it looks so far. I also noticed that you drilled 4 holes at the top. Mine only has 2 attachment holes. Is yours different, or am thinking of the wrong thing?

Sofa King MSG #619, 04-24-2010 08:05 PM
      Both trim plates had 4 bolt holes. I had to move the holes on the lower trim plate for asthetic reasons and to account for the lip over the vents. Speaking of which, I've decided to put the lip over the vents - which means I can't place the Pontiac logo. But I'll fiddle with the design a little more before I go final

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Sofa King MSG #620, 04-24-2010 08:08 PM
      A few more updates: Had to edit due to an error

See Below

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Sofa King MSG #621, 04-24-2010 08:11 PM
      A few more updates:

I worked on both the door panel and the armrest. Since I'm going to do something different with the armrest I had to create more of lip around the edges. I also began to lay more glass on the door panel.

I used my trusty Dremel to cut into the edges to get a more defined look


Another


Trimming glass to prep for resin


Resin added - I'll add 2 more layers of glass to the panel and then basically do the same thing I did on the panel. It'll be nice to have them both finished and installed! I am considering putting the Pontiac Logo someplace but I don't want to overdo the whole "Logo" thing... I dunno, still thinking...


I had to add some weight because the panel was really warped


That's for today

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #622, 04-25-2010 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Both trim plates had 4 bolt holes. I had to move the holes on the lower trim plate for asthetic reasons and to account for the lip over the vents. Speaking of which, I've decided to put the lip over the vents - which means I can't place the Pontiac logo. But I'll fiddle with the design a little more before I go final


But your not putting the trim plates on, are you? I though you were just gonna screw the gauges into the console.


Sofa King MSG #623, 04-25-2010 07:33 AM
      The original trim plates have already been integrated into the new radio cover. To carry over from the original console design I went ahead and drilled the holes for the hex screws. They will not actually mount into anything. I'm going to cut the heads off, create backer plates that will be mounted behind the holes and then carefully resin the screw heads into place. Which means that whenever I have someone work on the car I have to remove the radio cover so they don't break the screw heads.

As you can see by these images the trim plates are resined and adhered to the radio cover I created



Does that make sense?

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #624, 04-25-2010 08:34 AM
      Okay. Got it. I knew you integrated the plates in, but I thought you would have filled in the holes. Have you thought about doing so?

Sofa King MSG #625, 04-26-2010 09:58 AM
      I was going to leave the holes filled but I'll give this design a chance. If it doesn't work, I can always fill the holes back up. Thanks god for resin & filler... and sanding... and sanding...

Galliero (ondprowl2@yahoo.com) MSG #626, 04-26-2010 05:10 PM
      Quick maybe obvious question: But once you lay your glass and it cures do you sand it first, then prime before you apply bondo or do you apply bondo, sand smooth then prime?

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #627, 04-26-2010 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Thanks god for resin & filler... and sanding... and sanding...


...and filler... And sanding...and more sanding...and filler...and sanding....more sanding...and then maybe a layer of resin....and more sanding


Sofa King MSG #628, 04-27-2010 07:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Galliero:

Quick maybe obvious question: But once you lay your glass and it cures do you sand it first, then prime before you apply bondo or do you apply bondo, sand smooth then prime?


That's a great question: I haven't been glassing for very long (if anybody else want to jump in please do so) but depending on the type glassing you're doing heavy sanding isn't always necessary. For example. If you're creating panels that will be covered with material (vinyl or leather, etc) then light sanding would probably be necessary especially around the edges and joints that have been sealed with resin and filler. But since it's going to covered, then heavy sanding isn't necessary at all because the padding and / or material will cover any slight flaws in the glass. However, if you lay glass over an object / body panel and spread resin and then the glass then you would probably have to do a light sanding to take down any high marks - this can be done by hand or by machine and the type of sand paper you're comfortable with.

If you're going to paint the surface then YES - you have to SAND SAND SAND and it doesn't matter whether you laid glass over an object or created individual panels. Sanding preps the surface to accept the filler and the primer. Obvious holes are usually filled first before a shot of primer goes on. When the primer is sprayed, that's when you really see how many little air bubbles made it to the surface - that's when the body filler comes in. I can't tell you how many times I've sanded an object only to find out that the fiberglass dust filled in countless holes - that's when you get a little frustrated (ask Katatak). You lay your filler, sand it smooth using various grits of paper (and it HAS to be smooth), shoot another coat of primer and do the process all over again until the all holes are filled and you have nice smooth surface. There is just no getting around the sanding at all - unless you really know what you're doing and/or you're working with gel coats and stuff like that - that's beyond me. So far, every piece of glass I've worked on has required extensive sanding and filling, priming, sanding, filling, priming, sanding, filling, etc etc etc... until the surface is exactly the way I need it to be.

I hope this helps? It was a little convoluted... sorry


Sofa King MSG #629, 04-27-2010 07:56 AM
      OK GUYS...

This is bad... really bad...

I temporarily installed the radio cover back into the car to get a feel for fit and finish... And I'm not feeling it... I don't like it. Not sure what happened and I really don't know what to do at this point. Granted I still have to fix the gaps between the radio, a/c, and the cover, paint the actual console itself and then adhere the lip over the vent... but I'm just not excited about this piece anymore. Not sure what to do or what direction to go... I really like the look of the 89 console and I think that's where I got in trouble... My focus shifted.

I don't know. I'm just not feeling it with the piece. Something is missing!



UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TXGOOD MSG #630, 04-27-2010 11:34 AM
      I don`t know if you guys are actually using full "bondo" but you ought to try glazing putty for the small imperfections.
It goes on a lot smoother and is easier to sand.
I use this. It`s a good all around putty even for your SMC.
Mike

http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=29

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Galliero (ondprowl2@yahoo.com) MSG #631, 04-27-2010 06:30 PM
     

 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


That's a great question: I haven't been glassing for very long (if anybody else want to jump in please do so) but depending on the type glassing you're doing heavy sanding isn't always necessary. For example. If you're creating panels that will be covered with material (vinyl or leather, etc) then light sanding would probably be necessary especially around the edges and joints that have been sealed with resin and filler. But since it's going to covered, then heavy sanding isn't necessary at all because the padding and / or material will cover any slight flaws in the glass. However, if you lay glass over an object / body panel and spread resin and then the glass then you would probably have to do a light sanding to take down any high marks - this can be done by hand or by machine and the type of sand paper you're comfortable with.

If you're going to paint the surface then YES - you have to SAND SAND SAND and it doesn't matter whether you laid glass over an object or created individual panels. Sanding preps the surface to accept the filler and the primer. Obvious holes are usually filled first before a shot of primer goes on. When the primer is sprayed, that's when you really see how many little air bubbles made it to the surface - that's when the body filler comes in. I can't tell you how many times I've sanded an object only to find out that the fiberglass dust filled in countless holes - that's when you get a little frustrated (ask Katatak). You lay your filler, sand it smooth using various grits of paper (and it HAS to be smooth), shoot another coat of primer and do the process all over again until the all holes are filled and you have nice smooth surface. There is just no getting around the sanding at all - unless you really know what you're doing and/or you're working with gel coats and stuff like that - that's beyond me. So far, every piece of glass I've worked on has required extensive sanding and filling, priming, sanding, filling, priming, sanding, filling, etc etc etc... until the surface is exactly the way I need it to be.

I hope this helps? It was a little convoluted... sorry


Thanks alot this information is so important to know. I, like you, haven't been working with glass long and I am learning as I go. Alot of my information had come from PFF member and has been very helpfull. Although not fully complete I am comimg to the end of the glassing phase on my complete body kit built on the Fiero frame and yes I am aware that I ama long way from finished becuase there will be several thousand hours of sanding to be done, but I will take it one step at a time and eventually I will get done. So this info will help me move on to the sanding , bondo, priming phase. I haven't updated my post lately because I want to finish laying (not sanding) all the glass before I post again to show the members that i have been making progress and at thi spoint only pics showing all the glass layed will actually give you an idea of the scope of this project especially from a beginner like me. Its taken me along time because like you everytime Im on PFF I see something someone else is doing and I want to incorporate it in to my project so it keeps growing and changing ( for the better I hope) ! My project is in the Technical section called "Get off your Glass and do it"

So the more convoluted the better...I dont think I would comprehend it otherwise...



Sofa King MSG #632, 04-27-2010 07:33 PM
      Glad I could be of some help. However... you've forced us to demand you to start posting pics again! You have understand, a lot of us love what you're doing and want to see the progression of your project as it changes and evolves - thus putting more fires under our own butts! It's also a great way to get ideas, learn new things and help each other out.

Now get out there, take some pics and post them! LOL


Sharkman MSG #633, 04-28-2010 08:59 AM
      Try and paint the parts with the colors you should have and se if you get the feeling back. It can be hard to se when it´s in the wrong colors.
Just use a spraycan for a cheap test


katatak MSG #634, 04-28-2010 06:23 PM
      Aw Greg! Like Sharkman said - finish it and then step back and look at it again. I think you have more time in the AC surround then you did in the console/arm rest. Maybe it's just a case of "burn out"? Go work on those door panels for awhile then come back to the AC surround. I was feeling the same way about my console. After a break, I got reenergized, finished it and now I love it! Don't give up and change directions - you are close. Build the 89 style later! Phase 2 so to speak.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #635, 04-29-2010 07:56 AM
      You guys are right. I have to stand back from the center console and work on the door panels. Get my eyes and thoughts focused on something else. I'm not sure what happened. I have too many ideas running through my head. I'm always looking at ways to improve upon a design. I don't know how the car designers do it!

Sofa King MSG #636, 04-29-2010 08:06 AM
      DOOR PANEL QUESTION:

I'll be popping the stock door panels off VERY soon to replace them with the updated versions I have. Is there anything I should / need to know before removing them? Should I purchase extra plastic retainer clips? Anything you guys can tell me would help me out. Don't want to go in and start removing things and then not be able to reinstall everything!


katatak MSG #637, 04-30-2010 12:55 AM
      Hey Greg,

Do yourself a favor and pick up a set of interior panel removal tools. You can get several different grades/sets at Harbor Frieght for cheap. Then go to Auto Zone, etc. and get a package of GM style fastners for the door panel as you will most likely break a few if not all plus once you remove them from the door, they really will not hold good the second time around. Take your time and make sure you have the removal tool under the large part of the fastner head. If you are in the wrong place, you can damage the door panel. Near the top on each end is a metal bracket - these tend to pull off the door panel pretty easy.

There are 2 small phillips screws in the inside door handle - one behind the Pegasus/Fiero plate and the other behind a round plug. The door handle trim comes off with a little jockeying and a twist to get it over the handle. You will have to pop the door lock lever off the lock rod. With it in the unlock position, gently pry it out. I take the screws out first then go in from behind with a long skinny screw driver and pop it of the rod from the back side of the cover. 3 large phillips screws in the arm rest.

Do you have manual or power mirrors? Power or Manual windows? I can't remember.

Power windows and mirrors are easier to remove the door panel than manual.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #638, 05-02-2010 08:10 AM
      I've got power windows so I should be good to go - thanks for the info!

Sorry for the lack of progress guys. I know I've been slacking... things have been really hectic these last few weeks. If the weather holds I'm hoping to get out there today and get some things done!


Sofa King MSG #639, 05-03-2010 07:47 AM
      Some Updates!

It rained ALL weekend but in between the down pours I was able to squeak out some forward movement. The humidity made the drying times a bit longer. I still have a few touch ups but it's coming along.

Added more filler to the radio cover


Then took a file and rounded out all the hex nut holes


The armrest proved to be a HUGE pain! She refuses to go down without a FIGHT! It's been a frustrating task.


Added more filler to the console and then sanded


Added the first layer of gloss paint


In the car. I'm still not sure what to do about the shift console. I need to design something that compliments both the armrest and the radio cover. I'm still working different designs. If you guys have ANY ideas - please shoot them my way! One thing definite, I am going to create a little tray that sits right in front of the radio - per my original design. I think this will be permanently attached to the center console but I'm not sure yet. The tray will be fairly deep and the design will carry from radio cover to the shifter console - good stuff! Still not sure what to do with vent lip. Add it? Leave it off?


I still have a more filler to add and then the daunting task of sanding the paint, spraying the high gloss clear, sanding, clear, sanding, clear... etc etc etc. OH yeah... I like that part.

I think I'm back on track and the creative juices are flowing!

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Sharkman MSG #640, 05-03-2010 05:42 PM
      Nice work, I will se if I can draw something for your to get more ideas

Sharkman MSG #641, 05-03-2010 06:30 PM
      Simple and clean



This way the white will follow from the stereo consol over on this peace.

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katatak MSG #642, 05-03-2010 10:53 PM
      Yep - Greg,

Now you have to work the shift console! It looks out of place. You can do it!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #643, 05-04-2010 07:29 AM
      BRILLIANT! I love it!

The design works and naturally flows from the radio to the armrest. The curves on the sides of the shifter captures and creates a visual "cup or bowl" where the radio cover and shifter plate meet - it's brilliant! Of course now... I have to build it...

This is wonderful! I'll play with the overall design a little bit to incorporate the tray and the window switches. But this is a fantastic design and starting point - KUDOS!!!!!

THANK YOU!


katatak MSG #644, 05-05-2010 07:51 PM
      Hey Greg,

Check out my solution to my arm rest dilema! Simple, easy and no arm sweating on the vinyl! I love it.






Later

Pat


Sofa King MSG #645, 05-06-2010 07:17 AM
      GASP!

What is that? A foam pad? Quick! Easy! Genius!


katatak MSG #646, 05-07-2010 12:28 AM
      I just coveresd an old spare console with packing tape, layed some glass down, Trimmed to the size is wanted and covered it in headliner material. I bet there is not more than 8 bucks in that thing. I cruised the car around town all day today - 80 plus miles - 96* outside - nice and cool inside and no sticking to the console! It works great.

Pat


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #647, 05-07-2010 12:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King: The design works and naturally flows from the radio to the armrest. The curves on the sides of the shifter captures and creates a visual "cup or bowl" where the radio cover and shifter plate meet - it's brilliant! Of course now... I have to build it...

It would look kinda funny to have a complete custom interior, except for that stock shifter bezel sitting there like a sore thumb.

YES, you MUST build it... and post photos for us to drool over.


Sofa King MSG #648, 05-10-2010 07:59 AM
      Hey Guys,

I've been really slacking these past couple of weeks. I think I just needed a break from all the dust, sanding and overall frustration I've been having as I get closer to finishing - my mind is constantly racing to improve upon what I've done and it keeps putting me into a bind. Not to worry - I am NOT going to just stop working. I ask you just hang in there with my slackerness.


Sharkman MSG #649, 05-10-2010 09:34 AM
      You are doing the right thing. Give it a break and you will get the lust back

Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #650, 05-10-2010 09:49 AM
      I agree. If you keep trying to slog through it, you'll probably just burn yourself out. Take a break, man. You've earned it!

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #651, 05-10-2010 08:01 PM
      Its always good to give the dust a few days to get out of your lungs. Feels nice to breathe, don't it?

katatak MSG #652, 05-11-2010 12:17 AM
      Good air in - Bad air out!

P.S. I like it when you take a break - then I don't feel like I have to work so hard to try and catch up with you! You need a rest so I can rest..........

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TXGOOD MSG #653, 05-11-2010 07:59 AM
      We all go through it.
I too, haven`t done anything for the last few weeks.
I`m just starting to get back on my project.


Sourmug MSG #654, 05-12-2010 12:57 AM
     

But no pressure...


Tony Kania MSG #655, 05-12-2010 11:06 AM
      I have been busy myself, and had not really had time to comment. Then, I come back in, and you are not doing a damn thing! Geez! (He, he, he. Get some rest the brother. You know what they say........all work and no play, will make you SofaKing angry. )

Sofa King MSG #656, 05-12-2010 11:11 AM
      Hey Guys,

Thanks for the kind words. I just have to press my head into a vice and push out the farts!


Sofa King MSG #657, 05-12-2010 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Good air in - Bad air out!

P.S. I like it when you take a break - then I don't feel like I have to work so hard to try and catch up with you! You need a rest so I can rest..........



Well if that's the case... I have to get busy!



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #658, 05-13-2010 10:07 PM
      Quick question: did you keep the insulation in while working on the center console?

Sofa King MSG #659, 05-14-2010 07:59 AM
      Not at all. There's been no fire... so all is well. Come to think of it... I might put it back in...

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #660, 05-14-2010 05:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Not at all. There's been no fire... so all is well. Come to think of it... I might put it back in...


Alright. It'll be easy to work my way around it, I was just wondering. I finally did some fiberglass work today, and I realized I really miss the smell!!!


RUPPERT89 (mikeruppy@yahoo.com) MSG #661, 05-17-2010 03:41 PM
      keep it up man! you inspired me to sign up and make this site my homepage. really interested in whats the final product is gonna look like.

Sofa King MSG #662, 05-18-2010 09:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:


Alright. It'll be easy to work my way around it, I was just wondering. I finally did some fiberglass work today, and I realized I really miss the smell!!!


LOL! The smell is somewhat addictive... I was going to work on the door panels this weekend but I ran into a few personal issues that sidelined me (nothing serious). I'm hoping to get back out there this weekend.


Sofa King MSG #663, 05-18-2010 09:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RUPPERT89:

keep it up man! you inspired me to sign up and make this site my homepage. really interested in whats the final product is gonna look like.


Thanks! I'll get back out there. The door panels are next in line. The console has been bugging the PEEPEE out of me! I'm not sure what it is but it seems to be missing something. I'll figure it out. In the meantime I'm going to focus on the door panels, headliner and other interior trim pieces.

Funny story! I took a long road trip over the weekend. The one time I needed my exclusively designed / made cupholder... I didn't have it! I actually laughed out loud!

I know I know... enough stories and get back to work!


Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #664, 05-18-2010 03:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:
The console has been bugging the PEEPEE out of me! I'm not sure what it is but it seems to be missing something. I'll figure it out.


How about I toss this out, Too Much White? Cover up the top and sides and lower part with a black paper or something and only leave the gauge/controls/radio area white and see how that looks.



Sofa King MSG #665, 05-19-2010 07:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kento:


How about I toss this out, Too Much White? Cover up the top and sides and lower part with a black paper or something and only leave the gauge/controls/radio area white and see how that looks.


Great minds think alike! I thought about that exact thing! I'll be be doing some color tests this weekend and see what patterns looks best.


Sofa King MSG #666, 05-22-2010 02:54 PM
      MINOR UPDATES! I'm BACK!!!! Kinda...

I got started back on the door panel and decided to try something different with the center console...

Door panels - starting to fill in with body filler and then I'll prep to cut out the "armrest" portion of the door panel




And then I decided to paint the console black to see how this looks.


Tomorrow will be full speed ahead! I'm feeling good and I got the bug again!


katatak MSG #667, 05-22-2010 11:49 PM
      Wahoo!

Sofa King MSG #668, 05-23-2010 12:52 PM
      Minor Update

I'll get a better pic of the console. But here it is painted black and installed.



I think the shifter console might look better with the main plate painted gloss white. I'm still working ideas. It feels good to be back out working!

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Sofa King MSG #669, 05-23-2010 01:01 PM
      That was quick... here are a few more. I think I like this best!





grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #670, 05-23-2010 01:09 PM
      That looks so good!!!

katatak MSG #671, 05-24-2010 12:09 AM
      Amazing what just changing the color can do! That looks really good Greg.

Sofa King MSG #672, 05-24-2010 07:37 AM
      Thanks Guys!

It really is amazing what a simple color change will do. I'm really happy with it. I'm going to do a few more color tests with the stock grey colors as well. Next is to incorporate the tray and then work on the shifter console / plate - which should prove very interesting... I still haven't decided on the "vent lip" yet. decision decisions...


Sofa King MSG #673, 05-28-2010 10:54 AM
      I'm jumping on the project this weekend!

Color change - what do you guys think of this concept?



grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #674, 05-29-2010 06:39 AM
      I love it! I can't tell from the pic, but are you matching the grey to the rest of your interior?

Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #675, 05-30-2010 03:30 PM
      see what did i tell ya that combo looks great.

katatak MSG #676, 05-30-2010 10:51 PM
      Better yet!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #677, 05-31-2010 10:00 PM
      Sofa King are you still sittin on your duff never get it done that way

Sofa King MSG #678, 06-01-2010 08:38 AM
      Hey Guys,

Well... the plan was to get back to work on the center console, door panels, etc this weekend - mainly Monday - since it was a holiday. Monday morning I went to open the garage door when the tension spring shattered into 5 different pieces. I've seen them break into 2 or 3 pieces but never 5. Needless to say it was pretty freaky and the noise scared the cr@p out of me! With that, the project was put on hold... UGH...

I'll get to it this week - definately this weekend.


Sofa King MSG #679, 06-07-2010 09:13 AM
      I was able to get bondo & glass work done on the other door panel! MORE TO COME!!!!!





Sofa King MSG #680, 06-07-2010 02:54 PM
      Minor Updates

Added more filler to the door panel cup holder









Painted the console light grey - but I think it needs to be the darker grey


More to Come


Sofa King MSG #681, 06-07-2010 09:06 PM
      A few more updates:

Got the sanding finished on the cup holder


Just need to paint the dark grey area next


Lots of sanding a filler build up on the door panel


Side by Side


I decided to go with the darker grey - it looks much better. However, I will have to do a little extra fiberglass work near the bottom on the radio cover. I don't like the rounded edges


Moew to come!

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katatak MSG #682, 06-07-2010 10:39 PM
      Better and better......I like the grey suround base with the black cover - looks great.

Sofa King MSG #683, 06-08-2010 05:27 PM
      Thanks! It felt nice getting back out there and working. I didn't realize how burnt out I was...

Next in line is ALL mechanical: front bearings, all 4 callipers, rotors and pads, new A/C compressor and Rack & Pinion. UGH... It's an expensive hobby


Sofa King MSG #684, 06-12-2010 07:23 PM
      UPDATES!!!!!

It was 95 degrees and what felt like 100% humidity! But I got a lot DONE! Check it out

I masked off the armrest/cupholder to prep for the dark grey


Couple coats later


I removed the tape too soon and peeled the paint




After it was masked again and then sprayed with several coats flat clear


I'm doing a test with this texture paint


The plan is to sand down to see if I can create the same look as the dash - if this works I'll paint the console
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

I did a lot of sanding on the door panel


Another


A few more touch ups with filler & primer and lots of sanding and she'll be ready for the next phase - cutting the black portion

With filler / primer




That's it for today - lots more tomorrow!


grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #685, 06-13-2010 08:11 AM
      Lookin good man! Thats an interesting idea for the textured spray paint. Show some pics of what it'll look like in the car please!

Sofa King MSG #686, 06-23-2010 09:10 AM
      Hi All,

The car is now at the Fiero Factory getting fixed: wheel bearings, brakes, steering colum fixed, rack & pinion, and much more. The new radio came in so I'll be able to start work on the iPod connection - that's going to be a fun project!

I also sent the headliner and sun visors to be recovered. I was hoping to have the headliner done with the black vinyl but they said the material was too thick so they're applying a black foam material. But everything should be ready by the first of the next week!

Also, on the weather front - it's been in the 100's so working out in the garage has been less than comfortable. But not to worry. I'll muster up some strength and get back out there.


Sofa King MSG #687, 06-23-2010 09:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by grkboy707:

Lookin good man! Thats an interesting idea for the textured spray paint. Show some pics of what it'll look like in the car please!


Thanks! The first attempt didn't turn out exactly how I wanted. I have several scrap pieces of glass lying around so I'm going to practice a bit more


katatak MSG #688, 06-23-2010 08:28 PM
      While it's over at the Fiero Factory, might as well have them stuff a 4.9 in there! I like the texture idea. I'll have to send you some pics of the wrinkle paint I tried back in the winter! After sitting in the shed for all this time, it looks really good - already thinking about something new for the V8 Coupe. Although we will have to wait till the Fall - it's just too damn hot here for glass work!

Pat



CrazyBernie MSG #689, 06-23-2010 11:19 PM
      I just read through this whole thread... very nice. I was tooling around on the intertoobs for information about simulated leather paint... when I found this interesting Patent Application from 1993:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5438085.html

It details the creation of a leather-like paint and if you read the PDF, appears to give the ingredients and mixture levels to create your own... !

Dunno what you would be looking at cost-wise, but it might be worth a look-see.


Also, the '89 prototype with the rounded edges and multi-grays reminds me of the Japanese SNES, the Super Famicom



Sofa King MSG #690, 06-26-2010 12:53 PM
      Hi All,

I drove by the Fiero Factory yesterday and it turns out the cross member IS bent and will need to be replaced - ugh...

However, I got lots of pics of the car, a real nice Dino replica and the Fiero Factory itself - the warehouse is amazing! Those who have never been or seen pics you're in for quite a treat! PICS COMING SOON!


Sofa King MSG #691, 07-02-2010 08:42 AM
      hey guys, a few photo updates. The car has been at the Fiero Factory for the past few weeks. Here are some pics

Kinda Boring



New deck lid - the lock area on my lid was completely rusted out so were changing this out


I got some new play paint!


More soon!


Sofa King MSG #692, 07-02-2010 08:47 AM
      A few more pics - VERY COOL Dino replica sitting in the lot at the Fiero Factory!







Enjoy!


Sofa King MSG #693, 07-02-2010 08:59 AM
      Guys,

I forgot how much fun it was posting to the forum! LOL I'll be creating a new post called "The Fiero Factory" and wanted to give you guys a sneak peak at what's coming...

Need a dash? Yeah, they got that!


Need some seat foam? I think they have a few


Need a gauge cluster? hmmmm... I'm not sure if they have any


Need some washer fluid?


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #694, 07-06-2010 11:26 PM
      Just like to say you've inspired me to give fiberglassing a shot. Laid down my first ever fiberglass today. Wasn't as bad as I thought.
Keep up the good work!


Sofa King MSG #695, 07-07-2010 12:16 PM
      CONGRATS! Glassing is a lot of fun. But you got to post images! Let's see the work!

Sofa King MSG #696, 07-13-2010 12:36 PM
      Hi All,

Just got the car back from The Fiero Factory! Jeremy and his team did an amazing job! She feels like a completely different car! THANKS TO THE FACTORY!!!!

Also, I've decided to go in another direction with the entire center console. You see... this is what happens when you sit for too long and let your mind wander... I'll be redoing the entire armrest, cupholder and center stack using the the stock pieces instead of making all new ones - that was the first mistake I made. The basic design will stay the same for the armrest, I just want to use the skeleton and create a few more little goodies.

When the new armrest / cupholder is semi-finished I'll sell the old one to the highest bidder!

BACK TO THE PILE!


Sofa King MSG #697, 07-19-2010 09:51 AM
      TEENY TINY Update

I installed the recently re-painted cupholder. I really like the contrasting colors





Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #698, 07-19-2010 11:24 AM
      I like it, looks good! custom but stock looking at the same time.



aaronkoch (cheddarlump@cheddarlump.net) MSG #699, 07-19-2010 01:55 PM
      That's just pure sexy right there..

VERY nice work.





Sofa King MSG #700, 07-20-2010 09:07 AM
      Thanks for kind words! When I get started on the next console, this badboy will be up for sale!

magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #701, 07-20-2010 05:48 PM
      Looking real good! I want to do something similar to my center radio consol, that looks real clean and stock, awesome work and keep it up! How's the door panels coming? Anything new with them?



Sofa King MSG #702, 07-21-2010 10:27 AM
      Thanks! No work on the door panels as of late. Every time I go out to work on them the 100+ degree heat and humidity hit me smack in the face and it's just unbearable! I tried working on them at 6 in the morning on the weekends and it's just too humid to do anything... except sweat!

But not to worry - I'm not going to abandon the project, I just can't deal with the heat - i know... call me a wuss! LOL


katatak MSG #703, 07-25-2010 03:58 PM
      OK - You asked for it! WUSS!

J/K - the console looks great Greg. I have not had much tine for any "glass work" these days. I have been building a few arm rest pads for the my Formula, the XTC and a few of the local guys Fieros - just a simple fiber glass cap with headliner material glued to it. They work great in the heat - no more forearm sticking to the arm rest/console area.










I'm have a new project for the winter - going to build a Fiero "roadster". Right now the vision is a 86 coupe sans roof and a cut down windshield - more of a wind screen. British racing green with one white or light yellow stripe, British sports car "toneau" cover, custom built interior tube cage/chassis support, install a 10 gallon fuel cell in the spare tire well/truck area, remove the gass tank tunnel and build a complete - race car style aluminum interior. The center console will be low - about the same height as the seat bottom. Move the shifter back - closer to the driver. All backed up by a 350 SBC and a 5 or 6 spd! Sound good? I already have the car - just need the time to get into it. There will be a lot of glass work molding in the tops of the "missing" B pilars. Most the rest of the interior will be rolled and beaded aluminum - I want it to have a road race look with aftermarket guages, speedo and tach. I am pretty pumped and am hoping to have it done for next summers rod runs and maybe some autocross!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #704, 07-26-2010 11:25 AM
      Hey K,

Love the armrest covers - simple yet very functional! The roadster sounds like a great project! Do you have any sketches of the project? I've always toyed with the idea of a factory made/looking Fiero convertible. Are you going to start a new post?

Am I a wuss? YES I AM! I admit it... LOL And I am very ashamed... And with that... I'll force myself to get back out there!


Sofa King MSG #705, 08-03-2010 02:24 PM
      A frustrating end to a great weekend! I was on my way home after a long drive when the 88 just quit on me. I was able to start the car several times and limp a little way before it would quit. I had a full tank and could hear the fuel pump working... Each time it quit I would hear the whine of the pump and PFFFT - she would quit. It got to the point where it would only run for about 10-20 seconds before quiting.

I have no idea what's going on but she's back at the Fiero Factory.

I'm hoping for a quick and inexpensive fix!


Sofa King MSG #706, 08-09-2010 04:02 PM
      I know guys are waiting for updates but the temps are still too high - triple digits!!!! I just ask you be patient!

Sofa King MSG #707, 08-16-2010 08:28 AM
      DESIGN UPDATE

Hi All,

Taking a design idea from Katatak... I'm going to create a fiberglass overlay for the cupholder. The concept will be very similar in concept and design as the one Katatak is creating for his car and other members. I'm going to try to wrap my overlay with leatherette / vinyl. Here is concept image.



It's supposed to be 112 degrees today... UGH


Sofa King MSG #708, 08-17-2010 09:05 AM
      UPDATE!!!

I saw a LARGE package on my front porch when I left for work this morning... HMMMMM... I wonder what it is????

STAY TUNED!!!!!


Sourmug MSG #709, 08-17-2010 02:27 PM
     

Sofa King MSG #710, 08-18-2010 08:39 AM
      MASSIVE MAJOR HUGE AWESOME UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As of this moment the radio stack design has changed! Why? Well... A few changes are about to take place. I mentioned that I received a package in the mail... Check it out!

The Package - if you notice... the delivery man left the package in the friggin rain. UGH... Luckily there was enough packing material to protect the contents. What contents?


Unloading all the goodies... what could it be?


Wait? HUH?


This dash cluster won't fit in a Fiero! Or will it?


BINGO


Backside


Up close


Side View


I am really PUMPED about this project and can't wait to get started on creating the new center stack.


I'm hoping I can drop the cluster off with Jeremy at the Fiero Factory. He likes to tinker with electronics so this is going to be a MASSIVE challenge for him - I hope he's up for the task. If there is anybody in the Huntsville, AL area who is electronics whiz... drop me a line! I know it's not an exact replica of the concept cluster but I think it's cool either way. 89 Concept Dash... Here I come! LOL

STAY TUNED!!!!!

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Sourmug MSG #711, 08-18-2010 02:27 PM
      That looks like it has some great potential, can't wait to see the finished pod!

Nolan


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #712, 08-18-2010 03:32 PM
      And you are gonna just stop right there and not tell us any more information , such where did it come from, any more for sale ,etc. You get the picture?

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #713, 08-18-2010 07:51 PM
      Man does that look familiar....glad it got there in one piece... Check your PM's -JC

Also check with JSCOTT he was making adapter boxes for the F-body dash swaps. I believe that is one of the keys to making it work. I was talking to him about it a couple of years ago when I first got it.
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

And you are gonna just stop right there and not tell us any more information , such where did it come from, any more for sale ,etc. You get the picture?


It's a one off, hand made and no molds it needs more work than what I already put into it...Alot of modification of the circut board and needle board. It might be kinda difficult to replicate.

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Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #714, 08-18-2010 07:57 PM
      Double post, I didn't think you could still do that....

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Sofa King MSG #715, 08-19-2010 08:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

And you are gonna just stop right there and not tell us any more information , such where did it come from, any more for sale ,etc. You get the picture?


I'm sorry!!!!! I wasn't thinking! LOL I purchased the cluster from a fellow member Jason (aka Fierofreak00) I really lucked out on this purchase! Thanks J!!! I'm considering splashing molds of the housing but that's it. There is a method called vacu forming where a hot piece of plastic is placed over any object and the plastic is pulled down by a vacuum and takes the shape of whatever object you're taking a mold from - that's the simple explanation. Here's a link for a basic understanding: http://www.youtube.com/watc...DTUo&feature=related

I'm not an electronics whiz by any means so any electronic conversion / modifications will have to be done by the owner - but at least they have a really cool housing to start with!

I did chat with Jeremy at the Fiero Factory and he is willing to tackle the job but it won't be until late fall / winter when things begin to slow down. And I'm fine with that. As you know I am working the door panels and a new center console is going to be fabricated as well - especially with the new cluster. I will also be working on the new housing - sanding, glassing, etc... As many of you know I'm somewhat of a perfectionist so this project is really going to be fun!

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #716, 08-19-2010 06:00 PM
      I step out for a few weeks, and this happens?!? I'm proud to call you my teacher! Its looking really cool, and I cant wait to see it when its finished- or as close to finished as it'll be in my lifetime (these dang projects never end!)

Sofa King MSG #717, 08-20-2010 07:59 AM
      You are correct! The projects don't end... ever! That's what makes cars so fun. The personalization of our cars is so diverse and also very exciting (let's be honest). From low riders, to rice burners, to moster trucks to Fieros. We all share the same passion... cars cars cars!

I'm really pumped to get started on a whole new center console - from the radio to the ECM. I'm going to try my hand at foam as well - just to see how that plays out. I'm creating a whole new armrest console that will include the original skeleton. I want to take advantage of the mounting point and side vents. The one I already created will be for sale. Not sure on a price yet or if anybody even wants it?

How are your projects coming along?


Sofa King MSG #718, 08-22-2010 09:16 AM
      Minor Update

Despite the horrible heat I went ahead and painted the new cluster housing to get an idea of what it might look like. I also painted the texture coated piece of fiberglass - I'm still unsure of the final product


After some light sanding and awaiting paint


Same for the backside


Another


Painting begins



Backside has the dark grey paint


Side by side


After drying I test fitted the pieces and then joined with the cluster - I LOVE IT!





I recently had the Fiero Factory install the trunk release switch but I don't have a defroster so I'll need to fill one of the holes - bottom right side will be the likely candidate. I would like to keep the layout the same as the stock dash.

I'm also thinking about creating a replacement bolt on cluster cover that mimics the 89 concept pod - curves and what not. Not sure how I'll tackle this but the concept would be interesting. What do you guys think?

More to come!

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Sofa King MSG #719, 08-25-2010 09:41 AM
      GOOD NEWS

For the first time in almost 2 months the temp actually dropped below 90 during the day and got to the 60's at night... not that anybody is really interested in the weather... but it means I can finally start working on the interior again!


Sourmug MSG #720, 08-25-2010 05:32 PM
      Yes that would be interesting to see what you come up with to mimic the 89 cluster. Glad to hear that the weather isn't so hot, you should come live up here!

Nolan


Sofa King MSG #721, 08-26-2010 08:40 AM
      Hey N,

I'm really pumped. I'm collecting supplies now and hopefully the weekend will be cool enough to get started!


Mickey_Moose (edmontonfieros@shaw.ca) MSG #722, 08-27-2010 03:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

I'm sorry!!!!! I wasn't thinking! LOL I purchased the cluster from a fellow member Jason (aka Fierofreak00) I really lucked out on this purchase! Thanks J!!! I'm considering splashing molds of the housing but that's it. There is a method called vacu forming where a hot piece of plastic is placed over any object and the plastic is pulled down by a vacuum and takes the shape of whatever object you're taking a mold from - that's the simple explanation. Here's a link for a basic understanding: http://www.youtube.com/watc...DTUo&feature=related


...ok, just so I am straight on this, is the gage housing a one off, or can more be gotten (please, please, please)? I don't need the gages, but the housing would work great for my future plans.


Sofa King MSG #723, 08-30-2010 08:47 AM
      Hi MM,

From what I know & understand, this is a one off. I am considering splashing molds of just the housing - I just have to think it through and find the best/easiest way to do it. I've made a little headway on the wiring, but no pics or anything like that. It's tough to take pics of email conversations.


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #724, 08-30-2010 09:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:


...ok, just so I am straight on this, is the gage housing a one off, or can more be gotten (please, please, please)? I don't need the gages, but the housing would work great for my future plans.


This is a one off, no molds were made as it was a hand made prototype by a former member here. It was made with the idea to offer it up for sale but, those plans fell thru a few years ago. I was lucky enough to talk the former member into selling it to me. I made some modifications to it to make it more like the actual 90's cluster. I just lost interest in it as it really didn't fit the plans I had. So again, it's a one off, and the only one like it. -Jason


Sofa King MSG #725, 08-30-2010 10:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierofreak00:


This is a one off, no molds were made as it was a hand made prototype by a former member here. It was made with the idea to offer it up for sale but, those plans fell thru a few years ago. I was lucky enough to talk the former member into selling it to me. I made some modifications to it to make it more like the actual 90's cluster. I just lost interest in it as it really didn't fit the plans I had. So again, it's a one off, and the only one like it. -Jason


J,

Thanks for the info!


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #726, 09-01-2010 09:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


J,

Thanks for the info!


What ever you need G! Now get to work and make me proud! -Jason


Sofa King MSG #727, 09-03-2010 09:00 AM
      I will make you proud! I've been in touch with a few guys who are looking into different wiring options - let's keep our fingers crossed.

GOOD NEWS! It's supposed to be really nice / near perfect temps this weekend! I am FINALLY getting back out to the garage and doing some design and glass work again!


Sofa King MSG #728, 09-07-2010 08:46 AM
      UPDATES!

WOW! What a fantastic weekend! Perfect weather for working outside. I got started on the new console and was hoping to get most of it finished when a main pipe glogged up and flooded the guest bathroom. Anybody who has had a toilet overflow "kinda" knows what I'm talking about. A main pipe is FAR WORSE! But all is fixed now. The flood did bite into some precious glassing time but I was able to get a good start.

Marking out the new slides to the console


With glass laid, I then took the foam core cut outs and laid them across the drying the fiberglass. I then sprayed paint over the templates to get the outline needed to then cut the glass


All done


This was the original console I used. No sense in letting it go to waste. First thing... fix the hole






With the side pieces now dried, I peeled them from the piece of glass and placed them against the console for fitting


I will include the stock vents on this version. I have to get air to the ECM


With a top




Working on the inside - I need to fill all the unwanted holes. I'm going to create a more functional storage area in this console.


That's all I was able to do. I was really bummed when the main pipe glogged up... I was really hoping to get more done. But with the weather changing... all is good!

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katatak MSG #729, 09-07-2010 11:55 PM
      YES - more glass work from the Sofa King! It is cooling off here too Greg! As soon as I can work in the shop out back without feeling like a Turkey in a fryer, I will be back into the glass as well. Going to start work on the custom XTC interior you rendered for me way back when! We are also planning on a huge body revamp on the XTC - it will take a lot of glass work and will take me to the brink of madness but it's a project we really want to do. I'll have some help on this one. One of my El Paso Fiero nuts has done a lot of body/glass work over the years. I hope to learn a lot. Plans are to start the body are sometime in December!

Your new console is looking great - nice and clean! Keep it coming.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #730, 09-08-2010 08:30 AM
      Hey Hey!

It felt really good to be back out there! I missed the smell of the resin and the feel of fiberglass dust all over my arms and up my nose. The oven analogy works perfect but when you add 100% humidity... imagine standing in a sauna with all your clothes on... ugh...

I have some very definative ideas running through my head for this next design. I made the mistake of NOT using the stock console piece - I thought it was a good idea then... The design will be the same but I'm adding the side vents and maybe another little storage area within the armrest / cup holder. Then I move forward to the new radio design. That's going to be an interesting build... And of course... the door panels - I can't forget those guys!

You have really peaked my interest. I'm really looking forward to seeing your projects! Which XTC interior design did you decide on? Also, what type of body mods do you have planned?


Sofa King MSG #731, 09-08-2010 02:45 PM
      UPDATE:

Remember this?


We are moving forward with a new wiring harness... muhuhuhahahaha


Sofa King MSG #732, 09-13-2010 08:51 AM
      UPDATES...

I am a little embarrassed to post these pics but it is an update. I worked a little more on the console and did create the beginnings of the center armrest pad that will fit over the cup holder. But I made a HUGE BOO BOO! I wrapped the armrest with seran wrap not thinking about how the heat from the resin might effect the wrap itself and well... ummmm... it melted... UGH... I wasn't able to get a lot done - had out of town guests.

Wrapping the armrest


Laying the glass


Adding resin


Second layer of glass


All dried, cut and fits perfectly



The plan is to build another layer of glass and then wrap this in the black vinyl material to match the door panels and sun visors - Thanks to Katatak for the great idea!


And now the disaster... I have to sand and repaint the entire cup holder


The console receiving a few little updates



That's it for now. I hope to have the new console at least fabricated by this weekend. I also have to get started on the radio console as well. I'm debating whether to use the existing piece I have. That would save time and I think I can manipulate the part into the shape I want. Note to Self: NO MORE SERAN WRAP!!!!

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katatak MSG #733, 09-13-2010 08:01 PM
      One step forward and 2 back Greg! You are getting pretty good at that sanding and painting thing. Your little boo boo should not take long to fix.

As for the XTC, we are basically going to "shorten" the rear end and the front end. Then make the entire frontend one piece - like a "flipper" with some molded in "flush" mount headlights and some electric actuators much like Madcurl's setup. The back end will get anagled off and then rounded at the bottom with maybe some difusers and a custom center exit exhaust. The last part will be to remove the "flare" around the bottom of the car and round the bottom under the car. It will be a big project but I am looking forward to it.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #734, 09-14-2010 04:56 PM
      I really have no idea what I was thinking when I used the seran wrap... DUMB!

The XTC project sounds like a huge undertaking! You will of course post pics? When will the actual body work begin?


katatak MSG #735, 09-16-2010 12:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

I really have no idea what I was thinking when I used the seran wrap... DUMB!

The XTC project sounds like a huge undertaking! You will of course post pics? When will the actual body work begin?


Now you know not to use it! XTC is looking like late December!


Sofa King MSG #736, 09-16-2010 08:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Now you know not to use it! XTC is looking like late December!


When I grabbed the wrap... my initial thought was I needed something that would conform and hug the shape of the cupholder so when I laid the glass I got a precise fit. Wax paper wouldn't do it and I certainly didn't want to use packing tape and wind up removing any paint. So... there was a little bit of sanity to my mistake?????? Not much... but a little bit? Right? Maybe?

December, huh? Well... I guess we can wait. OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Completely slipped my mind. I was chatting with a buddy of mine who has a 355 replica and has approached me to help with the all the fiberglass / body work. He's knows metal fabrication so he and I will be working together teaching and learning and building a 355 replica. We're still discussing it... but if we get started I'll post pics.

Pretty cool, huh?


Sofa King MSG #737, 09-20-2010 08:08 AM
      So I'm driving my car this morning when I looked in the rear view mirror and saw this splatter mark right behind my head...



My first thought... DANG IT! I just washed the car. So I got to work, grabbed a shop towel out of the trunk and began to clean the huge poop off the car when I then saw this...



Wait a minute I said... ummmm... where did the poop go? I looked back in the car... I see it... but where is it on the outside... Then it hit me... That huge explosion of bird turd was INSIDE the car! I stood there with my mouth open... HOLY BIRD CRAP! That thing almost hit me! The first thing that ran through my mind was Oliver Stone's conspriacy movie called JFK. "...back and to the left... back and to the left... back and to the left..."


Sofa King MSG #738, 09-21-2010 11:52 AM
      Hey Guys...

The temp shot back up to high 90's / low 100's. Summer is trying to hang on a little more... I figure a few more weeks and then fall will be here which means getting back to the fun stuff. I really want to get the door panels finished, upholstered and installed! Actually... I want to get everything finished!

I have a plan to create a vacuformer. I hoping I'll be able to create multiple dash pods for other members.

OK... back to the pile!


355Fiero MSG #739, 09-21-2010 03:19 PM
      SofaKing;

Have you thought about using the expanding foam at all for some of the areas of your build? I use the Urethane 2 part expanding foam as a base and cut the shape to close with an x-acto knife and other knives and then sand it down to a close fit and then lay the glass over that. The resin doesn't eat away at the foam and you can get some more complex shapes more easily than using the flat fiberglass panels you have been using so far. Doing a great job with the flat panels, don't get me wrong as I have enjoyed watching the build thread but if you are going into the more complex dash assembly you have pictured above, some expanding foam may be a good option for you.

Depending on what I needed to do, I would build a box more or less the size I wanted and pour the foam in and let it expand and harden and then pull the box sides and bottom off and start cutting and shaping. You can also fill in holes and indents such as the indents your did on the door panels with resin and it will do the same job but end up lighter in the end and just as strong with the glass mat layers over it.

You should be able to get the foam in the same place you are getting your resin and mat from.

Just a thought.

Please carry on as you are doing some interesting make overs on the interior.

Cheers
Don



Sofa King MSG #740, 09-22-2010 08:45 AM
      Hey Don,

Thanks for the great advice! I've been tinkering with the idea of using foam as the starting point for the new radio console. I've been wondering HOW I'm going to tackle the complex curves of the console without building up too much resin, glass, bondo, etc. I was considering using the flat panel insulation foam - you're talking about going in a completely different direction - the expanding foam!

Is this the same foam you can buy from any home improvement store? You have my interest peaked. Do you have any build pics or a link to any projects you've done?

Thanks again for the great advice!


Sofa King MSG #741, 09-23-2010 08:20 AM
      UPDATE: Kinda... it is for me!

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