The build of "Tyler's Toy"
Topic started by: Cliff Pennock, Date: 11-21-2009 02:36 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000106.html


Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #1, 11-21-2009 02:36 AM
      As you may or may not know, this is the weekend of the "Tyler's Toy" build. You can follow the build through a live feed here. I would ask to post progress pictures in this thread, but I understand the color of the car is kind of a secret until the reveal, so I guess until then we will need to do without pictures (or black and white pictures).


maryjane MSG #2, 11-21-2009 12:13 PM
      Great idea.

maryjane MSG #3, 11-21-2009 12:50 PM
      A few shots from today's feed for those who couldn't watch:
Till after the reveal--and some real pics can be posted.
I think this is Karen (t-shirts) saying hi to everyone in the live chat. (correct me if I am wrong plz) There were over 60 ppl logged in about that time.



Not sure who this is




The troops have to eat sometime.


Tyler Shipman right after he spoke with Hulki in Iraq.

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maryjane MSG #4, 11-21-2009 03:31 PM
      For the build team--here's what's supporting ya. approx 2pm central time--and I think I chopped a few names off by accident..



For TFG! This will teach ya to talk trash to a young one!

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twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #5, 11-21-2009 04:19 PM
      LOL, Thanks Mary Jane.

Brad


USFiero MSG #6, 11-21-2009 05:29 PM
      could we see some color pics here please?


zigaroo MSG #7, 11-21-2009 05:35 PM
      The color of the car is actually a secret at the moment.

RWDPLZ MSG #8, 11-21-2009 06:30 PM
      Color pic:



California Kid MSG #9, 11-21-2009 06:34 PM
      Watching the event unfold today really blew me away, which lead me to create this:



Sofa King MSG #10, 11-21-2009 07:36 PM
      All,

Where can I donate? This is such a heart warming human act of kindness you all are doing and I really want to help.


maryjane MSG #11, 11-21-2009 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

All,

Where can I donate? This is such a heart warming human act of kindness you all are doing and I really want to help.


At this stage of the game, as the build is nearly done AFAIK, and the 3.4 swap is said to be fully taken care of, I suggest donating at
http://www.tylerstoy.com/
There's a donate link there on the lower left for paypal to danate directly to the Shipman's--Tyler, family etc.



USFiero MSG #12, 11-22-2009 01:10 AM
      Oh yeah, don't spoil any suprizes, but there was a whole bunch of donated stuff to the left of the web cam, and I'm sure there are things that could be shown - like Pontiac Kid installing the starter...

maryjane MSG #13, 11-22-2009 07:35 AM
      Sorry--i had to--the debil made me do it.

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maryjane MSG #14, 11-22-2009 11:18 AM
      Early Sat Morning:


around noon


Sun Morn


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #15, 11-22-2009 11:28 AM
     



Pics from Tylerstoy chat. Thank you very much sk8ergirl for taking these.

Brad

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infinitewill MSG #16, 11-22-2009 11:30 AM
      Dan, did you by any chance see and even better capture the walk around they did this morning? I missed it.

\/\/


Terry_w (terry_wolfgang@hotmail.com) MSG #17, 11-22-2009 11:34 AM
      Here's a screenshot of the last frame of the walkaround.


Vernon8360 MSG #18, 11-22-2009 11:36 AM
      Wonderful show, wonderful pictures, amazing event all around. Everyone should be proud.



Vernon8360 MSG #19, 11-22-2009 11:38 AM
      The last photo posted, not of the video of the finished car.....all of the Fieros parked outside; where did they come from? Local owners or from the Out of Town Dream Team?



twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #20, 11-22-2009 11:42 AM
      I believe they are the dream team

Brad


maryjane MSG #21, 11-22-2009 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Vernon8360:

The last photo posted, not of the video of the finished car.....all of the Fieros parked outside; where did they come from? Local owners or from the Out of Town Dream Team?



Build Team I think, and maybe JSocha, who logged on late last night and was gonna dust off his GT to make down to Frazee this morning




Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #22, 11-22-2009 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Vernon8360:

The last photo posted, not of the video of the finished car.....all of the Fieros parked outside; where did they come from? Local owners or from the Out of Town Dream Team?



Pics from GIGGY (Dane Gigstead) a family member or friend of Tyler?















Vernon8360 MSG #23, 11-22-2009 11:46 AM
      Very nice. Who drove the greatest distance? And how many are "missing" parts now? LOL



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #24, 11-22-2009 11:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Vernon8360:

The last photo posted, not of the video of the finished car.....all of the Fieros parked outside; where did they come from? Local owners or from the Out of Town Dream Team?





From the left:
Black 85 GT is KEV's (Kevin - Currnet Pres of MFF)
Red/Primer SE is Synthesis (Chris - you all know him)
Blue GT is Pete Grosz's (former Pres & founder of MFF)
Not sure on the 2 silver notchies
Red GT I believe is Carbon's (Nick Laffen of Jordan, MN)
White Formula is GT Geff (Jeff Wendt - former Pres of MFF & Owner of the Stinger)

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Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #25, 11-22-2009 11:48 AM
      Heres pics from the other thread I posted

Random Girl


PK Beer


PK Solonoid Dmg...


PK Wave


PK Peace dude


Random Pic


Someone waving


Found the missing switch, and PK calling someone a tard for sitting on it


Another PK Pic



Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #26, 11-22-2009 11:53 AM
      Two Classic Pics....

PK86 Gets Kicked for breaking the starter solonoid



Someone Duct taped PK86's mouth Screen shot




twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #27, 11-22-2009 12:41 PM
      http://www.startribune.com/...6062.html?page=1&c=y

Newspaper story, very well written.

Brad


Gokart Mozart MSG #28, 11-22-2009 12:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by California Kid:

Watching the event unfold today really blew me away, which lead me to create this:



That would be great on a plaque.


infinitewill MSG #29, 11-22-2009 01:06 PM
      Did anyone post a picture of plaque that was presented? I never saved the link

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twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #30, 11-22-2009 01:22 PM
     



Thanks Gilder.

Brad


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #31, 11-22-2009 01:32 PM
      nice !

RACE (k.kyer@mchsi.com) MSG #32, 11-22-2009 01:49 PM
      I wish I could have been there to help out but I have been traveling for work pretty much since the 14th.

What you all have come to gether to accomplish is remarkable. It is something that you all can be proud of for the rest of your lives. My hat is off to all of you. You are a group who says that you care and then backs it up with action. I am especially proud to be a Fiero owner today.

Please post more photos. Somebody please post a video of the reveal if Tyler hasn't seen it yet.



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #33, 11-22-2009 02:12 PM
      The car looks amazing!!!!!

That new color sure makes his wheels look great. You guys are all my heros, thanks for making Tyler's dream a reality.

-Chris



Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #34, 11-22-2009 02:47 PM
      Great job you guys on the car. I wish I could have been there but I have two boys here that I have to take care of. You guys rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



California Kid MSG #35, 11-22-2009 02:50 PM
      Great Job to everyone evolved in this project, you have a lot to be proud of!!!!

Tyler, Best Wishes extended and Happy Cruising!!!

Tom



infinitewill MSG #36, 11-22-2009 03:07 PM
      For those interested. I posted pictures of the plaque that was presented to Tyler yesterday during the build. I started a thread where members can post their thanks to Sam Shepard. I am going to forward a link to Sam who did the actual fabrication for me.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078512.html

\/\/


FastFieros (fastfieros@fastfieros.com) MSG #37, 11-22-2009 03:46 PM
      Excellent build project. I was happy to be part of the support to "The Tyler Project" .

http://www.fastfieros.com


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #38, 11-22-2009 04:38 PM
      The folowing are thanks to lynxermom, and can be viewed at
http://milus.smugmug.com/Ho...pEBB#720756794_AfW76

















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twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #39, 11-22-2009 04:40 PM
     





























twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #40, 11-22-2009 04:44 PM
     







































twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #41, 11-22-2009 04:47 PM
     









She said more are being uploaded, I will keep checking so people don't have to click all over the place.

Brad


Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #42, 11-22-2009 05:00 PM
      I got these through email.

 
quote
Please find attached a few pictures I took this morning as Tyler got to drive his Car. What a Wonderful thing you have done!!!! Thank You!

Ted Anderson
Frazee, MN









86soon3.4 MSG #43, 11-22-2009 05:07 PM
      NICE JOB GUYS!!!

Steve


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #44, 11-22-2009 05:08 PM
     































twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #45, 11-22-2009 05:16 PM
     

















kyunderdawg MSG #46, 11-22-2009 05:39 PM
      OUTSTANDING!!!! I just don't have the words to say.

HERO'S, EACH AND EVERYONE

Much respect goes out to you all.

Paul

P.S. MORE PICS


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #47, 11-22-2009 05:44 PM
     
































twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #48, 11-22-2009 05:45 PM
     

















whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #49, 11-22-2009 05:56 PM
      I love it!
this is why I love the people that own and work on Fieros. when one needs it we all come together to help.
my hat is off to all involved, the car came together great for a great cause.
Overhaulin done Fiero style
D.


twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #50, 11-22-2009 06:07 PM
      Give me a few minutes and I will put a video up here .

Brad


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #51, 11-22-2009 06:08 PM
      ::sniff::

You guys are just pure awesome!!

God Bless you all!!

And a special thanks to Tyler and his family. You may not realize it, but you gave us all a very special gift.

-Chris


2.5 MSG #52, 11-22-2009 06:22 PM
      This pic was taken at approx 9:40 am today



2.5 MSG #53, 11-22-2009 06:28 PM
      If i remember right in my sleep deprived head, this would have been about 6 or 7 am today



Make that yes...7 am

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2.5 MSG #54, 11-22-2009 06:48 PM
      After the reveal and having driven it, Tyler !
Priceless!!!



twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #55, 11-22-2009 06:59 PM
      http://www.caringbridge.org.../tylershipman/photos

There are more pictures from today under page 3










Brad

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #56, 11-22-2009 07:46 PM
     
First a big thank you to all those who participated. This is still the greatest, most compassionate country in the world despite all our flaws.

Secondly a Huge congratulations to Tyler ! Wow what an awesome ride. i would probably just sit and stare at it for hours on end. Enjoy that sucker till the wheels fall off !

Finally i recongnize a few faces like Kev, and pontiac kid, but i would love to sse some pennocks names put to the faces in the pictures.

Again overall great job,...and Tyler you sir have just been overhauled,...Pennocks style !


Sofa King MSG #57, 11-22-2009 07:55 PM
      Overhauling has nothing on you guys! A huge enthusiastic round of applause.

Enjoy your ride. Our hearts and lead "feet" go out to you Tyler!

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MOBILE (mobile@warpdriveonline.com) MSG #58, 11-22-2009 08:04 PM
      Did Tyler pick out the color? If so, he has great taste



twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #59, 11-22-2009 08:11 PM
     

Not mine, i believe it is 87antuzzi's (None are mine, I wasn't there.)

Brad


yellowstone MSG #60, 11-22-2009 08:14 PM
      I'm impressed and proud of all participants! And excellent choice of color!

R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #61, 11-22-2009 08:17 PM
      I want to thank all on who helped make this possible. This act goes beyond words and quite frankly, in my opinion, make this MORE than just a car "club" or Forum. We are past that now. How did Lance Armstrong put it.... "It's not about the bike".... well in our case, "it's not about the car".

My hope is that Tyler gets to enjoy his car as long as possible.

Too many people to thank... but they all deserve it.

I am very PROUD to consider myself apart of this Fiero Comunnity.



maryjane MSG #62, 11-22-2009 09:48 PM
      Yesterday and last night was like watching a once in a lifetime superbowl. I still can't get over it. That build could NOT have been easy.
This was around midnight--a little after maybe. You can see the fatigue and stress beginning to show a little. Weight of the world maybe? \/ \/



For a lot of us, this build portion only started when they got the streaming video and chat running Friday, but ya gotta keep in mind, the guys closely involved, (including Hulki in Iraq) have been spending a LOT of long hrs in the 2 weeks leading up to this weekend, so they were already pretty tired when they arrived in Frazee. I've physically been in these type situations myself, working weeks on end with no days off-18 hr days, so I knew how it would go. (I once did 62 days straight 18 hrs/day + with no days off--I don't even want to describe my Vietnam days here) You can get thru the 1st 18 hrs or so on adrenalin, and coffee, but it starts taking a toll after that. What we all have to remember, is that we at PFF, took this on as a group, but the guys there on site, are the ones that had the pressure on them, and there was really a bit of risk here. Half the world it seemed was watching and listening and Chris and that team had their job cut out, even if everything went perfectly--and it didn't go perfectly of course. Obviously, there was the clock and rollout deadline they were fighting. It was cold. Walking around on concrete wears you out. A late Fri night took away a little chance they had for rest between travel and the start of the build Sat morning. Unfamilar surroundings, parts stores 40 miles away in the middle of the night, without most of thier own personal tools all added up to a really big challenge--physically, mentally, and of course emotionally. (There's another aspect as well, I want to throw at PFF in another thread or post, but it's one not to be ignored.)

PFF's small representative group on site made me extremely proud, but so did all you guys and girls that hung in there all day & nite cheering them on. I saw usernames I knew from everyday, but also some I haven't seen in a very long time. It was really great to see and be a part of. I really want to thank Daneyl, Fiero Rumor, and Cliff Pennock and any other IT types that dropped in and contributed--for their efforts in keeping things going during the wee hours of Sun morning, when the chat/video started having problems we should have never ever seen happen under these circumstances.

I could not hear the audio at all (just indestinguishable sounds), nor really view any video (dialup-with no hope of getting hi-speed anytime soon), but I could keep pretty much abreast of things just from the comments in chat. For you guys that kept me clued in--THANKS!!

And DIY_Stu--can't thank you enough!!--you know what for.

Hulki--well--what can any of us say about you? You--over there-in Iraq--WOW!


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #63, 11-22-2009 11:50 PM
      Did anyone notice all of the signatures?



Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #64, 11-22-2009 11:59 PM
      This is just so cool.

I agree with RRunner. This has to be the most compassionate car community on the web, and if it had been any other car, I don't think this might have been possible.
Everyone involved in this really needs to give themselves a hand. It's much deserved.

I'm still amazed. This is incredible.


maryjane MSG #65, 11-23-2009 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Did anyone notice all of the signatures?

Not yet, still looking at them as they come in. Just haven't seen them all but we heard about the sigs--a very nice touch.
(did PK spell his name right?)

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Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #66, 11-23-2009 12:39 AM
      Bedtime photo bump...

Enjoy the signatures...



JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis@outlook.com) MSG #67, 11-23-2009 12:54 AM
      wow, what an amazing story! I just learned about this an hour ago from mike gonzalez, man I wish I would've been checking up on PFF more! You guys did something amazing this weekend, and I wish I could've been there, but it looks like you did alright without me. Great job everyone, I used to think this forum was all about cars, now I know it's more than that!

RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #68, 11-23-2009 01:15 AM
      What a great act of love and kindness to all that gave of their time, money and talent to pull this all together!

KUDOS TO ALL.

Even though I do not know Tyler my prayer is that God would work a miracle in his life!



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #69, 11-23-2009 01:35 AM
      RUNDLC, I am glad you saw this. Its a great story.

So now I must ask, who's idea was it to paint the spoiler black, was that Tylers idea? Who ever thought it up I think it looks great!! What a great looking car.


JSocha MSG #70, 11-23-2009 04:37 AM
      Don't know if this has been posted:

WDAY6 - Fargo, ND:

WDAY 6 NEWS

Pontiac Fiero Lovers Help Frazee Teen With Terminal Cancer

I was unable to get the video feed to work, from tonight's (11-22-09) NEWS Broadcast on WDAY6.

Nothing on KVLY TV11's news KVLY TV11 was posted, as there was for Saturday, which has already been posted.



infinitewill MSG #71, 11-23-2009 07:44 AM
      Plaque bump

For those interested. I posted pictures of the plaque that was presented to Tyler yesterday during the build. I started a thread where members can post their thanks to Sam Shepard. I am going to forward a link to Sam who did the actual fabrication for me.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078512.html

\/\/



USFiero MSG #72, 11-23-2009 07:51 AM
      After seeing the pics, live stream and reading Tyler's story, I was wondering if he would have the strength to drive it (no power steering and all) I'm sure the adrenaline (We Drive Excitement after all) was the kicker. As said over and over, an Awesome gift. I'm sorry all I could do was kick in a few pennies.

twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #73, 11-23-2009 08:51 AM
      Another found on Facebook



I put four short video's together from the unveiling, and posted them to youtube.

Thanks again Mr. G

Brad


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #74, 11-23-2009 09:56 AM
      News Story:


carbon MSG #75, 11-23-2009 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:




From the left:
Black 85 GT is KEV's (Kevin - Currnet Pres of MFF)
Red/Primer SE is Synthesis (Chris - you all know him)
Blue GT is Pete Grosz's (former Pres & founder of MFF)
Not sure on the 2 silver notchies
Red GT I believe is Carbon's (Nick Laffen of Jordan, MN)
White Formula is GT Geff (Jeff Wendt - former Pres of MFF & Owner of the Stinger)



The two silver notchies belong to Gravatic Anomaly and 2.5


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #76, 11-23-2009 10:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:


The two silver notchies belong to Gravatic Anomaly and 2.5


No. The 88 Coupe style body belongs to an older gentleman who lives up that way. He makes his runs down to the MFF club meetings once in a while.


carbon MSG #77, 11-23-2009 10:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by maryjane:

For a lot of us, this build portion only started when they got the streaming video and chat running Friday, but ya gotta keep in mind, the guys closely involved, (including Hulki in Iraq) have been spending a LOT of long hrs in the 2 weeks leading up to this weekend, so they were already pretty tired when they arrived in Frazee. I've physically been in these type situations myself, working weeks on end with no days off-18 hr days, so I knew how it would go. (I once did 62 days straight 18 hrs/day + with no days off--I don't even want to describe my Vietnam days here) You can get thru the 1st 18 hrs or so on adrenalin, and coffee, but it starts taking a toll after that. What we all have to remember, is that we at PFF, took this on as a group, but the guys there on site, are the ones that had the pressure on them, and there was really a bit of risk here. Half the world it seemed was watching and listening and Chris and that team had their job cut out, even if everything went perfectly--and it didn't go perfectly of course. Obviously, there was the clock and rollout deadline they were fighting. It was cold. Walking around on concrete wears you out. A late Fri night took away a little chance they had for rest between travel and the start of the build Sat morning. Unfamilar surroundings, parts stores 40 miles away in the middle of the night, without most of thier own personal tools all added up to a really big challenge--physically, mentally, and of course emotionally. (There's another aspect as well, I want to throw at PFF in another thread or post, but it's one not to be ignored.)


I have to admit that there was point at about 4AM when we couldn't get the engine started and it was showing no signs of life, at all. After trying to get the engine going for over 3 hours after it was thought to be all back together... that every one kind of got quiet and sat down and just stared at the car... that was not a good feeling. But then someone said "try it again" and still just nothing but the starter spinning the engine. Then someone mentioned "is the tach even moving?" Huh... "no..." KEV and Antuzzi scoot over to the car and lo and behold one of the connectors for the ignition control module was hanging down, not plugged in. "Hit it again!!!" VROOOOM!!!!! Sputter, cough cough. "!@$%&!!!" "Hey the other one's loose, there... again!" And the thing ran like a top. I cannot describe to you the tension release at that moment. And also the realization that a lot of time was used to find that simple problem, becuase we were getting fried, and then the race was back on to get the car on the ground and buttoned up.

I still cannot thank you guys enough for having the chance to be a part of something like this. I know I got a little pissy while I was trying to recalibrate all the gauges and couldn't find what I needed and was freaking out that the gauges were not going to work right, I am sorry about that, but also thanks to those who interrupted what they were doing to help me out. And then the temp gauge need fell off during the reveal.... sigh. Fixed that afterwards. Nothing like being tired and having to do rework, a lot of what drove us the night before had worn off without sleep, but the car is back together and fully functional after the gauge SNAFU, the loose coolant hose clamp letting the car bleed out and the headlight motors giving Fred one last fight... Not bad for a 24 hour marathon build, we still win

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Island Cat (cindy.vet@hotmail.com) MSG #78, 11-23-2009 10:35 AM
      Hats off to everyone who made Tyler's wish come true! I couldn't be more proud of each and every one of you who put forth your time, money, equipment, support and love. Seeing Tyler's face on those pictures makes everything worth it. Until the bitterness comes, I will focus on the sweet. Thank you everyone!

Fieronum6 MSG #79, 11-23-2009 12:40 PM
      This right here is the only thing that will ever make me miss MN. You guys are the best. Wish I could have been there. ~nish

2.5 MSG #80, 11-23-2009 01:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by twofatguys:



Not mine, i believe it is 87antuzzi's (None are mine, I wasn't there.)

Brad


NICE VID!

Yeah Brad but you are helping by doing what you are doing now, +++
We know we all wanted to be there!


2.5 MSG #81, 11-23-2009 01:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JSocha:

Don't know if this has been posted:

WDAY6 - Fargo, ND:

WDAY 6 NEWS

Pontiac Fiero Lovers Help Frazee Teen With Terminal Cancer

I was unable to get the video feed to work, from tonight's (11-22-09) NEWS Broadcast on WDAY6.

Nothing on KVLY TV11's news KVLY TV11 was posted, as there was for Saturday, which has already been posted.



THANK YOU!


2.5 MSG #82, 11-23-2009 01:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:


The two silver notchies...


Yep the 86 Silver with bumperpads is mine.


2.5 MSG #83, 11-23-2009 01:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:

... Not bad for a 24 hour marathon build, we still win



You know it. Thank you again carbon.


Tony Kania MSG #84, 11-23-2009 01:39 PM
      Awesome videos!

Words cannot describe the feelings that I have right now. I am so very happy to be a part of this community. To all of those that have rallied around this young man, a big heart felt thank you goes out. All of the names involved in this build, money, time, thoughts, and prayers, you all have a special place in my heart. Thank you all for being human.

Now, maybe we can conquer world peace?

Tony Kania


CC Rider (ccriderf1@gmail.com) MSG #85, 11-23-2009 01:40 PM
      Cliff - Can we get Tylers car at the top of the main page?

carbon MSG #86, 11-23-2009 02:16 PM
      Fieros in MN for sale

Back in April, with no explanation and no responses... this makes me want to cry.

easy performace for my gt

And I remember reading this thread in August.

I posted this in the General thread as well, but here is probably better. Thank you for keeping the white one Tyler, oh and Fred did port the exhaust manifolds for ya and we tuned it up as best we could...

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JSocha MSG #87, 11-23-2009 03:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JSocha:

Don't know if this has been posted:

WDAY6 - Fargo, ND:

WDAY 6 NEWS

Pontiac Fiero Lovers Help Frazee Teen With Terminal Cancer

I was unable to get the video feed to work, from tonight's (11-22-09) NEWS Broadcast on WDAY6.

Nothing on KVLY TV11's news KVLY TV11 was posted, as there was for Saturday, which has already been posted.



UPDATE!:

First link above at WDAY now works today.

Here is lastnight's news broadcast 11-22-09: WDAY6 News - Broadcast Coverage of Unveiling


Gilder (gildersleeve@arvig.net) MSG #88, 11-23-2009 07:36 PM
      The pictures and videos are awesome, you guys did good. The picture of Tyler's smile on his face sitting in his new hot rod says it all.

Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #89, 11-23-2009 07:58 PM
      I'm not sure how I missed all of this. Just watched the vids and read the stories. Amazing. With all the other negative stuff that goes on here sometimes, to see so many pull together to accomplish something like this.....words escape me. I don't think there is anywhere on the Internet a better forum of any kind. For all those who participated, you really did us all proud. You guys are the best, I just regret that I wasn't up to speed on this so I could have done something.

You guys are the best. I know it doesn't mean much, but you all have my deepest respect.


PURPLE REIGN (mp112fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #90, 11-23-2009 09:41 PM
      ( this is also posted in the main thread if you don't want to read it twice )

WOW..........unbelievable what happens when you don't pay attention to the Forum for a couple weeks !!!! Wouldn't have missed this for anything !!!

Read on for an inside view of the weekend....

Though i heard about this really late, & unaware of the magnitude of the help needed to do this. GTJeff stopped by my shop for some parts & told me what was going on. Chris ( Synthesis ) happened to call at the exact same time. I rearranged my entire weekend to do this, with a slightly ticked off family at first. I told Chris & Jeff i'd offer anything right up to driving my 19' flatbed up there with my toolbox on it & even a spare car. They seemed to think most everything was covered so all i needed to bring was myself. Planning the trip to ride with Jeff on Friday fell through when another "helping hand" project rolled in the shop Friday night. Adjusted the plan to head up later, but again missed the meet & greet & tried for midnight. That didn't work either. Got home at 2:00 a.m. With only $25 & 21* temps i bundled up in the early a.m. on a GSX-R 1000 & headed for Frazee. 2.5 hours later i arrive.....frozen, at 10:00 a.m. and missed my mark by 2 hours. By 11:00 feeling is coming back & were chest deep in the project. Looks like they wanted to freshen up the top end, give it a tune up to run well. With the exception of INCREDIBLY worn parts, side slop in the dist. missing grounds on spark plugs, etc, i find the infamous cracked in half exhaust manifold. This car would have sounded horrible !!! Knowing the history of the broken bolt in the head of the Fiero, it didn't look good. With literal blood, sweat, tears, & a torch, the manifold was out without one broken bolt !!! Welded the manifold back up & got it back in, finished the top end & tune-up. We have ignition !!! Except BOTH manifold gasket leaked BAD, and it ran rather poor & rich enough to burn your eyes in 15 seconds. What a bummer. Where are we going to find manifold gaskets at this hour. The crew worked their magic & found some in Fargo, so the decision is a go to remove both of them....again. Repaired one comes out no problem. Y pipe bolts needed heat & were so rotted, needed replacement. Off to the hardware store someone went. Rear manifold came out with a fight too, except for one bolt......1/4 of the way out, snapped flush with the head. Great, this will be fun.While Fred quickly ported them for a few extra ponies, believe it or not with the VERY limited tools we had, someone had a right angle drill. So more than 2 to 3 hour was wasted drilling the bolt & snapped 1 easy out in the hole before i could tap new threads. With a tap & vice grips mind you Reassembly begins again much later than expected. Gaskets show up & were on the way. Few more hours & were trying again, except the starter is bad Bendix won't engage on the flywheel. Napa Johnny to the rescue again with another starter. Except once again PK breaks the solenoid ( among many other things !!!!! Ha Ha Rick ) New starter makes it's way in & the car runs again.....except poorly Need to deal with the rough run/rich issue.Fuel pressure test shows 30PSI on initialize & immediately drops to 0. Leaking injector is trying to hydrolock the motor. Tear down the top half again.....pull up fuel rail/injectors/coldstart injector as an assembly, key it up, & found cylinder 2 injector wide open. Replaced it with one in the pile & retest. Looks good. By about 4:30/5:00 a.m. were done ....again. Trying for another fire up, the doesn't run at all Everyone's exhausted, i actually nodded off a couple times laying on the motor & head against the back glass. Few more tests finds no pressure....looks like we need a pump. Until a new set of eyes looks around & found the broken clip on the connector to the ICM it wasn't plugged all the way in. Little push of the connector & it fired right up, ran beautifully, & quiet !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to sit for a bit. Keep in mind all of this was done with limited tools that were all someone elses, almost NO air tools, UGH !!!!! Finishing touches & some little rework is done, & the only issue it has is the rebuilt headlight motors....not to shabby for a 24hr resto. Time is running out, get the car to the unveil location, head to Jeff's hotel room & grab a shower & 45 min of sleep ( not very good either ) 9:30 and were underway with the awesome unveil & everything goes well. Outside of a minor coolant leak easily fixed & the new ICM failed on Tyler's test drive :bandhead: ( saved by 87antuzzi ) they're back. Short break for breakfast & back to the body shop to clean up, finishing touches of the car & say goodbyes. Sun afternoon, top off gas & head out, most of the ride back extremely hard to stay awake after 31 hours & no sleep, until 45 min away from home it starts raining. Now i'm REALLY cold & fighting a fogging helmet visor. Made it home, took the family for food & home again by 6:20p.m. lost consciousness & didn't wake till 11:30 the next day for a little food & then 4 more hours of sleep, and here i am posting. My goal was to make Tyler's car run....run well.....and quiet. And that happened. The entire crew of about 64 people worked so well together ( even with PK breaking stuff j/k ) and flowed like an orchestra. Simply awesome.

Everything possible can & does ache in places i never thought possible. But it was SOOOOOOOOO worth it & would do it again !!!!!

Take care of yourself & the car Tyler !!!! and a HUGE thanks to the Family, Dave & Karen at the body shop, our Dream Team Crew, all of the volunteers, sponsors, donations, donator's, those that outreach across the globe, Vendors, and everyone not mentioned that should be. It was a heck of an accomplishment seen & heard by many.

P.S. We will definatly make an event out of coming up there each year !!!!! As long as PK doesn't break anything else

Purple Reign



California Kid MSG #91, 11-23-2009 09:53 PM
      Someone contact Hollywood, this would make a great Movie!!!

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #92, 11-23-2009 09:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by California Kid:

Someone contact Hollywood, this would make a great Movie!!!


The part of Synthesis could be played by Philip Seymour Hoffman!


California Kid MSG #93, 11-23-2009 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


The part of Synthesis could be played by Philip Seymour Hoffman!


You sure about that???



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #94, 11-23-2009 10:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by California Kid:


You sure about that???



Yup, looks pretty close to me.


Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #95, 11-23-2009 10:23 PM
      I've been telling Lori about this endeavor, and she just made the observation that this was such a major event, you guys who actually went and participated will never forget it. This was a weekend you'll remember and talk about for the rest of your lives.



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #96, 11-23-2009 10:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Taijiguy:

I've been telling Lori about this endeavor, and she just made the observation that this was such a major event, you guys who actually went and participated will never forget it. This was a weekend you'll remember and talk about for the rest of your lives.


You and Lori are completely correct. And think about how this will effect the younger guys that participated. I mean in todays world its all about ME ME ME, and what cool things "I" can get. Its never about giving back, or helping someone that is down. I really hope that now that some of these guys got a taste of that, and they make a point of helping people the rest of their lives. Pay it forward is a really great thing.

I just can't say how proud of you guys/gals I really am!!

[This message has been edited by DeLorean00 (edited 11-23-2009).]

N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #97, 11-24-2009 01:05 AM
      I put these in the main thread and I'll put'em here too.

2 pics from 2.5 in hi-res, the picture of the group in the shop with the car is the first one. The second one is all the cars out front.

http://www.n3m3s1s.net/fiero/tylergroup1.jpg

http://www.n3m3s1s.net/fiero/tylergroup2.jpg


carbon MSG #98, 11-24-2009 07:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:


You and Lori are completely correct. And think about how this will effect the younger guys that participated. I mean in todays world its all about ME ME ME, and what cool things "I" can get. Its never about giving back, or helping someone that is down. I really hope that now that some of these guys got a taste of that, and they make a point of helping people the rest of their lives. Pay it forward is a really great thing.

I just can't say how proud of you guys/gals I really am!!



Honestly, I think that this project actually disproves that the "world" is about ME ME ME... people in the spotlight, yes, but not average everyday people. That is why I can't stand it when the media tells us how horrible the United States is as a country. This place is filled with giving people. I agree that the pay it forward concept is awesome. I think the young people that participated already had it in them and the older guys and gals got an affirmation that we aren't doing as bad as we have been told.


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #99, 11-24-2009 10:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:


Honestly, I think that this project actually disproves that the "world" is about ME ME ME... people in the spotlight, yes, but not average everyday people. That is why I can't stand it when the media tells us how horrible the United States is as a country. This place is filled with giving people. I agree that the pay it forward concept is awesome. I think the young people that participated already had it in them and the older guys and gals got an affirmation that we aren't doing as bad as we have been told.


You are probably right carbon. I guess I am looking at things for a California view point. Believe me out here, by and large, its a ME ME ME culture. This is why I have distanced myself from most of my so called friends.

87antuzzi and I were talking yesterday about if Tyler had lived here in California it would have been a lot harder to pull this off. You would have been very hard pressed to find any body shop to help at all, let alone paint his car and host the event. Local tire shops wouldn't stepped up, etc, etc. I have tried in the past to get places involved out here in help a family in need, and it was like pulling teeth. I got a lot of broken promises and no one following through. I think that is the main culture difference between selfish California and rest of the nation. Now thats not to say California doesn't have good people, its just you have to look harder.

And also my statement was not meant to take away or discredit the younger guys. In my life I got involved in a few good projects like this when I was in my mid-teens and I really think it was something that change my life a lot. What I was trying to say was that I think being involved in Tyler car will probably change their lives as well. I am sure this project has changed the lives of everyone involved in someway.

[This message has been edited by DeLorean00 (edited 11-24-2009).]

2.5 MSG #100, 11-24-2009 01:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Taijiguy:

I've been telling Lori about this endeavor, and she just made the observation that this was such a major event, you guys who actually went and participated will never forget it. This was a weekend you'll remember and talk about for the rest of your lives.


Probably every day for the rest of our lives.
As I left it all started hitting me how big this is in sooo many ways.


2.5 MSG #101, 11-24-2009 01:54 PM
      I haven't concentrated at work, or slept right yet since.
When I open the PFF it is like going home.


2.5 MSG #102, 11-24-2009 02:02 PM
      I was reloading the video feed for Hulki at the reveal on a laptop I think was from a newsatation that I think DIYStu had a handf in setting up that the signal kept getting dropped. I was waiting for the guys to get back from Ty's Fiero run with them, and a young girl came up to me. She had to be in Ty's class. I'd say 17 or 18. She had tears welling up and asked if I was one of the guys who built the car. I said I was one of them. She expressed alot of care and said thank you soooo much for what we did. She sort fo said "I feel..." and stalled hardly able to talk. I was tearing up too and gave her a big hug and said "I feel the same way". That is about all I could say and not bust into tears. I hope I was some comfort. She certainly impacted me.

I do hope this all can be an inspiration to everyone what is really important, and how precious we all are.


USFiero MSG #103, 11-24-2009 08:22 PM
      Shawn I saw you in the trunk of Tyler's Fiero for many, many hours. You may have gotten there late, but it looks like you gave at least as much as anyone else.
Don't think we didn't notice here at home.

Oh, and Pontiac Kid... we know you didn't break it. Lighten up.


NCTyphoonKid (cdahr@triad.rr.com) MSG #104, 11-24-2009 08:40 PM
      Thank you for those who helped/contributed! I watched part of the build through the chat glad ya'll made his dream come true good people we have here

PURPLE REIGN (mp112fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #105, 11-24-2009 09:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by USFiero:

Shawn I saw you in the trunk of Tyler's Fiero for many, many hours. You may have gotten there late, but it looks like you gave at least as much as anyone else.
Don't think we didn't notice here at home.

Oh, and Pontiac Kid... we know you didn't break it. Lighten up.


Yeah, i was only 2 hours late of my target....though i did stay up through the night on the project.


Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #106, 11-24-2009 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:
Rear manifold came out with a fight too, except for one bolt......1/4 of the way out, snapped flush with the head. Great, this will be fun.While Fred quickly ported them for a few extra ponies, believe it or not with the VERY limited tools we had, someone had a right angle drill. So more than 2 to 3 hour was wasted drilling the bolt & snapped 1 easy out in the hole before i could tap new threads. With a tap & vice grips mind you Reassembly begins again much later than expected. Gaskets show up & were on the way.

For those watching on the webcam, we watched for hours as you guys drilled/retapped those exhaust manifolds, Good Job


Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #107, 11-24-2009 09:56 PM
      Heh, I bet the coffee pot never got a break all weekend....

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #108, 11-24-2009 10:21 PM
      Well these are photos just before i left for the airport.




















DIY_Stu MSG #109, 11-24-2009 10:23 PM
      I think I just got a bit caught up on the posts. Wow what a wonderful time I had, Yes there will be stories to tell and many of them. I am SO PROUD to have the privilege to be a part in this. There's somethings I wish I could have done and one thing I really wish I hadn't. For those that didn't catch it Syn kicked my butt first. I ripped the window tint while changing the dews. The tinter..... I cannot remember names for crap is an awesome guy and I can't wait till he moves back to TX. I have made many new friends and do plan a return trip once my car is ready for paint. If it wasn't for all of the donations then there never would have been a need for as many people on this build so I will say it again... THANK YOU ALL.

Tyler if it wasn't for you many of us wouldn't have had the privilege to do anything this selfless in our lifetimes. You will forever be in our minds and hearts. Thank you my friend.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #110, 11-25-2009 09:29 AM
      OMG! What is this thread doing at the third post down?!

This should be perma-stickied to the top!


01GPGT (tw_hay88@msn.com) MSG #111, 11-26-2009 02:29 AM
      wow just wow


great job every one who partisapated in that



85duke (benjeminatate@aol.com) MSG #112, 12-04-2009 08:55 PM
      WOW. I really wish I had known about this earlier. Everyone involved in this is amazing in my book. Thank you all.

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #113, 12-05-2009 07:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


The part of Synthesis could be played by Philip Seymour Hoffman!


Lol the part of PK86 can be played by........ well no one can do it as good as I can.



pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #114, 12-05-2009 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Taijiguy:

Heh, I bet the coffee pot never got a break all weekend....



Lol neither did the 6 cases of beer they had out back for us.



FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #115, 12-05-2009 09:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CC Rider:

Cliff - Can we get Tylers car at the top of the main page?


That's a great idea!! Since it all started here and it would be a great tribute to all of the members who helped out..

Has anyone else tried to make this happen? I could make a new thread about it if anyone thinks it would help.



boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #116, 12-06-2009 04:58 PM
      I will ad pictures and a full write up on the swap later, but I figured I would share that the new engine runs, and holy hell it sounds bad ass. I need to finish up making the harness so it looks as clean as factory. Then it all goes back in and the final tweaking will be done. The car for the most part will be able to drive under its own power on Monday.



Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #117, 12-07-2009 07:49 AM
      bump for pics

2.5 MSG #118, 12-07-2009 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

I will ad pictures and a full write up on the swap later, but I figured I would share that the new engine runs, and holy hell it sounds bad ass. I need to finish up making the harness so it looks as clean as factory. Then it all goes back in and the final tweaking will be done. The car for the most part will be able to drive under its own power on Monday.



Great work dude.


carbon MSG #119, 12-08-2009 07:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

I will ad pictures and a full write up on the swap later, but I figured I would share that the new engine runs, and holy hell it sounds bad ass. I need to finish up making the harness so it looks as clean as factory. Then it all goes back in and the final tweaking will be done. The car for the most part will be able to drive under its own power on Monday.



Pics... Pics... Pics...


Brimmy (brimcam@sfcn.org) MSG #120, 12-08-2009 03:45 PM
      /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\

"as stated above" PICS.....pics....pics.....

Show us what ya got !!!!!!!!!!!


Danyel MSG #121, 12-08-2009 05:58 PM
     


KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #122, 12-08-2009 07:46 PM
      Hello..??????? Updates? Pictures?????? Something?????? Please..

Brimmy (brimcam@sfcn.org) MSG #123, 12-08-2009 08:01 PM
      Anything ?????

Must not have been smooth as thought to be.

Has "Tyler" posted anything lately ??? Curious


KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #124, 12-08-2009 08:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Brimmy:

Anything ?????

Must not have been smooth as thought to be.

Has "Tyler" posted anything lately ??? Curious


No swap ever goes smooth..I've help out in doing a few including mine.


katatak MSG #125, 12-09-2009 03:16 PM
      Another day and no news?

KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #126, 12-09-2009 05:46 PM
      another day and still not a picture of the swap..

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #127, 12-09-2009 07:10 PM
      Tyler has asked me not to come up this weekend because he does not have a place for me to work on the little things I need to do.

I told him that Dave and Karen are willing to loan us their shop again for the work.

I suspect that the swap may not have gone as well as it should have, and hope they can get any issues resolved ASAP.



KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #128, 12-09-2009 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

I suspect that the swap may not have gone as well as it should have, and hope they can get any issues resolved ASAP.


I'm not shocked...


infinitewill MSG #129, 12-09-2009 07:33 PM
      Chris,

Thanks for the heads up! Just let me know when you are going to go up and maybe I can reschedule then. Maybe when Andy comes up in Jan?

\/\/


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #130, 12-09-2009 07:51 PM
      Will,

I still have to go up, regardless. I have to drop some stuff off either way.

So, if you want to come over and say Hi, you can. We may not have the car to play with, but I am waiting for Tyler to get back with me.


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #131, 12-09-2009 09:41 PM
      Hey Guys, Its Tori
Swap is coming along, we are wrapping things up after a minor set back because electrical problem no caused by the swap...we WILL post pictures when we have time.

Lots Of Love
Tori~http://www.fiero.nl/forum/icons/icon12.gif



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #132, 12-09-2009 10:12 PM
      What Electrical Problem?
Details please...

During our build of the car, we detailed EVERYTHING for people watching. We spoke on cam, or talked with them via chat...
Everything was well detailed and documented for the build.

Details.. I want to know what is going on.

I just find it funny that the "Guaranteed 2 day swap" is a LOT longer...

I am coming up this weekend, whether it is finished or not... If it is not finished, then I can't finish the remote starter, or the power door locks...

[This message has been edited by Synthesis (edited 12-09-2009).]

Brimmy (brimcam@sfcn.org) MSG #133, 12-09-2009 10:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

What Electrical Problem?
Details please...

During our build of the car, we detailed EVERYTHING for people watching. We spoke on cam, or talked with them via chat...
Everything was well detailed and documented for the build.

Details.. I want to know what is going on.



I agree & 2nd this motion. Chris, I hope you get to see the fiero when you vist Tyler & his family.


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #134, 12-09-2009 11:19 PM
      We found a good size draw on the battery and found the headlight motors are not switching off and just keep clicking. Both need to to be replaced or redone. A few other minor things too, nothing too major.

Stewart took apart the old engine to show Tyler the condition. I personally have not seen one that worn before and I have had a lot of fiero's apart.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #135, 12-09-2009 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

We found a good size draw on the battery and found the headlight motors are not switching off and just keep clicking. Both need to to be replaced or redone. A few other minor things too, nothing too major.

Stewart took apart the old engine to show Tyler the condition. I personally have not seen one that worn before and I have had a lot of fiero's apart.


The headlight motor draw issue was one of the reasons I was coming up this weekend. It was very clearly documented in the original thread that this was a known issue.

Both motors were completely rebuilt. The torque switch is out of alignment inside, and I suspect the rubber "bump stops" on the motor assemblies are missing or flattened. These absorb the vibration that would cause a motor to twitch...

We unplugged the motors on Monday the 23rd for a reason. They should not have been plugged back in by anyone.

I'd like pictures of the 2.8 motor internals please... Post them here. Document everything.

Also, all engine parts that were put on need to be moved to the new Fiero ASAP. Preferably before Christmas... That way the job is done entirely...
This includes the distributor, the MAP sensor cover, the Middle, and upper intakes..
If the air filter housing was changed in any way that won't allow the stock style air filter, the K&N filter needs to be moved as well.

Also, with the GT Fiero, you should not have a problem mounting a dog bone on the 3.4TDC... The Notchback won't clear because of the lower decklid, but the GT decklid will. So if you have any play in the engine mounting, put the dogbone back in.

Will the car be running by Saturday? I need it at Frazee Body and Glass in running and driving condition in order to finish things. I will be up regardless of whether the car is finished, but I will not be able to finish the few things if you guys aren't done.

[This message has been edited by Synthesis (edited 12-09-2009).]

boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #136, 12-09-2009 11:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


The headlight motor draw issue was one of the reasons I was coming up this weekend. It was very clearly documented in the original thread that this was a known issue.

Both motors were completely rebuilt. The torque switch is out of alignment inside, and I suspect the rubber "bump stops" on the motor assemblies are missing or flattened. These absorb the vibration that would cause a motor to twitch...

We unplugged the motors on Monday the 23rd for a reason. They should not have been plugged back in by anyone.

I'd like pictures of the 2.8 motor internals please... Post them here. Document everything.

Also, all engine parts that were put on need to be moved to the new Fiero ASAP. Preferably before Christmas... That way the job is done entirely...
This includes the distributor, the MAP sensor cover, the Middle, and upper intakes..
If the air filter housing was changed in any way that won't allow the stock style air filter, the K&N filter needs to be moved as well.

Also, with the GT Fiero, you should not have a problem mounting a dog bone on the 3.4TDC... The Notchback won't clear because of the lower decklid, but the GT decklid will. So if you have any play in the engine mounting, put the dogbone back in.

Will the car be running by Saturday? I need it at Frazee Body and Glass in running and driving condition in order to finish things. I will be up regardless of whether the car is finished, but I will not be able to finish the few things if you guys aren't done.



Im not taking pictures of the old engine if you want to see it come look at it personally. As for all the 2.8L parts They will be put in a box and be put on the new car at a later time. They were all removed with care, so don't worry. The car is for the most part done, it can be driven now. I am not using a dogbone on this swap. I did not see a need for it. I made custom engine mounts to not need the dogbone and make the engine look cleaner. We found a use for the MAP cover too, its safe, so don't worry.

I don't need you guys on my back about this swap, so ease off. I know what I am doing, and just because I am donating my time does not mean I'm not doing it right. I am doing it the way Jay and Tyler asked. Every decision was up to them and in the end they will be happy with the outcome, even if you guys don't agree.

Mike


skuzzbomer MSG #137, 12-10-2009 02:32 AM
      To lighten the mood a bit.



From the feed on build day - guess who (?) dancing like a crazy person

[This message has been edited by skuzzbomer (edited 12-10-2009).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #138, 12-10-2009 06:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

To lighten the mood a bit.



From the feed on build day - guess who (?) dancing like a crazy person



lol , it's going to be one of those days. I was pressing the play button for 2 min and trying to get it to play.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #139, 12-10-2009 08:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:


Im not taking pictures of the old engine if you want to see it come look at it personally. As for all the 2.8L parts They will be put in a box and be put on the new car at a later time. They were all removed with care, so don't worry. The car is for the most part done, it can be driven now. I am not using a dogbone on this swap. I did not see a need for it. I made custom engine mounts to not need the dogbone and make the engine look cleaner. We found a use for the MAP cover too, its safe, so don't worry.

I don't need you guys on my back about this swap, so ease off. I know what I am doing, and just because I am donating my time does not mean I'm not doing it right. I am doing it the way Jay and Tyler asked. Every decision was up to them and in the end they will be happy with the outcome, even if you guys don't agree.

Mike


I am not trying to be on your back about this..

I simply want to make sure that this is fully documented for posterity...

There are MANY more people than just you and Stuart who have a vested interest in this car, whether it be parts donation, financial donations, plane tickets for others, or whatever.

I simply want documentation on the car for the sake of documentation.
I am sorry if it came off a bit harsh, my day yesterday was the day from hell, and I may have taken it out on you.

As for the photos of the old engine, if you won't take them, I will. I know that people on here are still a bit "miffed" about the swap itself, because they felt it wasn't necessary. I am not worried about them, but to help put them at ease, I'd like to have the photos there to say "See? The engine was worn out."

That is all. So, if you could, snap some pictures of the parts that are worn, and we can move on. :P

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KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #140, 12-10-2009 09:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:


Im not taking pictures of the old engine if you want to see it come look at it personally. As for all the 2.8L parts They will be put in a box and be put on the new car at a later time. They were all removed with care, so don't worry. The car is for the most part done, it can be driven now. I am not using a dogbone on this swap. I did not see a need for it. I made custom engine mounts to not need the dogbone and make the engine look cleaner. We found a use for the MAP cover too, its safe, so don't worry.

I don't need you guys on my back about this swap, so ease off. I know what I am doing, and just because I am donating my time does not mean I'm not doing it right. I am doing it the way Jay and Tyler asked. Every decision was up to them and in the end they will be happy with the outcome, even if you guys don't agree.

Mike


Man,

Take a step back and take a breath Mike. We just want to see picture's of what you been working on since last weekend. That's it. Were glad you know what your doing, but coming on here every other post so far has been you just talking about how bad this was and everything is coming along just fine. Please just post some picture's of this swap, then maybe people won't be getting a little worked up about.


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #141, 12-10-2009 11:50 AM
      Been working 14 hours or more a day lately. So I will do a complete build with pictures when I have enough time to sit and upload it all. Here's a picture the setup mostly done. Runs and drives, all guages work, Speedometer and TCC work correctly too.



2.5 MSG #142, 12-10-2009 11:52 AM
      As long as Tyler and family are getting what is requested we are cool. I am thinking it was easier for a larger group of people from the Build on Nov 21 to get pics and document things partly due to the number of people involved. I can understand communication issues. You are all appreciated for what you are doing to help. Maybe use the old fashioned phone cummunication method to clear things up?

*edit, PIC LOOKS NICE!

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Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #143, 12-10-2009 12:01 PM
      boysatt, I understand you are busy. I am not trying to ride you on this. The picture looks great. That alone will help alleviate a lot of concerns that we had with the swap being done with enough time for Tyler to drive it and enjoy it.

Thank you for uploading it. It looks great!
I eagerly await photos and build info.

Would like to see the mounts you guys devised. They may be able to be duplicated for other swappers.

I will still be up this weekend, and I would like to see the old engine or have you snap pictures. As I said, there are people that have an issue with the swap only from the "old engine is so badly worn out it barely runs" perspective, when it ran so beautifully and drove very nicely for us on the day of the reveal and the Monday/Tuesday afterward. Let's put those naysayers to rest with pictures.

Again, the engine looks GREAT in there. You guys have done good so far. I can't wait to see it and possibly, with Tyler's permission, drive it this weekend.

Question: Since the engine is new, what about the breakin period? The last thing we need is Tyler stomping on the gas on a brand new engine without the proper breakin.. You KNOW he will romp on that monster motor. LOL!



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #144, 12-10-2009 12:02 PM
      Oh! Quick question.. I noticed the cruise cable is not connected.. Do you have to modify a cable to make it work? Do you need a cable? I may have one here.

boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #145, 12-10-2009 12:14 PM
      There is really no break in period. GM crate motors are broke in at the factory prior to being shipped. Basically its ready to take out a give her hell. I put the cruise servo back on for the time being. It will not have operational cruise for a bit yet, not sure even if it worked in the first place. A custom cable will need to be made and a different vacuum can will have to be mounted as there was no room for the original one in the stock location.

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #146, 12-10-2009 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

There is really no break in period. GM crate motors are broke in at the factory prior to being shipped. Basically its ready to take out a give her hell. I put the cruise servo back on for the time being. It will not have operational cruise for a bit yet, not sure even if it worked in the first place. A custom cable will need to be made and a different vacuum can will have to be mounted as there was no room for the original one in the stock location.


Ok. That works. It did work prior to the swap, I tested it myself when I drove it back from the school.

Depending on the ECM, you may be able to put the electronic servo on. It will work better I think.


Fiero STS (onesupermech@netscape.net) MSG #147, 12-10-2009 12:44 PM
      You should be able to use an electric cruise modual fome an early 90's GM car. The ECM probably has cruise inputs and outputs similar to an 88 Fiero. No need for a vacuume canister or custom cable.

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KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #148, 12-10-2009 01:27 PM
      Here are the links for installing the newer cruise from GM

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/090358.html

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/102406.html


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #149, 12-10-2009 02:51 PM
      Edited for posterity.

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01GPGT (tw_hay88@msn.com) MSG #150, 12-10-2009 04:13 PM
      deffinantly looks factory

can't wait for the write up and more pics



Soviet (ilya.leontovich@gmail.com) MSG #151, 12-10-2009 05:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

The headlight motor draw issue was one of the reasons I was coming up this weekend. It was very clearly documented in the original thread that this was a known issue.

Both motors were completely rebuilt. The torque switch is out of alignment inside, and I suspect the rubber "bump stops" on the motor assemblies are missing or flattened. These absorb the vibration that would cause a motor to twitch...



The bump stops are all present and look like new - I'm guessing they came with the new gears.
The D shaped seals are also in good shape and in their proper slots.
Both motors are not hitting the limit switches consistently, causing the breakers to overheat and trip repeatedly.
Are the coil springs used to put pressure on the limit switches the original ones in both motors?
There is either too much frictional resistance on the motors or not enough power to screw them all the way up and down.


FastFieros (fastfieros@fastfieros.com) MSG #152, 12-10-2009 05:29 PM
      Wow, the MAP sensor cover found a new home. It looks nice in there.

http://www.fastfieros.com


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #153, 12-10-2009 05:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Soviet:


The bump stops are all present and look like new - I'm guessing they came with the new gears.
The D shaped seals are also in good shape and in their proper slots.
Both motors are not hitting the limit switches consistently, causing the breakers to overheat and trip repeatedly.
Are the coil springs used to put pressure on the limit switches the original ones in both motors?
There is either too much frictional resistance on the motors or not enough power to screw them all the way up and down.


I don't know if the springs are the same or not. They were rebuilt by rarew66. Thank you for the input!

The gears only come with the internal rubber bumpers and the screws holding the motor halves together.
Then that means the switches may be "cockeyed" inside, like they were on my old 86 motors.

Let me dig through my bins. I may have some good switches stored that we can test with...

It just seems as if they aren't hitting the bottom limit.


Soviet (ilya.leontovich@gmail.com) MSG #154, 12-10-2009 06:02 PM
      They definitely are not hitting the top or bottom limits - the breakers keep tripping with the lights up and on as well as when down and off.
Internally, everything looks as it should. Limit switches are square with their triggers and brushes are square with the commutator.
A few revolutions of the screw after it has stopped moving alleviates the breaker from tripping, but isn't acceptable for this car.
We cycled them quite a few times to get the grease evenly distributed, but the symptoms are still the same.
If anyone has experienced this after a headlight motor rebuild, feel free to chime in.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #155, 12-10-2009 06:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Soviet:

They definitely are not hitting the top or bottom limits - the breakers keep tripping with the lights up and on as well as when down and off.
Internally, everything looks as it should. Limit switches are square with their triggers and brushes are square with the commutator.
A few revolutions of the screw after it has stopped moving alleviates the breaker from tripping, but isn't acceptable for this car.
We cycled them quite a few times to get the grease evenly distributed, but the symptoms are still the same.
If anyone has experienced this after a headlight motor rebuild, feel free to chime in.


I wonder if the stator assembly on the motor needs to be sanded smooth or cleaned up to take care of any polishing on the brush contact surface. Might that be part of the problem?

Reduced torque on the motor because of a surface that isn't "fresh"?


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #156, 12-10-2009 08:02 PM
      I need to make a very public apology to Stuart Restad of Restad Repair...

During the original thread, there was a photo of his 3.4 swap on his wife's Fiero that really caused some concern with many members of the Fiero community...

I had a revelation today that helped me realize that I was one of those members, and I have wronged Stuart, Mike (boysatt) and a few others by judging them without truly knowing them or their drive to meet and exceed the efforts that were invested in the Tyler Project with the original build.

I know when I am wrong, and I am willing to say "I am sorry."

Stuart, I realized today that an auto mechanic spends more time and effort on their client's cars to make sure they are perfect than they do on their own. I should never have judged your work quality and craftsmanship ahead of time. I was wrong for this. I am sorry, and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

boysatt, based on my limited experience with you on this forum, and what I have learned about you in our mutual journey on PFF, I also misjudged you. You have put a lot of effort and heart and soul into the engine swap, and it looks beautiful. I am sure it runs as well as it looks, and I look forward to seeing it in person.
Please accept my apologies. You don't have to like me, but I ask that you at the very least consider forgiving me for passing judgment based on text on a web forum, and what others have said. I should have never listened to them.

I spoke with Stuart tonight, and I firmly believe him when he states the old engine is worn. It has 140k+ on it, and even a rebuild would be questionable on it.
I am fully confident in the work that they have done, and believe that it meets the ideals that were set when we built the car... "Perfection isn't good enough"..

There were MANY people who participated in the swap that took time off of work, dug deep into their own pockets, and made sure that the engine went in without difficulty, and that everything worked. To the rest, I do not know who you are, or how much you participated, but thank you.

Tyler now has himself a beautiful car with a powerful motor, and the reliability to get him through anything with it .

I was wrong. And for that, I am sorry.

The build, the swap, everything is about Tyler. Building the dream that he dreamed, and making it more than he could have ever imagined.


katatak MSG #157, 12-10-2009 08:13 PM
      Not sure if the limit switch actuator fingers were taken off the shaft or not. I have seen these upside down and will not make proper contact with the limit switch. Also I have seen the springs that seperate the two fingers collapsed and do not put enough tension on the fingers to actuate the switch. I have seen a few GM gen 1 headlight motors with inferior springs too. Also could be the contacts in the switches are dirty.

Note the difference in the springs:


Pat


katatak MSG #158, 12-10-2009 08:16 PM
      One other thing I did not see mentioned. Sorry if it was already thought of but are the rubber grommets under the knob/top of the housing seated correctly? If not. these will "limit" the movement of the shaft and will not allow the limit switch to be engaged by the finger.

Pat


carbon MSG #159, 12-10-2009 09:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

I need to make a very public apology to Stuart Restad of Restad Repair...

During the original thread, there was a photo of his 3.4 swap on his wife's Fiero that really caused some concern with many members of the Fiero community...

I had a revelation today that helped me realize that I was one of those members, and I have wronged Stuart, Mike (boysatt) and a few others by judging them without truly knowing them or their drive to meet and exceed the efforts that were invested in the Tyler Project with the original build.

I know when I am wrong, and I am willing to say "I am sorry."


I am sorry as well... it must be a male control issue... not there to see, must not be getting done right. Sorry guys.


RAREW66 (fbartemeyerjr@q.com) MSG #160, 12-10-2009 09:53 PM
      Soviet,

Check your PM's.

Fred


Fiero STS (onesupermech@netscape.net) MSG #161, 12-11-2009 09:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Not sure if the limit switch actuator fingers were taken off the shaft or not. I have seen these upside down and will not make proper contact with the limit switch. Also I have seen the springs that seperate the two fingers collapsed and do not put enough tension on the fingers to actuate the switch. I have seen a few GM gen 1 headlight motors with inferior springs too. Also could be the contacts in the switches are dirty.

Note the difference in the springs:


Pat


You learn something new everyday. Thanks for sharing this info. I have a set of motors to rebuild. this info will help out.


Stewart, kudos on your and Boysats work on the engine swap. I am intrested in the details of the swap and pictures of how you guys did things.


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #162, 12-11-2009 09:54 AM
      took a few minutes to upload pictures this morning. SO i figured I would post a few and a link to the album. I took all the pictures with my blackberry, so there not the best but alright.

http://s23.photobucket.com/.../fiero%2034L%20swap/

You can see the center engine mount in the picture, the stock front mount brack was used off the 2.8 with a bit of cutting and a different rubber mount.







Stewart standing in the car making the fuel lines, He made all metal and plastic lines with quick disconnects. He had the fancy kit and tools to make those, they look cleaner and very simple to unhook.






In this picture you can see my custom dipstick.



Idler pulley replacing the water pump.


Intake Manifold painted to match the car.




Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #163, 12-11-2009 09:57 AM
      That looks great. It exceeds what I expected by a long shot. As stated, kudos.

boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #164, 12-11-2009 09:59 AM
      Here are close ups of the mounts. Steward has part numbers for them, but I believe they are off a old dodge truck.

This mount was used instead of a dog bone.



Front trans mount



Rear trans mount



First attempt at a custom rear valve cover, had too much angle the first time.


First test fit


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #165, 12-11-2009 10:05 AM
      Working on the test fit


Custom true dual exhaust






Final attempt at a oil filler, work perfect this time.



boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #166, 12-11-2009 10:07 AM
     















Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #167, 12-11-2009 10:09 AM
      Now I see what you did for the front mount. I couldn't visualize why you weren't using a dog bone until now.

Those look very solid, and I see two front mounts. One just inside the exhaust hump on the front of the motor, and one down below the transmission/alternator on the cradle.



KEV (black85gt@yahoo.com) MSG #168, 12-11-2009 10:35 AM
      I can say I was wrong in doubting that it wouldn't turn out nice. Very nice job guy's on the swap.



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #169, 12-11-2009 10:38 AM
      I also see what you did with the true dual exhaust. That is going to sound wicked.

Again, please accept my apologies. You guys have blown me away.


boysatt (boysatt1@gmail.com) MSG #170, 12-11-2009 10:51 AM
      I know most of you guys really don't know me but I am a mechanic and a collision repair Tech for a living. I can do it all from rebuild a engine to fixing a smashed up car. Engine swaps is something I love to do, I have done a few in fiero's from the 3.4 pushrod, now 3.4 DOHC, 3800SC, Chevy Small block, Cadillac 4.9L and a Honda H23. But I wore work with f-bodys and do LT and LS conversions in 67 to 92 bodys. Have been a few years since my last swap but I also to porsche and rx7 V8 conversions too.

I take pride in what I do and I am a perfectionist. I will build a car nicer for my customers than myself.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #171, 12-11-2009 10:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

I know most of you guys really don't know me but I am a mechanic and a collision repair Tech for a living. I can do it all from rebuild a engine to fixing a smashed up car. Engine swaps is something I love to do, I have done a few in fiero's from the 3.4 pushrod, now 3.4 DOHC, 3800SC, Chevy Small block, Cadillac 4.9L and a Honda H23. But I wore work with f-bodys and do LT and LS conversions in 67 to 92 bodys. Have been a few years since my last swap but I also to porsche and rx7 V8 conversions too.

I take pride in what I do and I am a perfectionist. I will build a car nicer for my customers than myself.


The car looks great. I honestly have no doubts about your abilities now. I am very impressed with what you, Stuart and everyone else have pulled off. It looks fantastic, and I am genuinely ashamed for my original thoughts and opinions.

If I had the time and money to take my car off of the road to have a swap done, I'd ask you guys to duplicate what you have done with Tyler's car on mine. It looks fantastic!


carbon MSG #172, 12-11-2009 11:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt:

I know most of you guys really don't know me but I am a mechanic and a collision repair Tech for a living. I can do it all from rebuild a engine to fixing a smashed up car. Engine swaps is something I love to do, I have done a few in fiero's from the 3.4 pushrod, now 3.4 DOHC, 3800SC, Chevy Small block, Cadillac 4.9L and a Honda H23. But I wore work with f-bodys and do LT and LS conversions in 67 to 92 bodys. Have been a few years since my last swap but I also to porsche and rx7 V8 conversions too.

I take pride in what I do and I am a perfectionist. I will build a car nicer for my customers than myself.


I believe it Looks great!


Tony Kania MSG #173, 12-11-2009 12:22 PM
      Very nice work! I showed the pics to my low mileage 87GT. She now has engine envy! I personally love the sound of that engine. It is it's own monster.

Tony


2.5 MSG #174, 12-11-2009 01:24 PM
      Great job boysatt, and the rest of you there swappin'. I bet some of us who think about swaps in the future may give you some more business!

carbon MSG #175, 12-11-2009 05:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by boysatt
In this picture you can see my custom dipstick.


Save it for your girl man... No one here wants to see your dipstick... custom or not.


01GPGT (tw_hay88@msn.com) MSG #176, 12-11-2009 05:39 PM
      wow that is vary nice.

have any vids of how the new engine sounds

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R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #177, 12-11-2009 09:25 PM
      Fantastic job guys!!!! I am so glad this is going well.



katatak MSG #178, 12-11-2009 11:14 PM
      Excellent work guys. Very nice looking swap. The motor mounts look great. Nice touch with the manifold. There should have never been any doubt in your guys ability and dedication. Thanks for all you have done for Tyler and his Toy. We need some video so we can hear that baby purr.

Pat



farmerstu (ckliewer@mmm.com) MSG #179, 12-12-2009 11:13 PM
     

*all questions or statements about the video or any questions regarding it may be sent to David Svare... VIA Facebook, Youtube comments, or hotmail ( redlined_racer@hotmail.com) Thank You!

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solotwo MSG #180, 12-12-2009 11:44 PM
      Wow fantastic job guys!

skuzzbomer MSG #181, 12-13-2009 04:51 AM
      After watching that video... I'm really mad at myself for missing out on a crate LQ1 last week.


Great job... seriously. This is just amazing - brilliant work. (now, come down here and help me with something...? haha )


2.5 MSG #182, 12-13-2009 05:12 PM
      Great job , looks like Tyler had some good times too!

carbon MSG #183, 12-13-2009 06:05 PM
      I don't think that there would have been any doubts if anyone here could have known the size and expertise of the group doing the swap. A few updates would have shut every one up.

Great work guys!


BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #184, 12-19-2009 01:40 PM
      whats new?

carbon MSG #185, 12-21-2009 01:09 PM
      Uh... Tyler has the car... I don't know what else would be new.

Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #186, 12-22-2009 06:26 AM
      freakin eh ...ah the power of the DOHC

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2.5 MSG #187, 12-22-2009 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BMTFIERO:

whats new?


I heard Tylers family was building a garage to store the Fieros, his and one for his sister, which they have as well. Not sure when that was taking place.


Dan Ro MSG #188, 01-17-2010 05:17 PM
      Do we know how Tyler likes the 3.4 DOHC?

2.5 MSG #189, 01-21-2010 01:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dan Ro:

Do we know how Tyler likes the 3.4 DOHC?


Here you go

The other thread has info
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/078180-69.html

There is a vid above a few posts here as well

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Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #190, 07-19-2010 12:58 PM
      Bumping.

McTamney (patrick_mctamney@pepboys.com) MSG #191, 10-14-2010 10:28 AM
      bump. why the engine swap exactly?

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #192, 10-14-2010 05:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by McTamney:

bump. why the engine swap exactly?


An engine was donated by Stuart Restadt, of Pelican Rapids, MN. He had a brand new 3.4 DOHC crate engine sitting in the garage, and had no use for it. He had already performed a 3.4 DOHC swap in his wife's Fiero as well, so had the background on it.

The engine was originally donated with two options, one was to auction it off and use the funds for the car, and the other was that if Tyler wanted it, he could have it installed in the car.

Tyler opted for the engine, as he was a horsepower kind of guy.

Stuart hand-picked a crew that was very well rounded. Since Stuart had his own well equipped automotive shop on his farm, he then called in some contacts with exhaust and transmission shops, etc.
Those people came out and invested their time and money and expertise in the engine swap.

boysatt, who helped with the build itself also helped out with the engine swap.

The car is not unique in the engine choice, but there is no other car exactly like this one. There is only one "Tyler's Toy", and the engine is perfect for the car.


NeoNot MSG #193, 07-31-2012 11:35 PM
      I just want to give this thread a bump to remember all those that worked so hard to make sure Tyler's dream came true!

I havent been able to work on my Fiero's in quite some time but I still make it by the forums on occassion and always like looking through this thread and see how total strangers came together for one young man.

I know it is long over due but I would just like to say thank you to all those that worked on this project.


Danyel MSG #194, 08-01-2012 09:16 AM
      You can see the build on www.tylerstoy.com ... ''Gallery'' section