THE ULTIMATE FIERO BUILD LAMBO REPLICA
Topic started by: merciero, Date: 04-14-2009 07:55 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000105.html


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #1, 04-14-2009 07:55 PM
      OK i just though i should do a build diary on this... im building a lamborghini murcielago LP640 replica. my base is a 85 fiero 2m4. well first i pulled all the body off, then the doors, then the interior, dash, air box, ect. then i pulled the entire wire harness out..... then pulled the whole suspension, brakes, cradles,ect. the only thing left was just the frame and tub. i then took it to my shop where we stretched the frame 10.5 inches. sheet metal on the gap, and did a very clean stretch job to it. i stretched the cradle once i made a jig for it on the following day. poly bushings on the whole front and rear. i did the beretta brake upgrade for the front, and just got new calipers for the rear. i painted the springs and calipers orange to match the body. now i had to choose gauges....... there are so many out there. the closest i could get was in a junk yard where there lied a t boned 06 grand prix GT. so in order for these gauges to work i needed the wire harness out of the car, so i pulled the entire harness out of the car gauges, air box, a/c controls, hud center, steering column, fuse box, bcm, pcm, gas pedal, brake pedal, door harnesses, window motor, all the switches, radio, everything. now the steering column all i had to do is fab a bracket to mount it up. and push the u joint out the top connector and swap the steering shaft with the fiero shaft, pressed it back in so now i have the fiero steering shaft with the GP yoke to bolt to the steering comlumn. i have the aluminum dash brace with the air box mounted out of the GP and im trimming it to fit tomorrow. now i know this sounds way to much but its not just the gauges. now i have a 06 grand prix just in a fiero. i get the new climate control and a/c controls. gauges, a working hud unit, on star, air bags, and i have absolutly zero conversion to put my 06 drive by wire series 3 supercharged 3800 in,,,, i just plug it all in. also i now will have all diagnostics on the car. all CELs will be legit. im in the middle of trying to get the comp g tapshift to go into my car.... so how many fiero based lambos do you see with tap shift (paddle shifters) and the fastest way to ruin a good replica is old gauges and a/c controls. but i will get pics up of everything once my wife gets her damn camera. but i figured i would share my ideas.... for everyone wanting to do a 3800 this is the best way although it is a whole lot of work but ill keep everyone updated....thanks

couldahadaV8 MSG #2, 04-14-2009 09:03 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by merciero:

the fastest way to ruin a good replica is old gauges and a/c controls


Of course another way to ruin a good replica is to look inside and immediately see gauges from a GM car. All this work so you can have an unrealistic interior? I guess I just don't get it.

Oh, have you stretched the cradle to increase the wheelbase an extra 1" compared with your frame stretch? Otherwise you are 1" short.

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katatak MSG #3, 04-14-2009 10:44 PM
      Must have proof of life! In other words, This Thread is Useless Without Pics! Got to have them! Please!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #4, 04-14-2009 11:59 PM
     

What body kit are you using (made by whom) ?


BlackThunderGT MSG #5, 04-15-2009 12:49 AM
      What no pictures...is this a Lambo or a LAMO

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #6, 04-15-2009 04:13 PM
      lamo... "lmao" but yes i did stretch the cradle i just got all the suspension components back on. i will take pics tonight hopefulley. the kit is an lp640 kit, im getting it from mike vetter. but the who made it part,,,,, he got the molds from triangle G who shut down a while ago. so T G made the kit. but mike vetter is the bad ass selling them now..... and yes the best way to ruin a good replica is to see gm gauges but. an even faster way to ruin it is to keep the out dated fiero gauges... ive seen plenty of replicas that kept the stock gauges. at least im trying to stay as close as possible to a good replica. if you want i could ruin it by using some honda gauges instead...

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #7, 04-15-2009 04:19 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by katatak:

Must have proof of life! In other words, This Thread is Useless Without Pics! Got to have them! Please!


you have a way of putting it to people dont you katatak



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #8, 04-15-2009 08:56 PM
      ok well the dash frame would not fit to save my life. so i had to remove the airbox and mount it alone. which included plasma cutting alot of **** out of the way..... so hey all i had to do was diminish the structural intergrity of the car..... small price to pay. so tomorrow i have to weld some braces in. i also mounted the steering column with some small modifications to the brackets but its in.

americasfuture2k MSG #9, 04-15-2009 09:56 PM
     



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #10, 04-16-2009 04:27 PM
      murciero,

Are you familair with murci-me on the Kit car forum ?? ( Note: you might have to join the forum, it's free, to be able see the pics)

http://www.madmechanics.com...-me-build-(changes)/





He made an LP640 out of a triangle G kit and it is unbelievable ! Please go see his build thread before you finish your build,..it has tons of great ideas, from working bat wings, to working paddle shifters.



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katatak MSG #11, 04-16-2009 05:14 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:


you have a way of putting it to people dont you katatak



Until I got this XTC, I was not really into the rebodies but now that I have one, I want to do one myself and the lack of pictures does not help me.....lol! I want to see how the stretch was done..... Please....!


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #12, 04-17-2009 07:52 PM
      ok got a camera postin pics sat. morning

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #13, 04-19-2009 01:42 PM
     

i have never posted pics on a forum before so if this doesnt work ill try again

<a href="http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/brandon86jones/?action=view¤t=kitfront-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/brandon86jones/kitfront-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


heres the front

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the side

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this is with all the air box pulled out and i cleaning up the wiring so none of it is in there at the moment

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here is the stretch and the rear bracing that will be used for my batwings
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the inner stretch keeping the steet metal stock look

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upper inside stretch
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cradle stretch

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lower stretch once again keeping the stock look

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all the grand prix wiring i took out to clean up

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a bunch of air ducts and window motors, ect.
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the air box

by the way does anyone have some good rims they wanna get rid of


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #14, 04-19-2009 01:44 PM
     

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #15, 04-19-2009 01:48 PM
     





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couldahadaV8 MSG #16, 04-19-2009 04:07 PM
      Very nice metal work on the stretch!



RWDPLZ MSG #17, 04-19-2009 04:55 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by couldahadaV8:

Very nice metal work on the stretch!


That's what I was thinking, too, I've seen so many that look like they were done by drunken amateurs with no welding skills or common sense.



pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #18, 04-19-2009 05:00 PM
      wow im stunned thats not a cheap rebody........GRRRRRR if only i wasent 21 and had a good job. My lil space capsule as my dad calls it will be good enough for now.

ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #19, 04-19-2009 05:08 PM
      Ok i am man enough to say it,,


Just finished read this and started to think,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
GOD MY LIFE SUCKS,,,,,,,,,,,,

SWEET PICS


katatak MSG #20, 04-19-2009 05:12 PM
      That's exactly what I was talking about. I have looked at a few stretch jobs that do not look too good. This one looks to be done right. Very nice. Thanks for the pics.

Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #21, 04-20-2009 01:01 PM
      You got my attention. That stretch is beautiful.

What the story with the spoilerless 2G DSM? Looks like another project you have going.


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #22, 04-20-2009 08:52 PM
      well thanks guys. i could of done a lil better on the stretch but i did it in like 2 hours at my work im a heavy duty truck fabricator. but the kit is a lil more affordable then people think. but yeah that dsm i got it when i was 16 my first car. it was a non turbo automatic. i raced it around thinkin i was fast and got a 600 dollar ticket so my parents took it away. so it sat in my driveway. so i put a kit on it. then that started my obsession. after like 4 kits it now has a widebody i blew the motor so i put 12 Gs into building and boosting the motor. then i shattered my tranny. an auto made for 115 HP had 435HP didnt hold up so i did a manual conversion on it. ive been working on that think for 7 years and everytime i get it done i wanna change something else. lol if you care ill take some pics of it.... i fiberglassed the whole interior, air cylinder suspension, 400+ motor its, not bad. but this was a GM forum so i didnt think anyone would care bout it.............

anyways update i got the harnesses all laid out with all the components hooked up there are a few places i had to cut the wires to get it out. so i just got done soldering like 100 wires together, i am missing an on star antenna in the rear so im looking for a grand prix around here i can look at.


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #23, 04-20-2009 08:54 PM
      i need some rims cheap but nice so im not rockin a flat and a dog-nut

Dash (aalasmar@uwm.edu) MSG #24, 04-20-2009 10:05 PM
      PM sent about wheels man

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #25, 04-21-2009 06:37 PM
      ok i just go my radiators in so tomorrow i will make brackets and start mounting the radiators in the back

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #26, 04-21-2009 06:53 PM
     










you should be able to click on something and see all the photos in the photobucket
excuse the blck front end im repainting the car so i didnt bother spraying it red yet.

http://s273.photobucket.com...j230/brandon86jones/


PaulJK MSG #27, 04-21-2009 09:12 PM
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PaulJK MSG #28, 04-22-2009 03:29 AM
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merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #29, 04-22-2009 10:58 PM
      got the rest of the wiring done. i gotta pull off and finish my ricer for a car show this weekend but im back on the fieralago in a few days.

HC MSG #30, 04-24-2009 05:51 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:

murciero,

Are you familair with murci-me on the Kit car forum ?? ( Note: you might have to join the forum, it's free, to be able see the pics)



I just read through the whole build thread. Now THAT is the baddest Fiero out there, period. Anybody who hasn't yet visited should go over there and check this out. Thanks for the link exoticse, I saw you posting over there, I am user name veyr0n (just like everywhere on the internet but here).


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #31, 04-24-2009 10:19 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by HC:


I just read through the whole build thread. Now THAT is the baddest Fiero out there, period. Anybody who hasn't yet visited should go over there and check this out. Thanks for the link exoticse, I saw you posting over there, I am user name veyr0n (just like everywhere on the internet but here).


Your welcome !

I agree you should definatly check out the thread and you will have your eyes opened and your jaw dropped.

http://www.madmechanics.com...-me-build-(changes)/

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FierociousGT MSG #32, 04-24-2009 10:30 AM
      merciero, I'm assuming you are going to stretch the frame? Have you consider this?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/061408.html
http://www.321irs.com/

With this you can stretch and install and LS X with the appropiate tranny.



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #33, 04-24-2009 03:16 PM
      yeah i already did my stretch. but i saw this setup online before. dont remember where. but that is a sick design. i would of went that route if i was doing a diablo. but because of the murcie kit i had to stay with this setup. but im working on getting a building and build these for a living.... after this first one i should have the hang of it.... but i will look more into this setup on my next build which is gonna be a dee-low. but did that setup take care of your bump steer also? oh and by the way that mercie me build........ he is my idol...... he got that car so clean and exact...... the best is the interior

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #34, 04-24-2009 05:23 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FierociousGT:

With this you can stretch and install and LS X with the appropiate tranny.



Unless prices have dropped... that stretch isn't cheap.


FierociousGT MSG #35, 04-24-2009 05:37 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Unless prices have dropped... that stretch isn't cheap.


Compared to what the guy in North IL charges for 6 speed kit (which does not include the tranny), $3000 is cheaper for the stretch kit than the 6 speed (G6/F40) kit for $3500.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #36, 04-24-2009 06:06 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FierociousGT:


Compared to what the guy in North IL charges for 6 speed kit (which does not include the tranny), $3000 is cheaper for the stretch kit than the 6 speed (G6/F40) kit for $3500.




The Price for the Master 6 Speed Conversion Kit Without the Transmission is $ 3271.00, but your about right once you add the taxes. Keep in mind that the stretch kit you'll need the Porsch tranny... that's way more than a Pont G6 tranny @ $400-500 on Ebay. I really like the stretch for the Redux using this set-up (pipe dream).

Sorry about the hijack. Back to the build.


FierociousGT MSG #37, 04-24-2009 06:30 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by madcurl:
The Price for the Master 6 Speed Conversion Kit Without the Transmission is $ 3271.00, but your about right once you add the taxes. Keep in mind that the stretch kit you'll need the Porsch tranny... that's way more than a Pont G6 tranny @ $400-500 on Ebay. I really like the stretch for the Redux using this set-up (pipe dream).

Sorry about the hijack. Back to the build.

Good to hear he discounted his price. Also an Audi tranny will work too. I heard those G6/F40 trannys on ebay have issues. I was thinking about the stretch too, would be very sweet.
Sorry for the hijack too.

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merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #38, 04-27-2009 08:36 PM
      ok i sorry i had to take a break on this one and do some work on my other car. but i just got done plasma cutting some holes for the airbox. the wires and airbox goes in tomorrow.... pics will come up once im done for the day.

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #39, 04-30-2009 09:20 PM
      got the radiators on pics tomorow... and wiring goes in

SAFASTRO MSG #40, 05-09-2009 02:10 AM
      Here's a free bump!!

I love the the quality of workmanship on that stretch........I hope mine turns out half as nice as yours!!!
Any tips for me??? I know the tricky part is keeping everything square. What's the best method to use?

I should be pulling my motor this weekend, so I can get going on my stretch.....wish me luck!!!



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #41, 05-10-2009 05:40 PM
      ok got the wiring in as you can see i had to remove the stock gas pedal and put the 06 in since its drive by wire. i had to fabricate the brake switch to work on the fiero pedal. i had to fabricate the 06 master cylinder to work. and the air box is in, all the wires and dash components are in now im just cleaning it up. i also have the 2 radiators on im using civic radiators. and now i have to extend the wires for the engine bay to the rear.
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merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #42, 05-10-2009 07:21 PM
      safastro take a pice of flatbar metal about 1inch wide and weld a tab at each end about a inch and a half in. make the tabs the length of your stretch apart. mine was 10.5.... cut the frame and put the pacer into the frame rail, one on each frame rail. push the frame up to the tabs.. clamp them into place then start your welding. this will keep everything in line i have done many stretches and this is the best way to keep it square. but cross measure before welding just to double check, it sounds like you know what your doing. but if you need any help let me know. ill do what i can




Dash (aalasmar@uwm.edu) MSG #43, 05-11-2009 03:09 PM
      im diggin the twin radiator set up
it looks sick dude



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #44, 05-11-2009 04:12 PM
      Nice build is this the same kit that Merci me used?
I look forward to seeing more from this build.
Are you going to the show in pigon forge on the 5th? I am going to try to be there.
D.

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merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #45, 05-12-2009 05:39 PM
      no its not the same kit. i think he had a g28 mine is a g24 with updates. but i might try to be at the show. if i can get the dsm done. but im not sure yet...... but i just got done with the x brace for under the car. im hoping to weld it on this weeend well see.

proff (fiero128@gmail.com) MSG #46, 05-12-2009 07:20 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:

http://www.madmechanics.com...-me-build-(changes)/












this will be my life time desire to do one day


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #47, 05-15-2009 08:36 AM
      im welding the x brace and runner pipes in tomorrow ill have my wife take lots of pics.... BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF MURCI-ME I GOTTA ASK A FEW QUESTIONS

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #48, 05-15-2009 10:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by merciero:

im welding the x brace and runner pipes in tomorrow ill have my wife take lots of pics.... BY THE WAY DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF MURCI-ME I GOTTA ASK A FEW QUESTIONS


Did you join the kit car forum that i posted ? That may be the best way to communicate with him.

I will try to pass the message along.


Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #49, 05-15-2009 11:15 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by merciero:


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I have the same HVAC you are installing, but I could not fit my foot in between the HVAC and gas pedal with the system were you have it. I placed mine a little diferently so I had greater foot room. And still used the adjustable pedals.


I used the Fiero steering shaft but removed the "U joint" and instaled the aluminun "U joint" onto the Fiero shaft.


BTW that "aluminum" beam that was under the dash IS NOT aluminum. It is magnisium. DONT burn it. I had fun with some of the shavings in a metal can and a lighter. DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME if you get hurt or burn some thing down, dont blame me




carbon MSG #50, 05-15-2009 11:38 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

BTW that "aluminum" beam that was under the dash IS NOT aluminum. It is magnisium. DONT burn it. I had fun with some of the shavings in a metal can and a lighter. DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME if you get hurt or burn some thing down, dont blame me



Awesome


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #51, 05-16-2009 10:33 PM
      nice that is exactly how i have to do mine the steering shaft and all..... good work. did this thread inspire you or were you already in the process. what did yo do to your hvac to make more room for your feet?

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #52, 05-17-2009 02:38 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by merciero:

nice that is exactly how i have to do mine the steering shaft and all..... good work. did this thread inspire you or were you already in the process. what did yo do to your hvac to make more room for your feet?


I have had the HVAC system for a a year or so. I have cut the box up in several pieces trying to avoid cutting the car. But I wound up cutting the car and then plastic welding the system back together.
I think the key to foot room is to move the HVAC closer towards the passenger in all three axis, X,Y and Z. If you move it towards you in the Y, that will allow you to move it further over to the right. And lifting it up a little will give you even more room.
Mine is not under a Fiero dash so I think I have room to move it around.
I cut the top off of a diferent HVAC al plastic welded it together to fit it under the new dash.



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #53, 05-17-2009 06:51 PM
      ok guys i just got done welding the x brace under the car and added supports all around. this is the stoutest fiero ive ever seen.... i went a lil over board with the bracing but heck there is no such thing as too strong...



















































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Dash (aalasmar@uwm.edu) MSG #54, 05-18-2009 12:41 AM
      really diggin your work dude
but dont you think that x-brace on the bottom might be a little troublesome come time to change the fuel pump?


PaulJK MSG #55, 05-18-2009 12:49 AM
     
 
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[B]Originally posted by Dash:

but dont you think that x-brace on the bottom might be a little troublesome come time to change the fuel pump?


that wasn't his biggest mistake so far (but i have no interest 'cause it's not my car)


 
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[B]Originally posted by merciero:

did this thread inspire you ....



c'mon Rick - you WERE inspired, weren't you ;D

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #56, 05-18-2009 01:41 PM
      I hope you never have to do anything under that car any time soon! I think if I was going to do that I would have replaced everything under their first and then given myself an easy way to drop the fuel tank just in case.

I like the build don't get me wrong but sometimes function comes before form


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #57, 05-18-2009 06:44 PM
      the back brace is going to be bolted on it just tacked right now so i can drill it. the middle brace also has a bolted on section.

but by the way what was my biggest mistake? and what could i replace under the car there is nothing left but the tank all brake lines hoses ect have been removed for steel braided lines to go in.





merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #58, 05-18-2009 06:51 PM
      and by the way. the middle stock brace was removed. once i have time i will drill the back angle and bolt it up. and the middle brace about a foot and a half in front of it will be the same way...... but i did think about that since i have to put a performance pump in the tank. but everything is removed besides the a/c lines and heater lines which i checked and are perfect.... dont take this as me defending. i actually enjoy critisism. thats the only way for a builder to perfect, is through anothers piont of view....

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #59, 05-18-2009 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

and by the way. the middle stock brace was removed. once i have time i will drill the back angle and bolt it up. and the middle brace about a foot and a half in front of it will be the same way...... but i did think about that since i have to put a performance pump in the tank. but everything is removed besides the a/c lines and heater lines which i checked and are perfect.... dont take this as me defending. i actually enjoy critisism. thats the only way for a builder to perfect, is through anothers piont of view....



from the pic's I could not see that you were going to make it removeable. I have seen others that never thuoght about it till it was too late.
I try very hard not to critisis. I would rather try to help before something becomes a problem. as long as you know what you are doing all is well.
I love the build I can't wait to see the body on the chassis.
D.



Dash (aalasmar@uwm.edu) MSG #60, 05-18-2009 11:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

the back brace is going to be bolted on it just tacked right now so i can drill it. the middle brace also has a bolted on section.

but by the way what was my biggest mistake? and what could i replace under the car there is nothing left but the tank all brake lines hoses ect have been removed for steel braided lines to go in.



didnt notice that part lol




merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #61, 05-19-2009 09:54 PM
      oh its cool guys ide rather somebody notice now then me have to cut it later..... but i just cut the front end off to clear the kit and i had to trim the door jams......... which i reallly reallly did not want to do..... but pics will come tomorrow

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #62, 07-17-2009 07:52 PM
     

grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #63, 07-17-2009 08:16 PM
      nice work!

[This message has been edited by grkboy707 (edited 07-17-2009).]

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #64, 07-17-2009 10:29 PM
      ok back on the build im working out some kinks with the body being mounted.... i had to cut alot off the dash and front... so im taking it to the shop sat morning and weld up all that i cut... and cut a lil more.... but ill take pics and explain everything as im doin it.

mid engine monsters (midenginemonsters@live.com) MSG #65, 07-18-2009 10:53 AM
     

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #66, 07-19-2009 10:10 AM
      My 355 spyder frame was done by a nascar builder but apparently he built it to the body manufacturers specs. It has the x frame, but it's not strong. My murci roadster has the 2 x 2 side frame rails and it makes a huge difference. Your frame braces more than either of mine. Do you know how much weight was added?

[This message has been edited by dratts (edited 08-10-2009).]

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #67, 07-21-2009 09:34 PM
      not sure but the shippment of the metal was 300 but not all of it was my metal...... so im assuming 150 but compared to how much of the stock wieght i took off..... i have plenty of room to add..... but post pics of your murcie. i would love to see it.

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #68, 07-22-2009 09:50 AM
      the kit is sitting on there... ill take some more pics today... i gotta lift the body off.... my problem is .. there is no motor or wieght on the car so the suspension is maxxed all the way up... if i put the kit on and set it to ride hieght. then when i get the motor in and put the wieght of the kit on the car will squat and sit too low.... so now i made some tube spacers to sit the fiero chassis and stock ride hieght of 7.5 inches and then i made some spacers to sit the kit at 5 inches. so the ride hieght will be set when the fiero squats for the motor..... so ill pull the body off glass some metal to it. weld on the spacers and take a bunch of pics........ hopefully tonight




merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #69, 07-22-2009 09:51 AM
     

mid engine monsters (midenginemonsters@live.com) MSG #70, 07-22-2009 09:57 AM
      she is going to be awesome

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #71, 08-08-2009 11:59 AM
      ok i got a few pieces framed up with metal. now i just have glass it to the body piece........ i have the body off so i can clean up all my welds and edges becuase they look rather crappy... here are some pics of the trouble areas that had to be cut



































Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #72, 08-10-2009 09:02 PM
      That is a lot of work.
You might want to put a seat in and check the steering wheel to driver (chest) clearance. Mine was about 2-3 inches closer with the new column and wheel. I am not sure exactly how much longer the column is but the steering wheel definitely "thicker" because of the deep dish for the air bag.


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #73, 08-11-2009 08:29 AM
      yeah i need to check it but i gotta get the body on so i can check the steering wheel to windshield space also.... im cutting metal for the body right now so ill post picks of how to get the body ready for mounting in a day or so.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #74, 08-11-2009 09:21 AM
      Nice work! A very clean stretch too. I'd like to have my 3"-er come out as nice as yours. I saw that the passenger foot well is bashed in, I hope the frame wasn't warped during the impact.

Rob
FieroVation
FieroInteriors
Seattle, WA.


RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #75, 08-11-2009 03:29 PM
      When are you going to add the window frame support? Make sure you tie that to all the undercarraige stuff you are doing. You will get some movement from side to side if you don't. Also make sure you use a thicker wall tubing in this area.

Check out these for a little more info., even though this was for a diablo I think the "triangulation" will help you.

http://www.lambolounge.com/...tretching-Robert.asp

http://www.lambolounge.com/...ro/Robert/Robert.asp

I have a few more pics if you are interested, pm me and I'll shoot them to you.

Keep up the good work


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #76, 08-11-2009 07:19 PM
      well im going to frame the entire body and glass the metal to it.... then ill sit the body on the chassis and weld the 2 together.. and thanks RUNDLC i never really thought about that... attaching it to the undercar supports will strengthen the windshield area so much and stout up the whole upper half of the kit...... very good idea. i like the metal work on those 2 builds. once mine is cleaned up and all together i hope its half as clean....... but im waiting to do my skeleton of the body.. i need my wife to get off my ass for a day or 2..... and when she works i gotta watch our 14 month old...... so my build is starting to slack......

RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #77, 08-12-2009 01:07 AM
      If I were you I would not f.g steel into the body, they expand at different rates you only need to use window urathane to mount the body to the steel, that the way it been done for a long time, once curred it's not going anywhere. Study the pics that I emailed to you and they should help. Do you have the correct tires and wheels yet? I would want them on prior to bonding the body down.

Oh yea one other thing, your 14 month old needs you right now too, she/or he will not be that young long! Take the time to spend and enjoy your child they grow up real fast. The car can wait

[This message has been edited by RUNDLC (edited 08-12-2009).]

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #78, 08-13-2009 08:10 PM
      RUNDLC i like you, your a real stand up guy........ another thing, you say bold the metal to the body with the urathane.......... it wont come loose down the line? my body doesnt touch the chassis anywhere..... i am building an entire skeleton of the body.... so i will have alot of metal on it...... i doubt it is going anywhere but..... i just wanna be sure.... MikeV. does his like that...... he is who i got the kit through... his kits come out very good... but he also told me to put coremat in between the metal and body.... im using very thin foam.... in between the metal and kit..... but can you send me a few pics of your build how you mounted the diablo. other kits like mercie me, mercenary, and anyones else kinda sits on the frame in certian places to help hold it.... but mike modified this one to fit a boxster so everything was removed..... now nothing touches the frame..... so i have to suspend it in the air with the metal i add....... im just worried bout the kit coming loose..... what do you suggest

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #79, 08-14-2009 08:39 AM
      So you bought the car already stretched and are adding more bracing? The body looks nice; you have a lot of hard work ahead of you.
When I braced my convert. I just made sub frame connectors for it and it was very strong and only used very little steel I never understood why no one else has done that.
I might have missed it but what engine set up areyou going with?


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #80, 08-14-2009 10:32 PM
      no when i got the car it was stock.... i did the stretch myself....... im using the motor and trans out of the 06 grand prix GT... its the 3.8 supercharged v6 what do you meen subframe connectors? could you post a few pics for me... im not sure i follow

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #81, 08-17-2009 10:19 AM
      the front fender areas are all welded up now time for the rear, pics tomorrow

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #82, 08-18-2009 09:07 PM
      here is a lil bit of the metal in the rear not all of it is in there but you get the idea. its alot of metal but it doesnt wieght as much as you think. i want it to be strong. but the interior is sitting on the car as well... for reference






















merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #83, 08-21-2009 04:54 PM
      ok sat i weld up the other side and then pull the skeleton out to grind it up

F355spider (nixon@itexas.net) MSG #84, 08-22-2009 10:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

no when i got the car it was stock.... i did the stretch myself....... im using the motor and trans out of the 06 grand prix GT... its the 3.8 supercharged v6 what do you meen subframe connectors? could you post a few pics for me... im not sure i follow

Subframe connectors are what you tie the front and rear frames together with to make it a solid frame car the way we did our Camaros, Vegas and Novas in the day for drag racing. I did it four or five years ago maybe longer time passes by fast will look to see if I can find the pictures but I showed them before in a thread somewhere.


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #85, 08-23-2009 05:15 PM
      ok i got the rear all mocked up and pulled the frames out to get welded and grinded down... then i will epoxy the frames in the car weld the 4 frames together with some braces and 1 1/2 tubing that goes under the door jam. so it will be one large solid subframe... and then fiberglass the frame to the body. .. here are a few pics of the frames you can kinda get an idea of where im coming from..... also the batwings i just got done with... i framed it up and designed a hinge so they will actually be functional.....









































merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #86, 08-24-2009 09:52 PM
      welding up the gaps and joints, grinding and just got done attaching the deck lid to the frame.... hopefully it turns out good in the morning

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #87, 08-25-2009 06:12 PM
      just picked up 2 sets of jetta trunk hinges for the trunk and hood.... i think im gonna use the fiero engine cover hinges for the deck lid of the lambo..... and i found a mercedes in the woods with the perfect lambo latches. so ill get those off tomorrow.....

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #88, 08-25-2009 08:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

...and i found a mercedes in the woods with the perfect lambo latches. so ill get those off tomorrow.....


Oh, no big deal. You just found a Mercedes in the middle of the woods?
Where are these woods at? Haha.


proff (fiero128@gmail.com) MSG #89, 08-25-2009 09:31 PM
      I know this might be a stupid question but I have to ask
What happens if you need to remove the Gas tank for any reason?


 
quote
Originally posted by Dash:

really diggin your work dude
but dont you think that x-brace on the bottom might be a little troublesome come time to change the fuel pump?




mid engine monsters (midenginemonsters@live.com) MSG #90, 08-26-2009 05:47 PM
      the skeleton is looking awesome ,it should give the body a strong feel,if i were wearing a hat it would be off to you right now sir.
you are kicking ass dog


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #91, 08-27-2009 09:41 PM
      thanks guys im glad your enjoying the build....... first the gas tank can come out the braces are removable under the tank...... next, i just got done fighting the skeleton pieces back into the car.... very tight fit..i put a thin foam strip on all the metal that is touching the kit to keep a tiny gap between them .. now i will connect all four pieces together, then glass them in............. yeah!!!!!!!!! almost time to mount..

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #92, 08-29-2009 09:29 PM
      ok just got all the subframe connectors done, all the front done and all the rear done... everything is connected..... its freakin solid.... ill get some pics tomoorow

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #93, 08-30-2009 10:00 AM
      Wow! Is this a lightweight sportscar you're building, or an armored personnel carrier?...JJ. Nice metal work.

[This message has been edited by Amida (edited 08-30-2009).]

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #94, 08-30-2009 03:24 PM
      lol well i was waiting for someone to ask that or say something about the wieght... its actually very light. put it this way every bit of the metal im putting on is lighter then one firero door. so im not adding much wieght at all. i carried all 4 pieces or frameing out to the driveway all together at one time..... and it was no heavier then maybe 1 wheel. so its very light.. and its only like 18 guage metal

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #95, 09-01-2009 07:13 PM
      ok got the body flipped over.... which was very hard to do.... glassing the metal to the kit..... i sprayed expandable foam in all the gaps and holes so its solid.
















Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #96, 09-01-2009 08:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

lol well i was waiting for someone to ask that or say something about the wieght... its actually very light. put it this way every bit of the metal im putting on is lighter then one firero door. so im not adding much wieght at all. i carried all 4 pieces or frameing out to the driveway all together at one time..... and it was no heavier then maybe 1 wheel. so its very light.. and its only like 18 guage metal


That's what I was thinking. It looks like a lot of metal, but it can't be overweighing the car that much at all.

This is an exciting build and I like it because you're doing a lot of things right. It's going to be amazing when you finish it that's for sure.


fieroguru MSG #97, 09-01-2009 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

lol well i was waiting for someone to ask that or say something about the wieght...
.. and its only like 18 guage metal


It is fairly easy to calculate the weight based on the weight/ft from the steel manual (I use Ryrsons - sp??) then you would know (+ a couple lbs of welding wire).



HIOSILVER! (drkmn_00@yahoo.com) MSG #98, 09-02-2009 03:04 AM
      I Cant believe I am the first to say it.

I think your alignment is slightly off.
LOL.
Nice work.

 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

ok i got the rear all mocked up and pulled the frames out to get welded and grinded down... then i will epoxy the frames in the car weld the 4 frames together with some braces and 1 1/2 tubing that goes under the door jam. so it will be one large solid subframe... and then fiberglass the frame to the body. .. here are a few pics of the frames you can kinda get an idea of where im coming from..... also the batwings i just got done with... i framed it up and designed a hinge so they will actually be functional.....







aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #99, 09-02-2009 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HIOSILVER!:

I Cant believe I am the first to say it.

I think your alignment is slightly off.
LOL.
Nice work.



No, that's just what the cool kids are doing these days:

Ha.


KVCFIERO MSG #100, 09-02-2009 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aeffertz:


No, that's just what the cool kids are doing these days:

Ha.

WoW a air bagged rabbit sweet


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #101, 09-04-2009 10:08 PM
      thats a sick lil bunny........ but i got all the fiberglass on the rear done ill take some pics tomorrow... now im welding up the windshield frame... pics comin soon.. im calculating metal wieght. and im somewhere close to 250 lbs for all the metal i added thats bought the wieght of the stock doors. huh?

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #102, 09-07-2009 08:14 AM
      yes good luck fast...... ill post some pics of a step by step way to do the stretch the best way................. but i finally got all the glassins done, all i gotta do is finish the wimdshield frame and im ready to mount. pics later today

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #103, 09-07-2009 10:21 AM
     

impressive job with the framing !


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #104, 09-09-2009 08:24 PM
      yeahhhhh window frame is all welded up and glassed in.... now its time for squaring up and mounting........ pics friday

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #105, 09-26-2009 02:54 PM
      ok i got the entire kit mounted, all brackets, everything.... i got the hood done, and the latch is just a normal latch off a utility tool box. works very well. i had to straighten the kit, the area behind your head was crook-ed, so i straightened it up but that made the decklid and batwings not line up.... so i gotta fiberglass them. i also got the decklid hinges welded up. here is a diagram of where i put metal for the skeleton, ill get some pics tomorrow. i also undercoated the entire underside of the kit, to protect the metal, make it look pretty, and to quiet down road noise...


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #106, 09-26-2009 02:56 PM
      black is 3/4 tubing and grey is 1 1/2 tubing

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #107, 09-26-2009 03:45 PM
     

Merc,

Did you talk to MM on the kitcar forum about getting a set of his working bat wings ?


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #108, 09-26-2009 11:17 PM
      i already made my batwings work,,, its a lil different then MM. but the hinge was inspired by his work...

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #109, 10-01-2009 08:55 PM
      heres the hinges i used.... older jetta



hood attached



bracing to hold the body















body now mounted




hood latch done







now here is my trouble area.... the kit was molded not square, so when i mounted the body the upper rear portion was off... causing the deck lid to no line up.... instead of reworking the decklid, this is what i had to do..












heres before




heres after




glassed in the metal for the decklid



my merc latch ill be using, i made a plate to bolt to it to help with mounting strength




my wheels im using... decided to go with 19 giovannas bc i got them from a guy hard on cash for $300!!!!!!!!???????:::::"""""""""



skin wiped the fender to test the body



i glassed up the blown airbag off the GP steering wheel and put a bull badge on..ill paint it the same color as the car... im deciding if i should leave it or glass onto it to make the bull look kinda 3d in the airbag, you know so its all kinda flush looking






merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #110, 10-01-2009 09:05 PM
      i also undercoated everything under the body..... everything.. i undercoated all the underside of the kit, and all the metal, to kinda hide some of the ugly welds..... now i need to trim all the metal around the hinges, latches, lids, everywhere...get a few more pics soon. also the after pic was messed up here is the after



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #111, 10-02-2009 09:04 PM
      ok big problem.... i put the wheels on the car to move it and my damn rear wheel fell off.... the hub seperated..... do i have to have the axle in to hold it together or is my hub just shi**y... now i need another asap

fieroguru MSG #112, 10-03-2009 07:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

ok big problem.... i put the wheels on the car to move it and my damn rear wheel fell off.... the hub seperated..... do i have to have the axle in to hold it together or is my hub just shi**y... now i need another asap


Yes, the rear wheel bearings are pressed together and need the axle shaft installed to keep them together. You should not roll the car much w/o something to hold the bearings together.


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #113, 10-04-2009 09:16 PM
      body work, body work, body work

pavo_roddy MSG #114, 10-06-2009 08:53 PM
      HI all

It's nice to see more kitcar guys here, the ingenuity you all have is awesome!! Over at madmechanics.com there is a pic of your/someone's car with a radiator on the front passenger side, this your ride or is it something your going after? If your doing this, can you do a good write up with this aspect? Details would be nice, .....

Ok, i'm feeling lazy about reading this thread, ..... Have you reported yet what engine you are going to use?

Oh, and your a bastage! hahahaha, lol..... Even though its far off, I was hoping to do the first front corner rads on a fiero.. lol....

Great thread! Is there a top for this kit?



merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #115, 10-11-2009 08:30 PM
      ok well today ive been at battle with the batwings....... because of how i did the frame on mine and how i did my hinge, it would open and shift inward pushing the wing into the decklid...... so i spent 3 hours trying every kind of hinge i had.. cutting welding nothing worked...... so as i was about to downshift to defeat, i noticed a hinge inside our cabinet.... i pulled it off and went outside and tried it.. that was followed by me yelling at my wife to suit up and get in the car... were heading to lowes.... i found a 3 axis butterfly hinge very wierd... but i removed the spring out of it.... and it would open up and out at the same time.... so i bought 4 of them... welded them up and presto.. it worked flawlessly.... ill get some pics tomorrow....

N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #116, 10-11-2009 09:10 PM
      I love it. Definitely keep the pics rolling dude.

mid engine monsters (midenginemonsters@live.com) MSG #117, 10-11-2009 09:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by N3M3S1S:

I love it. Definitely keep the pics rolling dude.


yeah,what he said...awesome


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #118, 10-12-2009 07:48 PM
      here are the pics of the batwings....... i also made a template of my tailight... and made a metal bucket to hold the sonota taillight guts...... this allows me to mount the light so it is removable


















and the taillights








merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #119, 10-17-2009 09:17 PM
      ok tomorrow im gonna clean up all the boogered welds, paint all the metal and sand down the fiberglass repair areas........ try to clean it up.... i also have to cut the batwing off the metal where i goo-ed it together so i can level it and glass it to the batwing frame...... finally picked up another paint gun.... i forgot there was some epoxy paint sitting in them so i had to trash them.... but i picked up another and ill hopefully spray my first coat of primer on this weekend so i can start my body work

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #120, 10-17-2009 09:31 PM
      ok i just got back from picking up my motor.... what a deal!!!!!!! i found an 06 grand prix supercharged 3800 GEN V get this... $202.50... beautiful motor, clean....... sweet... and its a GEN V. ill get a pic or 2 tomorrow... i wont drop it in till body work is done....

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #121, 10-20-2009 04:52 PM
      here are some pics of it kinda back together.. i got bored so i black primered some spots just for the hell of it... and i mounted a door. its not mounted just there...


















exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #122, 10-20-2009 06:06 PM
     


niiiiice !


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #123, 10-21-2009 12:10 AM
      Are you any good at fiberglass? I'll pay for that front bumper if you can make a copy of it.



Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #124, 10-21-2009 11:25 AM
     

I've really enjoyed reading this thread and keeping up with this build. I think that builds like these are important to the Fiero community because honestly a good deal of Fiero owners at one point either before owning a Fiero or after they bought one considered a replica build. It's important that indepth builds such as yours be documented because I believe that there is quite a great amount of people out there that just don't understand the amount of work that goes into building these replicas. Sometimes, as you are showing, it's almost like building a vehicle from scratch. I think that some people out there simply think that you can buy a Fiero, throw a body on it, paint it, do some little work, and then drive. It's not that simple. You along with other guys such as DeLorean00's Ferrari build have my upmost respect among Fiero owners simply because not only do people like you have the drive to actually do the work but pay the time (and money) to actually see the build through.

Keep up the great work.


Klasse_GT (fiero87@telia.com) MSG #125, 10-21-2009 04:24 PM
      I like the wheels ;-)

/Klasse


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #126, 10-22-2009 08:42 PM
      lamborghini car jacking....







thanks everyone for the support.... and yes these cars do take alot of work..... not only do i see that now but alot of people will pay to have the stretch done, to have the body mounted, to have the major components done..... im on such a tight budget, i have to do every little thing myself....... its a whole lot harder then it sounds, but my whole reason for doing this is bc when i wanted to build a replica i couldnt find one single build diary that had any info of the car prior the body being totally done minus body work for paint..... so i decided to fix that.... by showing every step of every part of my build..... so when someone wants to build a car of their dreams... they can look at this diary and have more info then yahoo. its not the best build, or the most accurate... but im 23 and its my very first build like this..... but its better then nothing....... thanks again for everyone supporting the build


merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #127, 10-22-2009 09:58 PM
     

Klasse_GT (fiero87@telia.com) MSG #128, 10-23-2009 02:49 PM
      Keep up the good work!
Looking great so far !

/Klasse


mid engine monsters (midenginemonsters@live.com) MSG #129, 11-27-2009 07:01 PM
     

timcha (jtchambers37@yahoo.com) MSG #130, 12-07-2009 09:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merciero:

ok i just got back from picking up my motor.... what a deal!!!!!!! i found an 06 grand prix supercharged 3800 GEN V get this... $202.50... beautiful motor, clean....... sweet... and its a GEN V. ill get a pic or 2 tomorrow... i wont drop it in till body work is done....

I really hate you now!
No.........really!!
Ok........I admit it.....I'm just jealous. You are da man.



Klasse_GT (fiero87@telia.com) MSG #131, 12-27-2009 03:37 PM
      Bump



/Klasse


ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #132, 01-11-2010 02:17 PM
     

Hope he's good at sports; so he can get a scholarship. Because you’re blowing his college fund


07Hoffmannd (07hoffmannd@sbcglobal.net) MSG #133, 01-17-2010 07:14 AM
      $200 for a an 06' !!!!!!! youve gotta be kiddin me. my 98 sc cost me $650, and thats without a transmission. i hate you now too and your only 23!!! i mean im only 20 but still. looks like ive got a lot to work up to in 3 years. oooor, i could just go back to sleep. and let people like you do the work. yep, thats a way better idea

nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #134, 02-03-2010 10:39 PM
      Nice work on the car!!!! I have also been looking at rims, and had seen other rims somewhere in a link in this thread that was suggested by another member here . Maybe it was Dash, the rims looked like diablo or murcialago style, I also think i remember the kitcar being yellow, not sue Can you point me out to the link, or who ever remembers the rims i am searching for, THANKS GUYS!!!


nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #135, 02-22-2010 10:34 PM
      ANYBODY???????

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #136, 02-28-2010 09:44 AM
      wow been a while since i was on....... on the wheels im not sure on here but.. if you want some deelow rims, lemme know. i can get you a set or piont u in the right direction. but i had to take a hault on the project for a lil. we're buying a house, and i get to finally build my dream garage so once its done ill jump back on it.

Logan (dyno1385@aol.com) MSG #137, 02-28-2010 04:26 PM
      well When your done with your garage post a pic. of the lambo in it!!



Pete Matos MSG #138, 03-12-2010 05:04 PM
      Got to meet this fellow today..... I went to look at a used fiero for sale and the guy that was selling it told me about a guy in the area that is doing a murcielago replica out of a fiero. SO I had to see it!! I drove over there today and talked with him for about an hour. The kit looks real nice and he did a lot of structural welding on the frame. It was kinda raining out so I was not able to really have a good look at it. NIce to know someone else into the fiero/ custom car hobby is very close by. I think that it is gonna be a real nice car at some point but it still needs a lot of work to get there. I always thought about doing something like this but after looking and talking with him now I am not so sure... This would have to be one of those once in a lifetime things that you do over a number of years in order to do it right. That is unless you are financially independent( I AM NOT) I would love to own one of these kits tho because in person it is really impressive body.... nice to meet ya man and I look forward to riding in that badboy with you when you get it finished... peace

Pete


nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #139, 03-15-2010 10:00 PM
      Hey merciero, so I finally found the style of rim i am looking for, Except the particular manufacturer only makes 15" and 16". Now that i have a photo showing exactly what i had seen somewhere in this post maybe you or someone will recognize it and help me get a name, thanks and keep up the good work!

[This message has been edited by nightonfire (edited 03-15-2010).]

Innyen (innyen19d@yahoo.com) MSG #140, 04-12-2010 01:11 AM
      <<<NIce to know someone else into the fiero/ custom car hobby is very close by>>> Make it 3 of us then, lol I'm 30 mins from Murc and like 40 mins from Pete. haha Will be starting my venture with my '86 GT Soon.

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #141, 10-10-2010 08:58 PM
      well im back on the build after a long break. i just got one of the doors done. pics come soon. i used the doors of a 92 saturn sc1. i cut the doors all to pieces and left only the main metal guts/sheet the window motor a tracks. and im glassing it to my inner door fiberglass piece

Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #142, 10-11-2010 11:47 AM
      Very nice work. I'll be looking for you cruising around town. No one can miss a car like that.

If you find another 3800 SC locally for $200 let me know....


elitopr MSG #143, 10-22-2010 08:49 PM
      Daaaaaammmmmmmm look great ice replica!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)


Odin MSG #144, 10-28-2010 03:48 PM
      nice build, any new pics?

psychosurfer MSG #145, 10-28-2010 08:32 PM
      Very interested in an update!

Black Pegasus (fred@lavigne.us) MSG #146, 11-12-2010 08:17 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by psychosurfer:

Very interested in an update!


That makes 2 of us!

Fred



ArbinShire MSG #147, 12-08-2010 01:03 AM
      I wonder what the ratio of purchased to completed kit-cars is. I would tend to believe the percentage of completed is very, very low...

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #148, 12-08-2010 04:11 PM
      I've heard 3% are finished and I'm not sure if that includes murcielagos which are about as difficult as you can get. Merciero has gone his own way with his build which makes it both more interesting and more difficult. It has been my experience that these builds can easily get put on the back burner as lifes issues come up. They are an optional project after all. No one NEEDS one. They also always cost more than anticipated. Many people start out thinking $2000 fiero, $6000 body kit, wow $8000 lambo. I will have over $55,000 in mine by the time that Joe finishes my turbo ls4 install. Merciero is doing a great job. I hope that he can be one of those who makes it to the finish.

merciero (kelly21am@charter.net) MSG #149, 01-19-2011 08:12 PM
      thank you dratts. and everyone else. well i actually am in the completed percentile. do to the reason of my long break on my car. is bc i learned alot on my build, but also saw areas that i wasnt happy with. i took a break on my car bc i ended up becoming a builder. my shop Exotic Evolutions now specialize in building kitcars. i have done about 3 partial builds 1 rolling chassis, 2 basic chassis, and 2 completed turn keys. partials were diablos or murcies, one completed was a 360 ferrari and a g28 murcie coupe. im not too stoked about finishing my g24 due to it being a g24. after seeing the differences of a 28L. but my next build will be a rev and im working on a cnc plug of a one off supercar. but right now things are very slow in the kitcar half of the shop. i only have a few small suspension part orders, a porsche gt that im only stretching the chassis and mounting the body. then i also have a girls g24 that im just creeping the work on. bc of money and ambition to work on most of it herself. but since my experienced with kits now. i have ripped my car apart and redone almost all of it. i have so many ideas of new things i wanna try, so my g24 will be the guinea pig. dratts what are you building? its been in the teens temp wise so ill get a few pics once its a warm day and the cars not under snow. some of the changes are; the decklids hinges were ripped off and replaced with super strong suicide door hinges. the batwing hinges were scrapped and replaced with an asian 2 axis lift hinge. the small step gear box for opening the batwings were replaced with linear actuators. the doors were ripped apart and rebuilt stronger with a surface mount type hinge. redoing the headlights with g28. something i do with every g24 to come through the shop. the tailights i build. i am starting on mine that will look like lp640 lights. i am very excited to share my new ideas and hope everyone enjoys watching my personal build

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #150, 01-20-2011 01:09 AM
      Pics

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qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #151, 02-17-2012 10:03 PM
      bump for an update.....

Bloozberry MSG #152, 02-21-2012 10:53 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by merciero:

well i actually am in the completed percentile... i am very excited to share my new ideas and hope everyone enjoys watching my personal build


We would love to watch... except words don't make much to look at. It's been 28 months since your last pics.



psychosurfer MSG #153, 02-22-2012 06:33 PM
      Been over a year since any update... Guess our personal projects often take the back seat to customer cars. I'd be interested in seeing some of those as well.