Project XTC - The Rehabilitation!
Topic started by: katatak, Date: 03-14-2009 05:57 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000102.html


katatak MSG #1, 03-14-2009 05:57 PM
      Hey all,

Well it looks like it's time to start a build (er rebuild) thread for the XTC. We have a lot of projects planned for the car and we have already started on a few. First thing we had to do was install a new front motor mount and a new dog bone.



Next was the headlight(s) motor rebuild.


And today, we did some canser surgery and a battery relocation. We got a lot done but still have more to finish it up.
Here's the Battery tray:

And here's what we found below it:

We trimmed out all the rusted metal:



I wire brushed and ground and cleaned then sprayed some Rustoleum on there until I can cut a patch panel out of a parts car and reinstall.
We moved the battery to the bottom of the trunk. I will pull some better carpet from the parts car then resinstall it. After the carpet is in we will build a panel that covers the lower part of the trunk/battery and he can store some tools and things in there.


Next weekend we are going to start installing power windows, locks and mirrors along with new door glass and dew wipes.

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #2, 03-14-2009 06:43 PM
      Hey Pat. PM sent.

hobodude34 (somebeach0832@aol.com) MSG #3, 03-14-2009 07:28 PM
      Glad to see this car with a great home!!!



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #4, 03-14-2009 07:46 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by hobodude34:

Glad to see this car with a great home!!!



So, what are you saying Corey? It had a bad one before?
You are getting a PM about our arrangement here in a few. It's looking good so far.,



ALLTRBO MSG #5, 03-14-2009 08:09 PM
      Sweet! I was hoping I'd see a thread on this. I'll be following along, good luck with it.

hobodude34 (somebeach0832@aol.com) MSG #6, 03-14-2009 08:35 PM
      yes yes very bad home... thats where all the cancer came from... hehe... kidding... it had a great home... just didnt get messed with much... still a neatO car!

katatak MSG #7, 03-14-2009 08:49 PM
      My son is so excited about this car it's hard to keep him out of it. He ran the battery down last night just sitting in it listening to the stereo. It had a good home at Phil's - Phil just had no time to do the things to it needed from the PO. It will be great to go through all the little upgrades and fixes with my son as he is truly learning the way of the Fiero. I highly recommend this father son bonding experience to everyone. I really like it cause I get to sit in the chair and drink beer and watch him get dirty...... I've been waiting for this for a long time! Plus I promised Phil he could come drive it whenever he felt the need.....

Got to looking at it a little closer this evening - planning the Power Window/lock/mirror upgrade. I was thinking that I would have to change the guts out from the donor doors to the XTC doors but I think I can just swap the doors. There is a little fab required for the door hinges but I think it would be easier / quicker than swapping the guts? I'll know for sure by next Saturday when we start dismantling.


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #8, 03-14-2009 09:22 PM
      When I get back to my Camper, I'll get you the PO's email. He can give you any info you need on the door mods. I'd say swap them whole if the panels come off easily. I know the door handle has to be moved out away from the stock location(for obvious reasons)

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #9, 03-14-2009 10:19 PM
      BTW, Pat, I'll be back home next Thursday night and heading out sometime Saturday. If you wanna raid my stash before I leave, you are welcome to it. Or you can wait for my triumphant return.


katatak MSG #10, 03-14-2009 11:08 PM
      Better wait for your return - you may have more goodies when you come back......lol wink wink......

katatak MSG #11, 03-18-2009 07:13 PM
      Mid week update!

Well after much debate, searching, 50 plus phone calls, comparing, etc, etc. I have made a decision on the dilema of purchasing custom made wheels or using spacers on the XTC. Many folks on PFF were dead set against using spacers so I started seaching for custom made wheels with the right backspace and width to get the right look for the car. I did manage to find a wheel manufacturer that was reasonable and would build the wheel any way I wanted. The down fall is that these are steel wheels used mainly in circle track / Nascar applications. However, they would custom design the wheel center any way I could dream up. I was looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 150.00 per wheel plus shipping. So 700.00 plus just for wheels went beyond my budget.

I started looking at wheel spacers. I found a manufacturer that makes special wheel spacers for off road racing and drag racing applications. The guy that makes them gave me some phone numbers to several of his customers and I made several phone calls talking to people that use these. Not one bad report from anyone. There is a certain design and specific instructions for installation that are critical to the life of these spacers and everyone I talked to said that if you don't follow the instructions and use the wrong design, I would have problems. So I decided to get these spacers. I had to take a lot of measurements of the hubs and wheels and send them wth pics. A week later I had a custom made set of spacers for the XTC. We went with 2" wide in the back and 1.5" wide in the front. Here's some pics. Keep n mind that we will be going to a 245 tire in the back and maybe a 215 n the front. Right now they are 225 in the back and 205 in the front. The boy wants to keep the stock lace wheels and I do have a set in gold ones that we may try out. I think the gold would look good but he wants to keep the all black theme going.

What I learned is this: As for design of the spacers there are a vast majority being sold that are simply lug centric from the spacer to the hub and lug centric from the wheel to the spacer. Everyone I talked to said "do not use these". Others are hub centric from the spacer to the hub and lug centric from the wheel to the spacer. I was warned to stay away from these type too. The kind I am using are hub centric from the spacer to the hub and hub centric from the wheel to the spacer. Most companies that sell these will only build them to order as there is more machine work to do versus the standard type you can get off ebay. Also they could not emphasize enough that you must use proper torque and sequence both on the spacer to hub and wheel to spacer. Most important is that each lug have the same torque as all the rest. One other important thing to look for is that the cheaper ones recess the pocket for the lug and use a standard length lug. The ones I bought do not have a pocket machined for the lug and use a longer lug. The back face of the lug is flush with the back side of the spacer versus recessed. Recessing the lug is the number one cause for the lug's to break.

XTC before spacers:

And after:







I love being able to sit back and watch my son do all the work!


OK - let the flaming begin!


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #12, 03-18-2009 07:45 PM
      groovy. I want my car back.



katatak MSG #13, 03-18-2009 09:43 PM
      Yeah sure.....Wait another month or 2 so I can get the power windows,locks and mirrors installed. I checked out installing the stock power mirrors like we were talking about. Looks like it will work great. I will have to fab a backing plate for strength. Still not sure if the stock style Fiero mirror goes well with the XTC body. I'll have to look at it a littl more before I go drilling holes.

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #14, 03-18-2009 10:09 PM
      I've been looking at a few sets of mirrors that might match the theme. BMW and volvo seem to look ok if you can get them cheap enough.
I'll wait til the V-8 is running good before I pick it up. Sound good?

I found the remote for the alarm and the rest of the wood trim surround for the shifter if you need them. I'll add them to the parts list I'm gathering for you. Hope you are ready to rebuild some headlight motors!


Tony Kania MSG #15, 03-18-2009 10:22 PM
      Way better look with the spacers. I was set against them, but I can't argue with a guy that does his homework. I also see that you are becoming quite the pro at headlight motors.



katatak MSG #16, 03-18-2009 10:29 PM
      I don't know why but it seems like I have done a bunch of headlight motors recently. I found some "brushes" the other day at a hobby store that I think wll be a good fix for the Gen 1 switch's. Going to put one together this weekend and see how it works.

pavo_roddy MSG #17, 03-18-2009 10:51 PM
      HI all

Great car, 1 question, do you bottom the nose out at all?



katatak MSG #18, 03-19-2009 03:30 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by pavo_roddy:

HI all

Great car, 1 question, do you bottom the nose out at all?



Well that was one of the problems I thought we would have. The 86 SE and the 88 Formula will scrape the lower valance when backing out of the driveway but the XTC barley clears the same curb. We also were worried that it would not clear the enormous speed bumps in the high school parking lot. First thing we did was drive it down to the high school and run it over the speed bumps - if we are carefull, it clears no problem. It looks low but I think it is an optical illusion due to the length. Probably will have to be carefull going in and out of parking lots form the road if the "dip" is long or deep. Have to take em at an angle.

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #19, 03-19-2009 07:53 PM
      Hey Pat....the wheel wells look soooo much better now that they're filled up.

katatak MSG #20, 03-19-2009 08:01 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Hey Pat....the wheel wells look soooo much better now that they're filled up.



Hey Dan, I was not real crazy about this car but my boy had to have it. Now that the wheels look right, I am not sure he is going to get it. I can't believe the difference.


katatak MSG #21, 03-19-2009 08:10 PM
      Another update:

While we were excited about getting the spacers on and they way the car looked, I did find some issues with the front end that we are going to have to address before we drive it much. The righ inner tie rod is pretty sloppy and the ball joints are ready for replacement. I ordered the parts today. Also got a set of KYB struts and shocks to install. I'll probably end up doing all the rear suspension too. And that leads to brakes, brake lines, etc. etc. Guess I'll get to learn all about 88's now...... And when it's all done, it won't be mine to drive. Something is not right here.


FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #22, 03-19-2009 08:24 PM
      Looking great! The 88 suspension/brakes aren't any harder than the earlier models. Keep up the good work!



Tony Kania MSG #23, 03-19-2009 08:41 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FieroMaster88:

Looking great! The 88 suspension/brakes aren't any harder than the earlier models. Keep up the good work!



Not harder, but more money.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #24, 03-19-2009 09:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

... And when it's all done, it won't be mine to drive. Something is not right here.


Funny how that usually works out, isn't it?


ferrobi MSG #25, 03-20-2009 12:38 AM
      Looking good - nice info on spacers



katatak MSG #26, 03-20-2009 02:36 PM
      Thanks everyone for the positive feedback.

Got a bid on getting it painted today - going to stay with the black with some silver/charcoal accents (maybe). I have had a few cars done by this guy and he does very good work - he is slow - but he is good. He gave me a quote of 900.00. There are a few little cracks to fix and knowing how he works, he will go through the car and make sure everything is aligned right, etc. He uses a basecoat clear coat system. He does all the body and paint work for the Sheriffs office here in El Paso. What do you guys think - is 900.00 a good price. Included in that is any striping, accents, etc.

Pat


katatak MSG #27, 03-20-2009 02:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:


Not harder, but more money.


You got that right. Looks like 15 to 20% more so far.

Thanks for the reply's


katatak MSG #28, 03-29-2009 05:32 PM
      Weekend update!

Today we decided it was time for an oil change and Trans service. Pulled the trans pan and much to my surprize, it was pretty clean. Installed a new filter and beat the dent out of the pan.


I can not believe how much oil is! It's ridiculous..... All this cost me 47.00.

While I had it running and was checking trans level, I bumped the connector that attaches to the MAP sensor and the car nearly died. I started messing with it and I could not believe how much it would affect the way it ran. Must have been shorting out. Anyway, here's what I found. Somebody spliced this connector in. Looks like a pro job to me! The harness has a black w orange stripe, a green and a gray wire. The plg has a black w/ orange stripe, green and a light green wire. Does not look like this is a Fiero plug but the insulation is coming off of them and the whole thing was held together with slimy electrical tape.


Got to see if I can dig up a good plug now! Next week - rebuild the front end and install ne struts and shocks.

Pat

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KurtAKX MSG #29, 03-29-2009 08:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

While I had it running and was checking trans level, I bumped the connector that attaches to the EGR control and the car nearly died. I started messing with it and I could not believe how much it would affect the way it ran. Must have been shorty out and oepning the EGR at an idle? Anyway, here's what I found. Somebody spliced this connector in. Looks like a pro job to me! The harness has a black w orange stripe, a green and a gray wire. The plg has a black w/ orange stripe, green and a light green wire. Does not look like this is a Fiero plug but the insulation is coming off of them and the whole thing was held together with slimy electrical tape.


Got to see if I can dig up a good plug now! Next week - rebuild the front end and install ne struts and shocks.

Pat



Dude, that's not EGR; its a MAP connector. It's importance can't be overestimated.

This is not to mention that shorting out the +5V line from the ECM probably temporarily knocks out signal from all the other sensor that use it such as the TPS.


katatak MSG #30, 03-29-2009 11:35 PM
      Hey Kurt,

I posted a little blurb about this over in the tech section and was promptly corrected by buddycraigg that it was the MAP. I forgot to come back here and edit my post. I did get it fixed though. I used heat shrink to cover the bare wires then soldered the ends together with more heat shirnk. It will get me by until I can find a new plug. I am electrically challenged and I just assumed that it was the control for the EGR. Thanks for the heads up - I will go edit and correct.

Pat


katatak MSG #31, 04-05-2009 04:47 PM
      Weekend update:

Was time to tear the front suspension apart. I did the right side and the boy did the left. Now we have to do a lot of clean up, burn out the old bushings, grind off the old ball joints, paint and reassemble.

Here's the right side coming apart:



Had to torch the shock off - the only thing that was too rusted to remove with a wrench:


Took me all of 45 minutes........

And the left side:





Took him 1.5 hours to get this far - now I have to finish it. Teenagers just do not have a great attention span.

I also have to remove the inner tierods from the rack. Should have it ready for reassembly tonight.

Pat


katatak MSG #32, 04-06-2009 05:02 PM
      Just a bump and a question!

Trying to figure out how to get the passenger side plastic bushing out of the end of the rack - without a lot of cursing and knucle busting. Is there a special tool I should be looking for? TIA

Pat

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Daredevil05 MSG #33, 04-06-2009 05:32 PM
      Show us a pic of what you're talking about, I can't picture it. The car is coming along nice, wish it was mine. Just watch out on that light fixture under the fender. I had one under the hood on my Cuda and I decided to pull the heater core hose and got some coolant on the bulb. That thing blow and I couldn't see for about 30 seconds. We all laughed about later on during that day. I now use one of those light fixture incased in plastic to prevent that again.

katatak MSG #34, 04-06-2009 07:37 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Daredevil05:

Show us a pic of what you're talking about, I can't picture it. The car is coming along nice, wish it was mine. Just watch out on that light fixture under the fender. I had one under the hood on my Cuda and I decided to pull the heater core hose and got some coolant on the bulb. That thing blow and I couldn't see for about 30 seconds. We all laughed about later on during that day. I now use one of those light fixture incased in plastic to prevent that again.


Thanks for the heads up on the light - it has one of those rough service bulbs but I'd bet if you hit it with any type of fluid it would blow. Sorry for no pic.....here it is! The plastic bushing has three "tabs" inside the rack tube. I can get them all squeazed in but can't get the bushing to pull out - it will spin but won't come out. I ordered the replacement bushing from RD. Hoping he has some instruction on removing the old bushing. I really wanted to get it out before the new parts get here - to install RD's new bushing, I have to polish all the rust off of the rack shaft. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Pat





katatak MSG #35, 04-07-2009 12:18 AM
      The UPS Ferry paid me a visit today!



Now I gotta go to work!


katatak MSG #36, 04-10-2009 06:08 PM
      Friday Update!

Got all the bushings out of the A Arms last night - started drilling them out but broke 3 bits and a knuckle or two so I resorted to burning them out. What a freakin PITA and mess. Took longer to clean up the mess then it did to get em out. Also knocked out the lower ball joints.

Today we ground off the rivets for the upper ball joints and got them off. Was a little worried how I was going to get the new lower ball joints back in. I do not have the tools to do it. Dodgerunner gave me a swift kick in the buttocks and reminded me that I could probably get a loaner tool from somewhere. I went to AZ and they had one. So I got the lower ball joints pressed in and the upper ball joints installed along with the new poly bushings.

I was reading some threads on the front poly bushings and there seems to be some debate over whether or not the thrust bushing should be trimmed, wedged in or left out entirely. I checked these out - held them up in place on the car and do not see where I have to trim them or where I would have to force/wedge them in - it is tight but I could pretty much push the a arm into place. Maybe they are slightly different on pre 88's?

So anyway, I am ready to start the reassembly process. I also got the new rack bushing and zero lash sway bar links from RD today. I'll probably get that taken care of before I stick the suspension back together. RD's instructions say that I can do it in car but I am kickng around the idea of taking the rack out so I can work on it on the bench. That's it for now - back to the garage!

Way easy when you have the right tools!

Ball Joint in - now for the Poly.

Tada!

One set done!

And the other!





Tony Kania MSG #37, 04-10-2009 09:58 PM
      Nice! You are going to be so happy when you finally get all of those fresh parts on her. Is your son still helping, or are you finishing the front end yourself? He, he, he.

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #38, 04-10-2009 10:16 PM
      Pat ...as always, you do good work

katatak MSG #39, 04-10-2009 10:31 PM
      Tony - I am on my own.....Guess I'll keep this one for myself (don't tell anyone but that was my original evil plan).

Dan - Thanks! Did you get my PM about the 84 Vette on craigslist?

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #40, 04-10-2009 10:47 PM
      No....didn't get the PM Was it this one?

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.../cto/1116208467.html

Doesn't look too bad. The expensive stuff is already done. But....alas....we're having new windows put in the house ($2600) this week, plus I had to fork over $547 to Uncle Sam by April 15th....so not buying anything for a couple of months.

You could always pick it up....it's emissions exempt as of this year....(hint hint)....


katatak MSG #41, 04-10-2009 10:50 PM
      Nope it was not that one - I'll see if I can dig it up again.

Sweet page 2 ownage!

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katatak MSG #42, 04-10-2009 10:55 PM
      I just sent it to you again - must have messed the earlier one up.

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.../cto/1115469710.html


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #43, 04-10-2009 10:57 PM
      Oh yeah....I'd seen that one....I'm not crazy about the body mods, but the paint looks good. A nasty crate motor, and it could be loads of fun.

katatak MSG #44, 04-10-2009 11:01 PM
      Wondering what you think of the price? I'm looking for one - if I can find the right one for the right price.

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #45, 04-10-2009 11:20 PM
      C4's are abundant and cheap....this one is pricey for an 84, unless it's absolutely pristine.

Condition is everything on a C4, especially the interior. Interior parts are very expensive. The rest of the car is run of the mill GM....I know the early C4's inside and out. I've had the whole suspension down on mine and rebuilt it with Poly...quite easy.

Here's what just slightly more money will buy you in the C4 world. It's a ways away, but there are similar ones closer.

http://forums.corvetteforum...9k-miles-7500-a.html

Take me with you if you look at one....I know where all the demons hide on these...

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katatak MSG #46, 04-11-2009 02:21 PM
      As soon as I get this XTC out of the garage - one of them is my next toy!

Now for a XTC update!

I got RD's new rack bushing on Friday - yes it was delivered on good Friday - I could not believe it! Anyway, I was going to attempt to change the bushing out with the rack in the car. After messing with it and reading RD's instructions, I decided to remove the rack - Another major PITA. I am very happy to report that I broke off 3 of the 4 rack bolts - "CRAP CRAP CRAP"! Now what do I do. I looked it over real good, I do not think I can get a drill in there to drill the broke bolts out. Did I say "CRAP"? I don't think removing the plastic trunk liner will help either.

I did get the rack out and managed to get all the rust and corrosion cleaned off the passenger side rack rod. I also spent a lot ot time cleaning the rust out of the inside of the housing. This is important as RD's bushing will not fit right unless it is cleaned out. The old plastic bushing was a PITA to get out too. I ended up splitting it so I could pull it out. After I was all done, there was no way I was going to do this in the car. I guess I had no choice but to remove it - just makes me sick that I broke 3 bolts off. I soaked them with PB and everything. I barely moved the bolts and snap! I am usually pretty easy going but this really set me off. It's a good thing the dog was not around or I would have kicked her - J/K......




More later - after I figure out how to get those broken bolts out!



katatak MSG #47, 04-11-2009 07:29 PM
      Saturday Afternoon Update!

I was not sure how I was going to get the broke rack bolts out. 2 of the 3 had about 1/4" of the bolt abouve the mount and one was flush. As I stood there sctratching my head, my boy said "just weld some nuts on there and take em out with a wrench". When did this kid grow a brain? He must be reading threads on PFF! So that's what I did. I welded on the nuts, applied a lot of heat and PB blaster and wigled them back and forth a little at a time. The first came out pretty easy, the second one gave me a fight. I had a hard time getting a good weld on the nut and I kept twisting the nut off the bolt. Finally got it. The last was a battle. It was broke flush and I did not want to weld the nut to the monut. Also was tough to get a good weld on the nut/bolt. Went through like 10 nuts - each time I would get the bolt to turn a little before the nut twisted off. After a lot of foul language, it came out. Another battle in the Fiero/XTC war has ended with man being the victor.


One on this side OUT!

Two on this side OUT! - The lower one was a real treat.


Done for the day!


katatak MSG #48, 04-12-2009 01:39 PM
      Sunday Morning!

Got up early and got to work on the front suspension. I have a complete set of KYB's but I have decided to save them for the Formula. I am just going to get some Gabrial's for the XTC for now. Taking a break for now - still got to install the new tie rods and RD's zero lash sway links.

Lower A Arm with new Poly - just slid right in - did not have to trim the thrust washers.

Left side A Arms complete.

Look who showed up to work on HIS car.

Working on the Right side.

After wrestling the coil spring.

A Arms complete on the right side.


More later!

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #49, 04-12-2009 01:41 PM
      I got an 88 "fixer upper" if you need some more training material.



katatak MSG #50, 04-12-2009 04:21 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Carver1:

I got an 88 "fixer upper" if you need some more training material.



Is it a clean one owner with low miles only driven on Sundays to go to Church? Do we need to find another 4.9 so we can do 2 at one time?



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #51, 04-12-2009 04:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Is it a clean one owner with low miles only driven on Sundays to go to Church? Do we need to find another 4.9 so we can do 2 at one time?


You sure we ain't brothers? It's almost like you can read my mind.
Looks like San Angelo is most likely like my next home for awhile. Might have to get something going.


RWDPLZ MSG #52, 04-12-2009 04:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

...just makes me sick that I broke 3 bolts off. I soaked them with PB and everything. I barely moved the bolts and snap! I am usually pretty easy going but this really set me off.


Sounds like working on my car



wolf63 MSG #53, 04-12-2009 04:56 PM
      yep, reminds me of the incident that cured me of throwing things when i get mad. I was working on the motor in my first car (a 66 mustang) the bolt snapped while I was really cranking on it so of course i busted my hand pretty good. i was instantly furious and threw the wrench...which bounced off the top of the motor and put a freakin dent in my hood fro the inside . so i'm standing there thinking to myself "so, the bolts still broken, you're still bleedin and NOW you have a dent in your hood...dumbass!" learned on the spot to walk away for a minute and chill-out...so far its been 30 years without any more air-born tools :-)

katatak MSG #54, 04-12-2009 05:13 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by wolf63:

yep, reminds me of the incident that cured me of throwing things when i get mad. I was working on the motor in my first car (a 66 mustang) the bolt snapped while I was really cranking on it so of course i busted my hand pretty good. i was instantly furious and threw the wrench...which bounced off the top of the motor and put a freakin dent in my hood fro the inside . so i'm standing there thinking to myself "so, the bolts still broken, you're still bleedin and NOW you have a dent in your hood...dumbass!" learned on the spot to walk away for a minute and chill-out...so far its been 30 years without any more air-born tools :-)


Kinda opposite for me Wolf, I been wrenching on cars for 30 years and this is the 1st time I really blew up! I think it's genetic. My Dad used to throw tools at me. I can't say that I did not deserve it most the time though. You are 110% correct - just walk away - good air in, bad air out.



katatak MSG #55, 04-12-2009 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


You sure we ain't brothers? It's almost like you can read my mind.
Looks like San Angelo is most likely like my next home for awhile. Might have to get something going.


San Angelo Huh? Way closer than Iowa!



katatak MSG #56, 04-13-2009 09:18 PM
      Monday Update:

Got the rest of the front end installed - well except the shocks - still waiting for them to show up. RD's sway bar links are awesome!

Left Side:

And the right Side:

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wolf63 MSG #57, 04-13-2009 10:56 PM
      ya mean the left side and the other left side? :-)

katatak MSG #58, 04-13-2009 11:14 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by wolf63:

ya mean the left side and the other left side? :-)


Haha....I just caught that - Good eye Wolf - I'll go fix it. Can't get away with nothin in here......

Fixed!

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katatak MSG #59, 04-15-2009 08:37 PM
      Tuesday!

Got the shocks installed and the brakes back together. I'm going to eye ball the alignment then take it down and get the front end aligned.




Tony Kania MSG #60, 04-15-2009 08:42 PM
      What kind of brakes are those? ^^^^^^^^^^

carbon MSG #61, 04-15-2009 09:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

What kind of brakes are those? ^^^^^^^^^^


Those would be 1988 Pontiac Fiero brakes...


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #62, 04-15-2009 09:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

What kind of brakes are those? ^^^^^^^^^^


They also have wheel spacers bolted to the rotors, if that is what looks different.


katatak MSG #63, 04-18-2009 09:51 PM
      Yes - 1988 and yes it does have spacers bolted on the hub. We took the seats out today and stripped the interior. We are adding the factory sub system and giving it a thorough cleaning. Should have it all back together tomorrow.

What's left?

Install new struts in the back - maybe new bushings and ball joints if needed then get it aligned. Next week or 2.

Rebuild the exhaust - the cat is partially plugged and coming apart. Maybe go with a flowmaster 40 series with 1 in and 2 out. Or I was thinking instead of one muffler tucked up in the normal spot, getting 2 resonator type short mufflers - one for each side (with the added length of the body, I can tuck one up inside on each side) and just fab a Y pipe where the stock muffler goes then dual it out from there. I'd like to get a better note from the duke's exhaust but I don't want it to sound like a ricer with a fart can! This will take a little thought. Anyone have a flowmaster on a Duke? Next week or 2. Once the exhaust is done we will get it inspected and registered. I don't think it would pass with the exhaust the way it is.

Next major project is installing the power windows, door locks and remote door poppers. Finaly got all the parts gathered up so it's time to tackle it.

New tires all around - maybe some different rims but I kinda like the stock lace wheels too. By using the spacers, I have a lot more options here.

New paint job. Probably go with the black or a dark charcoal color.

All before August 27th!

What's in store for the future?

New brakes - rotors, pads, etc. What's there is ok (has new pads) for now but they will need redone - next winter's project.

Decide what swap we are going to do next spring. Got to start collecting the parts now. No matter what we decide, I want it to be a reliable swap. We want to be ale to take it a few Fiero events so drivability and reliability will play a major part of our decision. I am leaning toward the 4.9 but I could be persuaded to go with a 3800 SC. I guess it depends on what motor comes along!

Stay tuned!


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #64, 04-18-2009 10:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I guess it depends on what motor comes along!

Stay tuned!


Don't get me started! I have lots of practice.....

http://desmoines.craigslist.../cto/1127454653.html
http://desmoines.craigslist.../cto/1111534640.html




katatak MSG #65, 04-18-2009 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


Don't get me started! I have lots of practice.....

http://desmoines.craigslist.../cto/1127454653.html
http://desmoines.craigslist.../cto/1111534640.html



I did not say that I wanted to get a motor today! Next thing I know you will be sending me pics of a motor in the back of your truck asking me where to deliver it. You are terrible........lol. But I will say that those prices beat the heck out what they would be down here. I have not found one for less than 1500.00 with high miles. No - Stop - I don't have any room right now. Quit it!


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #66, 04-18-2009 11:25 PM
      OK. I'll behave.

Not for sale.....(yet)


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #67, 04-19-2009 12:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Next thing I know you will be sending me pics of a motor in the back of your truck asking me where to deliver it.


Now who the hell would do something like that......I mean other than Carver and I???





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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #68, 04-19-2009 09:52 AM
      4, 6 or 8! Whatever you need, we got em! Head on over to Crazy Phil's! You find a better deal, and I'll eat my hat!



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katatak MSG #69, 04-19-2009 12:02 PM
      I can't take the pressure!

Dan, I know that one in your pics is already in a car so stop it!

Crazy Phil's engine emporium.....Now that's funny! True but funny.


katatak MSG #70, 04-19-2009 06:00 PM
      So I did a little "home" alignment of the front end this morning then took the car out for a putt around the neighborhood. It's close but I will be taking it to the alignment shop tomorrow. Now for the reaaly good news, There are no Fiero's in my garage! Siezing this opportunity, I decided to pull my Monte into the garage to do a tune up, install a new edlebrok carb and an electroninc Dizzy. As I was backing out of the driveway, I heard a "pop" in the front end so when I pulled it into the garage, guess what I found.

I am going to become a suspension rebuild expert!

So the only question here is do I go with stock rubber bushings or do I put poly on the Monte too? I really like the Caddy type ride of the Monte and it definitely is not a "sports car". I think I'll go back all stock on this one. OK, where's the Monte forum?


katatak MSG #71, 05-02-2009 12:04 PM
      Saturday Update:

The rear suspension parts came yesterday so last night we tore the rear suspension apart, burned the old bushings out, cleaned up all the rods and painted them. This morning, I installed the new Poly bushings and reinstalled all the rods. Pretty easy to do. Took about an hour to take it all apart, an hour to burn out the old bushings and an couple hours the clean and paint. This morning took a couple hours to grease and install the Poly and reinstall in the car. Just have to go tighten and torque everything down and it's done.

We will tackle the dash / gauge cluster / tach/ OP gauge issue next.

Coming out.

Note how far off center the bushing sleeve is.


Right side going back together.

Right installed.

Left installed.

My Guardian!


And some late night electronic work!


Now it's off to a little El Paso Fiero get together and a car show.........

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katatak MSG #72, 05-03-2009 07:31 PM
      Sunday Sunday Sunday......

So today I thought I would work on the XTC. I got the instrument panel put back together - different tach/op gauge. Fired it up and the tach works but the OP guage just jumps a little. So I went and got a new OP sensor. That was a real treat to change out but I got it done and now the OP gauge works. I made sure that all the light bulbs were working and now after about 3 minutes running, I get the SES light - 2 codes 23 and 34. I have another post in tech looking for some help.

Started messing with the AC. Turned it on but the pump did not engage. I put the gauges on and found there was no pressure. So I pulled a vac on it for a few hours then put a can of freon in it. It pulled the whole can on the vac. I checked for leaks and found none. I fired it up and tunred on the A/C. Checked the pump - still no engagement so I'm figuring there is not enough pressure yet for the switch to kick the clutch on. I hooked up another can and let her rip. The pump never kicked on. I could here a metalic noise coming from the pump like the clutch was trying to kick on. When I shut the AC switch off, the noise quit. I turned it back on and nothing so I think the clutch and or pump is shot. When it cools down I will go see if I can turn the pump by hand. Done for the day.

Pat




hagans19 (hagans19h@aol.com) MSG #73, 05-03-2009 07:50 PM
      looking good keep up the good work !!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #74, 05-03-2009 07:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

The UPS Ferry paid me a visit today!



Now I gotta go to work!


Nice rehab'ing. I check your thread, but I couldn't find where you purchased your "rehabilitation" kit from?



katatak MSG #75, 05-03-2009 10:50 PM
      Hey Curly,

Got those parts from the Fiero Store and some (not pictured) from Rodney (zero lash sway bar links are the best). I like to spread the wealth....lol

Thanks for the visit

Pat


katatak MSG #76, 05-03-2009 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hagans19:

looking good keep up the good work !!!


Thanks for your comments....we are getting close to having it done. Just some exhaust work, wheels and tires and a paint job. Of course the work never ends.... But it should be drivable in the next week.

Pat




katatak MSG #77, 05-05-2009 11:58 PM
      Tuesday Update:

Ordered some new struts a few days ago and they came in today. I don't know what I was thinking. I thought I ordered Monroe's but I got Gabriels. I guess I'll see how these hold up. I spent the afternoon dismantling and then reassembled both sides. Got her done so tomorrow it's off to the alignment shop. It will be nice to get it out of the garage for awhile.

New strut - old dirty sprng - I am getting lazy. I did not even bother to wash the old parts.

Left side done!

Wow - look who actually came out to work on His car!

Casualties of Ferio repairs

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #78, 05-06-2009 01:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

New strut - old dirty sprng - I am getting lazy. I did not even bother to wash the old parts.
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Lazy? Damn Pat, if you're lazy, I'm comatose. I wish I had half your initiative....might actually get some things done! I did manage to flush out the brake master cylinder on the Vette and will flush the lines tomorrow night...looked like factory fill...25 year old brake fluid / sludge. You can imagine what it looked like LOL. Waiting for the parts fairy to bring my fuel injector.

The XTC is coming along nicely. It's V8 time buddy... You know where to find us when you're ready. If nothing else, bring it on the next Mesilla cruise Speaking of which....we need to arrange one soon.




katatak MSG #79, 05-06-2009 06:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Lazy? Damn Pat, if you're lazy, I'm comatose. I wish I had half your initiative....might actually get some things done! I did manage to flush out the brake master cylinder on the Vette and will flush the lines tomorrow night...looked like factory fill...25 year old brake fluid / sludge. You can imagine what it looked like LOL. Waiting for the parts fairy to bring my fuel injector.

The XTC is coming along nicely. It's V8 time buddy... You know where to find us when you're ready. If nothing else, bring it on the next Mesilla cruise Speaking of which....we need to arrange one soon.



Hey Dan,

That's all I do is work on Fiero's. I'd like to have some ambition to get some of these other cars done. I need some medication to ween me off of this Fiero addiction I have. I got some great toy's here that anyone would love to have. I just push them to the side so I can work on the Fiero's. I'm tellin you it's bad - got nothing to do with initiative.....lol.

Mr. Carver is trying to talk me into taking his 4.9 off his hands. I think it would be a good fit for the XTC. But not till my 16 year old learns to drive first. Maybe I'll just take his 88 project and the 4.9 and build it for me...... See there I go. Already planning the next Fiero project while my other toy's sit and rot. I'm sick......

By Saturday, the XTC will be road ready. Was going to take it to get it aligned today but it's not ready yet - got a few more things to fix. Maybe Friday. Other than the mechanical drivability stuff, the only things left is a door upgrade to power windows & locks, exhaust and a paint job. It should be ready for a run to Mesilla by Saturday! It's getting hot - need to do it soon.



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #80, 05-06-2009 07:13 PM
     

katatak MSG #81, 05-06-2009 08:47 PM
      More fun with the XTC.

Had some code problems so I thought I'd try and clear it up today. I cleared the codes and installed a new MAP and TPS sensor. Was getting code 23 and 34. Fired it up and the SES light came on in ess than a minute. Code 33????? Then I found that I forgot to hook up the vac line to the MAP - DOH! Cleared the codes, fired it up and after 3 minutes I get code 23. So it is either the MAT or the Mixture Control Solenoid. I am guessing but based on the amount of fuel coming from the injector at idle, I am going with the Mixture Control Solenoid first. I do not have a clue where it's located but I will find it.

Check this out - I almost fell over when I found this. New TPS


Wow - Page 3 ownage too!

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #82, 05-07-2009 01:14 AM
      Pat...you sure that isn't a NOS piece made in the 80's? I didn't know China had a province called USA ( prounounced OOO-sah)

katatak MSG #83, 05-07-2009 02:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat...you sure that isn't a NOS piece made in the 80's? I didn't know China had a province called USA ( prounounced OOO-sah)


Now thats funny right there. "Made in U.S.A" or "Made in OOO-sah - province of China".

The box says "Wells" - and I have never heard of them. It's probably just the case that is made here - then shipped off to china for assembly. Seems to have sured my TPS error code though - at least for now.



katatak MSG #84, 05-07-2009 11:45 PM
      Thursday Night!

Was getting a code 23 so I replaced the MAT sensor - no more codes. Also installed a coolant temp switch and temp sensor. To recap, I replaced:

The TPS, MAP, MAT, Temp Sensor, Coolant Temp switch (fan). I was able to rebuild the dash and installed a tach and temp/fuel gauge and replaced the speedo with working trip ODO - transplanted the original Odometer, replaced the printed circuit sheet on the back and replaced / checked all the dash bulbs. We now have everything in the dash working, no codes, a wroking temp gauge, a working Tach and a working OP gauge. Only cost about 100.00 in parts and sensors. Made sure that the fan switch worked - I let the car heat up and at 220 the fan kicks on the car cools to 190, the fan shuts off.

We got the rest of the car buttoned up and took it for a little test (60 miles) drive and never got hot enough to kick the fan on. My home alignment works great - no tire squealing, no pulling, no darting, etc. I'm still going to take it to the alignment shop to get her as close to perfect as possible. She runs great and drives so much better with all new poly all the way around, new shocks up front and new struts in the back. I love it when all that hard work pays off.


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #85, 05-08-2009 01:13 AM
      I love it when a plan comes together.

katatak MSG #86, 05-08-2009 09:23 PM
      Got it into the alignment shop today. All done and it drives great. Tomorrow - new skins......Almost done!

katatak MSG #87, 05-29-2009 08:27 PM
      Well I have been out of town for the last 3 weeks - no time to work on the XTC till this evening. Last weekend, I took it to the gas station to fill it up (only filled it twice). This time, I heard a splashing noise under the car when the pump shut off. I looked underneath and there was gas dripping off the tank. I got it home, jacked it up but I could not tell exactly where it was leaking. I tightened all the hose clamps but then ran out of time. It looked like it was coming from the top of the tank.

This evening, I had my boy pour some gas out of a can in the car while I watched under the car. Sure enough, gas was leaking from the top of the tank. I pulled the tank out and found that the locking ring for the pump was offset. When I pulled the pump out, I found that the O Ring seal was goofed up. Not sure if the PO replaced the pump or not but the tank had been out of the car sometime in it's past.

So now I just have to decide if it is worth getting a new pump while it is apart. Anyone have any suggestions on brand? I'll be searching the web tonight! More later.






FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #88, 05-29-2009 10:36 PM
      I would throw a new pump in there if it was me. Get a factory replacement/AC Delco pump.



katatak MSG #89, 05-30-2009 04:24 PM
      Installed a new pump, screen and fuel filter today. Back up and running now. Found something interesting. The fuel filter was installed backwards. Maybe it's me but with the new pump and filter, it seems to run a lot better. Of course it would not be a Fiero if I did not run into "other" issues.

As I had the car up in the air, I noticed a coolant leak up front. Found the overflow tank to be - well "overflowing". I removed the rad cap and found the gasket to be messed up. Most likely allowing coolant to leak by and drain into the overflow tank while the back end was up in the air. I picked up a new cap and am hoping the car will run a little cooler now.

When I drove it to the parts store to get the new cap, I could hear a "squealing" coming from the engine compartment. My first thought was alternator. Some checking with a stethascope shows that it is the belt slipping. Back to the parts store for a new belt now. It never ends.

Edit to add: Forgot to add, before I reinstalled the tank, I put a half a gallon of gas in it and turned it upside down to check the seal. New seal works fine but I found that the "return" line leaks where it goes through the monuting plate - not much but it did get "wet" with gas. I'll be hunting for another unit to replace it with.

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #90, 05-30-2009 05:07 PM
      Hey Pat. If you find any parts you need at AutoZone, let me know. I got a connection here at home. You are still more than welcome to my 88 for research or spares. Looks like I may end up keeping/building it. It will be down the road though. I will be replacing the pump with a higher capacity one, so the stock one here is available, as well as any duke parts. You know my number...

katatak MSG #91, 05-30-2009 09:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:

Hey Pat. If you find any parts you need at AutoZone, let me know. I got a connection here at home. You are still more than welcome to my 88 for research or spares. Looks like I may end up keeping/building it. It will be down the road though. I will be replacing the pump with a higher capacity one, so the stock one here is available, as well as any duke parts. You know my number...


I really need to load up some parts and come your way. Next weekend, I am going to clean out my "Fiero" shed. Anything in there is yours. I'll send you a list of what I got. I have those GT seats set aside for you too. All I really need for the XTC is a auto shift surround.

Going out to change an idler pulley on the XTC now - yipee.......

Later



katatak MSG #92, 05-30-2009 11:56 PM
      Satruday evening update!

As I was installing the new idler (the old one definitely had a bad bearing), I found that the Alt. was very loose (mounts). As I messed with it, it fell off it's mount! The bottom bolt was broke in the middle, the front upper was actually "worn" in two and the rear bracket that bolts to the manifold was missing. I found it laying on top the exhaust heat shield (source of an annoying rattle). I decided that since it was "out" anyway, I'd install a new one. Went ahead ond got a lifetime warranty one. Got it all back together and running again. Only spent about 250.00 this weekend on it.


katatak MSG #93, 05-31-2009 01:56 PM
      I found a place that does State Inspections on Sunday and i am happy to report that the XTC passed and is now ready for daily driving. Just a few more projects to finish up and I can move on the the next project. Here's the short list:

1. AC repair - needs a compressor, accumulator and new orifice tube - flush the system out and recharge.

2. Install new door glass, power windows, power locks with remote entry, rebuild the door hinges and new dew wipes in and out.

3. Paint job.

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Pat


N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #94, 05-31-2009 02:19 PM
      Don't ya hate it when that light comes with a price tag? haha.

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #95, 05-31-2009 02:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Pat


Make sure that light isn't attached to the front of a train.



katatak MSG #96, 06-26-2009 05:20 PM
      Forgive me for it's been a long time since my last confession - oh wait - that's for somewhere else....... Anyway, Here's a little upadte on the XTC. I ran into a great deal on a set of wheels and tires so here's some before and after pics. Let me know what you think!

Before:

V
V
V
V
V
V
And after:

A happy boy!




Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #97, 06-26-2009 06:59 PM
      Pat....we still on for tomorrow? I'll give you a call in a few.

ALLTRBO MSG #98, 06-27-2009 06:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
Let me know what you think!

It looks the same.
The wheels need to be spaced out more (more the rear than the front) to look right in my eyes.


Swedish Fiero (fiero@live.se) MSG #99, 06-27-2009 08:29 AM
      It looks great.. however, to be perfect the rear axle needs to be stretched about 4-5 inches backwards and another tail laight assembely would do it good..

Keep up the good work !!



katatak MSG #100, 06-27-2009 08:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Swedish Fiero:

It looks great.. however, to be perfect the rear axle needs to be stretched about 4-5 inches backwards and another tail laight assembely would do it good..

Keep up the good work !!



Thanks for the reply's.

Lots of alterations in the planning stages - Headlight, extractor hood scoop, wheel wells, marker lights, smooth out the body some, and maybe shortening the backend a little? I too think it hangs out there a little too far. Just gotta learn some glass skills and then we'll see what we can do.


katatak MSG #101, 06-27-2009 08:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALLTRBO:

It looks the same.
The wheels need to be spaced out more (more the rear than the front) to look right in my eyes.



Looks the same?????? Are you saying rear tires out to the side more? I agree the back wheels need to come out some more. We did go from stock 15" wheels and tires to 17" wheels. I wanted a "wider" tire in the back but the 225 was all my sone couls afford at the time - maybe later he can go with a wider tire - maybe a 245 would help. I will say that we took it for a 100 mile trip today and it drives wo much better. Onward and upward - Thanks for the reply.

Pat



katatak MSG #102, 06-29-2009 10:55 PM
      Alright..... Here we go again!

A couple of friends came over to the house on Saturday afternoon and we were talking about headlight mods for the XTC. Jeff made the suggestion that I try some headlights out of a 93 Camaro. So today, I went to the junk yard and picked up some headlight bucket assemblies from a 93 Camaro. Here's the idea - now you have to use a little imagination here but never the less, here's the idea. It's basically a "flush" mount into the hood without the plexi cover. My plan is to fab a wedged shaped pan out of sheet metal to use as a mold for the glass. Once I have the mold made, the glass laid up and the trimmed down buckets monuted to the glass, I will trim the hole in the hood to fit the pan/headlight assembly. I will also eliminate the "louvers" in front of the headlight. I envision a flat bottomed -wedge shaped "trough" with the top of the headlights just below the edge of the hood. Looking at the pics below, imagine the headlights sitting higher and a few inches further back. After I trimmed the bucket down, and placing it in the hole, it looks like I will have to cut some of the metal sidewall out so I can "center" the assembly in the hole. Also, there will be a small "ledge" coming out over the top of the headlight to give them a slight recessed look.

Here's the bucket:

And a few shots of the concept:




Comments?

Pat


katatak MSG #103, 07-01-2009 07:51 PM
      Well after some trimming of the Camaro buckets and opening & closing the hood 1000 times, I have come to the disapointing conclusion that my mod idea will not work - there is just not enough room under the hood to recess the lights. I wanted to move the lights forward ahead of the stock headlight location - it just will not fit. I think that they are too far from the front to mount them at the back of the stock location - just does not look right. I will be in search of something different now. Any ideas, let me know.

Pat



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #104, 07-01-2009 08:18 PM
      Slim pop ups

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/076247.html



katatak MSG #105, 07-02-2009 01:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Slim pop ups

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/076247.html



I was following your thread a while back and completely forgot about it. That is exactly what I am looking for now. Do you mind if I do a copycat on your design? I actually went and purchased 2 of the smaller headlights back when I had my 86 and was going to do something similar then. I looked at doing the 90mm or 60mm Hella's but the cost is too high and I do not think the round lights look right on the XTC. Thanks for the suggestion and link.

Pat


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #106, 07-02-2009 01:18 AM
      Feel free to copy me, I don't mind at all

Post some pictures when you're done, I'd be interested to see how yours turns out



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #107, 07-02-2009 01:42 AM
      here are my pop ups from a few years ago.


katatak MSG #108, 07-02-2009 01:55 AM
      Hey Jim,

I like those too! Do you have any details on the build?

Thanks

Pat


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #109, 07-02-2009 04:44 AM
      I did mine allot like doublec4's but instead of just trimming the headlight buckets down, I retained the part of the stock bucket that makes contact with the headlight lid by sectioning the bucket and using a good epoxy with glass fibers to put it back together. I never really finished them so the adjusting them is a little crude, the bracket that holds the lights is slotted. To adjust the headlights position just loosen the nuts a little, aim the light then tighten them up again.


katatak MSG #110, 07-04-2009 12:43 AM
      Here's the latest version - still needs some work. The light sts too low due to the way the hood is designed. This is the Camaro lamp. It is smaller than the 4556 lamp. I am not sure I like it - it looks too small for the "hole". The XTC lid is about 3" wider than the stock Fiero lid. I was able to get the lamp "centered" on the lid by using a right side bucket on the left side. I used the original Camaor bucket trimmed down to fit inside the Fiero bucket mount. I had to do some trimming on the inside of the Ferio bucket mount too. I will play with it all weekend. Probably will end up with all the stock stuff......lol. It's a project.



On a nother note, I seem to be having a starter problem now. Turn the key and nothing. I have power, lights, etc. just no crank. I'll dig into that tomorrow....


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #111, 07-04-2009 01:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:



Cool project. As an added detail to the tail light section, a black honey comb grill or maybe even a carbon fiber filler panel would be a cool little feature.


katatak MSG #112, 07-04-2009 04:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:


Cool project. As an added detail to the tail light section, a black honey comb grill or maybe even a carbon fiber filler panel would be a cool little feature.


I agree, the rear end needs an update too...... Once I get the headlights done, I have a few more details to take care of up front and then I'll move to the back.

List of future mods:

Extractor hood scoop
Smooth ot the tops of the front fenders - eliminate the louvers in front of the headlights
Mold in the front radiator scoop - eliminate the mesh grill and mold in the driving lights & turn signals.

I still have to get the AC going. Parts are on the way but the last few days I have been having a starter problem. I replaced the starter today. Had to cut the cat out to get to it but I'll just stright pipe it for now. I found some "heat" issues. The main cable from the battery to the starter was slightly melted due to heat form the exhaust manifiold. I used some of those "Simmons" spark plug heat shield socks on the wires to protect them. I alos found that the wires coming out of the AC switch plugs were damaged. All cracked and the insulation is coming off. One was completely severed (wonder why the AC compressor won't kick on?). I'' have to order some new connectors now cuase there is not enough good wire left to spilce them. I am thinking about rigging them up to see if the compressor works though. I will install the new compressor and new sitchs along with the connectors. It never ends......


katatak MSG #113, 07-06-2009 11:34 PM
      After the sun went down and it cooled off a little, I went back to work on the low profile headlights. The previous version had the light a little too low in the mount and about 1/2" of the bottom of the headligh was cut off by the bump in the hood just ahead of the headlight opening. So I moved the Camaro bucket up 1/2" in the mount and then added a small diameter driving light. It was getting late so I did not get the lights hooked up to see what it looks like "on". If it loks ok, I will use some aluminum sheet to fab a "cover" plate to trim out the lights. Here's where I am so far.

Before moving the light up in the mount:

Version 2:




Gokart Mozart MSG #114, 07-07-2009 09:00 AM
      Have you looked at
http://upload.wikimedia.org...ntiac_Grand_Prix.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org...reme_convertible.jpg



Tony Kania MSG #115, 07-07-2009 12:15 PM
      I am going to have to keep an eye on this mod. I like the low profile look. i also have a pair of driving lights mounted in my "grill" area. I like the extra light output that I get from them, but am not impressed with the look. Makes the front of my car look to cluttered. But, with a slim light, and a driving light in the stock location.....Hmmmmm?



katatak MSG #116, 07-08-2009 12:11 AM
      Gokart,

Thanks for those links.....


katatak MSG #117, 07-08-2009 12:22 AM
      Ok,

Made some progress today. I did some "swapping" around and I like this look a little better. I got the headlights working and adjusted. Just have to finish the wiring for the driving lights and fab the face plates. I think they turned out pretty good. I can even swap them from side to side to move the driving lights inboard or out board. I like em out board. After dark, I gave them some more adjustement and went for a drive in the country. Lights work great. I can't wait to get the driving lights working and finish this project.





One driving light on:



I want to give a big "THANKS" to doublec4 - and others that contributed, commented, etc. It was the inspiration I needed to get it done. I also need to thank my buddy Jeff for the driving light idea....it was exactly what I was looking for.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #118, 07-08-2009 12:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I want to give a big "THANKS" to doublec4 - and others that contributed, commented, etc. It was the inspiration I needed to get it done. I also need to thank my buddy Jeff for the driving light idea....it was exactly what I was looking for.



Looks pretty good! Don't have to thank me, you did all the work lol


BlackThunderGT MSG #119, 07-08-2009 01:07 AM
      Pat,

Great job!!! I really like what you done with the driving lights...might have given a lot of us some new Ideas for our light mods

So did I read right and the XTC is now your baby? so we will see it at the Ruckus?

Paul


jgrotzin (josh.grotzinger@californiak12.org) MSG #120, 07-08-2009 09:37 AM
      Those look great! They really fit the look of the XTC! Good job!

katatak MSG #121, 07-08-2009 02:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:

Pat,

Great job!!! I really like what you done with the driving lights...might have given a lot of us some new Ideas for our light mods

So did I read right and the XTC is now your baby? so we will see it at the Ruckus?

Paul


Hey there Paul - thanks for the reply. Well yes the XTC is in my posession. It will end up being my 16 year olds first car....... and yes, my plan is to bring it to the Ruckus. Just have a few more things to finish on it.

I really like the way these turned out - there are a few changes I want to make but they are minor and easy. I have to take them apart for paint and a few finishing touch's. I will take a bunch of pics how they are assembled and post em up for anyone interested. The 2 new headlights were the biggest expense - 50.00 for the pair. I got the Camaro headlight assembly at a junkyard for 20.00 but none of the lights worked. If you could find a set with working lights, it would be cheaper. The driving lights were 25.00 so I got under 100.00 in the setup. I am actually starting a set for the Formula.

Pat

Edit to add - Page 4 ownage - Yahooooooo............

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katatak MSG #122, 07-08-2009 03:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jgrotzin:

Those look great! They really fit the look of the XTC! Good job!


Thanks J. It was pretty easy to do. I was dreading it at first - worried about the possibility of having to do some fiberglass work or mixing up a bunch of epoxy, etc. All I had to do was trim the Fiero bucket a little and cut it down then trim up the Camaro bucket to fit squarly in the Fiero bucket, drilled some holes, put in a few screws and done. I will take them back apart and clean them up with some paint - make sure everything is tight. I spent maybe 4 hours building the first one and an hour on the second one.

Pat


katatak MSG #123, 07-08-2009 11:43 PM
      One more piece of the lo pro headlight project completed this evening. I got the template made for the face plate/cover for the new headlight buckets. I have some 16ga aluminum sheet that i will fab the cover's from. With any luck, I will have the covers done tomorrow night. Then I will disassemble both buckets and paint them up. I also got a packag from the AC ferry today via Fed Ex - new AC compressor, Accumulator, Variable orifice tube, hi and lo pressure switchs w/new connectors and the R134 control valve. Guess I'll be rehabing the AC Saturday......I Can't wait. I drove the car this evening - it was 101 out at 8:00pm and I am cooked. I will never have another "black" car!

The template is a "rough outline. I will radius all the inside corners to fit the light better and the round hole for the driving light will be - well - round. I'll use a whole saw to cut the hole. There will also be "sides" bent back to cover each side and will attach at the stock points on the Fiero bucket.




More later.


katatak MSG #124, 07-09-2009 02:50 PM
      I had a little time during the lunch hour today so I made a quick run at fabbing a cover.





More later

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katatak MSG #125, 07-09-2009 06:44 PM
      Got the other cover done!





kwagner MSG #126, 07-09-2009 09:53 PM
      Just read through this whole thread. Neat project I have one suggestion:

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:




With the rest of the car being black, the front wire mesh stands out like a sore thumb IMHO. Maybe try making it black or some darker color?


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #127, 07-09-2009 11:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kwagner:

Just read through this whole thread. Neat project I have one suggestion:


With the rest of the car being black, the front wire mesh stands out like a sore thumb IMHO. Maybe try making it black or some darker color?


HEYYYY! I spent alot of time on that front grill. The old one was black. It didn't look that great.




katatak MSG #128, 07-10-2009 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kwagner:

Just read through this whole thread. Neat project I have one suggestion:


With the rest of the car being black, the front wire mesh stands out like a sore thumb IMHO. Maybe try making it black or some darker color?


I do agree. The plan is to eliminate the mesh all together. Benihd the mesh grill is wide open and the air is not directed into the radiator like it should be. I am going to mold a "funnel" out of fiberglass into the radiator. The driving lights and turn signals will be molded into the "funnel" at the outer edges and it will be open to the radiator kinda of like the stock Aero nose.



katatak MSG #129, 07-10-2009 12:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


HEYYYY! I spent alot of time on that front grill. The old one was black. It didn't look that great.



I took it out to do some measuring and I can concur - it is tough to get out and then back in - but I will say you do excellent work, it fits very good. Nice and ight and no rattles..... I just got to learn some fiberglass skills now..... I also want to add an extractor hood scoop and I want to fill in the louvers in front of the headlights - smooth the hood out.


katatak MSG #130, 07-10-2009 07:15 PM
      So I got the crazy idea that I would attempt to paint the headlight covers to give them that "carbon fiber" look. So I spent a few hours on the net, watching some yuotube, reading some posts and decided what the heck. If it does not turn out, I can just paint em black and be done. So here's my first run at it. Not too bad - there is room for improvement but I was surprized how they turned out.




katatak MSG #131, 07-11-2009 10:30 PM
      The plan for the day was to get the AC going on the XTC but all the parts did not show up. Got everything but the 2 new switch connectors. I decided that it was too hot anyway - 105 in my driveway today.

I needed to finish up some of the wiring for the headlight project and finish the assembly of the buckets. So off to the parts store I went. I needed to build some headlight connectors and run some wire for the driving lights. I sat in the living room in the AC and built the connectors and the wiring harness. Then I "rebuilt" the buckets - they were put together with some sheet metal screws so I removed the screws and drilled out the holes then installed some #10 bolts & nuts with locktite and double nutted. When I got shade in the driveway, I went to work. I could last about 30 - 45 minutes in the shade then I had to go in and cool off. It took most the day to get the lights finished up.

Now that I'v done this once, there are a few things I would do different (cheaper and quicker) but I guess if I did not learn something in the process, it was not worth doing. Got them done for now but I will fab some new covers. I used 18ga aluminum and it is too flimsy. I will use 18 or 16ga steel for the new ones. I also learned some tricks for the "carbon fiber" paint. I have a few more plans for this process on some interior parts. I also was able to do some measuring so I can build an insert for the grill to direct the air into the rad. This is where I will learn to do fiberglass?








katatak MSG #132, 07-18-2009 07:13 PM
      Today was the big day. The plan was to rebuild the AC system on the XTC. Here's a list of all the parts:

Remanned V5 compressor - 47.95 off E Bay
R134 control valve - 78.00 from Rock Auto
Normal Service - Variable Orifice tube - 19.99 - Autozone
New Accumulator - 19.99 - Autozone
New high pressure switch w/new connector - 35.00 - Autozone
New low pressure switch w/new connector - 24.99 - Autozone
16oz PAG 100 oil - system uses 11oz - 15.00 - Autozone
3 12 oz cans of R134 freon - 24.00 - Autozone
Nice Cold AC in a black car = Priceless!

I also bought a electric 2.5 CFM vacuum pump from Harbor Freight. It was the floor model so the Manager gave it to me for 40.00 - regular 90.00. I had been using the 10.00 air compressor version but thet electric one works so much better. I am always messing with AC so it will pay for itself. So without the vac pump, I got about 250.00 in parts and goodies.


I removed the old compressor, removed the old accumulator and orifice tube, flushed the lines and blew them out with a lot of air. I found several bad spots in the wiing for both the hi and lo switch's. The majority of the time spent was fixing the electrical issues. After looking at it, I noticed that where the wires come down behind the water pump (duke), they are fairly close to the exhaust manifold - probably why all the wires and the plastic loom was so hard and brittle. I replaced all the wires, installed new plastic loom and used "Simmons" High heat spark plug boots made from nomex to cover the lower end where it runs close to the exhaust. They come in sets of 2 so I put the other one on the starter cables to protect them. They work very well. I installed the new switches and the control valve in the compressor and filled the comp with oil. I put half in the compressor and the other half in the "suction" side of the accumulator. I buttoned everything up and put the new vac pump to work.

I let the vacuum pump run for a few hours then I closed the valves and let it sit for an hour. The cool thing about the electric vac pump is that you can see it pull the moisture out of the system. Once I new it would hold good vacuum, I opened the valve on the first can (1st one I put in has dye in it). I let the system take as much of the can as it will without starting the car. Then I check for leaks around the fittings up front and at the compressor. When I'm sure there is no leaks, I start the car and feed the rest of the 1st can into the system. With the 1st can in, I was already getting 75* air at the vents. Toward the end of the 3rd can, my pressures were around 30 on the low and 230 on the high. I put a large fan in front of the car to get some air moving over the condensor and I was able to get 46.7* air out of the center vents. Good enough for me!

Bad Wires!




And my new vac pump & setup ready to charge:


I took it for a little drive and going down the highway @ 70 mph I am gettin 46* air out of the center vents. Sitting at a traffic light it blows 50* air. I have an air flow issue in the front of the XTC right now. I can't wait to get that issue fixed to force more air into the radiator. One other thing I found was that where the 2 tubes go into the firewall, they were leaking cold air. The factory goop that is there to seal it off was hard and crumbly. I used some silicone sealer to seal them up and it made a noticable difference inside the car. It was like getting one higher speed on the fan!

I also think I broke my wrist getting the old compressor out but that's another story.........

More later!

Pat


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #133, 07-20-2009 12:43 AM
      Nice work.


katatak MSG #134, 07-25-2009 12:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Nice work.


Thanks for the reply..... Been out of town for a few days and will be back on the project this weekend. Next project is to install a set of doors with power windows and locks. Also will install new outer & inner dew wipes and install a remote keyless entry thingy..... I did do some more "carbon fiber" paint on the gauge cluster plate and the AC ducts on the dash. They turned out ok but need to be redone. I get better each time but not where I want them to be. The plan is to do the center console cover and the radio surround with the carbon fiber paint too. When I was changing the AC ducts, I found a nice wasps nest in the left hand duct...The wasps were dead though.

Some progress:



RWDPLZ MSG #135, 08-15-2009 10:34 PM
      I had an idea looking at the front end: What if you took a piece of mesh like it has now, and bend it so the front area comes slightly in front of the two back areas, to meet the front part where it sticks out further? I drew a picture below of the bends as a top view. Also, if you cut X-shaped lines the size of the foglights/turn signals, you could bend the triangular shapes back, and have the lights recessed slightly into them, instead of being covered up partially?



I like the carbon fiber effect painting so far. I've always wondered what a Fiero interior would look like if you replaced the brushed aluminum looking trim with carbon fiber...



katatak MSG #136, 08-22-2009 07:04 PM
      Thanks for the reply. You have some good ideas for the grill. I have not had much time lately to work on the car but I am planning on rebuilding the doors and installing power windows and locks over he next week. Stay tuned.

Pat


matthewc (matthew.carley@worldnet.att.net) MSG #137, 08-22-2009 11:28 PM
      Pat,

This is a very cool project you have there! This winter I started a rehab/overhaul on a F40 replica that was completed in the early 90's and then stolen, car was found in a warehouse many years later and passed through an owner or two before I picked her up. You are making some great progress on your project I will be following along can't wait to see how she turns out.

Matt


katatak MSG #138, 08-24-2009 08:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by matthewc:

Pat,

This is a very cool project you have there! This winter I started a rehab/overhaul on a F40 replica that was completed in the early 90's and then stolen, car was found in a warehouse many years later and passed through an owner or two before I picked her up. You are making some great progress on your project I will be following along can't wait to see how she turns out.

Matt


Hey Matt,

Thanks for the encouragement. Post some pics of your project / rehab of that F40. I was not a big fan of the rebodies till I got this one. They kind of grow on you. For me, I think it's mainly because it is so unique. This is the only one of it's kind in El Paso!

I do not have too much more planned for this one. I am going to rebuild the doors / hinges and install new door glass with power windows and locks/remote entry. I have some "duct" work to do up front to direct the air to the rad and put an extractor hood scoop in. Then it's off to paint. Hope to have it done by December. Maybe looking at a 4.9 swap next winter?

Pat


katatak MSG #139, 08-27-2009 04:23 PM
      Ok, I started sorting out all the stuff I need to install the power windows and locks. Awhile back I picked up some doors off of an 85 with 30k on the clock. I was going to swap out the guts and door glass into the existing doors on the XTC but after looking it over the last few days, I think it will be quicker and easier to just install the doors off the 85. There is some metal fab required on the doors for the modified XTC hinge assembly but it's pretty simple. I am going to order a some hinge rebuld kits from RD along with the new rollers/pins and rebuild the hinges before I install the doors (just because it is easy). The dew wipes are not cracked or broke on the 85 doors but they are hard. I think I will install some new dew wipes prior as well. I have all the wrinig harness out of the 85 along with the window switchs and door locks. Just not sure if it will be a plug and play in the 88. Pics of progress to follow as I will be starting this project tomorrow. Just wish it would start to cool off around here.......

Pat



Tony Kania MSG #140, 08-28-2009 11:36 AM
      Just a thought about the door removal. Of the four bolts holding the door on, take out the three outside bolts first. Then remove the last bolt at the inside bottom of the A pillar. Less chance of one pinching their fingers. The doors are heavy, but I found that they were not as heavy as I have always heard. A jack underneath the door is a major help to relieve pressure on the bolts. A helper to steady the door helps, but is not completely necessary. The three outside ones are 13mm. The inside bottom one is 15mm.

Tony


katatak MSG #141, 08-28-2009 09:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Just a thought about the door removal. Of the four bolts holding the door on, take out the three outside bolts first. Then remove the last bolt at the inside bottom of the A pillar. Less chance of one pinching their fingers. The doors are heavy, but I found that they were not as heavy as I have always heard. A jack underneath the door is a major help to relieve pressure on the bolts. A helper to steady the door helps, but is not completely necessary. The three outside ones are 13mm. The inside bottom one is 15mm.

Tony


Thanks Tony for the tips.

I have a slight change of plans now. I took the XTC for a little road trip today. I had some errands to run over on the West side and I stopped by to see my buddy Rick at the Chevy dealership. I had a power door lock relay to drop off for his door lock issue. Anyway, while we were there (I was with my 19 year old son) we looked at all the new toys. First we looked at 6 Camaro's, then 2 Cobalt SS's, then an HHR SS and then about a dozen Vettes. I fear that my 19 year old son does not appreciate the 88 Formula anymore. No, I did not buy a new toy - just wanted to brag about playing with a bunch of new Chevy hot rods half the day..... Anyway, the road trip was about 100 miles round trip and I noticed something that I did not like with the XTC. Around town, light to light in city traffic, the temp never gets over 190* with the AC on all the time. When I get it out on the interstate - flat ground running 65 - 70, the temp starts to rise. Although it never overheated - highest temp was climbing over the mountains from the West side to the North East side - was 230 - 240. I think this confirms my suspicion that the "ducting" or actually the lack of ducting from the grill to the rad is not sufficient at highway speeds. I think that there is a vaccum being created between the grill and the rad and there is not enough air flowing through the rad. Another reason I am thinking this is due to the fact that the faster I go, the warmer the AC blows. Around town, I get 38* air out of the center vents. At 65 it is around 44 and as the speed increases, the temp does too. At 80, the AC blows 50* air. The minute I slow back down to 50 or less, 38* air. A sign to me that there is not enough air flowing over the condensor. Is my thinking correct?

So, this weekend is dedicated to solving this problem - not necassarily cause I am worried about the car overheating but becuase I want the AC as cold as possible while I'm cruising down the interstate. Now the door rebuild is on the back burner. My plan is this. I have one of those small RV wireless back up cameras. I am going to put the camera up in the nose of the XTC and then tie some surveyors ribbon in various places inside the nose between the grill and the rad. Then I'm going for a drive to see what is going on in there. After that, I will build some duct work in there with some heavy cardboard and repeat. Should be an interesting project. If I can get the duct work right, I will be learning the art of fiberglass.....Not looking forward to that but it has to be done. I am also thinking of some sort of extractor scoop too - to help get the air through the rad. More to come.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #142, 08-31-2009 06:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Thanks Tony for the tips.

I have a slight change of plans now. I took the XTC for a little road trip today. I had some errands to run over on the West side and I stopped by to see my buddy Rick at the Chevy dealership. I had a power door lock relay to drop off for his door lock issue. Anyway, while we were there (I was with my 19 year old son) we looked at all the new toys. First we looked at 6 Camaro's, then 2 Cobalt SS's, then an HHR SS and then about a dozen Vettes. I fear that my 19 year old son does not appreciate the 88 Formula anymore. No, I did not buy a new toy - just wanted to brag about playing with a bunch of new Chevy hot rods half the day..... Anyway, the road trip was about 100 miles round trip and I noticed something that I did not like with the XTC. Around town, light to light in city traffic, the temp never gets over 190* with the AC on all the time. When I get it out on the interstate - flat ground running 65 - 70, the temp starts to rise. Although it never overheated - highest temp was climbing over the mountains from the West side to the North East side - was 230 - 240. I think this confirms my suspicion that the "ducting" or actually the lack of ducting from the grill to the rad is not sufficient at highway speeds. I think that there is a vaccum being created between the grill and the rad and there is not enough air flowing through the rad. Another reason I am thinking this is due to the fact that the faster I go, the warmer the AC blows. Around town, I get 38* air out of the center vents. At 65 it is around 44 and as the speed increases, the temp does too. At 80, the AC blows 50* air. The minute I slow back down to 50 or less, 38* air. A sign to me that there is not enough air flowing over the condensor. Is my thinking correct?

So, this weekend is dedicated to solving this problem - not necassarily cause I am worried about the car overheating but becuase I want the AC as cold as possible while I'm cruising down the interstate. Now the door rebuild is on the back burner. My plan is this. I have one of those small RV wireless back up cameras. I am going to put the camera up in the nose of the XTC and then tie some surveyors ribbon in various places inside the nose between the grill and the rad. Then I'm going for a drive to see what is going on in there. After that, I will build some duct work in there with some heavy cardboard and repeat. Should be an interesting project. If I can get the duct work right, I will be learning the art of fiberglass.....Not looking forward to that but it has to be done. I am also thinking of some sort of extractor scoop too - to help get the air through the rad. More to come.

Pat


Pat, I think the ducting and a hood vent will definitely help the cooling problem. Instead of fiberglass how about some thick sheet plastic that you can cut and glue together. This would save a lot of fab time and fiberglass itching. The XTC is coming along nicely!

I'm glad you and you son had fun checking out the Camaros, Vettes and SS's. I am ordering the new 2010 Corvette Gran Sports. You need to come see one when they arrrive.

As neat as these new cars are, I love jumping in my 88 GT for the drive home. Now if I could get one of the 304 horse direct injection V6's hooked to a G6 six speed installed in my Fiero, I am sure I could get home a little faster! Are you listening Archie?


katatak MSG #143, 08-31-2009 11:13 PM
      I need to stay away from Rick's work....Too many temptations! I should have never climbed into that Camaro Rick. Good thing I did not get in the Z06. Now All I have to do is figure out how to get one of those Cobalt motors for the XTC. Of course that Camaro V6 would do nicely too. If I had nothing but time and money........Come on Power Ball!

Rick 88 MSG #144, 09-01-2009 08:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I need to stay away from Rick's work....Too many temptations! I should have never climbed into that Camaro Rick. Good thing I did not get in the Z06. Now All I have to do is figure out how to get one of those Cobalt motors for the XTC. Of course that Camaro V6 would do nicely too. If I had nothing but time and money........Come on Power Ball!


Speaking of temptation, we just got in our first 2010 Corvette Grand Sports! I'll get in with you on that Power Ball purchase.


katatak MSG #145, 09-01-2009 11:14 PM
      I'll be there tomorrow sometime.......And I thought I was going to buy a new motorcyle this week.

katatak MSG #146, 09-13-2009 07:22 PM
      Stopped by a local car show today and was looking at a couple cars with Lambo doors. My 16 year old had an interesting idea. He is thinking suicide Lambo doors. After looking at the XTC, I am not sure it would be possible but it is an interesting idea. We parked the XTC in a parking lot adjacent to the lot where the car sho was taking place. After we made the rounds looking at all the cars, when we returned to the XTC to leave, we had a pretty large crowd gathered around the car. Mostly younger folks asking questions like :is that an NSX" and comments like "never seen a Ferrari like that one", etc. It was fun talking to them. Some of them did not even know what a Fiero was - had never heard of one. We spent over an hour talking Fiero's and body kits, etc. I was impressed with a few of these younger guys and thier automotive knowledge. Of course there were a few that wanted to swap some Honda Vtec turbo charged rice burning thing in there but I just chuckled at them. Many were surpirsed when I opened the "trunk" to see the mid engine layout. I got to get to work on the door swap!

katatak MSG #147, 09-23-2009 10:14 PM
      It was overcast and cool outside today so I pulled the hood off the XTC so I could get an idea of what I need to do to build a "tunnel" to direct the air from the grill to the rad. Looks like it will be fairly simple. I basicallly have to build a box. I am not sure what material I will build it out of. I have zero fiberglass skills but I am pretty good with sheetmetal. I was alos thinking of using some plexiglass and either fab some sheet metal angle bars and fasten it together with rivets or use epoxy. I'll have to do some experimenting with a few different materials before I build the insert.

I also sorted out the wiring harness for the power windows and stripped the donor doors down. I have to do a little "body" work on the donor doors to fit the XTC door hinges. As soon as I get my 70 Monte out of the garage, I plan on getting the XTC in there to finish the rehab. More later.

Pat


katatak MSG #148, 11-08-2009 08:11 PM
      After neglecting the XTC for the last 5 weeks, I finally got back to working on the doors. I got the donor doors notched and fitted up for the hinges. Also fixed an oil leak and put a new valve cover gasket on today. Poor XTC has taken a back seat to the 86 V8 Coupe. Too many Fiero's - so little time! More to come.

Pat


katatak MSG #149, 11-22-2009 10:01 PM
      Today, Chris - my 16 year old who will soon be taking over the care and feeding of the XTC decided it was time to get some much needed work done on the car. Awhile ago, he wanted to give the car some "carbon fiber" look. We watched some youtube vids and did some experimenting and did the "painted" carbon fiber process on the Speedo bezel and the dash corner AC vents. I told him then that this was the last time I would "do the work" on his car. From then on, it was up to him what, when and how things got done.

While I was working on the V8 Coupe, he decided to try his hand at the carbon fiber paint thing. For a kid that up unitl today, had never done anything like this on his own, I am pretty impressed. Here's the results:

Masked, sanded and primed:

Black coat on:

Mask in place:


Silver coat on:


Drying in the sun:


Black fogged on:


And 3 coats of clear:



They turned out a little dark and have some shading areas but I think he did pertty good for his first attempt all on his own from start to finish. Makes me a proud papa to see my boy taking an interest and taking care of his car.

Now for the rest of the story. At around 12:00, he went out to the car to take off the old AC suround and Shifter cover. At around 7:30, I went out front to close up the cars and he had left the doors open, the stereo on and the battery did not have enough umph to start the car. Now he's out there in the dark jumping it...... They never learn....lol.

Pat


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #150, 11-24-2009 01:15 PM
      Does that foam stuff come in a tighter weave? You're good at what you're doing and the technique works, but a tighter weave would make it look much more realistic.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #151, 11-24-2009 09:56 PM
      That pattern came out real nice.



Sofa King MSG #152, 11-24-2009 10:19 PM
      P,

I must have been sucking on exhaust fumes... I didn't realize that you were also working the XTC. Keep up the great work! Tell your son he did a fantastic job! The CF turned out really sharp!

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johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #153, 11-26-2009 07:19 AM
      I am finding out the same thing as your son is...he can do abything as long as he tries. It may take a few times of practice to get it right but the resulting satisfaction is worth it. He is 20 years ahead of me though! Keep it up!

katatak MSG #154, 12-01-2009 04:57 PM
      Been a few days since I read through this thread, been busy working on the V8 Coupe. Thanks everyone for your positive comments. I agree, a tighter pattern would look better. This is just everyday anti skid shelf liner we picked up at Lowes. As for the "son learning", it was just what he needed to boost his enthusiasm for the car. Since we got the pieces installed, He has been tinkering with it everyday. I caught him cleaning the carpets in it on Sunday. I'll be turning it over to him on the 19th of December. I will be "assisting" him in any furture work but I want him to do the work.

We still need to install some electric / remote door locks. We have a set of low mileage doors with power windows and locks that will go on the car but not till spring. Once I have a good handle on fiberglass work, we will start the body work process on the XTC and try to get it painted before summer. There are a lot of little cracks in corners and in places where the PO bolted or riveted or screwed body panels togeher, the bondo is flaking out so there is a fair amount of work to do. We also have to build a "air funnel" inside the nose to direct the air to the rad better. That will be our first glass project on the car. I'm cutting my fiberglass teeth now on the V8 Coupe project. I can screw it up all I want.

Here's a shot of the XTC as it sits this am - looking lonely but trust me, it gets driven everyday and the old Duke runs like a top. Perfect for a 16 year old. More later.

Pat

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katatak MSG #155, 12-03-2009 11:29 PM
      Well I have a new project for the XTC. I have tweaked my back for the last time trying to lift the hood on this car. It's time ot install some gas lift cylinders or electirc actuators. I really just want to push a button and have the hoood come up - something like Madcurl's car. A couple of gas charged lift cylinders would be ok too if I could pop the hood release and be able to raise it with out taking steroids first. Anyone have any ideas? I guess I need to figure out what the thing weighs so I can start researching actuators and lift cylinders and such. I think I need to talk to Madcurl.

Pat



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #156, 12-04-2009 12:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I think I need to talk to Madcurl.

Pat


Pm sent.



ferrobi MSG #157, 12-04-2009 05:50 PM
      I have that same problem with my F40's rear clip - very heavy to lift. I want actuators as opposed to gas struts always pushing on the fiberglass when closed. I need to talk to Madcurl too.

Rob



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #158, 12-04-2009 09:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ferrobi:

I have that same problem with my F40's rear clip - very heavy to lift. I want actuators as opposed to gas struts always pushing on the fiberglass when closed. I need to talk to Madcurl too.

Rob



I still have the info I sent Katatak... if you want it?


katatak MSG #159, 12-04-2009 11:08 PM
      Thanks for the info and help Madcurl. I will be ordering the 12" actuators and the control module from DD on Monday. Do you get a percentage from DD for outside sales???? It aint cheap but it's "sweet".. Thanks again.

Pat



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #160, 12-05-2009 10:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Thanks for the info and help Madcurl. I will be ordering the 12" actuators and the control module from DD on Monday. Do you get a percentage from DD for outside sales???? It aint cheap but it's "sweet".. Thanks again.

Pat



No percentage, but I'm glad to pass along the info I got from David (Pantera Replica owner). Have you planned out the location or needed brackets to complet the job?


katatak MSG #161, 12-06-2009 12:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
No percentage, but I'm glad to pass along the info I got from David (Pantera Replica owner). Have you planned out the location or needed brackets to complet the job?


I have a rough idea of where to put them. When I get my hands on them, I will have a better idea and then work on brackets and emergency releases. I was thinking about finding or designing some type of cable / pin release for the actuators for an emergency release. I was looking at one of the links you gave me for the Hot Rod parts. They have some lock rods designed for suicide doors. I am thinking maybe I could adapt a set of those hooked up to something like the stock hood release cable. Should I loose power or fry something in the actuators, I could pull the hood release handle and it would pull a release pin on the bottom mount of each actuator.

One question before I order the 12's. If I only need say 10 or less inches, can I still use the 12 inch actuator? I am not sure how to "figure" what size unit would be best.

Pat

Edit to add: page 5 ownage.....yahoo!

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #162, 12-06-2009 02:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

One question before I order the 12's. If I only need say 10 or less inches, can I still use the 12 inch actuator? I am not sure how to "figure" what size unit would be best.

Pat

Edit to add: page 5 ownage.....yahoo!



It depends upon the location. A custom made frame (as was the case when V8Archie did my fronts) you have room for 10-12" options based upon where the bracket began. The same was the case for the rears, but I wanted maxinum opening so 12" worked just fine. Not knowing your details, I'd think you'd need to have it somewhere near the head lamp buckets where there's a opening underneath the car. As for the rear hatch... I don't know. Like you stated, some type of wire to unlock a pin to the actuators or something?



katatak MSG #163, 12-06-2009 11:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


It depends upon the location. A custom made frame (as was the case when V8Archie did my fronts) you have room for 10-12" options based upon where the bracket began. The same was the case for the rears, but I wanted maxinum opening so 12" worked just fine. Not knowing your details, I'd think you'd need to have it somewhere near the head lamp buckets where there's a opening underneath the car. As for the rear hatch... I don't know. Like you stated, some type of wire to unlock a pin to the actuators or something?


I think I need to do some more measuring and maybe some "mock up" before I order the actuators. Looking at it this am, about the only place for the actuators in front is ahead of the front wall and next to the headlights. I have the measurements of the actuators and I will "mock up" something to resemble the actuator and then see where it will fit - opened and closed. My concern now is that is I mount them that far forward, I may need stronger actuators as they will be lifting the majority of the hood weight. I may need to think about the hinges and thier strength/mounting too. I am thinking that with the actuators that far forward - close to the hinges, instead of lifting the hood, they may just rip the hinges out of thier mounts on the hood. I need to do a lot more thinking on it. Thanks again for all your help Madcurl.

Pat


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #164, 12-06-2009 08:55 PM
      Any pictures of the hood opened?

katatak MSG #165, 12-06-2009 10:03 PM
      I'll post some tomorrow.

FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #166, 12-07-2009 02:58 AM
      Woo hoo finaly finished reading all 5 pages and it 2 am lol.. The car is turning out great I'm just trying to figure out what XTC stands for lol.

Anyway, the car looks awsome, and if I was in ur sons shoes I prolly be killing the battery every night listing to music also lol. I hope I can see it in person some time when move back to Texas in may.

Good luck with your future fiberglass experiances, after reading sofakings thread it doesn't look all to hard..



katatak MSG #167, 12-07-2009 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FallenShadow 2m4:

Woo hoo finaly finished reading all 5 pages and it 2 am lol.. The car is turning out great I'm just trying to figure out what XTC stands for lol.

Anyway, the car looks awsome, and if I was in ur sons shoes I prolly be killing the battery every night listing to music also lol. I hope I can see it in person some time when move back to Texas in may.

Good luck with your future fiberglass experiances, after reading sofakings thread it doesn't look all to hard..



Thanks for the positive feedback. Anytime you are out this way, you are more than welcome to come by. Next summer, we are planning on hitting a few of the Fiero events around Dallas and San Antonio so if you are out that way, come on out and check it out. Not sure what XTC really stands for. The body was origianally made by a company in Florida and now PISA Corp in Phoenix AZ makes them. I've only seen a few around. Not a bad car for a 16 year olds first huh? I have spoiled both my boys rotten!

Pat



katatak MSG #168, 12-07-2009 01:04 PM
      Madcurl,

As promised, here are some pics with the hood up. Tell me what you think! Where should I locate the actuators? Looks like there may be room ahead of the front wheel well on the outside of the frame rail or inboard of the headlight's. Thanks for any insight yu may have. I think I blew a disc just opening the hood to get these shots.....

Pat








Sofa King MSG #169, 12-09-2009 12:04 PM
      P,

I had an idea for the interior - per my PM. Now. Go get to work on it and I want a rough mock up by next monday



katatak MSG #170, 12-09-2009 03:09 PM
      Man you work fast Greg. Now if you could just whip out all the parts in the next day or so, I think I could put it together by Monday....I can not let my 16 year old see this..... I will be on the hook to get it done!

Pat


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #171, 12-09-2009 03:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FallenShadow 2m4:

The car is turning out great I'm just trying to figure out what XTC stands for lol.



XTC = ecstacy

ec⋅sta⋅sy  /ˈɛkstəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ek-stuh-see] Show IPA
Use ecstasy in a Sentence
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–noun, plural -sies. 1. rapturous delight.
2. an overpowering emotion or exaltation; a state of sudden, intense feeling.
3. the frenzy of poetic inspiration.
4. mental transport or rapture from the contemplation of divine things.




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #172, 12-09-2009 03:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Madcurl,

As promised, here are some pics with the hood up. Tell me what you think! Where should I locate the actuators? Looks like there may be room ahead of the front wheel well on the outside of the frame rail or inboard of the headlight's. Thanks for any insight yu may have. I think I blew a disc just opening the hood to get these shots.....

Pat







Yeah, that looks about right. Keep in mind V8Archie used a flat metal plate that was glassed into the hood. The plate helped distribute the weight within the 6 x 8" square metal plate.




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DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #173, 12-09-2009 05:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


XTC = ecstacy



That is how I always pronounced it.......but i think it has something to do with the name of the original designer and builder

Group XTC was owned by a man named Tom Clark. This was the first kit I seriously thought about buying.
The car I bought has the designer and builders name in it's name too...... The DL in DL10 Predator stands for Don Lee and the 10 is what he thought it was on a scale of 1 to 10.

Here's a link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmeWmkr3b8



katatak MSG #174, 12-09-2009 07:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


XTC = ecstacy

ec⋅sta⋅sy  /ˈɛkstəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ek-stuh-see] Show IPA
Use ecstasy in a Sentence
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–noun, plural -sies. 1. rapturous delight.
2. an overpowering emotion or exaltation; a state of sudden, intense feeling.
3. the frenzy of poetic inspiration.
4. mental transport or rapture from the contemplation of divine things.



That fits the car and the fun I have driving it! I honestly never thought of it that way but it fits......Good one RCR!


katatak MSG #175, 12-09-2009 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Yeah, that looks about right. Keep in mind V8Archie used a flat metal plate that was glassed into the hood. The plate helped distribute the weight within the 6 x 8" square metal plate.








Thanks Madcurl, I went back through your build thread and was looking at the way Archie mounted the actuators. I am pretty sure I can mount them in the same spot. I may have to cut some holes and do some welding plus add some more support (piece of plate) to the hood but thanks to you and Archie, I won't be reinventing the "wheel". Big props to you guys for what you do and your willingmess to help and share. I have been informed that I have to wait till after Xmas to get the actuators. I wonder what will be under the tree this year? Thanks again!

Pat


katatak MSG #176, 12-09-2009 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DL10:


That is how I always pronounced it.......but i think it has something to do with the name of the original designer and builder

Group XTC was owned by a man named Tom Clark. This was the first kit I seriously thought about buying.
The car I bought has the designer and builders name in it's name too...... The DL in DL10 Predator stands for Don Lee and the 10 is what he thought it was on a scale of 1 to 10.

Here's a link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmeWmkr3b8


Thanks for the info DL10. All I really know about the original designer/owner is that they were out of Florida. Bloozeberry sent me a pamphlet about the XTC from the origianl manufacturer. There is one for sale on Craigslist in Las Cruses, NM about 40 miles North of here. I am tempted to go take a look at it, but the pics on CL look rough. They are askin 4k for it. I believe that's a little steep for one in that condition but you never know! We certainly do not see any of them around here.

Pat




Sofa King MSG #177, 12-09-2009 09:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Man you work fast Greg. Now if you could just whip out all the parts in the next day or so, I think I could put it together by Monday....I can not let my 16 year old see this..... I will be on the hook to get it done!

Pat


LOL But isn't that what dad's are for?


FallenShadow 2m4 MSG #178, 12-10-2009 12:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


XTC = ecstacy

ec⋅sta⋅sy  /ˈɛkstəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ek-stuh-see] Show IPA
Use ecstasy in a Sentence
See web results for ecstasy
See images of ecstasy
–noun, plural -sies. 1. rapturous delight.
2. an overpowering emotion or exaltation; a state of sudden, intense feeling.
3. the frenzy of poetic inspiration.
4. mental transport or rapture from the contemplation of divine things.



K thx, but the all of the definitions of ecstasy is a lil much. Lol I may be blond but I'm not stupid..

I guess I was to blond to pronounce XTC like ecstasy instead I always pronouced it X-T-C.. Lol my bad..

But hey, I mean even katatak was as much in the dark as I was lol..

Anyway, looking good man.. Keep it up.

Edit to make myself look a little less like a *ss

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katatak MSG #179, 12-26-2009 07:51 PM
      I got some outer dew wipes and remote door locks for my son/XTC for Christmas. The plan was for him to install them on the - kind of a first "on his own" type project. Man was I wrong....lol. Not completely his fault though as we ran into some issues with the driver's door once we got the door panel and outer skin off. First issue was that all the clips on the inside of the door panel are fubar'd. I will have to spend some time with epoxy and maybe some fiberglass to fix it up. I am sure the passenger side is in the same shape. Also the 2 metal clip brackets at the top of the panel were ripped off the panel and then hot glued back on. It looks like when it was installed that the plastic clip did not line up with the hole in the door so the PO pounded on the door panel till the metal bracket caved in. I'll have to peel them off, straighten them out and probably glass them back onto the panel.

This car has no key locks on the doors so there is no way to lock the car. The PO decided that it would be better to disassemble the door lock mechanisim so that the door would never be "accidentally" locked. I have a set of donor doors that I will eventually install on the car but for now, I just want to get the door locks working as my son will start driving this car to school and work next week. We neded up using parts off the donor doors to get these working. There were some other issues with the way the door was mounted that I had to fix before I could do anything else. Most my time spent today was fixing all the little things that were wrong with the drivers door.

Here's what I got accomplished today.

Once I figured out how to use this tool, it makes taking the window handle off way easier:


Door stripped:



Here's a shot of the "craftsmanship" used to put this car together. Not the huge flat washers used on the hinge bolts because too much of the door was cut away to get the hinges to fit. Just one of the little things I will have to fix.


I had to figure out where I was going to mount the actuator for the remote locks. I have seen a few that were mounted in the same area as the factory actuators but they seemed to cause a slight bulge in the door panel. Fortunately on the XTC, the door skins are "deep" enough, I was able to mount the actuator on the outside of the door. This will work out good when I install key locks later on:



Once it was mounted, it was time to wire it. Now I am electrically challenged so it took me a little trial and error to get the wiring ran and routed and tied down.

My first attempt: Not too sanitary!


The final product:


Next on tap was installing the new outer dew wipe. The inner one was pretty well shot too but I have a few spares laying around so I was not too worried. I had a slight advantage with the door stripped but it was still a PITA. The heads of all the screws were rusted and stripped so I had to break out the vice grips and take each one out the slow way. The easiest way to do this was to yank out the old dew wipe so that I could get to the heads of the screws:


Then turn em out a little at a time:


The familiar "DIY_Stu" Dew Wipes:


They go in way easier than they come out and I must say, the fit is perfect:




I had some "spare" inner dew wipes that are in a lot better shape than the originals however, they are hard as a rock. Once the new outer was installed and the "spare" inner was installed, the window was very tight to roll up - more so near the top. I could even hear the inner one cracking. I will be ordering new inner dew wipes on Monday:

The original inner all cracked up:


The spare:


That's it for today. Tomorrow the plan is to finish the Driver side and get started on the Passenger side.

"MCaHNY"

Pat


katatak MSG #180, 12-27-2009 06:43 PM
      Starting off where I left it last night, I managed to get the drivers door nearly complete today. It fought me every step of the way but in the end, I won!

My dilema was the fact that there would be no way to "manually" unlock the doors from outside. If the battery went dead or the remote actuators died, I'd be stuck with no way to get into the car. I spent a lot of time looking at it today. I must have had the outer door skin on and off 2 dozen times.

The first issue to deal with today was the fact that they guy that built this car filled the inside of the door skin with foam. The foam itself did not add a lot of weight and is a good sound deadener but it was full of dirt and the bottom of the door skin weighted about 80 pounds. I used a bg knife and carved out a lot of the foam but I left some in the door for the sound dampening. I found a nice mouse nest and the source of the foul odor in the car.

Lots of foam in the door:


A nice little surprize:


Trimmed out a lot of foam:


Another issue I had to fix on the door skin were the fastners - well nuts. I can not remember what they are called but they are an aluminum well nut that uses a special tool to intstall them - crimps the nut and creates 2 flanges on either side of the panel. These work good in metal panels but they just get loose in fiberglass and make it near impossible to get the bolts out once they get loose. I spent a couple hours today running around to hardware stores and auto parts stores looking for a suitable replacement. I ended up getting some "U" nuts and body bolts. They worked out perfect:


While hunting for the "U" nuts, I found a keyed lock that I thought I could use for my "manual" door unlock. After another dozen or so on and offs of the door skin, I got the keyed lock mounted and devised a way to make it work. It took several attempts but the final setup works perfect. Now if the battery goes dead or the actuators quit working, at least the door can be unlocked with a key. This pic shows my initial attempt to get the key lock to work. I simply bent an "L" in the actuator rod so that the keyed lock arm would make contact and push the rod and assembly to the unlock position. The theory was good but there was too much movement in the assembly and the bent leg of the rod was too long and rubbed the inside of the door skin. Several more attempts of this idea were made until I came up with one that worked. The first one is the only one I took a pic of.


The outside of the keyed lock:


The inside of the keyed lock. The arm strikes a bend I made in the main lock rod and pushes it backwards to unlock the door. It only works for unlocking but it serves the purpose of an "emergency" unlock.


And the last thing I did today was install a new carbon fiber shift knob.


This evening I will epoxy some clip mounts back on the door panel and hopefully tommorow I can finish up the drivers door and get the passenger side on it's way. I suspect I will run into the same problems with foam, well nuts and door panel. I think the wiring will be straight forward.

Pat



katatak MSG #181, 12-27-2009 11:40 PM
      I had to epoxy the metal bracket onto the door panel. I use PC7 and it is a great product. It takes a full 24 hours to set but it is great stuff. I have repaired a lot of showmobile chain cases with this stuff. When it's set, you can drill and tap bolthiles, macine it, etc. It does not like to cure well in the cold though. You have to put some heat to it to get it to cure.

The bracket had been hot glued to the panel and was beat and bent so bad I had to toss it and take one off another door panel. Once I got all the hot glue and crap cleaned off the panel, I mixed up some PC7. I had to get some heat into it just to mix it. Once it was mixed, I spread it on the door panel and placed the bracket. Using a block of wood and a spring clamp, I lamped the bracket to the door panel, applied the heat lamp and will wait till tomorrow evening to install it on the door. I also picked up a couple dozen New OEM door panel pins.

Prepped:


Mixing the epoxy:


Nice and warm and ready to use:


Spread out on the door panel:


Bracket in place:


And clamped down till cured:


Add some heat to speed up the cure:


And some new pins:


Happy New Year!

Pat


katatak MSG #182, 12-28-2009 06:12 PM
      More of the same today. Managed to finish the driver door and the passenger door. Got the remotes wired up and everything is working great. The passenger door gave me some major fits. The rod from the outside handle to the door mechanisim was all fubar'd. I had to remanufacture a new one. The dew wipe was a piece of cake. I had the same problem with the passenger door panel. The metal brackets were bent and hot glued on - it was a mess. Got it in the shop epoxied up and curing.

Once the door panel is done, I'm done with the XTC. Any future work will be done by my 16 year old. He has a lot still to do and I'll help him along the way. While working on it today, we discovered that it will be neediong an exhaust system in the near future. He wants to get that done before it goes for paint. Now maybe I can get back to work on my V8 project.

Pat


katatak MSG #183, 01-16-2010 08:05 PM
      Son blew up the motor today! We'll be swaping in something new in the next few weeks.

katatak MSG #184, 01-17-2010 06:51 PM
      The next installment of the rehab will be a 4.9 swap. After a lot of reading and searching, I have decided to put a 4.9 in the XTC. the 2 main reasons are number 1, local support - I have 2 good friends that have been there and are pretty good wrenches and number 2, availability of motor/trans. It looks like no matter what motor I go with, the cost will be close to the same - the 3800SC is a little more money and they are hard to come by locally. I will be pciking up the motor and trans next weekend. We will start the tear down this week. Hopefully we will be driving it by March?

Stay tuned!

Pat



matthewc (matthew.carley@worldnet.att.net) MSG #185, 01-19-2010 06:16 PM
      Ouch, sorry to hear about the setback but, just think about how much more bad ass the car will be with a 4.9 in it I would love to look at doing a swap like that at some point in the future with my F40. Still trying to figure out the route I want to go with the drive train though.

Matt


Rick 88 MSG #186, 01-19-2010 06:55 PM
      I know you son won't like it, but there is an 88 rebuilt Duke listed in the mall for $300.00 posted by coolguyfish.

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katatak MSG #187, 01-19-2010 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

I know you son won't like it, but there is an 88 rebuilt Duke listed in the mall for $300.00 posted by coolguyfish.



Thaks Rick - I'd be in the dog house big time as the wheels are already in motion for the 4.9 swap. Once it's finished, and if it's too much for Chris to handle, I may keep it for myself and give him the Formula. Hope he does not read this post......lol

Pat



katatak MSG #188, 01-19-2010 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by matthewc:

Ouch, sorry to hear about the setback but, just think about how much more bad ass the car will be with a 4.9 in it I would love to look at doing a swap like that at some point in the future with my F40. Still trying to figure out the route I want to go with the drive train though.

Matt


Thanks for the reply. I want to put an F40 in my 86 V8 Coupe. I will make it happen but that will most likely be next year.


katatak MSG #189, 01-21-2010 07:39 PM
      Spent the afternoon roaming the mega pull for swap parts. Found a couple donor vans for the needed axles and a 85 Fiero with a 4 spd that I will pull the axles out of. They had 14-92 - 95 Caddy's with 4.9's so there is an abundance of pieces and parts should I need them. The guy that checks all the parts going out has a 88 Fiero with an Alante motor in it. I've been chating with him back and forth for months. When I talked to him today and told him what I was up to, he told me that any parts I needed for the swap would be "Gratis"! Of course I'll have to help him do some suspension work on his 88 but my labor is cheap.

Does anyone know if the brackets, alternatrs, etc from the 4.5's will fit the 4.9's? There are 11 - 90 and back with 4.5's. I'll be heading North Saturday AM to pick up the motor and trans and what ever other goodies I can get my buddy to part with. I was dreading this swap but have spent the last few days pouring over build threads and swap articles and now have a pretty good feeling about it. It should go well and will be a great learning experience for me and my 16 year old son. I have decided that he will do most the work while I sit in the lawn chair, drink beer and stupidvise the swap. Stay tuned.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #190, 01-22-2010 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Spent the afternoon roaming the mega pull for swap parts. Found a couple donor vans for the needed axles and a 85 Fiero with a 4 spd that I will pull the axles out of. They had 14-92 - 95 Caddy's with 4.9's so there is an abundance of pieces and parts should I need them. The guy that checks all the parts going out has a 88 Fiero with an Alante motor in it. I've been chating with him back and forth for months. When I talked to him today and told him what I was up to, he told me that any parts I needed for the swap would be "Gratis"! Of course I'll have to help him do some suspension work on his 88 but my labor is cheap.

Does anyone know if the brackets, alternatrs, etc from the 4.5's will fit the 4.9's? There are 11 - 90 and back with 4.5's. I'll be heading North Saturday AM to pick up the motor and trans and what ever other goodies I can get my buddy to part with. I was dreading this swap but have spent the last few days pouring over build threads and swap articles and now have a pretty good feeling about it. It should go well and will be a great learning experience for me and my 16 year old son. I have decided that he will do most the work while I sit in the lawn chair, drink beer and stupidvise the swap. Stay tuned.

Pat


If you accidentally come back with that 3.4 you were telling me about, I wouldn't mind a bit. How about a V6 Getrag bellhousing while you are up there too?


katatak MSG #191, 01-22-2010 06:17 PM
      Making a list Rick. We will see what the weather does by the AM. May be going Sunday instead.

Rick 88 MSG #192, 01-23-2010 06:10 PM
      Maybe a whole rebuildable Getrag? I want to experiment with one, and my "export" gearbox. Maybe make a combo of the two using gearing from both.

katatak MSG #193, 01-23-2010 10:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Maybe a whole rebuildable Getrag? I want to experiment with one, and my "export" gearbox. Maybe make a combo of the two using gearing from both.


Hey Rick,

I got your voice mail. I left my phone in the office and did not pick it up till I left town at 5:30 am this morning. I almost called you but thought I'd better not. Anyway, I checked and he does not have a getrag. He does have an Izuzsu but I was pretty sure that would not work for what you want to do. I'm sure we can find one that needs rebuilding. Been home for about an hour. Got a trailer load of parts and I need to sort em out before the weather gets nasty. It's blowing like crazy on this side of town. I'll give you a call in tomorrow.

Pat


katatak MSG #194, 01-23-2010 10:45 PM
      Just got back from picking up some swap parts for the XTC. Thanks Phil for all your help!

Ok, Here's a teaser:



In order to make the wife happy, I had to do a little sight seeing on the way home. I had her talked into just stopping at the Casino for a few hours but at the last minute, she changed her mind. Here's a few shots of our trip home.

Some old Mission/ruins:



San Andreas Mtns - Just North of Las Cruces, NM


And the res of the teasers:




Now the work starts.


katatak MSG #195, 01-24-2010 04:16 PM
      I had to do some organizing this morning so I can start the 4.9 swap. Unfortunately, I will be doing this one outside. At least the weather will be warming up in the next few weeks. I had to clean out the garage so I would at least have room to store and later assemble the 4.9 on the cradle.

Moving the beast:



Organizing the garage:


Resting place until I can get the cradle out and ready for the swap:


OMG - What did I get myself into?

Actually, the guy I got the motor from was already in the process of setting up for a Fiero swap. He has the harness already to lay out in the car. Everything is labled as to where it goes/connects to so I think it will be pretty straight forward. I have to say that I can not imagine having to do this from scratch. I have a new found respect for all of those folks that have "been there - done that". I truly appreciate all the hard work and thier willingness to share all the info needed to do this swap. I would never even think about attempting this if it had not already been done - Thanks to all you Pioneers.

And a parting shot for my own inspriation!


Pat


katatak MSG #196, 01-24-2010 04:34 PM
      So here's my check list of what I need for parts and a to do list. I will update this as I go through it.

Parts/Stuff to gather up:
2 - Outer M/T Fiero axle ends. - On thier way
2 - Lumina APV/Silhouette/Transport axles - Located and will pick them up this week.
1 - Flowmaster 1 in, 2 out muffler - on hand.
Misc. Exhaust pipe/pieces/hangers/tips
Front Motor Mount pieces and parts
Trans Mounts
Solder and heat shrink - related wiring goodies
Idler pulley/belt pieces & parts
V6 Fuel Pump

To Do:
Remove the Duke - Toss the Duke
Clean up the cradle.
Set the 4.9 on the cradle - build the front mounts
Get the ECM Chip programmed????????
Figure out the AC
Figure out the idler pulley pieces and parts - install belt
assemble the axles - check for fit up.
Mock up the exhaust - tack all the pieces together
Test fit it in the car - adjust the exhaust
Pull it out, weld up the exhaust, tear it down for cleaning and painting reassemble, install back in car.
Hook up the coolant lines, fuel lines, AC lines, oil cooler, etc.
Start the wiring process - now I may take a tip from Sanderson and mock up a "firewall" out of plywood and work on the harness while the engine/cradle is still out of the car. It will be a PITA to do this with it installed in the car. I know there are things that I am missing and I'll take care of those when I run into them.

More to come.

Pat

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #197, 01-24-2010 05:15 PM
      Hey Pat,
Here are a few pictures for you.
The Donor.







1992 Cadillac Sedan Deville. 84010 miles.


katatak MSG #198, 01-24-2010 06:37 PM
      Thanks for the pics Phil. Looking into the chip reprogram. Stickpony says he is the only one doing them now.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #199, 01-25-2010 04:40 PM
      Two V8 Fiero's in the same household.......I see a pattern developing here.

katatak MSG #200, 01-25-2010 11:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Two V8 Fiero's in the same household.......I see a pattern developing here.


It's a disease with no cure.


Sofa King MSG #201, 01-26-2010 08:38 AM
      Hey P,

Just read the updates. So the Casino trip didn't work out. Let's hope the gamble with the new engine pans out! Isn't it fun though? You get a new "toy" and then you have to clean the garage? I never understood that. Lifes little mysteries I guesss?


katatak MSG #202, 01-26-2010 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey P,

Just read the updates. So the Casino trip didn't work out. Let's hope the gamble with the new engine pans out! Isn't it fun though? You get a new "toy" and then you have to clean the garage? I never understood that. Lifes little mysteries I guesss?


It's a never ending cycle Greg. New toy, clean the garage, rebuild a toy, clean the garage and on and on. Got more "great" news today from work. Looks like I'll be out of town for all of February. At least they are going to let me go home on the weekends but I won't get much done trying to recooperate and then regroup for the next week. It would not bother me but the first week will be in Pueblo crawling around on the tracks then the second week in Omaha - what can I say - it's Omaha in February. Then i get to come home for a 3 day weekend just to turn around and go back to Omaha for 3 days then off to Wyoming for the last week.


Sofa King MSG #203, 01-27-2010 08:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


It's a never ending cycle Greg. New toy, clean the garage, rebuild a toy, clean the garage and on and on. Got more "great" news today from work. Looks like I'll be out of town for all of February. At least they are going to let me go home on the weekends but I won't get much done trying to recooperate and then regroup for the next week. It would not bother me but the first week will be in Pueblo crawling around on the tracks then the second week in Omaha - what can I say - it's Omaha in February. Then i get to come home for a 3 day weekend just to turn around and go back to Omaha for 3 days then off to Wyoming for the last week.


Let me get this straight... you'll be in Omaha in February? Isn't that like being in he!! with a winter coat and ear muffs?


katatak MSG #204, 01-27-2010 09:18 PM
      Got some much needed parts inthe mail today. Thanks to member Bizziedude! I now have the outer Fiero M/T axle stubs for the swap. Should have the Silhouette axles on Friday. Plan is to drop the Duke out Saturday if it is not snowing! Moving forward!

katatak MSG #205, 01-27-2010 09:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Let me get this straight... you'll be in Omaha in February? Isn't that like being in he!! with a winter coat and ear muffs?


I do not want to upset any of the fine Fiero folks that live in Nebraska - I like the country but simply because the home office is in Omaha, Greg, you are 100% correct. It's a deep dark hole that I have to frequent on ocaision so that the higher ups have someone to whip on. Hell with ear muffs on is a good description.


katatak MSG #206, 01-29-2010 02:13 PM
      So I get up this morning and felt 1 year older.....Another year has passed, I gained some more gray hair and what's the first thing I do? At about 8:00 am, it was 30* out and we had a sciff of snow. I put on my insulated coveralls and headed for the junk yard - I took the day off due it being my Birthday and the first thing on my mind is my Fiero's - It's a terrible disease with no cure!

My plan was to snag a couple axles out of a silhouette that I had scoped out earlier in the week. I loaded all me tools in the mega pull wheel barrow and headed out to the yard. I was prepared for a whole day of cussing and knuckle busting. Much to my delight, the drivers side was dismantled and all I had to do was pop the axle out. Then I lumped on the passenger side. It took all of 30 minutes to tear it down and pop out the axle. While I was there, I picked up some hood vents for my V8 project. I got out the gate for 20.00........ Happy Birthday to me!

The Donor:


Hmmm... How am I going to brake this axle nut loose?


Nothing a big crow bar can't handle:


Will it come out easy or will it fight me all he way?


At home on the bench with the Fiero M/T axle stubs:


Hope I got the right ones. I was expecting both sides to have the "male" axle stub. The Driver side has a "female" stub!


More later!

Pat

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katatak MSG #207, 01-29-2010 07:50 PM
      Did a little more with the axles this afternoon. Got the outer stub off one axle, cleaned up he axle and installed a new CV boot and the Fiero M/T stub. Just need to fill it up with grease and install the clamps.

Slimy



Cleaned up:


Fiero M/T Stub slid tight on:


Gave it a little tap on one end and the clip popped into place:


Could not be any easier!

More tomorrow.

Pat



katatak MSG #208, 01-31-2010 03:46 PM
      Tearing it apart!






katatak MSG #209, 01-31-2010 03:53 PM
      I cleaned up the other axle and cleaned out the Fiero M/T axle stub.



Went to the Mega Pull and scored some more parts:


Sofa King MSG #210, 01-31-2010 05:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I do not want to upset any of the fine Fiero folks that live in Nebraska - I like the country but simply because the home office is in Omaha, Greg, you are 100% correct. It's a deep dark hole that I have to frequent on ocaision so that the higher ups have someone to whip on. Hell with ear muffs on is a good description.


Hey P,

I wasn't implying that Omaha isn't a nice place... I was refering to the weather. Isn't cold this time of year?


katatak MSG #211, 01-31-2010 06:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey P,

I wasn't implying that Omaha isn't a nice place... I was refering to the weather. Isn't cold this time of year?


I know Greg...Just had to throw out that disclaimer....lol I'd hate to be run down by a Fiero in the downtown streets of Omaha next week... Yes it is cold and snowy there this time of year. I believe they have more snow oin the ground now than in recent past years. I like it there - ust not in February! It's too bad that the "new year" does not happen in September! I love it there inthe Fall.

Pat



katatak MSG #212, 01-31-2010 07:19 PM
      So after reading countless 4.9 swap threads, I decided to "hedge" my bets and I picked up 8 extra injectors at the mega pull this morning. Following a couple other 4.9 threads, I decided that I should make sure that my injectors are clean and in good working condition before I plug the motor in the car and try to fire it up. So along with the ones in the mortor, I wanted to have a few extra's in case one or more of the original ones in my motor are bad, stuck, leaking, etc.

I got these off of a 91 Deville with a 4.9. I took the injector rack and the injectors together. What I noticed is that there was one injector that is different from the rest - replacement maybe? I have been trying to learn about injectors and I am learning a lot but I do not think it's a good thing to mix injector types. From what I read, the 4.9 uses a "disc" style injector. This one odd ball is a "pintle" type.


So anyway, I hooked each one up to an injector plug and then to 12 volts to make sure I could hear / feel them click. I also put a 5/16 fuel line on the inlet side and blew air through them with power applied. I was able to blow through 5 of the 8. One , when I touched the positive lead to the 12 volt feed clicked then smoked! Dead - goner! Another one did not click at all.

Here's all my injector checking stuff:

The high tech filter removing tool:

Dry rotted O Rings and old filters:

I was rummaging through my box of Fiero fuel injector stuf and found that I had a complet set, still mounted in the Fiero injector manifold, that look very similar to the Caddy injectors - numbers are different though but I have several other sets of V6 injectors and thay are different than the Caddy ones? I'll have to do some digging to see what is up here.

Here's one of the V6 Injectors:


I'm going to post my questions about the difference between Pintle and Disc style injectors over in Tech. See if some of the experts can tell me what's up here.

More later.

Pat


Icelander (whit@dubhlinn.com) MSG #213, 02-01-2010 01:47 AM
      I took a set of Ford injectors to these guys when the shop told me the mis-fire was a bad injector. They were completely wrong and it cost me less than $100 to get all the injectors cleaned and measured as opposed to the $250+ each it would have cost to replace them.

http://www.witchhunter.com/

They've got a good write-up on the realities of EFI maintenance.



revin MSG #214, 02-01-2010 10:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:




Nothin like a little bit of crystle light to clean up that greese!! I hear the lemon flavor gets the rust off! Oh and the blueberry is great for staining the dash !

haha just had to say it......


Sofa King MSG #215, 02-01-2010 11:56 AM
      You've been busy!

The Crystal Light is a great talking point. Nuthin better than working on cars, gettin yer hands dirty, talking bout women and chuggin down and ice cold Crystal Light. Oh yeah... he's married.

I kid I kid...


katatak MSG #216, 02-01-2010 09:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Icelander:

I took a set of Ford injectors to these guys when the shop told me the mis-fire was a bad injector. They were completely wrong and it cost me less than $100 to get all the injectors cleaned and measured as opposed to the $250+ each it would have cost to replace them.

http://www.witchhunter.com/

They've got a good write-up on the realities of EFI maintenance.



Thanks for link and info - great info/reading.

Pat




katatak MSG #217, 02-01-2010 09:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Nothin like a little bit of crystle light to clean up that greese!! I hear the lemon flavor gets the rust off! Oh and the blueberry is great for staining the dash !

haha just had to say it......


ROFLMAO.....Yep.... The Strawberry eats grease. I'll have to try that Blueberry dash stain........


katatak MSG #218, 02-01-2010 09:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

You've been busy!

The Crystal Light is a great talking point. Nuthin better than working on cars, gettin yer hands dirty, talking bout women and chuggin down and ice cold Crystal Light. Oh yeah... he's married.

I kid I kid...


Easy now....Remember that there is a 16 year old doing this project. I took the pic of "his" work area. What you don't see is the cooler full of beer sitting next to the lawn chair I am sitting in........ I'll have to get a shot of that this weekend.....

Pat

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Sofa King MSG #219, 02-02-2010 11:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Easy now....Remember that there is a 16 year old doing this project. I took the pic of "his" work area. What you don't see is the cooler full of beer sitting next to the lawn chair I am sitting in........ I'll have to get a shot of that this weekend.....

Pat



LOL! Barking out orders no less "... tighten that bolt... crimp that wire..."


katatak MSG #220, 02-02-2010 10:01 PM
      Well here I sit in Pueblo and I get a phone call from the homestead. Seems the Code Compliance Nazi's paid my little Hacienda a visit today and gave me a warning about working on my car in the driveway. Seems that sitting on jack stands with the tires removed is a code violation. Hmmm... But it's ok for the neighbor to leave his broke down suburban with no motor in it parked facing the wrong direction on the street? Oh yeah - it's registered in Mexico too! Maybe if I put it up on cinderblocks and put 13" true spokes on it with fuzzy balls hanging around the windshiled it will pass inspection. Looks like the XTC will not get worked on till I can find a shop to buy or lease.

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Icelander (whit@dubhlinn.com) MSG #221, 02-02-2010 10:40 PM
      Tell the Ghestapo to stick it in their ear. Set the car on cinder blocks, put the wheels on (just so the wheels look like their on the ground) and tell them that the car is functional except for an engine.


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #222, 02-03-2010 01:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Well here I sit in Pueblo and I get a phone call from the homestead. Seems the Code Compliance Nazi's paid my little Hacienda a visit today and gave me a warning about working on my car in the driveway. Seems that sitting on jack stands with the tires removed is a code violation. Hmmm... But it's ok for the neighbor to leave his broke down suburban with no motor in it parked facing the wrong direction on the street? Oh yeah - it's registered in Mexico too! Maybe if I put it up on cinderblocks and put 13" true spokes on it with fuzzy balls hanging around the windshiled it will pass inspection. Looks like the XTC will not get worked on till I can find a shop to buy or lease.



You've got it easy, the driveway Nazis once told me I couldn't take the interior door panel off a truck for 15 minuted and set it against the truck while I worked on the power locks, then they tried make small talk and told me they knew cars and the fiero was really a 300ZX


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #223, 02-03-2010 11:23 AM
      I have a few sets of 2.8 injectors if needed for your research.
Moving day is March 5th! I just found out I have similar restrictions at the new house. No cars outside or maintanace outside the garage! Time to build!


Rick 88 MSG #224, 02-03-2010 12:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Well here I sit in Pueblo and I get a phone call from the homestead. Seems the Code Compliance Nazi's paid my little Hacienda a visit today and gave me a warning about working on my car in the driveway. Seems that sitting on jack stands with the tires removed is a code violation. Hmmm... But it's ok for the neighbor to leave his broke down suburban with no motor in it parked facing the wrong direction on the street? Oh yeah - it's registered in Mexico too! Maybe if I put it up on cinderblocks and put 13" true spokes on it with fuzzy balls hanging around the windshiled it will pass inspection. Looks like the XTC will not get worked on till I can find a shop to buy or lease.



Pat, if you set the car back on the ground and make it look driveable, you should be ok when you are not actively working on it. You can also put a car cover over it and that should keep them happy. Probably just a cranky neighbor. I had mine up on a scissors jack when I had the alternator out. but I looked fine since I had the tires mounted and lowered the jack to ride height.


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #225, 02-03-2010 03:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Easy now....Remember that there is a 16 year old doing this project. I took the pic of "his" work area. What you don't see is the cooler full of beer sitting next to the lawn chair I am sitting in........ I'll have to get a shot of that this weekend.....

Pat



Pshh, he got it easy! I'm doing all the work AND paying for all of it with my "swap".


katatak MSG #226, 02-04-2010 01:05 AM
      I just have a hard time accepting thatsome clown that I pay for through the rediculous taxes, can tell me what I can and can't do on my own property. I know that it is designed to keep neighborhoods from looking like junk yards - and in El Paso, it would not take long before that would happen, but they should give you more than 24 hours. The compliance nazi told my son if it were not off the jack stands with the tires back on, they would give me a fine and/or have the car towed away. I corrected the problem by following the rules. Put the tires back on and set it back on the ground. My only problem now is when I go to do the swap. I do not have room in the garage to do it. It will have to be done in the driveway. I think I'll get another cradle and get it all setup. Then maybe I can drop out the old and stuff in the new, get the tires on it and set back down before the nazi's roll by! I wonder if I put up my portable garage in the driveway if I can get away with it? Maybe worth a try!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #227, 02-04-2010 11:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Well here I sit in Pueblo and I get a phone call from the homestead. Seems the Code Compliance Nazi's paid my little Hacienda a visit today and gave me a warning about working on my car in the driveway. Seems that sitting on jack stands with the tires removed is a code violation. Hmmm... But it's ok for the neighbor to leave his broke down suburban with no motor in it parked facing the wrong direction on the street? Oh yeah - it's registered in Mexico too! Maybe if I put it up on cinderblocks and put 13" true spokes on it with fuzzy balls hanging around the windshiled it will pass inspection. Looks like the XTC will not get worked on till I can find a shop to buy or lease.



WOW... My advice, unless you're friends with your neighbors, take pics of the other car and anything else that might be questionable or what can be contrude as a visial irritant. You might have a case against the HOA. I've lived in several neighborhoods with HOAs and they're just horrible.


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #228, 02-04-2010 01:47 PM
      It might not be the hoa, it might have been the cities code enforcement.

katatak MSG #229, 02-05-2010 08:50 PM
      Jim is correct - City Code enforcement. It was not a complaining neighbor. Found out to day, they Code Enforcement bunch is doing a "blitz" in my area. The Suburban parked the wrong way in the street is out of thier jurisdiction? It's a "traffic" violation. So it gets to sti in the street. It seems that the only violation is a car on jack stands. As long as it is on the ground with tires, it's OK. Even if all the tires are flat and the car is a wreck? If it is on jack stands and I am in the "act" of repairing the vehicle, it's OK but only for the time I am actually working on it. I think it's time to build that 10 foot rock wall and a solid iron gate.



katatak MSG #230, 02-05-2010 09:19 PM
      I spent the week in Pueblo, CO. I took a few fuel injectors with me to "play" with in the hotel after work. I'm still trying to find out what the difference is between the Disc type and the Pintle type injector. Can't seem to find a good definitive answer on which is better and/or if mixing them makes a difference. I'll keep digging. I did manage to get these pretty clean. I still think I'll try the Ultrasonic cleaner on them.

And without the flash:


Of course having a Giant Mobile Ultrasonic Machine helps......


A few scenic shots form my fun in Pueblo:

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katatak MSG #231, 02-06-2010 11:09 PM
      Spent the day running around gathering parts and things. I am building an Injector test / cleaner thingie so A lot of time was spent at Lowes, Radio Shack and Autozone. Started some of the assembly but still have a way to go. Maybe finished tomorrow and can start testing/cleaning injectors. I also went to the junk yard and picked up some valve cover bolts, N* injectors for testing the tester thingie and a single injector coupler from a N* for the tester thingie. This afternoon, I pivked up a 88 Cradle to build the 4.9 on - hope to make the swap easier/quicker and it keep the car on the ground and the code Nazi's away.

The cradle is in pretty good shape. It has a small bent area on the crossmember and some craking at the trans mount. I'll straighten it up, weld the cracks and give it some paint.


My junk yard goodies:


And my injector tester thingie so far:


More later

Pat


katatak MSG #232, 02-07-2010 12:55 AM
      Managed to get some more work done on my injector tester thingie. It's definitely heavy duty but I used what I had laying around the shop. Just have to get the wiring harness done and I can start testing and cleaning injectors.






katatak MSG #233, 02-07-2010 03:57 PM
      Finished my injector tester thingie and played around with a few injectors today.











Got to learn some more about Injectors!



katatak MSG #234, 02-07-2010 04:01 PM
      I set the motor/trans up on the cradle - trying to get a visual for the mounts

Stock Caddy Trans mount:


Need to do some triming once the mounts are complete:


The rear side bracket - need to get the Fiero mount:



Just sitting there:



That's it for today - got to get ready for the game!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #235, 02-12-2010 01:33 PM
      Hey P,

Nice to see you're making progress. Love the injector tests. I've never seen that before.


katatak MSG #236, 02-12-2010 04:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Hey P,

Nice to see you're making progress. Love the injector tests. I've never seen that before.


Hey Greg,

I'd rather be woking on some interior pieces but I got to get the grease monkey project out of the way. Not sure I'm doing myself any good with the injector testing but I'm learning something.... You can teach an old dog new tricks! Should make some good progress this weekend on the swap. I hope to get the mounts finished up and the belt assembly done. Next weekend I plan to build the exhaust - or at least get it mocked up. Work is crazy busy so I only have the weekends for the next month or so. Work sure throws a wrench in my plans!

Pat


katatak MSG #237, 02-13-2010 11:06 PM
      Managed to get some fitup done on the cradle/engine today. I was having a hard time till Frizlefrak brought his 4.9 Coupe over so I could take some measurements. I got the trans mounts done and will start on the engine mounts in the AM. I had some things to fix on the cradle so I pulled the motor back off and worked on the cradle.

Trans mounts done:



The cradle I picked up had a little bend to it - looks like somone tried to drag it with a chain or strap.

Before:

After:


There were some cracks in the trans mount - welded the cracks from both sides then smoothed out the top:


Prepped and welded the trans pan notch:


Had to remove some old e brake cables:


Boxed in a notch for the trans valve body cover:


Once I get everything mounted and welded, I'll sand blast it and give it a good coat of paint. Hope to have it done and ready to go in the car by Monday.

Pat

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Sofa King MSG #238, 02-14-2010 12:42 PM
      Holy cr@p, batman!!!! Welding, injector test, fiberglassing???? Is there anything you can't do???? I'm impressed!!!!

Sofa King MSG #239, 02-14-2010 02:07 PM
      Holy cr@p, batman!!!! Welding, injector test, fiberglassing???? Is there anything you can't do???? I'm impressed!!!!

Tony Kania MSG #240, 02-14-2010 04:22 PM
      Pat, your are becoming so multi taletented, that Sofa King had to say it twice! Thanks for keeping this thread updated. It is a fun one to watch.

katatak MSG #241, 02-14-2010 06:10 PM
      Thanks for the positive replies Greg / Tony. I need to go to work for Archie.....lol! I don't think my welding and glass skills would hold up in Archies world. I do alright for a old - fat man. The welds are not pretty but I know I have penetration. Nothing a little grinding and paint can't hide.

Pat

Weeeeee........ Page 7 owned!

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katatak MSG #242, 02-14-2010 06:27 PM
      So today I had to tackle the front motor mounts. Man what an ordeal - actually it was not that bad - just time consuming trying to figure it all out, cutting, drilling, tacking, starting over a few times, etc. etc. I did manage to get all the mounts done and the motor is now sitting on the cradle - secured! Tomorrow I will pull the motor back off the cradle and finish the welding, cleaning and give the cradle a coat of paint. Hopefully I'll have the motor back on and bolted down for the last time. I did not get as far as I wanted to. I was also hoping to get the pulleys and belt finsihed this weekend too. Next weekend I guess.

Once I got the motor sitting square and somewhat level, I noticed that there was not much clearance for the tripod. I was a little worried till I stuffed the Silhouette axle in the trans. The tripod on those are a bit smaller than the Caddy's. I setup the front mounts so that I can shim them if I need to bring the nose up some.


One side coming together. I could not find any 3" angle anywhere so I am using 2". It sets a little high on the cradle but I will put some gussets on the back side.

And set in place with a few welds - will have to pull the motor off to finish a few gussets and weld.


I have read all the threads and seen several different versions of mounts for this side. I decided to use part of the stock Caddy mount bracket and fab up the rest. In the end, I am pretty happy with the results. I now have very solid mounts on all 4 corners. I don't think I'll need a torque strut.

Building it up:


Sitting on it's mounts, bolted down:








All that cutting, grinding and welding and not one fire was started........... More later.

Pat

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katatak MSG #243, 02-15-2010 06:37 PM
      I pulled the motor off the cradle this morning and got all the final welding done on the cradle, blsated it and then gave it a few coats of Rustoleum. It's amazing how good these cradles look when they are clean and fresh. While I was welding on the cradle, the Compliance Nazi stopped by to tell me that a neighbor was complaining about me working on my car in the driveway. I hag them beat this time. The motor was hanging from the hoist sitting in the driveway and I was welding in the garage. The Nazi said there was nothing wrong with the notor sitting in the driveway but if I had been working on it, he could have fined me? This makes no sense to me at all. You can stack all the junk cars and parts you want in your driveway, just can;t work on them?

Anyway, then he said that where I had the XTC parked was against code - the front tires were in the rocks in my front yard and the back tires were in the driveway. No parking in the rocks? He started to get snotty with me and was going to write me a citation. I suggested that he get his pen warmed up cause from where I was standing, I could see 13 more cars parked in the rocks in front yards on my street. Plus the broke down suburban parked facing the wrong way sitting on a jack in the street. He backed off and thanked me for my calm demeaner in the matter.

10 minutes later, a Traffic Officer showed up down the street looking at the Suburban. Next thing I know he is walking down the street towards my house. I had my Durango and the boys Mustang parked in the street - nose in toward the driveway. He wlks up to me in the garage and proceeds to tell me that he is going around the neighborhood giving warnings to everyone that is parked illegally on the street and in the rocks in the front yard. He just walked past 9 cars sitting in the rocks? Then he tells me that the Durango and the Mustang are parked illegally - they must be paralell to the curb. Hmm... I can see 4 other cars on the street parked the same way. I made it a point to "point" all of them out and asked if he was going to be fair and give every car on the street a warning? He said that I had benn warned and if he had to come back, he would write citations. I then watched him walk back down the street past all the toher illegally parked cars, get in his cruiser and drive away. No get this. The next door neighbor has his big 4X4 truck parked in the rocks between my house and his. - He's a cop? It's ok for him but not for me? I thought we lived in the land of the free? So I spent the day getting my cars moved around and parked legally, Made room in the garage to be able to do some work in there and then started calling the Compliance Nazi's to "complain" about all the other illegaly parked cars on the street. If they can take the time to beat on my door, they can take the time to beat on everyone elses door. Fair is fair! Ok, Rant Off!

On with the pics......

Welded, Cleaned and ready for the motor:



Setting it back on the cradle:


All bolted down for the last time:


I spent some time taking off the un needed water lines and the Caddy tensioner pulley. Looks like I am going to have to lease a shop and move some of the projects so I can work on them. Just more time and money...... More later.

Pat


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #244, 02-19-2010 11:02 PM
      Sounds like your neighbour is an a**hole. Great work on the swap so far though!

katatak MSG #245, 02-20-2010 01:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Sounds like your neighbour is an a**hole. Great work on the swap so far though!


Yep... Neighbor is a A**Hole. I'll get even....lol. Thanks for the positive reply.

Pat



Sofa King MSG #246, 02-22-2010 10:06 AM
      P,

Will you be cleaning the engine? The cradle looks awesome all nice and clean - what about the engine?


katatak MSG #247, 02-23-2010 07:57 PM
      Hey Greg,

Yes we will do a quick swab of the engine - not too crazy but we will clean it up a bit. I will put on valve cover gaskets, pan gaskets, front seal and new H20 Pump before we stuff it in the car. Ordered the Fuel Injector service kit today. I need to make one more trip to the mega pull to get a few AC compressor brackets we are missing then I can setup the tensioner and install the belt. Over the next few days, I will be putting the front suspension back under my Monte so I can move it out of the garage - got to make room for the XTC so the compliance Nazis will leave me alone. Should be full speed ahead starting this weekend. I really need to get this done.

Pat


katatak MSG #248, 02-26-2010 08:11 PM
      Well I know this is not exactly Fiero related but I have to get this done so I can get the XTC in the garage and start the swap. I got the front suspension back under the Monte and will be moving it out of the garage in the AM. I needed to get something done on the Monte anyway so the XTC swap and the El Paso Code Compliance Nazi's forced me to get some work done on the Monte.

Now don't flame me for sticking the old rusty springs in there - it's temporary. The plan is for some Hotchkiss resto rod lowering springs - this is just to be able to move it into the back yard.



More tomorrow!

Pat

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katatak MSG #249, 02-27-2010 07:48 PM
      Got a lot done today - even after taking a few hours to meet up with the El Paso Fiero nuts for lunch. I got all the suspension and steering parts installed in the Monte and got it out of the garage - Yay!



Then we cleaned out the garage and moved the XTC in.



Now I have to say that I am feeing pretty lucky. Before we moved the XTC, I asked my 16 year old - "did you put the axle nuts back on before you put the tires/wheels back on"? He says "yep - sure did". So we get ready to move the car and I ask home again - again he says yes. And away we go. Pushed it out in the street, turned it around and shoved her up in the garage. All is good! When I jack up the car to put the stands under it - guess what happens?





The passenger side is just about ready to fall off! Lesson learned? Check to make sure the axle nuts are on myself! I sure am glad the hub did not come of out in the middle of the street! Could have been ugly. Will be pulling the Duke tomorrow!

Pat


katatak MSG #250, 03-07-2010 01:05 AM
      Dan (Frizlefrak) and Jeff stopped by this afternoon after we spent most the day driving from El Paso to Mesilla for a lunch run. I must have missed the memo about "Fiero's Optional". Everyone else drove a Vette. I was the only Fiero in the bunch - so I had to lead them up there....lol.

Anyway, with the help of Dan and Jeff, we got the duke dropped out and sitting on the floor. We'll drag it out from under the car in the am and get it out of the way. Going to strip down the Duke as it has a lot of new parts on it. The trans was working great too so we'll take it to our favorite trans shop and donate it for some goodwill. I'll be keeping the 88 cradle and I plan on using it in the V8 Coupe when I swap in the 383 and 6 speed - it will be great to get the rear suspension upgraded at the same time.

Not too many pics today - once we got started, I forgot about the camera. I'll get a bunch tomorrow.

Photo op on our Fiero run today - note all the beater Vettes?


Getting ready to drop the Duke!


More tomorrow.

Pat


katatak MSG #251, 03-07-2010 05:33 PM
      Got a lot done today. We got the Duke drug out and stripped down. I forgot how many new parts I had installed on the old girl. I'll be posting a bunch up in the Mall in a week or so. After we stripped the motor and removed it from the cradle, we tossed it in the trailer and hauled it off to the junkyard - even tossed out an old 2.8 that has been in my way since the "Ol Yeller" days. I just wanted to drop em off but I ended up getting 150.00 in credit at the Mega Pull. That will help with some more odds and ends that we will need to finish the swap.

Stripping off all the goodies:



Engine/trans off the cradle:



I now have a 88 cradle to swap into my V8 Coupe:


Stripped and ready for the junk yard:



I put a breaker bar with socket on the crank bolt and then a long pipe and tried to turn the motor - I ended up rolling over on the bench - she is seized up tight.

New - rebuilt V5 AC compressor with new Hi and Low pressure switches and the R13 control valve has about 1000k on it:


New - rebuilt AZ lifetime warranty alternator and starter with 1000K on them:


88 2.5 complete wiring harness:


I'll put these up in the mall next weekend. If someone reading this thread want s something, leave me a PM. I'll be out of town all next week. Make me an offer! More next weekend.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #252, 03-10-2010 04:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Dan (Frizlefrak) and Jeff stopped by this afternoon after we spent most the day driving from El Paso to Mesilla for a lunch run. I must have missed the memo about "Fiero's Optional". Everyone else drove a Vette. I was the only Fiero in the bunch - so I had to lead them up there....lol.

Pat, I can take care of that "Fiero's Optional" problem you have! By the way that Vette next to your car looks pretty good!

Anyway, with the help of Dan and Jeff, we got the duke dropped out and sitting on the floor. We'll drag it out from under the car in the am and get it out of the way. Going to strip down the Duke as it has a lot of new parts on it. The trans was working great too so we'll take it to our favorite trans shop and donate it for some goodwill. I'll be keeping the 88 cradle and I plan on using it in the V8 Coupe when I swap in the 383 and 6 speed - it will be great to get the rear suspension upgraded at the same time.

Not too many pics today - once we got started, I forgot about the camera. I'll get a bunch tomorrow.

Photo op on our Fiero run today - note all the beater Vettes?


Getting ready to drop the Duke!


More tomorrow.

Pat




katatak MSG #253, 03-12-2010 09:18 PM
      Well after a dreery week in Houston, I made it home around 12:00 noon today and was able to tinker with the 4.9 some. I pulled the injectors so I can send them in for some cleaning and service. I was planning on doing this myslef but I just do not have the time right now - got to get this done. Anyway, I also pulled the TB for some cleaning and removed the valve covers to replace the gaskets and install one with an oil fill on the back side/front side? I was pretty happy with how clean the valve train is. Looks like this motor was well cared for.

I was going to try and adapt the 4 cyl AC pump to the 4.9 but have decided that I will just get a stock Caddy AC pump and be done with it. Again, time is critical now. Tomorrow I have to go to the Mega Pull and get the rear AC pump mounting bracket and we can get the tensioner pully and belt all finished up. I am hoping I can stuff it in the car tomorrow afternoon for a test fit.

When I pulled the TB, I noticed that there is some crud built up inside these "tubes" in the intake - not a clue what they are? Maybe part of the EGR setup - looks like EGR gunk. I'll see if I can clean them out some.



Clean valve train!



Injectors out:



Got to replace this valve cover with one that has an oil fill hole:


More tomorrow.

Pat


katatak MSG #254, 03-13-2010 09:08 PM
      First thing this AM, we went to the mega pull for some Caddy AC pump brackets...... After roaming around, we found a good donor and got what we needed. I will buy a new pump but we picked up one from that yard for now - to get all the pulleys setup and the belt on. We got out of the junk yard for 25.00.

I ran all over town looking for the 3.4 Camaro tensioner and the idler pulley. I had to ride my motorcylce cause it was so nice outside here today. It really was hard on me!

Fun in the junk yard:


Fabbed up the idler mount:




All the brackets fabbed up and the belt is in place: Only issue is that I have the wrong belt - it's too long. I'll get the right one in the AM.


More tomorrow.

Pat


katatak MSG #255, 03-16-2010 08:40 PM
      Sent the injectors off to Mr Injector for cleaning and service yesterday. I picked up another belt - ended up with the AZ 798K6. It was a tight fit but it does fit. I handed the boy a wire brush and instructed hm to clean all the rust off the pulleys. He was still out there in the garage at 11:00 last night. He got a wild hair and went to cleaning the motor. He did a great job of cleaning the motor and making a huge mess in the garage. I do not think the stains will ever come out of the concrete...... Gives me a good excuse to go buy that pressure washer I have been wanting.





Pat


Sofa King MSG #256, 03-19-2010 06:50 AM
      P,

You tell the boy he did FANTASTIC job on the engine. When they get that "wild hair" it's best if you just "ride it out". Again, the engine is looking really nice!


arte444 (kakagiraffe@gmail.com) MSG #257, 03-19-2010 09:19 AM
      Looks nice!

Did you flip flop the valve covers or buy a new one with a fill?



katatak MSG #258, 03-19-2010 08:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

You tell the boy he did FANTASTIC job on the engine. When they get that "wild hair" it's best if you just "ride it out". Again, the engine is looking really nice!


I'm learning to just let him run with things. I can always clean up the mess later. It's getting fun to watch him work on this car.


katatak MSG #259, 03-19-2010 08:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by arte444:

Looks nice!

Did you flip flop the valve covers or buy a new one with a fill?



I picked one up at the mega pull and swapped out the original. I got the cover for 10.00 bucks so it was worth it. Thanks for the reply.

Pat


katatak MSG #260, 03-19-2010 08:53 PM
      OK so if you have not already read my posts in chat and tech, I sent my injectors to Mr. Injector for cleaning and service on Monday. I got an email today from Bill at MI informing me that he received the box but there were no injectors inside. Looks like the box got crushed, the injectors fell out and someone along the way taped the box back up. I filed a claim with UPS and they had a declared value of 250.00 so hoefully I'll recover some of the costs to replace them.

Bill at MI was very helpful and is a great guy to deal with. He told me that the OEM 4.9 injectors are prone to problems with the windings and he suggested that I replace them with some OEM Ford 4.6, 5.0 and 5.4 injectors. I did some searching and found that this is a common replacement for many GM 19 lb injectors and the Bosch injectors are more efficient. I went to the Mega Pull this afternoon to recon some Ford injectors and found a rather large supply of them for fairly cheap. I alos found refurbished ones on E Bay for 100 plus shipping - this is a pretty good deal as it will cost 130 plus shipping to get the stock ones cleaned and serviced. Just beofre I pushed the "buy it now" button, I checked my email again and had another form Bill at MI. He said that he would sell me a set of the Bosch for 225.00 but he did nothave any at this time. I sent him one back telling him that I had a source for cores and then he sent one back telling me that if I send him 3 sets, he will send me back one set refurbished - I just pay for shipping to and from. Sounds like a good deal to me so tomorrow I will be knee deep in the Ford section at the Mega Pull gathering up injectors.

For future reference, here are some part numbers for the Ford OEM 19lb High Impedence injectors:

OEM Part Nmuber: 028150943. These are made by Bosch for Ford and are the Series type 2. They have a yellow top and if you look closely at the pintle end, you will see 4 small holes. These are the prefered injectors.

Some more info:

Other OEM partnumbers that cross with the above: 028150939, 766 and 788. The Bosch aftermarket replacement part number is: 0280150973

Here's a pic of the injecor I picked today for reference:


Pat


katatak MSG #261, 03-20-2010 05:07 PM
      Did not get as much done today as I wanted but we did make some progress. The Fiero guys talked me into a run for lunch so that took up half the day - it was fun though and worth it.

Went to the Mega Pull and picked up 3 sets of the Bosch injectors to send off for cleaning and service. It took all of 45 minutes to pull 3 sets. Cost me 10 bucks! So after shipping to and from Mr. Injector, I'll have about 50.00 in a set of refurbished Bosch series 2 injectors! I had pretty much talked myself into just ordering a set of the 100.00 ones from E Bay but decided to go get the used ones and get them serviced - saved me 60.00.

My buddy Jeff gave me a brand new V6 fuel pump today - Thanks Jeff......CJ will have to wash and wax your Fiero one of these weekends.

Here's my junk yard score:


More later

Pat


katatak MSG #262, 03-20-2010 05:14 PM
      Forgot to add that I took the TB apart so I could give it a good cleaning. I need to search for a TB Seal kit - there's really only one seal but it was brittle and disintegrated when I removed the butterfly shaft. I'll have to do some diggin to find one. Hope they are available - maybe through GM only?

It's was sitting under a tarp with the air box on it but it still got a lot of junk in it:


Pretty good carbon and gunk build up underneath too:


I'll let her soak in Berryman's overnight then reassemble tomorrow - if I can find the shaft seal. I need to go back to the Mega Pull and hunt up some new rubber connectors as all of these are brittle and cracked. It never ends. All the little odds and ends a starting to add up.

Pat


katatak MSG #263, 03-20-2010 05:46 PM
      I went with some of the Fiero guys for a Lunch run today. It was a great day for some pics so I cleaned up the Formula and took advantage of the sunny day.







The Texas Sun is taking it's toll on old Red:


I'll have to see if I can get this fixed up before the Round Up!

Only 3 of us on the run today plus our reliable chase vehicle guy Reggie! We seriously got to get him into a Fiero. Anyway, we ran up to La Mesa, NM to a little bar and grill called "Chopes". Good food - Good Rita's and plenty of spice!

Chasing Jeff's elusive 4.9 GT!

The standard rearview shot!

Those 4.9 cars are hard to keep up with!

The Maroon one is a "Stealth Fiero" - it sports the 4.9 too!





Pat

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katatak MSG #264, 03-21-2010 04:28 PM
      Today's project was to drain the fuel tank, drop it and change out the 4 cyl pump for the new 6 cyl pump. Fortunately, about 6 months or so ago, I pulled the tank to fix a leaking top seal and replace the pump. At that thime I alos replaced all the fule lines and fill hoses. I hot wired the pump and drained the tank. It was on the gorund in about 10 minutes, took 15 to change the pump out and another 15 to install. I hooked up some power and the new pump works.

Out wih the old 4 cyl pump - it's really only about 6 months old!



In with the new: Thanks again to my buddy Jeff for donating this new V6 pump to the build.


Buttoned up and ready to install:


All done:


Getting closer - more later

Pat

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katatak MSG #265, 03-21-2010 04:42 PM
      Another trip to the Mega Pull - it's really the only excersize I get - roaming the yard looking for goodies. I try to go every Sunday am to beat the crowds. For the last 3 months, I have had my personal stash of 13 - 84 and 85 Fiero's that were clear in the back of the lot. They were a great source of lots of little parts like screws, headlight motors, etc. Today I was going to get one rolled over so I could get the coolant tubes out of it and a few other little odds and ends. After walking clear out there, they were all gone - crushed!

I also needed some rubber vac fittings for the 4.9 so I headed back to the GM section. After getting the vac line, I wandered through the GM section from the back to the front - about 50 rows of cars - 20 to a row. What did I find in the middle of the section - a poor looking 87 GT. Missing the fastback, deck lid, tail lights and roof. Other than that it's pretty much complete. I think I'll go back next weekend and get the 5 speed out of it. The V6 looks complete but it's been sitting out in the weather for awhile.

While I was wandering I also found a few poor sad looking N*'s.





katatak MSG #266, 03-22-2010 10:13 PM
      I soaked the TB in Berryman's for a day and finished cleaning it up this evening. I'll probably end up sleeping on the couch but I needed to wash of the Berryman's with hot water!

Hot soapy water:


A clear rinse:


Blow it out wih air and reassemble:


Finally got the belt put on - looking better all the time:


If you spy the top of the above pic, you will see the aftermarket mechanical OP gauge I picked up. My next step is to pull the dizzy, hook up the gauge and the oil cooler then spin the Oil Pump with a drill. This motor has been sitting for awhile and although it was sealed up very well, I want to get some fresh oil to the bearings before I turn the motor much. I may also pull the plugs and get some cylinder fog and spray it in the cylinders. I have a bore scope that I will use to take a peek into each cylinder to look for rust or foriegn material too. Also ordered new rear hubs yesterday. Getting closer to the stuff date.

Pat

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katatak MSG #267, 03-22-2010 10:23 PM
      So again, I laid the two wiring harnesses out on the floor and started looking it over. I have a pile of paper I have printed out with every wiring diagram, hints, info, etc. etc.



I think I figured it out - it does not look to tough at all and I should be able to get it done in 2 weeks. It's easy - I just picked up the phone and ordered a complete 4.9 swap harness from Jeremy at the Fiero Factory. I know, I know......... I just do not have the time or skill to do the wiring harness. For those that have done thier own, my hat is off to you. More to come.

Pat


Sofa King MSG #268, 03-23-2010 07:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I know, I know......... I just do not have the time or skill to do the wiring harness. For those that have done thier own, my hat is off to you. More to come.

Pat


I agree. Sometimes the path of least resistance is the better way to move forward


katatak MSG #269, 03-25-2010 10:06 PM
      Worked on getting some oil pumped through the motor this afternoon. I was going to have some oil cooler lines made up but it turned out that we had all the tools, fittings and hose at work in the hydraulic shop. I hinted to one of the road mechanics that I needed some hoses made and when I came back from lunch, my new hoses were laying on my desk. This afternoon, I took a couple of stock Caddy oil cooler hose ends and made a "loop" so I could spin up the oil pump and not have to worry about hooking up the oil cooler. Then I hooked up a manual gauge, setup the drill motor and went to spinning. I could get 50 psi with the drill motor. I ran it for about 30 seconds, then rotated the crank about 1/4 turn, spun it another 30 seconds, rotated the crank 1/4 and so on. I'll do this one more time just before I put the motor in the car? I may try and run the motor out of the car once I get the injectors and harness back.

My new oil cooler lines:


Oil cooler bypass loop thingie:


Drill setup and ready to go:


50 plus psi:


Also got another care package in the mail today:


More to come

Pat

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katatak MSG #270, 03-27-2010 09:55 PM
      Not much to report this today. Waiting for he Injectors to come back from Mr Injector and the wiring harness from the Fiero Factory. Spent a few hours in the junk yard today helping Frizlefrak get some much needed items for his GT and his 2M8. Had a blast and picked apart a 87 GT before it heads of to the crusher.

Tomorrow I will work on the engine compartment to clean it up some. I have to work on the coolant tubes too. Both have a slight crush to them and I think I will cut out the bad spot and put a hose in place to splice them back together. I will also pick up an oil cooler and build a mount for it in the side scoop on the left side.

More tomorrow!

Pat


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #271, 03-27-2010 11:49 PM
      Any luck with that hard top section?

katatak MSG #272, 04-02-2010 12:25 AM
      Just got into town and was expecting to have a box of injectors and a wiring harness but nooooooooo! Not yet. I did have a box from the company I bought the rear hubs from. I had ordered a set of rear hubs and when they arrived, they were supposed to have the seals and a new axle nut for each. All I got were the hubs. I sent an email to them explaining the problem and I got a quick reply apologizing and to let me know that the missing parts would be shipped ASAP. I opened the box and what did I get? Another rear hub - at least this one had the seals and the new axle nut. I guess I will send them another email and see what they send this time? Anyone need a rear hub?

I was also hoping for a set of dew wipes for the Formula as I was planning on rebuilding the door hinges and intsalling dew wipes this weekend. I failed to give Stu my shipping address so he will send them off tomorrow. My bad! I guess I'll just goof off this weekend.

Pat


katatak MSG #273, 04-02-2010 05:27 PM
      The mail man brought me a present today. The injectors showed up from Mr. Injector. I am very impressed and would like to put a shameless plug out there for Bill Johnson and Mr. Injector. He has been a great help and does excellent work. If you need injector work, give him a call.

8 reconditioned Bosch type 2 injectors with new o rings and filter baskets:


Included is the "test" sheet and flow numbers:


How to contact Bill and Mr. Injector:


Now to the garage for an injector installation!

Pat

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katatak MSG #274, 04-03-2010 12:24 AM
      Spent some time getting the injectors installed this afternoon. Learned a new trick too. I cleaned the fuel rails and the wiring harness plus cleaned the intake manifold and installed the TB.

Here's the trick I learned. The injector has 2 grooves in the body on the fuel rail side. I was thinking that I had to seat the injector deep enough so that the retaining clip would sit in the lower groove. I installed all 8 injectors this way and then set it in place on the manifold. There was no way I could get the injectors to seat in the manifold. I had to move each clip to the top groove and then when I set it back on the manifold, everything lined up perfect.

The Injector:


Incorrect installation:


Correct installation:


Let the install begin - cleaning everything first is important:


Thought I was really doing good here - until I discovered I had it together wrong:



Injectors in place:



TB in place:


Valve covers on:



More tomorrow!

Pat


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #275, 04-03-2010 11:30 AM
      Nice job so far, just wondering why you did not go with a carb instead?

katatak MSG #276, 04-03-2010 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Nice job so far, just wondering why you did not go with a carb instead?


Thanks for kind words Quad. The main reason I stuck with the TB/injection is that this car is my 16 year olds daily driver. I want it to be as "trouble free" as can be. If it were for me, I would most likely go with a carb - call me old school but I like tinkering and tuning with a screw driver versus a laptop!

Pat



katatak MSG #277, 04-05-2010 10:24 PM
      Been a little quiet in this thread the last few days. Not much to update but I did talk to the Fiero Factory today and the harness is on it's way. Looks like we will be installing the motor this weekend. More later.

Pat



katatak MSG #278, 04-10-2010 06:42 PM
      The Mail Man stopped by today and dropped off this:


I went out and started the process of trying to figure out what goes where. The injectors were easy. I think I have half of the ends figured out but I'll have to buy some beer and get my Fiero buddies over here to figure it out completely.

The Harness is just laying on top the motor ill I get everything figured out - then I'll work on making it pretty:


Not sure about these plugs:


I'm thinking this is the pass key and the speedo fix thingie:


I know one of these plugs into the trans:


ECM & interior goodies:


I have to say that after messing with trying to build my own harness (and 90% of it was already stripped and labled), I am very glad that Dan and Jeff talked me into buying a harness. Even with a complete harness, my head hurts looking at it. I hate wiring!

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #279, 04-16-2010 04:18 PM
      Well it's back to work on the XTC/4.9 swap. The goal is to have it installed tomorrow. I spent most the morning getting a bunch of little things buttoned up. I had to realign the tensioner pulley to get it to run square and true. Once I had it where I wanted it, I found that the valve cover would not fit. I had to make a choice. Start over on the tensioner or do some "clearance" adjustemnt to the valve cover. Call me lazy but it was a lot easier to make the valve cover fit. I have all but 3 connectors on the harness figured out. I am waiting on a response form the Fiero Factory for where the 3 go. I am pretty sure that one is for the alternator and that I am missing a pigtail harness for the alternator. I think one is for the EGR or MAP? and the 3rd I have no clue. Jeremy will be able to guide me in the right direction. I will also have 2 4.9 Fiero's in my driveway in the AM that I can use for a guide. I went over the entire engine and made sure all the bolts were tight and everything was fitted correctly. I think I'm ready to stuff her in the car. I have to pick up a new T Stat for it this afternoon and figure out a few vac lines and thats pretty much it.

Making the valve coover fit:



I had to do some adjustment on the valve cover bolt too:


A few questionable connectors:
Pretty sure this for the alternator


EGR or MAP?


Not a clue?


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #280, 04-16-2010 06:28 PM
      Figured out some of the wiring - I forgot there was another part of the harness.

Alternator connector:


MAP:


Still got to figure this one out:


Pat


katatak MSG #281, 04-16-2010 06:36 PM
      Also drilled a hole in the T Stat and clocked it @ 12:00 to aid in bleeding air.

This is the old one I did a practice run on:


We just did this the other day on a friends 4.9 Fiero that was having overheating issues. He actually drilled 2 holes side by side then used a small file and cleaned out the middle. I did the same with my new T Stat.

This is a "Fail Safe" T Stat that - if it fails, it fails in the open position.

Page 8 is mine!

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katatak MSG #282, 04-16-2010 09:32 PM
      Jeremy at the Fiero Warehouse is a great guy! I had a lot of goofy questions about the harness and he had no problem answering them. I think I have all the connectors figured out now and tommorow we will see if I can bring it to life.

This one is for the neutral safety switch on the trans:


This one is for the charcoal canister and is not going to be used:


More tomorrow!

Pat



Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #283, 04-17-2010 11:12 AM
      cruising right along. Get that thing fired up!


katatak MSG #284, 04-17-2010 05:00 PM
      Made some progress today. Dan and Jeff came over at 7:30 am. We finished up a little wiring and then went to work putting it in the car. Took all of 20 minutes to get her bolted in then spent the rest of the time getting the harness in the right place and everything routed the right way (more time spent BSing than working). We accomplished a lot today. Jeff picked up a nice set of barely used Flowmater 40's from the neighbor cheap and Dan sold his 84 Vette and we stuffed a 4.9 in the XTC all before 12:00. As of this afternoon, all that is left is a alternator wire, a few vacuum plugs, the vacuum line for the brakes and the coolant lines. I need to get some fuel lines made and then she will be ready to fire up. After that, reinstall tha suspension and take her for a spin. I think we will rebuild the brakes first though............ Getting close now.

Freshly bolted in:


Trunk work:


Computer in and hooked up:


As it sets right now from the left:


From the right:


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #285, 04-17-2010 10:19 PM
      Did a little coolant tube surgery this evening.




Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #286, 04-18-2010 12:35 AM
      Not a bad day's work Let me know when you want to come by and pick up the shifter bracket. I suspect CJ will be cruising it by next weekend.

katatak MSG #287, 04-18-2010 12:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Not a bad day's work Let me know when you want to come by and pick up the shifter bracket. I suspect CJ will be cruising it by next weekend.


Well thanks to you and Jeff, I could not take it so I had to finish up the wiring and see if she would fire. Woke up the neighborhood this morning with the roar of a 4.9....... I can't tell you what a relief that was but I'm sure you understand it.

Here's what's left:

Fuel lines - Done
Coolant lines - Done
Exhaust - In process
AC lines
Oil Cooler
Hook up the trans cooler lines
Install the axles/suspension
Brake Vacuum line
Brake Job w/new flex lines
Make sure everything is routed and tied down correctly.

Should be able to get all this done by next weekend?????? The exhaust is the big thing now. Everything else is easy. Thanks again to Dan and Jeff for thier help and to everyone else that helped to get it to this point.

Pat

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katatak MSG #288, 04-18-2010 07:47 PM
      Well my son was whining about the exhaust for the XTC - "how we going to do it", It's gonna cost a bunch of money", wah wah wah! I told him that it would be no problem and to quit whining. Finally after listening to his belly aching for over an hour, I sent him to the auto parts store to get me some cheap exhaust pieces - a couple 90's and a 45 in 2.25 or 2.5". While he was gone, I trimmed up the factory Caddy down pipe and waited for his return. Now keep in mind that this is strictly a "mock up". Once I have it the way I want it, I'll either go get the proper bent pieces and build it or just have a muffler shop build it for me - depends on cost!

Once he got back, the first thing I needed to make was a "Y" pipe. My intention is to come out of the stock Caddy down pipe (that's really just a flange with 1" pipe) with a short 45 and then into the "Y" pipe which will split off to a small muffler on each side of the car. The XTC has about an extra 8" of length in the back end so I can install a short 12" to 16" long turbo muffler/glass pack, etc. along the frame rails and attach the tip right to the muffler going out the back.

I used my cut off wheel in the 4" grinder and cut a "wedge" out of each of the 90's


Then with some grinding, fitted them together


Then welded it together - don't laugh at my welding skills - I have none. Plus I was running out of gas and I could not see and....well enough excuses:


Then I fit the 45 with some cutting and grinding: The final piece will fit over the flange pipe and will be welded.


Pretty good fit considering it's all eye balled:


Plenty of clearance:



Anyway, it shut up the boy and now I can have some peace and quiet.

More later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #289, 04-18-2010 09:40 PM
      Metal Fabrication? You've passed my skills! The pipe looks great!

Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #290, 04-18-2010 10:18 PM
      Your welds make mine look like I used a coat hanger and jumper cables.
Looks great!


katatak MSG #291, 04-18-2010 10:45 PM
      I could not stand it so I whipped up some make shift Fuel lines. Once I had them hooked up, I cranked it over and no fire??????? I pored a little gas in the TB and vroom......right up to 3500 rpm.....shut down. Then I capped off all the vac ports on the TB, cranked it over and vroom - 1500 rpm then settled to 1100 then t 800 - 900 and idled smooth. I think I have a few electricla gremlins to chase as the fule gauge is pegged, the op gauge is pegged and the SES light is on. The tach seems to work though. At lease it runs. I will need to time it and figure out idle and all that but it fires with the turn of a key and will run smooth. Very happy right now. Just trying to figure out how to post a video.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #292, 04-18-2010 11:37 PM
      Uh Oh! I just learned how to post video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9AYTancm8

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #293, 04-18-2010 11:43 PM
     

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Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #294, 04-18-2010 11:44 PM
      Here you go Pat. Copy the link of the video, then put [youtube] (link) [/youtube]. This will put it in the post as a clickable link

katatak MSG #295, 04-18-2010 11:59 PM
      You are the man Phil. Thanks for posting it.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #296, 04-20-2010 03:51 PM
      Pat, It sounds great. I like the plan for the exhaust. Now the XTC will run as fast as it looks!

katatak MSG #297, 04-20-2010 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Pat, It sounds great. I like the plan for the exhaust. Now the XTC will run as fast as it looks!


Thanks Rick. It's getting closer! I've whittled the punch list down to half a page now.

Pat



katatak MSG #298, 04-20-2010 09:29 PM
      Got all the coolant hoses hooked up today. Ready to fill!

More later!



Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #299, 04-20-2010 10:53 PM
      Comin' right along......

katatak MSG #300, 04-22-2010 10:53 PM
      Had an issue today. After getting all the coolant lines in place, today we filled and bled the system. All went well until we tried to start it. No Fuel Pump - WTF? First I thought it was something I did. Yesterday I was under the car checking out the wirning trying to figure out the gas guage issue. I pulled the plug apart checked for bad wires and found nothing. Plugged it back together and went on. So I dive under the car agian, pull the plug apart and start checking for voltage. Key on, no voltage to the pump. WTF? So I hot wire the fuel pump, it works fine.

I run into the house and post up my issue in Tech - I have no clue where to start. I crack open the maual and read and read but cant find anything that helps. I decide to go out and swap the relays. Now these are brand new relays but after I swapped them, she fired right up? WTF? Could one of the new relays gone bad? Was it stuck maybe? Did I short it out when I was messing with the plug yesterday? Now I will go swap them back and see what happens.

So anyway, I was able to run the car to make sure I got it bled correctly. It sat in the garage with no fan for 10 minutes before it got to 195. I could tell when the t stat opened. I let it run another 10 minutes while I watched the temp gauge and went around the car checking the coolant tubes, hoses and rad. After about 2o minutes, it was approaching 220 so I put put the fan fuse in and as soon as the fan kicked on, the temp dropped below 200 and stayed there for another 15 to 20 minutes. I think I have it bled out correctly.

Tomorow we will install the suspension and tidy up the wiring. Getting close now! Here's another video of it running today.



More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #301, 04-23-2010 08:32 PM
      Removed the old hubs and installed new seals this afternoon.

New seal installed.


New Hub installed:


I slipped in a outer axle stub to make sure that I ahd the seal set deep enought. The new seals were not as "thick" as the originals so if i set them flush, the seal may ride to far down on the axle. After a few test fits, I think I got the seal set to the right depth. The inside face is flush with the "mark" left by the original seal. I suppose it won't matter much because I will be using brand new outer axle shafts.


Went over to Frizlefrak's house this evening and stole the shift cable bracket and the shift arm so I can clone them! Hope he does not decide to take his car for a spin!

More later.

Pat



katatak MSG #302, 04-24-2010 12:24 AM
      Worked on the shift arm this evening. I borrowed the arm and the cable bracket form Frizlefrak's car and cloned them. When I installed the arm, it hits the crossover pipe in park. Now I got to figure that out.

Flattened out:


Marked and drilled for the pin:


Pin welded in new place:



All trimmed up:


Frizlefrak's arm had a few cracks in it from where it was flattened out originally so I ground out the cracks and welded it up:


More later!

Pat

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #303, 04-24-2010 12:35 AM
      The damnedest thing just happened....

I went out to drive my 4.9 car....it started just fine, but when I went to put it in gear, nothing happened! Anyone have any ideas?

Good work Pat....you move fast.


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #304, 04-24-2010 12:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

The damnedest thing just happened....

I went out to drive my 4.9 car....it started just fine, but when I went to put it in gear, nothing happened! Anyone have any ideas?



That's funny right there, I don't care who you are. Git-R-Done.



katatak MSG #305, 04-24-2010 01:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

The damnedest thing just happened....

I went out to drive my 4.9 car....it started just fine, but when I went to put it in gear, nothing happened! Anyone have any ideas?

Good work Pat....you move fast.


I knew I would'nt get away with it!

Call me when you get home and I'll come put the parts back on your car!


katatak MSG #306, 04-24-2010 01:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:


That's funny right there, I don't care who you are. Git-R-Done.


Well after a late night and lots of new cuss words, I think I got it. I finished cloning the cable bracket then removed the crossover pipe. After I got the bracket mounted and the cable hooked up, it looks like the shifter is working good. I reinsatlled the crossover and was able to "rotate" it upwards. I tightened it down and was able to get plenty of clearance between the crossover and the shift arm. I will wrap the cross over with header wrap to help with the heat. Just waiting on some axles to show up and she will be on the gorund ready for a test drive.




More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #307, 04-24-2010 08:18 PM
      Had a setback on the XTC today. Awhile back, I picked up some outer maual Fiero axle/CV's for the axle mod. After cleaning them up and looking them over, there was one that seemd a little "rough" to me so I decided to buy a set of remanned Fiero manual axles form AZ, then use the outer axle/CV and instll these on the Olds mini van axles. Today, one came in so I picked it up - got home and started to disassemble the new axle. Turns out the new outer axle/CV is the same diameter axle shaft as the Fiero auto - too small for the Olds mini van axle! Craptacular news! So now I'm back to square one with the axles. Monday I will see if there is a local shop that can rebuild the 2 used outers I have. Hope this wokrs out.

More later.

Pat


katatak MSG #308, 04-24-2010 10:41 PM
      Dismantled a CV joint this evening - found out why it was rough. I was able to use a fine wire wheel on my dremel to clena up the parts. I put them in my brass tumbler with walnuts and jewler's rouge to see if they will polish up. If so, I will reassemble it and run it.




Pat


katatak MSG #309, 04-27-2010 10:08 PM
      Axles and suspension in this evening. I need to move the motor 1/2" toward the passenger side - not a problem as I planned ahead for this possibility - I just need to slot a couple mount holes.

Drivers side in:


It's good to have a floor monkey!


More later!

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #310, 04-28-2010 12:16 AM
      First drive by this weekend Pat? It should be ready for our weekly "Men of a Certain Age" luncheon event.

Sofa King MSG #311, 04-28-2010 07:36 AM
      AHHH... the axles... What memories... Bet you can't wait to get her back on the road?

katatak MSG #312, 04-28-2010 06:15 PM
      Just waiting for flex brake lines! And a little mortor slide to the passenger side.

katatak MSG #313, 04-28-2010 11:20 PM
      Just got back from replacing the shift cable bracket and shift arm that I stole off of Frizlefrak's 4.9. I did some measuring and eyeballing and my axle fears have subsided. He is using the same axles as I am and both his and mine are within 1/4" of being in the same place. I will bolt her back in where I had her and run it that way. On the way home I picked up some header wrap for the crossover. As soon as my brake lines come in from Rock Auto, I should have it on the gorund. Just got to get after the exhaust now then clean up some odds and ends. So close yet so far away. More later!

Pat

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SMTHGT MSG #314, 04-29-2010 01:34 AM
      great progress... congrats!!!



katatak MSG #315, 04-29-2010 04:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SMTHGT:

great progress... congrats!!!



Thanks Smith!

Been surfing Muffler suppliers trying to decide what to use. Thinking of a cheap turbo muffler to start with. More for mock up versus function. I need to see what "fits" before i buy some higher end mufflers.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #316, 04-30-2010 12:33 AM
      Ordered a set of cheap turbo mufflers today and gathered up some exhaust pipe pieces. It will be tight but I think I can make it work. Alos wrapped the crossover with header wrap - 2 layers. Should help keep the under hood heat down. Also got the motor mounts bolted back in. If I get my parts form Rock Auto tomorrow, I may be driving it Saturday afternoon!..........

Wrap that rascal!


In the car - starting to clean up the wiring some:


More later

Pat

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katatak MSG #317, 04-30-2010 06:38 PM
      A little more exhaust work this afternoon - Finished the Y pipe and then welded it up. There will have to be a few small adjustments made to it for a good fit but it's pretty close - a little heat here, some tweaking there.... It's coming along. Still looking for brake lines from Rock Auto. Got an email last night that it shipped yesterday - doubtfull they will be here tomorrow. If the mufflers I ordered actually show up tomorrow as promised, I can get the exhaust finished up then go over everything a second or third time - main thing is cleaning up all the wires - routing and I have to fab a couple hose mounts to keep them out of harms way. A few wires to the starter need to be lengthened then rerouted to keep them away for the exhaust manifold. With the exception of the brake lines, oil cooler and AC hoses, it should be done tomorrow afternoon. I can hardy believe that it is near the end of this swap. Seems like I just started it yesterday. What will I do when it's done????????? I think I can find something to keep me busy!




More tomorrow!

Pat

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katatak MSG #318, 05-01-2010 10:24 PM
      Had big plans for the XTC today - I really wanted to drive it around the block but it was not to be. The mufflers never showed up at the parts store and I could not find the bolts for calipers - spent half the day digging trough bolt buckets looking for them. I put a new rad cap on - just for good measure and then topped the coolant off again. I did spend some time cleaning up the wiring, tightened up the crossover, installed the exhaust collector/Y pipe. Then I started it up and put the tune to it Did the Idle learn thing - a few times and set the timing. It purrs like a kitten. ABout 6:00 the boy found the caliper bolts - maybe i'll spin it around the block tomorrow. While I was waiting for the mufflers, I worked on the V8 Coupe so the whole day was not a loss. I was ging to wait to post this video until I had the exhaust done so I could do a comparison but here it is anyway.



Pat

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katatak MSG #319, 05-02-2010 11:14 AM
      Found this "vintage" XTC video!



katatak MSG #320, 05-04-2010 04:50 PM
      Had some fun with the XTC rear brakes. I decided it was time to bolt the calipers back up and found that the left side sliders were siezed up. Also had to take the e brake lever off to compress the piston. Found that whoever worked the brakes on this car last, did not get the arm on correctly and the hex was rounded out. I added some spot welds and used my dremel with a carbide cutter to reshape the hex. After compressing the piston, the arm went on perfectly - all was good there.

I did find that the rear brake pads are nearly new - I compared them to a brand new set I have for the Formula - can't see any wear. Anyway, there were 2 outer pads on the left side and 2 inner pads on the right. Without the inner on the right, this allowed the piston to spin rendering the ebrake useless on the right side. I swapped the pads around to the right orientation but was missing one of the anti rattle clips. Spent most the afternoon yesterday searching for one clip - no one sells a hardware kit. I can buy new calipers from Rock Auto and they come with new pins and anti rattle clips - I hate to spend 50,00 plus for calipers just to get a anti rattle clip. I have a few firends searching thier stash's now - if I can't come up with one, I will reassemble the brakes and leave the right outer pad without the clip until I can find one.

On a more serious note, I have a rant about AZ - why is it that they can never seem to order what you actually need? I know these guys at my local AZ real well - they know better. Everytime I have to order something through them, it either comes in wrong or never shows up at all. I try to use these guys cause they usually have what I am looking for and if I have to order it, can get it in 2 days. If I wanted to wait a week, I would order from Rock Auto, Fiero Store, Summit, Jegs, etc. I ordered some cheap turbo mufflers for the XTC exhaust mock up and they were supposed to be here on Saturday - nope - come back Monday! Went back Monday - nope - don't know where they are - have no shipping info - do you want your money back? No I say, Order the Fu&^%ng things again! Cheese and Rice these guys are starting to make me want to throw on the postal uniform and run through a couple dozen clips! Ok rant off!

Hopefully they will show up on Wednesday - if so, I can get the exhaust done and be able to take the car around the block. I'd love to get her done by Friday - there is a Vette run planned this weekend and I'd really like to take the XTC! - What? It has Vette taillights!

More later.

Pat


SMTHGT MSG #321, 05-05-2010 02:56 AM
      Who is more excited as the XTC get closer to being finished, you or your son..??



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #322, 05-05-2010 03:45 PM
      Vette tail lights? Shame Shame Pat. Did your mufflers show up today? I would be tempted to take the ride with out any mufflers. You have lots of self control!
Joe

Ein Bier Bitte?

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katatak MSG #323, 05-05-2010 04:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SMTHGT:

Who is more excited as the XTC get closer to being finished, you or your son..??



Well that's a hard one. I'm excited cuase it means one more project out of my garage - plus I think it will be a great car. My son because he has been afoot for 3 months and hates to borrow the Durango. It ain't a cool ride for a 16 year old!


katatak MSG #324, 05-05-2010 04:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Vette tail lights? Shame Shame Pat. Did your mufflers show up today? I would be tempted to take the ride with out any mufflers. You have lots of self control!
Joe

Ein Bier Bitte?



Ha - Joe, Don't think I have not thought of it. WIth my "great" neighbors, they would have the National Guard at my house before I could get back. That's way I treat them to a 10 pm XTC with no exhaust symphony every night! No mufflers yet - hopefully this afternoon! I'll work all night to finish it up if I have too. I want to drive it tomorrow or Friday!


katatak MSG #325, 05-05-2010 11:15 PM
      Got the new brake lines on tonight. I put the calipers together so I could bleed the brakes - still got to put one anti rattle clip on - they are on thier way to me now. It took forever to get the brakes bled. Lots and lots of air but we got it n the end. No mufflers again today at AZ so I got my money back - I'll order some from Summit or Jegs and will have to wait another week. I will take it for an uncorked drive tomorrow though. It's pretty much done now except for the exhaust and a few little things like the ebrake cables and AC hose. I may get that stuff done this weekend. I think I'm taking a break from wrenching on Saturday and go play.

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #326, 05-07-2010 12:33 AM
      Picked up some turbo mufflers from my buddy and started working the exhaust this evening. I decided to rework the Y pipe as the first one was too large in diameter and did not fit well in the space available. I am now building a new Y pipe out of 2". I thinki it will work out better and give me better clearance along the rear of the cradle. The mufflers are perfect - fit nicely in the space along the frame rail and will be easy to hook up inot the Y pipe. No pics tonight - I'll get some up tomorrow as I fab the exhaust. Maybe a test drive tomorrow evening? I hope so. I've just about had all this car I can stand!

More later

Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #327, 05-07-2010 04:20 PM
      Pat......you ready to knock off this wrenchin' crap for a day and go have some fun? Burgers and beer await us at the bustling Timberon Country Club.

katatak MSG #328, 05-07-2010 09:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:

Pat......you ready to knock off this wrenchin' crap for a day and go have some fun? Burgers and beer await us at the bustling Timberon Country Club.


After today! I am ready to leave right now. Had a marathon exhaust session today. Lots of custom fitting took place. I had to drum up my old pipe fitter skills. Managed to get it in place and hanging. Sounds great. I have to fab 2 more hangers, drop the whole thing and weld it up then reinstall. I think Sunday will be test drive day. I'm taking tomorrow off! Hope I can keep up with all the Vettes!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #329, 05-08-2010 07:14 PM
      I have taken a few days off so the cuts on my hands heal up a bit. The hand cleaner burns the crap out of the small cuts I got working on the mower Thursday. I had to replace the drive unit.

I did the rear brakes on our Elantra yesterday so we are good to go to S.A. Friday.

Back in my 88 Coupe Monday

Joe


katatak MSG #330, 05-09-2010 01:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

I have taken a few days off so the cuts on my hands heal up a bit. The hand cleaner burns the crap out of the small cuts I got working on the mower Thursday. I had to replace the drive unit.

I did the rear brakes on our Elantra yesterday so we are good to go to S.A. Friday.

Back in my 88 Coupe Monday

Joe


Hey Joe - I hear ya on the cut up hands! As I was working the exhaust yesterday, I had a 4" grinder get away from me - twice! Both times it got wrapped up in my t shirt and left 2 nice skid marks on my belly! It did not bother me at all till I got up this morning, jumped in the shower and Youwch........ The soap was stinging bad. So I spent the day today - driving the Formula. I chased a bunch Vettes all over the mountains in Southern New Mexico - it was a blast and just what I needed.




After I got home around 6:30, I jumped on the XTC. I had to fab 2 more hangers for the mufflers. I had some really good welds and a couple of really bad ones. I'll have to do some grinding when I pull the exhaust out to weld it up. I do not know what went wrong but my little welder went crazy on me - when I was trying to weld the new hanger brackets to the car. I was too tired and pissed to try and figure it out tonight - I'll figure it out tomorrow!

Good Weld!


Driver side fit up:


This weld looked pretty good for upside down!


I won;t post pics of the crappy welds - it's just plain embarassing!

More tomorrow.

Pat

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Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #331, 05-09-2010 02:24 PM
      Pat....your crappiest welds look better than my best.

katatak MSG #332, 05-09-2010 05:14 PM
      So this morning I got an early start - 6:00 am and I was laying under the XTC. Had a lot of little things left to finish up. I dropped the exhaust so I could weld it up. Still not sure what's wrong with my little Welder but I had a heck of a time getting a good weld. I did manage to get it done. As it was cooling off, I installed the e brake cables only to find that I had them in backwards - so I did it twice. Then when I though it was done, I dsicovered that I had the main cable on the wrong side of the rad hose and it was pinching it almost closed - took it back apart at the adjuster and rerouted the cable. We hooked up the trans cooler, torqued the axle nuts, tied up som hoses and wires, installed a new exhaust doghnut and reintalled the exhaust. It fit better with the new doughnut! Go figure? I did get the passenger side muffler back about an inch farther than the drivers side and probably no one will notice but it bugs me. Maybe I'll fix that later. After getting the rear tires and and sat on the ground, I fired it up - time to see if the tranny works. Reverse - no problem - backed it out of the garage, into the street. Now Drive - yep she moved forward!

Had the boy jump in the passenger seat and off we went. Been driving it around the neighborhood for acouple hours now. No real issues. She runs smooth and has a ton of torque - what a difference 100+ HP will make! She never went over 200* so I think that part is sorted out. I am very happy to have it moving again. A huge sense of relief and accomplishment! I'd do it all over again starting tomorrow. There are a few things left to sort out but nothing that I have not done before. Here's my punch list for project completion!

Gas Gauge and OP Gauge is still goofy - although the gas gage is now moving around some - maybe I jarred it loose cruising around today.
Put the Deck Lid back on.
Finish the AC - just needs to run some lines and charge it.
Install engine oil cooler - got everything, just need to decide where and how to mount it.

It does not sound like much of a list and I am just glad that it moves under it's own power.

Exhaust out for weld up:


Welded up and ready to go back in:


Another satisified customer!


His first drive with an extra 100 ponies!


Just to the ennd of the block and back!


Sounds as good as it looks now!


Checking it for leaks and burnt wires!


All that work just to turn it around in the garage!


Pat


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #333, 05-09-2010 05:40 PM
      Congrats Pat.....the first drive is always the best. You & CJ did a great job and it shows.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #334, 05-09-2010 05:56 PM
      Congratulations Pat I am just behind you by a bit. I am gonna get back on mine tomorrow.

How about a clip of the exhaust so we all can hear how it sounds?

Joe


katatak MSG #335, 05-09-2010 10:55 PM
      Thanks Dan, Thanks Joe!

I would have preffered to take a little more time and detail some things better but I was under pressure to get this one done quick. It could be better - maybe next time around I would detail the engine compartment and spend a lot more time "sanitizing" the wiring and hoses. Just need this one to be functional. I think it will be a great car for the boy to drive back and forth to school and work - if he can keep out of trouble with it???? I mean afterall - it's half Caddy now. My Mom has a 92 with over 200K - she's had it since new, regular service and all - she has only had a few major problems - power steering pump and a water pump at 160K. It's been a geat car.

He and I do have an understanding - he has 0 chances - one mistake and he loses the car! That's one deal with him that I will keep! I'm pretty sure he will work hard to stay out of trouble - he loves the car too much! It was a lot of fun building it with him - he has a lot of ownership in the car and he has learned a lot of lessons over the course of the last 3 months. He fully understands the importance of being organized and knowing what and where he threw things as he was tearing it apart. All those little bolts and springs and clips - add up when you have to start scrounging and buying them. I am really glad we had the chance to do this together. When I was his age, I had a lot of car/truck projects - at one time I had 5 50 thru 55 Chevy trucks - and my Dad was right there for all of them. I would not trade that for anything. Now that the garage is clear, it is time to get my 70 Monte back together. Last year's bonus finally hit the bank so I have a green light to finish the car. It will be simple and easy compared to what I just went through - looking forward to something less complicated.

I did do some more work on the XTC this afternoon. Got the deck lid back on, air cleaner figured out and tied up some more wires. The E Brake light was stuck on so I cleaned up the contacts at the brake lever. Drove the car around some more - nothing but smiles when I drive it. Turned out way better than I was expecting. I was worried about the axles but all the worries are gone - I took it over to the high school and ran it through it's paces - passed all speed bump tests with flying colors. No clunks, grinds or funny noises. There is a little occaisional "chirp" It does not sound like the belt. I'm thinking it is the rear brakes - new pads and really rusty rotors!

More later!

Pat


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #336, 05-11-2010 06:23 PM
      Awww man, the XTC is on the road again! WOOOHOOO!!!! I bet your boy is just itching to get out there and drive it. BTW, those wheels are a perfect match for that body, it really sets it off. I'll come down and give you a hand and we'll do a dash swap for him.

katatak MSG #337, 05-11-2010 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF:

Awww man, the XTC is on the road again! WOOOHOOO!!!! I bet your boy is just itching to get out there and drive it. BTW, those wheels are a perfect match for that body, it really sets it off. I'll come down and give you a hand and we'll do a dash swap for him.


Thanks Andy. Funny you should mention a dash swap - that's the next project for the XTC (at least one that I will do) - an interior makeover - all new custom stuff! Come on down and enjoy the hot weather..... We can both sit in the lawn chairs in the shade and bark orders at him!

Pat



Tony Kania MSG #338, 05-12-2010 11:12 AM
      Just awesome! That car could have not found it's way into a better home. I caught the thread where you thanked the gang that helped out in the heart transplant. You ARE one standup guy Pat.

The run that you took through tthe New Mexico mountains with the Corvettes must have been like a dream run. I am more than willing to bet that the most of the Vette guys couldn't shake you. It is nice to be able to enjoy our little mid engined monsters.


Rick 88 MSG #339, 05-12-2010 05:20 PM
      Three of those Vette owners also have a Fiero or two at home also

katatak MSG #340, 05-12-2010 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Just awesome! That car could have not found it's way into a better home. I caught the thread where you thanked the gang that helped out in the heart transplant. You ARE one standup guy Pat.

The run that you took through tthe New Mexico mountains with the Corvettes must have been like a dream run. I am more than willing to bet that the most of the Vette guys couldn't shake you. It is nice to be able to enjoy our little mid engined monsters.


Thanks Tony! It was a good project and I'd do it again in a minute. Chasing the Vettes through the mountains was a lot of fun. I had no chance when it came to power but the Old Fiero does an amazing job in the twisties. Rick 88 was there! He will tell you that it was a great ride. He and I had to slow down for the Mrs's so they could take in the scenery on the way back but it was still fun - we did not waste any time. Between the 2 other guys, Rick and I, there are 8 Fiero's - I am pretty sure they love driving thier Fiero's as much as thier Vettes. There is nothing like a line of cars - regardless of make - chasing each other through the twisties!

Pat


katatak MSG #341, 05-13-2010 07:18 PM
      Had some time to do some tinkering today. Found where the Alt wire was wearing on the tensioner pully. I rerouted the wire and tied it down - should solve the problem. I set the timing the other day but it did not seem to be right. It felt like it was too far advanced. Almost like the spark was "scattered" causing a rough feel - like a miss (or several misses). After reading every 4.9 thread ever posted on PFF last night, I decided to play with the timing/idle learn, et.c this afternoon. I hooked up my timing light, jumpered A & B, fired up the car and the timing was jumping all over the place. I messed around for over an hour and came to the conclusion that my timing light must be fubar! I went and bought another one and sure enough, the my old Snap On timing light has gone goofy on me. It breaks my heart - this was my grandpa's timing light - it's an oldies but a goody. I'll have to see if I can get it fixed!

Anyway, with the new light, I could see that it was set at about 16 plus degrees. I set it at 12, locked it down. Went through the idle learn procedure and went for a drive. Runs smooth, no stutter, miss, nada! Idles aroung 750 - no sail on that I can detect. Seems to down shift at the right time when slowing or coming to a stop. I took a spin around town - light to light type heavy traffic driving - ran great and never went over 190*. I got it out on the highway - mainly to check the speedo with my GPS (it's about 3mph to the slow side versus the GPS) - and it edged up to 220* and hovered there at speeds of 70 to 80 MPH. Coming back into town, I ran around 55 to 60 and the temp came back down between 200 and 220*. I think I still have an air flow problem in the front of the car. I thought I was not going to have to build a "funnel" to force air to the rad but I was wrong. I think at speeds over 50, the air does not get to the rad due to the length and design of the front of the XTC body. Looks like it's back in the garage for a fix! Off to San Antonio for the Round up in the AM - More next week.

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #342, 05-16-2010 08:24 AM
      You might try a lower air dam extension under the front bumper as a quick fix to force more air up to the radiator. Maybe some hood vents may be in order too.

Next run to the mountains will be in the Fiero!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #343, 05-16-2010 10:29 AM
      After I added a chin spoiler to my car I had to do the same thing. I just took some of that black plastic garden edge stuff from the hardware store and bolted it to the existing rad air deflector under the car. You can't see it, but it adds a few inches to the original air deflector and directs more air up to the rad. Solved my problem for temps rising on the highway with my old 2.8

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Tony Kania MSG #344, 05-16-2010 12:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

After I added a chin spoiler to my car I had to do the same thing. I just took some of that black plastic garden edge stuff from the hardware store and bolted it to the existing rad air deflector under the car. You can't see it, but it adds a few inches to the original air deflector and directs more air up to the rad. Solved my problem for temps rising on the highway with my old 2.8



No doubt. I just mentioned this to Dogcreek yesterday. Buy a short section/roll of the good stuff. The airdam area is larger than you will need. Great! Just cut to fit. And there is a built in lip for which one is able to attach securely with nuts'n bolts to the undercarriage. I read this somewhere, and did this to one of my old E250s. Just don't get the cheapo stuff. You can feel the difference.

That car has come such a long way. I remember giving Carver1 a friendly rubbing over the "doiley" mesh in the front when he originally bought it. Now, the shortbus is getting a makeover. Old Fieros never die,.........



katatak MSG #345, 05-18-2010 04:08 PM
      Thanks guys for the airdam idea. The XTC has no airdam at all. I think I will look at fabbing up one this weekend and see how it works. I fear I will still need to build some sort of "funnel" between the grill and the rad. It's just so long in the nose and there is really nothing there to direct the air to the rad - maybe an airdam will "scoop" up eough air - the only issue is that the nose is so low to the ground now - I suppose if it's just under the rad, it may be close enough to the front wheels where it won't drag too much. My head is grinding away now.

Pat



katatak MSG #346, 05-18-2010 07:46 PM
      I managed to finish up some more small details this afternoon - in doing so, I found some more than need addressing. The OP gauge was pegged so I took the sender out - it was working on the Duke pre swap and took it back to AZ - life time warranty - and picked up a new one. While I was doing that, I also picked up an oil cooler for the engine oil. I got the lines run and the cooler mounted - I put it on the passenger side just above the frame rail - the old battery box was rusted out and left a hole in the fender. I cut out all the rust awhile back with the intention of "patching" up the hole later but it turns out that it is the perfect fit for the new cooler. I will fab a kind of a box to cover the exposed side and then duct it to the scoop on the right side just behind the door. It's functional for now. I fired it up to check for leaks and was pleased to see that the OP gauge is now working.

While mounting the oil cooler, I noticed that the plastic fan on the alternator pulley was looking rough. Upon further inspection, it looks like the motor is torquing backwards far enough to let the pulley rub on the strut tower. - about an inch. I'll have to fab up a dog bone now. I'm glad now that I did not move the engine 1/2" to the passenger side - it would have ate my alternator. This is the source of my squeak on the right side. I still have to fab a brace/bracket to support the rad/heater hose above the crossover. When it get's warm, it sags and ends up riding on the crossover. It's amazing all the little things that come up with these swaps - they are not a straight forward - bolt in deal. I was reading a thread awhile back about folks wanting someone to build/assemble a "swap kit" for the 3800 and the 4.9 - I'm not sure that a "kit" would be a one size fits all thing. I scoped out another 4.9 swapped Fiero in San Antonio at the Round Up this weekend. Lots of things done differently! Most better than the way I did them and I followed most the swaps documented here on the forum. It just proves that there is more than one way to skin a cat or is that caddy? When it cools off this evening, I'll go at it again - I need to get this car on the road!

More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #347, 05-19-2010 01:34 AM
      As I was sitting in the living room in the nice cool air this evening, I had a constant nagging form one particular 16 year old - Is it done Dad? Can I drive it Dad? What do we have to do to get it done Dad? and on and on.... so I got up and went to the garage to see what else I could get finished up. First on the agenda was a dog bone or torque strut. I am not completely sold on the version I came up with but I will give it a shot to see if it works. I have seen other 4.9's using a similar setup and have had no issues - we will see. I used a 3/8" stainless turn buckle. I picked up some Derlin bushings that fit snuggly into the eye of the turn buckle but had to drill out the inside for the 10mm bolts. I bolted it to the stock Dog Bone mount on the chassis and to the alternator bracket on the motor. After a few test drives this evening, so far so good. We will keep a close eye on it till I can fab a better bracket and build something with heim joints or something fancy like that. I really did not think the motor would move as much as it does - more so under load.

Second thing I needed to do was fab up a bracket / support for the rad hose - that was quick and easy - a piece of angle iron, a couple notches, drill a hole, add piece of muffler pipe split in half, a little bending and welding and that was done.

The last thing I had to do was "button up" the AC compressor. I had a couple little plastic plugs in it to keep the debris out but it's going to be awhile before I have time to get the AC going so I cut an AC hose manifold off a Caddy and sealed the stubs I left coming out of the block then bolted the block with seals to the compressor. Right now its just an elaborate idler pulley.

What's left? Well nothing that won't keep us from driving the car but I still have some things to do. The list is getting shorter.

Fab a box/scoop for the engine oil cooler to keep road and tire debris out of the cooler.
Install the firewall heat shield.
Drop the tank to work on the fuel level sender.
Rebuild the door hinges - parts ordered - will do that as soon as I have the parts - passenger door hinge pin is broken.
Finish the AC - need hoses and flush the system out then oil and charge it up.
I think we are going to take the interior out of the V8 Coupe and swap it into the XTC - I have a new direction for the V8 Coupe.
It will need new rotors and pads before the end of the summer - pads are ok now but the rotors are looking worn.
I'm sure I'll come up with a few more - we all know it never ends.

Watching the paint dry on the rad hose bracket:


Of course I had quality help!



Bracket installed:



Temporary Torque Strut:


Oil Cooler:


All buttoned up: - for now!


Red has her house back - all cleaned up after her 1500 mile trip to San Antonio for the Round Up!



More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #348, 05-19-2010 01:37 AM
      Here's a short clip of the exhaust - not really my cup of tea but the boy loves it - still needs a couple of tips - maybe he can find some short resonator tips to change the note a bit? It will do till he can afford something better.



josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #349, 05-19-2010 09:00 PM
      Pat, how many quarts of transmission fluid did you need to top off thte dip stick? I need to get some of that pretty soon.

Joe


katatak MSG #350, 05-19-2010 09:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat, how many quarts of transmission fluid did you need to top off thte dip stick? I need to get some of that pretty soon.

Joe


Hey Joe.

The trans had the tripots from the Caddy still in place when I got it from Carver1. I lost about 1.5 quarts when I swapped the axles. I ended up putting 2 quarts in it. Not sure if yours was drained - usually the majority of the trans oil is in the torque converter - if you did not split the motor / trans and drained the converter I would get the engine to temp then check the stick - add a quart at a time till it comes up on the stick then shift from park to reverse for a few seconds then to drive for a few then back to park and recheck.
If you did not drain it, i would think 3 or 4 quarts would fill the pan? I'll do some digging and see what I can find on 4t60 capacity.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #351, 05-19-2010 10:03 PM
      Thanks


Joe

Great idea, I just looked in my book, and it says up to 6.5 quarts. When I pulled out the old caddie tri-pots no fluid came out, so I am thinking its almost empty. Plus the trans cooler lines are both empty

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katatak MSG #352, 05-20-2010 10:16 PM
      Finally got the XTC cleaned up today. First bath since the swap started.







Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #353, 05-21-2010 12:35 AM
      Now she'll run like she looks.

katatak MSG #354, 05-22-2010 12:36 AM
      After fiddling with the AC on the Formula, I decided to rebuild the hinges for the XTC. I had an extra set of hinges in the shed and I ordered the parts for RD - they showed up today. Managed to get all four hinges rebuilt. Tomorrow we will install these hinges - or at least the driver will install these tomorrow - I am just going to watch - plus I will be starting another project tomorrow after I get the AC on the Formula going.

After a run to Dickey's BBQ Pit, I got out my favorite hinge destruction tools and went to work.


Anyone ever see a hinge pin like this one?


Its not wore out so I think I'll throw it my road trip tool bag - never know when you might need a quick hinge pin?

After knocking out the old pin and bushings, the new ones go in easy - well easy with a big hammer!


Two top hinges done:


Taking apart a bottom hinge: Watch out for that spring!


You have to grind the swedge off of the old roller pin:


Then knock it our with a punch:


Keep an eye on that spring - I have had them slip out of the press and go flying around the garage!


Finished Bottom Hinge:


All four ready to go on the car!


A sneak peak at my next major project!


More later!

Pat


katatak MSG #355, 05-22-2010 12:42 AM
      One more little project popped up with the XTC today. It looks like there is too much heat on the shift cable/shift lever at the trans. The plastic cable end will not stay snapped on the little ball pin on the lever - I think its melted the inside of the plastic end - not sure what the fix will be? Not sure I can rebuild all the brakets and get them away from the heat! Back to the drawing board I guess.

Pat


katatak MSG #356, 05-23-2010 02:17 PM
      Spent the better part of yesterday morning and this morning trying to rebuild the shift brackets. While I was messing with it yesterday, the guide tube on the shift cable broke off! So I had to mix up some epoxy and try and glue it back together. I used PC-7 - king of like JB weld. Well I got anxious and did not let it cure long enough and it started to crack. This morning, I went back to work on it and rebuilt the trans / shift lever. Also rebuilt the cable mount. Strated putting it togetner and my expoy broke.

After a few choice words, I regained my composure. I ended up wrapping fiberglass mat around it about 3 layers thinck, let it setup and it looks like it will hold - at least till I can get anohter cable. After a lot of trial and error - and I mean a lot of it. I think I have it corrected. I built a "pin" for the shft cable end to fit over with a washer and nut on top. Without the corssover pipe in place, everything worked perfectly. After the cross ove pipe was back in, that all changed.

With some manipulating, adjusting and a lot of cussing, I now have it working - well drivable anyways. I can get it into drive wtihout the cable hitting the crossover but can't down shift to 3,2,1. It's ok - the 16 year old does not need to be "banging" gears in with the auto anyway but it bugs me that it is not 100% functional - it will work for now but I have a new plan already brewing!

More later!

Pat


Gokart Mozart MSG #357, 05-23-2010 07:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Bracket installed:


Pat


Are you worried about the bracket pinching into the hose? If you extended the short end and had a curve in it that should alleviate any issues.


katatak MSG #358, 05-23-2010 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Are you worried about the bracket pinching into the hose? If you extended the short end and had a curve in it that should alleviate any issues.


The "cup" is positioned just below a formed curve in the hose. So far so good - no colapse or even a sag in the house. This hose is pretty stiff as it is. I was worried at first that it may cause a problem but after about 200 miles on it, I think it will be OK. Thanks for the reply.

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #359, 05-24-2010 01:56 PM
      Pat I want to make you aware of the West Coast Fiero's 4T60E shifter bracket. It uses center pivot between the shifter arm and the shifter cable, thus moving the cable and it's plastic center away from the heat by several inches. Copied from their web site:

T465E & T465EHD Transmission Shifter Adapter.


"The WCF T465E Shifter Adapter enables you to install the stock Fiero automatic transmission shifter cable to the T460E transmission, reversing the shift pattern on the transmission and providing cable clearance for the Exhaust manifold.

The shift lever on the T465E is 180 degrees out from the standard Fiero transmission. With this adapter, the shifter will function correctly, like the stock Fiero shifter.

The stock Fiero shift cable may be used in this application.


Please specify T465E transmission when ordering.
$120.00
Please specify T465EHD transmission when ordering. $120.00"
and a link, about half way down the page:
http://www.westcoastfiero.c...ion_accessories.html

A bit pricy I think, but food for thought.
Joe

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katatak MSG #360, 05-24-2010 10:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat I want to make you aware of the West Coast Fiero's 4T60E shifter bracket. It uses center pivot between the shifter arm and the shifter cable, thus moving the cable and it's plastic center away from the heat by several inches. Copied from their web site:

T465E & T465EHD Transmission Shifter Adapter.


"The WCF T465E Shifter Adapter enables you to install the stock Fiero automatic transmission shifter cable to the T460E transmission, reversing the shift pattern on the transmission and providing cable clearance for the Exhaust manifold.

The shift lever on the T465E is 180 degrees out from the standard Fiero transmission. With this adapter, the shifter will function correctly, like the stock Fiero shifter.

The stock Fiero shift cable may be used in this application.


Please specify T465E transmission when ordering.
$120.00
Please specify T465EHD transmission when ordering. $120.00"
and a link, about half way down the page:
http://www.westcoastfiero.c...ion_accessories.html

A bit pricy I think, but food for thought.
Joe



Wow... Thanks Joe! I was kinda thinking about a setup like that and how to make it work but could not "see" it. I agree - it's pricey but it may be just the trick. I imagine those would give the full range for all gears too! If my latest version fails ( and it most likely will). I may have to go this direction and then be done with it.


katatak MSG #361, 06-05-2010 12:31 AM
      New project for the XTC fell into my lap today.

I am going to install this into the XTC - will have to cut a "scoop" into the XTC deck lid but I think it will work out great and give the ol 4.9 all the cool fresh air it can suck in!





Moooowahaaaaaa! I Own Page Ten!

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katatak MSG #362, 06-10-2010 10:14 PM
      Update!

Worked on installing the rebuilt door hinges today. 102* outside did not slow him down. He got both side done before dark.


On another note, I noticed a problem with the 4.9 today. Can't put my finger on it just yet but it has kind of a "bog". When rolling along say 5 to 10 mph - mash the gas and bog. Acts like it's not getting any fuel - as soon as it shifts down, bam - it comes alive? Almost like rolling at 10 in 4th and mashing the gas - shift to 2nd and it takes off! I'll have to do some troubleshooting. I'll see what the guru's say over in tech.

More later

Pat


katatak MSG #363, 06-14-2010 04:56 PM
      Well after a few days of looking over the XTC this weekend, I have the problem solved or at least one of them. I spent about 15 hours yesterday tracing wires, checking voltage, bench testing fuel pumps, etc. etc. I have been in every possible location an old fat man can get into on the car - at least 3 times each! The car was really fighting me yesterday - add to that that I could not get it straight in my head how the wiring and the everything operates the fuel pump and it all equals a real hard time.

There is a 3 wire connector at the firewall that goes to the fuel tank. One Black, One Pink and One Brown w/ White stripe in that order. When I pulled the connector apart, the wires were a little brittle. I put my ohm meter on the black - o ohms and set off the continuity alarm. I put it on the pink - center wire and had 36.1 ohms but still tripped the continuity alarm? So I switched over to AC and found that this wire had 8.0 volts? Here's where I messed up. I had convinced myself right then and there that this was the reason for the poor fuel pressure - not enough voltage for the pump! Well after hours of reading, asking questions here on PFF and climbing in and out and under the car, I realized that this wire was for the gas gauge (this is a whole other issue).

I bench tested the pump that was in the car several times a few different ways and decided that it was OK. I put it back in the tank and just before I crawled under the car to put the tank back in, I decided to test it one more time. This time I could only get it to put out about 50 psi but it would not hold pressure - it dropped to 0 immediately! I ended up finding that it was leaking around the top of the pump. So I go buy another pump, install it, install the tank and get everything hooked up. This is where I discovered that I was looking at the wrong wire for pump voltage. Turns out that the brown w/ white stripe is the positive feed for the pump. I had the Wife cycle the key while I put the meter on the brown w/ white stripe wire and had 11.8 volts! All that head bashing against the wall because I did not complete my initial "checking of the wires". As soon as I had that 8.0 volts on the pink wire, I had the problem solved - not!.

So that leads to the gas gauge problem. Right now with the wire from the sending unit disconected and with the key off, the gas guage reads above the full mark. Turn the key on and it pegs. Someone said in the thread I posted in tech that I should have low voltage on this wire? So I'm thinking I have a bad gas gauge or something goofy in the cluster? That's another days project. I could barely walk this morning after my battle with it yesterday.

Pat


katatak MSG #364, 06-22-2010 02:14 PM
      Looks like more brake problems on the XTC. Son noticed a rubbing/grinding noise on the way home from work last night. I took it for a spin this AM. It only does it costing at less than 5mph. Dissapears with application of the brake pedal or pulling the hand brake. The right rear rotor looks pretty bad and I am missing an anti rattle clip on the outside pad. When it cools doen this evening, I'll tear it down and see whats up!

More later!

Pat



katatak MSG #365, 06-22-2010 09:56 PM
      Pulled the back tires off the XTC this afternoon and found that both rear calipers were loose - again - even with locktite? What is going on here? So I dismantled both sides, cleaned the threads out of the mounts and the threads on the bolts. Applied fresh thread locker - Blue - and reassembled. Hopefully this will be the last time I have to mess with these caliper bolts. Next time, a tack weld will be incorporated!

Pat



katatak MSG #366, 07-25-2010 04:44 PM
      This morning, I scrounged up an old air dam off an 86 SE for the XTC. As I have posted earlier in this thread, I have a "cooling" problem at hi way speeds - even with Duke it was an issue. It is all related to the front nose of the XTC body - it's longer and there is nothing to direct the air to the rad. I took the stock SE air dam and went under the front end. I found that most of the mounting holes in the air dam lined up with existing holes in the XTC chassis just under the rad. I had to "trim" the air dam on both ends and then bolted it on. We took her out for a spin and low and behold, it did make a difference - about 20* on the gauge. Went from 230* on the Interstate to 210*. Now we need to add a few internal air defelctors inside the nose from the grill to the rad to help direct more air through the grill. In was definitely an improvement. Should have done it a long time ago.

More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #367, 07-25-2010 05:22 PM
      Happy to see you guys are still alive out there in El Paso. I was beginning ot worry aout you .

Joe


katatak MSG #368, 07-28-2010 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Happy to see you guys are still alive out there in El Paso. I was beginning ot worry aout you .

Joe


Hey Joe,

Just got a lot of stuff happening these days. A 3800 SC swap, a 3.4 swap, maybe another 3.4 swap and a 2.8 upgrade. Just busy. How's that 4,9 coming? Have you been for a spin yet?

Pat


katatak MSG #369, 08-08-2010 10:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

New project for the XTC fell into my lap today.

I am going to install this into the XTC - will have to cut a "scoop" into the XTC deck lid but I think it will work out great and give the ol 4.9 all the cool fresh air it can suck in!





Moooowahaaaaaa! I Own Page Ten!



This morning, we went to work on the deck lid of the XTC to install the "above air cleaner setup. I was a little nervous to begin with - It's just hard to start cutting on a perfectly good hood. But we bit our lips and dove in.

Underneath side - matched to the air cleaner gasket - need to do some "finish" work but this will do till we get going on the body and paint:


Flipped it over and cut the top side - a little more nerv racking: No going back now!


Trim and sand and fit and trim and sand and fit and repeat!


Getting closer:


Done for now:


I love this pic!


When we start the body work in a month or so, the plan is to flush mount these into the deck and smooth / blend it all together - it's functional for now and it does not look too bad as is. These are scoops off a T Bird Turbo Coupe.

A parting shot:


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #370, 08-09-2010 12:30 AM
     

love the decklid mods ! Functional and looks great !

You mentioned body work, what other mods do you have planned ??

I like the car, but i just think the front and rear overhang are just too much. If both were shorter the XTC would be totally killer.

hehehe but that is waaaay easier said than done, At any rate good job on the modification,


Rick 88 MSG #371, 08-09-2010 09:11 PM
      Scoops look great Pat! The XTC will be even faster now.

katatak MSG #372, 08-11-2010 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
love the decklid mods ! Functional and looks great !

You mentioned body work, what other mods do you have planned ??

I like the car, but i just think the front and rear overhang are just too much. If both were shorter the XTC would be totally killer.

hehehe but that is waaaay easier said than done, At any rate good job on the modification,


We are planning on shortening the back - about 4" to 5". Looks like it will be fairly straight forward for the rear. The front will be tougher to get right. It's hard to shorten a "wedge" without a lot of work. We may just cut rhe nose off and build a new - shorter nose? Another mod is to remove the "flair" at the rockers and all the way around the car - basically round the flair off. Also plan on filling in the "belt line", smoothing out the "louvers" ahead of the headlights and rehape the head light covers. Looking at the 1/4 window area for some changes - it just looks unfinished. Also need to spend a lot of time "adjusting" the body to get all the door seams right. I am tihnking about taking the body off and starting over on the body mounts. The original builder did not do a great job and there are some issues that need to be fixed before we spend a lot of time on body changes. It will be a big project but I am looking forward to it. Thanks for your reply.

Pat


katatak MSG #373, 08-11-2010 11:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Scoops look great Pat! The XTC will be even faster now.


Ha - Rick! I think that added at least another 25 HP......lol It turned out pretty good but will be better once we blend it all together.


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #374, 08-13-2010 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


We are planning on shortening the back - about 4" to 5". Looks like it will be fairly straight forward for the rear. The front will be tougher to get right. It's hard to shorten a "wedge" without a lot of work. We may just cut rhe nose off and build a new - shorter nose? Another mod is to remove the "flair" at the rockers and all the way around the car - basically round the flair off. Also plan on filling in the "belt line", smoothing out the "louvers" ahead of the headlights and rehape the head light covers. Looking at the 1/4 window area for some changes - it just looks unfinished. Also need to spend a lot of time "adjusting" the body to get all the door seams right. I am tihnking about taking the body off and starting over on the body mounts. The original builder did not do a great job and there are some issues that need to be fixed before we spend a lot of time on body changes. It will be a big project but I am looking forward to it. Thanks for your reply.

Pat



WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!

That sounds like a job for a profeshunal! I'll be down there with my "tools"*

* "tools" = BF Hammer, Sawzall, another BF Hammer, and a prybar.



Rick 88 MSG #375, 08-13-2010 07:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carver1:
WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!

That sounds like a job for a profeshunal! I'll be down there with my "tools"*

* "tools" = BF Hammer, Sawzall, another BF Hammer, and a prybar.






katatak MSG #376, 08-14-2010 11:06 PM
      Going to install the AC lines in the AM and see if we can get the AC to work! Should be fun!

Pat



falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #377, 08-21-2010 12:07 PM
      Did you received my PM?



katatak MSG #378, 09-07-2010 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by falcon_ca:

Did you received my PM?



Did not see your PM - have not checked in here in awhile - send it again.

Pat



katatak MSG #379, 09-07-2010 11:45 PM
      Update:

Installed a "short" shifter that we got from Carver1. Also fixed some "damage" sustained after a brief encounter with a curb - seems like a U rutn was taken a little fast and then a slight tap of the throttle spun the car out of control and left it sitting on top of the curb. Put a good wanger in the right front rim. Pushed the right front valance back into the tire. I was amazed that it did not explode the fiberglass. Just a rub spot where it hit the curb and bent 2 mount brackets. CJ spent the whole day sworking on the car and did all the work himself - I was proud to see him take on the repairs and the shifter project all on his own.

More later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #380, 09-08-2010 08:45 AM
      P,

Just caught myself up on the thread - LOOKING GOOD! The vents look great! I'm glad you found a place for them. Many many years ago I had a replica Porsche 550 Spyder and remember having to cut into the finished painted body to make holes for jacking points and other misc items. That first cut into the body was so nerve racking!


katatak MSG #381, 09-13-2010 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

P,

Just caught myself up on the thread - LOOKING GOOD! The vents look great! I'm glad you found a place for them. Many many years ago I had a replica Porsche 550 Spyder and remember having to cut into the finished painted body to make holes for jacking points and other misc items. That first cut into the body was so nerve racking!


I hear that! This winter when we start all the body mods, it's going to be nerve racking. At least I can butter it back together if I mess it up. I miaght just have to put all the original Coupe body panels back on it after I mess up the XTC body!

Pat


Fiero1K (nate.classic@gmail.com) MSG #382, 09-19-2010 11:13 AM
     

I photoshopped this up a while ago, here's what it could look like...sort of. I madcurl'd the wheels, chopped it, gave it bigger wheel wells, lengthened the sail panel, and of course, shortened the overhangs.

[This message has been edited by Fiero1K (edited 09-19-2010).]

Rick 88 MSG #383, 09-21-2010 08:15 PM
      If only it was that easy to do in real life.....looks great!

katatak MSG #384, 09-22-2010 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1K:



I photoshopped this up a while ago, here's what it could look like...sort of. I madcurl'd the wheels, chopped it, gave it bigger wheel wells, lengthened the sail panel, and of course, shortened the overhangs.



That is sick!


Tony Kania MSG #385, 09-23-2010 11:49 AM
      I wonder if it would be easier to donuts in with the shortened overhangs? (Back to my bridge I go...)

Sofa King MSG #386, 09-23-2010 12:52 PM
      OK. So... is it done yet?

Rick 88 MSG #387, 09-23-2010 05:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I wonder if it would be easier to donuts in with the shortened overhangs? (Back to my bridge I go...)




katatak MSG #388, 09-26-2010 12:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I wonder if it would be easier to donuts in with the shortened overhangs? (Back to my bridge I go...)


He already "spun" out and parked it on a curb!


Carver1 (carver1@gmail.com) MSG #389, 09-28-2010 04:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1K:



I photoshopped this up a while ago, here's what it could look like...sort of. I madcurl'd the wheels, chopped it, gave it bigger wheel wells, lengthened the sail panel, and of course, shortened the overhangs.



That resembles the new Camaro alot.



DavePatron MSG #390, 09-28-2010 04:59 PM
      wow those wheels make it look really aggressive. good job man!



katatak MSG #391, 10-12-2010 11:10 PM
      Update!

Now that the temps are cooling off here in far West Texas, I am planning on starting an interior rebuild for the XTC. I have a few "concepts" that my good friend "Sofa King" did for me last year and I am going to attempt to build an interior that will do justice to his design.

I have been gathering interior parts and have everything I need to get started. The last piece of the puzzle is a "parts" car. I really just want the Fiero "cab" - frame with the front cut off from the trunk wall forward and the rear from the firewall back. Plus cut the roof off to make for "easy" access. This way I can mount it on a roll around cart and get it inside my work shop out back. I can build all the interior parts in the cab and not have to worry about resin dripping in the car, etc. I can use the front part I cut off for a "Fiero Trailer" project I have planned and the back end will be used for an engine swap mock up fixture.

Don't worry, I will not chop up a potential "driver". I have located an 85 GT in the junk yard and if I can get just the chassis for 100.00 to 200.00, I'll chop it up for what I need. While I am building the interior out back, we will be performing major body surgery on the XTC in the garage out front. The plan is to have it completed by Spring. It's a lofty goal but I think we can get it done.

Pat


katatak MSG #392, 11-22-2010 07:39 PM
      Update:

Well my son came to me last night and told me that he did not want the XTC anymore! He has his eyes set on my Formula? So today, it's official. He now drives the Formula and I have posession of the XTC once again. This changes everything! Now I have to get the V8 Coupe up and running so I can tear into the XTC - it will need a lot of work before I will drive it much. Lot's planned and I am hoping to have it done for the Gunnison run in August next year.

I will be removing the interior this week. Once that is done, the body work on the outside will begin. Lot's of mods planned for the body and the interior. Fortunately, the car needs nothing mechanically. I'll update with pics as I go. Looks like I'll have 2 Fiero projects going at once.

More later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #393, 11-23-2010 09:18 AM
      So Pat...

Is this a good update? Are you glad to be taking over the XTC project?


Sofa King MSG #394, 11-23-2010 09:19 AM
      So Pat...

I hope this a good update? Are you glad to be taking over the XTC project?


katatak MSG #395, 11-23-2010 01:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

So Pat...

I hope this a good update? Are you glad to be taking over the XTC project?


Yep..... Good turn of events! I have been reluctant to "work" on the XTC - wanting my son to be the guy to do anything to the car. Now that his HS football is finished, he is focused on working to save money before he heads off to college next year. His priorities have changed - for the better I think. He is really focused on going to a technical school. It looks like either UTI, Wyo Tech or Redstone?

I'm lookiong forward to working the XTC over - kind of been my plan all along. I'll be needing your help Greg! I need to get the V8 Coupe running/driving first. Then I can concentrate on the XTC. The planned body mods will be a big challenge but one I am looking forward too! If I did not have the coupe torn apart right now, the XTC would be getting al the attention.

SOmething for you to think about. I'll try and dig up some pics but if you find some free time, look for some interior shots for a 1965 Buick Rivy! I am looking at that basic form for the XTC interior. I want the center console to be no wider than the actual tunnel and slightly taper to be narrower on top. I'll send you some pics as soon as I can find some.

Pat


Pat


katatak MSG #396, 11-23-2010 01:54 PM
      Hey Greg!

Here's some pics of what I am thinking. Of course I will "modernize" this some but this is the basic form I like. PLan is for a complete dash rebuild integrated into the console, arm rest, etc.

I really love this dash look:




Pat


Sofa King MSG #397, 11-23-2010 02:34 PM
      I LOVE IT! That's going to be a fun build!

Sofa King MSG #398, 11-23-2010 02:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

I'll be needing your help Greg!... SOmething for you to think about. I'll try and dig up some pics but if you find some free time, look for some interior shots for a 1965 Buick Rivy! I am looking at that basic form for the XTC interior. I want the center console to be no wider than the actual tunnel and slightly taper to be narrower on top. I'll send you some pics as soon as I can find some.


I'm in! If you can, send me a pic of the interior without the dash. I'll start banging my head on the desk for ideas!


katatak MSG #399, 12-14-2010 08:57 PM
      Well I finally got around to fooling around with the XTC today. I had a few things that needed attention and I wanted to install a shift cable braket that I fabbed up so I dove into it.

First issue is that the car seemed to be running rich? So I pulled the air cleaner off and noticed that the air filter was nearly plugged. We installed this setup from Jeff's 88 GT and I guess we never really looked at the filter. It's a K&N so I cleaned and rinsed it, reoiled it and reinstalled - what a difference! I'll have to keep a closer eye on that from now on.

Second issue was that when I built the exhaust, I intended on picking up some nice tips to extend out past the lower rear valance. I never got around to it and because the exhaust was dumping just behind the valance, it was starting to burn the fiberglass. I spent a week searching around town and on the net and just could not find a set of tips that I liked - mosty due to price - as these are only temporary until we start the body mods in January. What I ended up doing was getting some exhaust pipe and cut it to length, slipped them onto the mufflers and gave them a shot of VHT high heat paint. I had to do a little trimming on the valance but it turned out ok. It will work until I cut the back off the car.

Nice clean Air Filter made a big difference - I'm thinking I might even get a little better MPG.


Installed a new shift cable bracket - I have driven the car a few miles and this setup seems to work fine. I still can't get 1st but I think I can adjust it a little and get it.


Pre tips!


Left side!


Right side with paint:


Left side with paint:


And both!


Then I got a wild hair and decided to see what the tires and wheel I got for the V8 Coupe would look like on the XTC. I kind of like the look but the tires are too "tall" and actually rubbed in the fender well while turning. Plus, it still has the problem of not sitting "out" enough. I am searching now for some custom rims to get the right offset without having to use the spacers. I think these will look good on the V8 Coupe!



More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #400, 12-15-2010 03:15 PM
      PFS: Fiero Mera Cromodora like wheels with nearly new BF Goodrich tires - $799

Pat, the wheels in this thread have a lot of negative offset. They might work on the XTC.


katatak MSG #401, 12-15-2010 11:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

PFS: Fiero Mera Cromodora like wheels with nearly new BF Goodrich tires - $799

Pat, the wheels in this thread have a lot of negative offset. They might work on the XTC.


Thanks Rick! I'll take a look.

Pat


katatak MSG #402, 12-18-2010 09:44 PM
     

Foam Core boards can only mean one thing here at Howser's Howse of Fiero's! It's that time of year again when I dive into fiberglass projects. Last year at this time, I was redoing the interior in my V8 Coupe. This winter is the XTC's turn. First on the list is a new dash. I have been thinking about this project for a year now and it has gone through many "designs" but I have finally settled on one. Of course it will most likely change as it goes along but I have to start somewhere.

I found some pics a few months ago of the dash in a 65 Buick Riviera. I think - and I could be worng - that the lines and angles of this dash fit the angles and line of the XTC - or at least the lines of the XTC when we finish the "exterior" rehab. This new dash will not be a replica of the Buick dash. It's just a place to start.



So the first thing I did was go out to the XTC and take some measurements. Then I dug out my "donor" dash and started to cut and fit the foam core.



This is the basic dash top. It will have places for some nice speakers and the defrost vent from the stock dash will be transfered to this dash.


Next step was to clamp it to the donor dash and angle off the sides. Working with this foam core and hot glue is too easy!




Then it was time to fill in the bottom of the dash.






Then I mocked up the instrument cluster/console face.




I still have to fill in the outer edges - incorporate the outside ac duct but the basic shape is there.


Next step is to clean out my work shop out back as I do not think my better half will let me do anymore Fiero work on the dining room table. It was a good thing she was out shopping all day.

More later!

Pat




katatak MSG #403, 12-19-2010 08:37 PM
      Did some work on the XTC today - the fuel gauge has been inop since the last fuel pump replacement - guage is pegged all the time so I thought maybe the gauge was stuck or bad. I tore the dash apart and discovered something a little scary. My son had wired in some fog lights and installed the switch on the right side of the dash. When I pulled the switch/cover from the dash, this is what I found!



I have never seen a fuse melt and not be blown like this one! Maybe there is a short somewhere and the hot wire to the fog light is shorting out somewhere? I'll have to trace the wires now.


More later!

Pat


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #404, 12-19-2010 10:35 PM
      chinese fuses...not the first one ive seen melt down...

Bob


Sofa King MSG #405, 12-20-2010 10:24 AM
      Foam Core... is there anything it can't do? The mock up is looking good. The overhang looks a little deep. Is it supposed to go out that far?

RWDPLZ MSG #406, 12-20-2010 10:27 AM
      There was a news story a while back about some chinese fuses that would melt rather than blow.

katatak MSG #407, 12-20-2010 09:24 PM
      RCR, RWDPLZ, After looking at it a little closer, it lookes like the power feed and the power line going out to the fog lights got hot and melted together basically bypassing the fuse and then the fuse got hot and melted. I winder why the fuse did not blow before the wires got hot and melted. There has to be a short somewhere but I will replace the fuse with better quality one.

katatak MSG #408, 12-20-2010 09:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Foam Core... is there anything it can't do? The mock up is looking good. The overhang looks a little deep. Is it supposed to go out that far?


Hey Greg!

Not sure yet about the overhang. I need to get it in the car and look at it. It does not come out as far as the gauge pod but you may be right. It could be the angle and location of "dash" fave plate that makes it look so deep? I have to tear the guage pod apart again this weekend to trace some shorted wires. I can set the mock up in the car and get a better idea of where I need to adjust. I am thinking that it may be too "flat" too. I think it needs to angle up a little more? I'll probably change it 10 times.

Pat


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #409, 12-21-2010 07:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

RCR, RWDPLZ, After looking at it a little closer, it lookes like the power feed and the power line going out to the fog lights got hot and melted together basically bypassing the fuse and then the fuse got hot and melted. I winder why the fuse did not blow before the wires got hot and melted. There has to be a short somewhere but I will replace the fuse with better quality one.


They got hot and melted because the fuse did not blow. Might not be a short, just too much current drawn on the line. I don't recall off hand what value a blue fuse is, 15A?. Did you have it properly sized? Fog lights should be in the 5 to 10 A range I'm guessing (or about 45 to 60W)...

Bob

[This message has been edited by RCR (edited 12-21-2010).]

Sofa King MSG #410, 12-21-2010 09:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


I am thinking that it may be too "flat" too. I think it needs to angle up a little more? I'll probably change it 10 times.

Pat


It looks good so far. Having worked with foam core, I know where you're headed with the design. Also, the flatter the surface on top, the bigger chance you have at a MASSIVE reflection in the windshield - that can cause problems when driving. With an area that large, I hope you're planning on flat black or a dark grey? But I know you have everything under control...


katatak MSG #411, 12-22-2010 02:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


They got hot and melted because the fuse did not blow. Might not be a short, just too much current drawn on the line. I don't recall off hand what value a blue fuse is, 15A?. Did you have it properly sized? Fog lights should be in the 5 to 10 A range I'm guessing (or about 45 to 60W)...

Bob




Its a 10A I believe - its the fuse that came with the wiring harness for the fog lights. But, I looked at it this afternoon and found where he had 2 sets of fogs wired into this switch - I think he was drawing too much through this switch. I'll have some pics later in the week!


katatak MSG #412, 12-22-2010 02:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


It looks good so far. Having worked with foam core, I know where you're headed with the design. Also, the flatter the surface on top, the bigger chance you have at a MASSIVE reflection in the windshield - that can cause problems when driving. With an area that large, I hope you're planning on flat black or a dark grey? But I know you have everything under control...


I hear ya Greg! By the time I build in some speaker pods and a few other "tricks" I think it won't be so flat and partially covered in pleather. suede, etc.???? I'll have it in the car this weekend and we can tweak it all we want then.

Have you ever seen "Spectre Chrome"? Chrome paint that can be tinted? I'll send you a link. I have a few ideas to "recreate" some nice chrome trim pieces for the dash and door panels? Maybe not for the XTC project but may of some interest.

More later!

Pat


Sofa King MSG #413, 12-22-2010 07:57 AM
      I think know what paint you're referring to... send me the link. I'll check it out

RWDPLZ MSG #414, 12-22-2010 09:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Its a 10A I believe - its the fuse that came with the wiring harness for the fog lights.


blue = 15 A
red = 10 A
yellow = 20 A


katatak MSG #415, 12-26-2010 05:49 PM
      It was pushing 65 today and I needed to work off all the food I consumed yesterday and last night so I decided it was time to clean my work shop up. It was a mess after Jeff and I did the body and paint work on the Bus in October/November. I can;t believe how much more crap I have compared to this time last year. I really need to maek a dump run but I can't bring myself to toss out any Fiero stuff - even the stuff I know is junk? Maybe I need to be on that show called "Hoarders"? Anyway, It was not as bad as it looked but there was so much stuff scattered around that you could barely walk through it. Now it's done and ready for my Winter Fiberglass project for the XTC. A week ago, I mocked up a new dash for the XTC and after looking at it for a few days, I have decided that it needs a tweak or two. I think I'll cut this one apart and basically start over. It's a little too deep I believe so I'll shorten up the top and change the underside to fit. I will mock up the entire dash and console in the work shop, get it just the way I like it and then start glassing. It's an ambitious project - but I think I can pull it off.

At least I can walk through the shop now!


Anyone need any Fiero parts?


As it sits right now:



More later!

Pat

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Fiero38SC (jrhaughey@gmail.com) MSG #416, 12-27-2010 12:46 PM
      Wow. I don't know too many people with three engine stands.

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #417, 12-27-2010 08:41 PM
      Pat will you come clean my garage up this weekend? My wife has called the TV show 'Hoarders' on me too!!
Joe


Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #418, 12-27-2010 08:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero38SC:

Wow. I don't know too many people with three engine stands.


Better yet, how many people do you know that can have all three of them in use at any given time? Pat is Superman.


katatak MSG #419, 12-27-2010 10:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero38SC:

Wow. I don't know too many people with three engine stands.


Up until about 3 weeks ago, they all had motors on them too! - Actually one belongs to a friend and one I just picked up from a neighbor that is moving - for 10 bucks I could not refuse!


katatak MSG #420, 12-27-2010 10:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Pat will you come clean my garage up this weekend? My wife has called the TV show 'Hoarders' on me too!!
Joe


I'll be right over Joe........... If I can find a Fiero here that will make the trip!


katatak MSG #421, 12-27-2010 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


Better yet, how many people do you know that can have all three of them in use at any given time? Pat is Superman.


Except I change in a Fiero versus a phone booth! I think if a guy has 3 or 4 engine stands, they should have an engine on them! I have room now for that 3800 SC Dan! We need to go looking around one day this week for some swap parts.....


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #422, 12-28-2010 12:52 PM
      Never did hear how the 'clone ' worked out Pat.

Frizlefrak (dcarson@elp.rr.com) MSG #423, 12-28-2010 06:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:


Except I change in a Fiero versus a phone booth! I think if a guy has 3 or 4 engine stands, they should have an engine on them! I have room now for that 3800 SC Dan! We need to go looking around one day this week for some swap parts.....


I'm up for some junkyard scavenging......gimme a call and let me know what your schedule looks like this week.


katatak MSG #424, 12-28-2010 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by josef644:

Never did hear how the 'clone ' worked out Pat.


I have it installed and it's working - needs some adjustment but I'm close. going to build the next generation in a week or two - I'll keep you posted.

Pat


katatak MSG #425, 12-28-2010 08:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Frizlefrak:


I'm up for some junkyard scavenging......gimme a call and let me know what your schedule looks like this week.


I got vetoed today and I will be spending the next 2 days in New Mexico babysitting a crew. I'll give you a call tomorrow when I get some cell service - still out here at Akela on the track @ 6:45 pm! I love these 18 hour days.

Pat


katatak MSG #426, 01-08-2011 04:36 PM
      Took the XTC to a monthly car nut get together this AM. A local car club holds "Caffiene and Octane" at a local Starbucks the second Saturday of each month. Jeff took his 88 3800 SC GT. We were the only Fiero's in the bunch and they generated a lot of attention. There were some pretty nice cars in the bunch - most I had never seen before. There were 3 Factory Five Cobra's and it was a lot of fun talking to those 3 guys.

On the way home, my fuel door kept flopping open so I decided that it was time to fix it. I ran by the Mega Pull and picked up another latch and some pieces and parts for the fuel door then spent about 10 minutes repairing it. Been having this problem for over 2 years! It's the little things that drive you nuts on these cars.

Fuel Door pieces and parts:



Old one out


New (used) one in!


A few shots from the rod run:









And a very nice Camaro






I'm going to work on the front end of the XTC this afternoon. I need to straighten out the steering wheel and I have a slight tire rub in the rear fenderwell that needs some trimming. If you are going to drive them, you better be prepared to fix them!

More later!

Pat

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Rick 88 MSG #427, 01-08-2011 08:38 PM
      Hey Pat, you missed a pic of the newest Corvette there!

On your gas door, does it use that metal spring? My car does not have one but I don't know if it will fit. The yellow GT did and it held the door open when I would gas it up.


katatak MSG #428, 01-08-2011 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Hey Pat, you missed a pic of the newest Corvette there!

On your gas door, does it use that metal spring? My car does not have one but I don't know if it will fit. The yellow GT did and it held the door open when I would gas it up.


I know Rick! the batteries died in my camera before I could get pics of the New Vette.

Yes it uses the spring and I have an extra one we can try. I hate it when the gas door flops around! The issue with mine was that the spring loaded latch was goofy and it would not hold the door closed.. It fits noce and tight now.

As a side note, while I was at the Mega Pull, I wandered around because I am looking for a 500 Caddy motor for my 47 project. A few weeks before Xmas, they had brought in a new 71 Caddy and I was there when they put it out in the lot. I thought I hit the jackpot but when I raised the hood, it was a 472 and it was missing the top end. Being the seasoned junk yard lurker that I am, I checked the trunk. Sure enough, all the top end parts were there including a fresh rebuilt set of heads wraped in plastic. I shoved them over in the corner of the trunk and covered them up figuring I'd come back later and get some casting numbers, etc. etc.

Fast forward to today. The same car is still there so I look in the trunk and the heads are sitting out in the weather - plastic wrap is gone - surface rust had began. I was on my motorcycle so I had no way of taking them home but I did get the casting numbers - they are "902" 76cc heads - these heads were used on the 472 and 500 and are the sought after iron heads for the hot rod 500 Caddy builds! I went home, got the car and headed right back. They are now in my garage. I took a wire brush to them and gave them a coat of oil. I'll have them checked out at the machine shop before I bolt them on but I made a big score - 60.00 for the pair! Reconditioned sets run in the 700.00 range - cores are worth 300.00! I know it's not Fiero related but I was there getting Fiero parts so it kind of fits. Plus I think folks like a good "score" story!


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katatak MSG #429, 01-09-2011 06:44 PM
      Another little PITA reared it's ugly head today. The passenger door lock has been sticking and has been a major pain to get the door unlocked. This afternoon, while I was tikering around looking at all the body work I have to do, I decided to fix it. Thankfully, it was just a little adjustment but I had to remove the outer door skin to get to it. While it was apart, I lubed up the mechanism. I also lubed up the hinges, roller and spring pivots.





I also had to work on the passenger rear inner fenderwell - it has been rubbing on the tire so I had to trim some of it away. The little things never end on these cars. I guess it's the price we pay for all the fun we get to have!

As soon as I get the V8 Coupe done, I am going to start the body work on the XTC. I have a lot planned - just don;t know where to start. I think the first thing I will do is start on the rockers. I was looking at them today and I think I can take them off the car pretty easy. The plan is to cut the "flare" off and then round them under the car.

Current:

And a "line" showing how I want it - I don't have photo shop but you get the idea.


More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #430, 01-10-2011 06:41 PM
      Hey Pat, what a deal on those heads! I like the idea for the rockers. It will clean up the side of the car a lot. Speaking of clean up, someone wrote all over your wheels. I am off this weekend, Maybe we can try the gas door spring on my car. I was not sure if it was something that has to be removed on a Mera door. It would be nice if it stayed open when I put gas in it.........

katatak MSG #431, 01-10-2011 07:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

Hey Pat, what a deal on those heads! I like the idea for the rockers. It will clean up the side of the car a lot. Speaking of clean up, someone wrote all over your wheels. I am off this weekend, Maybe we can try the gas door spring on my car. I was not sure if it was something that has to be removed on a Mera door. It would be nice if it stayed open when I put gas in it.........


Yep....Scored on the heads! I am also planning on eliminating the flair all the way around the rear valance and the sides of the front valance - I plan to leave it on the front as a "spoiler" but it might have to go when I shorten the nose! COme on by this weekend - plan on spending the weekend wrenchig on Fiero's. If my V8 parts do not show up, I am going to start a "power" window/glass replacement project on the XTC. I am tired of cranking the windows up and down by hand! Especially the Passenger side when there is no passenger! While I have the dash off to run the power window wires, I want to stuff a pait of 6X9's in the stock dash speaker spots. I beleive that I will have to "modify" the AC ducts some but I think I can handle it.


katatak MSG #432, 03-02-2011 06:29 PM
      So it's been almost 2 months since I have done anything to the XTC. It's pretty much been parked - I start it on ocaision and move it around in the driveway but the rotors and pads are worn badly and the squeaking poly bushings were driving me nuts - plus the youngest decided he wanted it back, drove it a little then decided it was cheaper on gas to drive the Formula! Kids? Anywya, I ordered new rotors and pads and they finally arrived so I will be doing a brake job this weekend. While I am doing that, I am going to see what I can go about the squaky poly bushings. I may have to remove them and regrease them?

I love shiny parts!


More later!

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #433, 03-02-2011 08:10 PM
      Ditto on the poly bushings for me.....One guy said he used 4 tubes of lube to get them to quit squeaking........
Nice rotors,,,,,are they from ebay?


katatak MSG #434, 03-20-2011 10:36 PM
      The XTC has new brakes!

Installed new rotors and ceramic pads today:




katatak MSG #435, 04-05-2011 08:17 PM
      After neglecting the XTC for the last few weeks, my son has been driving it the last few days - it has not been driven since we put the ne brakes on it and today, I noticed that the front rotors were wearing funny. So this afternoon, we tore it down to take a look. What I found was odd. The new pads we put on had 2 bumps on the back side and would not sit flat on the outer half of the caliper. I never paid any attention to them when we installed them. I thought maybe we got the pads switched so i pulled the inners and they were the same. These are not the 2 bumoe that sit in the dimples in the piston - rather on the outer edge of the pad? I guess that's what you get when you buy off the internet. Anyway, some quick work with the bench grinder and the bumps were gone - reinstalled - problem sovled!

You can see the uneven wear on the outside of the rotor - inside was fine - the outer pad was wearing at an angle!





More later!

Pat


josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #436, 04-05-2011 08:23 PM
      I'm guessing you have wheel extensions?
-Joe


Logan (dyno1385@aol.com) MSG #437, 05-05-2011 09:49 PM
     

Is this exhaust for sale! if so PM me shoot me what you want for it if it is for sale!
Thank You


katatak MSG #438, 05-22-2011 11:49 PM
      The XTC heads of for body and paint in the AM! Now what color am I gong to paint it? I'm liking this Ice Blue!


katatak MSG #439, 05-23-2011 12:06 AM
      Here are a few more - I was wrong about the Japan Lambo - It's a special edition for China!

The China Edition: It's a little on the dark side but I like it.


Here's another scheme I like:


katatak MSG #440, 05-23-2011 12:23 PM
      Loaded it up and sent it off to the paint shop this AM. One big step closer to being complete! Still have some interior work to do and get the AC working. If it all comes together by August, I'll be taking it to the Gunnison run! I think I am going with an Ice Blue metalic. Going to go look at some paint charts today.


More later!

Pat



Sofa King MSG #441, 06-08-2011 08:19 AM
      The XTC is off to paint?! Fantastic!

Rick 88 MSG #442, 06-18-2011 08:04 AM
     

katatak MSG #443, 06-18-2011 11:00 PM
      Got her back this morning. Paint looks good but not completely happy with the prep and bodywork. The guy was kind of sloppy too. Got overspary on some of the interior and primer on some of the weather seal around the doors plus overspary on the motor & in the spare tire area. Nothing that won;t clean up but it is a little crappy. The color is great - shows off all the body lines really well. I need to find a suitable belt line molding, highlight the air intakes (mesh) and do a little "claen" up. The paint itself is smooth as glass and is really nice but he did not spend a lot of time fixing little imperfections. On with the show!
















More later!

Pat


BlackThunderGT MSG #444, 06-19-2011 12:58 PM
      Pat,
The color looks great!



katatak MSG #445, 06-19-2011 04:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BlackThunderGT:

Pat,
The color looks great!


Thank you sir! I think it was a pretty good choice for the lines of the car. Under street lights it has a amethyst tint to it.


1988holleyformula MSG #446, 06-19-2011 10:47 PM
      First off, that paint looks sweet! Really brings out the 'exotic' look of the XTC.

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that the decklid vents would be glassed in before paint...?
Not a big deal, and they actually kinda stand out a bit more, if that's the look you were going for. I myself would prefer the stealth look.


katatak MSG #447, 06-20-2011 01:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:

First off, that paint looks sweet! Really brings out the 'exotic' look of the XTC.

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that the decklid vents would be glassed in before paint...?
Not a big deal, and they actually kinda stand out a bit more, if that's the look you were going for. I myself would prefer the stealth look.


You are right, That was the origianl plan. The paint deal came up so quick it simply was overlooked. It still can be done - just would have to re paint the decklid - I have enough leftover paint to do the job. The car is up for sale over in the mall and on CL right now.

Thanks for your reply.

Pat


Carcenomy MSG #448, 06-20-2011 02:04 AM
      Oooooh, the new colour looks really good katatak. Are you gonna paint the sails in black?

josef644 (josef644@hotmail.com) MSG #449, 06-20-2011 06:27 PM
      Graet looking car Pat.

ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #450, 06-20-2011 11:58 PM
      Now that looks NICE!
al


katatak MSG #451, 06-21-2011 12:16 AM
      Thanks all for the comments.

Here's a list of what I want to do to the car next:

Paint all the "scoop" mesh black or a dark charcoal. There is a color out there in Rustoleum called "Cast Iron". I painted the motor in my 86 Coupe this color and I am going to paint the rear vent this color and see how it looks - I can always change it to black.

Finish the AC!

Detail under the hood - clean it up - repaint it semi gloss black.

Install new windshield.

Detail under the decklid - clean it up and paint it semi gloss black - detail the engine compartment and reinstall the trunk carpet.

Rehab the interior - remove all the intierior - repaint the trim, dash and console pieces and clean the carpet.

Buy/Fab and install new belt line trim - not sure what I am going to use yet. It had a simple "stick on" black door trim/molding. I need to look around and see what's available.

The right front lower valance brakets are bent and allows the valance to hang too low - I will tear it apart and fix that.

Not sure where I will start first - trying to sell it at the moment but so far there is not much interest. I'll start working on it this weekend though. It would be nice to actually "complete" a project before I move on to another one.

More later!

Pat


Rick 88 MSG #452, 06-21-2011 05:42 PM
      Pat,

I think you can find a bulk roll of black self adhesive body side moulding at Alamo or APS wareshouse that should work. Or, you could just paint the channel black like on the Mera.

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katatak MSG #453, 07-01-2011 08:45 PM
      The XTC is up for sale - Out on EBay with a starting bid of 4500.00! Can't build one like it for that much!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...eName=STRK:MESELX:IT


Sofa King MSG #454, 07-02-2011 10:23 AM
      WHOA! The car look great! But why are you selling?

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katatak MSG #455, 07-03-2011 10:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

WHOA! The car look great! But why are you selling?



First off - I need to raise some funds to buy my son a reliable driver - he's off to college in the Fall and secondly, I need to make room for a new project! The whole fleet if up for sale. My plan is to move to of the Fiero's - which ever one does not sell will be the one I keep as a driver.


katatak MSG #456, 07-05-2011 01:39 PM
      .
Pat

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Sofa King MSG #457, 07-18-2011 11:21 AM
      Not sure I quite understood what you wrote... so are you moving away from the Fiero all together?

BlackThunderGT MSG #458, 07-18-2011 02:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Not sure I quite understood what you wrote... so are you moving away from the Fiero all together?


This might clear it up

 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
which ever one does not sell will be the one I keep as a driver.


 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:
I'll still have the Formula - just need to raise funds to build my next dream machine - I have always wanted a Cobra. I've come to realize that crawling around on the garage floor is getting harder and harder to do. I figure I need to get after it now before I get to the point where I can't. I am actually leaning toward the Factory 5 Daytona Coupe. I'll never be ble to afford a "real" one at 10 million bucks so why not build my own?
Pat


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/056919.html



katatak MSG #459, 07-24-2011 10:59 PM
      The XTC has sold to a new owner. Not sure if they are a PFF member? Hopefully, the new owner will continue to add updates as the car goes forward. Congrats to the new owner. I will update when the car ships.

Thanks to everyone that has helped, commented and watched this thread.

Pat

Update:

Just talked to the new owner - car is going to Colorado next weekend!

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katatak MSG #460, 07-29-2011 11:40 PM
      XTC was deliverd to the new owner - he is driving from El Paso to Denver tonight!

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #461, 07-30-2011 01:23 AM
      Nice color...good job.

katatak MSG #462, 07-30-2011 02:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Nice color...good job.


Thanks!


katatak MSG #463, 07-30-2011 02:14 PM
      Just talked to the new owner - he made it all the way home early this morning. He reports that the car ran great - used no oil and he averaged 24mpg! Very happy he made it with no issues. I have sent him links to PFF and the Colorado Fiero Club. We should be hearing from him shortly.

Pat



Rick 88 MSG #464, 07-30-2011 03:55 PM
      Bye Bye XTC.........

Marine1981 MSG #465, 10-14-2011 11:41 PM
      Looks to be for sale again.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item27bf282c7b


katatak MSG #466, 10-14-2011 11:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Marine1981:

Looks to be for sale again.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item27bf282c7b


Yep - Wonder what the reserve is??????? I've missed this car since it left!


Marine1981 MSG #467, 10-14-2011 11:47 PM
      Will he take his money back on it???