#\ *doublec4* /# Official Build Thread
Topic started by: doublec4, Date: 02-26-2009 06:22 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000100.html


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #1, 02-26-2009 06:22 PM
      It's come that time where I feel like I've sunk enough money into my car that it deserves a build thread. I have a lot of pictures to post from the time I bought it to it's current state so I will update it day by day. I still have tons of plans for the car but I figure if I don't start a build thread now, I'll never get around to it.

My next post will start the build!!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #2, 02-26-2009 06:42 PM
      So this is it! My build thread of my 1986 Fiero SE that started off bone stock, 2.8 V6 and 3 speed auto

From the beginning... I bought the car with the help of my parents when I was about 16. My dad suggested the car, and I went to go look at it and knew I had to have it. It drove like a go-kart, was sporty looking, and nothing like the honda civics every other kid wanted. Definitely something different. At the time I wasn't aware of the GT fastback model, and once I found this forum I sort of regretted making an impulse purchase. However, at least I had the V6 I thought... and at this point, I've grown fond of the notchback

Anyways, enough of the talk, I'll give you a little walk around of my car when I picked her up!





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Bone stock, equipped with cheesy stickers and extra carpet, but luckily no rust anywhere!

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #3, 02-26-2009 06:46 PM
      bump

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #4, 02-26-2009 08:47 PM
      Might as well post up the first few modifications I ever did within the first few months...

These were some of the basic things that I thought needed replacing. These are also the first few things that got me hooked on modifying my car. I realized how great it could look if I kept replacing old things, and adding my own touch to the car...

First up was a new steering wheel, I had to replace the old one with broken horn paddels... I also removed the stickers from the interior, and the old seat covers... and extra carpet...





Made my own fiero horn button!



Next up was the stereo... of course being only 16 I needed a CD player, I didnt really own any cassettes....



Of course I needed new wheels as well. I went with 16 inch Motegi mr7 wheels in gunmetal. I thought the gunmetal would match the black trim well.. I think I was right

Only problem now was that the car rode like a 4x4

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R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #5, 02-27-2009 06:53 AM
      The CarDomain site is good, but I am looking forward to this too.



BTW... Like my sig?



Foxy Fiero13 MSG #6, 02-27-2009 09:48 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by R Runner:

The CarDomain site is good, but I am looking forward to this too.



BTW... Like my sig?


just to jump in and say i love your sig and someday i wanna come down to ill and look at ur car it looks amazing



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #7, 02-27-2009 12:14 PM
      Sig looks great Paul.. thats quite the transformation your garage went through



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #8, 02-27-2009 01:55 PM
      Next up was a few more things that needed replacing or modifying...

Like most notchbacks, my sail panels were broken, so of course I replaced them. I went with glass sail panels from the 84 notchback so they would be nice and strong. I repainted the frame in a semi gloss black:



I also wasn't very happy with the tail lights. I buffed the lenses, and then sanded the black grid pattern from the red reflectors. This made my tail lights brighter and look newer. I also painted the white reverse light section black.





Then I took the car out for some new pictures:





ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #9, 02-27-2009 02:28 PM
      I love your car. please make sure to put lots of info/pics on those wicked seats of yours

R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #10, 02-28-2009 05:54 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by doublec4:

Sig looks great Paul.. thats quite the transformation your garage went through


(singing the Beatles tune...) I get by with a little help from my friends.. Thank you for the artwork.

AND how did this get on page 2 already?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #11, 02-28-2009 12:32 PM
      Thanks for the bump Paul,

I don't really expect this to be the most popular build thread out there.. theres been lots done to the car, but not an extreme number of "one off" items that some others have on this forum. I figure this is a good place to document the things I've done to the car, and in the event someone has questions or comments, they are of course more than welcome



Kyle1016 (i_like_fieros@yahoo.com) MSG #12, 02-28-2009 12:50 PM
      Nice build man, about time! I did the same thing you did. Bought my 85 GT when i was 16, i didn't know about
fastbacks :/. Luckily i found a fastback parts car, and did the conversion. I love your color scheme, almost
exactly like mine. Mines red with black rims and black interior. Also getting a 3800sc swapped in lol.

Looks good, keep it up


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #13, 02-28-2009 02:00 PM
      Thanks

I regretted not knowing about the fast backs at first... but now I'm partial to my notchback and wouldn't have it any other way. I've wanted to make my car look like the IMSA race cars

As for the 3800SC swap, I have one of those as well... but that comes later on in the build...



Dougie Murder MSG #14, 02-28-2009 03:47 PM
      Damn Chris, your car has been awesome right from the start! Looking forward to seeing all the pics and explainations of the stuff youve done!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #15, 02-28-2009 07:18 PM
      Thanks!

I might as well take this opportunity for another update

So after spending the summer driving my car around, I decided to store it in the winter. I had some spare time on my hands after school and a few bucks to spare. I figured the best way to spend it would be to change the colour of the interior. The stock grey was alright, however, I remember seeing FLASHY's interior (I think it was him) after he painted it black and silver. I thought it looked really sharp, and more "high end." My steering wheel was already black and silver so I figured it would all be a good match, and a nice theme to carry throughout the interior. The black interior would play off the black exterior trim.

So a little hesitent to rip apart my new car (everyone knows it generally NEVER goes back together exactly the same) I dove into it head first and made sure I kept everything organized and labelled.

Here are some pictures of the disassembley process:





I thoroughly cleaned everything with hand soap, and then wiped everything down several times with rubbing alcohol. I didn't want the paint to fish eye due to years of peoples skin oils rubbing on the interior pieces. Everything worked out well! These are the pieces in my basement and my garage floor:







And here they are back in the car:











If you look carefully in some of the pictures, you can see that I cut down the auto shifter, and replaced it with a manual knob. This gave it the appearance of a manual. I also put some nicer pedals on that are brushed aluminum.

I also attemped a home made air fuel ratio gauge that would utilize the blank area in the gauge cluster:



It worked for a while but I think I overheated the circuit board I made and it fried. Oh well...

Lastly, unfortunately I have very few pictures of my original seats. They were in incredible condition. For years the previous owner had them under several layers of seat covers, and when I took them off, the "carpet" type material still had the original shine! They looked brand new!



Thats it for today!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #16, 03-02-2009 09:11 PM
      After cleaning up the interior and updating it's look, I pulled the car out of the garage for the spring... only to find within the first week that the car had developed several fluid leaks. It seemed as though the engine would need a few new gaskets. The car was also running without a catalytic converter, the brake pedal was a bit mushy, and it was riding on some pretty old shocks.

I made the decision to take it in for some work at a shop that specialized in fieros. At the time I really wasn't aware that I was paying a little too much for what was being done... If I had of known the things I know now, I could have had a fantastic swap done. However, I learned my lesson, and the 2.8 was overhauled, rear calipers were replaced, new shocks and struts, and a few other small items. The engine bay was painted as well, and at the end of it, the 2.8 was a shiny gem, and I could proudly open the decklid to show off the detailed bay.

Here are some pictures of the engine being removed and disassembled:















Next update will be the detailing of the engine, the engine bay, etc


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #17, 03-02-2009 10:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

I love your car. please make sure to put lots of info/pics on those wicked seats of yours


Thats a little later on as well but I'll post as much info as I can


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #18, 03-02-2009 11:42 PM
      What paint did you use for the dash etc.? Looks very very nice.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #19, 03-03-2009 05:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by mattwa:

What paint did you use for the dash etc.? Looks very very nice.


For the dash and the interior pieces I used a vinyl spray paint. It was made by the brand "U-fix-it" and it was "Jet Black" which was a flat black. I did not go with a gloss because it would make the vinyl pieces look like plastic and look very cheap.

For the silver, I just used an aluminum coloured spray paint for plastics. Seems to be holding in there pretty well!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #20, 03-03-2009 06:00 PM
      After the engine was taken out and disassembled, it was time to start detailing things before everything was put back together with new gaskets.

I chose red, black, and silver on the engine to match the rest of the theme of the car. Here are some progress pictures:

(By the way, I apologize for the initial pictures of this thread being very "grainy." My old digital camera was crap.)
















Enjoy!

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mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #21, 03-03-2009 06:06 PM
      I'm going to fix up my cradle soon, when the weather gets better. I'm using poly bushings, and going to sandblast and powder coat it. Did you POR-15 yours or what?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #22, 03-03-2009 09:32 PM
      This was a shop that was doing my engine. I don't think they used POR-15 but if I recall they were using some kind of rust preventative paint.

From what I hear about POR-15, I would go with that if I were to do it again.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #23, 03-03-2009 11:00 PM
      Forgot to add pictures of the engine bay!











doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 03-04-2009 10:20 PM
      The next segment of this build is the engine going back in the car of course.

Here are a few pictures of the engine back in the engine bay. Everything was coming together, and almost ready to drive:







Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #25, 03-04-2009 11:20 PM
      Just wait... this next part gets good eh chris..... lol.... Nice thread so far man.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #26, 03-05-2009 03:47 PM
      The next part when it starts leaking again? ahhaha, or the next engine?

I'll update this again tonight


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 03-05-2009 05:56 PM
      Ah, might as well update it now!

The engine was eventually finished, and I happily took my car back from the shop. I was excited to take it to car shows and pop the decklid now!







It looked clean and ran pretty smooth. However, for some odd reason it felt a little slower than before.. not sure why. If you notice as well, the upper intake plenum was replaced with an engraved unit.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #28, 03-06-2009 02:52 PM
      After the engine was completed, the engine bay was painted a nice gloss black, and the old heat insulation was removed, I wanted the entire rear of the car to look new. I decided it would be a good time to remove the decklid and paint it to match.

Here are some pictures of the underside of the decklid being painted:







Next thing I will do is post some of the other things that were replaced while my engine was being completed.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #29, 03-06-2009 10:51 PM
      The other things that were upgraded or replaced during the engine work were the ball joints, KYB shocks and struts on all 4 corners, new rear brakes, new ebrake cables... take a look









Next up is when I lowered it...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #30, 03-07-2009 03:06 PM
      As I mentioned in the last post, I drove the car around for a while with the newly refinished engine, interior, new brake components etc, and I knew I wasn't done there. At this point I was officially addicted to finding more I could do to improve the performance and looks of the car.

The car was a sports car, it was sleek, but it had the wheel gap of a 4x4. I purchased some eibach lowering springs off of a member of this forum and had them installed. It vastly improved the look of the car, and made the suspension a little stiffer which I enjoyed.

Take a look for yourself













And if anyone has any comments or questions etc, don't be shy! Seems like this thread has lots of views but not too many posts!


Fiero2m8 MSG #31, 03-07-2009 04:04 PM
      I've been watching Chris, nice to see your long overdue thread unfold.
I'm sure I'll see lots of mods you don't notice at first glance today.
My question is how many years have you been working on your car?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #32, 03-07-2009 08:04 PM
      It's been 6 years so far... but really its mostly been 6 summers. I'm usually gone over the winters (save for 1 I think), whether its been school or hockey, so I try to get everything accomplished in the spring. Then I can drive it for the rest of the summer and store it again in the winter. If I didn't have this car and I saved the money I spent on it, I could probably be riding around in a used C5 corvette at 22 years old... not bad, but I think its more rare to see a fiero around here anyways The corvette will be the next car

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #33, 03-08-2009 01:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

If I didn't have this car and I saved the money I spent on it, I could probably be riding around in a used C5 corvette at 22 years old...


The corvette will be the next car


Pshhh!
What for?
That's what I said 5 Fieros ago. For the one I'm building now I could have easily bought a new Solstice GXP, infact I almost did. I even went and test drove one and when I got back to the dealer there was a circle of teenagers around my 87 GT wanting to know what it was and if it was some sort of prototype seeing the Pontiac badges. I took that as a compliment considering the car's age, then educated the poor saps on the Fiero, and wound up selling that car to one of those guys a couple of months later ( Ha, he's bitten now ) to help fund my 6th Fiero and current project. It was that day I decided, if I was going to spend that much money, it would be on a car I truly enjoy. (the fact that the Solsice was completely uncomforatable with no where to put your left arm didn't help) Fieros may be 20 years old but they are cheap and easy to modify,ahem, like a blank canvas with lots of potential. And at least they have a frickin place for your left arm.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #34, 03-08-2009 01:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


Pshhh!
What for?
That's what I said 5 Fieros ago. For the one I'm building now I could have easily bought a new Solstice GXP, infact I almost did. I even went and test drove one and when I got back to the dealer there was a circle of teenagers around my 87 GT wanting to know what it was and if it was some sort of prototype seeing the Pontiac badges. I took that as a compliment considering the car's age, then educated the poor saps on the Fiero, and wound up selling that car to one of those guys a couple of months later ( Ha, he's bitten now ) to help fund my 6th Fiero and current project. It was that day I decided, if I was going to spend that much money, it would be on a car I truly enjoy. (the fact that the Solsice was completely uncomforatable with no where to put your left arm didn't help) Fieros may be 20 years old but they are cheap and easy to modify,ahem, like a blank canvas with lots of potential. And at least they have a frickin place for your left arm.



I agree with you, the fiero has brought me a lot of joy over the years and has been a great car to learn new skills on as well as apply new ideas. It has a lot of potential and it's really versatile. There are so many things you can do to it to really make it your own. However, being a realist, the corvette is one hell of a car to start off with. I've driven my dad's C5 and it never ceases to put a smile on my face either. 350hp right out of the box is nothing to complain about. The magnetic ride control is a nice option, and the 6 speed transmission feels bulletproof.

I never want to part with my fiero and I love the fact that you barely see any on the road anymore. I still get poeple looking at the car and telling me how its great to see one in such good shape. I take a lot of pride in it, and I'll always be looking for ways to improve it.

As for the solstice, I've sat in a few and I found it to be rather cramped inside as well. Thats why I would like to add a corvette to the collection one day as well. Its not very cramped inside. Ideally I will buy a C5 ZO6 and go for the Le Mans look, as its been one of my favourite race cars. I would be looking to pump out 600hp apprx. and style the body after the Le Mans car.

Anyways, that will have to wait until I'm out of school

Right now the fiero is my focus and I have another update to make to this page soon...


Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #35, 03-08-2009 01:42 PM
      You have a really clean build going. I've always thought yours was one of the better looking notchbacks around. I never realized how much similarity there was with mine though. I also picked up my red auto 86 SE when I was 16 (23 now). Also had engine issues and found out later I should've swapped then instead of going with the 2.8 again. Etc. But yeah, keep it up.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #36, 03-08-2009 02:03 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed:

You have a really clean build going. I've always thought yours was one of the better looking notchbacks around. I never realized how much similarity there was with mine though. I also picked up my red auto 86 SE when I was 16 (23 now). Also had engine issues and found out later I should've swapped then instead of going with the 2.8 again. Etc. But yeah, keep it up.



Thanks for the compliments

I guess we all live and learn with the mistakes we make. I could have had a hell of a swap for the money I paid for my 2.8 to look that way. However, I now know whats out there and what can be done for that kind of money. I actually have a 3800SC with a 4spd manual in my car now, but I'll get to that later...

To keep things in chronological order, the next thing I did was try and clean up the engine bay a little moe. I bought a CRX intake





and then bought a new cap/rotor/wires/ and painted the EGR cover.. this really united the look of the engine bay:



No more colours that don't belong and everything looked great



IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #37, 03-08-2009 02:30 PM
      I just received a shipment of interior vinyl paint and was really wondering what black would look like. It looks great in your car and now I am looking forward to doing mine. The only difference is that I have to add a few more colors to match the outside theme Your car looks really nice.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #38, 03-08-2009 03:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:

I just received a shipment of interior vinyl paint and was really wondering what black would look like. It looks great in your car and now I am looking forward to doing mine. The only difference is that I have to add a few more colors to match the outside theme Your car looks really nice.


Thanks!

The black and silver does look really sharp in my opinion, its sporty, classy, and not overstated. I think its similar to the treatment porsche gives a lot of their interiors (in terms of colours).

I hope you got a flat black though. The gloss stuff makes everything look like plastic. Good luck with your interior and post some pictures, I'm following your other thread!


Eau_Rouge MSG #39, 03-08-2009 09:48 PM
      Nice job with your interior. Black is a definite improvement in my opinion. I did the same to my car about 7 years ago, now I've taken it a step further and am going with black leather and suede wrapped panels. It's a lot of work but it sure looks good.

Nice car...I'm partial to the notchies myself.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #40, 03-09-2009 12:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:

Nice job with your interior. Black is a definite improvement in my opinion. I did the same to my car about 7 years ago, now I've taken it a step further and am going with black leather and suede wrapped panels. It's a lot of work but it sure looks good.

Nice car...I'm partial to the notchies myself.


Awesome, where are you located in Ontario? I'd love to see how the leather and seude turns out, that will be luxuious


Eau_Rouge MSG #41, 03-09-2009 09:52 PM
      I also live in Oakville. The plan is to finish the car up by May so that I can go to Mapleview, this year not just as a spectator. I do still have a long list of things to do...redo headliner, door panels; sound insulation - done; black carpet - almost done. Alarm wiring - pain in the ass - not done; stereo - almost done; leather seats - done; shifter and e-brake boot - done; firewall cover - done; etc; etc; etc.
Anyway, too much stuff to list but I'm working on it and the plan is to have it ready by May. I want the car to look OEM to someone who doesn't know Fieros.
It's been three years since I've driven my car so I'm pretty keen on getting it back on the road. I gotta say seeing it all come together is very gratifying and motivating and yes it does look very nice. I just have to do a better job juggling a job, getting my accounting designation and my car, oh and can't forget about the girl.

Anyway, looking forward to meeting everyone this year.

Cheers


Awesome, where are you located in Ontario? I'd love to see how the leather and seude turns out, that will be luxuious [/QUOTE]



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #42, 03-09-2009 10:10 PM
      Good to hear!

Its always nice having other fiero enthusiasts nearby. I'll have to check out your car for sure. I'm located near Bronte in Oakville, almost close to Burlington.

See you around!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #43, 03-10-2009 02:41 PM
      Continuing with the build....

Although the shop touched up my rear brakes with new calipers and rotors, as well as some paint, the front brakes were the same old. A friend here on the forum, Sabre49, and I decided that we should clean up our brakes and paint them. The following pictures are the progress of detailing our brakes. It's hard to tell who's car is who's but we did the exact same thing:



Cleaning the calipers up:



Apply paint and let dry:



Finished Product:





Some beauty shots afterwards:





Little did I know I was onto bigger and better things...


Mister MSG #44, 03-10-2009 04:45 PM
      Cool man, keep it up

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #45, 03-10-2009 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Sabre49 and I decided that we should clean up our brakes and paint them.


Red brakes Rock!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #46, 03-10-2009 07:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Red brakes Rock!


haha, I also think so. I heard they make you stop faster?

actually, I love red brakes so much that I did them all over again in red, just with bigger brakes... more to come


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #47, 03-11-2009 08:27 PM
      Keeping on the subject of brakes and suspension, I forgot to mention that I also picked up a rear sway bar... basically a front bar that I would adapt to use on the rear. Unfortunately I don't have any progress pictures of the installation but I do have one picture to prove that I at least have the sway bar:



As for the brakes, shortly after making the stock brakes look nice and pretty, I decided that it was time to upgrade. I looked into a few of the swaps and I found that the lebaron swap (11.25 inch) would probably give me the best performance for the amount of money I could spend. I did my research on the forum and found the CAD drawings for the brackets. Luckily, I knew someone that could make the brackets for me, and he did them for free! That saved me a bunch of money. Then I took my front rotors/hubs into the machine shop and had the rotors cut off. I also had the proper spacers made for the brackets. I bought some rotors off of another forum member that didn't plan on using them anymore. Overall I did the brake swap on a budget. The only parts that I payed full price for were the calipers which I bought from an autoparts store, and a larger master cylinder which I ordered from GM.

I also cleaned up the calipers and painted them red for even better performance of course!

Here are some pictures of the parts, and a few pictures of them installed:













Unfortunately the camera quality at this point was still terrible. The calipers look orange in some pictures. Also, if you notice, I skipped ahead a bit to the point where I repainted the calipers and applied decals to them. I'm sure at this point you also noticed that they are not brembo brakes haha. I know its kind of poseur-ish but I thought the white on red looked pretty good and just gave it a little extra something. So the hell with it, I put the stickers on. I have better pictures that I will eventually add. Hopefully you guys get the main idea of what I did

Thats it for today.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #48, 03-13-2009 07:48 AM
      Shortly after the brake upgrade, I came across another forum member who was clearing out his fiero parts and parting out his car. If I remember correctly, his user name was 3.8T and he had a blue GT with a wicked 3800 turbo set up. Anyways, I picked a few parts up off of him including a new gauge pod with autometer gauges. There is water temp, oil press. and a volt meter. The gauge pod replaces the rally gauges and looks stock. These are sport comp gauges and 2 and 5/8ths in size I believe. I was really happy with the way it looked when I installed it, as well as to have accurate instruments in my car:





In the last picture you can see that not all of the gauges were hooked up at that point. I did not have them fully functional until the engine swap later on...


AkursedX (akursedx@aol.com) MSG #49, 03-13-2009 08:03 PM
      I realized that I have not commented on this thread yet. I have seen your car more than a few times throughout it's progression and I must say that you have done a great job documenting things. It's awesome to see it all in one thread. I wish I would have kept track of my build like this.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #50, 03-13-2009 08:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AkursedX:

I realized that I have not commented on this thread yet. I have seen your car more than a few times throughout it's progression and I must say that you have done a great job documenting things. It's awesome to see it all in one thread. I wish I would have kept track of my build like this.


Thanks Joe,

I have tons of pictures sitting around on my computer and on my cardomain page. Unfortunately they're not all in chronological order so I'm sorting them out by memory as I go along. There are some things that I wish I took more pictures of, such as "in progress" stuff but I suppose I didn't see myself posting a build thread. I'll have to better document installing those parts I bought from you I can't wait to get everything on the car!


Tony Kania MSG #51, 03-13-2009 08:43 PM
      I gotta say, that I like the triple guage pod. I had bought a triple set a few months ago, and have been to lazy to install them. Now I have to get up off of my a$$ and do it.

Keep up the pics, and the informative read.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #52, 03-13-2009 08:47 PM
      At the same time I picked up those nice autometer gauges, I also bought a chin spoiler off of 3.8T. I always liked the looks of the IMSA race cars and I figured this would be one step closer to the general look. I also always didn't like how the aero nose slants upwards to a point at the front of the car. The chin spoiler gives a lower look to the front end, while lining up the bottom of the rocker panels with the bottom of the front bumper. I couldn't wait to install it and take some pictures. At this point I also installed one of those fierostore "fiero" side scoops. It's not a big deal so I didn't really take any pictures.















doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #53, 03-13-2009 08:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I gotta say, that I like the triple guage pod. I had bought a triple set a few months ago, and have been to lazy to install them. Now I have to get up off of my a$$ and do it.

Keep up the pics, and the informative read.



Thanks! I really like it as well, I find that the gauges are easier to read than the originals, and that the circles are much nicer than the old rectangles. The tie in nicely with the tack and speedo


Fiero2m8 MSG #54, 03-14-2009 03:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:
I had bought a triple set a few months ago, and have been to lazy to install them. Now I have to get up off of my a$$ and do it.


Don't feel bad Tony cause I bought Chris's old stock pod last year and still haven't got around to doing anything with it


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #55, 03-14-2009 01:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero2m8:


Don't feel bad Tony cause I bought Chris's old stock pod last year and still haven't got around to doing anything with it


Which car do you plan on putting it in? It's hard to keep track, you already have a fleet of fieros


Fiero2m8 MSG #56, 03-14-2009 01:53 PM
      The 86 roadster is supposed to get it.
Thanks to this thread, now I know why it's black...



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #57, 03-14-2009 02:38 PM
      Is it a problem? I thought I mentioned that it was black before I sold it to you...

Fiero2m8 MSG #58, 03-14-2009 02:42 PM
      No it's good Chris, I just haven't got around to that mod yet with so many Fiero projects on the go.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #59, 03-14-2009 03:33 PM
      Ah okay, just wanted to make sure you didn't feel misled or anything.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #60, 03-14-2009 05:56 PM
      On with the shoW!

HC MSG #61, 03-15-2009 04:55 AM
      Great looking car! Gotta love the notchies!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #62, 03-15-2009 02:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HC:

Great looking car! Gotta love the notchies!



Thanks!

I believe it was at this point that I started searching for new seats. My stock seats were in great condition but I wanted something that held me in a little better through the turns, and looked sportier. I also wanted black seats to match my interior. First I tried these seats here:



However, these seats required some welding of the seat rails to make them work. Overall, it wouldn't be too bad for an installation but I ended up changing my mind. I decided that if I was going to be sitting in these seats all the time, then I should just buy what I really wanted. Might as well spend the money and do it the way I REALLY wanted the first time.

So the next thing I did was take a trip over to the performance shop with a tape measurer. I had my stock seats uninstalled so I measured the WIDTH of the mounting holes in the bottom of a stock seat. This measurement is the most important if you want an easy installation of aftermarket seats. I wish I had taken pictures but hopefully I can describe this well enough for everyone to understand. I then went looking for aftermarket seats with the same mounting point WIDTH. I found that the Sparco Sprint seats (non reclinable) racing seats were the perfect width. They were a different LENGTH in the mounting holes at the bottom of the seats though. That was okay though.

What this meant was that I would not need to weld for these new seats to fit. All I had to do was drill ONE new hole in each seat rail so that the new seat could bolt to one of the existing holes, and then one of the new holes that were drilled. By maintaining the stock width, the seat rails would line up perfectly with the stock mounting bolts in the floor pans.

Here are some pictures of the seats I picked up. If you notice, the stiching pattern on them are slightly different. They only had one of the new style, and one of the old style in stock at different times. I picked up the old style first, used it to plan the installation, and had it as my driver seat for about a week while I waited for the newer style seat to come in. Then I switched them over so that the driver seat was the newer style. I would recommend these seats to anyone who is looking for a very aggresively bolstered seat that is light weight. They are not reclinable but really, in the fiero there is not much room for that anyways. They hold you in a proper driving position and are suprisingly comfortable for longer drives. One small stipulation is that you must have a fairly slim waist. I am a fairly muscular guy and I just fit in snug.

Pictures!





Old style seat installed in the driver position:



New style seat:






ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #63, 03-15-2009 03:01 PM
      ^^^ Did you use the stock Fiero rails with new holes drilled or Sparco rails with new holes drilled?
Seats look great!
BTW Not to get too personal, would someone with a 36-38" waist fit in these comfortably in your opinion?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #64, 03-15-2009 03:16 PM
      I did use the stock rails as I described. If the mounting points on the bottom of the seat are the same width, you can just drill new holes in the stock rails for the different length of the mounting holes on the bottom of the seats. I did not have to buy sparco mounting brackets. This way, the seats still sit very low to the floor, and I don't think the padding is thicker or anything. I don't feel closer to the roof at all.

To actually fit in these seats, its a tight squeeze. 36-38 waist might be pushing it. I'm probably about a 35 and its snug. I have broad shoulders and a thin waist but the shoulder area is fine as the seats flare out at the top. Your best bet is to find someone who has a line of Sparco seats in stock and then sit in them and try them out.

These are the most inexpensive Sparco seats you can buy, but they fit my needs nicely. They're very light, and narrow enough to fit in the fiero. They were about 320CDN each. You can probably get them for 215US each. If you go to a more expensive sparco seat, they will most likely fit a wider waist, however, I don't know if they will work with the stock rails. You might have to invest a little more money in custom rails.

Hope that helps!


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #65, 03-16-2009 02:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Hope that helps!


Yeah, thanks. There is a NOPI shop in town, I'll check out the Sparcos there.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #66, 03-16-2009 01:16 PM
      no problem, let me know what you find

Edit: Here is a diagram of what I'm trying to describe:

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HC MSG #67, 03-16-2009 04:11 PM
      I had to do the exact same thing on mine.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #68, 03-16-2009 04:43 PM
      What kind of seats did you go with?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #69, 03-17-2009 01:42 PM
      Moving on with the build, there are just a few miscellaneous things that I added to the car around the same time. I don't have many pictures but a couple will suffice.

I do wish I had taken more pictures of the battery box I built though...

Anyways, first thing I did was add a fuel pressue gauge to the fuel rail in case I had to diagnose a fuel problem at some point:



I also needed some new tires, so I went with some beefy tires... I hate the rubber band look:



And lastly, I wanted to do a battery relocation for better weight distribution. I wish I had taken more pictures of the box I built, but I made one from galvanized sheet metal. I basically folded a box up and bolted it in. Works like a charm. I got some long cable from a junk yard and the proper battery connections, crimped the wires and away I went. Hot starts would be a little rough at times, I think I didn't go with a thick enough battery cable for that length.





Those aren't really the best pictures of it, but again, it will have to do for now. I mounted the box as low as I possibly could without interfering with the brake lines that run behind it.


Eau_Rouge MSG #70, 03-18-2009 11:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

no problem, let me know what you find

Edit: Here is a diagram of what I'm trying to describe:






I also bought a pair of black Sparco fighter seats from JRP for my car. Adaptation to the stock slider was exactly the same as you describe. With my seats, I had a major problem though. When bolting the slider and seat to the floor, I found out that due to my seat's design, the seat belt receiver was interfering (hitting the side of the seat) due to the fact that the fighter seats don't taper in very much as you move down toward the slider. As a result, I couldn't bolt the seats down to the floor. In order for my seats to work, I'm going to have to notch the part of the seat that interferes and taper it in. Another issue that I found was that the fighter seats bolted to the stock sliders made me sit to far forward for my liking - not enough recline for my liking...I guess the moral of the story is make sure the seats are going to fit before you spend over a grand on them!




HC MSG #71, 03-19-2009 02:57 AM
      I think they are called scorpion or something, its just a generic racing seat, I want to get Corbeau Forzas

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #72, 03-19-2009 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:
I also bought a pair of black Sparco fighter seats from JRP for my car. Adaptation to the stock slider was exactly the same as you describe. With my seats, I had a major problem though. When bolting the slider and seat to the floor, I found out that due to my seat's design, the seat belt receiver was interfering (hitting the side of the seat) due to the fact that the fighter seats don't taper in very much as you move down toward the slider. As a result, I couldn't bolt the seats down to the floor. In order for my seats to work, I'm going to have to notch the part of the seat that interferes and taper it in. Another issue that I found was that the fighter seats bolted to the stock sliders made me sit to far forward for my liking - not enough recline for my liking...I guess the moral of the story is make sure the seats are going to fit before you spend over a grand on them!



I also noticed with mine, that I lost a bit of range with the slider mechanism as well. When I installed the new bolts to hold the seat in, they interfere with the track of the slider. I do not have full range anymore, but I probably only lost an inch or two I think. I still comfortably reach the pedals and am not cramped. I'm 6 feet tall. A taller guy might run into some problems.
As for the seat belt, my seats are pretty narrow so the seat belt still fits up beside the seat and only needs to be wiggled a little bit when sliding the seat back and forth.

 
quote
Originally posted by HC:
I think they are called scorpion or something, its just a generic racing seat, I want to get Corbeau Forzas


I originally planned to go with Corbeau's as well, but no local speed shops had them. I've seen the Clubman's fit in fieros, but the Forza's do look really nice as well. Hope they fit for you!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #73, 03-22-2009 03:50 PM
      To comemorate the last time my car would have the stock spoiler I did a photoshop before I would switch over to the new IMSA look. I had always wanted the IMSA look and a wrap around spoiler but they were hard to find and usually expensive. Luckily, Joe at racetech had one locally. It was a little rough around the edges, but the price was right and I had the cash. I picked it up and it sat in my garage for a while until I could find a decklid with no decklid holes. Again, I found one locally and for cheap.

If you have noticed in the pictures I already posted, when I bought my car it had the stock spoiler installed on top of a luggage rack. I always despised this part of my car. It was finally time to dust off the wrap around spoiler that was hung up in my garage.

Out with the old look:



Took the luggage rack off, and the spoiler. I didn't like the wingless look at all on my car:



Off to the body shop where I would have the spoiler touched up and painted and installed....

Fresh paint!!











I loved it!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 03-29-2009 09:31 PM
      I haven't updated this in a while. Next thing I did was look for a way to balance the rear end of the car a little more. The new spoiler stands up pretty high and I wanted to bring the rear of the bumper down a little. I thought a rear diffuser would look pretty good. Instead of investing time and money into a real one, I figured I could install what would be a temporary "look a like" to see if the look suited the car. I found some cheap shark fin antennas and decided they would give the overall look temporarily. If I didn't like them they could be easily removed, and I would only be out 20 bucks.

They're still on the car now and I've grown to like them, but this summer I'm going to attempt the real deal, and out with the shark fin body accents:







Enjoy


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #75, 03-31-2009 02:35 PM
      Moving on with the build... I had considered new rims but I had recently bought new tires and didn't want to sell them and lose a bunch of money. I figured the rims I had on could last me a while longer and could use some sprucing up. I had seen guys paint their rims, but I decided that I just wanted a small red lip. I bought some red pinstriping from a local parts store and got creative I also repainted my calipers so that everything would look crisp and new again:





Then I figured I would give the car a good wash, take a few pictures of how it looked all together:







And then I was off to the annual Southern Ontario Fiero Association car show in London Ontario:




I believe I placed that year and possibly took home some hardware. My memory is a little fuzzy... but the show is always a good time.

Then it was time to head home:



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mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #76, 03-31-2009 03:54 PM
      I love your car so much, it is one of my favorites on the forum, so simple, yet so sporty. Did you get rid of the those black seats you decided not to use? I would also like some more information on how you did the red lip stripes on your wheels.
Nick


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #77, 04-01-2009 01:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrjohnishome:

I love your car so much, it is one of my favorites on the forum, so simple, yet so sporty. Did you get rid of the those black seats you decided not to use? I would also like some more information on how you did the red lip stripes on your wheels.
Nick


Thank you for the compliments! I did in fact sell the old black seats that I didn't use. As for the red lip on my rims, it is just automotive pinstriping. Just go to your local autoparts store and they should have vinyl adhesive pinstriping. Then just apply it to the lip of your rim. Takes a bit of time to get it smooth, just be patient. Thats all!


hagans19 (hagans19h@aol.com) MSG #78, 04-01-2009 08:15 PM
      i may have missed it but how did you make the rear defussior thing i like it alot !!!

HC MSG #79, 04-02-2009 02:21 AM
      Again; great looking car, the new tail looks awesome, what is that called exactly, and where can I get one?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #80, 04-02-2009 01:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hagans19:

i may have missed it but how did you make the rear defussior thing i like it alot !!!


Thanks It is just 4 shark fun antenna's that you can buy at autoparts stores. I fastened them to the bottom of the aero bumper for the diffuser "look" to see if I liked it. I will be making a REAL diffuser this summer.


 
quote
Originally posted by HC:
Again; great looking car, the new tail looks awesome, what is that called exactly, and where can I get one?


I got the spoiler from a local place but it is called an IMSA wrap around spoiler. You can find them at www.fierowarehouse.com Hope that helps!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #81, 04-07-2009 09:52 PM
      I have a little time for another update!

At this point I had figured I would have some fun with some neon lights. Some people think its ricey and corny but all of the lights are hidden so its not like it takes away from the appearance of the car when I flip the switch to have them off. The lights attracted a lot of attention and were alright in my opinion. The underglow did meet its demise though and were smashed.

So the underglow is no more and I removed the tubes. However, here are some pictures while they were in one piece. I even did the engine compartment:









And the interior was accented with a few hidden neons as well... theres two behind each seat that you cant see that light up the rest of the interior. These are still in the car, however, Im considering removing them as well...



Let the ricer calling begin haha

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 04-25-2009 11:57 PM
      Lately I've been neglecting this thread in favour of my exams. However, I'm now finished and ready to get back into this.

At this point after the neons lights, I decided it was time to throw some money into real performance. I was displeased with the get up and go of my 2.8, especially behind the 3 speed auto. I love manual transmission cars and I felt like with my fiero being sports car, it needed a new transmission. At first I considered just doing a manual swap, where I would have gone with the 4 speed manual. I drove a 3800SC down the track once before and I remembered how that felt, so I came to the conclusion that if I was going to spend the money, I was going to do it right the first time.

I heard on the forum that mating the fiero 4spd to the 3800SC was a pretty wicked combination. To me, this would be the best of both worlds.

Being a student, I had to come up with quite a bit of money for this swap. I started my own little business and am proud to say that I made enough money for the whole swap within about a month. I was pressed for time because I wanted to get the car to FIEROFLYER before I would not be able to drive the car for a few weeks anyways. I was motivated and determined, and I met my deadline.

Here is the last picture of my interior as an automatic:



The first part of the swap I'll go through is the collection of all the parts I needed. First and most important, is the engine itself. I found a Buick engine from a fiero friend which had a pretty reasonable 98,000kms on it. Not too bad. I picked it up for a good price too.

Check out some pictures:







Check back for more tomorrow!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #83, 04-27-2009 12:12 AM
      A few more things to tick off the checklist were the fuel pump (Walbro 255lph high pressure), some new exhaust tips (burned tips, slash cut), and a magnaflow muffler.







I also needed a few other things such as a clutch (I bought a spec 3), a flywheel from a Camaro V6, a fiero 4spd transmission, and a bunch of other miscellaneous items. FIEROFLYER was a big help and I bought some things off of him, and he replaced some things on the engine for the swap along the way.

I'll get to more of the engine swap in the next post, and show off some of his work!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #84, 04-27-2009 10:27 PM
      After collecting all of the pieces I could find, I took everything to FIEROFLYER for the installation. After getting his hands on the engine, in no time it was cleaned up and a nice fresh coat of paint was applied to match my car.

I think it took shape nicely:

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More to come soon!


Eau_Rouge MSG #85, 04-27-2009 11:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

After collecting all of the pieces I could find, I took everything to FIEROFLYER for the installation. After getting his hands on the engine, in no time it was cleaned up and a nice fresh coat of paint was applied to match my car.

I think it took shape nicely:

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More to come soon!


How's that 4 speed holding up to the torque of that motor? Why the 4 speed and not the 5 speed getrag? Is the 4 speed more durable?

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #86, 04-28-2009 12:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:


How's that 4 speed holding up to the torque of that motor? Why the 4 speed and not the 5 speed getrag? Is the 4 speed more durable?



I've only driven it for a few months last summer but nothing is broken yet. *fingers crossed* I've dumped the clutch a few times and its held up.. I've heard that its stronger than the 5spd...


Emc209i (emc209i@yahoo.com) MSG #87, 04-28-2009 04:55 AM
      Only because the 282 getrag has a weak differential housing. The isuzu 5 speed has a weak 2nd gear. Mine's still holding up after several months of abuse.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #88, 04-28-2009 11:18 AM
      I also chose the 4speed for the gearing... I wanted something quick from stop sign to stop sign. I really don't do high speed runs or anything like that.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #89, 04-28-2009 08:36 PM
      Continuing with the engine build up... Dan put a little more shine on things and the engine cleaned up very well. Here's another look at it after most of the painting is done:







Looked great!


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #90, 04-29-2009 11:59 AM
      Now were talking!

Eclipse (jay.brintnell@gmail.com) MSG #91, 04-29-2009 12:23 PM
      Looking very good! GOing to have it at done for the show this summer?



infinitewill MSG #92, 04-29-2009 12:32 PM
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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #93, 04-29-2009 05:18 PM
      Thanks for the compliments guys!

Jay, yes I will have it out for the summer and the shows. The engine was actually done last year and I'm sort of catching up on the build thread. It sprung a coolant leak at the end of the season last year, I put it away for storage and I just got back from school last week. I've fixed the coolant leak and I will be out terrorizing the streets again now


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #94, 04-30-2009 04:15 PM
      After the new powerplant was shaping up, Dan went on to remove the old engine and its slushbox 3 speed auto.

Here's the 2.8 out of the car, ready to find itself a new home:



It was a good looking engine, but just didn't have the get up and go I wanted



And finally the cradle all alone, bare and empty:

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #95, 05-05-2009 03:04 PM
      After the cradle was removed, the new engine was fitted with some of the wiring and then mounted to the cradle. I'm just going to assume that Dan makes his own mounts for the engine:

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Next up is a test fit.... and it looks like everything is nice and straight! Tons of room in there ...maybe for a future turbo







Stay tuned for more!



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #96, 05-05-2009 11:46 PM
      Now that's motor like it

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #97, 05-06-2009 05:09 PM
      Here are a few more things that needed to get done along the way:

Dan installed a gas strut for the decklid:



And then moved onto the exhaust and exhaust tips

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It was coming together nicely!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #98, 05-12-2009 11:13 PM
      That covers pretty much all of the major engine work...

just a few final pictures of it all done! At this point FIEROFLYER was sending me these pictures and I couldn't wait to pick up the "new" car

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And there she sat, waiting for me to pick her up:



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #99, 05-13-2009 12:50 AM
      Awesome! I'm jealous, I want a L67 swap, though I really don't have the money right now.
Nothing against your engine or anything but If I did a L67 swap to my fiero I would want to get rid of all those black hoses on top of the blower.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #100, 05-13-2009 01:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Awesome! I'm jealous, I want a L67 swap, though I really don't have the money right now.
Nothing against your engine or anything but If I did a L67 swap to my fiero I would want to get rid of all those black hoses on top of the blower.


Thanks

As for those fuel lines and hoses, Im getting rid of them real soon. I'll post some pictures of the new fuel rails I will be installing soon


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #101, 05-13-2009 01:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I have a little time for another update!

At this point I had figured I would have some fun with some neon lights. Some people think its ricey and corny but all of the lights are hidden so its not like it takes away from the appearance of the car when I flip the switch to have them off. The lights attracted a lot of attention and were alright in my opinion. The underglow did meet its demise though and were smashed.

So the underglow is no more and I removed the tubes. However, here are some pictures while they were in one piece. I even did the engine compartment:


And the interior was accented with a few hidden neons as well... theres two behind each seat that you cant see that light up the rest of the interior. These are still in the car, however, Im considering removing them as well...



when you do underglow you almost have to use the LED tubes. they dont have a good lightstreem flow under the car but they will last longer and hold up a lot better. also the high end kits allow you to change the colors of the lights. only problem you run into it depending on the state laws they will fine you i think its $10 a bulb around here and depending on the cops mood they will go and count every led in the tube.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 05-13-2009 01:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pontiackid86:
when you do underglow you almost have to use the LED tubes. they dont have a good lightstreem flow under the car but they will last longer and hold up a lot better. also the high end kits allow you to change the colors of the lights. only problem you run into it depending on the state laws they will fine you i think its $10 a bulb around here and depending on the cops mood they will go and count every led in the tube.


I just used those ones because they were cheap. Either way, the durability of these things suck and I ditched them. I also recently decided to ditch the interior neons. It was all pretty flashy at night but just a pain in the ass with wires running everywhere. I opted for a cleaner, simpler look.


rourke_87_T-Top (rourke_r@hotmail.com) MSG #103, 05-13-2009 06:50 AM
      Your car has come a long way, looks good. I'm sure you will enjoy it this summer.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #104, 05-13-2009 02:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rourke_87_T-Top:

Your car has come a long way, looks good. I'm sure you will enjoy it this summer.


Thanks I've definitely been enjoying it lately. Finally the right kinda weather is coming around


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #105, 05-18-2009 08:12 PM
      So you'd think that right after I get the fiero home from the swap I'd drive it! Well... there had been one part of the car that had been bothering me for quite some time. Ever since I lowered it, I felt like the front of the car sat a little too high. I wanted a more raked look toward the front... so what did I do instead of drive it? Chop the front springs of course!

I wish I took before and after shots, but I was too excited to tear into the car again. So here are after pics. I think the stance is much better now









I think you can see a big difference with how the wheel well hugs the front wheels now

Also, one more engine shot because I'm so proud. Finally seeing the sunlight:



It doesn't stop here though!


mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #106, 05-18-2009 10:23 PM
      Did you have to cut your trunk at all for your exhaust and any pics from below the car of it? I have bullet style mufflers on my swap now that has the manifold exit where the 3800 is but im looking for was to fit a muffler like yours. Thanks and nice car.

Eau_Rouge MSG #107, 05-18-2009 11:18 PM
      The stance on your car looks much better...want to do the same to mine at some point. How's the ride now? Does your suspension hit the bump stops at the front...when you hit bumps on the road?

So how fast it that thing...in comparison to that yellow C5 in some of your other photo's?

Very nice car!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 05-19-2009 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mtownfiero:

Did you have to cut your trunk at all for your exhaust and any pics from below the car of it? I have bullet style mufflers on my swap now that has the manifold exit where the 3800 is but im looking for was to fit a muffler like yours. Thanks and nice car.


Fieroflyer did not have to cut my trunk at all. The muffler fit in the stock location... its tight but it fits. Unfortunately at this point I do not have any pictures from under the car. I may have some soon though, I have a lot more to work on

 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:

The stance on your car looks much better...want to do the same to mine at some point. How's the ride now? Does your suspension hit the bump stops at the front...when you hit bumps on the road?

So how fast it that thing...in comparison to that yellow C5 in some of your other photo's?

Very nice car!



The ride now is definitely rougher. I probably am hitting the bump stops when I run over big pot holes. I do my best to avoid them, but its almost impossible around here. Its a good thing I have 16 inch rims with decent tires or else if I had rubber bands it would be worse.

As for how fast it is... its really quick. I haven't taken it to the track yet, but maybe I will. I doubt it will beat my dad's C5 but its fun none the less. My problem is that I need better tires for traction. I just have cheap ones on the rear right now that will spin off the line and won't hook up very well.

Thanks for checking the car out guys!


Tony Kania MSG #109, 05-19-2009 12:16 PM
      I am always waiting for your next update. I have always thought that your car has a great stance to it. Excellent work.

Congratulations on making it to the construction zone.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #110, 05-19-2009 02:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I am always waiting for your next update. I have always thought that your car has a great stance to it. Excellent work.

Congratulations on making it to the construction zone.



Thanks!

I have more things to post, I should have pictures soon

Lots of projects on the go!


Eau_Rouge MSG #111, 05-19-2009 08:24 PM
     

The ride now is definitely rougher. I probably am hitting the bump stops when I run over big pot holes. I do my best to avoid them, but its almost impossible around here. Its a good thing I have 16 inch rims with decent tires or else if I had rubber bands it would be worse.

As for how fast it is... its really quick. I haven't taken it to the track yet, but maybe I will. I doubt it will beat my dad's C5 but its fun none the less. My problem is that I need better tires for traction. I just have cheap ones on the rear right now that will spin off the line and won't hook up very well.

Thanks for checking the car out guys![/QUOTE]


I hear you, it always seems as if they decide to repave the roads right before the winter hits again. Last year on the 401 around the Milton area was a nightmare.

About going to the track, make sure you have good brakes and braided brake lines...I took my car to the track a few years ago with the stock brake setup and after braking after two long staights, my pedal was on the floor - not a good feeling!

Can't wait to get my car back on the road, your car is giving me fiero envy especially since it looks alot like mine.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #112, 05-22-2009 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:
I hear you, it always seems as if they decide to repave the roads right before the winter hits again. Last year on the 401 around the Milton area was a nightmare.

About going to the track, make sure you have good brakes and braided brake lines...I took my car to the track a few years ago with the stock brake setup and after braking after two long staights, my pedal was on the floor - not a good feeling!

Can't wait to get my car back on the road, your car is giving me fiero envy especially since it looks alot like mine. !



Thanks for the tips I'll keep them in mind. The only track I think I'll be able to get to this season is the drag strip, I'm curious to see what kind of time it will post. I think in August I will also dyno it

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 05-22-2009 07:45 PM
      So now that I'm finally caught up in the build thread, I can post what I've been doing lately!

Over the winter I bought a few items off of some members here as well as other places, and they are waiting to go on the car.

Recently I took the Rodney Dickman Short Shifter out of storage, as well as my Aeroforce Interceptor Scan Gauge and decided it was time to install them

Take a look!





These two items were pretty easy to install, the short shifter just bolts in, and the scan gauge pretty much plugs in (with the addition of a 12V power source). After hiding the wiring, I was all done

Here are some pictures of the final products sitting in place:







More stuff on the way soon!


Tony Kania MSG #114, 05-22-2009 08:00 PM
      What does the scan guage do? I am perplexed.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #115, 05-22-2009 08:10 PM
      http://www.aeroforcetech.com/

The answer to all of your questions

I've found it to be pretty useful so far! Lots of parameters to scroll through, but you need to have OBDII


mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #116, 05-24-2009 05:59 PM
      J/w again on the exhaust, does the inlet pipe go under the rear brace of the cradle and up or does it all fit behind the cradle in the space between it and the trunk? Thanks again.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #117, 05-26-2009 08:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mtownfiero:

J/w again on the exhaust, does the inlet pipe go under the rear brace of the cradle and up or does it all fit behind the cradle in the space between it and the trunk? Thanks again.


There is no crossover pipe, it was eliminated because of the transmission linkages. The front side of the engine exhaust comes down and under the cradle brace as an inlet on one side the muffler. The rear engine bank comes straight down between the trunk and engine and connects to front side exhaust pipe before the muffler inlet.

I hope thats clear... hard to explain..


mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #118, 05-26-2009 09:13 PM
      oh i was confused because the exhaust picture makes it look like the flange goes up to the rear manifold flange only.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #119, 05-27-2009 12:10 AM
      Yeah that picture is a little misleading... you can't really see the rear part of the exhaust system. I'll see if I can get one from under the car soon

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #120, 06-07-2009 07:04 PM
      So I completely forgot to take a picture of the exhaust, however, I did manage to snap a picture of the ZZP modular pulley system that is now installed on the blower.

I went with a 3.4 pulley and it seems to be working fine. I only get a bit of KR doing 4th gear pulls on really hot days, which is apparently pretty normal with the 4spd manual from what I hear.

Take a look (Ignore the dirty engine compartment right now, it needs a good cleaning):



As usual, more updates and upgrades to come

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #121, 06-12-2009 09:14 PM
      Today I managed to get some gauges out of my basement and onto the car. I've had these for a while and today I had the day off. Perfect time to install them!

The set up is a dual A-pillar gauge set up, I went with glowshift gauges (courtesy of my girlfriend ). There is a boost gauge and a fuel pressure gauge.

Here are a couple shots of the gauges being prepped for installation:





I didn't take any pictures of the routing of the wires or the solid copper tubing I used for the boost gauge, however I ran them through the firewall above the engine computer and to the side, up the B pillar, and then under the roof over to the A pillar.

Here is the finished product:





They're clear and easy to read, and can be changed to 7 different colours

Heres a night shot:



Stay tuned! More parts to come soon

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #122, 06-21-2009 08:13 PM
      On to the next order of business... HID slim pop ups

I made a whole thread about this so I'm just going to post a few pictures of the process and post a link to the thread.





















Enjoy!!

Here's the link to the thread about it:


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/076247.html

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Tony Kania MSG #123, 06-21-2009 09:38 PM
      Niiiiiicccccccce! I like the side by side with the original and the new.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #124, 06-21-2009 10:21 PM
      Thanks!

Heres a night shot:



HC MSG #125, 06-21-2009 10:28 PM
      The new lights look real sharp! I am kinda liking this route better than the much more expensive double Hella setup. A plus for you!

[Edit: you already had a plus for the wallpapers you made]

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #126, 06-22-2009 08:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HC:

The new lights look real sharp! I am kinda liking this route better than the much more expensive double Hella setup. A plus for you!

[Edit: you already had a plus for the wallpapers you made]



Thanks! It's a nice alternative to the more expensive set up, however, if I had the money I'd buy the hella stuff. They're top quality.



1986Fiero (balkow_scott@yahoo.com) MSG #127, 07-05-2009 11:29 PM
      i got an 86 se and im 15. i wish mine looks as good as urs though. maybe in the future. i mean definately in the future.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #128, 07-07-2009 01:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1986Fiero:

i got an 86 se and im 15. i wish mine looks as good as urs though. maybe in the future. i mean definately in the future.


Thanks Just keep workin at it bit by bit...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #129, 07-14-2009 10:53 PM
      I haven't completed anything major lately, just been working on some small details and upkeep.

I took some pictures of the headlights after I switched them the right way up... I guess wherever the headlights were made, "TOP" actually means bottom







I also changed my autometer gauges to use 194 bulbs so I could conveniently install some red bulbs for them to match the rest of the interior and my glow shift gauges:



Next thing on the to do list is Series III fuel rails, my side scoops... and maybe even a dyno run


Tony Kania MSG #130, 07-14-2009 11:29 PM
     

I am not sure if it is the quality of your camera, or the car, but I just love this shot.


infinitewill MSG #131, 07-15-2009 08:24 AM
      .

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #132, 07-16-2009 10:30 PM
      Thanks for the compliments guys

I think this weekend will be another productive one



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 07-17-2009 09:24 PM
      Next order of business is the Series III fuel rails that I've had sitting around...

Here are some pictures:





They will clean up the engine compartment and get rid of many of the lines covering the blower.

I actually have finished installing these lines today, so I'll get some pictures tomorrow when theres sunlight. It was raining today, and its a little dark and dingy in the garage.

I'll post again tomorrow



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #134, 07-18-2009 01:32 PM
      As promised, I was able to snap a few pictures today of the new fuel rails on the car

This is a before shot:



And here is the finished product:





I still need to clean up more wires/hoses and just clean the engine in general, but as you can see, the blower is more visible and the engine got a little more attention

I'll leave you guys with a few other recent pictures of the car as a whole:













Tony Kania MSG #135, 07-18-2009 02:02 PM
      I know that you are always thinking about a rear diffuser. But, I really do like the shark fins that you put on the bottom of yours. What are those off of? I know that they are pretty much just for looks, but I may want to do that to my 87GT. Just looks great, and really stands out.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 07-19-2009 12:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I know that you are always thinking about a rear diffuser. But, I really do like the shark fins that you put on the bottom of yours. What are those off of? I know that they are pretty much just for looks, but I may want to do that to my 87GT. Just looks great, and really stands out.


You're right, I want to build more of a real diffuser.

However, those shark fin accents were bought at Canadian Tire, they were about 5 bucks a piece. They're just fake shark fin antennas. They add a nice flare to the rear bumper, some people don't like them, but they'll do for now...

Thanks for the compliments



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #137, 08-01-2009 11:16 PM
      I have a few other updates to post here

I recently ordered a nice shift boot from FieroThomas and installed it a few days ago. I went with the black snake skin and I think it looks great:



I also installed fierostore front clear turn signals that I got from another member. Thanks Wayne! I installed some xenon bulbs to go well with my HID setup. They look more modern now and are a nice crystal white:



Thats it for now...

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #138, 08-01-2009 11:23 PM
      Another update that I forgot to post was that I took my car to an all Pontiac show today here in Ontario. It was hosted by the Ontario Pontiac Club and took place at the drag strip! I really wanted to run my car down the track but since the event was a few hours from home, I was a little nervous about blowing up my transmission. I stayed off the track and kind of regret it, but I'm happy I still have a functioning car lol.

However, I did take home 3rd place in the wild modified class, and I was representing the fiero crowd as the only fiero to attend

Here are some pictures of the car and my lovely girlfriend showing off my 3rd place ribbon lol:











Enjoy!

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thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #139, 08-08-2009 10:14 PM
      are those just stock series 3 fuel lines and where did you get them??? just what i need to clean up my car too... that and a new coupler for the sc snout...mines kinda noisy...ps dont worry about toasting the tranny i beat the crap outta mine and it still is fine.... tim..

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #140, 08-09-2009 01:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by thismanyfieros:

are those just stock series 3 fuel lines and where did you get them??? just what i need to clean up my car too... that and a new coupler for the sc snout...mines kinda noisy...ps dont worry about toasting the tranny i beat the crap outta mine and it still is fine.... tim..


They are series III rails but they've been modified... I bought them from another member so I'm not really sure exactly what has been done...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #141, 08-18-2009 06:58 PM
      So the latest update is new pedals. I came across some red anodized sparco pedals... now I know my interior theme is black and silver, but I thought red on the brake and clutch would spice things up. I kept my old gas pedal because its big enough that I'm able to heel/toe with it... check it out:





mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #142, 08-19-2009 02:21 PM
      I wish I had that much money.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #143, 08-19-2009 04:29 PM
      hahaha I'm a student making 15$ an hour.. I don't have a whole lot of money... I wish though lol.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #144, 08-20-2009 09:58 PM
      I'll go back to college If they paid me $15/hour. I miss all the college chicks everywhere.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #145, 08-21-2009 01:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

I'll go back to college If they paid me $15/hour. I miss all the college chicks everywhere.


lol well I'm not getting paid through my university, I'm working at a gym for the summer... back to school in 2-3 weeks though! So no more income then


metal144 MSG #146, 08-22-2009 08:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I have a few other updates to post here

I recently ordered a nice shift boot from FieroThomas and installed it a few days ago. I went with the black snake skin and I think it looks great:



I also installed fierostore front clear turn signals that I got from another member. Thanks Wayne! I installed some xenon bulbs to go well with my HID setup. They look more modern now and are a nice crystal white:



Thats it for now...



That car looks awesome tons of really nice details really glad you like the lights thanks for trading stuff..enjoy your ride.

Cheers
Wayne

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #147, 08-26-2009 09:37 PM
      Thanks Wayne.

I'm starting to stock up on suspension parts now...

I just aquired some front and rear aftermarket sway bars. I have rear poly bushings. Front poly is on the way and all new tie rod/ball joints and that sort of deal is coming as well... next up is a coil over kit...

I'll take pictures as I collect stuff



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #148, 08-28-2009 03:44 PM
      As promised, a few pictures of what I've been up to lately:

Collecting suspension parts:

Front/rear poly bushings:


Front/Rear aftermarket sway bars are on the way...


Also, I picked up some of these "splitters/canaards" that they sell on ebay:



No they won't be bolted to my front bumper.

Instead, I'm using them as diffuser fins for my rear diffuser project. Right now I'm in the stages of doing a mock-up with cardboard. Please jump in with suggestions:









And here is a picture of it placed under the car, but not held up into its proper position. The old "fins" I have on there will have to be removed.



Now I was also thinking about some kind of front splitter/flap that would reduce the amount of air that hits the front tires causing drag. I just taped some cardboard in place, but what do you guys think? Does it have potential or am I getting carried away

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Jake_Dragon MSG #149, 08-29-2009 11:11 AM
      I like the diffuser, you should be able to pickup some aluminum and cut it with a jig saw. Its not hard to form and could be done with a couple of 2x4s if you wanted to try yourself. Stick one 2x4 under the aluminum and the other spaced back about 6 inches on the top side. Now just step on it. You can create the correct roll by moving the top board closer or farther away and just work your way from one end to the other. This also depends on the thickness of aluminum you use. If its too thick you will have to take it to someone with a roller and a metal break.
The splitters will help hold it to the correct shape and what every you bolt it to to hold it to the Fiero. Once bolted on it should be pretty stiff.

I don't know about the front flap, I think you could get the same results by splitting the wheel liner and the underside of the fascia and just pull it out flush with the tires. Just bolt a piece of aluminum to the back side and paint it black. You could use something to fill in the cut and use some glue to fill the gap.

Cars looking good, keep at it and don't sell it take that from someone that sold their first project car.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #150, 08-29-2009 11:53 AM
      I'm wondering about your chin spoiler, do you scrape the bottom very often? How is it when you cross over driveways?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #151, 08-29-2009 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

I like the diffuser, you should be able to pickup some aluminum and cut it with a jig saw. Its not hard to form and could be done with a couple of 2x4s if you wanted to try yourself. Stick one 2x4 under the aluminum and the other spaced back about 6 inches on the top side. Now just step on it. You can create the correct roll by moving the top board closer or farther away and just work your way from one end to the other. This also depends on the thickness of aluminum you use. If its too thick you will have to take it to someone with a roller and a metal break.
The splitters will help hold it to the correct shape and what every you bolt it to to hold it to the Fiero. Once bolted on it should be pretty stiff.

I don't know about the front flap, I think you could get the same results by splitting the wheel liner and the underside of the fascia and just pull it out flush with the tires. Just bolt a piece of aluminum to the back side and paint it black. You could use something to fill in the cut and use some glue to fill the gap.

Cars looking good, keep at it and don't sell it take that from someone that sold their first project car.


Thanks for the tip I *may* try it myself but I'm not sure yet. I want it to look very professional consiering its going on the outside of the car. I'm also not sure on what type of gauge aluminum I should use. I will probably also drill out some holes near the muffler so that some heat may dissipate through it, as well as allow water to drain in case it gets up there. Oh, and of course paint it black.

Amida,

my front chin spoiler has been pretty good so far. From pictures I see of other front chin spoilers, it seems that mine is ever so slightly smaller. It drags on the odd driveway now and then, and the underside gets scraped up a bit, but it hasnt cracked *keeps fingers crossed*. Every now and then I throw some semi gloss black spray paint on it that matches the rest of the trim. I find that rocks chip it a lot though



Jake_Dragon MSG #152, 08-29-2009 12:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Thanks for the tip I *may* try it myself but I'm not sure yet. I want it to look very professional consiering its going on the outside of the car. I'm also not sure on what type of gauge aluminum I should use. I will probably also drill out some holes near the muffler so that some heat may dissipate through it, as well as allow water to drain in case it gets up there. Oh, and of course paint it black.


I hear you, if you take it somewhere you will be able to use thicker metal, I would go with 14 gage if I had a shop to form it. I wouldn't try to bend anything thicker than 16 gage at home, the roll will be easy but the bend will be harder to make look good without a break press. You could install some ribs on the back side if your worried about it flexing.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #153, 08-30-2009 12:26 AM
      Awesome, thanks for the advice. The real deal may not happen until next spring because next weekend I move back to another city for school... which means the fiero gets tucked away for the winter Summer flew by but I felt that I got a lot accomplished. Next year will be productive as well. I usually stock up on parts over the winter ... its already begun

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #154, 08-31-2009 08:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


my front chin spoiler has been pretty good so far. From pictures I see of other front chin spoilers, it seems that mine is ever so slightly smaller. It drags on the odd driveway now and then, and the underside gets scraped up a bit, but it hasnt cracked *keeps fingers crossed*. Every now and then I throw some semi gloss black spray paint on it that matches the rest of the trim. I find that rocks chip it a lot though


How thick is the chin glass lay-up? Do you think it needs to be thicker to withstand more abuse?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #155, 08-31-2009 09:28 AM
      Hmm, I'd have to go check, unfortunately I don't have any calipers or anything to get an exact measurement. However, its not overly thick... I think the key reason it hasn't broke is because its about an inch shorter than some of the other ones I've seen... I'll go outside and take a guess on the thickness in the next little while.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #156, 09-02-2009 10:25 AM
      Amida, my best guess for the chin spoiler layup is about 3-4 mm thick.

Also, just for a change of pace from pictures, heres some video:





Just wanted to get it up to the speed limit and then kill the throttle..


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #157, 09-02-2009 11:40 AM
      Ah, look what the mailman just delivered:



Addco front bar, fierostore rear bar, all with poly of course... Thanks Nolan! (Sourmug)

Just more stuff to put away for that suspension rebuild next spring



Sourmug MSG #158, 09-03-2009 12:59 AM
      You're welcome!

I like what you're doing to your car and your interior looks great. How do you like your engine??

Nolan


FieroJonney (a2xhero@yahoo.com) MSG #159, 09-03-2009 09:51 PM
      Love the car, my favorite non-chopped notch out there, without a doubt.
I love your interior so much, I'm going to try the same thing this winter! :-D I hope you don't mind. hehe.
Has the paint held up over the years? Do you have to do any touch ups here and there?
Thanks

Jon

Edit: Where did you get your carpet/floor mats from?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #160, 09-03-2009 10:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sourmug:

You're welcome!

I like what you're doing to your car and your interior looks great. How do you like your engine??

Nolan


LOVE the engine if you can't tell by the videos lol.


FieroJonney,

thank you for the compliments! Go ahead and do the same thing if you want! The paint has held up alright, I've had to do the odd touch up here and there. The trick is proper prep for the paint and let it dry for a LONG time.

The carpets I painted with the vinyl spray paint and the floor mats are just universal floor mats from the local autoshop.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #161, 09-05-2009 07:35 PM
      Today I put my fiero away for the winter. I'm moving back to school tomorrow. As I was washing it before storing it, I noticed the paint cracking off one of my rims... upon closer inspection, it looks like one of them is %^(&%*'ing cracked. An entire spoke is cracked. Wtf.

Looks like new rims may be on their way sooner than I thought.

If anybody know of 17inch Enkei RPF1's for sale in black, let me know!

I think I like this look:

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #162, 09-06-2009 11:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Amida, my best guess for the chin spoiler layup is about 3-4 mm thick.



That's what I figured. I probably would not go any thicker than 3/16". If anything I'll just fill it with a foam core if requested.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #163, 09-16-2009 12:35 AM
      More parts arrived today, and more are expected soon. Going with the suspension rebuild theme, I have some coil over sleeves and collars that I scored on ebay super cheap. It doesn't look like these are the crappy made in china pieces for civics. They are pretty beefy and the threads are really thick as well. Best of all, I got them for 25 bucks free shipping (they are slightly used. Only some very minor scratches on them). They also came with a plastic type of spring locater for the top of the strut it seems, some O rings that I don't know where they go, and the set screws and allen keys.

Take a look:



I also have the metal/poly spring retainers (for the top of the strut mounting plate) on the way from Held motorsports. I just need to find some springs to go with. I can't decide between 325# or 350# for the spring rate... hmm...

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #164, 09-16-2009 09:00 AM
      I think the stock spring rate is about 250lbs. I heard that 400lbs was a pretty rough ride.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #165, 09-16-2009 09:18 PM
      I don't think I would venture as high as 400#, I just can't decide between 325# and 350# for my 3800SC 4spd manual set up... hmm, I'm running KYB's so I don't want to put too high of a spring rate either.. if I had Koni's I wouldn't worry too much..

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #166, 09-16-2009 09:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I don't think I would venture as high as 400#, I just can't decide between 325# and 350# for my 3800SC 4spd manual set up... hmm, I'm running KYB's so I don't want to put too high of a spring rate either.. if I had Koni's I wouldn't worry too much..


That is the one problem I had with my coil overs. I am running the KYB struts and the spring perch has a hump in the middle. This does not allow the coil over sleeve to sit flush. I actually had to machine steel rings to create an even surface for the sleeve to sit. Let me know how you end up doing this. I think the rubber rings slide inside the sleeve to help center it on the strut.....I think....


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #167, 09-16-2009 10:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


That is the one problem I had with my coil overs. I am running the KYB struts and the spring perch has a hump in the middle. This does not allow the coil over sleeve to sit flush. I actually had to machine steel rings to create an even surface for the sleeve to sit. Let me know how you end up doing this. I think the rubber rings slide inside the sleeve to help center it on the strut.....I think....


Did you grind off the regular perch or are you using short springs, and your threaded sleeve is resting on the original perch still?

I will be grinding off the original perch, and having the sleeve sit at the bottom of the strut. I will be using 12 inch springs.


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #168, 09-17-2009 12:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


Did you grind off the regular perch or are you using short springs, and your threaded sleeve is resting on the original perch still?

I will be grinding off the original perch, and having the sleeve sit at the bottom of the strut. I will be using 12 inch springs.


Oh ok, I am using short springs so I have to leave on some of the original perch.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #169, 09-17-2009 10:34 PM
      Sounds good, let me know how it turns out

I was just messing around in photoshop.... here's how I want it to look next summer with the new rims and my side scoops installed:



kyunderdawg MSG #170, 09-17-2009 10:56 PM
      They definitely flow with the look of the car.

[This message has been edited by kyunderdawg (edited 09-17-2009).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #171, 09-18-2009 11:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kyunderdawg:

They definitely flow with the look of the car.



Thanks, now I just have to drop some serious cash on them lol


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #172, 09-28-2009 10:14 PM
      Well I went ahead and bought the rims. Found what I was looking for pretty cheap actually so I'm happy about it. Now just to find some tires... pics to follow tomorrow

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #173, 09-30-2009 12:04 AM
      I got a couple new things to post, I got my upper strut mounts for my DIY coil overs from Held Motorsports:



And finally, I got my new rims, 17 inch Enkei RPF1

They're black with a machined lip, but I plan on getting them painted with a red lip to match the photoshop I did up there ^^

Check it out!







Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #174, 09-30-2009 12:54 AM
      Are Enkeis supposed to be lighter than other brands? They're about $450 each new at Wheelmax.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #175, 09-30-2009 10:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Are Enkeis supposed to be lighter than other brands? They're about $450 each new at Wheelmax.


They;re supposed to be around 16 pounds per rim... I got mine used for a HELL of a deal..

I'm going to get the lip painted to look like this:

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 09-30-2009).]

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #176, 10-01-2009 08:50 AM
      What is the weight of a stock GT wheel ?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #177, 10-01-2009 11:56 AM
      Not really sure, a long time ago I used to have the old "tech" rims but I have no idea how much even those weigh.

JCUOIT MSG #178, 10-02-2009 03:30 PM
      jgrotzin weighed some for me a while back.

 
quote
Originally posted by jgrotzin:

Ok, I know I'm late to the party but I weighed the 88 "rear" lace rim which looks nearly identical to the 86-87 lace rims and it was about 17lbs even....

I did weigh an 87 lace rim with a "maypop" on it and it weighed in at 36lbs, so 19 for the tire. Sounds about right. Hopefully this helps.

I might be wrong about the 88 rear and 86-87 lace rims, but just trying to help...


http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/097733.html

hope that helps


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #179, 10-03-2009 04:30 PM
      Thanks for the info, considering I moved up to a 17inch rim, I did pretty good for the weight.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #180, 10-05-2009 12:54 AM
      Latest update, I'm on the search for some 225/50/17 series tires for a bargain price. If anybody has anything, let me know please. In other news, I made a new sig..



Goldenfoot (rt_jb_whittington07@q.com) MSG #181, 10-06-2009 12:18 AM
      Try www. Tireseasy.com. I have purchased 2 sets from them and have no complaints! Good luck on your search!



Bubbajuju MSG #182, 10-10-2009 02:31 AM
      I was totally stoked with www.tirerack.com
Not sure about customs though...


Edit to say: By the way, what a great thread to follow. Thanks for all of the documentation and what a beautiful car you have!

[This message has been edited by Bubbajuju (edited 10-10-2009).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #183, 10-10-2009 03:14 PM
      Thanks for the compliments and suggestions guys

I was able to make it home for the thanksgiving weekend (Canadian) and I was able to bring a rim home for the test fit and some pictures. Unfortunately there are no tires on the rims yet, so you have to use your imagination:







I also ordered some red pre cut vinyl for the rim lip off ebay. I'm not a big fan of this chrome. The vinyl is much cheaper than having the lip painted. I've been quoted 80 bucks PER RIM to just paint the lip. For some people thats not a bad price, but for me its a lot. Student bills really suck, but I guess they're the priority.

I was also able to test fit the diffuser more. I had it sitting in place and snapped some pictures of that as well. If everything comes together, I may have another member on the forum here helping me out with this piece It could turn out realllly nice!







Enjoy!


Samohtneas (seanthomas@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #184, 10-12-2009 10:21 AM
      It just keeps getting better and better every time I see it! I like the new wheels too, but does this mean those old MR7's will be up for sale a bit earlier than spring time? :P

Also liking the diffuser!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #185, 10-16-2009 09:27 PM
      Thanks for the compliments! The MR7 wheels will be up for sale in the spring, but I think I mentioned previously that one of the spokes is cracked in one of the rims.

I can't wait for more progress ! I'll update soon


Freshj (freshj_xxx@hotmail.com) MSG #186, 10-18-2009 07:59 PM
      doublec4, were you by chance in Wixom, Michigan a month or two ago? I could have swore I passed your car leaving work one day. It was a red on black notchie with black wheels, chin spoiler and a IMSA wing, just like yours. Ontario isn't that far away so I figure maybe it was you.

Beautiful car BTW. I hope mine looks half as nice some day .

[This message has been edited by Freshj (edited 10-19-2009).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #187, 10-19-2009 12:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Freshj:

doublec4, were you by chance in Wixom, Michigan a month or two ago? I could have swore I passed your car leaving work one day. It was a red on black notchie with black wheels, chin spoiler and a IMSA wing, just like yours. Ontario isn't that far away so I figure maybe it was you.

Beautiful car BTW. I hope mine looks half as nice some day .



I was in Michigan a couple months ago, but I didn't bring my car. Must be somebody else out there with similar taste

Thanks for the compliments on the car though!

I've been playing around with photoshop a little more, and came up with a few renderings of possibilities for the diffuser:





Lots of plans, good thing I have all winter to get it all to come together!


InTheLead MSG #188, 10-19-2009 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


They;re supposed to be around 16 pounds per rim... I got mine used for a HELL of a deal..

I'm going to get the lip painted to look like this:





So what looks better? Your Fiero with the rims, or you wearing your fluffy high heals?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #189, 10-19-2009 03:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by InTheLead:


So what looks better? Your Fiero with the rims, or you wearing your fluffy high heals?


hahhahah yep you caught me, I'm a cross dresser! kidding lol, the girlfriend likes to leave her stuff all over my room.


kyunderdawg MSG #190, 10-19-2009 08:27 PM
      On this pic.....the opening under the lisence plate.....is that going to be an exhaust opening? If so,



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #191, 10-20-2009 12:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kyunderdawg:

On this pic.....the opening under the lisence plate.....is that going to be an exhaust opening? If so,


Right now I'm just messing around with ideas, but it won't be an exhaust opening. I think it would be too much work to route the exhaust there, although it would be really cool. Maybe it will just vent heat from the muffler instead.


Samohtneas (seanthomas@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #192, 10-22-2009 04:40 PM
      Still loving this car every step of the way!

Questions about your suspension: Just how small is the gap between your rear wheels and the well? I have lowering springs as well on my car but I have no idea what exact amount my car has been lowered.. did the Eibachs make the rear that close, did you cut them like the front? Or is it just the size of your wheels/tires making it look that way?

Other then that, just wait until you get that poly and sway bars on.. Way too much fun, these cars.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #193, 10-22-2009 09:08 PM
      The rear was lowered with eibach springs but they were not cut. The rear tires and rims aren't a ridiculously big size or anything, I think 225/50/16 if I can recall correctly. I will actually be going to a taller rim/tire combination in the rear with the new wheels. It will give me slightly more ground clearance while eliminating even more wheel well gap. Thanks

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #194, 10-25-2009 12:29 AM
      Wheel update:

The red adhesive vinyl lips came in today. Much cheaper alternative to painting the lip in the meantime. Still on the look out for some tires locally!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #195, 10-26-2009 10:16 AM
      Here's a couple shots of one of the decals applied. I don't want to put them all on before the tires are installed (shop might mess them up). So I put one of the spares on to see how it would fit and look.







I think they will look pretty good overall once it is complete.


mrjohnishome (hcpcjj@aol.com) MSG #196, 10-26-2009 04:58 PM
      where did you get those red vinyl lips at? they look good

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #197, 10-26-2009 07:13 PM
      I purchased them off ebay. Shinegrfx I think was the seller... you can order them in a custom width.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #198, 10-27-2009 12:51 AM
      Looking good, I love the RPF1s and the diffuser. I am waiting to see how it turns out.
PM Sent


pavo_roddy MSG #199, 10-27-2009 03:22 AM
      HI all

The Brembo stickers on yur calipers, are they the WCF 12" brembo kit, or stickers?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #200, 10-27-2009 09:29 AM
      Thanks guys

The brembo is just a decal. When I redo the suspension in the spring, I'm going to replace those with IMSA decals. The brake swap is the 11.25 inch lebaron swap.


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #201, 10-27-2009 08:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Thanks guys

The brembo is just a decal. When I redo the suspension in the spring, I'm going to replace those with IMSA decals. The brake swap is the 11.25 inch lebaron swap.


Did someone say they needed IMSA decals????


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #202, 10-27-2009 10:00 PM
      I do want to get a few IMSA decals... 4 for the calipers and 1 for the diffuser... gotta pay homage to the guy building it

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #203, 10-27-2009 11:52 PM
      A little blurry. I had to shut off the flash in a darker room.....red vinyl decal I just created.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #204, 10-28-2009 09:08 AM
      That looks really good, I had this image I photoshopped a while ago:



I was going to make a sticker like that for the diffuser, and then 4 stickers with just the letters for the calipers.

Very very similar, I just included the logo


daveg MSG #205, 10-28-2009 10:16 AM
      If you are still needing tires, here are some sticky ones I saw for a good price...

http://www.casc.on.ca/forum...owthread.php?t=17520


Dave


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #206, 10-28-2009 11:01 AM
      As much as I'd absolutelyyyyy love to run those tires, an R compound on the street probably isn't the best idea. I drive it in the rain sometimes and that tread doesn't look like it would evacuate water very well lol. Thanks for the heads up though!

Tony Kania MSG #207, 10-28-2009 11:32 AM
      Check into some Nitto Neo Gens. Excellent traction, cornering, and wet weather performance. They are engineered for a lighter vehicle. I am really happy with mine. I currently have about 5,000 miles on this set, and they still appear fresh out of the box. I researched a ton of tires before my purchase, and for the cost, these won hands down. Everything that I have read about them were great. The tread pattern looks very aggressive, but handles rain like a pro. Look into them. You will be happy with the price.

Tony


JCUOIT MSG #208, 10-28-2009 01:53 PM
      I've got Fuzion ZRi Tires on my car. plenty sticky, never had any rainy day driving problems. Very good tire at the edge, and easy on the wallet.

I'd never heard of them, neither had the local tire dealer. Some friends in to auto crossing told me about them.


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #209, 10-29-2009 12:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

That looks really good, I had this image I photoshopped a while ago:



I was going to make a sticker like that for the diffuser, and then 4 stickers with just the letters for the calipers.

Very very similar, I just included the logo


Feel free to send me the file if you want the decals.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #210, 10-30-2009 10:37 AM
      Sounds good I'm assuming the file has to be the appropriate size for the sticker? I'll resize them a bit later and email it to you in a file type that supports transparency for the background. Thanks!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #211, 10-30-2009 02:43 PM
      So I'm pretty sure I said I wasn't going to complete a rim with the vinyl before the tires go on... but I got much to anxious and went ahead and did it anyways. Hopefully the tire shop doesn't scrape the vinyl.

Final product (minus the center caps)







I'm sure I'll have more updates soon... I think I found some tires, don't want to speak too soon.


kyunderdawg MSG #212, 10-31-2009 11:44 PM
      Uuuuhhhh, those look like crap. J/K You need to just send those down south so I can mount them on my car. Just trying to keep you from embarrassing yourself.

No, seriously......JUST JOKING. Can't wait to see them mounted.

Paul


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #213, 10-31-2009 11:57 PM
      I like them. I may powdercoat mine black after I wear out the first set of tires. If you don't like the extra holes for the second bolt pattern, I have some black plugs that will probably fit.
Like these:


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #214, 11-01-2009 04:06 PM
      The color looks orange-ish, is it just the flash? If you got clear red tape it might look like red anodizing on the rim.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #215, 11-01-2009 04:29 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys

ClayTonto, pm sent,

Amida, they're red vinyl but the flash makes them look pretty bright red maybe even orangish on your monitor. On my monitor they still appear to be pretty red but who knows, my settings may be different. Not really sure where I would get clear red tape but that would be a cool effect.

Either way, I can't wait to get them on the car


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #216, 11-01-2009 07:01 PM
      PM returned.

ICCAMDFIERO (greghenderson0202@yahoo.com) MSG #217, 11-04-2009 12:44 AM
      Just came across your build, and it looks very nice! You have alot of very cool ideas! Also you have done a lot of very cool things already. I'm in progress of my sc3800 swap right now.Keep up the good work!

Vendetta (atrizzino@gmail.com) MSG #218, 11-04-2009 05:32 AM
      I dont think i would do it but they sell red plugs too.

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/65026/10002/-1



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #219, 11-04-2009 10:41 AM
      Yeah I wouldn't do red plugs either. Actually, I don't think I'll be doing any plugs if I can't find a place in Canada that sells them. Summit and Jegs charge too much to ship/handle to Canada for an item worth a couple bucks. Its like 5 bucks for plugs and 30 bucks flat rate for shipping and handling for items 0 - 20$ or something like that. Then the brokerage fees from UPS once it gets to my door. No thanks

Edit to say thanks for the comments

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 11-04-2009).]

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #220, 11-04-2009 11:30 AM
      In Brampton, Ontario

http://www.capsnplugs.com/p...lugs_finishingplugs/

Edit....it appears that they will ship small quantities on request.

[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 11-04-2009).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #221, 11-05-2009 08:51 PM
      Thanks I'll look into it !

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #222, 11-06-2009 06:45 PM
      Man, they really hammer you guys on fees.

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #223, 11-06-2009 08:23 PM
      What size plugs do your wheels need. I have many different hole plugs at work that I can get you in 1/4", 3/8", 5"16", 7/8" and a few others.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #224, 11-06-2009 11:16 PM
      It's about 0.865 inches so closest plug is about 7/8inch. If you could get some in black that would be really awesome!

ClayTonto, they really do kill us for shipping up here. Its a crime.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #225, 11-09-2009 10:26 PM
      New update that I'm very excited about. I just found a great deal locally on some tires. I picked up some BF Goodrich G-Force T/A KD's

These things have received great ratings online and they look sticky! I can't wait to see how they feel on the road.

225/45/17

Take a look!

(Picture off the net)


And the tires on my driveway:





I'll have them mounted soon


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #226, 11-10-2009 01:43 AM
      RPF1s and BFGoodies? Impecable taste.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #227, 11-10-2009 10:20 AM
      Why thank you

Should be a nice combination for some spirited driving


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #228, 11-15-2009 12:23 PM
      Just for fun, I took the old photoshop I did and touched it up with a few small changes that I'd like to make happen one day.



One of those changes is small, very subtle fender flares in the rear. I actually used the ones off of a lotus esprit for this photoshop. I didn't want to get too carried away and make it look too busy.


rourke_87_T-Top (rourke_r@hotmail.com) MSG #229, 11-17-2009 06:05 PM
      Hey Chris, yes very good choice. You will really like the G Force.

daveg MSG #230, 11-18-2009 10:19 AM
      I had a set of these and they were awesome. At one time they were the stickiest street tire you could buy and had recorded over 1.0g on the skidpad.

dave


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #231, 11-18-2009 06:27 PM
      I just tested my new G-Force KDWs and they are really sticky. Even with a V8 and Big brakes, it's a fight to break them loose. And they're not even broke-in yet.
These are my third set of G-Forces. You will not be disappointed.



kyunderdawg MSG #232, 11-18-2009 11:40 PM
      doublec4,

Quit teasing and get'em on there.


unboundmo (unboundmo@aol.com) MSG #233, 11-19-2009 03:21 AM
      I like the photo shopped pic.. You have the chin spoiler on there now? Is it the closed mouth or open where it shows two openings? Do you drag sometimes being so low. My drop is about the same and I'm just worried about getting it caught on something and breaking. I was looking at The non notched extended GT front bumper from Fiero warehouse for mine... The rear looks like a defuser rear bumper... Very cool.



Cool rims. The detail is subtle and clean. They add a nice look to the ride. Nice tire too... I'm running Falkens 452's. These too are hard to let loose.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #234, 11-19-2009 11:41 AM
      Thanks for the comments guys, I can't wait to get them on there either. However, that probably won't be until the spring. I go to school away from home where my car is being stored right now for the winter. A lot of the parts that I'm posting are parts that I've bought and that I've had shipped to my parents house.

I also have one other problem right now.

The tires I bought are wonderful, BUT I have 3 passenger side tires and 1 driver side!! I bought them from a buy and sell forum local to my parents, so I had my dad go pick them up. I forgot to tell my dad to check them because I knew they were directional. Turns out the guy gave him 3 passenger side and 1 driver side Do you guys think that maybe if I call around to a few places, that a shop might be able to trade me for a driver side? They're still brand new with the stickers right on them.

unboundmo, yes I have the chin spoiler on it right now. Its a closed mouth, and I can drag it on the right driveway. It doesn't happen too often, but once in a while I hear a scraping. Nothing has cracked yet (fingers crossed, knock on wood) but I occasionally repaint it from stone chips as well. As for the diffuser, thats the look I hope to get out of it



rourke_87_T-Top (rourke_r@hotmail.com) MSG #235, 11-20-2009 04:54 PM
      I doubt you would notice any issue if you put the A symmetric on the left rear, as long they are correct rotation. who's gonna notice ?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #236, 12-02-2009 07:13 PM
      I would notice lol. Sometimes I can be picky about things like that. It would probably stay in the back of my mind and I would convince myself that the handling is off.

Good news though, this saturday I'm having two of the tires exchanged for the BF Goodrich T/A G-Force KDW in 235/45/17

So my tire set up will be:

Front: BF Goodrich T/A G-Force KD in 225/45/17
Rear: BF Goodrich T/A G-Force KDW in 235/45/17

A little wider in the rear


wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #237, 12-02-2009 08:48 PM
      wider in the rear works a lot better .i run 205 front / 245 rear .eliminates the snap throttle oversteer , especially when you have more than stock horse power .really like your new wheels .

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #238, 12-03-2009 01:03 AM
      Thanks What width rim do you have the 245's on? The rims I have are only 7 inch wide... I heard 235 is pretty much the limit, otherwise theres no performance gain from anything wider on a 7 inch rim.

wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #239, 12-03-2009 08:23 PM
      my rims are 7" by 16" .the 245's seem to fit well.the place where i bought the tires didnt mention that there might be a problem .i actually wanted even narrower tires on the front(185's)but apperantly you need to drop down to a 6 1/2 or 6" rim to do that .the fiero is not that heavy in the front so it really doesnt need that wide a tire in the front .and a narrower tire doesnt follow all the rutts and get tossed around like a wide tire does .i noticed that on my 85 4cyl .the lotus exige uses 185's in the front .

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #240, 12-03-2009 10:43 PM
      Sounds good to me, makes me feel a little more confident about putting 235's on them. I can't wait to build the rear coil overs

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #241, 12-07-2009 11:09 AM
      Just for good measure... the 235 on top, and the 225 on the bottom:



And the 235 alone:



Hopefully I will have these mounted to the rims in a couple weeks !

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 12-07-2009).]

IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #242, 12-11-2009 01:23 PM
      bump for updates!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #243, 12-12-2009 01:33 PM
      Sorry, no updates lately! I've been very occupied with exams, studying hard. After exams the updates will begin again

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #244, 01-01-2010 05:29 PM
      Sorry for the lack of updates!

I've been occupied with the holidays and all of that.

The car still sleeps for now:



I'm currently in the process of ordering springs to complete the coil over set up, as well as ball joints and tie rod ends for the suspension rebuild. I hope I don't need new rear wheel bearings, they get expensive around here.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #245, 01-03-2010 06:29 PM
      No progress on the coil springs yet.... I hate when people don't return calls.

I did manage to find exactly what I needed for the upcoming new steering wheel



Looks like a nice product and should place the steering wheel away from me a little bit again. I was never happy with how my current aftermarket wheel sits so close because of the adapter. My girlfriend says she wants to buy me this steering wheel for my birthday! It's really nice... with a touch of suede



Only problem is that my birthday isn't until June! So don't expect to see that beautiful wheel on my car for a little while

I hope my next update is about the new springs, suspension pieces, or the tires mounted to my wheels!

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 01-03-2010).]

joshua riedl MSG #246, 01-03-2010 10:24 PM
      http://www.k2motor.com/steeringwheel1.html This may be worth checking out.

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #247, 01-04-2010 06:24 AM
      doublec4, I have been looking for a steering wheel adapter just like that one from NRG. I looked but i couldnt find one made for the fiero from NRG. Would you mind telling me how you got that one. Thanks Daniel

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #248, 01-04-2010 12:40 PM
      Thanks guys,

Daniel, I got the hub from a local buy and sell, but they're all over ebay as well. PFF member Randye posted the part number in another thread, it was for a dodge. Part number is SRK-170H I believe.


daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #249, 01-05-2010 02:26 AM
      Thank you so much doublec4 for the part number. I will have to get mine ordered as well. A + to you. Thanks Daniel

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #250, 01-06-2010 10:46 PM
      No problem Dan, hope you find what you're looking for

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #251, 01-07-2010 07:49 PM
      Another update,

I just ordered some new balljoints and tie rod ends for the upcoming suspension rebuild. They should be here in a couple days.

Tomorrow I'm going to place an order on Rodney Dickmans rear inner tie rods. I might as well do it all at once!


BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #252, 01-07-2010 10:14 PM
      Nice, I like what you're doing to yours.

We're going to be keeping Rodney busy, I just placed an order with him for a complete suspension rebuild on my '87. Hopefully this year I'll be able to make it to some cruises and gatherings!

Brad


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #253, 01-11-2010 08:28 PM
      Thanks

Hope to see you and the car out at a few cruises this summer for sure!


Not a whole lot new to report here, just waiting on the suspension parts so I can add to this pile:



Also a quick pic of some of the new tools from Christmas to help make the suspension job go smoothly come spring:



I really hope the next post I make is to say my wheel I sent in has been repaired and its back in my possession!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #254, 01-16-2010 07:49 PM
      No word on the wheel getting repaired yet...

however... some suspension parts found their way to my house





The stockpile grows yet again! I really can't wait to get everything on the car and feel the difference!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #255, 01-17-2010 03:28 PM
      Just placed an order with Rodney Dickman for some rear inner tie rod ends

Other than a few odds and ends, I have covered most of the suspension rebuild parts! I can't wait


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #256, 01-22-2010 02:42 PM
      Good news! My rim is fixed and I should have it back soon! Now I can get the tires mounted and balanced and they'll be ready to go in the spring as well

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #257, 01-27-2010 01:40 PM
      The last of my orders are made... I think!

Just waiting on Rodney's rear inner tie rod ends to show up, fierostore upper control arm bolts and washers, hub centric rings for my rims, and lastly I saw a good deal on these little guys:



which I think will work well with my front splitter/undertray that I am going to build when I get home... I can't wait for everything to show up and start working on this thing again!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #258, 01-28-2010 09:43 PM
     

A new switch cover came in the mail today courtesy of bristowb, thanks man!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #259, 01-29-2010 12:02 PM
      Rodney's greasable rear inner tie rods came in the mail!



Everything is almost here...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #260, 01-29-2010 07:57 PM
      Fierostore front upper control arm bolts!



They have to be the most expensive bolts I've ever bought, even with a discount, wow..


BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #261, 01-29-2010 09:12 PM
      You got a discount at least. I bought the two UCA bolts as well as four LCA bolts last month. $96 including shipping and brokerage with UPS. For 6 bolts. Yeah... I won't be ordering anything from the Fiero Store again anytime soon unless I absolutely have to.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #262, 01-29-2010 10:27 PM
      Yup it was 60 bucks for the two bolts after brokerage fees, shipping.

I wouldn't discourage people from using the fierostore, they have good products and they're great people for keeping our cars on the road! It's Fedex and UPS that are the expensive ones!


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #263, 01-30-2010 08:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

The last of my orders are made... I think!

Just waiting on Rodney's rear inner tie rod ends to show up, fierostore upper control arm bolts and washers, hub centric rings for my rims, and lastly I saw a good deal on these little guys:



which I think will work well with my front splitter/undertray that I am going to build when I get home... I can't wait for everything to show up and start working on this thing again!



What are you making your splitter out of?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #264, 01-30-2010 08:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:


What are you making your splitter out of?


It depends on what route I decide to go.

Last year I made a front splitter template out of plywood and just bolted it to the underside of my front lip to see how it would hold up for a few days of driving. I ran into the problem of the front being way too low for city driving. The long fiero nose + an additional 1-2 inches of front splitter sticking out pretty much hits every driveway out there. The plywood got scraped up but it did survive.

Right now I'm thinking of just making a front under tray out of furniture grade birchwood I think it is? People say that its rigid and light weight for the cost. I plan on painting it black and since it just sits under the front nose, I don't care what it looks like. You won't see it because it will not stick out like a splitter.

However, if I do choose to run a proper front splitter, I might look into alumilite (spelling?) It's not exactly cheap either, but I believe it should be less expensive than carbon fiber... and I WILL secure it to the frame, not the front lip. However, this option is unlikely because of the risk of having it damaged frequently.

If I was handy with carbon fiber I would like to make something like these:



They don't stick out the front (which means no scraping) and they would bolt to the side of my front lip which means they do not hang any lower than the front lip.

So all of that being said, the most likely combination will be the wood undertray that is not visible, and I will have those winglets that I bought coming out of the sides of the front bumper, closest to the front tires.

What do you think?

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #265, 01-30-2010 09:36 PM
      If the splitter doesn't extend ahead of the nose then is it just an under tray? Maybe you could buy some lightweight prefab honeycomb panels.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #266, 01-30-2010 10:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

If the splitter doesn't extend ahead of the nose then is it just an under tray? Maybe you could buy some lightweight prefab honeycomb panels.


Thats my understanding of it. I think an undertray would be a functional addition to the car. Hmmm honeycomb panels? I don't think I've ever seen those, I'll have to google it!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #267, 02-03-2010 06:26 PM
      Hubcentric rings came in!



A nice red anodized colour too

Thank you discount tire direct !



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #268, 02-03-2010 07:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:
A nice red anodized colour too


Those looked pink to me. I didn't even use mine with the RPF1s, so I hope DTD gave you a deal.

Edit

BTW, I like your splitter idea. Mine has a fiberglass "Airdam" across the bottom in front of the radiator. It's basically a flat panel with a foil at the rear to redirect the air upwards, but it does wonders for downforce and stability. (So long as you have some body rake)

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #269, 02-03-2010 07:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


Those looked pink to me. I didn't even use mine with the RPF1s, so I hope DTD gave you a deal.

Edit

BTW, I like your splitter idea. Mine has a fiberglass "Airdam" across the bottom in front of the radiator. It's basically a flat panel with a foil at the rear to redirect the air upwards, but it does wonders for downforce and stability. (So long as you have some body rake)




I think they just look pink because of the flash, lol. Any reason why you didn't end up using yours?

Do you have any pictures of your fiberglass air dam? I'd be interested in seeing the shape of the foil to redirect the air.

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #270, 02-03-2010 11:09 PM
      My 5x100 to 5x4.5 1" adapters have the hubcentric circles built in, so I didn't need the pink ones.
I never took any pics of the airdam, but I will try to do that this weekend. Norm (normsfiberglass) made it and it attaches with rivets.
Though, I suppose it could be made out of just about any flat rigid material and attached with rivets or bolts and washers. Treated wood covered in LineX or ABS would be a cheaper method. If your chin spoiler has a lip on the bottom it would be easier to make for your car. Mine had to be made in two pieces. because of the one piece tilt front clip.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #271, 02-04-2010 06:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

My 5x100 to 5x4.5 1" adapters have the hubcentric circles built in, so I didn't need the pink ones.
I never took any pics of the airdam, but I will try to do that this weekend. Norm (normsfiberglass) made it and it attaches with rivets.
Though, I suppose it could be made out of just about any flat rigid material and attached with rivets or bolts and washers. Treated wood covered in LineX or ABS would be a cheaper method. If your chin spoiler has a lip on the bottom it would be easier to make for your car. Mine had to be made in two pieces. because of the one piece tilt front clip.


Awesome, when you get the pics be sure to post them in your thread, I'll come take a look! I always try and stay up to date with the build threads in here.

My front chin spoiler does have a small lip that runs along the inside, and that is where I had planned on attaching the under tray.


FIEROFLYER MSG #272, 02-06-2010 12:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Yup it was 60 bucks for the two bolts after brokerage fees, shipping.

I wouldn't discourage people from using the fierostore, they have good products and they're great people for keeping our cars on the road! It's Fedex and UPS that are the expensive ones!


This why I only buy from the US in large quantaties, when I bought my bolts I also bought all new polly suspension, rear KYB struts, rear tie rods plus a hole bunch more stuff. Dan


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #273, 02-06-2010 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:


This why I only buy from the US in large quantaties, when I bought my bolts I also bought all new polly suspension, rear KYB struts, rear tie rods plus a hole bunch more stuff. Dan


I would have preferred to do that, however it was the only thing I needed from the fierostore. Might even be a good idea to purchase things as a local group and then split the brokerage fees according to the value of purchases.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #274, 02-17-2010 05:09 PM
      Alright, finally an update that I've been wanting to do for a while now!

I just had the tires mounted to the new wheels! They didn't go on without a fight though. Apparently the shop said they had to use a TON of lube.





I wanted to test fit the wheel that I applied the red lip to. You can see the new wheels vs the old ones here, and you can see the much, much better tires I will be using. This time around, I went with a 235 in the rear, 225 up front, and the rear overall tire height is slightly larger. The old rims were 16 inch, the new ones are 17's.











The tires and wheels and wheel wells need to be cleaned up. I'm going to rebuild the suspension and while I'm at it, repaint the brakes. The center portion of the rotors will now be painted black, and I still need center caps for these wheels.

I couldn't get any better pictures from a distance, my dad's car is in the way. He's having some work done to it soon too... (HRE wheels, vortech charger, 14 inch brakes... he's shooting for 500whp in his C5 vette)

Tomorrow I'm going to go pick up the QA1 springs I ordered for my coil overs

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #275, 02-17-2010 09:49 PM
      Very sweet wheels. After seeing yours, I may later paint mine black.

BTW, we got several inches of snow last time I was home. I will get those pics next time I'm off.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #276, 02-18-2010 11:29 AM
      Thanks Clay,

no problem, it won't be for another 2 months before I'm home again with the car anyways. Back to school.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #277, 02-19-2010 01:13 PM
      Springs came in a day late, but I got them! QA1 springs 350# 2.5 inch I.D. and 12 inch length

Here are the parts sitting together for the upcoming DIY coil overs! I was able to put it together for 125 bucks CDN minus the struts (using the KYB's I already have).



I'm running out of stuff to pick up for the car now!

Up next, some LED treatment from TLG


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #278, 02-19-2010 03:29 PM
      Nice N shiny.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #279, 02-20-2010 04:18 PM
      Yup and it just so happens the colours match the theme of my car nicely

Fiero_Adam MSG #280, 02-20-2010 08:25 PM
      Nice. I like when people put some thought into the overall look of the car, instead of just throwing parts onto it. It's looking really good. Now get some shots of the car out of the garage.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #281, 02-20-2010 09:54 PM
      Thanks

I do have a vision / plan for the car in my head. Overall, by the end of it I hope that it has respectable performace, and the styling to match. I want it to look race-like, no chrome or really flashy stuff.

I'm trying to stick to the red and flat black theme


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #282, 02-21-2010 10:50 PM
      Picked up the ZZP A/C delete pulley today:



No more squeeling compressor clutch.

Now if I could only sell my ZZP 3.5 modular pulley... then I could get myself those LED front accents from TLG... they're on the wish list..

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drkmojo MSG #283, 03-05-2010 04:55 AM
      Car looks great. Great build thread. I really need to start taking pics and put up a build thread myself before I forget everything myself.

I really like your diffuser and will more than likely steal the idea for mine. Very nice rims. I've also been looking at the Enkei OR52 and Drag DR-25 rims. I'll now be adding the Enkei RPF1 to my list and finally decide when I see them all in person.

I've also decided to go with 225/45 ZR17 Front and 255/40/ZR17 on the Rear. This would give speedo difference of +.5% which means 59.7 mph speedo = 60 mph actual. If I go with the 245/40 ZR17s the difference would be +1.6% or 59 mph speedo = 60 mph actual.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #284, 03-05-2010 05:51 AM
      How do you like the new wheels?


 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:









doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #285, 03-05-2010 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by drkmojo:

Car looks great. Great build thread. I really need to start taking pics and put up a build thread myself before I forget everything myself.

I really like your diffuser and will more than likely steal the idea for mine. Very nice rims. I've also been looking at the Enkei OR52 and Drag DR-25 rims. I'll now be adding the Enkei RPF1 to my list and finally decide when I see them all in person.

I've also decided to go with 225/45 ZR17 Front and 255/40/ZR17 on the Rear. This would give speedo difference of +.5% which means 59.7 mph speedo = 60 mph actual. If I go with the 245/40 ZR17s the difference would be +1.6% or 59 mph speedo = 60 mph actual.


Thanks for the compliments

With that tire size in the rear you *may* need coil overs, depending on offset of the wheel. Might want to look into it just in case.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #286, 03-05-2010 01:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

How do you like the new wheels?




I love the way they look, but unfortunately I don't know how they feel yet with the new rubber. I'm back at school away from my car again until the end of April. Even for the pictures all I could do is mount one wheel.

The weather around here is getting a lot nicer again, we're averaging temps above 0! Spring is in the air and I'm itching to get back to my car and work on it!


chrismclubm MSG #287, 03-05-2010 03:40 PM
      Great Project!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #288, 03-06-2010 11:34 AM
      Thanks

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #289, 03-09-2010 09:54 PM
      Latest news is that I won a PFF award! I guess some people were nominating cars in the off topic section and I happened to win gold for the notchbacks!



First I'd like to thank God, and my family for all of their support.... alright alright I'll save you guys the speech.

Thanks to those of you who voted though!


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #290, 03-09-2010 11:24 PM
      Congrats, dude.

skuzzbomer MSG #291, 03-09-2010 11:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Latest news is that I won a PFF award! I guess some people were nominating cars in the off topic section and I happened to win gold for the notchbacks!



First I'd like to thank God, and my family for all of their support.... alright alright I'll save you guys the speech.

Thanks to those of you who voted though!


When I saw the voting start, I thought of your notchie first - then the VR6 that Dave built.


JCUOIT MSG #292, 03-11-2010 10:45 AM
      whens it back on the road?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #293, 03-11-2010 05:50 PM
      Thanks guys


It should be back on the road at the end of april after my exams.

The weather is so nice out right now I can't stand not driving it!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #294, 04-08-2010 10:12 AM
      Just a little side track, I know I haven't updated in a while.

Here's what 500 RWHP looks like:



It's my father's corvette. Got to drive it and it hauls...

And here's what I've been up to lately





Basically a mock up of the main components of a car. It was for a school project designing a steering system. Got a little carried away with modelling the rest.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #295, 04-10-2010 10:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Just a little side track, I know I haven't updated in a while.

Here's what 500 RWHP looks like:




Is that a factory supercharger?...know of anyone installing that type in a Fiero?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #296, 04-10-2010 10:51 AM
      Not a factory item.

It's a Vortech charger. He bought it as a whole kit from A&A, comes with everything needed and pretty much bolts on and needs to be tuned obviously. Amazing results for a bolt on kit.

I don't think it would fit a fiero though, at least not the plumbing that comes with the kit. The charger *may* fit in the engine bay though. Comes with upgraded fuel system as well, intercooler, etc. The kit runs around $5500. While he was at it he had the clutch upgraded, bought a pfadt diff brace, and had breathless performance headers/x pipe installed. 503 rwp. I can post the dyno if you'd like, the damn hp curve never stops climbing.

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #297, 04-10-2010 11:00 AM
      It looks like a more compact/liteweight unit than the roots type.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #298, 04-10-2010 03:42 PM
      I would say that it is lighter and more compact. No need to buy a new hood or modify it for increased height

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #299, 04-10-2010 09:07 PM
      Just purchased aluminum cradle bushings.

Should have them pretty soon

I can't wait to get this suspension together!!!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #300, 04-26-2010 11:07 PM
      Aluminum cradle bushings just came in... *I think* this is the last of the parts! Sometimes I just get carried away. I buy one upgrade, and then think, "while I'm at it, I might as well do this too..." and then it snow balls.





I'll be home in 4 days! Then the work begins!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #301, 05-01-2010 08:23 PM
      Put the new rims on today! I'll let the pictures speak for themselves!













I also put some two piece rotors on my father's vette! They look great, but one of them squeels. Not so happy about that right now.







Wheels have to come off again tomorrow on both cars. Hopefully a productive day!



kyunderdawg MSG #302, 05-02-2010 08:35 PM
      Lookin' great!! They turned out really good.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #303, 05-03-2010 12:42 PM
      Thanks, more to come soon! The front suspension is currently in pieces.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #304, 05-03-2010 05:45 PM
      So the front suspension is under way. What a pain.



A bolt or two... or four, always have to break. All of the center bushing bolts for the sway bar snapped off in the frame. Awesome.

Front lower control arm front bolts are stuck. Going to have to cut those. I'm frustrated.

So here's the list of whats being done to the front.

Inner tie rods
Outer tie rods
Upper and Lower Ball Joints.
Addco front sway bar
Poly Bushings

Here's whats already been done

Eibach lowering springs cut one half coil
11.25" brake swap

Wish me luck with getting this stuff apart!

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Newbfiero (bobby_0958@hotmail.com) MSG #305, 05-03-2010 09:39 PM
      Love what you did whit the wheels and the whole fiero of yours for that matter Hope the parts goes easier for you to put them back in

Rob

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Fiero_Adam MSG #306, 05-04-2010 12:09 AM
      Nice job. The wheels look great.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #307, 05-04-2010 07:45 PM
      Thanks for the compliments guys. I won the war on the lower control arms today. Lost against the broken off bolts in the frame for the front sway bar. This crap never gets easier. Try again tomorrow.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #308, 05-05-2010 07:26 PM
     

Lower control arm out, and in the process of replacing the parts. Tomorrow I will press the new bushings in, and get the old ones out, same with the lower ball joints.



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #309, 05-05-2010 08:19 PM
      The wheels rock. The car looks tough in a "no frills" kind of way. I think that's why it's one of my favorites.

Good luck with the front suspension. Mine took some serious patience, but it will work out.

BTW,
The Vette brake squeal may be because of the anti-rust coating they put on two-piece rotors. My Wilwood discs squealed like crazy until I wore off the anti-rust coat.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #310, 05-05-2010 09:04 PM
      Thanks for the compliments Clay, I'm sure you enjoy your wheels as well. They look great on fieros!

The suspension is testing my patience. Just a lot of stuff thats stuck or broken off that gets on my nerves.

As for the vette brakes, the rotor was contacting the stock caliper bracket. I had to space the baer bracket inward so that the rotor had proper clearance. It was strange it was only necessary on the passenger side and not the driver side as well.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #311, 05-06-2010 08:21 PM
      More progress today.

Got the rubber bushings burnt/drilled out. Installed the new poly in the upper arms. Also installed the ball joints in the upper arms and used my new upper control arm bolts to install the upper arms.



At least something went back in without a fight.

Also painted up the rotor "hats" so that they will match the black wheels.



Tomorrow maybe I'll paint the springs silver to match my rear coil over springs, as well as get the lower ball joints pressed in. Get the poly in the lower arms too and pick up the new hardware for the arms. I thought they would come in today, but no such luck. Until tomorrow...


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #312, 05-06-2010 10:44 PM
      Big job. Broken bolts not very fun.

AkursedX (akursedx@aol.com) MSG #313, 05-09-2010 10:49 PM
      Nice work man! I love the Enkei wheels. I like the red and black theme too. You will love the handling difference after the new suspension bits. The aluminum cradle bushings will really help firm up the rear-end.



unboundmo (unboundmo@aol.com) MSG #314, 05-10-2010 03:56 AM
      nice shot



Slowly but surely... IT'S WORTH IT. I PROMISE



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #315, 05-10-2010 09:08 PM
      Thanks for the encouragement everyone.

Today I got most of the front suspension back together. Painted the springs silver to match the new rear ones. Got the lower control arms in with the new ball joints and poly. Only thing left to do on the front is get the sway bar in. I think I'll leave that for a local shop to do. The bolts are being impossible and at this point I'd rather let someone else deal with it. I'll get some pictures tomorrow of the whole thing.

Tomorrow the rear disassembly begins. I'm praying for better luck than the front! Especially with those cradle bushings.


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #316, 05-10-2010 09:21 PM
      On my Fiero, the rear suspension went a lot easier than the front. Actually, it took about half the time. Hopefully, yours will be the same.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #317, 05-11-2010 11:57 PM
      Thanks Blacktree. I just started to take some of the rear apart today and so far so good. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

This is how the front tuned out:



Minus the front sway bar of course.

Also was able to snap a better shot of the home made front mount battery box I made a couple years ago:



And lastly, the new challenge:



It will be getting the same poly treatment as the front, DIY coil overs, aluminum cradle bushings, new inner/outter tie rods, new lower ball joints, and fierostore sway bar. Wish me luck!


Tony Kania MSG #318, 05-12-2010 11:03 AM
      Yeah DoubleC4, the results will be totally worth it. It really will solidify the driving experience, and suprise a few folks on the twisties as you leave them staring at your tailights.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #319, 05-13-2010 07:22 PM
      Thanks Tony, I took some more parts off today and I wonder how this thing ever drove straight. My rear inner tie rods were worn to sh*t. The new ones from Rodney are much, much better.

So here's what I got done today,

removed the rear inner/outer tie rods and replaced them
got the springs seperated from the struts
got the lower control arm off that was seized up. Replaced the lower ball joints, and got the new poly in.
removed the A/C compressor and replaced it with the ZZP A/C delete pulley







I did also find two suprises I wasn't expecting. First, my exhaust on the rear bank has more than a hole in it. The pipe is actually broken right off. That would explain my loud exhaust. Second, my sleeves don't fit over the strut body for the coil overs. I'm pretty pissed off about both of these things but I'll figure something out. This thing is definitely a money pit.

Tomorrow I want to get my side scoops on while everything is out of the way, and get the aluminum cradle bushings in. Good luck wishes are in order again



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #320, 05-14-2010 10:46 PM
      Another fun filled fiero day.

Got the aluminum cradle bushings installed as I hoped. It was a ton of fun (sarcasm). I'm tired of working on the ground all of the time. I really wish I had a hoist.
The front bushings didnt want to give up the ghost. They fought right until the end but eventually came out. Then of course lining the cradle back up was fun. Didn't just swing back into place as I had hoped. I had to pry it forward to get it to line up.

Then came the rear bushings. They came out a lot easier, but didn't go back in quite as easy. Again, lining things up was a b*tch. I was laying on the ground kicking the cradle with two feet at once trying to get it to move over so the holes would line up for the bolts. Eventually got them after abusing the fiero. Not cool.

Here they are



These things better make a huge difference for all of that trouble.

Also managed to put the coil overs together. I had to take them to the machine shop to get the sleeves bored out because they wouldn't fit over the strut body. But alas, they are together and ready to bolt back in the car.





QA1 12" 350# springs
5" sleeves
HELD upper spring locater
KYB struts

Despite the productive day, there was, of course, a minor set back. My dog bone mount broke. Its still hanging on by one side, but the other side needs a weld now. *sigh*

Tomorrow I'm putting everything back together and hopefully getting around to the scoops as well.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #321, 05-15-2010 10:41 AM
      The handling will be tighter with less slosh. What front spring rate are you using?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #322, 05-15-2010 11:20 AM
      I'm using Eibach's in the front with half a coil cut.

We'll see what the ride is like


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #323, 05-15-2010 04:12 PM
      Got the side scoops on today.



Looks like my car was previously silver:



Before I can put my suspension back together I have to get one of the axle boots fixed. It has a tear in it. I guess I could reassemble the one side today...

Also, I forgot to mention that if anyone is going to be installing side scoops, invest in heavy duty zip ties and use those. Way better than screwing around with plastic rivets and that junk. Sounds like a ghetto way to do it, but I guarentee my zip ties are way sturdier and simpler than crappy plastic rivets.

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Tony Kania MSG #324, 05-15-2010 10:41 PM
      I have the same Eibach springs as you in the front. I have contemplated a cut. Albiet a slight one. Interesting to hear how it works out for you?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #325, 05-16-2010 07:41 PM
      I'll let you know how it works out real soon.

Today I got some of the suspension back together. The coil overs fit like a glove and should give me more room for wider tires down the road:



Also started to line up the rear sway bar so I can drill the holes:



Tomorrow I have to get an axle boot fixed and I can get the other side together and take it in for an alignment. Should be the last day the car looks like this for a while (fingers crossed):





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #326, 05-17-2010 08:26 PM
      Axle boot fixed, transmission fluid topped up, sway bar bolted up, wheels back on, all systems go

New side scoops see the light of day:





I also think I'm happy with the ride height I set the coil overs at. Took me two tries, first try it was sitting too high. Let me know what you think!

Alignment tomorrow! Paint in the next couple days!


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #327, 05-17-2010 09:11 PM
      on the coils!
Stance looks great.


Tony Kania MSG #328, 05-18-2010 01:28 AM
      PFF's most photogenic Fiero.

Carcenomy MSG #329, 05-18-2010 06:22 AM
      Maybe just a teeeeeeny smidgeon lower on the coilovers...? Only need quarter of an inch tops if anything

Looks fantastic, how's the car handle with the swaybar etc installed?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #330, 05-18-2010 08:51 AM
      Thanks guys

and Tony, thats a pretty bold statement! Lots of nice, photogenic fieros on here including your own!

Carcenomy, I might take it down another half inch if the springs don't settle and make up for it, but thats kind of what I'm counting on. So we'll see!

I just dropped the car off at the shop for the alignment and to weld up the crack in my exhaust, as well as get those pesky front sway bar bolts out so that I can mount the new bar and finally test drive it! Keep our fingers crossed the final bill is kind to me.


Tony Kania MSG #331, 05-18-2010 01:53 PM
      I know that you are a driver. With all of the suspension work, and having other mechanics handle several very important nuts and bolts on your car, do a thorough inspection of her before pushing the limits of the new equiptment. I really have had things not tightened/fastened upon delivery of my vehicle, after another has worked on it. And, it has alwys been something that I paid too much for.

I have also not put Loc-Tite on my sway bar attachments @ the cradle. After several hundred miles, I could see one side not quite holding on as intended. Also operater error. Me being the operater.

I can't attest to the coilover springs, but the Eibachs will settle some. Mine took in the neighborhood of 1,000 miles before seating in. You can feel it as they give. The ride will seem abnormally harsh in the front, but as you lean on them, they will loosen up and feel very secure in the twisties. In fact, on my 87, I am running poly cradle mounts, and can totally tell when the front is getting much better response than the rear. I can easily out drive the rear of my car. The front has yet to find it's limit. Looks like I will be ordering some aluminum cradle mounts. I hear that that is a good way to stiffen up the rear. We shall see.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #332, 05-19-2010 12:20 PM
      Thanks Tony,

I'll give it a good thorough check before I drive it. I still have to put the front bar on, and the front chin spoiler back on. I should be getting the car back in the next half hour or so! They were able to fix up my exhaust and everything

I can't wait to get it back! I'm going to put everything back on and then wash it. Might even see a car show tonight!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #333, 05-19-2010 08:00 PM
      Finally got to drive the car today and take it to a local show.

First impressions of the ride quality and difference: Awesome.

Much more responsive and exact now. Car tracks straight and is stable and flat through the turns. Even though I went with the larger bar in the front I can still kick the rear end out predictibly and control it with throttle.

The rear spring rate seems fine. Firmer than the Eibach's but drivable and not too harsh.

Steering is pretty light and not too heavy.

Overall, way better than stock, and leaps and bounds ahead of the worn out crap I had on there. Can't wait to drive it again tomorrow. I get the side scoops painted next Monday!


Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #334, 05-19-2010 11:00 PM
      I'm generally not a big fan of quarterpanel scoops, but on your car they look like they belong there. Very cool.

Nice wheels (and brakes, and suspension), too.


Dougie Murder MSG #335, 05-20-2010 06:11 PM
      Sick!! Nice work Chris!
Good to see it all worked out.

Those scoops are rad. Where are you getting it painted? Im keeping my eye out for a place that knows what they're doing and is'nt too much $$.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #336, 05-20-2010 06:50 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys.

Dougie, I'm getting the scoops painted at Champion Motors, its east end of Toronto area. I'm getting them done on Monday. He's giving me a bit of a deal because my father had his Corvette worked over there.

So I just wanted to go over a few things that were done to the car as well that I don't think I mentioned:

Dog bone mount rewelded after I had cracked it.

Exhaust rewelded and now properly supported with hangers:



Front wheels rebalanced.

"Winglets" added to front chin spoiler... I don't know if I'm going to keep them yet.





Can't wait to get those side scoops painted! They stick out like a sore thumb in white


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #337, 05-21-2010 12:35 AM
      Ask them how much to paint an Indy in white with all the panels off and prep work done by me or all work done by them.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #338, 05-21-2010 10:00 AM
      No problem,

I can ask them!


JPH87 (jphofeldt@msn.com) MSG #339, 05-21-2010 07:39 PM
      Very nice

skuzzbomer MSG #340, 05-21-2010 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


"Winglets" added to front chin spoiler... I don't know if I'm going to keep them yet.




For some reason, I know I've seen this image of your car before; with the scoops installed . However, I also know that isn't really possible.

If my (possibly hallucinogenic) memory serves, they'll look great once you get them painted...

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #341, 05-22-2010 02:07 PM
      Thanks guys,

and skuzz, maybe you feel like you've seen it because I took a very very similar picture that I think is on a previous page in this thread. My car was parked approximately in the same spot, and I took the picture at the same angle too. Might be why!


Tinkrr MSG #342, 05-22-2010 02:11 PM
      Got any pictures of the finished front sway bar that gave you so much grief ?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #343, 05-22-2010 10:09 PM
      Sure, I could try and get some pictures. A little tough while the car is on the ground and everything, but its possible!

Might even take a short video of the car tomorrow


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #344, 05-23-2010 06:42 PM
      just gotta get them scoops painted now, Looking good man. Hey also do you still need that steering shock?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #345, 05-24-2010 09:11 AM
      Thanks for the offer, I forgot about the steering shock! I think I'll pass on it at this time. Mine seemed to still be in decent working order and my home made battery box requires me to remove it if I want to remove the steering damper. I kind of don't feel like taking anything apart on the car again for a while. Thanks though!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #346, 05-24-2010 09:48 PM
      Car just went into the paint shop today. Should have it back by the end of the week with the scoops painted and a couple stone chips touched up. I can't wait for it all to be the same colour again. Should look sharp. Until then, I obviously can't get any pictures of anything else. Lets keep our fingers crossed for no over spray! (pet peeve of mine)



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #347, 05-25-2010 04:15 PM
      Ordered some LED bars from ebay. Got them for real cheap. I'm going to try and fit them under the stock turn signals and see how it goes. If they don't work, no big deal, just a couple bucks. I might wire them so that they are always on, kind of like day time running lights, seeing as how our cars don't have those.



Counting down the days until the paint is done on the scoops!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #348, 05-26-2010 11:14 AM
      This is the look I hope to achieve from the LED lights



mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #349, 05-26-2010 12:27 PM
      Looking good, but there's one thing missing. Where's the Choptop?

carbon MSG #350, 05-26-2010 12:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Looking good, but there's one thing missing. Where's the Choptop?


Not EVERYTHING has to be chopped... sigh...


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #351, 05-26-2010 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:


Not EVERYTHING has to be chopped... sigh...


Hey now, calm yourself. I don't think everything needs to be chopped either, some Fiero's would look good with it and some wouldn't. I just thought that it would look good with doublec4's Fiero because of its stance and lowered look. I don't want one myself because I barely have headroom with a sunroof as it is.
I was also kind of kidding, because I'm pretty sure he doesn't want one.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #352, 05-26-2010 02:57 PM
      It might look good with my car. I've never seen a chopped notchie with a whale tail. However, I don't think it will ever be chopped. I enjoy my headroom as it is and I'd rather put the thousands of dollars into more performance oriented modifications rather than a choptop Just personal preference.

skuzzbomer MSG #353, 05-26-2010 05:53 PM
      Would you even be able to see out the back with a chop and a whaletail ?

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #354, 05-26-2010 10:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

Would you even be able to see out the back with a chop and a whaletail ?


Good point, I don't think you could see too much out the back window with a choptop and whaletail.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #355, 05-26-2010 11:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

Would you even be able to see out the back with a chop and a whaletail ?


I doubt it. I lost half of my rear view with the IMSA wing. Not a big deal though, I can still see.


skuzzbomer MSG #356, 05-27-2010 02:10 AM
      Maybe we can get someone with a chop to try it out and get a pic...? I doubt you'd be able to see anything. (spoiler is 3" high, maybe... Drop roof 3" down... That gives you an inch or three)

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #357, 05-27-2010 11:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:

Maybe we can get someone with a chop to try it out and get a pic...? I doubt you'd be able to see anything. (spoiler is 3" high, maybe... Drop roof 3" down... That gives you an inch or three)



Speaking as a choptop owner.

choptop + whaletail = No hehehehe Your rear view mirror might as well be deleted ?? i am guessing you could always use cameras ?

Doesn't matter as he is not going that direction, sooooo back to the build. Car looks great BTW !

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #358, 05-27-2010 05:07 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys! Heading out in about an hour to pick up my car!

Also bringing home the painted lenses for my dad's C5R headlights

If its still daylight out, I'll take some pictures!


skuzzbomer MSG #359, 05-27-2010 11:06 PM
      Well? I want to see if it looks as good with those scoops as I had visualized previously.

Awaiting updates


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #360, 05-27-2010 11:11 PM
      Pictures will have to wait until tomorrow.

Instead of rushing home I decided to take the car for a long drive down the lakeshore. It got lots of looks and I'm happy with how it turned out!

I'll post pictures tomorrow, I promise! (After washing it)


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #361, 05-28-2010 12:28 PM
      I'm kind of in a rush right now, but I managed to snap a picture!



I'll have to take some more this weekend in a different setting!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #362, 06-01-2010 08:14 PM
      Found a different setting for the pictures, and I wanted some proof that I was driving around on "Drive Your Pontiac Day"









I really want to get some videos and I still need to snap some pictures of the sway bar for those who requested it on the previous page. I can't wait to get the LED lights in the mail, and I also have some nice red MSD spark plug wires that need to go on... needs an oil change too!


skuzzbomer MSG #363, 06-01-2010 10:04 PM
      ... Looks great man

I had my Fiero out today, as well. Doesn't look nearly as good as yours, though, I do love the drive.


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #364, 06-01-2010 10:27 PM
      How did the paint job turn out?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #365, 06-01-2010 10:44 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys.

Quad,

the paint job turned out pretty good. No complaints really. Paint matches nice as you can see in the pictures, no runs or anything either. Overspray only a little in the wheel wells but no where else.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #366, 06-03-2010 09:13 PM
      So today is my birthday. I scored the steering wheel I posted a few pages back!

It's leather and suede, looks great!



I picked up the short hub a few months back so the steering wheel will be moved away from me again. It's also flat bottomed so that theres more room for my legs.

I installed most of it today, but the horn button will not fit properly. Tomorrow I will come up with my own button for it.



Out with the old and in with the new! I'll post finished pictures tomorrow!

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Vendetta (atrizzino@gmail.com) MSG #367, 06-05-2010 03:35 AM
      Just wanted to drop by and tell you that i like what you have done. I do not normally care for notchies but yours is tastefully done. Props man.

Austin

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #368, 06-05-2010 07:16 PM
      Thanks for the comments Vendetta, I remember what your car looks like too and its slick!

I want to post the picture of my steering wheel installed, but photobucket is giving me a hard time.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #369, 06-05-2010 08:47 PM
      Photobucket is working again



New steering wheel looks right at home in there! I love it!


Felix The Cat (mikefelix18@hotmail.com) MSG #370, 06-06-2010 11:04 AM
      Chris car is looking great, lovin the scoops.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #371, 06-07-2010 05:36 PM
      Thanks!

If anybody is looking for a steering wheel, I posted up my old one in the mall! Take a look!

My LED lights came in the mail today... I think two of the LEDs don't work... hmm


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #372, 06-07-2010 09:08 PM
      It's confirmed, one of the LEDs doesn't work



Looks like my car is missing a tooth hah

Also one looks like a nice blue, and the other a dull white



Time to ask for my money back or something


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #373, 06-11-2010 12:15 PM
      Went out to play with some of the Corvette guys last night downtown. Good time overall and some wild rides. Very, very LOUD. The Fiero was shown some respect too





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #374, 06-15-2010 09:59 PM
      Took a trip out today to see some waterfalls and came across a nice picture opportunity!







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IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #375, 06-16-2010 07:53 AM
      congrats man car came out great!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #376, 06-16-2010 11:35 PM
      Thanks! Hopefully the new LED lights come in soon and I can finalize some mods on this thing!

Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #377, 06-16-2010 11:45 PM
      I didn't see if you have explained this previously, but where did you get the fins running along the bottom of the rear fascia? Are they from another model or did you custom make them? Car looks Great!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #378, 06-17-2010 10:07 AM
      Hey Westy, those fins are fake shark fin antennas mounted at the bottom of the bumper. I got them from Canadian Tire, a local auto parts store for a couple bucks each. At some point, a real diffuser will be mounted down there, but for now those just fill some empty space. Thanks for the comments

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Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #379, 06-17-2010 02:53 PM
      That's exactly what I thought they looked like. It's an easy, inexpensive mod that actually looks decent.. Typically it is those random mods that look awkward and out of place, but nicely done. Beats the $300 corvette diffuser I checked into. Keep up the good work. One of the better nochies on here.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #380, 06-17-2010 04:50 PM
      Thanks Westy, it cost a total of 20 bucks or so and yeah it looks alright for now! Can you send me a link to the Corvette diffuser you were looking at?

Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #381, 06-18-2010 09:49 AM
      Surely, I'm at work at the moment so I'll have to check my favorites when I get home. If I recall correctly, it's not really special. It's basically a piece of steel the runs the width of the car with the fins concept. Probably wouldn't be to hard to make something like it for someone who has the tools/materials.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #382, 06-18-2010 04:22 PM
      Thanks Westy.

Here are a couple pictures from a car show last night. I've been finally able to take the car out to a lot of shows and enjoy it! People had a lot of questions and nice things to say!





Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #383, 06-18-2010 07:36 PM
      Well I could find the link of the real "high quality" diffuser I once saw. This one is a little more "homemade" but still doesn't look terrible IMO. I might look a little awkward with a stock aero bumper beings the exhaust cut-outs are open. I plan to add a little extention to the rear fascia to enclose the tips, and to match the nose spoiler I'm making. I personally like it just in the middle of the car instead of the entire width, personal preference I guess. Keep up your good work.

Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item518690c63d

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #384, 06-20-2010 10:55 AM
      Those corvette diffusers look too flat. I'd like to go from the back cross member of the subframe, up to the lower edge of the license plate mounting area. That requires a bit of a curve. I looked at some other "universal diffusers" but they are also pretty expensive and being shipped from japan. I'd rather buy something being sold in north america.



Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #385, 06-20-2010 01:06 PM
      I agree. I think it more that I want to find something that works so I'm more apt to like just about anything. It's hard to find a "universal" anything that is going to work and look normal. No sense in dropping a few hundred on something that is just going to look stupid. I suppose I'll just have to keep searching for a decent alternative. Depressing.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #386, 06-20-2010 08:54 PM
      If funds are right, I *might* try this one at some point (or something like it):





Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #387, 06-22-2010 01:47 PM
      How does that guy work? Having a little trouble wrapping my head around how that goes on? I got on the site and tried to find it, but didn't have a clue where to look. Have you seen it on a car or installed?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #388, 06-22-2010 01:50 PM
      If you go on google image and type in universal rear diffuser you might find some pictures of similar ones.

Check this one out



Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #389, 06-22-2010 02:15 PM
      Aaaahhhhhh! Got it. Makes sense, I guess I just couldn't picture it in my head for the life of me.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #390, 06-23-2010 04:30 PM
      No problem, I think one of these would look bad ass on the fiero. We'll see...

Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #391, 06-24-2010 12:16 AM
      Well I saw your post somewhere about the aerokits.com bumper. That is basically what I want my rear end to look like, and it's at a real good price. I'm not sure if I have the skills to make it work just yet. Somewhat similar to fourpoint9's notchie rear, to a point.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #392, 06-24-2010 11:16 AM
      The bumper I posted in another thread would require a lot of cutting and fitting but I wouldn't put it past a lot of people on the forum to make it work. For a long time now, I've been looking for more of a "bolt on" piece for the fiero aero rear bumper.

Westy (westy87@hotmail.com) MSG #393, 06-24-2010 07:44 PM
      Ya, same here. I don't have the ability to chop it up and graft it together without something going wrong.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #394, 06-26-2010 08:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


That looks like something a Georgia boy would do. LOL
I am talking to whodeanie about making a proper rear diffuser mod for the aero bumpers. One thats's simple, easy to add, and elegant.
He's game so far... Just need a couple more people to share the intitial mold costs.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #395, 06-26-2010 08:33 PM
      Got the LED fog lights installed today. They come on with the parking lights.

I started a thread a while back about tapping into a 12V source thats hot with the parking lights. I found an easy and convenient one inside the front compartment.

Theres a light inside the front compartment (sort of like a trunk light) that comes on only when the front hood is popped AND the parking lights are on. If the parking lights are off, and the front compartment is open it still doesn't come on. Perfect! I cut that useless light off and ran the LED fog light wires to it. Now the only problem was that when the hood is closed, the LED lights won't work. Easy problem to solve. The little button near the hood latch controls that. Just grab your wrench and unthread the button. Then grab a small piece of wire and bypass the button by connecting the two wires. Wrap it up in electrical tape. Now the fog lights work with the hood shut.

I'll have to take a few pictures when it gets darker. You can see them in the daylight too, but it will look better at night anyways.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #396, 06-26-2010 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


That looks like something a Georgia boy would do. LOL
I am talking to whodeanie about making a proper rear diffuser mod for the aero bumpers. One thats's simple, easy to add, and elegant.
He's game so far... Just need a couple more people to share the intitial mold costs.


pm sent ClayTonto


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #397, 06-27-2010 03:33 PM
      I managed to snap some pictures of the new LED "fog lights" (more like accent lighting)





It looks great at night with the HID lights. I wanted to get some pictures last night but it was raining. Maybe tonight, but it looks like more rain in the forecast. I also took a couple pictures of the exterior with the side scoops and interior with the new steering wheel. I haven't really taken many pictures of the interior lately!





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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #398, 06-27-2010 03:40 PM
      I forgot, one more thing to add.

Since one of the LED fog light things I got in the mail didnt work, the ebay seller sent me a replacement pair. Well, I had one spare light... hmmm what to use it for?

Third brake light!

Mine has been burnt out for I don't know how long. I figured why not make a LED third brake light. Turned out that it was really easy and took all of maybe 15 minutes.

First thing you need to do is remove the third brake light and gather all of your parts:



Then, try and fit the LED light inside the stock housing. You may need to grind down some of the LED housing:



Then come up with a mounting solution (I used the supplied brackets and a little double sided tape:



Snap the lens back over top and test out your light:



I'll have to get night pictures of it and see how bright it is. At least this light won't melt the housing like the original bulbs did.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #399, 06-28-2010 10:13 PM
      Just wanted to show off my buddy's 85 Supra a bit. Hit the gym today with him and he brought it along. Perfect picture opportunity!





We're taking it back to the 80s!


kk86 2m6 MSG #400, 07-14-2010 02:27 AM
      awesome car man. i need to start doing stuff to mine. i love the black interior. how much were those enkei rims? i want em!

kk86 2m6 MSG #401, 07-15-2010 02:29 AM
      do you have any idea how much you spent on the 3800sc and manual trans swap?
id really like to do the same thing because i also have a 3 spd auto and would much rather have a manual. the black interior looks really good im seriously considering tearing mine apart to do that.


ConvictedRedneck (backwoodsfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #402, 07-15-2010 09:56 AM
      First I really went through your build thread, looks great! I was actually looking at getting that exact steering wheel, how do you like it? Do you have a link to the hub adapter you used? Also lovin' the sparcos!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #403, 07-17-2010 12:27 AM
      Thanks for the compliments guys

kk86 2m6, I'll send you a pm to answer your questions about $$ spent.

ConvictedRedneck, I love the steering wheel. The suede feels great, much more grip on the wheel. The flat bottom gives my legs a bit of extra room which is always nice. I used the NRG short hub as well.

http://www.raceinspired.com...short-hub-dodge.aspx

Thats the link to one. The dodge hub works on the fiero. Take a look around ebay or local buy and sells, you could luck out like I did. I got mine for 50 bucks rather than 100. One thing to note is that this hub is so short that when installing my NRG steering wheel, the horn button was contacting the splined steering shaft. I had to take apart the horn button and come up with my own creative solution.

... and I also love the sparco seats I don't have to use my knee up against the door anymore through the turns

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #404, 07-17-2010 10:58 PM
      I started to repaint the calipers today, and the wheel wells. Also drew up a design for a little addition to the calipers.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #405, 07-22-2010 03:31 PM
      Finished off the calipers today, removed the stickers from them too. Cleaned off the inside of the rims.



I also painted all of the inner fender liners, looks pretty new again.

Removed the front "winglets" from the front bumper. They were okay for a while, but I don't like them anymore. Instead, I bought some splash guards and actually placed them in front of the the front wheels. I'm running 225 series tires up front with a 38mm offset rim so they stick out a bit. I've seen these "reverse mudflaps" on some other sports cars. I figured I'd give it a shot, they look pretty good and shield the edge of the tire from air that would create drag on them. Basically they just look cool.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #406, 07-23-2010 01:50 AM
      Took the car out tonight for some fun... I don't know if I'm imagining things, but after installing those "reverse mudflaps" I've noticed a significant decrease in front end vibration at speeds above 100km/h. Maybe they're actually helping a bit?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #407, 07-29-2010 08:00 PM
     



This might be the last update for a little while because I'm running out of things to do to the car for the time being.

I need some feedback and ideas!

The list of things that will be worked on are as follows:

Rear Diffuser
LED tail lights
Brake caliper "addition"
Ported blower / Ported LIM / bigger throttle body / redo part of the exhaust

Maybe I'll make a new video to post as well..


Isolde MSG #408, 07-29-2010 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Took the car out tonight for some fun... I don't know if I'm imagining things, but after installing those "reverse mudflaps" I've noticed a significant decrease in front end vibration at speeds above 100km/h. Maybe they're actually helping a bit?


Your reverse mudflaps being in front of the front tires? If so, what you've done is not too far removed from a very old NASCAR trick called a "Gurney lip", and it was done to increase front downforce.
I suggest you research this, then mold the flaps if necessary, try to actually end up with real Gurney lips, not just vaguely similar results.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #409, 07-30-2010 10:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Isolde:


Your reverse mudflaps being in front of the front tires? If so, what you've done is not too far removed from a very old NASCAR trick called a "Gurney lip", and it was done to increase front downforce.
I suggest you research this, then mold the flaps if necessary, try to actually end up with real Gurney lips, not just vaguely similar results.



Come to think of it, I have heard of gurney lips before. I know I've seen and looked into gurney flaps (at the back edge of a spoiler).

I would like to have something shaped for the front bumper, but I would first need to learn some fiberglass skills. I've never 'glassed before. I might try something similar for the rear wheels as well. Thanks Isolde


Isolde MSG #410, 07-30-2010 11:54 AM
      glad to. I hope you find some further success with the lips. I'll be watching.

Isolde MSG #411, 07-30-2010 12:03 PM
      I had a thought. Why would it have to be fiberglasss? Why couldn't we create a radius, if necessary, using A-B epoxy?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #412, 07-30-2010 02:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Isolde:

I had a thought. Why would it have to be fiberglasss? Why couldn't we create a radius, if necessary, using A-B epoxy?


Are you referring to just a regular two part epoxy?


Isolde MSG #413, 07-30-2010 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


Are you referring to just a regular two part epoxy?


Yeah. So not a good idea, huh? Oh well. I had no idea that Gurney lips could be felt at just 62 mph, or I would have tried them years ago.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #414, 07-31-2010 10:24 AM
      Not sure if a two part epoxy would work... but I know they sell a fiberglass "paste" that could be easier to work with. It has the fiberglass strands already mixed in.

I feel the difference with the gurney flaps above 60mph... probably closer to 75 mph where before I would get a strange vibration in the front end. This probably also has to do with my tires protruding outside of the front bumper. If you had wheels with a greater offset or thinner tires, you might not need the flaps because the leading edge of the tire is already covered.

Either way, you could give it a try with some universal mud flaps. Cost me 15 bucks. If it looked goofy or didn't work, I wouldn't be out that much money, and I could always just use the mudflaps for what they were intended for on another car.



Isolde MSG #415, 07-31-2010 01:01 PM
      I don't know about Canada, but in my state, there's speed limits as high as 80 mph, so of course everyone does 85 mph. I tried it when I first got my stock '84 Fiero, and the nose went light above 70. By '85, it was spooky. I haven't driven it above 70 mph since then, but I have started on an airdam, and a hood vent.
I think the Gurney lips were supposed to help even when the front tires didn't protrude. I'm not finding very many pics, and none of them are helpful so far.
If you find more details on that fiberglass paste, I'd be very interested. Thanks.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #416, 08-01-2010 09:15 PM
      Speed limit around here is 60mph...but everyone does around 70 - 75 mph... where I find the difference is made. Check out another member's thread about 3/4 of the way down this page.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/077670-5.html

You can see the fiberglass paste he's using.


Isolde MSG #417, 08-03-2010 05:06 PM
      Thank you!

Dougie Murder MSG #418, 08-04-2010 07:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I need some feedback and ideas!



I think you should come get that extra hood i have and cut an extractor scoop in it!! Or, I could bring it to you if you have any extra parts i need and wanna do a trade....

MSN me if your interested.

Also, have you thought about doing something to your license plate?
I got the hide away plate holder from davies corvettes (corvetteparts.com), Its pretty awesome...kinda pricey i guess tho.
http://www.corvetteparts.co...tails/gid/003636.htm


EDIT: i just realized your car might be too low for that plate holder....

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #419, 08-04-2010 09:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dougie Murder:


I think you should come get that extra hood i have and cut an extractor scoop in it!! Or, I could bring it to you if you have any extra parts i need and wanna do a trade....

MSN me if your interested.

Also, have you thought about doing something to your license plate?
I got the hide away plate holder from davies corvettes (corvetteparts.com), Its pretty awesome...kinda pricey i guess tho.
http://www.corvetteparts.co...tails/gid/003636.htm


EDIT: i just realized your car might be too low for that plate holder....



I'll take the hood off your hands! Thanks!

You can come by anytime you like and take your pick at the stuff I have here.

I thought about the license plate flip thing, but you're right, my car is too low for it.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #420, 08-04-2010 10:03 PM
      Oh and today I replaced my ignition lock cylinder... the key and cylinder decided it no longer wished to turn. 25 bucks and a little time with some tools, I'm good to go again!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #421, 08-08-2010 07:42 PM
      Dougie delivered the hood today... now I just need to decide what kind of extractor I want to go with

I'm leaning towards this:



But might go with something simpler:



Ignore the exact placement of the vents, I know I'll have to work with a specific space with the placement of the radiator and front "trunk wall"

Which one do you guys think?


mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #422, 08-08-2010 09:32 PM
      I like the 2nd one, more simple, 1st one is too busy IMHO.

aaronkoch (cheddarlump@cheddarlump.net) MSG #423, 08-09-2010 11:59 AM
      Just FYI, I think that if you start that far forward, you'll find that the opening is in on top of the radiator, or slightly too far forward. This may not matter for what you're doing, but it will limit the depth of the extractor there..

If you start an inch or two further back you can cut down just behind the radiator.



chrismclubm MSG #424, 08-09-2010 11:54 PM
      doublec4 u should consider putting round fog lights (1 1/2 inch diameter) on the chin you added. I've seen it done and it looks sweet. The only thing is you got to dig /carve into the chin, but totally worth it.



mtownfiero (andrewj592@aol.com) MSG #425, 08-10-2010 02:18 AM
      for functionality your going to want the vents back by the top of the headlight doors. i put mine a little far forward when doing mine, still functional but not as good as they could be.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #426, 08-11-2010 08:27 AM
      Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will be moving the scoops back a bit, the photoshops were just to get a general idea of the type of scoops I'll be doing. I don't think I'll be putting foglights in the front chin spoiler... I don't want the front end to get too busy looking.

I'm going to start cutting the hood either today or tomorrow. The car needs an oil change first!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #427, 08-13-2010 12:40 PM
     

Started marking off the openings and bought some dremel cutting disks for the job.. hopefully they work well!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #428, 08-13-2010 04:09 PM
      Let the cutting begin!





I'm going to need to cut up the bottom structure to fit vents this long and wide in the hood.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #429, 08-14-2010 02:22 PM
      More progress with the hood... got the openings cut all the way through..



Tomorrow I'll start chopping into the bottom structure so I can bend the outer plastic down.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #430, 08-16-2010 06:29 PM
      Bottom is chopped up:



Took out a lot of the support structure... I'll have to reinforce it with some fiberglass.

Now you can see the scoops taking shape better:



JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #431, 08-17-2010 09:58 AM
      It is looking great so far! Keep it up.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #432, 08-22-2010 12:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:

It is looking great so far! Keep it up.


Thanks

The hood project has just been put on hold until next season... however...



A carbon fiber rear diffuser will be the finishing touch for this season

It's from Shine Aero products and its friggin sweet. It weighs pretty much nothing and fits pretty nicely. I may or may not have to trim the rear of it, but we'll see. This will cover up the unsightly exhaust, and extend right to the rear of the subframe. I still need to bolt those "fins" on, they're just sitting there, but I love the business look of this thing. I've been waiting a long time to do this! I think Blacktree is the only other guy who has a tunnel style rear diffuser on his fiero!



IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #433, 08-22-2010 01:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:



A carbon fiber rear diffuser will be the finishing touch for this season

It's from Shine Aero products and its friggin sweet. It weighs pretty much nothing and fits pretty nicely. I may or may not have to trim the rear of it, but we'll see. This will cover up the unsightly exhaust, and extend right to the rear of the subframe. I still need to bolt those "fins" on, they're just sitting there, but I love the business look of this thing. I've been waiting a long time to do this! I think Blacktree is the only other guy who has a tunnel style rear diffuser on his fiero!


Very, Very nice. That is a lot nicer than what I could do for you without a vacuum unit. It looks very nice with the thinner fins.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #434, 08-22-2010 05:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


Very, Very nice. That is a lot nicer than what I could do for you without a vacuum unit. It looks very nice with the thinner fins.


Thanks Adam. I'll take some pictures when I install it (a day or two). I have to figure out how I'm going to mount this thing. Might take a trip over to the home depot racing department lol.


Fiero2m8 MSG #435, 08-23-2010 03:42 PM
      Hood mod is going to look great and yes that's a great winter project...
I'll be watchin the diffuser mod since I can't visualize how it's going to look



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #436, 08-23-2010 08:55 PM
      Got the rear diffuser installed today!

I took some pictures of the installation.. first we have my work bench... the ground.. very comfortable:



Then I bolted up the fins to the diffuser tunnel... pretty easy, just drill some holes:



Next up, I decided that mounting it would be easiest with some flat stock aluminum. Its easy to drill, and light weight. My mounting locations are the rear cradle and the underside of the bumper. Get your measuring tape and measure out some dimensions for where to drill:



Here you can see my mounting points on the rear bumper. Ignore the old two sided tape residue from the old fins. I have to clean it:



Then mount the aluminum flat stock to the diffuser:



Mount up the front side, support the rear, and mark off the mounting points on the rear:



Then I removed everything to drill the mounting points in the rear. I also took some sheet metal and made a heat shield (muffler is close by) / deflector for air so that air doesnt hit the leading edge and go over the diffuser. I also had to trim about 3 inches off the back of the diffuser.



Reinstall and enjoy!







I still need to wash the car (remove the old two sided tape residue) and take some pictures from a distance. It was a rainy day and really dark out, a lot of pictures were turning out like crap.

Hope you guys like it! I do

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IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #437, 08-23-2010 09:06 PM
      Talk about a perfect fit. My biggest concern when we discussed it was the exhaust cutouts interfering with the diffuser. That one fits perfectly and is just the right size. Hell, I may have to buy one for myself

Edit to add....if you are concerned about the heat from the exhaust, you can always buy a few feet of the really thick fiberglass structural material on Ebay and just glue it on. That way no heat will make it through to the diffuser.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #438, 08-23-2010 10:00 PM
      It was pretty close to perfect for the fit. I did have to trim about 3 inches off the rear. I could have left it on, but I didn't want the diffuser to extend too far.. I have a small oil leak from my oil pressure sending unit fitting, I didn't want the oil to puddle on the diffuser. I figured cutting it at the rear cross member of the subframe would be a good location.

Hopefully the sheet metal does a good job of deflecting some of the heat or even absorbing it a bit from the muffler. I don't want this thing to go up in flames! (knock on wood)

I test fitted a few other diffusers before I bought this one, but this seemed to fit the best with the least amount of cutting. If you're looking for one, try googling Shine diffusers.


nitroheadz28 MSG #439, 08-23-2010 10:21 PM
      I don't really like notchies, but this is without a doubt- my favorite one.. You've done an amazing job with the car.

JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #440, 08-24-2010 01:10 PM
      I am very excited for you! The diffuser looks really good on that thing. I love the wrap around spoiler as well, it all flows well IMO. Let us know how the ride is affected now.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #441, 08-24-2010 06:38 PM
      Thanks for the compliments guys

The car is still filthy, but here are a few pictures to get the idea across:






To answer your question, I don't notice any difference in handling or anything at all (as expected). If there is a difference, it would be very minute.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #442, 08-24-2010 11:32 PM
      Hmm, I just thought of another idea for next season... carbon fiber sunroof glass replacement... I'll write it here so I don't forget!

Sourmug MSG #443, 08-25-2010 12:20 AM
      Nice work on your car.

How do you like the IMSA scoops? How's the quality and fitment?

Thanks
Nolan


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #444, 08-25-2010 12:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sourmug:

Nice work on your car.

How do you like the IMSA scoops? How's the quality and fitment?

Thanks
Nolan


Thanks Nolan. IMSA scoops from fierowarehouse are awesome. Great quality, and absolutely no fitment issues. Bolted right up. Not to mention they look great too


Bridgetown MSG #445, 08-25-2010 10:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Hmm, I just thought of another idea for next season... carbon fiber sunroof glass replacement... I'll write it here so I don't forget!


Oh I like this! That is going in my list.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #446, 08-26-2010 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:


Oh I like this! That is going in my list.


Be sure to post some pictures if you attempt it any time soon

I took some pictures after finally washing it today. Hopefully this does the diffuser more justice.











I still have to do something about those exhaust plates.. they're all burnt.


skuzzbomer MSG #447, 08-26-2010 11:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I still have to do something about those exhaust plates.. they're all burnt.




maybe?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #448, 08-30-2010 06:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:




maybe?


I have a wire brush in the garage. I could give it a shot tomorrow.

I'm so sad... the car must be put away for the winter again in the next week. Next year I'll be able to keep it on the road for an extra month or two... I'll be done school.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #449, 08-31-2010 10:18 AM
      Good luck with school man, I am right there with ya. Make sure no critters find a home in your pride and joy.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #450, 08-31-2010 11:21 AM
     

doublec4,

Did you ever consider intergrating the diffuser into the rear bumper ? In other words making some cuts and glassing it in to give it a more factory look ?

It would be a lot of work of course, unless you had one of the fiberglass bumpers from Jimmy S.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #451, 09-01-2010 10:03 AM
      Thanks JesseM. It's stored in my parents garage, haven't had any critter problems yet so it should be fine

exoticse, I've thought about integrating it, but I think it would be a lot of work. I don't have any experience with fiberglass, and the diffuser is carbon fiber so I'm not sure how I could even fuse the two of them. Also, I like the fact that I can remove the diffuser so I can access certain areas for service. If it was one piece, I would have to remove the entire rear bumper. It would probably turn into more of a pain than I want lol.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #452, 09-04-2010 02:45 AM
      Wallpaper anybody?



http://img.photobucket.com/...oublec4/5b35e084.jpg


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #453, 09-04-2010 03:22 PM
      It's that time of the year again...storage time. Washed it, put fuel stabilizer in, removed the battery, and parked it. Took some final shots for the season:









Back to university and collecting parts!

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aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #454, 09-04-2010 04:03 PM
      Sad time.
I have to put my car away in about a month. Going to miss driving it, but will enjoy (for the most part) restoring it from the ground up.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #455, 09-18-2010 01:00 AM
      Definitely sad to put the fiero away for the winter... but it gives me a few months to plan things and collect more parts...

Also... I have a very, very cool project in the works that is related to my engineering program that I will be applying to the fiero. Won't be done for months, but when its finished, it will be really, really cool. Keep an eye out!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #456, 10-23-2010 07:07 PM
      Can't have this thread on the second page!

I'll give a little teaser of what the project involves that should be done by next spring/summer:











doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #457, 12-05-2010 01:00 PM
      Just another little bump...



It's clear what direction this is headed... theres a lot more to it though


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #458, 12-05-2010 03:02 PM
      Oh please oh please don't put on that stupid ricer metal spoiler!!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #459, 12-05-2010 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Quad GT:

Oh please oh please don't put on that stupid ricer metal spoiler!!


Don't worry, the "ricer metal" spoiler won't be going on the car for the street. I will be keeping my IMSA spoiler and decklid for the street.

I'll just spill the beans on the project right now. Myself and a couple other friends are ground up engineering a spoiler and front splitter for my car. It will be purpose built for track events, and there will be a twist to it. We currently have most of the design done (thats an old picture), and will soon be building it. It will be all aluminum and composite (carbon fiber). Unfortunately we cannot wind tunnel test it (don't have the funds) but we have access to numerous CFD programs that we've used to design it. It WILL be functional, only for the track.


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #460, 12-06-2010 09:05 AM
      Whew... I thought you were going to do something evil to that beautiful car... Although it wouldd be sweet to see a formula-esque Fiero. :]

Tinkrr MSG #461, 12-06-2010 11:36 AM
      I would like to see an analysis on the affect of individual components and the combinations thereof:
- the addition front air dam and Flow splitter
- the addition of a diffuser
- the addition of the high rear spoiler
and their impact on air flow through the radiator and through the engine compartment

It seems to me that your design project is focused on creating downforce by utilizing the flow splitter/air dam/diffuser to minimize and control airflow underneath the car and to supplement downforce by placing the high mount spoiler in undisturbed air. All of which may be counter productive to cooling the engine.

Others often install hood extractors, flooor pans, and NACA ducts to induce air flow through the radiator / engine compartments, doing so will alter the flow drawings you have shown so far.

This is good stuff! Make sure you post all of your findings please.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #462, 12-06-2010 10:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tinkrr:

I would like to see an analysis on the affect of individual components and the combinations thereof:
- the addition front air dam and Flow splitter
- the addition of a diffuser
- the addition of the high rear spoiler
and their impact on air flow through the radiator and through the engine compartment

It seems to me that your design project is focused on creating downforce by utilizing the flow splitter/air dam/diffuser to minimize and control airflow underneath the car and to supplement downforce by placing the high mount spoiler in undisturbed air. All of which may be counter productive to cooling the engine.

Others often install hood extractors, flooor pans, and NACA ducts to induce air flow through the radiator / engine compartments, doing so will alter the flow drawings you have shown so far.

This is good stuff! Make sure you post all of your findings please.



I'm putting together a pretty thorough analysis of things, and eventually I will post some flow data up. Problem with some of the things you requested such as rad flow, is that it would require a much more complex model. Eventually I may try it out for fun, but at this point things are kept relatively "simple."

The CFD software was mainly used to get some data out of the airfoil that we selected and then tweaked for our needs, the placement of the wing, as well as the length of the splitter. The diffuser wasn't really analyzed, as well as the rad flow (would require "interior flow"). I do plan on putting a hood vent on my car anyways. The bottom of the splitter may get some NACA vents to draw air up towards the rad too. Once the parts are on the car, if I notice an increase in engine temps, I have a few other ideas in mind to extract heat


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #463, 12-26-2010 06:12 PM
      Not so much an update with the car, but more with the garage:

4 Post lift going in today



Should make working on the cars a lot easier!


IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #464, 12-26-2010 08:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Not so much an update with the car, but more with the garage:

4 Post lift going in today

Should make working on the cars a lot easier!


Lucky bastard


scott0999 (scott099@juno.com) MSG #465, 12-26-2010 09:18 PM
      very nice, keep up the good work

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #466, 12-27-2010 08:38 PM
      Thanks guys, finished up the install today.


Should be a great asset this summer


wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #467, 12-27-2010 10:59 PM
      so , what brand and where did you get the lift from? i have been thinking about a lift like this for a while .looks great !

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #468, 12-28-2010 10:34 AM
      The lift doesn't seem to have a "brand", although the power unit is a monarch. Everything is North American made, and I got it from "The Lift Super Store" here in Oakville. Went together easily, didn't put up a fight. Fit and finish looks nice, and it wasn't overly expensive. If you're interested, pm me and I can tell you the price and give you some contact info.



Tinkrr MSG #469, 12-28-2010 11:28 AM
      Are you going to install the door track kit that routes the door straight upwards with a small return at the top. It enables you to have a car raised on the hoist and still open the door?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #470, 12-28-2010 07:33 PM
      We looked into raising the runners for the garage door, but it was an expense/project that we didn't want to take on just yet. Currently we can fit two sports cars, one on top of the other, with the garage door open. Also, with the garage door open and the fiero in the air, I can comfortably get underneath. I can't stand straight up, but I'm only slightly crouching.

Take a look:



By reversing the car onto the lift, the low nose of the fiero allows clearance for the garage door

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Tinkrr MSG #471, 12-30-2010 09:53 AM
      Cool ! As long as the electric door opener cannot fling the garage door into the windsheild of the car on the lift, it looks like you dont have to do any thing more.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #472, 12-30-2010 02:46 PM
      It shouldn't be able to travel back any farther than that, so fingers crossed it won't smash my windshield! lol

Can't wait to start wrenching on it again! Only a little while longer..


Freshj (freshj_xxx@hotmail.com) MSG #473, 12-31-2010 11:04 AM
      In my opinion, you have, by far, the best looking notchie I've ever seen. Part of that is definately the spoiler. I understand that the aerodynamics could most definitely be improved upon with larger and taller wing, I just hope it doesn't come out too gaudy. I absolutely love the way it looks now!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #474, 01-01-2011 02:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Freshj:

In my opinion, you have, by far, the best looking notchie I've ever seen. Part of that is definately the spoiler. I understand that the aerodynamics could most definitely be improved upon with larger and taller wing, I just hope it doesn't come out too gaudy. I absolutely love the way it looks now!


Thanks, thats a great compliment

The "new" spoiler will probably be gaudy and tall and stand out. However, its only something for the track (functional). It wouldn't be something I'd drive around with on the street. I'm really partial to my IMSA spoiler and wouldn't part with it in a million years! No worries there


Freshj (freshj_xxx@hotmail.com) MSG #475, 01-01-2011 03:42 PM
      That's good to hear. Going to swap decklids for raceday?

I used to have a red notchie like you and it makes me want to go back. I guess the grass is always greener. I think I'm definately ditching the silver trim and going all black. I think that's what I miss the most about the notch back. Silver just seems to clash.



Wish I still had it. I miss my L67 the most. a good running 2.8 is nice and all, but man did that L67 cook!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #476, 01-01-2011 05:02 PM
      Yep, going to do a decklid swap on race days. Also going to have an easily removable splitter for race days as well. As of right now, the car is too low to run a splitter on the streets.

I think you should go for it and paint your GT ground effects black. You don't see too many fastbacks with that combination, it would look sharp!


PF Flyer MSG #477, 01-17-2011 08:31 PM
      I only recently registered but i have been watching your thread for about 6 months, when i got my own fiero, seeing what you have done, starting in high school as am i, is really neat, youve given me so many ideas, kids without bills seem to slip to much money into cars haha, whenever i can, i show a friend your fiero, awesome build cant wait to what you do this coming summer

Mike


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #478, 01-17-2011 11:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PF Flyer:

I only recently registered but i have been watching your thread for about 6 months, when i got my own fiero, seeing what you have done, starting in high school as am i, is really neat, youve given me so many ideas, kids without bills seem to slip to much money into cars haha, whenever i can, i show a friend your fiero, awesome build cant wait to what you do this coming summer

Mike


Thanks! Very flattering compliments, I appreciate it.

If you ever have any questions, let me know!


Celthora87GT (backstrokerj@yahoo.com) MSG #479, 01-24-2011 11:02 PM
      wow.... that took me awhile but i read everything and im amazed. I am going to model my build like yours, slow but steady, and paying a lot of attention to detail. i just got my 87 GT in early December and have only driven it a handful of times. its sad but soon it will be summer and then we can show off our babies.
Thanks
Josh
Great read



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #480, 01-25-2011 03:41 PM
      Thanks Josh, I appreciate the kind words.

This morning I was just thinking about all of the stuff I've done to the car. Going over the list in my head. Took me a while, but like you said, slow and steady!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #481, 01-30-2011 11:26 PM
      Got two of these guys ordered for the project.. Should be completed by april





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #482, 02-11-2011 09:20 PM
     

Getting closer.. might add another picture of the airfoil profiles that were machined.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #483, 02-13-2011 11:34 PM
      More CNC aluminum goodness



JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #484, 02-16-2011 01:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Got two of these guys ordered for the project.. Should be completed by april




I'll admit, I have no idea what those things are lol...


Tony Kania MSG #485, 02-16-2011 01:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:


I'll admit, I have no idea what those things are lol...


I do. If I think I can imagine what C4 is doing, then pretty saweet.

DoubleC4, can you let out any information as to where, and who you purchased those from? I have ideas, and it never occured to me to use those.

Tony


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #486, 02-16-2011 09:01 PM
      Tony, pm sent.

I'll spill the beans a little more after I hear back from you


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #487, 02-16-2011 09:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

We looked into raising the runners for the garage door, but it was an expense/project that we didn't want to take on just yet. Currently we can fit two sports cars, one on top of the other, with the garage door open. Also, with the garage door open and the fiero in the air, I can comfortably get underneath. I can't stand straight up, but I'm only slightly crouching.

Take a look:



By reversing the car onto the lift, the low nose of the fiero allows clearance for the garage door



Sweet! I talked to a dealer at SEMA a couple of years back and was going to get one for my garage. Oh well, things happen. What's the height for the for main legs? 9-feet? The guy told me his would fit if I back the car in so that the nose would clear the door. From viewing your pic-I guess he was right.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #488, 02-16-2011 11:17 PM
      The fit is moderate to snug in an average two car garage, but since you own all those chop tops, it should give you a couple of inches extra clearance height-wise. The price was really reasonable too, and for this particular company all of the components are North American made (supposedly). The main feet are around 8ft tall I think. All the dimensions of the lift can be found here:

http://www.liftsuperstore.c...estomod-xl/index.php

They also carry a slightly more compact version

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #489, 02-16-2011 11:30 PM
      Could you take a side pic with the car on the rack? What your ceiling height?

Thanks in advance.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #490, 02-16-2011 11:39 PM
      I'm out of town right now until Friday. I'll snap a picture for you when I get back home. I currently have the fiero up unnecessarily high so it will look like there is minimal clearance.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #491, 02-17-2011 02:26 PM
      Tony pm'ed me with the right answer, it will be an adjustible wing for the track. Those things I put a picture up of are linear stepper motors. I'll post more as I go along

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #492, 02-18-2011 01:52 AM
      A little more progress today. Some of the mock up:





Its been a fun project so far. Got some other parts in as well.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #493, 02-23-2011 08:39 PM
      CNC'ed foam, carbon fiber, resin, and the front splitter material. It is RIGID.



More to come as usual!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #494, 02-28-2011 09:05 PM
      Carbon Fiber and Fiberglass plate came in for the end plates from APR:



Got started on setting up a jig and bonding the frame together so it is straight before the carbon fiber process.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #495, 03-02-2011 11:58 PM
      Got the other half bonded up... did another little mock up for fun... top layer of CNC foam is on there. Disregard how its flopping around at the trailing edge. Going to need something else to hold it in place while "carbon-fibering"



Been a fun project so far


Tony Kania MSG #496, 03-03-2011 12:22 PM
      http://www.caranddriver.com...c-first_drive_review

So thought of your car when I read this on the pot this morning. Especially the part about the wing/air brake system.

Tony


85silverbullet (preston@btblv.com) MSG #497, 03-03-2011 01:12 PM
      bravo! Looking good

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #498, 03-03-2011 02:48 PM
      Thanks for the compliments guys.

Going to "one up" that wing you posted Tony


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #499, 03-03-2011 11:47 PM
     

Doublec4 that is one good looking wing.

Great job.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #500, 03-04-2011 12:42 AM
      Thanks

It was a nice night for some spray paint:





Would have been nice to have the wing stands anodized, but thats just more $$


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #501, 03-04-2011 07:40 PM
      More progress today. Also have to own the 500th post in this thread

Got a section of the wing wrapped in bristol board for now. Needs to hold its shape for the carbon fiber process. The foam is inside.





Enjoy


Bloozberry MSG #502, 03-04-2011 08:23 PM
      Lookin good there doublec4 (well, the wing is... I'm not so sure about you! ) I have a quick question for you though... is the resin you use basically just a regular polyester resin or is it something special for the carbon fiber?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #503, 03-04-2011 08:50 PM
      I was told to use the West System products.

Using an epoxy resin from them, and a slow hardener. It will be our (myself and a few other guys) first time working with carbon fiber. Sort of an ambitious project to start out with!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #504, 03-06-2011 05:03 PM
      Playing with electronics...



A little bit of progress everyday.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #505, 03-07-2011 07:23 PM
      More progress today. Got the other half of the wing done in bristol board and packing tape. Should be all ready for carbon fiber now







The trailing edge will be further supported during the carbon fiber process so that it is not wavy.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #506, 03-09-2011 02:18 AM
      No slowing down! We have deadlines to meet!

Made another jig for holding the airfoils while we carbon fiber. Also, it is used to hold the trailing edge up nice and straight. No drooping.





Then we broke out the carbon fiber and started cutting up sheets so we'd be ready to put the resin on tomorrow. Using a heavy plain weave for the bottom, and a 2x2 twill for the good looking layer on top:







Trailing edge looks straight as an arrow:



Tomorrow is the big day!


Tony Kania MSG #507, 03-09-2011 10:31 AM
      Continue on...

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #508, 03-09-2011 08:44 PM
      Today was another successful/productive day.

Got the carbon fiber laid down, just waiting for it to dry now.

We started with this (and a nice sunny morning out):



Started mixing the resin (also found out the hard way that you're not supposed to mix too much at once)



Apparently this stuff creates a lot of heat through the reaction. It's own heating also helps cure itself.

First layer going down:





The second layer:



One side finished and ready to dry:



Keep in mind that there is excess on the tail that needs to be trimmed. Disregard the tail, it will be further cleaned up.

Both done, just drying:





Until tomorrrow...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #509, 03-10-2011 08:29 PM
      Worked on the project a little bit more today.

Here are the airfoils waiting to be popped out of the jigs made up for them:



Here they are popped out, waiting to be trimmed:



Fashioned a way to cut a straight line:



One guy cutting, one guy with the shop vac, one guy taking pictures. Safety is a must for cutting this stuff. Don't want to breathe it in!



All trimmed up and ready for further beautification:





The tail end getting a little extra treatment:



Expect more updates tomorrow


Carswell...Wellscar (matt_13carswell@hotmail.com) MSG #510, 03-10-2011 10:15 PM
      This is what you do all day at school eh!!?? nice!! Cant wait to see it finished and installed!!

What are you taking again??

If you want a fiero to test it on ..well im only 15 min drive away

The fiero is coming along nicely!!! Keep it up Chris!

It seems like the fiero is never finished!! always more little tweaks here and there !!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #511, 03-11-2011 08:38 PM
      Thanks buddy, I wish this was all I did at school, but unfortunately theres more to it than building this wing!

I'm in automotive engineering so you can see how this is relevent for a project.

I'll have my car here at the school with the final product on it so you'll have to come by and see it.

Continuing on with the tedious build...

The airfoils were removed from the clamping system in the last update. The trailing edge turned out beautifully. A lot better than we expected. I didn't get a picture of when we first removed it, but I have some later on.

We then flipped the airfoils and this is what we started with:



Then we mixed up more resin and went to apply another coat for that deep glossy finish:



We proceeded to cover the whole thing, top and bottom. Had to constantly rotate the pieces to make sure there were no runs. Used a heat gun to pop any small bubbles.





The trailing edge looks nice and straight. It will need one more trim to get rid of excess resin:



Its really starting to look like a finished product!



Hope you guys are enjoying this build. We've been learning a lot.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #512, 03-12-2011 05:42 PM
      Managed to snap a few more pictures today of the whole thing. It's successfully cured with no runs in the resin and we're happy with the result. We still might wet sand and buff it. Definitely have to trim the excess resin from the trailing edge again.

Here are some pictures!









Check out that gloss


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #513, 03-12-2011 05:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Managed to snap a few more pictures today of the whole thing. It's successfully cured with no runs in the resin and we're happy with the result. We still might wet sand and buff it. Definitely have to trim the excess resin from the trailing edge again. Here are some pictures!


Check out that gloss


Nice. Will the buffing remove and smooth out the somewhat wavy surface?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #514, 03-12-2011 06:11 PM
      The sanding and buffing will probably remove some of it. I don't think it will ever be perfect considering it was hand laid carbon fiber and the resin was done by hand. Some imperfections can't be fixed but its more of a test piece / prototype.

It looks nice as is from 5-10 feet away. We're hoping to cut that down with the sanding and buffing so that its more of a 2-3 footer lol.

Its also meant to be a track wing so looks aren't paramount.

All part of the difficulties with working with carbon fiber!


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #515, 03-13-2011 12:13 AM
      How much does that thing weigh? Seems like the amount of resin used would defeat the purpose of using carbon fiber.

Just curious, nice work!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #516, 03-13-2011 12:32 AM
      I'll try and weigh them soon. When I picked them up before the second coat of resin, I would guess no more than a couple of pounds each.

The extra resin will add some weight, but I'm not that concerned. There are better ways to saturate the fiber with resin than this, however, they require vacuum pumps etc. This was done with brushes.

It will be a 65 inch wing span. I can't see the carbon fiber section weighing more than 10 lbs total. I feel like thats a very generous estimate.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #517, 03-14-2011 06:52 PM
      Managed to do more work today.

Got the airfoils trimmed up:



Mocked up the assembley quickly:





Still lots to do. Need to cut out end plates and center plates, mounts for the stands, etc...

As for the weight question, each half weights apprx 5 lbs and some odd ounces:





Both stands together:



Not bad for weight. I was somewhat close with my original estimate. The resin weighed more than I had expected.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #518, 03-14-2011 11:25 PM
      We got a little excited tonight and decided to do more work.

We needed to drill some holes in the deck lid, see where things lines up, etc.









Tomorrow we will mount it. We cut some feet for the wing stands.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #519, 03-15-2011 10:08 PM
      Not as much progress today... ran into a slight technical difficulty that was rectified.

Started getting these "feet" together a little more. They will be finished nicer, and painted etc. Won't look so industrial when we're done:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #520, 03-16-2011 07:47 PM
      Did some more work today. Got the wing stand feet finished up. Cut them shorter on top to match the profile of the wing stand, and rounded the corners off. Unfortunately didn't get a picture of them.

There was a slight change in design as well. We decided to go with bronze bushings and hone them out for more clearance:

Safety first... this is our honing contraption.. don't ask...



This is the bronze bushing pressed into the wing stand. The stands need a repaint.



Here are the bushings pressed into the airfoils:



Also started cutting out the end plates from a flat sheet of carbon fiber. They won't be rectangles. Just some simple cuts for today:





Everyday a little more progress..



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #521, 03-17-2011 07:59 PM
      Brought the car up around close to the school for storage while the rest of the wing is being built..





Again, keep in mind that the shape for the end plates has not been cut yet. They won't be rectangles. Also, there is packing tape over the end plates to protect them from getting scratched.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #522, 03-18-2011 11:31 PM
      Trimmed up the end plates today and painted the back sides black:





Not bad for using a dremel.

Also painted up the brackets and wing stands:



Here is a shot of the group hard at work:



Got working on the magical boxes of mystery under the decklid...



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #523, 03-20-2011 11:43 PM
      Just a quick update, I want to get some sleep!

Should have posted this yesterday but I was feeling under the weather.

Painted the under side of the decklid:



Finalized the mounting and wiring of the electrical... the following picture is not the "finalized" picture:



Wing stands assembled for the final time:



End plates cut and protective tape removed. Carbon fiber side



Final assembley mounted:



I also have a video that I will post on youtube tomorrow...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #524, 03-21-2011 04:25 PM
      As promised...





More to come!


ALLTRBO MSG #525, 03-21-2011 05:36 PM
      That is, by far, the coolest dancing wing that I've ever seen.
$2 Paypal'd to the first person who puts that perfectly in time to a song.

I've been following for a long while, will continue. Keep up the good work.



ALLTRBO MSG #526, 03-21-2011 05:52 PM
      You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing wing

Friday night and the lights are low
Looking out for the place to go
Where they play the right music, getting in the swing
You come in to look for a king
Anybody could be that guy
Night is young and the music’s high
With a bit of rock music, everything is fine
You’re in the mood for a dance
And when you get the chance...

You are the dancing wing, young and sweet, only seventeen
Dancing wing, feel the beat from the tambourine
You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing wing

You’re a teaser, you turn ’em on
Leave them burning and then you’re gone
Looking out for another, anyone will do
You’re in the mood for a dance
And when you get the chance...

You are the dancing wing, young and sweet, only seventeen
Dancing wing, feel the beat from the tambourine
You can dance, you can jive, having the time of your life
See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the dancing wing








exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #527, 03-21-2011 10:27 PM
     
Wow !!!!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #528, 03-22-2011 12:28 AM
      Thanks for the comments guys

ALLTRBO, hopefully the wing allows the car to dance around on the street/track just as well!

We have to write the actual program for it still. That was just a demonstration of one of the things it can do

More to come! I'm hoping to take the spot for the first Fiero with true active aerodynamics

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Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #529, 03-22-2011 01:05 AM
      I noticed the wing is split in half. Do the two sides move independently?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #530, 03-22-2011 10:46 AM
      Yep they sure do.

I'll post up a video of that next


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #531, 03-22-2011 10:07 PM
      Wow, if you could program that thing for braking and hard turns, simply by having sensors detect the touch of the brakes and the position of the steering rack... That would be sweet... You probably have something better planned though lol

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #532, 03-22-2011 11:44 PM
      Not exactly how it will be done, but you're on the right track Jesse. It will be fully automatic/dynamic while driving. (Optimizing the position of the airfoils as you drive)

Tinkrr MSG #533, 03-23-2011 09:07 AM
      Shades of the 1960's/70's Chapparal


Proportional braking/wing positioning
Auto adjust for speed
If your Fiero had antilock brakes you could use the wheel speed sensors to determine rear wheelslip and adjust downforce appropriately.

Fun Project


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #534, 03-23-2011 03:48 PM
      Going to use a hall sensor for wheel speed, however, is there an ABS module from another car that fits our hubs?

Bloozberry MSG #535, 03-23-2011 04:38 PM
      I haven't read the thread from beginning to end, so you'll have to excuse me if you've already discussed this, but have you figured out the amount of down-force generated for a given speed with your airfoil at different angles of attack?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #536, 03-23-2011 06:01 PM
      I didn't really get into it within this build thread but yes we have a full report with everything documented included the CFD data which gives us downforce at different speeds and angles of attack.

That data (and the pressure distribution) was how we optimized the placement of the actuators leverage on the airfoil, such that they can move the wings at high speeds (high downforce).



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #537, 03-23-2011 06:45 PM
      As promised, the follow up video:



As well as a pictures of the decklid cleaned up and spray painted, and the final assembley:



In the corner of the picture, you can see a logitech steering wheel and pedals. We have interfaced them with the wing for presentation purposes (school project). Won't have anything to do with these while its on the car.



ALLTRBO MSG #538, 03-23-2011 08:33 PM
      That is just simply awesome. You really took all of the thoughts right out of my head and made them a reality. Keep it up.

(Okay, so the "dance" thing was cheesy but it made me chuckle. )

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Carcenomy MSG #539, 03-24-2011 05:31 AM
      Is it just me, or does your wing sound like a dot matrix printer?

Digging where this is going dude, keep the updates coming. It's going to be sweet to see it on the car with a nice rear window camera view of the wing in action.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #540, 03-24-2011 10:55 AM
      Thanks guys,

I'll get more video as things progress. Still have lots of work to do.

Btw, it probably sounds like a printer because of the motor selection


Bloozberry MSG #541, 03-24-2011 03:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I didn't really get into it within this build thread but yes we have a full report with everything documented included the CFD data which gives us downforce at different speeds and angles of attack.



There may not be as many of us interested in the physics behind the design as there are in the cosmetics of it, but I'm sure you'd find an expanded audience if you were to explain how and why this will work to your advantage on the track. I'm interested.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #542, 03-24-2011 08:26 PM
      Fair enough. One of the reasons I haven't posted more of the physics etc, is that this is a school project. We have been so busy working on the reports and descriptions that time is an issue (and fatigue lol). For the past few weeks we have been working day and night to get it ready for a competition.

However, I'll dive into the physics a bit.

Basically, it is somewhat common knowledge that a rear wing helps produce a downforce in the rear of the vehicle, thereby increasing the load on the rear tires. By increasing the normal force on the tires, the friction force that can be generated by them is now greater. This translates to greater cornering capabilities, and high speed stability.

To take this a step further, we figured that adjustibility would be a nice feature. The 2-D airfoil selected was based on CFD analysis of many profiles. We were mainly looking for something that could produce a lot of downforce at lower speeds and wouldn't be sensitive to stall (due to the turbulent nature of air around a vehicle). This matters when it comes to adjustibility because we had to figure out the stall angle of the wing profile, and then design a mechanical system that would allow it to rotate while in use.

To make things even more complicated (but somewhat innovative), we chose to make it active. This has a multitude of benefits on the track, but does increase the complexity of the project. The benefits are mainly in optimization of force under different circumstances. On a track, you have many different scenarios (long straights, hard braking, high acceleration, high lateral acceleration). Each of these scenarios requires different amounts of downforce and drag from the wing. Therefore, a passive wing in one position (even if its adjustible) must be set once and cannot adapt to the different needs of the vehicle. An active wing can make high downforce at the expense of higher drag during turns or braking, but it can also switch to lower downforce positions and low drag for the long straights. This reduces the amount of power needed to push something like this through the air, and the extra power can be available to achieve higher top speeds. The higher downforce in corners and braking allow for higher speeds in the corners, and decreased braking distances (can go further into the braking zone).

Lastly, the split wing was to top it all off. The main benefits of having independent halves of the wing are in reducing body roll. Body roll occurs during hard cornering (which can be experienced at the track). When the vehicle body rolls, weight is transferred to the outside tires, while the inside tires lose a certain amount of normal force. While some weight transfer is necessary, an excess amount can be detrimental to cornering speeds and stability. Therefore, by splitting the rear wing, the half that is on the inside of the turn can be moved to a higher angle to produce more downforce. This uneven distribution of downforce creates a counter moment around the roll center of the vehicle and restores some of the normal force on the inside tires. This may decrease a bit of body roll, while increasing the friction force on the inside tires, resulting in higher cornering speeds.

Thats pretty much the theory behind it. One of the biggest issues is actuation time however. Obviously these events that I just mentioned (corners, braking, etc) come and go very quickly on the track. The wing has to respond quickly to be effective. We have some expensive motors and equipment that can handle the speeds necessary to be an effective addition to a vehicle. From our zero angle, to our stall angle, we can actuate the wings in half a second (up to 200km/h). Beyond that, it slows down a bit, but that issue can be fixed with more money (ie. better motors). We were constrained to a certain budget.

Hopefully that gives a better picture of whats happening in terms of the theory behind it. I can get into it a bit more at a later date. In the meantime, theres a 30 page report that has to be written up thats due tomorrow!

Ask more questions if something is unclear or doesn't make sense! Criticism and suggestions are both important to the prototype and how we go about designing things!

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wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #543, 03-24-2011 09:06 PM
      this is really a great project , just like all the other neat things you have done to your car .it will be interesting to see how it will work at a track .but , i am pretty sure that every sanctioning body for the various types of racing has banned active aero devices .maybe it would be allowed for autocross ?

Bloozberry MSG #544, 03-24-2011 09:57 PM
      Excellent description of what's going on (almost sounds like the introduction to your report!). I'd love to see a sampling of the rough magnitude of the expected forces generated for a couple typical track speeds and angles of attack (AoA) (when you have time).

Wish I would've had interesting thesis topics to choose from when I went to school!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #545, 03-25-2011 02:02 AM
      Thanks again guys, glad to see its getting some views We've put a ton of hours into it.

wftb, active aero is banned by most sanctioned bodies. However, this is more of a personal endeavour / doing it because we can and we're interested in it. Plus, if nobody developes the technology, then it will never make its way into any racing league. Regardless, it would just be fun to run on lapping days and have people looking at it funny.

Bloozberry, we're going to try and get some force data out of it somehow. It will be a little while longer though. Still have to get the actual program code worked out for the vehicle. Its coming along.

In other news, today we participated in a competition against other groups within the university. It was focusing on contributions to the industry with the projects, and industry/partner relations. We placed 1st and we're quite proud. We now have the chance to move on to compete at the provincial level. We just have to be in the top 5 spots province wide. Hopefully it pans out! It would be great exposure.

Here are some pics from the event:









Another video coming up soon, just strictly the wing working at a slow speed using the game controller inputs. (For presentation purposes)



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #546, 03-25-2011 11:05 AM
      Here is a video at the event:



Keep in mind the actuation was slowed down for presentation purposes.


FieroAK (collinszacharyj@gmail.com) MSG #547, 03-25-2011 11:39 PM
      Awesome build. I just read this entire thread, looked at all the pictures, and hot damn I love the work you've done to your Fiero. Like so many other people, I will be considering a black/silver interior do-over, though my exterior will remain black. The side scoops and the diffuser look awesome, as does the "street" spoiler. And the one y'all just did for the school project thing, awesome, great work.People dream of your car... and my car dreams of a motor. Haha. Good luck with any future projects.

Reallybig MSG #548, 03-26-2011 02:50 AM
      Excellent work! Congrats on the First Place. I've enjoyed following your progress while lurking but have to ask; with respects to the dynamic nature of the spoiler, had you considered a flexible actuation as opposed to the split rigid design? Off the top of my head, if it were to have a fixed leading edge, flexible urethane airfoil, and a movable trailing edge perhaps with a central pivoting point? Just picking your brain.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #549, 03-26-2011 09:49 AM
      Thanks FieroAK, those are some nice compliments. Its been a lot of work, but definitely fun to drive

ReallyBig, thats a pretty cool idea, just a lot harder to implement. It would be even more innovative and "new" but a little beyond my aerodynamic knowledge at this point. We purposely stuck to a constant 2-D profile rather than creating a variable profile because it is a lot easier (relatively) to understand the behaviour of air flow around an airfoil that only changes angle of attack. Changing the profile would totally change the airfoil's properties and would be really impressive! I love the idea though... I'd have to do a lot more research into aerodynamics and airfoil design. Might be possible as a personal endeavour when I don't have the time deadlines imposed by it being a school project.


Tinkrr MSG #550, 03-27-2011 02:04 PM
      Did you see this morning's F1 race?
They are using a newly regulated DRS (drag reduction system) in which the upper portion of the rear spoiler is opened by the driver at speed to create a "hole" in the spoiler for a claimed equivalent 100 horsepower advantage on the straight stretches. During the race the DRS was increasing speed at the end of the straights by 12 KPH.
Your wing could obviously be feathered to do the same thing.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #551, 03-27-2011 10:01 PM
      Unfortunately I only caught a bit of the race, but I wasn't aware of the new DRS.

This wing has the same sort of logic in the controller. Long straights = zero angle of attack for less drag.

We should be working on it more this week, and hopefully get it on the car by the end of the week!


justinchristie MSG #552, 03-28-2011 10:06 AM
      Sorry I missed this last Friday, I was on campus Friday I wished I stopped by to take a peak at your project. looks like you were in the west UA atrium too.

Awesome project BTW.



Tony Kania MSG #553, 03-28-2011 11:18 AM
      You know where I stand on this wonderful build. And good luck with the competition. After reading your descriptive answers to the questions presented, you guys will do just fine. In the competition, and life. Bravo!

Tony


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #554, 03-28-2011 04:50 PM
      Thanks again guys.

Justin, we will be displaying it again sometime in early April. Probably the 7th or 8th in the same area, and hopefully with it fully installed on the car. If you have a chance to come by then, feel free!

Tony, thanks for the good luck wishes. Just have to wait to hear back to see if we placed in the top 5 in the province. Keeping our fingers crossed.



Fiero2m8 MSG #555, 03-31-2011 01:13 AM
      Am I the only one wondering if we will see this wing on your Fiero this summer?
I read the "track day" comments but I'm curious to see how it would look.
We'll probably have to settle for photoshop's for now

As a huge F1 fan that's being reading up on DRS for months this was a timely project - great work.



Shill MSG #556, 03-31-2011 03:29 AM
     

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #557, 03-31-2011 10:07 AM
      Thanks Ryan,

You'll probably see the wing on the odd time in the summer, maybe at a show or something. Gotta show off the hard work

I should be installing it this coming week however. We have more presentations to do and want to get some video footage of it working while I drive. So you won't just have to settle for photoshop!

Shill, I remember seeing that video a couple of weeks back maybe. Cool wing, I believe its an ice racing car? The guy is on the forum here. If I remember correctly, its hydraulic powered but is not "active" in the sense that it automatically changes angle as you drive. He has buttons for it I think. I could be wrong... either way its pretty cool.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #558, 04-04-2011 11:52 PM
      Today we had a chance to get the wing on the car.

Out with the old (for now):



In with the new:











Excuse the filthy car. Its that time of the year around here where the roads are really dirty and it has been raining lately.

The wing definitely looks like a track wing. We took it for a spin without the electronics hooked up and we got some weird looks from people. No big deal

Then we hooked up the electronics, blew a fuse... oops! Finally, the skies decided to open up and that ended our day. Never did get to see it work on the car today. Maybe tomorrow!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #559, 04-06-2011 12:47 AM
      Got back at it today.

We did a little trouble shooting, replaced our fuse and went for a test drive.



Took a quick video showing the split action on the car:



I have more video I have to sort through. On the rough roads around here the wing is somewhat sensitive to pot holes. We have to play around with the coding a bit more to filter those out. On the track it would work a lot smoother without the pot holes. More video to come. Hopefully with the car washed too!


thedrue MSG #560, 04-06-2011 01:28 AM
      Wow, all I have to say is Wow! Great build, great car! It will be very interesting to see how that wing reacts and changes the dynamics of the car on the track.

It definitely looks huge on the car, did not realize how big it was from the build pictures.

Good work!


ALLTRBO MSG #561, 04-06-2011 11:19 AM
      Too cool!
Yeah, that thing is massive! I'm sure it'll do its job very well once you get it tuned in. What are you going to do for the front to match all the downforce back there? If a simple splitter won't do enough it'll probably understeer like crazy coming out of a fast, wide sweeper because the front end is already so light.
Do you plan on engineering an underbody tray and a proper diffuser (as proper can be with bottom-fed engine bay cooling, anyway) to compliment the wing?

The next thing to seriously worry about with all this traction you'll have is the weak-sauce Fiero wheel bearings. Many a racer has had serious failures at the track when coupled with good traction. What are your plans for this?

Oh, one more thing; I may have missed it but what is the control mechanism for the wing? You mentioned that it's sensitive to potholes, does that mean you have suspension compression sensors?

Keep up the innovative work.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #562, 04-06-2011 12:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ALLTRBO:

Too cool!
Yeah, that thing is massive! I'm sure it'll do its job very well once you get it tuned in. What are you going to do for the front to match all the downforce back there? If a simple splitter won't do enough it'll probably understeer like crazy coming out of a fast, wide sweeper because the front end is already so light.
Do you plan on engineering an underbody tray and a proper diffuser (as proper can be with bottom-fed engine bay cooling, anyway) to compliment the wing?

The next thing to seriously worry about with all this traction you'll have is the weak-sauce Fiero wheel bearings. Many a racer has had serious failures at the track when coupled with good traction. What are your plans for this?

Oh, one more thing; I may have missed it but what is the control mechanism for the wing? You mentioned that it's sensitive to potholes, does that mean you have suspension compression sensors?

Keep up the innovative work.



For the front, we have a splitter planned, also hood vents to further reduce lift and promote downforce. We originally had an active front splitter planned but we just didn't have enough time to take that on during the school year. If the car still understeers then we can always dial down the downforce in the rear during cornering. Front canards etc could be used if we really want to try and increase front downforce. We'll see how it reacts and then come up with a game plan. This whole thing is proof of concept right now and should be easily implemented on any vehicle. We chose the Fiero because... well, we had it at our disposal and I didn't mind

Hopefully the wheel bearings will hold up. Don't want to find out the hard way! However, I will have to look into alternative options if it becomes a major concern. I didn't really think of that, thanks for pointing it out

A full under tray would be nice, but again its time and money and we'll see where things go. The mid engine is a challenge with the cooling issue like you mentioned.

For detecting turns and braking we are using an accelerometer. Therefore bumps and potholes pose a challenge. More "noise" for the processor to sort through.

 
quote
Originally posted by thedrue:

Wow, all I have to say is Wow! Great build, great car! It will be very interesting to see how that wing reacts and changes the dynamics of the car on the track.

It definitely looks huge on the car, did not realize how big it was from the build pictures.

Good work!



It's definitely big lol. We get some odd looks on the road but its all in good fun.

Keep checking back, always more updates

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aaronkoch (cheddarlump@cheddarlump.net) MSG #563, 04-06-2011 12:49 PM
      As a noise filter, can you do a running average over .1 to .2 seconds? Seems like it would smooth out the bumps, while still being fairly responsive..



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #564, 04-06-2011 01:07 PM
      We do have a running average going already, but we're going to take a larger sample like you said. That was one of our ideas. We have a few others, just playing around with the thresholds and sensitivity too. Good suggestion!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #565, 04-06-2011 07:07 PM
      Here is another very short video. Taken with a different camera, pretty low rez. Hopefully you can make something out from it!



Enjoy


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #566, 04-09-2011 02:54 PM
      Tested and modified the software for the wing further. Have it working almost perfect again. Just want it to be slightly more sensitive to braking. Other than that, its working flawlessly.

Here are some pictures from the testing session, as well as some pictures from our presentation at the school. All of the final year engineering projects were being presented:



















I have a video compilation that one of my group members put together. It should be up on youtube soon and I will post it

Enjoy!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #567, 04-09-2011 09:07 PM
      Here's a compilation video of all of the testing footage so far. I apologize for the weird sounding audio. Something happened to it when I uploaded it to youtube? I don't want to do an "audioswap" otherwise you won't be able to hear the car...



Enjoy!


FieroAK (collinszacharyj@gmail.com) MSG #568, 04-10-2011 04:44 AM
      That audio situation is indeed interesting... could hear the car, the singer (Nickelback, good choice man lol), but the music itself was distorted. Ahh youtube, it screws us.

On another note, that wing looks good. I'm assuming the handling and breaking are noticeably improved? Haha.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #569, 04-10-2011 12:46 PM
      To be honest, I haven't noticed a difference. Need to get up to higher speeds than you can safely do on a road. Going to be taking it to the track sometime soon for a lapping day!

Curlrup MSG #570, 04-11-2011 06:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Playing with electronics...



A little bit of progress everyday.


Arduinos rock! I auve used them on numerous projects for work and I made a 3d printer with one. Good stuff.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #571, 04-11-2011 08:06 PM
      They're definitely handy little guys. Inexpensive too. Very popular for projects!

JSzpotek (jszpotek@gmail.com) MSG #572, 04-12-2011 02:06 AM
      Ah rockin the Gongshow cap? Atta be!

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:



Enjoy!




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #573, 04-12-2011 01:21 PM
      Sorry! No gongshow hat my friend. Just a regular old mesh back lol.

JSzpotek (jszpotek@gmail.com) MSG #574, 04-12-2011 05:02 PM
      Ahh hahaha, looks just like my bud's hat..

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Sorry! No gongshow hat my friend. Just a regular old mesh back lol.




Lonster MSG #575, 04-12-2011 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:
I bought some splash guards and actually placed them in front of the the front wheels. I'm running 225 series tires up front with a 38mm offset rim so they stick out a bit. I've seen these "reverse mudflaps" on some other sports cars. I figured I'd give it a shot, they look pretty good and shield the edge of the tire from air that would create drag on them. Basically they just look cool.



Since you are studying aerodynamics, does this mod have functionality to push the air around the tires and wheelwell?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #576, 04-12-2011 07:33 PM
      Aerodynamics isn't really my area of study. Myself and two others took on the other project to learn outside of our usual realm. However, I don't think those reverse mudflaps could hurt. It is shielding some of the tire from a direct path of high velocity air. Probably reduces drag on the tires. I figure if they do this kind of thing on high end sports cars, it must have a purpose. They can spend the millions in the wind tunnel testing this stuff, and you just have to copy them

Lonster MSG #577, 04-13-2011 09:40 AM
      Enlighten me! Which cars have the reverse mudflaps. Yours is the first I've really seen.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #578, 04-13-2011 11:29 AM
      I've definitely seen it on the ZR1, I also remember seeing something similar on a newer-ish Porsche (sorry can't remember the model), as well as an older Imprezza STI. They're around on certain vehicles, just keep your eye out for them. I like the way it looks on the Fiero so I was happy with how it turned out

Lonster MSG #579, 04-13-2011 02:37 PM
      Thanks for the info. A quick search on the ZR1 shows: your "reverse mud flap" is also refered to as a "Gurney Flap" or "Gurney Lip" (as was used by Dan Gurney) and is used to direct air around the front wheelwell. The flap also creates a small low pressure area beside the wheel that helps pull air through the brake ducts.
Cool stuff...and functional!

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Lonster MSG #580, 04-13-2011 03:04 PM
      Check this out... goes with your wing engineering. The Gurney flap- http://www.allamericanracers.com/gurney_flap.html

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #581, 04-13-2011 03:08 PM
      Thanks for the link.

We tried out a gurney flap on the wing when doing some of the CFD analysis, but decided to go without one. I guess the "reverse mud flap" carries the same name. Who knew lol.


RWDPLZ MSG #582, 04-15-2011 07:34 PM
      Saw this back on page 4, and thought, does this look like a face to anyone else?





^ See the resemblance?


bnevets27 MSG #583, 04-16-2011 02:57 AM
      What track are you planing to do the lapping at?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #584, 04-16-2011 08:48 PM
      Planning on taking the car to Cayuga in a few weeks hopefully!



bnevets27 MSG #585, 04-18-2011 02:18 PM
      Just stumbled across this: http://www.casc.on.ca/forum...owthread.php?t=22249 (down force sensor)
Not cheap but pertains to the work your doing with your wing.

Btw, if your interested you should come out to one of the lapping day at mostport DDT: http://www.gtfieros.com/php...topic.php?f=7&t=1608


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #586, 04-18-2011 05:06 PM
      Thanks bnevets27, I'll check those links out.

I'll also check my availability for those lapping days. By the way, for some reason I can't get into my account on the GT Fieros site. I emailed the admin but nobody has gotten back to me :S


randye (randy@enerson1.com) MSG #587, 04-18-2011 06:12 PM
      Wow, I had no idea you were delving into this "wing work" lately.
Very interesting stuff, and you have done some nice innovation there!
Reminds me of the Hall Chaparral CanAm 2E from back in the late 60's but you're a bit more sophisticated in your control approach

" Like previous Chaparrals, the 2E used an “automatic” transmission and did not need a clutch pedal. In its place, the Chaparral team installed a floor pedal to control the wing. With his left foot, the driver could hold the wing in a flat low-drag position when accelerating on high-speed straight sections. When cornering, the driver released the pedal, which moved the front of the wind to a downward angle. The angled wing provided added down force in the corners. It also increased drag to help slow the car. In addition, the pedal controlled the air flow in a tunnel at the front of the 2E to provide a balancing aerodynamic force on the front of the car. "

“It was time to get the wing off the car and onto the suspension. No one seemed to agree with me at the time… but I guess we changed a few minds.”

-Jim Hall, discussing the Chaparral 2E

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bnevets27 MSG #588, 04-19-2011 04:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:
I'll also check my availability for those lapping days. By the way, for some reason I can't get into my account on the GT Fieros site. I emailed the admin but nobody has gotten back to me :S


I just sent Adam (thumpr) a pm for you asking him if he get back to you/fix your account.

If you plan on going to one of those lapping days let me know. I'm going to be going to one of them, maybe two, but haven't decided which dates yet. Would be nice to get a couple fiero's out there for a day.




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #589, 04-19-2011 08:10 PM
      Thanks Randye, I've actually had a couple of people now mention the Chaparral car to me. I had heard of it before, and the aerodynamic pioneering and ingenuity of some of the Chaparrel cars. Very interesting!

Thanks bnevets27, I received an email back from Adam and had my password reset. Account works again! I'll look into the lapping days, and I hope to get out to some this summer!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #590, 04-21-2011 09:23 PM
      Lately I've been having a weird problem with starting the car. It would be hard to start, then start and die immediately. Interior lights wouldn't come on when I opened the doors etc. At first I thought it was a loose connection at the battery, but I tried tightening it and that wouldn't help. Took the battery out, had it tested and it tested okay, but not great. Ended up investing in a new battery, the old one bit the dust I guess. All hard start problems have dissapeared. Everything back to normal

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #591, 05-05-2011 08:58 PM
      Had the car out today, tried to find where my slight oil leak is coming from. Also removed the diffuser and mounted it with some different hardware. Finally put my IMSA decals on the calipers that I got from Paul McKibbon a year ago or so:



rourke_87_T-Top (rourke_r@hotmail.com) MSG #592, 05-06-2011 07:31 AM
      The fusible link that goes to the battery, inside the plastic casing. You cannot see it because it is incapsulated, but the connections will be heavily oxidized. I cut the plastic capsule off with a box cutter and cleaned all the white powder and made a new clean connection. Adam was telling me he had the same problem recently. It will cause an intermittent electrical problem.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #593, 05-06-2011 12:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rourke_87_T-Top:

The fusible link that goes to the battery, inside the plastic casing. You cannot see it because it is incapsulated, but the connections will be heavily oxidized. I cut the plastic capsule off with a box cutter and cleaned all the white powder and made a new clean connection. Adam was telling me he had the same problem recently. It will cause an intermittent electrical problem.


Thanks for the tip. If the problem arises again I'll take a look into that. For now the new battery seems to have completely solved the problem. The old one was 7-8 years old so it lasted a while I suppose (Not bad considering it doesn't see any activity in the winter and no trickle charger)


PF Flyer MSG #594, 06-04-2011 12:35 PM
      Updates? Its summer time, or its your time to modify time? whats cooking for this summer?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #595, 06-08-2011 11:02 PM
      No plans as of yet. Just spent money I don't have on fixing a ball joint failure issue. Left me stranded and I needed a new control arm. Need a job too.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #596, 06-21-2011 03:37 PM
      Here is a picture of the ball joint failure I was referring to:





Just checked on the other side today.... its the same thing waiting to happen.

Looks like I'll be doing another ball joint in the next few days..


Goldenfoot (rt_jb_whittington07@q.com) MSG #597, 06-21-2011 11:17 PM
      Ouch! Glad youre ok and for the most part your car too! What exactly happened? Did the threads strip off? Normal driving? Stock ball joints or replacement?

Stubby79 MSG #598, 06-21-2011 11:29 PM
      Lowrider?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #599, 06-22-2011 03:09 PM
      What happened was that the castle nut wasn't tall enough, or the hole drilled for the cotter pin was too high. This allowed the castle nut to back off. The ball joint was then free to back out a little bit and rock in the spindle. Eventually this broke off the castle nut and the ball joint completely fell out. Junk.

Moral of the story: Don't buy cheap parts from ebay. Namely World Suspensions or whatever they call themselves.


Tony Kania MSG #600, 06-24-2011 06:44 PM
      Hey Chris, I have had an instance on another car of mine where the castle nut sat too low after the install. I ended up drilling a new hole for the cotter pin. I cannot remember the brand (a long time ago, and for a Mustang) but, if you ever run into that issue again, there is a fix.

That is one damning pic!

Tony


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #601, 06-24-2011 10:21 PM
      Yeah at the time I figured it wouldn't back off because the ball joint technically is held in by the spindle like an interference fit. But they both worked their way out and the passenger side was doing the same. If it happens again in the future, I'd probably just take the ball joint back and return it. Tell them its junk.

PF Flyer MSG #602, 06-26-2011 11:28 AM
      glad the car was mostly okay, something similar happened to me on the highway a few months back, one of the torx caliper pins was slowly loosening and one day i tapped the brakes and my front left calper snapped off and locked up my wheel. how fast were you going when it happened?

ps

i think you should invest in a camber correction kit


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #603, 06-26-2011 02:42 PM
      Yeah every once in a while its good to do a quick inspection, make sure everything is tight. I was at a car show yesterday and one of the guys pointed out that one of the bolts mating my tranny to the engine was loose. I didn't even notice until he pointed it out. Sometimes things rattle loose!

I was only creeping along when that happened. Luckily it was in a driveway so there was no other damage done. The inner fender was sitting on top of the wheel and supported the car just fine.


Luke (lukehanus@yahoo.com) MSG #604, 07-25-2011 09:48 PM
      eeek glad it happened at low speed

I installed new lowers on my 88 and wasnt happy with how the castle nut sat, guess that will be part of my regular inspection of the car from now on.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #605, 08-05-2011 10:49 PM
      I just moved to a different city for a new job so pretty much all progress with anything/everything is on hold.

I'll be adding another car to the collection in the next few weeks. A nice little winter car... honda civic hatchback with b18c swap I'm thinking


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #606, 10-08-2011 01:11 AM
      Got my honda civic but no b18c. Just the d16 which I'm going to go vtec with.

Anyways, heres the real update!

This little red fiero is going TURBO. I bought some parts from mptighe on the forum and I'll start collecting until I have everything needed. I'll be running a water to air intercooler and I need to do my homework on what size turbo I will run. Should be a fun experience and a wild ride. Wish me luck!


Reallybig MSG #607, 10-08-2011 02:00 AM
      Good Luck!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #608, 10-09-2011 12:18 AM
      Thanks!

In other news... an old headlight project is being revived. Let there be light!


Danyel MSG #609, 10-09-2011 02:04 AM
      PM sent

PBJ (pbjt@sympatico.ca) MSG #610, 10-12-2011 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Got my honda civic but no b18c. Just the d16 which I'm going to go vtec with.


This little red fiero is going TURBO.


Uh oh, that is going to make that honda feel even slower Nice to see yous cruising are streets.

Pete



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #611, 10-12-2011 07:54 PM
      The Honda already does feel slow!

When I saw your car in person the other day, I just knew I had to go turbo. Thanks a lot This might cost me a few bucks :P


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #612, 10-16-2011 10:27 PM
      Don't want to count my chickens before they hatch, but I'm pretty sure I just scored a garrett turbo and tial wastegate. Should have it on tuesday



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #613, 10-18-2011 10:54 PM
      Here are some of the parts I've recently aquired:





More on the way!


1988holleyformula MSG #614, 10-19-2011 01:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


More on the way!


Seriously a fan of this thread. Timeframe on turbo installation? Tuned by Spring?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #615, 10-19-2011 05:31 AM
      Not certain at this point. I really doubt that it will be ready by spring. I'm back to living in a different city than where my car is being stored, so I don't have access to it regularily.

Being realistic, it probably won't be ready and tuned until next fall.


Eau_Rouge MSG #616, 10-19-2011 09:40 PM
      If you're interested in a brand new, never used F40 6 speed, I have one. If you're interested for your project, let me know. I'm also in Oakville.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #617, 10-20-2011 03:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:

If you're interested in a brand new, never used F40 6 speed, I have one. If you're interested for your project, let me know. I'm also in Oakville.


Not sure how I feel about the F40... seems like an expensive and fairly high effort transmission swap. I think I'll do the F23 5spd some day instead if this tranny breaks.


PBJ (pbjt@sympatico.ca) MSG #618, 10-21-2011 10:24 AM
      Give me a call and we can hook up for a drive so you can get a feel for what you are building...insane. Absolutely different then the s/c version.

Pete



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #619, 10-21-2011 04:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PBJ:

Give me a call and we can hook up for a drive so you can get a feel for what you are building...insane. Absolutely different then the s/c version.

Pete



Thanks Pete, shoot me a pm with your number and I'll give you a call this weekend or soon. I'd love to do that!

I wouldn't mind taking a look at a few things on your turbo set up as well. There are a few odds and ends I'm not sure about.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #620, 10-21-2011 11:14 PM
      Just a few more pictures since everyone loves pictures. I'm waiting on these goodies to show up:











And I took apart my Tial 38mm wastegate and sent in the serial number to Tial. They confirmed that it is infact real and not a chinese paperweight:





Trying to find a quality blow off valve for sale now. Always on the hunt for deals!



ALLTRBO MSG #621, 10-22-2011 12:20 PM
      Here's a pretty good deal:
http://forums.bimmerforums....thread.php?t=1730045

...on one of these:
http://www.motoiq.com/magaz...-diverter-valve.aspx

Just a thought.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #622, 10-23-2011 09:01 PM
      Thanks for the heads up. I may have secured an authentic HKS super sequential on a local buy and sell.

On another note, I went for a ride in a 3800 turbo today. Thanks Pete! It was FAST.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #623, 10-24-2011 09:50 PM
      LS6 valve springs on the way

Gokart Mozart MSG #624, 10-24-2011 10:16 PM
      Looks like you'll need http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+...s/555/80760/10002/-1

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #625, 10-24-2011 11:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

Looks like you'll need http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+...s/555/80760/10002/-1



Interesting! I've never seen one of those. Thanks!


thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #626, 10-28-2011 11:31 AM
      dump the blocked off SC and grab a 3800 intake..it will look way sharper..i too am on the way with a turbo build..cept not in my 86sc car..scored a dirt cheap 84se with a toasted motor..now its just find and buy time for the parts..good luck...tim

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #627, 10-28-2011 03:34 PM
      Yea I agree with the above, it is more work and money involved, but running boost though an open supercharger housing is really restrictive compared to a normal N/A intake, and yes it does look much better IMHO, even with the plastic L36 intake.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #628, 10-29-2011 02:56 AM
      I know somebody with an L32 intake that I can buy. I'm considering it, just trying to do this on a budget right now too. I have a lot more parts coming my way, I really want to gather them all up and make one big post!

Tinkrr MSG #629, 10-29-2011 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

Looks like you'll need http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+...s/555/80760/10002/-1


I have a fin comb just like the one pictured from jegs, bought mine at Princess Auto

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JSzpotek (jszpotek@gmail.com) MSG #630, 10-31-2011 01:34 PM
      Why not just simply jump to the L26 Aluminum intake? As well what turbo did you end up buying!?

 
quote
Originally posted by mattwa:

Yea I agree with the above, it is more work and money involved, but running boost though an open supercharger housing is really restrictive compared to a normal N/A intake, and yes it does look much better IMHO, even with the plastic L36 intake.




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #631, 10-31-2011 09:19 PM
      Thanks Tinkrr, thats much more convenient than Jegs.

I might use a L32 intake manifold, they look nice in there and would probably be more efficient than the blocked off M90 but only time will tell!

I went with a Garrett T3/T04E 60 trim. The same one as on this website:

http://www.spoolinperforman...3to4e-trim-p-32.html

Its the .63 A/R turbine option. Got it used with the Tial wastegate which I had confirmed is authentic from the people at Tial.

I also recently received my DHP powertuner in the mail. Had it working this weekend and was able to get a copy of the bin file from my PCM. So it successfully works! Unfortunately I forgot to take pictures, maybe next week when I'm back home again.

This arrived today though



I found someone with a black faceplate and silver bezel for it to match the rest of my gauges! Should have that in a few weeks. I'm waiting on more parts in the mail for now.



wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #632, 10-31-2011 10:02 PM
      i have an AEM boost controller that i could not get to work as advertised .it made a nice boost gauge but not much else .some one with your back ground could figure it out so if you want it , its yours .send me a PM with your new address .and you are only 90 miles away from me now , we go to london a lot for shopping .you will love having a turbo .

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #633, 10-31-2011 10:36 PM
      Wow thats a generous offer! I'll shoot you a pm and I'd be glad to take it! If you need some parts or something I can help out with, let me know!

JSzpotek (jszpotek@gmail.com) MSG #634, 11-02-2011 12:47 AM
      Nice! Any reasons for not going with a larger turbo? Didnt want to have to wait for it to spool up or?

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I went with a Garrett T3/T04E 60 trim. The same one as on this website:

http://www.spoolinperforman...3to4e-trim-p-32.html





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #635, 11-02-2011 04:31 PM
      I was told that even a larger turbo wouldn't really produce much lag.

However, I went with that one because I found a good price on one used, and it met my power goals. I'm not looking to reverse the direction of rotation of the earth! Just want a little more power and a new project!


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #636, 11-04-2011 02:27 PM
      hey dc4...

I was in the wayback machine earlier today... browsing a thread from 2004... saw this...
man... "you've come a long way, baby"

remember when...



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #637, 11-04-2011 03:30 PM
      Thats a throwback!

I remember sporting that signature back then, good find! Brings back memories of when I first bought the car and how slow it was :P Never would have thought I'd be doing a turbo 3800 down the road


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #638, 11-11-2011 12:12 AM
      Sort of a re-post, but now I have these parts in my possession!

Turbowerks oil scavenge pump:



Flojet pump for water to air intercooler:



Water to air intercooler:



Heat Exchanger:



Another turbo... this one needs a rebuild. Its a turbonetics, I have to find the specs on it, but I think its a T72? Pretty big... I won't be using it right away. Probably just keep it on reserve if I want another option or something..



M90 case with blockoff plate..



Not sure if I'm going to use that or go with an L36 plenum.. We'll see!

(Also, those pumps are bigger than they look. Thats clearly not a real can of pepsi they're sitting on... its a giant cooler shaped like a pepsi can, lol)

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justinchristie MSG #639, 11-11-2011 12:46 PM
      There was some guy with an entire 3800 turbo setup from a buick grand national on kijiji a month or so back, it was in Ontario, but i think it was up near London. I did a quick search but couldn't see it anymore. it was cheap too, like $500 or so for EVERYTHING (engine included)

If I knew you were switching from SC to turbo back then I would have sent it to you.


1988holleyformula MSG #640, 11-11-2011 03:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

(Also, those pumps are bigger than they look. Thats clearly not a real can of pepsi they're sitting on... its a giant cooler shaped like a pepsi can, lol)



Nice! I've never seen anyone else with one of those. My dad has one, and people always thought it was a garbage can since it says "Don't Litter" and "Please Recycle" on it. I recognized it right away from the first picture. lol


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #641, 11-11-2011 06:00 PM
      Justin, thats too bad I guess but not a big deal. I'm not sure how much of that is usuable on the fwd 3.8L

When my turbo set up is all said and done, I hope to have only a modest amount invested. I'm always on the look out for a deal and used parts!

1988holleyformula... I haven't seen too many like that either! I can't remember where I got it from, but it was a while ago.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #642, 11-17-2011 11:46 PM
      Got my AEM Tru Boost controller in the mail from wftb! Thanks bud! What a generous guy!



Also received my LS6 yellow valve springs a while back but forgot to post them up:



With every part, its one step closer


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #643, 11-18-2011 10:38 PM
      How much power will the turbo add to the 2.8? Is it more bang for the buck than a 3800sc?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #644, 11-19-2011 12:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

How much power will the turbo add to the 2.8? Is it more bang for the buck than a 3800sc?


I currently have a 3800SC... ditching the supercharger and going 3800 turbo... I think overall the 3800SC is the best bang for your buck engine. I just want a new project and to learn more about turbos, so I'll be doing the conversion. Should have around 400hp as a ballpark figure. Only time will tell.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #645, 11-19-2011 12:08 PM
      i see. How is your rear spoiler mounted? Does it covers the wing screw holes?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #646, 11-22-2011 05:36 PM
      Which spoiler? The active aero one did not cover the original holes for the fiero wing. It was just an experimental piece so we did not fill in the holes.

The IMSA wing I have on there now doesn't cover the holes either. I had them filled in when I had the decklid/wing painted.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #647, 11-23-2011 02:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Which spoiler? The active aero one did not cover the original holes for the fiero wing. It was just an experimental piece so we did not fill in the holes.

The IMSA wing I have on there now doesn't cover the holes either. I had them filled in when I had the decklid/wing painted.


How is that IMSA wing attached to the car? Are all the screws hidden under the panels?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #648, 11-24-2011 04:45 PM
      Yeah the IMSA wing has 3-4 screws whose heads were encased in the fiberglass. Holes were drilled in the decklid and the threads go through and are secured with nuts on the decklid underside.


JSzpotek (jszpotek@gmail.com) MSG #649, 11-28-2011 05:24 PM
      "Hellaflush"? Lol.

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:






doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #650, 11-29-2011 10:40 PM
      lol, thats one trend I will not ever buy into.

In other news, bought some 60# injectors and they're on the way... bought a BOV as well that just arrived:



Its all coming together nicely... I need some other small odds and ends, plus there will be all of the custom fabrication of the exhaust. Still need to learn to tune too!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #651, 12-11-2011 06:06 PM
      Just wanted to update with a quick shot of my siemens 60# fuel injectors.



The list of things to buy is dwindling.... I also heard that the stock L67 MAF might not work that well with a turbo set up... hmm

Also, does anybody know how many psi the stock l67 MAP sensor is good up until?

I also have this turbontics turbo sitting here.. I think its a bit big... but I don't know.. could work...if I rebuild it...



Just need to find out more specs on it.



wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #652, 12-11-2011 11:01 PM
      if it does not have a lot of bearing slop and looks like it is not blowing oil out the seals , there is no reason to rebuild a turbo .see how it works first , then decide .

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #653, 12-11-2011 11:22 PM
      Definitely has too much shaft play. There is slight contact between the compressor wheel and the housing

InTheLead MSG #654, 12-11-2011 11:31 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by doublec4:

The list of things to buy is dwindling.... I also heard that the stock L67 MAF might not work that well with a turbo set up... hmm

Also, does anybody know how many psi the stock l67 MAP sensor is good up until?



I use a stock 99' GTP MAF and ZZP's fixed frequency mini AFC. Works great, not sure on 'how many PSI' the stock MAF can handle but I have had my turbo 3800 up to 18psi without issue.



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #655, 12-22-2011 04:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:
http://www.caranddriver.com...c-first_drive_review
So thought of your car when I read this on the pot this morning. Especially the part about the wing/air brake system.
Tony


I think the active aero brake on the McLaren looks so cool. Your active wing adds another dimension.


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DoubleC4, bump for news on your active aero setup.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #656, 12-22-2011 04:11 PM
      Thanks for the bump. I returned your pm too.

The active aero set up is currently off the car. It was a fun project and hopefully I'll get to tinker with it again soon. Things just got busy with jobs and moving and all of that. Plus its winter here so the car is in storage.

Maybe sometime next season I'll put it on the car again and try a few more things out!


BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #657, 12-29-2011 12:50 AM
      Do you know the application or part number for the diffuser?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #658, 12-29-2011 02:13 AM
      Unfortunately I don't have a part number or application for the diffuser. However, it was made by "Shine Auto" and they have a website. I searched through it but couldn't find the diffuser that I have. I don't know if its discontinued? As far as I know it was "universal"



BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #659, 12-29-2011 01:11 PM
      That always happens when I find something I like!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #660, 12-29-2011 01:16 PM
      You could contact them, I'm sure they have some still around. If not, and you really, really do like it, I can contact the place I bought it from. They probably still have some? You'd just have to have it shipped from Canada.

L67 (pchaskin@uncc.edu) MSG #661, 12-30-2011 12:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:
I think the active aero brake on the McLaren looks so cool.


Which Mclaren? The fake Mclaren or the real Mclaren?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #662, 01-03-2012 11:32 PM
      Might as well show the work in progress in my build thread as well:

"Flush mount" headlights that bubble up like on the C5R:



















Really happy with the way it looks in the picture so far. Hopefully the surface finish is nice and smooth!

Here's a quick video the CNC guy sent me. Really neat seeing it in progress!



Enjoy!


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #663, 01-07-2012 02:24 PM
      Very interesting process.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #664, 01-08-2012 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Very interesting process.


I hope the process works out. Hopefully I can put together a product thats up to your quality of work! I want people to be happy with the fit and finish.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #665, 01-14-2012 11:57 AM
      Excited to have them in my possession now. They look great and will only require minimal work to have them ready for vacuum forming. I will need to coat them in some kind of epoxy wood hardener and do some light sanding. I have a test piece that I'm going to use.

It was kind of funny when I got the box that he put them in. The box was just some random thing he had in his garage that originally held a home light fixture. The product was called "Flush Mount Fixture" .... strange coincidence!












Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #666, 01-14-2012 04:52 PM
      Looks like a special kind of kitchen chopping block.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #667, 01-15-2012 01:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Looks like a special kind of kitchen chopping block.


My family has become accustomed to where I take pictures of many of my parts/projects. Granite makes a nice backdrop


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #668, 01-15-2012 10:51 AM
      Come to think of it it looks like two cakes fresh ot of the oven.

wee twisted (weetwisted@comcast.net) MSG #669, 01-15-2012 11:04 AM
      yummy

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #670, 01-29-2012 09:41 PM
      Just picked up GoPro HD camera

In the summer I'll be able to get some nice high-def driving video!

I also finalized my choice for sealing the MDF molds... so I should be working on them this week. See how it turns out! I really don't want to ruin them..


unboundmo (unboundmo@aol.com) MSG #671, 02-01-2012 03:53 AM
      Nice work on those fixed headlamps. Can't wait to see how those turn out.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #672, 02-04-2012 04:33 PM
      A little more progress:

Working on sealing the moulds right now. Always hate this part of the project! The point of no return!

Trimmed my beautiful moulds from the excess flashing and now applying the sealant:







Lots and lots of sanding to do. I'm trying to arrange to have a prototype lens made in 2 weeks. We'll see!


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #673, 02-13-2012 10:57 PM
      flip them inside out and you have a couple good looking (and matching) hood vents .

Nice build so far, keep it up.



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #674, 02-13-2012 11:19 PM
      L67, it's a bad comparison, as there hasn't been any active aerodynamics in competitive motorsports since the Chaparral race cars of the 1960's.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #675, 02-17-2012 10:18 PM
      As promised, pictures of the lens forming!

This is the machine we were working with today:



Seemed like a nice, easy unit to use. Only complaint is that the working area is very small. My mould just BARELY fit! Very lucky it did just clear, however.

Here are some PETG sheets along with one of the moulds. Blue protective plastic is removed during the process.



Here are some "learning experience" sheets below. It takes some trial and error to dial in the right heating time and how hot to get the plastic before forming. Some of these reject lenses were used for the "hammer" test to also explore the effect of over heating on the impact resistance of the material. I will post a hammer test video tomorrow



And here are some lenses that went well:





I will get a few more pictures with them popped out of the moulds.

Now here is the slight set back:



During the trial and error process, we tried something that didn't work out so well. Long story short, we were not aware that we were heating up the mould quite a bit. We ended up burning the mould and it required some last minute (and very crude) rework. A "good" lens was still pulled from this mould after it was reworked but it wouldn't meet my expectations for quality to sell it to anyone. So, I will either have to rework the mould more, or have a new one cut. At the very least, the "good" lens I got from it will be used for test fitting etc. since it is dimensionally accurate. The finish is just a little bumpy. Nothing that can't be eventually fixed.

In the end, we got the process dialed in perfect. I will post more pictures in a little while and trim the excess material from the lenses this weekend. So far so good!

(Also, when I refer to "we" in these posts, I had some friends with me who wanted lend a hand. Always helps to have a second and third set of hands and some extra brains for problem solving!)


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #676, 02-17-2012 11:08 PM
      Just a little excited so I pulled out some mock up card board buckets and lights. Threw the lens on top (untrimmed) just to give an idea of how things are shaping up:











And one with a shroud on one of the lights:



Its tough to see the shape of the lens when its clear with no paint. I put them over a black stove so you might be able to see it better:



Can't wait to trim them!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #677, 02-18-2012 02:17 PM
      Check out the "hammer test" video for these lenses I just put up on youtube:



I was very happy with my material selection. As you can see, a very hard blow with a hammer won't even crack these lenses. Keep in mind that was a "failed" lens that was overheated as well. Overheating this plastic will decrease impact resistance. So the actual lenses that were successful would be even stronger. There was also barely even a scuff in the lens from the hammer. I can try and take some pictures of the mark it left. Its hardly noticable so I'm not sure the camera will capture it.

I wish I got a video of my friend stomping on one of these lenses. He was able to pop one "inside out" and then it actually popped right back into place. We were able to eventually crack one with repeated blows with a hammer. We came to the conclusion that unless you drive into a hail storm of hammers, then road debris and rocks should never crack one of these.


FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #678, 02-19-2012 01:22 PM
      Will the heat of the bulbs have any affect to the material properties?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #679, 02-19-2012 05:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroWannaBe:

Will the heat of the bulbs have any affect to the material properties?


I don't think they will heat the lens enough to change its properties, damage, or soften it. While I was doing some research on materials, I found a Corvette guy who sells a very similar kit and he uses the same material for his lenses. Also keep in mind that these lenses are 1/8" thick. Not exactly paper thin so they should be able to withstand heat from the headlights no problem. I'm going to test them out pretty thoroughly before I sell any as well.



PBJ (pbjt@sympatico.ca) MSG #680, 02-19-2012 05:37 PM
      Hey if you want a HID bulb/projetor lens as well as the high beam bulb and lens out of a 2006 SRX lmk. I have them at work and are free if it helps. Will we see you at the Moose on Sunday?

Pete



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #681, 02-19-2012 05:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PBJ:

Hey if you want a HID bulb/projetor lens as well as the high beam bulb and lens out of a 2006 SRX lmk. I have them at work and are free if it helps. Will we see you at the Moose on Sunday?

Pete



pm sent! Thanks Pete


Doober MSG #682, 02-23-2012 02:51 PM
      I just finished reading through the thread... definitely one of my Favorites I've come across so far on the site!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #683, 03-04-2012 10:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doober:

I just finished reading through the thread... definitely one of my Favorites I've come across so far on the site!


Thanks! Flattering compliment.

I'm also one step closer to these headlights now:






Lenses have been trimmed.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #684, 03-24-2012 05:30 PM
      I have a vacuum forming machine built, got some lenses pulled from it and they look good.

I chopped up the extra hood I have today... but I didn't get to take the Fiero out. Turned into one cold rainy day!

Here are some pictures of the trimmed lenses in the headlight holes. They fit really well! You'll have to imagine the lights and buckets underneath until I get a chance to make/mount those. Keep in mind the lenses are just taped in place right now so some of the edges may not be sitting flush with the hood.













This week I'll make more progress on the buckets underneath.


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #685, 03-29-2012 01:53 PM
      Looks good!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #686, 03-31-2012 08:13 PM
      Thanks Amida, hope to have them done soon.

Today I got the car out again for the 2012 season! Pretty excited about it



Also picked up a stock sub box the other day with an aftermarket speaker. Also came with an aftermarket amp. Wired them up today and installed it:



The sub box is covered in black suede, it looks pretty good in there. The sound is better than it was before too. Just a little more bass but not deafening.


Eau_Rouge MSG #687, 04-09-2012 10:53 PM
      Looks good. Did you manage to get it in without pulling the dash?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #688, 05-27-2012 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Eau_Rouge:

Looks good. Did you manage to get it in without pulling the dash?


Yes I did!

In other news, I've been majorly slacking with this build thread.

I have "completed" my dual bixenon projector headlight project. They should be up for sale soon!

Check this thread for the full build:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/087489.html





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #689, 06-09-2012 04:03 PM
     





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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #690, 07-01-2012 07:24 PM
      Some night pictures:




















Just to reiterate, this is with only a single pair of projectors on, 35W bulbs, and 8000K temp bulbs (6000K are the brightest). These were all shot with low beam only!

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #691, 07-01-2012 07:27 PM
      Got my harnesses in from ebay. Hooked them up and its really easy to get all 4 headlights on at the same time:









Its hard to see the separate lights in the pictures, but in person you can easily identify that 4 lights are on. You can also see that the cut off is sharp against the wall.

Tonight I'll see if I can snap more pictures while driving. I can't wait to see how 4 lights function! Should be super bright!

I don't think they'll ever be a need for high beams with this set up, but the lights do have the high beam function for those who want to go from BRIGHT to the power of a thousand suns, lol...


Rugger (schollda@voiceinc-mi.org) MSG #692, 09-26-2012 09:00 PM
      Great build thread! Thoroughly enjoyed the read! And the result is impressive!!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #693, 10-06-2012 05:53 PM
      Thank you!

Haven't added anything to this thread in a while... so..

New option on the headlights I build Can do a variety of colors!





wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #694, 10-11-2012 10:33 PM
      can those rings be used as turn signals ?or are they just reflectors?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #695, 10-11-2012 10:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wftb:

can those rings be used as turn signals ?or are they just reflectors?


They're LEDs, they can be wired into your turn signals if you like!

However, when the projectors are on, they would not be highly visible.


jaybeezi MSG #696, 10-21-2012 05:37 PM
      Looks awesome, has anyone tried painting the lenses the color of the car yet?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #697, 10-21-2012 06:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jaybeezi:

Looks awesome, has anyone tried painting the lenses the color of the car yet?



Thanks for the photoshop! Nicely done.

I haven't seen anyone paint them body color yet, however, Vendetta just bought a set of spare lenses and he plans on painting them body color. He or I can post pictures when they're complete


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #698, 11-24-2012 01:32 AM
      as usual man your car looks better and better every time i see it!

Carswell...Wellscar (matt_13carswell@hotmail.com) MSG #699, 01-07-2013 08:45 PM
      Hey Chris! Any update! Hope the winter is treating you well bud!!
Cheers

Matt


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #700, 01-28-2013 11:11 AM
      Looks good.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #701, 01-28-2013 06:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Looks good.


Thanks! Nice compliment coming from someone who does great work.


eunospeed (eunospeed@msn.com) MSG #702, 01-31-2013 09:43 AM
      Assuming the heavy mech for the factory headlights can be removed? Seems to me the weight savings is a bonus to an already cool upgrade!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #703, 01-31-2013 04:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by eunospeed:

Assuming the heavy mech for the factory headlights can be removed? Seems to me the weight savings is a bonus to an already cool upgrade!


Yes, all of the stock headlight gear is removed. No more motors, brackets, etc. I never did weigh the stock assembly. My lights aren't exactly featherweight either, but there should be some weight loss over stock. Thanks!


mptighe MSG #704, 02-02-2013 05:03 PM
      Curious, do we know how long the lenses will stay clear without clouding or yellowing? WHat do you recommend to keep this from happening, and will you sell replacement lenses cheaper for people if they need them?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #705, 02-03-2013 02:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mptighe:

Curious, do we know how long the lenses will stay clear without clouding or yellowing? WHat do you recommend to keep this from happening, and will you sell replacement lenses cheaper for people if they need them?


I think that will depend a lot on the conditions that the lenses are exposed to. I am using a brand name and apparently "UV resistant" PETG plastic to make the lenses, so they should hold up to weathering quite well. Unfortunately, I do not have a R&D department behind me that can estimate exactly how long they will last out in the sun. I do currently sell replacement lenses if people need them. I have been offering them for $60 a pair which is pretty cheap in my opinion considering the time it takes to make them. Thanks for the question!



85sliverGT (zymogenesyst@hotmail.com) MSG #706, 02-03-2013 08:04 AM
      If you have a junk one maybe it would be beneficial to leave it outside, on your roof or somewhere with lots of direct sunlight. Just to see what happens.

The lights are awesome, your car is awesome. I'm exited to see what you come up with this year


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #707, 02-03-2013 03:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85sliverGT:

If you have a junk one maybe it would be beneficial to leave it outside, on your roof or somewhere with lots of direct sunlight. Just to see what happens.

The lights are awesome, your car is awesome. I'm exited to see what you come up with this year


Thanks, I'll definitely give that a try. I have a few spares with defects that will make good test pieces sitting outside.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #708, 02-21-2013 08:28 PM
      Since the lights in my car were prototypes, I'm putting together another kit for myself that better represents the newest REV2 version of these lights.

Just got the buckets and brackets powder coated by a member on here, OneQuickGT, and they look awesome! I would definitely recommend powder coating the buckets and brackets for the best results and a durable coating.









doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #709, 03-19-2013 09:12 PM
      Updates are few and far between, but I try and make them worth it!

LED tail lights for the notchback with strobe function activated by remote for the parking lights:



They look tinted with the lights off:



Strobing video:



They will be for sale on the forum here with my headlight kits, as well as on my website



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #710, 03-19-2013 09:33 PM
      Also, I designed some brackets to put C5 Corvette front calipers on the front of my Fiero. I will be switching my Lebaron fronts to the rear and installing a proportioning valve. I've done a few calculations and I may not need to adjust the bias but we'll see with some testing.

This is what the bracket will look like:



Here is one of them cut. I also cut the stand offs (not pictured). I'm considering having them welded to the main bracket but I would have to take it somewhere for that (6061 aluminum)



This is my CNC machine cutting them:



If I had to do it again, I wouldn't machine them on my machine. It's actually a CNC Router not a mill. For one offs it worked well though.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #711, 03-22-2013 06:32 AM
      Clutch bleeding made easy:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #712, 03-29-2013 12:36 AM
      Got my Corvette front brake brackets blasted and then TIG welded. Tomorrow I'm going to paint them and then hopefully get them on the car this weekend!







doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #713, 03-29-2013 09:26 PM
      Painted my aluminum brackets... aluminum.

Just wanted to seal them up and prevent any possible corrosion. Plus its shinier aluminum. Who doesn't like shiny things.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #714, 03-30-2013 05:59 PM
      Brakes fit great so far:



Just have to grind off some of the front of the caliper to clear my wheels. The shape of my spokes is causing the issue, not the actual inner diameter of the wheel. Maybe it's time for some new wheels soon

Calipers after grinding (obviously going to repaint before final install)



Making progress


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #715, 04-02-2013 09:26 PM
      Just a foreword to this post. If you're thinking about doing this brake swap, every application is different. Some may be very straightforward, and with others you may need to get creative. I really like my wheels (which are causing the fitment issues with the brakes) so I'm coming up with a few work arounds (ie. caliper grinding, the following adapters)....

So I took an adequate amount of material off the caliper but I just wasn't comfortable with only being able to slide a business card between the caliper and wheel. I've seen plenty of cars come that way from the factory, but I'd rather not chance it.

Ended up buying a pair of 5mm wheel spacers. Since I previously did the Lebaron swap, I have longer wheel studs up front anyways.

The problem I ran into was that with the thick rotors + the wheel spacers, my wheel rings no longer contacted the center bore of the hub. The outer diameter is too large to fit inside of the spacer, and even if it could, it would still not sit inside the wheel properly (too recessed). I still wanted to have the wheel nice and centered while I torqued the lugs down so I had to come up with another adapter ring that my wheel rings could snap onto.

In the following pictures you can see the wheel spacer (black), the wheel centering ring (red) and the adapter I designed. Think of the adapter as an extension of the center bore on the hub. It has a recess on the inside that snaps onto the center bore. Looking at it now, it will actually serve two purposes. It will center my wheel and the spacer. Another 3D printed part to the rescue!







RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #716, 04-03-2013 06:33 PM
      Thanx for the video, and nice job on the brakes.

Bob


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #717, 04-04-2013 10:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Thanx for the video, and nice job on the brakes.

Bob


Thank you Bob!

Painted the new calipers today. They look nice in red, and I have to say that I did a really nice job with the angle grinder. With paint on there, you can't even tell material was taken off.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #718, 04-06-2013 09:54 AM
      The ironic thing is that after reading your posts, I bought some salvage yard wheels to get the car rolling. They hit my calipers, like yours. I'm running a 13" rotor, using LS Camaro calipers.

I will be getting spacers to get it rolling again.

Bob


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #719, 04-06-2013 03:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

The ironic thing is that after reading your posts, I bought some salvage yard wheels to get the car rolling. They hit my calipers, like yours. I'm running a 13" rotor, using LS Camaro calipers.

I will be getting spacers to get it rolling again.

Bob


Spacers are definitely quick and easy. Grinding the calipers can work depending on how much contact there is.

Do you have an 88 or 84-87?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #720, 04-06-2013 06:58 PM
      It's an 84, with 88 front suspension. As it turns out, my calipers need to be tucked in closer to the hub. I'll have to remake my brackets and add about an 1/8" spacer to the wheel hub.

Bob


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #721, 04-07-2013 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

It's an 84, with 88 front suspension. As it turns out, my calipers need to be tucked in closer to the hub. I'll have to remake my brackets and add about an 1/8" spacer to the wheel hub.

Bob


Sounds good, I saw your post about your brakes in the general section. They look great!

This is where I got to today:



Test fit with the wheels on as well and they clear now. I also turned lock to lock and there is no contact. All in all a great success. Just need to bleed them!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #722, 04-08-2013 07:54 AM
      Look pretty good, and thanx for the comments.

What size wheels will you be using?

Bob

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #723, 04-08-2013 06:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Look pretty good, and thanx for the comments.

What size wheels will you be using?

Bob



17" Enkei RPF1 replicas



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #724, 04-14-2013 08:32 PM
      Bled the brakes today, bled the clutch, and started it up for the first time this season. If you haven't been using speed bleeder screws to bleed your brakes you've been missing out. Unfortunately my speed bleeder screw for the slave is still on it's way from Rodney, but I'm sure it won't be the last time I have to bleed that clutch!

New brakes look awesome. Can't wait to take it out for an actual run this week.

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jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #725, 04-15-2013 01:41 AM
      Looks great !! What are you doing for the rear brakes?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #726, 04-15-2013 05:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jb1:

Looks great !! What are you doing for the rear brakes?



Thank you,

I originally had the Lebaron 11.25" swap all around, so I took the front brakes and moved them to the back. They were the calipers from an 85 camaro I believe and came with the slightly bigger piston than the rears (85 seville).

They should be a good match compared to the front calipers in terms of balance. Unfortunately they do not have any mechanism for an e-brake but mine never worked anyways. I'm going to look into potentially using a spot caliper.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #727, 04-15-2013 06:49 AM
     



Bob


unboundmo (unboundmo@aol.com) MSG #728, 05-05-2013 02:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Updates are few and far between, but I try and make them worth it!

LED tail lights for the notchback with strobe function activated by remote for the parking lights:



They look tinted with the lights off:



Strobing video:



They will be for sale on the forum here with my headlight kits, as well as on my website




DUDE!!! What tF.. All I can say is SICK... How did you do those? The look of them looks great! I don't need all the show.. Just the look
What's the website?

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #729, 05-05-2013 08:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by unboundmo:
DUDE!!! What tF.. All I can say is SICK... How did you do those? The look of them looks great! I don't need all the show.. Just the look
What's the website?



Thanks!

Basically I cut a new red lens and have an LED panel behind it. The website is www.embraceracing.com

I have them listed on the website but they're not for sale yet. I'm actually going to be changing them up a little bit and offering them as a DIY kit. All you would need to know how to do is solder. Pretty simple! Plus it will keep the price really low for everyone interested.

Stay tuned


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #730, 05-16-2013 11:10 PM
     

SPEC 3+ clutch...

Getrag F23 swap happening this weekend by DARN cars (FIEROFLYER)

Can't wait! Picked up the transmission tonight, even has an LSD installed in it.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #731, 06-01-2013 04:32 PM
      F23 Getrag now in and it drives great!

Can't wait for the clutch break in period to end so I can test out the LSD



Rare87GT (rare88@cox.net) MSG #732, 06-02-2013 02:18 AM
      Did anyone get around to painting the headlights you make so we could see what it looks like with the same color as the body?



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #733, 06-02-2013 09:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rare87GT:

Did anyone get around to painting the headlights you make so we could see what it looks like with the same color as the body?



Not that I'm aware of. I have to rework my molds and I will be making my headlights again very soon, maybe somebody in the next batch will!


Rare87GT (rare88@cox.net) MSG #734, 06-02-2013 12:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


Not that I'm aware of. I have to rework my molds and I will be making my headlights again very soon, maybe somebody in the next batch will!

What happens if you leave the entire molded piece all clear instead of painting them at all? Can that be done or is it tacky with wiring, etc behind the projector? I just don't know if I like the painted look. Might look into your headlight kit, I'm just so partial to the completely flush look. Your care is amazing though, looks really good man. Just went through the entire build.


jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #735, 06-03-2013 01:38 AM
      DoubleC4, I was looking at my headlight lens today and had a question, how hard and is there enough room to mold the outer edges down around the metal housing and help fill the gap around the headlight and the hood? Or would that require to much?
I still need new set of lens when available..



jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #736, 06-03-2013 01:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rare87GT:

What happens if you leave the entire molded piece all clear instead of painting them at all? Can that be done or is it tacky with wiring, etc behind the projector? I just don't know if I like the painted look. Might look into your headlight kit, I'm just so partial to the completely flush look. Your care is amazing though, looks really good man. Just went through the entire build.


you would see the wiring and the edges of the enclosure....
I am very excited about installing mine until I messed up lens painting them.... next set will be painted by someone else that knows what they are doing...



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #737, 06-04-2013 06:44 PM
      I would definitely paint the lenses. Leaving them unpainted would expose the wiring and the back of the projectors.

The problem with forming the lenses down around the edges is that the plastic I use is quite thick. When you try and crease it, it leaves a very distorted looking edge. It doesn't remain optically clear and looks questionable. The other problem is that I use my CNC machine to trim the lenses. It would be impossible to trim them sideways with the CNC router.

I will have more lenses ready soon. It has taken a lot longer than expected, but I'm looking into better options that will improve quality (aluminum molds). Don't worry, I won't leave you guys stranded!


NUC19882M6 (tcunningham_84@live.com) MSG #738, 06-04-2013 07:00 PM
      Might I recommend Plasti-Dip.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #739, 06-06-2013 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NUC19882M6:

Might I recommend Plasti-Dip.


That's actually a good idea unless you go to remove the velcro. It will peel off the plasti-dip paint unfortunately.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #740, 06-15-2013 09:53 PM
      Latest pictures

Parking lights:





Brake/Turn:











Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #741, 06-18-2013 09:59 PM
      That's cool.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #742, 06-20-2013 12:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

That's cool.


Thank you!

I will be making them available to purchase soon


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #743, 06-20-2013 05:56 PM
      You have made some crazy stuff for fieros very inventive!!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #744, 08-20-2013 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IVANNATINKLE:

You have made some crazy stuff for fieros very inventive!!


Thanks!

So I recently put red LED's in my instrument panel... now all of my gauges are red





I also got a speeding ticket, yay! and a new camera





GADJet MSG #745, 08-21-2013 11:51 PM
      flows very well with your car brother...

Doober MSG #746, 09-18-2013 09:39 PM
      Went back through and did some more reading... looks great I was wondering how body color would look myself, considering your headlights in the future, body color for mine, maybe throw the original 'Pontiac' name/script on the left housing.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #747, 09-19-2013 09:11 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys!

I would really love to see a set of the lights painted body color, so if you're interested in ordering we'll be in touch!

Lately, I've done a few more things to the car...

I got the rear decklid and wing repainted. I also painted the rear engine vents myself:



I also had the front lip patched back up, and I painted that too:



I've also been putting together a more finalized version of my headlight kit for myself since I've had my prototype set installed for a long time now. The prototype set was a little rough around the edges and I wanted to do a set properly for myself.

First, I had all of the sheet metal pieces powder coated in black. I would highly recommend powder coating for anyone who buys a kit. Find a local guy to do it for you and it shouldn't cost that much.





I also ripped out all of the old wiring since it was a bit of a rats nest. I originally threw together a harness quickly because I was excited to get the lights working. This time I'm going to do things right. I started off by making a bracket to which all of the ballasts and relay harnesses will mount to.



This is as far as I got today. I'm waiting for a few other electrical connectors to arrive, and I have to make / paint a new set of lenses for myself. My original prototype lenses were hand cut, where as the new ones are CNC cut.

Thanks for looking!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #748, 10-16-2013 11:14 PM
      Got the headlights back in, wiring is much cleaner than last time, however, it could still be better. I still haven't made myself new lenses, so the old lenses are being used.

Also fixed my steering wheel, it had never been perfectly straight when the car was tracking straight. Annoyed me for the longest time and I finally got around to fixing that.







doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #749, 11-03-2013 11:46 AM
      A while back I made some LED tail lights for my Fiero. I posted some pictures in a thread and they seemed to be well received. I thought they turned out pretty well too and I was going to start selling them if people wanted.

Then I had a few requests from members to make a sequential set up for the LED tail lights. I ended up delaying the release of the lights, and taking on this new challenge. I also wanted to make the whole package more professional looking so I designed some boards and had them made. I recently received the boards for the sequential controller and soldered them up. They work great! I also have some custom boards I designed coming for the LED panels too.

Take a look:





Here's a video with an explanation/demonstration:



This board is for the notchback lights (brake/turn combined into one LED panel)

I also have boards designed for the GT lights and they're coming soon!

The whole process takes a while, but I'm happy with how everything is turning out so far and how these lights have evolved.

If you have any questions, let me know


NetCam MSG #750, 11-05-2013 08:42 PM
      Can't wait to see how they come out, keep the pictures coming!

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #751, 11-16-2013 08:59 PM
      Cant wait to see how the lights are done and installed on a gt. definitely on my wish list.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #752, 11-25-2013 10:33 PM
      Thanks guys, I posted some more progress and pictures about a week ago in my thread in the general section. I thought I should add them here for the records:

I managed to finish the brake/turn section of the notch back panel (prototype). The LEDs used for this prototype are generic piranha superflux. They are not the brand name, higher quality LEDs that I will be using for all of the kits. I just didn't want to waste them on a prototype if I didn't have too. Turns out these ones look extremely bright even behind very hazy tail light lenses that I use for prototyping.

Take a look:








I am using secondary optics to enhance the appearance and size of the LEDs. It definitely makes the lights appear larger.

The controller board fits nice and snug behind the panel and out of sight:



You can see a lot of wires that I had to run for the prototype. The actual production versions will have a PCB panel for the brake/turn lights and a ribbon cable will be run to the terminals for clean wiring.

Since I didn't get the parking lights done on this set, you can see what they look like on the last set I made. They will remain identical:



Video:




If you see any "skips" in the LED sequence, it's because I'm connecting and disconnecting the circuit by hand. When your flasher does it, obviously it will work flawlessly.




DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #753, 11-26-2013 06:01 PM
      That is amazing work! You are a genius. I love to see all your fabrication skills, I wish I could have hired you to help me build my AD355. Can I ask what you do for a living? Because its clear that you are extremely talented in technology and engineering.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #754, 11-26-2013 07:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:

That is amazing work! You are a genius. I love to see all your fabrication skills, I wish I could have hired you to help me build my AD355. Can I ask what you do for a living? Because its clear that you are extremely talented in technology and engineering.



Thanks, that's a great compliment!

I'm actually an engineer. I took automotive engineering in school and I design industrial machinery at the moment. I'm always trying to learn something new and expand my skill set


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #755, 11-27-2013 05:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


Thanks, that's a great compliment!

I'm actually an engineer. I took automotive engineering in school and I design industrial machinery at the moment. I'm always trying to learn something new and expand my skill set


You're welcome! I enjoy your projects.


I am glad to here you are working in your field. Too many talented people end up not using their skills.

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Luke (lukehanus@yahoo.com) MSG #756, 01-05-2014 12:33 PM
      Love the projects always a good read.

Also glad someone finally made something hubcentric(for the wheel) for pre 87 cars with brake upgrades. I had a similar idea but the white adapter and hubcentric ring were all 1 piece. Never built it because I got into 88s. My dads has an 87 that I'll be upgrading. Any interest in making a 1piece part?

How are you liking the f23 compared to the non htob fiero trans? I drove Pete's and the clutch pedal feel was 1000x better. Trying to decide whether to hurry with the swap or wait till my 282 blows


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #757, 01-05-2014 03:24 PM
      Ever think of making the headlights for a mk2 mr2

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #758, 01-05-2014 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Luke:

Love the projects always a good read.

Also glad someone finally made something hubcentric(for the wheel) for pre 87 cars with brake upgrades. I had a similar idea but the white adapter and hubcentric ring were all 1 piece. Never built it because I got into 88s. My dads has an 87 that I'll be upgrading. Any interest in making a 1piece part?

How are you liking the f23 compared to the non htob fiero trans? I drove Pete's and the clutch pedal feel was 1000x better. Trying to decide whether to hurry with the swap or wait till my 282 blows


I should be able to make a 1 piece part soon (in any size required for any custom set up). Let me know if you need something specific and I can make it.

The F23 is amazing compared to the stock 4 spd. I wish I would have done this right from the start. Much smoother shifting, and no grinding when shifting into reverse.


 
quote
Originally posted by IVANNATINKLE:

Ever think of making the headlights for a mk2 mr2



Thought about it many, many times. I just need a car to use to mock things up with. I'm sure I could come up with something!

I also have more good news to report about the notchback LED tail lights.

The LED boards for the notchback came in and they look great! I was able to solder one today and hook it up to the sequential controller and they work very nicely.

These are the LEDs on the board:



Then with the reflectors pressed into place:





This is what it looks like on the front side connected to the main panel:



This is the back side:





I've also been using my spare time to solder up the controller boards so they'll be ready when I put the kits up for sale:



I should be ordering the GT LED boards soon as well.




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #759, 01-06-2014 11:08 PM
      A few more pictures





Video:



Keep in mind that it looks much more "crisp" in person. The video is over exposed and washed out. In real life the LEDs don't bleed into one another like in the video. I'll have to see if I can capture it better with another camera.

In the second part of the video, you'll notice the parking light cancellation feature. Basically, when the brake lights or turn signal are activated, the parking lights will be automatically deactivated for the duration of the brake/turn signal. They will automatically resume once the brake/turn signal is off. This feature will be included on all of the controller boards but you do not have to use it. You can bypass it if you like the traditional look of the parking lights remaining on.

Thanks for looking!


Zeak MSG #760, 01-08-2014 02:09 PM
      Very slick LED's and you cars overall look is great.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #761, 01-16-2014 12:37 PM
      I like it.

IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #762, 01-23-2014 07:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


Thought about it many, many times. I just need a car to use to mock things up with. I'm sure I could come up with something!




I wish you were closer I'd let you use mine I'm not going to be needing it for about 6/9 months. **** , again great work



kwagner MSG #763, 02-04-2014 12:06 PM
      Man, those are some slick ideas. I like it I'll have to talk with you about some lights for my project after it gets underway.

Have you done any work with reverse lights yet? Maybe I missed it, I didn't check all the pages.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #764, 02-09-2014 01:41 PM
      Thanks guys,

The reverse lights are eliminated with these tail lights. However, they can be relocated to the rear bumper as many have done before. There is another forum member that sells LED reverse lights that replace the reflectors in the rear bumper. I may have my own solution in a few months time as well.

LED GT tail lights will be shown soon too


Matthew_Fiero (matthewfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #765, 03-11-2014 06:13 PM
      Chris, you car sucks!

Haha joking! Looking good so far!


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #766, 10-15-2014 10:49 PM
      Bump updates?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #767, 10-18-2014 12:33 PM
      Not too many updates for my car. I finished the LED tail lights a while back and I've been enjoying those:







I also finished the GT LED tail lights and have sold a few of them:



And I'm resurrecting the drop spindle project:



I have a few other things in mind that I'm working on, but I will reveal them as I go along

Thanks for checking back!



ericjon262 MSG #768, 10-27-2014 08:48 PM
      are your drop spindles being designed for "bolt on" application, or with brake upgrades in mind?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #769, 11-15-2014 08:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:

are your drop spindles being designed for "bolt on" application, or with brake upgrades in mind?


Spindles will be bolt on, however, since the stock calipers will bolt on, so will adapters that will allow you to upgrade to better brakes

In other news...

I will be releasing another product shortly...

There are quite a few hood vent options for the Fiero, however, most of them require a lot of body work and repaint etc. This can get pretty costly and time consuming so I wanted to come up with a solution with the following requirements:

- Can be installed in an afternoon (fairly easily)
- Entire installation and product cost less than $200
- Looks aggressive but appropriate for the Fiero
- Functional
- Spare tire compartment remains sealed and unmodified.

I ended up making these custom aluminum vents that flow with the lines of the hood, and fit nicely in the front section to relieve pressure build up at high speeds.







They are made entirely from aluminum and then powdercoated black.

You will need to simply cut two holes in your hood, drill the mounting holes, and rivet the vent into place. In this case I used normal aluminum rivets, but you can also find black rivets to make them blend in. The vents actually somewhat match the vents at the back of the car and really do a nice job of letting the pressure out at high speeds.





I will try and get more pictures tomorrow. It gets dark around here pretty early now that it's winter.

They will be for sale shortly on my website. Feel free to post any questions you might have!


falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #770, 11-15-2014 11:42 PM
      Very nice job as usual.

If you ever think about making this grill for commercial purpose let me know.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #771, 11-16-2014 12:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by falcon_ca:

Very nice job as usual.

If you ever think about making this grill for commercial purpose let me know.



Thanks! Pm sent


ericjon262 MSG #772, 11-16-2014 12:39 AM
      can you weld fasteners to the underside of the grill so they are concealed?

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #773, 11-16-2014 09:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:

can you weld fasteners to the underside of the grill so they are concealed?


They would have to be aluminum fasteners. Also, the radius of the weld around the stud would have to be tightly controlled so that you could counter-sink the holes in the hood. Otherwise the vent will not sit flush with the hood because the weld would interfere.

It could be done but I don't think it would be ideal for this situation. I understand that exposed fasteners are not for everyone, however, I do feel that it gives it that more of that race look. You can always paint the heads of the fasteners, get black ones, or even get your fasteners anodized if you're using aluminum rivets. It would help hide them.


falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #774, 11-16-2014 12:21 PM
      Do you think it could be installed with 3M double sided tape ? If it il well done it is pretty reliable an avoid any piercing.

The cowl induction scoop on my hood is installed with 3M tape. I used their "promoter".






doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #775, 11-16-2014 12:36 PM
      Well you would still have to cut the holes or else the vent won't sit in the hood. The louvers sit below the mounting flange, but you could use the double sided tape under the flange I guess. It would just stick up too much in my opinion.

ericjon262 MSG #776, 11-16-2014 06:38 PM
      if you produce them, I would be interested in one, raw aluminum no holes drilled depending on price.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #777, 11-23-2014 06:10 PM
      Thanks ericjon, I will be producing them shortly!

Just a few more pictures for the records:



















As you can see, it looks pretty good from the underside in my opinion. It also sits nice and flat to the hood, no lifting edges.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #778, 02-17-2015 10:15 PM
      Lately I've been playing around with my 3D printer...

I really like the look of the four point LED DRL on many of the new Porsche's so I decided to draw some inspiration from their design. I'm thinking of replacing my outer projectors with these DRL projectors I've made. I would need to smooth out the print and then paint them silver / chrome to match my inner projector shrouds.







Still a concept at the moment but I should have them completed by spring / summer



Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #779, 02-18-2015 10:18 AM
      If you aren't tight dimensionally, have you looked into using a acetone vapor bath? I've seen some good smooth results. This is assuming you are printing with abs

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #780, 02-18-2015 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tusch:

If you aren't tight dimensionally, have you looked into using a acetone vapor bath? I've seen some good smooth results. This is assuming you are printing with abs


That's exactly what I'll be doing. I've printed these in ABS for that reason


firstclassfiero (firstclassjerk@hotmail.com) MSG #781, 02-21-2015 09:03 PM
      How hard would it be to mount a vent like that under the hood and have it glued in so the hardware isn't showing? looks cool but would be a little too "industrial" for my vision.
Awesome build by the way. one of my favorite notchies that i have seen.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #782, 02-21-2015 09:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by firstclassfiero:

How hard would it be to mount a vent like that under the hood and have it glued in so the hardware isn't showing? looks cool but would be a little too "industrial" for my vision.
Awesome build by the way. one of my favorite notchies that i have seen.


Anything is possible. The challenge would be mounting it with fasteners underneath that do not penetrate through the top side of the hood.

If you mount it on top and use black rivets they would barely be noticeable. Something to consider. This is what I was going to do initially but could wait for the fasteners to come in. Lack of patience got the better of me, but it turns out I like the aluminum rivets. Looks very business like.


firstclassfiero (firstclassjerk@hotmail.com) MSG #783, 02-22-2015 08:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:
Lack of patience got the better of me


I know that feeling all to well.i actually found some pictures of a C6 with similar vents and black hardware that did change my perspective. I guess I would just have to see it on a Fiero to be sure.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #784, 04-15-2015 09:01 PM
      Not much else new lately. Got the car out of the garage and cleaned it up for this season.

Put some new tires on front + rear and I've been having fun with my 3D printer. Made some wheel center caps (never had any before)





Also, some big news. Purchased my first home and it has a 3 car garage (which is a luxury in the city of Toronto) Next winter I can finally tear the engine out and start my turbo build!


TXOPIE (tx.opie@gmail.com) MSG #785, 04-15-2015 09:30 PM
      Congratulations!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #786, 04-22-2015 10:08 PM
      Just out and about









doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #787, 05-13-2015 10:04 PM
      A little more progress on the programmable LED day time running lights that I was making with my 3D printer.

I finished up the PCBs to run the lights and they work great. Easy to program and it's a nice custom effect on start up.



I'm in the process of moving so I'm trying to keep the projects simple for the time being.



Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #788, 05-16-2015 12:34 PM
      Nice work.

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Just out and about



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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #789, 05-16-2015 11:22 PM
      Thanks Amida,

Just tinkering until I move into my new garage





[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 05-16-2015).]

Scooter_86gt MSG #790, 07-08-2015 12:22 PM
      Those look awesome!

I want to order your flush mount kit from your website. Let me know if your are settled from your move and building them again or if you are still in transition.

Thanks!


FieroJuice (fierojuice@gmail.com) MSG #791, 12-24-2015 09:41 PM
      Bump. Hope the pics change from little red Xs...

FieroFastBackL67 (sugarshayne@hotmail.com) MSG #792, 12-26-2015 12:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Thanks Amida,

Just tinkering until I move into my new garage










Super cool I love it!!

[This message has been edited by FieroFastBackL67 (edited 12-26-2015).]

FieroJuice (fierojuice@gmail.com) MSG #793, 12-26-2015 10:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroJuice:

Bump. Hope the pics change from little red Xs...



They did. Well worth the wait. Congrats on your build & progress. Thanks for sharing it.


Did you ever produce the hood vents? IThey would would probably look cool on my black Formula (besides the functionality).

MJ



ericjon262 MSG #794, 12-30-2015 12:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:





any updates on this? for the time being, I'm interested in purchasing a set.


FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #795, 12-31-2015 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:


any updates on this? for the time being, I'm interested in purchasing a set.


Me as well.
I'm rebuilding a car the needs some...


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #796, 02-06-2016 09:37 PM
      Thanks for the comments guys. The drop spindle project didn't really go anywhere, and I don't see it going anywhere in the future. Long story short, unless I have the machines to machine these myself, I can't make a profit off of them. I have probably 500lbs of castings here that are a waste. If somebody wants to buy all of them, be my guest. I already reverse engineered the spindles and have proper drawings for them with manufacturing dimensions and tolerances.

So there comes a point in many Fiero owners' lives when they have to drop the engine.... I just moved into a new house and I have more garage space now. I recently built a nice gantry crane and I wanted to put it to use.

Here is the unsuspecting victim:



And then it just happened:











The picture that everyone HAS to get when they drop the cradle:





I'll be building a new exhaust and I have an assortment of other goodies here (roller rockers, N* TB) and the big thing is to get this thing to stop leaking!



Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #797, 02-06-2016 11:30 PM
      Please tell me you aren't using the trunk latch to lift the rear end! It is not designed for the load.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #798, 02-07-2016 01:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Neils88:

Please tell me you aren't using the trunk latch to lift the rear end! It is not designed for the load.


Most definitely not.

I drilled two holes into the wall that divides the engine bay / trunk and used two M12 fasteners to bolt a piece of 1/8" wall 2"x2" square tube to that wall. There is a large lifting eye bolted to the square tube. I can get a picture tomorrow.

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 02-07-2016).]

wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #799, 02-07-2016 10:04 AM
      I dont remember exactly , but I think I paid around 700.00 US for my street dreams drop spindles .Don't base your pricing on what you pay for run of the mill drop spindles for high volume cars . These are low volume runs at a premium price and people (like me obviously) are willing to pay what they are worth .With the drop in the CDN dollar you have a 40% premium coming to you from US customers that may make it profitable to do this .The only other drop spindles available for fieros is based on the 88 rear hub and is failure prone from what I have read .Love the stuff you are doing , keep up the great work .

ericjon262 MSG #800, 02-07-2016 10:51 AM
      PM sent.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #801, 02-07-2016 04:10 PM
      This is what I did to lift the rear:





It worked very well and I was even able to lift the rear of the car with the engine/cradle still in place from this point. I couldn't get a floor jack under the car + the pallet jack to lower the cradle onto the pallet jack. Not a single creak or moan lifting like this.

Edit: The tear in the trunk seal was already there before lifting from this point. The hook + chain will not damage the seal.

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 02-07-2016).]

Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #802, 02-07-2016 09:32 PM
      Might want to add a small clamping plate on the bolt head side just to ensure they don't tear through since you're still just lifting with sheet metal...but definitely much stronger/safer than using the trunk latch. Thanks for the pic!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #803, 03-22-2016 09:54 AM
      Other than some more disassembly, things were going pretty slow... then I was told I might be able to get my car in a wind tunnel but it has to be back on the road by the end of the month... so now I'm working against the clock!

Valve springs are in, roller rockers will be put in last to make sure they are well lubricated before I fire the engine back up for the first time. Valve covers have been repainted wrinkle red. Waiting on lots of parts in the mail for my new exhaust!

You can watch my adventure in valve spring removal and replacement here + I show the quick and easy tool I made for the spring removal / installation.



ericjon262 MSG #804, 03-23-2016 01:35 AM
      while your valve spring tool does work, I would not recommend that method on an aluminum head engine, because it would probably pull the threads. if you used a stud and nut instead, you would be fine in aluminum because you would have full engagement before loading.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #805, 03-23-2016 08:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:

while your valve spring tool does work, I would not recommend that method on an aluminum head engine, because it would probably pull the threads. if you used a stud and nut instead, you would be fine in aluminum because you would have full engagement before loading.



I suppose the potential for that happening is there, however, here is how I see it... The typical design rule I use for threading into aluminum is to have minimum twice the bolt diameter in thread engagement (when being torqued). When I thread the bolt into the head before I start compressing the spring, I was probably around 1 times the diameter in engagement. The socket is being used as the fulcrum of the tool, and the spring is at the outmost end. It is a 90lbs / in spring I believe. At the most, it would have been compressed about an inch, so it would be applying 90lbs upwards. The bolt being halfway between the spring and the fulcrum would have to apply twice the force downwards to counter the spring... so about 180lbs at most, and at this point it would be threaded into the head at twice the diameter of the bolt.

The bolt is a 5/16th socket head cap screw which is min. grade 8 bolt, probably better. At the recommended torque, it will apply 4720 lbs of preload on a joint... maybe if threaded into aluminum the torque is cut in half and so is the preload... so even conservatively say when threaded into aluminum it applies 2500lbs of preload. The 180lbs required to compress the spring is less than a tenth of that approximately... theoretically those threads shouldnt pull.


ericjon262 MSG #806, 03-23-2016 10:57 AM
      Main reason I mention it, people frequently strip the rocker threads on aluminum 60V6 heads with full thread engagement, not saying it will happen, just that it is very possible if you're not careful.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #807, 03-23-2016 11:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ericjon262:

Main reason I mention it, people frequently strip the rocker threads on aluminum 60V6 heads with full thread engagement, not saying it will happen, just that it is very possible if you're not careful.


Absolutely. Any threading and torqueing into aluminum should be done with care. Stripped or pulled threads in a head would ruin anyone's day


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #808, 04-10-2016 01:56 AM
      Had more time to work on the engine today... dropped the oil pan and to my pleasant surprise everything looked pretty decent. For some reason I was expecting to see a lot more metal in the pan and on the oil pick up screen... but it was all very clean. Waiting on the oil pick up tube gasket (Coming in Monday) and then I can put the new oil pan gasket in and button it all down.

The rest of the day I had some time to work on my new exhaust (and practice my TIG welding skills). This is only my third time picking up the TIG torch (so be kind with the welding critique) so I was bit nervous to take the chop saw to my brand new front/rear Plogs from ZZP. I have to modify them to eliminate the crossover and the EGR tube.

On the rear Plog I chopped and capped the crossover:



On the front Plog I chopped the crossover tube, rotated it and welded it pointing downwards:




I also chopped the flared flange and welded it right to the two bolt flange. A little difficult to see in this picture, I should have taken the picture with the manifold off of the engine.



Other than that, I just welded a flex pipe to one of my bullet resonators in preparation for another day where I can start fitting up the rest of the exhaust:



I can't wait to hear how different this thing is going to sound...




zmcdonal MSG #809, 04-15-2016 08:00 PM
      Are you building a true dual setup? Curious to see what your plans are, and how it sounds.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #810, 04-16-2016 01:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by zmcdonal:

Are you building a true dual setup? Curious to see what your plans are, and how it sounds.


Well... crossover is eliminated, but they will merge back up 2 into 1. After that they are going to exit through one of my side scoops... so side exit exhaust but just not down at the rocker


mr_corean MSG #811, 04-17-2016 05:55 AM
      Pm sent .

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #812, 04-17-2016 10:45 PM
      Changed out the oil pan gasket yesterday, buttoned it all back down. Hopefully that takes care of the major leak. I don't see it coming from anywhere else but time will tell...

Had a chance to do more exhaust fabrication today. I'd share pictures but photobucket is down right now... I'll add them when it's back up


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #813, 04-18-2016 06:14 PM
      Looks like photobucket is back up and working...

This is the 2 - 1 transition piece:



And here are some of my newb TIG welds







I don't have a back purging set up so there was some sugaring of the welds on the inside. I was able to get in there with a die grinder and clean it all up.

Picture of inside before clean up... you can see the sugaring, but you can also see the cuts I had to make. You can also see how the 3" tube goes from circular to shaped like an "8"





doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #814, 04-18-2016 08:31 PM
     

Cleaned up the valve covers and gave them the wrinkle red treatment.

I've also removed the door panels and will be repainting the vinyl and replacing the carpet section with the microsuede panels I bought from Russ a long while back. Pictures to come.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #815, 04-22-2016 11:53 PM
      Found some pictures of the other flange I did:





Tomorrow will be a big day... hoping to get the two banks connected. I'll finish up the last part of the exhaust (post v band clamp) once the cradle/engine is back in the car



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #816, 04-23-2016 10:51 PM
      More progress today but unfortunately I didn't get as far as I hoped. Building this exhaust is time consuming!

Another flange:



And some overall progress pictures:














doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #817, 04-27-2016 08:44 PM
      Finished my door panels today... Big shout out to russ who does amazing work. I've had these panels sitting in the packaging for quite some time now. I figured I should do the right thing and install them! Material is like a microsuede with silver stitching, diamond pattern. I also have the matching saddle for the center console:





Can't wait to get them back in the car once the engine is done!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #818, 05-01-2016 08:51 PM
      Big day today!

It's always a beautiful thing when 2 become 1..

Front side:







Rear side:



Had to enlist the help of a third hand while I tacked together:



United as one...









Fit is bang on... the next step will be creating the second part of the exhaust that will mate with the V-band and exit out the side scoop. I won't be able to start that until I have the cradle back in the car. In the meantime I have to reroute a coolant tube, make a few heat shields and sort some other small details out.




doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #819, 05-14-2016 11:09 PM
      Finished up the roller rockers and valve covers today. I left the roller rockers as long as I could so the assembly lube wouldn't have to sit too long. Plus I didn't want the valve covers to get dirty while I've been working around them.

I anticipate having the engine back in the car next weekend so I can finish up the exhaust and get it back on the road!

I also installed the N* throttle body, and FieroFlyer came by to flash my ECM for the new throttle body













doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #820, 05-22-2016 12:07 AM
      Mounted the exhaust:





And tightened down everything else that was easy to get to with the engine out... then put it back in it's home:



I ended up removing the exhaust with the engine in the bay. I had to rework the V band clamp area as the location of the exit was going to make routing the exhaust out the side scoop impossible. Tomorrow I'll build the last section to exit out the side scoop.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #821, 05-23-2016 11:11 PM
      More progress... connecting everything back up and trying to clean up the hose/wire routing for a "cleaner look."



You can see where the exhaust gets routed here and I've added a bunch of aluminized fiberglass heat shield to certain areas just for good measure:



And it will exit something like this:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #822, 05-24-2016 10:34 PM
      Forgot to also show that I wrapped my fuel line in the heat shield material:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #823, 05-27-2016 09:43 PM
      If you go back a few pages you'll see the active aero wing that myself and some fellow students made in our last year of university. A new group of students took over the project this past year to build their own control system for the wing and were able to secure some time in the wind tunnel! Unfortunately it's not my car in there, but here are some pictures:





















Cool to see it actually working!



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #824, 05-31-2016 10:25 PM
      Exhaust is done!













Just need to wrap this last section with the fiberglass exhaust wrap and it's done.


Fierobsessed (nstarfiero@aol.com) MSG #825, 05-31-2016 11:52 PM
      back purging sucks, for the future:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/000143.html#p39


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #826, 06-01-2016 08:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierobsessed:

back purging sucks, for the future:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/000143.html#p39


Thanks! I've seen it used before and some guys on the welding web forum also recommend it. Just tough to find around here locally. Closest place that could order it in was a few hours away so I ended up just making due without.

Nice build thread as well, I'm not sure how I missed yours before!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #827, 06-03-2016 11:47 PM
      Finished up the exhaust wrap and fired it up for the first time today. I took a video but the mic in my camera doesn't do it any justice. I'll get a nicer quality audio clip tomorrow with a proper microphone.

I didn't hear any exhaust leaks.. finally... music to my ears. I would say that it is about as loud as a stock Viper with it's side exit exhaust. Once the car warms up it quiets down a little and I wouldn't call it extraordinarily loud. I have a few other small details to iron out before it's drive-able so it will be different to hear it under load and on the highway.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #828, 06-05-2016 09:36 PM
      My first ever aluminum welds (before cleaning up the tube).



I made a stubby intake from 4" aluminum... going to put a little shield over the filter so water won't soak into it if it rains / during car wash. I also moved the evap canister to make room for the intake.



Everything back in:



Drove it around the block today... I don't know if it's just in my head, but it feel like it's quite a bit more responsive. I didn't even get a chance to open it up.. I think I still need to give the clutch one more bleed as well... stay tuned for a video!


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #829, 06-07-2016 08:59 PM
      So I'm still working on getting the audio clips. I want to put together an assortment of clips.

However, I drove it around a bit today and I have some good news.. the side scoop doesn't seem to get hot at all. I even let the car sit and idle for a while and I could touch the fiberglass around the scoop and it wasn't even warm to the touch... fiberglass is a good insulator (which is why they make exhaust wrap from the stuff) so that might help.

As suspected, it's pretty loud even outside of the garage... especially above 4000rpm but it can sound tame if you don't get into the throttle too much. I can live with it for now since I don't drive the car daily. In the future if I get tired of it, there are some small "spiral" exhaust inserts, or cones, that I can put in the straight section right before it exits and it should take more of the edge off. It would just require a quick cut and reweld down the road.

Stay tuned for some video!








Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #830, 06-07-2016 11:25 PM
      Nice work on the exhaust. It should sound much better than the stock manifolds.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #831, 06-08-2016 11:36 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Amida:

Nice work on the exhaust. It should sound much better than the stock manifolds.


Thanks! It definitely sounds better but may need some quieting down in the future.

Here is how I built some of the heat shields for a few things in the engine bay...



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #832, 06-22-2016 10:45 PM
      My other car... but an important day in my life:



Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #833, 06-22-2016 11:10 PM
      Contratulation!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #834, 06-23-2016 01:46 PM
      Congrats doublec !! Nice, "other" ride also !

ITALGT MSG #835, 06-23-2016 03:06 PM
      Very cool. Congrats!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #836, 06-23-2016 09:54 PM
      Thanks guys!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #837, 07-17-2016 08:54 AM
      For those of you who are interested, I made another video to show how I made my removable heat shields:




Also started up on another project... the exhaust is pretty loud and I'm going to be testing a few methods to drop a few dB. I fabricated these yesterday:

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #838, 07-21-2016 06:44 PM
      How I wrapped my exhaust:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #839, 10-09-2016 02:01 AM
      Been a while since I checked in...

What I've been up to recently:



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #840, 10-11-2016 08:42 PM
      Great vid, but I gotta tell you, your music sounds like you lifted it from one of the many safety vids I've seen at work.

Joe


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #841, 10-12-2016 11:44 PM
      Thanks! Unfortunately I'm limited to Youtube's free music library. It's tough finding royalty free music such that copy rights are not infringed upon.

DotTC MSG #842, 11-13-2016 11:02 PM
      Awesome thread.. I feel like I've seen you grow from purchase to now.. congrats on everything, beautiful notchie..



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #843, 11-27-2016 12:48 AM
      Thanks DotTC! It's been a long journey but it's been fun

Not really a Fiero update, but I've been working hard on other projects:





The Fiero is more or less in storage for the winter months now. I think I'm going to try to get around to replacing the side window glass over the winter.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #844, 12-10-2016 10:50 PM
      The conclusion of my Corvette headlight project:



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #845, 12-14-2016 10:40 AM
      Doublec you are one bad dude ! Making some kick*ss products !

IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #846, 01-01-2017 08:30 PM
      glad to see you are still going strong as well! always doing cool and innovative stuff!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #847, 01-03-2017 09:31 PM
      Thanks guys! I have another non Fiero project in the works that I can't wait to share if you like cool and innovative! Hopefully soon!

In the meantime... you can add bluetooth to your Fiero if you have an aux port somewhere:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #848, 02-06-2017 09:21 PM
      A few other non-fiero but automotive related projects I've been up to over the winter...







The Fiero will get some TLC in the spring when it warms up!



Eltsyrk (eltsyrklord@gmail.com) MSG #849, 03-19-2017 05:13 PM
      do you know what offset your rims are and if they would fit on an 1986 fiero without the use of coil overs or spacers I want to get a set of 16x7s with 40mm offset but I didn't know if they fit and you said that you had originally had a set of 16 inch rims and I was wondering what the specs on those where if you remembered.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #850, 07-01-2017 12:06 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Eltsyrk:

do you know what offset your rims are and if they would fit on an 1986 fiero without the use of coil overs or spacers I want to get a set of 16x7s with 40mm offset but I didn't know if they fit and you said that you had originally had a set of 16 inch rims and I was wondering what the specs on those where if you remembered.



I believe they are 35 or 38mm offset... hmmm


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #851, 07-01-2017 12:10 AM
      Been a while since I provided a Fiero update. The car has mostly been sitting as I've been so busy with other things in life. Moved again and got myself a garage with a much higher ceiling... and then inherited a four post lift

I've owned the car for roughly 13 years now and I've been wanting to replace the scratched side windows this entire time. Finally got around to it this past week, along with the dew wipes and reupholstered door panels. All parts that I've been hoarding for years:

Went with the smoked grey glass...







And there you have it... no more scratches and cheesy 80s blue window tint and no more grey carpet doors



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #852, 07-09-2017 12:35 AM
      And now thanks to Photobucket, my entire build thread is toast



Doober MSG #853, 09-16-2017 03:14 PM
      Yeah, screw those asshats... $400 a year for basic 3rd party pics? Forget it... PB is done, nobody's gonna buy their shiz.

falcon_ca (luc_giguere@hotmail.com) MSG #854, 09-16-2017 03:41 PM
      Where did you bought those door panels ?



cyrus88 MSG #855, 09-16-2017 09:51 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by doublec4:

And now thanks to Photobucket, my entire build thread is toast



Not if you use Firefox or Chrome extensions.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #856, 10-01-2017 08:18 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by cyrus88:


Not if you use Firefox or Chrome extensions.


Just installed the extension and it works like a charm!

Hopefully others will do the same... at least I can see my own thread again


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #857, 02-06-2018 09:03 PM
      I've had these up for a while now, but forgot to post them here...





In the spring I'm going to revisit my rear diffuser and put some cats on the exhaust.

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Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #858, 02-07-2018 11:10 AM
      That's pretty cool.

migs (xcidmigs@gmail.com) MSG #859, 02-16-2018 06:09 PM
      Do you have any better pics of that door glass before and after? I have been wondering if I should do mine since my doors are all apart atm and that guy was still selling those replacement ones on here, I assume thats where you got it? Do you think the smoked grey is equivalent to any actual light window tint, I might get it just to avoid having to to do that later.