'88 Fiero Build "War Hammer"
Topic started by: War Hammer, Date: 02-10-2008 01:29 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000099.html


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #1, 02-10-2008 01:29 PM
      So here begins the story of my '88 Fiero, War Hammer.

I purchased the car from Josh "Pacethis" and picked it up on February 2nd, 2008. As many of you know I bought the car on eBay for $6000.00. It is an '88 with an ACE 3800sc Series 1 conversion, Konis, 18x7.5 rims, 5spd, fastback conversion, and most importantly, a C5 dash conversion.

It makes a good starting point for what I have planned - BIG brakes (13" or bigger Corvette, Viper, Porsche or 350z), 3800sc Series 2 conversion, G6 6spd conversion, Archie's widebody kit, rollcage, and finish the interior. Now this is the plan for '08. The trick is I need to come in around $6k for all of this (that is the budget the wife set) and be done in time for the Hilton Head Island track days and concours. By the way, this will be a street, road course, autocross car.

For '09 I want to chop the top, vinyl wrap (I like to change things up to often to paint), and install a killer sound system.

I will need a lot of help from you all for parts sources, diagrams, etc during this build so any is appreciated. I have limited knowledge when it comes to mechanical things but can follow directions well.

The Motor


The Body and Wheels







The Interior






Does anybody make a 13" or 14" brake kit that doesn't ue the '88 calipers?
Who makes the best rolcages for Fieros? (yes I know it wilhave to be recut after the chop later).
Does Purle Reign have a pricelist?

Thank you in advance for any help and positive comments and suggestions on thi project.


88White3.4GT MSG #2, 02-10-2008 02:38 PM
      Will you be widening the rear wheel to use up the space with the wide body?

To post pictures, there is a thing called PIP, which i dont use. I usually take photos, and
upload them to photobucket, then i use the [img..] line they provide and paste into a comment.

What do you mean by "vinyl wrap"? Put vinyl wrap on the chopped top? :0



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #3, 02-10-2008 03:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:
Does anybody make a 13" or 14" brake kit that doesn't ue the '88 calipers?



Several options. D1S (13" Corvette), WCF (Viper 13"), Held's 13", and a few homebrews 13". I have D1S 13" on an 88, but D1S is currently having communication issues. You'll save more monies using an homebrew kit (if offered) but I don't know of any issues concerning those kits and neither do I regarding WCFs.

Future plan 13/14 combo; You'll need big boy rims to clear the 14" rear rotor and 18" for the fronts, but certain 17" will clear a 13" rotor.

58.5 pounds total weight for 13/14 combo


14" weight


13" weight



Zac88GT (snarfboot@hotmail.com) MSG #4, 02-10-2008 03:13 PM
      The 6 speed conversion is pretty much gauranteed to suck up at least $2000. I spent about $2500 on mine doing everything myself, and there wasn't a whole lot of room to make things much cheaper.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #5, 02-10-2008 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

Will you be widening the rear wheel to use up the space with the wide body?

To post pictures, there is a thing called PIP, which i dont use. I usually take photos, and
upload them to photobucket, then i use the [img..] line they provide and paste into a comment.

What do you mean by "vinyl wrap"? Put vinyl wrap on the chopped top? :0



I will probably be using 3" hubcentric spacers.

Thanks for the help!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #6, 02-10-2008 07:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

Will you be widening the rear wheel to use up the space with the wide body?

To post pictures, there is a thing called PIP, which i dont use. I usually take photos, and
upload them to photobucket, then i use the [img..] line they provide and paste into a comment.

What do you mean by "vinyl wrap"? Put vinyl wrap on the chopped top? :0


A vinyl wrap is what they use on most race cars today and those vehicles you see covered in advertising graphics all over are usually wraps also. What you do is go to a sign shop that offers them and they cover your car in a special vinyl instead of painting. Around here the retail is around 1K; I know some suppliers so I can get it for around 500-600 depending on the graphics (inks). By utilizing this I can afford to change colors/graphics frequently.

Hope this helps.
~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #7, 02-10-2008 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Several options. D1S (13" Corvette), WCF (Viper 13"), Held's 13", and a few homebrews 13". I have D1S 13" on an 88, but D1S is currently having communication issues. You'll save more monies using an homebrew kit (if offered) but I don't know of any issues concerning those kits and neither do I regarding WCFs.

Future plan 13/14 combo; You'll need big boy rims to clear the 14" rear rotor and 18" for the fronts, but certain 17" will clear a 13" rotor.

58.5 pounds total weight for 13/14 combo


14" weight


13" weight



Hi Curly,

I have 18"s already on it so 14" rotors should fit. As far as where to get the adapters from WCF I hear take way too long. The car has to be rolling (or more apropriately stopping) within 60 days. D1S sounds ok if they are going to get over their communication problems soon. If I can't find an easy solution soon (this week) I'll start creating one witha fab shop.

Thanks for your input! Keep it coming!

~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #8, 02-10-2008 08:03 PM
      `
 
quote
Originally posted by Zac88GT:

The 6 speed conversion is pretty much gauranteed to suck up at least $2000. I spent about $2500 on mine doing everything myself, and there wasn't a whole lot of room to make things much cheaper.


What costs soo much? Please forgive my ignorance but the trannys themselves are only 500 delivered brand new.

Thanks.

~Paul



darkhorizon MSG #9, 02-10-2008 08:04 PM
      The 6speed upgrade offers very little over a stock fiero transmission, and a huge price upgrade.

Between adapter plates, intermediate shafts, custom axles, shifter cables, cable brackets, mounts, and fully custom clutch makes the 6speed swap more complex than any other swap you could do, motor or transmission.

[This message has been edited by darkhorizon (edited 02-10-2008).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #10, 02-10-2008 09:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:

The 6speed upgrade offers very little over a stock fiero transmission, and a huge price upgrade.

Between adapter plates, intermediate shafts, custom axles, shifter cables, cable brackets, mounts, and fully custom clutch makes the 6speed swap more complex than any other swap you could do, motor or transmission.



I thought the trans bolted directly to a series 2?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #11, 02-10-2008 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:
Hi Curly,

I have 18"s already on it so 14" rotors should fit. As far as where to get the adapters from WCF I hear take way too long. The car has to be rolling (or more apropriately stopping) within 60 days. D1S sounds ok if they are going to get over their communication problems soon. If I can't find an easy solution soon (this week) I'll start creating one witha fab shop.

Thanks for your input! Keep it coming!

~Paul




You might want to recheck since the Baer 13/14 combo came from a wrecked Corvette with 19/20 combo HRE wheels. Although the 18s might work with the 13" rotor being used, it maybe a different story for the rears.

Original thread here http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/052624-5.html






War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #12, 02-10-2008 10:27 PM
      Thanks Curly! I will.

~Paul


Zac88GT (snarfboot@hotmail.com) MSG #13, 02-10-2008 10:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

What costs soo much? Please forgive my ignorance but the trannys themselves are only 500 delivered brand new.



Trans $950 (500+350 shipping + brokerage and tax)
Used axles and intermediate shaft from a cobalt ss $450
resplining axles $200
G6 master cylinder assembly $200
Flywheel adapter material only $125
Dakota digital signal converter $100
2 new shifter cables $300
4spd shifter $25
flywheel balancing $50
trans fluid $100
misc material for mounts and brackets $100

On top of that you're going to have to choose a clutch ( I modified one that i already had because it only had like 200km's on it) so that will be at least $300 more, and the cost of haveing the flywheel adapter made if you can't do it yourself. For my design it probably would have been over $500 but you could dramatically reduce that by changing the style.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #14, 02-11-2008 07:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Zac88GT:


Trans $950 (500+350 shipping + brokerage and tax)
Used axles and intermediate shaft from a cobalt ss $450
resplining axles $200
G6 master cylinder assembly $200
Flywheel adapter material only $125
Dakota digital signal converter $100
2 new shifter cables $300
4spd shifter $25
flywheel balancing $50
trans fluid $100
misc material for mounts and brackets $100

On top of that you're going to have to choose a clutch ( I modified one that i already had because it only had like 200km's on it) so that will be at least $300 more, and the cost of haveing the flywheel adapter made if you can't do it yourself. For my design it probably would have been over $500 but you could dramatically reduce that by changing the style.


Does seem a little daunting. However things seem a little cheaper here in the states. Trannys are only $475 new delivered. But it can be quite expensive if you don't have friends. I will document the expenses when I do it.

Thanks fir the info!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #15, 02-11-2008 07:46 PM
      OK good news/bad news. I started disassembling the dash today tto see exactly what I have gotten into. It is a little rougher than advertised. There isn't any bracing on the bottom, the gauges were ruined when the previous owner epoxied some vinyl to them, a hydra of wiring, etc. It will take a few days to sort it out but I will perservere. Right now I am looking for a Corvette dash harness so I can finish wiring in the stock switches.

I'll keep you posted.

~Paul



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #16, 02-11-2008 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:


Does seem a little daunting. However things seem a little cheaper here in the states. Trannys are only $475 new delivered. But it can be quite expensive if you don't have friends. I will document the expenses when I do it.

Thanks fir the info!

Paul


I've wanted to do a 6 speed to my car from the time they started showing up as a swap option, but since you need special stuff to adapt it, (it will bolt up sans adapter) I will wait a little. Cost o up fast in for special stuff.


Keep us posted!


JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis@outlook.com) MSG #17, 02-11-2008 09:13 PM
      Hey there War Hammer, I'm doing a s1 s/c swap right now, what are your opinions on the performance? Is it a stock engine? And also, any pics would be wonderful



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #18, 02-11-2008 09:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

OK good news/bad news. I started disassembling the dash today tto see exactly what I have gotten into. It is a little rougher than advertised. There isn't any bracing on the bottom, the gauges were ruined when the previous owner epoxied some vinyl to them, a hydra of wiring, etc. It will take a few days to sort it out but I will perservere. Right now I am looking for a Corvette dash harness so I can finish wiring in the stock switches.

I'll keep you posted.

~Paul


Lemme know if ya be needin' any assistance. With any luck, I could have your dash rewired in six to eight months tops.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #19, 02-11-2008 09:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JamesCurtis:

Hey there War Hammer, I'm doing a s1 s/c swap right now, what are your opinions on the performance? Is it a stock engine? And also, any pics would be wonderful



Hi James,

I'll get you some pics as soon as I can, anything in particular? The performance is pretty good I havn't driven it far yet. The exhaust is free flowing (no mufflers) so I runs well.



JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis@outlook.com) MSG #20, 02-11-2008 10:37 PM
      Well I'm referring to how it feels on the low end, where it seems like it's running out of air, and how it performs when you floor it at 60mph. Just the basics

oh, you mean pictures... Well just a few overviews that cover the wiring would be great. If they relocated the coil packs, maybe get a shot of that? As far as the exhaust goes, can you hear the s/c over the engine in the passenger compartment under WOT?

[This message has been edited by JamesCurtis (edited 02-11-2008).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #21, 02-12-2008 04:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JamesCurtis:

Well I'm referring to how it feels on the low end, where it seems like it's running out of air, and how it performs when you floor it at 60mph. Just the basics

oh, you mean pictures... Well just a few overviews that cover the wiring would be great. If they relocated the coil packs, maybe get a shot of that? As far as the exhaust goes, can you hear the s/c over the engine in the passenger compartment under WOT?



It feels way better on the low end from stock (phenomonally better). I haven't had it up to 60 yet. The motor seems to pull strong up to about 5k. The coils are on the firewall side of the motor (don't know where stock was). I cannot hear the s/c over the exhaust at any speed.

I will get pics up soon, probably on Thursday.

~Paul



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #22, 02-12-2008 04:50 PM
      With your wiring difficulties, have you checked Painless yet?



FastIndyFiero (harleyhat1@hotmail.com) MSG #23, 02-12-2008 05:36 PM
      Doug Chase at Chase Race makes fantastic cages/bars for the Fiero.

http://www.chaserace.com/



mcaanda (mcaanda@gmail.com) MSG #24, 02-12-2008 10:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FastIndyFiero:

Doug Chase at Chase Race makes fantastic cages/bars for the Fiero.

http://www.chaserace.com/



I can second that.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #25, 02-12-2008 11:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FastIndyFiero:

Doug Chase at Chase Race makes fantastic cages/bars for the Fiero.

http://www.chaserace.com/



Thanks for the info!

~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #26, 02-12-2008 11:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whadeduck:

With your wiring difficulties, have you checked Painless yet?



But I'm a Masochist. Seriously though, I am going to use a Corvette dash harness to mate the switches to the Fiero harness. I shouldn't be too difficult just time consuming.

Anyone have a dash wiring diagram they wouldn't mind posting for either or both?

Thanks,
~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #27, 02-15-2008 10:56 AM
      I have purchased my braided brake lines and calipers (2002 Camaro - not Corvette I know, but still should be good for up to 300-400HP and cost only $116 delivered for all 4).

Now all I have to do is buy rotors and have some brackets made. On the rotors, should I go with 13" Corvette or 13" Viper rears all around?

Anyone have any premade brackets for these (no West Coast or Fiero Addiction please - I've heard of the problems)? I still haven't heard from D1S.

Thanks you and keep watching!

~Paul




War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #28, 02-15-2008 12:03 PM
      Figured out how to post pics today!

I will post some of the calipers and lines also.

~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #29, 02-15-2008 12:34 PM
      Here are the pictures of my calipers and brake lines. The brake lines are from Autobahn Performance Development and cost $77.00 delivered. You can reach them at 1.800.248.2861 or sales@autobahnpd.com.




~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #30, 02-17-2008 11:49 AM
      Hello All,

I purchased my new (to me) seats. I set of 1993 Corvette Sports seats off of ebay the other day. I'm I piece closer (lol).




Have a great day!

~Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #31, 02-21-2008 08:28 PM
      Not much to update today. I ordered my widebody kit with fenders and spoiler from Archie today . Yesterday I ordered the 13" Viper rear rotors for all around.

I'll keep you posted.

Paul



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #32, 02-21-2008 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Not much to update today. I ordered my widebody kit with fenders and spoiler from Archie today . Yesterday I ordered the 13" Viper rear rotors for all around.

I'll keep you posted.

Paul




Wow! I see your on a "War path" and you don't mess around.



GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #33, 02-21-2008 09:38 PM
      Hey Paul, next club meeting you better have lots of pictures. How are you on your budget so far? Hey Rich why so long to rewire Pauls dash?

Joe


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #34, 02-22-2008 04:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Wow! I see your on a "War path" and you don't mess around.


Life is too short. I need this project to help me keep my mind off my health. This is just the "gathering" phase, I will slow down a bit when I hit the actual mods.

By the way, anyone have the dimensions of the concentric rings for the Viper Rotors?


Thanks,
Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #35, 02-22-2008 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GODFATHER:

Hey Paul, next club meeting you better have lots of pictures. How are you on your budget so far? Hey Rich why so long to rewire Pauls dash?

Joe



I'll try but there is not that much happening to the car right now. I'm just gathering parts so I can start and not have to slow down. If I let that happen I end up stopping for a long time.
Rich is having probs at work so he is pretty occupied.

When it is time for body mounting are up for some assistance? I haven't fiberglassed in about 15 years.

Thanks,
Paul



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #36, 02-22-2008 05:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:


Life is too short. I need this project to help me keep my mind off my health. This is just the "gathering" phase, I will slow down a bit when I hit the actual mods.

Thanks,
Paul




What's the ETA on the Mad-Arch kit?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #37, 02-22-2008 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


What's the ETA on the Mad-Arch kit?


Hi Curly,

Archie says I should get it March 3rd. and then the fun begins! How about sending me some links to your rides? Are you going to Daytona?


Paul



Fiero_Adam MSG #38, 02-22-2008 10:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:
I will probably be using 3" hubcentric spacers.

Thanks for the help!

Paul

I hope you're not really considering this. Ditch the 6 speed swap and put the money toward a nice set of wide wheels that will actually fit the widebody without using spacers. Much safer, and will look better.



30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #39, 02-22-2008 11:16 PM
      Hope you have a lot of free time. You'll need it to sort stuff out. I should know, check
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/052684.html
my 87 Coupe project.

[This message has been edited by 30+mpg (edited 02-22-2008).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #40, 02-22-2008 11:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero_Adam:

I hope you're not really considering this. Ditch the 6 speed swap and put the money toward a nice set of wide wheels that will actually fit the widebody without using spacers. Much safer, and will look better.



Spacers are good enough for a Porsche 930, I don't see a problem. The 6 spd may not happen as I may have a Getrag already. If so, those funds will go to the motor.

Thanks,
Paul


fieroguru MSG #41, 02-23-2008 07:53 AM
      Some day I will get around to a widebody kit for my 88. I had planned to get longer lateral links to move the wheels out further. This would require longer axles, but once you go to an auto or use the intermediate shaft on the manuals, finding the longer axles from the GM stockpile should not be a significant issue.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #42, 03-01-2008 07:03 PM
      As most of you know, My wife passed away this past week. I will not be able to devote much time to this project for the next few weeks. I have alot to deal with (her estate, business, etc.). I will finish this project. This car was the last gift my wife gave me and will be with me for life.

Keep checking for updates. I will cary on.

Sincerely,
Paul



maryjane MSG #43, 03-01-2008 07:26 PM
      We will keep this up near pg 1 till you're ready to get back on it War Hammer. God Bless

Don & Jane


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #44, 03-01-2008 07:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

As most of you know, My wife passed away this past week. I will not be able to devote much time to this project for the next few weeks. I have alot to deal with (her estate, business, etc.). I will finish this project. This car was the last gift my wife gave me and will be with me for life.

Keep checking for updates. I will cary on.

Sincerely,
Paul




Very, Very sorry to hear that.

Our Prayers are with you.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #45, 03-01-2008 08:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

As most of you know, My wife passed away this past week. I will not be able to devote much time to this project for the next few weeks. I have alot to deal with (her estate, business, etc.). I will finish this project. This car was the last gift my wife gave me and will be with me for life.

Keep checking for updates. I will cary on.

Sincerely,
Paul





Paul,

That is very sad news to hear, my condolences to you and your family. Certianly get things in order before worrying about your car.

There will be plenty of time for that later. Best wishes.

Tony


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #46, 03-08-2008 03:08 AM
      My widebody came this week. I little light in my life. I will try to start working on the car soon.

My life is just sooo messed up right now.

I'll try to keep it all together.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #47, 03-12-2008 08:28 PM
      ttt

CoryFiero MSG #48, 03-13-2008 11:14 PM
      Paul,

My condolences to you.

I am excited to see progress on your car. I will be watching this thread. It seems like SC is getting some really nice cars, yours,Topcats, Whadeducks, Ace's, Tristan, and more. Is V8Archie doing the chop for you? The vette dash looks very sweet. I hope to meet you and your car sometime soon.

Cory
PS: Do you have the old 88 rotors? I reaaaaaally need some


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #49, 03-16-2008 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CoryFiero:

Paul,

My condolences to you.

I am excited to see progress on your car. I will be watching this thread. It seems like SC is getting some really nice cars, yours,Topcats, Whadeducks, Ace's, Tristan, and more. Is V8Archie doing the chop for you? The vette dash looks very sweet. I hope to meet you and your car sometime soon.

Cory
PS: Do you have the old 88 rotors? I reaaaaaally need some


I haven't changed the rotors yet, but I'll keep you in mind. I just received the Viper rotors. Rick Morehouse is redrilling them to Fiero for me . The bad news is I will have one siemesed hole (not 2 or 3 like WCF). This is due to the 6 lug pattern on the Viper. I will keep you all updated!

Paul



CoryFiero MSG #50, 03-21-2008 05:27 PM
      Any work done this weekend Paul? I am excited to see your build.

Cory


whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #51, 03-21-2008 05:30 PM
      He's away this weekend visiting family. I'm gonna help him wire up some lights next weekend. His widebody kit came in though.



CoryFiero MSG #52, 03-22-2008 07:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whadeduck:

He's away this weekend visiting family. I'm gonna help him wire up some lights next weekend. His widebody kit came in though.



Ohhhh Widebody!! and I think YOU need some help with mirror wiring..


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #53, 04-03-2008 04:00 PM
      Bump! Bump!! Bump!!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #54, 04-09-2008 07:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Bump! Bump!! Bump!!!


Progress report!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #55, 04-13-2008 12:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Progress report!




whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #56, 04-13-2008 12:51 AM
      I think he's in Hilton Head this weekend.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #57, 04-21-2008 09:31 PM
      Not much new. I took out the center console today . Getting ready to rewire the dash so most of the Corvette switches work.

Paul



GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #58, 04-21-2008 10:12 PM
      Sorry to hear about your wifes passing. My condolences to you and your family. I haven't been to any SC club meetings and didn't know about anything until I read your trend.

Joe


NeoTristan (tristancboyd@gmail.com) MSG #59, 04-21-2008 10:43 PM
      If you need any help with some wiring Let me know and I'll see how I can help.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #60, 05-06-2008 12:06 AM
      Finally getting somewhere. Whadeduck and I are working on reiring the headlight switch to covered toggles and redoing the coupe taillight harness to work with the GT taillights. So far we have the tail/parking light switch wired in.

Now we are trying to figure ut the headlight wiring.

If the weather permits, we will wire up the taillights tomorrow.

I have also installed 150mph dash instead of the 120 that was there before.

Maybe I'll have it on the street this week!

Paul


whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #61, 05-07-2008 12:15 AM
      Okie dokie. Difficult to see in the pictures, but we got the headlights working from toggle switches. One for the parking lights, one for lights on and doors up, and one for doors down. Now there's just the high beam/low beam to figure out.


I know, looks worse than the Ferrario wiring wise. But it's not bad. The toggle switches are all plugged in by connectors. So once the panel is made for the console, the switches can be mounted and the wiring can be purdied up a little more. The goal for today was just to figure out how to get the lights to work at all. Mission accomplished. Everything works and only a few small fires. lol



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #62, 05-12-2008 07:33 AM
      More progress. After a major rainstorm came through on Sunday, I ventured to Paul's house and we spliced and crimped, and heat-shrunk until we got the coupe's tail lights wired to work with the GT tail lights. Had everything wired up the way we thought it should be but couldn't get the turn signals to work. As it turns out, the battery didn't have enough charge to allow the turn signals to function. So after a session with the battery charger, things work great. There's a few more things to do like wiring up the high-beam switch and then mounting everything on a panel, but it's getting there. Sorry, forgot to take pics. Just more spaghetti anyway. Oh, we did discover that the GT tail lights don't like to fit if you have an earlier GT bumper with the ribbed side moldings. Paul's got a later bumper to replace it though. War Hammer should be back on the road soon.



NashvilleFiero MSG #63, 05-12-2008 01:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

So here begins the story of my '88 Fiero, War Hammer.

I purchased the car from Josh "Pacethis" and picked it up on February 2nd, 2008. As many of you know I bought the car on eBay for $6000.00. It is an '88 with an ACE 3800sc Series 1 conversion, Konis, 18x7.5 rims, 5spd, fastback conversion, and most importantly, a C5 dash conversion.

It makes a good starting point for what I have planned - BIG brakes (13" or bigger Corvette, Viper, Porsche or 350z), 3800sc Series 2 conversion, G6 6spd conversion, Archie's widebody kit, rollcage, and finish the interior. Now this is the plan for '08. The trick is I need to come in around $6k for all of this (that is the budget the wife set) and be done in time for the Hilton Head Island track days and concours. By the way, this will be a street, road course, autocross car.

For '09 I want to chop the top, vinyl wrap (I like to change things up to often to paint), and install a killer sound system.

I will need a lot of help from you all for parts sources, diagrams, etc during this build so any is appreciated. I have limited knowledge when it comes to mechanical things but can follow directions well.

The Motor


The Body and Wheels







The Interior






Does anybody make a 13" or 14" brake kit that doesn't ue the '88 calipers?
Who makes the best rolcages for Fieros? (yes I know it wilhave to be recut after the chop later).
Does Purle Reign have a pricelist?

Thank you in advance for any help and positive comments and suggestions on thi project.


I want that dash!



gtxbullet MSG #64, 05-12-2008 01:31 PM
      IO'd like info on the dash conversion!!!
looks sweet!



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #65, 05-21-2008 01:13 AM
      Progress report.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 08-20-2008 10:58 AM
      Sorry it hs been so long. I'm stilldealing with my wife's estate. I'm dating again (things have change from the last time when I was 19 -17 years ago). Anyway, War Hammer is on the road! The dash is still apart and my tail lights are amber instead of red, but I can dive it as long as the cop don't look too close. THANKS WHADEDUCK!!!!! I'll fill you in as progress ensues.



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #67, 08-20-2008 11:07 AM
      Keep up the good work the car is cumming along.
I like the corvette dash. when are you going to start the widebody?
I got mine about a mounth ago and have been working on it and other things since.
I am in Atlanta not that far from you.
if you want to see how mine is cumming along look in tech for
whodeanies 88gt custom build.
it might help you with yours or pm me with any questions.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #68, 08-28-2008 12:33 AM
      I'm going to work on her on Sunday. Plans, sort out the wiring and mount the Corvette seats We'll see if I can do both with the Duck's help.

Paul



ethan555 MSG #69, 08-28-2008 01:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NashvilleFiero:


I want that dash!



i have to agree, that is very nice.


AquaHusky (david.t.cisneros@gmail.com) MSG #70, 08-28-2008 11:32 AM
      I'm lovin' the dash there. Now if you can update from that 70s Camaro steering wheel to something a bit more updated, it would look better.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #71, 09-22-2008 02:25 PM
      Steering wheel is not permanent. Going for a D shaped wheel. As far as progress. Zip, nada, nothing new to report. I have twisted my ankle, been to Ohio for tests on my heart, and had the flu since the last time I posted. Maybe this weekend I'll have some more news.

Paul

P.S. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #72, 09-22-2008 08:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Had the flu since the last time I posted. Maybe this weekend I'll have some more news.

Paul

P.S. If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any at all.



Keep moving. Don't let pneumonia set-in.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #73, 11-29-2008 01:28 PM
      Okay, this thread needs bumping.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #74, 01-04-2009 04:12 PM
      After much deliberation I have come to the decision to sell War Hammer, the Archie Widebody kit, the corvette seats, and my 355 nose. I cannot continue working on it with my present health. All it does is remind me of my wife. Anyway please pm me with all serious offers. I would like to sell it soon.

Thank you all so much.

Sincerely,
Paul E. Destocki, II



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #75, 01-05-2009 10:23 AM
      bump


John Boelte (johnboelte@yahoo.com) MSG #76, 01-05-2009 10:49 AM
      If you haven't already, post an ad in the Mall. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. I hope things improve for you.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #77, 01-05-2009 11:48 AM
     

War Hammer did you check your PM ?

I sent you a private message yesterday.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #78, 02-07-2009 01:46 AM
      War Hammer gets a reprive. Instead of getting rid of the car the girlfriend and I called it quits. ='(

I need the car for a distraction.

Paul


joshua riedl MSG #79, 02-07-2009 08:24 AM
      Never put all your eggs in one basket! Good luck on the project.

FieroBobo (rryans@kean.edu) MSG #80, 02-08-2009 12:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:
War Hammer gets a reprive. Instead of getting rid of the car the girlfriend and I called it quits. ='(
I need the car for a distraction. Paul


...snip...War Hammer gets a reprive....snip

Hurrah! Great news, another build thread to follow on PFF.

..snip.. Instead of getting rid of the car, the girlfriend and I called it quits. ='( ..snip..

Sorry to hear on the break up, but perhaps it was a necessary loss.
It seems to me that if a woman really loves a man, then she should be able accept the man as he is, complete with all of his little idiosyncracies, and flaws, (including things like old little mid-engine sports cars that are 20+ years old). Don't dispare, you will find some one. I found the love of my life at age 38.

~Bob




joshh44 MSG #81, 02-08-2009 07:20 AM
      you can do it!!!
i believe!


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #82, 02-08-2009 04:38 PM
      War Hammer is alive and kicking! Whadeduck and I put in a new alternator (upgraded to 140 amp from 105) and it breathed new life into the car. Misfires stopped and after a few minutes of blowing out carbon, it was purring like a kitten. Now to get on with it. I am going back to the fiero dash for a little while. The corvette dash conversion might be sold in the future. I will see if Fie ro might want to sell me one of his (d) .

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #83, 03-14-2009 09:33 PM
      Going to work on the car tomorrow. I just got back after 3 weeks away.


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #84, 03-15-2009 07:49 AM
      added to my favorites... i want more pics!



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #85, 03-30-2009 01:21 AM
      Did a lot today for me. I made a plate for my switches. I also removed the restrictive screens on my deck lid vents.

The switch plate.



The grill mod.







The grill mod definitely lowered under hood temps.

The switch plate will be redone tomorrow but it gives you an idea what I'm going for. :P

Let me know what you think.

Paul



sjmaye MSG #86, 04-01-2009 06:53 AM
      I did the same for my deck grills. I have noticed since that leaves and stuff freely get down through these to the engine compartment. Luckily I now keep the car in the garage all the time. I believe it does pull heat better than with the screens, but I think I will put them back on with fasteners that would allow me to remove the screens quickly next time. If nothing else just to clean them out.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #87, 04-01-2009 06:03 PM
      I keep mine covered. Pine needles still get everywhere with the screens in.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #88, 04-06-2009 12:57 PM
      Hello All,

I was up most of the night looking for wiring diagrams for Corvettes and Fieros. Found most of what I need. What this thread for the next few days for a rewire of the Corvette switches.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #89, 04-07-2009 05:08 AM
      OK. I just decided to jump right in and tackle the dimmer switch as this will be one of the most time consuming part of the wiring. At first I thought I would try to make the Corvette dimmer work, but after many hours of study and a case of insomnia I decided to install the Fiero dimmer in the Corvette dimmer housing and try to make it look as stock as possible. The stock looking part is not that easy.

The Corvette switch is a rheostat type. That is to say that you turn a knob to increase or decrease panel illumination intensity. After opening the switch I quickly realized that there is no way the puny wiring of this switch could handle the demands of the Fiero wiring so I removed the Corvette switch and discarded it. I realized the Fiero dimmer would fit quite nicely in the unused heads up display (HUD) portion of the housing.

I then had this hole and thought why not go to Radio Shack to fill it so I bought a small push on push off switch that fit the hole left by the Corvette dimmer. This switch will be used later (guess what for). I originally thought that the knob for the Corvette dimmer would fit over the red knob that came with the switch so I tried to drill it out - bad idea. As I was drilling it out I discovered the inside of the knob had a metal liner that is much stronger than the rest of the knob. Needless to say the knob disentigrated as I tried to drill it out.

Next to the new switch is where a tiny LED was placed by GM. I have no idea why except to guide you to the dimmer switch. I will later mount a new LED to inform me when the switch is armed (guess what is in the future yet?).

Following this I studied the Fiero dimmer - holding it repeatedly up to the housing to decide on proper placement. The switch housing was studied and I realized that the inner clamping device can be removed and used to hold the dimmer in place so the dimmer could be easily removed in the future. So I separated the clamp from the original housing with a flathead screwdriver. A caution here, do this slowly and carefully or you will break the clamp.

After this I held the Fiero dimmer face plate up to the Corvette housing to select the proper position to mount the dimmer. I used a stabilo pencil to trace the inside of the Fiero opening on the unused HUD portion of the Corvette dimmer housing. A stabilo pencil is available in many colors and is water soluble so you can wipe the marks off easily as you try different placement posotions.

Now the fun part starts. Out came the trusty dremel tool with cutoff wheel. BE VERY CAREFULL FROM NOW ON AS CORVETTE DIMMER HOUSINGS ARE EXPENSIVE. I slowly cut out the opening for the Fiero dimmer. When you select the location to mount the dimmer please remember it is larger than the hole required. The rough opening now made (don't try to finish the opening with the cutoff wheel) switch over to a 60 grit sanding spool and begin shaping. Make your hole a little larger than the dimmer wheel. This allows for fine tuning of the dimmer placement later.

Since I removed the rear cover of the Corvette housing to install the push button switch I repeatly checked the openin for wheel clearance. Now I installed the clamp on the Fiero dimmer and began trimming the clamp to fit in the housing. I trimmed the clamp a lot and the inside of the housing to allow the LARGE Fiero dimmer to be installed. What I found was that with the clamp on th edimmer wheel did not go through the front of the housing enough to appear stock or allo easy operation. So, even though I am not a fan of doing things this way. I removed the clamp from the equation and decided to bond the dimmer directly to the housing. First I tried this with a super glue type chemical and after it failed I switched to Liquid Nails. It seems to hold OK now.

Now you can stop here if you are the type of person who says if I can't see it it isn't there, but if you are like me (anal retentive - Whadeduck thinks I should go into quality control) and pay attention to delail you will want to reinstall the rear cover of the housing. To accomplish this I took out my drill and a 3/8" bit and drilled out the area behind the push button switch. After drilling I cleaned it up with the sanding spool and 60 grit paper on my dremel. Next I switched to the cut off wheel on the dremel and cut out the rough shape of the dimmer and cut off the Corvette wire connector housing. Now that I was satisfied with the initial cut. The hole was shaped, deburred ,and cleaned up. I removed most of the material from the rear of the housing. If you do this make sure you leave enough material to allow it to lock closed.

This is basically it. The dimmer should be done. I will test it tomorrow.

Just remember life is too short to get upset.
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The unmodified Corvette dimmer / HUD housing. (Make sure you get one WITHOUT HUD controls.)
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The weak excuse of Corvette dimmer.
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The red switch after I placed it in the hole left by the pathetic Corvette dimmer.
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The view of the red swich from the back.
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The nasty repainted Fiero dimmer that Pacethis had installed in the dash.
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Side view of the Fiero dimmer.
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The clamp after it was removed from the back of the Fiero face plate.
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The front of the finshed switch. Isn't it pretty?
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The rear of the finished switch. Please note how much material was removed from the back.
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I took this opportunity to clean the contacts with Flitz (a previous owner had painted over 1 side of them )
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The other side of the finished switch.
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Close up view of the finished dimmer housing in the gauge pod.
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The finished dimmer housing in the gauge pod (wide view).


I will be changing the red button to a black one soon for a more stock appearance.

Let me know what you think.


Paul

edit for typos.


sjmaye MSG #90, 04-08-2009 05:51 AM
      Nice work Paul. Keep us posted on your progress. I love your dash build.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #91, 04-08-2009 08:46 AM
      Thank you!

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #92, 04-09-2009 07:17 AM
      Not a lot going on today. I have been working on the wiring cross over diagram for the Corvette hazard switch to the Fiero wiring (since this car is my first wiring project it took me a couple of hours). I went to Radio Shack an spent WAY too much money on wiring supplies (still need a molex crimp tool). I mounted an on-off switch in place of the Corvette traction control switch. I also added a led next to the the old dimmer / new push button in the dimmer housing. And lastly I installed some micro momentary switches in the Corvette control center on the right side of the dash.

Does anyone know of a way to remove the lettering on the Corvette switches and dash without hurting the plastic.

I am trying to find a switch pin out for the C5 hatch release. If you have or know where I can find it please send it to me.

The traction control switch with the new 25A switch from Radio Shack in place.

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The bottom of the switch with the cover removed. You can see where I had to trim the clear plastic to allow the switch to come all the way down. Also not seen, is the removed traction control switch retaining ring.

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The wimpy wiring that was in the housing before. The Corvette must be wired with relays for everything. The wiring is so tiny.

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Here is the wiring that I did. Pretty straight forward. I crimped and heat shrunk the wiring.

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OK, here is the finished switch. I ran the wires through an existing hole. I will try to find a grommet to fit. As a side note you have to bend down the terminals to get the cover to be reinstalled. The cover just snaps on


More later.

Paul



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #93, 04-09-2009 09:57 AM
      Really looking kewl.



doctorclu MSG #94, 04-09-2009 02:23 PM
      Looking interesting so far.

sjmaye MSG #95, 04-10-2009 04:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Does anyone know of a way to remove the lettering on the Corvette switches and dash without hurting the plastic.


You may want to try "Purple Power". I was cleaning my door lock/unlock buttons on the Fiero and it stripped them clean. Did not harm the plastic.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #96, 04-10-2009 08:42 AM
      Thanks I will.

Paul

 
quote
Originally posted by sjmaye:


You may want to try "Purple Power". I was cleaning my door lock/unlock buttons on the Fiero and it stripped them clean. Did not harm the plastic.




War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #97, 04-11-2009 11:33 PM
      Today was a day of 1 step forward 2 steps back.. Do not use liquid nails on dash parts. It will not hold! I found that out the hard way on my dimmer and some brackets I tried to mount on the center console. For the dimmer I used Loctite 2 part super glue. It holds well but expect to hold the parts for 10 minutes or so if you can't clamp it (not 30 secods like on the package) :'( .

I installed the power outlet in the stock location in the rear of the Corvette console. Extremely easy. Rotate the housing until the reataining pin goes through the hole. It is that simple.

I also drilled the switch panel for switch protectors like NASA uses. Everywhere wanted $6-12 each for them, but I found a close relative a Lowes for $.88 each. I am using these for decorative purposes to fill in the space between the switches. When drilling I drilled on the wrong mark on the very last hole so I get to make another one . At least this one is still usable for mock up.

I made panel retainers from angle aluminum I bought at Lowes. Very easy to modify. I cut it with my dremel and cut off wheel.

Tell me if you like them.



Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #98, 04-12-2009 03:01 PM
      HAPPY EASTER!!! I am taking the day off in honor of our lord, Jesus Christ. He is risen!!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #99, 04-15-2009 01:37 PM
      Hello,

The weather here has been bad. I have been limited to working inside the house so far this week.

All I have done for the car is wire together a radio harness for Fiero to Alpine CD. I cut the wires to a reasonable length, soldered them, heat shrinked, and now I'm going to wrap the harness with electrical tape. The wiring is very straight forward. The Scosche harness and the Alpine harness are color matched to the GM wiring. Very easy to hook up indeed. I wanted to just repin one of the connectors but the wire on the Alpine side is too fine. I know I could have used bullet connectors and had it done in 15 minutes but I like to know that there is no chance of connector failure. Took me an hour.

This is something anyone can do themselves and save a lot of money. All you will need is a harness adapter (I got mine at Walmart for 7 bucks) for the Fiero, the harness for your radio, a soldering iron or gun (I prefer the gun), some heat shrink tubing, a lighter or heat gun for the heat shrink, zip ties, and electrical tape or wire loom.

Read the radio manual and harness adapter manual and make sure they match.


1. As long as they do, just shorten them to the appropriate length

2. Strip the wires

3. Place the heat shrink tubing over one of the wires and move it as far away as possible from the solder joint (use the heat shrink 1 up from the size of the largest wire - the joint will be
thicker than 1 wire)

4. Lay the wires end to end with an overlap

5. Place the gun tip across both wires

6. Solder the connection

7. Slide the heat shrink over the connection

8. Heat the tubing using a flame or heat gun and the connection is finished.

9. After you complete all the connections either tape it up or zip tie and cover with loom.


More than likely you will have a wire or 2 left over on the radio harness. I had 2 - one for the remote amp turn on and another one. Just tape them up and out of the way.

I will add photos of the completed harness before and after wrapping with tape if you like.

Here are the pics

The harness after soldering.


The harness after taping up the wires that go to the large Fiero connector.


The harness after wrapping the wire that goes to the small Fiero connector.


The finished harness after taping up the 2 remaining wires.


You can see the hand of my little helper . He is my 14 year old son. (Sherry and I couldn't have children )

If you paid a stereo shop or someone like me it would cost you around $50 labor. Save the $50 and learn something new. If you mess up you can either try again or have a shop do it then.

Paul


edit for pictures.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #100, 04-16-2009 12:54 AM
      I did some more wiring today.

It is moving along pretty fast.

I did the connector for the truck release. This is different from the radio harness in that I used a molex 9 pin connector instead of a splice/solder connection or single pin connectors.

The first thing is to strip the wire.

Then crimp, with the special crimper, and solder the pin on the wire (in that order in case you mess up the crimp).


Next insert the pin in the connector housing (make sure you get the pin all the way in).


Finally, I wrapped the wires with pvc tape.


Instead of me trying to explain how to crimp molex pins I found this link that does it better than I can. http://www.gorobotics.net/a...-to-crimp-connectors

Let me know what you think so far.

I'm going to do some more wiring tonight. I want the wiring done by Monday. Only 8 to 10 more harnesses.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #101, 04-16-2009 04:17 AM
      I did one more harness tonight, the one for the dash mounted hazard light switch.

The power in side finished.
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The output side.
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The finished harness.


I hope you like it.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #102, 04-20-2009 01:55 AM
      Sorry I havent posted in a few days. Here is what I have been up to lately.

I wrapped the unused wire from the Corvette dash harness and boxed it for later use.




I disassembled the Camaro gauges and the C5 gauges.
Front



Rear




The logic I am using is to mate the Camaro gauge board to the Corvette gauge servo motors. This was suggested to me by serveral sources. If it doesn't work I will use the Camaro servos too. As was pointed out to me, the gauges will not be accurate but I talked with Alex at Black Cat Custom ( blackcatcustom.com ) and was assured that an accurate set of gauges could be created for a reasonable cost (around $150-$200).

If all of this fails I will be probably use these. They cost around $800 shipped :'(



Check back soon as I will complete much more this week. I have to get this car together soon. I start Wyotech in June (the 26th) and have to be ready to start the body then.


Edit for pics.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #103, 04-21-2009 03:40 AM
      Okey Dokie. Here is what I did today.

1. I recut the lower dash panel for a more factory appearance. A previous ower did a hack job cutting the panel in a very unnatural trapezoid pattern. I fixed it by using a can from the cupboard (Sweet Sue Chicken and Dumplings in case you were curious ) to make a pattern on the part. I the used a dremel with a cutoff wheel to cut the new semi-oval pattern out of the part. Then I used a grinding cylinder in the dremel to clean up and fine tune the cut.

Before




After the cuting wheel




After the grinder




With the column gasket resting on it. It still needs covered but this gives you an idea.


Next I modified the dash housing to accept the switches I am using and the Fiero dimmer

Here is the gauge surround uncut but marked.





The cuts made to allow the switches. I used the dremel with the cutoff wheel.





I also cut the clear gauge cover in a similar fashion but no picture were taken.


Next I wired the Camaro circuit board to the Corvette gauges. I am hoping this will work and not blow up the board or servo motors [worried].

The Camaro board with the wires coming out. For connectors I used unshielded butt connectors and small ring connectors from RadioShack.




The Camaro gauges connected to the corresponding places on the Corvette gauges. I just ran than wires straight acrossed hoping GM didn't change the placement of the wires through the years :O




Anyway, that is today's accomplishments. Constructive comments or help are welcomed.

More to come.

Paul



sjmaye MSG #104, 04-21-2009 05:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:


Paul,

I am slightly confused. Exactly what are you doing in this pic? Mating the Corvette and Camaro instrument clusters electronics? What is it you are trying to achieve?

Steve

[This message has been edited by sjmaye (edited 04-21-2009).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #105, 04-21-2009 09:56 AM
      I am trying to drive the Corvette gauge motors with the Camaro board. If this fails I will use the Camaro motors behind the Corvette faces. A lot more work though. Black Cat Custom is going to make new gauge faces after I find out which one works. That way they will be accurate.

Thanks for the question!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #106, 04-21-2009 10:39 AM
      The next question I have is on gauge lighting.

The Corvette gauges are front lit. Should I use leds (it is my understanding that you cannot dim them) or bulbs? I am mounting them where the Covette black lights were.

Thanks for your opinions!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #107, 04-21-2009 10:13 PM
      Well rewiring gauges isn't as easy as it appears. I tried running wires straight across - nope. I tried changing motors - nope. So I have to study more.

Any ideas?

Paul



1986 Fiero GT (trevorjecklund@gmail.com) MSG #108, 04-21-2009 11:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

The Corvette gauges are front lit. Should I use leds (it is my understanding that you cannot dim them) or bulbs? I am mounting them where the Covette black lights were.



You can in fact use LEDs, with a PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) circuit, which essentially just blinks them very fast, so it appears that they dim. Directly, however, no...LEDs are not capable of being dimmed. If you plan on using the standard C5 indicators and gauge faces, I'd go with UV LEDs, in order to get the "fluoresce" from the gauges as Chevy had designed them. At least, that's what I would do. I can design you a LED PWM circuit using a 555 timer, if you want...


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #109, 04-23-2009 12:11 AM
      Wow Cliff I feel honored!!!

I made it to the Construction Zone!!!

Thanks!!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #110, 04-23-2009 12:16 AM
      I am using custom engine turned aluminum gauge faces so the UV leds won't work. However I would love dimable leds if they can work somehow with the Fiero dimmer. If it will, please design it for me and tell me what parts to buy.

Thanks, Trevor!

Paul

 
quote
Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT:


You can in fact use LEDs, with a PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) circuit, which essentially just blinks them very fast, so it appears that they dim. Directly, however, no...LEDs are not capable of being dimmed. If you plan on using the standard C5 indicators and gauge faces, I'd go with UV LEDs, in order to get the "fluoresce" from the gauges as Chevy had designed them. At least, that's what I would do. I can design you a LED PWM circuit using a 555 timer, if you want...




CaddyRob (coldskies@cogeco.ca) MSG #111, 04-23-2009 06:46 PM
      An even easier method to dim the LED's would be to use a BuckPuck, just be sure to get one with dimming. You could use UV LED's or use a Royal Blue either will Florese

Nice build so far by the way!


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #112, 05-15-2009 02:11 PM
      OK. Sorry for the delay. I have been helping Whadeduck clean his shop. Anyway I have the tach working now. The driver's side goes straight across and the passenger side is inverted. I also had to remove the needle and reset it. This is easy. I say that but I fried the volt meter portion of the Camaro board.

Pics coming soon.

Thanks,
Paul



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #113, 06-19-2009 05:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:
Pics coming soon.

Thanks,
Paul







Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #114, 06-20-2009 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

The next question I have is on gauge lighting.

The Corvette gauges are front lit. Should I use leds (it is my understanding that you cannot dim them) or bulbs? I am mounting them where the Covette black lights were.

Thanks for your opinions!

Paul



I really don't know why so many people are convinced you can't dim LEDs. I put LEDs in my Blazer in the instrument panel and all the switches, and they dim just fine off of the stock dimmer without any sophisticated driver circuits or anything. I just used standard 5mm crystal white LED's and resistors to drop the voltage. I suppose it's possible that some LEDs may not be dimmable, I don't claim to know everything, but I *do* know that regular old LEDs can be dimmed without getting complicated.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #115, 09-23-2009 11:53 PM
     

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #116, 09-26-2009 05:46 PM
      SORRY IT HAS BEEN SO LONG!!! I have had a lot going on in my life. I went to Wyotech. Got electrocuted by a welder. Have lost most of the use of my left hand.

Anyway, the car is running and rewired. All we have to do now is put the interior back in the car. It should be back together by the end of the week. .

Any ideas if fiberglass will help extend the dash?

Talk soon!

Paul



Daredevil05 MSG #117, 10-03-2009 07:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

SORRY IT HAS BEEN SO LONG!!! I have had a lot going on in my life. I went to Wyotech. Got electrocuted by a welder. Have lost most of the use of my left hand.




How did that happen?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #118, 10-03-2009 11:50 PM
      I completed the circuit with my arm.


nightonfire (gpantoja@rohan.sdsu.edu) MSG #119, 10-04-2009 12:13 AM
      nice work, I was wondering u have a few pics of the interior but i would like a few pics that fare from the front towardsw the back showing the center console and firewall where the computer is located, really appreceate it


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #120, 06-19-2010 10:20 PM
      Bump


longgonefiero (nicholas.hull@spangdahlem.af.mil) MSG #121, 06-20-2010 04:30 AM
      I must say that the interior mod is one of the better looking ones I have seen. Keep up the good work and keep us informed.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #122, 07-15-2010 08:41 PM
      Just a bump to let you know I will beginworking on the car again in August. Keep your fingers crossed.



Paul



weaselbeak (dynamic_88@hotmail.com) MSG #123, 07-19-2010 12:59 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by War Hammer:

I completed the circuit with my arm.



I hope you're getting a good final outcome with this.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #124, 07-19-2010 07:05 PM
      The nerve is fried . It will continue to degenerate, but I will persevere as best as I can. Eventually I will lose the use of my left arm. I will be doing custom work until my arm fails.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #125, 08-01-2010 10:29 PM
      Just got back from helping Whadeduck with lowering the passenger side front of Ferrario and installing 12" Corvette rotor and Brembo. Wow it's gonna be sweet. War Hammer restarts this week! Keep watching!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #126, 08-09-2010 01:44 AM
      Anyone have drawings for an adapter to put C4 calipers on an '88 with 13" inch Viper rotors?

Paul


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #127, 08-13-2010 08:54 PM
      Just an update. I ordered my whell spacers, seats, steering wheel, and shift knob last night. Pics here.
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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #128, 08-17-2010 07:57 PM
      Everything is supposed to arrive Friday. It is going to be a busy weekend.

Paul


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #129, 08-17-2010 10:52 PM
     
Sounds good !

Looks like you are going wide ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #130, 08-19-2010 12:59 AM
      You know I have had that kit for 2 years + now. Time to do something w it. Hahah!

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #131, 09-01-2010 11:47 PM
      Just finished the cut outs for the gauges. Pics by Friday.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #132, 09-17-2010 12:40 PM
      Tried to mount the shift ball last night. The bottom piece fit fine but the top piece is too small. Almost finished with the driver's side body kit mounting.

Paul



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #133, 09-18-2010 11:43 PM
      Been helping War Hammer put the wide body kit on his car. Looking good so far. A lot of fitting and re-fitting. But it's getting there. Archie makes a product of great quality.





War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #134, 09-22-2010 09:59 PM
      A little more progress with the wiring.

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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #135, 10-04-2010 12:18 PM
      Not much exciting going on. I am continuing the wiring (car side) today. Additionally I am finishing mounting the body kit tonight. I can't say enough good things about the body kit fit. Archie has a great product. I plan to have everything ready for primer next week.

After that stage will come engine mods. I am trying to get 300hp at the wheels. I will swap blowers to a '94-'95 style and drop pulley size down as far as I can go, 36lb injectors, and a reprogram. I think that should just about do it.

Thanks for reading.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #136, 10-12-2010 11:04 AM
      Just an update. I have installed rivet nuts on the doors and rockers. I have lined up all body parts and will be doing bonding of door and fender caps. I removed the front spacers as they just pushed the wheels out too far. Whade Duck and I installed the Mustang scoop on the decklid and cut a large hole under it to vent the engine bay more.

I sent the chip out to be reprogrammed too.

Paul



Odin MSG #137, 10-28-2010 10:15 PM
      This is turning out to be a pretty interesting build, love to see the progress, keep it up!

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #138, 10-30-2010 07:36 PM
      Hello All,

Here are some pics of the install.
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Driver's side modified for rear fender cap.
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The Passenger side ready for the rear fender cap.
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Whadeduck drilling the holes for the Mustang Scoop ('79 if you need to know).
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Closeup of the holes being drilled in the decklid.
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Large hole cut into decklid that is covered by the scoop. This will allow the engine bay to cool much better. We just cut out the area between the support skeleton in the back.
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Driver's side bonded with panel adheasive and finished.
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Passenger side bonded with panel adheasive and finished.
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Hope this tides you over for now.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #139, 11-16-2010 05:31 PM
      Been fiberglassing. Post pics later this week. I forgot how much fun it is. I created more work than I wanted jajaja.

~Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #140, 01-20-2011 02:44 AM
     

Paul any new pics ??


Raven88 (gary.patterson12@charter.net) MSG #141, 02-25-2011 03:03 PM
      Bump for a great build...
Great thread can't wait for more pics...



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #142, 02-28-2011 11:45 PM
      I really appreciate your patients.
I have been going through some rough times.
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Anyway, with out further adu.
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The new, bigger 1995 M62 Supercharger is now painted

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And I have installed a DVD/TV radio in the car.

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I have to kick things up a notch.
I am trying to have the car ready for paint and the interior finished in two weeks. There is a lot of work to do. Install new injectors, plugs, supercharger, pulley, belt, seats, rewire gauges, rewire cpu, install gauges, install door panels (firebird, they go better with the corvette stuff), Fiberglass, sand,bondo, sand, etc.

I only have 15 days to accomplish all of it.

Keep watching and I will keep posting.

Thanks!
Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #143, 03-01-2011 12:02 AM
     

Paul Congratulations on the project.

Are you planning to bring it to Daytona ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #144, 03-01-2011 12:17 AM
      Probably not this year. I have surgery the first part of April. They are literally going to cut off my head. Hahaha. The need to fuse 3 vertibre in my neck or I will be paralized. I was in a bad accident on 12/21/09 and have partial paralysis in my left arm from it and a lot of pain.

When is Daytona this year?

Thanks,
Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #145, 03-01-2011 10:54 PM
      Daytona is the last weekend in March.

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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #146, 03-02-2011 10:04 PM
      Here are some updated pictures. Really not too much going on. Sanding, sanding and sanding. Getting ready for filler. I uerthaned on the panels on the quarters and doors then I fiberglassed over the seams.
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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #147, 03-04-2011 06:49 PM
      Not much going on today. I installed some Bosch Plus 4 spark pligs and I am charging the battery getting her ready to run.

I do have an Idea / question. Everyone I see (jscott, et al) cut off the back of the firebird door panel. Why not section it near the middle to make it fit? Then the arm rest has a much more natural taper.

I am looking into this.

Tomorrow will be a BIG day. New SC and pulley are going on!!!! Also new 36lb injectors too. Sunday after church I will rewire the computer. All next week is sand fill sand fill sand.

If my 13" brake rotors ever come back from the machine shop they will go on too! Along with the braided lines!

Then a few days for the interior.

And then aa well desevers vacation for the rest of the month!!!

I am going to the Dominican Republic to see some beautiful landscape and breathtaking girls.

Have a great day!!!!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #148, 03-04-2011 06:53 PM
      Just looked at the door panel again and answered my own question! Im the words of Homer Simpson, "DooH!".

The upsweep on the door pocket prevents what I was thinking.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #149, 03-06-2011 12:58 AM
      Here is today's progress.
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1. Red (old) Supercharger with fuel rails and vacuum lines off.
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2. The lower intake after the red supercharger was removed.
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In order to get this far the fuel rail, throttle body, belts, spark plug wires, vacuum lines, alternator, and supercharger had to be removed. It took me and Wadeduck 3 hours.
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4. Now the orange (newly rebuilt '95 supercharger) is mounted. The front stud (the one by the pulley) goes in first and then you slide the supercharger across and then down onto the gasket.
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What we have done here is take the original '92 M62 supercharger off and placed a '95 M62 on. The '95 moves more air. I took off the '95's 2.8" pulley and replaced it with the '92's 2.5" pulley. This gives more boost without going crazy. The next photo shows a comparison. The pulleys have been swapped already in this photo.
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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #150, 03-06-2011 01:07 AM
      looking good !



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #151, 03-06-2011 01:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

looking good !


Thanks, Tony!!!

Paul



Fiero2m8 MSG #152, 03-06-2011 10:40 AM
      Looks good Paul. I'll be watching how the firebird door panels turn out. I've been on the fence on that mod.
Cheers,
Ryan



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #153, 03-06-2011 10:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero2m8:

Looks good Paul. I'll be watching how the firebird door panels turn out. I've been on the fence on that mod.
Cheers,
Ryan



Will keep you updated!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #154, 03-06-2011 11:01 PM
      OK, here is today's update.
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I finished putting the vacuum lines, fuel lines and injectors on. I also added a "cold air" intake. It is one I had lying aound. Later I will modify it to get air from the driver side air intake.
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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #155, 03-08-2011 10:21 PM
      Didn't get a lot accomplished today. All I did was remove the stock seatbelts and figure out how to mount the new seats. I have to use Fiero seat rails and drill them to line up with the new seats. there is a 1" difference in that the new seats are wider. at the mounting points. If I drill new holes in the rail 1/2" close to the inside of the seat everything should workout.

Paul



Troy (troylaffoon@aol.com) MSG #156, 03-22-2011 08:00 PM
      Nice build man.
How much did the bodykit run you in all


FieroDev MSG #157, 03-24-2011 01:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Troy:

Nice build man.
How much did the bodykit run you in all


I've looked into one too, decided its not for me (at the moment)
http://v8archie.com/v8Archie/home.htm
Products -> exterior -> widebody


Xyster MSG #158, 04-05-2011 02:13 PM
      I love this build. It is such a clean looking build. My favorite thing is that it looks like a lightly modified new car and not the heavily modified 23 year old car that it really is. In other words, I find it to be very professionally completed. Definitely not amateur hour.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #159, 06-01-2011 06:24 PM
     

update ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #160, 06-26-2011 10:06 PM
      Sorry it has been a while. My father has been ill and it takes a lot of my time. I will be working on it this week though. Sorry it is taking so long.

Paul



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #161, 06-27-2011 12:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Driver Side


Paul




Dude, I'm digging the sterring wheel you got there! Oh yeah, the widebody too.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #162, 06-27-2011 09:53 AM
      Thank you! I feel honored.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #163, 06-27-2011 11:37 AM
      Sorry double post.

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Tony Kania MSG #164, 06-27-2011 11:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

Sorry it has been a while. My father has been ill and it takes a lot of my time. I will be working on it this week though. Sorry it is taking so long.

Paul



There are times when sorry is not necessary.

Any info on where you purchased your wheel spacers? They look well done, and I am in the market for 1" spacers. Thanks in advance.

Tony


Boogaloo MSG #165, 06-27-2011 04:29 PM
      These guys are the best been dealing with them many years and american custom made .
http://www.motorsport-tech.com/


jwrape MSG #166, 06-28-2011 10:02 AM
      I love your build, nicely done.

BUT, I love my spacers too, but these look dangerous for the shear lateral force on the spacers. They are so offsprung with what looks like 6" on the rear end.

Please explain how this will work without putting to much shear force on those? I may be wrong.



Boogaloo MSG #167, 06-28-2011 01:42 PM
      They are not dangerous as you may think get them from these guys , the cheaper ones are not made from a solid block of 6061 aluminum but cast metal.The reason why I use these guys I have their spacers on my Chevy dually converting from 5 to 8 lugs going on 5 years with no problems and I use it for work hauling a 6 car carrier and carrying loads too.

Accidents can happen and wheels come off regular hubs as they can with adapters so it is not like like it happens every day.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #168, 07-03-2011 07:33 PM
      Porsche used spacers on all their flaired 911's (930, 935, etc). They handle it fine. Archie's uses them too without any issues. I am running just a little over 300hp at the wheels so I feel all will be OK.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #169, 07-09-2011 12:24 AM
      I worked on the car a little tonight. More getting frustrated than accomplishing anything. I did however get the last 2 fuel injectors installed. Now it should just be a matter or rewiring the computer from OBD1 to OBD1.5 (94-95).

Tried repinning the ECM to no avail. Can't seem to get the pins out.

Let you know more tomorrow.

Paul



turbodad (brown78251@satx.rr.com) MSG #170, 07-09-2011 12:40 AM
      You have a pm.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #171, 07-09-2011 12:45 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:


There are times when sorry is not necessary.

Any info on where you purchased your wheel spacers? They look well done, and I am in the market for 1" spacers. Thanks in advance.

Tony


Hi Tony,

I purchased them from an eBay member. I will see if I can find a link for you.

Paul


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #172, 07-09-2011 01:17 AM
      Here is the link : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item2311b4f498 You will have to contact him for 1"

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #173, 07-09-2011 01:38 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by jwrape:

I love your build, nicely done.

BUT, I love my spacers too, but these look dangerous for the shear lateral force on the spacers. They are so offsprung with what looks like 6" on the rear end.

Please explain how this will work without putting to much shear force on those? I may be wrong.




Good Guess - 3.00" on each side. Actually 2 1.5" spacers on each side allowing the use of shorter grade 8 lug bolts. Less prone to snapping. If you use spacers or custom wheels it still changes the force and strain on the bearings, axles, etc. I was forced to use spacers due to budgetary restraints. The 930 utilized similar spacers (3.00" each side) with long bolts and it held up ok.

I hope that helps explain.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #174, 08-28-2011 11:25 PM
      Sorry it has been so long everyone. My father has been ill and I was needed to help.

I worked on War Hammer tonight. My arm gives out after barely an hour. I did, however, get the fiberglassed smoothed on the passenger side rear fender cap. It is ready for filler now . I am here all week so I hope to get all the fiberglass prepped and ready for primer.

It is ambitious but I think accomplishable. It does depend on the arm though. (For those that do not know I received 140 amps to my left arm that burned the insulation off the median nerve. It causes a tremendous amount of pain.)

I promise I will post more pics as things progress.

BTW, if anyone needs any paint work of pinstriping done I am your man.

Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #175, 08-28-2011 11:39 PM
     

Cool !

Glad to see you are back at it Paul.

Keep plugging away little by little and before you know it, it will be done !


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #176, 08-29-2011 12:14 AM
      Hope so. This economy has really taken the fight out of me. I didn't need to take off since April, but what can I say he is my Dad.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #177, 09-10-2011 08:35 PM
      No new pictures but basically just sanding and fiberglassing and more sanding. Anyone that does it understands it. It is getting close to puttying. Probably next week.

Today touched up the few serious air pockets I have found with more glass and I gave the front bumper darts their first layer. It is hard sometimes not to just sit and remember how far the car has come and that I have done most of it. Without Richard (Whadeduck) though it would never have gotten this far.

Tomorrow I will put the car on jack stands for 2 reasons: 1) To prepare the car for dis-assembly for paint and 2) to change the rear spark plugs. Also the car sits so low it will help me work on the rockers in a little more comfort.

More updates coming soon!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #178, 09-13-2011 02:15 PM
      Here are the pictures I promised. Since these were taken the car has been placed on jack stands. It is coming along slowly but surely!


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As they say in the Dominican Republic - Poco un poco (little by little).

More updates soon!

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #179, 09-19-2011 10:20 PM
      Hello everyone.

Not much new. I have finished aligning the passenger side rocker. You must use the fender liner for alignment. I don't like this method but it is the only thing that works.

Other that that not much going on. I intend to align the driver's side either tomorrow or Wednesday.

TTYL

Paul



Tork MSG #180, 09-28-2011 12:23 PM
      ANy updates man? The car is lookin pretty good.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #181, 09-28-2011 05:58 PM
      Just more sanding and glassing. I have the front darts glassed in on the first layer at least. The plan this weekend is to do some work on the bumper. It is the part that lined up the least with everything. After I get the exterior finished I need to start on the doors. Power windows, door locks, and firebird door panels. The seats will be fitted soon as well.

Maybe in a month or two she will be on the way to the paint booth. Charcoal grey metallic or flat black with orange trim.

Pictures over the weekend I promise.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #182, 09-28-2011 06:07 PM
      For all that read this I am considering bolting the aftermarket seat rails straight to the floor. Would you consider this to be safe? I will use grade 8 hardware. I never want the rust monster to creep in because of this though.

The reason for mounting them in this fashion is later I will probably be chopping the top. If I reused the factory rails the seat would not fit when this is completed. Also I never did like the canted inward look of the factory mounting.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #183, 10-02-2011 11:49 PM
      Hello All,

Just posting something that doesn't involve sanding or 'glassing. Rivnuts!

Here are a couple of pics of how I am mounting my back bumper cover. I replaced the plastic rivet things that I hate (haven't found anyone that likes 'em) with Rivnuts. The actual process only took about half an hour. This will make ti so much easier to put on and take off the rear bumper repeatedly.




Also as you can see the rear bumper is filthy and has some surface corrosion starting so I am taking it off and repainting it with a zinc primer and satin topcoat.

That is all for today!

Keep smiling

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #184, 10-03-2011 08:58 PM
      Here is today's progress on the bumper (not the cover).

What I started with.



Let the sanding begin!







I should have it under primer tomorrow.
First it will get a couple of coats of a zinc primer. Why zinc primer? Because rust will not creep on zinc.
Second it will get a couple of coats of Upol 2 part primer.

That will get it ready for a top coat on Wednesday if the weather holds.

Have a great evening!

Paul



whadeduck (richardjborton@gmail.com) MSG #185, 10-03-2011 09:16 PM
      Nope. Nothing OCD there.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #186, 10-03-2011 11:20 PM
      I like to stop cancer before it does damage. Our cars aren't getting any younger Ducky but they are still younger than us.



Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #187, 10-09-2011 12:45 AM
      I am having difficulty transferring pictures. Here is the update though. I have primed with a Zinc primer and then 3 coats of 2 part urethane primer.

Tomorrow I will be sanding the primer and painting the bumper with Satin finish black. 3 coats of course.

Updates soon.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #188, 10-10-2011 12:24 AM
      Got the primer sanded today but rain stopped the painting.

Otherwise, nothing new to report except I purchased some flat steel to make some seat mounts. That should be fun this week.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #189, 10-11-2011 12:44 PM
      Ok. For some reason the Sprint to Yahoo mail lag has been huge but some pictures finally came through.

First some with the GREEN zinc rich, self etching primer. I used this because rust doesn't creep on zinc. I acquired it years ago for a 280z project. Platicote.










And now for some pictures of the grey primer. It is a 2 part urethane primer that is like a spray putty. It can be applied dierectly over bare metal. It goes on with a little bit of a texture but does it ever sand smooth. It is designed to fill in small imperfections that you missed like sanding scratches, rust pits, etc. The stuff is fantastic. U-pol 20:25 is the model number. I purchased it at my local FinishMaster store but most other professional suppliers can get it. I think it was about $100.00per gallon.





As soon as I get a break in the weather I will topcoat in satin black with a product I found on eBay, KemFX. 1.5 gallons for $150.00 delivered. If it works out this will be the initial color for War Hammer.

Until the next time...

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #190, 10-16-2011 01:22 PM
      Getting closer to the dream!



Bumper is painted and dry. Pictures today I promise. I cannot say enough good things about the KhemFX paint. With my guns it works best to spray at 50psi. I buy it off of eBay.

Pics tonight.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #191, 10-17-2011 02:31 PM
      Bumper is black.

Whadeduck thinks the rest of the car will be dust before this thing starts to rust.





Let me know what you all think about this.

Paul

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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #192, 10-22-2011 11:09 PM
      OK. Sorry it took a few days to get pictures of the finished bumper installed. l think it made an improvement in both looks and, more importantly, the longevity of the part. I realize to many of you this is overkill but I was always taught that anything worth doing is worth doing well.

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I will be updating again soon.

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #193, 10-26-2011 09:27 AM
      OK. The blessing and curse of doing just about everything to a car is that you can jump around to avoid boredom. So in the midst of all this bodywork I decided to start working on the power door locks to alleviate the boredom of fiberglass-sand-fiberglass-sand.

Here is a bracket I fabbed up using a little angle. All I used was a grinder so it isn't perfect but not too bad.





And of course more fiberglass.




I should get more work done on it tomorrow.

Until then!

Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #194, 12-07-2011 02:47 PM
     
Bump.

Hey Paul we need an update fix !


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #195, 01-12-2012 06:25 PM
      Coming soon!


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #196, 01-14-2012 02:22 PM
     

[This message has been edited by 30+mpg (edited 01-14-2012).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #197, 01-24-2012 08:35 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by War Hammer:

Coming soon!


is is soon yet ? hehehe


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #198, 04-10-2012 10:16 AM
     


Hey Paul,

Is it hammertime yet ??


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #199, 10-03-2012 05:07 PM
      Miami Bump!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #200, 10-04-2012 09:20 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by War Hammer:

Miami Bump!


Miami bump ?? huh ??


jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #201, 11-29-2012 03:02 AM
      any updates?



Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #202, 11-30-2012 12:13 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by War Hammer:

Getting closer to the dream!






I think this car has been at the Coast run on HW#1 in CA, yes? I just dont remember the year?
VERY nice car, V8 and great looks.

[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 11-30-2012).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #203, 02-05-2013 09:41 PM
      How much is fair to pay to transport War Hammer to Archie. The new job is just not leaving any spare time.

Regards



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #204, 02-05-2013 09:45 PM
      Another Series 1 guy!!! Horray!!!

I have taken a job that gets in the way. Seeing if Archie can/will finish her. The lease on the garage is up. Got to get her somewhere.

Paul

 
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Originally posted by jb1:

any updates?





War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #205, 02-05-2013 09:49 PM
      Working in Miami now. Leaves little time for War Hammer!

Paul

 
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Originally posted by exoticse:


Miami bump ?? huh ??




War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #206, 02-27-2013 01:24 AM
      Just an update. Taking War Hammer home today from the shop. I will be unable to work on it until the end of April or the first part of May. Hope to accomplish a lot then.

Warm regards to all.

Paul



jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #207, 02-27-2013 03:30 AM
      understand time issue , I started new job have tons and tons of parts to get mine back on road , but no time to do so.. I have full C5 Interior to go in aswell, there again no time...



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #208, 02-28-2013 01:40 AM
      Packed up War Hammer and the parts from the storage unit and moved it to the house. More updates will be coming next month.





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And these last few just before placing it on the trailer.
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We had to remove the rear bumper cover so we could push the car onto the trailer. Without Whadeduck and his friend Darren it would not have been possible. He truly is a dear friend!
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Paul



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #209, 02-28-2013 03:00 AM
     

Looking good Paul.

I saw where you are working in Miami, so where is home now ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #210, 02-28-2013 01:06 PM
      The car is at my house in Myrtle Beach, SC. I am not going to move it again until I find work that is a little more stable.

Paul
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:
Looking good Paul.

I saw where you are working in Miami, so where is home now ?




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #211, 08-02-2013 01:20 AM
     

Bump for an update.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #212, 10-26-2013 10:27 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:
Bump for an update.


Been quite ill (3 bypass) Will back back to work on it after the first of the year. Recovering in the Dom Rep right now.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #213, 10-27-2013 12:11 AM
     

Wow Paul,

Sorry to hear about your health issues, quite ill is an understatement.

Get better buddy.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #214, 12-02-2013 01:37 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by jb1:

understand time issue , I started new job have tons and tons of parts to get mine back on road , but no time to do so.. I have full C5 Interior to go in aswell, there again no time...



How goes the c5 interior install?

Paul



jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #215, 12-02-2013 12:50 PM
      I finished the cluster ( it is acceptable but could be better), got to add some back lighting, I have been working more on replacing suspension and eliminating 2nd gear starts,
which I believe is resolved,,, I will try and get started on installing the c5 interior in a couple weeks...
Your car is what made me want the c5 interior back when it was first shown here on the forum.
I hope you have a speedy recovery and post some updates on yours soon..



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #216, 12-30-2013 03:45 AM
      I am getting a little better. I am moving back to Ohio soon (March) where I have a garage to work on it and family to help me a little. Also, Lord permitting I am getting married in a couple of weeks to my wonderful girlfriend, Yissel.

So I will have an extra set of hands to help me.

I hope everyone had aMerry Christmas and has a Happy New Year!!!

Paul



jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #217, 12-30-2013 03:54 AM
      Glad your feeling better, congrats or i'm sorry on marriage (which ever you feel more suiting lol). Ready to see some updates, your car is what got me started on my C5 interior...



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #218, 12-30-2013 04:05 AM
     

hammer what part of ohio ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #219, 12-30-2013 02:31 PM
      Southern. Close to KY and WV.

 
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Originally posted by exoticse:
hammer what part of ohio ?




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #220, 12-30-2013 10:16 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by War Hammer:

Southern. Close to KY and WV.



Cool ! i was born and raised in SW Ohio, near cincy. I visit my family a couple times a year maybe next fall i will look you up and check out your build ?


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #221, 12-31-2013 01:11 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by exoticse:


Cool ! i was born and raised in SW Ohio, near cincy. I visit my family a couple times a year maybe next fall i will look you up and check out your build ?


I am only 2 hours from cincy. See you soon!!!


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #222, 04-05-2015 02:39 PM
      Bump



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #223, 06-16-2016 07:15 PM
      Good News! Getting Married Again!! We are moving to Myrtle Beach where War Hammer has been waiting. Time to get it finished! JB1 Hit me up and let me know howto finish the dash please.

We should be there August 1st.



Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #224, 07-31-2016 02:23 PM
      Getting closer to the move! Her passport arrives Wednesday!



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #225, 08-09-2016 12:02 AM
      Still waiting on the passports so I can't move yet! Grrrr

Paul



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #226, 03-23-2017 04:49 PM
      Sorry it has been a bit.

My mother was ill and later passed (1/1/2017).

My family finally made here. I hope to start back on the car in May or June.



Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #227, 03-24-2017 01:35 PM
      Sorry to hear about your loss.

Rick Morehouse (fieros4u@sccoast.net) MSG #228, 08-19-2017 01:36 PM
      Paul; Sorry about your Mother's passing. Congrats on your new bride. Is Wade Duck still alive? Yep, ain't been on here in yrs. Nope-no work on any fieros either. Got side tracked on 2nd gen. firebirds. Rick

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #229, 12-20-2017 05:24 PM
      For sale: 9,995 USD or reasonable offer. I lost my storage.



War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #230, 02-28-2018 12:41 PM
      Last chance before I part it out. War Hammer is for sale.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #231, 02-28-2018 12:42 PM
      Start parting it tomorrow unless I hear otherwise.



dskebo (dskebo@msn.com) MSG #232, 03-15-2018 07:32 PM
      You have a pm