The ClayTonto Fiero Build
Topic started by: Archie, Date: 02-17-2009 01:19 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000085.html


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #1, 02-17-2009 01:19 PM
      As discussed in the What's up at Archie's thread, I'm starting a build thread on ClayTonto's car.

When the car got to our shop He had already completed a 383 stroker 6 speed swap to his '87 GT. He had already had norm install a flipper nose on the car.

We are in the process of doing a Mad-Arch WideBody installation. We are also installing a PISA wraparound dash & installing digital gages the he supplied & CF tail light assemblies. This is a non-chopped car & we are also designing a rear hatch decklid on the car.

There are several other things we are doing to the car but that's the just of it.

When it got here, it looked like this......



In order to make this thread complete he has given me some copies of the pictures he took when doing the engine/trans swap. I'll post those up here.

If you have any questions about that part of the build, you can ask him about that in this thread also.

So here we go........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #2, 02-17-2009 01:50 PM
      Here is the donor car



He has been a professional sound system designer & here are a few pics of the sound system he had in the car. Note that the system is not in the car right now as he is going to be installing a new one when we're done with the car.





Engine/trans swap pictures





























There you go. Next we'll get to our part of the build.

Archie



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #3, 02-17-2009 02:10 PM
      Pontiac excitement!



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #4, 02-17-2009 02:18 PM
      nice something new to save to favorites!

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #5, 02-17-2009 05:42 PM
     

We need a name for this one.

Here's a few specs:
Engine: Chevrolet 383 V8 + N.O.S.
Tranny: F40 MT2 6-speed, Spec Stage 3+ clutch
Front Suspension: HT Motorsports Slalom kit w/ fabricated tubular upper and lower control arms, adjustable coilovers, HHP adjustable sway bars
Rear Suspension: Tubular lower control arm with adjustable Koni struts and HHP adjustable sway bars
Brakes: 13" Wilwood crossdrilled slotted rotors, 4 piston Billet calipers, high pressure master cylinder w/ fully adjustable biasing

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #6, 02-17-2009 07:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:



We need a name for this one.


Your car is the 1st of it's kind in several ways (perhaps more to follow due to the making of hatch mold); hatchback using the 350Z glass, Mad-Arch wide body kit, and Norms Flipper.

it's your call.


Mister MSG #7, 02-17-2009 08:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



I guess that's how you stroke an engine


CTFieroGT87 (ct5585@yahoo.com) MSG #8, 02-17-2009 10:31 PM
      As enthusiastic as I am for a new swap and the car in general, it pains me to see another set of Sandersons going on a car that'll actually be driven. I really wonder how long it'll take for them to start cracking... 8 months for my first time.



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #9, 02-18-2009 03:25 AM
      I'm hoping to beat your record of 8 months, then again I do need an excuse to have some custom longtubes made.


ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #10, 02-18-2009 06:56 AM
     
 
quote


Is it just me or are these calipers on upside down (bleeder is at the bottom)?
Since they are Willwoods I suspect they have been put on the wrong sides.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #11, 02-18-2009 10:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ltlfrari:

Is it just me or are these calipers on upside down (bleeder is at the bottom)?
Since they are Willwoods I suspect they have been put on the wrong sides.



Actually there are 4 bleeders on each of the calipers. Top & bottom & inside & outside.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #12, 02-18-2009 01:57 PM
      Ok

We started working on this stuff on Jan. 9th. & have been working on it pretty steady.

We've been working in several different areas at the same time. That gives us other things to do while we wait on fiberglass to cure on someparts while we work in other areas. So this will jump around a bit but I'll try to keep it in the order we have been working on it.

In the interior, we were putting in a big speaker into the area between the seats. That ment that we had to make the area that covered the original ECM thicker for the speaker box & other items behind it. To do that we had to move that center section forward. That ment that we also had to cut & section the piece of the console that is between the seats so that it met up with the center area of the dashboard. The fiberglass of the dash, console & back section were made of thin fiberglass. So in the center speaker area we had to make the glass thicker to support the weight of the speaker. In certain areas of the dash (like the speaker areas & the center gage mounting area) we also had make the glass thicker so we had enough material to finish the areas correctly. For example, in the speaker areas on the top of the dash, we wanted to use the stock speaker covers. By the time we got those areas shaped to where the speaker covers would fit into them like they fit into the stock dash, we were breaking thru the fiberglass of the dash so in those areas we had thicken it up a bit.

Here we have removed the old dash & are doing the initial fitting of the new one.....







While working on this, we were also working on mounting the NOS bottle on custom brackets above the Battery.









Here we're working on extending the center speaker console....









......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #13, 02-18-2009 02:13 PM
      The dash doesn't have any provisions for bolting it in, so we made some mounting brackets & pop rivited them in & they were fiberglassed in a little later on.





Here we built up the thickness of the dash in the areas of the center gage mounting & the speaker grills.





Fitting the speakers & the dashboard end vents









........


Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #14, 02-18-2009 02:18 PM
      How long is this car planned to be at Archie's place? Are we still on for our spring 'get-together' or are you having to back down due to mods?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #15, 02-18-2009 02:34 PM
      Next comes the fun part of making the ductwork from behind the Fiero dash fit the inside of the new dash.

I've been told that some people duct tape this stuff into place. However, we won't be upholstering this dash here & we'd like to mount everything in place so the dash (& other parts) can be removed & serviced & reinstalled without someone saying "why did they duct tape this stuff in place?".

So after fitting the dash back into the car a couple of times & making some brackets, we set about glassing the brackets into place.







We also fitted the gage panel along the way.....



While the fiberglass setup on the dash, we made & glassed in the back wall of the center speaker box area....







On all this glassing, we don't like to do stuff twice so when we complete one step, we fit everything back into the car to make sure it all fits right before going to the next step.

For example on the center speaker box. Fit it all into the car, measure twice, cut once & fiberglass once.

More to come later.

Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #16, 02-18-2009 02:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jncomutt:

How long is this car planned to be at Archie's place? Are we still on for our spring 'get-together' or are you having to back down due to mods?


I don't know what you all have planned but all the stuff you're seeing now & for the next several posts is done already. The project is growing a bit as we go & as he keeps finding other things he wants done. But as of right now, we've started making the mold off of the outside of the rear hatch & by the time we're done with designing the rest of the hatch everything else should be done.

Archie


Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #17, 02-18-2009 03:43 PM
      Nice! This is good news.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #18, 02-18-2009 04:52 PM
      In these pics, you can see how much was added to the back end of the center back console to make enough room for the speaker to mount into it.





Here the dash is starting to take shape, gage holes are cut & mounting brackets are being fabbed for the mounting of the center of the dash. We can now modify the center console section to fit inbetween the dash & the rear console area.









I was out of town for most of the day when the center console was modified but here's a pic of it as it was glassed back together.



Here Kris is fitting the shifter boot & other items to the center console.







The Fiero air ducting doesn't come all the way up to the new fiberglass dash in the center section....



And in the air outlets on the ends of the dash....



In the center area, we made a thin metal extension on the end of the Fiero duct to bring it farther back.

On the ends, we fiberglassed a shroud on the ends of the dash. Here's a before & after pic.





Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #19, 02-18-2009 09:16 PM
      We took the console & speaker box area back to fiberglass one more time to glass in some steel in a few places for the screws that are going to hold the parts together. We didn't really want to just screw the fasteners into the fiberglass because the glass would let go of the threads after a while. So we glassed in some steel in the areas where the attachment screws are going to go thru.

Kris also put the hinge on the glove box door.

Then after some filling & sanding we painted the dash a primer gray.....

















Notice that even the shifter boot has metal to screw into & doesn't just screw into raw fiberglass.



The we put the interior together.....













Next, we start fabricating the CAI & qtr. window scoops

Archie


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #20, 02-18-2009 10:24 PM
      Looking great, Archie.
Any luck with the steering wheel?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #21, 02-19-2009 01:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Actually there are 4 bleeders on each of the calipers. Top & bottom & inside & outside.

Archie


Some haters think that I'm either too stupid to know what a bleed screw looks like or that I can't count.





But they keep reading my threads, maybe someday they'll learn something but I doubt it.

Archie

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #22, 02-19-2009 03:20 PM
      Nice job Archie.
when are you going to start the widebody on this car? or have you?


IFLYR22 (lunas0777@gmail.com) MSG #23, 02-19-2009 03:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Some haters think that I'm either too stupid to know what a bleed screw looks like or that I can't count.

But they keep reading my threads, maybe someday they'll learn something but I doubt it.

Archie



They are just used to the (I guess?) newer ones from willwood... I first thought the suspension was upside down when I saw the toe-adjustment linkage.
But I figured you would know more than I would.

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Nice build by the way.


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #24, 02-19-2009 06:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IFLYR22:


They are just used to the (I guess?) newer ones from willwood... I first thought the suspension was upside down when I saw the toe-adjustment linkage.
But I figured you would know more than I would.

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Nice build by the way.


If you notice in the picture there is a sticker that says "fluid". Thats where the brake line goes in. The other two lines are positive pressure bleeders. And your half right on the suspension, the toe adjustment was relocated to the bottom to clear the 6-speed.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #25, 02-19-2009 07:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:








Archie


Very nice dash works. Looks OEM, but tweaked.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #26, 02-19-2009 07:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The project is growing a bit as we go & as he keeps finding other things he wants done.
Archie



Since you mentioned it (and if you don't mind) I would replace the head/park lamps OEM switch and use Watson's Street gauges and window switches. Besides, Clayton has the 2nd generation headlamps from Norm. They don't use the crappy bucket lamps.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #27, 02-19-2009 11:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IFLYR22:


They are just used to the (I guess?) newer ones from willwood... I first thought the suspension was upside down when I saw the toe-adjustment linkage.
But I figured you would know more than I would.



We're not doing any mechanical work on this car. I think all the suspension & brakes came from Held & the owner of the car put it all together. So they might be the ones to talk to about it.

Thanks

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #28, 02-20-2009 12:51 AM
      Back to the build....

At this point we have 5 different areas of the car that we’re working on at the same time.

We’re working on the hatch, the tail lights, front grills, the CAI & we’re stiffening up the front clip.

As stated in another thread, we are working on a hatchback type decklid on this car. You’ll be able to se how it develops from scratch thru final product in this thread. While we’re doing that we’ll be installing some C/F looking tail light lenses. Also we’ll put in some grills in the Flipper front clip along with putting a little steel in the clip to stiffen it a bit.. The customer supplied some C/F overlaid qtr. Window scoops & we’ll be building air boxes in those scoops & building a CAI to the aircleaner.

Starting out with work on the hatchback conversion. People who have seen pictures of it in another thread will be surprised to know that we’re building the buck for the outside skin of the hatch starting with a pc. of thin plywood.

This is how you build something fresh & new. It doesn't matter what it looks like on the 1st day as long as it's right on the last day.

These pics show several days of that process.

















After a day of sanding & shaping, we put a little primer on it...













Archie




Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #29, 02-20-2009 11:31 AM
      I think when this car is painted, it would look badass if the area between the sunroof and rear window was painted black to make it appear as one large window. Similar to what was done on the Scion Tc for example...



quick photoshop

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Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #30, 02-20-2009 12:07 PM
      Suggestion:
You could move the HVAC controls to the bottom, and make room for a double DIN stereo to future proof that dash. Worst case, you can always find a compartment tray/lockable tray to put trinkets in if you decide to use a single DIN for now.

i.e.: http://blog.sounddomain.com.../scosche/nn1463b.jpg
[IMG]https://www.autotoys.com/pics/BKFMK542.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.nexxia.co.uk/Car_Stereo_fitting_kits/images/FP-015.jpg[/IMG


Fiero STS (onesupermech@netscape.net) MSG #31, 02-20-2009 12:45 PM
      Is it just me or would the rear window look better with the rounded corners at the top?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #32, 02-20-2009 01:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero STS:

Is it just me or would the rear window look better with the rounded corners at the top?


It might look better with rounded corners but we wanted to use the 350Z rear window because of the size & curvature in it. The 350Z window is tempered & you're not going to cut a radius in the corners without breaking it.

On Curley's car we used the same window & you don't notice the sharp corners at the top of the window because we did his without a border at the top of the window. However, on his car we had to put an arc in the roof section behind the sunroof to match the arc in the 350Z rear window.

On this design we wanted the rear Hatch kit to be as easy to install as possible & with no body modifications to the Fiero rear clip. So we needed a border at the top of the window so that we could match the arc of the rear window & so we could put steel inside the rear hatch for bolting the hinges to.

On Curley's car, building it without the border at the top ment that we had to put in a steel bar underneath the top blacked out area of the 350Z window & that bar is what the front of the window is bonded to. (see note below)

As you can tell, a lot of planning went into this hatch before work began & consideration of the compromises was part of that.

You can check out Curley's build thread to find detailed pictures of all of this. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000053.html

Thanks

Archie

Edited to add...... The rear window on Curley's car t's not bonded in with body filler type "Bondo".

It's bonded as in "Glued" to the bar with 3M Window Weld, which is the stuff you glue (or bond) Windshields in with.

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #33, 02-20-2009 01:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jncomutt:

I think when this car is painted, it would look badass if the area between the sunroof and rear window was painted black to make it appear as one large window. Similar to what was done on the Scion Tc for example...



quick photoshop



Thanks for the suggestion, I can assure you that area will be painted black. This is what I'm shooting for:


 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

Suggestion:
You could move the HVAC controls to the bottom, and make room for a double DIN stereo to future proof that dash. Worst case, you can always find a compartment tray/lockable tray to put trinkets in if you decide to use a single DIN for now.


Thanks.I am going to run a motorized flip out in-dash, which will cover the dated HVAC controls when open.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #34, 02-20-2009 08:53 PM
      You know, i don't think there's a thread on this forum thatr has as many pictures on the 1st page as this one.

I'm sorry about that but I'm going to be posting more. I just want to get caught up with this thread to current time. I hate being behind.

So here's some more.

We continue with some work on the tail light covers.

They're made out of fiberglass with a CF finish to the outside face. I don't know how long they've sat around but they're warped a bit...





We took some time to fixture the covers to make them straight then laid a couple of layers of fiberglass into them to try to keep them straight.

There are no provisions to mount the covers so we'll plan our own.



During that time, we also installed the front grills....

When we're doing something like this we make metal mounting tabs & bond them into place around the openings...



Then we glass the mounting tabs on with fiberglass & resin....



Then we can bolt on the grills. Later when the car is painted the grills can be removed for a better paint job.







......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #35, 02-20-2009 09:29 PM
      Not wasting any time, we also began work on building the CAI system that will run from air boxes in the qtr. Window scoops…..



to the dual inlet 4” air cleaner.



We cut, fitted & mounted the grills in the scoops. Note that after the air boxes are built, you’ll never get to the grills again, so they’re mounted in pretty solid.



The CAI is going to be 4” in Diameter & ducted directly from the qtr. window scoops. So we needed some 4” Dia. Fiberglass tubes that will be a part of the 2 air boxes & allow the 4” dia. Polished aluminum CAI tubes to attach to them.

You can’t buy anything like that anywhere, so we had to make them…..





Next it's back to work on the hatch....

Archie

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #36, 02-21-2009 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Archie


ooh, shiny stuff


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #37, 02-21-2009 01:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Not wasting any time.



Archie



Yeah, no kidding. Keep on posting away.... this is PONTIAC excitement!

Any pics of the strut tower bar in the pic?


normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #38, 02-21-2009 10:48 PM
      Hello Archie, you and your crew are doing a great job as usuall. Thanks Norm

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #39, 02-22-2009 12:41 PM
      Once again, I'm sorry there are so many pictures on just one page of this thread.

I was kinda hoping there would be enough replies to take it over to page 2 but I guess not.

I wanted to get all this stuff posted to get the thread up to date so we can post current progress as it occurs.

So now we're back to work on the hatch.....

In addition to the outside surface, we intend to make the area where the window is mounted & the “package tray” area that covers the trunk, all as one part. So it was time to form the package tray area…..







Some sanding filling & smoothing & we’re ready to start the mold making process.

Got to get it just as smooth as you would if it was a finished part.…







After removing the hatch “Buck” from the car, Kris is spraying the 1st of several coats of Duratec on it.

Notice the triangular shaped framework underneath the “Buck”. That’s a box steel framework we had used to weld the buck to the Fiero chassis to keep it from moving around while did all the work to build the “Buck”.



After about 4 coats of Duratec & drying time, Kris spent a full day of wet snading, polishing & waxing of the “Buck”

Remember, the mold that is going to make the finished product is going to come directly off of this surface. So the quality & smoothness you put in right now is going to be ON EVERY PART that you take out of the finished mold. So if you have a nick or scratch on this "buck", it's easier to fix it now than to fix every part that come out of the mold.....





Archie


mcaanda (mcaanda@gmail.com) MSG #40, 02-22-2009 02:02 PM
      I really like that decklid option - I know you said that you were going to offer vent options for it as well. Any timelines on getting some pics of those?



TiredGXP MSG #41, 02-22-2009 02:40 PM
      The decklid looks good.

I'm curious about how effective the vents will be in venting heat from the engine compartment. Since they face forward, I'd expect a fair amount of cool air to be forced in when up to speed, but what about extended periods of low speed or idling such as you'd encounter during rush hour?

Cheers

**edit** there you go, page two - time to load up on pictures again

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #42, 02-22-2009 03:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie



You might as-well get a nice MOMO sterring wheel to go along with the interior.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #43, 02-22-2009 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TiredGXP:

The decklid looks good.

I'm curious about how effective the vents will be in venting heat from the engine compartment. Since they face forward, I'd expect a fair amount of cool air to be forced in when up to speed, but what about extended periods of low speed or idling such as you'd encounter during rush hour?

Cheers

**edit** there you go, page two - time to load up on pictures again



That question leads directly into the next item we're going to cover in this thread.

As you will see coming up, the qtr. window scoops will not be dicting any outside air into the engine compartment. They will be a part of the CAI only.

Let me show you as we get back into building the CAI......

We wanted to mock it up & didn’t want to scratch up the Polished tubes we had, so we used 4” Dia cardboard tube.



We needed to mock it up so that we could figure out where the 4” fiberglass tubes we made were going to have to be located in the qtr. Window scoops.

Here Kris made a triangular shaped flat fiberglass pc. That’ll fit inside the qtr. Window scoops. Then we positioned the scoops on the car & determined where the 4” Dia. Fiberglass tubes, that we had made, were going to have to be located. Here he is glassing those tubes onto the scoops.









Then it was time to fiberglass them onto the back sides of the scoops.







Next, we finish up with the tail light covers.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #44, 02-22-2009 03:47 PM
      Finally we got back to working on the tail lights. We had to wait for the hatch “Buck” to be removed from the car we were fitting it to so we could use the MadArch WideBody rear clip to fit the tail lights into.

As we fitted them to the rear clip, the 2 lights didn’t come together in the middle tight enough & as a result the total width of the tail light parts were too wide for the tail light opening in the rear clip.





We couldn’t cut the CF layered outside surface to modify them so we had to modify the inboard ends slightly.





Kris made some brackets for mounting them & glassed those into place.







They look pretty good when we fit them into the car....









Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #45, 02-22-2009 04:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Archie


Nice "save."


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #46, 02-22-2009 04:11 PM
      Now, finally, I'll be caught up with this thread......

The last couple of days have been all about making the mold off of the “Buck”.

After a couple of thick coats of tooling jelcoat, we laid up about 6 heavy layers of fiberglass.





Then some material to stiffen up the mold & a couple of more layers of fiberglass





After it sits for a couple of days, we take the mold off of the buck.....

This is the mold....



This is the "Buck". The "Buck" is pretty much dumpster material now.

In a few days, after we get a part out of the mold, it'll be in the dumpster.





Wet sand, polish then wax the mold about 8 to 10 times.



Next the plan is to take a part out of the mold to use as we build a "Buck" for the underside of the hatch.

We also plan to take a 2nd part out of the mold to use in designing the vents.

That's it, I'm caught up.

Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #47, 02-22-2009 10:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Have you decided upon which type of side markers your going to use?

For the front flipper and rear 350Z glass it might be best to use actuators.

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #48, 02-23-2009 01:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

You might as-well get a nice MOMO sterring wheel to go along with the interior.


I'll be using a Grant wheel with integrated Pontiac horn

Edit: to put right wheel up
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Have you decided upon which type of side markers your going to use?

For the front flipper and rear 350Z glass it might be best to use actuators.


I may use actuators on the rear because of the weight, I'm probably not going to mess with the flipper to much

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #49, 02-23-2009 01:43 AM
      I wanted to see what the taillights were going to look like, so here's a quick job:

Not too shabby for a noob at photoshop.
BTW, Archie and crew, great job on this.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #50, 02-23-2009 12:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


I may use actuators on the rear because of the weight, I'm probably not going to mess with the flipper to much


My rear Dakata Digital (D.D) actuator comes in handy since it's hooked-up using the key fob. Press the button when it's raining to open, dump your stuff inside the trunk, hop back into the car, and press the button to close- beautiful.

I also have the key fob hooked-up to the front actuators, but I must admit- the rears is far more important than the fronts. Either way, it's cool if your parked at a gas station and you want to show-off. In your case, showing off the chrome-custom intake system is tight! I like new ideas.

(side note); if you decide to purchase D.D's system- place your order ahead of time prior to picking-up your car from Archie's. Apparently, D.D's actuator switches are on back order and it would be best to have Archie and the Crew hook-up the system.


rcp builders MSG #51, 02-23-2009 11:03 PM
      Archie, i'm envious (sp) I was wanting to do a ram air intake like that, but with out the hatchback i have not the
room. Is that one you fabricated yourself or is it by Air Inlet systems? Great work over there you and your crew are insperational.
The fiberglassing really peeks my interest, thanx for sharing Ray


wftb (danjesso@bmts.com) MSG #52, 02-24-2009 06:04 PM
      is that a Grant wheel that is available for everyone to buy?or is it a custom one off item? really like the car and this build .i would really like one of those steering wheels .

Jake_Dragon MSG #53, 02-25-2009 07:27 PM
      Nice, hmm where have I seen a car that looks like that



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #54, 02-26-2009 01:10 AM
      Time to get caught up again.

I'm going to go thru this is a hurry, it's actually happened over the last few days.

Fiberglass in mold



No need to photoshop tail lights now.











Empty mold



First part, Note: it's just the outside skin, we have a lot to work on yet.



First part trimmed



Positioned on car w/tail lights





With window w/o tail lights (<~~we had already put them away in a safe place)



New Steering wheel...



done

Archie

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86fierofun MSG #55, 02-26-2009 01:25 AM
      That looks pretty good!

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #56, 02-26-2009 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wftb:

is that a Grant wheel that is available for everyone to buy?or is it a custom one off item? really like the car and this build .i would really like one of those steering wheels .


summit racing has them, you have to get an adapter and buy the pontiac horn button seperate


Gokart Mozart MSG #57, 02-26-2009 11:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Archie



What's the black car?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #58, 02-26-2009 11:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


What's the black car?


That's a GT40 I started to build for myself about 3 years ago.

Customer cars take priority, so my cars wait 'til there is time to do them.

In 2008 we managed to get about 6 hours worth of work done on it.

Archie


Gokart Mozart MSG #59, 02-26-2009 11:36 AM
      bummer
I remember it

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #60, 02-26-2009 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




Can't wait to show up at the local cruise night in that, the Hotrod guys in my town have never seen a Fiero of this caliber.

Archie, I sent some ideas for vents via email.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #61, 03-01-2009 10:39 AM
     
Is it me or do those exhaust tips look exceptionally long ?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #62, 03-01-2009 10:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Is it me or do those exhaust tips look exceptionally long ?


It's you. J/K That must be a personal taste thing, I didn't know how they were going to look with the mad-arch rear bumper. I may cut an inch or two off in the future.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #63, 03-04-2009 02:09 PM
     

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #64, 03-10-2009 01:26 AM
      While we wait on current updates, I have a few tidbits/pointers for some issues I ran into during the V8/6-speed swap and installing Held's rear Wilwood brakes and bumpsteer correction kit.

First off, and this was just a personal preference thing, I didn't want to cut a hole in the fender for the waterpump, so I mounted a remote pump in the passenger side area in front of the rear wheel and used some remote w/p block adapters and 12 AN lines from Jegs. This also helps when removing the engine. You only have to drain the coolant and unscrew the AN fittings instead of removing the w/p.



Another thing, if you are going to use the 6-speed and HTMotorsports rear bumpsteer kit together you will have to relocate the inboard toe link mounting tab to the bottom of the control arm, because it interferes with the trams.

It won't sit any lower than the sway bar end link so you won't lose amy ground clearance.

Lastly, and this to me was a major issue, If you are planning on using Held's Wilwood brakes/ or if you already have them, consider this. The rear brake kit comes with a 3/8" adapter plate that bolts between the spindle and hub assembly.
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It also comes with a 3/8" aluminum spacer ring that goes on the end of the outboard CV to keep the CV from pulling up into the back of the spindle and locking down while using the 3/8" adapter plate for the calipers. However, this reduces the CV axle spline engagement in relation to the inside splines of the hub assemblies by 3/8". And with a little torque and traction you wind up with this:

Those were brand new hubs! This happened to me in my driveway on my first hard launch. The pass. side one broke on the car, but what is scary is the driver side only cracked and upon removal for inspection, I accidently dropped it and it split also. Just imagine if you were going down the road and this happened. There goes your wheel. Now how many people are riding around with Held's brake kit?
If you are using, or going to use this kit, first thing you need to do is throw away that 3/8" spacer ring for the CV axle and find a good machine shop. You can have 3/8" of material removed from the face of your spindle which takes care of this dangerous problem. It only cost me $80 to have this done. I have sinced launched the car pretty hard a few times and have no fear of splitting the hub assemblies, because the CV splines are fully engaging the hubs now.

Just thought I would share.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #65, 03-10-2009 07:27 PM
      I don't have this brake upgrade but I think thats something you should make Held aware of if you haven't already. I've seen a few guys on the forum with this set up, and usually if they invest this much in their brakes, they have something equally as serious propelling their car. Held should make customers aware of this issue or notify existing customers by email.

Is this a problem only with the 6speed and the length of those axles? or with stock axle length?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 03-10-2009 08:47 PM
      The 6 speed uses stock length axles and standard Fiero outer ends. I notified Held when I first encountered this problem, Lee (owner at that time) worked with me on making a custom bracket to move the e-brake spot caliper rearward to clear the shock after the spindle modification, but as far as I know nothing has been done to solve the problem on the standard kits, nor would he even recognize it as a problem. I presented the above solution. Maybe the new owner of Held will listen.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #67, 03-10-2009 10:17 PM
      I see. I don't think it would hurt for them to just put a warning or something up on the website as a modification for this kit to fit and function properly. If you're spending that much money and modifying your car that extensively anyways, whats the big deal about taking your spindles in and getting them machined...

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #68, 03-10-2009 10:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

The 6 speed uses stock length axles and standard Fiero outer ends.


Slight correction. They're custom made & custom length axles. With a G6 inboard spline & a Fiero outboard spline.

thanks

Archie


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #69, 03-10-2009 10:53 PM
      Thanks Archie, what I was trying to say is that the 6-speed axle overall width from the end of the driver side (where the axle nut screws on) to the other end on the passenger side does not change. In other words the 6-speed kit retains the stock Fiero track width and bolts up to the hub assemblies the same way a stock axle would.
Now, where's some decklid pics?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #70, 03-16-2009 08:49 PM
      For the last several weeks we've been working on building the "buck" for the inside skin of the rear hatch.

As you will see the shapes & contours on the inside of the hatch are a lot more work & are more complicated than the outside was.

All this & the fact that we have to make provisions to have steel in between the outside & inside pcs. of fiberglass. The steel will reinforce the fiberglass on both sides of the rear window & across the top of the window. This will all be tied into the hinge mounting areas.

Here's some pictures as we went along...

To be sure that the inside shape matches up to the outside, we sat the outside pc. of fiberglass back into the mold while we mocked up the inside buck.



Sanding & filling & shaping begins





To make the buck, the surfaces have to be sanded & filled & sanded to a finish that is as good or better than preping for a paint job......











We hope that by the end of the day tomorrow we'll have the buck ready to spray on the duratec finish.

Archie

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Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #71, 03-17-2009 09:49 AM
      Beautiful and Precise first class fiberglas work. The hatchback looks particularly nice but would like to know more about how the engine venting will work. I have the same concern on the convertible that I'm building and have just decided to install two large air vents ( old Chrysler turbo parts) on the decklid and place water catch pans with drains below.
Perhaps the answer to the question on how much venting is required and how much engine compartment temps will vary according to the venting can be answered but no one that I've spoken with seems to have a definitive answer. SInce your crew works on Fieros full time maybe you have a better handle on it.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #72, 03-17-2009 10:42 AM
      It is our opinion that there has to be some kind of vents in the hatch to let out the heat.

When you look at the outside skin area of this hatch, you'll notice a triangular "Flat" area on either side of the new rear hatch window. (Note: that area is actually not completely flat, it has some contour to it. I'm just calling it flat for this answer)

You'll also notice that this flat area is not covered on the inside by the inside skin.

I've rec'd. a lot of opinions on what types of vents to put in it. Some people want louvers, some want vents like we did on Curley's car & others' was various kinds of scoops.

We feel that you can't please them all if we just put in one kind of vent. So we decided to fabricate a few different kinds of vents & have them available as "inserts" based on what customers might want.

We also are going to have the hatch available with just the "flat" area for those that want to build their own unique vents into it.

Archie



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #73, 03-17-2009 01:15 PM
      Archie did you save the patterns from Curly's car to do the hatch for the chop tops?
Clayton's car is looking great!
when you are done with it I might ride up with him to come get it. we only live about 10 miles apart.
I would love to see you, your crew and shop.
D.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #74, 03-20-2009 11:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

Archie did you save the patterns from Curly's car to do the hatch for the chop tops?
Clayton's car is looking great!
when you are done with it I might ride up with him to come get it. we only live about 10 miles apart.
I would love to see you, your crew and shop.
D.


There wasn't any patterns from Curley's car.

the 350Z rear window is the only common thing between the 2 designs.

If you look at earlier pictures of his car in this thread & look at the detailed pics in his build thread, you'll see that Curley's window was mounted about 2" farther forward. There was no hatch bodywork between the top of his window & the trailing edge of the Fiero roof. Due to the curve of the 350Z rear window, we had to arc the trailing edge of the roofline to match it. His car also had the "C" pillars move inboard a couple of inches.

As I stated earlier, my goal on this hatch is to make it so that no modifications to the Fiero GT rear clip have to be done to install it.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #75, 03-20-2009 11:34 AM
      Regarding the question I answered a few days ago about the vent area on either side of the 350Z rear window.

In these pics we have the outside skin of the hatch laying in the mold (to keep it true to shape) then we have the inside skin "buck" laying on top of it. You can see the open (exposed) area on each side of the window opening...





Today we are working on pulling molds off of the inside "buck" for the hatch.

Making the inside "buck" was more work than making the outside one. As you can see there were a lot of surfaces to shape. Then there was a lot of wet sanding polishing & waxing to make it ready to pull molds off of.



Then we sprayed the tooling jelcoat onto the buck.







Today, we are laying up several layers of fiberglass to make the mold.

Archie



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #76, 03-20-2009 12:07 PM
      looking good Archie.
are you goint to make one for the choptop?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #77, 03-21-2009 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

looking good Archie.
are you goint to make one for the choptop?


There's not enough potential market in making another full set of molds for chop tops.

It will be a lot easier to modify these parts slightly for chop top use.

I know that you understand it, but a lot of people don't realize how much time & labor goes into making a perfect set of molds.

The sad thing is that you don't know if you have a perfect set of molds until you're all done with them.

Then when you're all done with the molds & designing all the parts including hinges to make it all work, someone will complain that the price is too high by saying "It's just fiberglass & that's too much for a couple pcs. of fiberglass."

Anyway, we should have the mold off of the buck by the end of the day Monday.





Archie

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FI3RO NUTZ (s502692@nwmissouri.edu) MSG #78, 03-22-2009 08:31 PM
      Looks Great!!! cant wait to see more....also would be great to see a custom louvers for a notchback from your shop.



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #79, 03-23-2009 06:00 PM
      Archie and crew, this is looking good. I like how the bottom is turning out. Maybe we should put some trick hinged bars in there to hold it up when it's open like the Ferrari F50s use.
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BTW I went ahead and ordered that aluminum radiator we were talking about. (They were going up on the price and I didn't want to miss out) Should be there in a few days.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #80, 03-24-2009 01:50 PM
      This is the mold for the inside skin for the hatch......





After some sanding buffing & waxing, we'll be ready to take some parts out of that mold this week.

Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #81, 03-24-2009 06:12 PM
      nice job! the waiting for things to dry is the worst.
I think that is why I like metal LOL
can't wait to see it together


slinger MSG #82, 03-25-2009 07:01 PM
      :Sigh: i want a wide body so bad

kwagner MSG #83, 03-25-2009 10:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The last couple of days have been all about making the mold off of the “Buck”.

Then some material to stiffen up the mold & a couple of more layers of fiberglass

After it sits for a couple of days, we take the mold off of the buck.....

This is the "Buck". The "Buck" is pretty much dumpster material now.

In a few days, after we get a part out of the mold, it'll be in the dumpster.



Asking as someone fairly ignorant on the fabrication process, is this the normal method for fiberglassing, or is this method used because you're planning on making more than one part from the mold (which I know is true in the case of the above piece)? In other words, if this was a one-off, would you do all the work to the 'buck' and just use that, or would you still make a mold? I could see if the original 'buck' was a bit of a hodgepodge of materials wanting to have an all-fiberglass piece, but at the same time if you were going to add extra bits to the piece that came out of the mold it seems like extra work for the same result (again, for a one-off).


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #84, 03-27-2009 11:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kwagner:


Asking as someone fairly ignorant on the fabrication process, is this the normal method for fiberglassing, or is this method used because you're planning on making more than one part from the mold (which I know is true in the case of the above piece)? In other words, if this was a one-off, would you do all the work to the 'buck' and just use that, or would you still make a mold? I could see if the original 'buck' was a bit of a hodgepodge of materials wanting to have an all-fiberglass piece, but at the same time if you were going to add extra bits to the piece that came out of the mold it seems like extra work for the same result (again, for a one-off).


This hatch build is for the purpose of making molds. The "bucks" you see in this thread are in no way able to me used on a car once they have served the purpose of making good quality molds.

If you're doing a "one off" build, I have posted a thread about building a Miura. I just made a post to that thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...3/HTML/000003-8.html In that post we are talking about making one off custom dash parts directly from fiberglass with no intent on making molds.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #85, 03-27-2009 11:24 PM
      We just pulled the 1st part out of the mold for the inside skin of the hatch.

As you can see this is a complicated part & it turned out just as good as the outside skin did.



In these pics we have the outside skin laying back in it's mold & the new inside skin laying on top of it like it will lay when we bond the 2 parts together.







Next week we've got to design hinges to make this all work.

Archie



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #86, 03-28-2009 12:42 AM
      The part is coming along nicely.

kwagner MSG #87, 03-28-2009 08:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


This hatch build is for the purpose of making molds. The "bucks" you see in this thread are in no way able to me used on a car once they have served the purpose of making good quality molds.

If you're doing a "one off" build, I have posted a thread about building a Miura. I just made a post to that thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...3/HTML/000003-8.html In that post we are talking about making one off custom dash parts directly from fiberglass with no intent on making molds.

Archie


Thanks Archie, I'll check it out.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #88, 03-30-2009 01:03 PM
      looking great Archie.
your crew makes it look easy. I can't wait to see the finished product.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #89, 03-30-2009 07:59 PM
      We should have the 1st set of hinges fabricated up tomorrow.





Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #90, 03-30-2009 08:14 PM
      The door on the radio clears as long as the shifter is in 2nd, 4th or 6th gear.



Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #91, 03-30-2009 08:31 PM
      Cool. Great work.




ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #92, 03-31-2009 12:53 AM
      Sweet!

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #93, 03-31-2009 09:09 AM
      Getting closer Clay.
so when does Archie think it will be done?
I could go for another road trip

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #94, 03-31-2009 09:56 PM
      It's hinged & latched.

Note: rear window is taped in right now & temp. 2x4 prop rod.



















Clay, call me tomorrow about your vents.

Archie


Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #95, 03-31-2009 10:10 PM
      Archie that is a fantastic piece that you have made there.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #96, 03-31-2009 10:57 PM
     
Sweeeeeeeeet !

Clay you are a lucky guy !


Blownbird355 (blownbird355@zoominternet.net) MSG #97, 04-01-2009 07:47 AM
      What kinda rating on that 6 speed torque? Also Are you guys going to use a set of rubber bellows to connect CAI to the filter?

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #98, 04-02-2009 04:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Clay, call me tomorrow about your vents.

Just got your e-mail, I'll call you Thursday (Today)
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Sweeeeeeeeet !
Clay you are a lucky guy !

Thanks, same to you.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #99, 04-02-2009 09:32 AM
      looking good
so when is the road trip? have truck will travel!

I can't wait to finaly see Archies shop, I need more money to spend while I am there though LOL


IFLYR22 (lunas0777@gmail.com) MSG #100, 04-02-2009 09:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:
Lastly, and this to me was a major issue, If you are planning on using Held's Wilwood brakes/ or if you already have them, consider this. The rear brake kit comes with a 3/8" adapter plate that bolts between the spindle and hub assembly.
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It also comes with a 3/8" aluminum spacer ring that goes on the end of the outboard CV to keep the CV from pulling up into the back of the spindle and locking down while using the 3/8" adapter plate for the calipers. However, this reduces the CV axle spline engagement in relation to the inside splines of the hub assemblies by 3/8". And with a little torque and traction you wind up with this:

Those were brand new hubs! This happened to me in my driveway on my first hard launch. The pass. side one broke on the car, but what is scary is the driver side only cracked and upon removal for inspection, I accidently dropped it and it split also. Just imagine if you were going down the road and this happened. There goes your wheel. Now how many people are riding around with Held's brake kit?
If you are using, or going to use this kit, first thing you need to do is throw away that 3/8" spacer ring for the CV axle and find a good machine shop. You can have 3/8" of material removed from the face of your spindle which takes care of this dangerous problem. It only cost me $80 to have this done. I have sinced launched the car pretty hard a few times and have no fear of splitting the hub assemblies, because the CV splines are fully engaging the hubs now.

Just thought I would share.


How old was the brake kit?
Mine don't mount that way... They must have changed their design. I installed them about 7+ years ago.
Have had zero problems with the hubs... wonder why they changed it?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #101, 04-04-2009 12:58 AM
      We've been working on putting together the rest of the MadArch widebody.

It was determined what types of vents Clay wanted & we have them cut out (don't tell me that they need screens put in them, I already know that).







Archie


Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #102, 04-04-2009 09:48 AM
      Love the look of the vents, good choice clay and archie

Tony Kania MSG #103, 04-04-2009 10:17 AM
      It is like watching Michelangelo paint!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #104, 04-04-2009 02:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We've been working on putting together the rest of the MadArch widebody.

It was determined what types of vents Clay wanted & we have them cut out (don't tell me that they need screens put in them, I already know that).


Archie


Hmm. I could be wrong, but IMO I wouldn've made a half moon cut on the outer corners of the lower vent (that way it flows with the conture of the window). As for the vent separators... sweet!

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Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #105, 04-05-2009 11:39 AM
      I'll agree with curly on that one, wish the outer edge followed the curve of the top better. But either way it looks hot

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #106, 04-07-2009 06:18 PM
      Thanks for all the opinions, guys. The vents are one of the hardest decisions to make (I would have actually prefered to leave them out all together). I played with many ideas in photoshop. This one was my favorite, so I sent the p-shopped pic to Archie. I think he nailed it. I'm sure the vent area is one that will be different for everyone.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #107, 04-09-2009 10:38 PM
      Bringing this up to date a little bit.

We've been working in a few different areas of the car.

We had to modify a bit in the area where the sideburns on the flipper nose meet up with the top of the sideburn area on the Mad-Arch WideBody Rocker panels.

The "T" bracket that was welded in to hold the bottom sideburn area of the cutoff section of the original Fiero front fender had to be redone to accept the wide rocker panels.

Here we've removed the fitting that was on there & are prepping the new parts.









Here we had to add a bit of material to the sideburn area of the flipper front end to give a wide flat area to side down on the "T" brace shown above.







We also added a little material on the trailing edge of the flipper to correct a bit of a miss match in the gap between the front clip & the front edge of the door panel.



Working on filling & sanding now



I'll show you the finished views of this tomorrow.........

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #108, 04-09-2009 10:47 PM
      We also are working on installing the spoiler on the trailing edge of the fenders & on the new hatch decklid.







After glassing,filling & sanding, it's looking pretty good.













Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #109, 04-10-2009 03:04 AM
      Nice re-working of the bracket;





The car is coming along fine. A few more tweaks here 'n there and she's all done.


Question(s); are there any plans to update the side markers (front and rear)?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #110, 04-10-2009 10:18 PM
      We installed the new Aluminium radiator today. Below are some pictures from that installation. Please see the assembly notes that go with the paictures that I posted in this thread.... http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/098899.html



















We also fixed a few mechanical things that Clay wanted us to fix for him.

We also have the body just about done.....





Next week we'll get some pictures of the car sitting on the floor.

Archie




ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #111, 04-11-2009 02:46 AM
      Archie and crew, just, Awesome!

 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Question(s); are there any plans to update the side markers (front and rear)?


No plans for custom markers, my styling budget is starting to run tight, and any extra cash flow will go towards performance upgrades (better heads, exhaust, fuel injection) after the body and interior are finished. I prefer Function over Form (but, just barely)


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #112, 04-11-2009 10:59 AM
      Looking great!
I love the way the whole thing is going together.



Tony Kania MSG #113, 04-11-2009 11:42 AM
      I love that rear spoiler. Have seen similar ones on other cars. Glad that you went that way with this one. I think that the factory should have made them this way.

infinitewill MSG #114, 04-11-2009 02:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

I love that rear spoiler....... I think that the factory should have made them this way.


I agree completely, best looking spoiler I have seen.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #115, 04-11-2009 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Archie and crew, just, Awesome!


No plans for custom markers, my styling budget is starting to run tight, and any extra cash flow will go towards performance upgrades (better heads, exhaust, fuel injection) after the body and interior are finished. I prefer Function over Form (but, just barely)


Understood. When do you plan on picking up the car and are you driving it back home with massive rollors or as-is?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #116, 04-11-2009 07:19 PM
      I'm glad you guys like the spoiler. It was actually my wife's idea (she's a musclecar fanatic and that was one of her contributions)

 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
When do you plan on picking up the car and are you driving it back home with massive rollors or as-is?


Since I'm still waiting on my wheels, it looks like it's going to be as-is for a while (really wish I would have went with Bonspeeds now) . I should be going to get it as soon as I can accumulate enough time-off from work.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #117, 04-12-2009 02:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Since I'm still waiting on my wheels, it looks like it's going to be as-is for a while (really wish I would have went with Bonspeeds now).


What's the hold-up? Was the price comparable to the BonSpeed rims?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #118, 04-12-2009 03:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
What's the hold-up? Was the price comparable to the BonSpeed rims?


Bonspeeds are a few hundred dollars more, but mine were custom CNC'd, as the old saying goes: Speed, Quality, Price. now pick two.


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #119, 04-12-2009 07:21 PM
      I like it. Non choptop wideboy.

Paul



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #120, 04-13-2009 02:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Next week we'll get some pictures of the car sitting on the floor.

Archie






Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #121, 04-15-2009 12:35 PM
     





madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #122, 04-15-2009 02:26 PM
     

Nice. The Camero bow-tie wing did the "trick." The wing extended the over-all look of the car. A definite alternative to your typical fastback and will no doubt draw a crowd.

Oh yeah, do you have a pic of the car (on the ground) with the glass?

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 04-15-2009).]

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #123, 04-15-2009 08:48 PM
      looking good
now we just need to get you set up with some fat rollers
Clayton I will PM you in the morning!

I wish I had a crew of people working on mine to get it done this fast.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #124, 04-15-2009 09:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

lI wish I had a crew of people working on mine to get it done this fast.


I wish I could get mine done that fast too.



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #125, 04-15-2009 10:37 PM
      I'll have to say, this car is coming together better than I could imagine.

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #126, 04-16-2009 07:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I wish I could get mine done that fast too.



LOL I know how you feel, Money first! while yours gathers dust


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #127, 04-16-2009 12:24 PM
      We took the car outside today to blow some of the sanding dust off of it.

We got a few pics of the car outside today.

We still have a few things to do to it but since the pick up date has been moved back a little bit, we have plenty of time & are back to work on a couple of other cars.











I also shot some video today when we pulled the car outside. You can hear when we opened up the electric exhaust cutouts & then later when we close them.

I'll try to post that video up tonight.

Archie



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #128, 04-16-2009 03:28 PM
     

The car is really looking good.

Clay i think i see where you were going with the exhaust tips,..at first they were a bit long for my tastes, but now i think they work.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #129, 04-16-2009 08:30 PM
     

Hmmm,....




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #130, 04-16-2009 11:06 PM
      http://www.youtube.com/watc...ture=player_embedded

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #131, 04-17-2009 02:34 AM
     

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #132, 04-17-2009 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...ture=player_embedded



that will wake the nieghbors!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #133, 04-17-2009 12:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
that will wake the nieghbors!


You'll only wake them when you want to.

When he was turning the car around, the car got quiet like he has killed the engine but he had only closed the cutouts.

Archie


Bozzie (widerisbetter88@aol.com) MSG #134, 04-21-2009 05:18 PM
      Archie, Any idea's on when you will be making more of these hatchs for sale and the price ?

Thanks
Rick



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #135, 04-21-2009 07:40 PM
     

Chop, chop !!

Hehehe just a little something for Clay to tempt the mind (Thanks Jscott1).



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #136, 04-22-2009 10:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Chop, chop !!

Hehehe just a little something for Clay to tempt the mind (Thanks Jscott1).




Tony, Clay likes the look of the chop's but he wants to do the flying mile with his car and he must wear a helmit to do it and he would have his head
hitting the roof and would not pass tech.



toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #137, 04-22-2009 11:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
Tony, Clay likes the look of the chop's but he wants to do the flying mile with his car and he must wear a helmit to do it and he would have his head
hitting the roof and would not pass tech.


Bubbletop, right over his head. After Archie and crew get it chopped, they can cut a hole, he straps in with helmet on, they pour some nice liquid foam on his head through the hole. The next day, when the foam is cured, they can dig him out of the foam, carve it to shape to form the required amount of clearance over his head. and make fiberglass and/or lexan (sunroof?) panels. It would be the first Bubbletop-Flipper-MadArch-GlassHatch-Chopper!

[This message has been edited by toddshotrods (edited 04-22-2009).]

Tony Kania MSG #138, 04-22-2009 11:24 AM
      Nice Toddshotrods! Build in a Gurney bubble. 60's technology in the oughts.

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #139, 04-22-2009 11:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:


Bubbletop, right over his head. After Archie and crew get it chopped, they can cut a hole, he straps in with helmet on, they pour some nice liquid foam on his head through the hole. The next day, when the foam is cured, they can dig him out of the foam, carve it to shape to form the required amount of clearance over his head. and make fiberglass and/or lexan (sunroof?) panels. It would be the first Bubbletop-Flipper-MadArch-GlassHatch-Chopper!



LMAO!!!!



toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #140, 04-22-2009 01:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:
...a Gurney bubble...


That's it! I couldn't remember the name.

Seriously though, if someone did it, they would create a little piece of Fiero history. It's also a great conversation piece. Imagine explaining to the crowd of admirers that the bubble was inspired by sixties-era Gurney, and was absolutely necessary for standing mile accleration runs. The chopped top, raked winshield, and Gurney bubble, allow maximum enjoyment; for the user and the spectator.

Sawzall time?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #141, 04-22-2009 03:56 PM
      I haven't checked on the forum for a few days and I come back and you guys already have it chopped with a glass bubble over my head. What's next? Bullet tail lights and fins?

Archie, you getting all this?

[This message has been edited by ClayTonto (edited 04-22-2009).]

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #142, 04-22-2009 08:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

I haven't checked on the forum for a few days and I come back and you guys already have it chopped with a glass bubble over my head. What's next? Bullet tail lights and fins?

Archie, you getting all this?




LMAO!
Clay, I am going to the swapmeet this weekend do you need anything?
Dean


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #143, 04-23-2009 01:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
Clay, I am going to the swapmeet this weekend

Aww man. That's THIS weekend? I hate being away from home

 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
do you need anything?
Dean

Yeah, Pick me up an 88 Formula 5-speed while your there (my Metro is just not cutting it anymore)
...Actually......PM Sent


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #144, 04-23-2009 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Yeah, Pick me up an 88 Formula 5-speed while your there (my Metro is just not cutting it anymore)
...Actually......PM Sent



I can't do the car but if you see this before your PM call me or PM me asap!
D.


Nebiros88 MSG #145, 04-26-2009 02:29 PM
      Out of curiosity, how do you like the Held Slalom front suspension?? Is it worth the money? Any problems with installation or fitment?

As for the 13" Held brake kit in the rear, do you have any pictures of the spindle modifications you had done by the machine shop?
Is the 13" brake kit worth the money after the modifications to the rear? Any modifications to the front needed?

Great build, keep it up.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #146, 04-26-2009 06:29 PM
      Clay, I got the part you wanted from the swapmeet.
call me when you get back in town.
D.

[This message has been edited by whodeanie (edited 04-27-2009).]

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #147, 04-26-2009 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Nebiros88:
Out of curiosity, how do you like the Held Slalom front suspension?? Is it worth the money? Any problems with installation or fitment?

As for the 13" Held brake kit in the rear, do you have any pictures of the spindle modifications you had done by the machine shop?
Is the 13" brake kit worth the money after the modifications to the rear? Any modifications to the front needed?


I like the Held Slalom kit and I would buy it again. Installation was tricky but not too bad. The mod needing to be done to the rear spindles is pretty straight forward. 3/8" needs to be milled off of the surface of the spindle that bolts to the hub assembly to make up for the caliper adapter plate. I talked to the new owner of Held about offering this mod on a core program and he said he will be doing that in the future. I love the brakes, they are probably more than you need, but they look awesome and stop the car well. The Wilwood brakes have to be used if your going with the Slalom kit, unless you design your own.

 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
Clay, I got the part you wanted from the swapmeet.
claa me when you get back in town.
D.


Thanks


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #148, 05-06-2009 07:52 PM
      My view:


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #149, 05-07-2009 10:48 AM
     


Niceeeeeeeee !


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #150, 05-07-2009 10:59 AM
      What he said!

bobble (dadmorris@gmx.com) MSG #151, 05-07-2009 05:08 PM
      your car is looking sick keep up the good work.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #152, 05-07-2009 06:36 PM
      I agree! This is coming together really nicely! What are you going to finish the dash in?



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #153, 05-07-2009 09:53 PM
      Thanks, guys.

 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:
What are you going to finish the dash in?


Probably leather, but I'm up for suggestions.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #154, 05-07-2009 10:31 PM
     







R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #155, 05-08-2009 05:06 AM
      Man! That thing is really looking good!

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #156, 05-08-2009 02:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Thanks, guys.


Probably leather, but I'm up for suggestions.


If you look up ferrobi's F40 replica thread, I think Rob (Amida) upholstered his dash in "ultra seude" and it looks fantastic. Maybe something to consider.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #157, 05-09-2009 12:11 AM
     

Clay, any update on the wheels ?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #158, 05-09-2009 12:50 AM
      Ram-air Intake looks great, Archie and crew.

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Clay, any update on the wheels ?


Still waiting on my wheels (or my money back so I can buy some from another company.)


ferrobi MSG #159, 05-09-2009 02:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


If you look up ferrobi's F40 replica thread, I think Rob (Amida) upholstered his dash in "ultra seude" and it looks fantastic. Maybe something to consider.



Thank's -

[This message has been edited by ferrobi (edited 05-09-2009).]

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #160, 05-09-2009 10:50 PM
     
 
quote
[B]Originally posted by Archie:[/B




Clay, we are going to have to fix that air cleaner, that thing looks like you have a big trash can in the back
I have an idea for it
D.




ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #161, 05-11-2009 01:42 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by whodeanie:
I have an idea for it
D.


Cool idea, I will definetely consider it. I am kinda partial to the oldschool look.




whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #162, 05-11-2009 04:21 PM
      Clay, PM sent your way!
D.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #163, 05-13-2009 12:10 PM
      Bringing this thread up to date....

I don't think I ever described the hinges we made for the hatchback lid.

As I've stated before I wanted this hatchback kit done so that no mods needed to be done to the rear clip to install the hatch. So we modified the old Fiero decklid hinges to fit under the plastic upper rear roof section of the rear clip.

We then inserted a threaded plate between the 2 layers of the Fiero spaceframe behind the sunroof opening.















The hatch is setup to use the original Fiero decklid bumpers, Key Lock & latch....









........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #164, 05-13-2009 12:52 PM
      On the underside of the hatch where the screens are, we made a flat fiberglass trim pc. to give it the same finished look as the rest of the underside of the hatch. It's glued on at the same time as the screens are installed with 3M Window Weld.





With most of the mods we do here, we don't do final paint here & most paint guys want to do their own prep for paint. Considering that it may be a few months before this car is painted, it was decided that We'd put a coat of primer on it to get it presentable. The guy who will be painting it was consulted as to the primer we would use so that it's compatable with the stuff he will be using when he preps & finishes the car.

So we set about scuffing up the body, Masking it off & putting 2 coats of primer on it.....













Now we're putting it all back together for the last time.





Since Clayton has been having trouble getting the wheels he had on order & since the car will be shown at the Dells this month, clayton decided to get some wheel adapters to move the wheels out 2.75" until he gets the new wheels.





More pics later.

Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #165, 05-13-2009 04:49 PM
      Now that looks better
good idea on the spacers to bump the wheels out.
and all one color even, Nice!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #166, 05-13-2009 05:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

Now that looks better
good idea on the spacers to bump the wheels out.
Nice!


That was Clayton's call.

I know that you know this but a clarification is needed so that people don't start sending hate mail.

They're actually wheel adapters. From 5 on 100 to 5 on 100. They bolt to the hub then the wheel bolts to the adapter.

A true spacer would mean that somehow there's long studs running thru the adapter & the wheel.

Archie


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #167, 05-13-2009 05:29 PM
      Paint=SWEET!!!

I was impressed with the guy who did the adapters for me. I custom ordered them last Thursday in the evening. Archie got them Monday! Wheel Adapters. I highly recommend them, they can build just about anything you want in just a few hours ready to ship. I would have rather have had my wheels, but we made the best of the situation.

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
More pics later.

Archie

[This message has been edited by ClayTonto (edited 05-13-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #168, 05-13-2009 08:03 PM
      Sorry, I'll have more pics tomorrow morning.

We put the 350Z rear window into the hatch today & it needs to sit for a few hours before we can take the weights off of it.

If it doesn't rain, we'll get it outside for some pics tomorrow as early as I can.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #169, 05-14-2009 01:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Since Clayton has been having trouble getting the wheels he had on order & since the car will be shown at the Dells this month, clayton decided to get some wheel adapters to move the wheels out 2.75" until he gets the new wheels.



More pics later.

Archie


Nice. Keep the pics coming.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #170, 05-14-2009 11:21 AM
      The plan is that this car will be at the Dells show in 2 weeks.













.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #171, 05-14-2009 11:44 AM
     

















Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #172, 05-14-2009 12:00 PM
      Now that looks great!

Tony Kania MSG #173, 05-14-2009 12:09 PM
      That looks awesome in flat black! Very nice looking car.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #174, 05-14-2009 01:27 PM
      Wahoo!!!


ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #175, 05-14-2009 05:43 PM
      WOW,,i am sorry if this question has allready been asked.(skimming real fast)

Is this hatch going to be made as a kit and what is the cost?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #176, 05-14-2009 10:15 PM
      A few more pics with the Sun at the other end of the parking lot.











Archie



Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #177, 05-14-2009 10:30 PM
      BAD ARS!!!!! Good job by Archie and crew



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #178, 05-14-2009 10:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ducattiman:

WOW,,i am sorry if this question has allready been asked.(skimming real fast)

Is this hatch going to be made as a kit and what is the cost?


Yes, the hatch is available as a kit.

The price is $675.00 & includes the upper hinge bracket. (you'll have top modify the Fiero decklid hinge to work with it)

It is steel reinforced in several places. The kit doesn't include the 350Z rear window because you can get them locally cheaper than we can ship you one.

Note that the hatch doesn't include the rear spoiler that we installed on this car. You can see pics of the hatch without the spoiler on this same car back on page #3.





Archie


Bridgetown MSG #179, 05-15-2009 12:22 AM
      Archie how can I order one of these hatch kits? Can I add the vents like Clay's?

[This message has been edited by Bridgetown (edited 05-15-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #180, 05-17-2009 11:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:

Archie how can I order one of these hatch kits? Can I add the vents like Clay's?



You can just give me a call at the shop 815-282-9226 & we'll get it done.

Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #181, 05-19-2009 05:19 PM
      Clay, the trailer is ready to go.
I finished the new plug and everything works, even the brakes!
all it needs now is a car to go on it.
call or PM me when you get a chance.
D.


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #182, 05-19-2009 07:13 PM
      ^^^ Thanks,
and feel free to use it anytime in the future.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #183, 05-28-2009 08:48 PM
      Heading to the Dells now.







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnM1zuz4bw


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #184, 05-28-2009 09:37 PM
      I think it looks great in semi gloss black... with some nice wheels it would set it off...



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #185, 05-29-2009 01:57 AM
      A proud owner.




DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #186, 05-29-2009 09:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Heading to the Dells now.





I had a great day at Archie's yesterday, it's always fun meeting new Fiero Friends. Clayton your car looks great and it looks like it runs pretty good too Hope both you and Dean have a great time at the Dells and a safe trip home.


carnut122 MSG #187, 05-29-2009 07:13 PM
      I see that Dean is slacking off; no Sunday night update this week! Glad to see you guys made it. Clay(I guess we're neighbors), the car looks great! Have a fun trip!

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #188, 05-31-2009 09:32 AM
      That is a craker! Can't say I like the huge chrome air cleaner but other than that it is amazing!

Mr Ferrari (mratcliff@frontiernet.net) MSG #189, 05-31-2009 08:34 PM
     
The car looks great in person Clay.. Fantastic job on the body fabricating as usual Archie..

I cant wait to see it 100% done and with a few speed records next year Clay

Hopefully Deans car will be there with him next time as well.. It was cool meeting you guys in person..

--Mark



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #190, 05-31-2009 11:16 PM
      Dells 2009;







whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #191, 06-01-2009 03:05 PM
      Clay, here are the pic's from Archies that I got.
I just wish Archie would have caught the burnout I did comming back from the test drive with open headers
D.

























pegasus1848 (fierofossil@msn.com) MSG #192, 06-02-2009 09:45 PM
      I am glad you both made it home OK.
I like that picture of your car next to my old car, with Jessie's doors in the background.
Jess could not stop talking about that drive, you blew him away.
I got a picture of him sitting in your car after the drive, and I swear, his smile goes from ear to ear.
Your car is simply the coolest.
Steve



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #193, 06-04-2009 10:42 PM
      Thanks to everyone for all the support. Dean and I had an awesome time at the Dells show and I have just got settled back in to my normal routine. (I barely had time to go, but I couldn't miss it)
Thanks, Archie, Chris, and Rob for all of your hard work. (And Troy for making my trophy look small)

I made alot of new friends last week.
Tina and Greg:

And Jess (88lambofiero) Ha, I remembered it.

Thanks for breaking in my tires

I was also happy to get to meet others including Chuck, Steve (pegasus1848), Rodney Dickman, Don Kraus, The Prezzz and many many more. You guys really know how to throw a party!
I will definetely be back next year with my wife.

[This message has been edited by ClayTonto (edited 06-04-2009).]

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #194, 06-04-2009 11:04 PM
      I have been holding onto these rare finds for a couple months now. (Got the last two from a Texas distributor) After getting the car home I couldn't wait to get them in.










exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #195, 06-05-2009 11:40 AM
     

Clay do you have any more body modifications planned or is it ready for paint ?

What color do you plan to paint it ?


Alex4mula (torres_a@hotmail.com) MSG #196, 06-05-2009 07:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

...


......


That rear end looks very nice. Are those wheel spacer I see back there? Sorry if mentioned before. I didn't read the whole thing.


blkpearl (bodylinesfitness@cox.net) MSG #197, 06-06-2009 11:48 PM
      Nice job on the completion. I have a question about the digital dash. Where did it come from? That's exactly what I want to do with my Fiero and the digital dash, it looks great.

Enjoy!!


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #198, 06-07-2009 01:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Clay do you have any more body modifications planned or is it ready for paint ?
What color do you plan to paint it ?

A couple of minor tweaks involving some more carbon fiber and the mirrors. I'm still trying to decide on paint. I was dead set on black, but after driving it a few days in hot sunny weather. I may go with a lighter color.
 
quote
Originally posted by Alex4mula:
Are those wheel spacer I see back there? Sorry if mentioned before. I didn't read the whole thing.

No wheel spacers, I had temporary billet hub adapters made.
 
quote
Originally posted by blkpearl:
Nice job on the completion. I have a question about the digital dash. Where did it come from? That's exactly what I want to do with my Fiero and the digital dash, it looks great.

Cyberdyne gauges in a custom built housing.



Mr Ferrari (mratcliff@frontiernet.net) MSG #199, 06-07-2009 03:45 PM
     
You can also get them from Pisa.. Look at bottom of page here > http://pisafierohq.com/interiors/gauges/

My old 308 replica had the Pisa guages and they fit the stock Fiero dash nicely....



normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #200, 06-13-2009 09:57 PM
      Hello everybody did a great job. Youre car is a super car. Thanks Norm



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #201, 06-13-2009 10:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr Ferrari:
You can also get them from Pisa..

My main cluster (Tach, speedo, water temp, and fuel) was built by a guy who Marty at PISA referred me to. It is not their generic gauge set-up because of the inclusion of the Cyberdyne gauges, but it is very similar.
 
quote
Originally posted by normsf:
Hello everybody did a great job. Youre car is a super car. Thanks Norm

Thanks, Norm, for the sleek front end and the impressive two-day installation.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #202, 06-27-2009 03:29 PM
      Anything new to report?

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #203, 07-05-2009 07:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Anything new to report?

Nothing exciting. I have been out of town for a while and my Toshiba died. Dean (whodeanie) and I are planning on doing a few intake mods and other misc. tweaks in the next week or so. Then it's off to the dyno for post-op tuning. I did get a shiny new aluminum oil pan.



Jake_Dragon MSG #204, 07-06-2009 07:16 AM
      Interesting pan. Think you will have any clearece issues? I always worry about a pan that wont dent aluminum will crack and leak all of the oil out if struck hard enough.
They do look good.


IwannaIRM (swags33@cableone.net) MSG #205, 07-06-2009 01:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

I have been holding onto these rare finds for a couple months now. (Got the last two from a Texas distributor) After getting the car home I couldn't wait to get them in.



Can you email or pm me the distributor? I need to change my glass out as well and can't seem to find a good shop or distributor (not that I have looked too hard ).


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #206, 07-06-2009 11:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Interesting pan. Think you will have any clearece issues? I always worry about a pan that wont dent aluminum will crack and leak all of the oil out if struck hard enough.
They do look good.

Shouldn't be a problem. My oil pan now sits about 2-3 inches higher than the front cross brace on the cradle.

I believe the new pan is lightyears better than the black painted steel unit. Also in the works is a direct replacement sumped aluminum fuel tank (cell) that better utilizes the space available for a higher capacity.
 
quote
Originally posted by IwannaIRM:
Can you email or pm me the distributor? I need to change my glass out as well and can't seem to find a good shop or distributor (not that I have looked too hard ).

PM Sent


edhering (edhering@sbcglobal.net) MSG #207, 07-12-2009 04:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Yes, the hatch is available as a kit.

The price is $675.00 & includes the upper hinge bracket. (you'll have top modify the Fiero decklid hinge to work with it)

It is steel reinforced in several places. The kit doesn't include the 350Z rear window because you can get them locally cheaper than we can ship you one.

Note that the hatch doesn't include the rear spoiler that we installed on this car. You can see pics of the hatch without the spoiler on this same car back on page #3.

Archie


WOW: $675 sounds like a STEAL to me.

I was ready for the price of the thing to be much higher than that.

It's a shame I don't have a fastback.

Ed


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #208, 07-20-2009 08:54 AM
      Ok Clay was able to get the car over this weekend so I could do some finish work on it for him
I have a lot of little things to get done on it so for Clay I will post it all here.
D.

first off I got the markers swaped out.





then it was on to the shift light, Clay found a spot where it would fit. and I think it looks great



then it was on to the E dead.





while the E dead was drying I worked on the headlight inside covers to install them





I was able to get a few other little things done as well I got the slider track off the drivers side seat and cleaned it up and re painted it.
and the last thing I did last night was getting started on the drivers side carpet.


Clay, PM sent.

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doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #209, 07-21-2009 10:57 PM
      Are those side marker lights clear?

I'd like to have clear side marker lights for my car...



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #210, 07-22-2009 12:29 AM
     

Clay,

What kind of reactions are you getting from people when you take the car out ?


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #211, 07-22-2009 08:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Are those side marker lights clear?

I'd like to have clear side marker lights for my car...



they are clear and they came from Norms fiberglass


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #212, 07-22-2009 12:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Clay,

What kind of reactions are you getting from people when you take the car out ?


Dean and I went to a cruise in over the weekend. Most people (at least car people) know it's a Fiero, but there are a few who say "Nice car...what exactly is it?". We heard one guy say "Hey, this guy put a Chevy V8 in his Porsche" For some reason people like to touch it and flat black paint does not hide finger prints.
Dean brought his Harley and parked it next to my car. I think they compliment each other.
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BTW


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #213, 07-23-2009 08:55 AM
      Clay here is an update for you. I was able to work on the car last night for a little while.
I got the shift light done and wired in and it wroks great I was also able to get the passanger inside of the car removed to do the E dead, I got the first coat on and then ran out so I will have to order more to get it done. so with that I un packed the sway bars and mocked them up to make sure I have all the parts and I am missing a few small parts but I also have lots of extra stuff. I am not sure what I will need yet because of the HT setup on the car but no big deal.





the shift light comes on when you start the car so you can see it on. if you look at the shift light in both pic's you can see the lights in it are differant. when you first turn it on it has a rotating light pattern then the whole thing lights up . that thing is bright!







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ccfiero350 (chuckcamp@gmail.com) MSG #214, 07-23-2009 04:47 PM
      Did you make those head lamp back covers?



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #215, 07-24-2009 08:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ccfiero350:

Did you make those head lamp back covers?




No, they came from Norm I just installed them on the car for Clay.
D.

Clay, I have more E dead on the way
D.

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carnut122 MSG #216, 07-27-2009 06:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


Dean and I went to a cruise in over the weekend.


BTW


Cruise in? Where was that one? I thought Dean had a white Harley...oh, that was all of the Bondo dust.

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IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #217, 07-27-2009 10:51 PM
      will that back bumper fit a stock fiero??

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #218, 07-28-2009 10:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IVANNATINKLE:

will that back bumper fit a stock fiero??

No it will not fit I made that as a one off for my car.

Carnut, LOL bondo dust white Harley I cleaned it up to ride it

Ok on to progress report.......
I was able to work on Clays car monday. I got the HHP swaybars installed with the HT setup he has it required some Tweaking to make it all work.
the front end links needed to be cut to clear the knuckle because of the rear bearing setup. the rear was not bad to install, drill a few holes and mount.
I also had to install some grease fittings in the front and lube everything.
once that was done I removed the seat tracks cleaned them up and re painted them.
then on to the new intake, Clay wanted it port matched so that is where I am with it I got one side done last night and I will try to get the other side done tonight.
here are some pic's.
D.

this is the bar before cutting


and after














port matching in progress






madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #219, 07-28-2009 06:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

and after



Question; Do you think this will be case with all suspesnions using this sway bar set-up? I plan on using a the Corvette 13" rotor set-up and was just wondering.

Thank you.

Madcurl


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #220, 07-28-2009 09:08 PM
      Port job is looking good, Dean. (It badly needed it)
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Question; Do you think this will be case with all suspesnions using this sway bar set-up? I plan on using a the Corvette 13" rotor set-up and was just wondering.
Thank you.
Madcurl

This mod is because I am using HTMotorsports' Slalom kit with HHP bars. They bolt on with no mods to a stock set-up or at least stock spindles. I am the first to use this combination and could have Paul make me some more arms if I wanted to keep the three hole adjustability, but I don't think I'll need it since I have five points of adjustment in the back to balance it.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #221, 07-28-2009 10:07 PM
      Curly,
the only reason I had to make the mod was because the HT spindale on clays car have what Erik calls a coffie can on the back side (a big metal hoop around the spindal) and Clay is right his is the first one with this setup. acording to the sheet from HHP the setings I have the bars set to it will work just fine. with Clay's car having the coilovers on all 4 corners it was not bad without the swaybars so now it will be even better
other than the one mod it was per the instructions that Paul sent me from HHP.
I sent Paul (HHP) an email telling him what I had to do to fit them but I have not heard back from him yet.

Clay, as of today I have not gotten anything you are sending to me for the car but it is still early.
I should have the e-dead tomarrow so I can finish up the inside of the car.
D.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #222, 07-29-2009 12:19 PM
      today I got the Amp and speakers you ordered once I get the e-dead and finish that up I will get the rest of it installed
D.

here is the pic of the parts Clay sent me, just need the e dead I guess I will have to call them if I don't get it today
D.

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #223, 07-30-2009 02:59 PM
      The e-dead got here today
now I can get that done and wire up the stereo and reinstall the interior.
D.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #224, 07-31-2009 07:54 AM
      last night I was able to get the e dead painted in to finish the inside of the car. as well as the doors.
now I just need to let it dry so I can reinstall the interior in the car. then it is on to a few body fixes and a little bit of motor work.
D.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #225, 07-31-2009 08:44 PM
      tonight I worked on the car a bit more I went to the metal shop and found a few things that will work for the car.
first off the tilt front has a hood spring under it and it was just pushing on the fiberglass hood so it made a dimple so tonight I used a piece of Alu. and glassed on a plate for the spring to push on instead of the glass. also on the hood it has 2 pins one on eather side to keep it in place while closed and the hood just had a hole drilled on it for the pins to go into and with the normal movement of the car it was making the holes biger so I made steal sleves for them to fit into and mounted them in to the hood with pop rivets and fiberglass with a metal plate on the back of the lip of the hood.
I was also able to get the carpet in the car. before I can finish it up I will need to mount the Amp. and run some wires for the sound system.
I should be able to finish the inside and front up this weekend and move on to the motor. I will get some pic's this weekend and post them on monday.
D.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #226, 08-04-2009 09:42 AM
      time for an update
Here are some pics of what I am working on at the moment.
D.

I just got the new motor for the cutout that was broken


and a few pic's of the new hood pin holes I made








I also glassed in a piece of Alu. in the hood for the spring to push on so it would not dimple the fiberglass anymore


and A pic for Clay of his monster amp that I am installing
last night I was able to get the dash back together and the new carpet fitted. I have not installed it all the way because I need to wire up the sound system first.
once that is done I will have the inside done then the work I need to do on the engine will be next.
(the Amp. is not installed yet it is just setting there for mock up)



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #227, 08-04-2009 05:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
...and A pic for Clay of his monster amp that I am installing

After seeing this, I decided the fuzz needs to be covered.
BTW...Here is a monster:

Mr.Mikes stuff on it's way tomorrow.
Dean, should have it by Friday.

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Tony Kania MSG #228, 08-04-2009 06:03 PM
      As always, . The car is just awesome. I am noticing that a bit of audio got mixed into the equation. I don't know if you are doing any type of sub installation, but I would highly reccomend looking into Memphis Audio. I recently bought one of their 10" shallow mount subs. A bit pricey, but the sound is just fantastic. The sub itself is only 2 5/8" deep. And needs only .6cu' of airspace in an enclosed box. I put it behind the passenger seat, and only lost one click of back and forth movement on the seat. My amps are mounted on the driver side. Just a suggestion. But, by the way that you are progressing with your Fiero......you really don't need any suggestions.

Oh yeah, you are going to love those Infinity Kappa's. I have those also, and they are very clear. I am running them through an older model Rockford Fosgate. Just really easy to tune it to those speakers.

Tony


fieroguru MSG #229, 08-04-2009 08:16 PM
      Might I suggest removing the ECM... on a carbed manual tranny car, it does nothing but add weight and take up space that could be used for something else.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #230, 08-05-2009 01:03 AM
      Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Tony, I do have a finished subbox and I just noticed there aren't any pics on the thread of it. Maybe Dean could post some pics when he gets the interior back together.
The Kicker amp is their 5-channel and will be powering four of the Infinty 4x6's and one 8" Kicker SoloBaric L7. Controlled by a Jensen VM9512 w/ SatNav and a 7-band equalizer tuned for SQ.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #231, 08-07-2009 12:51 PM
      Ok as of late I have gotten a lot of work done on the car but most of it is not pic worthy.
the carpet is in and the front is done as well as the new intake on the motor. last night Clay called me and wanted me to E-dead the inside of the sub box and I just enough to get it done.
I did the inside and the back with 3 coats.
today I drove the car in to my shop so I can get it on the lift later today to change the oil pan and see what I can do with the exhaust cutout to get it up higher so it does not bottom out and tear it up again.
if I am not to dirty to hold the camera I will try to get some pic's today.
I also talked to Mr. Mikes last night and his seat covers are on the way I should have them monday.
still a lot of inside work to go.
D.

Clay, here are the pic's you wanted of the speeker turned the other way. IMO it sticks way to far out but that is me









Also on another note the car with the sway bars installed has no body roll or anymore squeeks
I did not test it enen though the teen in the Honda next to me wanted to, I just laughed at him
D.

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #232, 08-10-2009 09:02 AM
      here you go!





ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #233, 08-10-2009 11:08 AM
      dean,
what are the specs on the rear wheels, ie width and offset. are the spacers really 2.75 inches long?
thanks
al


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #234, 08-10-2009 12:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ace5514:

dean,
what are the specs on the rear wheels, ie width and offset. are the spacers really 2.75 inches long?
thanks
al


I am not sure on the wheels and spacers but I am sure Clay will chime in
D.


Also just got a box from Mr Mike

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ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #235, 08-10-2009 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
I am not sure on the wheels and spacers but I am sure Clay will chime in
D.

Also just got a box from Mr Mike


ace, There are no wheel "spacers" on the car. I am using billet hub adapters designed for drag cars. They do add 2.75" to the offset. And these are only to drive around on while waiting for my unicorn wheels. The current wheels are 17x7.5 35mm offset ( too small )

Dean,

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ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #236, 08-11-2009 01:25 AM
      thanks clay,
sorry about the spacer reference, i took the easy road in the description of them. i am just trying to figure out the offset and width of my wheels for when i finish my car. thanks for the info! keep up the good work on that ride!!
al


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #237, 08-12-2009 10:45 AM
      So last night I was able to get a factory squirter from Nissan for the back glass of the car and what I did was run the NOS perge line to it.
now when you perge the NOS 2 streams will come out over the back glass

I was also able to get started on the Mr Mikes covers for a few last night I should have both seats done today. I will get some pic's and post them.
D.







whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #238, 08-13-2009 08:05 AM
      another update on the car, last night I worked on the seats installing Mr Mikes covers as well as recovering the back wall cover.
D.







carnut122 MSG #239, 08-13-2009 06:36 PM
      Nice work. I like the shop too!

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #240, 08-16-2009 06:13 PM
      I was able to get the car done in time for the Canton car show, so I drove it to the show where Clay was able to take it home from there.
D.


carnut122 MSG #241, 08-17-2009 05:49 PM
      The car was still getting a lot of attention every time I went by it.

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #242, 08-17-2009 05:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

The car was still getting a lot of attention every time I went by it.



Tom, it was great to see you there


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #243, 08-17-2009 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

So last night I was able to get a factory squirter from Nissan for the back glass of the car and what I did was run the NOS perge line to it.
now when you perge the NOS 2 streams will come out over the back glass

D.







I love it

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rcp builders MSG #244, 08-17-2009 10:19 PM
      Was wondering if you have touched that NOS off yet. Was thinking of throwing a 50
or 75 hp shot on my 350 and was curious if traction was an issue. Very nice car, Ray


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #245, 08-18-2009 08:31 AM
      Here are the last few pic's I got while I was finishing Clay's car







carnut122 MSG #246, 08-20-2009 06:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
Tom, it was great to see you there


Dean, it was good seeing you too. Sorry I couldn't stick around. I was their trying to sell the Mustang GT convertible, so I didn't want to stray too much. The next time your buddy wants to bring all of his cars, tell him that I'll be happy to drive either of the Vettes, the Viper, the Lambo or even the chopper.

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #247, 08-21-2009 08:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:


Dean, it was good seeing you too. Sorry I couldn't stick around. I was their trying to sell the Mustang GT convertible, so I didn't want to stray too much. The next time your buddy wants to bring all of his cars, tell him that I'll be happy to drive either of the Vettes, the Viper, the Lambo or even the chopper.



yea! me too




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #248, 09-05-2009 03:19 PM
      Did you every get the rims?

 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


Only have a stock photo, mine will have gloss black powdercoated centers. It will probably be 3-4 weeks before I recieve the wheels, I do have my tires though, and can't wait to roast,ahem, break them in.




Mr Ferrari (mratcliff@frontiernet.net) MSG #249, 09-07-2009 10:33 PM
      Nice work Dean.. Well done..



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #250, 09-09-2009 03:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Did you ever get the rims?


The wheels were never made and the Compomotive still has my money. As soon as I get it back I will be getting Bonspeeds.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #251, 09-09-2009 04:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


The wheels were never made and the Compomotive still has my money. As soon as I get it back I will be getting Bonspeeds.


Just for giggles. Do you think Whodeannie will let you test fit his BonSpeed rims onto your car? I think we all would want previews.

Sorry to hear about the Compomotive rims. It seems everybody is trying to rip people off.


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #252, 09-09-2009 05:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Just for giggles. Do you think Whodeannie will let you test fit his BonSpeed rims onto your car? I think we all would want previews.

Sorry to hear about the Compomotive rims. It seems everybody is trying to rip people off.



LOL! we where just talking about that
Clay wants 18" on his but I might bolt mine on his car to see how they fit on a non 88 car.
if I do I will get pic's for you.
D.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #253, 09-09-2009 06:37 PM
     
Clay,

Which Bonspeeds you planning on getting ?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #254, 09-09-2009 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
LOL! we where just talking about that
Clay wants 18" on his but I might bolt mine on his car to see how they fit on a non 88 car.
if I do I will get pic's for you.
D.


Nudge...


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #255, 09-09-2009 06:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Clay,
Which Bonspeeds you planning on getting ?


Deltas


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #256, 09-09-2009 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:


Deltas



Are you going to stick to the same size as before or are you up sizing?


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #257, 09-09-2009 07:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Are you going to stick to the same size as before or are you up sizing?


I will at least be going with 18s this go round, maybe bigger


chris2low (chris2low_customs@sbcglobal.net) MSG #258, 09-10-2009 12:56 AM
      wow this car looks effin amazing thts all i gatta say its nice thinkin of just re creating my whoe car its possibel

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #259, 09-15-2009 11:23 PM
      Waiting on those BonSpeed pics.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #260, 09-27-2009 01:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Waiting on those BonSpeed pics.




ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #261, 10-25-2009 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Waiting on those BonSpeed pics.

O.K.
Here are some camera-phone previews:


BTW I went with Enkei instead of BonSpeed


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #262, 10-26-2009 09:49 AM
      Those look wide

Lets see some pictures of the rim! I love enkei's!


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #263, 10-27-2009 12:33 AM
      They sent me the wrong lugnuts and no center caps. Give me a few more days for better pics.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #264, 11-04-2009 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rcp builders:

Was wondering if you have touched that NOS off yet. Was thinking of throwing a 50
or 75 hp shot on my 350 and was curious if traction was an issue. Very nice car, Ray


Terribly sorry, I missed your post until now.
PM sent


eph_kay (cjcoulter@me.com) MSG #265, 11-10-2009 10:44 PM
      I have never cared enough to post a demand of pictures, but I have to say, you sold your old wheels and have "pictures" of your new wheels, but I want to see them.

Thanks in advance,

Chris


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #266, 11-11-2009 03:37 PM
      Well, I am out of town 'till this Sunday, but here are a couple of quick snapshots I took last time I was home for just a couple of hours. I have not even lowered the car and taken out of the garage yet. The pics don't really show what they look like on the car, so I'll get her out and snap some more this weekend.





These are Enkei RPF1 18x8 in the front 18x10.5 in the rear w/ BFGoodrich KDW 225/40-18 and 295/35-18 respectively.
They are incredibly light and strong. I weighed them before installation and, even with the tires, the rears weigh 51 lbs and the fronts 41 lbs. For perspective my smaller diameter 17x7.5 wheels and tires I had before weighed three pounds less (48 lbs) than my new rear 18x10.5. So I went up one inch in diameter and three inches in width and gained only three pounds. I lost seven pounds in the front for a Total weight savings of eight pounds...with bigger tires!!!

BTW, My old wheels went to a good home:



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #267, 11-11-2009 03:41 PM
      Those look great! I can't wait to see what it looks like a couple steps back with them on the ground



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #268, 11-12-2009 10:47 AM
      Clay,
the wheels look great!
I can't wait to see more of them.
D.


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #269, 11-16-2009 03:25 PM
      Pics as promised:










And the Ebony and Ivory shot (gotta keep the wife happy):




I really love these wheels and tires. Traction is phenomenal. This setup will lay waste to my old WS6 Firebird or Porsche 951.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #270, 11-16-2009 04:56 PM
     

Clay the wheels fit and look nice on the car.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #271, 11-16-2009 07:39 PM
      Looks great!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #272, 11-16-2009 08:39 PM
      Clay

The car looks great, and the wheels look really nice on the car.

Are you still using the adapters on the rear ?
If you are how big are they ?

Can you please tell me,
how big where the old wheels on the back ? the ones on the yellow 328.
and what size of adapters you were using ?

Thanks for your help


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #273, 11-17-2009 04:20 PM
      Thanks, guys.
The old wheels were 17x7.5" 35mm offsets. I used 2.75" 5x100 to 5x100 adapters.
The new rear wheels are 18x10.5" 15mm offsets with 1" 5x100 to 5x4.5 adapters.


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #274, 11-17-2009 04:49 PM
     
Thanks for the info

***"takes note and continues dreaming" ****


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #275, 12-12-2009 02:39 PM
     


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #276, 01-26-2010 06:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:



Old Man Winter has put a freeze on things.
I did get to drop off my door panels at the Upholstery shop. Just waiting on the material from Mr. Mike.


I'm debating on whether or not I should upholster the dash or leave it painted.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #277, 01-26-2010 06:32 PM
      Hey Claytono, how does the handling feel using the newer style rear sway bar? I haven't but mine on yet and was just wondering.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #278, 01-27-2010 04:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hey Claytono, how does the handling feel using the newer style rear sway bar? I haven't but mine on yet and was just wondering.


The handling is superb. No body roll at all with the HHP bars. I will be going to Road Atlanta this year to get it dialed in, because I can't break it loose on the street to find it's passive over/understeer limits without doing way over the legal speed limit or power inducing an oversteer.


IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #279, 02-01-2010 02:56 AM
      i must say i enjoy your car very much. hopefully some day mine will look somewhat similar only slightly longer

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #280, 03-11-2010 08:00 PM
      I got my door panels back from upholstery:



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #281, 03-12-2010 07:50 AM
      Those look great!
D.


skuzzbomer MSG #282, 03-12-2010 05:55 PM
      I can't stop but think about how great this car looks against the rocky backdrop. Clay... Next time I'm in Georgia, I want to see your car

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #283, 03-12-2010 06:33 PM
      Thanks, come by anytime. I'm hoping to get the door panels installed in a few days. They match my seats perfectly thanks to Mr Mike.

2m4dude (fiero2m4dude@aol.com) MSG #284, 03-13-2010 02:34 AM
      o man i think im in love she beutiful but dont tell my 2m4 she'll get mad (women)

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #285, 03-30-2010 11:40 PM
      Daytona!!!

Early to rise


Show day sunrise


At the track










My wife and my mistress:


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After the show

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #286, 03-31-2010 01:43 AM
      Nice pictures of your Fiero. What did you do about the rear deck lid. Did you buy struts?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #287, 03-31-2010 01:47 AM
     

Clay sorry about the drool i may have left on your car at the show.



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #288, 03-31-2010 02:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Nice pictures of your Fiero. What did you do about the rear deck lid. Did you buy struts?


The decklid is not that heavy, so I'm using a prop rod only for now.

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Clay sorry about the drool i may have left on your car at the show.


It came off with a glass wipe. LOL
It was great getting to meet you.



Isolde MSG #289, 03-31-2010 05:42 PM
      the dead-on side view, above the pic with your wife, is an excellent shot, thank you!

carnut122 MSG #290, 05-03-2010 08:23 PM
      Nice pictures! I'm glad the local contingent managed to represent us deadbeats!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #291, 05-12-2010 02:14 PM
     


My goodness. Please post some pics. The construction side of PFF is starting to put me to How about some side angle pictures of the car (closer this time than before), and meaty pics of the tires.


Shill MSG #292, 05-13-2010 06:45 PM
      I must say, the bodywork on this is amazing. One of my favorites.

Where can I find more info on the headlights?

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #293, 05-15-2010 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:




My goodness. Please post some pics. The construction side of PFF is starting to put me to How about some side angle pictures of the car (closer this time than before), and meaty pics of the tires.


Clay is an OTR driver and is not home much the next time he is home I am sure he will get some more pic's


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #294, 05-15-2010 10:32 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ClayTonto:

Daytona!!!
After the show




A mean lookin ride...stealthy.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #295, 05-26-2010 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:


Clay is an OTR driver and is not home much the next time he is home I am sure he will get some more pic's


I'm bored. Please amuse me before I have a .


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #296, 06-23-2010 02:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


I'm bored. Please amuse me before I have a .


You have a PM.

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #297, 06-23-2010 08:13 PM
      Curly,

for some reason Clay can not log in to PFF. his computer will not let him.
he was just at my shop yesterday and back on the road today.
D.


ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #298, 06-26-2010 07:05 PM
      Just got it to log on.
My wife has Jury duty next week, which means I'll have time to tinker with the car. Gotta' love the justice system.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #299, 01-21-2011 09:15 PM
      bump

Navras MSG #300, 02-04-2011 07:45 PM
      Bump for a beeeaaautiful Fiero.

ghost187x MSG #301, 02-13-2011 12:51 PM
      nice stealthy fiero! F-117 nighthawk ... lol


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #302, 02-26-2011 08:41 AM
      Clay is expanding his company and is selling the car to do so.
he is asking 16k for it call or pm Clay or me with any questions about it.
he has a lot more in it than he is asking.

we will be building him a new one down the road
D.


infinitewill MSG #303, 02-26-2011 12:05 PM
      .

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bigcheese MSG #304, 04-04-2011 09:28 PM
      Well, the work continues, slowly but surely. After I got the car back to KY, I took it to my guy and had him order me a brand new 750 Summit Street & Strip, vacuum secondary, as the car just wasn't running right which Dean and Clay both said needed attention so I knew that going into it. While he was getting it ordered and ready to install, I made a little adjustment to the NOS purge which my 12 year old son found "Awesome"..lol. (view video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK93qqrzj4g)

Anyway, Dean and Clay, you'll be glad to know that the new 750 has made this thing run like a totally different car as it did when the first week I drove it. It is INCREDIBLY fast and turns heads everywhere I go.

Next step will be the interior. Fiero Thomas is sending me a CF headliner, boots, and visors. I'll also be pulling the dash soon to get it upholstered. And by soon, that means AFTER I get back from my Myrtle Beach vacation this week! :-)


1988holleyformula MSG #305, 04-04-2011 11:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bigcheese:


Next step will be the interior. Fiero Thomas is sending me a CF headliner, boots, and visors. I'll also be pulling the dash soon to get it upholstered. And by soon, that means AFTER I get back from my Myrtle Beach vacation this week! :-)


Are you going to continue with this thread? Or make a new one? Because we will want pictures of your progress!


bigcheese MSG #306, 04-04-2011 11:41 PM
      I really hadn't thought about starting a new one. I guess I could and just link back to this one in the first post on the new thread. What do you think?



BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #307, 09-25-2011 08:56 PM
      Except for the SBC (I'd of went a different route), this is hands down my favorite Fiero of all time. And I NEVER make comments like this!


Archie, you guys made the perfect Fiero re-body. Seriously.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #308, 05-17-2012 04:55 AM
      I smell something cooking ??



Clay's new signature:

Goals in Life:
1. Get Married..........Check!
2. Build Dream Car..........Check!
3. Get Wife to Come Back...
4. o.k. sell dream car and woo wife back......................................check
5. Convince Wife Dream Car was built for her..........Check!
6. Buy Dream Car Back..........Check!

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Voytek (vurbanson@pecousa.com) MSG #309, 05-18-2012 01:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

I smell something cooking ??



Clay's new signature:

Goals in Life:
1. Get Married..........Check!
2. Build Dream Car..........Check!
3. Get Wife to Come Back...
4. o.k. sell dream car and woo wife back......................................check
5. Convince Wife Dream Car was built for her..........Check!
6. Buy Dream Car Back..........Check!



Wow - speechless


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #310, 05-18-2012 09:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Voytek:


Wow - speechless


Understatement!!!!!! And she can cook!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #311, 05-18-2012 11:45 PM
     

lmao !

The girl in the picture is just some random girl off the net.


SlowGuitarMan (kphilli8@mix.wvu.edu) MSG #312, 05-21-2012 05:05 PM
      I noticed the sig too. I wondered how that car sold so fast. Thought the guy selling was nuts to think he was going to get back what he had put into it.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #313, 05-30-2012 07:34 PM
     

So clay what is shaking ??


SLOWnSTEADY (keithschutte@aol.com) MSG #314, 07-05-2012 03:38 PM
      Every time I see one of your build threads, I want to buy a tent and just go "Man vs. Wild"!! why, you ask...? So I can save every penny I make for like 4-5 years and drop my Fiero off at your shop!!! LOL

Never see any Notchie love though....

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #315, 08-04-2012 04:56 PM
     

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #316, 11-24-2012 04:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:





rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #317, 01-02-2013 02:17 PM
      This car should attend Daytona this year so I can drool on the paint :> )

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #318, 07-12-2013 01:44 AM
      So many may be asking.....just where did this car go?



My garage that's where. So somebody buy my old one, I can't have 2. lol
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/066556.html

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Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #319, 07-12-2013 01:49 AM
      Oh, and yea I do plan some more work on it.

Interior upholstery, new gagues, full fresh paint (thinking BMW black pearl), Lotus Esprit style shifter/bezel. Multi camera system, one for rear backup, other for....stuff. Parking sensors, nav....

Think I better Ebay some more stuff so I can do this.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #320, 07-19-2013 03:58 AM
      Guess I could do a little update on the status of the car. What was wrong / fixed so far.

------ Stereo stolen (sub, head unit, amp). Almost got killed because the previous owner decided to leave live wires behind the passenger seat. Split second slower me moving my hand away and who knows what would have happened. Sparks actually fused the wire that almost got me to some metal plate behind the seat. Plan to replace the amp and sub but go with a custom Android based 2Din head unit and have some custom work done. Likely a back-up camera in there as well.
------ Was only 2 1/2 quarts of oil left in the car. Did a change and took almost 7 quarts to top off. Glad it didn't cause any damage.
------ Really crap paint job. In process of wet sanding and fixing it up. Why do that to a nice car like this and not spend the time for a proper job is beyond me.
------ Rear hatch glass coming loose. Will have it reset soon.
------ Drives door panel was being held on with 2 plastic plugs. (fixed)
------ Volt Meter, Oil Pressure, and Air/Fuel ratio gauges are all bonkers. New gauges on order. Engine running very rich right now, will get tuned properly.
------ Hood latch was broken. (fixed)
------ Improper cheap battery installed, NOS bottle holder / rail was bent and bolt snapped by whoever swapped the battery. (fixed....mostly)

I'll be having it gone over mechanically soon to make sure everything else is ok just to be certain.

"tonycrouch" no offence, but I honestly have to say you must not have cared about this car. If it's condition says anything it's been really neglected. Very glad I got it now because I don't believe it would have lasted much longer, especially on 2 1/2 quarts of oil.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #321, 07-19-2013 06:27 PM
     

Looking forward to seeing you take this one to an even greater level.

Congratulations.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #322, 07-23-2013 03:40 PM
      I'll update some pics later. But small update:

1) Paint refinishing almost complete, not perfect, but turning out very well considering what we had to work with.
2) New Audio/Video system en route.
3) New "GloShift" gauges and carbon fibered dash plate installed.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #323, 07-26-2013 02:45 AM
      Pic of the new GloShift gauges. Likely need a new O2 sensor:


Paint refinishing getting there. I wet sanded the entire car down....3 times, then used Diamond Cut compound, then another compound, then polish.......guh...

That paint job was just horrendous. So many runs to get out, 3 or 4 coats of just enamel slapped on....all uneven. Hope I never have to do this again. Paint won't be perfect but will be a massive improvement. In a few years I'll probably have a Black pearl paint job done......but really don't want to think about paint at all at this point....



Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #324, 07-29-2013 01:39 PM
      Audio/Video system installed, just waiting for the Amp to show up.

Had to cut the dash just a little bit to get it to fit properly, but surprisingly bolts into the stock radio holes.

Awesome setup, the face-plate is actually a detachable 7" Android 4.0 tablet. Has Back-up camera, DVR, navigation, and anything a tablet could have. Even Angry Birds! lol Has plenty of room, back-up camera is tied to a manual switch to pop it on and off at will instead of just when the car is in reverse.





Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #325, 07-31-2013 02:07 PM
      Had it at a small local car show yesterday. Got a lot of attention and not one person knew what it actually was until their either asked or saw the badge.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #326, 07-31-2013 10:28 PM
      Working on a new Carb now. The 750 cfm summit on it was junk too. Slapped on a custom 930 cfm and damn did this car scream. Night and day difference. 930 is a bit much, so probably go to an 800 and make adjustments from there.

Loosened up the suspension too, nice soft ride on the freeway.


zkhennings MSG #327, 08-01-2013 02:46 PM
      Post some video please! I have always liked this car a lot

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #328, 08-01-2013 04:07 PM
      I certainly will once we get it running properly.

ghost187x MSG #329, 08-03-2013 03:04 PM
      I have always loved this car. Any dyno runs in the future? Are you going to keep the wheels?

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #330, 08-04-2013 01:35 AM
      Hopefully all that at some point. Wheels, tires, suspension are all great, so not touching those. Just got the new Carb on today and need to get it set properly. Air/Fuel ratio is a little off. New alternator is on the way too. The stock 74 amp junk one is still on there, with the sound system and all it can't handle it. So ordered a 140 amp one. One of rotors is warped as well.

Doing my best to get this car back in perfect condition and/or make some quick improvements.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #331, 08-04-2013 11:40 PM
      Plugs changed, man what a pain. Had to take the alternator off to get to the last pair. I think these are the same ones originally installed:


Got the new Holly 750 cfm double pumper installed. Runs a lot better, great throttle response, but still needs a little tuning. Fuel pressure gauge put on too....kinda surprised it never had one to begin with.


And forgot to mention the new headliner installed. lol Had carbon fiber sun visors as well:


Should have the new Alternator in stock and installed Tuesday or Wednesday. Not much more to go until it's back to 100%.


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #332, 08-08-2013 02:32 PM
      Got the rear hatch glass taken off and resealed, new tips put on and straightened out:


Did a little carbon fiber bezel on the dash:


And cleaned it up a bit for the next show. Just a tune and taking care of a warped rotor left and it's back to 100%:


zkhennings MSG #333, 08-08-2013 02:50 PM
      Looking realllyyy nice... Also, is that an SRT cherokee?

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #334, 08-09-2013 12:52 AM
      Yep, it's a 2014 JGC SRT. Love the headlights. :P

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #335, 08-12-2013 11:38 PM
      Rotors came out good, not just a matter of fixing a stripped bolt hole on one of the calipers. grrrr

zkhennings MSG #336, 08-13-2013 01:26 PM
      They are sick headlights, you should look into some halo headlights for your fiero, I think they would look amazing, especially with the flipper hood
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Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #337, 08-13-2013 05:51 PM
      I thought about doing a HID upgrade with Halos. I had halo's stock on my old M6 and really liked them after a bulb upgrade. Did a halo kit / HID upgrade on my old Trailblazer SS as well, and that just looked awesome, but always had electrical issues with them.

zkhennings MSG #338, 08-14-2013 04:36 PM
      Well I advocate for Halos! I don't know how much you would be into this, but with your very black car, some red Halos would make it look absolutely wicked.

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #339, 08-16-2013 04:39 PM
      Been trying to find some new headlights that I can replace with built in halos instead of trying to customize. Just a huge pain to do it that way since the car is already so modified.

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #340, 05-04-2014 01:18 AM
      Long time since I've posted any updates, but still working on this car quite a bit.

Just recently got a complete EFI kit installed. It's Edelbrocks "E-street" EFI kit with universal sump. Love the tablet it comes with, got to program and adjust the settings on the fly while driving.

Quick YouTube video of it running and walk around. It was running very rich when the video was taken, but that's been fixed.
87' Fiero on Youtube!


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #341, 07-02-2014 04:09 PM
      Got the car running almost perfect! Just a bit more tweakage to go. Runs strong, great throttle response, just a little hesitation at low RPMs cruising around 30 - 35 mph. Think just toning the AFR down a bit will fix that. Actually had it airborn....just a bit....lol

Next thing I have to fix is that crap digital dash. Not accurate at all and at high RPMs it actually falls to 0 on the readout. Just plain junk.

Anyone have suggestions on a good replacement instrument cluster / custom solution?

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zmcdonal MSG #342, 07-02-2014 10:06 PM
      Wow I didn't know you ended up with this car. Very cool. I don't know if you remember, I contacted your a while ago because I'm over in Chesterton, I wanted to come check out what you had done on your other car, and the wrap. I'd definitely like to see this car in person. Looks like that car show picture was up at Al' s in Michigan City, I make it up there occasionally. Michigan City Street scene is having their gathering on the 12th at long John silvers, I'm sure you would really turn some heads up there. I plan to go, hope to see you there so I can check this thing out!

Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #343, 07-02-2014 10:17 PM
      I'll have to remember that. July 12th I should be able to make. What time does that start?

zmcdonal MSG #344, 07-02-2014 10:44 PM
      Yup July 12th. Starts at 6pm and goes until the last person leaves it seems. I've only made it to one of their meets and I didn't get there until like 10:30 and there was still a decent crowd there.

everett842m4 (everettdevore@gmail.com) MSG #345, 08-02-2014 12:55 PM
      very nice work it , its just toooo beautiful

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #346, 06-30-2017 02:06 AM
      Update? I sure miss this car...

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #347, 07-08-2018 04:23 PM
      Does anyone know who owns this car now?

Thanks

Archie


Division (webmaster@animechaos.com) MSG #348, 07-08-2018 07:18 PM
      Just replied to you Archie. I no longer own it, but did sell to someone who visits the forums. Afraid I can't recall their info though.

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #349, 07-12-2018 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Does anyone know who owns this car now?

Thanks

Archie


I don't know who owns the car but I can tell you this, I really miss those days of innovating and customizing Fieros. Curly, Troy, Leroy, and most of the names that posted in this thread who are no longer with us. Those were the good old days. I really miss them

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DotTC MSG #350, 07-13-2018 02:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


I don't know who owns the car but I can tell you this, I really miss those days of innovating and customizing Fieros. Curly, Troy, Leroy, and most of the names that posted in this thread who are no longer with us. Those were the good old days. I really miss them



Reading through countless threads of interesting and new innovative mods seem to be gone. I agree with you completely.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #351, 07-14-2018 04:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


I don't know who owns the car but I can tell you this, I really miss those days of innovating and customizing Fieros. Curly, Troy, Leroy, and most of the names that posted in this thread who are no longer with us. Those were the good old days. I really miss them



Agreed...

Bob


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #352, 07-17-2018 09:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


I don't know who owns the car but I can tell you this, I really miss those days of innovating and customizing Fieros. Curly, Troy, Leroy, and most of the names that posted in this thread who are no longer with us. Those were the good old days. I really miss them



Curly is still out there customizing and driving his Fieros, he just moved on to another forum. He also has other cars he is modifying as well.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #353, 07-24-2018 02:25 AM
      Yes, those were the days.

I've still been building a few cars out here but not like the old days.

I'm going to try to start posting here more often. Don't really get into or like Facebook like I did PFF.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by IMSA GT:


I don't know who owns the car but I can tell you this, I really miss those days of innovating and customizing Fieros. Curly, Troy, Leroy, and most of the names that posted in this thread who are no longer with us. Those were the good old days. I really miss them





ChopTop (steeljeep@aim.com) MSG #354, 07-24-2018 09:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Yes, those were the days.

I've still been building a few cars out here but not like the old days.

I'm going to try to start posting here more often. Don't really get into or like Facebook like I did PFF.

Archie



Archie, good to see you. I've moved on to Solstices's (ChopTop #4). But I pop on here from time to time because after all these years I still like seeing a good looking Fiero. About the only time I see them now is at the Detroit Woodward Dream Cruise which is coming up, and is always the 3rd Saturday of August. BTW, does anyone chops Fiero's anymore? Take care.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #355, 07-25-2018 01:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ChopTop:


Archie, good to see you. I've moved on to Solstices's (ChopTop #4). But I pop on here from time to time because after all these years I still like seeing a good looking Fiero. About the only time I see them now is at the Detroit Woodward Dream Cruise which is coming up, and is always the 3rd Saturday of August. BTW, does anyone chops Fiero's anymore? Take care.


Cool, show us your Solstice. Or you can email me some pics at Archie@v8archie.com

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #356, 07-26-2018 10:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ChopTop:


Archie, good to see you. I've moved on to Solstices's (ChopTop #4). But I pop on here from time to time because after all these years I still like seeing a good looking Fiero. About the only time I see them now is at the Detroit Woodward Dream Cruise which is coming up, and is always the 3rd Saturday of August. BTW, does anyone chops Fiero's anymore? Take care.


Heeeeey Choptop glad to see you still checking in from time to time. I still have and am working on #4.