A history of Skitimes car
Topic started by: skitime, Date: 02-04-2003 09:34 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000073.html


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #1, 02-04-2003 09:34 PM
     

In August of 2000, I was thinking of getting a sports car again. Since I was able to drive I had always been into fast cars. After looking into getting a Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4, I decided that I could not afford one. Needless to say, my insurance company was not thrilled about it either.
I had an 87 Fiero GT from 87 to 91 and decided to get one again. The 87 GT I had then was a summer project for me. I am a technology education teacher in a high school. I was looking for a project to spend the summer working on. I found a rebuildable wrecked 1987 GT in mid 1987 and the car only had 2000 miles on it and was still under factory waranty. It was sweet with all options including the rare suede tan leather seats and looked much like this one. I kept the car till 91 when my two daughters were too big to strap in side by side.

In my search to find one again, I looked up information about Fieros on the Internet. I found out by luck the Fiero Dutch Classic show was going to be happening in two days and was only 10 miles from my house. Vonnie and I attended the show just to see them. I saw Jeff Dedays car, which was a mint 88 red GT t-top. It was the first t-top I had ever seen. I didn’t know they were even made. Here is a picture of Jeff with his low mileage sweet 88 GT. It had only 6000 miles on it at the time. I knew that was the model of car I wanted. Finding a good red 88 GT T-TOP is not an easy thing to do and it took months of looking.

That day at the show Vonnie also decided she wanted an 88 GT. She found hers first, a sweet 88 GT she bought in September.

After looking at hundreds of Fiero photos I was determined to get a red 88 GT T-Top with the beechwood interior and gold wheels. I found one listed for sale in the Michigan Fiero club website. I emailed the person and they sent several emails some with pictures including this one.

I had a long phone conversation with someone that obviously knew a lot about Fieros. He told me that he was selling it for a woman in town that had the car for a long time. I was told it was in rough condition with only 66,000 miles on it. Well I know this picture does not look too bad but it needed a lot of work. The paint was fair but had been poorly repainted on the nose, left front fender and drivers door. The interior was very dirty and dingy from a heavy smoker. It was so heavily smoked in I had to disassemble the gauges to clean the white numbers because they were brown. The tires needed replaced, and the pin stripe had to go. Rocker panels and quarter windows needed replaced. The T-top weather stripping needed replaced in addition to the driver’s door panel and front fender. The car had been driven daily in Indiana year round. I decided to get the car sight unseen for a fair price.
I hopped a Greyhound bus for an all night trip from PA to Indiana. After a grueling 10-hour bus ride, a great guy, Chris Moore, met me at the bus depot in Fort Wayne, Indiana. At this point in my Fiero life I had not shown a car, and was unaware who Chris was. Well you could imagine my reaction when we went inside the garage seen in the above photo. Inside were three, yes three, red 88 GT t-tops. Chris also had his Northstar convertible but he made me promise not to mention it since he wanted to surprise the Fiero world with it that spring. Also he had his other awesome Northstar Fiero as well as his brother’s cool Fiero in the garage. Unfortunately the car I was buying was the worst one in the garage but I was inspired to change that. After taking care of the title, I started driving it home.
After 50 miles I needed to stop for gas and when I drove away I noticed the automatic trans slipped. Later while stopping for a turnpike toll both I noticed it slipped a lot. I stopped and checked the trans fluid and none registered on the dipstick. Yikes! I filled it up and had to stop every 1/2 tank and refill it. Now I was doing this during my Christmas vacation so wouldn't you know it, Great Lakes effect snows started blowing real hard. The Fiero was all over the road and I was only able to follow a tractor-trailer tire tracks because the snow was getting a few inches deep. Well after about 12 hours of driving I got home and the car was totally white from road salt. It had a front manifold leak so I tried to fix it and of course the bolt broke so the second day it was home the engine/trans/cradle were on the floor. I figured it was a perfect time to detail the engine compartment, engine, cradle and suspension. I spent two evenings sitting inside the engine compartment cleaning everything. Vonnie worked hard on detailing the suspension and cradle for me. The leaking automatic transmission leak was also repaired with a new pan gasket.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #2, 02-04-2003 09:34 PM
      After getting the engine back in I started working on the bad paint. I talked to some body shop guys I decided to do a panels off paint job. I bought a new GT nose and rocker panels and had a puncture on the rear bumper professionally repaired. Here is what it looked like when I drove it to the body shop.

I had a hard decision to make. Do I keep the car stock or do I start modifying it? The decision was made by accident. The body shop had painted the rear bumper all red. They forgot there was black trim. We discussed it and decided to paint all the trim and if I did not like it then he would paint the trim black. I also saw a picture of a cool red GT with a chin spoiler. I loved the look of the spoiler so I got in contact with forum member Lawrence. Here were the pictures I had found while doing a search for Red 88 GT

I learned he made it out of an old GT nose. So I made one too except I added driving light pockets by bonding rear reflector pockets off an old GT rear bumper.


I also had found a set of rare urethane Mecham side scoops. The Mecham racing team was authorized by Pontiac to use the actually Pontiac molds to make these scoops so they fit perfectly and are unbreakable.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #3, 02-04-2003 09:35 PM
      Here is the car after painting it. I took it to spring Fiero show in Carlisle like this in 2000 and was in the tough custom class. It did not receive any awards but did have a lot of people checking it out.

Later that first summer I had a crazy idea for the trunk. On the bus ride to Indiana to pick up the car, I bought a car magazine that had a picture of a Ferrari Spyder 360. The Spyder had an engine window and vents over the mid engine.

I decided that the Fiero had a cool looking engine too and I should try to show it off. I decided to create an engine-viewing window. Fleabit had a scrap trunklid for me to practice on.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #4, 02-04-2003 09:36 PM
      While working on this I decided to cut the next recessed area out on the underside to see if that would work for a vent. After going through two sets of grills and a whole lot of work on modifying a set of Fiero grills I got something that satisfied me. This trunk lid was also given to me by Fleabit.

I then returned to my painter to get the new modified trunk lid painted. Here it is with the new trunk lid. I have all the original body parts so I could restore to car back to stock. All the extra original body parts were also painted to match the new paint job. That was a lot of extra expense. I have finally come to the conclusion that I will never do that. So now my family room has nearly an entire set of nicely painted Fiero quarter panels, hood, trunk and front fenders.

After I had gone to a few Fiero shows and showed my car in the custom class I realized that I did not have a chance with my stock wheels in a custom Fiero class. I looked and looked for a set of wheels. I wanted something to give an appearance of being strong. I disliked the appearance of wheels with thin spokes. The car being monochrome really needed something to create some "pizazz" so I decided to go with chrome wheels. I found a set I liked through a shop that sold discontinued and clearance wheels. I think they were a good choice. They are 17" Prime wheels model 705. After I had them on I took it out for the first time to take pictures of my car. At my brothers place I took the now familiar photo of this car. If you compare this photo with the ones prior to the new wheels, I think you will find a dramatic change in the appearance of the car. In other words the wheels can really make the car.

The very next day this was my car.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #5, 02-04-2003 09:36 PM
      Well next I found that with the t-tops I missed the option of popping open the sunroof. I was wondering what I could do about it when I had another idea: to make a removable rear window. Unfortunately in order to do this I had to remove the new glued in headliner as well as most the interior. Anyway it came out great. One of the few thing that went exactly as planned. (I noticed in this pic I was also working on another mod that did not appear till the next show season.)


This was as far as I got during the first show season with the car.


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Tabs31 (damas4960@home.com) MSG #6, 02-04-2003 10:00 PM
      Wow great story so far ski. I can't wait to hear the rest.



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #7, 02-04-2003 10:15 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

(I noticed in this pic I was also working on another mod that did not appear till the next show season.)

I spy with my little eye a vented fender



fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #8, 02-04-2003 10:17 PM
      Well after seeing your workbench I don't feel as bad since mine usually looks about the same way (cluttered). Very very nice, well this gives me hope on my fiero =).



FieroFiend MSG #9, 02-04-2003 10:22 PM
      I had no idea your rear window was removable sweet idea, I would have gone for the whole window though, any reason you didnt or couldnt do this?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #10, 02-04-2003 10:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by FieroFiend:

I had no idea your rear window was removable sweet idea, I would have gone for the whole window though, any reason you didnt or couldnt do this?

The whole window will not clear the rounded corners of the rear clip. Also the window does provide some body strength so leaving the smaller pieces glued in give strength to the body.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #11, 02-04-2003 10:38 PM
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furious_fiero (p_confectioner@hotmail.com) MSG #12, 02-04-2003 10:39 PM
      wow I didnt know that you just got into Fieros in 2000. You seem like quite an expert. Well I gotta say, your Fiero is one of my favorites on the forum. Keep up the great work!



FieroJames (acidfire_2003@yahoo.com) MSG #13, 02-04-2003 10:51 PM
      long journey.... LOL wow ski u always seem to amaze me .



FieroFiend MSG #14, 02-04-2003 11:15 PM
      thanks for the info skitime, its to bad the whole or close to it cant come out would have been sweet with the t-tops down and the back window out, now thats fun



litespd MSG #15, 02-04-2003 11:21 PM
      Great story, Ski...I'm looking forward to the next installment! Your car is truly amazing...I hope to be able to see it in person one day! Have fun skiing tomorrow...and watch that knee! We'll be waiting for your next post when you return.



wpgfiero (cjsvl@shaw.ca) MSG #16, 02-04-2003 11:46 PM
      awesome story so far man, has anyone thought of trying to make the part of the rear window ski has made removable roll down? maybe like a power window? i think the honda del sol has this feaure and i think its neat. does anyone know of any reasons ahy it wouldn't work? thanks for any help

Rare87GT (rare88@cox.net) MSG #17, 02-04-2003 11:52 PM
      Really shows how much love and hard work went into this car. Simply beautiful!



fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #18, 02-04-2003 11:53 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by wpgfiero:

awesome story so far man, has anyone thought of trying to make the part of the rear window ski has made removable roll down? maybe like a power window? i think the honda del sol has this feaure and i think its neat. does anyone know of any reasons ahy it wouldn't work? thanks for any help

Well the wiring harness goes through the center, but I guess that could be moved. All in all it would be a huge project since there isn't that incredibly much space for movement.



LS1swap (aswanson60098@sbcglobal.net) MSG #19, 02-05-2003 08:23 AM
      Great documentation I didn't know about the removable rear window either. I do agree I miss being able to open the sun roof on my GT like I can on my SE with sun roof. Did you just take the stock window into a glass shop and have them cut it, or is it all new custom pieces ? I love these stories on how a car becomes to be what it is... Keep us posted

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #20, 02-05-2003 08:31 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by furious_fiero:

wow I didnt know that you just got into Fieros in 2000. You seem like quite an expert. Well I gotta say, your Fiero is one of my favorites on the forum. Keep up the great work!

Well, I did not exactly just get into Fieros in 2000. I had Triumph sports car since I was 15. I work as a sports car mechanic to pay my way through college. So I knew my way around cars. (Except computer controlled modern cars since they were not controlled that way back then). After getting married I was without a sports car for the first time in my life. I teach technology education in a high scool so one summer in 1987 I was looking for a project to work on during my summer vacation. I found a rebuildable wrecked 1987 Fiero GT. The car was brand new with all options including leather seats. It was hit on the passenger side from door on back. The car only had 2000 miles on it and still smelled new as well as having the factory warranty on it. I drove that car from 87 to 91 when my two daughters got too big to strap them in the passenger seat side by side. It was a sweet car but as you can see I was not totally new to Fieros when I purchased the red GT t-top.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #21, 02-05-2003 08:49 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by wpgfiero:

awesome story so far man, has anyone thought of trying to make the part of the rear window ski has made removable roll down? maybe like a power window? i think the honda del sol has this feaure and i think its neat. does anyone know of any reasons ahy it wouldn't work? thanks for any help

I of course studied lowering it but quickly decided it was not feasible. If you go out and look at your Fiero you will see that if you follow the window surface straight down you will be into the manifolds of the engine of a V6.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #22, 02-05-2003 09:16 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by LS1swap:

Great documentation I didn't know about the removable rear window either. I do agree I miss being able to open the sun roof on my GT like I can on my SE with sun roof. Did you just take the stock window into a glass shop and have them cut it, or is it all new custom pieces ? I love these stories on how a car becomes to be what it is... Keep us posted

The original rear window is tempered glass. You cannot cut tempered glass so you have to make new glass. You choices are Lexan, inexpensive safety glass or expensive custom tempered glass. I tried safety glass for all three pieces but the center one cracked as soon as I closed the latch. I then got a custom piece of tempered glass made for the center piece.

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blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #23, 02-05-2003 12:42 PM
      Thank You very much for running with this idea from "the ugly/sad Fiero" thread. It really makes me more appreciate the effort you put in your car.

I like the way you tied your purchase to seeing the red GT in the Dutch classic. It's a nice way to start your history. Good stuff, thanks for the reply in the other thread!



stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 02-05-2003 02:42 PM
      I've been waiting for something like this. Keep the history commin!...I'd make one of mine, however, I don't have any pics of the 2M4 before it was turned into a Cadero or anything. Awesome work Skitime!



Along For The Ride MSG #25, 02-05-2003 04:40 PM
      But it was the leather seats that really put the car over the top.

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #26, 02-05-2003 05:21 PM
      Great write up Dave.
Through all this I am sure you have learn't one valuable lesson. Buy stronger vises.



86 FIERO GT (vansboy911@aol.com) MSG #27, 02-05-2003 05:30 PM
      Ski your decklid has inspired me to either make one similar or go the vented route with little covers for when it rains.



jelly2m8 (acook1@bwr.eastlink.ca) MSG #28, 02-05-2003 07:10 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by AusFiero:

Great write up Dave.
Through all this I am sure you have learn't one valuable lesson. Buy stronger vises.


muhahaha! I forgot all about that Aus!




jscott1 MSG #29, 02-05-2003 09:28 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

...so the second day it was home the engine/trans/cradle were on the floor.

Two days into Fiero ownership and you drop an Engine/cradle!! You are amazing Skitime!!!!


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #30, 02-06-2003 08:22 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by AusFiero:

Great write up Dave.
Through all this I am sure you have learn't one valuable lesson. Buy stronger vises.

To let everyone in on Aus's comment. While Aus was staying with me for the Carlisle Fiero show, we needed to hold a piece in the vise very firmly. Well Aus is a big strong guy and proceeded to tighten it up for me. Apparently beyond the strength of my vise. I used it for years without a problem but he only used it once. lol

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #31, 02-06-2003 08:08 PM
      I ended the first installment of the history of my car at the end of the first show season. I ended up doing fairly well at the shows as my first show season progressed and the car evolved. After the last show and the PA Fiero gathering in the fall I started in earnest to finish a fender modification that I had started earlier that summer. While I was at a junkyard that summer, looking for hardware to build my removable rear window, I noticed a 80s Trans Am with non-functional front fender vents behind the front wheel. The vents are made of urethane that was mounted in a recessed steel fender. After looking at them I thought to myself “hmmm I think I have a home for these”.

I got a scrap fender and tried it out to check if the contours would fit. It was almost perfect.

Since the piece is also urethane I used urethane panel repair epoxy to bond the two pieces.


My intention was to make the fenders functional. I was going to vent the air pressure behind the radiator to these vents with ducts and cutting through the fender wall beside the headlights. But as fate would have it another project came up that changed those plans so I have not made the vents functional yet. I really don’t like that since I sort of dislike non-functional vents. I may still make them functional. Here is a close-up after being painted.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #32, 02-06-2003 08:09 PM
      I found a ZR-2 hood for sale in the Pennock’s Mall. I thought that I might be a great way to vent the pressure behind the radiator. After I received it I was very disappointed in the quality of the piece. I do not have a picture of the scoop when I first got it but it looks like this Ebay pic.

I had bought it second hand so I do not know who originally made it. I set it on the hood of an 86 GT I had bought to see how it changed the appearance of the car. I left it on there for a few weeks and every time I looked out the window at it there was something I did not like about it. Now I want to be careful here not to offend anyone so this is my personal opinion about the scoop and I am not trying to put down any one else’s car. I finally realized why I did not like it was because it did not work with the original bodylines of the Fiero. If you look closely at a Fiero hood there are three lines, which are all, carried down onto the nose. The scoop covered the two strong lines running past the headlight covers. Even worse it created a change of the raised centerline coming from the nose into a wide dip. Now these scoop lines look great if you use the whole ZR2 body kit but in my opinion not with just adding the scoop to a Fiero. Here is a ZR2 Fiero example and it does look good since there are no body lines coming off the hood.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #33, 02-06-2003 08:10 PM
      So I was going to sell the scoop but decided I could at least see if I could modify it to work with the Fiero. I told Vonnie I was going to cut a $100 bill in half with a circular saw. I took the scoop in the garage and cut the center 4 inches out of the scoop. Now my scoop was laying there in three pieces. Wish I had pictures of that. I used my front porch as a huge sanding block to get the two large halves straight enough to bond them back together. I used the 4-inch center strip to reinforce the bond of the two halves by bonding it underneath. This created a scoop without the center dip and made the scoop narrower so I would not loose the sharp lines found on the hood. I got an extra hood from Foxgapfiero and proceeded to bond the hood and scoop together.

Let me discuss the opening in the hood and hope not to offend anyone. I see lots of Fiero hoods with the vent being the half moon shape on the underside. Here is the only pic of have of the underside.

I know why they use this but if you go out and look at your Fiero nearly all this shape is over the radiator and not behind the radiator. Obviously you want the opening to be in the air stream coming out of the radiator. I attemted to maximize the opening and work with the air flow which is actually upward out of the radiator. I followed the curve of the trunk wall as close as possible and create a shape that would assist extracting air. I also wanted to retain the body lines on the top of the hood so I did not bond the scoop to the top surface but recessed the bonding surface the retain the close by body lines.

Here is the hood prior to bonding.


I spent an unbelievable amount of time doing the bodywork to get the hood looking correctly. I prefer to do my sanding and contouring by hand so it took a long time.

The underside of the scoop was ugly sprayed fiberglass. I hate to see scoops that are added on that look great until you see the underside. Often you will see rough fiberglass or the hacked up openings where a hole was cut and not blended into the scoop at all. I spent weeks working only on the bottom to blend all surfaces to make it look like it was not added on.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #34, 02-06-2003 08:10 PM
      So in the end I ended up with what I felt was an extraction hood scoop that worked with the bodylines. Here is my car after another trip to the paint shop.

Well let me stop here again while I work on the next section. THE ENGINE SWAP



jscott1 MSG #35, 02-06-2003 08:24 PM
     

Smoooooth GT MSG #36, 02-06-2003 09:54 PM
      Absolutely Fantastic.... You know how I feel about your Fiero...



stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #37, 02-06-2003 10:12 PM
      I'm in awe!



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #38, 02-06-2003 11:44 PM
      I wish I had a TV in my garage

FieroFiend MSG #39, 02-07-2003 12:11 AM
      Skitime Im really interested in your hood, any more detailed pics on its creation? You should sell Skitime body kits :P

Fiero5 MSG #40, 02-07-2003 01:21 PM
      Drooooooooollll!!!!!
Tech meet at Skitimes

Steve



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #41, 02-07-2003 03:26 PM
      While I was working on the hood project I had decided to do an engine swap. I was fortunate to drive Jelly2M8s V8 Fiero that summer while we were traveling in Nova Scotia. It was a real head snapping car.



I also drove Fiero38SC’s supercharged during the PA Gathering at the Gilberts. I was very impressed with the power this car had.

I also drove FieroF1’s turbo 2.8 GT at the fall club meeting. I could tell the extra power seriously changed the personality of the Fiero.

I had visited Rockcrawl to check out his 4.9 Caddy setup. Jon had convinced me into doing the 4.9 swap.

The install looked like it had a lot of potential. Therefore I decided to do a 4.9 Caddy engine swap and even visited several junkyards trying to find one.


One evening, I was surfing Ebay and found a new crate 3800 supercharged engine. I emailed the seller and he called me back to discuss the engine. Here is one of 32 pictures he sent me of the engine.

After the phone call I asked around what it would be worth and found out it was worth a lot more than the “Buy Now” price. So I did the “buy now” for $1400. Yikes! Just like that I had two major projects going at once so I decided to finish the hood before starting the engine swap.

The previous summer, Fleabit had found a wrecked 88 GT and asked me if there were anything I would want. It was a complete car. I was able to buy the engine, 5 speed Getrag, cradle, suspension, shifter, shifter cables and anything I needed for a automatic to manual trans swap all for $150. I figured it was certainly cheap and did not have any idea what I would do with it. It sat in the corner of my garage for over a year. It suddenly became obvious why I had bought it. This gave me the perfect platform to build the engine swap on. I could also convert my automatic GT into a 5 speed Getrag at the same time. I could do the complete conversion while leaving the GT alone until the swap was ready to go in the car. It was tough to let the new engine set as body filler dust kept building on top on it but I decided not to work on it till the bodywork was done.

Finally I was ready to start the engine work. There were lots of Pennock’s folk that assisted me in information on the engine swap but first and foremost was TerryK. He was so helpful getting me through the wiring and ECM stuff. Others that helped me were Eric at West Coast Fiero, Jelly2M8, Boilermaker, Phil, ToomanyFieros, Fiero38SC, Rockcrawl and I am sure I am missing some people. Many thanks to all. Let me say from the start about my engine swap. I plagued myself because I always think I have a better idea than GM. There was almost nothing on the outside of my engine that is still in its original place. I am in the Fiero chat room nearly every night and my friends constantly harassed me as to why it was not done yet. Good things take time. I was working in my garage usually from 4 o’clock to 9 or 10 o’clock every day from late fall till spring and I would use the Fiero chat room to unwind before bed. I often wondered what my neighbors thought with the garage lit up every night and the TV on. They must of thought I was banished to the garage.

Since I had the engine window I wanted to keep everything clean. I did not what anything interfering with the view through the window. When I announced that I was going to do a 3800SC swap, several people asked my why because the 3800 was too ugly to be in my car. I told them I would make it a pretty engine.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #42, 02-07-2003 03:27 PM
      The engine came with the engine harness but without the alternator, AC compressor or compressor bracket. I bought an 97 GTP car harness ($100) and 3800 Camaro manual flywheel ($50) through www.car-parts.com . Here you can see I was attempting to figure out where the harness connections would go.

Since I did not want to spend a lot of money I decided to get an AC bracket and compressor from a Series 1 3800 engine from a U-Pull-It yard for $10. The Series 1 bracket bolts on but does need some grinding to clear the block.

I priced a 3800 SII alternator but decided to adapt my 88 Fiero alternator and bracket since it would create a cleaner install and would fit where the power steering pump would be and using this alternator would not cost me anything.

Then I started to do a lot of measuring of the 2.8 and the 3800 engines. To my amazement, I found out the 3800 was shorter and lower than the 2.8. I had taught metal shop for 8 years so I can fabricate just about anything I need. So I then built my front motor mount for the conversion. The transmission mounts and axles could be left as stock since I was using the 5 speed Getrag.

While doing the measuring I made an amazing discovery. The original dogbone mount for the 3800 could be mounted on the opposite head and was within fractions of an inch of the 2.8 dogbone mount. Hmmmm I think I have to use this. So I proceeded to adapt the dogbone and mount the unit on the cradle.

Next I started to tackle the wiring harness. Most 3800SC I see have a lot of ugly wire harness visible. Most just use the original harness on top of the engine and I have seen some swaps with both the 3800 harness and the 2.8 harness visible. I wanted my harness to be laid out like a Fiero harness and have as little as possible visible. I started by striping the harness from the sheath so I could arrange each wire in the path I chose. I also blended the Fiero harness into the 3800 harness at the same time. You can see the mess in the above and below photographs.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #43, 02-07-2003 03:31 PM
      This process took a very long time since I kept relocating parts and redesigning the harness. I would often just sit and stare at the engine for long periods of time and Vonnie would come down and laugh at me staring at the engine. One evening she sneaked up on me and took this picture while I was in one of these trances.

Now what I had to do with each wire was check what it was for and where it went on the 97 GTP engine wiring diagram then convert the connection as to which pin it would be on the 95 Bonneville ECM diagram as well as if it would connect to the Fiero harness and what pin it might be on the Fiero. I had the 97 GTP diagram blown up to four times its size so I could easily follow the wire path. This hung up over my work bench and is in fact still hanging there. This is only the diagram for the engine not the whole car.

The harness started to come together after a few weeks. Notice that the harness is now designed exactly like a Fiero harness. I have the sheathed bundle extending over to the battery the same as the Fiero harness does. I even used the Fiero harness support brace to hold it securely. In this bundle is all the wires for the 3800 coil pack. I had decided to relocate the coil pack off the engine and over beside the battery. This would allow a cleaner install since the associated wires and spark plug wires would not be on the engine.

The harness was almost done except for the connections at the ECM. I had decided to change to a 95 Bonneville ECM so the connectors would be different. I had to disconnect all the wires from two connectors like this and then solder them to three different connectors for the Bonneville ECM.

That ended up being over 100 wires cut spliced and soldered. I spent many evenings sitting like this splicing-soldering-testing each connection from both ends.

To take breaks from the wiring I worked on a few other things. I painted the valve covers and supercharger, installed the WCF headers and redesigned the pulley arrangement and created new fuel rails that went under the supercharger rather then over it.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-08-2003).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #44, 02-07-2003 03:32 PM
      Eric at West Coast Fiero was one of my Fiero Chat room buddies and one night he asked me what I was doing for exhaust. I said that I would love their headers but could not afford them so they decided to help me out. They also provided poly motor mounts and a custom dogbone. I would help them out by showing their products at the shows. I owe them a huge thank you for their support. Their headers allow you to design the exhaust system like the original Fiero exhaust system. I sent the headers to Jet-Hot to be ceramic coated prior to installing the engine in the car.



One of the important things I was trying to accomplish was to make the engine appear to have been installed by the factory. . I wanted to engine to look similar to the stock Fiero engine. I really dislike the cheap looking plastic cover GM chooses to hide the mess they made under it.

I felt that the supercharger should be something to show off through the window in the trunk lid and should not be hidden under plastic. Have you ever seen superchargers hidden on high performance show cars? So I removed the supercharger and painted it to match the red of the car, which is close to the Fiero engine color. The valve covers on the Series II engines are made of fiberglass. I wanted to have the look of the brushed aluminum of the original Fiero valve covers. I laminated 1/16th inch aluminum strips to the covers and finished them in the same luster of a Fiero valve cover.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-07-2003).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #45, 02-07-2003 03:33 PM
      The fuel rails on the 3800SC engine crosses over the supercharger 4 times. Since I was concerned with the view through the trunk window I decided to redesign them.


What make this even more unacceptable is every 3800SC install then has to run long fuel lines from the inlet and outlet seen here all the way around the engine to connect to the fuel connections below the battery. That leaves ugly hoses running all around the engine compartment. I used the original Fiero steel fuel lines and brazed them into my redesigned fuel rails so no hoses are needed at all.

I also used the original 3800 manifold heat shields and modified them to use with the headers as seen above.

Here is a good picture of how I redesigned my pulleys. I ended up reducing it by two pulleys. Pulleys cost you horsepower.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-07-2003).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #46, 02-07-2003 03:33 PM
      I got my flywheel back from the machinist and received V8Archie’s Centerforce clutch so I installed them.

The other system I needed to construct were the connections for the cooling. I wanted to create pipes the would drop exactly to the same locations as the stock hoses. I also needed a way to fill the system. I tried to find something the diameter of pipe I wanted that I could bend to the shape I wanted. I looked and looked and asked my buddies on the Fiero chat. Finally it came to me at the hardware store. PVC pipe. I would use my space heater to heat the pipes until soft then bend it to shape and cool it in the sink. Eventually I had two pieces the proper shape so I could take them to my exhaust guy and say make me copies of these pipes in steel. I brazed a filler fitting from a 4 cylinder to the top of the pipe to create the filler.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #47, 02-07-2003 03:35 PM
      I do not have any pictures involving converting the car from automatic to a manual setup. So let me explain what was involved. The hardest part to do was installing the cables which is not hard but involves completely disassembling the center console. Once you have the plastic skeleton out it is easy to change the cables. I have heard horror stories here on the forum how hard it is to change the pedal assembly and some of the stories were by very respected members on the forum. One said you must remove the pedal assembly and suggested to just use a sawzall to cut the old one out the other individual said you cannot add the clutch assembly to the automatic assembly. Well, I added my clutch assembly to the automatic assembly in about 15 minutes. All that is needed to be done is remove the bolt that the pedals swing on and then bolt the clutch assembly onto the automatic assembly with bolts and nuts. Then install all the pedals with the new longer bolt but install the long bolt in from the opposite side of the pedal assembly. Bolt the new master brake cylinder. Remove the old automatic lines from under the car and install the clutch fluid line in place. I suggest removing the plastic pan under the spare tire to make it easier to get the fluid line up to the master cylinder. I did not change steering columns but have on to swap someday perhaps.

Well, it was getting time to install the 3800SC so for the second time in a little over a year I was dropping the 2.8 engine.


I use a skid cut to the size of the cradle. I mount a inexpensive set of refrigerator rollers to the skid. On smooth concrete you can easily slide the assembly in any direction with the engine on it. It sure works great. I only need one floor jack and two jack stands to remove an engine. I roll it out the side usually so I don’t have to have the car up very high.

Out with the old and in with the new.

I had made the 3800 engine setup totally plug and play. So all that needed to be done is remove the 2.8 install the 3800 and connect the exact same connectors that were used to connect the 2.8 to the car. This would allow me to reinstall the stock engine back in without modifying anything or transfer this 3800 to another 88 Fiero with ease. There were no modfications to the car itself to recieve the 3800.

Well I will try to get finished with this soon, maybe tomorrow. Sorry it is getting so long. I am surprised at how few comments there are compared to the number of times it is viewed. Strange??

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-08-2003).]

fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #48, 02-07-2003 03:56 PM
      Ski, how long was the car actually engineless?

You said that the engine was well worth the price the guy was asking or worth even more then the guy was asking, why? (not saying it wasn't, just wondering)

About your last comment... no we are all to busy drooling all over out keyboards and shorting them out
Matt

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #49, 02-07-2003 04:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero go fast:

Ski, how long was the car actually engineless?

You said that the engine was well worth the price the guy was asking or worth even more then the guy was asking, why? (not saying it wasn't, just wondering)

About your last comment... no we are all to busy drooling all over out keyboards and shorting them out
Matt

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I prepared the 2.8 to be dropped one evening and dropped the engine in the morning. I did a did a test fit of the 3800SC the same day. Lowered it and adjusted a front motor mount spacer to raise the engine. Later that day I put the engine in for good. So the car was not without a engine for a whole day.

I asked a friend about it who is a GM parts guy. He said they charge $1200 for the supercharger alone. The engine assembly without the supercharger would be around $3000 through GM.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-07-2003).]

Songman MSG #50, 02-07-2003 05:04 PM
      I'm speechless... Totally in awe. My favorite Fiero just keeps on getting better.

I can't believe the things that you have done to that car.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #51, 02-07-2003 05:29 PM
      Hi
Skitime
I just wanted to say, that eng looks AMAZING , it looks like a work of art, and I love the window you put on the eng cover it looks like it came like that from factory, would you please post more pic of it.
Also, would you please tell us a little bit about how the car feels while driving, for those of us that are just on the dreaming stage of our swap.

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CTFieroGT87 (ct5585@yahoo.com) MSG #52, 02-07-2003 05:36 PM
      As us Massachusetts people say, wicked cool!



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #53, 02-07-2003 06:11 PM
      Reason for so many views, and so few comments? We're all just amazed at the work you've done, as well as the speed you work at... just speechless. I wish I had some extra time to work on my car... although reading about your work is really quite motivational as well.

Keep it coming! ::



Tweek (ted@my4cats.com) MSG #54, 02-07-2003 06:35 PM
      You have made your car just so... Right.

I can't even think of any comments to make. Except that I am jealous of the skills that you have to do the work that you do.

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #55, 02-07-2003 07:06 PM
      I said it before...i'll say it again. I'm in AWE!

Awesome work!



FieroFiend MSG #56, 02-07-2003 07:29 PM
      His swap makes it seem so hard heh I guess an eye for perfection will do that, Beautiful engine Skitime keep it up

also is that the 2.8 alternator bracket or am I on drugs?

ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #57, 02-07-2003 07:40 PM
      Take the lack of comments as a compliment. We are all so gob smacked (a delightful English term meaning one is without words) !!

Those who can, do. The rest of us can only look on in awe....

Dave http://www.ltlfrari.com

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litespd MSG #58, 02-07-2003 07:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Skitime:
I am surprised at how few comments there are compared to the number of times it is viewed. Strange??

Ski, I'm just taking it all in. I've seen so many pics of your beautiful car over the past couple of years. To see how it all went together, and became the machine that it is now is impressive...and does tend to make one speechless..



blackie2m6 (lgurney@eastlink.ca) MSG #59, 02-07-2003 08:13 PM
      It's such a pretty car! Here are some more pictures of it.




**edit- forgot the pics**



WeAZz2M6 (jlomoro@sympatico.ca) MSG #60, 02-07-2003 08:48 PM
      Simply amazing, what a captivating read.
You should consider writing for "Hanes". There would be so many more people working on their cars.
This thread is going to be kept on my hard drive for a very long time.
Keep up the great work.
James.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #61, 02-07-2003 09:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroFiend:His swap makes it seem so hard heh I guess an eye for perfection will do that, Beautiful engine Skitime keep it up

also is that the 2.8 alternator bracket or am I on drugs?



Yes it is. I wanted to use the 88 Fiero alternator so I also used the bracket and welded it to the dogbone bracket.



JanusSolSumnus (janus@csbadboyz.net) MSG #62, 02-07-2003 10:34 PM
      I never noticed how awsome your hood was. I totally agree about how the ZR hoods screw the lines up, a friend of mine was telling me about them but I didnt like the way it killed the lines either.

I may go your route with the hood now. damn nice!

LS1swap (aswanson60098@sbcglobal.net) MSG #63, 02-07-2003 11:17 PM
      Very impressive the small details are what makes the difference. I can only hope my car will look as nice one day.



jubjub2m6 (jubjub@phreaker.net) MSG #64, 02-07-2003 11:27 PM
      sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet! love it! keep it coming very interesting!



Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #65, 02-07-2003 11:51 PM
      it's explained pretty clear so there's few questions, and it's a pretty complete explanation so there's no real need for added comments. it's just watch and learn.



red85gt (redfiero85@gmail.com) MSG #66, 02-07-2003 11:51 PM
      Great work skitime!!! Attention to detail is what sets a wanna be apart from a show winning car. I like youre dedication keep up the great work!



jscott1 MSG #67, 02-07-2003 11:56 PM
      Here's a comment...Skitime you are a Fiero Genius. Too bad you don't work on Fieros for a living. The rest of us could use your genius to make our cars look as good as yours.

FieroMGDriver (mgdickey@gmail.com) MSG #68, 02-08-2003 12:26 AM
      I am wondering how you got the underside of the hood and decklid looking so good? They are both flat black just like what came from the factory, and I'm guessing you had those painted after you were done modifying? Honestly, the underside of the hood looks factory original.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #69, 02-08-2003 10:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroMGDriver:

I am wondering how you got the underside of the hood and decklid looking so good? They are both flat black just like what came from the factory, and I'm guessing you had those painted after you were done modifying? Honestly, the underside of the hood looks factory original.

What I had to do is complete cover the underside with body filler to cover the rough blown fiberglass. Then sand by hand until it is perfectly smooth prior to bonding it to the hood. I had to completely create a new contoured shape to the hood prior to mating the pieces. I added a pictures of the hood prior to bonding the scoop to the hood so look back in that section.



HIOSILVER! (drkmn_00@yahoo.com) MSG #70, 02-08-2003 11:07 AM
      I have a question and a comment. First the comment. I am with everyone here when I say you did a spectacular job with your car. And now for the question.
I am in the process of a 3800SC swap myself and I am wondering if you still have the template you used for your cooling system? Or if possible would you get another set done if I pay for them plus extra for your trouble?
Also very curious on your fuel rail modifications.
Thanks in advance.
HIOSILVER


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #71, 02-08-2003 12:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HIOSILVER!:

I have a question and a comment. First the comment. I am with everyone here when I say you did a spectacular job with your car. And now for the question.
I am in the process of a 3800SC swap myself and I am wondering if you still have the template you used for your cooling system? Or if possible would you get another set done if I pay for them plus extra for your trouble?
Also very curious on your fuel rail modifications.
Thanks in advance.
HIOSILVER

Yes, I do still have my PVC patterns. I am not sure if they would work for someone else or not since each install is different. For example I am using a series 1 AC compressor so the pipe might not clear a Series 2 compressor. There is still a lot of custom welding of support brackets too.
Now about fuel rails, I get asked a lot about these and had several request to make them for people. Since the rails are under a lot of fuel pressure a crack or even a pin hole would be a disaster. Therefore I have refrained from making these for someone because of the libility of having one that would fail. I mostly used the original pipe and rebent it after cutting it. I machined couplers on a lathe to precisely fit the pipe and brazed they pieces together so it would be plenty strong. One advantage is I will have an easy time putting on a intercooler which I hope to do soon. Since it will raise the supercharger two inches.



jscott1 MSG #72, 02-08-2003 12:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Since I had the engine window I wanted to keep everything clean. I did not what anything interfering with the view through the window. When I announced that I was going to do a 3800SC swap, several people asked my why because the 3800 was too ugly to be in my car. I told them I would make it a pretty engine.

I too was one of those that thought the 3800SC would look like a mess in the window compared to the beautiful plenum of the Fiero. I'm glad you kept your promise and made the 3800SC pretty. But I had no idea you had to go through so much work to clean up the look of the engine with re-routing the fuel lines and wiring harnesses. That is a lot of extra work, but takes your car to the next level of being a true show car. Congratulations!

HIOSILVER! (drkmn_00@yahoo.com) MSG #73, 02-08-2003 01:15 PM
      Understood. I do have a guy that will be doing some welding for me and custom brackets wouldnt be an issue for him. I do not have ac in my car nor do I have plans to install it. TTops is fine enough for me. Plus I live in Maine so AC is not really a requirement for me. At least 9 months out of the year anyway ;-) So I still would be interested. The pipe you had made is formed to go around the compressor? Seeing as though I wont have that is the bend that significant? Understood about the fuel lines. I didnt really anticipate going that far anyway.
Let me know.
Thanks
HIOSILVER
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Yes, I do still have my PVC patterns. I am not sure if they would work for someone else or not since each install is different. For example I am using a series 1 AC compressor so the pipe might not clear a Series 2 compressor. There is still a lot of custom welding of support brackets too.
Now about fuel rails, I get asked a lot about these and had several request to make them for people. Since the rails are under a lot of fuel pressure a crack or even a pin hole would be a disaster. Therefore I have refrained from making these for someone because of the libility of having one that would fail. I mostly used the original pipe and rebent it after cutting it. I machined couplers on a lathe to precisely fit the pipe and brazed they pieces together so it would be plenty strong. One advantage is I will have an easy time putting on a intercooler which I hope to do soon. Since it will raise the supercharger two inches.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #74, 02-08-2003 01:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HIOSILVER!:

Understood. I do have a guy that will be doing some welding for me and custom brackets wouldnt be an issue for him. I do not have ac in my car nor do I have plans to install it. TTops is fine enough for me. Plus I live in Maine so AC is not really a requirement for me. At least 9 months out of the year anyway ;-) So I still would be interested. The pipe you had made is formed to go around the compressor? Seeing as though I wont have that is the bend that significant? Understood about the fuel lines. I didnt really anticipate going that far anyway.
Let me know.
Thanks
HIOSILVER

You can see the pipe bending around the AC compressor in the section where I mentioned the PVC bending. Since you don't have AC it would be a easy piece to make yourself with my technique.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #75, 02-08-2003 01:40 PM
      Well, let me continue. After physically installing the engine. Vonnie and I towed the car to the muffler shop with a tow strap. Not a very pretty sight since there was no hood, front fenders or nose. Those pieces were not back from the body shop yet.

I had already purchased and modified a Series 80 Flowmaster muffler while the engine was out. I had to make clearance for the cradle.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #76, 02-08-2003 01:40 PM
      I had the shop install a flex joint at the header and use 2-½ stainless steel pipes throughout. It then flowed through a high flow CAT and with tight clearance past the oil pan and into the Flowmaster muffler and exhausts out through West Coast Fiero tips.






skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #77, 02-08-2003 01:42 PM
      After towing it home, I had to start hooking up all the lines and hoses and connections. I believe that was on a Wednesday. I spent a few evenings carefully hooking stuff up. I was very nervous about putting electric to the harness. I just knew some wires would smoke, sparks would fly, and flames would appear. Saturday evening I was done and announced to Vonnie I can’t find anything else to do. It must be ready.




Since I was worried about the wiring I disconnected the ECM just in case. So I carefully hooked the battery up. No sparks, no smoke. So I worriedly turned the key to on. No sparks, no smoke. I left the key on for 5 minutes just to be sure. I decided to turn the key to tap the starter. Nothing!! Damn Now what could be wrong. I knew all the wires were connected on the starter. I tested the starter by jumping the solenoid and it worked. I just took the Fiero manual inside and sat down to figure what I could of possibly done wrong. I figured I would be in for a long troubleshooting session. Almost by magic the manual opened to the starter diagram and there it was. On the C500 connector the automatics use a different pin for the solenoid than the manual cars. I had a automatic car and used a manual 2.8 engine harness to create my 3800 harness. I could not believe I found it so easily. I went out and move the pin to the correct location and tried again. OK the starter now turns the engine and no sparks or smoke. Hallelujah!!!

I just waited a while thinking about things and decided to hook up the ECM but removed my custom burnt chip just in case. I again just turned the key on and waited for smoke. Nothing. Turned the starter over. No smoke no sparks. I breathed a sigh of relief. I decided not to push my luck and quit for the night.

Sunday morning I decided to put the chip back in the ECM and do my smoke and sparks test. Nervously, I put it in and turned the key to on. Only heard the fuel pump priming. That’s a good sign. I decided to tap the starter for the smoke and sparks test. VAROOMMMMMM Oh my god it started immediately and scared the crap out of me! I instantly turned if off and was scared to look at the engine. Vonnie by now had run downstairs to the garage to see what the heck the noise was. I had a scared grin from ear to ear. I had started it by accident but it had started so easily. So with Vonnie watching for trouble I restarted it. Boy was the exhaust loud and sweet. It ran without so much as a miss. DAMN that was cool.

After a few test runs and checking that the coolant was full, I let it run long enough for it to get hot and burn off the oil and stuff since this was a new crate engine. Suddenly the entire contents of the cooling system dumped out on the floor. It was a green flood! Oh no, now what happened? Turns out some idiot never tighten the hose clamp to the coolant pipe under the passenger door. I couldn’t even yell at that idiot. Oh well I fixed the problem and refilled the system. After that I could only enjoy listening to the engine since I had not connected the hydraulics for the clutch.

Jim Gilbert (TooManyFieros) and I had dismantled the Getrag transmission weeks ago since this transmission was an unknown trans from a yard. We were amazed that it looked perfect inside. What luck! We decided to replace the differential axle bearings as well as the input shaft bearings. So after rebuilding the master and slave cylinders I bleed the system and luckily the clutch was releasing properly. Gee guess it soon time for a drive.
I put the trunk lid back on and pulled it outside for some trunk lid pictures with a 3800SC. Since I was waiting for the front end body panels I resisted driving it on the street but the clutch and trans seemed fine.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-08-2003).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #78, 02-08-2003 01:44 PM
      Finally the front end body panels were ready to be picked up. YAHOO!! I had the nose and spoiler repainted as well just to be sure of a good match. I was excited to get the pieces on after months of working on them.



Well with the body panels on I could finally take the car out for a drive. I cannot totally describe the thrill of accomplishing the engine swap by myself. To know exactly where every wire is located and what it connects to, to know how the engine is mounted and engineered is such a satisfying feeling. It makes you so much more than the driver of your car and you become part of the car. The power of the engine is awesome it loves to pull hard and long. There is no lag in power as with a turbo. You can drive the car easy and it purrs right along. It has the power to lug through slow speeds in high gears that reduces shifting. The exhaust is nice and quite while driving easy but bellows sweetly when you get on the accelerator. One of the first drives we did was to go out and take some pictures of the new bodywork. Here is some of the first pictures we took on our first drive. It shows perfectly the bodylines on the nose I was trying to retain on the hood.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #79, 02-08-2003 01:45 PM
     


Well let me stop here and post this and I will try to work on it some more.



rynelson85 (rynelson85@yahoo.com) MSG #80, 02-08-2003 02:27 PM
      I Love it. A work of art to be sure.
-Ryan


thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #81, 02-08-2003 03:28 PM
      two thumbs up..way up ski...such a pleasure to finally know the real story of such a beautifully put together car..i laughed i cried..i am in awe...tim..

Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #82, 02-08-2003 03:45 PM
      Terrific write up Ski! I think a lot of people that didn't know before this thread now know how much time, money, and hard work is required to build such a fantastic car. Your attention to detail and demand for quality and functionallity is quite impressive, I hope that others can appreciate my work as much in the future.

I've been quiet until now because I didn't have any real questions, but now I do. What kind of mileage do you get with the 3800SC now? Also, if you could do it all again, would you change anything the second time around?

Thanks for the great thread! These are the things that make the Fiero family such a great one to be in.

Bryce
88 GT


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #83, 02-08-2003 04:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Nashco:

Terrific write up Ski! I think a lot of people that didn't know before this thread now know how much time, money, and hard work is required to build such a fantastic car. Your attention to detail and demand for quality and functionallity is quite impressive, I hope that others can appreciate my work as much in the future.

I've been quiet until now because I didn't have any real questions, but now I do. What kind of mileage do you get with the 3800SC now? Also, if you could do it all again, would you change anything the second time around?

Thanks for the great thread! These are the things that make the Fiero family such a great one to be in.

Bryce
88 GT

Thanks for the complimnts everyone. I never realized how much time this writing would take.

Bryce- I get better gas mileage with the 3800SC than the 2.8 I get around 23mpg around town and 30mpg on the highway. I got are 17 around town and 25 on the highway with the 2.8.

What would I do differently. Tough question. I have a good painter but his turn around time always leaves me struggling to get done in time for events. Other than that I will have to think on this more and report back.


wpgfiero (cjsvl@shaw.ca) MSG #84, 02-08-2003 04:33 PM
      Awesome story man! I was just wondering how those exhaust tips sound? is it like high pitched or like deep and low or what?

Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #85, 02-08-2003 04:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:
Bryce- I get better gas mileage with the 3800SC than the 2.8 I get around 23mpg around town and 30mpg on the highway. I got are 17 around town and 25 on the highway with the 2.8.

That's great mileage for that kind of power, using the manual trans surely helped. Something to consider in your "would you do it differently" thoughts: If you had access to the auto tranny made for the 3800SC, would you have used it instead of the five speed?

Bryce
88 GT


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #86, 02-08-2003 05:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wpgfiero:

Awesome story man! I was just wondering how those exhaust tips sound? is it like high pitched or like deep and low or what?


Definitely a low rumble.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #87, 02-08-2003 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Nashco:

Something to consider in your "would you do it differently" thoughts: If you had access to the auto tranny made for the 3800SC, would you have used it instead of the five speed?

Bryce
88 GT

I grew up with sports cars all my life so to me a sports car has a manual tranmission. I also live in farmland country with a lot of beautiful "driving" roads. Nothing like down shifting into a turn and powering your way out with a powerful sports car. Ask AusFiero when he was visiting me last summer. He went along for a few twisties in this car. I know most 3800SC conversions do use the automatic but I prefer the manual trans and it is lighter too. I did drive my car from PA to Chigago last summer to the Fierorama and was getting tired of shifting in the city. Pity you poor bastards that live in the cities and sure then a automatic makes sense there.

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KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #88, 02-08-2003 05:27 PM
      WOW. it was great seeing your car in person and meeting you at fierorama. That feeling when you first start the car is SO great. I remember when I started my V6 car after doing a 4-6cyl swap. I rebuilt the motor myself and it was the first time I had rebuilt a motor. WOW what a feeling. I was literally running thru the hallway jumping up and down. I felt like a little kid who just got a new.....fiero. Hehe.
I remember someone saying you got that car from Chris Moore. I didnt realize it was in that rough of shape. not to say it was rough, but I thought it was one of his personal cars. And You know how they look.

So, are you doing anything new this winter?



AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #89, 02-08-2003 06:40 PM
      I will certainly vouch for the sportiness of the car.
Great car on the twisties with that 3800sc 5 speed.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #90, 02-08-2003 07:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:

WOW. it was great seeing your car in person and meeting you at fierorama. That feeling when you first start the car is SO great. I remember when I started my V6 car after doing a 4-6cyl swap. I rebuilt the motor myself and it was the first time I had rebuilt a motor. WOW what a feeling. I was literally running thru the hallway jumping up and down. I felt like a little kid who just got a new.....fiero. Hehe.
I remember someone saying you got that car from Chris Moore. I didnt realize it was in that rough of shape. not to say it was rough, but I thought it was one of his personal cars. And You know how they look.

So, are you doing anything new this winter?

It was great meetiny you and everyone at the Fierorama. When I called Chris concerning the car he was very up front that the car was in rough shape and was only selling it as a favor for the owner. Funny thing was when he saw the car again it was at the 2001 Carlisle Fiero show. He refused to believe it was the same car. lol

If you remember when I was at Fierorama I was limping and using a cane sometimes. I had a partial knee replacement and a third surgury on Dec. 18th so I really have been unable to do much to the car. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve for this season since my knee is almost to the point of getting back in the garage.

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Zoom88 (twm696@att.net) MSG #91, 02-08-2003 09:16 PM
      Ski, wonderful thread.
You have created a car with its own personality, a piece of true mechanical art,
balanced with beauty....pure eye candy! Your talent and creativity shines through . Great work, I hope to see it in person one day and to meet you.

Terry

AkursedX (akursedx@aol.com) MSG #92, 02-08-2003 09:43 PM
      Ski, I must say that this has been one of the most entertaining threads I have ever read. It's like reading a novel.

You have obviousley showed to the rest of the Fiero community just how much you really love your car and more importantly much you love your work. I look at your car and not only do I see a car, but with the help of this thread, I see your pride, your skill and you passion for doing things right.

I can only hope that one day, when people look at my car, that they see the same kind of qualities in myself.


On a side note, did you end up resolving the slipping problem with the supercharger belt?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #93, 02-08-2003 09:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AkursedX:

Ski, I must say that this has been one of the most entertaining threads I have ever read. It's like reading a novel.

You have obviousley showed to the rest of the Fiero community just how much you really love your car and more importantly much you love your work. I look at your car and not only do I see a car, but with the help of this thread, I see your pride, your skill and you passion for doing things right.

I can only hope that one day, when people look at my car, that they see the same kind of qualities in myself.


On a side note, did you end up resolving the slipping problem with the supercharger belt?


Thnks for you comments. It makes it worth all the time it takes to do this.

Since my knee has kept me out of the garage I have not done anything yet but hope to get in the garage soon.



Jake_Dragon MSG #94, 02-08-2003 10:03 PM
      You have a great car, the attention to detail is what sets it apart. Thumbs up!!
Inspiration is all around us, you are just capitalizing on it. Keep up the good work.
Jake



GTDude (skyhawk@moonstar.com) MSG #95, 02-09-2003 12:19 AM
      Ski......I'm not exactly one of the "old timers", but ever since I saw your car the first time, I thought to myself. "Now that's what I'd like to have....exactly like that".

There aren't many Fiero's that give me this feeling of awe, but yours is definitely THE ONE that does it for me!

You are MY INSPIRATION dude!

Phil



JD86GT350 MSG #96, 02-09-2003 08:58 PM
      You're a better man than I Mr. Skitime, that wiring harness looks like a nightmare to me!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #97, 02-09-2003 09:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JD86GT350:

You're a better man than I Mr. Skitime, that wiring harness looks like a nightmare to me!

Thanks JD but like I said in the thread I just keep thinking I can do it better than GM which plagues me into stuff like that. lol



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #98, 02-09-2003 09:50 PM
      seems like your quite popular ski, i should had you autograph the decklid switch i bought off you thats now resting comfortably above my re-defog switch. Thats right everybody, i have a part of one of Skitimes cars (his now decesed white 88 GT t-top) in my car, so my car is on its way to show winning stardom



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #99, 02-09-2003 10:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GTFiero1:

seems like your quite popular ski, i should had you autograph the decklid switch i bought off you thats now resting comfortably above my re-defog switch. Thats right everybody, i have a part of one of Skitimes cars (his now decesed white 88 GT t-top) in my car, so my car is on its way to show winning stardom

Gee I should of advertised it as a "signed" part. I am sure I would of got more for it. LOL



RWF (rforman@citcom.net) MSG #100, 02-09-2003 11:09 PM
      Hey Ski

Beautiful Fiero.....any secrets on how you get the paint to look that good that you can share with us....

Rick

Fatal Error (spage@texascomputer.org) MSG #101, 02-10-2003 02:00 AM
      To heck with trying to build the perfect fiero .. I'm gonna build a cloneing machine! My hat is off to ya ski, phenomenal. Keep up the great work, good luck with your knee!

-Steve


Darth Vader (brian_b@mchsi.com) MSG #102, 02-10-2003 02:08 AM
     
EXCELLENT!!!!



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #103, 02-10-2003 10:56 AM
      Hmmm... what about the antenna mod? And the Cold Cathode & Neons? I know there's still more to it!

...and I always thought that God created your car... "and God said, Let there be Fieros!" And BAM! there was skitime's car

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #104, 02-10-2003 11:33 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:

Hmmm... what about the antenna mod? And the Cold Cathode & Neons? I know there's still more to it!

...and I always thought that God created your car... "and God said, Let there be Fieros!" And BAM! there was skitime's car

You are right there is more to this story. I just need time to write more about it. Heck there are a few things I a few mods that I have not even finished yet. But you are right I still have a whole year to finish on this history story. I will hopefully get to it soon.



lowfierogt (lowfierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #105, 02-10-2003 12:01 PM
      I just wanted to say thanks for all your help. I've been working on my 3800SC swap for months and will be using alot of his idea's. He has help me through all the hard questions. I have changed a few things and started thinking out of the box and came up with some mods. This guy is great and should hopefully never leave the Fiero family!!!
Tony



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #106, 02-10-2003 04:30 PM
      Hey Skitime.

Great write up. Your attention to detail really makes your car someting special. One thing I really like about Fiero people is how much of the work they do themselves. There's nothing more annoying to me then, while at a show, to ask someone about something on their car and have them say "I dunno, I bought it this way". I prefer the company of the "Busted Knuckle Brotherhood" .

Keep up the great ideas,



Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #107, 02-10-2003 05:43 PM
      Two words: Holy Crap!

This encourages me to finish my "History of how I replaced the logo thingy on the front nose of my car" (which is about the only thing I can do myself).


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #108, 02-10-2003 09:15 PM
      Hello again. It was pointed out in post that I did leave out a mod that was done during the time I had the fenders off to do the vented front fenders. I actually forgot about it. Lol. (BTW, I noticed another mod in this picture. I added air horns to the car. It adds the sports car sound and increases safety since it is so loud)

Here is the car before the antenna removal
.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #109, 02-10-2003 09:16 PM
      While having the front fenders off, I decided to get rid of the antenna. That is a piece that takes away from the clean lines of the GT. I looked into all the possibilities of other types of antennas. I decided to just mount the stock antenna under the fender. TooManyFieros said that the antenna would not work as well and challenged me. Vonnie’s GT was parked beside mine and both cars had the exact same radio. He said to watch this and he adjusted my car to a radio station that it could hardly receive. Then he went to Vonnies car and tried to tune in the same radio station. I could hardly keep from laughing when he could not tune in that station in Vonnies car with the antenna in the proper position. Just to be on the safe side I added a second antenna on the drivers’ side. That way I could have an antenna that was even stronger. I used the fender well clip to lock the antennas into position so there would be no rattling. I just used a piece of scrap urethane to bond to the bottom on the fender to cover the underside of the hole and the urethane repair kit on the top side. Presto no more ugly antenna.

Here are the cleaner body lines without the antenna.

And my story continues. I am going skiing in Vermont both this weekend and next weekend so I am not sure how much more I will get done. I will work on the story if time allows.




Leper MSG #110, 02-10-2003 09:46 PM
      You forgot the end bracket for that last pic.


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Kameo Kid MSG #111, 02-10-2003 09:51 PM
      That is some of the finest work I've seen done to a Fiero
I haven't had the chance to see your Fiero in person but can hardly wait.. and truely enjoy reading the build up of this fine car.!



87GTBro (dcampbell@rgv.rr.com) MSG #112, 02-10-2003 10:24 PM
      Speechless...

I think that explains why everyone is so quiet. When someone important speaks, everybody listens... We might miss something if we interupt.

Words cannot express the quality of your work!!

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #113, 02-10-2003 10:26 PM
      WOW ski...you've got Cliff's praise...now your set!

i said it once...I said it again...I'll say it another time

I'm in AWE!



grinthock MSG #114, 02-11-2003 12:23 AM
      Ski;

I remember the gleam in your eye when I was there over a year ago and you showed me what was under the cover (3800sc) and i've watched you through this whole process via photo's and when we have chatted. You've kept me goin and the rest of us because we all know that it CAN be acheived.

If I had a million dollars tommorow i'd buy that ride, it's my favorite fiero. I just love how you make everything "stock looking" if only GM had built it that way.

What an acomplishment. Thanks for doing it, for you, for me, for all of us.

My V8 car is going to be gone this week, my finances didn't allow me to finish that project. But it will happen, one day. I drove my V8 fiero for almost 6 months, and it was great.

Now, something new, unveiled this week.


jelly2m8 (acook1@bwr.eastlink.ca) MSG #115, 02-11-2003 12:30 AM
      excellent writeup Ski!


This kinda looks like your car the day before carlisle when we started adjusting the hood......


Jefrysuko MSG #116, 02-11-2003 12:33 AM
      I never knew just how quickly you built that car. I guess I never really thought that someone could do all the wonderful things you have done in such percise detail in only a few years. It has been great seeing all your progress over that time here on the forum and is nice to now be able to fill in all the details.

I actually have a question now for you. I have heard a few concerns about the 3800SC being used with a manual transmission. From what I understand that motor never came with a manual trans. First of all how did you overcome the computer issues? I have heard that some just wire it up as if it is in Drive all the time. Also there has been some debate about the crank bearing design and if it would support the load supplied from the action of dissengaging the clutch without adverse effects. If you looked into this I would like to know your thoughts.

As you can imagine, I am considering this conversion also and am just looking into everything to make an informed decission.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #117, 02-11-2003 10:19 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Jefrysuko:

I never knew just how quickly you built that car. I guess I never really thought that someone could do all the wonderful things you have done in such precise detail in only a few years. It has been great seeing all your progress over that time here on the forum and is nice to now be able to fill in all the details.

I actually have a question now for you. I have heard a few concerns about the 3800SC being used with a manual transmission. From what I understand that motor never came with a manual trans. First of all how did you overcome the computer issues? I have heard that some just wire it up as if it is in Drive all the time. Also there has been some debate about the crank bearing design and if it would support the load supplied from the action of disengaging the clutch without adverse effects. If you looked into this I would like to know your thoughts.

As you can imagine, I am considering this conversion also and am just looking into everything to make an informed decision.

This is the first I have ever heard of "a few concerns about the 3800SC being used with a manual transmission". I would not believe any of it. Now I only have about 3000 miles on the engine so I certainly cannot offer mine as proof. GM has used this engine with a manual transmission in the Camaro/Firebird lines so I am sure it is OK.
To overcome the computer issue I had a custom built chip, which is the reason for all the work to change to the 95 Bonneville ECM. The chip took care of all the issues that everyone else had with a manual 3800SC. It also allowed me to have a higher rev limit. The 3800 has a rev limit of 5800 if I remember correctly. I have a limit of 6350. The chip tweaked a lot of other things too such as passkey problems. A good friend did this for me at no expense but is not interested in doing it for others. Sorry.



furious_fiero (p_confectioner@hotmail.com) MSG #118, 02-11-2003 02:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Two words: Holy Crap!

This encourages me to finish my "History of how I replaced the logo thingy on the front nose of my car" (which is about the only thing I can do myself).

I dont even think I can do that myself



furious_fiero (p_confectioner@hotmail.com) MSG #119, 02-11-2003 02:37 PM
      Hey Skitime...have you ever taken your Fiero to the track? do you know the 1/4 times for it? 0-60mph? it just looks fast sitting there!

Kelvin Vivian (no_18@yahoo.com) MSG #120, 02-11-2003 03:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kameo Kid:

That is some of the finest work I've seen done to a Fiero
I haven't had the chance to see your Fiero in person but can hardly wait.. and truely enjoy reading the build up of this fine car.!

Nice write up skitime. I love how all your mods look "factory", that's when you know it's done right.

Kameo, you should do a write up listing all the mods on your beautiful car.

kv



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #121, 02-11-2003 07:52 PM
      OK let me continue with my story. Another modification I did was adding lighting to the engine. I know this is not a performance item but Vonnie and I enjoy going to a lot of cruise-ins all summer. (It does create a shadow free engine trouble light) Many cars have lights to show off their car and I wanted to bring more attention to mine. We find these lights are like a candle to a moth in attracting people over to the car. I had learned about cold cathode tubes from another yet unfinished Fiero modification. (Keeping it under my hat for now). I decided to use this lighting system for the engine. The tubes use low 12-volt power draw and were designed for lighting laptops screens and image scanners. I did not want the lights to be intrusive or very visible when not being used. I experimented with placing lights in a lot of different locations. One of the problems was the light could be visible while driving at night and being seen through the rear view window. I finally decided to recess the lights into the trunk lid itself. I had to make all the pieces for the light fixture including the rear reflectors and lens. It was perfect and the lighting effect is awesome. The only way I can describe it was looking at a engine in an aquarium. This effect is nearly impossible to photograph. The flash will kill the effect but no flash fools the camera. So just believe me it is much better than the pictures can show.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #122, 02-11-2003 07:53 PM
      Yet another modification is adding a Sunbird Turbo tachometer to my car. Since I now have an engine that creates boost, I wanted to be able to watch the amount of boost I have. I really do not like to see a lot of extra gauges that do not appear stock so this mod is a natural. The other thing I liked about it was it closely matched my actual redline for my engine which is 6350rpm. This mod involves modifying the tach electronically from a 4-cylinder tach to a 6-cylinder tach. TooManyFieros did that modification with me helping a little. You also have to modify the instrument cluster housing to get it to fit in the housing.

Ok I think that does cover all the modifications I had prior to the 2002 show season. We were anxiously waiting our second season to show our cars and reacquaint ourselves with all the new friends we got to know.

Let me post this while I work on the next section. Thanks for the comments. I really appreciate them. It still is a amazing ratios of viewer versus posters. Hmmmm



FieroMGDriver (mgdickey@gmail.com) MSG #123, 02-11-2003 08:42 PM
      Its obvious that you devote a huge amount of time to the small details on your car, and everything looks perfect, but what about on the guage where it says "Turbo"? Isn't that bothering you, or are you planning on changing that? I can just imagine you have someone working on a new overlay for that guage!

hallsman (ryanhallstrom@yahoo.com) MSG #124, 02-11-2003 08:48 PM
      Well, technically, a supercharger is actually just a belt driven turbocharger. So it's all good.

I'm liking the car, Skitime. It's nice to see how much work actually went into making it into a special car.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #125, 02-11-2003 08:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroMGDriver:

Its obvious that you devote a huge amount of time to the small details on your car, and everything looks perfect, but what about on the guage where it says "Turbo"? Isn't that bothering you, or are you planning on changing that? I can just imagine you have someone working on a new overlay for that guage!

Yes that bugged the hell out of me. I tried a lot of things to black it out. I could cover it but it messed up the night lighting so I left it alone in the end.



KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #126, 02-11-2003 09:11 PM
      what shows will you attend this year? Will you be at Fierorama or Auburn?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #127, 02-11-2003 09:31 PM
      What a difference a year made to Vonnie and I. At the beginning of the first season (2001), we did not know any Fiero people except my online Pennocks acquaintances. I learned so much from them. We were amazed during that first season, how many really great folks we got to know through the Fiero shows. Somehow I was also getting to be known on the forum. We decided to take a short vacation in our motor home to Nova Scotia. Prior to the trip, I announce in a Pennocks thread that “Skitime was traveling through New England and Nova Scotia” and received several very nice invitations. One invite was to stay with Jelly2M8 and his girlfriend Blackie2M8 in Nova Scotia. We spent several days with them and had a great time visiting and even driving their Fieros in Nova Scotia.

Here is a shot of Jelly’s place of business. He runs a Fiero repair shop and sometimes works on common cars too for a living. Few people know as much about Fieros as Jelly.

They let us drive one of their three Fiero to a local car show. They even won several trophies with them. It was cool to be driving in a Fiero convoy in Canada. Here are their three Fieros.

We invited them to come and visit us. They decided to visit us during the next Carlisle Fiero show. Another person I knew through the forum was AusFiero. He mentioned in the Fiero Chat room that he was planning to come to the US and be at the Carlisle Fiero show. I invited him to come and stay with us for the 2002 Carlisle show. So Vonnie and I were very busy trying to get two cars ready for the Carlisle show and were now expecting 3 houseguests. We were very excited with this news.

The days leading up to the show were hectic detailing the cars and getting them ready. Our Canadian guests arrived early and we had a great day preparing our two GTs and Blackie2M8’s Notchback. Here is Blackie’s sweet Fiero.

As I mentioned earlier in this tread, I have a good painter but seems to always put me in a risky position of not getting done in time. My first year at Carlisle I received the last body piece two days prior to the show. The second season leading up to Carlisle the painter repeated the situation of only getting done when pressured. My whole engine swap and new body mods were planned to be done in plenty of time for Carlisle. The engine was done and I was again waiting for the body panels. I received the body parts days prior to the show again. The day before the show I decided my new body panels were not aligned right so Jelly and I started removing them all including my rocker panels. With his help we were able to improve the fit. While we were finishing up, AusFiero arrived via another Pennocks friend of mine, Kemp, who drove him from DC to PA and had to turn around and drive home after dropping Aus off.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #128, 02-11-2003 09:32 PM
      Friday morning we loaded up our motorhome and loaded the GT on the trailer. (No it is not a trailer queen, we needed a place to stay while being at Carlisle. Here is left to right Aus, Jelly and myself ready to depart.

Our guests, Vonnie and I arrived a Carlisle on Friday and immediately went about preparing for the show the next day. Saturday morning was a cold cloudy day and was threatening rain at any moment. We proceeded to start prepping our cars despite frozen hands. I tend not to clean a car well enough so thankfully Vonnie assisted me getting the car detailed Saturday morning as well as her own 88 GT.

I was now in new territory since the previous year I had shown in Custom GT classes and now I was going to be in the Modified GT class because of the engine swap. I was really worried. Remember the previous year I was unable to place at the Carlisle show. I also had some awesome cars in my class, which had won the class in previous years. These were cars that I was in awe over. I had even used pictures of these cars to study to see the how high a standard I had to attain. Well as the morning wore on I was very pleased by all the attention my car was getting.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #129, 02-11-2003 09:33 PM
      I could hardly walk away because of all the questions I was being bombarded with. A path was actually getting worn into the grass around my car. Now if you know me there is nothing I like better than to talk about my car so I was having a great time. Before I knew it was approaching the awards ceremony. Vonnie had to pull me away and drag me over to the tent where awards are given.

As awards were given out we were thrilled when Vonnie’s 88 GT won first place in the large “Stock 88 GT” class. Then Blackie2M6 and Jelly2M8 won first place for the “High Mileage Notchback” class as well as the “Long Distance” award I believe. With knots in my stomach they finally got to my class. Third place was announced, then second place and the suspense was killing me. Finally first placed was announce and I was floored to receive the first place trophy. If those that were there looked close, they would have easily seen tears in my eyes. I just could not believe it was actually true. After the class awards were given out they had additional trophies for different categories. I was then given the “Best Engine Conversion” trophy and then a trophy that was probably dearest for me, the “Best Engineered” Trophy. Wow, what a day! Good friends and great cars.

Btw everybody got a picture of Vonnies car on their trophies. An extra bonus.

The next day the Gilberts had a graduation/Fiero party at their house for Jennifer (Fierochic88). We had a great time and took some great pictures of some awesome cars. We had many of the Carlisle show winners there. Here is a pic of some of the winners cars that were there. They were all first place winners.

Well it is getting late so I must stop. Thanks everyone for you nice comments. I will continue as time allows.



DanFiero (dtmoffatt@msn.com) MSG #130, 02-11-2003 11:03 PM
      All I can say Ski is that I'm in awe!!!!! Being a newbie myself and am currently planning(dreaming more like it) many mods to make I can only hope to even come close the the job you've done.

Congrats and I look forward to someday meeting you and seeing the car in person!!

Dan



Formula88 MSG #131, 02-11-2003 11:17 PM
      Of all the impressive awards, Best Engineered is the one that wows me the most. You did a fabulous job. I like to keep what I call "OEM Believability" when modding my car. You've taken that philosophy to a whole other level!

Borgio (jacob.ely@student.oc.edu) MSG #132, 02-12-2003 01:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Yes that bugged the hell out of me. I tried a lot of things to black it out. I could cover it but it messed up the night lighting so I left it alone in the end.

It looks as if you are just going to have to turbocharge it like X was gonna do to his 3800SC. That's the only logical solution I can see.

Woody (ejwoods@gmail.com) MSG #133, 02-12-2003 07:07 AM
     



TennT (talgrav@usit.net) MSG #134, 02-12-2003 07:25 AM
      What type of trunk vent did you install, Ski?
It looks like one practical piece of mod really worth looking at.
TG


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #135, 02-12-2003 02:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:

what shows will you attend this year? Will you be at Fierorama or Auburn?

Carlisle, GM show at Carlisle, 20th, Dutch Classic and maybe the Aurburn show. I was able to attend the Fierorama last year due to a bad knee but they hold that show 1 week too late for everyone in education to attend.



Formula88 MSG #136, 02-12-2003 04:35 PM
      What, not Daytona?

grinthock MSG #137, 02-12-2003 09:55 PM
      I'm so in AWE... Ski I think what you do for us is give everyone something to shoot for, you show us that it's all possible, with thought and planning you CAN have the ultimate fiero.

You have put thought, percision and engineering into that project, it's so impressive.

I WANT IT... I really do.... Would you consider being paied say hmmmm 50K to build one? (J/K but if I had the coin i'd do it!)


it's just so great... Can't say it enough.

Not to mention, you are one of the nicest fiero people i've ever dealt with.



revin MSG #138, 02-13-2003 10:40 AM
     

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #139, 02-13-2003 11:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Maybe if you actually ANSWERED people's questions rather than BS'ing around them or at LEAST more that a one word answers,you might have more posters !

Nice car I will give you that! but your people skills NEED improving ! If you are NOT going to say "How something was done" then just SAY you don't want to tell!

In fact JUST POST PICTURES ! I get better answers for the questions I have from them!!!

Revin, I am a little shocked by your comment. If I could block you from viewing and benifiting from my pictures I would. I have answered your questions for months. Do you really expect me to explain things like how I did my wiring step by step? I am a excellent technology teacher with 27 years of experience. My people skill are served me well but even I have trouble getting through to mentally challenged students. So from what I can understand by your statement of lack of understanding of my replies is that you can only comprehend from looking at pictures. An engine swap requires a good understanding of mechanics and engines. My advise to you is take your car to someone that knows what they are doing. Engine swaps are not for beginners without skills to fall back on. I am done and please don't bother me anymore.

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Songman MSG #140, 02-13-2003 12:13 PM
      I must admit to being a little shocked too. Dave (skitime) has never been anything less than pleasant and helpful to anyone that I have ever seen him interact with. And I think his response to the attack was right on as well. Sorry Dave. When you get in the limelight for whatever reason, you will always find someone you can't please..

revin MSG #141, 02-13-2003 12:18 PM
     

[This message has been edited by revin (edited 11-04-2004).]

solotwo MSG #142, 02-13-2003 12:21 PM
      Wow I am amazed. Fantastic. Your engineering is first class. Great Story. I pm'd you.

solotwo MSG #143, 02-13-2003 12:29 PM
      Hey skitime will you autograph the rack? It would make my 88 worth something!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #144, 02-13-2003 12:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Since we all know that the org. dogbone on a 3800 IS ON THE WRONG SIDE for our install. (like at the back and left side) and to put it where the org. DB is on the fiero...THE "holes it is designed for" is a wrong answer! Your answer tells me NOTHING !! Do you get it NOW???

I said I was done but since you gave me a perfect example of your lack of knowledge. I will indulge once more. Your statement "You said since we all know" shows what you don't know. Most experienced mechanics know that the left and right heads are identical so the same bolt holes for the dogbone are found on both heads. Duh! You can bolt the dogbone mount on either head.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-13-2003).]

Songman MSG #145, 02-13-2003 12:40 PM
      I have a question, Skitime... and please answer this one and don't bullshit around it...

Where in the Pennock's guidelines does it say that you HAVE to hold someone's hand while telling them how to do a mod? Or even that you HAVE to tell anyone how you did something?

There are a lot of 'tricks of the trade' that people just will not share. I, along with most people here, do appreaciate what you have shared with us. You inspire us all to make our cars better... except for my CJB T-top which I will leave stock!

Hartz (hartzfeld@comcast.net) MSG #146, 02-13-2003 12:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

You write this LONG history thing yet less than a sentance for an answer to my questions? Am I missing something?

I will say again.....Nice car, DUMB ASS owner!!!

Yeah, geez, I have NO IDEA why Dave wouldn't bend over backwards to help you...

Are you missing something? Yes. Politeness, respect, patience, etc.

Hartz

grinthock MSG #147, 02-13-2003 12:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:


Maybe if you actually ANSWERED people's questions rather than BS'ing around them or at LEAST more that a one word answers,you might have more posters !

Nice car I will give you that! but your people skills NEED improving ! If you are NOT going to say "How something was done" then just SAY you don't want to tell!

In fact JUST POST PICTURES ! I get better answers for the questions I have from them!!!


OMG Where do you get off shooting your mouth off at that? I don't care who you are or what you know, but I SAW and EXPERIENCED the build of that car through conversation, pictures, discussions, and I SAW IT, both before and after.

I'm glad we have this rating system now, gives us a method to fight back....

Hmm Fiero guy of the year... Hmmm hard choice now, Dave or Cliff? Hmmmmmmm

MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #148, 02-13-2003 01:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

I will say again.....Nice car, DUMB ASS owner!!!

Whoa Revin- that is way out of line!

Instead of taking the "insulting route" (which generally gets you nowhere in the end), I would've suggested kindly repeating your question (through PM or email if necessary) and simply trying to clarify your thoughts... and why the statement doesn't make sense. Eventually you would've gotten the clear answer you were looking for.

But your comments here are just simply way out of line and rather insulting. Anyone who has ever met Dave knows that he is a great guy... as a matter of fact, there are few people I'd rather sit around and talk Fieros (or things in general) with than Dave.

Red86SEautox MSG #149, 02-13-2003 01:25 PM
      Well, I was really enjoying this post...but like all the good ones, someone just has to spoil it! Revin, you were way outta line. Why do you have to go and ruin a good thread. If you can't say any thing positive, just don't say any thing at all! Dave, your car is great ! Thank you for all the insite into making a fantastic vehical! Please don't let this change your mind about posting more info on the mods and work. I look forward to seeing it again at Carlise!

litespd MSG #150, 02-13-2003 02:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

I will say again.....Nice car, DUMB ASS owner!!!

Hmmm...Ski's car is together and running. He spent a lot of time looking at things, and figuring out how to do it...or do it better. Yours isn't, because you can't look at what you have, and figure out how to do it.

Now, who's the dumb ass?

Revin, I don't know you or Skitime, other than from what I've read here on the forum. But I've always had a good impression of both of you. Now, I have to question my original impression of you. Rather than blasting Ski here on the forum, you should have taken it to PM or email...or asked someone else that's completed the swap how THEY did it. To come out and abuse Ski like that was uncalled for...and very low class.



lowfierogt (lowfierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #151, 02-13-2003 02:33 PM
      Revin,

My turn.... I have been working with Ski for months on my 3800 swap and have not had a problem with him at all. He treats me the same as anyone else and gives me the details to get the job done. I'm Even thinking about making some parts for people that have less skills then I. Ski has done a very good job on his swap and I bet he gets tons of e-mails daily on how do I ???. Its not that hard to do what he did,, you just need to grow up and learn on your own.



Haagster MSG #152, 02-13-2003 04:41 PM
      ...

[This message has been edited by Haagster (edited 02-14-2003).]

Songman MSG #153, 02-13-2003 05:13 PM
      I guess that is one way to try to get your ratings bar to show up...

soup (jamie@kembel.ca) MSG #154, 02-13-2003 07:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:
I will say again.....Nice car, DUMB ASS owner!!!

Wow man.. the really sad thing is he ACTUALLY DID ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!

Just because he didn't go into detail, you bash him? That's completely juvenile. People say us teenagers don't have any respect... wow!

A simple, "Hey Ski, I am not completely familiar with the dogbone mounting, can you clarify a little." Would have been MUCH better. Nice rating bar.



Smoooooth GT MSG #155, 02-13-2003 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

I guess that is one way to try to get your ratings bar to show up...

Well..
This is not what the rating system is for... It is not for when someone say's something to someone else, EVERYBODY RATES THEM A NEGATIVE!! It is to get rid of troll's, etc.
I know for a fact that Revin has been trying to get some of the basic information from Skitime and have been getting answer's like the one about the 'dogbone'.. Yes, Revin overlooked the fact about that you could switch it, but It also was'nt pointed out to him by Ski either, and we all could see that Revin was overloooking it.
People make mistake's.... He has been trying to ask Ski several thing's and getting one word type of answer's. Revin's called me several time's on the phone and have told me what was going on... Revin was WRONG for going to the syep of name calling, but he is really frustrated and was trying to get a STRAIGHT answer...
Folk's please don't make this into a Revin VS. Skitime thing...
Like I said above.... People lose it somerime's and make mistake's... Now Revin does have a rating bar with the majority of them being NEGATIVE... Does he deserve one just because he got frustrated?? Has Revin ever helped anyone on here?? Yes, Revin was wrong and should have went to email or PM.

But, Does he really deserve a Negative because of this one thing...Even though he has done so much good here on PFF????
Just think about it please!



jelly2m8 (acook1@bwr.eastlink.ca) MSG #156, 02-13-2003 08:03 PM
      Dave, both Lori and I have really enjoyed your tread on the history and buildup of your car. It is even more impressive in real life than any pictures or description can show.

I really enjoyed following your projects all through last winter, and helping out where I could.

Both Lori and I feel that we have found life long friends with you and Vonnie, and your family and friends.
Who would of thought that a simple reply to your topic a year and a half ago would reward such huge benefits of finding new friends who we could relate with and enjoy being around. ( I registered on PFF to reply to your Vacation to Nova Scotia tread).

This is why we had decided to attend Carlisle 2003 instead of the 20th show.

When we travel to PA again in May, we know that we will be able to view many fine Fiero's, but even more, we are looking forward to spending more time with you guys and the Gilberts, Lambert's, and Schlag's, etc.


Don't let Revin's comments get you down, everybody knows what a class act you are, and the lengths you have gone through to help members of the forum.

It is impossible to explain in every little detail each and every point of a swap or mod, because every swap/mod is different to a certain degree.

I wonder if these people actually relise how many little details need to be addressed in a swap such as yours.

Not only that, after you give every last detail, and someone copies it, they will find something wrong with your directions or claim they have a better solution.

Your car has several custom parts that would be impossible to nail down in a description, due to the tinkering and adjustments here and there.
I know, I build one off custom parts for Fiero's just about each week, and there's no way a person can say, " just do this and that and your golden" it doesn't happen.


I along with 99.9% of the people on this forum, appreciate the history lesson, and I am still amazed at the dedication you have to making your car the way in which you want it.

Take care my friend,

Anthony




Jake_Dragon MSG #157, 02-13-2003 08:15 PM
      This is a great thread, please everyone edit your posts and lets keep this thread on target. revin I would be happy to give you a + just take that step.



TM_Fiero MSG #158, 02-13-2003 08:22 PM
      Thanks for sharing your build up with us. Your Fiero is truly awsome. I can't wait to see it at Carlisle.

BTW, I've been one of the lurkers checking in on the thread, just amazed of how nice of a job you did and I didn't have anything of value to add.

2.8-4spd (forreste01@hotmail.com) MSG #159, 02-13-2003 09:07 PM
      Hello Skitime, have a few question for you. On page two you are talking about how you "recessed the bonding surface" How far did you take the surface down? The thickness of the scoop? How did you get such a straight cut, did you use a router? thnks for your help.

Songman MSG #160, 02-13-2003 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Smoooooth GT:

Well..
This is not what the rating system is for... It is not for when someone say's something to someone else, EVERYBODY RATES THEM A NEGATIVE!! It is to get rid of troll's, etc.
I know for a fact that Revin has been trying to get some of the basic information from Skitime and have been getting answer's like the one about the 'dogbone'.. Yes, Revin overlooked the fact about that you could switch it, but It also was'nt pointed out to him by Ski either, and we all could see that Revin was overloooking it.
People make mistake's.... He has been trying to ask Ski several thing's and getting one word type of answer's. Revin's called me several time's on the phone and have told me what was going on... Revin was WRONG for going to the syep of name calling, but he is really frustrated and was trying to get a STRAIGHT answer...
Folk's please don't make this into a Revin VS. Skitime thing...
Like I said above.... People lose it somerime's and make mistake's... Now Revin does have a rating bar with the majority of them being NEGATIVE... Does he deserve one just because he got frustrated?? Has Revin ever helped anyone on here?? Yes, Revin was wrong and should have went to email or PM.

But, Does he really deserve a Negative because of this one thing...Even though he has done so much good here on PFF????
Just think about it please!

Smoooth, as I stated in my response before the one you quoted, My problem in this is that Revin acts like dave OWES him a response. Obviously, Dave has answered the questions many times. Maybe Revin should have gone out and looked at his motor to see how the answer applied. It apparently was obvious to other people.

Dave did try to help him. Dave wasn't rude even after Revin attacked him. But Revin kept coming back and that is what pi$$ed everyone off.

True, he doesn't deserve to be kicked off the forum, but a nice apology would do a lot toward making people think better of him now.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #161, 02-13-2003 09:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2.8-4spd:

Hello Skitime, have a few question for you. On page two you are talking about how you "recessed the bonding surface" How far did you take the surface down? The thickness of the scoop? How did you get such a straight cut, did you use a router? thnks for your help.

Good question. I did not know how to do that either. I knew it would do a better job if I could. So yes I first tried a wood router. It soon became apparent that all I would do was succeed in burning up the bit. So I looked around at what I had and spied the circular saw. I adjusted the depth platform to about 1/4 inch. It worked great but the dust was unbelievable. I had to hold the blade constantly at the right depth to prevent cutting through. Not the easiest thing to do. I just followed my pencil lines and hand held it. My garage looked like a cement factory exploded after I was done. It took days to clean up the mess. (Note to self-Next time do that outdoors.)



NotOldEnough MSG #162, 02-13-2003 09:37 PM
      Ski,
As my first post (I'm a big time lurker) I think your car is stunning, I wish mine was like it. I hope this thread goes back to the discussion about the development of your car!! I missed the response about the additional vent/louvers on the Trunk/rear hood. Where did you get something that matches the stock ones so well?


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #163, 02-13-2003 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotOldEnough:

Ski,
As my first post (I'm a big time lurker) I think your car is stunning, I wish mine was like it. I hope this thread goes back to the discussion about the development of your car!! I missed the response about the additional vent/louvers on the Trunk/rear hood. Where did you get something that matches the stock ones so well?

It was mentioned in the thread. I was only going to use them if it looked stock. The only way I knew to do that was to use the stock grills from the GT. It took two sets of grills to get them to be just right. I just cut piece of grills to create it.

Oh and let me be the first to welcome you among the thread posters and thanks for the compliment.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-13-2003).]

FieroGTChile87 (fierogtchile@hotmail.com) MSG #164, 02-13-2003 11:00 PM
      Didn't you also do something with the "Pontiac" in your tailights? I thought I remembered that certain letters would light up at a certain time in sequence.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #165, 02-13-2003 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTChile87:

Didn't you also do something with the "Pontiac" in your tailights? I thought I remembered that certain letters would light up at a certain time in sequence.

Yes, I still have several mods to go in the story. I am leaving for Vermont for 4 days so The thread will have to wait till I get back. Sorry to hold it up.



Smoooooth GT MSG #166, 02-13-2003 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

True, he doesn't deserve to be kicked off the forum, but a nice apology would do a lot toward making people think better of him now.

I TOTALLY AGREE!! He need's to let this come to an end. I want to get back to the build up of one of the top 5 Fiero's on PFF!!! Thank's again for sharing what you have.
I want also to say that I am on noone's side... I was just posting what I had heard of what was going on... I don't need any bad rating's or 'flames' from this as I was just stating my side....

Smooth!!


fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #167, 02-13-2003 11:56 PM
      Have fun skiing Ski. Maybe we will get this blizzard thing they are talking about which will make it awsome skiing. You driving up yourself or are you taking one of those bus trips?
Matt


Jefrysuko MSG #168, 02-14-2003 12:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTChile87:

Didn't you also do something with the "Pontiac" in your tailights? I thought I remembered that certain letters would light up at a certain time in sequence.

What? Hunh? Your kidding right? How in the heck did he do that? I can't wait to hear about this!



Songman MSG #169, 02-14-2003 12:25 AM
      I didn't know about the PONTIAC light thing either! Can't wait for him to get back!

Like I'm not jealous enough that he has gone skiing!

cardealer (tonybowman_1@yahoo.com) MSG #170, 02-14-2003 09:11 AM
      I will say again.....Nice car, DUMB ASS owner!!!
revin must have been refering this to me as it describes me perfectly.
revin and ski both just got positive ratings from me both by showing their both human. revin gets the positive for realizing that he made a mistake and took the proper steps to try to correct the situation. skitime gets one for not canceling his ski trip and coming to texas and kicking revins a$$!


revin MSG #171, 02-14-2003 11:15 AM
      Ok folks,

I DO realize that I came on WAY TOO STRONG.

I HAVE pm Ski and said my sorries.

I am sorry for the highjack of this thread, and to ALL PFF people on here!

I DO NOT want a war with ANY of you!

Thank you Smooth!

I have been under pressure with this swap.

I understand that I do not talk/write very good, or explain myself well at all and I am sorry for that.
I am a very nice guy,99% of the time, rate me how ever you want.

Ski, PLEASE forgive me and my stupidness.
I thank you for the help you have given me.
If I ever in need of help, I will post,send you a pic. maybe we will both understand each other better that way.

I WILL shut up.

Please continue on with your thread.

VERY sincerly,

Revin Kevin



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #172, 02-14-2003 11:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

Ski, PLEASE forgive me and my stupidness.
I thank you for the help you have given me.
If I ever in need of help, I will post,send you a pic. maybe we will both understand each other better that way.

VERY sincerly,

Revin Kevin

Well done Revin... well done.

Songman MSG #173, 02-14-2003 11:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:

Well done Revin... well done.

Amen!



avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #174, 02-14-2003 12:13 PM
      Nice going Revin.

Haagster MSG #175, 02-14-2003 02:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:
Well done Revin... well done.

There's a deserved rating change...

[This message has been edited by Haagster (edited 02-14-2003).]

LoW_KeY MSG #176, 02-14-2003 05:32 PM
      Just got a quick question about using the fiero alternator Ski, shouldn't run into any problems using this and the 3800 should I?

Noticed the motor I had didn't have it, so instead of shoveling out the extra money I would really appreciate your help, feel free to PM me.

It was interesting seeing all the pics of the setup!



CTFieroGT87 (ct5585@yahoo.com) MSG #177, 02-14-2003 07:01 PM
      Ski (once again), absolutely incredible job!

Revin, good job with the apology!



Smoooooth GT MSG #178, 02-14-2003 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

I understand that I do not talk/write very good, or explain myself well at all and I am sorry for that.

Hhmm.. I think that is a Texas thing... Your welcome... I hated to see you get your A$$ kicked like you were..LOL


AndyLPhoto MSG #179, 02-17-2003 08:54 AM
      Ski,

I've always admired your car, but reading this thread, seeing the detail pics, the whole process, and reading about all the work you put into your car just gives me a whole new appreciation for your work of art.

You truly have a beautiful car, and can be proud of the work that you've put into it. I have neither the money nor the expertise to put into a project like this, but maybe some day I'll be able to buy a Fiero that wouldn't get laughed out of a show. :-)

Looking forward to the rest of your story!

Andy



Hartz (hartzfeld@comcast.net) MSG #180, 02-17-2003 09:22 AM
      The editorial in the latest issue of Car Craft talked about the three things required to make a great car:

1) Time
2) Tools
3) Talent

I think Ski has all three in spades!

A beautiful car owned by a great guy!

Hartz

KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #181, 02-18-2003 12:57 PM
      as Mr. Harvey would say
"and now you know, the REST of the story"


But, he didn't say that, so you need to tell us more.

Do I have to come out there and break you knee to get you to come out to fierorama again?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #182, 02-18-2003 06:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:

as Mr. Harvey would say
"and now you know, the REST of the story"


But, he didn't say that, so you need to tell us more.

Do I have to come out there and break you knee to get you to come out to fierorama again?

No you only have to schedule the show a week earlier.

Just got back from being stuck on the ski trip in Vermont because of the snowstrom. Thanks everyone for the praise of my car. I hope to have time to write more but I leave for another trip to Vermont on Friday so I have to start getting ready for that trip.



stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #183, 02-18-2003 06:56 PM
      I just laid my hands on a decent 87GT SBC unfinished project. Now that it's fresh i'm going to do all those cool things you did to your car...not a direct copy but just use them as Idea's. I believe the 2 most importnat parts of your car must be the Paint color and Rim choice...I mean those chrome rims and ruby red paint really call for a good jaw dropping. Awesome stuff Ski...takes passion, time, and the green stuff do to that...Great work

Steve-O



sdm1964 (sdm1964@yahoo.com) MSG #184, 02-22-2003 02:33 PM
      Bravo, Very beautiful car. Your craftsmanship and attention to detail is to be admired by all. I have been converting an 86SE to a Fastback and have to say that your car is EXACTLY what I am trying to create. I have been working on mine for 3 years now. My job, spouse and military obligations keep me quite busy. I plan on painting mine 2003 Dodge Ram Red. I hope that mine turns out half as good as yours.

A bow to one of the fiero masters.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #185, 02-23-2003 07:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by sdm1964:

Bravo, Very beautiful car. Your craftsmanship and attention to detail is to be admired by all. I have been converting an 86SE to a Fastback and have to say that your car is EXACTLY what I am trying to create. I have been working on mine for 3 years now. My job, spouse and military obligations keep me quite busy. I plan on painting mine 2003 Dodge Ram Red. I hope that mine turns out half as good as yours.

A bow to one of the fiero masters.

Thanks very much and to you too Steve-O. I finally got back from Vermont skiing so perhaps I can add to the tread very soon.



Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #186, 02-23-2003 11:00 PM
      Jeesh. Over the past months, every once in a while I'd log on and see another mod that Ski had done to his car.
And I'd always say "Yeah. That looks cool."
Only because you made it look so easy!
While all the mods you have done are first rate, and have made your car one of the nicest examples anywhere, this thread makes me truly appreciate all the skill, craftsmanship, and hard work that went into its creation. And you even took the time to document it. Everybody always says "I intend to take lots of pics!" But very few do.
Thanks! Two thumbs up.



FieroHarry (fieroharry@yahoo.com) MSG #187, 02-23-2003 11:56 PM
      You did a great job Ski!
I really love the way you did the engine and wiring



Wipe0ut (4.9fiero@gmail.com) MSG #188, 02-24-2003 12:09 AM
      I'm speechless. I didn't know this was the "how to make the perfect car" thread.

I saved all your pictures, zipped them, and uploaded them, in case anybody wants to get all the pictures of your beautiful car in one file.
http://www.teamcaf.org/stuff/skitime.zip



JacobHaley (jhaley1@ameritech.net) MSG #189, 03-13-2003 02:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Yes, I still have several mods to go in the story. I am leaving for Vermont for 4 days so The thread will have to wait till I get back. Sorry to hold it up.

Any chance we can get the rest of the story?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #190, 03-13-2003 03:00 PM
      Well guess what I am leaving for Vermont tomorrow so I will have to wait again. I will finish it.

Caf 85GT MSG #191, 03-13-2003 08:46 PM
      Think I'm going to cry...
and I gave up holding my breath.


sypher1078 (crodrig1@rochester.rr.com) MSG #192, 03-13-2003 09:10 PM
      I reeeeally need to know how you did the engine window. Please? I'm sure there are others out there that love that mod as much as I do. The 360 is my favorite car. Anything that I can do to make my GT a little closer to it is worth the work. Your car is incredible.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #193, 03-20-2003 08:40 PM
      OK, sorry this continuation took so long. I last was talking about doing well at the Carlisle Fiero show. I looked at some pictures from then and see another mod that I did prior to the show. I love going to junkyards looking for stuff to use on my car. That is where I found the hardware for the removable rear window as well as the vents for the front fenders. Well one day I was looking at a large Buick and notice the small dual struts holding up this huge steel hood. This was surprising to me that such small struts could do the job. I removed the struts and hinges and took them home for further development of a prototype. I hate the stock prop rod with a passion. That second stopping latch that catches drives me crazy. BTW,I worked on this after I had finished the hood mods. I was able to adapt these struts to the Fiero but they ended up being too short and weak. I went to AutoZone in search of a longer stronger strut. I took my bathroom scale along to help determine the strength of the struts. I found a likely candidate and bought two of them. I was able to design a mounting system for them and was quiet pleased with the results. You could lift the hood with one finger. I was planning to sell this as kits when I got time so I was keeping the design to myself. Well like many of my designs others worked on my design and one person is now selling the dual strut kits.

Let me say a few things about people that have copied my designs. I usually do not have a problem with someone copying my designs if I am given credit for the idea. If I totally wanted to protect my ideas I would not obviously be writing this thread. What usually happens is someone copies an idea, they come out showing their work and no credit is given. What I find interesting is people that choose to build and sell my ideas seem to always forget where they got the idea. This has happened to me several times lately. I would often just mention something like “Where did I see this idea before” in their thread. Usually they would then offer credit. Now everyone uses ideas from others. For example my spoiler is often called the “Skitime spoiler” here on the forum but I will usually mention that I got my idea from Lawrence since that is only right since he originally came up with the idea. The sharing of ideas is what makes the forum so great. People should just give credit to where credit is due. I had one person that emailed me often asking questions about my 3800SC dogbone/alternator/tensioner mount. I figured I was helping an individual with his Fiero. Suddenly the design was being offered for sale on the forum. I had no idea I was helping someone that wanted to build my design to sell it. That left a pretty bad taste in my mouth for helping others. I hope this doesn’t sound like sour grapes but I felt I needed to state my position on this. I am sure many others like V8Archie, West Coast Fiero can understand what I am saying.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #194, 03-20-2003 08:41 PM
      Let me get back to my car but first I need to talk about my knee since it affected my car. In May of 2002 I had an arthroscopic operation to repair my meniscus. Some might remember me limping around at the Carlisle show. The operation did not fix the problem so in mid July I had a partial knee replacement done with a new procedure called Unispacer. That procedure did not go well either and on December 18th I had a third operation to repair the Unispacer position, which ended up being in the wrong position for 5 months. Well the knee problem prevented me from doing any more major projects. I did a few minor ones. Vonnie and I enjoy getting our cars out to the local cruise-ins to expose the Fiero to the automotive public.

I am often amazed how many people do not recognize my car as a Fiero. I decided that one modification I could do soon after the Unispacer operation while limping around was underbody neons. I know many of you think that is” rice” but at the cruise-ins we have noticed how much more attention cars with the neons have. I added the top of the line Streetglows in red. For the front neon I built a steel bracket to hide the direct view of the light but lets the light shine brightly on the ground and out the nose. The side neons created an interesting problem. The bulbs should not be visible.

The Fiero is nearly perfectly flat from the bottom of the rocker panel to the opposite rocker panel. So how could I mount them with out them being seen? Some tuck the bulbs into a tight crevice right behind the rocker panel. The problem with this is that it creates a sharp cut off of the light instead of a soft glow across the ground. What I came up with worked out great. I bought some 1-½ wide aluminum straps. I remove the fasteners along the bottom of the rocker panel and mounted the long straps painted black along the length of the rocker panel.

This piece does two things. It blocks the view of the bulb and provides a “bumper” to help protect the bulb. Since the strap is black it is almost totally unnoticeable. Most people never see it unless I point it out and even then they always go over to see it close up. The side bulbs are mounted about 5 inches from the rocker panel. The rear bulb was easily mounted between the trunk compartment and the rear bumper skin.

Sorry I have had a real hard time getting good pictures of the car with the neon lights on.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #195, 03-20-2003 08:42 PM
      Another modification I did for the cruise-in crowd was to add some strobe lights. I added strobe lights to the PONTIAC lights in the back of the GT. I used two strobe light sets designed for headlights. I added one strobe light to each of the four light bulb reflectors housing. I put the strobes in alternating between the two sets. This allows the lights to flash in alternating pairs and I can separately control the speed of each set. The result is quiet captivating and helps bring people over to the car. These pictures do not really give the effect but you can get the idea. They are really bright and hypnotizing to watch.



The next modifications I felt I could do with the bad knee was to the interior. Up to this point the interior was bone stock. I really love the way the beechwood interior looks with the factory bright red body. I always wanted the factory lumbar seat. I was lucky to find a set of 88 Beechwood seats with the lumbar option on Ebay and won the auction. I decided to put Mr. Mike leather seat skins on them. I contacted Mr. Mike and decided to get the custom made Sport model. This seat skin looks like the Italian model but has different stitching. That would allow the inflatable side bolsters to match the shape of the leather bolsters stitching. I also wanted to bring a touch of red into the interior without being overdone so I had red piping added to the seats. I ordered extra red piping to allow me to further add some more red touches. I really do not like overdone interiors and remember I like my car to look like it could have been done by the factory. I added the red piping around the door latch panels and the outside dash vents. The seats and trim came out great. I really liked the look that resulted.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #196, 03-20-2003 08:46 PM
      By the end of August the seats were in and I was still limping with a cane. The doctor told me I would have to stay off work as a Tech Ed teacher for another two weeks, which meant missing the start of school. I decided that since we had no vacation because of this surgery that Vonnie and I would drive my car from PA to Chicago for the Fierorama show for a mini vacation. I had never driven my car for more than under a 100 miles at a time so I was concerned if my engine and my engineering of the installation would successfully make it the 1200 miles round trip. The car ended being a sweet car on the interstates. It could pass cars in an instant and got 30+ mpgs. We arrived in the Chicago area and proceeded to clean the car at the hotel. We met a lot of new Fiero folks while we were there. Here we are arriving at the show.

The day of the show I could not believe the size of the show. They had 132 Fieros there. I was very disappointed to find out that I was in a huge modified class of 25 cars and they did not break up the class into notchback and fastback or V8 and V6s. There were 12 V8 cars alone which included Chris Moores’ Northstar V8 convertible, the Stinger and Tina awesome V8 T-top and many others.

V8 row. This is ½ the Fieros in my class.

And the rest of my class.

I told Vonnie there was no way I would have a chance against the V8 cars. The day ended up going very fast. I was stuck as usual showing people my car. I was hardly able to walk around and see everyone’s cars. Soon it was time to gather for awards. When they got to my class the butterflies were tearing me up. Well the third place went to the Stinger, second went to Chris Moore, I figured the Tina V8 was next. I was then stunned when they called my name next. I was really in shock. I did not think it was possible to beat the V8 cars. I was even told I was very close to getting the best of show award. After the shock wore off I was thrilled and it sure made the long drive home a lot easier.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #197, 03-20-2003 08:49 PM
      We planned to stop half way home but we drove straight home from Chicago without stopping and took only 12 hours. God must have wanted us home because after being home for only 10 minutes we got a phone call. The phone call was to let us know that my younger daughter had just been in an accident. She was driving my other 88 GT T-top and another car pulled out in front of her. She had no chance to avoid the collision. The Fiero hit the front end of the other car and continued across the street and then hit a fire hydrant and broke the hydrant off. She luckily had her seatbelt on and only suffered seat belt bruises. The car was totaled and I bought it back from the insurance company and spent weeks dismantling it and selling the parts on Ebay.

I also added a factory DELCO CD changer to a late model Pontiac radio. I love this setup. The lighting on the radio is really cool. The cassette radio looks fairly common and no self-respecting thief would risk stealing a stock cassette radio while trashing your car trying to get it out. The changer plugs into the radio and the radio buttons and display turns into CD changer controls. There are no tale-tale remote controls to tip a thief off that there is a changer anywhere. The radios sound awesome especially with the factory subwoofer I added. I have the CD changer mounted on the front trunk on the left fender. The sound is great and retains the factory look I like.


Another few projects for me to do while recuperating were adding Lawrence’s electronic goodies. I added the sequential turn signals, daytime running lights, and third brake light flasher. He makes great items and I feel they add to the safety of the car.

This brings me nearly to date. We went to several smaller shows during the summer and the car always did well. I had a lot of plans over the winter. To date none of them have been done due to the damn knee. I am getting stronger and will be able to soon get back into the garage. The hood developed a slight crack prior to going to the Fierorama show and I replaced it with the stock hood for the drive out and back. So I have to repair and repaint it. I have some custom headlight covers that actually were all but done never put on the car. I plan to have them on for their debut at Carlisle. I will say that they are different than any other headlight cover, and doubt that anyone has anything like it. My other plan that got held up was building an intercooler and possibly a body mod for the intercooler radiator. I designed a body mod that nobody has done to mount the intercooler radiator. AusFiero even did a Photoshop of the design. (No he won’t show you) I might make the actual intercooler myself with my machining skills. The 3800 supercharged engines mounts the intercooler between the blower and the intake manifold. I would like to start playing with pumping up the horsepower on the engine as well.

My other Fiero things I would like to do in the future. I would like to do a V8 Fiero. Not sure which engines. I have looked at a lot including the Audi V8s. I would like to try something different or something that has been done but is a different or better way. Who knows if I will ever get around to them.

After having the car for a little over two years I am anxious to start my third season with this car. Not sure what will be next but I am sure I will have more to do to it. Well I guess this is the end of the history story. Hope I did not bore you. I am sure I will think of things I forgot and I will add it to the story. Sorry it got so long. If you enjoyed it let me know since it makes the work and typing worthwhile when and if it is appreciated.



litespd MSG #198, 03-20-2003 10:35 PM
      Ski, that was a great story. I know I kept coming back to the thread, to see if you had made any new posts. Thanks for sharing the story of your car with all of us. I've been aware of your car for quite some time, and to get to see how the final (for now) result was attained was fascinating. I hope that you keep making those trips to the junkyard, and coming up with new ideas for your car...it sets a benchmark for many of us to follow!



fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #199, 03-20-2003 10:58 PM
      Wow...... I think I'll print this thread out and read it over and over again. Waiting for you to finish the thread I've read it probably 10 times. It makes me sad to see it end =). You've also made me realise I have a very long way to go and much to learn.
Great job as usual.
Matt


PS: It looks like you have the night rider thing going on here. I like.
 
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Originally posted by skitime:





neverendingproject (alanfraz@hotmail.com) MSG #200, 03-21-2003 07:18 AM
      Ski, great writeup. I've enjoyed all 5 pages. Thank you for taking the time to entertain and educate all of us with your writing.



Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #201, 03-21-2003 10:09 AM
      Ski.... How come you took off the cowl scoop for that last show? Maybe I got the timeline confused, OR was it cause of the long trip perhaps?? At first I wasn't sure, it just looked like it against the flag in the background. But later you posted a pic with the hood open and it was missing... Just curious.



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #202, 03-21-2003 05:09 PM
      Skiitime
I just wanted to say you have done an EXCELENT job on your car, and in a very short time compare to others. I would love to see your car in person one day, I wish you were coming to the Daytona show, I will be there tomorrow.
I am rebuilding a Countach replica and I hope my car comes out at least 1/2 as nice as yours.
Keep up the good work


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #203, 03-21-2003 05:40 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Jncomutt:

Ski.... How come you took off the cowl scoop for that last show? Maybe I got the timeline confused, OR was it cause of the long trip perhaps?? At first I wasn't sure, it just looked like it against the flag in the background. But later you posted a pic with the hood open and it was missing... Just curious.

That was explained in my last section.


Formula88 MSG #204, 03-21-2003 07:07 PM
      Thanks for the write up, Ski! This thread, and Archie's V8 buildup threads are some of the most enjoyable ones I've read. I love seeing how the cars come together, and especially hearing the owner's ideas behind the car. Incredible work!

I still want to do a decklid vent for my Formula (no window, just the vent), but I'll be sure to give you credit for the idea.

Oh, and how about some info on the CD changer? I just put in a Monsoon UP3 from Kru and if I can add a CD changer to it, that would rock. How do you activate the changer? I see AM/FM and Tape Play buttons, but nothing to start playing the from the changer.

Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #205, 03-21-2003 07:23 PM
      Ohh... Sorry Ski. I must have missed that quick line about prior to Fierorama. Sorry to hear, but I'm sure it'll come out better than new.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #206, 03-21-2003 08:01 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Formula88:

Thanks for the write up, Ski! This thread, and Archie's V8 buildup threads are some of the most enjoyable ones I've read. I love seeing how the cars come together, and especially hearing the owner's ideas behind the car. Incredible work!

I still want to do a decklid vent for my Formula (no window, just the vent), but I'll be sure to give you credit for the idea.

Oh, and how about some info on the CD changer? I just put in a Monsoon UP3 from Kru and if I can add a CD changer to it, that would rock. How do you activate the changer? I see AM/FM and Tape Play buttons, but nothing to start playing the from the changer.

Thanks for the compliment. If your radio has a nine pin plug in the center of the back then you are CD ready. The radio does not display the CD stuff until the CD is plugged in. It is a sweet setup and only the 9 pin harness is needed to connect and power the CD changer so install is a cinch.



WMac MSG #207, 03-21-2003 08:25 PM
      Great Post dave, You have been a great insperation to myself as well as a great friend to call on for answers (and an engine window) This thread was a joy reading and now I know I'm not alone in the perfection madness, Its truly Stunning.



Neal (nealharker@hotmail.com) MSG #208, 03-21-2003 08:47 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

Thanks for the compliment. If your radio has a nine pin plug in the center of the back then you are CD ready. The radio does not display the CD stuff until the CD is plugged in. It is a sweet setup and only the 9 pin harness is needed to connect and power the CD changer so install is a cinch.

Ski first off love the car nothing short of a spectacular show/road car

But i got a question on the CD changer. So the delco unit will work with ANY brand changer as long as its a 9 pin plug???
reason im asking is i have an old alpine headunit and changer (read very ugly) and if i could get the delco headunit in place of the alpine and not have to touch the changer id be a pretty happy guy.
So basically do you know if that would work for me?


Formula88 MSG #209, 03-21-2003 08:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Thanks for the compliment. If your radio has a nine pin plug in the center of the back then you are CD ready. The radio does not display the CD stuff until the CD is plugged in. It is a sweet setup and only the 9 pin harness is needed to connect and power the CD changer so install is a cinch.

Thanks! Yeah, I noticed in your pic it displaying the CD changer info. The one unanswered question I have is what button do you push to switch between radio/CD/and tape? I can see you hit "Tape Play" to start playing a tape, and you can hit "AM/FM" to switch back to radio if a tape is playing (without having to eject it). But if you're playing the radio, how do you switch to the CD changer?

I love how the lighting on the unit switches depending on if you're listening to CD or Radio. That's just too cool.

And thanks again for the info. Hope my question doesn't seem too obvious. I'm a bit confused. (It would probably all be pitifully obvious, if I had the changer plugged in)


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #210, 03-21-2003 09:20 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Formula88:

Thanks! Yeah, I noticed in your pic it displaying the CD changer info. The one unanswered question I have is what button do you push to switch between radio/CD/and tape? I can see you hit "Tape Play" to start playing a tape, and you can hit "AM/FM" to switch back to radio if a tape is playing (without having to eject it). But if you're playing the radio, how do you switch to the CD changer?

I love how the lighting on the unit switches depending on if you're listening to CD or Radio. That's just too cool.

And thanks again for the info. Hope my question doesn't seem too obvious. I'm a bit confused. (It would probably all be pitifully obvious, if I had the changer plugged in)

After the CD is connected the following buttons do the functions listed below in CD mode.

TAPE PLAY - Starts CD if no tape is inserted
RECALL - Shows CD track and time in song
SEEK - Moves up and down in songs on CD
1 PREV - Moves down in songs on CD
2 Next - Moves up in songs on CD
3 PROG - Next CD is cartridge
4 RANDOM - Randomly plays songs from all CDs
5 REV - Moves back in currently playing CD song
6 FWD - Moves forward in currently playing CD song

Like I mentioned below this is im my opinion one of the best sounding radios and keeps it stock looking too. These are the same radios available in the current expensive GM cars like the Grand Prix and Bonnevilles. If you have the same radio only the CD model there is a plug in the back to add a cassette player too.


JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #211, 03-21-2003 09:48 PM
      Wow! Took me two days to read this thread, and it was well worth it (Gotta figure out why it takes 20-30 sec to open each page, and 20-30 sec to return, I have broadband). I had some questions, namely, on your supplies. What brand names/vendors on stuff like the urethane repair materials, bonding agents, plastic rivets/trees, etc. All the routine consumables that you keep around. Do you shop on price? (Probably not! ) Being that the car shows you frequent are too far away for me to drive to nowadays, I'll have to be content to view pics. Post more!!!!!!

JazzMan

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #212, 03-21-2003 10:24 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by JazzMan:

Wow! Took me two days to read this thread, and it was well worth it (Gotta figure out why it takes 20-30 sec to open each page, and 20-30 sec to return, I have broadband). I had some questions, namely, on your supplies. What brand names/vendors on stuff like the urethane repair materials, bonding agents, plastic rivets/trees, etc. All the routine consumables that you keep around. Do you shop on price? (Probably not! ) Being that the car shows you frequent are too far away for me to drive to nowadays, I'll have to be content to view pics. Post more!!!!!!

JazzMan

Well the material I use for lots of stuff with the urethane body parts is a product found at professional body work suppliers. I use a brand SEM product number 39508 and it is called RIGID?TPO REPAIR MATERIAL. It is a two part epoxy type material that is designed for flexable panels which is sandable. This stuff is not cheap. I do use it to bond pieces together. The plastic rivets are available at most car parts suppliers. I try to buy what the professionals use. Especially because my painter demands it. Buy your body repair stuff where the pros do and not at Kmart or even Autozones.

More pics? I would think you guys have seen enough. Here is one pic from our ride home from the Fierorama. My pretzel from a rest stop was cold.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 03-21-2003).]

Phil86SE (probichaud@rctvonline.net) MSG #213, 03-21-2003 11:34 PM
      please please please email me on how you made the scoop and the chin spoiler...i love them

at very least the chin spoiler please i really really want to make these parts also...but mod them a bit so they are not a copy of course...i would not ruin your work by making a copy of it...

-Phil



Fierochic88 (jgoss825@gmail.com) MSG #214, 03-24-2003 11:19 AM
      Sorry, Wrong Topic!

[This message has been edited by Fierochic88 (edited 03-24-2003).]

MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #215, 03-24-2003 12:42 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Phil86SE:

please please please email me on how you made the scoop and the chin spoiler...i love them

at very least the chin spoiler please i really really want to make these parts also...but mod them a bit so they are not a copy of course...i would not ruin your work by making a copy of it...

-Phil

Not to intrude on Ski's post at all, but this is the thread that I refer people to who are interested in how a Skitime/Lawrence-style chin spoiler is created. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20030204-2-027606.html

Ski- as always, you're work is immaculate & most impressive, and I can hardly wait to head out east again!

vassago12 (wells.developments@sympatico.ca) MSG #216, 03-24-2003 08:44 PM
      This thread has been like a good book to me, I just can not stop reading it. I am trying to do my homework, yet I find myself continualy distracted by this thread. Your car looks amazing Skitime! Being the owner of a red 88GT myself, your thread is very inspirational to me. Once agin, great post and great car!
Scott



Tweek (ted@my4cats.com) MSG #217, 03-24-2003 10:28 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

Here is one pic from our ride home from the Fierorama. My pretzel from a rest stop was cold.


Ahh, so that's what they mean by clean enought to eat off. That's the funniest thing I have seen in a while.

Good Thread



XRacer Pro (james@tekchip.com) MSG #218, 04-14-2003 02:54 PM
      Awesome...just Awesome!! I'm dumbfounded...speechless...great job!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #219, 04-14-2003 03:05 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by XRacer Pro:

Awesome...just Awesome!! I'm dumbfounded...speechless...great job!

Hey thanks!



jscott1 MSG #220, 04-14-2003 08:31 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:


More pics?



You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too many pics of Skitime's car. Lovely, beautiful, awesome.

Skitime - Do you think it would be possible for you to take a picture from this spot but without the car? Then the rest of us can photoshop our own car in that location and fantisize that our cars are as nice as yours.



canadiangtfiero86 (gtfiero86@msn.com) MSG #221, 04-14-2003 08:51 PM
      In the one pic of rear of car looks like there is no window did u mod it some how so u can take it out!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #222, 04-14-2003 09:02 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by canadiangtfiero86:

In the one pic of rear of car looks like there is no window did u mod it some how so u can take it out!


The removable rear window is covered on page 1 of the thread. Now pay more attention are reread my thead. lol


SDFiero MSG #223, 04-15-2003 12:01 AM
      Your not alone skitime. I missed the pinout change between manual and automatic at the c500 when I did my engine swap also.

Great car and a wonderful thread.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #224, 04-15-2003 10:29 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by jscott1:

You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too many pics of Skitime's car. Lovely, beautiful, awesome.

Skitime - Do you think it would be possible for you to take a picture from this spot but without the car? Then the rest of us can photoshop our own car in that location and fantisize that our cars are as nice as yours.

I will have to try to get a picture without my car there. I was looking at that set of pics and here is one picture I did not post before. Not sure why it seems pretty good.



Kaz (k_okayama@msn.com) MSG #225, 04-16-2003 11:11 AM
      Ski,
Your car looks awsome.
I had a chance to see you car at the fierorama 2002 but I couldn't make it.
but now I'm going to Carlisle next month.
Can't wait to see your car.



Monza76 MSG #226, 04-18-2003 07:54 PM
      Skitime, I love your car, but (sorry I can't help myself) I really don't like the hood. I know it is a vent, however it is venting into a high pressure area. I think it would be more effective, and more in keeping with a mid engine design, if it involved some sort of dropped centre design.

Given your flair for design you should be able to come up with a new variation on the "Warber" style vent like Archie's Stinger uses. I would like to see the hood show the level of originality you have displayed on the rear deck, side vents and front air dam.

As you have said yourself, everything needs to be functional, and I think there is a far more functional way to design a vented hood.

Yours is one of about a half dozen Fieros which have greatly surpassed their humble roots, good work.

BTW, I'd like to discuss photography sometime, I like to learn.

Ira



Tabs31 (damas4960@home.com) MSG #227, 04-18-2003 08:04 PM
      Ski your car the the greatest Fastback I have ever seen. I get goosebumps everytime I see a pic of it.

I just hope one day I could have a pic of our cars together. Come to the GTA Fiero Show!!!!!!!!!



Gridlock (thughes7@telus.net) MSG #228, 04-18-2003 08:09 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Monza76:

Skitime, I love your car, but (sorry I can't help myself) I really don't like the hood. I know it is a vent, however it is venting into a high pressure area. I think it would be more effective, and more in keeping with a mid engine design, if it involved some sort of dropped centre design.

Given your flair for design you should be able to come up with a new variation on the "Warber" style vent like Archie's Stinger uses. I would like to see the hood show the level of originality you have displayed on the rear deck, side vents and front air dam.

As you have said yourself, everything needs to be functional, and I think there is a far more functional way to design a vented hood.

Yours is one of about a half dozen Fieros which have greatly surpassed their humble roots, good work.

BTW, I'd like to discuss photography sometime, I like to learn.

Ira

How origional is it to copy the Warber design? I see he isn't the first to mount a zr2 scoop, but he is the first to mount it that it looks like it belongs on the Fiero. I think that takes a bit more work, and a bit more origionality. Just because you wanted to cut a hole in your hood, doesn't make you an expert on the cooling properties of mid-engined designs, or modifying vehicles to suit personal tastes.

So far in this thread, 3 people have spoke up to say what they don't like about Skitimes work. And so far I have not seen 3 people that can prove they can do it better.

Most have us have appreciated your effort in writing the history of your car. Thank you for taking the time.


jscott1 MSG #229, 04-18-2003 08:10 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:
If you have the same radio only the CD model there is a plug in the back to add a cassette player too.


I have a Cassette/Radio from a '96 Firebird in my 88GT and I would like to add the following note: If you have a cassette in the slot and a changer connected then pressing the tape button twice will invoke the changer.

Also after about '98 the CD/Radio models will also control a CD changer as well as an external cassette.

And there is an adapter you can get to add aux inputs and still have your changer connected, (I have my DVD connected that way) I hope that helps


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #230, 04-18-2003 11:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Monza76:

I know it is a vent, however it is venting into a high pressure area. I think it would be more effective, and more in keeping with a mid engine design, if it involved some sort of dropped centre design.

Ira

Actually the hood design is very efficient at extracting heat. The windshield actually gets warm to the touch from it. I did study the air pressure to see if it would work. The base of the windshield actually is only a weak pressure area not a high pressure area. The air coming out of it during driving is easily felt if you put your hand about the windshield when the t-tops are off. The radiator actually redirects the air upward since it is tilted forward so that puts the pressure on the bottom of the hood while driving.



Monza76 MSG #231, 04-19-2003 10:50 AM
     
 
quote
Skitime wrote: Actually the hood design is very efficient at extracting heat. The windshield actually gets warm to the touch from it. I did study the air pressure to see if it would work. The base of the windshield actually is only a weak pressure area not a high pressure area. The air coming out of it during driving is easily felt if you put your hand about the windshield when the t-tops are off. The radiator actually redirects the air upward since it is tilted forward so that puts the pressure on the bottom of the hood while driving.

Fair enough, the pressure differential is great enough for the vent to work. I guess the old cowl induction hoods only work with fairly upright windshields like the old Camaros, Corvettes and Chevelles had, not enough angle to the Fiero. Sounds like the airflow must be pretty significant, would be great for clearing windshields in my climate

I am very interested in learning more about "basic" custom work, I am not ready for anything complex yet. I am starting with a Dodge Shadow rear spoiler http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/034686.html and a hood vent similar to Archie's Stinger. I would then like to add a centre vent to the rear deck similar to the one you have behind your engine window, however with just a vent. From there I was hoping to add some driving lamps but only if I can come up with an interesting way to mount them in a standard style coupe nose (1985). I doubt if it will ever reach the point where the history of my car will be a 6 page item. (or even one page for that matter)

Thanks
Ira




Monza76 MSG #232, 04-19-2003 11:10 AM
     
 
quote
Gridlock Wrote:How origional is it to copy the Warber design? I see he isn't the first to mount a zr2 scoop, but he is the first to mount it that it looks like it belongs on the Fiero. I think that takes a bit more work, and a bit more origionality. Just because you wanted to cut a hole in your hood, doesn't make you an expert on the cooling properties of mid-engined designs, or modifying vehicles to suit personal tastes.

So far in this thread, 3 people have spoke up to say what they don't like about Skitimes work. And so far I have not seen 3 people that can prove they can do it better.

Most have us have appreciated your effort in writing the history of your car. Thank you for taking the time.

Hey Gridlock, lighten up. I have already said that Skitimes is one of the best Fieros out there, so there was one thing I didn't like, last time I checked I was allowed to express an opinion. Note that my post to Skitime was considerably more positive than this implication that I am no more than a mindless critic.

BTW this is the first time I have had anyone post a personal slur like that. I am sorry that you feel so strongly on this point that you wish to make it personal, please read Skitimes response so that you can have a greater appreciation for how to deal with a difference of opinion in a constructive manner (and as a gentleman).

I would also like to note that I was quite surprized to read that I did not appreciate Skitime's effort, maybe there was some other way I should have expressed myself, I guess "Yours is one of about a half dozen Fieros which have greatly surpassed their humble roots, good work." was far too vague.


Keep up the good work Skitime, I apologize for wasting bandwidth on this response but sometimes we must address an issue.

Ira

[This message has been edited by Monza76 (edited 04-19-2003).]

gt boy (shlumpy2000@yahoo.ca) MSG #233, 04-22-2003 11:43 PM
      holy crap....i just spent over a hour reading this damn post...now i will never be able to wake up on time for work!!

i know it has been said before...but awsome job ski.



fieromadman (j_depies@hotmail.com) MSG #234, 04-23-2003 01:25 AM
      WOW great time on the mods, first time i read this beast, took me 2.5 hours and thats JUST reading what you posted, i cant tell you how many times i found my self drooling, i think you owe me for a new set of eyeballs, their glued to the monitor! Im looking at doing the 3800 SC swap in one of my cars too, i hope mine turns out half as good as yours! Good luck in the future with the shows! Gotta love that Fiero!



Streak (alex@corscadden.net) MSG #235, 05-27-2003 12:19 AM
      ... WOW!

Save for the window over the engine, everything looks like it came that way from the factory. Everything fits so nicely.

Now I wish I had enough money, time and skills to do some of that.

Amazing looking car, awesome writeup.

84se-Stock MSG #236, 05-31-2003 02:29 PM
      What a spectacular piece of work your car is. I was amazed that someone could something so out-of-this-world with a car which stock looks unlike anything else on the road. I got a chuckle when I came across the pictures of Anthony's (Jelly2m8) and Lori's (Blackie2m8) cars and garage...as my friend and I have gone to him already for parts for his fiero and I work for the same company as Lori. It just goes to show that it's a small world.

Anyway...my question to you is have you kept track of the amount of money you have put into your project? I'm interested to know how much this journey has cost you (understanding that you did most of the work yourself).

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #237, 05-31-2003 02:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 84se-Stock:

What a spectacular piece of work your car is. I was amazed that someone could something so out-of-this-world with a car which stock looks unlike anything else on the road. I got a chuckle when I came across the pictures of Anthony's (Jelly2m8) and Lori's (Blackie2m8) cars and garage...as my friend and I have gone to him already for parts for his fiero and I work for the same company as Lori. It just goes to show that it's a small world.

Anyway...my question to you is have you kept track of the amount of money you have put into your project? I'm interested to know how much this journey has cost you (understanding that you did most of the work yourself).

Yes it is a small Fiero world. Actually I did all the work. Only things I sent the car out for was paint (not body work) and the custom exhaust. I never kept track of the cost but it is a lot less than most would believe. I would guess under $10K at this point. Thanks for the compliments.

Guess will add my new signature to this thread.

I am going to have to update this thread soon so there are several new items.



Monza76 MSG #238, 05-31-2003 04:55 PM
      The more I read and think about it the more I realize that the 3.8, even without the supercharger, is probably the best engine for my driving style. The Caddy 4.9 is in second place, a little harder to find where I am and a little more expensive to maintain. The Quad 4 is an emotional favourite, I like the inline four and the high tech head, but it is somewhat more demanding of the driver and does not bolt up to my transmission.

It will be a while before I am financially able to try this but it is definitely on my mind.

Thanks for the inspiration Skitime.

Ira

86gt852m4 MSG #239, 06-12-2003 10:48 PM
      *bump*

Wealth of information...

FieroMonkey (piccolo@cox.net) MSG #240, 06-19-2003 12:54 AM
      Alright Skitime. You have had ample time to work on some new mods to your car. So lets see/hear them. "Inquiring Fiero Junkies" want to know



FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #241, 06-19-2003 11:05 PM
      i vote this one of the best threads i've ever read...bump to maybe keep it alive?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #242, 06-19-2003 11:07 PM
      Hey thanks and now it is 7 pages too. I got to add the headlight covers and the intercooler and supercharger pulleys to the thread.



FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #243, 06-19-2003 11:15 PM
      Well there ya go...theres even more history to the most beautiful car on here

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #244, 06-20-2003 01:03 PM
      OK, I am on my 2003 summer vacation and two shows are already under my belt. I got a rainy morning so I can continue my history tread. I was really rushing to get things done for the Carlisle show. I was lucky enough to take a first place in the Modified GT Class for a second year at Carlisle. I also won my first 1st in the Custom class at the GM Nationals. I must say the competition is getting better and better. Prior to the show I had a flurry of activities going. I was repairing my extraction hood. It had developed a 3” crack near the windshield. I decided to completely redo the bonding surfaces. I had never done a bonding like this so I chalked it up to experience. I had not overlapped the fiberglass enough the first time. I was going to be sure it would not happen again.

I used a dremel tool to remove all the old material. I did this on both sides just to be consistent and hopefully trouble free. It made me sick to have to redo the hood but it needed to be done.

I also was not happy with two body panels. The passenger door panel had some imperfections on it. I never noticed it before until I was waxing it for the first time last summer at the Fierorama.

I was not happy with the rear bumper either. So I decided to remove it also and send it to the painter along with the hood and door panel. Luckily the painter had mixed a lot of paint last year knowing I would be back for more painting. He seemed to know me by now and knows I like to change things. So there was no worry of the paint not matching.

So with a week to go prior to Carlisle my car was missing a hood, rear bumper and passenger door panel. I had the exact same situation the previous two years. My painter seems only to work when there is a hard deadline



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #245, 06-20-2003 01:04 PM
      Now for the new mods this year. I had actually started one mod the previous winter. While working on my new hood last year, I was thinking of filling in the letters PONTIAC on the drivers headlight cover. I just thought that would be different. Well my mind started to get carried away with other ideas for the covers. What if I could just put different lettering on the covers? Hmmm. So off to a U-Pull-It yard and I came home with about 5 sets of headlight covers to do some prototype work. I teach AutoCAD in a high school and had some CNC machining experience. I decided that I could create the drawings of letters and import them to a CNC router. You cannot just use a font to create the drawings for CNC so each letter had to be a separate drawing. I decide to attempt to create FIERO GT in place of the PONTIAC on the cover and to advertise my 3800 supercharged engine I would letter the other headlight as well with 3800SC. After studying the covers I realized that it was going to be real hard to re-letter them since the headlight covers are not flat as they first appeared.

After talking with my buddy with the CNC router we decided that the it would be extremely hard to prevent the router from going all the way through at places. Then we discussed machining all the way through and just refilling it before painting. Seemed like a good idea but what should I fill it with. One material I could fill it with as resin. Problem with that was in was translucent and might affect the painting and color. Then it hit me like the classic light bulb going off in my head. What if I would keep it clear and light it from behind. Cool idea if I say so myself. Well I played around with the idea using a dremmel tool to see what was possible.

I then had to find a good resin material that would be clear. I had a real hard time finding good stuff. I discussed the resin with several others on the forum. (I am always surprised when I think about all the people that know about my “secret project”) The only resin I had around was for fiberglass work but it was slightly amber colored. Well I played around with it any way.

Then I realized the lettering would have to be colored yellow anyway. Any lights on the front of the car needs to be white or yellow according to federal law. So it would not matter if the resin was slightly colored. I used yellow tape to give it a consistent legal color.

Here is the first prototype we did with the CNC. It developed new design problems.

Here is the covers after getting them back from the CNC router. Bridges had to be worked into the CNC machining code so that the centers would not fall out.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #246, 06-20-2003 01:05 PM
     

The sides of the letters were not painted and the resin could possible fall out if pressed hard. So I had to figure out how to overcome these problems. The painter was also concerned with the color interacting with the resin. So more test needed to be done. Luckily the painter was spraying some of my other parts so we could test interactions at the same time. I developed a way to cast all the letters into one piece, which would prevent letters from falling out. Along with the painter, we came up with a paint sequence to make it work. Since the clear had to be painted on the base within 18 hours timing was critical. The plan went like this. He would paint the base red on the covers and inside the letters at the end of his day. I would pick it after work and cast the lettering so it had maximum time to cure. The casting had to be done it two steps. First a shallow casting was done so that I could dremmel tool out the bridging when the resin hardened. Then I would fill my mold entirely so I would get a good bond to the first layer. I would drop the covers off at the painters in the morning and he would spray clear over everything. This was done on different days for each cover. (Sorry I forgot to take pics of some of the steps.) Here is what they looked like after getting them back from the painter and with the yellow tape on the backs.


Well, the next major hurdle was trying to figure out how to light them up. I tried every type of lighting I knew. All incandescent bulbs no matter how small created too much heat. Also the compartment I needed to put them in was about 1/4 inch thick so it had to be a small light to work.

I was starting to think I ran into an insurmountable roadblock. I ran this lighting question past many of my Fiero buddies but to know avail. I was doing Internet searches and stumbled upon cold cathode lights. These were designed for tabletop and hand scanners. They are very bright and are basically miniature neon lights and amazingly are powered by 12V DC. To top it off they are only ¼ inch think. I was thrilled to find them and ordered some to experiment with. At that time they only came in 10 and 4-inch lights. I need two 4 inch ones for each headlight cover.

I played with the 10-inch tubes too and used them in my engine lighting.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #247, 06-20-2003 01:06 PM
     
Before the 2002 Carlisle show I had one headlight cover completed with lighting but did not have time to finish the second one. I was going to then complete them for the 2002 Fierorama show but Vonnie insisted to keep them till the next season so I would have something new. So I just put the pieces away till prior to 2003 Carlisle. Course it was a mad rush to get them done in time for the 2003 Carlisle show. I had a real hard time designing a system to mount the wiring and control boxes with all the moving parts in the headlight assembly.

I also added a pair of adjustable strobe lights into the covers. They work great and really attract attention to the car at shows and cruise-ins. The cold cathodes are wired to the same wire that lights the GT “PONTIAC” lights on the taillights so they come on when you start the car. I also have switches to turn on the lights and strobes separately.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #248, 06-20-2003 01:07 PM
     
Well, it has been a rough winter for me. I was not able to work on the car because of a partial knee replacement until late spring. I figured when I was able to work in the garage again I would concentrate on horsepower. I rolled over some of the money from selling parts off our wrecked 88 GT t-top into this car. I wanted to be one of the first 3800 supercharged Fieros to have an intercooler. I decided on the ZZP intercooler since it was a complete system although it was designed for the Grand Prix GTP.

I was hoping to have it done by the Carlisle show but it did not arrive in time. In preparation of the intercooler I modified my trunk lid. I found it interesting that even though I had done a major modification to my engine compartment prior to Carlisle not even one person noticed it. Actually that pleased me since I knew it must of appeared stock therefore not noticeable. The intercooler is 2 ¼ inches thick so the supercharger would be raised that much and would interfere with the trunk lid so a major modification needed to be done for clearance. So I had to cut a lot of clearance into the trunk support and the trunk hinge. That was a little scary since the trunk lid was already highly modified with the window and engine vent. I redesigned the trunk hinge so it was a 1 ¼ higher than before as well as the trunk lid support. A steel backer plate was installed behind the fiberglass for the new hinge to bolt to just like the factory piece that was cut out. I also had to design gas struts supports since the original torsion bars would no longer work. Amazingly not one person commented about the changes at the Carlisle show. I even told some that something was changed and they could not find it.

I originally was going to design my intercooler radiator like the GM prototype and build it into the wing. I even gathered pieces to design intercooler in the wing. I was worried about cooling when the car was not moving which was an advantage to the front radiator design. The front radiator would allow cooling with the fan even if the car was not moving.

After a lot of thinking and planning, I decided with the window and the trunk engine vent that a third vent would be a bit too much so I went with installing a radiator in the front.

I had to adapt the ZZP radiator to get it to fit in front of the AC core. All the fittings had to cut off and replace so it would fit the Fiero.

Since the radiator was a long way from the intercooler I decided to use metal piping to get the coolant to the front of the car. This would have an added benefit. The pipes would act as additional radiators on the round trip of the fluid. I used 3/4-inch metal pipes so the fluid would have less restriction through the pipe and transmit more heat.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #249, 06-20-2003 01:08 PM
     
I was able to mount then that the pipes are not any lower than the stock lines.

The pump was mounted behind the radiator. BTW, I am very pleased with the flow of the ZZP pump. I have a sight tube at the intercooler and it is really moving a lot of fluid swiftly.

I also replaced the intake manifold with the ZZP modified manifold. This manifold allows even more cooling of the incoming air. I sure hated to be tearing a engine apart that was a new crate engine and now with about 3000 miles on it. Here is a pic of the stock intake manifold.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #250, 06-20-2003 01:09 PM
     
These engines are so well engineered I was pleasantly surprised when I got the manifold off. The gaskets have locating pins and almost no gasket sealer is needed because of the design of the gaskets. Look at the oil collectors for each push rod. I was impressed with the inside of the engine.

And here is the ZZP modified intake manifold.



I also had the ZZP 8-groove pulley at the Carlisle show but not the 8-groove belt. The 8-groove pulley gives 1/3 more gripping power. I now redesigned my belt path for even more wrap around the supercharger pulley. I previously had some belt slip at high RPMs. I believe this will take care of that.

I was able to track down a Goodyear Gatorback belt at a local tractor-trailer parts shop. ZZP does not have a 8-groove pulleys in production yet so I modified mine from a 6-groove pulley to a 7-groove pulley.

My belt path is greatly improved and I went from about 35 degree wrap around the supercharger pulley to about 270 degree wrap. With the 33% more belt I am sure belt slip is a thing of the past.

I now have 3 swappable pulleys. 3.4, 3.25 and a 3.0 Zooomer owner of ZZP says I will be able to run the 3.0 with no additional mods to the engine. With the 3.0 pulley I should be approaching the 300 HP to the rear wheels along with the help of the WCF headers.


Also in this pic you can see where the intercooler lines connect to the intercooler. I added a sight tube to allow me to observe the coolant.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #251, 06-20-2003 01:10 PM
     
I also added the ZZP throttle body spacer. It prevents the supercharger from heating up the throttle body.

I also add the ZZP underdrive water pump pulley to free up some horsepower. It is lighter and prevents turning the pump faster than is needed.


Here are some pics of the completed intercooler.


Now previously I shamefully was using the stock restrictive 2.8 air intake system and air cleaner. I decided to build a cold air intake box and intake system with a K&N filter. I have a one-piece 4-inch rubber hose running from the throttle body to the K&N filter. I am designing a cold air box behind the Mecham side scoop for some ram air effect. Most of the Fieros I have seen just stick a filter behind the quarter panel and let it suck hot air from the surrounds. Not good! I want a completely sealed compartment for the filter that will only take in cool air.

With the redesigning of the air intake system I was able to relocate two ugly items in my engine compartment. I relocated the emissions canister and the cruise control vacuum tank away from my rear engine compartment to being hidden where the old air cleaner was. It is much nicer looking without those ugly things being visible.

Well after driving my GT finally after completing the cold air intake and intercooler. It felt so much stronger. I drove it hard and it felt like it definitely has more power. The power was right there all the time. It reminded me of a tightly wound rubber band. After the spirited drive the intercooler was only warm and it would of been too hot to touch before. I was pleased with that. The new intake system really lets the whine of the supercharger come through. Sweet! I had the expected drop in boost but now it time to put the smaller pulleys on. hehe

Here is my cold air intake box. I made two panels out of steel to close the area. All seams were taped with metal duct tape as well as any factory openings. The original fender liner was cut in the middle so you only need to remove the front half to service. The liner is sealed with gaskets as well.

Here is the new large K&N air filter in place.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #252, 06-20-2003 01:11 PM
     
My new air intake tube is awesome. It is heavy rubber with a steel coil inside to prevent collapse.

The custom rubber hose is so much better than PVC or metal. It reduces the heat transferred to the inside and does not transmit vibrations.

And here is the competed view through the engine-viewing window. The supercharger sure looks sweeter being 2 1/4 inches closer to the glass.

The last thing I have done was change the stock fuel pump to the 1989 Turbo Trans Am fuel pump. It will allow the pump to keep up with the higher demand of this engine.


So this is up to date I believe. Yes I still got lots of plans for the car. I need to get it dialed in with a new ECM chip burned for this engine setup. I have a few other ideas I might develop. I am planning to go to the 20th Anniversary Show and hope to meet lots of new people. Please stop by and check it out. Let me know what you think.




Muddy2 (fierosite@fieronews.com) MSG #253, 06-20-2003 02:01 PM
      Ski, adopt me!



Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #254, 06-20-2003 02:55 PM
      Hey Skitime you have the most sweetest car on here. Will you let me move in if I promise to wash and wax your GT?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #255, 06-20-2003 04:04 PM
      Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

yashmack MSG #256, 06-20-2003 04:41 PM
      wow, took me several hours to read through the hole thing. amazing, simply amazing. If I could do half the work to my future car as you have done to this one I would be satisfied, your work is truly inspiring and top rate. cant wait to see what you do next

fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #257, 06-20-2003 05:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

Hey well why didn't you just say so! I've seen pictures of your daughter from her prom, and I'm willing if you willing to have me.

Oh and about the car, I don't think I need to repeat myself yet again

Matt



$Rich$ (rich@sio.midco.net) MSG #258, 06-21-2003 02:05 AM
      keep up the good work

Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #259, 06-21-2003 02:30 AM
      Oops, I think you messed something up! Oh wait, my mistake, the car is perfect.

Beautiful work, as always. One question, would you mind sharing what the intake tube was originally intended for, specifically? It is a great piece and I'm sure other 3800 SC owners would like to know how they can get it in the future. I don't have a 3800SC, but if I did I'd be all over that intake setup, it's near ideal!

Bryce
88 GT


FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #260, 06-21-2003 04:25 AM
      man, does this tread ever make ya want a 3.8? Lol.

Fredrik (sleipner-racing@telia.com) MSG #261, 06-26-2003 06:34 AM
      Hi,
Nice work!
What was the 4" intake hose made for originally?
Where to get it?
Do You have the partnumber for the 4" KN filter?

Please post more info on how the engine perform with the 3" S/C pulley!

Thanks!!!
Fredrik



8Ball (viriiguy@gmail.com) MSG #262, 06-26-2003 09:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Sorry guys you will have to marry into the family. lol

*Get's down on one Knee*

Ski,
Will you marry me


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #263, 06-26-2003 10:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fredrik:

Hi,
Nice work!
What was the 4" intake hose made for originally?
Where to get it?
Do You have the partnumber for the 4" KN filter?

Please post more info on how the engine perform with the 3" S/C pulley!

Thanks!!!
Fredrik

I would like to suppy the intake hose. If I buy them in quanity I can sell them for $85+shipping. They will have the air temp sensor mounting installed unless you prefer to do that yourself. I will leave 2-3 inches extra on each end so you can cut to fit your application.

The air cleaner is K&N #RF-1040

To date I have only moved down to the 3.25 pulley. I need to get a scanner on the engine before I go to the 3.0 pulley. The car run very strong with the 3.25 pulley. It reminds me of have nitrous oxide on the car compared to how if felt without the intercooler and a stock 3.8 pulley. The fluid in the intercooler system is staying very cool also.



Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #264, 06-26-2003 11:07 AM
      Hey Ski, does the tube there rub up against the coolent pipe? I was wondering if you were worried about it maybe rubbing through eventually or heating up your 'air box'. Just curious.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #265, 06-26-2003 11:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jncomutt:

Hey Ski, does the tube there rub up against the coolent pipe? I was wondering if you were worried about it maybe rubbing through eventually or heating up your 'air box'. Just curious.

The only thing the tube touches is what you see in the pics. It touches the engine wall as it passes into the cold air box and it touches the gas filler pipe. Since the hose is rubber this is not a problem especially since it is a long distance for the end mounted to the throttle body.



Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #266, 06-26-2003 11:59 AM
      Ohh.. gotcha. I confused the gas filler tube. Lookin good!!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #267, 06-28-2003 03:23 AM
     

Ski you got my vote for the fiero hall of fame !!


Simply amazing automobile, you put us all to shame.


my86se.and85gt.fieros (adf82m@aol.com) MSG #268, 06-28-2003 08:25 AM
      hey you have a lot of money and time put in to that car take care of it and can u fix my 86se up

FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #269, 06-28-2003 04:18 PM
      Hey ski, you gotta get us some detailed interior shots...like for instance, where do you have all your strobe switches! lol

Yeah, I'd like to see some interior shots...

You really should do some stereo stuff in there...Your car would ROCK with a DVD player and Screen...not that it doesnt rock already ...



fieromadman (j_depies@hotmail.com) MSG #270, 06-30-2003 03:06 PM
      bump for interior shots..

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #271, 06-30-2003 03:50 PM
      I covered my interior changes on page 5. What else do you want to see?

FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #272, 06-30-2003 04:01 PM
      ... A dvd player?

LOL

Sorry, didnt see those pics...LOL

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #273, 06-30-2003 04:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroAudio:

Hey ski, you gotta get us some detailed interior shots...like for instance, where do you have all your strobe switches! lol

Yeah, I'd like to see some interior shots...

You really should do some stereo stuff in there...Your car would ROCK with a DVD player and Screen...not that it doesnt rock already ...

I have a defrost switch modified to be my switch for my driving lights. That way it appears stock and I always hated seeing that location being blank. It is wired so that the when the parking lights are off the driving lights are off too. I also have it wired so the indicator light on the switch comes on when the driving lights are on.

All my other switches are under the drivers ash tray door.
1. Main switch - turns off power to the rest of the switches
2. Engine lights switch
3. PONTIAC strobe switch
4. Headlight covers lights
5. Headlight covers strobes
6. Undercar neons lights.

I started the panel with flat rocker switches but they were too large to keep adding so by the time it came to install more switches I changed to mini metal toggle switches. I want to redo the panel now to have uniform switches throughout. I might be adding more lights & strobes in the future so I also need to have room for more switches.

My stereo does sound great already. The late model Pontiac radios are great. I have 3-way Pioneer speakers up front and Pioneer 2-way on the B-pillars. Those combined with the factory sub-woofer gives the car a solid sound. I have custom tuned the sub-woofer amp to get maximun benifit from the Rodney Dickman sub-woofer. It has a much stronger thump now then before. The cassette head unit also controls the 6 disk Delco CD changer. The changer has all of its controls in the head unit. The changer is mounted on the left front fender wall under the hood. I really like the unit because it looks stock plays great and would be an unlikely target for theives. No self respecting theif would steal a cassette radio and they would have no idea it is connected to the CD changer since their is no tell-tale CD control.

Sure I have thought about DVD units and might go down that road someday. Got too many other projects to complete first.


88GT5.0KILLER MSG #274, 06-30-2003 10:03 PM
      I'd love one of those intake hoses. Do you have paypal. Email me and let me know whats up ok? I'd like to buy ASAP. Thanks

Songman MSG #275, 06-30-2003 10:54 PM
      If you have a picture of the front compartment, I would love to see more on the placement of the CD changer. I'm getting ready to do my install as soon as I get adaptors. I also need the harness to go between the tape deck and the changer if you know any sources...




linenoise MSG #276, 07-04-2003 11:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Not only do you have the nicest fiero I have ever seen, This is one of the best pictures I have ever seen taken of a car. As with your car the attentionto detail shows.

Btw just noticed we have the same radio, could you give me some more info on the factory CD changer your using. Thanks.

2Fast_Fiero (grayjos@earthlink.net) MSG #277, 07-05-2003 01:12 AM
      Were did you get the Middle Vent? I need to work on getting my engine cooler, its too hot were I live. I have 3 fans that I wanna wire up under the section were you have your middle Vent, and have them sucking air out of the engine compartment through some vents, I like your vent and would love to install it. These fans blow like there is no tomorow, and they take minimal power.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #278, 07-05-2003 09:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by linenoise:

Not only do you have the nicest fiero I have ever seen, This is one of the best pictures I have ever seen taken of a car. As with your car the attentionto detail shows.

Btw just noticed we have the same radio, could you give me some more info on the factory CD changer your using. Thanks.

Thanks. I taught photography for years so that helps.

The CD changer is available from any GM dealer. The radio can control either a 6 or 12 disc changer. I bought mine through Ebay for $85. The changer connects to a 9 pin socket on the back of the radio. You can see it in this picture near the center of the back.

This plug is not found on all Pontiac radios so be sure you have the correct radio before buying the CD changer. Be sure not to buy a 10 disc Delco changer. The 10 disc changer is not hard wired to the radio so the sound in not as good and you still would need a seperate CD control.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #279, 07-05-2003 09:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2Fast_Fiero:

Were did you get the Middle Vent? I need to work on getting my engine cooler, its too hot were I live. I have 3 fans that I wanna wire up under the section were you have your middle Vent, and have them sucking air out of the engine compartment through some vents, I like your vent and would love to install it. These fans blow like there is no tomorow, and they take minimal power.

You have not read carefully it was covered on page 1. lol I made the vent from a pair of GT engine vents. It was a very difficult piece to make. I spent more time on that than the engine window.

Now go back and read. There will be a test on the material tomorrow. J/K



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #280, 07-05-2003 10:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

If you have a picture of the front compartment, I would love to see more on the placement of the CD changer. I'm getting ready to do my install as soon as I get adaptors. I also need the harness to go between the tape deck and the changer if you know any sources...

Sorry Songman it took a while to remember to take some pics for you. Here they are. If you have a sunroof you might have to move the sunroof storage mounts over to the right side slightly as we did in Vonnies car. I also had to slightly move the prop rod on her car to clear the changer.

I got my changer harness from a GM dealer. Be sure to get the one with the correct connectors. Sorry I don't remember the part number.



linenoise MSG #281, 07-05-2003 11:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Sure looks like the same radio, I'll pull it and look for connectors.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #282, 07-05-2003 11:41 AM
      Wow this is now to page 8. Cool

Yes, they all look the same. Just some do not have the 9 pin connector on the back.



Songman MSG #283, 07-05-2003 01:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Sorry Songman it took a while to remember to take some pics for you. Here they are. If you have a sunroof you might have to move the sunroof storage mounts over to the right side slightly as we did in Vonnies car. I also had to slightly move the prop rod on her car to clear the changer.


I got my changer harness from a GM dealer. Be sure to get the one with the correct connectors. Sorry I don't remember the part number.

Thanks Dave! That's going to help a lot. I didn't even think about mounting the changer at an angle like that!

My system came complete out of a Bonneville. I got it off of eBay for $91 for the radio, changer, and two 12 disc cartirdges! The guy said he didn't feel like digging through the car to take the wires out though.

I am putting this in my T-top so I don't have to worry about the sunroof. I'll go to a dealer and get the wiring I need. The only other thing I want for it is a steering wheel with controls!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #284, 07-05-2003 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

Thanks Dave! That's going to help a lot. I didn't even think about mounting the changer at an angle like that!

My system came complete out of a Bonneville. I got it off of eBay for $91 for the radio, changer, and two 12 disc cartirdges! The guy said he didn't feel like digging through the car to take the wires out though.

I am putting this in my T-top so I don't have to worry about the sunroof. I'll go to a dealer and get the wiring I need. The only other thing I want for it is a steering wheel with controls!

The CD changer is designed to be mounted horzontally or vertically and also 22.5*,45* and 67.5*

If you are installing a 12 disc changer I would think I would build a rack over the spare tire to mount it. You could mount it at the angle of the spare tire.



jscott1 MSG #285, 07-05-2003 01:59 PM
      Delco must have made a dozen differnt radios during the 90s. Some have the 9 pin and some don't. The early CD players could not control a changer, but the later ones can.

I have the same cassette/radio in my GT. Except I bought an adapter to convert the changer input into a standard aux input and that's where I connected my DVD player. Since it also plays MP3s I don't need a changer. I rarely listen to standard audio CDs anymore.

By the way I have the steering wheel controls...I don't want to hijack Skitime's thread so if anyone is interested PM me.

Skitime, I'm waiting for you to do the firebird interior on your car. I'm sure it would be the best ever.



Formula88 MSG #286, 07-05-2003 02:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

Skitime, I'm waiting for you to do the firebird interior on your car. I'm sure it would be the best ever.

He'd have to do a Beechwood Firebird interior, or it just wouldn't be right.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #287, 07-05-2003 03:15 PM
      Denny took some pics last night with his digital. They all were done without a flash at dusk. I had my neons, strobes and cold cathodes on. They got pretty cool so I thought I would share them here.

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2Fast_Fiero (grayjos@earthlink.net) MSG #288, 07-05-2003 04:11 PM
      RAWR! I allways get an adrenalin rush when I see that car! Time to go play with mine!

R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #289, 07-05-2003 08:45 PM
      Skitime.....

That ROCKS! I love the lights and the "Fiero GT" back lit head light cover. Oh so cool. Your going to the 20th right? I gotta see your car!

Sweet!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #290, 07-05-2003 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by R Runner:

Skitime.....

That ROCKS! I love the lights and the "Fiero GT" back lit head light cover. Oh so cool. Your going to the 20th right? I gotta see your car!

Sweet!


Thanks! Yes, we plan to be at the 20th. Unfortunately the lights are best at night. Here are some from the other side.




Gokart Mozart MSG #291, 07-05-2003 09:17 PM
      Don't know if you plan on going to the drive-in but that'll grab everyone's attention!

2Fast_Fiero (grayjos@earthlink.net) MSG #292, 07-05-2003 11:00 PM
      It looks like Eyes! I Love IT!

BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #293, 07-06-2003 12:52 AM
      Hehe, with all those other lights on your car the PONTIAC at the back looks seriously underlit!

Sweet car, can't wait to see it in person at the 20th.

Brad

2Fast_Fiero (grayjos@earthlink.net) MSG #294, 07-06-2003 02:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BtotheB:

Hehe, with all those other lights on your car the PONTIAC at the back looks seriously underlit!

Sweet car, can't wait to see it in person at the 20th.

Brad

Yes it does. You should throw in a red Neon to light up the PONTIAC in the rear...

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #295, 07-06-2003 08:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BtotheB:

Hehe, with all those other lights on your car the PONTIAC at the back looks seriously underlit!

Sweet car, can't wait to see it in person at the 20th.

Brad

Well, it can't be appreciated with still photography but there are four strobes in the PONTIAC lights that are ramdomly going off. So they are a real attention getter at cruise-ins.



BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #296, 07-06-2003 03:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Well, it can't be appreciated with still photography but there are four strobes in the PONTIAC lights that are ramdomly going off. So they are a real attention getter at cruise-ins.

Heh, I remember reading about that mod now, its so hard to keep track of them all

jscott1 MSG #297, 07-06-2003 03:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

there are four strobes in the PONTIAC lights that are ramdomly going off...

Are the strobes independent of the bulbs that light up "PONTIAC"? in other words can you still light up your "PONTIAC" the normal way?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #298, 07-06-2003 03:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

Are the strobes independent of the bulbs that light up "PONTIAC"? in other words can you still light up your "PONTIAC" the normal way?

Yes the factory PONTIAC light still light up as normal but with brighter than nomal bulbs. The bulbs make the PONTIAC visible in daylight. The circuit is also wired to the cold cathodes in the headlight covers so the PONTIAC lights and the headlight covers come on automatically when the car is started. The four strobe bulbs are controlled with 2 seperate controllers that allow changing the strobes speeds. The strobes have a seperate switch in the drivers ash tray and of course are not used while driving.

MarkJPana (markjpana@comcast.net) MSG #299, 07-16-2003 11:54 AM
      5th time reading this, always fun and interesting to see what makes your car "your car"

u da man ski! lol

and a bump for all the newbies

~Mark



Parde_GT MSG #300, 07-16-2003 07:49 PM
      I became a member not long ago and just read the whole 8 page thread. Absolutely exquisite design and craftsmanship. Many could have spent twice what you have and not come up with an end product anywhere near to the standards and perfection yours embody. Many thanks for sharing so much of your work with us.

Maybe I missed it somewhere but did you finish making the vents in the fenders functional? If so, maybe you could share a little on it.

Muddy2 (fierosite@fieronews.com) MSG #301, 07-16-2003 08:15 PM
      Awesome thread on a awesome car... just hope one day my car can match its awesomeness

ps.. 300'th post.



MarkJPana (markjpana@comcast.net) MSG #302, 08-03-2003 10:32 PM
      yes...the ever present BUMP

Iheartfiero MSG #303, 08-04-2003 12:03 AM
      you have a kickass name. I love skiing too. Next to fieros its my only love.

Bradbitz11 (bitzerb@gmail.com) MSG #304, 08-04-2003 12:04 AM
      Yes, we all love ski....hehe



Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #305, 08-06-2003 09:51 PM
      damn ski if I could olny be half as talented as you I would be one happy guy.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #306, 08-06-2003 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Iheartfiero:

you have a kickass name. I love skiing too. Next to fieros its my only love.


Well skiing and women.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #307, 08-06-2003 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fire451:

damn ski if I could olny be half as talented as you I would be one happy guy.

Well if I live in British Columbia I would be a happier guy too.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #308, 08-06-2003 10:58 PM
      I kinda lost track of this thread, soooo many pages!! Your car is like a freakin light show... and I like it. Everything goes together really nicely and you're obviously a perfectionist. You turned that car into one incredible machine.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #309, 08-06-2003 11:30 PM
      Guess it is time to update the latest changes. I have added chrome calipers and drilled slotted directional plated Corvette C4 rotors without a kit.

FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #310, 08-09-2003 03:54 AM
      shoot to the top! ^^^^^^^

Gokart Mozart MSG #311, 08-10-2003 06:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Guess it is time to update the latest changes. I have added chrome calipers and drilled slotted directional plated Corvette C4 rotors without a kit.

You post this without pics?!?!? Tisk, tisk, tisk!


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #312, 08-10-2003 09:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

You post this without pics?!?!? Tisk, tisk, tisk!

LOL true but I been to the 20th show and additional two weeks of vaction. I will get around to it. BTW, they were covered in seperate threads.



stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #313, 08-11-2003 01:16 AM
      Well I have done it again! Gone out of my way to round up all the info contained in this thread to make a since downloadable file for anyone to get. Please note that reading through this thing in it's entirety would have taken me a couple hours so I mainly focused on the posts where SkiTime quoted some one then answered with something constructive to the build up of his car as well as all the pics and all the info in his posts. The questions and answers are contained at the end and I'll be updating this as he continues. Currently it is over 8 Megs in size in Microsoft Word Format. I wish I could convert this to PDF but that costs money that I don't have or can afford to part with. There's enough here to make a descent magazine out of.

Right Click this and SAVE TARGET AS!
Build Up Document

Stuart Lowery
Stu #2


stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #314, 08-11-2003 02:15 AM
      Oh and on a side note please don't start printing this out unless you understand what it's going to take to do it. Almost all pages have color photo's on them and to use a ink jet type printer could cost upwards on $500 in ink alone to print 210 high quality pages. Skitime you've just made your first book!!! And it'll be added to as you go.

Joe Torma (animatedjoe75@yahoo.com) MSG #315, 08-11-2003 02:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stuartlowery:
... Almost all pages have color photo's on them and to use a ink jet type printer could cost upwards on $500 in ink alone to print 210 high quality pages. Skitime you've just made your first book!!!...

I can color laser print it for about $75 and make it nice with spiral coil binding....cuz that's what I do.

Ski...I'm looking forward to seeing your car at the Dutch Classic.

stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #316, 08-11-2003 10:33 AM
      Thanks Joe If I get the nerve up to pay for this type of printing to be done. I'll look you up to do it. Hey Ski here's the perfect addition to your car for the shows! An almost complete biography of your car!

Hey Ski here's a new Signature line for ya!

code:
  (IMG]http://www.fiero.nl/uploads/imgs2003/skitime001.gif(/IMG]  
Red 88 GT T-Top 3800 Supercharged
White 88 GT Stock
(URL=http://www.spadworld.com/extras/SkiTimes_Build_Up.doc]Download my Biography here(/URL]
(SIZE=1](COLOR=Red]Please give me a rating if you appreciate my contribution.
(/COLOR](/SIZE]


Just replace the ( with [


Red 88 GT T-Top 3800 Supercharged
White 88 GT Stock
Download my Biography here
[Please give me a rating if you appreciate my contribution.
]

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Smoooooth GT MSG #317, 08-11-2003 10:41 AM
      Look's freaking AWESOME!! I have'nt looked at this thread in a while, and I about fell outts my chair when I saw the neon's... Man are you ever gonna stop?? Please don't!! You are raising the bar everytime you touch that Fiero!! Great detail on EVERYTHING!! Make's me wanna burn mine to the ground!

SmoothGT!!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #318, 08-11-2003 11:08 AM
      Hey, that is cool you did all that work stuartlowery. I did not realize this thread has grown so big. I guess I better get working on the newest mods being added to the thread so it will be up to date.

Glad you guys have enjoyed the thread. It did take a lot of time to write it too. I really appreaciate all the comments. Thanks!

PS, not sure how this could be done but it would be interesting to have a history of Skitimes signatures. I have no idea how many I had but they also document the development of the car.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #319, 08-11-2003 03:11 PM
      Well I have be slacking on updating this tread again. I am heading back to my 29th year of teaching next week so I better work on this before school starts.

Let me go back in time a little and talk about my 2003 Fiero show season. My first show of the season was the show at Carlisle PA. On page 7 I had reviewed the repairs to the car for the season. The hood scoop, passenger door skin and rear bumper were repainted. I added the lighted headlight covers. Let me share some pics from the Carlisle show.

Here is one picture of my car with me in the background in the red jacket.

Carlisle was a great show as always and every Fiero owner should try to get to it. The number people that check out my car always overwhelm me. I knew that it was a good day because the grass was heavily trampled around the car. I was lucky enough to gain a first place trophy in the modified fastback class.

The next show was the GM Nationals again at the Carlisle Fair Grounds. This show was only a few weeks after the Carlisle Fiero Show and I was working hard at completing the intercooler to be ready for the GM National. I was able to complete it in time. One other item I was having done for the show was a poster for my show display. I am always being beaten my NOS3800 at the GM National show. He has a great purple GT also with a 3800SC. He always has a good display to show his car off and it is very effective. Here is a shot of his car at the earlier Carlisle show.

At the GM National the show is peer judged but not just by the Fiero people but by hundreds of show participates who own any and all makes of GM cars. What is important at this show it to make a good quick impression. I never provided any display before at this show. Kameo Kid had just done my signature prior to this show.

He sent me a picture of my signature as a mounted poster.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #320, 08-11-2003 03:12 PM
      I decided I had to have that for the GM Nationals. There was a problem. Small detail but it bothered me. The picture of the engine was prior to the intercooler. I wanted it with the intercooler even though you cannot see the intercooler the supercharger was now closer to the glass and looks different. I asked Kameo Kid if he could redo it with a new engine picture and also to remove the skitime since most people not into Fieros would not understand that word. I must add that this was only two days before the show. I also must add that I did not know Kameo Kid prior to this. He worked all night with a new set of pictures and finished it Thursday and overnight shipped it so I received it Friday for the Saturday show. Wow what a guy. I got it just in time.

I also had received from Vonnie as a birthday present the previous year a car surround for my car. Denny’s wife made it. She did a great job and I used it at a few show the previous years. The sides say 3800 SUPERCHARGED

In addition I had started a thread about ideas for a logo idea for my car to let the world know the car was intercooled. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/029961.html
MuncieFiero’s wife had made a logo for me in that thread. I really liked it and Bob Schlag printed it for me and brought it to the show for me. This allowed people to easily understand what engine they were looking at. I also have two sheets listing all my modifications on the back of the car and on the windshield. I also have a few tags pointing out things I have noticed people miss when looking at my car. Most people never notice the removable rear window, many think the engine window is a mirror and many never notice the engine vent on the trunk.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #321, 08-11-2003 03:13 PM
      The results of the show are not known until the next day. I never liked that about the show. Well I finally was able to take a first in the Custom Fastback class after trying for three years. I have to guess that my attempt at making the car display had to have helped me at the show.

After this show I had embarked on another modification to the car. While at the GM Nationals I walked though the hundreds of stands selling parts and found a company that offered custom chroming. I always thought with my chrome wheels that the brake calipers needed improvement. I inquired about chroming my caliper brackets and was told that cast iron is harder to do but they could do it. After the show I sent a spare set of caliper brackets to them. The chrome shop moved my order up in priority to get them to me in time for the 20th Anniversary show. I was charged $55 each including the return shipping. The shop is C.A.R.S. of Pittsburgh, Inc. Chrome Shop at www.carsofpgh.com When I got them back I was thrilled. You really have to see them in person to really appreciate them. I attached a note to calipers I sent suggesting that if possible to soften the edges and if possible get rid of numbers stamped on them. Wow did they ever improve the appearance of the bracket. It really matched the soft curves of the wheel.








Although the 88 brakes are far superior to the pre-88 Fieros, I wanted to upgrade my brakes and was inspired by West Coast Fiero’s 88 brake upgrade kit. http://www.westcoastfiero.com/Brakes/Brakes.html The beauty of this swap is that you are only swapping to a bigger diameter rotor. The 88 Fiero caliper is retained which means you are also retaining the emergency brake. The 88 Fiero disc brake rotors are the same thickness as the C4 Corvette rotor while the 88 Fiero rotor is a 10 ½” diameter but the Corvette rotor is a 12”. WCF could not supply the rotor I wanted so I decided to make the kit myself. Most brake upgrade kits run $1000 to $2000 so the WCF kit is a bargain at $595 for all four wheels. Too bad it only works on 88 Fieros.
At the Fieros at Carlisle show, I found out that Rockcrawl had already done the swap by himself also. Thanks to Rockcrawl and Akursked I was able to figure out what I needed to do. Rockcrawl has a great web page about his brake swap here. http://www.fieroaddiction.com/brakes.html While talking to Rockcrawl he assured me the brake swap has impressive results. AkursedX also had a good thread about his experience of installing the WCF kit. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/030023.html
I wanted some rotors that would really catch your eye as well as superior to a solid rotor. I found some sweet drilled, slotted, silver plated, directional Corvette rotors from Parts Authority. They are out of Rockville Centre, NY and their phone number is 516-678-3900. They cost $75 each but shipping was $60 total for the four being $360


Here is one side by side with a stock Fiero rotor.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 12-03-2007).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #322, 08-11-2003 03:16 PM
      I sent the rotors out to a local machine shop to redrill the rotors from a 4 ½ bolt pattern to a 4 ¼ Fiero pattern. The machine shop also made the needed centering rings. The centering ring is tapered on the back which matches the taper on the Corvette rotor. The taper prevents it from falling out and the centering ring was also machined to have a friction fit through the center of the rotor. All that worked only cost $60 for the four rotors.

I spent a lot of time on the caliper adapters. I tried a few prototypes to see what needed to be done. Finally I decided the only precise way to do this was using computer aided drafting CAD. I teach AutoCAD at a high school so I felt this was the best way to design them. I spent a day taking measurements from rotors, spindles and calipers trying to decide the best layout. I then plagued myself by cutting some 3/8” steel attempting to make them. I stopped in to check on the rotors and asked if they could make the adapters and they said they easily could. I brought my CAD drawing to them. Wish I would of done that first. LOL They only charged me $30 for the brackets and were already to be put on since they tapped them for me as well. I picked up all my parts and was keeping my fingers crossed it would all fit.

Here is a before shoot with my chrome caliper brackets.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #323, 08-11-2003 03:16 PM
     

And for a before picture……..

After installing the rotors and driving the car enough to break them in, I was amazed at how the brakes inspire so much more confidence. The brakes feel stronger under normal conditions but really are at their best under extreme conditions that would overwork the stock brakes. This is definitely a modification all the 88 owners should do.

The 20th Anniversary Show was fast approaching. I started prepping my car for the drive out to Pontiac Michigan. I found a bad lower ball joint that needed replacing and had all four wheels rebalanced. I found some seepage on the slave cylinder so I decided to replace both the master and slave cylinder to be on the safe side. While driving to a cruise-in the car developed a squeal. The squeal came and went and was annoying. I had a squeal that sounded like this last year and found it to be an idler pulley. I replaced all my idlers and finally the alternator. The squeal was still there and was hard to locate. We were leaving on Wednesday and the alternator was replaced on the Saturday before. That was when the elusive squeal got worse. It was coming from the bell housing area. I was heartbroken that I might not make it to the 20th. Anniversary show since it was three days before we planned to leave. I decided that if I take the trans out I run the risk of not making it to the show. Monday I called around and found a trailer to borrow and a place to install a hitch on my Durango. So Wednesday morning I attempted to drive the car out of the garage found the clutch was not working. Upon investigation I found that the new master cylinder was not releasing. I reinstalled the old master cylinder and loaded the car. At least I would be going to the show despite the trailer queen jokes.

Kameo Kid was having engine problems and had called for help. Through the phone conversation he invited us to stop at his place Wednesday night. What a great invitation since he never met up personally but that is what is so great about Fiero people. The invite was perfect for us since his place was almost exactly halfway to Pontiac MI. We arrived at his place without a problem. We had to clean my wheels since we had run out of time at home. I took the car off the trailer and took Kameo Kid for a ride. (No squeal) We cleaned the wheels, ate and then had a photo session with the two cars.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #324, 08-11-2003 03:17 PM
     

Thursday we drove with Kameo Kid to the 20th show. We arrived around 1pm. Vonnie went right to work cleaning my car. She worked hard again on Friday as well as Saturday morning. As I am sure many of you will attest to she was always working on cleaning the car and many of you probably had a hard time taking pictures of my car without her in it. Let me explain why. I am a klutz when it comes to cleaning a car. I usually do more harm than good so she makes me keep away. Thank God and thanks Vonnie.

Words cannot describe the thrill to see all the cars and meet all the people. It truly was overwhelming. Here is a shot from our hotel room Friday night.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #325, 08-11-2003 03:18 PM
      I usually did not get to bed before 2 am each day. I think the action in the parking lot at night was the most enjoyable part of the show. If you went to bed you really missed the best part of the show. Here is the view early Saturday morning.

I had no experience with this type of show. I leaned on Kameo Kid for advice. So Saturday morning I was having a hard time trying to decide what was the best strategy on judging. Early or late? When Kameo Kid decided to go early, I did the same thing. Vonnie was off getting breakfast but I went without her. She arrived while I was waiting in line and did some more final touches. I was perhaps one of the first ten cars to be judged. I was really relieved to have it over with and really did not figure I had a chance anyway. Since the car was judged I could take the t-tops off and open the car up to show it off and enjoy the day.

Here is the parking lot later in the day. All the empty parking spaces are because the car is over being judged.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #326, 08-11-2003 03:19 PM
     




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #327, 08-11-2003 03:19 PM
     

The banquet was such a treat. To listen to Hulkie and Parkie was a joy. I was enjoying every minute.

Finally they were giving out trophies. Most everyone at my table was receiving one so I was getting hopeful. When they got to my class I was thrilled when they called my name for a third place in Heavy Modified. Unbelievable! Since this was really a “clean contest” the trophy really belongs to Vonnie. She did most of the work. Thanks Vonnie.

We had a good trip home and another night at Kameo Kids. (Thanks Kelly) We then loaded our motorhome for a trip to Nova Scotia and were gone for another two weeks. Since then I have gone to a few cruise-ins and are preparing for the Dutch Classic Fiero show. That annoying squeal was not heard for the entire 20th show trip. I had found that the new GM clutch master cylinder was not releasing all of its pressure and was causing most of the squeal but it is now occasionally still heard. I am hoping the squeal will wait now till the winter for repair. I am hoping it is a throw-out bearing. Time will tell.

BTW the 20th prototypes had possibly inspired my to do some more mods. Most people close to me are discouraging me from them so time will tell. I got them worked out in my head and that is dangerous. lol

I would really enjoy seeing any pics you might have of my car from the 20th so if you by chance have one please post it for me. Thanks.



Panama Jack (panama_jack@comcast.net) MSG #328, 08-11-2003 03:44 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

PS, not sure how this could be done but it would be interesting to have a history of Skitimes signatures. I have no idea how many I had but they also document the development of the car.

Here are a couple from the past


Used 2001 thru the 3800 install in 2002 (I wasn't reading the forum prior to May 2001, so that was the first one I knew about...)


Used briefly during 2002 after the 3800 install

After that, there were some created by Aus ( http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20030531-1-025643.html ), leading to another signature

that unless I am wrong, was used until the current version was created by Kameo (very cool signature too).

Did I miss any (other than the ones that didn't make posting status)???

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Panama Jack (panama_jack@comcast.net) MSG #329, 08-11-2003 03:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

BTW the 20th prototypes had possibly inspired my to do some more mods. Most people close to me are discouraging me from them so time will tell. I got them worked out in my head and that is dangerous. lol

You realize, of course, that you will have to apologize to those that you harm automotively. It's an important step in recovery

Great write-up, Dave!!



stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #330, 08-11-2003 04:59 PM
      SkiTimes "AUTO" Biography Updated 8-11
[edit] edited URL to new location [/edit]

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Formula88 MSG #331, 08-11-2003 09:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stuartlowery:

SkiTimes "AUTO" Biography Updated 8-11



derangedsheep MSG #332, 08-11-2003 10:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula88:

i get the same thing

stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #333, 08-12-2003 12:02 AM
      Sorry guys my server disconnected way too soon only got 384K of 11 Megs uploaded it should be finished uploading in about 5-10 minutes.


Just to let you all in on a few of my plans I may start a new website soon. One dedicated to fieros and I will try to hold all the mods that can be done on it as well as dedicate pages to certain cars that others look up to. I'm not sure when this will happen as I already have one site that I need to donate to another group of people that I built it for their hobby that I am no longer a part of and don't have the time to keep the site updated. Current site is www.spadworld.com And I am about to purchase another name for my next site.
Heck I've already gotten Ski's "AUTO" Biography turned into a web page that needs a little editing.

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2Fast_Fiero (grayjos@earthlink.net) MSG #334, 08-12-2003 12:27 AM
      Skitime, Absolutely Perfect. I cannot wait to drive the Red 88 GT into my driveway for the first time! Its gonna be the best day of my life.

ImmortalFirefly (acollier21@gmail.com) MSG #335, 08-12-2003 02:57 AM
      Hey Skitime, like I said before, I absolutely love your car. It looks really really good. If I saw that around here, I would cry I would be so happy . I'm very very impressed with what you have done with it and your creativity. It all goes together really well and I'm proud of you. You make the Fiero Community look really good. And also, I wanted to just say how cool it was of you Kameo Kid to help out Skitime A) on such short notice and B) help him with anything. That's a very unselfish act on your part, and it shows. By the way Kameo Kid, your car rocks man, that looks way cool. Anyway, good luck and great jobs everybody

ImmortalFirefly

P.S. Could you please come to Utah so I can see it?? hehe jk.........please? lol



Kameo Kid MSG #336, 08-12-2003 09:28 PM
      Well let me tell ya ski it was a pleasure having you and Vonnie "i'll leave the orange cones out for ya!!" (inside joke) his trailer attacked a lil neibor girl, oh i wish i would have gotten pics of that..

i'm looking forward to coming over your way sometime soon, just don't know when yet..

but give me a call on those mods your thinking of and i can tell ya what's up my sleeve for the GT for next year.



TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #337, 08-27-2003 02:18 AM
      if you only knew how much i envy your dedication tp and knowledge of fieros. ill be happy if i get rear 1/4 windows that i can see through.lol



My7Fieros MSG #338, 08-29-2003 10:09 PM
      Yes, I have spent the past 3 hours or so reading this entire thread from start to finish. Unbelievable write up. You are a true inspiration Ski!
P.S. Ever thought about getting another Fiero and starting over again with a new set of mods?


GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #339, 08-29-2003 10:51 PM
      ...

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Kameo Kid MSG #340, 08-30-2003 01:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GTFiero1:

i dunno, i just think Kameo's car looks 110% better without the stickers going up the sides. Much cleaner and sleeker appearence.

It just looks so much meaner without them

Hey GT this is about skitime's car... let's not junk it up or get off topic about mine K?? I don't mind your opinions just make it a new post huh??

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #341, 08-30-2003 01:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by My7Fieros:

Unbelievable write up. You are a true inspiration Ski!
P.S. Ever thought about getting another Fiero and starting over again with a new set of mods?


My thoughts exactly !! Ski we want to see more of your innovations and ideas on a new car !!!!!

(Not saying we are tired of this one by any means)

Your fans await !!

GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #342, 08-30-2003 02:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kameo Kid:

Hey GT this is about skitime's car... let's not junk it up or get off topic about mine K?? I don't mind your opinions just make it a new post huh??

will do

Fiero5 MSG #343, 08-30-2003 10:44 AM
      Wow!
Just when we wonder what else is left on your car to do anything new with, you show us 10 fold.
This is such a great thread and an inspiration to many.
Jordan and I love looking to keep checking in to see the latest cool stuff you are doing.

Thanks

Steve & Jordan

stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #344, 09-03-2003 11:40 PM
      http://www.texasfieros.com/archives/SkiTimes_Build_Up.doc

The new addy for Skitimes Compiled doumentary.

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #345, 09-04-2003 07:43 AM
      Thanks guys for the compliments. Glad you appreciate the work. Stuartlowery thanks for the compilation and the posting of the thread. I was looking thrrough it and am surprised how long it is. lol

clok1966 MSG #346, 11-21-2003 03:07 PM
      I can count on one hand the times I have read a 9 page thread and enjoyed every post of it... 1 time.... and this Thread is it!
I have fixed up some non Fiero cars in my day, but the ammount of work and as somebody stated before "ideas" is staggering... Work is something anybody can do if they are willing, but... the Interesting Ideas, implmentation, and results ... as with most everybody, Im in awe INCREDIBLE WORK! I can only hope someday to see it at a car show.

Clok

derangedsheep MSG #347, 11-26-2003 12:57 PM
      bump to the top for the new guys

3.8 SC MSG #348, 12-21-2003 08:36 PM
      Sky,

First of all, GREAT JOB! I like it when someone takes time out for the little details. It makes all the differents. When I signed on, I had no idea how big this forum was. Then I came across your thread. WOW! I was going to wait until it warmed up. But after I finished reading your story, I went to sears and bought a 55,000 BTU heater, so I can work on my Fiero that I bought last spring.
I too, think the best way to go is with the 3.8S/C II. I am in the process of finding one as I write this to you. I noticed you said something about the intercooler in the wing. Do you have more information on this? I like to go with that idea. I think I know of a place, where I can get thin, little fans. What are the deminsions of the intercooler?

Again great work!
Don
P.S. Did Kameo kid show you the pictures of the S-10 with the V-8 that he owned?


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #349, 12-21-2003 08:52 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by 3.8 SC:

Sky,

First of all, GREAT JOB! I like it when someone takes time out for the little details. It makes all the differents. When I signed on, I had no idea how big this forum was. Then I came across your thread. WOW! I was going to wait until it warmed up. But after I finished reading your story, I went to sears and bought a 55,000 BTU heater, so I can work on my Fiero that I bought last spring.
I too, think the best way to go is with the 3.8S/C II. I am in the process of finding one as I write this to you. I noticed you said something about the intercooler in the wing. Do you have more information on this? I like to go with that idea. I think I know of a place, where I can get thin, little fans. What are the deminsions of the intercooler?

Again great work!
Don
P.S. Did Kameo kid show you the pictures of the S-10 with the V-8 that he owned?

Thanks on the kudos. The wing intercooler was only based on a photo. I did a lot of research on coolers to put in the wing. Sorry I don't have that info any more. I was going to use a pair transmission coolers in series.

I actually spent two nights at Kameo Kids and saw his S-10 close up and even sat in it. Here is a picture of our cars together in his driveway.



Mastermind MSG #350, 12-23-2003 12:19 AM
      Hey Skitime, where can I buy side scoops like yours? Do you have a address and/or phone number?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #351, 12-23-2003 08:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mastermind:

Hey Skitime, where can I buy side scoops like yours? Do you have a address and/or phone number?

Mine are the rare original Meecham side scoops which are urethane. They are not available anywhere. I bought mine from Forum member Rockcrawl. However there are several companies that make fiberglass copies. Since I did not buy them from such a company I an not sure which. I am sure someone will come along and tell you where to find copies of the side scoop.



FieroGT87 (earl-r@sbcglobal.net.disabled) MSG #352, 12-24-2003 09:56 PM
      Ski,

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I'm in the process of doing my ZR1 hood scoop similar to yours as it turns out. I like the idea of cutting into the top of the hood so the scoop is molded flush instead of on top of the hood, Great Idea. I hope you don't mine me doing the same thing.

Thanks,

Earl R.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #353, 12-24-2003 10:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGT87:

Ski,

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I'm in the process of doing my ZR1 hood scoop similar to yours as it turns out. I like the idea of cutting into the top of the hood so the scoop is molded flush instead of on top of the hood, Great Idea. I hope you don't mine me doing the same thing.

Thanks,

Earl R.

You are welcome for the thread. I don't mind you trying the same thing. I had to narrow the ZR1 scoop four inches so it would not destroy the lines in the hood. Good luck. Send me pics of how it is going.

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FieroGT87 (earl-r@sbcglobal.net.disabled) MSG #354, 12-25-2003 01:22 PM
      Thanks Ski,

Well we started last night. The funny thing is before I read your post on how you actually did it I had measured the hood and scoop and decided 4" was about what needed to be cut out.

Heres the thread I started yesterday.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/036679.html

We are starting with the ZR1 scoop first then to the T-top. I need to get a 1/4" rivet gun first. The Rivet gun I have isn't big enough.

Scythe (webmaster@p2pforums.com) MSG #355, 12-26-2003 12:07 AM
      Ski, how many miles since you've bought your Fiero have you actually put on it?

malacite (marik_bathory@yahoo.com) MSG #356, 12-27-2003 01:38 AM
      hey ski,

i've got a question for you. where does the removable rear window go when it's removed?
does it just get tossed in the trunk, left at home or does it store up front like the sunroof glass would?

really curious.

one more thing...when you gonna paint it blue?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #357, 12-27-2003 11:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scythe:

Ski, how many miles since you've bought your Fiero have you actually put on it?

About 8,000 miles. It is not my daily driver. Currently my daily driver is a 99 Dodge Durango. (Good ski vehicle and can haul the Fiero if needed.) Longest trip I drove it was to Chicago and back to the Fierorama. The car seems to be under construction more than show ready so that keeps the miles down. I usually take the car to local cruise-ins every weekend during the summer.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #358, 12-27-2003 11:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by malacite:

hey ski,

i've got a question for you. where does the removable rear window go when it's removed?
does it just get tossed in the trunk, left at home or does it store up front like the sunroof glass would?

really curious.

Just toss it in the trunk???? Heck no. lol I made a removable rack under the hood to recieve the glass and hold it securely. Here is a picture of it setting in the support bars. There is black foam glued to the hood to gently hold the glass from bumping around while driving. The t-tops do not have the plastic piece to cover the AC stuff along the windshield. I really prefer to look with that piece in so I added it to my car. I used that piece to hold the metal supports. The metal supports have hard rubber pieces to keep the glass from moving on the bars.

 
quote
Originally posted by malacite:

hey ski,

one more thing...when you gonna paint it blue?




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #359, 12-27-2003 11:53 AM
     


With all these great mods just one question ski,.....what is next ??!!?


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #360, 12-29-2003 12:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


With all these great mods just one question ski,.....what is next ??!!?

Well, I have not started anything just yet. I need to drop the engine and hopefully find out where a squeal develops after it is hot. I am hoping that is the throw out bearing. I probably will do some more cleaning in the engine compartment at that time. If and when that is all done I have some body panels that need so touch up so they will be removed and sent to the painters. I then have an idea to modify the rocker panels so maybe I will get them done if the prototype is sucessful. This would be a mod I have never seen on any car before.



3.8 SC MSG #361, 01-09-2004 12:02 AM
      Hey Skitime,

I enjoyed the write-up on your Fiero. Truely amazing! I think I have found the engine swap for me. Hint the username. I have a few questions though. O.K. I have four questions.

1. On the flywheel, how much material was taken off?
2. Why the use of a 95 Bonneville computer?
3. How did you delete the automatic transmission program from the computer?
4. I notice the Fiero speedo on the manual transmission, in one of the photos. Is it actually wired and operating the Bonneville computer?

Thanks,
Don


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #362, 01-09-2004 08:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 3.8 SC:

Hey Skitime,

I enjoyed the write-up on your Fiero. Truely amazing! I think I have found the engine swap for me. Hint the username. I have a few questions though. O.K. I have four questions.

1. On the flywheel, how much material was taken off?
2. Why the use of a 95 Bonneville computer?
3. How did you delete the automatic transmission program from the computer?
4. I notice the Fiero speedo on the manual transmission, in one of the photos. Is it actually wired and operating the Bonneville computer?

Thanks,
Don

Thanks for the compliment. Answers:

1. I took the Camaro flywheel along with the Fiero flywheel and told the machinist to make the Camaro flywheel to match the distance from the crank surface to the flywheel surface of the Fiero flywheel. I never knew how much that actually was.

2. I had a friend that was great at reprogramming the 95 ECM which allowed me to eliminate the code crap not needed like the automatic trans stuff and the passkey, rev limiter, speed limiter. He custom burnt fuel maps for the car after taking readings while driving too.

3. See #2

4. The 95 Bonneville ECM actually does not need the speedo info except to turn on a light to tell you to change oil. I am running the speedo like it was stock but tapping off to feed the ECM. Seems to work just fine that way. When the meter is connected to the ECM the speed is reading about 1/4 the actual speed.



DjDraggin MSG #363, 01-18-2004 05:12 AM
      4 hours of my life have now slipped away (12am-4am).. thank you!! NO reallllly Thank you!! I think i even passed out a few times only to dream about my car with your mods! I remember chatting for a while at the 20th and really giving your car a good look over (only the rebodys got more time then your car) And even then I had no clue as to all you put into it (brake work, intercooler and cooling, the diff lighting effects I thought it was just strobes and under neon and so uch more) Well I'd love to say more and ask all sorts of questions but I've already punched the backspace way to many times in one post.. sleep now.. and thank you.

PS. it's your cars video as you leave the 20th that made me decide to dump my N* project in favor of the 3800SC!! what a sound.. so much more befitting for a Ferrari clone



FieroGT87 (earl-r@sbcglobal.net.disabled) MSG #364, 01-18-2004 06:40 AM
      Hey Eric you up still also

Ski's, JScotts and California Kids cars are the primary inspiration behind my GT. I have those threads on thier cars bookmarked so if I need a sudden dose of motivation, there it is.

Going with the 3.8S/C, cool I thought you would after the other night here at my house. I was talking with Tim (tesmith66) at lunch last Thuesday about engines(not my strong suit), about the 3.8 S/C and a 5.7 because I couldn't make up my mind. So what does Tim say, "buy another car and build one of each" LOL. Tim's got me thinking 4.9 now, but I don't know enough about the engine yet to decide. Close to straight bolt up from what I'm hearing, but it has a couple of short falls that I won't go into here.

Sorry for rambling all, I tend to do that.

Later

Earl

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #365, 01-18-2004 08:58 AM
     

You simply cannot read this thread and not have your energies begin flowing and be highly motivated by the end !

stuartlowery (stuart@texasfieros.com) MSG #366, 01-18-2004 08:13 PM
      I'm going to sneak a post in here to just say if you haven't downloaded Ski-Times document in word format you can do so HERE!



smartaxel (jamesdnye@gmail.com) MSG #367, 01-24-2004 09:38 PM
      WOW..... Is really all I can say about now

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #368, 01-24-2004 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by smartaxel:

WOW..... Is really all I can say about now

Thanks very much smartaxel




Red86SEautox MSG #369, 01-24-2004 10:50 PM
      So what are you working on now Ski? Anything new for the shows this year? Or is this just ski season


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #370, 01-24-2004 10:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Red86SEautox:

So what are you working on now Ski? Anything new for the shows this year? Or is this just ski season

Just ski season so far.



JKobra MSG #371, 03-04-2004 12:00 AM
      I know that that they completely changed the susupension for 88 but have you thought about impoving that in any way? Just curious because your car would look even meaner 1' lower.

BTW...YOUR CAR ROCKS!!!!

WingNut - MD (fiero25@sbcglobal.net) MSG #372, 03-04-2004 10:35 PM
      Ski are you going to have your car at Auburn and/or Norwalk this year? I'm planning on attending both and would like to see your car again.

goyal99 MSG #373, 03-26-2004 12:08 AM
      Great looking car and mods - Enjoy it in good health!

I know you've written so much already on just about every mod on your car....But can you possibly expand on what materials you used to create the window opening on top of the engine lid??? Is it plexiglass or something stronger?? How did you created the molding around the cover?? Everyone loves the visual effect of the glorious engine bay.

Best wishes - VK

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #374, 03-28-2004 03:54 AM
      that car is one kick a$$ machine. Great job ski

wriott (iott@pbworld.com) MSG #375, 03-28-2004 06:22 AM
      This thread is just like a great move, once you start watching it (or reading it) you just cant stop. I started a about midnight and i just now got done. Thank you Ski for this AWSOME thread. I love your car!!! Would you object on me using some of your ideas for use on my car?? You would recieve all the credit because, hey, you came up with it. Again great car.

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FieroJuice (fierojuice@gmail.com) MSG #376, 05-02-2004 07:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Just ski season so far.

Ski season is over, right? Any new history to add?

USFiero MSG #377, 05-19-2004 08:11 PM
      Ski, I've been eyeballin' those trans am vents that you put into the front fenders and I'd like to get more info on how to do that. You used I think SMC? how is that for smoothing seams and keeping it flexible? I'm putting some Thunderbird turbo hoodscoops on my hood, should I be using this for adheisive, then Fiberglass filler to smoothing it? should I mount it from the backside? I'm up for a breif education, or a new thread?

yeah, and this is a bump for a GREAT thread.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #378, 05-19-2004 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by USFiero:

Ski, I've been eyeballin' those trans am vents that you put into the front fenders and I'd like to get more info on how to do that. You used I think SMC? how is that for smoothing seams and keeping it flexible? I'm putting some Thunderbird turbo hoodscoops on my hood, should I be using this for adheisive, then Fiberglass filler to smoothing it? should I mount it from the backside? I'm up for a breif education, or a new thread?

yeah, and this is a bump for a GREAT thread.

Yes I used SMC two part epoxy urethane body repair material. I used that for the bonding then used flexible body filler for the smoothing out of the surfaces. The SMC sands well. I mounted it from the backside of the fender and created a new front surface edge. Thanks for the thread bump. I worry this will go into the archives.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #379, 05-19-2004 09:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wriott:

This thread is just like a great move, once you start watching it (or reading it) you just cant stop. I started a about midnight and i just now got done. Thank you Ski for this AWSOME thread. I love your car!!! Would you object on me using some of your ideas for use on my car?? You would recieve all the credit because, hey, you came up with it. Again great car.

Thanks for the compliment on the thread. Many have used my ideas and few give credit so use them I appreciate the credit.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #380, 05-19-2004 09:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by goyal99:

Great looking car and mods - Enjoy it in good health!

I know you've written so much already on just about every mod on your car....But can you possibly expand on what materials you used to create the window opening on top of the engine lid??? Is it plexiglass or something stronger?? How did you created the molding around the cover?? Everyone loves the visual effect of the glorious engine bay.

Best wishes - VK


The engine window has been a tranformation. It has been made about 5 times with 4 different materials. I found the only material that is a long term solution is custom made tempered glass. Not cheap but the best. The fiberglass edge was filed into a curve.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #381, 05-19-2004 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by WingNut - MD:

Ski are you going to have your car at Auburn and/or Norwalk this year? I'm planning on attending both and would like to see your car again.

Maybe the Auburn show but it would be a long shot since we are going away in the motorhome for 4 weeks in July.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #382, 05-19-2004 09:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JKobra:

I know that that they completely changed the susupension for 88 but have you thought about impoving that in any way? Just curious because your car would look even meaner 1' lower.

BTW...YOUR CAR ROCKS!!!!

I love the way the 88 rides and handles. With the neons and spoiler barely clearing my driveway and many curb ramps it would seem foolish to lower it. The new hood makes the car "mean" looking enough. lol



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #383, 05-19-2004 09:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Red86SEautox:

So what are you working on now Ski? Anything new for the shows this year?

Well, I have been busy with non-Fiero projects all winter. My poor Fiero was neglected. So it is time to work on the Fiero again. Especially since Carlisle is next week. I just finished reinstalling the hood and front fenders after having them repainted. Last summer my motorcycle fell over and cracked the left fender. Nobody was near the motorcycle and it was a week before the 20th show. The hood did not suit me so it was reworked and the right fender had a spot where the paint got mysteriously cracked about the size of a quarter. So with all that repaired, I wanted to at least add one new mod. About a year ago FieroGT87 was advertising embroidery Fiero emblems for shirts, hats, sweats and jackets.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/013886.html

I contacted him about an idea I had and asked him to keep it between us. I really appreciated that he did because I am sure everyone will want this mod. I just like being the first. Well after I first communicated with him, I was suppose to get in contact with Rodney Dickman and order new beechwood speaker cloth and send it to FieroGT87. Somehow I never got around to it. One day FieroGT87 said he had a package being sent to me. Low and behold he ordered the beechwood speaker cloth and embroidered the emblems for me as a favor. What a nice thing to do. I really appreciated it and never expected it. Pennocks people are the best! Well his work is awesome with great detail. Today I finally got around to installing them. Wow, do I love them. We want to do it immediately to our other 88GT. So the rest of you get in line. So here are pics of the results.


First shot shows my old faded speaker cover along side the new cover. Man were they faded. Funny how you don’t realize how faded they get.




Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #384, 05-20-2004 09:32 AM
      Ski. Ever think of doing a firebird interior? Your interior is prestine, but a firbird interior would take your car to yet another level.

Simply one of the most beutifull car out there and it's your own creative work. A+



Tina (2pieinthesky@msn.com) MSG #385, 05-20-2004 10:21 AM
      Just when you thought the limits are reached, ... Ski comes around and bumps it a notch higher.
Very nice

Tina

daniel87fierogt (dltraylor@hotmail.com) MSG #386, 06-02-2004 11:56 PM
      I tried contacting FieroGT87 about getting some of his speaker covers with the Pegusas emblem on it but he didnt respond to the PM i sent him. How do you think i can get a hold of him cause i seriously want a set of those speaker covers with the emblem on it? Heres a free bump for you to keep it alive



DjDraggin MSG #387, 06-03-2004 01:34 AM
      if Earls anything like me.. we're both head deep in our cars!! and he has a job,wife, kids and real people stuff I dont have...LOL!! Dont give up he'll get back to you soon.

fieroturbo (fieroturbo@yahoo.com) MSG #388, 06-13-2004 01:35 AM
      I'm sorry, but I think this picture is the greatest thing since sliced bread:



JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis@outlook.com) MSG #389, 06-17-2004 12:46 AM
      I have always admired your car, but never knew how much work was behind it. This is a great thread, once I started reading I just couldn't stop reading til' the end, and it was a great 3 hour read trust me, I loved every minute. A side note though, what is your rim/tire combo? I recently got 205/40/R17's and when I put them on it seemed like there was waaay too much space between the wheel and the wheelwell, your stance looks great and w/o a lowering kit too, I'm dying to know ur combo . Also, are you going to be at Wheatstock, would love to see the car in person.

Thank you so very much for this thread .
James



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #390, 06-17-2004 10:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JamesCurtis:

I have always admired your car, but never knew how much work was behind it. This is a great thread, once I started reading I just couldn't stop reading til' the end, and it was a great 3 hour read trust me, I loved every minute. A side note though, what is your rim/tire combo? I recently got 205/40/R17's and when I put them on it seemed like there was waaay too much space between the wheel and the wheelwell, your stance looks great and w/o a lowering kit too, I'm dying to know ur combo . Also, are you going to be at Wheatstock, would love to see the car in person.

Thank you so very much for this thread .
James

Thanks for the comments. Now the questions. I have 205/50/17s on the front so I retain the great steering over the earlier Fieros and I have 235/45/17s on the rear. The rear tires are burned off since the intercooler so I will be getting wider tires in the rear soon. With the spoiler and neons underneath it would be dumb to lower the car. I can barely get in my driveway now. Besides I love the ride of the 88s and don't want to hurt it. We will not be attending Wheatstock. Sorry



my pride (dogge@live.nl) MSG #391, 07-27-2004 04:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:




Well let me stop here and post this and I will try to work on it some more.

A hell of A Jop mate......looking good......some day I hope to have a fiero just like you


InDeX420 MSG #392, 07-27-2004 10:16 AM
      Hey Ski....just wanted to tell you that your GT has made its way onto my desktop...and anytime i want to show someone whose never seen a Fiero before I show them yours so they can see how really nice they can be...

Peace...


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #393, 08-20-2004 10:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by my pride:


A hell of A Jop mate......looking good......some day I hope to have a fiero just like you

Thanks man! Much appreciated.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #394, 08-20-2004 10:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by InDeX420:

Hey Ski....just wanted to tell you that your GT has made its way onto my desktop...and anytime i want to show someone whose never seen a Fiero before I show them yours so they can see how really nice they can be...

Peace...

Cool. If you let me know which picture you are using I could probably send you a high resolution version of it if I took the picture. Email me the pic so I know which one it is.



88_Fiero_2M4 (donpottorffjr@mail4drivers.com) MSG #395, 08-20-2004 10:29 PM
      Bump to add to favorites list.... Another Cool car.

88GTAL (aprice5@cogeco.ca) MSG #396, 08-20-2004 11:28 PM
      Hi Dave, I saw that your thread had floated back to the top.
I was wondering how the transmission was doing? Al


SOULCRUSHER (soulcrusher3800@aol.com) MSG #397, 08-20-2004 11:41 PM
      Ummm, what happened to the transmission?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #398, 08-20-2004 11:42 PM
      Well, I got the new transmission mounted on the engine today. (Taking 4 weeks vacation has slowed the process) I got to do an update to this tread to cover this.

SOULCRUSHER (soulcrusher3800@aol.com) MSG #399, 08-21-2004 10:54 PM
      A new transmission?? What happened to the old one? You didn't decide to come to the Darkside and install an auto?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #400, 08-21-2004 11:15 PM
      No, I got to add the story to the thread but in short my pressure plate came apart and broke a hole into the transmission bell housing. I got a replacement Getrag I am putting in.

Kameo Kid MSG #401, 08-21-2004 11:24 PM
      Was that the cause of the noise that you've had for sometime now?


edit: i own the page

[This message has been edited by Kameo Kid (edited 08-21-2004).]

summerjim (jim@fiero.net) MSG #402, 08-31-2004 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Does the thermostat work with coolant flowing the opposite direction through the Fiero thermostat housing?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #403, 08-31-2004 08:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by summerjim:


Does the thermostat work with coolant flowing the opposite direction through the Fiero thermostat housing?

Good question. I am only using the Fiero thermostat housing for a filler. The thermostat is still in the 3800 engine in the stock location.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #404, 08-31-2004 11:22 PM
     

Ski

Have you done or are you planning to do anything with your stock white 88 GT ??

Would you ever consider modding up a second car to the extent or beyond your red one ??

That is one sweet ride !

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #405, 09-01-2004 06:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Ski

Have you done or are you planning to do anything with your stock white 88 GT ??

Would you ever consider modding up a second car to the extent or beyond your red one ??

That is one sweet ride !

At this time the white GT remains stock, it is a good clean GT and even won first place at Carlisle in the Stock 88 GT class. I do sometime think of doing an engine conversion to it but keeping the stock look.



TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #406, 09-29-2004 03:25 PM
      Bump.... i came to take pictures for a mid engined Video



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #407, 09-29-2004 04:34 PM
      Cool send me copy if you can. Oh and thanks for the bump. I am always afraid this will be sent to the archives.

Kameo Kid MSG #408, 09-30-2004 09:46 PM
      someone was in need of you under car light design

free bump

Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #409, 09-30-2004 11:02 PM
      Well now that i finnally have an account here i must express my feelings towards this car... Its Amazing plain and simple. Ski you have no idea how much you influence some of the choices i make when im working on my car. (which is not to say im copying your car) however i picked the West Coast Fiero Tips right after i saw yours, they are truely awsome... Thanks Its been an awsome build up.



Ken86GT MSG #410, 10-01-2004 12:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

The Fiero is nearly perfectly flat from the bottom of the rocker panel to the opposite rocker panel. So how could I mount them with out them being seen? Some tuck the bulbs into a tight crevice right behind the rocker panel. The problem with this is that it creates a sharp cut off of the light instead of a soft glow across the ground. What I came up with worked out great. I bought some 1-½ wide aluminum straps. I remove the fasteners along the bottom of the rocker panel and mounted the long straps painted black along the length of the rocker panel.

This piece does two things. It blocks the view of the bulb and provides a “bumper” to help protect the bulb. Since the strap is black it is almost totally unnoticeable. Most people never see it unless I point it out and even then they always go over to see it close up. The side bulbs are mounted about 5 inches from the rocker panel. The rear bulb was easily mounted between the trunk compartment and the rear bumper skin.

Sorry I have had a real hard time getting good pictures of the car with the neon lights on.

Was wondering if your car is lowered at all and if it's safe to really drive it around with the lights underneath it.

I apologize if either of these questions have been answered, but I've been reading this post from start to page 5 for the past few hours and have been absolutely awestruck by your Fiero. I can honestly say yours is now my favorite because of your eye for perfection and skill to carry it out. I would love to one day see this beauty in person.

Thanks in advance.

WingNut - MD (fiero25@sbcglobal.net) MSG #411, 10-01-2004 06:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Have you done or are you planning to do anything with your stock white 88 GT ??
edit to fix quote tags

I learn something new here everyday.

I have got to see a pic of the White GT. Can you give us some details on the car? I know I'm a broken record on this, but keep that one stock since the red one is your toy.

[This message has been edited by WingNut - MD (edited 10-01-2004).]

fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #412, 10-01-2004 10:22 AM
      Dave, you going to be at tech day? If so, can you give me a ride, or is the tranny situation not fixed yet? I've yet to actually get a ride in it... or any non 2.8 v6 for that matter. Surely it would make my day/weekend.

Matt

TwoTimer (raycooper2@yahoo.com) MSG #413, 10-01-2004 11:18 AM
      Skitime I just wanted to say that your car is mind blowing and the time and attention to detail you have put into your car is great.
Ive been trying to figure out what engine swap to do and was leaning towards the 3.4 cause like you i want my car to look "stock"
but reading this thread and looking at your pics have made up my mind for sure. If someone didnt know better they would think that
your car came from the factory with that motor in it. Like i said its a great job!!


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #414, 10-01-2004 12:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Saber49:

Well now that i finnally have an account here i must express my feelings towards this car... Its Amazing plain and simple. Ski you have no idea how much you influence some of the choices i make when im working on my car. (which is not to say im copying your car) however i picked the West Coast Fiero Tips right after i saw yours, they are truely awsome... Thanks Its been an awsome build up.

Thanks for the kind words.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #415, 10-01-2004 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ken86GT:


Was wondering if your car is lowered at all and if it's safe to really drive it around with the lights underneath it.

I apologize if either of these questions have been answered, but I've been reading this post from start to page 5 for the past few hours and have been absolutely awestruck by your Fiero. I can honestly say yours is now my favorite because of your eye for perfection and skill to carry it out. I would love to one day see this beauty in person.
Thanks in advance.

My car is not lowered however most people that look at my car think it is. Probably because the front spoiler makes it appear lower. It does set slightly lower than our other stock 88 GT. Driveways certainly do cause a hazard. I did scrap the side metal I added to protect the lights and block the view of the lights but so far the lights are fine.

Thanks for the compliments. I too hope we meet someday.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 10-01-2004).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #416, 10-01-2004 12:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero go fast:

Dave, you going to be at tech day? If so, can you give me a ride, or is the tranny situation not fixed yet? I've yet to actually get a ride in it... or any non 2.8 v6 for that matter. Surely it would make my day/weekend.

Matt

Yes, I am planning to go to the tech day. I am modifiying some things on my engine while it was out so it is not on the road yet. Currently I am getting a ride with IronDuke 88 in his Fiero and Vonnie is driving her GT up when she gets off work so I am sorry but I can't give you a ride in my car this time.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #417, 10-01-2004 12:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TwoTimer:

Skitime I just wanted to say that your car is mind blowing and the time and attention to detail you have put into your car is great.
Ive been trying to figure out what engine swap to do and was leaning towards the 3.4 cause like you i want my car to look "stock"
but reading this thread and looking at your pics have made up my mind for sure. If someone didnt know better they would think that
your car came from the factory with that motor in it. Like i said its a great job!!

Thanks very much. You know sometimes I actually have to argue with non-FIero people at cruise-ins that my engine is not stock. Or they will say they did not know it ever came with a supercharger in a Fiero.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #418, 10-01-2004 12:28 PM
     
 
quote
[b]Originally posted by WingNut - MD:/[b]


I have got to see a pic of the White GT. Can you give us some details on the car? I know I'm a broken record on this, but keep that one stock since the red one is your toy.


WingNut that has been my attitude as well but somedays I look at it and think it could be an awesome sleeper with a V8 in it. Details on the car? It has been a daily driver until last summer. 98,000 miles. Vonnies car has won lots of trophies and probably the best one was First Place in a large "88GT only" class at Carlisle. It has factory 88 leather seats that I added seat heaters into them. The car is very clean but the white paint is getting tired.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 10-01-2004).]

flyboy367 (flyboy367@aol.com) MSG #419, 10-19-2004 10:29 AM
      i sent you a pm. unbelivable work man, it really looks awsome. i own a gtp and i do alot of work on 3800 engines for freinds. i have never seen anyone do the fuel rails like you did. if you have some more pics and its not to much trouble could you email them to me? im planning a l67 (3800 supercharged) swap into a 3rd gen camaro and i want to make it real mean but very showy under the hood. plus i dont feel like shelling out gobs of cash for the billit rails.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #420, 10-19-2004 11:04 AM
     

Man i almost wish somebody would just give Ski another fiero so we could watch him work his magic again !

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #421, 10-19-2004 01:55 PM
      im sure that someone has a fiero that they want to get rid of... i remember a few weeks/months back a few people were saying that they were giving them away or they were gone period.

[This message has been edited by TaurusThug (edited 10-19-2004).]

Sunflash (zachary.s.sherman@gmail.com) MSG #422, 10-28-2004 09:22 PM
      Thank you Skitime for taking the time and effort to post all that you have. I have spent all my free time during dinner and lunch breaks here at work reading it for the last three days. It may sound strange but you have givin me yet another wonderful image/reason to keep focused on my duties. With my upcoming deployment and a quickly deteriorating marriage seeing you car has revived my desire to build the fiero I alwase wanted since I gave mine to a freind in need when I left for basic a few years ago. Thank you so much for what you have given to everyone to see and enjoy and implement. Oh and if you couldn't tell I LOVE YOUR CAR!!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #423, 10-29-2004 06:49 AM
      You are very welcome and thank you for your reponse. I am honored to be the subject of your first post. Reactions like this make all the time and effort put in this thread worthwile.

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #424, 11-04-2004 01:08 PM
      keeping it out of the archvies....

NotGonnaLose2Rice (jaydonovan82@comcast.net) MSG #425, 11-11-2004 01:25 AM
      You are truly taleneted! You have given me so many ideas. Keep up the good work and keep posting.

John Boelte (johnboelte@yahoo.com) MSG #426, 11-14-2004 02:23 PM
      Great write up Ski! I was looking for some info on a 3800 swap and got sooo much more! I'd also like to thank the guy (sorry, I forgot your name!) who put it all into a HUGE word document and made available to download; good job and thank you. It's amazing that this thread has been around for so long!

VISCERAL (patnap71@gmail.com) MSG #427, 11-14-2004 09:04 PM
      Where did you get that 4" rubber hose from? Thanks.


 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


My new air intake tube is awesome. It is heavy rubber with a steel coil inside to prevent collapse.

The custom rubber hose is so much better than PVC or metal. It reduces the heat transferred to the inside and does not transmit vibrations.

And here is the competed view through the engine-viewing window. The supercharger sure looks sweeter being 2 1/4 inches closer to the glass.

The last thing I have done was change the stock fuel pump to the 1989 Turbo Trans Am fuel pump. It will allow the pump to keep up with the higher demand of this engine.


So this is up to date I believe. Yes I still got lots of plans for the car. I need to get it dialed in with a new ECM chip burned for this engine setup. I have a few other ideas I might develop. I am planning to go to the 20th Anniversary Show and hope to meet lots of new people. Please stop by and check it out. Let me know what you think.




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #428, 11-14-2004 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotGonnaLose2Rice:

You are truly taleneted! You have given me so many ideas. Keep up the good work and keep posting.

 
quote
Originally posted by John Boelte:

Great write up Ski! I was looking for some info on a 3800 swap and got sooo much more! I'd also like to thank the guy (sorry, I forgot your name!) who put it all into a HUGE word document and made available to download; good job and thank you. It's amazing that this thread has been around for so long!

Thanks , I appreciate your comments.

 
quote
Originally posted by VISCERAL:

Where did you get that 4" rubber hose from? Thanks.

I have a supplier for them. They are very expensive ($100 + shipping) but are the best thing for this application. I have not checked with the supplier for months to see if they would still be available.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 11-14-2004).]

BlueGT MSG #429, 11-14-2004 10:41 PM
      The amazing Skitime thread lives on!



FieroVision (yankeefan2004@optonline.net) MSG #430, 11-27-2004 06:19 PM
      Poppa don't preach .. I've made up my mind ..I’m keeping my Fiero. lol Well after looking over this post, your car, and a few others ....I'm going to continue fixing up my first Fireo. I was going to just drive it for a few months while saving some $$$ and then buy a new G35 coupe.

But you got me sooooo tuned up .. I have to go with my dreams of building my own sweet ride. I was into restoring cars a bunch of years back. I did a ground up restore on a 67 Conv't Camaro and a 68 Firebird. I then got into bikes, and did some monster work on 4 bikes I had. I gave up my rented 3 car garage, sold off a lot of tools and shop stuff... and hung up my wrench.

Being very creative kills the bank account ... and I guess I'll go broke again with this new toy. I now know I bought the wrong car to start with. So, I'm just gunna get this one in good running order, and then buy an 88 notch. I want AC, power windows, locks, mirrors, & cruise. So, for now I'll just make this my reg. driver. I only go 3 miles both ways to work. .. You have one sweet ride there .... I thank you and all the others who give so much help to people on this forum, looking for ideas and help. .. Best of luck with your baby ... Look out !!! I'll be in a few shows some time soon ... now I have to get a garage damn you!!!


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #431, 11-27-2004 09:46 PM
      Glad I could help.......I think. Keep up posted on your progress.

summerjim (jim@fiero.net) MSG #432, 12-07-2004 08:36 PM
     

What's keeping the heater core feed elbow from just popping out of the intake? Do you have a retaining clip or something to hold it in?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #433, 12-07-2004 10:08 PM
      Yep

summerjim (jim@fiero.net) MSG #434, 12-08-2004 12:43 AM
      Could you post a picture of it and how it mounts? Thanks Dave

84Fiero2M4 (darkstarcrx13@dogracing.20fr.com) MSG #435, 12-21-2004 09:41 AM
      I love your car Skitime, you are a inspiration to us all!



DotTC MSG #436, 02-03-2005 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 84Fiero2M4:

I love your car Skitime, you are a inspiration to us all!


Amen.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #437, 02-17-2005 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 84Fiero2M4:

I love your car Skitime, you are a inspiration to us all!

Your and DotTC comments are much appreciated. Thanks for the bump too. Hate to see this thread go to archives.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #438, 02-18-2005 06:21 PM
      This thread is in my favorites and Im sure it is also in others too, ski!

You arent going to be arc'ed. John



AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #439, 03-27-2005 04:01 AM
      I'm jealous.

Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #440, 03-27-2005 04:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AaronZ34:

I'm jealous.


I think we all are.



BlueGT MSG #441, 03-28-2005 04:06 PM
      You've done so much to your car, I have to go back and search through this thread to remember what you did. You have one very nice vehicle! What rims are you using again?


edit: Woohoo!! I own page 12 !!!


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #442, 03-28-2005 04:41 PM
      They are Prime Model 705.



1987bluegt (albschroer@aol.com) MSG #443, 03-30-2005 04:19 AM
      hey ski dont know if your still here or not but two things BEAUTIFUL CAR and would you mind if i did a engine wiewing glass on my car

thank for the great thread
travis


BlueGT MSG #444, 03-30-2005 10:23 PM
      Thanks Ski! I've looked through a lot of different rims, but I keep coming back to the wheels on yours.



stimpy (jefferystillwell@_sbcglobal.net) MSG #445, 03-31-2005 12:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1987bluegt:

would you mind if i did a engine wiewing glass on my car

So it's come to this? Is there a licensing fee?

1987bluegt (albschroer@aol.com) MSG #446, 03-31-2005 01:36 AM
      no it was he is the origonator of the idea to put one on the fiero so i did not no if it was one of those things hed like to keep for shows or if he minded me doing also

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #447, 03-31-2005 07:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1987bluegt:

hey ski dont know if your still here or not but two things BEAUTIFUL CAR and would you mind if i did a engine wiewing glass on my car

thank for the great thread
travis

As I said many times before, I don't mind people copying my ideas as long as the give proper credit for the idea. For some that seems to be a hard thing to do. There are 2 Fieros that I know of now that have the engine window.



stimpy (jefferystillwell@_sbcglobal.net) MSG #448, 03-31-2005 11:06 AM
      People in the import scene had been doing viewing windows in their hoods for years before that. Could it by that it is a "Duoc Tran Nguyen" window?

There's nothing new under the sun.

Fiero5 MSG #449, 03-31-2005 11:51 AM
      In the spring after it rains and then the sun comes out we get new flowers. So yes, there can be new things under the sun many times
Stimpy, I think the point here was that Skitime was the first to do it on a Fiero


Haagster MSG #450, 05-15-2005 10:37 AM
      Keeping it alive (since Carlisle is next weekend)...

Kameo Kid MSG #451, 05-15-2005 04:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stimpy:

People in the import scene had been doing viewing windows in their hoods for years before that. Could it by that it is a "Duoc Tran Nguyen" window?

There's nothing new under the sun.

this wasn't import scene inspired, it was taken from a import "Ferrari" but i think that was mentioned

Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #452, 05-15-2005 07:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


As I said many times before, I don't mind people copying my ideas as long as the give proper credit for the idea. For some that seems to be a hard thing to do. There are 2 Fieros that I know of now that have the engine window.

im not sure but shouldn't proper credit for that particular idea on your particular car be given to ferrari... if i remeber correctly it was inspired by a ferrari wasn ' it?


Hairy_Fiero MSG #453, 05-15-2005 07:26 PM
      .

[This message has been edited by Hairy_Fiero (edited 05-16-2005).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #454, 05-15-2005 08:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Saber49:


im not sure but shouldn't proper credit for that particular idea on your particular car be given to ferrari... if i remeber correctly it was inspired by a ferrari wasn ' it?


Guess you have not read this thread before. Page 1 of this thread I give credit for the Ferrari idea and even post pictures of the Ferrari. Sure are a lot a ???? people out there that love to take shots at me.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #455, 05-15-2005 08:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hairy_Fiero:

No he wasn't. There's a black 88GT somewhere around Michigan that was at the Michigan Fiero show 4-5 years ago with a flushmounted window in the decklid so you could see the LT1.

Interesting. In all the years I had this mod and thousands and thousands of views of this mod on my Fiero suddenly someone says that someone somewhere had this before. Pics?



Blacktree (m.blacktree@gmail.com) MSG #456, 05-15-2005 11:05 PM
      Someone trying to claim "prior art"... LOL.

Saber49 (saber61@hotmail.com) MSG #457, 05-15-2005 11:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Guess you have not read this thread before. Page 1 of this thread I give credit for the Ferrari idea and even post pictures of the Ferrari. Sure are a lot a ???? people out there that love to take shots at me.

Well i read your entire thread and your car is my inspiration... sorry you feel ive insulted you. but i guess i can't really change that can i. If i upset you im sorry. It really is a nice car.... and i do realize that you gave credit. maybe i worded my last post wrong...

El Guapo (fearcity2772@aol.com) MSG #458, 05-16-2005 02:55 AM
      Unbelievable car ! You are a very talented and skilled craftsman. I am a new guy to the forum and seeing this thread has been an incredible inspiration. My Fiero is in need of some work at the moment and since I am going to machinist's school for the Army for 13 weeks, it will be at least September before it's back on the road. Hopefully I see you at Carlisle if I make it, but if I don't maybe I will spend some time cruising around Akron hoping to catch a glimpse ! Great car, man, and keep up the good work!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #459, 05-16-2005 06:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by El Guapo:

Unbelievable car ! You are a very talented and skilled craftsman. I am a new guy to the forum and seeing this thread has been an incredible inspiration. My Fiero is in need of some work at the moment and since I am going to machinist's school for the Army for 13 weeks, it will be at least September before it's back on the road. Hopefully I see you at Carlisle if I make it, but if I don't maybe I will spend some time cruising around Akron hoping to catch a glimpse ! Great car, man, and keep up the good work!

Thanks. You are welcome to stop over and visit. PM me when you got some time. Good luck in machinist school.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 05-16-2005).]

Rborecky (rborecky@mindspring.com) MSG #460, 05-16-2005 04:47 PM
      The problem that arises sometimes Ski is like in my case. I was new to the 3800 SC swaps but found allot of the ideas I used were your original ideas. I didn't find this out until I got into a longer conversation near completion and was told this. Loyde made sure I knew things were your Idea after I talked with him a bit. So sometimes it is a case of things being passed on off of the forum and in a garage.
I will know personally thank you for your ideas and effort you worked with to make my swap allot easier. Keep up the good work. Rick B


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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #461, 05-16-2005 04:52 PM
      Thanks Rick, that is much appreciated. Great shot of your car too.

jscott1 MSG #462, 05-16-2005 05:22 PM
      Skitime has long been an inspiration to me too. I always refer to my front chin spoiler as the Lawrence/Skitime spoiler. Now my rear chin spoiler, that was my Idea...

nobigtoe (bigtoe@midsouth.rr.com) MSG #463, 05-17-2005 08:52 PM
      this is the oldest ative thread i have ever sean on any board

i started in feb 2003 and its may 2005

jscott1 MSG #464, 05-18-2005 02:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by nobigtoe:

this is the oldest ative thread i have ever sean on any board

I think it's a reflection on the greatness of Skitime's car that his thread has been active that long. And it's also a reflection of how much this forum has grown...each new generation reads these older threads and keeps them active. My Firebird dash thread is still active from 2002.

Kameo Kid MSG #465, 05-18-2005 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:
I think it's a reflection on the greatness of Skitime's car that his thread has been active that long. And it's also a reflection of how much this forum has grown...each new generation reads these older threads and keeps them active. My Firebird dash thread is still active from 2002.

naaahh.... Ski just keeps bumping it out before it goes into the archives


all Kidding aside, the lil red GT that Skitime has built has spurred on a lot of followers that seen what can be done to the Fiero and done in good taste.


My7Fieros MSG #466, 06-09-2005 12:34 AM
      No archives for this thread! Here's a bump for ya.....and yes, I just read this entire thread..........................................again!

ohio86se (rick44314@gmail.com) MSG #467, 07-08-2005 10:37 PM
      ski,

as far as the acc tensioner. i too have modified the alum 3800sc bracket to recieve a tensioner. how much matl did you take off of bracket to create a flat surface for the tensioner. i currently have about .125 of the ribs remaining but im not convinced that the mounting surface is square to insure proper belt alignment. could you adise me on this?

thanks,



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #468, 07-09-2005 09:27 AM
      ohio86se, I replied to your email. Hope it helps.


Clint (clintn@mtpisgah.net) MSG #469, 07-23-2005 11:14 PM
      Hey Cool! I just found your thread and was going through it, and guess what!?!

I found my kids in one of your pictures! (Blue and gray jackets, boy and girl)
-clint


ghostle1 (ghostle13@yahoo.com) MSG #470, 07-24-2005 01:26 AM
      I've only been around this forum for a short time. I also belong to f-body.com, owning 2 trans ams and a z-28. You are a very talented man with super visions. I have 2 fieros i'm working on now and I would like to thank you for sharing all your ideas and knowledge with us. This is the first time I've seen this thread and it will take me some time to read and digest it. Thanks.



HI-TECH (centralvalley606@yahoo.com) MSG #471, 08-02-2005 12:22 AM
      skitime awsome freakin job man...took me 2 days to read it all and it was well worth it..got them gears turning in my head lol...awsome car and an awsome build

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #472, 08-19-2005 08:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HI-TECH:

skitime awsome freakin job man...took me 2 days to read it all and it was well worth it..got them gears turning in my head lol...awsome car and an awsome build

Just got back from a 4 week vacation. Thanks for the compliments.



AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #473, 08-22-2005 08:42 AM
      So what's planned for this season Dave?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #474, 09-09-2005 11:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

So what's planned for this season Dave?

Well, I do have an engine power adding item I have designed. Just trying to decide if I should protect the concept. So far it appears patentable but patents cost big bucks. Any patent attorneys here?



Sunflash (zachary.s.sherman@gmail.com) MSG #475, 09-15-2005 12:46 PM
      Looking back its been almost a year since my first post and it was to this thread. Now the marriage is over and the deployment is where I am at but Loyd shoud soon start to build my l67 monster once we get the final details worked out. Thank you again for giving so much to the fiero community and to me personaly. -Zack-

ToddCaster (toddcaster1977@hotmail.com) MSG #476, 10-02-2005 01:49 AM
      Wow What a story
Thanks For sharing all of your knowledge
Todd


FastFieros (fastfieros@fastfieros.com) MSG #477, 10-02-2005 02:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sunflash:

Looking back its been almost a year since my first post and it was to this thread. Now the marriage is over and the deployment is where I am at but Loyd shoud soon start to build my l67 monster once we get the final details worked out. Thank you again for giving so much to the fiero community and to me personaly. -Zack-


Hey Zack,

Look forward to building you a 3800SC engine package.

Good luck in Iraq !

Loyde
http://www.fastfieros.com



timwdegner MSG #478, 11-20-2005 12:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Well, I do have an engine power adding item I have designed. Just trying to decide if I should protect the concept. So far it appears patentable but patents cost big bucks. Any patent attorneys here?

Bump—gotta keep it alive!

Ski, did you decide what to do about this yet? Sorry if you mentioned it in another thread, but I'm wondering what this item is that you've designed. Any updates on the car? Great thread! *thumbs up*

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #479, 11-20-2005 08:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timwdegner:


Bump—gotta keep it alive!

Ski, did you decide what to do about this yet? Sorry if you mentioned it in another thread, but I'm wondering what this item is that you've designed. Any updates on the car? Great thread! *thumbs up*

Thanks for bumping the thread. I was getting worried it was going to go to archives. I have not been doing anything with this mod for a long time. Lost the motivation to go the legal route and been busy doing other things. Hence the stand still. I am hoping to have it done before Carlisle this year.



Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #480, 11-20-2005 12:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Thanks for bumping the thread. I was getting worried it was going to go to archives. I have not been doing anything with this mod for a long time. Lost the motivation to go the legal route and been busy doing other things. Hence the stand still. I am hoping to have it done before Carlisle this year.


Best bet is to market it, forget the patent. The patent just gives you the right to sue people that copy your product and that costs megabucks. You will spend the rest of your life in court and your patent will most likely be busted anyways. Spend the money on marketing instead and enjoy the time period before the market gets swamped with slight variants(or exact copies) of your concept if it becomes popular.


MstangsBware (stephen_p38@yahoo.com) MSG #481, 11-20-2005 06:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Well, I do have an engine power adding item I have designed. Just trying to decide if I should protect the concept. So far it appears patentable but patents cost big bucks. Any patent attorneys here?

If you have invented a power adder(that actually makes HP) to add to the 3800 that hasnt been found yet, then you have something. I cant think of anything that isnt on the market already that covers all major and even minor upgrades to the 3800. Will be insteresting to see what it is and see the dyno numbers from before and after the MOD.



AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #482, 11-21-2005 02:11 AM
      4 valve heads.



JaxDomino MSG #483, 12-07-2005 09:19 PM
      I am not sure if this was disgused, but Ski, what typ of paint is that? I have a red Fiero that I want to paint, but that paint looks so damn good I gotta have it. I don't want the same color as I am looking at a Ford color that I love. It's called Toredo Red, I had it on a car I owned awhile back. Can you tell me who the paint manufacturer is and what type of paint it is. I don't know if paint has model numbers or not.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #484, 12-07-2005 09:47 PM
      The paint is the factory bright red. It has three coats of clear on top. I have mentioned before that the orginal factory red paint tends to darken with time so many do not think mine is the factory color. I had a faded red 86 GT with orginal red paint. Setting beside my 88 GT one would say that the two were definitely not the same color but if you opened the 86 GTs hood the paint underneath the hood was a match to my 88 GT.



Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #485, 12-08-2005 01:23 AM
      I just spent the last 7 hours reading and rereading this thread. Simply FANTASTIC!!!! Some of the most beautiful detail work that I have ever seen!
I haven't been on this forum for long and I am sorry that I wasn't able to follow this thread from the beginning. This thread gives me the chance to dream of how my 88 might look and things that I can do to enhance the natural beauty of my Fiero. I have been a Fiero owner since 1986. I am now rebuilding an 88 from the ground up and I am planning on doing some mods to it. The style will be my own but inspired from others on this Forum and alot by you Ski. Thanks for the enjoyment.

Fiero1Fan (Timo)

Spektyr MSG #486, 12-08-2005 05:42 AM
      Aw man... I got rid of my Fiero (and even my driver's license) years ago - thought I was over my Fiero addiction enough to risk a look around here.

Now I've got to correct both of those. Only problem is that I've become a writer, which means the fiance/wife will have to be convinced that I "need" to buy the car.

*sigh*

Absolutely phenomenal car. Seriously, that thing should be the "poster car" for all Fiero-dom. If I get rich and famous could I hire you to build me a custom Fiero? (just kidding, I'm sure you've got better things to do)

I'm at a loss. Your car represents the very spirit any one bitten by the Fiero bug has had, looking at their car and dreaming of completing the vision Pontiac abandoned nearly two decades ago. I can't think of any Fiero I've ever seen that I covet more. The fact that you've done all the work yourself just widens the gap further.

JaxDomino MSG #487, 12-08-2005 10:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Spektyr:

Aw man... I got rid of my Fiero (and even my driver's license) years ago - thought I was over my Fiero addiction enough to risk a look around here.

Now I've got to correct both of those. Only problem is that I've become a writer, which means the fiance/wife will have to be convinced that I "need" to buy the car.

*sigh*

Absolutely phenomenal car. Seriously, that thing should be the "poster car" for all Fiero-dom. If I get rich and famous could I hire you to build me a custom Fiero? (just kidding, I'm sure you've got better things to do)

I'm at a loss. Your car represents the very spirit any one bitten by the Fiero bug has had, looking at their car and dreaming of completing the vision Pontiac abandoned nearly two decades ago. I can't think of any Fiero I've ever seen that I covet more. The fact that you've done all the work yourself just widens the gap further.

I am in total agreement! This is what most Fiero owners only dare dream about!



Spektyr MSG #488, 12-10-2005 06:51 PM
      *bump* Was much too close to the bottom of the last page.

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #489, 01-10-2006 04:16 PM
      Seems like there are a bunch of new guys/gals on the forum, so raising this from below to the top!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #490, 01-10-2006 04:48 PM
      Fiero1Fan, VSpektyr and JaxDomino, I just want to thank you all for your comments. I really do appreciate it. F-I-E-R-O thanks for the bump. Always afraid this thread is going to go to archives.



BITBYFIEROBUG MSG #491, 01-10-2006 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 84se-Stock:

What a spectacular piece of work your car is. I was amazed that someone could something so out-of-this-world with a car which stock looks unlike anything else on the road. I got a chuckle when I came across the pictures of Anthony's (Jelly2m8) and Lori's (Blackie2m8) cars and garage...as my friend and I have gone to him already for parts for his fiero and I work for the same company as Lori. It just goes to show that it's a small world.

Anyway...my question to you is have you kept track of the amount of money you have put into your project? I'm interested to know how much this journey has cost you (understanding that you did most of the work yourself).

Good Lord...this thread has been going on for a long time. I just found one of my posts from back when I was 84se-Stock. You must be doing something right Ski to have a thread last this long.



Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #492, 01-10-2006 05:32 PM
      Skitime, what do you have planned next? More on the same beautiful car or a different one?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #493, 01-10-2006 06:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:

Skitime, what do you have planned next? More on the same beautiful car or a different one?

I have some ideas to develop the right side air intake side vent for a project I am developing.



Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #494, 01-10-2006 06:58 PM
      Excellent. More good posts on the thread to look forward to.



Deabionni (deabionni@gmail.com) MSG #495, 01-19-2006 12:18 AM
      I just found this thread in some of my old bookmarks. I forgot how good of a build up this was.

Great job Skitime, and thanks for the great documentation.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #496, 02-04-2006 11:02 AM
     

Everybody should read this thread once every couple months just for inspiration !

It really gets the old motivation flowing !



Earl-R (earl-r@sbcglobal.net) MSG #497, 02-04-2006 12:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Everybody should read this thread once every couple months just for inspiration !

It really gets the old motivation flowing !

Isn't that the truth. Dave's thread on his car inspired me more than most can know. Heck I even copied a few things he did to his car and put them on mine, like the ZR1 hood scoop and the T/A vents.

Yep, I visit once in a while to get me going again.



kwagner MSG #498, 04-08-2006 02:58 PM
      Just say no to archiving
Just re-read through this whole thread. Excellent info, documenting, pics, and ideas ski
Lookin forward to hearing more about this power adder of yours, too


davikan (davikan@gmail.com) MSG #499, 04-08-2006 04:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

In August of 2000, I was thinking of getting a sports car again. Since I was able to drive I had always been into fast cars. After looking into getting a Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4, I decided that I could not afford one. Needless to say, my insurance company was not thrilled about it either.
I had an 87 Fiero GT from 87 to 91 and decided to get one again. The 87 GT I had then was a summer project for me. I am a technology education teacher in a high school. I was looking for a project to spend the summer working on. I found a rebuildable wrecked 1987 GT in mid 1987 and the car only had 2000 miles on it and was still under factory waranty. It was sweet with all options including the rare suede tan leather seats and looked much like this one. I kept the car till 91 when my two daughters were too big to strap in side by side.

In my search to find one again, I looked up information about Fieros on the Internet. I found out by luck the Fiero Dutch Classic show was going to be happening in two days and was only 10 miles from my house. Vonnie and I attended the show just to see them. I saw Jeff Dedays car, which was a mint 88 red GT t-top. It was the first t-top I had ever seen. I didn’t know they were even made. Here is a picture of Jeff with his low mileage sweet 88 GT. It had only 6000 miles on it at the time. I knew that was the model of car I wanted. Finding a good red 88 GT T-TOP is not an easy thing to do and it took months of looking.

That day at the show Vonnie also decided she wanted an 88 GT. She found hers first, a sweet 88 GT she bought in September.

After looking at hundreds of Fiero photos I was determined to get a red 88 GT T-Top with the beechwood interior and gold wheels. I found one listed for sale in the Michigan Fiero club website. I emailed the person and they sent several emails some with pictures including this one.

I had a long phone conversation with someone that obviously knew a lot about Fieros. He told me that he was selling it for a woman in town that had the car for a long time. I was told it was in rough condition with only 66,000 miles on it. Well I know this picture does not look too bad but it needed a lot of work. The paint was fair but had been poorly repainted on the nose, left front fender and drivers door. The interior was very dirty and dingy from a heavy smoker. It was so heavily smoked in I had to disassemble the gauges to clean the white numbers because they were brown. The tires needed replaced, and the pin stripe had to go. Rocker panels and quarter windows needed replaced. The T-top weather stripping needed replaced in addition to the driver’s door panel and front fender. The car had been driven daily in Indiana year round. I decided to get the car sight unseen for a fair price.
I hopped a Greyhound bus for an all night trip from PA to Indiana. After a grueling 10-hour bus ride, a great guy, Chris Moore, met me at the bus depot in Fort Wayne, Indiana. At this point in my Fiero life I had not shown a car, and was unaware who Chris was. Well you could imagine my reaction when we went inside the garage seen in the above photo. Inside were three, yes three, red 88 GT t-tops. Chris also had his Northstar convertible but he made me promise not to mention it since he wanted to surprise the Fiero world with it that spring. Also he had his other awesome Northstar Fiero as well as his brother’s cool Fiero in the garage. Unfortunately the car I was buying was the worst one in the garage but I was inspired to change that. After taking care of the title, I started driving it home.
After 50 miles I needed to stop for gas and when I drove away I noticed the automatic trans slipped. Later while stopping for a turnpike toll both I noticed it slipped a lot. I stopped and checked the trans fluid and none registered on the dipstick. Yikes! I filled it up and had to stop every 1/2 tank and refill it. Now I was doing this during my Christmas vacation so wouldn't you know it, Great Lakes effect snows started blowing real hard. The Fiero was all over the road and I was only able to follow a tractor-trailer tire tracks because the snow was getting a few inches deep. Well after about 12 hours of driving I got home and the car was totally white from road salt. It had a front manifold leak so I tried to fix it and of course the bolt broke so the second day it was home the engine/trans/cradle were on the floor. I figured it was a perfect time to detail the engine compartment, engine, cradle and suspension. I spent two evenings sitting inside the engine compartment cleaning everything. Vonnie worked hard on detailing the suspension and cradle for me. The leaking automatic transmission leak was also repaired with a new pan gasket.



davikan (davikan@gmail.com) MSG #500, 04-08-2006 04:29 PM
      Sorry, everyone, I meant to post this (Cliff, can I delete that last post?):

 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

I saw Jeff Dedays car, which was a mint 88 red GT t-top. It was the first t-top I had ever seen. I didn’t know they were even made. Here is a picture of Jeff with his low mileage sweet 88 GT. It had only 6000 miles on it at the time. I knew that was the model of car I wanted. Finding a good red 88 GT T-TOP is not an easy thing to do and it took months of looking.

I am EXTREMELY proud (and lucky) to say that this beauty now lives with ME!



RWDPLZ MSG #501, 06-08-2006 10:32 PM
      Keeping it out of the archives



Mr.Chipps (ih1940hay@gmail.com) MSG #502, 06-10-2006 01:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

I use a skid cut to the size of the cradle. I mount a inexpensive set of refrigerator rollers to the skid. On smooth concrete you can easily slide the assembly in any direction with the engine on it. It sure works great. I only need one floor jack and two jack stands to remove an engine. I roll it out the side usually so I don’t have to have the car up very high.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-08-2003).]


A really super, well planned and exicuted car.

So you can get the car high enough just with a floor jack, and you don't need a cherry picker hoist?

Thanks for all the details you have shared.

Hager



Greg Z (gregzelinski@yahoo.net) MSG #503, 06-11-2006 01:02 PM
      keep up the good work!



DotTC MSG #504, 08-03-2006 02:11 AM
      bump

Alex4mula (torres_a@hotmail.com) MSG #505, 08-03-2006 09:59 AM
      Damn! Three+ years and still alive!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #506, 09-07-2006 05:09 PM
      Thanks for the comments and bumps, guys!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #507, 11-06-2006 10:24 PM
     

a bump to keep ski alive,..heheh or at least his thread.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #508, 01-01-2007 09:48 PM
     

Seems to be a lot of newbies coming onboard.

Read up and enjoy.


MsBeth (beth@boomtastic.com) MSG #509, 01-01-2007 10:19 PM
      Wow SKITIME... I can't believe this is still going. Happy Holidays to you and Vonnie! We have missed you guys a lot, it's great to catch up on what's been going on since we've been "away" from the forum.



wriott (iott@pbworld.com) MSG #510, 02-07-2007 01:10 PM
      one more bump... wow its just like a good book, i have read it before but once you start agian you cant stop... wow its past lunch... its been 4 hours.... ahhhh ski you going to kill me ok im done for now... if only i can stop typing.... now to go and get caugt up on the dirty rat... ohhh boy im hooked, can someone help me??? maybe turn off the computer.....

lovethemPF (pokinaround12@aol.com) MSG #511, 02-18-2007 11:47 AM
      bumppp


Icelander (whit@dubhlinn.com) MSG #512, 03-02-2007 01:25 PM
      I've been reading this thread for days now while I am waiting for software builds to complete.
It has made me want to quit my job so that I can work on my '85 2M4 full time. (Gotta win that lottery or find a patron!)

Bumping it outa archives.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #513, 03-02-2007 09:22 PM
      Well, it has been a long time since I added anything to my car. I did a small fairly insignificant addition this winter so let me add it to the thread. I was playing around (Modding) with my Pontiac Vibe and it lead to a mod on my GT. I added a Homelink opener from a donor car sunvisor to my Vibe. Homelink is a permanently wired garage door opener that can "learn" to control three devices. I am sure that there are already people that made this type of mod to their Fiero since it is so easy and less expensive then even buying a replacement garage door opener. Simply get a visor with a Homelink control, remove the control from the visor, cut hole in new location for Homelink, connect two wires, put on the bezel.



[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 03-02-2007).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #514, 03-02-2007 09:23 PM
      I liked the Homelink so much that I decided to do it to my GT. I even bought a visor type Homelink that matched the 88 GT Beechwood interior. I was not thrilled to think about dropping the T-Top headliner to do the install so I then I started studying the different Homelink modules available on Ebay. I decided to take a chance and buy a console type I thought looked like I could make it work. This model is from a Cadillac Seville, Deville, or a Eldorado overhead console control. My plan was to install it on the cigarette lighter panel. After I received it I could not believe my luck. The cigarette lighter panel has an angled surface and so did the homelink control and the angle was an almost perfect match. To prepare for the install I removed the center Fiero console and relocated the service plug behind the panel. Then I cut a hole the shape of the Homelink control in the Fiero bezel. (Center hole is for the alarm warning light)





[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 03-02-2007).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #515, 03-02-2007 09:25 PM
     



That was it. Connected the ground wire and a constant hot wire then program the unit. You can wire it with a key-on hot wire if you are worried about extra security. Now I don't have to worry about a stolen opener during car shows and cruises. It never fails that when I came home from an event I could not find where the garage door opener was hidden. It works even better than the original opener with greater range and I don't have to worry about a dead expensive remote opener battery.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 03-02-2007).]

Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #516, 03-02-2007 10:46 PM
      Really nice. Looks like it belongs there. I've been thinking of doing something along the same lines so thanks for the tip on the Cadillac unit.

Spektyr MSG #517, 03-02-2007 10:50 PM
      This thread really ought to be put somewhere permanent. It (and several others) deserve to be immortalized prominently as examples of what Fieros can become.

Toaster_Man (jon.saale@gmail.com) MSG #518, 03-02-2007 11:28 PM
      Did you remove the ALDL during the 3800 install? It looks like it should be interfering with the homelink module.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #519, 03-03-2007 06:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Toaster_Man:

Did you remove the ALDL during the 3800 install? It looks like it should be interfering with the homelink module.



No it is still under there. If I did not have that alarm light in the middle of that panel I could of just moved it over to the center of the cigarette lighter panel. It is now located near the stock ECM location. If I had a spare cigarette lighter panel I probably would of moved it over and relocated the alarm light.



Paulv (paulvargyas@comcast.net) MSG #520, 03-07-2007 05:37 PM
      Dave, I remember your car well at Fierorama and at the 20th. Hope you can come to another Fierorama someday! Just read the whole build up thread. Very interesting to read about your workmanship and well thought out improvements. Had you ever considered expanding the glass rear decklid area to encompass the area where the vents are? Did you calculate that by removing the center rib, the flex would be too great for the tempered glass?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #521, 03-07-2007 05:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Paulv:

Dave, I remember your car well at Fierorama and at the 20th. Hope you can come to another Fierorama someday! Just read the whole build up thread. Very interesting to read about your workmanship and well thought out improvements. Had you ever considered expanding the glass rear decklid area to encompass the area where the vents are? Did you calculate that by removing the center rib, the flex would be too great for the tempered glass?




Thanks for the compliments Paul. We would love to get to another Fierorama. All you need to do is schedule it before I got to start teaching school. The year I was able to get there was because I just had knee surgery so I could not work. The engine window and the engine vent both were just shaped to work with the existing support framework built into the trunk lid. I believe the idea of combining both openings into one would work just fine. I really like the engine vent. It gets very hot which means it is working. The factory engine vents never get nearly as hot.


88_Fiero_2M4 (donpottorffjr@mail4drivers.com) MSG #522, 03-07-2007 09:49 PM
      Wow there Skitime been past where you live many times but didnt know. However I am always going buy in the Semi and all 14000 trucks in this company look the same.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #523, 03-07-2007 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88_Fiero_2M4:

Wow there Skitime been past where you live many times but didnt know. However I am always going buy in the Semi and all 14000 trucks in this company look the same.



I spend a lot of time in Colorado in the summer during vacation so we probably cross paths often.



Mike Marden (mikemarden_7@hotmail.com) MSG #524, 03-16-2007 02:32 PM
      TTT where it belongs



twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #525, 03-28-2007 12:54 AM
      Bumporama
Brad


Mike Marden (mikemarden_7@hotmail.com) MSG #526, 04-16-2007 10:09 AM
      rebump

88_Fiero_2M4 (donpottorffjr@mail4drivers.com) MSG #527, 04-25-2007 12:48 AM
      Well ski looks like I will be in your area the next two days, I have a drop at Parksburg near Philly on the 26th I am in Spiceland IN right now and will be around Carlisle around 6 to 7 your time tomrrow night.



Kameo Kid MSG #528, 05-13-2007 09:46 PM
      just a friendly bump to see if there is anything new in skiland?

wingless (buffpowell@gmail.com) MSG #529, 06-17-2007 11:39 PM
      TTT, one beautiful Fiero.

88_Fiero_2M4 (donpottorffjr@mail4drivers.com) MSG #530, 08-06-2007 07:39 PM
      Well Ski if I knew I was going to be here this long I would have left you a message sooner. I am just 10 miles north of York just off of 83.



Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #531, 08-30-2007 09:23 PM
      A must read for everyone.

The Fieromaster (superchargedfiero@gmail.com) MSG #532, 08-30-2007 09:52 PM
      Ski, i have pictures of your car from when you came to the "NEO Fiero Club" meeting a very long time ago.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #533, 08-30-2007 10:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88_Fiero_2M4:

Well Ski if I knew I was going to be here this long I would have left you a message sooner. I am just 10 miles north of York just off of 83.




We should of met. I was just home from Colorado.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #534, 08-30-2007 10:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:

A must read for everyone.


Thanks




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #535, 08-30-2007 10:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by The Fieromaster:

Ski, i have pictures of your car from when you came to the "NEO Fiero Club" meeting a very long time ago.



Email me some that would be cool to see.



The Fieromaster (superchargedfiero@gmail.com) MSG #536, 08-31-2007 10:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Email me some that would be cool to see.


Hmm... That was before digital cameras were affordable or flooding the market place. They are on photographs but ill have my mother in law scan them with this machine she has that was like 4,000$ made for doing that.


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #537, 09-01-2007 09:11 AM
      I used to live in Dallastown & drive to Mechanicsburg a long time ago.

Skitime. how many miles was your car driven under it's own power in the past 12 months? Don't count miles on the trailer.


Fierostarvin MSG #538, 11-04-2007 08:41 PM
      Man what a thread!! Spent all afternoon reading it and watching the Texas race. Your car is a work of art in progress. Please keep posting updates.

jscott1 MSG #539, 11-05-2007 10:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierostarvin:

Please keep posting updates.


It's for sale if you are interested...

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/066009.html

[This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 11-05-2007).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #540, 11-05-2007 04:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 30+mpg:

I used to live in Dallastown & drive to Mechanicsburg a long time ago.

Skitime. how many miles was your car driven under it's own power in the past 12 months? Don't count miles on the trailer.


We have not trailered it for years. We used to trailer it to Carlisle because we would stay in the motorhome for the weekend. We also trailered it to the 20th Fiero show because we did not have enough room in the FIero. Other than that it was driven everywhere. We even drove it to the Fierorama and back. Regardless I have not driven it much in the last two years. Around 500 miles last year. That is why I decided I might as well sell it to someone that would really enjoy it.


seegeer (seegeer@yahoo.com) MSG #541, 11-30-2007 07:36 PM
      great car, i love what you did, i live in punxsutawney pa and i am in the process of opening a customizing shop and would love for a guy like you to check it out some time and bounce some ideas off of,,,great work, by far my favorite ride..
spence


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #542, 11-30-2007 08:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by seegeer:

great car, i love what you did, i live in and i am in the process of opening a customizing shop and would love for a guy like you to check it out some time and bounce some ideas off of,,,great work, by far my favorite ride..
spence



That sounds like fun and thanks. (As he goes looking up where Punxsutawney Pa is on Map Quest knowing that is where the groundhogs are)


JCUOIT MSG #543, 02-03-2008 01:16 PM
      bump for the man that brought us the following awesome modifications:

Turbo Sunbird Tachometer with integrated Boost Gauge





Back lit headlight doors
















Engine Window with 'mood lighting'









Center Console Homelink integration








Removable rear window pass-through







The Cleanest Engine Bay in a Fiero



And the best thing, A Thread that's lasted 5 YEARS without touching the archives. FIVE YEARS!!!



(all be it that i posted the day before the actual birthday)
While it may be debatable, I truly believe that your style of customizing is the most creative while still being tasteful and true to the Fiero form and philosophy.

I really hope you do not sell this car, not because it should be yours forever. but because the car is likely one of the most well known and well done Fieros on this forum. A triumphant leader of innovation and imagination. An artist in the medium of fiberglass and speed. While there may be many people worthy of owning and maintaining this car, and while there may be many that could keep it covered in a garage, strapped down on a trailer, or sit proudly by its side parked at a show, there are very few people in this community that could possibly continue to raise the bar of Fiero modifications, few that could document it to such a degree, and certainly no one that could continue to transform a car so tastefully into something more, into something better, into something Great and yet something innately and recognizably FIERO.


This car is SkiTime's car, it's your car. I don't think anyone would have enough balls to buy this car and try to continue modifying it. Anyone who purchases your car instantly becomes the curator of "Skitime's car." I can only liken this experience to possibly owning 1 of the 3 Scaglietti Corvette Italias or owning an Aston Martin DB4 Zagato. These cars are individual pieces of art, all minutely different, none exactly the same. To think that you have 1 of 1, the only Skitime Fiero. thats cool.


In the end it is your car to sell, and the recipient will become a truly lucky owner. In the event that you have found some other outlet for your seemingly boundless imagination, creativity, and skill. It is conceivable that you may have grown bored of the car and tired of the modifications. in this case i would suggest moving on to focus upon whichever creative outlet has captured you now as the Fiero once captured it many years ago.


on a lighter note:
In the event that you do not sell your car and continue showing it, when is the huge Fiero gathering in Michigan this year? i have to see your car in person. With some luck mine will be done, and it'll be there too.

JC
I am not worthy

[This message has been edited by JCUOIT (edited 02-03-2008).]

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #544, 02-27-2008 09:40 PM
      Bump, I love this car!! Forgive if its stated in this tread, but what color is your car? Is that a GM red? Do you have a color code? Thanks so much!!!!!!!!!!!


-Chris


Gokart Mozart MSG #545, 02-28-2008 09:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JCUOIT:

bump for the man that brought us the following awesome modifications:


Don't forget the hidden antenna, functional hood scoop and trans-am side vents.


Ditkaphile (ditkaphile@comcast.net) MSG #546, 02-28-2008 12:32 PM
      And to think I almost didn't look at this thread. Ski, your car is awe-inspiring, a piece of automotive art. And I am sure others can attest to level of disgust that arises when we see how easy you make it look! It is hard to truly comprehend the amount of work and the amount of money it must have taken to achieve such a level of quality. Bravo, you make us all proud.

P.S. - might there be a decklid grill from one of the MR2 models that would work if one were attempting to duplicate your third decklid vent?



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #547, 04-15-2008 09:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Ditkaphile:

And to think I almost didn't look at this thread. Ski, your car is awe-inspiring, a piece of automotive art. And I am sure others can attest to level of disgust that arises when we see how easy you make it look! It is hard to truly comprehend the amount of work and the amount of money it must have taken to achieve such a level of quality. Bravo, you make us all proud.

P.S. - might there be a decklid grill from one of the MR2 models that would work if one were attempting to duplicate your third decklid vent?



Somehow I missed this post. The compliment is very much appreciated.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #548, 04-15-2008 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:

Bump, I love this car!! Forgive if its stated in this tread, but what color is your car? Is that a GM red? Do you have a color code? Thanks so much!!!!!!!!!!!


-Chris


Surprisingly it is simply the factory original GM bright red. I love the color and have had several red sports cars in the past.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #549, 04-15-2008 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JCUOIT:

While it may be debatable, I truly believe that your style of customizing is the most creative while still being tasteful and true to the Fiero form and philosophy.

I really hope you do not sell this car, not because it should be yours forever. but because the car is likely one of the most well known and well done Fieros on this forum. A triumphant leader of innovation and imagination. An artist in the medium of fiberglass and speed. While there may be many people worthy of owning and maintaining this car, and while there may be many that could keep it covered in a garage, strapped down on a trailer, or sit proudly by its side parked at a show, there are very few people in this community that could possibly continue to raise the bar of Fiero modifications, few that could document it to such a degree, and certainly no one that could continue to transform a car so tastefully into something more, into something better, into something Great and yet something innately and recognizably FIERO.


This car is SkiTime's car, it's your car. I don't think anyone would have enough balls to buy this car and try to continue modifying it. Anyone who purchases your car instantly becomes the curator of "Skitime's car." I can only liken this experience to possibly owning 1 of the 3 Scaglietti Corvette Italias or owning an Aston Martin DB4 Zagato. These cars are individual pieces of art, all minutely different, none exactly the same. To think that you have 1 of 1, the only Skitime Fiero. thats cool.


In the end it is your car to sell, and the recipient will become a truly lucky owner. In the event that you have found some other outlet for your seemingly boundless imagination, creativity, and skill. It is conceivable that you may have grown bored of the car and tired of the modifications. in this case i would suggest moving on to focus upon whichever creative outlet has captured you now as the Fiero once captured it many years ago.


on a lighter note:
In the event that you do not sell your car and continue showing it, when is the huge Fiero gathering in Michigan this year? i have to see your car in person. With some luck mine will be done, and it'll be there too.

JC




Wow man, thanks for the many kind words. I was figuring the GT was being forgotten. Guess not. I still have days I should keep it and days I would sell it but either way I love the GT.


Mister MSG #550, 04-16-2008 11:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime: I was figuring the GT was being forgotten. Guess not. I still have days I should keep it and days I would sell it but either way I love the GT.


Forgotten???... I don't think so!
It's only staring on all the printed products for the Fieros @ Carlisle 2008 show

http://www.mafoa.com/carlisle.html
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/070144.html



ktthecarguy MSG #551, 04-17-2008 04:06 AM
      Hi skitime,
Love the backlit headlight doors! That's a very cool mod. And one super-tasty car! Forgive a dumb question, but what is a homelink? The thing you put in your cig lighter cover? Just curious.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #552, 04-17-2008 06:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ktthecarguy:

Hi skitime,
Love the backlit headlight doors! That's a very cool mod. And one super-tasty car! Forgive a dumb question, but what is a homelink? The thing you put in your cig lighter cover? Just curious.


It is basically a remote garage door opener that is permanently installed. It has three buttons to control three devices and learns the remote codes from the other remotes you want to control. It is a great little device.



TRiAD MSG #553, 05-07-2008 02:36 AM
      Ski, I wanted to take a couple minutes to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for all you've done for this community. I hope you don't sell the car, because as someone else said; it will always be "Skitime's Fiero", no matter who owns it. That, and you'd never find someone willing to pay what it's really worth...

I've been here for many years, but I've been gone for quite a while before returning recently, as I'm looking at my 4th Fiero; a Formula. You are without a doubt one of the most innovative pioneers in this community, and I'm glad your thread has gotten the attention it has, and that your car is continuing to get the attention it deserves...That Carlisle feature is priceless!

I do have one question for you; do you know if you were the one who pioneered the T/A fender vent, or had someone already done that? I've been looking at those, since they will match the IMSA scoops I'm putting in the rear quarters, and would love to list them on my project page as one of your "mods", if you'd like.

Thanks again, for everything! And keep up the terrific work!!



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #554, 05-07-2008 06:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TRiAD:

Ski, I wanted to take a couple minutes to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for all you've done for this community. I hope you don't sell the car, because as someone else said; it will always be "Skitime's Fiero", no matter who owns it. That, and you'd never find someone willing to pay what it's really worth...

I've been here for many years, but I've been gone for quite a while before returning recently, as I'm looking at my 4th Fiero; a Formula. You are without a doubt one of the most innovative pioneers in this community, and I'm glad your thread has gotten the attention it has, and that your car is continuing to get the attention it deserves...That Carlisle feature is priceless!

I do have one question for you; do you know if you were the one who pioneered the T/A fender vent, or had someone already done that? I've been looking at those, since they will match the IMSA scoops I'm putting in the rear quarters, and would love to list them on my project page as one of your "mods", if you'd like.

Thanks again, for everything! And keep up the terrific work!!


Thanks very much!! Being the featured car at Carlisle is certainly an honor. As far as the vents, I am the orginator of that mod. I was just poking around a wrecking yard one day and spotted the vents and knew instantly I was going to do that mod. Several people have since used the same vents in many other locations on the Fiero which is cool too.



TRiAD MSG #555, 05-07-2008 08:49 AM
      Sweet! I'll update my project page accordingly.

I'm ALL about giving credit where it's due.

There was a guy on here once who exactly built a very custom front fascia I designed in Photoshop, and never once said where he got the idea, so I know how it feels.

Thanks again!!

~M



kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #556, 05-07-2008 10:46 AM
      skitime,
Inquiring minds want to know. Did you sell the Fiero? Or not?
I hope you did not.

Cordially,
Kevin

[This message has been edited by kevin (edited 05-07-2008).]

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #557, 05-07-2008 02:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

skitime,
Inquiring minds want to know. Did you sell the Fiero? Or not?
I hope you did not.

Cordially,
Kevin



No I have not. Had several people inquire about it. I really have not actually been trying to sell it but if a good offer would come in I would give it some serious consideration. (Please no tire kickers)



kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #558, 05-07-2008 05:15 PM
      Skitime,
Well I am not a tire-kicker, my leg is too far away (3,000 miles). I do not know if I would be interested or not. I depends on the price, (what doesn't?) but I would like to know what range you would accept. Wonderful car....

Cordially,
Kevin


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #559, 05-07-2008 08:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Skitime,
Well I am not a tire-kicker, my leg is too far away (3,000 miles). I do not know if I would be interested or not. I depends on the price, (what doesn't?) but I would like to know what range you would accept. Wonderful car....

Cordially,
Kevin


PM sent



gt7 (gt7@juno.com) MSG #560, 05-08-2008 05:12 AM
      skitime, i'd like some price info, too (i'm not a tire kicker either). also, what kind of gas mileage does the sc3800 get?



19852M4 MSG #561, 06-17-2008 10:34 PM
      Wow!! Awesome car.

Bump.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #562, 07-05-2008 08:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 19852M4:

Wow!! Awesome car.

Bump.


Thanks, much appreciated



hagans19 (hagans19h@aol.com) MSG #563, 07-15-2008 09:07 PM
      that is sweet ride i like it alot

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #564, 07-15-2008 09:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hagans19:

that is sweet ride i like it alot


Thanks to a fellow PA Fiero owner.



MarineFiero (bmamalis@gmail.com) MSG #565, 08-28-2008 09:27 PM
      Hey, how much to make a decklid like yours for me?

e30tech MSG #566, 09-17-2008 05:38 PM
      just started to read on this forum. But i caught this thread and id like to say that i love my fiero's hand down. I have a 85se4 and a 87 gt

I also have a 94 3000GT VR-4 and id have to say good choice man on not buying that car. Mine had dont nothing but nickle and dime me the hole time. Id sell it but i just love the car to damn much. I hate selling my cars lol..

BTW NICE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JesseM (jesterking33@hotmail.com) MSG #567, 11-07-2008 06:28 PM
      I asked Santa for your car for Christmas, but he said, " Yeah right, i want Skitime to build a sleigh for me..."



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #568, 11-23-2008 12:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JesseM:

I asked Santa for your car for Christmas, but he said, " Yeah right, i want Skitime to build a sleigh for me..."



You must not have been a good boy this year.



JCUOIT MSG #569, 01-04-2009 01:28 PM
      So, if you aren't selling it just yet, do you have any more mods planned for it?

JC


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #570, 01-04-2009 09:03 PM
      Nope, no plans beyond driving it.

cnander51 (cander51@embarqmail.com) MSG #571, 01-25-2009 01:48 AM
      I may have missed it in the thread, but could you tell me what the engine viewing window was made out of. Glass or Lexan or ? I had planned on molding in a scoop, but your idea is much cooler.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #572, 02-08-2009 08:18 PM
      It is a piece of custom temper glass with a slight curve on it. I tried many other materials and none of them worked out.

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-09-2009).]

Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #573, 02-09-2009 08:52 AM
      Dave has loads of time, many custom fabricated parts, lots or re-engineering and if I'm guessing correctly big bucks in his car. While some of his ideas are certainly duplicatable they won't come cheap. Rather than trying to copy Skitimes car, it may be preferable to do your own custom build.



DotTC MSG #574, 02-09-2009 03:16 PM
      Glad to see Ski and his car are still alive Always been an inspiration to my car, that still sits broken

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #575, 02-09-2009 06:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DotTC:

Glad to see Ski and his car are still alive Always been an inspiration to my car, that still sits broken


Thanks very much. It's good to see people still remember my car.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #576, 02-09-2009 07:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

Dave has loads of time, many custom fabricated parts, lots or re-engineering and if I'm guessing correctly big bucks in his car. While some of his ideas are certainly duplicable they won't come cheap. Rather than trying to copy Skitimes car, it may be preferable to do your own custom build.



Dennis, I feel you have the wrong impression of my car. The car was a rough inexpensive GT when I bought it. Yes, I did spend a ton of time of my car engineering and re engineering the modifications. Yes, I did lots of custom fabricated parts. But I feel I did it all at very little expense and certainly not big bucks. How? Do everything yourself. The only thing that was not done in my little garage was fabrication of the exhaust which I had already designed with a muffler I had modified and I did not paint the car. I did all the body work myself but I am not setup to spray cars. I did all the mechanical and engine work myself. The new crate engine cost $1400 and the West Coast Fiero headers were graciously donated by West Coast Fieros. After selling my old 2.8 engine and automatic trans, I was only out about $600. I bought a junkyard 2.8 engine and Getrag and complete wiring harness for $200. Kept the Getrag setup and sold the engine for something like $600 so at that point out about $400 for the 3800 swap. I constantly bought and sold parts along the way to keep my expenses very low. (At the time, I was recently divorced and had two daughters in college) A few years latter I did add the inter cooler for somewhere near an additional $1000. All in all I feel I have one of the least expensive 3800SC Fieros out there. Now I would agree the cost to reproduce this GT by having a shop build it with all the unique modifications would be major big bucks but it did not cost me much compared to most Fieros I see out there including your sweet Fiero. Course, if I would sell it I would expect to make a profit ;-)

[This message has been edited by skitime (edited 02-09-2009).]

DotTC MSG #577, 02-10-2009 03:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Thanks very much. It's good to see people still remember my car.


Can't forget your car or you My 88 still has the calipers I bought from ya on it .. one day, soon, they'll actually get to stop her again.


Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #578, 02-10-2009 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


Dennis, I feel you have the wrong impression of my car. The car was a rough inexpensive GT when I bought it. Yes, I did spend a ton of time of my car engineering and re engineering the modifications. Yes, I did lots of custom fabricated parts. But I feel I did it all at very little expense and certainly not big bucks. How? Do everything yourself. The only thing that was not done in my little garage was fabrication of the exhaust which I had already designed with a muffler I had modified and I did not paint the car. I did all the body work myself but I am not setup to spray cars. I did all the mechanical and engine work myself. The new crate engine cost $1400 and the West Coast Fiero headers were graciously donated by West Coast Fieros. After selling my old 2.8 engine and automatic trans, I was only out about $600. I bought a junkyard 2.8 engine and Getrag and complete wiring harness for $200. Kept the Getrag setup and sold the engine for something like $600 so at that point out about $400 for the 3800 swap. I constantly bought and sold parts along the way to keep my expenses very low. (At the time, I was recently divorced and had two daughters in college) A few years latter I did add the inter cooler for somewhere near an additional $1000. All in all I feel I have one of the least expensive 3800SC Fieros out there. Now I would agree the cost to reproduce this GT by having a shop build it with all the unique modifications would be major big bucks but it did not cost me much compared to most Fieros I see out there including your sweet Fiero. Course, if I would sell it I would expect to make a profit ;-)



Dave. I guess big bucks and expensive are subjective words. I am aware that you did all the work yourself but the point that I was making is to build a duplicate of your Fiero today would be very costly. The custom tempered glass window on the deck, the rear window that slides open, the intercooler, the Mecham scoops, a new 3800SC, clutch/flywheel, the beautiful paint etc would seem to represent a considerable expense.
I've got over $5,000 in my 3800SC (auto) swap and I did it myself so costs can add up quickly. It was a powertrain with 60 miles on it. Then I added SS brake lines, KYB struts/shocks, Prothane bushings, Mr Mikes Upholstery, mag wheels and Addco front and rear sway bars so I figure that about $6,000 to $7,000 is the total cost, then figure in the $2400 that I paid for the car and the paint still needs refreshing. My car is probably a $10,000 Fiero and its nothing special. Perhaps cost is all relative
All in all I understand your point and I agree. For what you invested on your 88, it is probably one of the least expensive and good looking Fieros around



elitopr MSG #579, 03-07-2009 10:28 AM
      WOW awsomecar loved

grats


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #580, 08-19-2009 09:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by elitopr:

WOW awsomecar loved

grats


Hey Thanks



phreakboy4 (phreakboy4@gmail.com) MSG #581, 09-07-2009 05:45 PM
      Yep I still love this car, I remember logging in everyday specifically to see if there had been an update. I have watched this car from the very beginning and have always had the upmost respect for skitime and all of the work that was put into this beautiful show piece.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #582, 09-08-2009 08:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by phreakboy4:

Yep I still love this car, I remember logging in everyday specifically to see if there had been an update. I have watched this car from the very beginning and have always had the upmost respect for skitime and all of the work that was put into this beautiful show piece.


Wow! Thanks You had to have been around here for a long time to have been watching the build phase.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #583, 09-09-2009 06:40 PM
     
Ski,

What mods have you seen others do that you find interesting beyond what you have already done ?



FiereoFella (ahubble88@gmail.com) MSG #584, 09-10-2009 04:03 AM
      Well, I have been around custom/classic cars all my life. I can honestly say that I have rarely if ever seen this kind of craftsmanship. I enjoyed reading this build so much. Skitime really put alot of hardwork into this. I never once saw any corners being cut, or doing anything the lazy way. Skitime, I salute your hardwork and talent. I'm envious. Truly a great ride.

Semper Fi!
----FieroFella----



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #585, 09-13-2009 08:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Ski,

What mods have you seen others do that you find interesting beyond what you have already done ?


I really liked the shaker intake trunk lid that Rockcrawl did to a 4.9 Caddy engine. I thought that was really cool. Unfortunately it would not be the same on my 3800 with my intake system. The factory transverse V8s being put on the Fieros has keep my interest as well but I definitely would want to maintain a manual transmission. I have been tempted many times to do a digital dash. There are a few other things I have considered. Some are still top secret incase I ever get the bug to work on my GT some more.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #586, 09-13-2009 08:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FiereoFella:

Well, I have been around custom/classic cars all my life. I can honestly say that I have rarely if ever seen this kind of craftsmanship. I enjoyed reading this build so much. Skitime really put alot of hardwork into this. I never once saw any corners being cut, or doing anything the lazy way. Skitime, I salute your hardwork and talent. I'm envious. Truly a great ride.

Semper Fi!
----FieroFella----


Hey that is much appreciated. I still love my GT although I do not get it out hardly ever. When I get it out and drive it, it still amazes my how nice it drives, how much power it has and how much attention it gets. I seem to have a one track mind and lately other things in my life have got my attentions.



pocket dude 411 MSG #587, 09-15-2009 12:31 AM
      Nicee

smartaxel (jamesdnye@gmail.com) MSG #588, 09-17-2009 08:17 PM
      This car was the reason I wanted a 3800-powered car. Finally got one built and running, and it still doesn't compare to Ski's.

FieroJonney (a2xhero@yahoo.com) MSG #589, 11-25-2009 02:34 AM
      Such a beautiful car! tastefully put together

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #590, 12-02-2009 08:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroJonney:

Such a beautiful car! tastefully put together


Thanks!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #591, 12-03-2009 04:15 PM
     
Ski,

Not sure what is left for you to do to it, but have you gotten the modifying bug again lately ?


CC Rider (ccriderf1@gmail.com) MSG #592, 12-03-2009 06:26 PM
      Did I hear you say chop???????

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #593, 12-03-2009 09:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Ski,

Not sure what is left for you to do to it, but have you gotten the modifying bug again lately ?


Well, not really, I am currently in the process of building a garage for my toys so the GT will soon have a new home. I was feeling pressure to sell it for the garage space so the new garage will alleviate that problem.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #594, 12-03-2009 09:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CC Rider:

Did I hear you say chop???????


No, I doubt I would ever do that.


Kameo Kid MSG #595, 12-20-2009 01:49 PM
      "WOW", can't believe that this thread is going on 7 yrs old!! Great Job!



Phoenix4404 (cscoons@yahoo.com) MSG #596, 02-28-2010 03:49 PM
      bump to keep out of the archives

katore8105 MSG #597, 04-18-2010 01:44 AM
      Bump to add to my favorites

Hockaday MSG #598, 05-11-2010 11:15 AM
      bump

tiretread (rthomas34@hotmail.com) MSG #599, 05-12-2010 02:56 PM
      My first post on this site and it's because this is my favorite car here. I'm a very new owner (1 day) of an 86 SE and this build has inspired me.

Russmanu (russmanu7@aol.com) MSG #600, 06-08-2010 04:06 PM
      This car/thread/build is awesome.
A fantastic thread, written in a very easy to understand manner and quite possibly the nicest Fiero I've ever seen.

If I ever become rich, I will definately get you to build me a motor.

Cheers Buddy

Russ B, Oxford UK


jeffdean42 (jeffdean4233@dutchmail.com) MSG #601, 06-13-2010 04:18 PM
      Moar! moar!

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #602, 06-13-2010 09:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by tiretread:

My first post on this site and it's because this is my favorite car here. I'm a very new owner (1 day) of an 86 SE and this build has inspired me.


Wow that is great! Welcome to the forum too.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #603, 06-13-2010 09:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Russmanu:

This car/thread/build is awesome.
A fantastic thread, written in a very easy to understand manner and quite possibly the nicest Fiero I've ever seen.

If I ever become rich, I will definately get you to build me a motor.

Cheers Buddy

Russ B, Oxford UK


Wow, I guess this make this GT internationally appreciated. Cool thanks for the complement.



HausFiero MSG #604, 06-16-2010 11:10 AM
      I really like what you did for your exhaust man, really fits the rear bumper.

On the hood scoop did you just cut on the very center (the part that is dipped in) or did you cut a little bit to the sides of it too? 4 inches seems like it would be more than just the dipped in part.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #605, 06-16-2010 04:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HausFiero:

I really like what you did for your exhaust man, really fits the rear bumper.

On the hood scoop did you just cut on the very center (the part that is dipped in) or did you cut a little bit to the sides of it too? 4 inches seems like it would be more than just the dipped in part.


If you look on page 1 of this thread you can see exactly how I cut it.



HausFiero MSG #606, 06-16-2010 05:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:


If you look on page 1 of this thread you can see exactly how I cut it.


Already saw that


SMTHGT MSG #607, 06-27-2010 09:22 AM
      Ski, I want to use one of your ideas... PM on the way...



joe cat (joe@fcgerlach.com) MSG #608, 09-05-2010 09:04 AM
      Skitop call me 717-898-9024 and I have pmed you and emailed you!
Joe in lancaster, pa


jeep107 (jeep107@hotmail.com) MSG #609, 12-05-2010 06:30 PM
      So here I was wondering if anyone had ever done and engine bay window, did a search and found this....Totally amazing what you have done with your car, I have always been more of a notchback fan but your car is really making me question that. You have made what is to me the nicest Fiero I have ever seen, thanks for the inspiration.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #610, 12-05-2010 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jeep107:

So here I was wondering if anyone had ever done and engine bay window, did a search and found this....Totally amazing what you have done with your car, I have always been more of a notchback fan but your car is really making me question that. You have made what is to me the nicest Fiero I have ever seen, thanks for the inspiration.


Thanks for the email and these compliments. Good luck on your build.



johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #611, 01-30-2011 09:34 PM
      Ski,

I followed your build from Texas. I followed your build from England. I followed your build from Florida. I read it over and over again every time i was deployed to the desert flying missions in Iraq and Afghanistan when I had computer time. And now, while I am sitting in DC for two weeks, I sat and spent a few hours reading back through the whole build. It has been an amazing ride watching the car morph into what it is today. I would love to see your car down at the Daytona show. Will it be there? Also, if this car EVER goes up for sale and you come up with an asking price PM ME / CALL ME! This is one Fiero that I am sure anyone on the forum would love to own, me being no exception. The mods are all so tastefully done and the soul of the Fiero has been retained. You, sir, are a star!

John


johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #612, 01-30-2011 09:40 PM
      delete

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Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #613, 02-01-2011 07:08 PM
      Ski,

I like the mods you did to your hood (tasteful and functional) so much I'm replicating them on my car Props to you for being the originator and thanks for sharing the info so others can upgrade their rides!

Jim


avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #614, 02-25-2011 08:48 PM
      I heard through the grapevine that this car may be heading to a new home soon. Any truth to the rumor?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #615, 04-04-2011 07:57 PM
      Well, this had been one of the hardest things I have done in a long time. My pride and joy was sold. It was like selling one of my own children. I nearly backed out of the deal because I could not stand it. It is going to Colorado via a truck carrier. Forum member Rpro aka Robert Probst president of the Mile High Fiero club has bought it and willl be giving it a good home so I take some solace in that. I vacation in Colorado a lot so I will hopefully see it on some of those trips. So the GT starts another chapter in it's life. Pennocks has been a home for me for many years. Cliff, Thanks so much. Through Pennocks I have made so many friends that otherwise I would of never met.





rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #616, 04-09-2011 09:14 PM
      I think it's time to bring this thread back to the top. As many of you know, I recently acquired skitime's awesome GT. I also promised to keep this thread alive with mod's and repairs I make along the way. I've only had the car a little over 24 hours now, but already the gears are turning in my head.

The first order of business is to freshen it up. It hasn't been driven in two years, so certain things simply need some attention. I noticed a hairline crack developing in the low mount alternator/dogbone bracket, so that's getting TIG'd tomorrow. I want this to be a temporary fix before I purchase a bullit proof kit. I'd very much like to hear from you 3800SC guys on what you've found to be best.... Keeping in mind this is a 5 speed.

It's also time for new tires. Somebody seemed to have stolen the tread off the rears before I got the car. LOL

Door hinge pins and bushings, Silva Light headlamps, and some new undercar LED's is what is in store for this month. I know this isn't exciting stuff, but what it does is bring back a former champion to a state of the art show car.

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JCUOIT MSG #617, 04-20-2011 06:13 PM
      So, Skitime, What vehicle will be the focus of your attention now? What forum will chronicle your future projects? Solstice, Cobalt, Mustang, hyper miler Geo Metros?

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #618, 04-21-2011 08:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JCUOIT:

So, Skitime, What vehicle will be the focus of your attention now? What forum will chronicle your future projects? Solstice, Cobalt, Mustang, hyper miler Geo Metros?


I am enjoying a Mecedes SLK and a modified Geo Tracker setup for offroading and I still have a red Pontiac. A Pontiac Vibe. Only the Mecedes has not been modified yet.



Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #619, 04-24-2011 02:53 PM
      Was this car in Colorado Springs area yesterday morning ~ 10:45 am (Interquest Prkway area)??

If so, I was lucky enough to see it!



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #620, 04-24-2011 08:57 PM
      Yes, you did see it at that time and location. We had a club cruise yesterday, Are you not a MHFC member?


Robert


Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #621, 04-24-2011 10:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Yes, you did see it at that time and location. We had a club cruise yesterday, Are you not a MHFC member?


Robert


I am not. I have not had a Fiero since 04. I heard from Rob, the Secratery of the Solstice/Sky club that we may be getting together with the Fiero club for a cruise sometime soon though!

Pretty cool so see your car after I have only seen pictures for so long.

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rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #622, 04-25-2011 12:03 PM
      We are indeed joining the Solstice/Sky folks for a day trip to Royal Gorge, Saturday, May 7th.

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #623, 04-25-2011 04:58 PM
      Since you're the new owner of the car, could you take some updated/recent pictures of what the car looks like now? (It would make a great background picture)

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #624, 05-07-2011 09:52 PM
      As requested, a few pictures of the skimobile at the Royal Gorge Bridge.





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Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #625, 05-08-2011 02:09 AM
      Pleasure meeting you today and seeing your car!







rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #626, 05-08-2011 09:54 AM
      Thanks, Falcon. It was fun to cruise with you guy's and see some beautiful Sky's and Soltice's



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #627, 05-08-2011 05:54 PM
      Driving across a narrow wooden slat bridge doesn't seem frightening until you look down. (gulp)





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rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #628, 06-03-2011 05:38 PM
      On Saturday, June 11th, the Utah Pontiac Club (GSLC-POCI) will be holding it's 15th All Pontiac Car Show. They will be having the show at Wheeler Farm in Salt Lake City. The show will run from 9am to 2pm Saturday, June 11th.

I am taking the infamous skimobile over for this show, so any PFF members in Utah are welcome to come see it in person. Hopefully you'll bring your Fiero's and show them off as well.

Robert


Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #629, 06-15-2011 06:19 AM
      damn i love this car i think it is one of my personal top 5 non wide body fieros.

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #630, 10-01-2011 11:06 PM
      Dave Horst (skitime) was passing through Denver today, so we hooked up so he could see his old GT once again. I tossed him the keys and off he went down the road on a speed run. Dave is probably the nicest guy you would ever meet. I'm thankful he took the time to connect with me during his cross country drive. By the way, his Geo Tracker and RV are equally as tricked out as the Fiero.











Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #631, 10-02-2011 01:03 AM
      Very cool to have that happen.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #632, 10-02-2011 08:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

Very cool to have that happen.


Yes, very cool that you guys could get together.

Archie


852m4se MSG #633, 10-02-2011 10:02 AM
      the decklid looks awsome with that grille and clear cover cutouts. very nice

fierogt28 MSG #634, 10-04-2011 12:53 AM
      For Dave to take the time and meet you and have a short spin in his old fiero....hummm, he should of kept that 88GT



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #635, 10-11-2011 05:11 PM
      Hey thanks for meeting me in Denver. It was great to finally meet you and see my GT again. It looked great and it was awesome to drive it again. I am sitting in a Provo UT laundrymat that had wifi and Pennocks was the first sight I checked out. It has been a long day. Woke up at 5AM with abdomen pain. Went to the ER and after a few hours I found out I had a kidney stone trying to get out. So now I am waiting for the time bomb to go off with pain pills at the ready. Vonnie is flying out to Salt Lake City tomorrow so hopefully I will be able to drive up there to pick her up and still enjoy the rest of the vacation.

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #636, 10-12-2011 10:05 PM
      Yea verily that sucketh.... hope you're ok and work out the stone issue.

avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #637, 11-14-2011 09:36 PM
      Robert you need to add some Florida pictures of the car to this thread.

701GT (graddyval@yahoo.com) MSG #638, 12-30-2011 08:25 PM
      WOW this is getting bookmarked best looking Fiero i have seen

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #639, 01-20-2012 07:17 PM
      Took her out for an evening cruise in. It still cleans up pretty well for an old girl.



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #640, 01-22-2012 05:23 PM
      The time has finally come for this car to be lowered. It looks sooooo much better than the stock 88 ride height.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #641, 01-28-2012 08:40 AM
      The GT looks great! Does it ride any different lowered?

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #642, 01-28-2012 08:37 PM
      I honestly can't feel any difference. It handled well before and handles well now. Are you coming down to Daytona for a little R&R?

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #643, 03-12-2012 10:17 AM
      Haven't posted any updates in awhile, so I figured it was time to see how the GT would fare against some extremely expensive rod's and customs. I entered it in the "Cars of Dreams" exotic car show in Palm Beach, fL this past weekend, and much to my surprise took a top award in pre-2000 American made performance cars. This type of show is almost impossible to win with a Fiero, but I must have done something right. Haha

http://www.cbs12.com/articl...321-beach-north.html



FIEROSMIGLA (rsmigla@cfl.rr.com) MSG #644, 03-12-2012 10:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Haven't posted any updates in awhile, so I figured it was time to see how the GT would fare against some extremely expensive rod's and customs. I entered it in the "Cars of Dreams" exotic car show in Palm Beach, fL this past weekend, and much to my surprise took a top award in pre-2000 American made performance cars. This type of show is almost impossible to win with a Fiero, but I must have done something right. Haha

http://www.cbs12.com/articl...321-beach-north.html



I always liked that car I saw it in PA years ago it was cool seeing it a few weeks ago when I went to the Fiero meeting and it still looks perfect.



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #645, 03-12-2012 11:15 AM
      Ron,

Thanks for the kind words. I REALLY enjoy seeing your black chop and think it's pretty darned close to perfection as well. Please consider bringing it over to Daytona. We could park side by side :> )

Robert


FIEROSMIGLA (rsmigla@cfl.rr.com) MSG #646, 03-12-2012 11:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Ron,

Thanks for the kind words. I REALLY enjoy seeing your black chop and think it's pretty darned close to perfection as well. Please consider bringing it over to Daytona. We could park side by side :> )

Robert

I will be there 100% my wife is bringing the chop and I plan to bring one of my other Fieros. I was at the Calise Pa show over 10 years ago and saw your car never thought I would see it down here glad it found a good home. Its going to be a great show !



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #647, 03-12-2012 11:55 AM
      Congrats on the win! Any pics of the GT in the show field?

FIEROSMIGLA (rsmigla@cfl.rr.com) MSG #648, 03-12-2012 12:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skitime:

Congrats on the win! Any pics of the GT in the show field?


I have a bunch of photos from the Carlise show I need to try and find them I took a ton of your car, whats funny I clearly remember your car but dont have a clue what Fiero I had there .



zefferk MSG #649, 03-13-2012 10:45 PM
      Congrats Robert! That is some feat!

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #650, 03-14-2012 09:22 PM
      One of the weakest areas of my GT was the bulkhead carpet. It was stained, faded and fuzzed out. The other day I got so sick of looking at it, I called Mr. Mike and asked him if he had any suggestions. Little did I know that he supplied a simple sheet of vinyl/leather that matches the material in his seats. The cost was $13.00 + shipping, so I made the deal right then and there. Below is my handi-work and how it will look once in place.

First we start by gutting the interior and some general cleanup. I found a dime and a Fender thin guitar pick in the process.


First step was to layout the precision surgical instruments required to perform this job.


Next we begin trimming the nasty-ass black snot and hair pad to expose a glueable surface around the perimeter.

Now It's time to layout the new skin from Mr. Mike

Then I laid the prepped backer board face down on the new vinyl. The secret here was to leave the old carpet intact. It makes for a good cushion and masks irregularities showing through the thin vinyl.

A little secret sauce around the edges to adhere the vinyl.

After the corners were loosely tacked, I just had to put it in place to see how it's going to look.

Here is the finished product with all the wrinkles worked out.

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1988holleyformula MSG #651, 03-15-2012 09:33 AM
      I had totally forgot about one of my favorite mods to this GT, the sliding rear window in that second to last shot reminded me!

That looks much classier than the fuzzy carpet.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #652, 03-15-2012 12:08 PM
      I love it! Great mod.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #653, 03-15-2012 01:39 PM
     
Even the best can get better !



Turbocharged3141 MSG #654, 03-17-2012 01:42 PM
      I just joined, as I'm hoping to pick up a Fiero for a build project, and this thread was the first I read.
This noobs' mind is melted. Read all 17 pages. So much information. So much win. Such a nice car.
Now I want to go out and buy a Fiero RIGHT NOW. Which is a problem, as it's 12:40 AM and I lack the funds anyway. Soon hopefully.
Ski, your build is an inspiration and just all around amazing.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #655, 03-21-2012 10:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Turbocharged3141:

I just joined, as I'm hoping to pick up a Fiero for a build project, and this thread was the first I read.
This noobs' mind is melted. Read all 17 pages. So much information. So much win. Such a nice car.
Now I want to go out and buy a Fiero RIGHT NOW. Which is a problem, as it's 12:40 AM and I lack the funds anyway. Soon hopefully.
Ski, your build is an inspiration and just all around amazing.


Thanks, it is great that it is still appreciated and that it is out there being driven and shown by Rpro



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #656, 04-03-2012 07:39 PM
      Best of class (modified) at Daytona this year.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #657, 04-04-2012 09:46 AM
     

As close to fiero perfection as i have seen.

Simply beautiful.


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #658, 04-16-2012 03:12 PM
      I got an idea today to dress up the under-hood area a little. If you've read this build thread you probably know that this car has a removable rear window and a pair of metal strips to hold it whilst in stow. They were painted black and peeling quite badly, so I decided to strip the paint off them and polish the bare aluminum to a high lustre. The results were so pleasing I believe I'll go one step further and have them nickel plated.



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Haru1224 MSG #659, 04-17-2012 01:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

I got an idea today to dress up the under-hood area a little. As many of you know, this car has a removable rear window and a pair of aluminum strips to hold it in stow.


I am Quite new to these wonderful machines so this may be a stupid question but do all of the real windows come out or just the fastback? I didn't even know they were removable.


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #660, 04-17-2012 11:59 AM
      Haru,

None of the Fieros came with removable rear windows. This is a custom job that you can read about in this build thread.


Haru1224 MSG #661, 04-17-2012 04:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Haru,

None of the Fieros came with removable rear windows. This is a custom job that you can read about in this build thread.


Oh that makes more sense lol, its a great looking car either way.


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #662, 04-21-2012 09:34 AM
      Congrats on the Best of class (modified) at Daytona. That makes me proud. I always wondered how it would do at that show. I really like your touch on the glass supports. Keep up the great work!

Tony Kania MSG #663, 04-22-2012 08:00 PM
      Car is still looking incridable! I too believe that this was my first "build thread" that I really got into. Even before becoming a member. This Fiero is such an aspiration for so many of us. Thank you for the updates. I still follow.

rpro... Try a little Mothers Aluminum polish on the glass supports before nickle plating them. They will become mirrors with enough patience and muscle. I use a polisher to do all of my aluminum. I love the stuff. Keep up the great work.

Tony

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Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #664, 04-22-2012 11:30 PM
      When did you move to Florida???

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #665, 04-23-2012 07:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

When did you move to Florida???


Mid October of 2011



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #666, 06-22-2012 07:51 PM
      I found a miricle product today that I used on my fastback taillight len's. Wow, talk about gleaming shine and elimination of haze and light scratches. I highly recommend this stuff. I've seen it in stores before but never purchased it... until today.



Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #667, 06-22-2012 11:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

I found a miricle product today that I used on my fastback taillight len's. Wow, talk about gleaming shine and elimination of haze and light scratches. I highly recommend this stuff. I've seen it in stores before but never purchased it... until today.



How is it applied? By hand, or buy drill?



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #668, 06-23-2012 07:28 AM
      By hand using a slightly dampened micro fiber cloth. Pressure must be applied to get appreciable results.

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #669, 07-12-2012 08:50 PM
      Thanks to russ88gt for some quality lower door panel inserts. They look fantastic and were a breeze to install.



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rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #670, 08-19-2012 05:48 PM
      Vote for the skimobile. To my knowledge this is the very first time this car has competed for the fiero store calendar. Below is the image they selected.

http://fierostore.com

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zefferk MSG #671, 08-20-2012 12:33 PM
      You know you got my vote! We've got to UFO up and running good now too and I'm asking them to vote you in as well. Good luck!

Jeff


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #672, 09-15-2012 09:25 PM
      Sloppy tilt mechanism got fixed today.



Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #673, 09-18-2012 02:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

I found a miricle product today that I used on my fastback taillight len's. Wow, talk about gleaming shine and elimination of haze and light scratches. I highly recommend this stuff. I've seen it in stores before but never purchased it... until today.



I used this too. Works great. Even on (notchback) sail windows. I've had great results on glass as well. (may follow up with Mother's water spot remover to get the rest)



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #674, 10-06-2012 10:04 PM
      Took the GT up to Silver Springs for the All GM show sponsored by NPD and Flowmaster. There were 550 cars in competition from all over the country. It won 1st place in the 1980 to present GM class?




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jim94 (jcmusco@comcast.net) MSG #675, 10-07-2012 04:21 PM
      wow it's nice to see your fiero take home the top prize. it sure was some car show, wish we had more time to talk.see you soon, jim

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skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #676, 10-15-2012 09:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Took the GT up to Silver Springs for the All GM show sponsored by NPD and Flowmaster. There were 550 cars in competition from all over the country. It won 1st place in the 1980 to present GM class?



Awesome! Winning in open classes like that are always sweet. It shows the car is respected beyond the Fiero circles.


fierogt28 MSG #677, 10-15-2012 10:31 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by rpro:

Sloppy tilt mechanism got fixed today.



What exactly did you do to fix it??



johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #678, 10-16-2012 12:24 PM
      Yes...what did it take to fix the steering wobble? Also, what did you do to work out the wrinkles in your backerboard project? I am getting close to doing the same to mine.

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rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #679, 10-18-2012 03:36 PM
      @fierogt28. I do concours level auto detailing for a couple exotic car dealerships in Vero Beach. A mobile mechanic friend of mine said he's done dozens of Saginaw steering columns over the years. I was hoping he would do mine but he was too busy. What he did do however was loan me the the pin plate compresser for a few days, so I just got into it on my own, using the instruction guide found in the ogre's cave.... it was fairly simple to re-tighten the four bolts inside the column. Three of them are easy to access, but the fourth one is buried way the heck down deep.

@johnnyrottin. I simply restretched the vinyl and glued/stapled it down better. I shouldn't have even posted that first picture until it was completed. I'll try to get a fresh picture that shows it nice and smooth. If you're about to do this, I strongly urge you to apply your stretching efforts between the top and bottom first. The sides are not so important since they are hidden by the B-Pillars.


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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #680, 11-05-2012 07:01 PM
      WOW.. I may be a little late on this... but I'm just finding out that Skitime sold his Fiero. WOW. I'm glad to see it go to someone that appreciates the time and effort that was put into it! RPRO.. thanks for keeping this Fiero alive. Its great to see it is still alive and winning awards!

eljibaro127 (eljibaro127@gmail.com) MSG #681, 01-15-2013 04:51 PM
      Keeping this thread alive

TRiAD MSG #682, 03-15-2013 03:52 PM
      2 month bump, 4 years after I last posted in it.



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #683, 03-15-2013 07:50 PM
      The car is doing well and ready for the Fiero weekend at Daytona next week. I've been methodically bringing it into the 21st century with nicer interior, improved audio and most importantly, modern engine electronics. It's still a bit of a time capsule, but eventually it will get a complete makeover.

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #684, 03-16-2013 10:10 PM
      Robert, is this the longest you've had a Fiero without painting it???

Joe


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #685, 03-31-2013 06:56 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by motoracer838:

Robert, is this the longest you've had a Fiero without painting it???

Joe


Joe, it's probably the first Fiero I've owned that didn't NEED a paint job. Actually, the chin spoiler is off being resurfaced and painted as I type. Another thing I'm finally getting around to is replacing the alternator bracket and dogbone mount you welded up for me back in 2011. The belt alignment was just never the same after the spot repair. Getting it ready for the 30th so it's got to be right.



Cancer Researcher MSG #686, 04-27-2013 05:18 PM
      I really need to buy this car!

zmcdonal MSG #687, 04-27-2013 06:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:


Getting it ready for the 30th so it's got to be right.


Glad to hear you will be coming to the 30th. I'm really looking forward to getting to see this ride in person!!


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #688, 06-24-2013 09:35 PM
      Removed the engine viewing glass and re-seated it with a fresh seal. Now it's off to the 30th in the morning. See you guys in a few days.





fierogtlt1 (fierogtlt1@bellsouth.net) MSG #689, 06-24-2013 09:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Removed the engine viewing glass and re-seated it with a fresh seal. Now it's off to the 30th in the morning. See you guys in a few days.




Did you officially change your cars "Name" yet?


rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #690, 07-03-2013 08:02 PM
      Well, the good news is the car drew a significant award at the 30th this past weekend. However, the 2200 mile round trip was not entirely without incident. While driving along at around 55 mph I heard a "thunk" as though I'd run over something. I looked in my rear view mirror and saw something like a small piece of round steel tubing go tumbling off into the weeds alongside the highway. About 30 seconds later a horrible grinding noise started up, forcing me to make a panic stop to see what damage was done. Turns out that the lower caliper bolt on the left front had backed out entirely. The wife and I walked back (in the rain) over a mile, scouring the area I believed to be where it went sailing off into the grass. We couldn't find it, so I had to get resourceful. There was a road crew working on power lines nearby, so I went and asked the foreman if he had a bucket of nuts and bolts. One of the trucks was pretty well equipped with fastners of various sizes, so I snatched up a handful and went back to the car to see If at least one of them would thread in enough to get me to someplace where I could work on it. Below is a picture my wife snapped while I was "cobbling" it back together.

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fierogt28 MSG #691, 07-03-2013 08:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Well, the good news is the car drew a significant award at the 30th this past weekend. However, the 2200 mile round trip was not entirely without incident. While driving along at around 55 mph I heard a "thunk" as though I'd run over something. I looked in my rear view mirror and saw something like a small piece of round steel tubing go tumbling off into the weeds alongside the highway. About 30 seconds later a horrible grinding noise started up, forcing me to make a panic stop to see what damage was done. Turns out that the lower caliper bolt on the left front had backed out entirely. The wife and I walked back (in the rain) over a mile, scouring the area I believed to be where it went sailing off into the grass. We couldn't find it, so I had to get resourceful. There was a road crew working on power lines nearby, so I went and asked the foreman if he had a bucket of nuts and bolts. One of the trucks was pretty well equipped with fastners of various sizes, so I snatched up a handful and went back to the car to see If at least one of them would thread in enough to get me to someplace where I could work on it. Below is a picture my wife snapped while I was "cobbling" it back together.





That's sad to hear...

My "all original" 88GT had a dab of blue lock-tite when I took the calipers off. I'm not
sure if it came like that from the factory, but somebody did. Its a good idea to apply some
on. When I bought the car, it was stored since 1994 but I suspect the pads were replaced
at some point before that. (because they looked recent) Maybe the calipers were never taken
off because you can change the pads with taking the caliper off the knuckle.

Be sure to torque them to 74 ft/lbs on installation. Yes, this is critical...



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #692, 07-04-2013 10:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rpro:

Well, the good news is the car drew a significant award at the 30th this past weekend. However, the 2200 mile round trip was not entirely without incident. While driving along at around 55 mph I heard a "thunk" as though I'd run over something. I looked in my rear view mirror and saw something like a small piece of round steel tubing go tumbling off into the weeds alongside the highway.


Sorry to hear about the trouble but what award did it win?



rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #693, 07-04-2013 11:38 PM
      Dave,

There were five awards given out in level 3 modified class. I was one of them out of a field of over 20 awesome Fiero's. The competition was pretty stiff as you can probably imagine.


Robert


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #694, 07-05-2013 12:50 PM
      Robert... car looked great, and good meeting you at the 30th.

Me and the Texas guys also logged 2200 miles... we did some detours on the way up and back like Branson and Bowling Green... long trip, and glad you guys made it back safely with only one incident.

In KY, One of our number nailed a semi tire retread that was in the middle of the freeway... he was set to miss it, but a minivan hit it and flung it right into him... wiped out nose, rocker, and possibly more as he quickly developed tranny issues. One of yours... 455 Tracy stopped to render aid. You guys in FL are all right in my book.

(sez the guy in mohawk and ? for a goatee)


XThirtySeven MSG #695, 08-07-2013 10:36 PM
      Wow what an inspiring thread, love the attention to detail. This is what OEM+ is all about

Gall757 MSG #696, 03-21-2014 11:21 AM
      For all visitors who are new to the Fiero, and interested in tasteful modification, start by looking at this car.

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Metalflake (squirtboater@hotmail.com) MSG #697, 05-29-2014 04:32 PM
      Ok, so I just blew an afternoon reading this entire thread. I just have to say that this has to be one of the nicest builds & customizations I've seen - bravo to Skitime for a job unbelieveably well done. Can't say as all the mods are to my own tastes, but they are ALL artfully done and perfectly finished. I especially like the engine compartment window & lights, and the vent on the rear deck - so sweet! Very inspiring. I also think the car looks fantastic lowered...keep up the great work.

Pooslinger900 (pooslinger900@yahoo.com) MSG #698, 05-30-2014 01:48 AM
      I've been stalking PFF for the past 5 years now and sadly have never read this whole thread until now. Skitime, you have done AMAZING things. And RPRO your touches have placed the perfection bar higher. Since my formula has gone away I've wanted nothing more than an 88 T-top. Now i REALLY want one. (just with a G1) dash

Knight MSG #699, 06-11-2014 10:19 AM
      Car for sale in Mall, check it out all who would give this car a good home. For $15,000 its one hell of a bargan! Too bad I'm so poor.

skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #700, 03-22-2015 09:36 PM
      How is by baby doing RPRO? How about some new pics?

rpro (rwprobst@yahoo.com) MSG #701, 03-30-2015 08:42 PM
      Here ya go, from this past weekend (03/28/15)

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johnt671 (johnt671_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #702, 03-31-2015 04:51 PM
      I still remember seeing this car and meeting Skitime at a MAFOA club meeting. Still a great car.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #703, 07-27-2015 03:37 AM
      Whats up with the Skitime GT???

DotTC MSG #704, 11-26-2016 05:01 AM
      Doesn't matter how much time passes, it's always lovely to reread this thread. Such inspiration!



Imnuts MSG #705, 12-13-2016 04:42 PM
      Here what his inspiration made me do to my car last year. But my version turned to the dark side.



skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #706, 01-08-2017 04:04 PM
      Very nice work!

Imnuts MSG #707, 01-20-2017 03:57 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:

Very nice work!


Thanks, it was something I enjoyed quite a bit. I now have bought a spare hood that I plan on installing a vent in.
Another project I would like to do in install a 3.6 GM motor, but very hesitant to try something I don't think has been done yet.
Thanks again for the inspiration.




DR650SE (dr650se@aol.com) MSG #708, 01-22-2017 02:16 PM
      Man, after all these years this car still gets me wanting to get back in. Family took over and my Fiero projects never were completed. And they've been sitting in a barn in New Mexico for over a decade :-(



mrfiero (mrfiero@juno.com) MSG #709, 06-08-2017 06:53 PM
      Just a friendly bump!

Also, I want to mention to those who don't know.....I purchased the "skitime" GT from "rpro" last week and it now resides back in the great state of Colorado. It needs some minor freshening up before I drive it/show it, (tires, minor cosmetics, etc), but rest assured....it *will* be driven and driven with gusto!

I plan on attending the Heartland Fiero show in Iowa later this year....maybe Fierorama too. It will definitely attend the 35th show next summer, so see you all there!


Here's a shot of it in my garage next to me stock red '88 GT:




skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #710, 06-14-2017 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfiero:

Just a friendly bump!

Also, I want to mention to those who don't know.....I purchased the "skitime" GT from "rpro" last week and it now resides back in the great state of Colorado. It needs some minor freshening up before I drive it/show it, (tires, minor cosmetics, etc), but rest assured....it *will* be driven and driven with gusto!

I plan on attending the Heartland Fiero show in Iowa later this year....maybe Fierorama too. It will definitely attend the 35th show next summer, so see you all there!


Here's a shot of it in my garage next to me stock red '88 GT:



Hey, I plan to be in Colorado this summer. If it works out I would love to see my baby again. What part of Colorado?



mrfiero (mrfiero@juno.com) MSG #711, 06-18-2017 02:26 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by skitime:


Hey, I plan to be in Colorado this summer. If it works out I would love to see my baby again. What part of Colorado?


I'm a few miles north of downtown Denver....right on the border of Denver & Thornton. I travel a lot for work, so I'm not home much. Give me as much lead time as you can as far as when you'll be in town and I'll do my best to be here.


freedom0226 (kennyr0226@gmail.com) MSG #712, 04-09-2018 10:05 PM
      just went over this whole thread while drooooooling.

Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #713, 11-03-2018 08:51 AM
      I remember Dave Horst, the builder of this Fiero coming to Carlsile in the 90's and it was an impressive creation. Dave is an excellent craftsman and put some unique touches on this car. Daves work was all first class and this Fiero was one of the first to have a full size 3800SC intercooler. While some features of this car like the early prom based PCM should be updated it is still without a doubt, a beautiful custom car now on its third or forth owner. After putting 100's of hour of labor into this car, I have no idea why Dave decided to sell it.