Madcurl's Arch Rival !!
Topic started by: exoticse, Date: 04-07-2005 02:39 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000053.html


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #1, 04-07-2005 02:39 AM
      This could be the one to out do Madcurl's #11 and #15 ( And No it's not mine either) !!!!



The throne is being challenged !


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #2, 04-07-2005 02:48 AM
      Just the wheels are better or the WHOLE Fiero..??



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #3, 04-07-2005 02:56 AM
     

These are not even the final rims that are going on the car, this is just a tease as to not show too much too soon.

The rims going on the car will more than equal if not surpass the HREs, IMO.

I am a big fan of Madcurl's cars, but the things going in on this car will absolutely blow some minds.

All i can say is get ready for a lot of drooling !

Kohburn MSG #4, 04-07-2005 07:06 AM
      the stock brakes look like toys behind those huge rims

jscott1 MSG #5, 04-07-2005 08:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:

the stock brakes look like toys behind those huge rims

Agreed...if this car is going to challenge Curley's then the word "corvette" better be on those brakes somewhere. Must see more of the challenger before I can form an opinion.

Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #6, 04-07-2005 08:26 AM
      Not impressed thus far.

Formula MSG #7, 04-07-2005 09:41 AM
      those tires arent wide enough for the rims, the side wall is flexing in.

Fiero5 MSG #8, 04-07-2005 09:45 AM
      Wiow, this is about as informative as one of NotAClueAnyLongers build up threads

I agree with Black-Azz-GT on this so far....



HellYes MSG #9, 04-07-2005 09:48 AM
      Be sure to post the after pics, when the bend a rim running over a cigarette butt.

Sharkman MSG #10, 04-07-2005 09:48 AM
      Need a lot more pics before I can say that that car would be better than Madcurls cars.
Just a wheel don´t say nothing...



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #11, 04-07-2005 10:14 AM
      Hey guys don't shoot the messenger ! The thread was not initially meant to be superinformative just to wet the appetite and announce this person's car.

I certianly hope you would not be impressed by that pic ! To answer a few questions.

First off visually there is nothing to be impressed about thus far, as the person has not even really released any pics to post yet, other than this, so relax !

I am basing my opinion on the mockups and plans i have seen for this car,....this person is serious. (By the way i am not alone, Madcurl has seen the plans for this car too and agrees it will be better).

The rims and tires you see are not even the ones that will be on the car. Those are the overhauling rims so to speak.

There will be at least one mod never ever done on a fiero. The owner says they will not likely do a build up thread, rather the next picture we see will be the finished product.

Again,..don't shoot the messenger hehehe !

The notafieroanylonger thread comment,...Ouch low blow. hehehehehe.

JK smooth.

.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 04-07-2005).]

KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #12, 04-07-2005 11:24 AM
      how long is this gonna take?

So when are you chopping your car?

Roland MSG #13, 04-07-2005 12:07 PM
      I hate to go all stimpy on you, but....

1) Blurry pic
2) Dirty wheel liner
3) Stock brakes
4) Stock paint
5) Rim color does not match any colors on car

I fail to see how this is even in the same country as the class Madcurls car is in. I mean, anyone can say "oh, this car is going to be the uber best car of the world when its done" but to make claims like yours about an unfinished car, when all you have done is bolt a wheel to, by all acounts, a stock car is a bit obsurd

 
quote
The throne is being challenged !

that looks about as bad as Cedric the Entertainer walking into the queens throne room and declaring himself the king of england.

i think a wiser man would save the boasts for a car that is complete with better pics, then let the masses decide

[This message has been edited by Roland (edited 04-07-2005).]

MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #14, 04-07-2005 12:24 PM
      Compete with Madcurl huh... what, will this car be able to fly or something?

KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #15, 04-07-2005 01:15 PM
      Didn't madcurl start a thread the same way?

Stop bashing the guy.

oh wait, Madcurl didnt start it.......
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/046552.html

[This message has been edited by KissMySSFiero (edited 04-07-2005).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #16, 04-07-2005 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


Agreed...if this car is going to challenge Curley's then the word "corvette" better be on those brakes somewhere. Must see more of the challenger before I can form an opinion.

Agreed. However, this (person) wants the D1S 14" brake kit or the light-weight ones (I forgot which ones). For starters the light-weight ones are better than what #15 has and the 14" are the newer ones from the 2005 Z06. So far from what I know, it's heading on the right track or to the right shops? From what I know it's going to Archie's shop, which is the best place for choppin.

Arch Reval? Well, we need a little "shake-up"....it's all good, hehehe.



Kohburn MSG #17, 04-07-2005 01:46 PM
      as for rivals it will likely come down to personal prefferences

just like how some people preffer notchies to fastbacks or wings to no wings

Danno88GT5Spd MSG #18, 04-07-2005 01:56 PM
      Why was the thread even made?

There's nothing here.. Not even the final rims to go on the car? Why did you even show the picture?

Sounds like a lot of hot water to me.

Formula MSG #19, 04-07-2005 02:25 PM
      Archie's Choptop conversion #11, #15, Redux & The Stealth

Did I miss something "The Stealth" ????????????????

KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #20, 04-07-2005 02:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula:

Archie's Choptop conversion #11, #15, Redux & The Stealth

Did I miss something "The Stealth" ????????????????

could it be the car mentioned in this thread? No where does it say it't not Curley's car.


Of course, its just a blurry pic. So it must mean nothing will come of it.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #21, 04-07-2005 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Roland:

I hate to go all stimpy on you, but....

1) Blurry pic
2) Dirty wheel liner
3) Stock brakes
4) Stock paint
5) Rim color does not match any colors on car

I fail to see how this is even in the same country as the class Madcurls car is in. I mean, anyone can say "oh, this car is going to be the uber best car of the world when its done" but to make claims like yours about an unfinished car, when all you have done is bolt a wheel to, by all acounts, a stock car is a bit obsurd

" The throne is being challenged ! "

that looks about as bad as Cedric the Entertainer walking into the queens throne room and declaring himself the king of england.

i think a wiser man would save the boasts for a car that is complete with better pics, then let the masses decide

Boasts, hotwater, and Cedric the entertainer (uhhhh ok) my, my creating quite the tizzy aren't we ?

I guess we will see won't we ?

I am going to enjoy this one.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 04-07-2005).]

MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #22, 04-07-2005 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:


could it be the car mentioned in this thread? No where does it say it't not Curley's car.


Of course, its just a blurry pic. So it must mean nothing will come of it.

Well most of the pics I have seen of the redux are blurry... kinda like they were taken with the same camera. I smell conspiracy

Roland MSG #23, 04-07-2005 02:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Boasts, hotwater, and Cedric the entertainer (uhhhh ok) my, my creating quite the tizzy aren't we ?

I guess we will see won't we ?

I am going to enjoy this one.


Dont take my post the wrong way. not pissed or trying to start anything. come on, that one pic? its obvious you posted that blurry pic to get a reaction from some people. well, you got some. im not looking for a confrontation, just some validation.

whats the worst that could happen. a really cool a$$ fiero hits the streets? i can live with that

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #24, 04-07-2005 03:13 PM
     

No offense taken, i would probably be just as skeptical with the same limited information.

All doubts will be erased in time,..until then let the skeptics reign !



Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #25, 04-07-2005 03:23 PM
      I know, I know, I know!

Well, I think I know.



YellowRooster (mccarr@sio.midco.net) MSG #26, 04-07-2005 03:59 PM
      I take bets Madcurl might know more than he is leading on but that is just me.


KissMySSFiero (ssfiero@aol.com) MSG #27, 04-07-2005 04:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by YellowRooster:

I take bets Madcurl might know more than he is leading on but that is just me.

go captain obvious.

jscott1 MSG #28, 04-07-2005 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:

No where does it say it't not Curley's car.


DING, DING, DING... I think we have a winner. That Curley has about as many cars as I do, except they all have Northstars, HREs and either a Choptop or an appointment with Archie to get one.




rmphoto MSG #29, 04-07-2005 05:36 PM
      can somebody give me the last 60 seconds it took me to read this useless thread back?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #30, 04-07-2005 05:40 PM
     

What you guys are suggesting would be sheer " madness " !!

One man and four choptops !!???

It's fun though watching the different theories spring forth.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #31, 04-07-2005 05:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rmphoto:

can somebody give me the last 60 seconds it took me to read this useless thread back?

Nope, no refunds.

shawnkfl (kmn9312@knology.net) MSG #32, 04-07-2005 05:47 PM
      hey exoticse....i'll see you and madcurl on the 25th? can you spill some beans then? i'm hoping to meet up with madcurl to see his car at XS customs again.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #33, 04-12-2005 04:40 PM
     

Okay these are the rims the owner of this car will choose from.

They are HRE wheels that are not even on the market yet ! The wheels will have a pitch black center in that the only portion that will be painted will be the window portion.

She or he was originally considering some Maya rims.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #34, 04-12-2005 06:26 PM
      The size and finishing of those HRE's look great.....but the spoke designs are sooo ancient... For the price I bet the customer could/should have gotten some custom designed spoke wheels....

$Rich$ (rich@sio.midco.net) MSG #35, 04-12-2005 07:23 PM
      here is a thread with some similar wheels, i like them, but there not cheep!!
http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=279160


Kameo Kid MSG #36, 04-12-2005 11:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

The size and finishing of those HRE's look great.....but the spoke designs are sooo ancient... For the price I bet the customer could/should have gotten some custom designed spoke wheels....

Oh I disagree, I love those wheels, every set looks great.

bryson MSG #37, 04-13-2005 01:29 AM
      My favorite is the first set...IMO, timeless. Those wheels are so gorgeous, and really clean looking.

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #38, 04-13-2005 02:10 AM
      Number one, number one, number one, I like the first ones




Rare87GT (rare88@cox.net) MSG #39, 04-13-2005 02:25 AM
      Should be pretty cool. I wish I could fit some 19's or 20's on my car but it is just too cool and low how it is



NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #40, 04-13-2005 04:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero5:

Wiow, this is about as informative as one of NotAClueAnyLongers build up threads


F-Off.... I don't do and won't do 'Build threads' because of people like you!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #41, 07-05-2005 12:25 AM
      (This poster puts on bullet proof vest, riot gear helmet, flame retardent suit, and grabs Captian America Shield,...okay now ready to post)

Okay time for an update of sorts. The Challenger has asked me to post another picture of their creation in it's raw stock form.

They have not specified how far along they are on the project only that it is not finished yet, and this picture was before any body work began.

I guess this is all we get for now as a teaser ?

Another tidbit,.... something mean and nasty is lurking under the decklid.

* edit to include flame retardent suit ! *

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 07-05-2005).]

Oslo (chris@tlg-auto.com) MSG #42, 07-05-2005 02:30 AM
      hahahahaha! what a funny thread...

I love how intense everyone gets around here... God forbid someone tries to have a little fun!

jscott1 MSG #43, 07-05-2005 02:39 AM
      Exotic, you and Madcurl crack me up.... Now I'm willing to bet that this is Madcurl's #4 car, the "bubbletop" Northstar. He should hire you as his press agent, they way you cook up interest in his cars is worthy of Hollywood



Formula88 MSG #44, 07-05-2005 09:15 AM
      I hope the quality of the build is better than the quality of the pics.

But, if you're going to challenge Madcurl, then bring it. Now. His car is real, it's built, it's ready. This "challenger" is just a pipe dream.

When you can bring something other than hype to the table, maybe we'll care.

slickrick2000 (rhess2000@roadrunner.com) MSG #45, 07-05-2005 09:19 AM
      I think the first real pics of this car we will see is when it pretty close to being complete. It's probably halfway there already.

BTW, could this be exoticse's own car?

[This message has been edited by slickrick2000 (edited 07-05-2005).]

Kentish MSG #46, 07-05-2005 09:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Agreed. However, this (person) wants the D1S 14" brake kit or the light-weight ones (I forgot which ones). For starters the light-weight ones are better than what #15 has and the 14" are the newer ones from the 2005 Z06. So far from what I know, it's heading on the right track or to the right shops? From what I know it's going to Archie's shop, which is the best place for choppin.

Arch Reval? Well, we need a little "shake-up"....it's all good, hehehe.



You're a nice guy mad, I've not seen a controversial post from you in the time I've lurked before joining up ...or since joining.

I'll try and be as nice and level headed and helpful myself.

Kentish MSG #47, 07-05-2005 09:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Okay these are the rims the owner of this car will choose from.

They are HRE wheels that are not even on the market yet ! The wheels will have a pitch black center in that the only portion that will be painted will be the window portion.

She or he was originally considering some Maya rims.


Those are all nice, I think #2 gets my vote.


Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #48, 07-05-2005 09:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by slickrick2000:

BTW, could this be exoticse's own car?

Exoticse car is white ......I"have" seen it



jscott1 MSG #49, 07-05-2005 10:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


... this (person) wants the D1S 14" brake kit or the light-weight ones (I forgot which ones).



I just realized you are talking about yourself in the third person



linenoise MSG #50, 07-05-2005 12:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Roland:

I hate to go all stimpy on you, but....

:rofl:


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #51, 07-05-2005 02:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Oslo:

hahahahaha! what a funny thread...

I love how intense everyone gets around here... God forbid someone tries to have a little fun!

Ahhhhhhhh a man who sees the light ! I knew i liked you Oslo.

As for some of the other comments,.....Hype,......... Bravado,.....Knockouts (of Madcurl's cars),...all the Challenger (THem, NOT ME!!) needs to do is bite somebody on the ear and we got ourselves a Mike Tyson fight !

* edit to spell Oslo correctly, and to give the challenger a squirt of water between rounds - Ding !*

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 07-05-2005).]

Vendetta (atrizzino@gmail.com) MSG #52, 07-06-2005 06:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

R1 Racing---19x7.5 fronts w/chrome lip on rubberband 225/35/19's (f).

Hmmm looks familiar. I think maybe this might end all questions about the owner. -Austin
Edit: This was found in show off your custom rims here thread.

[This message has been edited by Vendetta (edited 07-06-2005).]

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #53, 07-06-2005 07:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula88:

I hope the quality of the build is better than the quality of the pics.

But, if you're going to challenge Madcurl, then bring it. Now. His car is real, it's built, it's ready. This "challenger" is just a pipe dream.

When you can bring something other than hype to the table, maybe we'll care.

Not to be Captain Obvious here... But the reason the pictures are blury.. is Madcurl doesn't have a digital Camera other than his phone. All the pictures of his cars are blury that are taken by him.

I mean, c'mon people.. think a little bit before you start spitting piss and vinegar.



Formula88 MSG #54, 07-06-2005 08:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by datacop:


Not to be Captain Obvious here... But the reason the pictures are blury.. is Madcurl doesn't have a digital Camera other than his phone. All the pictures of his cars are blury that are taken by him.

I mean, c'mon people.. think a little bit before you start spitting piss and vinegar.

You know, you're right. Those a GREAT PICS!!!!1111!111 I can't believe how aWsOMe this car is 111!!!11!!11!1!

[This message has been edited by Formula88 (edited 07-06-2005).]

jscott1 MSG #55, 07-06-2005 12:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by datacop:


Not to be Captain Obvious here... But the reason the pictures are blury.. is Madcurl doesn't have a digital Camera other than his phone. All the pictures of his cars are blury that are taken by him.

Maybe like Sybil, Madcurl has 16 personalities and they all have Fieros with northstars and big wheels? Maybe he is not sure this is one of his cars?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #56, 07-28-2005 03:04 PM
      Talk to my lawyer.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 07-28-2005).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #57, 08-18-2005 06:28 PM
      Bump.

The owner is still picking out his rims.

The body work is probably about 50 % done. Yes it will be chopped.

Sorry no pics yet.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 08-18-2005).]

FieroRumor (thedigitalalchemist@nyc.rr.com) MSG #58, 08-18-2005 06:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Is it just me, or do Fieros just look "Frickin' Sweet?"

ok, lets keep this thread movin' on along...


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #59, 08-19-2005 12:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroRumor:
Is it just me, or do Fieros just look "Frickin' Sweet?"

ok, lets keep this thread movin' on along...

Its not just you



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #60, 09-11-2005 09:18 AM
     

Hmmmmm seems the owner has some big plans in the next few weeks.

goatnipples2002 (goatnipples2002@gmail.com) MSG #61, 09-13-2005 01:50 PM
      Just wondering how this car is MC's arch rival. He would still need lambo doors, paint, big boy rims, killer interior oh and not to mention hack the top. Both cars look nice BUT.....no.

JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis@outlook.com) MSG #62, 09-13-2005 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by goatnipples2002:

Just wondering how this car is MC's arch rival. He would still need lambo doors, paint, big boy rims, killer interior oh and not to mention hack the top. Both cars look nice BUT.....no.


The only things that haven't been mentioned here are the lambo doors & interior. I would just guesstimate that lambo doors are on the list, and the interior will be far from stock. Think a little man!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #63, 09-13-2005 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by goatnipples2002:

Just wondering how this car is MC's arch rival. He would still need lambo doors, paint, big boy rims, killer interior oh and not to mention hack the top. Both cars look nice BUT.....no.

Patience young Jedi.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #64, 10-22-2005 12:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by goatnipples2002:

Just wondering how this car is MC's arch rival. He would still need lambo doors, paint, big boy rims, killer interior oh and not to mention hack the top. Both cars look nice BUT.....no.

Big boy rims you say ??? How about LSR 20 x 11 on 305/25/20 (Rear) 35 mm offset.

Bigger and more expensive than anything madcurl has !!

A qoute from his archrival " Take that " !!

Still to come extensive body mods to tuck those puppies in, chop top, and (?) doors hehehehe.

stay tuuuuuuuuuunnnnned !

** Again i am just the messenger so please no rocks in my direction,..thanks **

jscott1 MSG #65, 10-22-2005 12:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Big boy rims you say ??? How about LSR 20 x 11 on 305/25/20 (Rear) 35 mm offset.


Holy Fricken Crap!! How is Madcurl... I mean Madcurl's rival going to get those huge wheels to tuck in?? It sounds like another widebody kit.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #66, 10-22-2005 12:43 AM
     
Widebody yes.

The pictures are a little decieving,... the wheels are not actually on the car, they are rolled up next to it and the wheels already on it, making them appear a lot wider than they really are.

Still they are some big dogs no doubt !

The Arch rival is going all out.

crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #67, 10-22-2005 12:47 AM
      Jeez... that thing will have the ground clearance of a 4x4 truck.

timwdegner MSG #68, 10-22-2005 01:27 AM
      Looking forward to seeing this!! If the project has Madcurl's admiration, it's gotta be good . . .

And geez guys, why the hell would exotic and mad make this up? Lol. Think about it.

Gotta love the suspense.

Heretic MSG #69, 10-22-2005 03:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Big boy rims you say ??? How about LSR 20 x 11 on 305/25/20 (Rear) 35 mm offset.

Bigger and more expensive than anything madcurl has !!

A qoute from his archrival " Take that " !!


Still to come extensive body mods to tuck those puppies in, chop top, and (?) doors hehehehe.

stay tuuuuuuuuuunnnnned !

** Again i am just the messenger so please no rocks in my direction,..thanks **

I dont understand why someone would want 20 inch rims on a Fiero, Maybe its just me.


Songman MSG #70, 10-22-2005 10:50 AM
      Now everyone here knows that me and Curly are friends.. And he even gives me credit for bringing him into the online Fiero world... But I have to say here that I know the owner of this car and have even driven it a time or two. (Before ya'll start thinking you are narrowing down the location of the car, remember that I was just recently on a cross country trip.) Granted this car is not as far along in the process as either of Curly's cars but it is coming along! The owner has big plans for it and I agree that it will rival either of Curly's creations. (No offense, Curly)

This is definately a thread to watch!



jscott1 MSG #71, 10-23-2005 11:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Heretic:


I dont understand why someone would want 20 inch rims on a Fiero...

Why not? they look great. These wheels aren't even mounted, they will look much better once they are on the car.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #72, 10-23-2005 11:55 AM
     

Yeah those fiero guys sure are crazy ! I hear they are putting northstars, and corvette engines in those little firebugs too,..can you believe that ?!??

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #73, 10-23-2005 12:50 PM
      Crazy like a fox! You can't move a car with those rims with a little old duke ....

AJ7 (z28camaro_777@hotmail.com) MSG #74, 10-23-2005 02:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Heretic:


I dont understand why someone would want 20 inch rims on a Fiero, Maybe its just me.


they are slightly too big, i'd rather have 19 in the back and 18 in front


Mulholland_GT_Racer MSG #75, 10-23-2005 02:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Big boy rims you say ??? How about LSR 20 x 11 on 305/25/20 (Rear) 35 mm offset.

Bigger and more expensive than anything madcurl has !!

A qoute from his archrival " Take that " !!

Still to come extensive body mods to tuck those puppies in, chop top, and (?) doors hehehehe.

stay tuuuuuuuuuunnnnned !

** Again i am just the messenger so please no rocks in my direction,..thanks **

YUCK. 3 - SPOKES? WTF WAS THIS "CHALLENGER" thinking? They look like giant ford mustang v6 wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old wheels were 1 million times better than this **** . The first set of HRE's looked sooooooooo good.. why that filth? God, why?


SEE?



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #76, 10-23-2005 09:45 PM
      MULHOLLAND GT, Classic pontiac tri-spoke? I agree that better rims could have easily been purchased.. But if the car is tastefully done, it might turn out alright actually....

But I would have to agree the 19"s were really nice. But I think this person wants to "stand out"... And these do that exactly.

PURPLE REIGN (mp112fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #77, 10-23-2005 10:26 PM
     

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #78, 10-23-2005 10:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Crazy like a fox! You can't move a car with those rims with a little old duke ....

Hehehe trust me "ain't" no duke back there !!

(And yeah i said ain't for all you grammar hawks out there)

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 10-24-2005).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #79, 11-14-2005 07:41 PM
     

Uh oh,....stop the presses !

The challenger has changed his mind !

He is going with the same size, but a totally different wheel !

The wieght of the wheel a factor, plus he found something he liked better. Stay tuned !

riley MSG #80, 11-15-2005 12:42 AM
      what were the old wheels called? size? finish? and what is he doing with them?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #81, 12-10-2005 11:32 PM
      The Arch Rival has landed. Stay tuned!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #82, 12-11-2005 12:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

The Arch Rival has landed. Stay tuned!

Woooo, I must be pretty dense....... I finally just figured out what was going on here.

Arch

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #83, 12-11-2005 12:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

The Arch Rival has landed. Stay tuned!

Neither, rain, sleet, nor snow can stop the Arch Rival !!

May the transformation begin !!




jscott1 MSG #84, 12-11-2005 01:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Woooo, I must be pretty dense....... I finally just figured out what was going on here.

Arch

I call it Madcurl as Sybil.

Can't wait to see the progress pics!

Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #85, 12-12-2005 08:09 AM
      Why not use a crappy donor car?
The car your using looks great seems in too good condition to just modify everything.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #86, 12-12-2005 12:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Australian:

Why not use a crappy donor car?
The car your using looks great seems in too good condition to just modify everything.

Because in order to beat madcurl you have to bring the best !

He wants to top Curly's previous efforts.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #87, 12-24-2005 10:36 PM
     

The Rival has spoken !! Take that madcurl !!



drummer5 (drummer5@twcny.rr.com) MSG #88, 12-25-2005 12:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

The Rival has spoken !! Take that madcurl !!


Photoshop? what??


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #89, 12-25-2005 01:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by drummer5:

Photoshop? what??

Yep photoshop of work in progress,..sort of a final rendering.

$Rich$ (rich@sio.midco.net) MSG #90, 12-25-2005 01:43 AM
      differant

[This message has been edited by $Rich$ (edited 12-25-2005).]

timwdegner MSG #91, 12-25-2005 10:21 AM
      Seeing that was a very nice Christmas present. =D

[This message has been edited by timwdegner (edited 09-03-2006).]

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #92, 12-25-2005 12:36 PM
      Looks pretty good! I have to ask though, are those the tri spoke rims in that picture? They look like madcurls on that angle for some reason..... lol I like the hoodscoops!

Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #93, 12-25-2005 01:06 PM
      Arch rival, Arch(rival)ie, Chop Tops. I smell a fix.

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #94, 12-25-2005 01:20 PM
      i like the C6 lights in the front...

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #95, 12-25-2005 02:40 PM
      http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043192-5.html

GmetalGT (chriswebb11@hotmail.com) MSG #96, 12-26-2005 12:35 PM
      Is there anything real done to this car, besides photoshop and placing a wheel beside the car? I mean, come on.

ryan.hess (ryan.h@excite.com) MSG #97, 12-26-2005 12:55 PM
      those vents aren't going to be functional, they're too far forward.....

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #98, 12-26-2005 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ryan.hess:

those vents aren't going to be functional, they're too far forward.....

Somehow I can see how they can be by the fender lines... The nose can be quite decieving...

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #99, 12-29-2005 12:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GmetalGT:

Is there anything real done to this car, besides photoshop and placing a wheel beside the car? I mean, come on.

Total fabrication.

This is the fiero version of Orson Wells " War of the Worlds"..........

Now back to reality

The car is at Archie's being chopped, the Flip up front is at Norm's being modified to host the corvette lamps, the northstar engine is in the back of the car, and the secret rear mod is awaiting the finish of the chop.

In the begining the owner had a totally different plan for this car that involved a lot of already completed work, but as you can see plans change !

Anything else ?



FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #100, 12-29-2005 12:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I can see why Curley calls stock roofed Fieros "Bubbletops".

The funny thing is that the Bubbletop in these pics is Curley's

Archie

P.S. it almost looks like a Taxi Cab.

hmmm, who is the arch-rival?
why would the madcurl himslef tell me to make this photoshop?
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Thanks FieroWannabe for doing the photoshop the way I invisioned. Although I like yours too Fourtpoint9....both styles, no doubt look very good and I would love to have both. Just like the Redux, those who perform the photoshop share "in" the over-all creation and enjoyment. The idea is to learn from one style and then transfer those ideas onto another pipe dream. Besides, who wants the same style throughout, right?

You guys, Fill free to add your input in re-arranging various parts. IMO...."Tweekness is my weakness."


Edit: Oh yeah, could someone (photoshop) and raise the rear wing? Please, add your comments if you like. This modificatio is opened for debate, but no flames.

Thanks.

Madcurl



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #101, 01-04-2006 09:32 PM
      Curley, can you have the Arch Rival call me tomorrow, also check your EMail.

BTW, tell him this one is coming along very nice.

Archie

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #102, 01-05-2006 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley, can you have the Arch Rival call me tomorrow, also check your EMail.

BTW, tell him this one is coming along very nice.

Archie



ToonTownfiero MSG #103, 01-05-2006 02:25 PM
      Any recent spy shots of this one?



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #104, 01-09-2006 10:56 PM
     

No pics to speak of yet, but this project is reportedly moving right along !!

cheetah MSG #105, 01-09-2006 11:13 PM
      If this is going to be a thread on showing off the wheel area, I'll throw this one is of my car:

This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.

Bigger / better looking brakes are a must with open rims! My rims are forged centerline's (17's only weigh 13 lbs). Zinc plated Brembo rotors with 12" Corvette brakes. 225/45/17 Nitto's.




YELLOWFIERO88 (yellowfiero88@aol.com) MSG #106, 01-09-2006 11:45 PM
      Exotic, this is a funny thread. Just cracking up over how mad people got about the first few post I dont know but............... I might have to battle curly with the VERT (minus the big wheels he has. I got 10's , but I keep them clean tho )



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #107, 01-09-2006 11:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by YELLOWFIERO88:

Exotic, this is a funny thread. Just cracking up over how mad people got about the first few post I dont know but............... I might have to battle curly with the VERT (minus the big wheels he has. I got 10's , but I keep them clean tho )

Yeah it looks like i recieved a few negatives from people who thought i was dissing curly !

I must have said it a million times it was not my car, and that i was just the messenger.

Maybe those people will now rectify the wrong ?

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 01-09-2006).]

YELLOWFIERO88 (yellowfiero88@aol.com) MSG #108, 01-10-2006 01:01 AM
      I'll give you the pos rating to make up for the others It aint your fault if they cant take a joke !!!!

Edit: cant give you 2 +'s. LOL

[This message has been edited by YELLOWFIERO88 (edited 01-10-2006).]

dozol (dominikzolkos@poczta.onet.pl) MSG #109, 01-10-2006 01:33 AM
      i saw this car at archie's and it looks awesome.
great job archie !


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #110, 01-10-2006 01:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dozol:

i saw this car at archie's and it looks awesome.
great job archie !

Yeah this car may reshape the fiero landscape and have some folks reaching for their wallets if certian parts get remade ?

dozol (dominikzolkos@poczta.onet.pl) MSG #111, 01-10-2006 01:47 AM
      i think for sure that someone will do the same thing
someone could sell a kit or something, that would be cool !!!

i cant wait to see the finished car.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #112, 01-10-2006 01:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dozol:

i think for sure that someone will do the same thing
someone could sell a kit or something, that would be cool !!!

i cant wait to see the finished car.

What ever it is that Archie and the crew are doing, will no doubt become a "cool" mod------especially if it's on a choptop, hehe.


ToonTownfiero MSG #113, 01-10-2006 03:38 PM
      Exoticse
I never gave you a minus before but I will help give you a better green bar.
I gave you a plus.



30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #114, 01-10-2006 08:28 PM
      I'll call the rival "Bender" like the robot on Fox

and as in rim bender.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #115, 01-22-2006 12:42 AM
      The Arch Rival's Norm's flip up nose undergoing surgery !

Corvette lamps here we come !!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #116, 01-22-2006 01:13 AM
      New vents for the soon to be custom dash !

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 01-22-2006).]

ToonTownfiero MSG #117, 01-22-2006 01:52 AM
      Very promising.

88White3.4GT MSG #118, 01-22-2006 02:16 AM
      awesome !

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #119, 01-22-2006 03:04 AM
      Hmm. I noticed some glassing going on in the back ground. Looks like the Soltise is getting tricked out




fiero_silva (dynocompebmxer@hotmail.com) MSG #120, 01-22-2006 12:45 PM
      SWEET~!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #121, 01-22-2006 01:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hmm. I noticed some glassing going on in the back ground. Looks like the Soltise is getting tricked out


Hmm. From what I heard...the Solstice will appear at the Daytona show with special ground FX along with the Corvette front flipper for display at the show. Hmm. I wonder if people will jump to purchase the Corvette FF and the Solstice ground FX?


Edit: Sorry Arch Rival dude, I own pg. 4, hehe


jscott1 MSG #122, 01-22-2006 06:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

From what I heard...the Solstice will appear at the Daytona show with special ground FX along with the Corvette front flipper for display at the show. Hmm. I wonder if people will jump to purchase the Corvette FF and the Solstice ground FX?

Dang it Archie, and Norm, my budget can't support tricking out brand new cars (solstice)

Maybe when the Soltices hit the used market at less than $5K


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #123, 01-27-2006 06:49 PM
      Oh, ooh...Red Eye alert! The Arch Nemesis has awakened!

88White3.4GT MSG #124, 01-27-2006 08:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Oh, ooh...Red Eye alert! The Arch Nemesis has awakened!

huh???

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #125, 01-27-2006 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Oh, ooh...Red Eye alert! The Arch Nemesis has awakened!

Hehehe,....uhhhh i think this is what he meant !

A Norm flip up nose,....curly style. Good job Norm !

CETICARS MSG #126, 01-27-2006 11:26 PM
      will the front bumper opening be changed to the yellow car or stay like this ,I REALLY like the yellow one

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #127, 01-27-2006 11:40 PM
      This is just the begining stage. The biggest change Norm was working on now was making changes for the corvette headlamps.

There are more changes in store for the piece.

Not sure if Norm is finishing that portion or Curly is doing it himself, but more mods are definatly to come. BTW,..Norm or Madcurl would have to confirm, but i believe this piece will be on display at Daytona if you are interested !

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 01-28-2006).]

jscott1 MSG #128, 01-28-2006 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Not sure if Norm is finishing that portion or Curly is doing it himself...

Why would Madcurl be workig on his Arch Rival's car?



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #129, 01-28-2006 01:21 PM
      looking good "Arch Rival". I may have to go to Daytona just to see this work of art.

[This message has been edited by troyboy (edited 01-28-2006).]

88White3.4GT MSG #130, 01-28-2006 01:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Hehehe,....uhhhh i think this is what he meant !

nice!

The_Ikon MSG #131, 01-28-2006 02:45 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by exoticse:

This is just the begining stage. The biggest change Norm was working on now was making changes for the corvette headlamps.

There are more changes in store for the piece.

Not sure if Norm is finishing that portion or Curly is doing it himself, but more mods are definatly to come. BTW,..Norm or Madcurl would have to confirm, but i believe this piece will be on display at Daytona if you are interested !


Nice concept!


Seanpaul (seanscarbrough@gmail.com) MSG #132, 02-05-2006 05:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

The Rival has spoken !! Take that madcurl !!

Ok, you make that a kit, or offer the work, and I'll buy it...

How much?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #133, 02-05-2006 02:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Seanpaul:

Ok, you make that a kit, or offer the work, and I'll buy it...
How much?

From What Norm said to me, the front flipper kit will be at the Daytona show. I don't know the cost but, the Corvette headlamps are not cheap.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #134, 02-09-2006 11:04 AM
     

Curly any new pics from Norm ??



The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #135, 02-09-2006 09:25 PM
      how bout some of the pics of the secret rear clip mod that we kinda get a sneak peak of in that other thread.

KeithGT (egl93talon@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 02-09-2006 11:35 PM
      thank god hes not using those crappy looking 3 spoke rims, they look like they belong on a jacked up cutlass in the ghetto. and curly, i love your car...hope this beast come out just as well, and from the looks of it, it will....but its definatly ganna take some sweet rims to top the ones you have now...those are the best looking rims ive ever seen on a fiero.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #137, 02-10-2006 07:47 AM
     

The vents for the soon to be custom dash are in !



ToonTownfiero MSG #138, 02-10-2006 11:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

The vents for the soon to be custom dash are in !


Are those from a Tiburon?



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #139, 02-11-2006 12:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ToonTownfiero:

Are those from a Tiburon?


Nope F150.


yellowstone MSG #140, 02-11-2006 05:27 AM
      Mazdas use the same...

 
quote
Originally posted by ToonTownfiero:

Are those from a Tiburon?




RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #141, 02-11-2006 07:59 AM
      Yeah, except for the chrome rings, they're the same as my Mazda 6.

Bob

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #142, 02-11-2006 10:41 AM
     
lets get some prgress updates


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #143, 02-11-2006 01:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Yeah, except for the chrome rings, they're the same as my Mazda 6.

Bob

I've priced those vents at $24 bucks a piece.

 
quote
Originally posted by FieroWannaBe:
lets get some progress updates

I talked to Norm. He said, "more pics...sometime next week." Besides the N. F.F. project, other major Crunch-time projects are due prior to the Daytona Show.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #144, 02-13-2006 01:54 AM
     



4-mulaGT (vettemanzo6@hotmail.com) MSG #145, 02-16-2006 10:04 PM
      well heres an unofficial update

OMFG that looks so awesome

From the way it looks in that pic a spoiler would ruin the look.

[This message has been edited by 4-mulaGT (edited 02-16-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #146, 02-17-2006 10:35 AM
     

Hehehe madcurl's mind is like a river,...always flowing with ideas.

He has long since changed his mind on the spoiler.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #147, 02-18-2006 03:46 PM
      Normandy Invasion: Status.

I called Norm. No current pics. 2005 Corvette fog lamps & side markers will be on their way to Norm.

Anyway sneek peek

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 09-25-2006).]

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #148, 02-18-2006 10:12 PM
     
somehting a little closer to the concept drawing


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #149, 02-18-2006 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroWannaBe:


somehting a little closer to the concept drawing


no wing? T_T


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #150, 02-18-2006 10:26 PM
      Hey Fierowannabe, can you photo shop the 2005 Corvette fog lamps?

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #151, 02-18-2006 10:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hey Fierowannabe, can you photo shop the 2005 Corvette fog lamps?

Do you mean in place of the round fog lights?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #152, 02-18-2006 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroWannaBe:


Do you mean in place of the round fog lights?

Yes. Or can you place them into this pic where the rt side lower opening.

After stopping by the Chevy place. I decided to use the 2005 corvette fog lamps.




FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #153, 02-18-2006 10:58 PM
      the picture is not working for me.
i got it in IE, stupid firefox

[This message has been edited by FieroWannaBe (edited 02-18-2006).]

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #154, 02-18-2006 11:15 PM
      EDIT:
photo updated

[This message has been edited by FieroWannaBe (edited 02-19-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #155, 02-19-2006 12:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Normandy Invasion: Status.

I called Norm. No current pics. 2005 Corvette fog lamps & side markers will be on their way to Norm.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #156, 02-19-2006 02:27 AM
      That one-piece glass face design will no doubt smooth out the air flow on the nose piece. I like using today's part and adding them on our cars, hehe. Let the GM designers do all of the work...and let me go shopping at your nearby GM parts dept.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-19-2006).]

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #157, 02-19-2006 01:23 PM
     
tried to get a little closer hard to find quality pix of the both fog lamps


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #158, 02-19-2006 01:29 PM
      per request.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #159, 02-19-2006 02:58 PM
      Thanks FieroWannaBe and Exoticse for posting the "Revised" version, hehe. I personally think by using the complete Corvette package makes the front-end look----uniformed.

I'm sure Norm will have a blast coping the "revised" photoshop pic for the Daytona show.

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #160, 02-19-2006 05:42 PM
     

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #161, 03-12-2006 11:44 AM
      Nice work !!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #162, 03-12-2006 12:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bobert:

Nice work !!!


Thanks. I'm calling Norm on Monday for updates. With 12-days left before the show, I hope he'll have all of the Corvette lamps in place. For those in attendance it will be your "eye candy."


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #163, 04-07-2006 01:32 PM
     

Hey Norm,

Any new updates ??

pollock MSG #164, 04-07-2006 02:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:

Who made that rear clip? Are those for sale?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #165, 04-07-2006 02:52 PM
     

Depends on which one you talking about ??

pollock MSG #166, 04-10-2006 02:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Depends on which one you talking about ??

The white one, that those guys are standing next to.


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #167, 04-10-2006 02:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mulholland_GT_Racer:


YUCK. 3 - SPOKES? WTF WAS THIS "CHALLENGER" thinking? They look like giant ford mustang v6 wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old wheels were 1 million times better than this **** . The first set of HRE's looked sooooooooo good.. why that filth? God, why?


SEE?

QFT, very disappointing choice


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #168, 04-10-2006 03:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jermz238:


QFT, very disappointing choice

Due to Troyboy and Dowdian raising the bar, I thinks he's going to roll with these......
http://www.lambo-power.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14494

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 04-10-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #169, 04-12-2006 01:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Due to Troyboy and Dowdian raising the bar, I thinks he's going to roll with these......
http://www.lambo-power.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14494

Maaaaaaaaad Nice !! Hello !

Will-Martin MSG #170, 04-12-2006 01:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Due to Troyboy and Dowdian raising the bar, I thinks he's going to roll with these......
http://www.lambo-power.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14494

Need to log in to see those, can you post a pic here?



Will-Martin MSG #171, 04-12-2006 01:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pollock:


The white one, that those guys are standing next to.

That is a compete IMSA Fastback kit from Doug/Sage at Fiero Warehouse.

www.FieroWarehouse.com

--Will



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #172, 04-24-2006 12:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Due to Troyboy and Dowdian raising the bar, I thinks he's going to roll with these......
http://www.lambo-power.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14494



(Evil Grin) Hehehehe,....these are the ones he was talking about.





Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #173, 04-24-2006 12:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


(Evil Grin) Hehehehe,....these are the ones he was talking about.





OMFG, i need...a new pair of pants. those are TOO SWEET! seriously those are freakin hot!!


NorthFloridaFiero (mfs20001@gmail.com) MSG #174, 04-24-2006 01:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Depends on which one you talking about ??


how bout more info on that rear on the red car in the back?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #175, 04-24-2006 01:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NorthFloridaFiero:


how bout more info on that rear on the red car in the back?




No, no, no,...not yet !

Just kidding,..actually just read the thread, the answers are there.

 
quote
Originally posted by Jermz238:
OMFG, i need...a new pair of pants. those are TOO SWEET! seriously those are freakin hot!!


If you think that is hot, imagine them on an all black car like this one.

With a bold splash of color like this !

Hehehe not sure if Curly would go that bold with the black interior and black seats with red inserts but i think that really pops !

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 04-24-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #176, 05-01-2006 06:45 PM
     
Hey Norm. Any news on the headlamp project?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #177, 05-19-2006 06:20 PM
      NEWS FLASH: Norm has new pics. Stay Tuned!

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 05-19-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #178, 05-25-2006 01:45 AM
     
Still waiting on the pics from Norm.


normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #179, 05-25-2006 10:49 AM
      Hello I sent some pics to you, my PIP is not working as I did a reinstall on my computer and it erased pip. Thanks Norm

mysticfire6602 (amcamd6602@verizon.net) MSG #180, 05-25-2006 11:06 AM
      arch rival is an odd name for a car



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #181, 05-25-2006 02:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mysticfire6602:

arch rival is an odd name for a car



Its even more odd when the rival of the arch is in fact the owner of both cars? Humm?


mysticfire6602 (amcamd6602@verizon.net) MSG #182, 05-25-2006 03:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:


Its even more odd when the rival of the arch is in fact the owner of both cars? Humm?


thats how i meant it. im sure everybody knows its his by now



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #183, 05-25-2006 09:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mysticfire6602:


thats how i meant it. im sure everybody knows its his by now


Huh ?? You mean it was his car all along ????? Hehehehe.

Oooooook new pics from Norm are in !! Thanks Norm. Some good news as well.

Awaiting text back from Curly to authorize to post.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #184, 05-25-2006 11:08 PM
      New pics from Norm ! Both headlamps and foglamps all installed.

Progress







Side vents still to come on the side of the nose along with modifications to the hood vent.

The good news is Norm will likely be making a mold for this piece, with the cutouts for the vette lamps.

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88White3.4GT MSG #185, 05-26-2006 11:35 AM
      holy smokes! : 0 --|---<

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #186, 06-10-2006 05:57 PM
     
Bump for new updates from Norm ?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #187, 06-12-2006 03:41 PM
      News at 5: Norm has new ruff side marker/vents pics. Stay tuned!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #188, 06-14-2006 11:49 AM
      May i take your order ??





Coming soon,....... a slightly different take.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #189, 06-15-2006 08:22 PM
      Pink Goop (not the real name) ?

Some stuff Curly uses to polish his rims.



Look at the shine !



Wheels ( style 547 HREs with 305 tires) headed out to Archie's to help in body mod measuremetns for choptop #20.



A new set, possibly different style, will be on order subsequently.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #190, 06-21-2006 10:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:






I think it looks bigger in real life.

I pitty the poor sucka' that has to make those fit a Fiero.

.............. wait a minute, that would be me?!?!?

Archie


White88GT (nathan.kramer09@gmail.com) MSG #191, 06-22-2006 12:39 AM
      Please,
You must show us more pics of the rear clip on the new choptop. I am amazed how good it looks in the picture you already posted. You get a plus for your originality and insane dedication to modifying Fieros.

--Nathan--



FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #192, 06-22-2006 07:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

News at 5: Norm has new ruff side marker/vents pics. Stay tuned!


Tuned, and ready for pics.

A personal thanks to Curley for being helpful and allowing me to piggyback his efforts of updating the Fiero image. A personal thanks to Norm for working hard to meet goals, and grand respect for mastery of fiberglass, design, and will to make things right the first time. ::applause::

This will be my new color with Dietmar's side skirts, custom side scoops, and things that will go very well with Norm's/Curley's front end.



By the time I'm done, it will be much faster than the car it's headlight's are coming from!

Greg



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #193, 06-22-2006 08:46 PM
     





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fieroman87 (fieroman87@juno.com) MSG #194, 06-22-2006 09:14 PM
      HOLY CRAP!!!!!



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #195, 06-22-2006 09:52 PM
      Just in case anyone doesn't know, this wheel in the pictures is A wheel Curley bought for the Arch Rival.

However Curley, Troy & myself have been plotting to trial fit it to Troy's car to determine what size wheels Troy needs (it'll be trial fitted to Curleys car too).

Curley will have to post exactly what size & offset it is but as it is right now, it fits this IMSA perfectly.

Troy will have to post to tell us if his wheels are supposed to be wider than these are.

Troy & Curley, try to call me tomorrow.







Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #196, 06-22-2006 11:03 PM
     
Wheels make soooooo much of a difference.

Those look great and so will the rims troyboy is getting.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #197, 06-22-2006 11:06 PM
      Curly's rim looks sweet on the car!! His rims are 11" mine are 12" . I will call you, I think I will go with 1/2" in 1/2" out.

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Just in case anyone doesn't know, this wheel in the pictures is A wheel Curley bought for the Arch Rival.

However Curley, Troy & myself have been plotting to trial fit it to Troy's car to determine what size wheels Troy needs (it'll be trial fitted to Curleys car too).

Curley will have to post exactly what size & offset it is but as it is right now, it fits this IMSA perfectly.

Troy will have to post to tell us if his wheels are supposed to be wider than these are.

Troy & Curley, try to call me tomorrow.







Archie




Will-Martin MSG #198, 06-22-2006 11:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


If you think that is hot, imagine them on an all black car like this one.

With a bold splash of color like this !

Hehehe not sure if Curly would go that bold with the black interior and black seats with red inserts but i think that really pops !



Just a side note, but I think I saw this car on Unique Whips. They did the red leather inserts on the seats, a kicking stereo and of course those wicked wheels and tires.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #199, 06-23-2006 12:00 AM
      Yes this is that same car. It belongs to D.Wiggs, who lives in Columbus, Ohio.

He is originally from Pittsburgh however.

Have exchanged emails with him, both of us huge Steelers fans.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #200, 06-23-2006 06:44 PM
      WOW!!! The rim fits like a glove and not out of place (look's stock). I like how the rims hugs the upper lip and in front of the fend. I look forward to seeing it at Archie's reunion in Sept. Hey, Archie, I hope you have enough chairs???

My eyes are hurting...too much bling, hehe.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #201, 06-25-2006 01:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
However Curley, Troy & myself have been plotting to trial fit it to Troy's car to determine what size wheels Troy needs (it'll be trial fitted to Curleys car too).

Curley will have to post exactly what size & offset it is but as it is right now, it fits this IMSA perfectly.

Troy will have to post to tell us if his wheels are supposed to be wider than these are.
Archie


Edit: Due to the site having .5-1 and no .25 or .75 I rounded up to 36mm for the HRE rim offsett.


I called Jim about the off-sets used but Jim hasen't gotten back with HRE. Anyway, I did some research and have come up with my own conclusions; first off....here's the link.

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp


While I was at Custom Auto, Jim measured the "backspacing" on the 20x11 rim. The rim measured 6.5" backspacing.





The "formula" this site ( http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp ) resulted in the HRE rim being 14mm off-set. I tried using the other formula but it doesn't "jive" with the rim/spec site. Something is missing in the formula but I'll continue to plug-in the numbers. However, Troyboy measured the back spacing on a stock rims and the rim/spec site was correct in it's measurements.

Edit: for spec corrections.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #202, 06-28-2006 12:59 PM
      I plugged in the numbers from the rim/spec site ( http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp ) and found that the 20x11 rim with a 6.5" back spacing is an 14mm off-set. I still need to figure out how to do the numbers using the "old" formula.


In the meantime, it's OPERATION: MOON RAKER

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #203, 06-28-2006 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

I

In the meantime, it's OPERATION: MOON RAKER



Ok that's a cool name, care to elaborate.

Cherrs Beers n Gearz. Joe


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #204, 07-03-2006 01:23 PM
      Norm is Venting:

Both Vents and Corvette side markers are on! Norm is sending (ruff) pics today. Please stay tuned.

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Mr. Pat (patrickspratt@live.com) MSG #205, 07-03-2006 07:36 PM
      where's the bloody pics????



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #206, 07-11-2006 02:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr. Pat:

where's the bloody pics????



Pics are on the way soon. Norm was at a non-Fiero car show during the 4th and just got back on the 8th. FierogtGuy and me will sport the C6 flipper at the CTHC and the Fierorama show.

Norm....please send pics!!!



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #207, 07-14-2006 12:46 PM
     









FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #208, 07-14-2006 06:55 PM
     

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #209, 07-14-2006 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTguy:



PONTIAC EXCITEMENT lol


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #210, 07-19-2006 06:11 AM
     
What happens when Madcurl and V-8 Archie collaborate ??

Mad-Arching !







exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #211, 07-20-2006 04:48 PM
      No comments ? Hmmm well how's about a few pics of a mock up for this car's next mod ?







Note, the car pictured is not Madcurl's choptop #20 but rather his choptop #15.
This mod will be going on choptop #20.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #212, 07-20-2006 04:53 PM
      Oh yeah and back to the widebody work.





The true genius of Madcurl's work is usually not evident until it is mostly finished.

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THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #213, 07-20-2006 09:14 PM
      Nothing else to say, but I want more and WOW!

JG


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #214, 07-20-2006 10:17 PM
      Looking good!!

Sharkman MSG #215, 07-21-2006 05:03 AM
      Sweet

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #216, 07-21-2006 10:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

No comments ? Hmmm well how's about a few pics of a mock up for this car's next mod ?







Note, the car pictured is not Madcurl's choptop #20 but rather his choptop #15.
This mod will be going on choptop #20.



I hope you are going to use at least 4 layersa of glass over the plastic fender then remove it as glass will not hold permanently to the fender it will separeate in about 2 years I used smc rear clip sections to widen my rear clip

here is the link http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/033676-35.html

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 07-21-2006).]

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #217, 07-21-2006 02:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


I hope you are going to use at least 4 layersa of glass over the plastic fender then remove it as glass will not hold permanently to the fender it will separeate in about 2 years I used smc rear clip sections to widen my rear clip



It shouldn't if you used a TPO primer before the fiberglass...


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #218, 07-21-2006 02:45 PM
      All I can say if you move that piece of glass 2 feet forward it will fit perfectly in the hole in the roof

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #219, 07-21-2006 02:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:


It shouldn't if you used a TPO primer before the fiberglass...


it is the differance in materials that cause the separation glass dose not expand but the plastic fender is constantly contracting and expanding with changes in temp tested a quarter panel and it pulled apart on its own after 18 months and it was good and ruff before it was glassed


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #220, 07-22-2006 12:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


I hope you are going to use at least 4 layersa of glass over the plastic fender then remove it as glass will not hold permanently to the fender it will separeate in about 2 years I used smc rear clip sections to widen my rear clip



Archie lays it on very, very thick and since 2001 I haven't had any issues on #011, #015, The Redux, and hopefully #020.


 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

All I can say if you move that piece of glass 2 feet forward it will fit perfectly in the hole in the roof



Trust me, it will be moved forward, hehe. This idea hit me after #020 was dropped off which was a carry-over "pipe dream" from #011 when I was getting the hindges chromed. Not wanting either of the cars to be too clones, #020 was pinned for rear "flipperism."


Original idea from #011 (back in the day)

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rmphoto MSG #221, 07-22-2006 04:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
it is the differance in materials that cause the separation glass dose not expand but the plastic fender is constantly contracting and expanding with changes in temp tested a quarter panel and it pulled apart on its own after 18 months and it was good and ruff before it was glassed


i know youve said this a couple times before.. i dont know what you did, but ive had my panels glassed onto for years now, not one crack... theres also alot of other people who have glassed onto those panels and had no problems.




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #222, 07-22-2006 07:14 PM
     

More Madcurl Madness being implemented with #20.

Can you say operation Moon Raker !?!!





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #223, 07-25-2006 10:50 AM
      A different angle



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #224, 07-25-2006 11:03 AM
      I was seriously considering a powered moonroof. What is that off of, or is it an aftermarket piece?

Bob


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #225, 07-25-2006 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

I was seriously considering a powered moonroof. What is that off of, or is it an aftermarket piece?

Bob



http://www.webasto.us/am/en/am_auto_sunroofs.html


countach711 (johngates@hotmail.com) MSG #226, 07-25-2006 02:41 PM
      I think placing the sunroof glass there looks su-weet!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #227, 07-25-2006 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by countach711:

I think placing the sunroof glass there looks su-weet!


I think so too.


During my lunch, I paid a friendly RECON visit to the local Ford dealership today and viewed the GT40 and the Shelby GT. I was in “LURK” -mode plottin’ the GT40's sides deck vents and cost.

The side vents (lt & rt) of the rear deck glass are $117.69 per side. The deck lid vents below the deck glass are $198.68 per side. The rear deck lid glass is $1,572.68. The parts guy wasn't the usual person I normally buy parts from so he asked me if I drive mine. I told him.... yes. I do, hehe.

After I got the prices, I headed out front to where the GT40 and the Shelby on display. The sales rep remembers #015 and asked about the progress on the dash and stuff. He knew that I was up to my old tricks in purchasing various parts including parts from the GT40.




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #228, 07-25-2006 10:37 PM
     

The pics from the visit !











jscott1 MSG #229, 07-25-2006 10:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Original idea from #011 (back in the day)




Hmmmm - I had a similar idea from a temporary decklid storage....

I can't wait to see what you come up with.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #230, 07-25-2006 11:24 PM
     

Curly how did those measurements i sent you match up with what you were checking out ?

Close ?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #231, 07-26-2006 12:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Curly how did those measurements i sent you match up with what you were checking out ?

Close ?


I was unable to get measurements from the parts dept and I didn't have a measuring tape with me. I'll need to go back to the dealership this week. However, due to the GT40's rear window, the surrounding vents are longer but, I don't see any issues with them being "tweeked" to my taste. I just have to figure out where and how I would want to place them on #020.



RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #232, 07-26-2006 12:54 PM
      Hey MAD, Man I want to be like you when I finally grow up LOL, LOL,LOL. Man with all the stuff you are into I think you should add MADCASH to your screen name!! LOL,LOL Hope to be able to see your projects in person someday. Keep up the ideas!!
RUNDLC


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #233, 07-26-2006 11:13 PM
     

More madcurl pics and ideas brewing.





88White3.4GT MSG #234, 07-27-2006 02:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


What happens when Madcurl and V-8 Archie collaborate ??

Mad-Arching !




i spy a scoop where the qrt window would be... unless that's a nochie with the sail extended back?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #235, 08-03-2006 02:49 PM
     

Archie,

What kind of rivets are you using here to secure the new outer fender to the original stock fender ?



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #236, 08-03-2006 05:24 PM
      Those are self tapping screws, just used to see what it would look like on the car.

It'll take a lot more than screws or rivies to put that on there correctly.

Archie

[QUOTE]Originally posted by exoticse:
Archie,

What kind of rivets are you using here to secure the new outer fender to the original stock fender ?





Jake_Dragon MSG #237, 08-03-2006 06:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:



You need a new Tat to help you on your spy missions.

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cooguyfish (fish1042@email.com) MSG #238, 08-03-2006 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by exoticse:


What happens when Madcurl and V-8 Archie collaborate ??

Mad-Arching !




i spy a scoop where the qrt window would be... unless that's a nochie with the sail extended back?


O snap, after you pointed that out I looked up at the picture that is from the back and it looks like something like say, a decklid, would fit in the gap created. Look at the other picture, the one from the back angle, you'll see what I mean.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #239, 08-03-2006 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cooguyfish:


O snap, after you pointed that out I looked up at the picture that is from the back and it looks like something like say, a decklid, would fit in the gap created. Look at the other picture, the one from the back angle, you'll see what I mean.




Hehehe,....you won't believe what he has in store.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #240, 08-19-2006 02:24 PM
      The sculptered/hand polished 547 19x9 have been sent.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 08-20-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #241, 08-20-2006 01:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Hehehe,....you won't believe what he has in store.


The Pisa hood scoop has arrived awaiting Norm's C6 flipper. Oh Norm, there's only 3-weeks left....

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 08-20-2006).]

fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #242, 08-20-2006 01:56 PM
      are you puting a raised scoop on the front?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #243, 08-20-2006 02:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierogt3800:

are you puting a raised scoop on the front?






The original "pipe dream" thread here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043192-8.html

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 08-20-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #244, 08-21-2006 01:50 PM
      Here you go Archie:

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 08-21-2006).]

wicky (wickyman528e@aol.com) MSG #245, 08-21-2006 04:22 PM
      OMG curl, did you draw that?! That is sick as hell! I like those quarter panels! Very nice.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #246, 08-22-2006 08:42 PM
     

Archie and crew back at !

These pics showing the flaring (widening) of the Archie Style IRM rockers to flow better with the corresponding widebody.





madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #247, 08-25-2006 05:49 PM
      Normandy Invasion: Norm invades Machessney Park next Wednesday.

Status Report. Project C6 flipper is completed. What's left? Fine tuning and sanding prior to the invasion.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #248, 08-27-2006 10:35 PM
     
West coast/ East coast widebody connection !



FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #249, 08-27-2006 11:23 PM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #250, 09-01-2006 11:49 PM
      Some pics to update this thread a bit.....







Then we start fiberglassing it in.







More to come tomorrow.

Archie


Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #251, 09-02-2006 10:34 AM
      now i know to keep that melted rear facia i've got. thanks.

Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #252, 09-02-2006 11:44 AM
      but there's something i've always wondered and needed to know.

is there a different resin used for the facias? something more flexable? is it something a shade treer can buy somewhere?

i've used bumper epoxy on some projects but it'd take a bunch of tubes to do that much blending.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #253, 09-02-2006 11:52 AM
      I love how the hatchback is taking shape...is that gonna be a ducted vent behind the rear (rear!) window ?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #254, 09-02-2006 05:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Normandy Invasion: Norm invades Machessney Park next Wednesday.

Status Report. Project C6 flipper is completed. What's left? Fine tuning and sanding prior to the invasion.


The Invasion has been post pushed forward to next Tuesday. The Commander is a little behind, hehe.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #255, 09-02-2006 10:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
The Invasion has been post pushed forward to next Tuesday. The Commander is a little behind, hehe.


But the troops keep marchin' on.......

As you saw last time, we've fiberglassed & screwed the rear fender caps onto the rear clip.

Then we took the rear clip off & put metal bracketry on to keep the panel where we want it.

Then we foamed it, I didn't get any pictures of the metal work but I'll show you how we did it again on the rear bumper.

Here's the foam after it's been trimmed down on the undersides of the fenders...





Then we fiberglassed over the foam.......





All the foam really does in this case is to keep the parts in the desired shape. So we can put the fiberglass where we want it & not worry about gobs of filler cracking.

Here's how we did the rear bumper....

Once we got it to the shape we wanted it, we reached into the wheel well & installed these brackets.....



Then we close it in at the top with a pc. for flat material & some tape.....



............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #256, 09-02-2006 11:02 PM
      Now we get to do the foam....

Mix it, this is more than enough for both ends of the bumper.....



Pour some in.....



But not too much......just that little bit is going to be enough.....



And watch it grow.......







............



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #257, 09-02-2006 11:07 PM
      After it sets up, we trim it off flush. Then we will glass over the end like we did on the rear clip.



Now I gotta show you this picture........ I think this car has set a new record

Can you tell me what record I'm thnking of?



Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #258, 09-03-2006 12:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Now we get to do the foam....

Mix it, this is more than enough for both ends of the bumper.....



Pour some in.....



But not too much......just that little bit is going to be enough.....
............


Wow! Archie and crew are doing a great job.

That liquid stuff reminds me of old "Brellcream" comercial. Just a dab will do ya.....


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #259, 09-03-2006 07:56 AM
      Archie and curly are taking the fiero to the next level. I can't wait to see this awesome creation!


DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #260, 09-03-2006 09:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Now I gotta show you this picture........ I think this car has set a new record

Can you tell me what record I'm thnking of?


Archie


How about the Fiero buiilt with the most fenders and bumpers used ?



timwdegner MSG #261, 09-03-2006 09:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Can you tell me what record I'm thnking of?



I've seen some very multi-colored Fieros, but if I were to guess, I'd say that's the record. =P Or maybe amount of glassing done to mod the body?

I can't believe more people aren't commenting on that rear window you're putting in! That will look very sharp! It'll be nice to show off the engine, like on bubbajoe's stretch project. Yes, you definitely should make more windowed rear clips. Except, at $1500 per rear window glass...umm, ouch?







I assume this is the "at least one mod never ever done on a fiero?"

IMHO, it'd look better as it is in that last pic [without the GT40 below-the-rear-glass vents].

I don't know if it's painted yet, but your new chop would look awesome painted black, Curly - the red headlights would be the "bold splash of color" like the seats in:

[This message has been edited by timwdegner (edited 09-03-2006).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #262, 09-03-2006 10:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timwdegner:


I've seen some very multi-colored Fieros, but if I were to guess, I'd say that's the record. =P Or maybe amount of glassing done to mod the body?




Correct, that's what I was looking for. I think this is the "Most Colorful inprocess Fiero we've built" JScott's Chop was the previous record holder but I think it's been overtaken by this one. We have all different shades of Brown & Tan with Red & dark red, Black, Blue, Gray, Silver & shades of green (in the filler on the door). We have just about every color here.

 
quote
Originally posted by timwdegner:
I can't believe more people aren't commenting on that rear window you're putting in! That will look very sharp! It'll be nice to show off the engine, like on bubbajoe's stretch project. Yes, you definitely should make more windowed rear clips. Except, at $1500 per rear window glass...umm, ouch?





I assume this is the "at least one mod never ever done on a fiero?"

IMHO, it'd look better as it is in that last pic [without the GT40 below-the-rear-glass vents].



Remember in the Wizard of Oz movie. Where Toto, is pulling open the curtain on the old man pulling the levers & shouting into the microphone. The old man notices the curtain coming open behind him & shouts into the microphone, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

In my best Wizard of Oz voice, let me say, "Pay no attention to the rear windows you've seen before & Pay no attention to the rear window area you see now because it's all been redesigned once again.".

I'll have to get Curley's permission to tell you about the new plan & show you the mock-ups.

Archie


jscott1 MSG #263, 09-03-2006 11:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I think this is the "Most Colorful inprocess Fiero we've built" JScott's Chop was the previous record holder but I think it's been overtaken by this one. We have all different shades of Brown & Tan with Red & dark red, Black, Blue, Gray, Silver & shades of green (in the filler on the door). We have just about every color here.

Archie



It looks good...I definitely could do a widebody that way, but not on my #14... two years later I'm still trying to get it painted all one color. I never thought I would see those red and black panels on my car again, but it's sanded down to the base colors again! Argh




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #264, 09-03-2006 11:14 AM
     


Curly's redesigned version of the rear window, is much better IMO. If you like the old one, wait till you see the new one !

Hang in there Jscott,...the rewared will be worth it.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #265, 09-03-2006 11:46 PM
     

Man this thing is coming right down to the wire for the choptop reunion !

Cmon Norm, buddy u can make it happen !


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #266, 09-06-2006 12:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Man this thing is coming right down to the wire for the choptop reunion !

Cmon Norm, buddy u can make it happen !




General NormanSF has landed! (well, he's left and is in route, hehe).

The Deployment of Operation: C6 starts.......

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 09-06-2006).]

Songman MSG #267, 09-06-2006 01:22 PM
     

Uh-oh! Looks like I spied Bob's Corson 512sitting there. I am hoping that 6-speed makes it back in time for the Coast Run!

And the fiberglass parts on the rival are looking very cool!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #268, 09-06-2006 01:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

Uh-oh! Looks like I spied Bob's Corson 512sitting there. I am hoping that 6-speed makes it back in time for the Coast Run!

And the fiberglass parts on the rival are looking very cool!



I talked to Bob last night. Looks like he wants a set of HRE's.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #269, 09-07-2006 02:27 PM
      OPERATION: MIDNIGHT MADNESS



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #270, 09-07-2006 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

OPERATION: MIDNIGHT MADNESS


Norm's fiberglass is in the house !!





Norm Doing his thing.







[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 09-07-2006).]

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #271, 09-07-2006 09:00 PM
      Changed the lower edge infront of the tires
to go better with the rockers.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #272, 09-07-2006 09:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Changed the lower edge infront of the tires
to go better with the rockers.





Yes. I like tweeking, hehe. Thanks fourpoin9.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #273, 09-07-2006 09:42 PM
      Looking good Curly! It's almost that time...

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #274, 09-08-2006 10:01 AM
      If Curley checks PFF before he heads to the airport then he'll see this, otherwise you'll see the flipper before he does.



timwdegner MSG #275, 09-08-2006 10:09 AM
      Fantastic work Archie, Curly, Norm, and everyone else involved! I can't wait to see it painted.

I think Archie and Norm should share a shop.


Gokart Mozart MSG #276, 09-08-2006 06:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Curly's redesigned version of the rear window, is much better IMO. If you like the old one, wait till you see the new one !


 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

The Deployment of Operation: C6 starts.......



hmmmm.... maybe? sorry for the bad pic but it's not my fault

lets try this any photoshoppers?

[This message has been edited by Gokart Mozart (edited 09-08-2006).]

Gokart Mozart MSG #277, 09-08-2006 08:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:





What's that red panel behind the car?
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm....


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #278, 09-09-2006 05:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:
hmmmm.... maybe? sorry for the bad pic but it's not my fault
lets try this any photoshoppers?


Hmm that reminds me of this italian car
This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #279, 09-11-2006 04:12 PM
     
Is that part off some stage 2 scoops I see on the doors?

[This message has been edited by jmbishop (edited 09-11-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #280, 09-11-2006 07:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:


Is that part off some stage 2 scoops I see on the doors?




Yep !

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/042351.html


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #281, 09-11-2006 07:50 PM
      Archie, any chance you got some of curly's rims to toss on for a picture? Cuz it looks amazing, but its definately missing something in those wheel wells.. haha



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #282, 09-11-2006 08:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Archie, any chance you got some of curly's rims to toss on for a picture? Cuz it looks amazing, but its definately missing something in those wheel wells.. haha



You mean like this ?







cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #283, 09-11-2006 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:


Is that part off some stage 2 scoops I see on the doors?



How will you get to the motor to work on it?


87FieroGTx (jeremeyallen@gmail.com) MSG #284, 09-11-2006 09:23 PM
      What an amazing car!

No disrespect intended, but it really reminds me of the Factory Five GTM SuperCar.

http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html

Love them both!!


Plastic Man (evanritchie@shaw.ca) MSG #285, 09-11-2006 10:39 PM
      I think the front end looks to big with the chop, it will probable look better when it's painted

fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #286, 09-11-2006 10:45 PM
      I dig it..



Chris Hodson MSG #287, 09-12-2006 06:49 AM
      That foam looks fun. I hate the spray cans of foam. Good job!!!!

fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #288, 09-12-2006 01:09 PM
      Curly are you stickin the GT40 vents in the opening? or will that be a window?



Gokart Mozart MSG #289, 09-12-2006 08:03 PM
      A bit of a test fit
http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/DSCF1307_(Small).JPG

from http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/057364-3.html


Gokart Mozart MSG #290, 09-12-2006 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Plastic Man:

I think the front end looks to big with the chop, it will probable look better when it's painted


I think the hood is too flat. If you look at a Vette, there's a bit of a curve around the headlights.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #291, 09-12-2006 10:34 PM
     

The car looks great, but you shouldn't draw too many conclusions on what you see right now as madcurl has tons of tweeking he plans to do.


trots MSG #292, 09-13-2006 01:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:



i think that car should make like ashlee simpson and get a nose job.. that thing is huge! kinda overpowers the rest of the car in my opinion.




fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #293, 09-13-2006 01:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by trots:


i think that car should make like ashlee simpson and get a nose job.. that thing is huge! kinda overpowers the rest of the car in my opinion.


notice the wheel well gap? the car has not been lowered in the front and the rear has. thats what your seeing. once the front is lowered it will appeer much nicer.



Songman MSG #294, 09-13-2006 10:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by trots:


i think that car should make like ashlee simpson and get a nose job.. that thing is huge! kinda overpowers the rest of the car in my opinion.




I agree that the nose is too bulbous for a chopped Fiero. I was thinking it but didn't want to say anything.. The nose looks great on a stock Fiero because that is what it was designed for. I don't really know what could be done to remedy it at this point to make it flow better. It's not really the suspension height. It is the thickness of the actual nose.

I think part of the issue is that the rear edge of the hood goes straight across to cover the wipers and that makes it appeara lot higher than a stock Fiero hood. Add that to the chop and it just looks out of proportion to the sleek lines of the rest of the car.

[This message has been edited by Songman (edited 09-13-2006).]

normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #295, 09-13-2006 11:46 AM
      Hello , Songman I cant say youre wrong, though give it some time until the rest of the body work has been completed. Right now it looks like it sticks out at you as in a 3D movie, its only because its finished compared to the rest. Actually the front clip as a whole is slightly smaller than the stock front end and the height by the wipers is the same as stock, its just an illusion Thanks Norm

Songman MSG #296, 09-13-2006 12:01 PM
      I'm watching with interest, Norm. That was in no way a slight. Just an opinion of what I see in the pictures. I know it will look great when completed. The fact that it is in grey primer also makes it appear larger.

86fierofun MSG #297, 09-13-2006 01:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

I'm watching with interest, Norm. That was in no way a slight. Just an opinion of what I see in the pictures. I know it will look great when completed. The fact that it is in grey primer also makes it appear larger.


it looked better in photoshop. I think when it saved it it changed the hue a slight bit.


normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #298, 09-13-2006 01:32 PM
      Hello Songman, Oh no way did I take any offence I agree with your intent, not to worry it will look sharp when done. Photoshop looks better, can you put the wheel up to take the wheel gap out, make it look lower. Thanks Norm

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #299, 09-13-2006 01:51 PM
      norms front ends always look better in person than in pics.

normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #300, 09-13-2006 02:30 PM
      Hello, Wow and thankyou that was nice of you to say! Curlys front end is a brand new design incorporating C6 corvette headlights. Thanks again Norm

86fierofun MSG #301, 09-13-2006 04:27 PM
      here you go.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #302, 09-13-2006 04:34 PM
      Yeah i agree, that picture gives a really decieving angle of the car making the front end appear to be larger than life so to speak. It is an illusion.

Norm said it is actually smaller than the stock one ! I have seen Norm's noses in person, he does great work and they are not excessively large.

Pictures can never do true art justice. Great job Norm.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 09-13-2006).]

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #303, 09-13-2006 04:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by normsf:

Hello, Wow and thankyou that was nice of you to say! Curlys front end is a brand new design incorporating C6 corvette headlights. Thanks again Norm


Does that mean I get a free one, J/k
I still can't figure out what I want done to the front end of my project if anything.


fullcircle MSG #304, 09-13-2006 05:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:



I think the best looking part is the guy in the background.


86fierofun MSG #305, 09-14-2006 12:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:

here you go.


I kind of wish I had a different angle to work with. I also feel bad that I "erased" the door flare on the first pic and had to add it in on the second. I think it looks pretty cool.


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #306, 09-14-2006 10:55 PM
      once its done, how are you going to work on the motor? are you gonna flip it a la GT40? or do you have to drop the cradle to check the oil?

EDIT: looks sweet, forgot to give props to all involved, im jealous

[This message has been edited by Jermz238 (edited 09-14-2006).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #307, 09-15-2006 01:11 PM
      We are currently working on mounting the 350Z rear window into the Arch Rival today.

I'll be posting a complete update tonight, but I thought I'd give you a little taste.

This is the new rear window framework. The rear window will actually be mounted onto this framework. It's made of heavy wall retangular box tubing (size .75"x1.50" & 2"x1") Note that theupper and lower cross bars are countoured each way. This whole pc. was bent & made by hand & it's a work of art.



More neat stuff on the late news tonite.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #308, 09-15-2006 10:58 PM
      Looks like demand is real high for an update, so here we go......

A couple more pics of the window frame Rob made.

This isn't actually a frame, it's the part of the opening rear deck that the window will be bonded to.

There will be no frame around the window it'self.





See how it matches up with the shapes of the window....





The framework is going to be replacing the framework we made for the last design (the one you've been seeing all along).

It will replace the top bar & the 2 side bars. (see arrows)



.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #309, 09-15-2006 11:13 PM
      Because of the curve in the front edge of the window we have to change the arc of the roof section behind the sunroof.

We also have to redesign the hinges & mount them higher.

So after the new curve of the roof is complete, we will have to remove the original bodywork in that area.





We've already cut the radius where the base of the window will meet the original decklid.

With the curve of the 350Z window from left to right & the shape of the trailing edge of the window & the angle that this glass is going to lay at, the window intersects the decklid almost perfectly.





I'll post more tomorrow if you'd like.

Archie

P.S. I know that some think this thing is funny looking and some even think it's a copy of something else. You'll see it's a one of a kind. Curley don't build no copies.

A

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 09-16-2006).]

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #310, 09-16-2006 12:17 AM
      I want to see a good side view to see ho well it matches the roof line.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #311, 09-16-2006 12:41 PM
      I had the chance to be with curly at archie's and hear some of the plans for this car. Archie is right it's going to be one of a kind and a killer fiero. Curly has a good eye and knows what needs to be tweaked and Archie has the crew to do it right.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #312, 09-16-2006 01:23 PM
      Oh Baby!!!

Hey Archie, I ordered Rodney Dickman's 1" lowering kit. The kit should arrive on Tuesday or Wednesday and the Dakota Digital's assembly will arrive on Friday. Whereas the Z06 13" brake kit from D1S will have to wait...I'll have to drive slow on my way back to Caleefornia, hehe.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #313, 09-16-2006 01:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jermz238:

once its done, how are you going to work on the motor? are you gonna flip it a la GT40? or do you have to drop the cradle to check the oil?

EDIT: looks sweet, forgot to give props to all involved, im jealous



Ah, it's a N* so there is no maintenance....just add oil and gas, hehe j/k. As you can see, the 350Z rear window is pretty wide which, will allow for checking the fluids and all other items can be checked by using the N* dash unit. Oh yeah, thanks for the compliments------good or bad. It's all good.

As for the front nose being too big? You'll have to view it in person due to the primer and various rear end mods. In reality it's no bigger than RVehalen's front flipper but, the C6 headlamps due appear to make the front nose stand out however, the Mad-Arching flares even things out.

I hope to devue #020 at D7 (granted, other fellow choptop owner will roll?) or you can view the car at Archie's before I arrive next month.



Gokart Mozart MSG #314, 09-16-2006 01:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

The car looks great, but you shouldn't draw too many conclusions on what you see right now as madcurl has tons of tweeking he plans to do.


The last thing I want to do is draw conclusions. I like to guess but I don't have a clue what he has in store for the car. I havn't seen Norm's nose in person yet but I can't wait. The designs put into this car looks great and I can't wait to see it in person and in one (if that's what he's going to do) color. Keep the pics coming and continue to give ideas to everyone else, not to mention making their mouths salivate.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #315, 09-16-2006 02:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

The designs put into this car looks great and I can't wait to see it in person and in one (if that's what he's going to do) color. Keep the pics coming and continue to give ideas to everyone else, not to mention making their mouths salivate.


I'll have more pics on the Pisa hood scoop on Sunday (not mounted but laying on top). The Pisa hood scoop makes the Norm C6 flipper "pop." Dr. CPU was the first to inform me that it looks mean and aggresive. It also "visually" enhances the over-all look of the C6 flipper.



Sharkman MSG #316, 09-16-2006 02:39 PM
      Great work. I love the rear window idé.



Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #317, 09-16-2006 10:28 PM
      How did you decide on the 350 window, and what others did you consider?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #318, 09-16-2006 10:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

How did you decide on the 350 window, and what others did you consider?



Every since #011, I've been eye ballin' the 350Z window. I did all of the measurements, angle, and cost compared to others such as, the Audi, Infinity, and even the NSX's. The 350Z was by far the cheapest and perhaps the "best" fit. The Prism also has a nice window which is pretty close to the Fords' GT40 in size. All of the other cars that have a similar shape where either, exotic (which cost too much) or I couldn't get the exact size from the dealerships.

The worse case scenerio would be that the 350Z wouldn't fit (The 350 rear window is about $240-80ish). The main problem was trying it out on a choptop for w/o it, I'd think the angle may look funny on a bubble top Fiero? The easy part was having Archie and crew work on it w/o rushing the job. There's a lot of talent brewing at the shop waiting be unleashed and I hope to have them work on another "pipe dream" but that'll have to wait. Maybe somebody else will drop-by and unleash the talented crew???


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #319, 09-16-2006 11:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A couple more pics of the window frame Rob made.

This isn't actually a frame, it's the part of the opening rear deck that the window will be bonded to.

There will be no frame around the window it'self.




.........


Looks like the frame was made by GM. Excellent work and the curviture is perfect!



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #320, 09-17-2006 02:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by trots:


i think that car should make like ashlee simpson and get a nose job.. that thing is huge! kinda overpowers the rest of the car in my opinion.



A comparison view using a "painted" front nose flipper








The same flipper.



Songman MSG #321, 09-17-2006 10:28 AM
      Curly, I know it is going to look great when done. I have enough faith in you, Archie, and Norm for that... But the black car is not chopped. I know the nose looks great on a stock height Fiero. The chopped top makes the front look huge! But I'm waiting to see the end result instead of worrying about it now...

It's 5 weeks till the Coast Run.. I expect you to be there this year in some car! I'm the one that got you here and you go to everyone's events but mine! Get a car ready and come on! haha


trots MSG #322, 09-17-2006 03:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


A comparison view using a "painted" front nose flipper
The same flipper.


well that does look good all painted up. but with the chop i dunno. but im sure it will look 10x better painted all one color... so get to work



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #323, 09-17-2006 04:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

Curly, I know it is going to look great when done. I have enough faith in you, Archie, and Norm for that... But the black car is not chopped. I know the nose looks great on a stock height Fiero. The chopped top makes the front look huge! But I'm waiting to see the end result instead of worrying about it now...

It's 5 weeks till the Coast Run.. I expect you to be there this year in some car! I'm the one that got you here and you go to everyone's events but mine! Get a car ready and come on! haha



Curly hehehe sounds to me like you owe Songman !



chopfren-z MSG #324, 09-17-2006 05:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


A comparison view using a "painted" front nose flipper


The same flipper.

[This message has been edited by chopfren-z (edited 09-17-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #325, 09-17-2006 05:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by chopfren-z:


Can someone photoshop chop the black car.


Please post request to this thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/048337.html



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #326, 09-17-2006 07:32 PM
     

#20 lighting up the C6's











exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #327, 09-17-2006 07:34 PM
      Uh did u also notice the new mock up of the pisa hood scoop ?











Thoughts ???

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 09-17-2006).]

Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #328, 09-17-2006 08:14 PM
      holy hell i dont think you'll be able to see over the hood too well, and the scoop eliminates what little visibility you had. it looks awesome but appears to be impractical/unsafe.

86fierofun MSG #329, 09-17-2006 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Uh did u also notice the new mock up of the pisa hood scoop ?





Thoughts ???



eeeehh, now i'm not so sure. I think that is too much height on the hood. I liked how the hood sloped down without the scoop. Can you get the whole car in a side shot?

[This message has been edited by 86fierofun (edited 09-17-2006).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #330, 09-17-2006 08:24 PM
      Funny i am not a big fan of those types of hood scoops but i actually like this one.

My biggest beef with them usually is the height, but i gotta disagree with you guys, i don't think it is very high at all, in fact i am surprised at how low it is.

Looks good to me and having sat in a choptop i don't think it will affect the visibility at all IMO.

[This message has been edited by exoticse (edited 09-17-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #331, 09-17-2006 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jermz238:

holy hell i dont think you'll be able to see over the hood too well, and the scoop eliminates what little visibility you had. it looks awesome but appears to be impractical/unsafe.


Hehe. I forgot to ask Skitime if he could see over his hood. Remember, part of the flattened area will be removed for a smooth transition (maybe 2-3mm reduced?).








86fierofun MSG #332, 09-17-2006 10:01 PM
      I fixed some things for you madcurl. I tried to put the new scoop on too, but the angle of the previous shots were just to far off to work

edit: My last tweek. It needed the maker lights

[This message has been edited by 86fierofun (edited 09-17-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #333, 09-17-2006 11:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Looks good to me and having sat in a choptop i don't think it will affect the visibility at all IMO.



I'll have ask Archie for a sit n' tha chair peek.

 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:

I fixed some things for you madcurl. I tried to put the new scoop on too, but the angle of the previous shots were just to far off to work


Thanks 86fierofun. It look much better.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 09-17-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #334, 09-18-2006 12:23 AM
      New fresh Pipe dreams from FieroWannaBe -----



86fierofun MSG #335, 09-18-2006 12:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

New fresh Pipe dreams from FieroWannaBe -----


lol. that looks so much better than what i did. lol


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #336, 09-18-2006 12:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:


lol. that looks so much better than what i did. lol


Hmm. Both look good to me.

Here's 86.... pumping out "smooth vent" dreams.






86fierofun MSG #337, 09-18-2006 12:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Hmm. Both look good to me.

Here's 86.... pumping out "smooth vent" dreams.


lol. pmed you a better version (thanks for letting me steal your window fierowannabe )


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #338, 09-18-2006 01:01 AM
      Just a thought, what if you moved the grill hole and foglights up?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #339, 09-18-2006 01:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:


lol. pmed you a better version (thanks for letting me steal your window fierowannabe )


86fierofun-------a.k.a "The Dream Catcher" having late nite fun.


Curved, smoothed, and floored.


FieroRush88 (aaron.ordway@okstate.edu) MSG #340, 09-18-2006 01:29 AM
      i dont like it, those lights overpower the front end.

88White3.4GT MSG #341, 09-18-2006 08:44 AM
      i think it'd be good if you could shave that pisa hood scoop down low, it looks bulky.
If you can't shave it down, leave it out. Looks good with out it anyways


dmancheno MSG #342, 09-18-2006 09:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroRush88:

i dont like it, those lights overpower the front end.



 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

i think it'd be good if you could shave that pisa hood scoop down low, it looks bulky.
If you can't shave it down, leave it out. Looks good with out it anyways



IMO.... I agree X2


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #343, 09-18-2006 12:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


86fierofun-------a.k.a "The Dream Catcher" having late nite fun.


Curved, smoothed, and floored.



looks better


DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #344, 09-18-2006 01:00 PM
      Well, all I can say is you have to see it in person to really appreciate the scoop, lights etc.

I like the regular clip - but I think Madcurls car does the scoop justice. You need to see the "whole" car to appreciate it. Myself - two thumbs up!!

The 1" the scoop does cut into the winscreen vision is - already deformed - so chop owners don't use the bottom 1 1/2" inches of the windscreen. No extra loss of visibility.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #345, 09-18-2006 01:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dmancheno:

IMO.... I agree X2


Too late. The hood scoope is on....sorry.



Sharkman MSG #346, 09-18-2006 04:43 PM
      What kind of mirrors will you use,
Would be nice with some aftermarket ones in the body color too trick the eye with the front - door line if you know what I mean.
With the original ones you have a 1 - 1 1/2" drop in the body line. from the hood too the door.
Placing a mirror in the front/upper area of the door will do the trick



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #347, 09-18-2006 05:06 PM
     

A downward shot.





exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #348, 09-18-2006 10:09 PM
     


86fierofun MSG #349, 09-18-2006 10:31 PM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #350, 09-19-2006 10:19 AM
     





normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #351, 09-19-2006 10:36 AM
      Hello, Wow great job on the photoshop. Archie and his crew are working hard, looks good. Thanks Norm

THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #352, 09-19-2006 12:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:

I fixed some things for you madcurl. I tried to put the new scoop on too, but the angle of the previous shots were just to far off to work

edit: My last tweek. It needed the maker lights





This is my favorite!

JG (my 2 cents)


yellowstone MSG #353, 09-19-2006 12:35 PM
      Too nose-heavy. Looks like to front engine car... what is the point of that, having a Fiero?

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:






madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #354, 09-19-2006 03:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by yellowstone:

Too nose-heavy. Looks like to front engine car... what is the point of that, having a Fiero?



This Pisa scoop is a "piggy-back" mod similar to the Ausie door rocker. In order for me to achive the desired "look" I needed this part. Don't worry Yellowstone, it ain't finished until the last layer of fiberglass is dry, hehe.
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I'll post more tomorrow if you'd like.

Archie

P.S. I know that some think this thing is funny looking and some even think it's a copy of something else. You'll see it's a one of a kind. Curley don't build no copies.



Hehe. Please do.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #355, 09-19-2006 09:09 PM
     

a few more for madcurl







86fierofun MSG #356, 09-19-2006 10:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by normsf:

Hello, Wow great job on the photoshop. Archie and his crew are working hard, looks good. Thanks Norm


Thanks!!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #357, 09-20-2006 09:06 PM
      Whoever said that the 350Z rear window was going to look bad in this car better not look at these pics.









exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #358, 09-21-2006 12:22 AM
      It cracks me up Archie,...

Madcurl without a doubt has the single best eye for design and what looks good on a fiero than anybody i have seen on the forum,...period.

The guy never rolls a gutter ball.

As things develop, a lot of doubters will be doing some major backpeddling.

I love it.

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Oslo (chris@tlg-auto.com) MSG #359, 09-21-2006 12:42 AM
      Wow. I wish I had the kind of time/money to dump into a project Fiero like this! We are witnessing the American Dream.

86fierofun MSG #360, 09-21-2006 01:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




can you get that shot with the whole car in it or is that forbidden as of yet?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #361, 09-21-2006 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Whoever said that the 350Z rear window was going to look bad in this car better not look at these pics.





Looks like "factory" to me. A big thumbs up to Archie and the crew.

Edit: I own pg 10, hehe.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 09-21-2006).]

Sharkman MSG #362, 09-21-2006 02:01 PM
      Sweet!!!!!
Thats a mod I would like on my car.
Will you have an open space from the inside of the car and back or will you keep the rear original window and show of the engine under the new?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #363, 09-21-2006 02:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Sweet!!!!!
Thats a mod I would like on my car.
Will you have an open space from the inside of the car and back or will you keep the rear original window and show of the engine under the new?


The original rear window (behind the driver) will be intact (as-is) similar to Bob Rutz Ferrari replica. The proximal area above the trunk will need the original cover over this area but I may have the 350Z glass "tinted" into a shape that'll hide this void area? It's perhap ranks "last" on the list although I've thought of different pipe dreams since.

Now, comes the Camero bow-tie/Fiero Store thingie. A raised stock wing will not be placed on #020.



jscott1 MSG #364, 09-21-2006 02:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Will you have an open space from the inside of the car and back


You wouldn't want that, if you have ever driven a Fiero with no rear window, (I have) there is a lot of heat, noise, and smell coming from the engine compartment.

This is looking better all the time.



GonsaiPK MSG #365, 09-21-2006 07:48 PM
      Are you planning on putting vents in there, like on a 360 Modena? It would look good, and besides, that air has got to get out somehow...

And I'm waiting to see what happens with the cowl induction scoop. I'm in denial that it'll look good, but everything you touch seems to turn to gold, Curly.

Everything's looking great so far, though!


stalen88GT (glstaples@hotmail.com) MSG #366, 09-21-2006 08:12 PM
      I have noticed that your side windows are partially glassed in. Are you going to keep it this way or are you going to cut out the glassing to fit side windows. I do appologize for not readign the whole thread to see if you answered this Q before.

Galen.
Edit: spelling

[This message has been edited by stalen88GT (edited 09-21-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #367, 09-21-2006 08:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GonsaiPK:

Are you planning on putting vents in there, like on a 360 Modena? It would look good, and besides, that air has got to get out somehow...

And I'm waiting to see what happens with the cowl induction scoop. I'm in denial that it'll look good, but everything you touch seems to turn to gold, Curly.

Everything's looking great so far, though!

Yes. Archie has some really nice tunnel like vents that'll fix between the side (Z) glass and the edge of the b-pillers. As for the Pisa hood scoop, that too will be "tweeked." Like Archie said:


 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
P.S. I know that some think this thing is funny looking and some even think it's a copy of something else. You'll see it's a one of a kind.


So if the chopper looks, "funny or ackward" it's because it's not finished and what "appears" to be the end result..isn't.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #368, 09-21-2006 08:19 PM
      looks great! Now on with the show....

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #369, 09-21-2006 08:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by stalen88GT:

I have noticed that your side windows are partially glassed in. Are you going to keep it this way or are you going to cut out the glassing to fit side windows. I do appologize for not readign the whole thread to see if you answered this Q before.
Galen.


No problem. I don't mind answering questions.

The fiberglass opening are just for visual reference points as Archie and crew are performing the work which gives a idea of where the project is heading...yet not. If you've notice, the passenger side isn't cut out. Archie and crew have a few more "tricks" up thier sleeves but I will say that the sail panel and projectory will incorporate the door.

I was a the CTCH taking pics of other cars than choptops, which confirmed my ideas for the doors and sail side window. (Hint, hint...Modena and F430)

Exoticse was the "person" who actually raised the question in another thread. Different? Yes. Fiero? Yes...but unique.

a ferrari modena 360




The question remained: Can you incorporate some of the "ideas" from various exotic cars and yet still be know as a Fiero? No need to make a replica or kit kar for that wasn't my idea. My goal is simple, "what would a Fiero look like today" w/o GM missing up the picture?

Once Archie and the crew began to "smoothout" the Mad-Arch flares...the back-end will become the main focus or at least balance with Norm's C6 flipper. Granted, all of this in a pipe dream, so don't take this thread too serious, hehe,


Thanks Bob Rutzs for all of your input.

edit: I'm too excited, I can't type, hehe.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #370, 09-21-2006 10:17 PM
      A subtle cue from this car making it's way onto #20.





Notice i said subtle.

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jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #371, 09-21-2006 11:00 PM
      If I had to guess what your talking abou I'd say its either the doer handles or color

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #372, 09-22-2006 02:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

If I had to guess what your talking abou I'd say its either the doer handles or color



No. Door handles are located under the Ausie door rockers. Paint...I'm leaning towards a pearl Burgandy. Something about the Luxury and Exotic mag featuring the Corvette Z06 has created a "buzz."


Oslo (chris@tlg-auto.com) MSG #373, 09-22-2006 08:43 AM
      I'd Love to see how much this thing weighs when you're finished!!

Silentassassin185 (silentassassin185@gmail.com) MSG #374, 09-22-2006 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:





Is this car missin a rear panel or is it a flipper rear end?
....does that even make sense?

A picture to illustrate my point

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Songman MSG #375, 09-22-2006 09:43 AM
      The rear end flips up to the rear for engine access. Gotta love an Aldino!



I would guess that the way the rear flare extends onto the door is what is being used on the Rival.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #376, 09-22-2006 01:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:
I would guess that the way the rear flare extends onto the door is what is being used on the Rival.




Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Now there's one more item left that on the Aldino


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #377, 09-22-2006 02:49 PM
      New photoshoped "pipe dreams" from 4.9

86fierofun MSG #378, 09-22-2006 03:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

New photoshoped "pipe dreams" from 4.9


I don't see 'em


Songman MSG #379, 09-22-2006 04:17 PM
      Side vents? Rear wing?

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #380, 09-22-2006 05:41 PM
     
Before


After photo shop, I think a bigger 1/4 window would match the lines of the rear window better


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #381, 09-22-2006 06:51 PM
      any updates Curly, Archie?

Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #382, 09-22-2006 07:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
No. Door handles are located under the Ausie door rockers.


so you're just reaching under the new bodywork to get to the regular handle, or is there more to it? if so how do you access the keyhole, or how do you lock/unlock it from the outside?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #383, 09-22-2006 07:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Philphine:


so you're just reaching under the new bodywork to get to the regular handle, or is there more to it? if so how do you access the keyhole, or how do you lock/unlock it from the outside?


I opted for the key holes to be removed (although they're on #015) and left the stock door handles on. Why? Because of the VDC.


 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:
I don't see 'em


Fiero 4.9 is perfecting the photoshop.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #384, 09-22-2006 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

any updates Curly, Archie?


Not really.

We only had the rear window laying on the window frame, for test fitting, in the last pictures.

Then came the boring stuff of a slight modification to the hinge design & coming up with a plan to seal the bottom edge of the window.

For every group of new pictures, you gotta put in a few days of figuring out the details.

Archie


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #385, 09-23-2006 02:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Fiero 4.9 is perfecting the photoshop.



R&D emails sent for your approval


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #386, 09-23-2006 09:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:


R&D emails sent for your approval


Definatly a one of a kind design. I like !


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #387, 09-23-2006 03:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:


I don't see 'em


First pipe dream...






madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #388, 09-23-2006 07:54 PM
      second pipe dream

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #389, 09-24-2006 02:18 AM
      Third PD:


GonsaiPK MSG #390, 09-24-2006 02:43 AM
      Oh! I think I see where you're going with this now! Awesome!

Sharkman MSG #391, 09-24-2006 05:54 AM
      First and second I like, the third maybe

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #392, 09-24-2006 01:21 PM
      Pipe Dream #1B (a.k.a the "forgiveness" photoshop)




Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #393, 09-24-2006 02:28 PM
      Beautiful! ^^^ G35 lights are sweet

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #394, 09-24-2006 03:15 PM
      Pipe Dream #1B-(2-3)





Sharkman MSG #395, 09-24-2006 03:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Pipe Dream #1B (a.k.a the "forgiveness" photoshop)



Thats a winner!!!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #396, 09-24-2006 11:33 PM
      Pipe Dream 1B4:



Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #397, 09-25-2006 01:01 PM
      the G35 lights really set the whole thing off imo, but kind of makes it look like a real g35 from the back lol

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #398, 09-25-2006 05:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jermz238:

the G35 lights really set the whole thing off imo, but kind of makes it look like a real g35 from the back lol


That's why it was titled. "The Forgiveness" photoshop pic, hehe.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #399, 09-26-2006 11:58 AM
      Forgiveness continued:




86fierofun MSG #400, 09-26-2006 12:56 PM
      by the way, what color is it going to be?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #401, 09-26-2006 01:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fierofun:

by the way, what color is it going to be?


Hmm. Burgandy pearl or Corvette red but, it ready depends on #015. Neither color is taken for choptop fastbacks (yet).


Edit: I own pg. 11, hehe.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #402, 09-26-2006 04:42 PM
      Mad-Arch's are now "smoothed" and Dakota has landed!

Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #403, 09-26-2006 05:02 PM
      i couldn't find a pic on the net to post, but the last modified mag i got yesterday has the results of a "design the new nissan gtr" contest. the winning entry has a widebody idea that might work to open the door and leave the keyhole in place. it would also give a variation to using the stage 2gfx pieces (vital for me since i don't have them anyway). might be worth a look if you come across the latest issue. i'm keeping it in my mental file for whenever i can start on mine again.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #404, 09-26-2006 06:05 PM
      Perfectionish 86fiero:




86fierofun MSG #405, 09-26-2006 06:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Perfectionish 86fiero:



lol. I bet no one can tell what was done to this picture
It's a nice touch though

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eph_kay (cjcoulter@me.com) MSG #406, 09-26-2006 06:16 PM
      I like what he did to, simple but looks better.

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #407, 09-26-2006 07:46 PM
      Humm... Photoshops.. Heres my take;



Enjoy.



chopfren-z MSG #408, 09-26-2006 07:48 PM
      I see what different but I dont want to give it away.

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Songman MSG #409, 09-26-2006 08:01 PM
      Subtle... It took me a while.

Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #410, 09-26-2006 08:08 PM
      I have only been able to see one difference, and I couldn't even really tell if that was a change. I hope I'm right for how long I stared haha.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #411, 09-26-2006 08:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Perfectionish 86fiero:



Now thats the ticket! but it did take me a long time to see the change and you know why


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #412, 09-27-2006 01:38 AM
      ...

EDIT: bah, took awhile of flipping back and forth between the pictures to figure it out. subtle indeed!

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86fierofun MSG #413, 09-27-2006 02:16 AM
     

Garbage (garbageman@gmail.com) MSG #414, 09-27-2006 03:57 AM
     

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86fierofun MSG #415, 09-27-2006 12:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Garbage:





lol. yup!


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #416, 09-27-2006 08:31 PM
      How about a black lower lip?


Jermz238 (halljer221@gmail.com) MSG #417, 09-27-2006 09:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Garbage:





aye there it is


fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #418, 09-27-2006 11:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

How about a black lower lip?


I dig it.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #419, 09-28-2006 10:01 AM
      The updates I have don't appear to be as exciting as some of the photoshops but what the heck......

After the trial fitting of the dcklid & 350Z rear window, we had to do the leg work to make it all workable.

I think some people don't realize what all it takes to make things like this functional.

After getting the framework ready for the window & welding that to the decklid structure, I consulted with Curley. We determined that there was no desire to make the left & right sides & the top of the window waterproof, but there is a need to have the lower end of the window seal. That way water won't have a chance to get inside the trunk & the small decklid.

Considering that the 350Z window is going to be bonded (with Window-Weld) to the framework & that the Left, Right & top of the window is going to extend out past the framework, we still needed a waterproof seal at the bottom edge of the window. We also need the underside & edges of the decklid to have a finished look. So it took a little time to get that done.......

We had to establish a surface to seal the window to along the areas marked in Red.......



We used a piece of 1/2" box tubing & bent it to shape, put plastic tape on it then attached it to the top of the rear window framework. When we are done glassing it, we will remove the box tubing & we will have closed in the area between the framework & the decklid.......



Note that we also scuffed-up the underside of the decklid so we can glass the whole thing.



Then we glassed it all in.......





............

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Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #420, 09-28-2006 10:13 AM
      what kind of plan for the gas door?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #421, 09-28-2006 10:52 AM
      Once we removed the box tubing, the underside of the decklid was bonded to the framework & the seal area looked like this.........





A little bit more fiberglassing & the underside of the decklid will be completed.

Then it's time to address the tops of the doors.

Curley wanted the top edge of the door to get taller as it goes back into the quarter window area. So we cut off the top of another door skin & did some trial fitting.......





Here's what it looks like before we glass it in......



Archie

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #422, 09-28-2006 11:34 AM
      Great job Archie !

I love seeing you guys at the shop going outside the norm and creating things. Curly will definatly cause that to happen hehehehe.

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #423, 09-28-2006 06:45 PM
      The real stuff is always better than the photochops! Way to go Archie and crew!

86fierofun MSG #424, 09-28-2006 07:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

The real stuff is always better than the photochops! Way to go Archie and crew!


agreed. and now that i see how it is coming along i see that i was wrong on some side detail in my photoshop... I'll have to correct that lol. eh, maybe later.

edit:

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fieroman22 (gmc1000_1965@yahoo.com) MSG #425, 09-30-2006 12:28 AM
      i see you have time and money keep it up

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #426, 09-30-2006 12:53 PM
      Hey Archie, I've found the G6 parts for the thingie that knowone noticed in the pic, hehe).



Items:

1. G6 (three) vents
2. Dakota's digital clock
3. Viper bezel w/leather boot.
4. (2) Watson's bullet cup holders (that's right...I roll with cupholder, hehe).
5. MOMO shifter.

I'll send them out today (3-day delivery). What was the hold-up? I had misplaced them and in the process of finding them I had to go through the entire house. Oh well, the third bay garage needed cleaning anyway.


el_roy1985 MSG #427, 09-30-2006 02:19 PM
      Delete this please.

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el_roy1985 MSG #428, 09-30-2006 02:21 PM
     

 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:


Thats a winner!!!


Too much of a Ford Probe look for me.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #429, 09-30-2006 08:35 PM
      Hey Archie, the "Goodie box" has been sent and should arrive on Wednesday.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #430, 09-30-2006 11:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

How about a black lower lip?


Thanks fourpoint9, fierowannbe, and 86fierofun for your photoshop skills.

I think I'll use 4.9's suggestion on the use of painting the lower lip black once it's back to CA. Yes. I like "tweeking" peoples ideas. Constructive comments are always welcome.

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
I think some people don't realize what all it takes to make things like this functional. After getting the framework ready for the window & welding that to the decklid structure, I consulted with Curley. We determined that there was no desire to make the left & right sides & the top of the window waterproof, but there is a need to have the lower end of the window seal. That way water won't have a chance to get inside the trunk & the small decklid.

Considering that the 350Z window is going to be bonded (with Window-Weld) to the framework & that the Left, Right & top of the window is going to extend out past the framework, we still needed a waterproof seal at the bottom edge of the window. We also need the underside & edges of the decklid to have a finished look. So it took a little time to get that done.......

We had to establish a surface to seal the window to along the areas marked in Red.......




Just another reason why I wanted Archie and the crew to perform the work on #020....I wanted it done right.

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Songman MSG #431, 10-01-2006 12:23 AM
      I'm ready to see the ideas for the vents around the rear window. The window looks cool alone, but you gotta get all of that hot air out of there. I know it's in the works. I just want to see ideas.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #432, 10-01-2006 12:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

I'm ready to see the ideas for the vents around the rear window. The window looks cool alone, but you gotta get all of that hot air out of there. I know it's in the works. I just want to see ideas.


Clues are located on pg 9.



Songman MSG #433, 10-01-2006 10:10 AM
      Oh, I've seen page 9. Now I am ready to see what you really have planned for back there.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #434, 10-01-2006 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

I'm ready to see the ideas for the vents around the rear window. The window looks cool alone, but you gotta get all of that hot air out of there. I know it's in the works. I just want to see ideas.


Actually, I've already got a plan for the venting of the rear compartment.

This thread was originally started so that people could see how a lot of the custom stuff was done on Curley's other cars. I was thinking that when the home Fiero hobbyists saw the details on how to work with the fiberglass they wouldn't be so afraid to try their own little projects. However, With all the negativity I've seen about this car, I don't blame the Fiero hobbyists for sitting on their hands.

I've known Curley for quite a while now & for some reason he has an eye for how something is going to look once it's finished. Several times during the early building on #11, #15 & the "Bubbletop" he would tell me about his ideas & I would tell him it was going to look terrible. But then it turned out pretty good. I don't critique his ideas negatively anymore. I only critique his ideas based on functionaly implementing them into the rest of the car. After all, he hasn't built an ugly one yet.

I have talked to Curley about how we're going to vent the engine compartment area & we pretty well know what we need design wise. WE have an area that is only a few inches wide (on either side of the window) & we have to make it look good. It also has to match from the left side to the right side exactly. The Fiero hobbyists should note here that designing one side of the car is easy, getting side #2 to match side #1 is the hard part. Now we could buy some off the shelf part & put it in there (& we've considered that) but we've decided to make something custom. On these vents, the only way to know what they are going to look like is to build them & once you've built them it's gonna be pretty hard & expensive to make big changes to them. So, I've decided to go with my concept for the vents. Curley & PFF won't see them until they are finished. Then if you like them, that's fine, if you don't like them, that's fine too. Then if people want to know how we made them, I'll show the inprocess pictures. Otherwise we'll just move on with the rest of the car. In fact when they are done, I just might give you guys a few days to guess how they were done.

In the meantime please feel free to speculate how you would do them.

Gee, now I sure hope my idea works.

Archie

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Songman MSG #435, 10-01-2006 11:08 AM
      I'm sure it will work, Archie. The car looks great. I don't take the comments about the front end of the car that have been on the forum as negativity. We all know the car is not finished and will look great by the time it is finished. You know as well as I do that you can't please everyone, so you just please who you can. In the case of a business, you please the customer who is paying for the job. While I may think the nose is a little big right now, by the time the car is done I may think it looks just perfect. I was that way on the Solstice/Sky, new Corvette, and several other cars. I had to sit with them a while and let them grow on me.

My opinion is that you are without a doubt building the hottest Fiero that we have seen. I can't wait to see it completed..

Now about that Coast Run raffle donation.... haha



Gokart Mozart MSG #436, 10-01-2006 12:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Just bringing it up to the topic. I really can't wait to see it in person, whenever I get the chance and can't wait to see it in one color, if that's the plan.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #437, 10-01-2006 02:28 PM
      Hey Archie, any "before and after" pics of the humps?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #438, 10-01-2006 03:55 PM
      Offen times people ask me, "why chop a Fiero" and "why do you want to own two or three choptops"?

The first question can only be answered by all choptop owners. Sure, you can start a thread, telling stories of this n' that (choptop chronicles) but, you'll need to own a bubble top first and then have the same car chopped.


The second question that I commonly hear is "why own two or three choptops"? Bob Rutz asked me that very same question while I was ride'n with him at the CTHC.

The answer is simple, "Too many ideas or mods performed on one car is too much." IMO it's better to spread those "ideas" around to various cars. As for building #011...that's simple. I fell in love with the GBCT. So I had to have one too.

As for the "Redux"? The Redux is a carry-over from #011 mods but, it involved the "what if" factors. What if you added fender flares (1 1/2") to the rear and added 20x11? (taken from the thread titled, "I'm on a Roll, will 20x11 fit"). What if you added the front lip and place it in the back thus allowing for staggard rim applications??? What if you'd added different front headlamps??? (Taken from the Celica, NSX, Corvette headlamps thread).

As for "Why the build-up of #015? #015 is a carry-over from the Redux and #011 combined. What if you'd added a 3" flare, widened the front too and add "The Ausie door rockers"? (Taken from the "Who want's their Ausie door Rocker thread?). Although the "Redux" has fender flares, they're "babyish" compared to #015. #015 isn't finished and I have a feew more "tweeks" to perform.

As for "Why the build-up of #020...Arch Rival"? That's simple. "How can you carry-over some of the same ideas and yet be different for all of the others that were built"? The [Z] idea had been brewing for a couple of years and at D5, while talking to Norm... plans were laid for #015 but was later changed to #020. Norm and I had to wait for the Corvette production of the headlamps. Since the "bubble top" was in ready to roll, it became the candidate for the [Z]C6 flipper. The mad-arch flares and Ausie's are carry-overs from previous projects. Archie, the crew, and I have "tweek" plans for the carry-over items (the clues are found in the various pages).

In conclusion, all of the various builds are for others to copy or build from these "ideas." I've done the same using other people's ideas (GBCT,PPE just to name of few) so I wouldn't be suprised if someone returns the favor. My main goal is to allow the various Fiero venders to have a part...V8 Archie, D1S, Norm's, Pisa, and Mr. Mike's. As for PFF members, they too have shared in tweeking past and present cars by offering "constructive" comments and photoshoping skills. Orville and Songman are now play'n a major part...details later, hehe.

Edit: I forgot the forth question, "Why title the thread as ,"Madcurl's Arch Rival"? IMO I'd rather beat myself over the head vs fighting or with somebody else.




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #439, 10-01-2006 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

"Why title the thread as ,"Madcurl's Arch Rival"? IMO I'd rather beat myself over the head vs fighting or with somebody else.



I remember when we first started this thread ! Man were people freaking out.

I almost got burned at the stake hehehehe. Even got a few negatives !!

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/050746.html

It was all just fun guys.

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86fierofun MSG #440, 10-04-2006 03:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by timwdegner:





I'm curious, why the change in door skins?


normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #441, 10-04-2006 04:30 PM
      Hello, Hey I can answer this, because the first ones had holes on the bottom for the GT ground effects. Now they dont need to fill these holes. Thanks Norm

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #442, 10-04-2006 05:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by normsf:

Hello, Hey I can answer this, because the first ones had holes on the bottom for the GT ground effects. Now they dont need to fill these holes. Thanks Norm



Correct. Thank's Norm.


Like everything else on #020, they're several more not-so obvious reasons. The clues are in the thread.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #443, 10-04-2006 08:15 PM
      A few progress pics. These pics are actually a couple of days old.

Note that we've finally eliminated that "Hip" look on the rear fenders.













fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #444, 10-04-2006 08:32 PM
      Like this?

or


Karl loves it

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #445, 10-04-2006 08:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Like this?

or



OOOOOHHHHHH BABY!!!!

I love it! I don't know which one to choose????

Ole' Karl should be proud (The Street's of San Francisco, hehe).

Karl loves it

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 10-04-2006).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #446, 10-04-2006 09:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Note that we've finally eliminated that "Hip" look on the rear fenders.







What is Hip? (Tower of Power, hehe)
Great work Archie in eliminating "her" hips.



riley MSG #447, 10-04-2006 09:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A few progress pics. These pics are actually a couple of days old.

Note that we've finally eliminated that "Hip" look on the rear fenders.











i can't see the whole picture, could you remove the block spots over the quarter window?


rjblaze (rjblaze@verizon.net) MSG #448, 10-04-2006 10:21 PM
      I can't believe it! I have been thinking of a way to blend an regular notchback quarter/sail over an existing quarter/sail along with the Archie's rocker to make my own version of a wide-body......and here it is.....sort of. I got most of it worked out in my head, but one question is how/what is used to bond an existing bumber end to the end of another bumper? Is there a "best" adhesive to use? It looks like you had the same general idea and I love it. You have given me a vision to shoot for.

thanks


rjblaze (rjblaze@verizon.net) MSG #449, 10-04-2006 10:23 PM
      By the way, I wasn't planning on extending into the door like you did. I want to end at the door like the factory wide-bodies.

Kohburn MSG #450, 10-05-2006 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Like this?



that makes the hood vent more functional (and more modern) - rather than fighting the high pressure zone infront of the windshield (those were called cowl INduction hoods for a reason)


Kohburn MSG #451, 10-05-2006 02:51 PM
      wait - so how did someone get a copy of FieRo's center console peices?



vs



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #452, 10-05-2006 03:02 PM
      Please, I need more pictures of Karls nose (the front Fiero nose), hehe.




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #453, 10-05-2006 03:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:

wait - so how did someone get a copy of FieRo's center console peices?



Nope. Wrong choptop.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/069871-11.html



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #454, 10-05-2006 03:45 PM
     

Must be all those HREs that caused the confusion hehehe.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #455, 10-06-2006 01:24 PM
      I think the back end now looks too big, hehe.



chopfren-z MSG #456, 10-06-2006 03:08 PM
      It's looking good!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #457, 10-06-2006 09:10 PM
     

Hey Archie, I'm being "nosey." Any new pics?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #458, 10-06-2006 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:

wait - so how did someone get a copy of FieRo's center console peices?



Troy bought those pcs. from him.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #459, 10-06-2006 11:08 PM
      How about some pictures........

A few pics of part of the interior mockup.....











Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #460, 10-06-2006 11:16 PM
      More pictures.......... please note, none of these parts are done yet. They are "in process" pictures......

All the fiberglass layup work is done on the rear bumper & it's back on the car......







We also got a long way on designing & modifying the rocker panel.......








Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #461, 10-06-2006 11:19 PM
      Here's Kris & Rob making a plan for the Fiberglass work for the rocker on Monday.......







Archie


chopfren-z MSG #462, 10-07-2006 12:13 AM
      Coming along great guys!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #463, 10-07-2006 08:03 AM
      The car is really starting to take shape.

Extremely nice lines.



Kris and Rob you guys do excellent work, Archie you are lucky to have those two.

I said it before and i'll say it again,...Curly has that magic eye,...before all is said and done,..this car will be another stunner.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #464, 10-07-2006 01:04 PM
     
Here, from the "Streets of San Francisco"...I'd say it's looking good.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #465, 10-07-2006 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rjblaze:

I can't believe it! I have been thinking of a way to blend an regular notchback quarter/sail over an existing quarter/sail along with the Archie's rocker to make my own version of a wide-body......and here it is.....sort of. I got most of it worked out in my head, but one question is how/what is used to bond an existing bumber end to the end of another bumper? Is there a "best" adhesive to use? It looks like you had the same general idea and I love it. You have given me a vision to shoot for.

thanks


Using rivets, fiberglass, and expanding foam sandwitch between the two parts (PG. 7). I'm glad Archie and the Crew are giving you a clear vision to shoot for.


Yep. We're on track, hehe.

Pipe Dream


Reality

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #466, 10-07-2006 08:47 PM
      Madcurl's # 20 still powdering it's nose.

A work in progress.......about to enter the build up phase.



This is about to get good !

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chopfren-z MSG #467, 10-07-2006 11:36 PM
      The Madcurlorghini is looking good.

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #468, 10-07-2006 11:39 PM
     
Karl says " It's A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE "

[This message has been edited by fourpoint9 (edited 10-07-2006).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #469, 10-14-2006 12:12 PM
      "bump" for update

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #470, 10-16-2006 10:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

"bump" for update


i second that.


chopfren-z MSG #471, 10-16-2006 11:32 AM
      Yes,updates!

AV8DAY (jwiwcharyk@yahoo.ca) MSG #472, 10-16-2006 01:01 PM
      Yowzaa, nice ride!

88White3.4GT MSG #473, 10-16-2006 05:28 PM
      update for the Bay peeps ... (even though i'm up in wa. ..)

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #474, 10-17-2006 12:06 PM
      Hey Archie. Did you do the "switcheroo" using Troboy's rims? Did #020 mad-arche's clear? Enquiring minds would like to know and I have a set of 345 awaiting for "Operation: 12-Inch Deep."

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #475, 10-17-2006 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hey Archie. Did you do the "switcheroo" using Troboy's rims? Did #020 mad-arche's clear? Enquiring minds would like to know and I have a set of 345 awaiting for "Operation: 12-Inch Deep."


We'll do the switcheroo as soon as we can set your car back on the floor.

How about a few pics of the rocker/scoop modifications on the other side of the car?







Archie




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #476, 10-17-2006 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

How about a few pics of the rocker/scoop modifications on the other side of the car?


Archie




I love those sliced "cuts."


EXCELLENT!!!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #477, 10-18-2006 07:15 PM
      flip2CifTheyNotice_(Small).jpg

They didn't notice.

Archie


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #478, 10-18-2006 07:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

flip2CifTheyNotice_(Small).jpg

They didn't notice.

Archie


The Colors should have given it away - the Blue Door side is the driver's side (you flipped the photo) Red Door on the passenger side.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #479, 10-19-2006 12:41 AM
     


A " goodie bag " from Madcurl to Archie.





Among the speicial contents, a viper shift bezel, leather boot, G6 vents, Dakota Digital gauge, and Watson's cup holders.

All the items being worked into choptop #20.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #480, 10-19-2006 12:06 PM
      Mo goodies ordered for #020 chopper.




Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #481, 10-19-2006 08:37 PM
      #20 is an auto?

Edit: I own lucky page 13!!!!

[This message has been edited by Scurvy (edited 10-19-2006).]

fierogt3800 (fierochris@yahoo.com) MSG #482, 10-19-2006 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scurvy:

#20 is an auto?

Edit: I own lucky page 13!!!!



yes, i dont think any of his fieros have manuals. maybe because autos are both faster and stronger... too bad they arent as much fun to drive.. >> IMO <<



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #483, 10-19-2006 08:52 PM
      CA emissions require him to use a trans that came with the engine. N* s only came with autos
It's also why he has the Caddy dashpanel (on the passenger side of his dash)


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #484, 10-19-2006 09:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

CA emissions require him to use a trans that came with the engine. N* s only came with autos
It's also why he has the Caddy dashpanel (on the passenger side of his dash)



Yes. It may be said that "It never rains in southern CA" but it can also be said, "It never rains N* manuals in CA either."

Read here for more info: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/032834-5.html

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 10-19-2006).]

Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #485, 10-20-2006 12:39 AM
      Thanks for the clarification fellas. Silly commie cali

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #486, 10-20-2006 11:04 PM
     
New pics from the inside out, thru the new rear window.







Chris Hodson MSG #487, 10-21-2006 12:41 AM
      I CALL SHOTGUN!!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #488, 10-25-2006 11:29 PM
      Just a little update.

We've been sanding & filling & filling & sanding on the rear fenders working on getting them just right.

We've also also been modifying the "running board" area of the rocker panels to put an angle on them like was described in an earlier post.

We are also working on the scoops in the rockers to reshape them the way Curley wanted them.

Here we have the the rocker with a flat piece of glass at about a 45 degree angle, we'll lay a layer of glass over this then remove the rockers to glass the inside.



Here we have the rockers off & have laid up glass on the insides of the angled area......



Here is some of the filling & sanding we've been working on......





While the rockers are off the car, we are working on the scoops behind the doors........

Here is what they look like before adding more fiberglass.........





........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #489, 10-25-2006 11:40 PM
      Here Rob has made a metal filler panel to lay up some glass against to form the rough scoop opening.......

This is for the outboard lip of the opening.......



This is for the inside lip of the opening......





Here is what it looks like with the glass laid up on it......



We take out the metal, trim the fiberglass from the edges & stick it on the car. Notice the blue filler on the door & fender, while we wait for the glass to sure we continue to fill & sand those areas......





........

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #490, 10-25-2006 11:50 PM
      It's kinda hard to see the fiberglass work we did inside the scoop because of the color of the glass, so we put a little white primer on it....









We still plan to do some more shaping on these scoops so we'll show you how they evolve.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #491, 10-27-2006 10:08 PM
      It's cool, it's Deeep and I like this style better than #015. Out with old, in with the new!



old style



Edit: Besides the obvious items mentioned (body flarring[hips], rocker Z-glass, door flares, and rear bumper), did anybody notice what Archie and the Crew did differently???

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 10-31-2006).]

fierce_gt MSG #492, 10-28-2006 10:49 PM
      well if you want to send that "old" up here i'd gladly "take care of it" for you

looks good as always


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #493, 10-28-2006 11:06 PM
     

Hehehe in case u haven't noticed Madcurl gets bored easily.

He is talking about #15 being old and most of us are still drooling over number 11 !!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #494, 10-30-2006 08:12 PM
      I'm being "nosey" again.


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #495, 10-30-2006 08:21 PM
      Ya, you need to give that old #15 to me.

Silentassassin185 (silentassassin185@gmail.com) MSG #496, 10-30-2006 09:11 PM
      How do you think the view out the rear window is gonna be? Any new blind spots or anything?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #497, 10-30-2006 09:50 PM
      We didn't 100% like the way the scoops were shaped in these pictures. The inside wall followed the curve of our Integrated rocker panels and we felt it curved back too too much. We also wanted inside the wall to go farther back into the scoop. So we redid that inside wall.

Here are the previous pics.





This is what it looks like now.........





I think this looks a lot better.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #498, 10-30-2006 10:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Silentassassin185:

How do you think the view out the rear window is gonna be? Any new blind spots or anything?


Hmm. I don't really know cause I was too excited at the time to check but, Archie took some pics and it seems maybe >less than the original choptop sail pillars due to the frame rail that supports the Z-glass?




As for the sail panel windows, the height has been reduced a little but from my drawings it reaches back a bit but not as elongated. The actual side sail window cuts haven't been performed yet. The cut you see was just a reference point.

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Silentassassin185 (silentassassin185@gmail.com) MSG #499, 10-30-2006 10:32 PM
      well either way more or less still a wicked looking creation madcurl.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #500, 10-30-2006 10:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Hmm. I don't really know cause I was too excited at the time to check but, Archie took some pics and it seems maybe >less than the original choptop sail pillars due to the frame rail that supports the Z-glass?





Actually that rib going from left to right is in the same place as the rib on the underside of the stock GT decklid that sits on the trunk seal.

It is setting on the trunk seal. The only reason you see it here is because the rest of the original GT decklid is no longer in the line of sight.

Archie



Gokart Mozart MSG #501, 10-31-2006 11:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Archie


Nicely placed rag. Better than blacking out the area.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #502, 10-31-2006 11:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Nicely placed rag. Better than blacking out the area.


Good eyes, but that's just a cup holder.

Archie


THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #503, 10-31-2006 11:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Nicely placed rag. Better than blacking out the area.


Archie or madcurl
Are there any plans of making Molds out of this car?
JG



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #504, 10-31-2006 01:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by THE BEAST:


Archie or madcurl
Are there any plans of making Molds out of this car?
JG


What? Are you taking about the IRM wide-rockers, Fender-flares, bumper flares, door-flares, Z-clip or the whole "Chaloppa"?



FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #505, 10-31-2006 06:10 PM
      There is a lot of time and investment making molds, but A LOT of work has been done to get a unique and classy alternative many would like. I guess it is up to Archie if the ends justify the means. If he made a mold to make that a rear flipper w/ window, I'd be onboard. But he'd have just as much work to get the market without chop tops. Then the roof modding required would be a lot of work with each sale. My bet that this is a one off with Archie creating another unique masterpiece. But he's also a great businessman, so who knows if this new exploration will lend more options to the Fiero community in the future?

Keep up the great work Archie,
Greg



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #506, 10-31-2006 06:39 PM
      In either application (bubble-toppers or choppers), one of the "hidden" benifits to using the Z-clip is: Engine/Wipple/Turbo applications along w/chrome "kingdomisum" under the glass. IMO it's a pretty good mod if produced for gearheads who hunger for more horse power but are somewhat restricted due to deck lid and lack of true "visuals" under the hood.

An example of Glass "visuals" benefits



Imagine the possiblities using a Whipple supercharger under the 350Z glass?
http://www.chrfab.com/Engines.htm

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Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #507, 11-01-2006 02:04 AM
      If there's anything that's made from this car is the c6 head lights in the norm front flipper! Not necessarily all the other mods, curly's gotta be original somehow, but the c6 lights look sooooo nice.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #508, 11-01-2006 09:20 AM
     


Let's hope all or at least parts of this car make it into reproduction.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #509, 11-01-2006 10:31 AM
      Curley, the tire/wheel sizing information you want me to get will have to wait until we get the panels back on the car.

Shouldn't be long now.



Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #510, 11-01-2006 11:03 AM
     


Panels off ? Hmmmm,......


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #511, 11-01-2006 01:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley, the tire/wheel sizing information you want me to get will have to wait until we get the panels back on the car.

Shouldn't be long now.

Archie


Okay.




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #512, 11-01-2006 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

It's cool, it's Deeep and I like this style better than #015. Out with old, in with the new!



old style



Edit: Besides the obvious items mentioned (body flarring[hips], rocker Z-glass, door flares, and rear bumper), did anybody notice what Archie and the Crew did differently???



Nobody guessed the answer, hehe.

The answer is: Sail panel's distal frame-ends were moved inward. Now the question is, "Why move them inward?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #513, 11-01-2006 03:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Shouldn't be long now.


Archie


Thanks Archie for pics. [They] look sweet, unique, functional, and [they] flow with the build. Okay.




jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #514, 11-01-2006 07:03 PM
     

hmm, did I figure it out?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #515, 11-02-2006 10:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:

hmm, did I figure it out?



I don't know what the question was but I'll look into it.......

Archie



Gokart Mozart MSG #516, 11-02-2006 01:34 PM
      I noticed there wasn't a rear window. Has it not been put in?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #517, 11-02-2006 04:59 PM
     

More new stuff for number 20 !



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #518, 11-02-2006 07:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

I noticed there wasn't a rear window. Has it not been put in?


The "Z" window is ready to install but, the Crew needed to "flip the clip" and work on 2-things.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #519, 11-04-2006 03:10 PM
     

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #520, 11-04-2006 09:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:



hmm, did I figure it out?



Hehe.

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #521, 11-04-2006 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:



hmm, did I figure it out?



Let's zoom that in some.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #522, 11-04-2006 11:23 PM
     









madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #523, 11-05-2006 02:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:






OOOOHHH Baby!


88White3.4GT MSG #524, 11-05-2006 02:46 AM
      thats looking clean, now its got to drop down a little .. What are you doing for the rear light?? any treatment?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #525, 11-05-2006 02:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

thats looking clean, now its got to drop down a little .. What are you doing for the rear light?? any treatment?


I ordered Rodney Dickman's lowering ball joints but that won't happen until D1S tweeks the Corvette 13" brakes. I have three pipe dream ideas but, I can't make up my mind. Plus I don't know the exact measurements of them. The fall-backs are the ole standby's---C6 side markers from #015.

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Gokart Mozart MSG #526, 11-05-2006 08:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Somebody likes to drink, better move that cupholder before you paint it...


88White3.4GT MSG #527, 11-05-2006 01:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


I ordered Rodney Dickman's lowering ball joints but that won't happen until D1S tweeks the Corvette 13" brakes. I have three pipe dream ideas but, I can't make up my mind. Plus I don't know the exact measurements of them. The fall-backs are the ole standby's---C6 side markers from #015.



what other side markers are in mind??


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #528, 11-05-2006 02:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:


what other side markers are in mind??


Rear rear lamps wrap around to the side which means I won't use the stock GT tail lamps but, we'll see.



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #529, 11-05-2006 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Somebody likes to drink, better move that cupholder before you paint it...



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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #530, 11-05-2006 05:18 PM
     





madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #531, 11-05-2006 07:28 PM
      It reminds me of the lyrics by, Salt N' Pepper's, "Oh baby, baby-baby."

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #532, 11-05-2006 08:10 PM
      Everyone knows that scoops have to be symmetrical side to side on a car.

The problem is how do you make them symmetrical?

Well here are the scoops, you tell us how we made them symmetrical inside & out.

Archie









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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #533, 11-06-2006 01:29 AM
     


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #534, 11-06-2006 01:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Everyone knows that scoops have to be symmetrical side to side on a car.

The problem is how do you make them symmetrical?

Well here are the scoops, you tell us how we made them symmetrical inside & out.

Archie













excellent lookin job but loose the 1/4 glass and make a nice set of scoops in there place would look fantastic


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #535, 11-06-2006 02:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


excellent lookin job but loose the 1/4 glass and make a nice set of scoops in there place would look fantastic


Thanks. Are you referring to the side sail glass area (actually it's just a painted cardboard, hehe)? Hmm. Good idea.



Gokart Mozart MSG #536, 11-06-2006 05:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Everyone knows that scoops have to be symmetrical side to side on a car.

The problem is how do you make them symmetrical?

Well here are the scoops, you tell us how we made them symmetrical inside & out.

Archie


Lots of time, measuring, patience and walking away when the need arises.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #537, 11-06-2006 06:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Thanks. Are you referring to the side sail glass area (actually it's just a painted cardboard, hehe)? Hmm. Good idea.


exactly the area that needs the scoops


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #538, 11-06-2006 07:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


exactly the area that needs the scoops


Thanks. However, it'll have to wait until the side sail glass in place.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #539, 11-06-2006 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Lots of time, measuring, patience and walking away when the need arises.


Actually it was easier than that.

Guess again. (Clue: look in pictures from the last 6 weeks for hints)

Archie


reapermedic (emilehamm@yahoo.com) MSG #540, 11-06-2006 09:23 PM
      My guess is that the cups were used as templates.



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #541, 11-06-2006 09:58 PM
      Did you use a spray bottle to make the vents?


reapermedic (emilehamm@yahoo.com) MSG #542, 11-08-2006 10:24 AM
      I hadn't noticed the spraybottle.....Good one 4.9!! I will have to change my answer to that and take the next 7 minutes to reevaluate my life for my lack of observation.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #543, 11-08-2006 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Did you use a spray bottle to make the vents?


The clues I give are too good.

When I won that big box of Meguiar's cleaning supplies at FieroRama, people thought I didn't know how to use cleaning supplies

Note how the bottle is symmetrical side to side & the neck would allow a Left & a Right to be made from the same style bottle.



After trimming both bottles the same & attaching them, we glassed them into the panel.





After we cut a bit of material out of the panel at the distal end of the scoop, we went inside the bottle with a razor knife & removed the bottle.......





.............




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #544, 11-08-2006 08:11 PM
      The area we cut out of the panel at the distal end of the scoop was to make way for the smooth transition "ramp" going into the scoop/bottle.

We used some thin sheet metal to form the "ramp" area........



Then from the other side we glassed in that side of the sheet metal......



After the glass had setup we removed the sheetmetal. This area formed the scoop.



Not really all that hard to do. Just plan ahead for how you are going to remove the item you are forming over.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #545, 11-08-2006 08:11 PM
     


Archie, that is an excellent example of making something out of nothing !!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #546, 11-09-2006 07:41 AM
      Very clever. Your guys do an awesome job.

Bob


THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #547, 11-09-2006 03:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Sorry but I have to say it again. Everything but the front hood.

JG


Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #548, 11-09-2006 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by THE BEAST:


Sorry but I have to say it again. Everything but the front hood.

JG


I agree....at least how it looks right now. Maybe the completed car will have a different look. Now the hood just appears way to high.

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jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #549, 11-09-2006 08:39 PM
      I'm guesing it will be cut down like in some of the photochops.

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #550, 11-09-2006 08:40 PM
      Karl says "Rhinoplasty Happens"



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Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #551, 11-10-2006 01:57 AM
      have faith gents. The car isn't done yet. Trust in the wisdom of the mad arch connection

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #552, 11-10-2006 06:08 PM
      I'm not a big fan of the height of the hood... I think it should be knocked down a bit...

EDIT agh my photoshop picture isn't working. I'll fix it later.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #553, 11-10-2006 06:32 PM
     

Like i said before,....the madman doesn't roll gutterballs.

The front will be just as special as the back.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #554, 11-10-2006 09:54 PM
      Here we go, I lowered the front of the car a bit.



A


FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #555, 11-10-2006 10:38 PM
      Every time I see the defrost strips... It makes me giggle.




Greg



4-mulaGT (vettemanzo6@hotmail.com) MSG #556, 11-10-2006 11:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTguy:

Every time I see the defrost strips... It makes me giggle.




Greg



R those beasts gonna be functional?


86fierofun MSG #557, 11-10-2006 11:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here we go, I lowered the front of the car a bit.



A


now that's funny


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #558, 11-11-2006 02:28 AM
      Here we go:



tell me what you think. I spent quite a bit of time on it.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #559, 11-11-2006 12:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:



tell me what you think. I spent quite a bit of time on it.





EXCELLENT!!!!


However, the hood scoops will follow along these photoshop designs.





EXCELLENT!!!!

Both photoshops are excellent and both go beyond the normal photoshop and captures the Mad-Arch game plan. You're photoshop skills will not be wasted nor forgotten...trust me. Once #020 is finished (I hope), everybody from "Archie and the Crew" -to- "ALL Photoshoppers", and even from the constructive comments (they're needed to keep a person on track and to prevent "Homer-Moble-tunnel-vision) will be able to say, " Hey, I had a part in making this car."

Btw, Bubbajoexxx suggestion is still ringing in my ear. Thanks Bubbajoe.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #560, 11-11-2006 06:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

EXCELLENT!!!!


However, the hood scoops will follow along these photoshop designs.





EXCELLENT!!!!

Both photoshops are excellent and both go beyond the normal photoshop and captures the Mad-Arch game plan. You're photoshop skills will not be wasted nor forgotten...trust me. Once #020 is finished (I hope), everybody from "Archie and the Crew" -to- "ALL Photoshoppers", and even from the constructive comments (they're needed to keep a person on track and to prevent "Homer-Moble-tunnel-vision) will be able to say, " Hey, I had a part in making this car."

Btw, Bubbajoexxx suggestion is still ringing in my ear. Thanks Bubbajoe.



this is going to be one damn nice ride and" thanks"
the work so far has been excellent I must say so


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #561, 11-12-2006 01:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


exactly the area that needs the scoops


Something like this Bubbajoe?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #562, 11-12-2006 02:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTguy:

Every time I see the defrost strips... It makes me giggle.



Greg



Hmm. For some reason in New York, every car (including the Fiero) must have functional rear defoster heat strips on the window. I could always hook it up to existing defoster switch.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #563, 11-12-2006 01:14 PM
     
Old ideas never die

Recessed door handles:


and move on.




88White3.4GT MSG #564, 11-12-2006 01:34 PM
      poppers on the doors?

88White3.4GT MSG #565, 11-12-2006 01:39 PM
     




will the front of that trunk be 're-shaped?' so it seals off in a different area?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #566, 11-12-2006 01:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

will the front of that trunk be 're-shaped?' so it seals off in a different area?


Yes. Archie and I discussed this last week. Archie corrected me about masking off the lower exposed area using darkened window tint. He said that it would block the rear view so that idea was tossed and he's going to cut' n glass a piece in the area underneath the glass (on top of the cut trunk section).


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #567, 11-12-2006 01:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

poppers on the doors?


Maybe but, the remote alarm system I use unlocks the doors.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #568, 11-16-2006 07:11 PM
      It's on punk! It's time to make a move onto the front and pimp-slap that karl's nose


reapermedic (emilehamm@yahoo.com) MSG #569, 11-16-2006 10:28 PM
      Curley, that car is just flat out SICK!!!!! I can't think of a single thing that I don't like about it. I hope you don't mind, but I may have to "appropriate" a few of the design elements into mine as things take shape.



jscott1 MSG #570, 11-16-2006 10:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Hmm. For some reason in New York, every car (including the Fiero) must have functional rear defoster heat strips on the window. I could always hook it up to existing defoster switch.


LOL, I think you should hook it up...

It's the law in NY. My Proud-1 was a NY car and came with a functional rear window defogger. I actually liked it, I found that in the humid climate of Houston, the heat from the engine would fog the window. I lost my defroster rear window in the chop, and I miss it. I still have the glass though, I might put it on my Indy someday



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #571, 11-17-2006 02:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by reapermedic:

I hope you don't mind, but I may have to "appropriate" a few of the design elements into mine as things take shape.




Nope. I don't mind. I've done the same thing..taking items I've seen on other Fieros here and then tweeking it.

Bolt-ons are boring but, tweeking is fun.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #572, 11-20-2006 01:08 AM
      The madness continues,.......

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #573, 11-26-2006 01:29 AM
      bump

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #574, 11-26-2006 09:08 PM
     


Look,....Twins !!



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #575, 12-01-2006 10:25 PM
     

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #576, 12-01-2006 11:38 PM
     

Fresh.







Gokart Mozart MSG #577, 12-02-2006 06:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:




Can't wait to see the rest of that grove on top of the fender.


Gokart Mozart MSG #578, 12-02-2006 07:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:





Gokart Mozart MSG #579, 12-02-2006 07:29 AM
      I've looked but wasn't there a pic that had dimensions of the glass area?

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #580, 12-02-2006 08:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Fresh.







love those lines


Gokart Mozart MSG #581, 12-02-2006 06:48 PM
      This has given me thought for a while of what would a Chrysler Crossfire rear hatch with an operational spoiler look on a Fiero, chop or not. Photoshoppers, could you have a go with these pics?

http://www.c2e.info/core/MAS04/chrysler%20crossfire.jpg
http://www.autosuper.ru/pub/photos/2004_chrysler_crossfire-3.jpg
http://www.madle.org/ms02crossfire.JPG
http://www.streetdream.de/cars/chrysler/crossfire_srt6/crossfire_srt6_03.jpg
and several pics of the spoiler up, hatch open, etc here: http://www.cars.com/carsapp/boston/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/features/mvp/chrysler/crossfire/crossfire_overview.tmpl

Yea, it'll cut into the trunk but have a resculped rear with wraparound taillights like the Honda Civic Si Coupe

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #582, 12-02-2006 07:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

This has given me thought for a while of what would a Chrysler Crossfire rear hatch with an operational spoiler look on a Fiero, chop or not. Photoshoppers, could you have a go with these pics?
Yea, it'll cut into the trunk but have a resculped rear with wraparound taillights like the Honda Civic Si Coupe



I looked into it and found that the distal end of the rear glass is sloped downward at a very step angle which mimicks the Crossfire's buttrist. IMO the only options (so far) are the Audi's rear hatchback glass. Granted, anything is possible and more cars on the market are being produced for our "pipe dream" comsumption. Currently I'm eye ballin' the Hybrid Prius rear deck window for a future project. It's similar to the Ford GT but 1k less. The Lexus sport 2-seater coupe is another candidate for rear window application.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #583, 12-10-2006 09:20 PM
      This guy is crazy !!!

You gotta love it !

#11



http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/032834.html

Fiero Redux



http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/037188.html

#15



http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/046552.html

#20 The Arch Rival



# .....????????

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SAFASTRO MSG #584, 12-11-2006 11:20 AM
      Any new pics of the Redux??? I'm curious to see a better angle pic of that front end.
Also, any new mods coming before paint on #15, or #20???
Give us the goods Madcurl!!!!



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #585, 12-11-2006 01:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SAFASTRO:

Any new pics of the Redux??? I'm curious to see a better angle pic of that front end.
Also, any new mods coming before paint on #15, or #20???
Give us the goods Madcurl!!!!



Look here for Redux pics http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/037188.html Currently they're no plans for painting it anytime soon. I have mock-up plans for this car.

As for #015 and #020 being painted. #020 will be painted in 2007 prior to the CTHC II in Viper red or something along those lines. #015 is on the back-burner now but, I'm looking at maybe black? I have a few ole' tricks for this car and the color black will make it "popish." I still haven't abandon the "stealth" look. Granted, nothing is etched in stones so I continue to pipe out new ideas and colors....just ask Tony, hehe.


Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #586, 12-17-2006 11:29 PM
      Bumpasaurous rex says you guys are taking the holiday season off. Hhaha, haven't seen this thread in a while.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #587, 12-18-2006 01:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scurvy:

Bumpasaurous rex says you guys are taking the holiday season off. Hhaha, haven't seen this thread in a while.



"Archie and the Crew" are currently working mad hours on Troyboy's chopper.

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #588, 12-18-2006 11:35 AM
      madcurl
need to see the 1/4 scoops installed


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #589, 12-18-2006 12:04 PM
      ya, I'm wondering what will appear when the painted cardboard is removed.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #590, 12-18-2006 06:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

madcurl
need to see the 1/4 scoops installed


Maybe in a few weeks? Right now my mind is focused on the front end. I gotta few tweeks up my sleeve.


 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

You know, it might be interesting to post up some dimensions of different back windows that might work in Fieros.

I'm sure many Fiero owners have other cars that have back windows, it would be interesting if they would post dimensions of them.

Here are the dimensions of the 350Z rear window.



Archie



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #591, 12-30-2006 03:58 AM
     


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #592, 12-30-2006 03:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jmbishop:




Stay tuned. I just got off the phone with Archie. He has a excellent idea but needs to see if it will work.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #593, 01-03-2007 01:06 AM
     


About time for some updates on this killer ride !


FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #594, 01-03-2007 02:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

About time for some updates on this killer ride !


I 2nd That!

Pics PLZ!



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #595, 01-03-2007 03:01 AM
      Think of it as a late Christmas present for us.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #596, 01-04-2007 01:57 PM
      Hey Curley, your new wing came in today.









88White3.4GT MSG #597, 01-04-2007 02:30 PM
      who makes those spoilers?? i thought i remember seeing a thread about someone making them.

Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #598, 01-04-2007 03:16 PM
      More info on the spoiler!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #599, 01-04-2007 03:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

who makes those spoilers?? i thought i remember seeing a thread about someone making them.


Sage makes them. Not sure if they are available thru the fiero warehouse yet, might want to check with them.

Sage works for Doug at Fiero warehouse.

Man that looks good on Troy's car !! Curly you might have a hard time getting that back from Troy once he sees it hehehe.

Now i know why madcurl has so many cars !! Too many darned choices for just one car !


88White3.4GT MSG #600, 01-04-2007 05:09 PM
      Curly,
are you glassing-in and tweeking the spoiler?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #601, 01-04-2007 10:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Man that looks good on Troy's car !! Curly you might have a hard time getting that back from Troy once he sees it hehehe.


Well actually Troy was at the shop for a visit when it came in today. He helped me unpack it.

We had so much fun playing with it that I forgot to get pictures of it on Curley's car.

Sorry Curley, I'll get them tomorrow.

BTW Curley, Check your EMail, I sent you pics of that special little project we were talking about.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #602, 01-06-2007 03:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


BTW Curley, Check your EMail, I sent you pics of that special little project we were talking about.

Archie


Thanks Archie. The mods pics are excellent!!!

Today, Archie and I covered alot of ground work for the C6 flipper and working should continue on Monday. Oh yeah, Thanks Sage & Doug (Fiero Warehouse) for kicking out the Camero bow-tie wing on time. This operation: "Tail-wind" mod will make the Arch Rivel's back end very "popish" as is demonstrated on Troy's super ride.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #603, 01-06-2007 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

Curly,
are you glassing-in and tweeking the spoiler?


Both. I love "tweekisum"....I wouldn't have it any other way, hehe.



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #604, 01-06-2007 11:20 PM
      I just had the opportunity to see this car in person on thursday and all I can say is WOW. I think I spent more time looking at curly's car than my own, lol.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #605, 01-06-2007 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

I just had the opportunity to see this car in person on thursday and all I can say is WOW. I think I spent more time looking at curly's car than my own, lol.


The amazing part is, the car isn't even done !

The tweeking has just begun.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #606, 01-11-2007 08:21 PM
     

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #607, 01-11-2007 11:49 PM
      We need our fix.

[This message has been edited by jmbishop (edited 01-11-2007).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #608, 01-12-2007 03:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:



tweeks are nice if you see what is done bumpity bump


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #609, 01-12-2007 06:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


tweeks are nice if you see what is done bumpity bump


Currently, they're working on the lower portion of the nose (fog lamps and center nose openings). The C6 flipper will closely follow 4.9's photoshop example seen here along with a few more items are being added too.


Archie may have picks by next week.



Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #610, 01-17-2007 10:15 PM
      its been nearly a week we're ready for an update



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #611, 01-18-2007 11:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kaleb:

its been nearly a week we're ready for an update



Look for some very cool changes.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #612, 01-18-2007 01:34 PM
      We currently have Curley's car up in what I call the "Hot Spot".

The "Hot Spot" means that it's up on the lift & the lift is brought up to a working height for whatever we are working on.

You'll recall that we had Troy's car in the "Hot Spot" for about 4 weeks & we had everyone working on it installing the interior parts, modifying the front bumper & the rear facia.

On the Arch Rival we are modifying the grill & driving light openings & fixing the wheel well lip openings.

So plan on seeing a bunch on this car for the next couple of weeks.

One of the problems we felt needed to be tweeked was the radius around the front wheel wells. They just didn't have a consistant radius around the tire & they didn't match perfectly from side to side. He was wanting to "fix" the hood scoop but everytime I sent him a profile shot of the nose (so he could tell me what he wanted) all he would talk about was the wheel well openings. So before we can fix the scoop, he's gotta have the wheel wells tweeked.





We also wanted to tweek the wheel well openings as viewed from the front were not parallel to the edge of the tire/wheel.



He also wanted to eliminate that flat lip around the edge of the wheel well opening.



We thought about making a new wheel well arch using a pc. of flat fiberglass sheet. However, the opening still wouldn't match from side to side because the forward lower edge of the openings were a different distance from the wheel side to side.

In these pics we used a ratcheting strap and a piece of 4x4 to pull the front end down to the expected ride height.





I'll show you what we finally decided to do in the next post.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 01-18-2007).]

BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #613, 01-18-2007 05:35 PM
      This is absolutely insane. I haven't been on this site in over a year (sold my fiero a few years ago) and look what has happened in the meantime. It took me ALL DAY to read this whole thread (56k Modem), but it was worth every minute. You guys are doing fantastic work. It's people like you that inspire the rest of us. I need to sell off the rest of my toys and get another Fiero.



Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #614, 01-18-2007 09:00 PM
      glad your fixing the wheel wells, its going to do wonders for the cars appearance..good work archie keep it up...we'll wait for updates

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #615, 01-18-2007 10:33 PM
      to continue......

I spent several hours contemplating what would make a good wheel well arch & be something we could locate off of the centerline of the wheel it'self since there wasn't a place on the front we could locate off of.

After a little walking around the shop and looking at various things, I noticed this.....



It's the wheel well arch from the front clip of a F-40 replica re-body. After some measuring & checking with some dividers we found that the radius was a true radius. We decided to make 2 copies of this radius out of the F-40 mold. These would be the arch & about 2" of F-40 fender around the arch.

Here is what they looked like when we first tried them on the car. Note that the fiberglass part had not been trimmed at all yet.





After we trimmed off the extra fiberglass "flashing" & used some screws & shims to locate them left to right on the front clip, they looked like this......





............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #616, 01-18-2007 10:50 PM
      A day later with some filling & FGlassing, it's starting to take shape.









Tune in tomorrow when Curley's open mouth gets some teeth....



Archie


jscott1 MSG #617, 01-18-2007 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


Perfect!



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #618, 01-20-2007 08:47 AM
      Before we glass in the wheel well arches from the inside, you can see the difference between the two arches from the inside of the Flipper.

Here is the left side (2 pics)





Right side...





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #619, 01-20-2007 09:35 AM
      Curley's open mouth gets some teeth....



Everybody know what the grill & driving lights have looked like up 'til now.

To this point the C6 driving lights have been mounted in the nose with the lenses flush with the fiberglass. They look good like that but the light beams from them actually cross each other 30 feet or so out in front of the car. On the C6 Vette you'll notice that the driving lights are mounted farther around the corner of the car so that the light beams shine straight down the road.

You can see this by comparing the angle of the driving light lens in this front clip to the angle of the lens in a C6. This clip just wasn't designed for those driving lights, so we're going to build some parking light pockets that allow the lights to point in the right direction.

But, 1st we gotta open up & reshape the grill opening.

As you can see in the picture above, We've moved the top of the grill opening up about 1-5/8" & we've set about modifying the left & right side walls of the opening to be more like the photoshop earlier in this thread. You can see the mounting hardware & hinges for Norm's Flipper so we can only go so wide but that's no problem because I didn't want to go any wider than this.

Once we figured out the shape we wanted, Kris hand shaped some very thin sheet metal we keep on hand. He shaped them the way we wanted them then used some selftapping screws to mount them to the outside of the nose. These pcs' of metal represented the walls & roof of the new grill opening shape.





Looking from the inside, after we opened the front clip, Kris laid up several layers of fiberglass mat onto the sheet metal.....





After it sets up & the metal is removed, you have a pretty nice grill opening.



I gotta say that the guys I have working for me are the reason this kind of stuff comes out so nice. It couldn't be done without them. We all get together and work out the details of how something is going to be done & then they take the time & use the skills to make it happen just right. None of them had any background in this fiberglass kind of stuff when they started working for me, yet we all learned together. I'm sure days come along where they get pretty tired of working on a cerain car or a particular project. On those days we try to work on another car or project so when we return to the project at hand it's with renewed vigor & new ideas.

^ Rob, Kris, Mark ^ This is my way of saying Thanks.

Archie

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normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #620, 01-20-2007 11:26 AM
      Hello Achie and your crew, You guys are doing a wonderful job. Its great to see where I can give someone a start and have them be able to be so creative on there own customizing. Thanks Norm



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #621, 01-20-2007 01:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by normsf:

Hello Achie and your crew, You guys are doing a wonderful job. Its great to see where I can give someone a start and have them be able to be so creative on there own customizing. Thanks Norm


Thanks Norm, wait 'til you see the driving lights, they're going to be soooooo cool.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #622, 01-20-2007 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A day later with some filling & FGlassing, it's starting to take shape.





Tune in tomorrow when Curley's open mouth gets some teeth....

Archie


Good golly miss Molly!!




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #623, 01-20-2007 07:25 PM
      Looking good!!!!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #624, 01-21-2007 12:39 AM
      Are we ready to look at the driving lights?

From where the driving lights were originally mounted in the front clip, we determined that they needed to be rotated about 20 degrees to get them pointed in the right direction.

In this picture looking down at the driving light, you can see that rotating it 20 Deg. will make it hit some of the framework when the front clip os opened. So we determined that it also had to be moved back in the car an inch & outboard by an inch.



Here we are trying to determine what angle the light needed to mount at & how deep the pocket was going to be.





Once we figured that out is was just a matter of figuring out how big & where the driving light opening would be in the nose, it was time to build up a floor, inside wall & a top wall.

Bring the light back up into the pocket & take a look.....



So what did we SEE? ...... Looks like we found a use for the side vents that Norm has in the front clip.



A little bit of reshaping the opening over on the right & this is where we are at right now.....





Until next week then.

Archie


88White3.4GT MSG #625, 01-21-2007 01:28 AM
      cool work, i wish i could work in that shop, that'd be a dream internship


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #626, 01-21-2007 01:42 AM
      Ohh baby! Now the C6 flipper is begining to take shape, charactor, and form. I don't like to preach but, never bolt-on a part....tweak it baby, tweak it!

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DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #627, 01-21-2007 11:35 AM
      As Steve Martin would say: "youza wild and crazy guy"!

I really like the change to the curve of Norm's clip with your smallish wheels! Looks much much better!

Dave


Gokart Mozart MSG #628, 01-21-2007 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


Why not trim the front left corner of the driving light, say take out 1/2 to 3/4 inch, tapering the front edge to the untrimed right edge? It'll bring the lamp out more.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #629, 01-21-2007 12:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Why not trim the front left corner of the driving light, say take out 1/2 to 3/4 inch, tapering the front edge to the untrimed right edge? It'll bring the lamp out more.




Hmm....I'm not following you. Although it's a done deal right now "as-is" due in-part of 4.9's photoshoping skills, but please explain. Your suggestion may benefit FieroGTguy's C6 flipper that Norm is currently working on. Ideas and photoshops are always welcome.


At any rate, one of the reason why it was performed this way was to give the C6 flipper definition. Secondly, it allows for Norm's side vent to have function along with form. Another benefit is the back side could then be used to funnel air to the front brakes if such a vent was installed.




jscott1 MSG #630, 01-21-2007 12:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Why not trim the front left corner of the driving light, say take out 1/2 to 3/4 inch, tapering the front edge to the untrimed right edge? It'll bring the lamp out more.



I think he means trim the light something like this...to match the curvature of the fascia better.




BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #631, 01-21-2007 01:27 PM
      It just seems to make more sense to me to do it the way they are...in the event you ever had to replace a housing (extremely low probability) then you wouldn't have to completely modify the new one. I'm sure they are expensive enough as is.

Just my opinion...not trying to put anyone down.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #632, 01-21-2007 02:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BH2OFiero:

It just seems to make more sense to me to do it the way they are...in the event you ever had to replace a housing (extremely low probability) then you wouldn't have to completely modify the new one. I'm sure they are expensive enough as is.

Just my opinion...not trying to put anyone down.



Yes. I agree on all points.

Also by "Archie and the Crew" doing this way may result in less body work do to the area involved being larger. It also prevents the fog lamp housing from mimicking the original Corvette housing thus fooling people as to the [fog lamps] true origins, making it a truely one-off, and most importantly allowing the are to flow vs. an appearance of being [plastered-in]. Over-all it allows on-lookers to [think], ponder, speculate, and move onto other areas----then repeat the whole process over again.

Example A: A 2007 Corvette.


Instead of coping the style of the Corvette's front fog & headlamps cues, it's better [IMO] to change the fog lamp housing just enough to allow for specualation and to avoid someone saying, "Hey, he has the C6 front-end on a Fiero."

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-21-2007).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #633, 01-21-2007 02:23 PM
      Sorry. This pic is for Archie and the Crew for Mondays' discussion.




Gokart Mozart MSG #634, 01-21-2007 04:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


I think he means trim the light something like this...to match the curvature of the fascia better.

]


Yep, that's what I was thinking of. If you use a new piece of clear plastic for the front, you can shape the housing to the fascia. Attach the clear to the fascia instead of the housing.
If it gets damaged, easy fix.


fieroman22 (gmc1000_1965@yahoo.com) MSG #635, 01-21-2007 04:24 PM
      wow i think its been a week or two since ive really been on, but wow, this thing will be the altiment when done, but it does give me ides for my fenders, i want to flare them out like that too.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #636, 01-21-2007 04:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Yep, that's what I was thinking of. If you use a new piece of clear plastic for the front, you can shape the housing to the fascia. Attach the clear to the fascia instead of the housing.
If it gets damaged, easy fix.


Oh, now I see what you where referring too. The idea is great but I think it'll add more time involved in making, adding and, modifing the part.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #637, 01-21-2007 06:48 PM
      I think the way these driving lights are going to look when we are finished is going to be great. It will be almost as revolutionary as the way the NSX-R lights looked on Troy's car. It'll look like it was designed that way.

If we were going to remove the lenses from the C6 lights & put some plastic in it's place then we might have been better off with some AutoZone driving lights. We haven't put this much work into this car for the last year to settle for something that would look like it was designed for a cheap kit car.

We'll stick with these lights, you'll see they will look & work great.

Archie


jscott1 MSG #638, 01-21-2007 07:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We'll stick with these lights, you'll see they will look & work great.

Archie


Okay, us armchair amatuers will sit back and see what the professionals have dreamed up.


Gokart Mozart MSG #639, 01-21-2007 07:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

If we were going to remove the lenses from the C6 lights & put some plastic in it's place then we might have been better off with some AutoZone driving lights. We haven't put this much work into this car for the last year to settle for something that would look like it was designed for a cheap kit car.

Archie


Never said anything about removing the lens, just the clear plastic to mold with the nose. Make the hole what you want, not follow the original shape etal..

 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

Okay, us armchair amatuers will sit back and see what the professionals have dreamed up.

[This message has been edited by Gokart Mozart (edited 01-21-2007).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #640, 01-21-2007 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

Never said anything about removing the lens, just the clear plastic to mold with the nose. Make the hole what you want, not follow the original shape etal..



Sorry, I didn't mean to make my post sound so negative.

Please keep giving your input.

Sorry again.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #641, 01-22-2007 11:07 PM
      Curley, I'm emailing today's pics.

Archie


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #642, 01-22-2007 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

cool work, i wish i could work in that shop, that'd be a dream internship


your not kidding! that would be my dream come true too!


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #643, 01-22-2007 11:41 PM
      Headlights adjusted for Madcurl


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #644, 01-23-2007 12:07 AM
      Thanks 4.9

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #645, 01-23-2007 12:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley, I'm emailing today's pics.

Archie



Okay, I'll go and take peek at my email, hehe.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #646, 01-23-2007 12:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Okay, I'll go and take peek at my email, hehe.





I'd did and I can't belive my eyes, hehe. The foglamps now have shape, depth, and vent function.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-23-2007).]

BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #647, 01-24-2007 03:47 PM
      need a update. gonna go insane if I don't see some more pictures



FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #648, 01-24-2007 05:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Headlights adjusted for Madcurl


Im not feeling that one.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #649, 01-24-2007 05:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FieroWannaBe:


Im not feeling that one.


Hehe. That idea is currently...99% DOA. Thanks anyway for 4.9 photoshop help which aided in aborting that pipe dream. That's why it's better to have "input" from others vs. doing mods in total secret. You can stick to you're dreams but, sometimes a persons judgemnt can become cloudy, hehe. In the meantime, "Archie and the Crew" have moved onto the Eclispe window.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #650, 01-24-2007 05:56 PM
      Here you go Archie. Thanks to "Back on a Holiday" via Tom Slick.

Thanks guys.


[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-24-2007).]

BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #651, 01-24-2007 06:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:






it's too bad the contours of both the spoiler and third brake light don't perfectly match. Are their any plans to make modifications to the original design (of the picture above)



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #652, 01-24-2007 06:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BH2OFiero:


it's too bad the contours of both the spoiler and third brake light don't perfectly match. Are their any plans to make modifications to the original design (of the picture above)




The Caddy LED is going into the Camero bow-tie wingie. There is more of a flat surface to work with. Archie and I wanted to see were the "ends" are on the stock wing's lenght and if it's too long.

Troyboy trying out the Camero bow-tie

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-24-2007).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #653, 01-24-2007 11:28 PM
      The driving light pockets are taking shape.





You can see that wall the goes to the vent from the driving light pocket.







Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #654, 01-26-2007 01:52 PM
      Hmm. Old pre-fab of Camero bow-tie wing pics sent, hehe. Other than that, nothing new to report.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #655, 01-26-2007 02:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hmm. Old pre-fab of Camero bow-tie wing pics sent, hehe. Other than that, nothing new to report.














88White3.4GT MSG #656, 01-26-2007 03:25 PM
      with everything looking pretty smooth, why not smooth off that gas lid area, and make something different?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #657, 01-26-2007 03:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

with everything looking pretty smooth, why not smooth off that gas lid area, and make something different?


Not to worry, it's just stuck in the hole right now. It'll be a flushmount when we're done.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #658, 01-26-2007 03:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

with everything looking pretty smooth, why not smooth off that gas lid area, and make something different?


That idea was scratched. I have better plans which lay ahead for the Redux. That'll be smoothed but with a twist.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #659, 02-04-2007 01:29 PM
      (Depends wearing gumpy ole' man says') Dang nab bit Archie, how'd bout' some new pickn's? We ain't getting any younger ya know, hehe.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #660, 02-04-2007 02:09 PM
      Curl, u have a PM

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #661, 02-04-2007 03:37 PM
      4.9......you have pm-mail, hehe.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #662, 02-04-2007 05:02 PM
      They are not finished yet but here are a few pics of the driving light relocation project.









Archie

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Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #663, 02-04-2007 05:39 PM
      very nice work there archie and crew!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #664, 02-04-2007 06:06 PM
     





Archie



cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #665, 02-04-2007 06:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

They are not finished yet but here are a few pics of the driving light relocation project.









Archie



I didn't care for the looks of this conversion when it first started. Now I have to say that this Fiero looks like its on steroids or somthing. It looks really, really good. I commend all they guys at Archie's. Well done.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #666, 02-04-2007 07:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:


I didn't care for the looks of this conversion when it first started. Now I have to say that this Fiero looks like its on steroids or somthing. It looks really, really good. I commend all they guys at Archie's. Well done.



Thank you. Archie, The Crew, & me are very happy that project: Arch Rival is nearing it's completion.


A quote from Alex (wide body guy): It's my golden rule, hehe.

"Anyone can make a copy of something, it may look good but it ever is the real car. Make something from your imagination, something unique, something nobody has, anything is possible and, ideas can be a reality."

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-04-2007).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #667, 02-04-2007 07:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:


I didn't care for the looks of this conversion when it first started. Now I have to say that this Fiero looks like its on steroids or somthing. It looks really, really good. I commend all they guys at Archie's. Well done.


Hehehe you weren't the only one,..there were quite a few people who had negative opinions of the car when it first began, but boy it sure has gotten quiet !

And they aren't done yet folks !


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #668, 02-04-2007 08:06 PM
      fourpoint9 latest photoshop

Here's his first draft.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-05-2007).]

GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #669, 02-04-2007 08:26 PM
      Madcurl that thing looks like its going 100 mph just sitting there . Great job by Archie and his gang .

Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #670, 02-04-2007 08:58 PM
      please don't take this the wrong way but looking at those pics a second time there are only two things i hope get changed IMO. where the top of the fender line meets the top or the door line... way too high. alot of newer cars are doing that and i think it looks like somebody was too lazy to make it streamlined. it's one of those things that would make or break a sale with me. the front tire needs to be thinner or the back needs to be thicker...right now it looks like the front has a larger circumference. again, not trying to be an a$$ just giving my opinion. the car overall looks great other then those two points.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #671, 02-04-2007 09:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT:

please don't take this the wrong way but looking at those pics a second time there are only two things i hope get changed IMO. where the top of the fender line meets the top or the door line... way too high. alot of newer cars are doing that and i think it looks like somebody was too lazy to make it streamlined. it's one of those things that would make or break a sale with me. the front tire needs to be thinner or the back needs to be thicker...right now it looks like the front has a larger circumference. again, not trying to be an a$$ just giving my opinion. the car overall looks great other then those two points.


Constructive comments are always welcomed. As for the rears, I was going to use the 325 but like a frighten little girl....I was too scarred. Maybe on the next batch I'll go 325/25/20? As for the fronts----I'm keeping the 255's. The same situation happened on #011. Once the 225 finally wore out, I opt'd for the 235 to even out with 275's.

Streamline? I've noticed it too. But that area is on the back burner. I may address it once the window and C-shaping of the C6 flipper is performed.



Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #672, 02-04-2007 09:57 PM
      first off my photochopping skills aren't all that great and i don't have a decent side pic to use.... but this is what i was thinking on the fender "problem"... it's hard to see but it is different.

i'm starting to think those scoops on the front bumper remind me of something... but i can't put my finger on it...

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #673, 02-04-2007 10:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT:

first off my photochopping skills aren't all that great and i don't have a decent side pic to use.... but this is what i was thinking on the fender "problem"... it's hard to see but it is different.
i'm starting to think those scoops on the front bumper remind me of something... but i can't put my finger on it...




4.9 is way ahead of you. He's doing a photoshop as [we] read.

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SAFASTRO MSG #674, 02-05-2007 12:18 AM
      Looking good Curly!!!!
Man....Archie and the gang have sure done a great job with this one!
I hope my car turns out half as nice as your ride.
Keep up the great work guys!!!



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #675, 02-05-2007 02:28 AM
      Hey exoticse....you have mail.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #676, 02-05-2007 03:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hey exoticse....you have mail.




exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #677, 02-05-2007 03:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Hey exoticse....you have mail.


Air conditioner cover from Mistubishi eclipse, that is going on #20.







madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #678, 02-05-2007 03:50 PM
      Thanks Tony. Archie and the Crew are reviewing them now.

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #679, 02-05-2007 11:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
4.9 is way ahead of you. He's doing a photoshop as [we] read.





Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #680, 02-05-2007 11:16 PM
      i was talking about where the hood/fender line meets the door... but that looks good too.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #681, 02-06-2007 08:02 PM
     


 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley, can you have the Arch Rival call me tomorrow, also check your EMail.

BTW, tell him this one is coming along very nice.

Archie





fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #682, 02-06-2007 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
from the ArchRival:

Yeah thats better..hmm? How bout' another pic with the top edge being horizontal instead of the angle for comparisons?







Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #683, 02-06-2007 11:29 PM
      Still doing some glassing on the nose trying to get the corners of the openings just right.





We're also trying to work our way down the sides of the car. Doing the front wheel well lip & working on final sanding of the doors, rockers & rear fenders.





Don't worry about the difference between the rocker panel wheel well lip & the lip on the front clip, we have a plan for that.



Now I understand that we have more changes coming, so stand by.....






Archie


XzotikGT (marcellus_k@hotmail.com) MSG #684, 02-07-2007 01:18 AM
      I love how you guys have the doors flowing into the quarter panels, and the ground effects are awesome. That car is very nice, especially since you guys are adjusting the nose.



Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #685, 02-07-2007 04:27 AM
      did you guys already figure out what your doing with the fender/hood to door thing? if not the one pic archie put up is good enough for me to photochop to show you what i was talking about. let me know.

DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #686, 02-07-2007 08:59 AM
      Awesome work guys! It's great to see how the parts - as they are added and tweeked begin to flow into a final(ish) looking design.

Love the progress - from when I saw Norm to the front clip installation!

Dave


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #687, 02-07-2007 10:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT:

did you guys already figure out what your doing with the fender/hood to door thing? if not the one pic archie put up is good enough for me to photochop to show you what i was talking about. let me know.


I think we know what we're going to do but feel free to do a PShop if you want.

It's going to be a few weeks because we still have to pull a mold off of the rockers before we build in that area.

We're doing wide body rocker molds but the "mold" will be BFFE. (Before Flipper Front End).

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #688, 02-07-2007 02:46 PM
     



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #689, 02-07-2007 03:21 PM
      A [PIPE DREAM]: Dated 1/26/2006



[4.9's photoshop renderings]


[Reality check]

Well, it's close enough for me, hehe.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #690, 02-07-2007 07:41 PM
     


This car is going to be simply sick !!

For those who doubted,.please mail apology letters to.........

hehehehehe


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #691, 02-07-2007 08:54 PM
      very nice... in that yellow photochop it looks hot!

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #692, 02-07-2007 09:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

A [PIPE DREAM]: Dated 1/26/2006



[4.9's photoshop renderings]


[Reality check]

Well, it's close enough for me, hehe.



Damn, its really been over a year of surgery.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first Fiero that looks like a Fiero but doesn't. The Arch Rival will be that Fiero. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #693, 02-08-2007 05:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

A [PIPE DREAM]: Dated 1/26/2006



[4.9's photoshop renderings]


[Reality check]

Well, it's close enough for me, hehe.



all I can say is damn nice job and keep it up the improvments are exactly what are needed


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #694, 02-09-2007 02:00 AM
      A special delivery for madcurl's arch rival aka chop top #20.



Hmmmm,.....something from a Ford,......i wonder what it could be !?

I know, i know, i know !!! hehehehehe.

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Gokart Mozart MSG #695, 02-09-2007 05:30 AM
      A tube?

SAFASTRO MSG #696, 02-09-2007 11:07 AM
      This is what it is:

TUB-ENG VEN BREA RR

That's all I found out. Engine Breather Vent Tube!

Can't wait to see how you'rer gonna use it.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #697, 02-09-2007 01:05 PM
      I ment to update this thread yesterday but I've been trying to convert some of my instruction videos to DVD's & that's a lot harder than you might think.

We're going to call this "Hot Wings Friday" because most of this week has been dedicated to installing the wings on Curley & Troy's cars.

So here is the Hot Wing update for Curley's car......

1st we used some self tapping screws to fasten the wing to the car....







Then we glassed the wing on & made cuts to split off the wing tips. After glassing the wing on, we remove the self tapping screws....







We'll have to do some work to blend the wing tips into the body....



..............



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #698, 02-09-2007 01:12 PM
      We have to glass in the open ends of the wing & the wing tips.







While we are doing this & waiting for fiberglass or body filler to harden up, we are also working on other areas of the body, like the nose.....



............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #699, 02-09-2007 01:21 PM
      Once the major glassing work is done then we use filler to make the ends blend in to look good. We'll then Glass a layer over this & then used filler to shape ot to the final finish......













This was yesterday's update, I'll post today's update tonight.

I hope you guys like all the detail we are posting in these threads.

Archie



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #700, 02-09-2007 03:10 PM
      Looks great Curly!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #701, 02-09-2007 05:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by XzotikGT:

I love how you guys have the doors flowing into the quarter panels, and the ground effects are awesome. That car is very nice, especially since you guys are adjusting the nose.




That was part of one the clues from page 10 with regards to this pic:



While at the FieroRama show 2006, I was eyeballin' this car for several hours.

[Reality]


The idea was too, tweek the existing IRM rocker just a little....

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-10-2007).]

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #702, 02-10-2007 12:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

This was yesterday's update, I'll post today's update tonight.



Updates!!!!


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #703, 02-10-2007 01:30 PM
      Archie
a good program for converting video to DVD is power producer gold I have it and have done many of my VHS tapes to DVD without any problems .
Just a sugestion to try help you out


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #704, 02-10-2007 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


We're doing wide body rocker molds but the "mold" will be BFFE. (Before Flipper Front End).

Archie




Hmm. I wonder how many PFF'rs will want them???

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Future widebody

Jon Carlo's GT sporting a 18/20 wheel combo !



He reportedly plans to add a widebody to balance things out.


Hmm...a good question for the "What's up at Archie's" thread or a new thread started...hmm?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #705, 02-10-2007 10:40 PM
      AS of the end of the day Friday the Rival was all apart & sitting around the shop.

We've got the last of the glassing on the ends of the wing....





We have the decklid off to do the glassing on the underside of the wing.





Rob also had the time today to bend a piece of 1" sqr. box tubing to conform to the shape of the bottom edge of the new windshield.







Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #706, 02-11-2007 03:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Now I understand that we have more changes coming, so stand by.....



Archie



Heading North:

http://fieroswest.westcoast...ges/westfest-010.htm

http://fieroswest.westcoast...ges/westfest-076.htm


4-mulaGT (vettemanzo6@hotmail.com) MSG #707, 02-11-2007 08:18 PM
      Aww its not tha factory supercharged 4.4 you were hinting at

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #708, 02-13-2007 01:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 4-mulaGT:

Aww its not tha factory supercharged 4.4 you were hinting at


Project: "MOON RAKER" has a N* too.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #709, 02-13-2007 02:28 PM
      Curley needs pictures to get thru the next few days without us.







Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #710, 02-13-2007 02:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley needs pictures to get thru the next few days without us.

Archie

Cerrrrtainly, nyuk, nyuk!

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-13-2007).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #711, 02-17-2007 05:58 PM
      Building the new "Pinch Weld" for the new windshield to sit on.

Welding in the bar accross the base of the windshield.



This is going to be what it look like....





The all Handbuilt Pinch Weld is welded on the car.....



Welding in some sheet metal to close off the front compartment from the interior side of the windshield.....



Archie

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FieroGTguy (fierogtguy@aol.com) MSG #712, 02-17-2007 07:15 PM
      That's going to look sleeky as HELL!

Greg


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #713, 02-17-2007 07:27 PM
      The "oldest" guy on the forum (Orville 70+ yrs old) is the person who came up with this great idea and Archie and the Crew is tweeking Orville's original idea. Who says, "Ya can't teach a old dog new tricks." In this case, Orville is teaching the young dogs a few new tricks and "Archie and the Crew" are conducting a "class" on tweeking.

Respect your elders, hehe.



Orville The "Duke" of my glass Inspiration

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Sharkman MSG #714, 02-17-2007 07:38 PM
      Is that the original glas? That are moved up in the front or is that from another car?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #715, 02-17-2007 07:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Is that the original glas? That are moved up in the front or is that from another car?


The front glass is from a different car (pg17).



UCFieroCharger (carjlinn@gmail.com) MSG #716, 02-17-2007 09:12 PM
      so what exactly is being cooked up for the interior of this beauty?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #717, 02-17-2007 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by UCFieroCharger:

so what exactly is being cooked up for the interior of this beauty?




Pg. 13. Dakota Digital, 2006 Mustang vents, A tweeked Pisa center consol, and....


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #718, 02-19-2007 02:50 AM
      [my own homebrew renderings]

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #719, 02-19-2007 12:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Now I understand that we have more changes coming, so stand by.....

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

A special delivery for madcurl's arch rival aka chop top #20.



Hmmmm,.....something from a Ford,......i wonder what it could be !?

I know, i know, i know !!! hehehehehe.




 
quote
Originally posted by SAFASTRO:

This is what it is:

TUB-ENG VEN BREA RR

That's all I found out. Engine Breather Vent Tube!

Can't wait to see how you'rer gonna use it.




4.9's photoshopn' skills:



[A Reality] of the Ford GT Pipe Dream PIPE:



I only ordered (1) part (left side) since I don't know 100% it will work but with some tweeking it should work (at least in my mind it does, hehe).

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #720, 02-19-2007 09:35 PM
      More Pipe Dream renderings: 4.9's




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #721, 02-19-2007 10:33 PM
      Hey, I own a page!!!!

Let's see, while you're working your next pipe dream, we're still trying to make the last one come true.

The pinch weld is being welded in



And the gaps between the new pinch weld and the chassis are closed off with shaped metal fillers being welded in. Along the base of the windshiels and on both "A" pillars.





We sat the windshield on it to see what it'll look like.....



Looking from inside, someone needs to clean the glass soon. The windshield really look like a steep angle from here.




Archie

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AutoTech (boosted2m6@yahoo.com) MSG #722, 02-19-2007 10:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Woah, thats about what the inside of my car looks like driving home from the bar after poundin a few at 2am


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #723, 02-19-2007 10:52 PM
      lol... it's starting to look hot though.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #724, 02-20-2007 12:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AutoTech:


Woah, thats about what the inside of my car looks like driving home from the bar after poundin a few at 2am


ROFLMAO


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #725, 02-20-2007 11:20 AM
      I am curious how you will rework the wiper to be able to clean the winshield amd not interfer with the hood

Songman MSG #726, 02-20-2007 11:44 AM
      You have to redo the rear line of the hood. Look up some of Orville's cars for details.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #727, 02-20-2007 12:37 PM
      We're workin' at it.





jscott1 MSG #728, 02-20-2007 12:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We're workin' at it.




I'm anxious to see the new wiper system as well, but I am waiting patiently.



The A pillars will not be as wide at the bottom as I expected. It should look very nice when it's all said and done.

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Songman MSG #729, 02-20-2007 12:47 PM
      Of you could just mount high pressure air vents at the base of the windshield and just blow the water off the windshield.. If we're going to go high-tech, we might as well go all the way!

But seriously, two things come to mind for me... Either raise the hood scoop a bit and put a center mounted wiper like you would find on an Enzo, that would lay flat on one side of the other at the line of the hood when not in use... Or a mechanical cowl like an old Corvette has that raises when you turn the wipers on but lets them slide down below when not in use... Personally I like the center mount.

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jscott1 MSG #730, 02-20-2007 01:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

Personally I like the center mount.



That would be cool, and probably easier to install since you only have to install one versus two. But where do you get one??


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #731, 02-20-2007 01:57 PM
      More Pipe dreams mod from different angle.




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #732, 02-20-2007 01:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


That would be cool, and probably easier to install since you only have to install one versus two. But where do you get one??


Lotus Elise, hehe.



jscott1 MSG #733, 02-20-2007 02:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Lotus Elise, hehe.


Is that a guess or a hint?

Actually I just searched ebay and there are tons of Mercedes single wiper systems out there and for half the cost of the unversal cable systems. I think I'll go the Mercedes way, if I can get someone like Riceburner to help be design the interface to be able to control it..


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #734, 02-20-2007 02:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


Is that a guess or a hint?

Actually I just searched ebay and there are tons of Mercedes single wiper systems out there and for half the cost of the unversal cable systems. I think I'll go the Mercedes way, if I can get someone like Riceburner to help be design the interface to be able to control it..



Got a link?


Songman MSG #735, 02-20-2007 02:37 PM
      How does $40 sound?

1995 E320 wiper gear
Click Here

Here is a picture of how it looks on the car.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #736, 02-20-2007 02:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

How does $40 sound?

1995 E320 wiper gear
Click Here



Dang it...the link doesn't work on my end.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #737, 02-20-2007 02:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

You have to redo the rear line of the hood. Look up some of Orville's cars for details.



Yes. That's the ticket Dale! Thanks for your input....we'll get on it!


Songman MSG #738, 02-20-2007 04:24 PM
      Crap! The eBay item number is 280083266842 but now someone has bid on it and the Buy It Now is gone. Oh well, the bid is at $9.99 and there is 1 day 18 hours left in the auction.

jscott1 MSG #739, 02-20-2007 05:29 PM
      Do you think they will chase me off the Mercedes lot if I go there to checkout the wipers? Anyone have a list of which models had the single wiper?

Songman MSG #740, 02-20-2007 05:54 PM
     

Mercedes uses single arm controlled as shown above. It has that little extra cam in there to make the arm pivot as it goes across the windshield. A little more complicated but worth it for range of vision.

There is a company called Bonrath that makes a single wiper conversion that is popular with the VW crowd. They recommend a place called CFI Motorsports for the kit which is a little over $200. I tried to reach them but their website is down and no answer on the phone.

Here is another kit that from VWs but I don't know if it is rectangular pattern or just a sweep.
http://www.dubstopimports.c...earch.x=0&Search.y=0



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #741, 02-20-2007 05:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

Do you think they will chase me off the Mercedes lot if I go there to checkout the wipers? Anyone have a list of which models had the single wiper?


Leave your Saws-All at home & you'll be ok.

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #742, 02-20-2007 06:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

Do you think they will chase me off the Mercedes lot if I go there to checkout the wipers? Anyone have a list of which models had the single wiper?


easy one to find is from the 190 e model they go back as far as 86 and are faily cheep


E Bay Item number: 140087800490 here is one

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Songman MSG #743, 02-20-2007 06:31 PM
      Yeah, it'll have to be late 80s or so. newer MBs don't have them.

Derek2M6 (arc.170@gmail.com) MSG #744, 02-20-2007 07:01 PM
      I had a similar idea to use the MB single wiper. Haven't looked at it much yet, but I agree the 190E is probably the easiest to get it from and might be the cheapest.

My friend's '93 190E has the single wiper (which is funky to watch in action); I might have take the measuring tape with me to work and get the length of it.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #745, 02-20-2007 07:18 PM
      Most of the times I've done a single wiper before, I've used the Fiero motor & head unit & modified the wiper arm/blade. Then you you don't have to make an off model fit the GM wiring & controls. In this case we need to find is an articulated arm that goes where we want it and fits the GM hub.

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #746, 02-20-2007 08:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Most of the times I've done a single wiper before, I've used the Fiero motor & head unit & modified the wiper arm/blade. Then you you don't have to make an off model fit the GM wiring & controls. In this case we need to find is an articulated arm that goes where we want it and fits the GM hub.

Archie




you should be able to fit the GM motor to this arm assembly your fabrication skills are excellent


jscott1 MSG #747, 02-21-2007 02:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:




you should be able to fit the GM motor to this arm assembly your fabrication skills are excellent


I agree...I'm watching this very anxiously as I figure out how to mount the windshield to my chop t-top...

And Archie you won't have any reason not to chop t-tops after you perfect the Eclipse windshield.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #748, 02-21-2007 12:13 PM
     

Note to self.

Avoid late night conversations with madcurl.

It could result in sleepless nights pondering his many creative ideas.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #749, 02-21-2007 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Note to self.

Avoid late night conversations with madcurl.

It could result in sleepless nights pondering his many creative ideas.




That idea is now haunting you, huh? You'd better hurry before the "dream catcher" steals the idea!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #750, 02-21-2007 01:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

And Archie you won't have any reason not to chop t-tops after you perfect the Eclipse windshield.



I can't find my original post but on the 1st page of this thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043073.html is a copy of it & it explains why I'm not interested in doing a "T" top chop. Very little of that reasoning has anything to do with the windshield.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #751, 02-21-2007 02:25 PM
      Thanks Bubbajoxxx

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jscott1 MSG #752, 02-21-2007 03:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:



Mercedes uses single arm controlled as shown above. It has that little extra cam in there to make the arm pivot as it goes across the windshield. A little more complicated but worth it for range of vision.


I saw an old SL500 in the parking lot today and it had the single wiper. I could confirm from the wipe pattern on the glass that it used the controlled pattern. Pretty cool looking.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #753, 02-21-2007 04:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


I saw an old SL500 in the parking lot today and it had the single wiper. I could confirm from the wipe pattern on the glass that it used the controlled pattern. Pretty cool looking.


You didn't see any Lotus Elise in the parking lot did you? I like that one too.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #754, 02-21-2007 07:56 PM
      To Serve Mankind: Rhynoplasty

The operation of the Karl Molden (hideous scoop) will be surgically removed on Thursday. Now the "World of Mankind" as we know it, shall have peace and so will Karl. J/k

Judging from the initial MRI, Karl hideous bump will be sculptured ending in a sleeker & smoother for easier flow of it's airways. Karl will soon roam the, "Streets of San Francisco" free from shame.


[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 02-21-2007).]

Gokart Mozart MSG #755, 02-22-2007 06:08 PM
      I have a few questions:
What is the width of the top of both old and new windshields?
How wide is the stock windshield 3 vertical inches down?
After the chop, how much does the windows have to angle in?
What I'm getting at is if you look at a trapezoid, cut 3 inches of the middle and lower the top, the sides have to angle in.
But if you leave the sides normal, the top has to expand.
By going the route that's becoming popular with the tilted windshield, why not leave the side angle stock, thereby using stock glass door windows, find a windshield that fits the new dimensions?
That little area by the side mirror is about 3 inches, right?

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #756, 02-22-2007 06:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

But if you leave the sides normal, the top has to expand.



Mr. Orville on his first two choptops, he expanded the roof to reduce the needed inward angle of the side glass. Not to mention, he used a different front windsheild. This also means, Orville had to sacrafice a Fiero for the needed section. Is Orville's way better? Yes, if you want less of a curviture for the side windows but,.....end the end, he'd still need custom glass because of the reduced height of the roof.

EDIT: The operation was a success. Karl is recoperating at Machessney Park Hillside manor, hehe

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Songman MSG #757, 02-22-2007 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

I have a few questions:
What is the width of the top of both old and new windshields?
How wide is the stock windshield 3 vertical inches down?
After the chop, how much does the windows have to angle in?
What I'm getting at is if you look at a trapezoid, cut 3 inches of the middle and lower the top, the sides have to angle in.
But if you leave the sides normal, the top has to expand.
By going the route that's becoming popular with the tilted windshield, why not leave the side angle stock, thereby using stock glass door windows, find a windshield that fits the new dimensions?
That little area by the side mirror is about 3 inches, right?



The stock window is still wrong if you just move the top straight down and widen it. Even if the curve of the window was correct, the front edge of the glass would still not be right. You would effectively, be not rolling the window all the way up too so the window would hit the top seal before it ever got close to the a pillar.

Orville's first lesson is that you cannot build a car and then find a windshield to fit. You have to build the car to fit a specific windshield. That is why the one T-top chop that was started has never been finished. Chopping the car and welding it back together would have been the easy part. Hoping to find a windshield to fit would be kind of like trying to win the lottery.


jscott1 MSG #758, 02-23-2007 02:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:

That is why the one T-top chop that was started has never been finished. Chopping the car and welding it back together would have been the easy part. Hoping to find a windshield to fit would be kind of like trying to win the lottery.


Yes, I'm watching this thread because I intend to finish the t-top chop top by re-welding the windshield frame to match the curve of a known windshield.


Songman MSG #759, 02-23-2007 09:00 AM
      Yeah, I knew you had ended up with the car. And I have every faith that you will do it.

At one point I talked to Orville about helping me chop my Formula using the extra T-top roof I had using his system. But then I sold the Formula and then the roof. Thanks goodness I was saved from the madness!! haha


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #760, 02-23-2007 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

To Serve Mankind: Rhynoplasty






BullRider (bob@replicacountach.com) MSG #761, 02-23-2007 01:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Most of the times I've done a single wiper before, I've used the Fiero motor & head unit & modified the wiper arm/blade. Then you you don't have to make an off model fit the GM wiring & controls. In this case we need to find is an articulated arm that goes where we want it and fits the GM hub.

Archie


You see the need for this all the time for replica cars, such as my Countach. My car uses the stock Fiero wiper motor. I removed the wire lead for the auto-home, so I just turn off the wiper when its where I want it to rest. I've heard, however, that if you want a full (or almost full) 180 degree sweep, the rear wiper motor from a '93 Ford Aerostar van is perfect.

My windshield area:


Gokart Mozart MSG #762, 02-24-2007 07:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Songman:


The stock window is still wrong if you just move the top straight down and widen it. Even if the curve of the window was correct, the front edge of the glass would still not be right. You would effectively, be not rolling the window all the way up too so the window would hit the top seal before it ever got close to the a pillar.


Forgot it tilted in when it got to the top.


Songman MSG #763, 02-24-2007 09:57 AM
      I was down at Orville's yesterday checking on the progress of his latest project.He's incorporating some really neat things into this one. I told him to drop in on this thread next time he checked the forum.

Deabionni (deabionni@gmail.com) MSG #764, 02-24-2007 10:29 AM
      I wonder if there is a way to use a monoblade system like Mercedes uses. I found a couple of aftermarket kits online for VW's and such, so I wonder how much work it would be to incorporate a kit like that into a Fiero.

Kit 1.
Kit 2.
Kit 3.
This site sells the kit as well, but they are updating that page at the moment.

Here'd more detailed pics of what the monoblade system looks like in a Mercedes.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #765, 02-24-2007 12:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Deabionni:

I Here'd more detailed pics of what the monoblade system looks like in a Mercedes.



Hehehe.

Thanks for the link Deabionni. Archie has already purchased the Mercedes mono wiper for #020 windshield. I'm now wanting to change out all of my old style 1900's Fiero wiper blades. Geezs, out with the old, in with the new....especially when it comes to a choptop. I don't think I'll ever want to go back to the stock Fiero windshield nor the wipers either. I can purchase (1) blade vs. (2) blades and less of a dual worry about scratching the darn windshield.

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jscott1 MSG #766, 02-24-2007 02:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Archie has already purchased the Mercedes mono wiper for #020 windshield. I'm now wanting to change out all of my old style 1900's Fiero wiper blades...


I'm with you on this one... I'm ready to go Mercedes too, but I didn't want to get in a bidding war with Archie on the same setup.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #767, 02-25-2007 03:07 PM
      Pipe Dream: imagine the possiblities....




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #768, 02-26-2007 12:30 AM
      Still dreaming:




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #769, 02-26-2007 09:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Still dreaming:



why not remove 6 inches of the spare tire well and drop the hood center to form a full imsa style rad. duct for full air flow trough the rad

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XzotikGT (marcellus_k@hotmail.com) MSG #770, 02-27-2007 09:32 PM
      It is kinda dificult to go too deep in that are because of the brake master cylinder being so high up.



j.forbiddendesigns MSG #771, 02-28-2007 11:34 PM
      Hi, i've been watching this thread for awhile now, the work is inspiring to say the least. I just have a question, i know it was asked before so i am probably just dumb but what type of winshield are you using? is it a eclispe or what model? thanks

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #772, 03-01-2007 12:02 AM
     

What is really amazing is how with a handful of orchestrated tweeks, Madcurl will turn what many considered the car's biggest weakness (the front) into probably it's strongest and best feature.

He has so many different ideas floating around in his head it is scary. All the stuff u see is probably 2 or 3 years old (conceptually from his mind), he is just now getting around to doing it.

For every mod u see he probably has 5 or 6 versions or ways he can take it. He changes his mind as things go along sometimes, but it is usually because he likes one idea he had originally over the other.

We are watchng this one, hehehehe but his mind is already on the next projects.

As far as this one goes just watch when he is done his work, as always, will speak for itself.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #773, 03-01-2007 10:22 AM
      Well, we are going to need amazing to get this baby in there.

The MB wiper assembly came in &, as suspected, it's a lot bigger than the EBay ad made it appear.

From now on this assembly will be referred to as "The Crab", you'll see why when you look at the pictures.



Notice how tall the Crab is when in the side view. Notice also how it's being heald by it's claw with it's legs hanging down.



Here it is in it's attack mode as it is attacking our windshield.

How'd you like to have this crawling up your chest?



Archie


SAFASTRO MSG #774, 03-01-2007 10:49 AM
      WOW....that thing IS huge!
I'm not really sure how you'll make that one work, but I know you have something up your sleave Archie!
Can't wait to see this part of the car completed and working.



Songman MSG #775, 03-01-2007 10:51 AM
      I have no doubt that you can make it fit in there, Archie. Just keep thinking how cool it is going to be when you get it done.
Make a few cuts where it will fit down inside where the current wiper mechanism is and it will work out fine.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #776, 03-01-2007 12:10 PM
      Operation: King Claw, hehe.


88White3.4GT MSG #777, 03-01-2007 12:21 PM
      Where will it sit when "king claw" isn't being used? :O

jscott1 MSG #778, 03-01-2007 12:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Well, we are going to need amazing to get this baby in there.

The MB wiper assembly came in &, as suspected, it's a lot bigger than the EBay ad made it appear.

Archie



I'm glad you bought it instead of me...your fabrication skills will make it work somehow. The only concern I have is the motor and electronics weatherproof? It looks like it will have to sit in the cowl where it will definitely get wet.


BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #779, 03-01-2007 01:35 PM
      Wow...that is way bigger than I would have expected it to be. You've got your hands full trying to conceal that.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #780, 03-01-2007 02:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

Where will it sit when "king claw" isn't being used? :O



Hmm. It'll be Pinching something??


SAFASTRO MSG #781, 03-01-2007 02:34 PM
      It's too bad you'll have to mess with the tightness of this cowl hood.
I guess it may be a blessing in disguise to be able to hide the claw under it!!

[/QUOTE]



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #782, 03-01-2007 02:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SAFASTRO:

It's too bad you'll have to mess with the tightness of this cowl hood.
I guess it may be a blessing in disguise to be able to hide the claw under it!!


[/QUOTE]


Welllllllllll,.....not quite hehehehehe

Stay tuned.

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Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #783, 03-01-2007 04:28 PM
      If you follow the sketches and concepts it appears the top of the cowl will be coming off, thus exposing the claw

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #784, 03-01-2007 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scurvy:

If you follow the sketches and concepts it appears the top of the cowl will be coming off, thus exposing the claw


Hmm. Part of the three or four "clues" was on a previous page.

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

The madness continues,.......






I will say this: The scoop (cowl as some call it) is actually a "head-fake" for other items not seen right now. I guess the key word is, "tweek" cause I rarely bolt anything onto the car w/o first doing something. Granted, 4.9, "Archie and the Crew" and others have aided in tweeking items too along the way.

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #785, 03-05-2007 11:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Operation: King Claw, hehe.


I dont see any real problems installing the unit as you can remove the stock hood latch and the upper section of the panel and form a new panel with the right size hole for the wiper as there is plenty of room with the latch out .

and for latching the hood I recomend using the latches from an 80,s jag they are easy to install as they are a set. and are fairly small and mount on the outside corners of the hood


jscott1 MSG #786, 03-05-2007 02:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


I dont see any real problems installing the unit...


Thanks from me for the installation tips...


BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #787, 03-05-2007 04:14 PM
      any updates....?

DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #788, 03-05-2007 04:50 PM
      I think the part should be listed in Archie's products as "Clawzilla"!

Curly - your such a tricky character!

Looking forward to seeing how this goes together!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #789, 03-05-2007 05:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
I dont see any real problems installing the unit as you can remove the stock hood latch and the upper section of the panel and form a new panel with the right size hole for the wiper as there is plenty of room with the latch out .


We didn't see any real problems based on the pictures on EBay either but after getting the part you realize how heavy the modifications are going to be & what the trade off is going to be to make it work.

Here is a copy of the pictures and analysis that I sent to Curley after we had a chance to look at it in it's Full Size.

ITEM A) Starting with picture 5549. The “flair” that we are going to have to put on the hood that will have to flair up to cover the base of the windshield will need to come up to cover most of the green tape. It will have to start 4 or 5 inches forward of the base of the windshield so that it will taper smoothly up over the windshield. You’ll need to keep this in mind as we talk about the wiper because the wiper has enough swing that it will violate the green tape area at both ends of the sweep of the wiper.

ITEM B) In picture 5733 we have the wiper assembly up as close as it can be to the windshield & located in the center of the car. In this picture the wiper blade is at the lowest end of it’s stroke on the drivers side of the car. Please note how much of the green tape the blade covers. Also note that at the other end of the stroke on the passenger side of the car it covers just as much of the green tape. This means that the “flair” of the hood is going to have to be notched out to clear the wiper or it’s going to have to come out quite a bit higher above the windshield so that the wiper & arm stay below the “flair”.

NOW, we’ve covered the fore & aft location of the wiper & the left to right location of the wiper. NOW for how DEEP we can mount the wiper assembly.

ITEM C) In picture 5724 you’ll see the area I identify as the Rubber Seal. When we dig the hole to mount the wiper assembly down into, we will not be able to mount it any lower than where this rubber seal will be even with the face of the windshield. If you look at the area in this picture above the rubber seal you’ll see that the wiper assembly “head” is at least 2-1/2” above the rubber seal (see 2” x 3.5” business card in picture) If you’ll look at picture 5535, you’ll see that in the center of the car at the base of the windshield, that the windshield is at least ½” above the current location of the hood. So the “Bubble that is going to have to be put on the hood to clear the head of the wiper assembly is going to have to be at least 3” taller than where our “flair” was going to have to be in item “A” above.

ITEM D) Now when we dig the hole to mount the wiper assembly down into, we may run into another problem. The area where the stock Fiero wiper arms are normally mounted is only so deep & I’m concerned that it is not deep enough & that is cannot be made deeper. Go back to picture 5724. See the items I’ve marked “Actuator & Actuator arm” When the wiper is turned ON these parts are moving. When we get the wiper assembly mounted deep enough to get the rubber seal in the area described in ITEM C above there may not be room for the Actuator & Actuator arm to work in. You don’t want to take the floor out of this area because then you’re getting into the heater & A/C & blower motor area.

ITEM E) I just noticed this & it may be a problem too. Go back to picture 5724 note the “Wiper Motor” is Higher than the Rubber Seal. There could be a problem clearing this too in the same areas as item “D” above.

So there you go, these are just the items I’ve found so far, I’m sure that is not all we will run into on this.









Now no one is saying that it will not work, however it will take sacrifices & we have determinded that we don"t want to make those sacrifices.

So at this point we've decided to use a cable drive single wiper like I used on my GT40.

Hope that helps

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #790, 03-05-2007 05:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Operation: King Claw, hehe.


Operation: King Crab (claw) had too much of a pinch and would mess-up my scoop pipe dreams, hehe. Either mees-up the C6 flipper ($$$$) for a $25 part wasn't going to fly. I can sell it to my friend who drives those 6-figure(s) Mercedes, hehe.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #791, 03-05-2007 05:37 PM
     

No comments yet on the new hood mod ??


FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #792, 03-05-2007 06:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
No comments yet on the new hood mod ??


IDK, it doesnt look finished yet.


Finally_Mine_86_GT (luv2eatsome@yahoo.com) MSG #793, 03-05-2007 09:53 PM
      i have an idea for a wiper... it would have to be all custom and i'm not done with the blueprints yet... if you do it right you won't even know it's there and it probably won't work with heavy snow... let me know and i'll describe it the best i can to archie.

BH2OFiero (valbrown@ns.sympatico.ca) MSG #794, 03-12-2007 10:17 AM
      bump

Gokart Mozart MSG #795, 03-12-2007 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

and for latching the hood I recomend using the latches from an 80,s jag they are easy to install as they are a set. and are fairly small and mount on the outside corners of the hood


Another idea is to use the latches from the Solstice/Sky.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #796, 03-12-2007 11:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Another idea is to use the latches from the Solstice/Sky.



Good ideas but, from the begining, I planned on using duel Dakota Digital actuators for the C6 flipper. Latches & locks are okay but, "hit'n the swithces" is better. I can always use fake latches just for looks.


F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #797, 03-12-2007 11:47 AM
     


Now that's thinking outside the box! I can't wait to see how it gets finished off. Wow. Wow. Wow...



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #798, 03-12-2007 03:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:

Now that's thinking outside the box! I can't wait to see how it gets finished off. Wow. Wow. Wow...




Thank you. My intentions were never to use the hood scoop "as-is" but to utilize certain "key" parts. What appears isn't really my intended goal for the Karl Molden hood. There's several steps left. The side fender was the first step, followed by the altered nose openings ans such. In other words, the scoop is nothing more than a "head fake."


88White3.4GT MSG #799, 03-12-2007 04:55 PM
     



looks good, i thought you were going to cut down a little more towards the front of the hood. I like how it comes to points at the window, looks aggresive.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #800, 03-12-2007 07:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

looks good, i thought you were going to cut down a little more towards the front of the hood. I like how it comes to points at the window, looks aggresive.


Remember, the center wiper blade will need clearance. The area new the windsheild will meet-up with the end-towers.
Do you remember that 70k kit kar? Well, that's part of the clue, hehe.




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Doc John MSG #801, 03-17-2007 02:25 PM
      Bump for updates.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #802, 03-17-2007 03:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doc John:

Bump for updates.


#020 is on the, "slow-cook-back- burner" due to D7. I did ship out the C6 rear side-marker lamps for the rear clip and the VDC kit from Jerry in FL should arrive on Monday. I doubt the "Crew" will have any updated info.






doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #803, 03-18-2007 11:22 AM
      Looks interesting.. so is that the final shape?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #804, 03-18-2007 11:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Looks interesting.. so is that the final shape?


Nope. According to my drawing, I count at least three to four more additions. I hope to make the front end "pop" or at least match the rear. So far, I think the lower nose and fog opening are on track?

I've never been a fan of the (pardon the pun) fan assembly in plan view. It looked, unfinished and diffenitly un-tweaked. The downside is: It's a one-off piece. It would have been nice if the C6 flipper was made like this from the begining. I'll pray every time I take #020 out for a spin.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #805, 03-18-2007 12:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Looks interesting.. so is that the final shape?



Although the C6 flipper has "evolved" from it's original concept over the past year, the cut-out upper scoop-tips and central wiper blade are a "bonus" blessing that wasn't noticed in the begining. Several people here have aided in tweaking the crap out of this mod. This isn't a "one-man-show" it's a group project. Positive and negetive construction is always welcome.

Thank you.

madcurl

Projected style (thus so far, hehe).





DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #806, 03-18-2007 05:20 PM
      I see where you're going to hide 'da crawww'. A scoop within a scoop with the single wiper motor under the bit-o-cardboard!

Looks real interesting!

Dave


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #807, 03-20-2007 04:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doc John:

Bump for updates.


The GT40 part has landed. Let the tweaking begin, hehe.






Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #808, 03-21-2007 02:47 PM
      Curley, the Vertical door kits are in....







They look good so far, but we won't have time to install them until next Wednesday.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #809, 03-21-2007 02:50 PM
      Thanks Archie for posting the pics. I can see from the pics, these VDC are better than my previous sets. It seems Jerry is on his J-O-B.

Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #810, 03-29-2007 08:20 PM
      havent been on the forum in a while but i just got back on today to check the progress on the car and i have come to a conclusion that probebly everyone else here has probebly made....curley is crazy theres no other word for it...and its great i'm lovin the build and i plan to keep a close watch on it

-Kaleb

p.s.-sorry for goin a little off topic here archie but how long does it take from the time someone sends their fiero to you for a chop top to the time you complete it i've been thinking about getting one but i wanted to know the time span first, thanks


SAFASTRO MSG #811, 03-30-2007 10:39 AM
      Hey Archie, or Curly.....any updates on the GT40 air vents? And are you going to remove the existing vent that you created beside the rear glass, or is the picture a little deceiving?? The GT40 vent looks pretty long.
I can hardly wait!!!


fieropimp (tmoney8806@aol.com) MSG #812, 03-30-2007 12:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley, the Vertical door kits are in....







They look good so far, but we won't have time to install them until next Wednesday.

Archie

how much are those and where did you get them?



Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #813, 03-30-2007 02:26 PM
      well archie i cant figure out how your going to make that vent work unless the picture jus makes the vent look bigger than it is...buuut im sure you'll find some way...and if you would like to tell us what that way would be it would be appreciated

-Kaleb


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #814, 03-31-2007 10:49 PM
      Updates!!!!

Songman MSG #815, 04-01-2007 02:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kaleb:

well archie i cant figure out how your going to make that vent work unless the picture jus makes the vent look bigger than it is...buuut im sure you'll find some way...and if you would like to tell us what that way would be it would be appreciated

-Kaleb


Looks to me like there is going to be one of those on each side of the rear window to vent engine heat.


Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #816, 04-01-2007 09:25 PM
      yeah but unless that pictures jus at a wierd angle tht would mean taking out those scoops they made with the spray bottle to make that other vent fit but i've been lookin at the picture and curly's drawing and im thinkin that the pictures just decieving and the vent isnt as big as it looks

-Kaleb


Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #817, 04-04-2007 07:29 PM
      b-bump!

updates updates updates!


DrCPU (dhuwmarion@gmail.com) MSG #818, 04-05-2007 10:10 AM
      Hey Archie! It's past next Wednesday! Pics of the install!!

Pretty please??

Dave


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #819, 04-05-2007 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DrCPU:

Hey Archie! It's past next Wednesday! Pics of the install!!

Pretty please??

Dave


AS of right now, the hinges are not a direct bolt on. Curley & the FL connection are trying to sort out what "Bolt-on" means.

Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #820, 04-12-2007 01:20 PM
     


Has worked resumed on the bodywork for #20 ?


Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #821, 04-19-2007 10:56 PM
      i'm with exoticse...any new work done???

-Kaleb


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #822, 04-20-2007 12:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kaleb:

i'm with exoticse...any new work done???

-Kaleb


Yes. But the coverage is on the, "Anyone Really Interested in a Widebody" thread. From this point onward, "The Crew" is working of the remaining widebody mods. The rear bumber is about finished,...mocked-up and being prep'd for glassing. The only items that's different is the hood scoop. They should have it finished prior to the Dells (I hope?). Keep in mind, they're finishing up the other guys LS2 and Troy's car, so the shop is really, really super busy.

Thanks for your enquiries.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #823, 04-25-2007 08:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Yes. But the coverage is on the, "Anyone Really Interested in a Widebody" thread. From this point onward, "The Crew" is working of the remaining widebody mods. The rear bumber is about finished,...mocked-up and being prep'd for glassing. The only items that's different is the hood scoop. They should have it finished prior to the Dells (I hope?). Keep in mind, they're finishing up the other guys LS2 and Troy's car, so the shop is really, really super busy.

Thanks for your enquiries.


Like he says, the Widebody thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/064001.html is dealing with making the molds off of the rear of this car. Then we'll be back to the rest of this thread.

The other thread is seperate because it's dealing with the actual making of the molds off of part of Curl's car.

Here's a sample of what you'll see in the other thread.



Archie


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #824, 04-25-2007 02:31 PM
      Madcurl.. any update on the VDC hinges?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #825, 04-25-2007 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

Madcurl.. any update on the VDC hinges?




The Fiero VDC's are in transit and should arrive this Friday.


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #826, 04-25-2007 07:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
The Fiero VDC's are in transit and should arrive this Friday.


Cool. Do you know how much they are going to run?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #827, 04-25-2007 07:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:


Cool. Do you know how much they are going to run?


Jerry told me $1900 but, as you know.....you can always talk him down if two or more guys jump onboard. I purchased two----more room to make a deal. The kit listing is about $1499 and DECAH listing is $1299 however, the two dudes in Canada may have a cheaper kit? I do like the VDI kit over the DECAH with grease fittings and the strut housing is opposite of DECAH's which prevents water from entering the strut.

IMO I'd wait it out and then see what's, what. They still need to make the needed adjustments and to send it to Archie. My previous Fiero VDC are still functioning and it's nearing 4 yrs and I'm pretty much, "done" with the VDC since all but one Fiero is with-out the kit. Don't get me wrong, I still like them but, just like rims...I consider them standard equipment for a choptop. A reverse VDC would spark my interest. Darn it, I just realised I get very borred..easily.

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chopfren-z MSG #828, 04-27-2007 04:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Jerry told me $1900 but, as you know.....you can always talk him down if two or more guys jump onboard. I purchased two----more room to make a deal. The kit listing is about $1499 and DECAH listing is $1299 however, the two dudes in Canada may have a cheaper kit? I do like the VDI kit over the DECAH with grease fittings and the strut housing is opposite of DECAH's which prevents water from entering the strut.

IMO I'd wait it out and then see what's, what. They still need to make the needed adjustments and to send it to Archie. My previous Fiero VDC are still functioning and it's nearing 4 yrs and I'm pretty much, "done" with the VDC since all but one Fiero is with-out the kit. Don't get me wrong, I still like them but, just like rims...I consider them standard equipment for a choptop. A reverse VDC would spark my interest. Darn it, I just realised I get very borred..easily.



Autoloc done a suicide lambo door set up, third down on the left of movie clips.
http://www.thehoffmangroup....t/Products_UDS.lasso

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #829, 04-27-2007 01:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by chopfren-z:


Autoloc done a suicide lambo door set up, third down on the left of movie clips.
http://www.thehoffmangroup....t/Products_UDS.lasso




Yep. They also are the ones comming out the $4500 dollar door system. That's some high-ended items. Too much for me.

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jscott1 MSG #830, 04-27-2007 01:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

A reverse VDC would spark my interest. Darn it, I just realised I get very borred..easily.



"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK

Maybe Reverse VDCs were among the "other things"


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #831, 04-27-2007 02:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." - JFK

Maybe Reverse VDCs were among the "other things"


Yeah, we'll need somebody with "skills" to pull this one off. That person should already know how-to build a reinforced suicide doors on a Fiero and the crew to perform it. I wonder who that would be?

So one would include the cost of a normal Fiero suicide conversion ($$$$) + $4500 for the kit+ = maga buck-a-roos!



Fierotaz (hotrodding@cox.net) MSG #832, 04-27-2007 02:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by chopfren-z:


Autoloc done a suicide lambo door set up, third down on the left of movie clips.
http://www.thehoffmangroup....t/Products_UDS.lasso



I watched that clip and that looks like a half A$$ed lambo door. it only goes up about half way and stops


cwatson (cwatso22@jhmi.edu) MSG #833, 04-27-2007 04:32 PM
      Has anyone calculated the lift caused by the butress setup as opposed to the closed back?

I think it looks amazing and will defininently be a rival for madcurl's car but -
This isnt just this fiero, but most of them: it looks like theres a big v8 under the hood. This is especcially true when people are adding the cowls on the hood (and trying to say it improves airflow; a larger radiator intake and inverted louvers on the hood would do much better...there's a reason racing cars use this setup). The main part of the illusion, however, is that the line where the door and windows meet gets broken with the front fender. Is the chassis in the way or could this line be made more fluid with some FB work?

It looks amazing, but its so much more a muscule car look than a mid engine lightweight exotic.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #834, 04-27-2007 07:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cwatson:

Has anyone calculated the lift caused by the butress setup as opposed to the closed back?

I think it looks amazing and will defininently be a rival for madcurl's car but -
This isnt just this fiero, but most of them: it looks like theres a big v8 under the hood. This is especcially true when people are adding the cowls on the hood (and trying to say it improves airflow; a larger radiator intake and inverted louvers on the hood would do much better...there's a reason racing cars use this setup). The main part of the illusion, however, is that the line where the door and windows meet gets broken with the front fender. Is the chassis in the way or could this line be made more fluid with some FB work?

It looks amazing, but its so much more a muscule car look than a mid engine lightweight exotic.


Thanks for the compliments...it's been a [group] effort build-up. #020 sports a normal Northstar V8...CA emissions complience crap! However, it's all good because anything is better than the stock 2.8 I previously had, hehe.

As for the "Air flow" rates....no such testing. The project was based upon "pipe dream" rendering and loosly following ideas from various cars. However, as you perhaps have noticed in prior pages, I'm going with the GT40 style openings for additional "air-flow." Archie, the Crew, and I have a few more tricks up our sleeves to which I hope will incorporate both the Meguier's bottle and a modified GT40 elongated vent. The end result (I hope?) will be similar the the Audi's R8 rear deck vents.

As for the "Cowl" hood. As you've guessed it, more for looks since I'm not racing however it is functional. The "Cowl or hood scoop" serves it purpose by hidding the large opening and gives the hood, "Depth" and creates a flare next to the front window which will aid in hidding the "Crab arm" single wiper blade.

You lost-me on the part about, "is that the line where the door and windows meet gets broken with the front fender. Is the chassis in the way or could this line be made more fluid with some FB work?" I guess your referring to the area where it separates? That part isn't finished.

The over-all look of the car is (IMO) Americanish and not Italian exotic.

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jscott1 MSG #835, 04-27-2007 09:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierotaz:


I watched that clip and that looks like a half A$$ed lambo door. it only goes up about half way and stops


I think you are being a bit harsh. If you think about how these things work, the only reason a normal lambo door is possible is because the front fender has a lot of room under there for all the mechanism and the front of the car angles down making room for the door to swing up. There are serious clearance issues with a suicide lambo. Even more so if you have a wide body. Retrofitting a suicide lambo onto a car not originally designed for it is going to result in a door that swings up by that amount.

By the way I looked at a Solstice today I don't think we will ever see a Lambo door on that car, there is no room at all for the hinge mechanism.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #836, 04-27-2007 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

By the way I looked at a Solstice today I don't think we will ever see a Lambo door on that car, there is no room at all for the hinge mechanism.


You better stay away from the Solstice forum then.

Yeah, they're doing them on the Solsti already.



Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #837, 04-27-2007 10:10 PM
      While working on the mold for the rear bumper, we hung the Widebody rocker panels on the car today to see how they looked.







They match up pretty well.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #838, 04-27-2007 10:12 PM
      Not bad, not bad at all. It looks like it's going to be a very nice [white] X-mas on my way back to Cali.

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jscott1 MSG #839, 04-27-2007 10:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


You better stay away from the Solstice forum then.

Yeah, they're doing them on the Solsti already.

Archie


Wow, I am impressed. There is no room whatsoever under that fender. If a Solstice can have vertical doors then it should be a piece of cake on a Fiero.


jscott1 MSG #840, 04-27-2007 10:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


That looks sweet!! If I didn't think it would add 2 more years on the completion of my car I would go widebody.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #841, 04-27-2007 11:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


That looks sweet!! If I didn't think it would add 2 more years on the completion of my car I would go widebody.




Jscott, i don't know how in the world you can look at that and not just give in to the dark (er,..make that the wide) side ! That is just totally awesome.

OMG !

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jscott1 MSG #842, 04-28-2007 03:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Jscott, i don't know how in the world you can look at that and not just give in to the dark (er,..make that the wide) side ! That is just totally awesome.

OMG !



It's simple... Just ask Curley about #11. It's done, no point in adding any more to it. Same with #14, Once it's painted then I'm done as far as body work.


Sharkman MSG #843, 04-28-2007 11:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:





I would love that on my car. But I think the shipping would be to $ for me.



jscott1 MSG #844, 04-28-2007 12:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:


I would love that on my car. But I think the shipping would be to $ for me.

Those things are not cheap to ship in the US, International might not be that much more. I would call Archie for a quote, you might be pleasantly surprised.


pheonix97031 (culpeppm@onid.orst.edu) MSG #845, 05-04-2007 04:01 PM
      I have a question for you all....

How do you adhere fiberglass to the bodypanels of our cars? Obviously, you scuff up the plastic you want to adhere to, But do you use plain ol polyester resin?

Mike


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #846, 05-04-2007 04:52 PM
      Does it look even more tempting with the new rear bumper on it?



Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #847, 05-04-2007 05:11 PM
      The good news is that Curley had heard so many positive things about the Dells Show that he's going to fly in for that show. Although, his car will not be completed, we will be bringing it as a work in process to the Dells Run in a few weeks.

Archie


SAFASTRO MSG #848, 05-04-2007 05:16 PM
      Does that mean it will be primed one color??
I'd love to see that!



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #849, 05-04-2007 05:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by SAFASTRO:

Does that mean it will be primed one color??
I'd love to see that!



haha yes, it will be all one color.

The interior will not be finished because Curley has someone else that's going to do the interior. He also has someone else doing the bigger brakes & suspension. But the exterior of the car will be presentable. Curley plans to have some more tweeking to the exterior of the car after the Dells show & before he picks it up in September at the Chop Top Reunion.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #850, 05-04-2007 08:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


haha yes, it will be all one color.

The interior will not be finished because Curley has someone else that's going to do the interior. He also has someone else doing the bigger brakes & suspension. But the exterior of the car will be presentable. Curley plans to have some more tweeking to the exterior of the car after the Dells show & before he picks it up in September at the Chop Top Reunion.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Anyone who's been reading PFF for the last 6 weeks or so knows that the Perfect Union was the most photographed car at the Daytona Show.

Troy has decided to delay his picking up of his car at our place until the Dells Show is over. Which leads me to announce here that Troy & his wife will be driving in to attend the Dells Show & we will be showing The Perfect Union at that show too.

Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #851, 05-15-2007 12:26 PM
      A little bump while we work on the body to get it ready for the Dell's Show.









SAFASTRO MSG #852, 05-15-2007 02:29 PM
      WOW....Making the bodywork all one color sure brings out the flow of the body lines a lot more.
Looking GREAT!!!!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #853, 05-15-2007 07:17 PM
      EXCELLENT Job,... Archie and the Crew.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #854, 05-17-2007 03:52 AM
     
The widebody package is looking great ! Just one question though,..why not just do the whole door panel as opposed to just the upper aussie door portion, which would cut down tremendously on the work that needs to be done ? Or was that the plan anyway ?

If it cost a little more, so what !?!

Folks would end up spending that anyway having them glassed to the doors.


Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #855, 05-17-2007 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


The widebody package is looking great ! Just one question though,..why not just do the whole door panel as opposed to just the upper aussie door portion, which would cut down tremendously on the work that needs to be done ? Or was that the plan anyway ?

If it cost a little more, so what !?!

Folks would end up spending that anyway having them glassed to the doors.


personally i'd rather mold the doors so i wouldnt have to worry with aligning the doors i could just slap the door cap on, mold it and go even though the process may take longer as far as fiberglass/bondo work goes i think it would be pretty close to the same amount of time spent and its cheaper and you dont have to worry about your door rubbing or it having an uneven gap thats jus my opinion though

p.s.-archie, seeing these molds on curlys car is forcing me to think of how i can save some money

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Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #856, 05-17-2007 06:47 PM
      Where/when is the Dells show???

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #857, 05-18-2007 12:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kaleb:


personally i'd rather mold the doors so i wouldnt have to worry with aligning the doors i could just slap the door cap on, mold it and go even though the process may take longer as far as fiberglass/bondo work goes i think it would be pretty close to the same amount of time spent and its cheaper and you dont have to worry about your door rubbing or it having an uneven gap thats jus my opinion though

p.s.-archie, seeing these molds on curlys car is forcing me to think of how i can save some money



Hmmm don't understand about a possible gap or rubbing. I would think if he molded the door off the original it would be a perfect replacement no problem.

Keep in mind it would also save you the extra step and trouble of eliminating the side molding on the door skins. I just think making the kit as labor free as possible will make it even more attractive than it already is.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #858, 05-18-2007 03:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kaleb:

Where/when is the Dells show???



http://www.fierofanatics.co...view&id=29&Itemid=56



Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #859, 05-18-2007 04:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Hmmm don't understand about a possible gap or rubbing. I would think if he molded the door off the original it would be a perfect replacement no problem.

Keep in mind it would also save you the extra step and trouble of eliminating the side molding on the door skins. I just think making the kit as labor free as possible will make it even more attractive than it already is.




hmm i get what your saying...i guess it would be a great deal easier if you could just replace the whole door panel...either way i still want one=D

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #860, 05-21-2007 08:35 PM
     


Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #861, 05-21-2007 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:



................ ........just when i thought the car couldnt get better..it did ..great job..now make it work with the front end


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #862, 05-27-2007 12:38 PM
      The "Madness" continues.......




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #863, 05-27-2007 02:41 PM
      Getting "Pinned" in:




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #864, 05-27-2007 02:54 PM
      This picture was taken early yesterday. We worked all day yesterday with 3 people working all day on this car, it is a lot farther along than this picture.

Remember, you'll be able to see this car & meet Curley next weekend at the Dell's Show.



Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #865, 05-27-2007 03:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Remember, you'll be able to see this car & meet Curley next weekend at the Dell's Show.

Archie



I hope you saved me a X-Large T-shirt...





8Ball (viriiguy@gmail.com) MSG #866, 05-27-2007 07:09 PM
      Ohhhh Purty!

How much are those shirts?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #867, 05-27-2007 10:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 8Ball:

Ohhhh Purty!

How much are those shirts?






madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #868, 05-29-2007 01:21 PM
      The Art of Tweaking: 101

If you've been following this thread, you've noticed that the C6 flipper needed continued tweaking in various areas. One of those areas involved the wheel well. After discussing the various options, Archie and the Crew decided to use one of the in-house parts. But before this modification was performed, "The Crew" needed to make the IRM wide-body mold first before appling it to #020 wheel wheel becuse, I'm the only person (so far) whose using a modified C6 flipper.

You'll notice that the area is being fitted to match the already modified C6 front wheel lip. As was discussed earlier, this was to correct the defects and for a more aggressive stance.








Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #869, 05-29-2007 04:45 PM
      This is how that area looks now Curley......



This may be the last naked picture of this car.



Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #870, 05-29-2007 05:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

This may be the last naked picture of this car.

Archie



hehehe.

Looking good Archie. Nice blow dryer ya got there. After 18 months, that's alot of fiberglass dust...where's his mask, hehe. In two days, I'll be flyn' in.

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GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #871, 05-29-2007 05:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
I hope you saved me a X-Large T-shirt...




I guess Archie is going to put curley's car on the frt of his tee shirts. There's no room on the back.LOL

Joe


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #872, 05-30-2007 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

This may be the last naked picture of this car.

Archie


Any more "Naked Pics"
before I take-off?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #873, 05-30-2007 01:17 PM
      A few in process pics.

We still have a lot of assembly yet to do.





This car will be on display at The Dell's Show this weekend.

Please note that this car is not done yet. We will not be done with our share of this car until September of this year.

Cuirley has decided to display the car at the Dell's Show because he had heard what a great show the Dell's is and wanted to have an excuse to come to the Dells himself to see the show.

Please don't be too critical of it because it still has small brakes on it. It has not been lowered yet. It won't have a complete interior. The side windows are masters that have been fitted into 6 different chop tops to date. The quarter windows are cut down stock windows that are the patterns for the windows that will be fitted into this car when it's one.

I'm sure people will find a bunch of other stuff to critique but rest assured that it will be completed to the level of finish that the customer wants when it is show at the Chop Top Reunion in September.

I'd like to thank Mark S. (Fierfox) for coming by last night to lay down a coat of primer so the car will be all one color for the 1st time.

Thanks

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #874, 05-30-2007 01:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 8Ball:

Ohhhh Purty!

How much are those shirts?


Thay're $15.00 each plus shipping.

For customers of mine they are no charge plus shipping.

I'll have a lot of them at the Dells show this weekend.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #875, 05-30-2007 01:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I'd like to thank Mark S. (Fierfox) for coming by last night to lay down a coat of primer so the car will be all one color for the 1st time.

Thanks

Archie



Heir ye, heir ye, I’d like to make a toast to Mark.

Thanks Mark. They'll be two gray primer choptops at the Dells.

Curley

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #876, 05-30-2007 06:42 PM
      We're remonting the driving lights right now.

You'll recall that earlier we relocated the C6 driving lights because the lights beams were cross-eyed about 20' out in front of the car. Previously the lights were mounted to some "L" shaped brackets that were glassed into the inside of the front clip. screws passed thru the brackets then into the light housing it'self right where the lenz met the housing with some sheet metal screws. All the original C6 mounting tabs on the light housings were ground off.







We were afraid that mounting the lights that way would fail at some point, so we used some 6mm Long Fold Clips & made a framework to attach to the light housing so we could then attach it solidly to the inside of the front clip.







.............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #877, 05-30-2007 06:48 PM
      Right now, the front clip is off the car for the light mounting so this is what it looks like right now.







Since my last report, the rear window has been fitted, the qtr. windows have been fitted & are about to be mounted, door windows are completed, front side marker lights are in, all the rubber trim around the door/windows is done.

Curley, that's about it, you'll have to wait 'til you get here tomorrow night to see how it looks all put together.

Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #878, 05-30-2007 06:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We're remonting the driving lights right now.

All the original C6 mounting tabs on the light housings were ground off.



.............



NORM!!!

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Since my last report, the rear window has been fitted, the qtr. windows have been fitted & are about to be mounted, door windows are completed, front side marker lights are in, all the rubber trim around the door/windows is done.

Curley, that's about it, you'll have to wait 'til you get here tomorrow night to see how it looks all put together.

Archie




Thats cool.

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GKDINC MSG #879, 05-30-2007 07:17 PM
      It's missing a tail pipe. Please don't tell me it's a 4 banger!!!
Looks sweet though
Good Luck
Gary


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #880, 05-30-2007 07:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

It's missing a tail pipe. Please don't tell me it's a 4 banger!!!
Looks sweet though
Good Luck
Gary


It's a four banger x 2....hehe.

I lost the tail pipe in route to Archie's somewhere on the Hwy.

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Fierotaz (hotrodding@cox.net) MSG #881, 05-30-2007 10:00 PM
      That car is looking GREAT! I can't wait to see it in person tomorrow night.

Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #882, 05-30-2007 10:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


It's a four banger x 2....hehe.

I lost the tail pipe in route to Archie's somewhere on the Hwy.


HAHA gotta love fieros


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #883, 05-31-2007 03:02 AM
      Darn Southwest! I nearly forgot to printout my boarding pass, hehe.
I'm coming Elizabeth..


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #884, 05-31-2007 04:51 PM
      Right about now Curley is on a plane heading for Chicago 7 he should be arriving at my shop about 9:30pm tonight.

So I thought I'd post a few pictures of what he'll see in about 6 hours when he gets here.











Don't tell Curley that I showed the car to you before he actually saw it.

Archie


Duke_On_Fire (tyguyski@gmail.com) MSG #885, 05-31-2007 05:14 PM
      holy crap does that look amazing =D

fieromadman (j_depies@hotmail.com) MSG #886, 05-31-2007 05:19 PM
      Gee... Right in time for the dells

Scurvy (nolimit092@aol.com) MSG #887, 05-31-2007 05:20 PM
      Holy Snikes!!!

carnut122 MSG #888, 05-31-2007 05:46 PM
      That looks great! How does the engine compartment vent the heat? Any chance of a picture showing down through the back window?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #889, 05-31-2007 06:38 PM
     

Wow the car looks great, and it is not even finished yet !

Curly still has some very, very cool mods in store. Great job Archie and crew.

Could somebody possibly photoshop the car lowered ?

It is going to look mean !


GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #890, 05-31-2007 10:20 PM
      Just being one color gives the car a totally different look. Archie you have very talented employee's . Great job guy's.

Kaleb (kzeringue@troy.edu) MSG #891, 05-31-2007 10:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


Archie how hard is it to fit the gas cap?..i had a finale and fitting the gas cap was no easy task-took me 6 hours- and even then i had trouble getting it to pop open and shut correctly..is there a trick to it



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #892, 05-31-2007 10:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GODFATHER:

Just being one color gives the car a totally different look. Archie you have very talented employee's . Great job guy's.


Rob, Kris & Mark, I'm sure, will thank you for your kind words.

I gotta say, that as much as I like to give Curley a hard time for some of the ideas he comes up with, he does have a "vision" of what he wants that is quite extraordinary. (Don't tell him I said that)

And my crew can make just about any "vision" into reality.

Archie


88White3.4GT MSG #893, 06-01-2007 04:44 AM
      are there plans to replace the mirrors? How about the visibility out the back window, what's that like?

Sharkman MSG #894, 06-01-2007 06:52 AM
      More pics of the rear and with the decklid opened.

Nice work, love it.


ignorant prodigy (ignorantprodigy@aol.com) MSG #895, 06-01-2007 05:21 PM
      oh my

jscott1 MSG #896, 06-02-2007 02:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Could somebody possibly photoshop the car lowered ?


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FierociousGT MSG #897, 06-02-2007 03:37 AM
      Is the car sitting higher due to the 10" coil overs?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #898, 06-02-2007 11:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FierociousGT:

Is the car sitting higher due to the 10" coil overs?


Yes the car does have coilovers, Archie and crew just have not had time to lower it yet.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #899, 06-03-2007 07:03 PM
      I arrived at Midway around 21:30 hrs and I got camera pic. It took Leroy and I nearly 90 minutes to Archie's shop and I nearly pissed my pants. Leroy was liking his new chopper.

toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #900, 06-04-2007 01:04 AM
     
I was taking a break, saw the primered pics, and decided to play...



drummer5 (drummer5@twcny.rr.com) MSG #901, 06-04-2007 01:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:


I was taking a break, saw the primered pics, and decided to play...


I need a towel...


1984fiero MSG #902, 06-04-2007 03:21 AM
      i think by far this will be the nicest fiero i ever seen

chopfren-z MSG #903, 06-04-2007 09:12 AM
      Man, That car is looking good .Good work !

Gokart Mozart MSG #904, 06-04-2007 09:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:






Are these going on the hood?


Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #905, 06-04-2007 10:31 PM
      That car really turned out incredible. I am really looking forward to seeing how it turns out. What color is planned?



toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #906, 06-05-2007 12:11 AM
     
Lambo green...


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #907, 06-06-2007 05:33 PM
      A little update finally......

Here are a few pictures taken before the Dells Show......











You'll remember that I had said that the car wasn't lowered yet etc. etc. etc.

It was just at the Dells show as a display only car, but from the reactions to the car, I'll bet it would have gathered a few votes had it actually been entered in the show.

Anyone who has any more pics of it at the Dells show please feel free to post them.

Archie


jscott1 MSG #908, 06-07-2007 01:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A little update finally......

Archie


Where is the "Claw"? I'm anxious to see how it's mounted.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #909, 06-07-2007 01:38 AM
      Continued tweaking:







Desired ideal:



Desired pipe dream:

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GODFATHER (sandroauto@sc.rr.com) MSG #910, 06-07-2007 09:57 AM
      The mad (curl) scientist never stops thinking . Curley how do you get any sleep ?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #911, 06-07-2007 03:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GODFATHER:

The mad (curl) scientist never stops thinking . Curley how do you get any sleep ?


Hehehe he must be an insomniac !!

Wait till you see what happens with the rear end !

I have no idea where he gets all these great ideas ! He has enough cool ideas that he could probably trick out 50 fieros and still have a couple dozen ideas left over.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #912, 06-09-2007 12:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GODFATHER:

The mad (curl) scientist never stops thinking . Curley how do you get any sleep ?



I didn't get a good night rest during the Dells show. I tossed and turned for most of the night thinking of ways to tweak the front and rears. My eyes were blood shot red from all of the smoke and had a slight headache too.






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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #913, 06-09-2007 01:47 PM
      Inside pics:




Clear view from the 350Z window (notice the VDC kit box)



 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:

That looks great! How does the engine compartment vent the heat? Any chance of a picture showing down through the back window?



Side views will come in handy during parking (I hate blind sides).

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #914, 06-09-2007 02:04 PM
      Insides continued:







madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #915, 06-09-2007 02:08 PM
      Ramping: on our way to the Dells 2007 show.






At the Dells 2007:



The C6 Corvette fog lamps and vented (funtional).


Rear lines: Notice the Enhancements line under the sail window by Archie and the Crew. These guys will pick-up where your pipe dreams end. Pretty good IMO while you're 1900 miles away. It's good to know they work on auto pilot, hehe.



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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #916, 06-09-2007 08:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


Are these going on the hood?



Nope. I'm not doubting the GT40 vents would look good running along side the 350Z glass but, I'm going with the Enzo style. The GT40 has found it's location headed south on the car.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #917, 06-09-2007 09:02 PM
      Old side view mirror: To be replaced with 360 Modena's (I hope).

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Joe Torma (animatedjoe75@yahoo.com) MSG #918, 06-09-2007 10:04 PM
      Nice work Archie & crew!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #919, 06-10-2007 03:58 PM
      Does anybody know where I can purchase a set of new side view mirrors similar to the Ferrari modena 360?

Example:






25+ yr old side mirrors gotta go!


Thanks.

madcurl




kinglikeprince (kinglikeprince@yahoo.com) MSG #920, 06-10-2007 07:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Does anybody know where I can purchase a set of new side view mirrors similar to the Ferrari modena 360?



Madcurl, you could ask DNA in this thread: http://www.kitcarsforum.com...8dcq47&topic=7124.30

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #921, 06-10-2007 07:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kinglikeprince:


Madcurl, you could ask DNA in this thread: http://www.kitcarsforum.com...8dcq47&topic=7124.30





Thank you Sir. I wonder if he's willing to sell just side mirrors...hmm?

http://dnaautomotive.com/home.html

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #922, 06-12-2007 01:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:


I was taking a break, saw the primered pics, and decided to play...


Thanks. Drop Dead Gorgeous Red......yummy

Yummy too
http://www.nsxprime.com/for...owthread.php?t=60872

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #923, 06-12-2007 01:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kinglikeprince:


Madcurl, you could ask DNA in this thread: http://www.kitcarsforum.com...8dcq47&topic=7124.30




I got a email today from the company:

"Sorry we have made a decsion not to sell any parts on their own but you could always try supercar breakers or ebaymany thanks DNA."

I'm back to my original idea. I'll use those instead.




Gokart Mozart MSG #924, 06-12-2007 03:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Does anybody know where I can purchase a set of new side view mirrors similar to the Ferrari modena 360?


http://www.eurospares.co.uk...SB=3&SO=1&SM=1&SMo=5


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #925, 06-12-2007 03:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


http://www.eurospares.co.uk...SB=3&SO=1&SM=1&SMo=5


Oh, oh...maybe there's hope?

Thanks.



Gokart Mozart MSG #926, 06-12-2007 03:43 PM
      I'm on a roll, see if these will work

http://www.myprojectcars.co...9b080ac2fb630e97b586

http://www.specializeditali...rrari-parts/360.html

http://www.continentalautos...m/content/parts.aspx

http://www.lascuderiarossa....ferrari360parts.html


kinglikeprince (kinglikeprince@yahoo.com) MSG #927, 06-12-2007 04:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


I got a email today from the company:

"Sorry we have made a decsion not to sell any parts on their own but you could always try supercar breakers or ebaymany thanks DNA."

I'm back to my original idea. I'll use those instead.



Here is another link:
http://www.kitcarsforum.com...92.msg85810#msg85810


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #928, 06-12-2007 06:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
...Thanks. Drop Dead Gorgeous Red......yummy...


Glad you like it By the way, I PM'd you a while back; did you get it?



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #929, 06-12-2007 06:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:


Glad you like it By the way, I PM'd you a while back; did you get it?



Yep, and I have few items too. It'll have to wait until I get my car from the shop.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #930, 06-12-2007 07:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

I'm on a roll, see if these will work
http://www.specializeditali...rrari-parts/360.html



I checked them all and this one seems to be the cheapest and they have mirrors too.

Thanks Gokart and the guys.

 
quote
Originally posted by 88White3.4GT:

are there plans to replace the mirrors? How about the visibility out the back window, what's that like?



Edit: Passenger's side Modena 360 mirror arrived but...in very, very poor condition. I called the salvage yard and they're sending out the correct one this week. I ordered a blue mirror and they sent out a yellow one which was "buggered-up".... badly.


Back viewing? A little less due to the bilateral metal bars.

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toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #931, 06-12-2007 08:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
Yep, and I have few items too. It'll have to wait until I get my car from the shop.


Cool. I'll be here... If you haven't already, check out some of the parts I have been making for my car. There's much more to come; if there were only more hours in a day...



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #932, 06-13-2007 12:30 PM
      I paid a visit to this shop in Huntington Beach several weeks ago.




We measured several MOMO seats and only this one I liked.



However, after sitting in a Fiero at the Dells show, I think I'll pass on the seats and will go with Mr. Mike's but using a custom pattern.


Doc John MSG #933, 06-14-2007 07:28 PM
      Any hints for us on the final version of the hood scoop/wiper setup?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #934, 06-14-2007 07:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doc John:

Any hints for us on the final version of the hood scoop/wiper setup?


Cerrrrtainly, nyuk, nyuk!


Duel (stock) wipers but with a twist on the hood. I've got some ideas but, I'm too hyped now! New parts to arrive by next Tuesday for fitment.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #935, 06-15-2007 12:25 PM
      Hehe:



VDI: close-up and personal.

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toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #936, 06-16-2007 02:40 PM
      I couldn't find a good pic of an orange Lambo, so I did it mostly from memory. If it needs to be tinted one way or the other let me know... I think I have a good pic on my other system, but didn't have time to look for it right now.

NOTE : I have the pearl effect working pretty decent in that one. Try moving your head around a watching the change. It's also hard to compensate for the different brightnesses everyones' monitors.





Edit = I wanted to see the three together...


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #937, 06-16-2007 06:02 PM
      Looks as good as always ole mate .



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #938, 06-17-2007 12:59 PM
      Thanks Exoticse and Jscott for posting and sending pics and ToddshotRods for correcting the little red x-boxes.

 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Looks as good as always ole mate .




Thanks to, "Archie and the Crew" for improving on a pipe dream.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #939, 06-19-2007 04:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

That car really turned out incredible. I am really looking forward to seeing how it turns out. What color is planned?



A deep Burgandy "Pearl" similar to the Saleen 7's with some black accents along the bottom front nose and in the rear.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #940, 06-19-2007 10:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Curley will have to post exactly what size & offset it is but as it is right now, it fits this IMSA perfectly.



The fronts are a 39mm off-set with a 7" inner and 2" outer wrapped in P Rosso's 255/30/19



Michael Henderson's "Wide Reciever."

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #941, 06-20-2007 04:14 PM
     

A few leftover snapshots from the madman.

This images is larger than 102400 bytes. Click to view.





Are there any of the original doubters left ???

Hehehe and he is not done with it yet ! The next few mods are going to really make it pop !


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #942, 06-21-2007 08:06 PM
      I hope the next mods have to do with the taillights...

imo I think they ruin the "custom" look of the car. Just give it away as pontiac.


AutoTech (boosted2m6@yahoo.com) MSG #943, 06-21-2007 09:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Just give it away as pontiac.


I think thats the point...?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #944, 06-22-2007 02:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AutoTech:


I think thats the point...?


Exactly !

Right on the mark AutoTech !

He is not trying to hide the fact that it is a pontiac or a fiero. He wants people to know.


fieroman_5000 (slvdc1@gmail.com) MSG #945, 06-22-2007 11:01 AM
      this is such a great project...Looking forward to seeing the finished product! Is there any way to get some higher res shots of some of the later photos emailed? I'd like to show the wifey what can be done with a little motivation...and a lot of money

[edit] gmail accepts up to 20 mb in a attachments now!

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #946, 06-25-2007 12:49 AM
      Lookin real good. what's the ground clearance under the chassis? It looks to be stock, around 5 inches.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #947, 06-25-2007 03:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Lookin real good. what's the ground clearance under the chassis? It looks to be stock, around 5 inches.


Thanks for the compliement. The car is stock upfront and rears are coil-overs but are near to stock height. I ordered Rodney Dickmans 1" front ball joint drops. The end result will be 2-fingers upfront and 3-finger outback. No need to slam #020 due to the morbidly 305's at 26.1 diameter and 255's at 25.1 diameter compared to the stock diameters.


Gokart Mozart MSG #948, 06-25-2007 09:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:





It looks like that thick piece of metal could be a candidate for lightening holes.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #949, 06-26-2007 06:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


It looks like that thick piece of metal could be a candidate for lightening holes.



Yes. I could just like the Plasma's two lights that are mounted on both sides......nahhh. I'd rather keep it simple using a layer of fiberglass wrapped over the metal bars.




 
quote
Originally posted by j.forbiddendesigns:

Hi, i've been watching this thread for awhile now, the work is inspiring to say the least. I just have a question, i know it was asked before so i am probably just dumb but what type of winshield are you using? is it a eclispe or what model? thanks


1999 Eclipse. Not many even noticed at the Dells show that the front windshield was a different type...which is a good thing. The Eclipse window has a increased curviture and is longer in width which reduces or shortens the over lenght of the hood and draws your eyes up to the roof of the car. The same can be said of the 350Z glass.

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fieroman87 (fieroman87@juno.com) MSG #950, 06-27-2007 12:40 AM
      ummmmm Mad, as it was typed "lightening" and not lighting holes, i believe he ment for you to drill out some metal from that box tube to save weight. then i'd put lights in the holes....



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #951, 06-27-2007 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroman87:

ummmmm Mad, as it was typed "lightening" and not lighting holes, i believe he ment for you to drill out some metal from that box tube to save weight. then i'd put lights in the holes....




Sorry about that, I mis-read the comment, hehe. If I had "options"...carbon fiber would be the best for lightness but with the metal bars we do know that the deck lid will not flex. This design is new and it seemed better to be on the side of "over-kill" vs under-kill." Maybe when the next guy comes alone he/she can improve and perfect the design.


Gokart Mozart MSG #952, 06-27-2007 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fieroman87:

ummmmm Mad, as it was typed "lightening" and not lighting holes, i believe he ment for you to drill out some metal from that box tube to save weight. then i'd put lights in the holes....



Yea, what he said. dunno about the lights tho...

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cwatson (cwatso22@jhmi.edu) MSG #953, 06-27-2007 07:23 PM
      Does the body make the car heavier or lighter?

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #954, 06-27-2007 07:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cwatson:

Does the body make the car heavier or lighter?


Stock deck lid and vents vs 350Z glass/metal bars =Heavier.

Rear glass bumber vs, plastic bumber= ?

Stock door/with GT trimmings vs. Modified/Ausie/upper lip= heavier

Stock side front & rear/GT ground FX vs. IRM modified rockers =?

Stock rear clip vs. MadArchies = heavier

Stock hood/fenders/motor flip lamps vs. C6 Flipper = ?

Conclusion....it heavier but by how much. Granted, I could stand to loose 60Ibs around my waistline and I'd think it would then even out, hehe.

Edit: Later, I'll place one of the C6 headlamps on my scale for comparison vs. stock flip lights. Oh yeah, Silver Recycling is sending out a better and undamaged 360 Modena.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #955, 06-27-2007 10:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:


It looks like that thick piece of metal could be a candidate for lightening holes.


That thick pc. of metal is a pc. of 1" x 2" Retangular box tubing. It is located in exactly the same place as the rib (that contacts the front of the trunk seal) on the underside of a stock GT decklid.

The only reason you can see it in the picture is that the rest of the top surface of the GT decklid, from the rib forward has been removed on this setup. If you were looking out of the rear window on a stock GT Fiero. The top surface of the GT Decklid would be keeping you from seeing this rib. We are hinging the new engine cover at the roofline thus everything forward of the rib has been moved out of your line of sight.

The thick piece of metal is part of a heavy metal framework that has what's left of the old decklid, the rear window framework & the hinge supoporting mounts all welded together in one piece. The decdklid top, the underside of the back part of the decklid & the 350-Z rear window are all decorations attached to this metal framework. With that big 350-Z rear window we want absolutely NO flex in that whole decklid/hatch area.

Don't worry about how it looks now, it's not finished yet.

Archie



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #956, 06-30-2007 01:40 PM
      Update: The 360 has landed! This should modernize the Arch Rival's side appearance. I can't wait to see the "fitment" of them on the car. Thanks guys for helping me find a source.

Wrong model, but you get the idea, hehe.





Edit: Oh yeah, I don't know the over-all weight of the 360's vs. stock.

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Gokart Mozart MSG #957, 06-30-2007 05:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Going back to page 11 I see now. Sometimes only seeing it on the screen distorts the view.
Weight:
360 Modena 2976
350Z 3,339-3,600
Fiero 2590-2790

Ferrari 3.6L V8 400 bhp 275 ft-lbs EPA Fuel Economy: 10 / 16
Caddy 4.6L V-8 216 hp, 222 ft-lbs (Hot Rod Magazine Dyno Test)


MclarenF1 (poopoomagoo1@hotmail.com) MSG #958, 06-30-2007 06:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Update: The 360 has landed! This should modernize the Arch Rival's side appearance. I can't wait to see the "fitment" of them on the car. Thanks guys for helping me find a source.

Wrong model, but you get the idea, hehe.






Edit: Oh yeah, I don't know the over-all weight of the 360's vs. stock.



After looking at the picture I saw the E-brake and was like, "hmmm, that looks like a Fiero E-brake." I also noticed the shifter, seats, and then the dash lokked kinda strange. The links confirmed my suspicions. You could fool a lot of people with that car.

Edit: Because I put my reply in the quote.

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Songman MSG #959, 06-30-2007 06:44 PM
      It's always easy to spot a Fiero-based replica. Real Ferraris have flat floors. Anytime there is a raise in the center of the floor under the console, you know there is a Fiero gas tank in there.

Gokart Mozart MSG #960, 06-30-2007 08:51 PM
      http://www.rsportscars.com/...60modena00_inter.jpg

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #961, 06-30-2007 09:02 PM
      Ahh...the 360 is in reference to the side mirrors only, hehe.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #962, 07-08-2007 04:30 PM
      Drivers side 360 have been purchased. The 360 should be in on Tuesday.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #963, 07-12-2007 05:03 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by madcurl:

Drivers side 360 have been purchased. The 360 should be in on Tuesday.


The 360's have arrived !



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #964, 07-12-2007 05:41 PM
      Thanks Tony for posting the pic. I recieved my 360 Modena driver side mirror today. It's a little bit buggered-up but nothing my shop here in CA can't fix. Part of the armature and glass lip housing is burnt (just the paint). The glass is chip too but, the recycling company is sending another glass, so in the meantime....I'll have the shop fix it and primered the mirror. This shouldn't take too long maybe... 2 weeks at best?

The Recycling Company intially were going to send me a very, very bad burnt one but they decided to call me first ( I guess they're learning that I'm very picky?).

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #965, 07-13-2007 10:06 AM
      The Mirror I have here is in good shape.













Archie


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #966, 07-13-2007 11:58 AM
     

Man those look sweeeeeet !!

Curly has such an eye for stuff that it is ridiculous.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #967, 07-13-2007 02:51 PM
      Thanks for posting the pics Archie. I would have never guessed the triangular part but,... "The part fits like a glove" and the angle is nearly perfect! Good bye stock mirrors, hello 360's.




Thanks KinglikePrince and Gokart Mozart for proving the links (see positive and negetive constructive comments do work and people do listen).

Edit: I talked to Archie and due to time... I decided to send the driver side mirror. I can work out the burnt paint and electical motor wire issues later once the car is back to CA. As of now, I hardly ever reposition my stock mirrors...I the only driver, hehe.

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Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #968, 07-13-2007 03:27 PM
      That looks amazing. Congrats Curl.

Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #969, 07-13-2007 03:28 PM
      those look a lot like the kawasaki mirrors (at least i think they were kawi's) i tried for a while on my a pillars. that should work better though since those are angled for a car. i never could see out of my passenger side one so it was just there to match the drivers side.



Fierari (rdunniii@mac.com) MSG #970, 07-13-2007 06:28 PM
      Hmmm, wouldn't that get in the way of the door opening, horizontally with the window up or vertically at all?

Jake_Dragon MSG #971, 07-13-2007 06:34 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Fierari:

Hmmm, wouldn't that get in the way of the door opening, horizontally with the window up or vertically at all?


Not if you mount them to the door.


Philphine (philphine@live.com) MSG #972, 07-13-2007 07:22 PM