My interior build...
Topic started by: RCR, Date: 03-19-2006 09:28 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000042.html


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #1, 03-19-2006 09:28 AM
      In the spirit of "My dash conversion" thread, I thought I would start a thread more appropriate to what's now going on. It's no longer just a dash conversion (located here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/043545.html ), but a total update of the interior, including the center console, headliner, dash, door panels, AV system, etc.
Jscott convinced me that a cassete/cd changer audio system was not the way to go (Thanx Jon ), so I pulled it all out and picked up a Chinese knock-off DVD player (cds & MP3's too) and a 10.4" video screen. Still working on how the screen goes, but I roughed in all the stereo equipment so I can put the dash back in.
The addition of the dash required tossing out the center console. My plan was to find one I liked and incorporate it into a totally new design. Also, one of my later ideas was to incorporate a subwoofer in the dash, but after putting the dash back in, I realized it just wasn't going to fit. So I've decided to go with a center console subwoofer.

So, here are a couple of pics to get this started. More will come as the thread builds towards completion.

The first thing I did was build an amp rack to mount the equipment. I did not want to sacrifice space in the cab for the amps, but I wanted the extra power and room to grow. Here is the top of the rack:

I had to situate the amps around the brake booster, AC stuff, and washer bottle. I also wanted everything servicable, so it had to be hinged.

I plan on finishing it off with a glass cover over the amps, and fabric over the outside.

With the wiring in and the dash sub out, I went to work on the console sub.
I started out by forming a piece of cardboard around the ECM, making sure it fit nice up against the firewall. I removed it and built a form on my table to keep everything square. Then I put a coat of resin over the cardboard, making it nice and stiff. I put it back in the cabin and taped up the console area to get it's shape. Wax paper and paiters tape kept everything from sticking to the console. I layed several layers of glass over the back and bottom, to form the base for the subwoofer. (Sorry, no pics of any of this). Then I built up the ring. I decided I didn't need thunderous bass and I didn't want something protruding out that would get in the way of my arm, so I went with an 8" sub. I haven't picked one yet, but I'm leaning towards Kicker, or Rockford Fosgate. I built the ring around these. My buddy Matt came down for a few hours, so I put him on making the rings. He did a decent job considering the equipment he had to work with. He made two rings, meant to be stacked on each other. The bottom ring is where the sub is mounted, the top ring gives the sub a flush-mount look. Here are the pics so far:


Today I hope to get the fleese and resin on to give it some shape.

More later,

Bob

edits for speelin'

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revin MSG #2, 03-19-2006 09:53 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by RCR:


Are you planning a fan in there to keep the amps cool? I say a few computer fans need to be added.
or you can cut ahole toward the rad fan.


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #3, 03-19-2006 12:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by revin:

or you can cut ahole toward the rad fan.

That might actually make it hotter then the amps would do... But I still agree on something cooling them off.. one computer fan facing one way, forcing hot air out, and another one sucking it in should work, as long as you had a hood scoop .

Fino MSG #4, 03-19-2006 12:32 PM
      I think you are doing great work and it looks nice. But I also have to agree with the amps AND battery you need to cool it. Can you cut two holes in the front and install a fan on one to move air, then protect the two holes from water intrusion. Not going to be easy.

Ed



Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #5, 03-19-2006 01:20 PM
      Looks real good.



jscott1 MSG #6, 03-19-2006 02:12 PM
      Nice work Bob, welcome to the 21st century

Hopefully no one has a hood scoop that vents into the forward trunk. That area is supposed to be sealed from the elements. Which means it will get hot up there. With the amps mounted upside down natural convection is going to be working against you. You might conider changing to an aluminum plate and mount the amps to that as a heat sink.

I like your center console. I am just startng to work with fiberglass and my next one is going to be a lot better than the one I have now. If I ever figure out how to do molds I would be all set to make more. I'm very interested to see your large screen. I'm wanting to do a carputer one of these days but mounting a large touch screen in our cars is the challenge.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #7, 03-19-2006 05:49 PM
      OK, I hadn't considered the heat in front. I guess I'll have to come up with something slick. Or, maybe a hole somewhere..Hmm, I'll have to think on that.

Last update for the week:

I put the fabric on. It's a 100% polyester t-shirt type material. $2.00 a yard at Walmart. I think I looked like a fool feeling up all the material there, trying to find the stretchiest stuff they had. Oh well, I've got enough to do a bunch of stuff. The material is attached to the backing using staples (temporarily, I pulled them afterward), and hot glue.

Here's what it looks like attached to the framework:

And in the car for fitting:

Once satisfied with the fit, I coated it with a layer of resin:

Afterwards, it gets several layers of fiberglass. The glass I picked up on Ebay. It's 18oz weave. It seems to flow with the curves pretty well. And for 16lbs of glass for $16, you can't beat that.

I'll get more pics when it's further along.

Bob

...Ventilation, huh?? Hmmm....




revin MSG #8, 03-19-2006 06:12 PM
      run a drier vent hose from the front facia and drill a hole in the trunk for the "fresh air" Then down under the tub of the trunk.

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #9, 03-22-2006 02:40 PM
      I purchased an 8" Kicker CVR for the subwoofer box. I'm hoping it sounds as good as it looks.

Bob

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #10, 03-22-2006 03:37 PM
      Love how that center console is turning out! I can't wait to see the final result.

fiero_silva (dynocompebmxer@hotmail.com) MSG #11, 03-22-2006 05:54 PM
      Very nice work.. I love the amp rack idea!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #12, 04-09-2006 07:57 AM
      Update time:
The weather has been warm then cold, so work is sporadic, but I have the box built up with glass and the mounting flanges installed.
The following picture shows the creation of the flanges. I taped off the areas on the firewall where the flanges would be, using painters tape and wax paper. I put a coat of carnuba wax on the tape to help seperation. I installed the box back in the car, making sure it was at the proper mounting location. I then built up a flange using 2oz mat and 18oz cloth, overlapping the box and the flange to ensure it was nice and strong.

This picture shows the flange cut to shape. The back of the flange is an exact mirror copy of the firewall. (Pss..that's my first shot at the new door panel in the background)

The last two pics show the box in early sanding steps. I've added some kitty hair to strengthen the box and give it a better shape, and I've used a guidecoat of primer to see where I'm at with the sanding. I hate sanding....Lots more of that to come.


Bob

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3800superfast MSG #13, 04-09-2006 09:39 AM
      Hi Bob, you do very nice detailed work, heres a idea for the cooling part # PRM-19120


http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=19120


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #14, 04-09-2006 09:58 AM
      Thanx for the heads-up.

Bob

vortecfiero (vortecfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #15, 04-09-2006 10:02 AM
      very nice ! Looks great !!!
I have always wondered how the custom installers did that kind of work..
I never really asked.. but the pics tell all



jscott1 MSG #16, 04-09-2006 01:17 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by RCR:

This picture shows the flange cut to shape. The back of the flange is an exact mirror copy of the firewall. (Pss..that's my first shot at the new door panel in the background)



Any more detals on those door panels??


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #17, 04-09-2006 01:29 PM
      RCR, you're doing some very fine work. Keep up the progress pix. Good ideas are always welcome.

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #18, 04-09-2006 07:44 PM
      Just a couple more pics of todays progress.
This one shows a half can of primer to start the "smoothing" process.

Almost smooth:

And todays fan club. My two youngest cheering on Dad.

Thanx for popping in.
Bob



Sourmug MSG #19, 04-09-2006 11:23 PM
      Bob:

The speaker enclosure looks great! Isn't sanding fun

I'd like to see some pictures of the door panels as well.

Nolan

UCFieroCharger (carjlinn@gmail.com) MSG #20, 04-10-2006 02:01 AM
      Just a quick question, and other peopel with subboxes, what is the interior volume of the sub box?
Can anyone tell me what the suggested volume is for an 8in sub? I tried looking online and actually wasnt very successful.
Im just curious.

After seeing everyone doing all this work since its getting nice, im getting that itch to do something....

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #21, 04-10-2006 07:38 AM
      Sorry guys, the door panel is an up & coming project. I don't have much info on it, other than I started by following what Roy did on his Firebird panels. The gist of the door panel is that I'm using firebird components and form fitting it to the dash. The raised portions will be custom made, their will be an integrated 5.25" door speaker, and a custom center section. Not much else to tell, yet.

The recommended volume for my Kicker CVR is .4 to 1.8 cuft for a sealed enclosure and .8 to 1.2 cuft for a ported enclosure. I'm estimating that I'm just short of .4 cuft so I will be using polyester batting to fill the box to make it seem larger to the sub.

Bob

UCFieroCharger (carjlinn@gmail.com) MSG #22, 04-10-2006 09:07 AM
      ok, thanks for the info.

Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #23, 04-10-2006 08:20 PM
      Cute little girls. Aren't dads lucky people?

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #24, 04-10-2006 08:44 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:

Cute little girls. Aren't dads lucky people?

I don't know what kids look like in germany.. but one of them is a boy . So cute boy/girl.

The build is looking pretty good so far! Maybe it will look even better with a widebody?!?!?!?! Muahhaha

Best of luck,
Chase.


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #25, 04-10-2006 08:52 PM
      Oops!!! I'm blind in one eye (j/k), that must have caused the stupidity!!! Thanks for the correction.

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #26, 04-11-2006 07:34 AM
      Custom2M4:
Widebody??? Hmmm. Maybe you're onto something....Maybe something like this?

Only a handful of projects at one time.

Bob

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #27, 04-11-2006 11:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:
Only a handful of projects at one time.

Bob

Thats not near wide enough! Handful of projects? Pfft, you can never have enough projects!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #28, 04-11-2006 07:53 PM
      Custom2M4: It's not as wide as yours, but it is 3.5" wider that stock, on each side. Plus it still "looks" stock, just modern. But, back on topic...

Here is a quick shot of the final product, in primer, just to make sure it all still fits properly.

I shot the first coat of metalic cast iron, butran out of paint, Doh! More later...

Bob

Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #29, 04-11-2006 08:38 PM
      Looks sweet... going to have clearance for your arm?

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #30, 04-11-2006 10:09 PM
      Well mine is only about 3.5-4inches wider then stock... I dont really wany anymore because I don't plan on running spacers.. Just a RWD offset..

Its looking pretty good!


 
quote
Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

Looks sweet... going to have clearance for your arm?

If you look in the first picture of the box, it seems like its about perfect for your arm .



Sourmug MSG #31, 04-11-2006 11:18 PM
      Nice job, it looks like it belongs there. Much better looking than most sub enclosures I have seen.

Nolan

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fieroracer86 MSG #32, 04-11-2006 11:45 PM
      That looks sweeet! Can't wait to see it covered or painted

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #33, 04-12-2006 07:36 AM
      Arm clearance will be good for me. With my hand resting on shifter, my arm doesn't touch the box. The speaker is recessed, so that won't be an issue, either. Thanx everyone for popping in and the kind words. I'm just hoping to add to the knowledge base and show that it's not that difficult if you work at it a little.

Bob

cliffw (cliffw4559@gmail.com) MSG #34, 04-12-2006 07:50 AM
      Looking good.
Curious if you are gonna be using your seat speakers. If so, what type do you have in mind ?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #35, 04-12-2006 12:09 PM
      cliffw: I will be eliminating the seat speakers. I plan on getting new seats sometime in the future. I'm thinking of building some boxes up in the corners to house some 5.25s or 6.5s since my '84 does not have the provision for B-pillar speakers. Not sure how that'll work out, yet.

Bob

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #36, 04-12-2006 01:28 PM
      Nice work! Love to see the little tricks like the stretched polyester to make these shapes -relatively- easy. I still spend way too much time on filling and sanding...your work looks good.

Sourmug MSG #37, 04-12-2006 02:53 PM
      Incidently, here is a link to a forum that has a ton of info on this sort of thing:
http://glassmanscustomforum.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/index.php

Nolan

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #38, 04-12-2006 04:55 PM
      I'm a silent member at Glassman's. That and the Alpine site is where I came up with most of this.

Thanx Fie Ro, having watched your progress, I had a high target to shoot for. Still a long way to go.

Bob

Sourmug MSG #39, 04-12-2006 11:58 PM
      Bob:

Have you purchased any of the products from Glassman particularily the instruction videos? If you did, how do you like them?

Thanks
Nolan


BobadooFunk (bobadoofunk@gmail.com) MSG #40, 04-13-2006 12:14 AM
      looks awesome so far!!

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #41, 04-13-2006 07:30 AM
      Nolan: No I have not picked up the video. A lot of people over there say the videos are a must, but with a lot of reading on the site and a little practice, I'm not sure what the videos will show you. Certainly not worth the money to me.

Thanx Bobadoofunk...


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #42, 05-09-2006 12:25 PM
      I've taken a lot of phots, but I don't have anything to post yet. The build has been slow, as usual, but progress is there. First off, the subwoofer enclosure is all but done. I had a little issue with paint the other day. I ran out of paint before it was finished. I bought the same brand/color/etc. When I sprayed the last coat on, it all cracked and checked. WTF. So I had to sand it down again, re-prime, and re-shoot the color. No problem second time around. The only thing left is to drill a hole for the wire and hook it up. I'm debating whether to connect the wire direct to the sub, or to put a terminal strip on there...

The amp rack is moving slowly. I purchased 5 fans to use in the front compartment and on the rack. Two will be used behind the headlights to push/pull air into the compartment. 2 or 3 will be on the rack, moving air around the amps. The fans should be here Friday, so hopefully I'll have it figured out by next week.

I also re-started my door panel project. Hopefully I'll have pics of that forthcoming.

Bob


Sourmug MSG #43, 05-09-2006 02:50 PM
      WE NEED PICTURES!!!

Nolan


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #44, 05-09-2006 03:23 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Sourmug:

WE NEED PICTURES!!!



I second that!!!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #45, 05-09-2006 07:21 PM
      Did someone ask for pictures? Let's see...Oh, here they are..

First pic was supposed to show the wrinkles in the paint, but instaed, it really shows the metalic grey, so:


On to the amp rack build...
Here I'm laying out the positions of the amps.


This one shows the skeleton that will give it some shape. Nothing too radical (well, not radical at all) since this is the first attempt at doing this. I'm using 1/2 MDF for the whole thing.


To keep the cloth and resin from sticking to everything, I covered the skeleton with masking tape, and used wax paper on the large areas.


Here I've stretched my spandex over the entire thing. I wraped the edges over the rack, hot gluing them to the masking tape to allow easier removal once it was hard.




RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #46, 05-09-2006 07:29 PM
      This is another view of the wrap, trying to catch the shadows to show the shape. The fiberglass can top on the right is being used to leave an impression in the cover. I need this to clear the power brake reseviour(sp?). The top happened to be almost the exact size and shape of the brake cover. Once the resin hardened, I removed the cover and coated that blank spot with resin.


And here it is covered in resin:



A couple of layers of 1.5 oz matt and I've also cut out the amp holes:


And here I'm test fitting one of the amps.


That's it for the racki pictures. I'm expecting some fans by Friday, so hopefully I can get them mounted and on to the finishing.

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #47, 05-09-2006 07:53 PM
      And more, as I open the chapter on the door panels. I was going to wait until I was further along, but since I mentioned it...

Here is the door panel we all know and love. I felt it was no longer compatible with the dash I put in, so it needed some radical re-styling. In the spirit of Roy(MrFixit) and Jon's(Jscott) Firebird interior swaps, I thought I'd go the same route with the door panels. Unfortuneately, they don't match up to well to the dash, so I decided to reuse as much as I could and build my own.


Stripped:


This pic shows the door panel with the components mocked up. The center portion will be cut out and probably upolstered in grey suede. The Fiero panel is a bit too "textured" so I had to cut it apart and flatten it out. I also had to fill the openings where the stock door latch comes thru and I cut out where the new latch will go. This is actually pretty similar to how Roy did his.



Here I'm ling up all the pieces:

I was planning on reusing the bottom of the panel, the door pull, and the speaker box/storage tray.

Here the center is gone, and the panel is mounted to a piece of plywood to keep it flat.



My first thought was to wrap it in hi-density foam, but that looked aweful:


So I decided to try poly foam. I shaped the foam and covered it with Kilz latex primer and drywall compound. I also droped the idea of using the bottom of the original Firebird panel, figuring it would be just as easy to form my own.
Here is a shot with the first pieces of foam:


And here it is with all the foam and drywall stripped off so I could do it again:

My intent was to use the drywall and foam to make a mold. But with all the glassing I've done recently, I've decided mold making is not for me. These will be one-off pieces, so I didn't want a bunch of drywall compund in my doors, so it had to go. I picked up some "yellow" foam at Home Depot, so this was a good opurtunity to give it a try.


Here is the new mock-up with the urethane foam. Nice stuff to work with, but I hadn't realized that it was fiberglass reinforced. Just something else to stick to my fingers as I sand...


I've done more sanding and shaping, but the camera needed a recharge so those pics will be later...

Thanx for tuning in, now back to your regularly scheduled program...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #48, 05-09-2006 08:01 PM
      PS, Cudos to Cliff. The PIP worked perfect today.

thanx...


Sourmug MSG #49, 05-09-2006 09:15 PM
      So I take it that the components you are using on the panels are from a firebird? I like the idea. Keep it coming.

Nolan


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #50, 05-09-2006 10:40 PM
      Yes, the speaker pods, door pull/arm rests, latches, switches, and overall look will be like the Firebird, with a small twist.

Bob


Haagster MSG #51, 05-10-2006 03:48 PM
      OK Bob. Your door panels definitely have my interest (since I am struggling on how to do the panels for my car!!).

"Back to the regularly scheduled program"??? THIS IS A REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM - NOW!! Outstanding work!!!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #52, 05-10-2006 04:58 PM
      [insert popcorn gif thingie here]

Haagster MSG #53, 05-14-2006 09:26 PM
     

any updates??? and to get this back on top...

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #54, 05-15-2006 07:38 AM
      Slow going with Mother's Day weekend. I've fiberglassed the door panel surround. It's to a point where I can remove it from the door to finish it off. It will need another layer of glass, then I need to add some sort of flange to mount the center piece. My fans were delayed by a late train, so I should get them today. I also worked on putting a bottom in my trunk, but that's another tale...

There should be another good update soon.

thanx for asking...

Bob

edit: Fans are here. <thumbs-up>

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #55, 05-15-2006 07:51 PM
      Ok...As I left it, I had a rough shape on my "work" table. After taking the panel on and off the car about a hundred times, I mounted it to the door with all of the fasteners. Before doing that, though, I covered the door in plastic so I wouldn't slop resin all over the place. And sometime in there, I almost burned the car to the ground, but that's in another thread. Anyway, I shaped the panel so first, I could close the door, then matched it to the trim pieces. Then I shaped the panel to flow with the dash and lastly, how I wanted it. Here are some progress pics:

This pic shows the panel mounted:


And this is with the door closed I tried to follow the flow of the dash into the panels:


Here is a closer shot of how the end is sculpted out to match the dash. The foam is soft enough that 180 grit sandpaper cuts it smoothly, but it doesn't take forever. I pretty much used a utility knife, a small Xacto saw blade, and various pieces of sandpaper to do all of the sculping.


Here is a closer shot of the detail I put dividing the rise into the dash from the top sill. It should flow pretty well into the door pull.


After getting the sculpting how I wanted it, I started laying up 1.5oz matt. I started at the top and worked my way down. To help aid the fiberglass in keeping it's shape, especially on the bottom edges, I wrapped the foam and glass with aluminum foil. I tried spraying the foil with cooking spray to help release it. The foil was still a bit@#^ to get off. I had to scrap a lot off with a knife, but it did the trick. It kept the glass from coming off the foam, so the shape was intact.


Here is a shot of the bottom half, using my "dryers". 1000 Watts of halogen power. It'd work better without the aluminum reflecting the heat back, but you do what you have to do...


Lastly, here is a shot with the door closed that shows the curve of the panel from the top.



Next step is to pull the panel off and finish the glassing and add some of the detail work.

till later...

Bob

Edit: A couple invaluable tools when working with fiberglass: a good shop vac to clean up the dust. And a respirator, to keep that crap out of the lungs.

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Haagster MSG #56, 05-16-2006 08:58 AM
      I didn't get past this point because that was right at the point when the "fit hit the shan" at home (can you spell separation and divorce)...







I can (almost) start working on it again. Still need to get a different (better) driver's door panel and a passenger panel to work... And yes, you have at least 1 "fan" actively reading your thread!!!



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #57, 05-16-2006 12:09 PM
      Leave the pics Haagster...Just adds to the flavor of the topic....
Hope you get your "business" in order soon and get back at it. Always good to see what ideas others have and how we take different paths to execute the same thing. Looking forward to seeing you build.
- It looks like you have your door pull moved already. I haven't done that yet. I was thinking I should do it when I know how the center panel works out, but maybe I should do it first after all...

Bob

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Haagster MSG #58, 05-16-2006 03:05 PM
      The door pull was not fun... Something wrong with trying to do that at 10PM in a garage that is about 20 degrees. I have not touched the passenger door yet, so that is coming too.

Thanks for letting me piggy back on your thread a little. I think having similar installs in the same thread is great <remembering back to mrfixit, jscott1, PBJ doing the first of the Firebird dash install threads> for variety and interest.


Sourmug MSG #59, 05-16-2006 03:41 PM
      Great progress! It's going to look great once you are done.

Is the foam you are using a mix, spray can or a solid sheet?

This is sure going to help me out once I finall get around to doing my interior.

Nolan


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #60, 05-16-2006 06:41 PM
     
 
quote
Thanks for letting me piggy back on your thread a little. I think having similar installs in the same thread is great <remembering back to mrfixit, jscott1, PBJ doing the first of the Firebird dash install threads> for variety and interest.

My pleasure...

 
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Is the foam you are using a mix, spray can or a solid sheet?

Nolan, I'm using 1.5" (I think??) urethane foam board from Home Depot. It's yellow, has foil backer on one side and paper on the other. It's also fiberglass re-enforced.

Bob


countach711 (johngates@hotmail.com) MSG #61, 05-17-2006 12:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Haagster:

I didn't get past this point because that was right at the point when the "fit hit the shan" at home (can you spell separation and divorce)...


You can call me crazy, but I think I'd rather keep my wife a bit more than a car... just a thought.


Haagster MSG #62, 05-17-2006 06:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by countach711:
You can call me crazy, but I think I'd rather keep my wife a bit more than a car... just a thought.


You have a PM (to keep this thread on topic)...


squisher86SE MSG #63, 05-17-2006 11:37 AM
      RCR: I didn't catch this thread in time to respond close to your speaker picture, but oh well.

I am currently using a Kicker CVR8, and they do sound just as good as they look

I'm using a center console box, AusFiero-style I believe. Connected to a 380 watt Alpine amplifier fed by a Pioneer head unit. Won't rattle the windows on the car next to you, but it can chase you out of the Fiero! Very crisp and hits really hard for an 8".


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #64, 05-17-2006 12:00 PM
      Thanx squisher: Sounds good to me (no pun intended). I'm looking forward to firing up again.

Bob

Edit for the foam.
I took a look at what I'm using. It is Dow Super Tuff-R, polyisocyanurate insulation. 1" thick. And it is fiber re-enforced.

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #65, 05-31-2006 07:46 PM
      As always, I've run into a major stumbling block. When I made my measurements for the rack, I made sure to measure everything twice. Unfortuneately, I measured twice from the wrong mark. The fiberglass cover hits the brake fluid resevoir. Since I need to button up the front, the following discussions will be on how to repair stupid mistakes without starting from scratch.

more later

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #66, 06-10-2006 07:22 AM
      It's been an up and down June. When it comes to the car, mostly down. Either I'm working too much and missing details, or just bad luck. Let's get to the pics....

I've been ansy to finish the amp rack and get to other things, so I've concentrated my efforts in that direction. Cooling was brought up as an issue, so I've tried to resolve that by adding three fans to the rack. One fan each will blow onto each amp. I have a third fan that is centralized to blow air out. Here is a blury pick of the center fan. I will be spacing the amps off the board about 0.25" to allow air to move under them. All fans are 2x2x0.6". Off the top of my head, they are rated at 8cfm. I bought them from Jameco. They have a large selection of fans if anyone is interested. I cutout holes in the board, and glued the fans into place. The center fan needed to be reccessed into the ribs so it wouldn't stick out the top. I'm powering the fans from the amp power. I use a small relay powered from the amp accy line to turn them on/off.



After the fans were installed I installed the material cover for the rack. I'm using a leftover piece of headliner material to cover everything. It's not the most durable stuff, but it's easy to use and I thought it looked good. I sprayed the surface using #M Hi-Strength 90 adhesive. Here is a before/after shot of the side:


I wrapped the material up and over the side, stapling it to the inside edge of the rack.

Here is a shot of the length of the rack, showing the material wrap, the staples, and the material trimmed with a razor.


And heres the finished product:


more...


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #67, 06-10-2006 07:36 AM
      ... And as the saga goes, I had run into problems. I mounted the rack and cover, only to find I missmeasured, so the cover hit the brake resevoir. It was close, I only had to shave of this much:


The repair process was similar to the build. Cut out the interference:


Glue material to the back side and place the spacer in the proper location:


Then the typical resin, two layers of glass, filler, lots of sanding, primer then this:

That's Playdough on the resevoir, and it still hit. Hmmm...Back to the drawing board.

So, back to cut, add foam this time, cover in layers of glass, fill, primer, and sand til arm numb between each step:




I tried to make a pocket that kind of followed the same lines as the rest of the rack. I'm not too sure I like the way it looks, but I'm happy with the way it came out for all the work that went into it. I should also mention I did it twice. I cracked it along the seam of the joined areas, about 8" long, when doing another trial fit. Here's what it will look like mounted, minus the color coat:


I've got a lot more detail work to do, but at least this one is winding down. Then back to the door.

Thanx for viewing, and as always, comments and suggestions are welcome.

Bob

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #68, 06-10-2006 06:30 PM
      It's been a very productive day. I've finish sanded the rack cover, painted it, and installed it. The pics speak for themmselves:




I have detail work to do, such as finding some kind of latch mechanism, but that can wait. I also installed two more fans, in a push/pull configuration. These will be wired to the amp turn-on wire like the other three. These fans also came from Jameco, and I believe they are rated at 18 CFM.


<note that this one cost me a coolant bottle>

And speaking of bottles, the washer fluid bottle hit the rack, like everything else, so I moved it down about 1.5". I also decided to spruce it up a bit by painting it black. There is a spot on the side I masked off so I can see the fluid level.



I also finished the subwoofer/console. I purchased a speaker spring-clip for the bottom, so I could mount the speaker wires. I wired up the speaker, stuffed it full of polyester batting, and screwed it closed. It's all ready to mount in the car.



So, with that, the car is almost done. Now all I have to do is build/finish the door panels, the column surround, two speaker pods, the head liner/AV system, and the trunk. Piece of cake

Bob


MartyK (marty.kellogg@cox.net) MSG #69, 06-17-2006 04:13 PM
      Any updates ?
I have been watching this thread for some final pics..... Thanks .... MK


The Funkmaster MSG #70, 06-17-2006 10:07 PM
      oooooooh I like the shiny sub box Very professional.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #71, 06-18-2006 10:54 AM
      That's some sound system Bob. How many speakers are you going to use? I like th door panels.

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Sunflash (zachary.s.sherman@gmail.com) MSG #72, 06-18-2006 12:49 PM
      Wow you guys are doing great work. Lots of ideas and some stuff I didn't think of when making new panels for my '83 toyota truck last year. Looks like its time for a spruce up on the truck to help learn some new skills.

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #73, 06-19-2006 07:42 AM
      Rob,
The entertainment system has been pieced together on a shoestring budget. I have component speakers (1" tweeter & 5 1/4" midrange) for the front. I have some old 6 1/2" 3 ways for the back, but I may change that, and the 8" subwoofer. I also have a 10" LCD screen to stick somewhere. Lotsa fun....

Thanx for checking in everyone. I'll be off all projects for the next couple of weeks as I try to finish some house projects and strip another Fiero for parts. Can't have enough parts, I guess.

later...
Bob


Joe Torma (animatedjoe75@yahoo.com) MSG #74, 06-19-2006 10:14 AM
      Looks good!
Will the radiator fan overpower those fans and let very hot air into the compartment?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #75, 06-19-2006 11:55 AM
     
 
quote
Will the radiator fan overpower those fans and let very hot air into the compartment?


I hope not...I placed the fans outboard near the headlights, to get cooler air. Also, in the near future, I will be adding a hood vent.

Bob


Korupt MSG #76, 06-20-2006 07:28 PM
      TTT i wanna see what happens any updates?

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #77, 06-21-2006 07:07 PM
      I'm currently stripping an 86 SE. That has top billing because it needs to get out of here. Thanx for the bump...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #78, 07-04-2006 10:14 AM
      still stripping parts, archive prevention bump

Haagster MSG #79, 07-04-2006 07:51 PM
      Been a while for sure... I just picked up 2 'other' door panels for mine and stripped the carpet off and made the cuts... Keep this alive (I'll post a few pictures here too so it wont archive before its time)!!



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #80, 08-20-2006 07:37 AM
      I'm back...and I actually have an update. It rained yesterday so I couldn't work on the house So back to the story:
I got back to work on the door panel. Idecided I need to finalize the look of the entire panel, so I needed to get the insert together. I took the center section that I had cut out, and trimmed it to fit into the new opening. The opening was slightly smaller because of the added fiberglass. I also made sure that the edges had nice smooth edges. This is so I can use it as a template to smooth out the outer section. I decided it would be easier to mount if I had a flange to mount it to, but I wasn't sure how to go about this. I decided to flange the main outer section, and attach the center to it. This will make covering the center easier. I plan on installing studs around the center section once I get to that point. Anyway...here are some pics:


This pic shows the trimmed center installed with a layer of duct tape installed on the edge.


Here, I've installed some temporary bands to hold it together.


And here are several layers of glass (2oz matt) installed. Once the flange is complete, I will remove the bands and fill in the missing sections where the bands were. This will provide a complete support area for the center.

Hopefully it rains today, too

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #81, 09-04-2006 06:06 PM
      Hello again,
This will be a real short update, as my camera is loaded with wedding pictures (not mine) so I have not taken any yet...But, what I've done has gotten me excited because I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I've concentrated on the door panel and I made good progress. I've started finish sanding the outer portion in prep for final finish. I've also finished the door latch. I still need to do the manualk lock lever, but at least now I can open the door from the inside. <dinner break>...

OK, I'm back and own page 3...

I setup my latch a little differently than Roy (MrFixit), Jonathon (Jscott), and Nolan (Sourmug). On all of those, the handles were done prior to or while the panel layout was done, in escence, the door layout was built around the handle. I went a different route, as usual. I layed out the panel, with the handle in what I think is a good spot, built the panel, then tried to get the handle to work. Fortuneately, it worked out ok. It took me all day to do it, but I think this will work good and allows me to do the panel design without compromise. (Not saying that the other guys compromised, but if I would have mounted the handle first, I felt I would have to compromise something to get it to work and look right.)

The other thing I did was mold a light into the end of the armrest. I was trying to figure out how to cap the cutoff end when the thought of a light came to me. So I scrounged a bit and came up with the liscense plate lamps off the car I just scrapped. Almost a perfect fit into the end. A little foam and glasswork, and Voila.


This picture also shows the finish coat of Bondo I'm using. I guess it's relatively new, at least to me. It's a Bondo brand Profesional Gold. They might be taking a stab at the Rage Gold products. Seems to work well, very smooth and creamy. I'll continue to use it, at least until I try Rage Gold.

Another thing I wanted to show was the completed subwoofer, sitting in the car.


And here's a preliminary view of what it looks like together:

In this photo, I'm reshaping the portion of the panel that mates up to the speaker pod and the bottom of the dash.

I'll finish the update when I get the next batch of pics in....

Bob

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #82, 09-08-2006 09:06 PM
      Since I had the door apart, I tried Rickady88Gt's flush-mount speaker info. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/071981.html
By re-clocking the motor on the window regulator, one can free up some space in the door to clear a large speaker magnet. It was actually pretty easy thanx to his directions. It took about 2 hours, including tiome to BBQ some chicken.
I had a couple of slight differences. I didn't quite clock mine as high as his:

I'll probably go higher on the other side, unless it causes problems with the stops. I did npt have problems with the stops on this side. I mearly clearanced the front one to clear the end of the motor. ....OK, I re-read his thread about the bumpstop. I didn't think about clearance to the speaker, since I don't have a speaker in there yet. I'll update if I need to modify it more. Here's a pic of what I did:

And a blurry one through the window to show clearance to the motor:


This shot shows the amount of metal that is clear to be removed for the speaker:


This one came up in another thread concerning clearance to the parking brake handle. I'm not posting this there, since this is heavily modified, but I have a good inch between the handle and the door pocket.


And the last shows the door together (minus the switches):


Bob



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #83, 09-08-2006 10:39 PM
      That looks really , really, REALLY nice. I wish I had just a small portion of the talent in fiberglassing that I see in this thread as well as some other threads on the forum.

Great job.



GonsaiPK MSG #84, 09-09-2006 01:30 AM
      Wow, by far the best Firebird door panel I have ever seen! Keep up the good work!

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #85, 09-09-2006 10:43 AM
      Careful, thats going to look so good that people might think that it came that way. Thats looking really good keep up the good work.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #86, 09-09-2006 06:03 PM
      Thanx Guys...I did some detail work today. I made the mounts for the armrest, and I setup the speaker. I cutout the hole in the door, mounted and test fit the speaker, and clearanced the front window stop. I had to take about 1/4" off the end of the stop. Lots of clearance and it still works fine. I also cut-down and rebent the lock rod, so that works now. Lastly, I pulled the door latch mechanism out, cleaned it, and re-installed it. If the weather remains rainy, I'll get back to finish and maybe get to doing the center piece. Joann Fabric, here I come.

Bob


Sourmug MSG #87, 09-10-2006 02:08 AM
      Bob:

Your door panel look fabulous, just like it belongs there! Nice work as usual.

Nolan


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #88, 09-15-2006 12:09 PM
      This is the newest toy to add to the build:


It's a rear view monitor (7"TFT Sharp LCD) with back-up camera. I'll use it to replace the rearview mirror and integrate it into the headliner some how. I should be getting it in a few days. I'll add updates on the install once I get it in.

Bob


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #89, 09-15-2006 12:28 PM
      Glad to see you're making good progress on your interior again. Looking real good.

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #90, 09-15-2006 02:54 PM
      Fantastic job!!! So far it's the best door panels that I've seen. I really like the way you've integrated the firebird speaker pod/map pocket. I was going to go that route too but the project was taking so long that I scrapped the idea and simplified my design. I also like your armrest lights. Rather than keeping them clear, have you thought of inserting a red lens behind the clear lens (more of a safety design)? I installed lights in the hollow cavity under my armrest so it illuminates the ground when you open the door. Keep up the nice work.

Haagster MSG #91, 09-15-2006 03:44 PM
      Absolutely fantastic!! I am really glad to see that you are back on the case (mine will start again soon too). Your work looks great.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #92, 09-15-2006 10:07 PM
      My thanx to everyone, again. I have it in my head that it'll never be done, so I keep adding things.

Roy: All the info you sent me was the inspiration. I'm just taking it to the next step. I was also thinking on the lines of replacing the bulb with a hi intensity red LED. Or, maybe something that blinks...Who knows.

Thanx again guys. You all are the inspiration to keep going.

Bob


pheonix97031 (culpeppm@onid.orst.edu) MSG #93, 10-14-2006 03:06 AM
      Are there any finished pictures? I would love to see them.............

1986GTV8 MSG #94, 10-15-2006 01:36 PM
      Wow...........

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #95, 10-15-2006 02:43 PM
      I wish it was finished, so sorry, what you see is what I've got done. I'm starting to plan out how the video screen will be integrated and what to do with the console. Too many plans ... not enough time.

thanx for checking in.

Bob


pheonix97031 (culpeppm@onid.orst.edu) MSG #96, 10-16-2006 07:54 PM
      So, I was wondering how you intend to finish the doors? Where you custom molded around the side of the door, Are you just going to paint it? Or are you going to get it upholsterd like the dash? Also, do you know anything about paining the dash itself? I was thinking of doing some kind of custom paint scheme in my car......

Anyways, what do you think?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #97, 10-16-2006 08:00 PM
      Phoenix: I will be painting the surround mettalic gray. It's a close color to the dash and can be seen on the subwoofer and air bag cover pics. As for painting the dash: With the proper prep work, it can be painted (or dyed). I don't think I could list the steps for the prep, so you might want to look elsewhere.

thanx for looking.

Bob


Sourmug MSG #98, 10-16-2006 08:25 PM
      C'mon Bob, I'm gonna catch up with you at this rate! It looks good, can't wait to see the final product.

Nolan


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #99, 10-17-2006 05:54 AM
      No doubt Nolan...No doubt.

Kentish MSG #100, 10-17-2006 06:43 AM
      That's looking great!



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #101, 10-29-2006 07:24 AM
      I just wanted to take a moment to vent about the weather...It sucks. I think we've had 3 dry weekends since the middle of August. Now it's wet and cold. Blech...

I did manage to do something...I stripped the material off of the passenger door panel and flattened it for use in modifying. Somewhere I read that brake cleaner works good for removing the carpet...Holy moley, was that ever right. It's like the brake cleaner re-activates the glue. It all pulled right off. There's still a lot of very sticky glue, but I can work with that. I didn't have a heat gun, so the vinyl was a little more difficult, but no big deal. I cut out the raised portion of the panel, screwed the whole thing to a piece of plywood to keep it flat and filled in all of the openings with glass (something I failed to do on the first one - I left the armrest hole open).
Pic of finished mods:


Hopefully I'll get a little more done today...

Bob

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #102, 10-30-2006 06:31 PM
      I mocked up the rearview mirro and the camera yesterday. I figured out how/where to run the cables, and I mounted and tested the camera. I decided to mount the camera in the passenger compartment so I wouldn't have to worry about exterior dirt on the lense. I figured iot was easier to keep the window clean. I also mounted the camera on the passenger side looking back across. This is to eliminate the blindspot on the driver's side. I made a bracket out of .020" aluminum plate. I measured it out, and used a wood boring bit to cut a 1" hole (didn't want to wait to borrow a Greenlee). Once the hole was made, I cut it to width and bent it in the vise. It broke in two.... So, remembering a trick I saw Jessie James mention, I made another piece and this time heated it with a propane torch before bending it. Worked perfect.


A little black paint and some sheet metal screws and it was ready to go. Here it is form the inside:


And the outside:


I'm not too worried about the headliner because I have to modify it anyway. I'll shape the headliner around the camera to hide it more, plus I'm planning on speaker pods up there, too.
If the shot of the mirror would have come out, the view would look something like this:

The cardboard "post" to the right is the corner of the car, so visibility is very good.

Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #103, 10-30-2006 08:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

This is the newest toy to add to the build:


It's a rear view monitor (7"TFT Sharp LCD) with back-up camera. I'll use it to replace the rearview mirror and integrate it into the headliner some how. I should be getting it in a few days. I'll add updates on the install once I get it in.

Bob


Bob, does that screen double as a mirror also? Rob



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #104, 10-31-2006 07:16 AM
      Rob,
Yes it has a reflective surface that the monitor shines through. If the monitor is off it works fine as a mirror, it's just not quite as reflective as a regular mirror.


Talk about a mental gap...I noticed this morning that I usually have my mirror pointed towards the passenger side blind spot, not the driver's side. I may have to move the camera. Once I have a seat and mirrors on the car, I'll have to see what works best.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #105, 11-01-2006 04:58 PM
      For good or bad, these are my new seats:


I hope they fit. They are 2004 Mazda 3 seats, very similar to the seats in my 6. If they fit, I will add them to the seat thread I started.

Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #106, 11-01-2006 10:52 PM
     

Hey Bob, Very nice job on the door panel. The other side won't take as long to do. On the Firebird dash, is the hook up of all the controls & instruments fairly straight forward? It seems like the dash fits in the Fiero pretty well. Rob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #107, 11-02-2006 07:06 AM
      Hi Rob,
I don't expect the passenger side to take as long. I already have a few ideas to try to help speed things up. Too bad the way the car is sitting right now, I can't open the door all the way....
The Firebird dash is pretty straight forward from what I understand, but I think you meant to ask Grand Am dash...That is not straight forward. Can't use the existing cluster without major mods. Had to rebuild the HVAC controls. New ductwork. Other than that, it's a snap.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #108, 11-05-2006 08:07 AM
      Had some fun at a couple junk yards yesterday. I've got a few things to work on now. I picked up the power mirror connector I needed, so I can finish wiring that up. I picked up a complete glovebox, and altough way too deep to fit, I've alread cut and modified it to go on. Just need to redo the hinges on that. I also picked up a shifter surround from a 2001 Grand Am (imagine that, more Grand Am parts). I will need to modify the shifter for it to fit properly, then I can start on the console. I could kick myself too, for lo and behold, there was a 2004 Mazda 6 with seats just like the ones I just bought, but in black, for $65 cheaper than I just paid for mine. Oh well...

Also, I will probably be adding another Fiero to the stable today. Short term project to get on the road. Long term? Who knows.

later...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #109, 11-05-2006 12:52 PM
      First pic of the console (to be). Here is the new shifter surround. This pic shows how high it is. I will have to chop the shifter up a bit to get it down another 1 to 2".



Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #110, 11-05-2006 01:53 PM
      Bob,

What's involved in getting that HVAC controller to work in the Fiero?

Rob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #111, 11-05-2006 05:14 PM
      Rob: I used the electric actuator that Riceburner is using to control the heat door. That is a direct wire up. I had to make a selector switch for the different modes with a small circuit. The fan switch isn't connected yet. I was working on a variable speed controller for it, but came across a switch at work that might work. Check out the 6'th page of my dash swap thread for more details.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #112, 11-14-2006 08:53 PM
      The seats arrived last Friday. I was so excited. They looked brand new. They're not anymore...

Let's see, I guess the best way to explain it is to say that Mazda 3 seats are not meant to go into a Fiero. I've got about 10+ hours into the driver's seat, and I think I've figured out a way to do it. I've totally dismantled the lower half of the seat, and let me just say it was a work of art the way it was assembled. ...Not anymore...I've drilled out dozens of rivets, cut, pasted, and welded things together just to take it apart again. Two more cuts to get it low enough and I can weld it back together. Then I need to fab up two brackets for the back of the seat bottom, shorten the hand bar for the seat adjust, and add two mounting studs to the floor and it should be done.

I guess I'm too stubborn to call it a loss and get seats that fit.

Boy this is FUN!!!

pics later...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #113, 11-28-2006 06:54 PM
      Let's get some pics and an explanation posted....

Here's what I started with, '04 Mazda 3, with manual lumbar and height adjusts.



This is what the bottom mechanism looks like without the seat cushion.


Here's a slider with the mounting feet removed. Just about everything is riveted together. What a PITA!!!


Here, I'm finally getting a bit smarter. I've removed everything, including the seat back. I've mounted the modified rails to a piece of plywood to keep everything square.

I'm using 1/2" angle to tie the right and left sides together. The main portion of the seat braket the runs along the sides has had 1/2" trimed off the bottom. The sides are welded to 1/8" bar stock which is in turn welded to the Mazda rails. I'm using the stock floor mounts for the right side, and the left front. A custom left rear was made out of 1.5" angle.

I also had to lower the seat bottom. I did this by removing the cover and cushion from the metal "basket". I shaved 1/2" off the bottom of the cushion using a serated knife.


I then had to raise the floor of the basket. I used a Dremel and cutting wheel to cut a flap out of the bottom of the basket. I reshaped the bottom using a hammer and dolly and tacked it back together.

This pic also shows where I had to clearance the rear mounts to clear the sliders.

Then I re-installed the cushion and cover.

I'll have to post the finished pics later.

Bob

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #114, 12-17-2006 09:11 AM
      On to more fabrication.

Yesterday, I started the center console. What I've done so far is to take the original console skeleton, and chop it to fit. (It was broken anyway). I've taken the plastic "walls" out to make the console a little narrower than stock. It frees up about an 1" on either side for leg room. I placed the two skeleton pieces on the hump, and positioned a piece of foam on top, and hot glued it in. I then marked and cut out the opening for the shifter bezel (Grand Am, see above).
I took it out of the car, filled in more foam, and started sanding away. I'll worry about how it mates to the subwoofer and dash once it's roughed in.
This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.
Here's the shifter bezel installed:


I always seem to have problem laying the glass down, especially over complicated surfaces. I saw on another post that someone had used spray glue to hold the glass in place, so I figured what the hey..I used a craft tack glue on the foam and cloth and stuck it together. Seemed to work rather well. I used 1.5 oz glass cloth to get the basic shape, I'll build it up with heavy cloth on the sides and mat on the top and inside.


And here it is under my hot lamps (two 500W halogen work lights) drying:


That's it for now...

Bob


Mickey_Moose (edmontonfieros@shaw.ca) MSG #115, 02-03-2007 12:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:
This one came up in another thread concerning clearance to the parking brake handle. I'm not posting this there, since this is heavily modified, but I have a good inch between the handle and the door pocket.



Hi,

Just wondering if you had any pictures of the parking brake handle with the cover off and how you bent it?

Or did you just 'exaggerate' the bends that it already had? Any issues with the release button binding??

thanks,
Tim


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #116, 02-04-2007 07:35 AM
      I did not bend the handle. It is in stock trim. I do not have pictures of it without the cover because I've never taken it off, sorry... The bendy look must be from the angle I took the picture.

Bob


pheonix97031 (culpeppm@onid.orst.edu) MSG #117, 02-06-2007 12:12 AM
      Keep going!

Anyways, have you gotten the first door panel done? What have you decided to put in the center of it, carpet, or somthing else? Also, Have you actually turned on your woofer yet? How does it sound? Also, have you considerd going with electric door poppers? Im not sure if there is a guide for it on the forum, but it would be cool! Anyways, keep us updated!!

Mike

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #118, 02-06-2007 07:24 AM
      Hi Mike...

Thanx for checking in. The garage is in a deep freeze right now. Probably won't be til spring when I can work on the doors again. But that doesn't stop progress. I wasn't that happy with how the Mazda seat turned out. So, I'm following 30+MPG's rehopolstery thread and I'm going to try to redo the Fiero seats. At least this is something I can try inside. This also allows me to match the seats to the door panels. As it stands, the center sections on the doors and seats will be red suede. The outer surfaces will be grey.
Door poppers? Hmm? That will be a decision I make once I get to the outside, but right now I have no plans. And, I'm ashamed to say, I haven't heard the stereo yet.

Bob


Chris Hodson MSG #119, 03-08-2007 04:47 AM
      BUMP!



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #120, 03-08-2007 07:49 AM
      Thanx for the lift.

No progress other than reading about custom interior upholstery and ordering more material samples.

Bob


jscott1 MSG #121, 03-08-2007 10:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

Hi Mike...

Thanx for checking in. The garage is in a deep freeze right now. Probably won't be til spring when I can work on the doors again. Bob


I forgot it's winter right now... I've been watching this thread since the beginning, keep up the good work. My goal is to get my dash re-done in time to go to the beach this weekend, it's supposed to be in the 80s.
Edit...I own page 4...whooo hooo!

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Mickey_Moose (edmontonfieros@shaw.ca) MSG #122, 03-08-2007 11:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:
I forgot it's winter right now... I've been watching this thread since the beginning, keep up the good work. My goal is to get my dash re-done in time to go to the beach this weekend, it's supposed to be in the 80s.


...oh, go away...

...at least it is getting warmer around here - but then that only means the car will have that 'new' dirty road paint color for the next few weeks.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #123, 03-28-2007 07:34 AM
      Old man Winter has released his grip on the Enchanted Mitten, and the modification seeds have taken root....

Not much done in the winter, but I have started to reupholstering my seats based upon 30+MPG's thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/066632.html

I've proven to myself I can sew (maybe) and I've ordered the material (last nite). So with a little elbow grease and some luck, I hope to have the driver's seat kicked out in a couple weeks.

We had a warm spell the other day so I got to sit in the car and ponder...I decided I didn't like the center console I was building...Too tall...So I chucked it out. I cut a new piece of foam that fits snuggly to the dash and sub woofer. It should also lower the shift bezel down to the bottom edge of the HVAC controls. I'll have to modify the bezel to get it low enough, but it shouldn't be a big deal.

More later...

Bob


TXGOOD MSG #124, 03-28-2007 08:44 AM
      Bob
Your interior is looking great.
I may use a little idea from you and Jscott1 and use firebird door panels for my build.
Mike


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #125, 03-28-2007 12:06 PM
      Mike,
You can use the hardware - handles, switches, etc, but based upon what you're doing, I'd go custom.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #126, 04-07-2007 09:53 AM
      Sneak peak on what's going on while winter returns:


Bob


jscott1 MSG #127, 04-07-2007 01:16 PM
      You are making your car into a Spider Man car? Well I'm sure if you are doing it then it will look nice.



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #128, 04-07-2007 04:14 PM
      Hmm?? Didn't think of that.

Thanx Jonathon...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #129, 04-29-2007 10:24 AM
      Little eye candy:


Bob


CoryFiero MSG #130, 06-23-2007 10:05 PM
      pumb! er um bump

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #131, 06-23-2007 11:39 PM
     

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #132, 06-24-2007 07:30 AM
      Pretty cool talent their F-I-E-R-O, but I don't think so...I probably should have moved the "Spidey" car out of the shot.

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #133, 08-05-2007 08:16 AM
      Keep from the archives bump...

o2usa (josephharty@yahoo.com) MSG #134, 09-04-2007 04:26 PM
      Nice work bob!!

This is a killer thread, look forward to more of your work,





RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #135, 09-05-2007 07:47 AM
      Thank you...The summer has been busy. I'm starting to plumb (electrical and fluids) the 4.0 and I have a mount to modify. But it is coming along...

Bob


Matthew_Fiero (matthewfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 09-07-2007 04:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

I probably should have moved the "Spidey" car out of the shot.

Bob


LOL took me a second to get..



1986GTV8 MSG #137, 10-21-2007 10:36 AM
      Just your friendly neighborhood bump from......

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #138, 01-26-2008 06:24 PM
      Been too long for an update. The cold weather has driven me indoors, and I've got the itch to get back at it, so today I dusted off the sewing machine and moved the cat off it's favorite perch. I sewed the front insert to the side bolsters, added the original back piece, and sewed the top together. It needs a little finishing work, but for all intents and purposes, the top is done.

Front:

Back:


And my helper today:


Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #139, 01-26-2008 06:26 PM
      Spidey Car makes another appearance in the background. (Note to self...Get rid of car.)

kawana (shawnyb@ymail.com) MSG #140, 01-26-2008 08:07 PM
      so whats going on with the shifter section of the center console? Great work your doing here, makes me want to try my hand at fiberglassing lol

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #141, 01-27-2008 10:48 AM
      I'm just working on the seats because it's too cold to work outside. The shifter console is back-burnered until the engine is done, or until I get stuck and need something else to do.

Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #142, 01-27-2008 01:45 PM
      Bob, I've been working in near freezing temps getting my new nose ready for tooling. You get used to the cold but the fingers get numb. So you have a spider theme for your car?

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #143, 01-28-2008 08:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Amida:

Bob, I've been working in near freezing temps getting my new nose ready for tooling. You get used to the cold but the fingers get numb. So you have a spider theme for your car?


Ahh...No! Just a bad coincidence.

I herar you about the cold, but it's been sub freezing, and that's just too cold for me. Plus I was burnt. I needed time away. But, now I'm getting back at it. I still want to make the 25'th show with a running car.

see ya...
Bob


vortecfiero (vortecfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #144, 01-28-2008 06:26 PM
      where did you find the dual guage panel wrapped around the steering column ? that is cool !



dobey MSG #145, 02-03-2008 03:26 PM
      He made it!
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...2/HTML/043545-6.html

 
quote
Originally posted by vortecfiero:

where did you find the dual guage panel wrapped around the steering column ? that is cool !







jscott1 MSG #146, 02-03-2008 03:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:



I haven't visited this thread in a while, I thought this was real.



dobey MSG #147, 02-25-2008 04:15 PM
      Bump!

Did you ever finish the door panels? Got any finished/upholstered pics of them? What speakers did you opt to go for in the doors?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #148, 02-25-2008 05:12 PM
      Ashamed to say: nothing to speak of...Keep tuned in when the weather improves...

Bob


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #149, 08-02-2008 08:03 AM
      UPDATE!!!
I tried to get a lot done to make the 25'th, but it didn't happen. So, the next best thing...

My original intent on the doors was to have a two piece design, where the upolstered center section was seperate from the rest. As seen here:


After many months of letting this brew in the back of my head, I came to the conclusion that this was a stupid idea, so I glassed the center back in. Then I made a template out of cardboard for the center piece.:



I used the template to cutout a backer board made from the back of a poster frame. It is about 1/16" thick press-board. I attached it the the door panel using 7 X-mas tree fasteners spread over the panel. I covered the outside of the panel (and the tops of the X-mas tree fasteners) with 1/4" medium density foam. I used Permatex Headliner and carpet adhesive for the job. Worked really well:



I used the red tweed that I'm using on the seats to cover the center. everything was glued into place, and I stretched the material over the edges, then glued and stapled it into place. i trimmed the excess material to flatten it out.



The door pull/armrest was mounted from behid using large screws. The speaker cover/pouch was placed into position to ensure a proper fit.


I mounted the speaker cover/pouch by driving screws up from behind around the speaker, and screws inside the pouch area into the ring. An area of concern was how to hold the back into place, flush with the ring. I solved the problem by using the Fiero tabs from the original door panels. I notched the plastic so the covers would snap on, then used it to cover a screw that would hold the pouch down.



I then painted all of the accessories black. And with a couple little issues, got everything mounted.



I misplaced the light, so I'll have to find and mount that later.

Next on the menu will be re-wiring the instrument cluster to work with the new engine, and the center console, in no particular order.

Bob

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Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #150, 08-02-2008 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:




Looks real good Bob. Is that the original fiero panel underneath?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #151, 08-02-2008 01:33 PM
      Thanx Rob...Yes it is. It was sliced and re-glassed to make it smooth and fill in holes.

Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #152, 10-27-2008 10:36 AM
      what's the latest on this project?

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #153, 10-27-2008 11:38 AM
      Hi Rob, Thanx for checking in.

The spring and summer saw me do a lot of work on the engine, so much so that I was burnt out by the fall. I finished the one door panel, and started some "special" speaker pods, which I have not unveiled, yet. I've also torn out the front suspension to refurbish and upgrade, so that's on the radar, too.

I'm passively trying to locate a temporary drivers seat to put in until the upholstery is done. no real hurry, though.

Bob


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #154, 10-27-2008 07:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


I'm passively trying to locate a temporary drivers seat to put in until the upholstery is done. no real hurry, though.

Bob


You could probably find a cheap temporary seat at a wrecker.



Foxy Fiero13 MSG #155, 10-27-2008 08:47 PM
      where did you get the speaker pods for the doors from??

RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #156, 10-28-2008 10:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Foxy Fiero13:

where did you get the speaker pods for the doors from??


They are part of the original Firebird door skins, as is the handle and the controls.

Bob


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #157, 10-28-2008 10:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Foxy Fiero13:

where did you get the speaker pods for the doors from??
think i mght have an extra pare if you want them ill se eif i still have them



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #158, 12-25-2008 09:57 AM
      I think the seat project will continue soon:
[img]https://www.tuffsew.com/images/tuffsew200022aLarge.jpg[/img]
My new industrial strength sewing machine for Christmas...

Bob

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Sharkman MSG #159, 12-25-2008 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:


Nice work.
I did not get true Swedish inspection with mine. It was in the way for the E brake handle they said.

Had to start over.




Kyle1016 (i_like_fieros@yahoo.com) MSG #160, 12-25-2008 10:39 PM
      Man, quit slacking and finish it already! The weathers been great anyways

any updates?


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #161, 12-26-2008 08:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kyle1016:

Man, quit slacking and finish it already! The weathers been great anyways

any updates?


Merry Christmas Kyle. Nothin special going on, just rebuilding the front suspension and hanging shelves.

Bob


fieroboy_gt (fieroboy_gt@yahoo.com) MSG #162, 10-19-2010 07:20 PM
      Anything new on this

Sourmug MSG #163, 10-19-2010 09:59 PM
      Yeah!

Nolan


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #164, 10-20-2010 09:02 AM
      Nothing to post...been working on the exterior/fascia and Halloween decorations.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/076365-3.html

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RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #165, 05-30-2016 08:23 PM
      Back from the dead...

 
quote
Originally posted by RCR:

No problem, Wayne.

Something new arrived for future mods (if they fit).



Bob



C7 seats do not fit. They looked so good, I couldn't tear them up. So...



RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #166, 05-30-2016 09:00 PM
      ....How about 2015 Cadillac ATS seats?




These seats have more of the GM standard size base (ie like the Fiero), So I'm gonna try to make it work.
And it kind of fits....


After countless hours, I managed to completely disassemble the seats. The hard part was removing all of the extra brackets from the rails. The seats are much easier to handle when naked.




Several challenges still lie ahead. Mounting the seat frame to the rails. It will need to be removable. Second item is the power adjust. The rails are about 3" closer together than on the ATS, so the adjuster motor and frame needs to magically shrink. Then there is the wiring. These seats have full power and features. I've had to eliminate the power height adjust, but I think I can salvage the rest.

No idea when I'll get more done, but I wanted to show some progress.

Bob




Neils88 (nellerin@dal.ca) MSG #167, 05-31-2016 07:46 PM
      Love the new seats Bob!

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #168, 06-04-2016 02:33 PM
      Nice seats Bob. Don't forget how to put 'em back together.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #169, 06-10-2016 09:42 PM
      Most of my challenges were met.

I mounted the seats to the power rails and made the rails removable.

The power assist for the forward/reverse was modified. I still need a shorter square drive, but they look to be available.

As for wiring, I managed to remember where most everything went, but I have not attempted to connect it into the car. That will wait until I get back into interior mode.

Still some challenges. I think it's still sitting too high for my 6 foot upper body. My head hits the roof. And there's still mounting the switches and all of the wiring. And lastly duplicating it on the passenger side. As for now, I need to take advantage of the weather and work on other things, so this is put on the backburner.





Bob