"concept GTR" dash build-up...Fie Ro style! ;)
Topic started by: Fie Ro, Date: 10-30-2004 01:28 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000035.html


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #1, 10-30-2004 01:28 PM
      Some time ago I started try out some dash ideas in 3D. I was (am) looking for an updated version of the modular fiero dash. Not something completely different but a new millenium interpretation of the stock dash. And some retro accents made with modern materials....I guess I want to achieve a classy+modern look at the same time...uhhh.
Anyway, These are the lastest 3D renderings I did:


Now the time has come to get to work!
Those who played with LEGO (or still do!) might recognize my build-up concept.... many simple pieces are used to build a final model. I guess I am going crazy with PVC tubing. It's cheap and it comes in many sizes and accessories so I will use a lot of those to build the basic shape of the mockups...





Mr. Pat (patrickspratt@live.com) MSG #2, 10-30-2004 01:42 PM
      Do you plan on making a mold and selling it? It is SHARP!! I love it, looks like a spaceship!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #3, 10-30-2004 01:43 PM
      Heres todays mockup. Little ideas pop up fast...

This was a very "loose" setup hehe, dont touch anything Everything has to be cut down and trimmed before I can "group" them and smooth them but a rough mockup really helps in taking decisions about getting it right.

I already got some straight woven Carbon Fiber some time ago but since of today I have the choice of 2 different styles

No there's no "triple" theme....!


DotTC MSG #4, 10-30-2004 02:01 PM
      My thoughts have been 'weird' on some of the mods you've done.. but that dash has always been cool imo Good Job



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #5, 10-30-2004 02:17 PM
      OMG, that looks AMAZING! I hope my car comes out as good as your stuff! You have some of the best ideas! lol I was planning on using pcv tubing for my tail lights that I am creating.. Never thought of using it for the interior! Crazy stuff man! + to you, keep it up!



WS63100FIEROGT (will_eng@sympatico.ca) MSG #6, 10-30-2004 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
No there's no "triple" theme....!

U shold do triple exaust tips too.



Kohburn MSG #7, 10-30-2004 06:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Heres todays mockup. Little ideas pop up fast...

build off the fieor dash - BRILLIANT [/guinness]

looking good - i want to see more since this is similar to the route i plan to take

pavo_roddy MSG #8, 10-30-2004 07:09 PM
      Hi all,

Lookin good!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #9, 10-31-2004 07:48 AM
      After all that boring sanding on the body it is really fun to build something from scratch again.
Cut about an inch from the upper MDF for better looks, theres still room for a serious glovebox in there

A cut duplicate on the other side is easily made because the main dash has the same curves on both sides. With the upper vent mockup:


Work goes quite fast this way! Doing some homework before getting to work really pays off right now.


BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #10, 10-31-2004 08:57 AM
      Very cool, can't wait to see your design being built! Geez, yet another one of your threads that I'm adding to my favourites...

Brad

Phantom-Fiero MSG #11, 10-31-2004 09:19 AM
      X 2 and a +

John

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #12, 10-31-2004 10:01 AM
      Thanks! sharing it is fun for me too
Just trimmed the upper pieces:


I plan to mount an unlock button for the glovebox in the middle tube. I hope I can find one that fits.


wetpoop (robertbiddinger@yahoo.com) MSG #13, 10-31-2004 12:33 PM
      You should have a good market for this dash if you decide to sell it. That is, if you don't try to retire off of it. Looks very nice, I like it alot

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #14, 10-31-2004 01:35 PM
      Selling parts is not high on the list right now, I want to finish the body+interior first before seriously thinking about selling kits. There are always changes before it is finished. I might want to outsource any serious production because I want quality products and service before promising anything...

I DO think about making every part compatible with the stock fiero mountings and lines though. And this fiero is still my daily driver so being able to mockup and replace parts and panels fast is important too. Thats why I build the dash in several sections, the mockups can be removed within a minute.

TwoTimer (raycooper2@yahoo.com) MSG #15, 10-31-2004 07:41 PM
      Just wanted to say all of your work on your car has been great. I cant wait to see a couple coats of paint on that thing. A +



datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #16, 10-31-2004 08:09 PM
      Still wish you would angle the center gauges towards the driver.. about 15 degrees would be sharp IMHO.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #17, 11-01-2004 05:47 AM
      I will keep the gauge housing at a straight angle BUT I might angle the gauges themselves in the housing.....These mockup pipes are 80mm diameter and the gauges will be 52mm so theres some room to play with the angle when I get to it. I havent decided yet, I will do that after trying out and see what works/looks best....

Fiero Finale MSG #18, 11-01-2004 06:15 AM
      Well if you want the guage housing straight still. Then I would have the guages angled themself like you said, and w/e angle you have the guages themself, also trip the actual guage housing that much too. If you get what I mean..Either way good work Fie Ro.

Sharkman MSG #19, 11-01-2004 06:18 AM
      Nice work.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #20, 11-03-2004 02:15 PM
      I have searched for quite some time but it looks I have found someone who sells a set of Audi TT vents.

He has only 3 of them so now I am going to use only 2 ! this forces me to stay really close to the concept in a funny way (square middle vents in the 3D model)\
Theres slow progress on the mockup these days but I hope to post some updates soon.


Kohburn MSG #21, 11-03-2004 02:25 PM
      why audi? there are a lot of cars with round vents that you could borrow from

like http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34206&item=2498051703&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33695&item=7931625591&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42612&item=7932112073&rd=1

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #22, 11-03-2004 02:37 PM
      these are round but they don't add style.

Kohburn MSG #23, 11-03-2004 02:46 PM
      how about the vents from the 01-04 tiburon

you can get chrome trim rings for em

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #24, 11-03-2004 02:54 PM
      I like new ideas but I havent found any better looking vents than those on Madcurl's car so I am getting those too. Credits to him. That dash is the best inspiration for my build-up anyway! Thanks
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Kohburn MSG #25, 11-03-2004 03:00 PM
      i try to help - the hyundai vents with the chrom trim look almost the same as the audi once except the tab in the center isn't chrome...



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #26, 11-03-2004 03:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:

how about the vents from the 01-04 tiburon

you can get chrome trim rings for em

These DO look good! Its just you have to be lucky to find those basic parts from a hard-to-find "new" donor car.....I am just happy I found the TT vents because they will blend nicely with the rest of the setup...

dgmp123 MSG #27, 11-03-2004 03:35 PM
      I just wanted to let you know that some Ford Expeditions have the round vents with the silver rings around them. You might be able to find those easier and cheaper.
David


fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #28, 11-04-2004 01:22 AM
      Bump to page one



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #29, 11-04-2004 03:01 PM
      I did an angled gauge tryout a few days ago. Trying to angle the housing and centering the bezel:

Inward/outward comparison:


Hmmm.I still am not really convinced to angle them...
Some work on the dash part:


After the last pic and testfitting I had to angle the front pieces about 15 degrees to fit right. Now I can finish the frame and start with the glovebox cover.


Kohburn MSG #30, 11-04-2004 03:08 PM
      do inboard - it'll reduce any glare

Deabionni (deabionni@gmail.com) MSG #31, 11-04-2004 03:20 PM
      Looks great! Adding this thread to my favorites.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #32, 11-04-2004 04:15 PM
      Rough mockup of the rounding for the glovebox:


I guess only about 10% of the time is put into fabbing...testfitting, thinking,looking, sketching,planning takes up the rest.
Right now I am dedicated to free my fridge of all the beer


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #33, 11-04-2004 04:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


I guess only about 10% of the time is put into fabbing...testfitting, thinking,looking, sketching,planning takes up the rest.
Right now I am dedicated to free my fridge of all the beer

more beer = more looking, less doing



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #34, 11-04-2004 05:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfixit58:
more beer = more looking, less doing

Absolutely right! Thats why everything takes soooooo much time...
This is the last job done for today, before getting beat by the fridge..



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #35, 11-04-2004 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I like new ideas but I havent found any better looking vents than those on Madcurl's car so I am getting those too. Credits to him. That dash is the best inspiration for my build-up anyway! Thanks
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Thanks for the compliment. My next vents will be from the 2005 Mustang. Are they better looking than the Audi vents? I'd say it's a toss-up. The Mustang are chromed w/o ridges in them.

You can get the Audi TT vent at a local Audi dealership. I couldn't wait around for a wrecked Audi 2003, so I bought them for $55 buck a piece. I have the part number if you want it?

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #36, 11-06-2004 11:58 AM
      I had a peek at a parked audi TT today...wow those vents DO look good! Now I am also sure I want the chrome shifter ring too! Guess I looked a bit suspicious peeking in the car so I kept it short

Yeah post the partnumber please, I hope I dont need it but others may want to know...

I am hoping to get a set of 3 (I will use only 2) for about $40! But I havent had a response yet to the last email....hmm

some more buildup pics later...

edit:spelling

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #37, 11-06-2004 02:04 PM
      Putting the glovebox shape together...


And another testfit:




Right now there are some parts that can be glued together and I cant wait to get everything smoothed! I was going to use the 2part expanding foam stuff but I still get the basic shapes just right with these materials...


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #38, 11-06-2004 03:40 PM
      photoshop impression:


Fiero~Spataro (alexspataro@rogers.com) MSG #39, 11-07-2004 02:10 AM
      so...friggen...cool! cant wait to see the final product! a+



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #40, 11-07-2004 09:36 AM
      Some sunday afternoon progress :
Made a frontcover today:

Another testfit:

gained some gloveboxspace there..:

The glovebox door is glued together.When the glue has dried I will start to smooth it.



roys88fiero (musclemachinegt@aol.com) MSG #41, 11-07-2004 10:23 AM
      Man, that looks totally sick! Mad props to you and a + for turning all your hardwork/planning into a reality. I hope to see some more pics of your GTR dash build soon! BTW keep up the good work, id buy u a beer but im not old enough and you wouldnt get anything done
-Roy



shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #42, 11-07-2004 10:50 AM
      Your progress looks really good. I have to agree that the TT vents do look really good. Those are what I'm going to use on my custom dash (whenever I get around to finishing it ) Anyways, I found them online for $50 shipped. I can't find the website right now, but if I do, I'll post it. The cool thing about the TT vents, the outside ring is actually metal, and twisting it opens and closes the vents. Really cool. Good luck. I can't wait to see it finished.

Kris

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #43, 11-07-2004 05:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by shop_rat45:
The cool thing about the TT vents, the outside ring is actually metal, and twisting it opens and closes the vents. Really cool.

Hey, I didnt knew they work like that! nice info I already wondered why the housing looked a bit big/long from a picture, I guess I do have to cut the maindash a little sometime....

I had a rough idea for the midconsole vent but during the day something better came up
Piece of junk aluminium

Now this was fun and very rewarding...!


Now I will need some of that mesh in the windscreen vent as well...



fierce_gt MSG #44, 11-08-2004 02:31 AM
      looks awesome so far. i have only two questions
how much weight does this add?
will it be removable?
plus for you!


AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #45, 11-08-2004 05:05 AM
      Looking good!
Keep up the great work.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #46, 11-08-2004 05:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierce_gt:

looks awesome so far. i have only two questions
how much weight does this add?
will it be removable?
plus for you!

These are only mockups, I will make molds and fiberglass/CF products so they will be light. I am planning to make it bolton as much as possible but a little trimming might be required in the vents areas as the audi vents appear to be quite deep. Theres no molding to the main dash, it should click/bolt in when finished. I try to use the stock brackets for mounting....

fierce_gt MSG #47, 11-08-2004 03:07 PM
      sounds awesome. i wasn't sure where you were going with all the mdf

IaMtHeRuThLeSs1 (iamtheruthless1@aol.com) MSG #48, 11-08-2004 03:40 PM
      wow, looks friggin awesome. I'm amazed at some of the creativity on this forum.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #49, 11-08-2004 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierce_gt:

sounds awesome. i wasn't sure where you were going with all the mdf

Lol. All the mdf went in/outside the car many times...Since its flammable and testfitted in a Fire-o.....see the red bottle?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #50, 11-08-2004 07:23 PM
     

Fie ro if u are going to tell me this is still your daily driver, i am going to call you a modifying master !

Is it ?

Great job by the way.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #51, 11-09-2004 03:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Fie ro if u are going to tell me this is still your daily driver, i am going to call you a modifying master !
Is it ?
Great job by the way.

You can call me a modifying master then! lol
I fact every morning I briefly check if the fiero is complete, before driving to work
Sometime ago I got a ticket for "malfunctioning front turnlights", well I had no excuse, they simply were not there at all! Good thing about it being a daily driver is you learn to think about how to mount parts before you even build them...Designing parts is only half of the job, making them work and fit easy is the other half of the job...!
I was going to get a spare dash for the mods but this still works great. I guess I will look around for a set of used stock doorpieces though when I get to do them.


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #52, 11-09-2004 07:59 PM
      stupid laws... who needs turn signals ???

Jake_Dragon MSG #53, 11-09-2004 08:04 PM
      No lights watch for finger.

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #54, 11-11-2004 01:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
No lights watch for finger.

I guess I showed the wrong finger to the cop!

Started the bondo+sanding thingie on the glovebox pieces:


It will need much more bondo+sanding but the final shape is slowly coming
another testfit/mockup:

* ...dreaming of a "heated" garage, its getting cold!...*


Fiero STS (onesupermech@netscape.net) MSG #55, 11-11-2004 03:09 PM
      You can use my heated garage if you build me a dash !!! I have a wood shop too.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #56, 11-21-2004 11:47 AM
      Finally some progress.....and some pics
Started smoothing some parts:


Looks like the glovebox door will be the first candidate for a mold, now it only needs wetsanding and waxing.

I think I will do the final product in the (upper style) CF:

And I put this reminder in the garage today so I dont get sidetracked But luckily I still manage to stay close to the original concept!



yellowstone MSG #57, 11-21-2004 01:19 PM
      Great stuff. Good talking to you today! Looking forward too seeing it in person. I found something interesting in the car museum we went to in Holland today - watch my post!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #58, 11-21-2004 02:30 PM
      Just read it. Cool find! Looks like you had some fun today. If I knew earlier you were going I would have driven to Eindhoven to meet and have a nice day. Oh well no one expected the nice weather today.....and you called before I had my coffee so I didnt thought about that!



Kohburn MSG #59, 11-22-2004 08:21 AM
      glad to see some progress on this.. keep the pics flowing

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #60, 11-27-2004 08:23 PM
      update???



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #61, 11-27-2004 10:35 PM
      Sorry! Lots of sanding and smoothing lately (actually I did some of the work in my kitchen because it was freezing in my garage ), I only have this pic of today:

This is also becoming the startingpoint for the midconsole shape!
I removed some parts around the shifter. If you remove another small metal bracket theres a nice space between shifter and radio for one "recessed" cupholder ......not my cup of tea but it is good to know theres some space to put "something" there when needed
Looked at the location of the window switches, guess they need some relocation but they will be hidden for sure with my plans...
And please let someone stop me stripping the interior of my daily driver....!



oneblack85gt (a67z4me@aol.com) MSG #62, 11-30-2004 07:15 PM
      hmm...it'd be awesome if...somewhere in there you used some air struts! like for hoods and stuff, only much smaller/weaker ones. maybe on something like the glovebox, instead of a cord to keep it from going to far down. figured it would be a kinda new/old look...i think.

mike

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #63, 12-01-2004 12:32 PM
      You read my mind! Yes I need something to push out the glovebox door when unlocked because theres no knob to pull it open. Yeah I thought about a "tiny small little" gasstrut on both sides.....but does someone make them?? I really would like to know where to find them....thanks for making me think about that again



Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #64, 12-01-2004 12:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

You read my mind! Yes I need something to push out the glovebox door when unlocked because theres no knob to pull it open. Yeah I thought about a "tiny small little" gasstrut on both sides.....but does someone make them?? I really would like to know where to find them....thanks for making me think about that again

I saw something like that on the airplane yesterday when storing my bag in the overhead compartment. The struts were tiny and obviously had an internal spring and some sort of damping (I assume air or hydraulic). I thought they were pretty compact and would be neat, but they didn't have nearly enough force for something I would be doing. I can't recall the name of the company on the ones I saw yesterday, but something to keep in mind. One of them would be enough to get the job done.

Bryce
88 GT


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #65, 12-01-2004 01:27 PM
      Bryce: great! Now I got to think they may be used in busses or trucks too...But I got another idea (thanks to you and oneblack85gt!) : what about using a modified electric antenna?! One touch on the button and the glovebox electrically opens or closes! Cool
I am getting mad in here....!


Kohburn MSG #66, 12-01-2004 01:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Bryce: great! Now I got to think they may be used in busses or trucks too...But I got another idea (thanks to you and oneblack85gt!) : what about using a modified electric antenna?! One touch on the button and the glovebox electrically opens or closes! Cool
I am getting mad in here....!

just use some muscle wire actuators.. great for 12vdc aplications - http://www.robotstore.com/download/EPiston_Instr_V12.pdf

or just an RC servo -

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #67, 12-01-2004 02:56 PM
      LOL I guess I will end up butchering 2 robot arms from a cheap toy robot

Uhh...last attempt to post some pics!
Progress on the interior:

Hehe, less means more! I am getting to build the midconsole. The subbox is out too now and I have to relocate the window buttons for a while because they interfere with the mockup right now. Still a daily driver!
I needed the diameter of the chrome shifter ring (audi TT) to make the drawings on the MDF and I ended up visiting an Audi dealership around here today. I was allowed to take a seat in a brandnew roadster TT to take some measurements! The guy at the parts desk helped me with some partnumbers and prices (ough!),but they were very helpfull. And I can do some more work now


In line with the concept I will use a 1/4 of the 32mm pvc tubing for the rounding of the edge of this piece...and then theres a lot more buildup to do



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #68, 12-03-2004 01:47 PM
      I did a nice discovery: I tried fitting the MDF with the stock window controls still there

Looks with some minor adjustments I can keep the stock window buttons setup

I need a new shifter knob too Next step will be shaping the upper part, the window buttons will be hidden and I will try to add a small storage space under the armrest.....


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #69, 12-03-2004 02:52 PM
      Why not take the oppertunity to upgrade the window and mirror switches to something nicer? Like something illuminated? I believe that the Pontiac Gran Prix had the red illuminated switches. Even if you're going to hid them, it's nice seeing them when it's dark.

Roy

Kohburn MSG #70, 12-03-2004 02:54 PM
      yeah the stock window switches are so simple its almost stupid - replace replace replace.. all you really need is some double pole double throw momentary rocker switches -- but automotive switches would be ideal

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #71, 12-03-2004 03:33 PM
      Sorry, I thought this would making a swap easier.....oh well, I trashed and burned it all now
Seriously, you got some good points: I will make a plain shape in that area so it is possible to make any cut for the choosen (custom) setup. Since I have been surfing like crazy for matching gauges and vents I really dont know which interesting window buttons are available right now...please post em!


Sunflash (zachary.s.sherman@gmail.com) MSG #72, 12-03-2004 04:23 PM
      I'm not sure what the part number is but Radio Shack had some rotary swithches that were DP/DT momentaries that were silver and shaped kinda like the Audi vents that I saw a few monthes ago but I don't know if they still have them. If they made them than they can or some one else probably does to.

my pride (dogge@live.nl) MSG #73, 12-05-2004 05:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I did a nice discovery: I tried fitting the MDF with the stock window controls still there

Looks with some minor adjustments I can keep the stock window buttons setup

I need a new shifter knob too Next step will be shaping the upper part, the window buttons will be hidden and I will try to add a small storage space under the armrest.....

mooi gedaan man echt top

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #74, 12-06-2004 04:29 PM
      Some bits and pieces... :
started to take a mold of the glovebox door ( I hope to get "something" right the first time this time ) Tinted the resin with a grey paste, it makes it easier to check the shape of the final mold but it is also hard to see trapped airbubbles in the layup...

Cut another "layer" for the midconsole

I trimmed the lower piece inner edges to make it more "mold-friendly" ...( every step means looking forward a few steps ahead everytime...!) But they will be covered anyway by the upper pieces when those are finished.

Just got the basic shape of another layer done and did some "powerfile" shaping around the edges

Still lots of work to do but its getting some shape....

my pride: dankjewel !

HighPowered MSG #75, 12-06-2004 05:40 PM
      wow.. It must be nice to have some talent like that... I can play NBA Live for 9 hours straight, that's about the extent of my talent.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #76, 12-06-2004 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HighPowered:
wow.. It must be nice to have some talent like that... I can play NBA Live for 9 hours straight, that's about the extent of my talent.

well uh...If you have some ideas, just try to achieve them...! I am just trying out mine and trying to anticipate with anything that pops up....



Kohburn MSG #77, 12-06-2004 08:42 PM
      well FieRo - you've deffinately inspired me - i've started cutting the foam off a stock dash to use the plastic support structer as the base for a custom dash - i'll be going the mdf ring and stretched felt route

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #78, 12-06-2004 09:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

well uh...If you have some ideas, just try to achieve them...! I am just trying out mine and trying to anticipate with anything that pops up....

That IS THE TRUTH!!
You must have a goal or a idea of what you are trying to acomplish in the end!

Looking great Fie,...
I picked up a 355 nose yesterday that is going to be modded with front brake cooler's on the side and a different driving light position(inspired by kmunsons front facia)..
I need you to talk to me about making a mold that huge for the nose..?? I am shorting the top and front! Looking alot better!
anyways back to topic...

How did the glovebox turnout..??

Steve



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #79, 12-07-2004 03:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotAFieroAnyLonger:
I need you to talk to me about making a mold that huge for the nose..?? I am shorting the top and front! Looking alot better!

Hey Steve, I only did some rough one-off molds of the bumpers...but I think it is wise to add some riggid wooden frame to keep the mold from warping. You can win some space for a short nose+lights by removing the front iron bumper support (4 bolts)....so where are the pics of your chop? or is it still a secret?

I got an email from "Paul" ( I dont know his username) and he had some nice suggestions, thanks!
One of them: window buttons from a 2005 Mercedes slk I finally found a good pic:

The doorhandle is also close to my plans and it got some gears turning.......
I guess these switches will be hard to find so I wonder what else is already out there....post em


Kohburn MSG #80, 12-07-2004 03:36 PM
      FieRo - why not make molds of how you want them to look - then cast them from high clarity epoxy resin - then mask off the symbols and paint.. drill a hole in the backside and stick an LED in it - will light up

you could probably even use stock fiero switches with new buttons since they are very simple and easy to disassemble

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #81, 12-07-2004 03:51 PM
      LOL! I havent thought about that option.....I first laughed when I read it but right now....uhm...thinking about it.....yeah that would be really cool!! You're crazy too I wonder how your project turns out!

edit: note: I own page 3!

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Kohburn MSG #82, 12-08-2004 07:47 AM
      lol yeah - i have more ideas than time to do em - i just need to retire in my 20's and i'll be set

i may have the 3.4tdc cam timing tool prototyped before Christmas

Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #83, 12-08-2004 09:01 AM
      This is an awesom right up I cant wait to see the finished product.



Kohburn MSG #84, 12-08-2004 01:01 PM
      some more switch options are at
http://www.aplusperformance.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=35_94

some illuminated and some not




and some billet aluminum

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NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #85, 12-08-2004 01:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


edit: note: I own page 3!

Did you forget that this is YOUR thread..?? {giggles}



Kohburn MSG #86, 12-09-2004 07:53 AM
      i think i found my vents



Sharkman MSG #87, 12-09-2004 09:08 AM
      Nice, from what car are those?

Kohburn MSG #88, 12-09-2004 09:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sharkman:

Nice, from what car are those?

ford f-150

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #89, 12-09-2004 06:37 PM
      Kohburn
those are sweet! how much..??


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #90, 12-10-2004 03:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:
and some billet aluminum


this one looked the best...I also like these:

But I am still tempted to use some of these...:

Simple, heavy duty and rather cheap....



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #91, 12-10-2004 05:34 PM
      Some other things that are on my wishlist...

I emailed some sellers of these but still no response...grr


It should look like this when I get one:

Should be close because I measured the diameter in a brandnew roadster TT


Kohburn MSG #92, 12-13-2004 07:04 AM
      nice shifter boot -

Kohburn MSG #93, 12-17-2004 01:10 PM
      need updates!!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #94, 12-20-2004 06:01 PM
      Sorry, I am down under in Kiwiland right now!
You need to be patience for a few weeks.....!


Kohburn MSG #95, 01-03-2005 09:07 AM
      a few weeks? sigh - guess I should go work on MY car then

AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #96, 01-14-2005 05:44 PM
      I DEMAND an update with lots of pics.

NOW!!!!!!

lol lookin good!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #97, 01-17-2005 03:27 PM
      double double

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #98, 01-17-2005 03:42 PM
      Ok...ok...ok. I am back in my kitchen
and I found some leftovers to start cooking again..

....right now I have to find out what the heck I was planning with the rest of the pieces...


Kohburn MSG #99, 01-17-2005 03:44 PM
      I think you should stop screwin around with the vents and finish that dash

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AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #100, 01-17-2005 10:31 PM
      I think you should post more pictures of any part of the dash....Becuz I'm lovin it!

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #101, 01-17-2005 11:44 PM
      Just get busy!!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #102, 01-19-2005 06:59 PM
      Not much work on the dash itself but still some progress...!
Finally I got a response and a quote from a seller of these gauges:

I hope I can order a set within a few days!
Trying to line up the parts and ideas for the ventpods mockup....

I am still looking for 2 audi TT vents...hard to find, even around here...
Now I've also been looking quite a long time for a nice "recovering" of the reused stock main dash. A molded shiny CF cover would be cool but any shiny dash would reflect too much in the windshield. So I went looking for some other materials and finally got this from a local car upholstery shop today:

I got enough of the black vinyl stuff to play with I wasnt too sure when I got it but it looks like it will match well with the other materials in the end...




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #103, 01-21-2005 04:39 PM
      some photoshopping on one of my pics....and new ideas just keep coming..! this one could easily become reality


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #104, 01-23-2005 02:49 PM
      Back to the drawing board...literally...need to glue some pieces back into place soon




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #105, 01-23-2005 02:58 PM
     

The teardrop aluminium sheet is planned to be used at both lower sides of the midconsole tunnel...

...slowwwwly the plan comes together..


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #106, 01-23-2005 03:10 PM
      What plan?

yellowstone MSG #107, 01-23-2005 04:39 PM
      Your plan. And if you still don't have one you better hurry because I want to see molds made... :-)
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

What plan?



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 01-23-2005 06:00 PM
      Better get to it! Only 200 more hours Old Punk! lol, Lets see who finishes first, your interior, or my body kit. When do you think u'll be done?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #109, 01-24-2005 01:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Custom2M4:

Better get to it! Only 200 more hours Old Punk! lol, Lets see who finishes first, your interior, or my body kit. When do you think u'll be done?

I'll take all the time I need...untill its right..hehe.. 200 hours Is Just Not Enough!
Anyway, My interior will be finished faster than my exterior, and my exterior will be finished faster than your exterior...
my daily driver today:


3.8T (eurasian1@rogers.com) MSG #110, 01-24-2005 03:27 PM
      lookin good on the dash so far ?



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #111, 01-24-2005 04:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


I'll take all the time I need...untill its right..hehe.. 200 hours Is Just Not Enough!
Anyway, My interior will be finished faster than my exterior, and my exterior will be finished faster than your exterior...
my daily driver today:

Well when your right, your right.. I dont think I will ever be done my exterior.. Who wants to finish when there is always something better to add! Just need more time... lol



AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #112, 01-24-2005 06:09 PM
      That car would be one of the few IMHO that would look good with a quality chop top. Someone please photoshop that for me, cuz it'd look sweet!!!



Nebiros88 MSG #113, 01-24-2005 07:09 PM
      Orig.

Chop

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #114, 01-25-2005 02:52 PM
      Thanks for the effort but pleazz....no choptop for me... In a way I already did a visual chop by making "lower sitting" bodypanels so proportional the upper section has gotten smaller...oh well ...anyway:
To me right now my fiero has the right dimensions so I will keep it that way.

I like "original" fastback chops the best....Sharkman's from sweden is a good example!

AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #115, 01-25-2005 05:26 PM
      I'm torn. The chop makes the back end look really big, especially the wheels and tires...But form the back wheel forward it looks sweet!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #116, 01-26-2005 01:19 PM
      This is the weather nowadays....

Even basic work isnt too much fun right now...but still a few ideas are getting shape right now...

A bit of recycling...I might be able to reuse the mirror adjuster thingie:

Ow great,...my midconsole is starting to look like a PS2 controller right now! ...... groovy

Getting to shape the vent housing....

first mockup of some rough parts:

thinking in layers..pfff..and thinking of different materials for the final parts...hmmm

brrr

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #117, 01-26-2005 03:31 PM
      getting a bit closer to the final shape...more later..:


...looks like it started to fit the theme already..



bryson MSG #118, 01-26-2005 04:29 PM
      Incredible...



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #119, 01-28-2005 03:16 PM
      some progress:


especially the armrest needs some reshaping to do..

working on the vent mockup parts:

bryson: thanks! The same thing applies to your engine buildup, I watched most of it..!

David Bartlett (dlb@cogeco.ca) MSG #120, 01-28-2005 03:51 PM
      Looking good! I do have a question. Are you taking molds off the MDF or are you covering it with a filler and painting? And if you are, are you worried about it cracking?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #121, 01-28-2005 04:20 PM
      I use the mdf for the basic shape, then I will use bondo/filler/primer and losts of sanding and waxing later.....then take a mold. this time I want to skip painting the mockups because I had a lot of problems with the (automotive) paints I have used so far...still learning to make a perfect mold I guess...

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Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #122, 01-28-2005 04:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I use the mdf for the basic shape, then I will use bondo/filler/primer and losts of sanding and waxing later.....this time I want to skip painting because I had a lot of problems with the (automotive) paints I have used so far...still learning to make a perfect mold I guess...

Still looks good, you need to finish already , what do you do for a living anyways? Ohh and you missed the... I OWN PAGE 4 remark .. just a thought

mr.tourismo (m.tourismo@mail.streetracing.org) MSG #123, 01-28-2005 07:54 PM
      WOW!!!! keep up the great work! what carrer are you in?? a carpenter or something?? sounds like if ur job is ur fiero

Alex

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #124, 01-29-2005 10:53 AM
      lol, no I am not a carpenter, I just like to build the many ideas that keep coming from my sick brain...

My actual job is in broadcast television, doing graphics and leader design...In my spare time I like to use my hands and build my dreamcar I guess..

I will have some update pics later today...

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #125, 01-29-2005 12:17 PM
      I will mold the venthousing seperately so I can make two identical parts for both sides of the dash....a mockup to check the mods on the passengerside part:

this is a bit distorted pic because of the wideangle...all vertical lines match up in real life :

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #126, 01-29-2005 05:03 PM
      Another little change that came up today: trying out some things with a piece of pvc..this is a bit too much :

..but...
...I was planning some straight tubing on top of the vents but now this really looks ok to me...!..:


hmmm..never finished.


David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #127, 01-29-2005 07:12 PM
      Well, so far all I can say is WOW. Btw that tapered piece will look very cool when everything is bondoed smooth.
I thought you were an engineer or maybe just real anal. Lol. Seriously though your work is nothing short of incredible. I look forward to reading this thread. Oh almost forgot. I have a friend in the Netherlands....he lives in Wormerveer and has NEVER owned a car.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #128, 01-29-2005 07:34 PM
      Lol, I have no aspirations into being anal....brr
A few lessons I have learned from doing my bodywork is you have to make many changes and improvise many times....with this dashbuildup approach I am still able to stick to "a" plan and having room for adjustments where needed...Plus the detailing will be important in the end too...oh well I guess this wont work


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #129, 01-30-2005 04:05 PM
      smoothing the midconsole panel:

and the armrest:

getting shape...


Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #130, 01-30-2005 06:11 PM
      All your sweet mockup ideas are making me think of the possibilities of taking the MDF parts and PVC and copying them in fine wood and carbon fiber tubes. Skeletonizing the layers of wood so you would actually assemble it in the vehicle in layers with cloth and foam on the surfaces you want soft. It sure wouldn't be light, but the design work you've done is so rich looking that I think it would look amazing actually done like concept high end furniture.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #131, 01-31-2005 04:39 PM
      Thanks for thinking along...! you're right about the importance choosing the right materials...you made me collect some pics and do some thinking
Heres a collage of the materials I gathered so far:

I still need some paint close to the Mrmike seats.....but I am triggered right now..hmm, this would be cool in wood...a photoshop I did earlier:

hmmm...


bryson MSG #132, 01-31-2005 07:13 PM
      You have a PM!
--Bryson



NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #133, 01-31-2005 08:09 PM
      I think if I could have mine like another Fiero... It would be this one!!
Great Job as usual!!



David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #134, 02-01-2005 05:04 PM
      Back to the top


PaulJK MSG #135, 02-02-2005 02:18 AM
      Here's a pic of the glovebox latch I was telling you about



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #136, 02-02-2005 05:46 AM
      thanks, that latch should work!

Kohburn MSG #137, 02-02-2005 08:34 AM
      you may want to consider one of these instead of the cheap roller latch

http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=4544

or maybe an actual mechanical latch like

http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=1559

here is a better roller latch easy closing firm opening

http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=4546

it works like this



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #138, 02-02-2005 09:50 AM
      Enough options I see! Only decision I have to make is whether to use a pushbutton setup or a totally hidden setup (push=release)....

....and I already got a new tool for "phase 3" today..


No time to get bored this year


Kohburn MSG #139, 02-02-2005 10:22 AM
      bored? the only time I can get bored is when i am stuck at work
(oh yeah forgot to mention you could just use the spring loaded cabinet hinges that keep it open or closed..)

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&offerings_id=258&objectgroup_id=342&catid=21&filter=cabinet%20hinge

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PaulJK MSG #140, 02-02-2005 11:55 PM
      Kohburn - that "cheap" $2 latch works just as well as the $3 latch you posted. If you're so smart, why didn't you step up before instead of slamming my stuff ...

Fie-ro: yeah, it was part of the standard package that ships with the dash kit, so it's used by A LOT of people. It works just fine. Your interior is really impressive the way it's coming along - hope you plan on making some molds and offering a kit down the line cause I think you'll have a lot of customers.

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Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #141, 02-03-2005 01:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I still need some paint close to the Mrmike seats.....but I am triggered right now..hmm, this would be cool in wood...a photoshop I did earlier:

hmmm...


Man I wish I could photoshop... I might just have to steal a chunk of that console design and build something totally custom using that concept with the shifter ring and layered look going back to the storage box. I think I have a neighbor that could help me construct something based on what your doing if I could convince him I'm not nuts :-) He's a master woodworker that builds custom furniture/cabinets etc from scratch for a living.


Kohburn MSG #142, 02-03-2005 08:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:

Kohburn - that "cheap" $2 latch works just as well as the $3 latch you posted. If you're so smart, why didn't you step up before instead of slamming my stuff ...

Fie-ro: yeah, it was part of the standard package that ships with the dash kit, so it's used by A LOT of people. It works just fine. Your interior is really impressive the way it's coming along - hope you plan on making some molds and offering a kit down the line cause I think you'll have a lot of customers.


slamming your stuff? never slammed anything just offered some other inexpensive options. but it well never perform as well - as for costing $2 you can get them at lowes or homedepot for about $0.40 ( http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=4535 ) - and personally i think they feel like junk. If you took some major offense to me calling that type of latch cheap then I'm sorry but it is and theres not reason that should be insulting to you. As for stepping up before.. maybe its because I hadn't read the thread in a while. You really need to relax.

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Skybax MSG #143, 02-05-2005 02:16 AM
      Beautiful work Fie Ro... excellent workmanship.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #144, 02-05-2005 12:09 PM
      Thanks, here is some progress in ideas and buildup...:
playing with the vent setup:

photochop :

me thinks this would be nice...! It means skipping of a part of already done work but hey that comes with the job....!

Several parts are close to getting their final shape for molding. That means lots of sanding, bondo, sanding, primer, sanding....but taking some extra time really pays off in the detailing....


..after these pics they already got 2 more bondo/sanding sessions....



Jake_Dragon MSG #145, 02-05-2005 12:52 PM
      Those look great, just like I would make
I really like the center console you created, I want to make something like it but using a more square theme.
I have always been very impressed with your fabrication. Cant wait to see your first mold you pull off of these.

Are you still thinking about using some wood in your project? I have always liked white maple, it is a very hard wood and I think it would hold up well in this application. Its not cheap but a nice laminate would probably look just as good. The heat is my only worry about using wood, if it gets wet the temperature changes would warp it pretty bad. Using solid maple would probably hold up better if it was sealed properly.

Keep up the good work, I wish you could work faster I cant wait to see it finished

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #146, 02-05-2005 01:37 PM
      I am thinking about using wood maybe later.....I am getting closer to the final midconsole shape so I will mold that anyway, and it wont be too hard to replace that piece later for a wood-version. Right now the challenge is to make all the main pieces work together ok...

One of the typical jobs that pop up these days:
To make the passenger side dash part more "mold friendly" I had to add a curve to the mockup.
NOTE: the part is upside down in all these pics

will be glued in place something like this:

sanding bondo sanding

halfway



David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #147, 02-05-2005 05:22 PM
      Like many others I just sit here and shake my head,,,,,,,blown away. I can't wait to see these separate pieces brought together. I think you have retained the "modular" aspect of the original dash very well. I eagerly await each update.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #148, 02-06-2005 02:19 PM
      started to shape a "corner-thingie" , it will be smoothed with the dash part:

I found these simple hinges that will be used on the midconsole armrest:

testing

since I cant easily hide them its better to accent them...


Kohburn MSG #149, 02-06-2005 02:51 PM
      the hinges look good -

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #150, 02-06-2005 03:47 PM
      Grey primer means getting closer to finishing...

some more bondo on an other part:


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #151, 02-06-2005 08:02 PM
      Fie Ro
all I can say is keep up the good work this is shaping up excellent

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #152, 02-07-2005 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
Fie Ro
all I can say is keep up the good work this is shaping up excellent

Thanks, you're quite some good inspiration to do things "your own way"! ... and it IS a nice adventure!

Since it is quite cold outside nowadays I took a pic of one of my old GT's doorpanels to do some photoshopping inside where it is warm!
working on it




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #153, 02-07-2005 04:58 PM
      getting better shape...


...wanted to put a speaker there for a long time..

hmmmmmm......


Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #154, 02-08-2005 10:34 AM
      Would that location for a speaker be firing directly into your thigh?

Making great progress

MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #155, 02-08-2005 10:42 AM
      You are doing some amazing work - already, we can see that your interior is going to rank up there with the Eddie Saanaw's & the Plazma! Can hardly wait to see more of it together!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #156, 02-08-2005 11:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
Would that location for a speaker be firing directly into your thigh?
Making great progress

yeah could be, but it would be an "additional" midrange speaker anyways...if it appears to be in a wrong location I will simply skip it....

 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:
You are doing some amazing work - already, we can see that your interior is going to rank up there with the Eddie Saanaw's & the Plazma! Can hardly wait to see more of it together!

Thanks, I hope you're right In fact I whitnessed some bits of Eddie's impressive build-up and result.....at that time I wouldnt have thought I would do something similar several years later!

Now I bought something today that will help to determine the dimensions of the instrument cluster.....I will post an example tonight


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #157, 02-08-2005 11:10 AM
      for the newbies some pics of Eddie's dash a few years ago:

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #158, 02-08-2005 02:10 PM
      I hope to get something like this in the mail one of these days:

heres the story, I have been looking for an aftermarket tach+speedo for ages...But most tach's are mounted seperately or centrally and I was looking for equal sized gauges to kinda match the stock fiero setup. That quite narrows the search.. What was left was either way expensive or just not the right look... Then I found some audi TT clusters for sale and I emailed a guy with a rediculous offer and got some nice info and response...! Many of the clusters have a socalled CAN bus, some digital interface. no way I could make that work with the fiero! But he said he also had a cluster which could be wired directly, he also has schematics how to wire it to a golf 3 so that could be a nice source already...I would be happy already to get the tach and speedo working, so I might need some expert advice sometime

I am still looking for 2 vents and the shifter ring+boot, it is really hard to find these parts nowadays because TT interior swaps are really hot for Volkswagen tuners....!!

Sourmug MSG #159, 02-08-2005 03:09 PM
      Now that would be an excellent gauge pod for the fiero! Nice find. Please keep us posted and provide lots of info on the install. It will look awesome!

Nolan

ricreatr MSG #160, 02-08-2005 03:14 PM
      Holy Cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just saw this thread. allway liked the stock dash concept way better than anything ive seen swapped into it. but this is the stock concept up a notch!
keep up the good work. it is worth some serious coin!!!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #161, 02-08-2005 06:15 PM
      ...some feedback from combining some ideas in photoshop.... this is still fun! :

I own page 3/4/5 ! lol...must be posting too much

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David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #162, 02-09-2005 07:30 PM
      buump


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #163, 02-10-2005 01:49 PM
      hopefully tomorrow I'll get the cluster in the mail.....!
did some more photoshopping:

..got a few other ideas too...


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #164, 02-10-2005 07:08 PM
      some more sketching on the doorskin


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #165, 02-11-2005 03:26 PM
      Got some mail and did a comparison mockup:

That looks quite cool on the butchered dash of my daily driver

the size is quite close to the stock cluster, about an inch can be easily chopped from the TT front if needed

Heres the challenge: wiring from the fiero cluster connector to the green and blue connectors on this one...

I got some instructions how to wire it to a VW Golf3, it identifies most of the pins (in german) but I will need more info! I hope you guys can help me out with this...

- I need a pinout diagram of the fiero cluster connector. My haynes doesnt help
- a pinout of the numbering on the audi TT cluster connectors.. (without CAN bus)


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #166, 02-11-2005 03:58 PM
      one more picture:


David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #167, 02-11-2005 05:24 PM
      Your second photoshop rendering is absolutely killer...that perforated material looks very cool and would work well with satin finish aluminum and carbon fiber. Keep it coming!

4.9 PFI FIERO (bigbankg@aol.com) MSG #168, 02-11-2005 05:35 PM
      Just a thought.
Make a conversion wiring diagram for those whom may want to use that cluster it will make life so easy for the diy...


PaulJK MSG #169, 02-12-2005 02:28 AM
      Hope this helps:

I don't think these are the absolute reerence, but it's a start

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #170, 02-12-2005 10:39 AM
      Thanks, that already helps a bit.
 
quote
Originally posted by 4.9 PFI FIERO:
Just a thought.
Make a conversion wiring diagram for those whom may want to use that cluster it will make life so easy for the diy...

I sure will do that if I can get it to work! I already share every little thing I am doing....
I took my spare fierocluster to look how to do the new setup. The housing of the fierocluster is actually the connector itself.So if I can mount and wire the TT cluster into the old case it would be a drop-in replacement for a stock cluster....this looks like the best solution for now...


The odometer has it own connector:

last one of the "digital" version




David DeVoe (marcia.david.devoe@sbcglobal.net) MSG #171, 02-16-2005 05:01 PM
      Bump


Kohburn MSG #172, 02-18-2005 10:00 AM
      had a thought on this.. you mentioned audi swaps to VW's does that mean the VW clusters are cheap? and could be swapped to a fiero?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #173, 02-18-2005 10:47 AM
      Yes many VW's share the "same" cluster, audi TT and Golf4 interchange.....I got some pinouts today from someone from a UK TT forum....oh well heres his mail:
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Roderick,

While nothing is impossible I think you are underestimating the complexity
of what you are trying to do...Your biggest problem will be to disable the
immobilizer chip - which wont be easy as the immobilizer code must tie up
with the code read by the transponder off a key, so unless you have the
matching key you will need to get one (and the matching barrel) and somehow
persuade an Audi dealer to recode the pod to the key...which he wont do
unless its in a car.. I ahve heard of a (dubious) organisation that claims
to be able to do the recodes independently of Audi but have no idea who they
are. Unless the immobilzer is disabled the pod will not function
sufficiently to be useful... you cant see the key and barrel in my pic...

Secondly, once you managed the above problem, the pod then looks for the
engine management system over the high-speed CANBus (even the early ones
with no 'Comfort' CANBus still do this). If it can't find it then various
alarms go off... and the pod disables many functions and the DIS will show
an DEF warning although the basics are usable...

For speedo and rev counter you will need to supply pulses at the appropriate
rate, pulse width, voltage and shape... 1 pulse per mph and 1 pulse per rev

For temp and fuel gauges you will need to provide appropriate variable
resistances to sensor ground and calibrate them, mimicing the TT's temp and
fuel senders

Anyhow, here are the pinouts and other info you may find useful... good luck

Irving...
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Now I only want use the speedo/tacho/coolant temp/fuel level gauges and turn lights/warning lights so I hope I can work around all the digital stuff..the connector itself has individual pins for the input of the above....the trick is to make them function right

does this match up with the fiero?:
For speedo and rev counter you will need to supply pulses at the appropriate
rate, pulse width, voltage and shape... 1 pulse per mph and 1 pulse per rev


Kohburn MSG #174, 02-18-2005 10:57 AM
      hmm ok - sound slike I'll be rearanging the fiero cluster with a custom faceplate after all..

just seems so much easier to design a laminat faceplate that changes the apearance of the dash while using the stock mechanicals after rearanging them.

Kohburn MSG #175, 02-18-2005 11:13 AM
      this was a VERY rough thing i tossed together with mspaint to show what I had in mind not too long ago

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/kohburn/rearanged-cluster.jpg

[This message has been edited by Kohburn (edited 02-27-2005).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #176, 02-20-2005 07:14 PM
      You might be able to pull it off with most of the stock faces and a custom bezel...a quick idea:


Most of the stock gauges are standalone units, only the rally gauges share 1 printplate... You might need to hack that one when getting these gauges closer together if you want to fit all of them in the stock size cluster space

I am slowly moving on with the TT cluster, splicing and cutting of an old scsi cable...taking my time for all this before I loose track...

Got some things going but since its cold outside I played with the doorskin thingie too..so far...

would like some polished doorhandles too...
hope you still enjoy it....

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 02-20-2005).]

JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #177, 02-20-2005 08:22 PM
      .

[This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 04-21-2009).]

Kohburn MSG #178, 02-22-2005 01:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JazzMan:

I like that layout, the only change I would make is to swap the tack and speedo. It always seemed to me that the tach should be the more prominant of the two.

Awesome work!

JazzMan

yeah I haven't gotten around to reduing it at home with my image files for the 150mph speedo

but I plan to increase the diameter of the center guage.. and I'm also thinking about flipping the extra guages to the right side.. we'll see


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #179, 02-22-2005 03:48 PM
      ..I want to keep the equal left/right sized speedo/tach orientation like the stock fiero setup. Its hard to find a nice aftermarket set of those gauges, usually most tachs are big standalone units. thats why I try this audi dash thingie first.If it doesnt work with all the digital ssht inside I might just mockup the fierogauges and use the TT's faceplate and bezel...I like a "balanced" look..

Kohburn MSG #180, 02-23-2005 06:53 AM
      like this?

i'm thinking more enlarged center tach



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #181, 02-23-2005 10:08 AM
      no, more like this

Do you really want the volts/oilpressure in there? Could do something like this otherwise (with your big tach setup)...

..hey its been a great shopping day today! : first bought myself an engine and 10 minutes ago I got my switches and pushbuttons delivered!


Kohburn MSG #182, 02-23-2005 10:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
Do you really want the volts/oilpressure in there? Could do something like this otherwise (with your big tach setup)...

..hey its been a great shopping day today! : first bought myself an engine and 10 minutes ago I got my switches and pushbuttons delivered!

ooh pretty..

true about the guage layout - not sure just yet how I want to lay it out. i'll work on it

Joe Torma (animatedjoe75@yahoo.com) MSG #183, 02-23-2005 11:44 AM
      Really nice work Fie Ro! You have some amazing wood(and other material)working skills!
Can't wait to see your stuff done!

My gauge setup is similar to what you posted...

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #184, 02-23-2005 12:10 PM
      Hi Joe,
Your dash buildup has been quite some inspiration for mine, thanks! Made me decide to use wood instead of foam...
Havent seen updates on yours lately, or did I missed it? Are you still doing a 3D kind of gauges setup?....I really liked that one!

-edit: forgot to say this looks really cool!!!! Have you built it yet?
 
quote
Originally posted by Joe Torma:

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 02-23-2005).]

Joe Torma (animatedjoe75@yahoo.com) MSG #185, 02-23-2005 12:40 PM
      Hehe...me an inspiration? Thanks!!
MDF is my friend!!

This is how I left it in the fall. I'm taking all the boards off the guages and using just the center gizmos(what are they called?!). Since they have threaded terminals it will be really easy to use ring terminals and nuts...and the boards have just about everything labels so its so easy.

Needles will be repainted blue, I have lots of EL material laying around and I will make my own EL guage faces, in blue, to look like the VWs.
I am using the entire AUX panel though, that will get mounted behind everything.
The biggest thing for me was the visibility of all the gauges behind the wheel. It's pretty good...note that the camera lens makes everything look even more visible though. I have 2 notches with the steering column where all guages are visible from my seating position. Unless you place the outside ones lower(doesn't look good to me) it's hard to fit them all in there.

[This message has been edited by Joe Torma (edited 02-23-2005).]

Kohburn MSG #186, 02-23-2005 02:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Joe Torma:

Hehe...me an inspiration? Thanks!!
MDF is my friend!!

This is how I left it in the fall. I'm taking all the boards off the guages and using just the center gizmos(what are they called?!). Since they have threaded terminals it will be really easy to use ring terminals and nuts...and the boards have just about everything labels so its so easy.

Needles will be repainted blue, I have lots of EL material laying around and I will make my own EL guage faces, in blue, to look like the VWs.
I am using the entire AUX panel though, that will get mounted behind everything.
The biggest thing for me was the visibility of all the gauges behind the wheel. It's pretty good...note that the camera lens makes everything look even more visible though. I have 2 notches with the steering column where all guages are visible from my seating position. Unless you place the outside ones lower(doesn't look good to me) it's hard to fit them all in there.

VW guages, blue needles, looks like you beat me to it - I hadn't though of eliminating the odo/trip odo though...

my guage inspiration is a little more from the new subaru legacy gt though..

my interior will come later but will share similarity to both of you


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #187, 02-23-2005 02:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Joe Torma:

These are soo bad for my sick brain..........!!
yes the stock units offer many posibilities.....hmmm... never GETTING finished this way..!

...got these rocker switches because I thought they were cool (kinda works like a zippo) but I found an application for them now; NOS steering, you will loose weight from obsolete steering wheel/column/rack....and 10hp extra with sticker lol



Kohburn MSG #188, 02-23-2005 02:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I guess your car is designed to be a wheel stander then - using nos instead of brakes to stear

I like aircraft style switches (but i work with em all the time since I am part of a team that builds military flight simulators)
they do seem to be a bit overdone by the import crowd around here - i suspect your use will be very tasteful tho


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #189, 02-23-2005 03:44 PM
      well I played a bit with them tonight....some zippo tricks (I never had one lol)...yeah they look too "´mportant", its just a switch...! But I guess they look best on a horizontal surface...and.. got some ideas coming
The pushbuttons will work for the mirrors/decklid up/manual headlights down (a common fiero mod) but I will need those extra ..switches for the headlights and extra lighting I guess..I figure some lineing up with the shifter ring rounding...I should try a photoshop if I dont fall asleep.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #190, 02-23-2005 05:42 PM
      Good to see posting these little things always gives some nice feedback that makes you think about things you havent thought about .. so I played with the switches placement..ended up with this PS so far...a bit crowded but fully armed


Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #191, 02-23-2005 05:53 PM
      I am sorry.. But I just hate you.. lol looks amazing yet again! hurry up and finish though!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #192, 02-23-2005 06:56 PM
      last one...might try something like this one of these days....

good night!


Kohburn MSG #193, 02-23-2005 07:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

well I played a bit with them tonight....some zippo tricks (I never had one lol)...yeah they look too "´mportant", its just a switch...! But I guess they look best on a horizontal surface...and.. got some ideas coming
The pushbuttons will work for the mirrors/decklid up/manual headlights down (a common fiero mod) but I will need those extra ..switches for the headlights and extra lighting I guess..I figure some lineing up with the shifter ring rounding...I should try a photoshop if I dont fall asleep.

I think they look best on a non-horizontal surface

either on a \-

or on an overhead /-

but thats how i'm used to seeing them in aircraft

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #194, 02-27-2005 12:46 PM
      well I figured the only suitable place is to mount them somewhere in here...

..but I am thinking of getting them recessed in there with a little slope at the top....these are some sketches, I have loads of these for any part I am doing...will be working on it later, I'll do a seperate mockup for this experiment...

Despite the freezing weather I got some little things going....cleaned up the garage and rearanged it so my new engine will fit in there too!
Midconsole mockup, for a perfect fit I'll have to remove the window buttons, but I was there to take some measurements for the sub and rally gauges so its a bit rough/lazy.


It feels the armrest is a little higher than stock, since my long arms and a midconsole sub need to work together, and from experience with my current sub setup I'll take that info into the game....
...several pieces of wood and some clamps are usefull for every jig anytime....getting the startingpoint for the rallygauges going:

anyway, Ive got a new little friend



Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #195, 02-27-2005 01:04 PM
      good to see you making progress. Have you thought about eliminating the original skeleton so you could narrow/blend your center consoleto end in front of the shifter more organically? If I ever get to doing something like this I'd like to pretty much steal your shape for the upper part of the console and subwoofer idea but maybe make the lower section wrap around the shifter also narrowing as it goes from the back to the front. Maybe eliminate having the stereo/hvac section being part of it or bring that into it as a distinctly seperate transition so there is still room for the cabling that goes thru that area. I can't draw worth a squat in 'paint' but I may see if I can snag one of your photos to draw some lines across to get the idea.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #196, 02-27-2005 02:24 PM
      yeah I think I understand what you mean....theres a lot of space indeed around the shifter area esp. when youre a non-smoker in the car ....however I committed to stay quite close to the original dimensions and fitment so I leave the original bracket in place. but theres enough space between shifter and midcluster to make some recessed cupholders if you wanted to...! I'll use a little of that space to mount the rockerswitches almost an inch lower.....theres sooo much you can do

Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #197, 02-27-2005 03:37 PM
      sent you an email with a picture... not bad for a first shot at editing a photo in Paint of all programs. Oh... I think putting the switches with covers on the console is a bad idea ergonomicly... in front of shifter they would be hard to access and behind it they might get hit driving by accident. I'd integrate them into a roof console or into the dash.

[This message has been edited by Scott-Wa (edited 02-27-2005).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #198, 02-27-2005 04:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

sent you an email with a picture... not bad for a first shot at editing a photo in Paint of all programs. Oh... I think putting the switches with covers on the console is a bad idea ergonomicly... in front of shifter they would be hard to access and behind it they might get hit driving by accident. I'd integrate them into a roof console or into the dash.

I cant check email before tomorrow, I hope it looks good

...Now thats 2 votes against my rocker switch setup.....thanks for the feedback...lol, so lets see what we can do. I want the dash kinda clean so the roofconsole looks like a nice option.... I am redoing it anyway for the leds.


I'll try a mockup tomorrow...


ricreatr MSG #199, 02-27-2005 08:37 PM
      i really like scott-wa's roof console idea! cool place for em. and those lights will look good too!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #200, 03-13-2005 01:43 PM
      console needs a repaint and an aluminium bezel but this setup will work! thnx Scott-wa.

Finally got the rallygauges shipped across the ocean...oilpressure/volts/boost (I replaced watertemp with boost when I knew I was close to my SC purchase ) testing the volts gauge:

with 7 colors to choose from it wont be hard to match them to the final interior.....nice gauges.

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 03-13-2005).]

Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #201, 03-13-2005 02:52 PM
      Shweeeet :-)

And I own page 6!

(always wanted to be able to say that)

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #202, 03-13-2005 06:46 PM
      a little checkup and matchup of what I own and what I need The "need" portion is getting smaller everyday luckily...This kinda looks like playing "Car Designer Tycoon" ....All the shopping comes from my female side


getting the TT cluster to work will be a PITA I guess (from the info Ive got), I'll have a try anyway, you'll never know..will use the TT face with the stock fiero meters if I cant get the cluster itself to work.


Kohburn MSG #203, 03-14-2005 11:41 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

console needs a repaint and an aluminium bezel but this setup will work! thnx Scott-wa.

Finally got the rallygauges shipped across the ocean...oilpressure/volts/boost (I replaced watertemp with boost when I knew I was close to my SC purchase ) testing the volts gauge:

with 7 colors to choose from it wont be hard to match them to the final interior.....nice gauges.

nice guages -

are you gonna use the tripple round lights to replace the two center interior lights also?


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #204, 03-14-2005 01:49 PM
      No I guess not, it would be too much...I figure a small aluminium bezel in the midsection over the middle lights with some shape or logo cut out....hmm time to start to think about that

ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #205, 03-14-2005 02:57 PM
      Eh WELCOME BACK,,,,

eh rod how was the ski trip,,so how many times did u crash and roll all the way down the hills,,lol any frost bite?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #206, 03-15-2005 05:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ducattiman:
Eh WELCOME BACK,,,,
eh rod how was the ski trip,,so how many times did u crash and roll all the way down the hills,,lol any frost bite?

Eh, you dont know how close you are to the truth!!
I am an experienced snowboarder but I must have had a major slam on the head one day.....I cant remember what happened but they took me downhill into an ambulance and to a hospital for a CT scan to check my head for damage......whats left is still a little headache, one lost day and pictures that prove that I DO have brains! The rest of the holiday was quite nice....so when youre gonna rev my new engine?


ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #207, 03-15-2005 11:34 AM
      i really want to pop by this weekend they say it is a high of 20..gr8 temp to see ur engine and u can hear the new bass in my beast,,**** it is loud

87GTSleeper (chriswallace@wholedamarea.com) MSG #208, 03-15-2005 12:35 PM
      I don't know how I missed this thread so long.

Truly inspirational. Awesome work.

Convertable Indy (evans47243@adelphia.net) MSG #209, 03-15-2005 01:41 PM
      WOW! Thats a sweet set up! Good luck, keep the pics coming!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #210, 03-15-2005 02:36 PM
      Thanks all! Since spring is right around the corner theres more structural work that can be done hopefully. However tomorrow I plan some more prep work on the body because it really needs paint soon...plus the SC wiring is on the floor right now to be sorted out...so I am jumping from task to task..but that keeps the fun going

 
quote
Originally posted by ducattiman:
i really want to pop by this weekend they say it is a high of 20..gr8 temp to see ur engine and u can hear the new bass in my beast,,**** it is loud

Sunday would be a nice day..., drop me a pm when you want to come, I'll fully load my coffeemachine for ya
..I bet you get friends with my neighbours with your 2x 12" s.....bring it on




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #211, 03-19-2005 06:12 PM
      ...I hope some of the work involved will still show in the endresult.. .. ..these pieces are all(most) ready to be prepped, waxed and molded soon...

....still have to figure how to take perfect molds though...still learning....

:mockup with the rough shape of the rallygauge housing and 3 photoshopped gauges (and PS bevels)....looking how to finish the rallygauges housing...

the "third" project already starts to steal time and pictures ....it always starts small.

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Jake_Dragon MSG #212, 03-19-2005 06:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

What is that theft deterrent?
That arm rest is killer and the gages are turning out great.
You are an inspiration keep up the good work.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #213, 03-19-2005 07:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

What is that theft deterrent?

No thats actually going into Ducattiman's coffee. He likes it that way..Then he is going to rev my engine

This is a better test than a stupid dyno


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #214, 04-17-2005 05:44 PM
      started to take molds and products of some more finished parts:

those will be covered in black vinyl so I'll only do some rough sanding and no prepping..


F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #215, 04-17-2005 10:01 PM
      Something tells me you're going to be my new best friend, you're doing an awesome job- keep up the great work!

Kohburn MSG #216, 04-19-2005 10:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

started to take molds and products of some more finished parts:

those will be covered in black vinyl so I'll only do some rough sanding and no prepping..

very nice - ever think about buying some 2part poly resin? you can cast parts with varying degrees of flexibility.. or just simple unreinforced plastic parts..

a "cushy" armrest would be pretty sweet

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #217, 04-19-2005 10:35 AM
      I am just happy to get better in making molds and parts without damaging and repairing them! No experimenting now!

I thought about a "cushy" armest: might cut and glue a piece of foam padding before doing the vinyl over it......or adding some extra layers of vinyl before the final layer...I want the basic shape to be sturdy (and it is)

the shifter surround piece is getting molded too today....

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LITEDAZE (dr_cray69@astroboymail.com) MSG #218, 04-19-2005 11:03 AM
      amazing work man! i've been in and out of this thread since it started and everytime you post something it's impressive

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #219, 04-22-2005 02:50 PM
      ..the hinges need some meat so I glassed them in...after waxing them

..next one to go..:


got this fancy "parting clay" from a toys store, works great...!




Kohburn MSG #220, 04-22-2005 02:53 PM
      i love it - its so muhc fun to watch your work -

sonic50 (scottdiphone@yahoo.com) MSG #221, 04-22-2005 03:11 PM
      wow! You are doing a good job. Can not wait till it is done.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #222, 04-22-2005 03:12 PM
      ..got the product pulled today....now I wanna testmount the armrest and the window switches too..! Did some work and testfitting..:



...still waiting for a TT shifter boot+chrome bezel getting delivered and completing the picture...but I already like it

Ow btw, some headconsole work I almost forgot to do.



Kohburn MSG #223, 04-22-2005 03:22 PM
      the solid center panel for switches is perfect - cleans it up real nice..

JKobra MSG #224, 04-22-2005 03:55 PM
      I know I shouldnt rush genius, but I cant wait till ur done! great job man, I wish I had ur talents

ricreatr MSG #225, 04-22-2005 09:28 PM
      awsome stuff!!

divilspawn (mijt@cox.net) MSG #226, 04-22-2005 09:49 PM
      ok well when you finish let me know how much for one with cupholders cus that is an awesome look and I really would like a REAL cupholder not some cheap plastic thing

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #227, 04-23-2005 05:00 AM
      Got something with the mail today! Brandnew from germany and it looks good....installed:


Theres a lot of work and patience involved getting it right but it starts to pay off now...!

No cupholders on mine but I have thought about it: theres some space IN the midconsole in front of the shifter, could make some recessed cupholders there.....it would be an "option" because I like the clean look it has now.


Quad GT (quadgti@gmail.com ) MSG #228, 04-23-2005 05:08 AM
      Fantastic work!!!!

Why arent you making this as a kit, Im sure it would sell as hot cakes!

Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #229, 04-23-2005 06:51 AM
      WOW Im VERY IMPRESSED!!!! So how does it feel to see you dash concept come to life?



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #230, 04-23-2005 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierokid87:
WOW Im VERY IMPRESSED!!!! So how does it feel to see you dash concept come to life?

Feels good! I kinda know what I want the finished work to look like...but actually getting there is a lot of work and thinking first....and sometimes it turns out even better..thats the feelgood part


DustyMN (dizustizy@gmail.com) MSG #231, 04-23-2005 03:54 PM
      Wow, I can't wait to see the finished product! Absolutely beautiful!! As other people have mentioned before, please tell me you plan to sell your interior as a kit!!



3.8 SC MSG #232, 04-25-2005 07:01 PM
      Fie Ro,

Great work on the dash! I like it alot! As I was looking through your post, when an idea hit me. The air vents, Make them look like the butterfly valves in a carburator. I have a Grand Am dash with round vent holes and now I think I am going to put it in. I just need a few more ideas to make it look like it was never designed for a Grand Am.

Keep up the good work,
Don Z.


P.S. We are almost done on with Rick B. car, so I will be doing a write up on how to make the fuel rail for the 3800 S/C soon!

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/049118.html



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #233, 04-26-2005 04:35 AM
      3.8 SC: I think you mean vents like those in the mazda 6 and Ford F150?
This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.

I think Madcurl will use vents of the Ford..... I'll stick to the TT vents(If I ever find a set) because all other parts are matched to the "drilled chrome ring" theme...

Yeah i would love to see how you made the fuelrail....looks like the original is brazed together?

Kohburn MSG #234, 04-26-2005 06:55 AM
      i was planning to use the aftermarket upgrade F150 vents that have the chrome ring

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #235, 05-15-2005 07:19 PM
      Ow this needs a little update...!
I molded some more pieces. rediscovered the hot glue gun to mockup some mold edges for my first 2 part mold.

first piece ready:

..and had to trash another mockup, Mold is ok just needs more work now to cleanup.

Should have made it a 3part mold maybe but it isnt the first time I have to trash the mdf mockup....maybe its just too soft... I have no problems taking fiberglass parts from the fiberglass molds though:

Decided to cover the midconsole piece in vinyl:

Finally found an old samplecard from MrMikes, took it to an upholstery store and ordered a piece of mathing vinyl like the fiero saddle color...to match my MrMikes seats....damn I am talking like a woman!

So hurry back to molding:

Can already tell this one turned out better. Some more progress later


redraif (redraif@yahoo.com) MSG #236, 05-18-2005 05:21 PM
      Man you have done some amazing work! My hat is off to you! I have only seen work like that in concept cars & they all pale in comparison!



ShaddowGt (sage14823@xpectmore.com) MSG #237, 06-06-2005 08:14 PM
      wheres my update!

oh, and ummm..... errr...... bump?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #238, 06-11-2005 05:47 AM
      Progress...got some finished fiberglass pieces for the sidevents now and the rallygauges plug is getting shape:

Also finished 2 more fiberglass pieces for the midconsole. A mockup to see if it fits so far :




Want to make it as plug&play as possible... I will reuse the main dash and stock heatercontrols and DIN radio...I hate wiring so the TT cluster is still not made functional. I want to wire it to a stock fiero cluster housing so it plugs in with the stock connectors in the dash...




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #239, 06-11-2005 08:41 AM
      EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT you are doing a great job

a little hint apply at least 6 layers of carnuba wax to the raw forms before making the molds and you will eliminate the sticking problems

are you spraying gell coat to the parts before applyingthe fiber glass

dobey MSG #240, 06-11-2005 12:58 PM
      Wow. Amazing work. Dash is still a bit boxy for me, but it's amazing. Very inspiring work. I hope I can find someplace to do real work on mine sometime soon. Your thread has a lot of valuable info in it. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #241, 06-12-2005 03:57 PM
      Wow! I can't believe it took so long for me too see this thread! It look's great! I'm having fun looking at all your inventive work.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #242, 06-12-2005 04:17 PM
     

Sick Talent.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #243, 06-13-2005 08:45 AM
      Did some testfitting in the fiero to check if the shifter is still dead center in 'neutral' (it is!) and to take measurements for a new subwoofer enclosure:

Finally got the glovebox-door mold fixed and pulled the CF piece today:

I really like the 3D look it has when light hits the piece! The real thing looks way better than the fake vinyl stuff imo...

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT you are doing a great job

a little hint apply at least 6 layers of carnuba wax to the raw forms before making the molds and you will eliminate the sticking problems

are you spraying gell coat to the parts before applyingthe fiber glass


Thank you Master of DIY! Yes I am applying/polishing several layers of carnauba wax (meguiars mold release wax) I also have some other stuff in a spraycan and some stuff which is called B-film..tried several approaches..I just think the raw (mdf) forms are too soft to pop them out easily...fiberglass/fiberglass dont cause problems nowadays. Maybe I should use more fiberglass/resin on the mockups. I am using gelcoat all the time for the molds and products (except with CF), I also mix it with a tint color so its easier to check if the surface is right....oh well you never stop learning.

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 06-13-2005).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #244, 06-13-2005 09:09 AM
      you fit and finish is excellent and keep up the great work this dash should look fantastic when finished

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #245, 06-13-2005 11:34 AM
      I still have to pick a color for the painted parts for the interior....maybe something close to the hi-temp paint I am using for my new engine..:



..looking at this mockup gets me thinking about making another copy of the glovebox piece, cut some holes and call it an exhaust manifold cover...lol

hmm

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #246, 06-13-2005 11:57 AM
      I'm partial to gun metal myself. Something about that shade (there is only one shade isn't there?) darker grey anyway, against chrome. Dark enough to let the chrome stand out without it having too much of a contrast. Depending on the color of your car, dark shades of blue and red work, but I still like gun metal...



dobey MSG #247, 06-13-2005 12:02 PM
      Not CF valve covers? Awww...

 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

..looking at this mockup gets me thinking about making another copy of the glovebox piece, cut some holes and call it an exhaust manifold cover...lol

hmm



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #248, 06-13-2005 01:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by dobey:
Not CF valve covers? Awww...

..thought about it, but the gasket side is quite complicated and I would never want to take such a risk messing with a valvecover anyway...I tried some little cover thingie though


Now this part didnt turn out how it should be. I could make a new piece but I still like a simple smoothed valvecover a lot more..trial and error...more CF will turn up somewhere else on the engine someday


Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #249, 06-14-2005 07:52 PM
      Do you need to apply a release agent before laying up the carbon fiber on/in the mold? Just wondering becuase when they make carbon fiber parts at work if they don't use a release agent they can't get the part off the mold. If you found a way to make parts with out release agent I'm curious to know how.

Thanks,


Jason


Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #250, 06-15-2005 05:46 PM
      ?

FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #251, 06-15-2005 07:56 PM
      Fie Ro, I am doing a 3800 SC, how much would you want to make me a set of those? I am interested, let me know if you have time and want to. I know shipping will be terrible, but I love the CF valve cover caps.

Alex



Ambush (jbacciani@vinyloptions.com) MSG #252, 06-15-2005 09:55 PM
      WOW!!! How come I never saw this before.......It's the work that makes it so nice.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #253, 06-16-2005 04:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Yellow87FieroGT:
Do you need to apply a release agent before laying up the carbon fiber on/in the mold? Just wondering becuase when they make carbon fiber parts at work if they don't use a release agent they can't get the part off the mold. If you found a way to make parts with out release agent I'm curious to know how.
Thanks,
Jason

A good waxed and polished mold should do well...though I am experimenting with some stuff called "B-film" too.....like the name says it acts like a thin film layer which helps seperating the part from the mold. You can brush or spray it on and wash it off with warm water afterwards.

 
quote
Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboby:
Fie Ro, I am doing a 3800 SC, how much would you want to make me a set of those? I am interested, let me know if you have time and want to. I know shipping will be terrible, but I love the CF valve cover caps.
Alex

Thanks for the interest but I decided not to make/sell parts before I have finished everything I got myself into... Theres already 3 years of work in progress and I need to finish that first...hope you understand.
Maybe you can make them yourself...heres how I started:
a piece of MDF cut to size and smoothed a little at the edges


primer, wetsanding and waxing to get it smooth for taking a simple mold

You could even do some embossed logo thingie....


AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #254, 06-16-2005 06:40 AM
      Very nice work so far. Looking great
On the b film release agent it sounds like it is just a fancy name for PVA. Or Poly Vinyl Acetate. It also just gets wiped on or sprayed on and washes off with warm water. It is commonly used on new moulds for the first run after waxing the mould several times.



Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #255, 06-16-2005 05:18 PM
      Fie Ro & AusFiero -

Thanks for the release agent information - it will come in handy.

Loki (michael.geddie@gmail.com) MSG #256, 07-02-2005 04:52 AM
      OH

MY

GOD!!!!!!


That is just down right SEXY!!!!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #257, 07-02-2005 03:21 PM
      Finally got my TT vents and they look great! It took about 6 months to really get a set....sooo many searches, emails, ebay bidding etc etc. Now I got them and went to the parts store to find some matching tubing for the housing. First piece was bingo when testfitting a 90mm elbow piece. The vent just snaps in place! I think I just use them for the final assembly, after removing some ridges and excess material...here's the collage:

And a little mockup of its final position.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #258, 07-02-2005 03:25 PM
      Nice. Why did it take so long for the Audi vent to arrive?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #259, 07-02-2005 07:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Nice. Why did it take so long for the Audi vent to arrive?

Actually this set took only a few days to get ...but its hard to snatch them because TT interior swaps are very popular for the VW tuners now. So it took a lot of time, new at the dealer they cost close to $100 a piece, go figure.
In the meantime I stripped my 'old' sub box and removed it for the last time to make a new template..

I have quite long arms so the aim is a good setup without too much obstruction...form follows function right?!..moving the speaker upwards already helps a lot...I ended up building a flimsy construction and some of the famous 2part urethane foam stuff for the mockup...it starts ugly but with some bondo and elbow grease it will get better


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #260, 07-02-2005 07:57 PM
      WOW...$100 a piece! What a rip-off. I know I bought (4) new ones for maybe $200?

Chewy_bjj (piccolo8@bellsouth.net) MSG #261, 07-03-2005 12:20 AM
      Crazy man. Its incredible watching you work. Makes me wanna go and look at my dash and see what I can do to it.

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #262, 07-03-2005 12:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

WOW...$100 a piece! What a rip-off. I know I bought (4) new ones for maybe $200?

Ack! Don't you hate it when people tell you things like this? This is one of the few threads that I really get excited about watching grow. You are doing a fantastic job. Good idea with the sub set up! My garage is finally starting to look like a garage as opposed to a storage space so it looks like I might try your idea soon. I've never worked with fiberglass before, but because of what I've learned here, I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for the inspiration. As far as the sub goes though, I'll have to see if there is something a little different to keep the stone throwers off my back.

Loki (michael.geddie@gmail.com) MSG #263, 07-05-2005 10:22 PM
      Will not let this one fall...

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #264, 07-20-2005 05:36 PM
      Bump!

sonic50 (scottdiphone@yahoo.com) MSG #265, 07-21-2005 12:01 AM
      Looks good! Do you want to try this on my car next?

Fiero5 MSG #266, 08-05-2005 10:42 AM
      Any new updates? I love this thread

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #267, 08-20-2005 02:30 PM
      Sorry I have been (update-) lazy lately...but I have pix now
I took out the plastic trim pieces for paint and started putting some stuff back. Its the right time to replace the rearspeakers and putting new carpet in. Added a few wires first for the extra overhead switches:

Bought a set of new 4x6 speakers but forgot the originals are really "thin" so I had to make a set of spacers:

I hope they still fit behind the panel... Recovering the speakergrills looked a pita so I decided to smooth them with the panel and use some of the mesh I used before...this was not planned but hey..

midconsoleframe painted:

Its hard to capture the color, it looks like a gunmetal version of the dark grey from the original interior but much more dramatic..lol ..reflection of the blue sky:



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #268, 08-20-2005 03:20 PM
     

The upper midconsole piece and armrest will be covered in vinyl later (tan/black)...I have to finish the subwoofer piece first to be able to combine some parts before covering...but Ive got some carpet to work on in the meantime



yellowstone MSG #269, 08-20-2005 03:24 PM
      Cool stuff - I like it!

Fastback 86 MSG #270, 08-20-2005 05:13 PM
      Holy poop that all looks awesome!

BTW, theres a LOT of space between the rear speakers and the cover, so yours should fit fine with the spacers.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #271, 08-21-2005 02:02 PM
      Yeah I guess the speakers will fit, I rounded the edges of the spacers too...we'll see after doing the carpet I'll put the rearpanels back.
I was a bit scared to do the carpet, even dug up the carpet pieces of my old fiero to act as a template to cut the new ones but decided this afternoon to do all the fitting in the car...today the driverside.(it will go over the original carpet)
So I took out: a piece of 1x2 meters of carpet, some beer, a knife...and the driver seat.


I must say it was easier than expected..started lining up one side with the midconsole..working down ..X where the seat studs push up and bolt it down..work it from there and cut corners


Put the 'old' stuff back because it is my daily driver.


Finally its starting to look better instead of worse!


Codeman (c_scurk@hotmail.com) MSG #272, 08-21-2005 02:31 PM
      WOW...absolutely amazing talent, i can only dream this will be made available to other fiero owners....awesome job man

foxxman25 MSG #273, 08-21-2005 04:56 PM
      I just look through the whole topic. Looks good, keep at it.



NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #274, 08-21-2005 10:25 PM
      is this a daily driver?

goatnipples2002 (goatnipples2002@gmail.com) MSG #275, 08-22-2005 12:16 AM
      Just wondering how you made the spacers for the 4x6's? I know what it looks like and I have an idea but just wondering.

goatnipples2002 (goatnipples2002@gmail.com) MSG #276, 08-22-2005 12:43 AM
      Just wondering how you made the spacers for the 4x6's? I know what it looks like and I have an idea but just wondering.

FieroFarmGirl (katelyn.mann@mohawkcollege.ca) MSG #277, 09-06-2005 01:59 AM
      so whats the latest now that the long weekend is over?

bump


edit: now that i think of it.. im not sure the netherlands had a holiday this weekend! but there was a weekend none the less!

[This message has been edited by FieroFarmGirl (edited 09-06-2005).]

yellowstone MSG #278, 09-06-2005 02:39 AM
      Roderick, looks amazing - reminds me that I NEED TO FINISH THE D*** HOOD! :-)

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #279, 09-06-2005 02:50 AM
      It's looking awesome! I cant wait to see it finished! Amazing work.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #280, 09-07-2005 02:12 PM
      Got all the carpet and trim done....finally it starts looking cozy in there
Doing the carpet at the passenger side:

But first I had to pull my old stereo gear:

Found some of my fiero gremlins

I'll reuse this setup because it still sounds and looks good to me

I will also reuse the panel but with some changes, I stripped off the vinyl and will smooth it and paint it in the new color later


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #281, 09-07-2005 02:41 PM
      I secured the rear speaker grills on the back of the sidepanel...tiny pieces of foam kept the grill in place while applying hot glue around the edges


The speakers+spacers sit quite tight behind the panels in the car, had to be cautious while tightening the seatbelt bolts.
Now the 'plan' is to finish the complete midconsole first....the rallygauges cluster is getting a backyard mold job

Dug up this old 3D rendering, details have changed but its still the same idea...

This still needs lots of work......



Kohburn MSG #282, 09-07-2005 03:01 PM
      very nice work as usual - i assume we can expect a similar speaker grill treatment for the front's?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #283, 09-25-2005 01:30 PM
      No, I think it will reflect too much in the windshield, so I keep the front speakercovers as is right now....maybe I'll use some aluminium mesh for the windshield vent but in all I'll try to keep the top of the dash a bit uh...less bling bling
Heres some progress on the rallygauges:

just from the mold:

cut the holes for the gauges and a rough testfit:


Now i only need to trim, prep and paint the piece so it blends in with the rest of the midconsole...looks it will fit nice!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #284, 09-25-2005 02:25 PM
      and some sloooow progress on the subwoofer plug...it takes a lot of work to get it right.




MarioAlmada MSG #285, 09-25-2005 10:51 PM
      man, i just checked out all the work you've done and it took a while since i'm on 56k, but it was worth it. you've done some good work man, keep me updated with new work you've done, i wanna see the work and the final product. i like the center console the most, keep up the good work

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #286, 09-25-2005 11:00 PM
      Not to be too picky... It seems to me that for the lines to be their smoothest, that the front angle of the sub would be paralell to the back angle of the door window. You've put so much into what your doing, it's jsut one of those things that if I were doing it, I'd probably take a look at. Not right or wrong, jsut me.


that and I'm curious about the corners, one of which I highlighted in yellow. Hey mister, does that unit come with elbow guards? I figure you were saving that part for last, but I just had to ask. I've been following this for a while and always get excited to see it updated. Nice work, and thanks for sharing.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #287, 09-26-2005 07:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:
Not to be too picky... It seems to me that for the lines to be their smoothest, that the front angle of the sub would be paralell to the back angle of the door window. You've put so much into what your doing, it's jsut one of those things that if I were doing it, I'd probably take a look at. Not right or wrong, jsut me.
that and I'm curious about the corners, one of which I highlighted in yellow. Hey mister, does that unit come with elbow guards? I figure you were saving that part for last, but I just had to ask. I've been following this for a while and always get excited to see it updated. Nice work, and thanks for sharing.

Lol, the subwoofer plug just sits on top of the midconsole in the pic: the finished piece will be flush with the shifter piece. It will also slot in the backpanel like the stock glovebox..The shape is curved to match the seats a little and is most ergonomic to be able to shift without hitting the sub with the elbow....

Btw, I AM very picky getting it right


goatnipples2002 (goatnipples2002@gmail.com) MSG #288, 09-26-2005 09:55 AM
      Will you palease make me a sub box like that?

MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #289, 09-26-2005 03:16 PM
      I haven't checked this thread in a long time and all I can say is

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!

I honestly didn't think it was gonna look nearly as good as it does.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #290, 09-26-2005 03:57 PM
      Thanks! The 3D tryouts I did last year really helped to get some ideas how to build it....so far its all plug&play due to doing my homework. I guess I learned something from my mistakes . The bodywork took way too long (did change about everything during buildup) and it took about 3 years in all. If I could start it all over again everything would be totally different But within a few weeks the fiero finally will be painted so I can move on with the interior and engine...never finished hehe...Thanks for the support, I really appreciate that...it helps to justify the "why?" and all the time put in this car.

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #291, 09-26-2005 06:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
Btw, I AM very picky getting it right

I know, I've been following this since you started it.

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #292, 09-26-2005 07:10 PM
      Nope, looking like crap. Ya gunna have to tear it all out and send it over here for disposal.

Gokart Mozart MSG #293, 09-28-2005 04:55 PM
      And watch in a couple of years he'll just happen to have a kit for sale.

MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #294, 09-28-2005 06:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

And watch in a couple of years he'll just happen to have a kit for sale.

I gatta make sure I find my checkbook by then... that reminds me ::searches around aimlessly::

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #295, 09-29-2005 12:08 AM
     


Fie ro,

Do you have a timeframe in mind on when you would like to have the interior done and the car painted ?? I know it has taken 3 years so far, just curious if you can see the light at the end of the tunnel ?

Do you plan to make molds and sell the body parts and interior ?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #296, 09-29-2005 09:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:
Fie ro,
Do you have a timeframe in mind on when you would like to have the interior done and the car painted ?? I know it has taken 3 years so far, just curious if you can see the light at the end of the tunnel ?
Do you plan to make molds and sell the body parts and interior ?

I can see some light now My fiero is currently on standby for paint, I expect it will be done within a few weeks. After that I'll have more time for the interior (and engineswap)
I have molds of everything I build for the interior, its in the back of my mind to sell kits or molds when its done. Thats also why I try to make it as easy as possible to mount the pieces and being able to reuse stock accesoiries....I guess it should be finished somewhere this winter. From the body I have to take new molds as it has changed a lot during buildup but I will only consider it when theres serious interest to make it worthwhile.....


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #297, 10-02-2005 06:00 PM
      Did some final finishing and painting today on the rally cluster :


Couldnt resist to put the gauges in place, I am pretty happy about the setup :



Its a bit strange these clean parts on my table are destined for a hostile environment called Fiero, lol.


Jake_Dragon MSG #298, 10-02-2005 06:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Did some final finishing and painting today on the rally cluster :


Couldnt resist to put the gauges in place, I am pretty happy about the setup :



Its a bit strange these clean parts on my table are destined for a hostile environment called Fiero, lol.

I want one!

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #299, 10-02-2005 09:25 PM
      I'm next! Time to start making some money off your efforts- ack, I don't have the heart to tell you that you have to start selling this part, I'd rather see you get the rest of the parts done and setup! That gauge looks very nice, great job. Once you see that nice shiny paint and gauges installed, it sure must make all the effort seem worth while. I don't know if I could sleep for the next few days after finishing this, I'd probably get up- take a look at it, set it in the car, go back to bed, repeat...

Fiero Finale MSG #300, 10-02-2005 09:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Did some final finishing and painting today on the rally cluster :


Couldnt resist to put the gauges in place, I am pretty happy about the setup :



Its a bit strange these clean parts on my table are destined for a hostile environment called Fiero, lol.



Fiero Finale MSG #301, 10-02-2005 09:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
]

I'm going to a AWESOME automotive school for Paint & Body work basically, but its booked till August 2006.......but after seeing this thread im tempted to say screw that(I don't need a "degree" technically since I want my own paint/body shop someday) and go to Europe and have you train me How much would tuition be?? You do AWESOME work

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #302, 10-04-2005 06:25 PM
      Fiero Finale: I can only advise you to work out your ideas and think about how you can build them for real,...and build it! its fun Be patient because you'll make mistakes but theres also a lot to learn when actually building something. I am still a bad fiberglasser but with some work it turns out nice uh..in the end, if youre determent you can achieve a lot
Another trick is to post every little thing youre doing so people think youre really busy ah this just popped up..:
- unofficial pre-release promo picture presentation of the new fiero concept gtr rallygauge option X3O performance -

...so I kinda mocked it in place in a hurry, took the pic, put it back on the passenger seat and drove off to work
I will wire the gauges tomorrow and try to decide on how to mount the cluster to the midconsole. That will need some fabbing. Also one of these days I'll have to take out the main dash for a (re-)upholstery and a windshield vent makeover. So the main dash will remain basically stock in shape, but I think I will have to cut the sidevents for the ducting of the TT vents later. The right side glovebox frame is next to getting molded...and I will have to think about the main cluster.But so far I am pretty happy how this dash develops


ToddCaster (toddcaster1977@hotmail.com) MSG #303, 10-05-2005 03:06 PM
      Hello
I would like to talk to you about your project, If you could write me at toddcaster1977@hotmail.com

Thanks Todd (Ps. put fiero dash in the subject )

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #304, 10-07-2005 03:14 PM
      Its hard to take a good pic at night. The gauges are of a 7-color kind programmed by one pushbutton. The default setting is some bad 80's disco colorcycling Now I have seen enough of that because they dont seem to "remember" the programmed setting...I should try switching the + and ign+ wires I guess.
Now guess which one isnt cooperating here

Since I am going to replace the dew wipes I took out the interior doorpanel..

..which made me think again about some new doorskin design. This is from several months ago:


..so I started from there and did some updates, changes and tryouts..:

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 10-07-2005).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #305, 10-07-2005 03:22 PM
      combining some of it:


I am sure it will change some more
edit:still working on it:

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 10-07-2005).]

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #306, 10-24-2005 11:59 PM
     
How are the interior door panels coming ?



Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #307, 10-25-2005 02:10 AM
      Shh his car is in the paint booth right now :P, I think he is occupied on putting the exterior back together first...

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #308, 10-25-2005 05:52 AM
      The outer doorpanels are finished

...and all the work goes into the bodywork right now.




revin MSG #309, 10-25-2005 10:43 AM
      * sniff *
reminds me of MY CAR getting painted !


Well at least you WILL have the cooler car between the two of us! ( at least the interior )

Maybe you should send me the rejects from the interior, so we can be overseas brothers !!! ( oops did that sound gay?)



AJ7 (z28camaro_777@hotmail.com) MSG #310, 10-25-2005 12:18 PM
      *takes notes*

cant wait to see the finished product

DJWINNI MSG #311, 10-25-2005 12:50 PM
      GREAT GREAT GREAT JOB!!!

Best interior I've ever seen...

can't wait to see the final product!!



88White3.4GT MSG #312, 10-26-2005 03:04 AM
      nice work... bump...

yellowstone MSG #313, 10-26-2005 03:23 AM
      Looks good. What's the verdict on the shop?

I want some to do the following:
- Install and blend in Aus Stage 2 side scoop panels on some extra door skins and front fenders, prep that and the scoops themselves and paint to match my color
- Paint prep the hood we made and paint to match my color

I have a recommendation on a painter close to where I live but I'd like to get two quotes for the job. Would you recommend your shop? Price? Quality? Reliability? You know I want perfect OEM fit and finish...

Thanks and looking forward to seeing your Fiero soon?

 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

The outer doorpanels are finished

...and all the work goes into the bodywork right now.



NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #314, 10-26-2005 09:07 PM
      Wow,
What a great color...
I can't wait to see all those custom panels put back on... congrads..
It's been along time coming....


captinhowdy83 (captinhowdy83@aim.com) MSG #315, 11-12-2005 01:11 AM
      bump


Lothurin (lothurin@gra.midco.net) MSG #316, 11-12-2005 10:45 AM
      man i wish i had some of ur skills...that car is going to look great when ur done



linenoise MSG #317, 11-12-2005 02:17 PM
      It really is time you sell ssome of these to finance your next items


linenoise MSG #318, 11-12-2005 02:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

this by far is my favorite mod todate on any car. I relally like this look.



Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #319, 11-12-2005 03:46 PM
      This thread has really kept my interest - are there any updates Fie Ro? - I'd like to see where your project is at now.

[This message has been edited by Yellow87FieroGT (edited 11-12-2005).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #320, 11-12-2005 04:35 PM
      Ive been busy finishing the body last weeks....and that is getting closer to being done

So one of these days I'll return to the regular interior buildup...first would be molding of the right dashframe, second finishing the midconsole sub box. Then theres a third, fourth etc....no way of getting bored, only the waiting



Sharkman MSG #321, 11-12-2005 04:47 PM
      I love the work you have done soo far.
And nice color on the car as well.



Skybax MSG #322, 11-14-2005 02:24 AM
      Fie-Ro is the best Fiero mod designer / fabricator in the Fiero community hands down.

Nobody comes close.

And most importantly... he does it with class.

3.8T (eurasian1@rogers.com) MSG #323, 11-14-2005 10:38 AM
      man that interior looks awesome!

Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #324, 11-14-2005 03:32 PM
      Thanks for posting again - I'm glad to hear you are willing to post more regarding your interior.

Your exterior mods look pretty cool too.

lilman (pbnlilman@gmail.com) MSG #325, 11-14-2005 06:12 PM
      I must say this is an amazing project you have going. I have been debating buying a Fiero on and off for about 6 months. This conferms my thoughs that this will be an amazing project car. You are truly a genious. I have no where the same amount of artistic talent such as yourself. You mind if I steal some of your ideas for my car? (ie shift boot).

magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #326, 11-27-2005 01:41 AM
      bump, what's new? looking good man

DreXteR (andres.martinez2@gmail.com) MSG #327, 11-27-2005 01:58 AM
      Nice car, well done.

By any chance, you know hiw much the GT rear clip weights?

Thanks
Dre


jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #328, 11-28-2005 12:37 PM
      ihope u plan on making molds and possiably offering this forsale, it and th e front clip would be awesome upgrade options, shippingonly bad thing



F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #329, 12-04-2005 02:12 PM
      Hey, any updates? Bump!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #330, 12-04-2005 03:24 PM
      Sorry, Ive been pretty occupied with (re!)finishing the body buildup...I'll try to get the interior buildup going again..I hope within a few weeks...if theres an update I'll post it here. Thanks for the nice words

buddycraigg (buddycraigg@yahoo.com) MSG #331, 12-04-2005 04:13 PM
      hmmmm

F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #332, 01-05-2006 03:26 PM
      It's be a few weeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkssssssssssssssssssssssssss....



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #333, 01-05-2006 05:37 PM
      its just too cold now to have fun making parts....so theres not much fabrication but theres enough other stuff to figure out: I still want to make the TT cluster work with the fiero and I am shopping around for goodies to get my engineswap going.......faster hope to receive stuff like a zzp stage2 IC and 3.0/2.8/2.6 MPS and snout soon.....but it will be a challenge to get everything running...

Heres some semi-interior thingie I am working on





Carswell...Wellscar (matt_13carswell@hotmail.com) MSG #334, 01-06-2006 07:41 PM
      i'm guessing that the last pic of a pic of your replacement part for the fisher body door thing lol ...looks good ..keep up dating plz lol

matt

BITBYFIEROBUG MSG #335, 01-10-2006 10:52 AM
      Bump...any new progress?

By the way, I hate the fact that you're a better fiberglasser than me. God I'm envious.

My fiance also says you're ruining our relationship because I spend to much time analizing your build ups.



FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #336, 01-10-2006 03:42 PM
      I jut had a quick question for you, when you are doing the carbon fiber, what type of resin are you using, I've looked into it but just figured to ask you. The peices came out great and, I though you could elaborate on the processs if you get some time. thank

Great WORK



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #337, 02-06-2006 09:04 AM
     
Starving for an update.

Feed us !

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #338, 02-06-2006 02:37 PM
      Sorry I am still in my wintersleep so most of the time I just lurk around here...
.. slowly working out a few ideas though and theres still a pile of need-to-build-stuff to keep me busy when the weather gets better. In the meantime I will play with some gathering toys on my table



HI-TECH (centralvalley606@yahoo.com) MSG #339, 03-08-2006 03:05 PM
      elbumpo for de updateo :P

cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #340, 03-08-2006 07:42 PM
      Yeah, what he said. Updateo

ibcruzn (shaneroden@hotmail.com) MSG #341, 03-08-2006 09:39 PM
      I really love what you have done so far.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #342, 03-09-2006 08:03 AM
      Here is littelo updateo... I havent done much this winter but I am slowly getting back to work. I finished the mold for the rightside dash frame (the inside is nice and smooth):

And I finally figured how to wire the relays for the window touchbuttons


I hope to put more time and work into this buildup this spring....


1986 Fiero GT (trevorjecklund@gmail.com) MSG #343, 03-09-2006 08:32 AM
      Are those relays for one-touch down operation?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #344, 03-09-2006 09:06 AM
      No I use them so I dont burn my pushbuttons and they are also for switching polarity to the windowmotors....Heres a bit more why and how:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/071287.html
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20060206-2-062039.html


Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #345, 03-27-2006 12:32 PM
      Bump for a badass interior. Any updates?

Angel_Valentino (angel.villa@myoasis.colum.edu) MSG #346, 03-27-2006 01:35 PM
      DUde your work is HOT! By any cnance are you in Industrial Design? Oh yeah and I love the checkerplate on the floor, i always wanted to do that, how did you get it to fit so perfectly? Is it metal?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #347, 03-27-2006 02:50 PM
      I was just gonna post an update...
...just popped the right side frame from the mold yesterday:

now I can trim and blend some pieces that have been waiting:

heres a rough mockup:

somewhere in the process I figured the TT vent was 8cm diameter but in fact it needs a 9cm diameter housing, got it to fit nicely though, maybe it will look even better.
Still need to mount the windowbuttons relays, theyre ready to go

However, I need to pull the main dash sometime to re-cover it and touch up some stuff... that means pulling some other parts first so I am saving up some of these mods before installing them..




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #348, 03-27-2006 03:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Angel_Valentino:
DUde your work is HOT! By any cnance are you in Industrial Design? Oh yeah and I love the checkerplate on the floor, i always wanted to do that, how did you get it to fit so perfectly? Is it metal?

thanks, I am not in industrial design but "design" is part of my work and interest ....( I make broadcast TV leaders and program design as a job) I like to use my hands and actually build stuff in my freetime though...
The checkerplate on the floor: I got a piece of 1x2m (I think 2mm thick) aluminium plate from a metal shop and cut the shapes. I think I made some cardboard template first...Actually I had them on both sides untill I crashed my first GT almost 6 years ago, the right side was bent too much to get it back in shape


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #349, 04-02-2006 02:13 PM
      Some parts put together, needs some more smoothing and sanding but everything fits:


this should end up roughly about here:


It needs about an inch more to fit to the main dash and I have to cut part of the stock vent-thingie first and remove the stock vents...but not today The width and shapes line up great though


Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #350, 04-02-2006 02:43 PM
      Wow, originally I thought this was going to look a little to "sci-fi" but this is AWESOME. Any ideas on the instrument clusters? Still plan on using the Audi cluster?


Keep the pics comming, they're amazing.


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #351, 04-02-2006 02:56 PM
      An artist at work!!! Beautiful stuff!!

MuStAnG MSG #352, 04-04-2006 10:19 PM
      Hey man I was directed to this site from another forum, I dont know much about Fiero's or anything, and am more into Mustang's myself, but thought that your build up is absolutely incredible. From the design to the actual build up it is incredible. My hat is off to you my friend, so keep up the good work as I am very interested in how the outcome turns out. Also I had a question as to what program you used to design the 3-D model.

Thanks a lot.

UCFieroCharger (carjlinn@gmail.com) MSG #353, 04-05-2006 12:35 AM
      Any news on the TT dash? I would be very interested in seeing how that would work out.

Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #354, 04-09-2006 10:31 PM
      Another bump for a sweet project

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #355, 04-15-2006 03:06 PM
      Yes I still plan on using the TT cluster...but if I cant get it to work I consider some aftermarket gauges...maybe with this style cluster housing, sort of, maybe not... (this is a Noble M12)

Anyway, with easter weekend in sight I decided to pull out a few beers and the dash


Got it all out pretty quick and the interior looks drastically different now...lol
Some of the stuff I took out:

Reason: I need to do some refurbishing of the main dash first before I can proceed with the buildup. Trying to find the amount of cutting of the original vent and a comparison with the new addon:

After all that work it still isnt that far off the original shapes....lol


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #356, 04-15-2006 03:42 PM
      Sort of how its gonna fit:

On to the main dash fresh-up, lining up the piece of vinyl for the recovery

Lets get dirty and sticky

It took some attention to get it all in shape and stay in shape....while the glue slowly dried I repainted the windshield vent frame and cut some new mesh for the vent...also cut the openings for the speakergrills and windshield vent from the vinyl.

Looks pretty neat!

One more thing, I need to redo the speakergrills now. This is the same cloth from the same roll (I did them about 5 years ago) looks its worthy to do again


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #357, 04-15-2006 04:21 PM
      Nice. That bring back similar memories of my choptop dash. Like I've always said, "nothings wrong with the original dash...it just need a minor tweaking."

Keep up the good work.



exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #358, 04-15-2006 04:31 PM
     

Now that is a really cool tweek to the stock dash !

I will definatly try that on my project GT.



magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #359, 04-15-2006 05:34 PM
      sweet, looks good. I was hoping for a update.

Gokart Mozart MSG #360, 04-15-2006 10:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
Looks pretty neat!

Looking good but I'm wondering about the reflection on the windshield.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #361, 04-16-2006 05:20 AM
      Yeah thats why I didnt do the speakergrills the same way....I hope the vent alone wont give too much reflection.

Ah I own page 10 !

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 04-16-2006).]

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #362, 04-17-2006 11:31 AM
      Very nice dash build-up. I too agree that the vent will become a good sun reflector. It looks cool though.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #363, 04-18-2006 03:02 PM
      Sunday I put the maindash back in place, hooked up only a few connectors..lol.. and took it for a drive. The vent does reflect some but it is very low on the windshield and not in the direct line of sight and it is not disturbing. I bet a painted fiberglass dash will reflect a lot more...and I try to stay in style


Got the speakergrills recovered too. Before mounting the dash there was some (re)wiring to tackle, wired the sidemirror blinkers but they didnt work at the first test (and the battery was low) will check that later, also did the "pegging temperature gauge" rewire.....not sure if it did anything because the gauge was dead to start with.

Mounted and tiewrapped the crossovers and speakerwires.....I have pushed them behind the dash for years and they kept falling down once in a while...done now!

Down to the midconsole, I have a shifter rebuild kit from Rodney sitting and this is the time to do it


The shifter assembly wasnt worn much but after the rebuild it feels a lot better.
Routed the vacuum line of the vac/boost(!) gauge and an always hot + for the 7-led gauges, so they remember the setting instead of giving the colorcycle lightshow every time I start the fiero..hehe.

more coming


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #364, 04-18-2006 03:28 PM
      next is to hookup the window relays. Started with the passenger side in case I screw up

Woohoo, I made something electrical and it works!

Other side works fine too. I have been looking at several spots in the midconsole to fit these relays and wiring, best option is in front of the shifter; theres a lot of empty space there. Figured where to mount the relays to the existing bracket, 3 from this side

and one here. It also cleanes up the old mirror wiring around the shifter this way..

...hmm some tweaking..?


Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #365, 04-18-2006 04:38 PM
      I am so impressed with your skill and attention to detail, seriously way to go man.
Can't wait to see more pics, any chance of some full desklid shots, I wanna see how all the vents and grills look together.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #366, 04-20-2006 07:01 PM
      ^ sorry I discovered I dont have many pics of these vents together... this shows how it works with the rearend...

and heres some pre-fitting of the passenger side dash...I guess it will make sense when everything is done, painted or upholstered






doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #367, 04-20-2006 08:40 PM
      Definitely turning out to be one of the nicest, if not THE nicest interior on the forum. Very tasteful and stylish, I like it



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #368, 04-23-2006 03:12 PM
      Thanks cc4 My goal still is to make it look like some evolution Fiero dash....and maybe some bling in the details...

Ive been trying several glue-methods to get the vinyl stick and stay in shape. The regular carpetglue I used for the main dash is kind of brittle when its dried up and it still smells bad in the car, tried some professional spray on glue on an other part, it sticks well but doesnt hold stretched vinyl. Hot glue gun was the answer....Here I used the spray glue on the top and hot glue at the back to get a nice fit



Trying out one other idea to see how it will match with the TT vent...I call it the "Streak" I am not starting to buildup the doorpanels yet but just wanted to see how it lines up

its just a cheap piece 8mm diameter aluminium tubing, it will snap right into your doorpanel, could do some hidden mounting but I just used 3 bolts now

hmmmm...what if....yes a 5mm led is just a drop in!

might have to get some red leds now....lol..funny how these things pop up...



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #369, 04-27-2006 02:03 PM
      dusted off the rear midconsole plug (aka subwoofer housing) and started to do some more smoothing and prepping for taking a mold hopefully in the next weeks




...got the right frame ready for the last coat of primer

and some paint. It needs another layer and some clear but it starts to look like this:




88White3.4GT MSG #370, 04-27-2006 05:07 PM
      WOW
very amazing work. keep it up


MuStAnG MSG #371, 05-01-2006 01:53 AM
      damn its coming along great!!! Question, interior only, how much is this project cost?? What is your approximate cost for your completed interior? Just to give me an idea. Thanks!

Slater_334 (whooda@gmail.com) MSG #372, 05-10-2006 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MuStAnG:

damn its coming along great!!! Question, interior only, how much is this project cost?? What is your approximate cost for your completed interior? Just to give me an idea. Thanks!


with or without the time invested...

your car is amazing. keep great work.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #373, 05-12-2006 02:01 PM
      Its hard to quote the costs.. Its not killing my "budget" for shure...I am not really keeping a record of the costs and what do you count in? The material costs only are not that high.....off course labour is the biggest bill if someone gets paid for it lol From my body buildup I learned some better planning and testing but it still takes many hours. The basic materials dont have to be costly....I guess the supplies of fiberglass/bondo/primer/paint etc maybe $200 so far, used TT parts (vents/shiftring/cluster) eehm total $200....3 aftermarket aux gauges shipped from the usa about $180, I bought the mrmike seats and the stereo setup more then 5 years ago...many of these costs are spread over past years And it comes down to your personal taste what you spend where...
So in short a basic custom dash buildup can be done without many costs but needs ideas and a lot of work to get it done nicely...all the bells and whistles are the big variable in such a project...

Oww, I owe an update on the subwoofer housing, next post


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #374, 05-12-2006 03:21 PM
      from right to left: my old subbox, plug of the new one and a rough mold of it...and still no product lol.


I have long arms so when I built my first subbox I tried to build a small but efficient box...in the new design the sub is moved upwards so its even more ergonomic...time for layup

tweeked the front ring and the sub fits fine

I am cutting some corners because I want to finish it soon...I have to make 3 seperate pieces from one mold and extent some edges afterward so they fit well together


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #375, 05-12-2006 07:32 PM
      Took out the midconsole parts off the Fiero yesterday.....one reason: by accident (or luck) I used a slighty different paint # on the right dash part...but it looks much better with both the interior and exterior colors so I want to repaint the already finished midconsole pieces with the new color.
Second or main reason is to make it easier to mockup the new parts for testfitting, modelling, testfitting modelling and testfitting so thats the first job starting here


the start of completing this piece,,,cant wait to cover it.


... right now I have to hotwire every startup without having my usual switches! lol


magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #376, 05-12-2006 07:40 PM
      awesome work.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #377, 05-13-2006 04:46 PM
      thanks magot how is your project going?
I have a meeting tomorrow so thats some nice deadline to get some stuff done....did a lot today
cleaned up the interior lol

stripped most of the finished panels, wetsanded them with 400grit and did a repaint and clear. this one is just before paint

putting some of it together again

want to get that midconsole piece done...

hot glue, a nife and some vinyl....yeah I burned and cut my fingers a few times but damn its starting to look good!




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #378, 05-13-2006 05:03 PM
      more close

little mockup in the fiero


looks I built some blingbling playstation controller lol...


Jake_Dragon MSG #379, 05-13-2006 05:44 PM
      Your skills are really coming together, if you dont mind my asking how old are you?
You should get out and let people see your work so you can get the chance to share it with the world.
Thanks for taking the time and letting us see your work.
Jake

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 05-13-2006).]

magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #380, 05-13-2006 10:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

thanks magot how is your project going?


Its not. Been to busy, but I plan on starting it back up soon. here is a rough draft, it looks better in my head.




it is going to be roundish. You guys will see, hopefully this summer. Thanks for asking.

Keep up your great work man. I love it



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #381, 05-14-2006 01:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Your skills are really coming together, if you dont mind my asking how old are you?
You should get out and let people see your work so you can get the chance to share it with the world.
Thanks for taking the time and letting us see your work.
Jake


Jake, I am 35, maybe young enough to have crazy ideas and old enough to have patience to get it done..
I put the finished and unfinished stuff in for the meeting...heres a few I snapped afterwards


Its gonna flow nice when its done...
Here are a few pics of todays meeting, parked next to Stan (my-fiero)

later in the day

7 more fiero's

About 500 american cars and classics attended today, I have a lot more pics but may post them in a seperate thread if you would like to see them..



Jake_Dragon MSG #382, 05-14-2006 03:52 PM
      Enough fun, start working on the doors
The center arm rest looks great!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #383, 05-14-2006 05:25 PM
      Yeah I am pretty happy how it turns out, also the subbox doesnt interfere while shifting so form and function work well so far

Uhm youre right about the doors.... Ive been working on some ideas though
Here are the latest sketches:
analog

digi

still needs some tweeking and sorting but its coming closer to a startoff point for a buildup....


87_FieroGT (davidandnidia@protonmail.com) MSG #384, 05-14-2006 07:44 PM
      Fantastic work! This is one of the best threads on the board. Thanks for the informative updates and keep up the great work.



F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #385, 05-28-2006 04:30 PM
      You're my newest hero! You've inspired me to go above and beyond what I was thinking of doing with my car and your choice of materials is awesome. I've been having some trouble trying to think of something to use as my head liner and the perf vinyl idea with subtle perf vinyl accents to tie it together seems like a great idea. Thank you so much again for sharing everything you've done and the thought process behind your work.

ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #386, 05-28-2006 04:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


Jake, I am 35,




LOL U OLD FART





ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #387, 05-28-2006 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


Jake, I am 35,




LOL U OLD FART





Yellow87FieroGT (yellow87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #388, 05-29-2006 11:06 PM
      This is really cool!!!

proff (fiero128@gmail.com) MSG #389, 05-29-2006 11:13 PM
      what only 35
I'm 45 in december



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #390, 06-05-2006 11:36 AM
      Ok, on to the doorpanels! I spent quite some time planning and looking how to mount the pieces and make them line up with the original panel because I will be reusing all of the original panel minus the map pockets. I like the way RCR (thanks Bob!) did his midconsole, basicly a frame with polyester cloth stretched to get the shapes, so I will try something simmilar because it could work nice for the armrest/pocket piece. First another photoshop to get the whole picture in my head:

I dropped the idea of an open pocket because it will be hard to reach for stuff with a shallow opening so it will get 'doors'....also did some mockup with cardboard to get an idea how to build it.

Back to the drawing board....to draw on the board..lol

cut pieces and a mockup

I never bothered about the original pockets but its kind of funny after all the tweeking to find it could fit like this too, its pretty close..

but that isnt the plan.......!




Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #391, 06-05-2006 12:01 PM
      The trick I am trying to do is to make a setup to make one side first and use the same wooden shapes in a setup mirrored to get the other side...will be using these pieces (bevel is the same on both sides), tape and saran wrap before cloth and fiberglass

I am only using hot glue for mounting and the cloth, its strong enough and still easy to take it apart later.

Another project is to start working on the shape for the CF insert


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #392, 06-05-2006 12:03 PM
     
 
quote
I like the way RCR (thanks Bob!) did his midconsole,


Glad I helped inspire a true artist...

Bob

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #393, 06-05-2006 02:23 PM
      lol, thanks! I learned something else today, before popping a product it needs some fiberglass to make it stiff enough, but you will lose detail...still need to do that even when I want to reinforce it from the back....the thing I learned is to choose the right fiberglass
Heres a comparison of one piece covered with a couple layers of fiberglass and one with woven fiberglass

the latter keeps the shape much better and the other needs a little more sanding now.
rough testfit, it needs finishing and more trimming but its going to look ok.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #394, 06-05-2006 03:15 PM
      Lookin' good.

Mister MSG #395, 06-11-2006 02:10 PM
      Fie Ro, no words...It's all been said B4, just a tip of the 'chapeau'.



SLOWnSTEADY (keithschutte@aol.com) MSG #396, 06-11-2006 05:49 PM
      you have too much talent!!!

you should give some of it to me ; )


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #397, 06-11-2006 07:20 PM
      Thanks for the nice words... I appreciate them everytime ...it keeps me going with this crazy stuff.....!
havent done much for backup though lately....lol
This is a sketch of the armrest and pocket door...

Some random pics
rightside dash (wideangle)

outside

today's outside view



HI-TECH (centralvalley606@yahoo.com) MSG #398, 06-12-2006 02:59 AM
      so when are you gonna make molds of your front nose piece?

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #399, 06-12-2006 04:52 AM
      Ok I will take one in beechwood and RHD ok?

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #400, 06-12-2006 10:06 AM
      Fie Ro,

Any chance you could post side by side, or on top of one another, shots of the computer generated concept you first came up with versus the nearly finished product ?

I think it would be an amazing comparison, and tribute to your workmanship.

Thanks.

Tony

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Kohburn MSG #401, 06-12-2006 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by HI-TECH:

so when are you gonna make molds of your front nose piece?


hey hey, i already claimed first in line for that ;P


Angel_Valentino (angel.villa@myoasis.colum.edu) MSG #402, 06-14-2006 02:02 PM
      wow I am an Industrial Design Student and I must say you put me to shame. Also I am curious as to what software you used for your renderings. They look quite badass. Good work by the way, and keep it up, you've definitely raised the bar.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #403, 06-14-2006 04:49 PM
      I used Cinema4D for the early 3D renderings but I havent used it since I started the buildup. Any 3D program should work because I used mostly primitives like cubes and tubes and combined them....and I built most plugs from MDF and PVC tubing which is almost the same principle....a basic 3D setup helps a lot to get an idea of the final shapes. For the later renderings I just used my pics and photoshop, A lot of details have been changed during the process though but the main "concept" is still close. The biggest challenge is to make everything work together and so far I am pretty happy how it turns out
Having learned from the body buildup and mistakes there are some principles I try to stick to:
1. Look at the whole picture , some individual fancy mods alone will not do the job if they dont "work" together .
2. How and where to mount the stuff, this is essential for a good fit. If thats planned well it will all plug together easy...My midconsole and dash are only held by a few screws, most of it just clicks in place (plug&play). I can remove/install most of it within minutes....Since I am working on my daily driver this is very convenient
3. Beer.


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #404, 06-14-2006 04:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

3. Beer


Most important factor?!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #405, 06-15-2006 07:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:

Most important factor?!


And most costly factor


Angel_Valentino (angel.villa@myoasis.colum.edu) MSG #406, 06-17-2006 10:25 AM
      So, I have a question? How is working w/ fiberglass, I'm a total newbie at this but after seeing the kick-ass stuff fie ro has been doing I definitely want to get started on this. Is it hard to maneuver? Are there any tips/advice you guys can provide for me from your experiences? Is it dangerous? Will I die by the time Im thirty? Any feedback is very appreciated thanks.

Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #407, 06-18-2006 11:33 AM
      Very nice job on the interior. It's nice to see fresh ideas for the 22 year old Fiero interior. I love the silver accents. I did a 355 type a couple of years ago and I'm currently looking into another interior for the 360 replica guys. It's alot of work though. Rob


slinger MSG #408, 07-09-2006 07:34 PM
      love the dash makes me wanna redo mine is your front and rear bumper covers custom or aftermarket ??

Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #409, 07-10-2006 08:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Thanks for the nice words... I appreciate them everytime ...it keeps me going with this crazy stuff.....!
havent done much for backup though lately....lol
This is a sketch of the armrest and pocket door...

Some random pics
rightside dash (wideangle)




I am so glad to see that this project of yours keeps getting better. Here is my nit picky questions and an idea of the day.

I am wondering how hard it would have been to blend the vents over the main dash like you did with the gauge panel. I think it would make it look even more custom/integrated. Still think it rocks the way you have it, just wondering if the curves of windshield/door area made that a bit to much work or just would look like to much

Also, I keep looking at the layering effect of the center console and I see your moving the materials into your door panel design. Might I suggest you layer it up using the same materials in the same sequence so it flows as a theme rather than ending up with something that doesn't look quite as integrated. Maybe even go with some carpet at the bottom of the door panels that matches the floor carpet so it flows up like the center console.

Your styling

Hey I notice the original drawings do have the carpet coming up the doors... and that you lost the glove box button along the way. Is the glovebox functional yet? I think I prefer it looking the way you have it, the center gauges and the vents are enough. One of those hidden latches where you just push on the door and it pops open might be the way to go.

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #410, 07-11-2006 05:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
I am so glad to see that this project of yours keeps getting better. Here is my nit picky questions and an idea of the day.

You have some good questions here, I had to deal with some of them already so I'll try to explain what I did so far and why...

 
quote

I am wondering how hard it would have been to blend the vents over the main dash like you did with the gauge panel. I think it would make it look even more custom/integrated. Still think it rocks the way you have it, just wondering if the curves of windshield/door area made that a bit to much work or just would look like to much

Yes that was the plan but I found out it wouldnt look "balanced" because the vent would need to move up about 1/2 inch and it would not line up with some other details like I am planning on the doorpanel...plus it looks more arrow like and flows better to the sides now (I hope)

 
quote

Also, I keep looking at the layering effect of the center console and I see your moving the materials into your door panel design. Might I suggest you layer it up using the same materials in the same sequence so it flows as a theme rather than ending up with something that doesn't look quite as integrated. Maybe even go with some carpet at the bottom of the door panels that matches the floor carpet so it flows up like the center console.

I try to do something like that but with a twist.....the midconsole shapes will start at the back and flow down, The front dash shape will flow backwards at the doors...Fiddling with the materials and looks is pretty time consuming but important for the final look I guess...In short the main choice is to use painted fiberglass for frame looking parts, tan vinyl for 'soft' rounded shapes, black vinyl for top covering and armrests, aluminium mesh for vents, CF for inserted pieces and "drilled holes" rings for the vents/gauges/shifter/subwoofer.....and it all has to work together

 
quote

Your styling
Hey I notice the original drawings do have the carpet coming up the doors... and that you lost the glove box button along the way. Is the glovebox functional yet? I think I prefer it looking the way you have it, the center gauges and the vents are enough. One of those hidden latches where you just push on the door and it pops open might be the way to go.

I will use the tan vinyl to cover the lower part of the doors. Yes I lost the glovebox button because it looks cleaner this way...its relocated below the sidevent already where it fits better (the little round thingie on the pic), thats an electric pushbutton and I will try to use a fiero doorlock solenoid to open the glovebox (if I can find it, I know I have 2 of them somewhere in a box lol)

 
quote
Originally posted by slinger:
love the dash makes me wanna redo mine is your front and rear bumper covers custom or aftermarket ??

custom made...story is in my body buildup (see link in my sign)
Sorry if I forgot something, have been working 10 long days abroad and really need to get some sleep now..,
btw I put some work into the subconsole and doorpanels before that.......later



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #411, 07-30-2006 06:45 PM
      I have lost a lot of time but starting to catch up The midconsole is almost ready...the sub housing took a lot of time. Still needs a little tweaking and final paint but its close to be considered finished...lol



Went to a local meeting today so I put everything roughly in place this morning




cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #412, 07-30-2006 10:32 PM
      Do you have anything planned for the drivers side?

Fantastic work man.


yellowstone MSG #413, 07-31-2006 07:42 AM
      Very very nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the interior in person soon. Are you coming over for the tranny before the meet?

Tusch (john.partusch@gmail.com) MSG #414, 07-31-2006 09:34 AM
      I doubt you have hooked it up yet, but definately want to know how the sub sounds in that position.

Also, are you still working on a new gauge surround or are you just going to modify the stock one because of all the difficulties you ran into.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #415, 07-31-2006 03:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:
Do you have anything planned for the drivers side?
Fantastic work man.

It will get the same sidevent setup and a new instrument cluster, more about that in the last reply below...thanks

 
quote
Originally posted by yellowstone:
Very very nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the interior in person soon. Are you coming over for the tranny before the meet?

I should get several days off soon so I hope I can make it before the meeting. I had to replace a non-replace-able heater tube and fitting last week (started leaking bad) but the fiero runs fine and cool as usual ...hmm Autobahn hmmm

 
quote
Originally posted by Tusch:
I doubt you have hooked it up yet, but definately want to know how the sub sounds in that position.
Also, are you still working on a new gauge surround or are you just going to modify the stock one because of all the difficulties you ran into.

It isnt hooked up yet, I am also redoing the amp/cd changer rack so most of the system is disconnected. I ran the Boston sub in my first box in the same location, it had a tight bass and good sound quality...using the same speaker for this box.

The instrument cluster has become one of the last items to think about...still havent looked much into the TT cluster wiring to make it work with the stock housing. If it doesnt work I will go with seperate aftermarket gauges...
a bit like this...but different





ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #416, 07-31-2006 05:34 PM
      lol,,,u call that wee-wee small thing bass...

Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #417, 07-31-2006 05:39 PM
      With the right music his right arm will be rubber in 10 minutes!!

ducattiman (ducattiman@yahoo.com) MSG #418, 07-31-2006 07:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:

With the right music his right arm will be rubber in 10 minutes!!



lmao maybe a little numb but not rubber


Oversteer (neil.wilcox@aecom.com) MSG #419, 08-11-2006 12:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mister:

Fie Ro, no words...It's all been said B4, just a tip of the 'chapeau'.



You've been in Montreal too long hahaha. But I guess you can't beat the bagels, poutine, ladies, and well I could go on for days. hahaha

This car is shaping up to be the nicest Fiero on this Forum and maybe this planet? haha

Respectful designs, and no cheese (or fromage if you will) ricer mods like useless scoopes and under car lighting.

Keep up the good work, this thread is an inspriation to start yet another one of my failed projects



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #420, 08-14-2006 04:56 PM
      Sorry I am slow at posting updates.....so...more on the doorpanel pieces :
..Didnt like all the inward curves so I did some reshaping to give it more "body" where needed


I am using glasbubbles/microballoons more and more as a filler here because it bonds real good to fiberglass (same resin), lightweight and easy to sand

Before cutting the armrest and box door I made a mold, setting up

first layer of glass

etc...
I left some extra edge material before taking the mold, now I can trim the original panel to make it fit.


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #421, 08-14-2006 04:59 PM
      Setting up the cutting lines



Removed some material of the rear of a stock armrest to do another mockup
Although not intended, this would work too

But the idea still is to use the new armrest cover piece

The cutout could be shaped different ways.....still need to play with that

A sort of translation of how I look at it


cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #422, 08-14-2006 07:07 PM
      Dude, you are amazing. My hat off to ya.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #423, 08-14-2006 07:48 PM
      Looks really, really good!



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #424, 08-15-2006 03:15 PM
      Thanks...but it doesnt come easy...
I finished and polished the subwoofer housing and waxed it to take a 3 part mold:


setting up for the first piece



And I forgot the combo of Motip paint, wax and resin will make it a mess....



Looks pretty bad eh? But its fixable..So far I got the molds mostly cleaned up with some carefull use of paint stripper...the subwoofer needs new finish lol...but Ive "been there, done that" before..it will be easier now


cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #425, 08-16-2006 01:01 AM
      Now that you have a mold, does this mean that you could be talked into making more for sale?

dmancheno MSG #426, 08-16-2006 11:06 AM
      Ditto

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #427, 08-16-2006 12:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:
Now that you have a mold, does this mean that you could be talked into making more for sale?

Not yet......for now I keep it as a backup.
Maybe in the future when the interior is finished...


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #428, 08-21-2006 06:59 AM
      Looking good.

cire36 (duncan863@gmail.com) MSG #429, 08-21-2006 08:25 PM
      I have a question (excuse me if the answere is not bovious to me). If you are not sure that you plan on selling copies of your work, why are you maling molds of everything? Is it so if you need to replace any part, you have the mold to do so?

Thanks and good work.


Jake_Dragon MSG #430, 08-21-2006 08:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:

I have a question (excuse me if the answere is not bovious to me). If you are not sure that you plan on selling copies of your work, why are you maling molds of everything? Is it so if you need to replace any part, you have the mold to do so?

Thanks and good work.


He's going to sell me the molds and I'm going to be rich
I have been contemplating a new front bumper, its going to look a lot like the one in this thread. Inspiration is a good thing. Once I get some more pictures I will post a prototype for your approval. Then you can make it for me


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #431, 08-22-2006 09:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by cire36:

I have a question (excuse me if the answere is not bovious to me). If you are not sure that you plan on selling copies of your work, why are you maling molds of everything? Is it so if you need to replace any part, you have the mold to do so?

Thanks and good work.


Well there are several reasons to make molds.
As you can see earlier in this thread many plugs started out in Mdf and Pvc tubing, not something I want in the fiero, I want light fiberglass pieces, so of these parts I already had to make molds and fiberglass products.
When you have molds you can take some parts of these shapes as parts to buildup a plug of a new part....like I used a partial copy of the grey midconsole piece to start the same shape on the subwoofer plug..
The doorpanels will be cut for armrest and glovebox...once you start cutting its hard to go back so I will take a mold first. Having a mold gives some flexibilty because you can always start over when you screw up later....and its just a little extra work compared to the whole process and all the time involved.
I want to be able to make pieces available but I want to finish the interior first so I know everything fits and works together. The goal has always been to make it plug&play where possible and make individual pieces work too with the stock interior.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #432, 08-24-2006 04:52 AM
      Ok I figured how to mount the hinges and mounting brackets...used some pieces of scrapmetal and glassed them to the back of the panel. I will be using the same hinges as the midconsole armrest....here we go:


Of course I want to see it upholstered now ! Pulled out the gluegun and started to put some blisters on my hands (no really)

Now its starting to get the looks..!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #433, 08-24-2006 07:13 AM
      And this arrived this morning:

Yo Mo !
Out of the box, into the Fiero

I already had an adapter so I only had to swap the wheel itself.....note I also have a new shifter knob in a matching style...

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #434, 08-24-2006 12:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:




I like your style but, you might want to look at MOMO's floor aluminum floor mat thingie. IMO I'd go with the MOMO flooring and sell the other aluminum you have on the floor. That way, everything is in uniform, sterring wheel, shiftter, and flooring.



GonsaiPK MSG #435, 08-24-2006 03:32 PM
      That is really, really, ridiculously good-looking.

(But I vote for regular old carpet floors; aluminum might be a bit too much. Then again, if anyone can pull it off, it's you.)


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #436, 08-24-2006 03:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
I like your style but, you might want to look at MOMO's floor aluminum floor mat thingie. IMO I'd go with the MOMO flooring and sell the other aluminum you have on the floor. That way, everything is in uniform, sterring wheel, shiftter, and flooring.


I see what you mean, looked for a momo mat thingie, this one is nice

But after the first look something like this doesnt look more practical... you got me thinking why I am sticking to my old mat for now...hehe :
First, what I have is some industrial grade plate that takes a lot of abuse and I like the fact it covers a large area... I jump into this car almost every day, rain or shine (or snow) and it will catch the dirt and water. Theres a little "F" hole in the middle though.... used to have a copper cutout of the Fiero logo "F" but it fell out some years ago lol
and I already planned a piece of simmilar aluminium plating on the lower door panel so I guess this will be a variation on the theme.....so we dont get bored


And for some reason I dont want all these logo's on my fiero....its not a MoMo...


..its a genuine Concept GTR lol...dont care much about the name but at least its my choice, its just Roderick's GT and I abuse it with my ideas, hence the name. This logo can be easily hidden by the door...lol
and also today I fitted the only logo the backside will get...


the funny thing is that GTR on a car doesnt mean anything nowadays



THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #437, 08-24-2006 06:18 PM
      Fie Ro
Are you going to offer a kit of your interior ? I will buy it!

PM please with details.

Thanks,
JG


RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #438, 08-24-2006 10:19 PM
      Hey Fie Ro, I gotta tell you that you are da man!! your work is awsome. I was wondering (just started following your thread awhile back) if you did the carbon fiber door sills with the lettering yourself?? If so how? I have some fiberglass ones for my replica build and would like to do something similar.

RUNDLC

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Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #439, 08-25-2006 12:30 AM
      Have you given any thought to using hidden latches like the ones for cabinets where you just push once to latch and again to open?

What is the material you used for covering the new door storage area? You did a great looking job covering it with just a glue gun.

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PaulJK MSG #440, 08-25-2006 02:10 AM
      You might consider the clear floor mats that PepBoys, AutoZone, etc have. They're formed with a channel and ridge around the edge to hold in water and dirt. They're also clear so your carpet color would show through.

you're clearly a master at fiberglass work ... WOW ... not one wave in anything you've made. The pics of the top of the silver sub / console piece are amazing

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fierofetish (nickcann@teleline.es) MSG #441, 08-25-2006 08:41 AM
      Good taste, if I may say so...oh!! Sorry, this one is mine !!!

Nick



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #442, 08-31-2006 05:53 PM
      well... no real news...got the subwoofer re-finished and painted just before the dutch meeting..it took some work.

other than that I finally tried some photoshops to visualise some Ipod mod idea thats been floating for a long time.
I am not a gadget guy and I dont have an Ipod but had to try a photoshop just to see how it could look. Took the measurements from the apple site and made a paper cutout. Was supposed to put it on the armrest to take a reference pic but the camera crapped out...but I have the approx. dimensions...here are the tryouts



hm...it interferes but it also looks funky


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #443, 08-31-2006 06:24 PM
      You might want to think about putting that in the dash somewhere instead of the arm rest.

Fiero~Spataro (alexspataro@rogers.com) MSG #444, 09-01-2006 01:22 AM
      prob the coolest fiero on the planet
amazing work


Jake_Dragon MSG #445, 09-08-2006 05:37 PM
      Cats out of the bag now

 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:







Thanks Fie Ro


thumper_64735 (william.m.powell@us.army.mil) MSG #446, 09-20-2006 02:42 AM
      This is an awsome build Fie Ro. You have inspired me to work on mine when I get home. I have Been joting dpwn some ideas for it, but never thouht of using MDF as a former to make molds off of. Anyway, keep up the excelent work, and I would love one of your center consoles, esecially if it will work with an automotic as well. Let me know when ya can have mine done, lol. Excellent work, can't wait to see the completed product.
*87 Fiero 300 HP 327 TPI http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/076811.html


Kohburn MSG #447, 10-05-2006 02:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

well... no real news...got the subwoofer re-finished and painted just before the dutch meeting..it took some work.

other than that I finally tried some photoshops to visualise some Ipod mod idea thats been floating for a long time.
I am not a gadget guy and I dont have an Ipod but had to try a photoshop just to see how it could look. Took the measurements from the apple site and made a paper cutout. Was supposed to put it on the armrest to take a reference pic but the camera crapped out...but I have the approx. dimensions...here are the tryouts




now thats cool - someone got a copy of the center console.. how about the nose? lol

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Scott-Wa (smcelhiney@comcast.net) MSG #448, 10-19-2006 12:40 AM
      Oh cool, so are you going to let some more copies of the console go.... maybe the rest of the dash also?

thumper_64735 (william.m.powell@us.army.mil) MSG #449, 10-19-2006 10:36 AM
      Fie ro. I sent a message a while back, but thought I would post another one here since I keep getting an internal error every time I try to sned it....GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR(not sure about my IP working right). I noticed that you sold a ceter console to Troy. I would also like to purchase one for my Fiero, especially since I just picked up a 5 spd. Please let me know how much one would cost. I am not planning on starting the interior till sometime this winter/next spring, so I am not in a real big hurry to get it to me. Anyway, let me know please. Thank you, Wiliam



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #450, 10-19-2006 03:20 PM
      Anything new on the door pannels?

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #451, 10-21-2006 07:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:
But I am still tempted to use some of these...:

Simple, heavy duty and rather cheap....



I'm not sure if it has been asked, but where did you get these?



thumper_64735 (william.m.powell@us.army.mil) MSG #452, 10-26-2006 01:37 AM
      Fie Ro
Been trying to message you, and it hasn't worked Did you say you were going to let some copies of your console go???? I'd be very interested if you are. Thanks, William



F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #453, 12-12-2006 10:11 AM
      To the top for all the newbies who could use a dose of custom inspiration!

jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #454, 12-27-2006 03:41 PM
     

fatmerk (jasonmerkl@gmail.com) MSG #455, 12-28-2006 07:53 PM
      I would also like to know the source of the buttons that you used in your interior build.
thanks

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atleastitruns MSG #456, 12-29-2006 12:09 AM
      Fie ro, are you going to make this console, or parts of it, be available for sale? Please.. :-p

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PaulJK MSG #457, 12-29-2006 01:44 AM
      Here's the link for the switches - about half-way down the page. Can I get some pluses for this ?

http://www.nfauto.co.uk/all_switches.htm


jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #458, 12-29-2006 02:38 AM
      Thanks, theres allot of useful stuff there.



kwagner MSG #459, 12-29-2006 02:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:

Here's the link for the switches - about half-way down the page. Can I get some pluses for this ?

http://www.nfauto.co.uk/all_switches.htm


That gave me some good ideas, thanks


Russmanu (russmanu7@aol.com) MSG #460, 12-30-2006 10:37 AM
      Hi, complete newbie to PFF here. Used to own a Fiero (on uk Fiero Forum- Russ 86 GT) and am thinking of getting another, especially after spending a lot of time over the holidays reading the Forums here.
But about this Concept Build-up-- Absolutely Awesome and the detail is phenomenal, not just in discussion but also the photos. Simply superb.

Keep up the great work, you are a real inspiration to us mere mortals.


88White3.4GT MSG #461, 02-24-2007 12:41 AM
      bump for updates

Ravant MSG #462, 02-24-2007 12:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:

how about the vents from the 01-04 tiburon



you can get chrome trim rings for em





Take it from someone who was stuck in an '03 Tibby for a few years, you don't want 'em if you want 'em to last. They look amazing. They're amazingly functional. Until they break. Which is usually quickly in relation to the car. >.<; Maybe I just got one with poor build quality, in which case, go for it! But, I don't know how commonly they break. The Pontiac G6 circular vents are nice too though.


F-I-E-R-O (andrew-rogers@stny.rr.com) MSG #463, 02-24-2007 01:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:

Here's the link for the switches - about half-way down the page. Can I get some pluses for this ?

http://www.nfauto.co.uk/all_switches.htm


Me next!



More...

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Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #464, 02-24-2007 11:50 AM
      Thanks for the interest in the midconsole
I want to make these pieces available but I dont know when...to make more parts I need to make some new molds first....and Ive been very fiero-lazy last months

Right now I am focused to get the engineswap and suspensionwork going firstů

For the buttons go to www.conrad.com
put this number in product search:
701401 - 89
these are the light touch buttons I used to control the windowmotors(relays)

701389 - 89
these need a firmer push, I use one as a starter button and the other 2 still need to be hooked up to something.

 
quote
Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O:



Yo ! These are funky


Fiero1Fan (fiero1fan@fieros.eu) MSG #465, 02-24-2007 01:31 PM
      Look great. I just wish I could get Conrad to work.


FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #466, 03-27-2007 07:20 PM
      any updates?

FierociousGT MSG #467, 04-02-2007 07:26 AM
      Fie Ro... looking good. I saw you center console on Troy Boys car at Daytona '07 I've looked over your pic and not sure if I missed it but where are the cup holders?

FierociousGT MSG #468, 04-16-2007 09:00 PM
      PM sent...

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #469, 04-25-2007 11:32 AM
     


bump for an update.


Lothurin (lothurin@gra.midco.net) MSG #470, 04-25-2007 10:56 PM
      I bought my switches here for my little project

http://www.action-electroni...om/switches.htm#Push



Emc209i (emc209i@yahoo.com) MSG #471, 05-26-2007 11:59 AM
      Bump. We need to see the finished car!

Fiero_runner (gocustom@aol.com) MSG #472, 06-18-2007 03:12 PM
      Bump for an update. Just found this, and I want to see more.

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #473, 07-18-2007 04:41 AM
      Bump for update , Fie RO, did you do anything new to your interior lately? Did you manage to adapt/install the gauge cluster?

-M


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #474, 08-06-2007 07:09 PM
      Bump to keep out of archives.

Fie RO, did you make any recent updates, or changes to your interior? I found some door handles that might work well on your car. I'll post pictures next time we'll get it in.

btw. do you have any more pictures of your interior?


-M


kawana (shawnyb@ymail.com) MSG #475, 08-26-2007 03:03 AM
     

antinull.com MSG #476, 09-10-2007 05:53 PM
      Bump any progress?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #477, 09-11-2007 02:23 PM
      progress on the car: yes
progress on the interior: no
Nowadays I am putting the time in restoring and upgrading the suspension and preparing for an engineswap...so the interior is gathering dust. But it will be finished someday, its just one of the many projects and sometimes the priorities change


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #478, 09-14-2007 03:15 AM
      Hi Fie RO, look what I found while digging though the archives. I was actually looking for info on Eddy Snaauw/Scot Tilden interiors and found an old post by you.
Do you remember having that Lycos website: http://members.lycos.nl/fierofiero/html/fiero.html ? Looks like it's been 6 years since the last update. You have come quite a long way. It's an inspiration to us all to see your progress over the years. (i.e. the subwoofer enclosure back then, and now..)
Now I wonder if I still have some old websites of mine floating around that I totally forgot about...

How is the Fiero coming?

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yellowstone MSG #479, 09-14-2007 08:04 AM
      It's actually quite embarassing what one can find on http://web.archive.org...

 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

Hi Fie RO, look what I found while digging though the archives. I was actually looking for info on Eddy Snaauw/Scot Tilden interiors and found an old post by you.
Do you remember having that Lycos website: http://members.lycos.nl/fierofiero/html/fiero.html ? Looks like it's been 6 years since the last update. You have come quite a long way. It's an inspiration to us all to see your progress over the years. (i.e. the subwoofer enclosure back then, and now..)
Now I wonder if I still have some old websites of mine floating around that I totally forgot about...

How is the Fiero coming?





Shad0wguy MSG #480, 09-14-2007 03:49 PM
      This is the first I have seen of this. I only have one word for you, Fie Ro...

WOOOOOOOOOOOW!

If I had 1/1000th of your skills maybe I could try to do something like yours.


Dewie MSG #481, 09-14-2007 07:06 PM
      I haven't spent any amount of time on this site in a couple of years - just haven't had the time and my Fiero is on the back-burner.

I would like to thank you - reading this thread has kept me EXTREMELY entertained for the past 2 + hours. The Quality of your work and your tastes are amazing. I only wish I had a fraction the time to invest in my Fiero that have invested in yours. You are a true insperation and I intend to continue following your build.

I have one question about your sub-enclosure though. I know with typical enclosures I have delt with they are built out of 3/4" MDF. I looked into building a custom fiberglass enclosure for under the dash of my Fiero and it was suggested to me that I build it up to a thickness of 3/4" as well. Have you done this with your enclosure? Also, how do you mount the decorative ring around your sub?

But really truly amazing work! Keep it up!


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #482, 09-15-2007 07:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by yellowstone:

It's actually quite embarassing what one can find on http://web.archive.org...



I wonder if I could use that to find the mysterious "Scot Tilden" interior. I'm sure there had to be a website in the past showing the built progress.
Probably will take a few hours.


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #483, 09-16-2007 07:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

progress on the car: yes
progress on the interior: no
Nowadays I am putting the time in restoring and upgrading the suspension and preparing for an engineswap...so the interior is gathering dust. But it will be finished someday, its just one of the many projects and sometimes the priorities change


Sounds all too familiar...

Bob



DESTOS (discojimbo@hotmail.com) MSG #484, 10-07-2007 02:03 PM
      Worked any on the interior yet?

kawana (shawnyb@ymail.com) MSG #485, 11-30-2007 02:39 PM
      bumpity bump

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #486, 01-13-2008 09:36 AM
     

bump for an awesome project.


kevin23k (kevin23k@wmconnect.com) MSG #487, 02-10-2008 03:54 PM
      BUMP

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #488, 03-10-2008 05:31 PM
      ok I have started a new interior project, sort of...it is behind the seats, no it is further back
I did some enginebay cleanup before winter and some painting in the trunk area. Then I started to think why I put so much time in a good looking engine(bay) while there was a simple/dirty trunk in front of it...

enter mission: pimp my trunk
A predecessor may be this trunk cover I had several years ago


Change that and add 4 side panels. And they must be removable. And blend with the interior style.etc.

The basic idea is a base frame that sits on the sides of the lower trunk part. Doesnt matter if the trunk is cut or stock...add a lower trunkcover that fits in the frame. front/rear panels that slot in the frame. and side panels that slot in the frame and between the front/rear panels. A very simple drawing:

Frame setup

I will be using 4mm MDF for the large surfaces, a few wooden profiles, fiberglass and resin for sealing and strengthening where needed....and later on some other detailing stuff..! hehe


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #489, 03-10-2008 06:00 PM
      Work on the first parts of the frame

first drawing and playing with the lower cover setup

some more playing

This is just a photoshop but pretty close to what needs to be done


A pic of the back of the frame glassed together



unboundmo (unboundmo@aol.com) MSG #490, 03-10-2008 06:29 PM
      ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS GTR FIERO IS

SA----WEET.

You do very clean work. I love the bodies new look. I love the interior though I have to get used to the hummer dash on the passenger side. "Clean" center consul.


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #491, 03-10-2008 06:47 PM
      Extremely Creative!

Emc209i (emc209i@yahoo.com) MSG #492, 03-10-2008 06:48 PM
      You beat me to the trunk idea. Although mine is going to be up front

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #493, 03-11-2008 04:36 PM
      I have 3 switches that need a mounting panel...and sometimes the solution is already there


progress

and some startoff material for the front panel and the left storage..

compartment door version 1.0



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #494, 03-12-2008 03:36 PM
      setting up pieces for the front panel:



Here I started to think its easier to get the outer shape by using 2 part foam...

fixing the 'guideframe' in place

first layer of blob

and after some more work it looks like this:



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #495, 03-17-2008 04:17 PM
      Slightly taped mockup. so far so good.

back to the drawing board...

time to mess it up !

more bondo and sanding...next is to make the template of the inserts and check the fit

transfer to the teardrop plate

lol note the first mistake and correction, I want the pattern exactly mirrored on both sides...stupid details


Fiero Owner MSG #496, 03-17-2008 04:26 PM
      The custom work you do is amazing, great job.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #497, 03-17-2008 06:57 PM
      Thanks !
Somehow I never get bored with my Fiero...

The latest progress is on the right side / pcm tray..
setting up the layout

..testfitting



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #498, 07-01-2008 01:27 PM
      Any updates!!

Such a great looking interior!!


metal144 MSG #499, 08-14-2008 02:14 PM
      Outstanding custom work very impressed!

kyunderdawg MSG #500, 08-14-2008 07:30 PM
      Dude! Awesome! Bad A$$! Those were the first thoughts I had when seeing this build. It makes me want to start on the appearance of mine instead of the performance. I hope that when I get my swap done that I'll have the money to start on the body and interior. All should be inspired by the build and design of your car!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #501, 08-15-2008 06:17 AM
      Here are some update pix, I finished some of the trunk parts:


Modified Phillips photoframe, it will be my showcase display !

Left piece almost finished, after this by accident I dropped a sharp object on it and will have to upholster it again now, and also add another tweak I almost forgot

I bought Dietmar's headliner...great quality !

After a lot of work and burned fingers it looks like this:



HC MSG #502, 09-20-2008 07:05 PM
      Great looking headliner, interior, trunk, front and rear bumper, paint, brakes, rims and headlamps. Great job on all of this. A + for you.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #503, 09-20-2008 09:25 PM
      Simply beautiful.

Bubbajuju MSG #504, 09-20-2008 11:44 PM
      Wow Fie Ro,
Really nice work. You've got me inspired. Thanks for the thread and pics!


marlboroman (broszd@aol.com) MSG #505, 09-21-2008 11:10 AM
      I must have missed it, but can you describe in a little detail how you get the vinyl to bend so tight around all of the radius's and still hold its shape? It looks so professional and tight. I have tried to do this before and I know how hard it is to do that, youmust have some trick for that, lol. Ohhh and its looking great and cant wait for the products to hit the "for sale"

kawana (shawnyb@ymail.com) MSG #506, 10-02-2008 05:44 PM
      bump for an awesome build!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #507, 10-25-2008 01:03 AM
     

Fie Ro,

Check your PM.


Sharkman MSG #508, 11-08-2008 07:12 PM
      Amazing work as always



Johnni (johnni@gmx.net) MSG #509, 12-27-2008 06:45 PM
      just a wonderful work and great idea! any newS??



Sharkman MSG #510, 01-03-2009 08:50 AM
      Bump for 2009

my-fiero (s.van.dongen@philips.com) MSG #511, 03-04-2009 06:21 AM
      Anny news??????????


telefragg3d (ken.hoff@me.com) MSG #512, 03-11-2009 12:37 PM
      this is awesome! keep up the good work! very inspiring, gives me a lot of ideas for my interior.

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #513, 04-01-2009 11:51 PM
      As always your work is awesome.

Paul



johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #514, 04-03-2009 10:39 AM
      This has to be one of the most amazing builds I have ever seen. Your attention to detail is only countered by your ability to do what seems to be every aspect of every automotive field to (I dare say) perfection. I cannot wait to see the finished product! How about a video of how you go about doing a mold from start to finish?

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #515, 04-20-2009 10:30 PM
      We need updates!!!

Sofa King MSG #516, 05-20-2009 03:17 PM
      BUMP BUMP BUMP! come on... you're killin us... we need updates

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #517, 06-01-2009 05:48 PM
      Hi Fie RO, could you post some new/recent high res (links) pictures of your Fiero interior.
I need a new Desktop Background.


pocket dude 411 MSG #518, 06-01-2009 09:52 PM
      That is easily the coolest interior ive ever seen. I wish i could learn to do that.

IVANNATINKLE (seanmiller063@gmail.com) MSG #519, 06-20-2009 09:47 AM
      bumpp update? did you do anything to the gauge cluster?

JohnWPB MSG #520, 07-01-2009 05:39 PM
      I just read this thread from the first page, all the way here to page 13! All I can say is wow WoW WOW! amazing work! You have inspired me to get to work on my interior now.

[EDIT] I missed owning page 14 by one single post hahah

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carbon MSG #521, 07-01-2009 08:51 PM
      More more its been almost a year on this thread!!!

I noticed that the concept GTR thread is still going... looking good man.

Woot... page 14

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johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #522, 11-26-2009 07:16 AM
      We Need Updates On This Build As Well!!!!

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #523, 12-23-2009 07:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:







http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/ButtonBuilder/

Fie RO, I think those buttons might look really good with your dash. (Could be an update from the ones you're using now, as these allow for etched logos/lettering)

btw. how's the Fiero project going?
Is the car tucked away for the winter, or are you working on it still?

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grkboy707 (gnoplos@gmail.com) MSG #524, 02-12-2010 10:25 AM
      Any updates? I just found this thread, and realized you have the coolest looking Fiero ever. Is the interior finished, or the exterior painted? I would love to see this work of art complete.

carnut122 MSG #525, 07-21-2010 11:41 PM
      This is still my all-time favorite Fiero interior! Unfortunately, my next interior upgrade will be to color match all of mine with the Beechwwod paint I bought from the Fiero Store. Will you be/are you selling fiberglass pieces from your molds?

carnut122 MSG #526, 07-22-2010 01:20 PM
      Ahhhh, the inspiration worked. I sprayed the Beechwood paint this morning! Thanks!

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #527, 08-17-2010 10:22 PM
      Fie Ro,

U R the man! I hope to see your car in person 1 Day. Check mine out this weekend.

Paul


radar1 (darren_mckean@xtra.co.nz) MSG #528, 08-19-2010 12:23 AM
      may i ask where did you buy the TT gear surround and boot, im trying to get one for my 84 rebuild but they want massive amounts of money for one ex germany.

troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #529, 01-20-2011 10:18 AM
      Bump

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #530, 02-02-2011 05:24 PM
      *bumping*

Fie RO, are you still visiting this forum? Any updates?


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #531, 08-18-2011 02:15 AM
     

This awesome thread has been quiet waaaaaay too long.

dying to see the end result.

Fie Ro you out there ?!?


BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #532, 01-03-2012 07:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Woohoo, I made something electrical and it works!



Why did I read that with Jeremy Clarksons voice? AWESOME work BTW.


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #533, 08-24-2012 01:13 PM
      updates?

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #534, 12-02-2013 05:47 PM
      ttt

88formulafastback (brandon.osborn84@yahoo.com) MSG #535, 02-05-2014 03:00 PM
      just discovered this thread.. holy god. would love to see an update. anyone know if he ever finished the car?

tshark MSG #536, 02-09-2014 08:15 PM
      6 years, no updates. Fie Ro, you still with us?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #537, 02-11-2014 04:02 PM
      I am still here,and lurking almost every day
I bought a house a few years ago and built an inhouse garage and workshop, all completed now with lighting, heating, electricity and hot/cold water. Since my girlfriend moved in last year the garage got filled with stuff I need to get rid off . I hope to get the Fiero moved in within a few months to restart some progress...


Steven Snyder (fiero@steventsnyder.com) MSG #538, 02-11-2014 05:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

I am still here,and lurking almost every day
I bought a house a few years ago and built an inhouse garage and workshop, all completed now with lighting, heating, electricity and hot/cold water. Since my girlfriend moved in last year the garage got filled with stuff I need to get rid off . I hope to get the Fiero moved in within a few months to restart some progress...


Congrats on the house! Nice to hear you're still around. I've been watching your build since it began...


Gambit (pontiacfiero@me.com) MSG #539, 02-12-2014 03:57 AM
      Hi Fie Ro, i am also looking forward to see this dash and car complete. Daniel had said that you are still willing to complete the Fiero.
We in the NL can't wait to see it. Good luck mate


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #540, 02-12-2014 06:21 AM
      Welcome back (to the posting ranks). Always loved your builds. Looking forward to seeing some updates.

Bob


carnut122 MSG #541, 03-15-2014 08:23 AM
      You've had a month to clean out that garage. Any progress?

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #542, 10-31-2015 02:22 AM
      He's baaaaack ! ­čśť

EARLY86GT (getrdone967@yahoo.com) MSG #543, 11-02-2015 10:22 AM
      New kid here....I just want to say that you have a great skill set.. Very nice interior update!

I look forward to seeing the end results.... PS women are the best.... They fulfill are lives with happiness and some other stuff too.


2tone86gt (mdave81@hotmail.com) MSG #544, 11-07-2015 06:48 PM
      I dig the interior you have been working on.. any chance to spice up the computer monitor looking thing behind the gauges? Like eliminate it and put something more modern in place?

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #545, 11-10-2015 01:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2tone86gt:

I dig the interior you have been working on.. any chance to spice up the computer monitor looking thing behind the gauges? Like eliminate it and put something more modern in place?


I am not sure you are talking about the instrument cluster or the Ipod I photoshopped into the armrest (as an idea)

I will go through the instrument cluster options I had anyway Through the years I decided these were the options:
First option back in the days was going to aftermarket gauges and I liked the Autometer Carbon line, like these:


Then, after using Audi TT vents and shifter for the interior I thought a TT cluster was better looking and more appealing then other clusters at that time, so I bought one, the version with anolog sensor inputs and without CANbus stuff. The plan was to try to make it work with my upcoming engineswap:


Not sure if that was going to work I also looked into racing dashes like the Dash2 which sells for about $500 and should do everything I wanted for a more fair price than others:


I have a partially installed and modified 3800SC2 in my Fiero, I have a Powrtuner interface to basemap and tune it when all is done. That is also why I am looking to hook up the dash with the OBD2 port of the ECM. Less wires and data directly from the ECM. So it is possible a tablet running Torque or simmilar to display information from the OBD2 bus and choose screen layouts:





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2tone86gt (mdave81@hotmail.com) MSG #546, 11-10-2015 08:30 PM
      Not the cluster but the surround portion that reminds me of an old computer monitor which always seemed out of place in the car.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #547, 11-11-2015 03:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2tone86gt:

Not the cluster but the surround portion that reminds me of an old computer monitor which always seemed out of place in the car.


Yes I will be redesining that part anyway, but some of the analog wiring like blinkers/headlight etc. need to be placed somewhere apart from the tablet with obd2 engine info, also some additional buttons need to be incorperated. I made some sketches but I will only start to build it when it is finally clear what is really needed to build that cluster, which buttons and the final design. The housing will be adapted to that and the rest of the design. Which still is a hint to the original Fiero design but with a twist. It is easier to swap a modern dash in and be done but I like to go from the ugly square 80's dash and try to take it 20 years further...
My idea is to respect the legacy but take it to the future...


2tone86gt (mdave81@hotmail.com) MSG #548, 11-12-2015 03:52 PM
      Cool, can't wait to see it. Carry on.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #549, 10-28-2016 09:34 AM
      So have there been any updates on your car? We haven't heard news in so long!!!!

Habanera Hal (halspalter1@aol.com) MSG #550, 11-15-2018 06:00 PM
      Anything new? Never saw a pic of the finished left side of the dash? Are you making pieces for sale?

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #551, 11-27-2018 06:07 PM
      I really like the work you have done, great job.
I still have not finished the interior of my LS4 GT. And I think this thread has give me much inspiration.