4.9 Parts where to BUY
Topic started by: Capt Fiero, Date: 05-04-2005 05:45 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000015.html


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #1, 05-04-2005 05:45 PM
      Here is my list of where and what I need.

ECM Chip Arriving on Tuesday or Wednesday. Special chip for Dual O2 Sensor Elderado motor.

3/4 done FieroHut (John) about the wiring of the Fiero to Caddy

Got It -- I am buying a motor from a 93 Elderado with ECM and Harness for $700 CDN, about 570 American Auto Wreckers in Tuckwilla Washington

Got It -- I am buying a separate Isuzu Trans to replace my shot 4spd Muncie. $100 CDN

Got it -- Getting Flywheel from LSC Performance in California made from Billet steel for 215$ USD Shipped. BEST PRICE AROUND. Got it

Exhaust shop will do the Y-Pipe as I plan to use the stock Exhaust. $260 CDN

Got It -- Oil Cooler from Performance Radiator $40 CDN

Please suggest any shops you can think of or places to locate stuff.

Part Numbers of things that I need at the shops would be great.




Pink_Ninja (ctalliss@telus.net) MSG #2, 05-04-2005 06:05 PM
      err sorry to kinda hijack but...

...what are you gonna do with the blown 4 spd? wanna part with it?

GT (rickstewart@protonmail.ch) MSG #3, 05-04-2005 06:08 PM
      Greg Duncan from the Cadero List sells the flywheels. There used to be a link on Ed Parks' page to contact him. Also Ed Parks may have one or two for sale. There was also a thread on Pennock's a few months ago by a guy who was having a flywheel manufacturer make him one. It was going to be $350US but I can't find the link to that thread and I don't know how that turned out. You might do a web search on flywheel manufacturers.

-Rick

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #4, 05-04-2005 06:10 PM
      4spd is being repaired, and used as back up for my (yes believe it or not) my mother's 86 SE V6 4spd. She has a bad 3/4 synchro and I don't know how much longer it will last.

My 4spd just needs a bearing kit and new input shaft bearing and new clutch fork release bearing.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #5, 05-04-2005 06:11 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by GT:

Greg Duncan from the Cadero List sells the flywheels. There used to be a link on Ed Parks' page to contact him. Also Ed Parks may have one or two for sale. There was also a thread on Pennock's a few months ago by a guy who was having a flywheel manufacturer make him one. It was going to be $350US but I can't find the link to that thread and I don't know how that turned out. You might do a web search on flywheel manufacturers.

-Rick

P.S. GT-Rick gets a plus,

Thank you, Thank You, Thank You.

Ok runs off to send email to caddero forum and email Ed Parks.

[This message has been edited by Capt Fiero (edited 05-04-2005).]

DanFiero (dtmoffatt@msn.com) MSG #6, 05-04-2005 10:45 PM
      Capt.

Email sent about parts needed for the swap.

Dan

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #7, 05-04-2005 10:55 PM
      That spreadsheet is AWESOME.

Thank You.

I have added a 2nd coulomb for what my estimated prices are. I am at over $3100 cdn so far. I wish we had a car quest in Canada however I guess Lordco and the Dealer will have to be my next best bet.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #8, 05-05-2005 12:35 PM
      Ok so it has now been close to 24hrs since I emailed out to BubbaJoe about mounts and posted on the cadero forum about buying a flywheel and no one has responded yet. ???

That seems to be strange.

Anyone got a direct email addy for greg duncan.

Mickey_Moose (edmontonfieros@shaw.ca) MSG #9, 05-05-2005 01:31 PM
      Check around some local driveline machine shops about getting the fly wheel done, you should not have a porblem finding one that will do it for you. On a side note, I seem to recall a post that Master Tuner Akimoto made that he will do up flywheels as well.

Bubba mounts - I would suggest that you have him ship the front mount without the holes drilled on the bottom plate (the block hole are ok) as you may have to relocate them. I have seen 2 cars that needed to hole relocated. I could not get the rear mount to line up correctly using the holes that he drilled in the front mount.

Not sure what you are planning on with the dog bone, but if you are not going to use the original mount on the trunk side I would suggest that you remove it as it gives a bit more room for when you need to change plugs.

If you don't mind can you forward the parts list to me? Just curious as I never really made one up for when I did my swap.

Tim

86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #10, 05-05-2005 02:33 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Ok so it has now been close to 24hrs since I emailed out to BubbaJoe about mounts and posted on the cadero forum about buying a flywheel and no one has responded yet. ???

That seems to be strange.

Anyone got a direct email addy for greg duncan.

I make sets of mounts also, Both comes with no holes drilled so you don't have relocation problems.... There pretty easy to make if you got a welder.... If you still don't get ahold of bubba give me a pm I make sets also but I would need atleast 3days leed time to make them and takes 3days to get to you.
ppl use me for mounts if they need cheap mounts made up for them. And need them quick (well 6days)


only thing is mine requires you retain the black mounting bracket on the engine block to use.


about the flywheel send MTA a pm I believe he still makes them for the 4.9, My setup is using his flywheel and itfit nicely and works great.
Purchase a $40 dollar flywheel brandnew from a 3.1 cavilier and have him machine it...


And I thought there was only once source to get a wire harness from? never knew about FieroHut (John) doing wire harnesses, Im going to need one done in hte future.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #11, 05-05-2005 04:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:


I make sets of mounts also, Both comes with no holes drilled so you don't have relocation problems.... There pretty easy to make if you got a welder.... If you still don't get ahold of bubba give me a pm I make sets also but I would need atleast 3days leed time to make them and takes 3days to get to you.
ppl use me for mounts if they need cheap mounts made up for them. And need them quick (well 6days)


only thing is mine requires you retain the black mounting bracket on the engine block to use.


about the flywheel send MTA a pm I believe he still makes them for the 4.9, My setup is using his flywheel and itfit nicely and works great.
Purchase a $40 dollar flywheel brandnew from a 3.1 cavilier and have him machine it...


And I thought there was only once source to get a wire harness from? never knew about FieroHut (John) doing wire harnesses, Im going to need one done in hte future.

FieroHut John is not doing it commecially. However he did the harness for a customers car and has agreed to help me when I do mine.

So far you are the first person to reply with any hard info that you "Can" make the mounts. 2 weeks is about when I will need them. Same goes for the flywheel.

Please send me a PM with your prices as a package deal. I would prefer as many holes be drilled as you think are safe to have drilled.

I want this to be as much bolt in as possible.



GT (rickstewart@protonmail.ch) MSG #12, 05-05-2005 05:45 PM
      Hey Cap'n- there are a couple of different ways of going about having a flywheel made. Some people take an 88+ 3.1 flywheel and have all the bolt holes filled and redrilled to match the holes in the flexplate. Some people have a new flywheel MADE from scratch. I have never heard of a failure on one that has been filled and drilled, but I do know plenty of old time hot rodders that supposedly know people who are missing limbs because back in the good ole days a modified flywheel grenaded. So it's up to you which route you take. Lots of guys here have modified flywheels and swear by them and have never had a problem. I'm not that brave...

-Rick

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #13, 05-05-2005 06:04 PM
      Back in the good ol days of solid lifter cams and V8's that would spin 8000+ rpms I could see a little bit more concern as to flywheel explosion. However I am more worried about clutch pressure plate explosion with such a low reving V8.

I did some calling around up here. I found a local automotive custom machine shop that will re-drill a flywheel to work on the caddy for 200 bucks CDN. I supply the flywheel and the old flexplate as a pattern. He will plug the holes and re-drill it.

I think I will be out about $250 CDN for the flywheel and another 40 bucks to get it to him and get it back. He is about an hour away from me. In North Vancouver.

Thats about 220 dollers Amercian. Is that a fair price. Or should I be looking into the USA stuff and getting it shipped up.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #14, 05-06-2005 06:09 PM
      Well my brand new billet steel flywheel is on order. New not re-drilled billet steel flywheel for 200 bucks plus 15 for shipping. US Funds. LSC in California. Ya. I am going to buy the mounts from 86FieroEarl I am just waiting on reply for shipping costs.

I went out nda picked up an engine hoist from John Craker, "Fiero Hut John" and borrowed a set of REALLY big jack stands from Fire451. Oh P.S. Fiero Hut John is on here. He is WATTS. I guess I should have told you guys that. HeHe.

Well WATTS is going to help me get the 4.9 from the wrecker and will even be so nice as to bring it to my house for me. Man the $$ are working there way up quickly. But I want to buy all the big ticket items quickly. So I don't get nailed at the end.

And the BEST NEWS. I just got back from viewing an 86 2M4 coupe 4cly 5spd car. Complete. Has a new clutch put it, but they could not blead it so they parked it. Been sitting for a long long time. I asked what they wanted, they said 200 bucks and it was mine. CDN BUCKS. Ya.

So there is my donar car, driver for hte next little while.

Man this is comming together.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #15, 05-06-2005 09:56 PM
      Well this is the last you will see if this. I backed her up the garage tonight after one last cruise down to the ferry and back. It almost stalled twice, made a constant tic from the motor, clutch made a metal on metal brushing noise, shift cable popped off the socket once, but car still ran solid, broke the tires loose when I got on it, and when shifted to 4th gear cruised at 70mph with no trouble at all. It almost felt like the car was asking me not to take it apart. Saying it would be nice to me, just forgive it for all its problems.

Almost brings a tear to my eye that I am going to rip the heart out. But it will come back MUCH MUCH STRONGER.




fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #16, 05-07-2005 03:27 AM
      Looking forward to meeting you and Watts when you pick up your 4.9. Are you going to try the 4.9 swap in a week thing?
Maybe some one will eat a bug for you.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #17, 05-07-2005 03:32 AM
      I think a week would be do able, however becuase I am stretching out the arrivale of parts and engine picking up, and I have to get the 4cyl Fiero here to the house to start taking it apart. It would not be fair.

When it comes time to do the swap and install it, I should be able to install it and have it running in 2-3 days. (only because 1/2 the work will be done.)

aerosmithr0cker (jlbab367@email.cpcc.edu) MSG #18, 05-07-2005 02:52 PM
      Anyone have a parts list needed for a 4.5 with stock caddy transmission?

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #19, 05-07-2005 10:22 PM
      I have got a partial parts list for the 4.9 which will be almost the same as the 4.5 just ignore the flywheel.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #20, 05-09-2005 05:11 PM
      Well spend 2hrs on it today. Spent the rest of the time on the phone chasing down the rest of the parts, I will update hte list at the top as to where everything is comming from.



Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #21, 05-09-2005 06:24 PM
      havn't I seen that car like that before????? like a year ago.... LOL just razing you can't wait to see it done, and It looks like I will be doing a swap sooner than later.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #22, 05-09-2005 06:51 PM
      Yep almost 12 months to the day we installed this motor, new bearings, new block, new crank, new pistons. New rings. Oh well. Say La Ve. As for if you are interested in the rotating assembly lets get it torn down and you can take a look.

Are you busy tonight, want to come over and help me take the motor off the cradle. P.S. you wanna bring my engine stand over while you are at it. Motor and cradle are now inside the garage.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #23, 05-09-2005 09:16 PM
      2 more pics.

The motor is now sitting in the garage relaxing. I pulled the intake off so that I could get the entire fiero harness out in one nice piece. I called John and spoke to him we are hoping to go and get my new motor on Thursday. Yaaaa.

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86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #24, 05-09-2005 09:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

2 more pics.

The motor is now sitting in the garage relaxing. I pulled the intake off so that I could get the entire fiero harness out in one nice piece. I called John and spoke to him we are hoping to go and get my new motor on Thursday. Yaaaa.


Now for the fun part cleaning the tranny and the craddle and painting.... BTW what color schem are you doing ?

I seen orange 4.9s
purple
green
blue
black and yellow (mine ) no no copy
And red and black


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #25, 05-09-2005 09:44 PM
      Probably stay with red and black, but might go with something a little more bright, not sure. Will hit up the local hotrod shops and see what they have for V8 dress up stuff.

We have a nice shop called Best Buy Performance. They are a direct wholesale autoparts store. Kinda like having a JC Whitney Catalog Store in your town. The only draw back is that 70% of the stuff you want has to be ordered in.

Red and Black maybe stay with waht I have.

Gold and Green would be unique

Neon Blue and Neon Red

Or Chrome, Chrome and More Chrome.


I am not using this tranny either. I am using an Isuzu 5spd for the taller gears. Unless I find a 3.32 gearset locally for cheap.


CentralFloridaFieros (webmaster@centralfloridafieros.net) MSG #26, 05-09-2005 10:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:


OMG!!! IS that a Black LeBaron I spy with Turbo Fin 14"s What is it with Fiero Owners and LeBarons????


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #27, 05-09-2005 10:18 PM
      Its not just a Lebaron, it is a Convertable V6 Lebaron for sale.

See all the pics at www.captfiero.com/lebaron

David

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #28, 05-10-2005 06:50 PM
      Found out why my clutch was messing up so badly. HeHe.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/062821.html Ouch.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #29, 05-10-2005 07:21 PM
      So 86fieroEarl

What mounts do I need to buy. You said I still need to buy special GM mounts when I buy your mounts. I keep meaning to ask you what they are for/from/where to get them. Got a part number or application.

David

VTfiero (brian@eckertmotorsport.com) MSG #30, 05-10-2005 08:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

I have got a partial parts list for the 4.9 which will be almost the same as the 4.5 just ignore the flywheel.

Hey Capt, can you elaborate on this a little more? I am looking into a 1990 4.5 in a local yard, and I am sourcing parts and info for it right now. Are there special considerations for bolting a flywheel on 4.5 that are different than a 4.9??

Also, would you mind E-mailing me the list you mentioned to brian @ eckertmotorsport.com

thanks,

Brian



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #31, 05-10-2005 08:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by VTfiero:


Hey Capt, can you elaborate on this a little more? I am looking into a 1990 4.5 in a local yard, and I am sourcing parts and info for it right now. Are there special considerations for bolting a flywheel on 4.5 that are different than a 4.9??

Also, would you mind E-mailing me the list you mentioned to brian @ eckertmotorsport.com

thanks,

Brian

Email sent. It was from DanFiero that I got it from.

VTfiero (brian@eckertmotorsport.com) MSG #32, 05-10-2005 08:27 PM
      Wow that was fast!

Thanks Capt, + for you!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #33, 05-10-2005 08:53 PM
      P.S. the part numbers for the most part are Car Quest part numbers. It is some Amercian Auto Parts Supply place. I remember seeing them when I lived in Oregon but have not ever seen one in Canada.

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #34, 05-10-2005 09:29 PM
      Do red and black! It looks the best.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #35, 05-10-2005 09:33 PM
      That has been my current colour scheme. I will probably do Red and Black for the first bit and see how I like it.

That Allante Intake looks Sooooo nice. That will be high on my priority to get once the car is on the road.

P.S. how is the bearing working coming along.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #36, 05-11-2005 05:47 PM
      Bought about 50ft of assorted Red Wire Loom today.

I need part numbers or refernece names.

IE MSD P# for wires, or just ask for SBC Wires for a Such and Such Vehicle

I want to pick up MSD Blaster Coil, MSD SuperConductor Wires and an MSD Cap and Rotor for this motor.

Is there any other V8 that would have nice Valve Covers.

I bought 3 cans of Black TrimClad anti rust paint. 3 cans of Gloss Red antirust paint and one can of Flame Red Enamil as well today.

I cant wait, I am going to go and pick up the motor tomorrow. Ya Ya Ya.

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #37, 05-11-2005 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

That has been my current colour scheme. I will probably do Red and Black for the first bit and see how I like it.

That Allante Intake looks Sooooo nice. That will be high on my priority to get once the car is on the road.

P.S. how is the bearing working coming along.

Bearing work is getting expensive for sure! I'm going to the local salvage yard this weekend looking for another 4.9. They sell complete engines for $99 you pull it. If I find one I'll replace the main bearings and connecting rod bearings in it, throw my delta cam in with a new timing chain set, install my heads and intake and use that. I'm looking at almost $800 in parts to rebuild the engine I have now and thats not including getting the cam bearings installed or the connecting rod I messed up, which I cant find. Hopefully the yard has something. I want to have this thing together before the Dells Run in June.

FieroMaster88 (fast88fiero@yahoo.com) MSG #38, 05-11-2005 07:50 PM
      As for wires, just get the 8.5 super conductor wires for a V8 that you make to custom length. Thats the set I ordered from Summit. You can also modify a MSD Distributor cap for a HEI distributor to work on the 4.9. The MSD HEI coil will work in place of the stock coil as well.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #39, 05-12-2005 09:45 AM
      Well Today is the Big Day. Camera battery is charged. Wallet in back pocket, cell phone has full charge, made sure I have some spare CASH on me. Credit car has room on it. John and I are taking his truck down to Tukwilla Washinton to get my motor. I have spoke with the wrecking yard a couple of times. As of Tuesday the motor was scheduled to be removed from the car and special notes were applied to get it removed in one piece with all the harness and everything in one big chunk nothing cut. I asked for the leading edge of the exhuast system so I have the flanges off of the headers.

I will take plenty of pics and am planning on meeting up with a Jet City Fiero member while we are down there, that just happens to be doing a (you guessed it) a 4.9 V8 swap himself rushing to get it done for www.arlington.westcoastfieros.com

Oh Boy, Oh Boy Oh Boy. I feel more nevervouse than a little kid on his first day of school.

Wish Me Luck

If there is anyone else in the Tuckwilla area that wants to join us for dinner. Probably around 3-4pm or so. 6074-807-2623 Steve is setting it up.



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #40, 05-12-2005 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Well Today is the Big Day. Camera battery is charged. Wallet in back pocket, cell phone has full charge, made sure I have some spare CASH on me. Credit car has room on it. John and I are taking his truck down to Tukwilla Washinton to get my motor. I have spoke with the wrecking yard a couple of times. As of Tuesday the motor was scheduled to be removed from the car and special notes were applied to get it removed in one piece with all the harness and everything in one big chunk nothing cut. I asked for the leading edge of the exhuast system so I have the flanges off of the headers.

I will take plenty of pics and am planning on meeting up with a Jet City Fiero member while we are down there, that just happens to be doing a (you guessed it) a 4.9 V8 swap himself rushing to get it done for www.arlington.westcoastfieros.com

Oh Boy, Oh Boy Oh Boy. I feel more nevervouse than a little kid on his first day of school.

Wish Me Luck

If there is anyone else in the Tuckwilla area that wants to join us for dinner. Probably around 3-4pm or so. 6074-807-2623 Steve is setting it up.

Ugh! What happened? My wife said you called and they did not pull the motor for you so when you showed up you only paid for it and that you went home with an empty truck. That stinks, I can not understand how that happened, sounds like you told them you were coming from Canada, didn't they say they would pull it when you called them? I feel bad that this happened to you, I hope the engine is worth it and that you do not have any issues when you install it. You've already gone through enough! Maybe we can still meet when you pick it up.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #41, 05-12-2005 09:42 PM
      Yep they screwed me.

Once I got there he gave me this BULL Storey about he wont pull a motor until it is paid for in advance. I talked to him on the phone like 3 times and we agreed on price and everything. I called him Wednesday morning and said I would be there to pick it up on Thursday morning. He said great he would have it all ready for me.

We drive the 200 kms to get there only to find the car has not been touched, it is buried behind 2 other cars in the yard, he gives me this line about being busy. I hear him in the background arguing with someone else about not having a part that he said he would have. I guess he must do this a lot.

Oh Well 70 bucks in fuel for the truck and lunch down the drain. I guess I am comming back in a week when he has it done. He said he would call me when it is done.

Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #42, 05-13-2005 08:13 PM
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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #43, 05-13-2005 08:25 PM
      Well one day of bad, and the 2nd day was Good.

I wanted a little and they told me I could have what I wanted IF I also took the rest.

What I ending up buying.

Complete 50,000 mile 87 4cly motor, on cradle with 5spd.
Included near new Shift Cables, New brackets, Used but near new clutch. this was all on the cradle with rear breaks, CV shafts and everything.
GT Aux gauge pod
and lots of other stuff.


We had to pull the cables from the car and pull the gas pedal cable out.

It even had a complete exhaust. It had a CS Alternator on it as well that I thought was only an 88 thing.

The Trans is dirty but we wiped a small area of it off and WOW does it shine. Like it is still kinda new. The cables do look new.

The shifter is odd to me to look at. I hope someone can confirm that is is the normal 5spd shifter. The ball and socket makes the shifter more really really smooth around in the pattern.

I gave the motor and cradle away with the CV shafts and the breaks and low mileage wheel bearings to a few fellow members.

But I kept the gauges, the shifter the cables and the tranny for myself.

Here are a few pics of my new toys.

Cables

Shiney Tranny

Shifter is it funky.



Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #44, 05-14-2005 03:26 AM
      bump


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #45, 05-15-2005 07:16 PM
      Well small update.

I went out and bought a pressure washer.

So that I could turn that old trans axle into a nice clean looking piece for my car


I went to the local speed shop and got some dress up stuff for the harness and lines,

10ft Small 1/4" for vacuum lines and 2 or 3 wires.
10ft medium 3/8" for larger vacuum lines and 4-5 wires
14ft large 1/2" for 5-7 wires
5ft jump 3/4" for main harness for 10-15 wire harnesses.




86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #46, 05-15-2005 09:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Well small update.

I went out and bought a pressure washer.


I went to the local speed shop and got some dress up stuff for the harness and lines,

10ft Small 1/4" for vacuum lines and 2 or 3 wires.
10ft medium 3/8" for larger vacuum lines and 4-5 wires
14ft large 1/2" for 5-7 wires
5ft jump 3/4" for main harness for 10-15 wire harnesses.


I want want want I have to pick of one of these next weekend I will be tearing mine down to see if its clutch or tranny.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #47, 05-15-2005 09:34 PM
      Earl do you have a phone number I can call you at.

I have some questions. Would be much faster to ask on the phone. My nickle of course.

David

MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #48, 05-15-2005 10:28 PM
      They should have everything you need for your 4.9..

http://www.deere.com/en_US/deerecom/usa_canada.html

haha, just kidding dave.. =]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #49, 05-15-2005 10:52 PM
      At least my car wont need a tractor to tow it around, HeHe. (inside joke)

MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #50, 05-16-2005 12:29 AM
      whoah, whoah there dave, lets not say things we cant take back.. hahaha..

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #51, 05-16-2005 12:35 AM
      I am sorry, I take it back. I am just jealous that you have the Nice paint.

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MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #52, 05-16-2005 01:19 AM
      haha, all show, and no go in my case, eh?



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #53, 05-17-2005 01:26 PM
      Update

I just got off the phone with Northwest Auto Wrecking. My Motor is ready to be picked up. Yaaa. I cant wait. We are going down very early Wednesday.
I got a set of frame wheels from John so my car is now sitting level on the ground and I can go about swapping the shifter, cables and throttle cable.

So far it is all torn about and just getting ready to start putting it back toger. I have an 88GT shift suround with the dot matrix panel and a 5spd logo that will fit in very nicley.

I will post more pics when I have the engine here.

86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #54, 05-17-2005 02:50 PM
      in my case im going to need one of those tractors to tow mine (broken clutch)


Ps mizers paintjob looks awsome his car looks alot like mine.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #55, 05-17-2005 03:23 PM
      Only open this link if you have a strong stomach. I found something really nasty in my car today. Read the thread before you look at the pics.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/033326.html

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #56, 05-18-2005 10:57 AM
      Well Wish me luck, we are leaving for Seattle in about 20min . Hopefully this time with a 4.9 complete with ECM and Harness comming back with us.



MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #57, 05-18-2005 03:27 PM
      all joking asside dave, im looking forward to seeing this motor in action.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #58, 05-19-2005 12:53 AM
      Well here it is.









Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #59, 05-19-2005 12:56 AM
     

Me

John aka Watts

That is over $400 worth of parts sitting right there. But it should make the car run Much better.

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Fiero Chick (fierochick@shaw.ca) MSG #60, 05-19-2005 08:09 PM
      Bump becuause there was a power outage at the server location today so the pics were offline.

What is the best manifold setup to use on the 4.9 in the Fiero. What are you guys using that seems to work.


P.S. Earl the mounts came in today.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #61, 05-21-2005 08:54 PM
      Oh Oh Oh, it came, it came, it came.

LSC Performance Flywheels came through with my NEW not redrilled 4.9 flywheel. Made from billet steel weights 15 lbs is custom made for the Fiero / 4.9 standard trans swap. They are in California.

Here it is, sorry for hte bad pics. But you get the idea of it.

First pic is front, 2nd pic is back.



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #62, 05-22-2005 04:10 AM
      I have the same flywheel. LSC Performance made mine also.
I sent them my caddy flexplate to have the flywheel made.
Which clutch are you going to use?

It was nice meeting you, FieroChic and Mrs.Fire451.
I see your webpage is back up. Can you share the link to the videos you were trying to show me?



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #63, 05-23-2005 10:06 PM
      Well did some digging around today on the motor. Pulled off a few more things that needed to come off, was on the phone with LSC about the miss drilled bolt hole. Talked to John and he is coming over tomorrow to help me with the wiring and see about the mounts for the motor. I am on my way to his place now to drop off the valve covers to get blasted so I can get a good coat of red paint on them. From what I am told they are magnesium and cant be sanded. They are light as heck though. I was amazed at the valve train set up in this thing. Really kinda neat.

I did some more working on the interior today. She is all ready for the new trans and motor now. Has the correct throttle cable and the correct shifter and cables. I need to clean everything now that it is mostly back together. Here are a few shots from Today.










MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #64, 05-24-2005 03:00 AM
      about that mis drilled hole.. if its only 30thou out, dremel it so it works and then get the flywheel reballanced to componsate?

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #65, 05-24-2005 10:40 AM
      well the amount that it is miss drilled vs the amount that I need ground is only about .010. I am going to get it buzzed out. He has asked me to please send in the enforcement ring off of my Caddy flex plate so he can figure out why this happened and make sure it never happens again. He really wants to help the Fiero community out. His price being only $245 shipped. Is the best deal going for a brand new billet flywheel.

Well

Update as well

I went to johns last night. He took my valve covers from me, I think he wanted to hit me for trying to paint them myself.

He put them into a solvent tank and cleaned off most of my red paint.
Then sand blasted them, that did not work to well.
So he hit them up with heavy duty air craft stripper.
Then back to the sand blaster
Then put a scotch Bright looking thingy into an air grinder and polished them.
Then some sort of cleaner
Then paint, and heated with a heat gun then more paint.

WOW. They are RED Bright RED. He said he was going to sand the tops of something so that they would look like the Fiero ones. This is gonna be so cool.

I got a clutch. I am kinda cheeping out on the clutch and installing a STOCK V6 clutch into the car for the time being. First off I don't even know if this will fit into the Isuzu bell housing and 2nd because this Isuzu may only be for a short while as I am still looking for a 3.32 gear set to put into the Muncie 4sp and re-install that.

I am off to the parts store today to check on and buy a few things I will be back later.

David

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #66, 05-24-2005 06:09 PM
      Oh boy, Wiring Started Today. Then I started checking out the oil cooler, and lastly mounted the clutch to the flywheel and test fit the entire unit into the trans axle to make sure everything was going to fit nicely. Yep.

Well the first pics are of John (FieroHut John) attacking my wiring cutting out all the bad stuff that wont be used, then pics of the stuff on the ground that wont be used. Then we moved into the garage and started un-looming the stock Caddy stuff to splice it into the Fiero Harness.

We had the hair dryer out to melt the rubber in the C500 connector in the bulkhead.

I picked up the black oil cooler from Performance Radiator in Coquitlam.

I ended with 70$ in fittings from Mopac today to adapt the Caddy fuel inlet to the Fiero lines so nothing will have to be cut. Just plug and play. Man this is starting to really come together. I cant wait to fire it up. Yaaa.

Well enough chatter here are the pics.







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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #67, 05-24-2005 06:10 PM
      And the last of the days pics.





Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #68, 05-24-2005 06:26 PM
      Question on the two last photos if I am looking at it right are those bolts holding the pressure plate also the center hole that goes over the crank shaft snout it looks too big or is it my eyes if the bolts that holds the pressure plate are long they will jam the flywheel against the engine so the have to be cut off....just an observation.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #69, 05-24-2005 06:58 PM
     
Bonus Points for you. Yep, the new flywheel uses larger 5/16 metric bolts in it. He told me 5/16, 18 pitch bolts. I was not sure what lenght to buy so I just grabbed 1". Looks like I am going back and grapping .75" bolts. That will bring the tails in enough that it wont catch. To be honest, I dont think it would catch even the way it is. The flywheel is spaced far enough away from the inside of the engine block.

But good eye for catching that.

 
quote
Originally posted by Master Tuner Akimoto:

Question on the two last photos if I am looking at it right are those bolts holding the pressure plate also the center hole that goes over the crank shaft snout it looks too big or is it my eyes if the bolts that holds the pressure plate are long they will jam the flywheel against the engine so the have to be cut off....just an observation.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #70, 05-25-2005 09:59 PM
      I have a clutch, YAAA. I have a new water pump, I have 8 new spark plugs all installed. John is 90% done with the wiring.
IT GOT HOT TODAY. We put up a tent to stay out of the sun. I am going to try and get it on the cradle tomorrow. Oh I cant wait.

Well here are the pics. John is the guy with the shirt off doing the wiring.

See Clutch


Exhaust that needs to be made into a Y-Pipe with the side dump welded shut.

Our Mini Fiero Hut Tent. Thanks to the Easterbrooks.

Fiero Hut John Working Hard at my Harness. I really want this for Arlington. He has been taking time away from the shop to come and help me. He does call himself the Fiero Doctor I wonder how much these house calls are going to cost me.

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #71, 05-25-2005 10:04 PM
      One quick shot of the new water pump

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Wait for it.
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Just a little Bit.
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.Edit, I totally spaced off the fact that I needed to point something very important out. John is the detail man. I was happy with just spraying the valve covers red. John wanted to see them in a nice shiney Red. He knew I really liked the Fiero Red, so he showed up this afternoon with these for me. I will see if I can find some before pics. They were ubber icky when we got them.
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I really wanted the red valve covers again. Red and Black just looks so nice when you open the hood. These are red and Magnesium.



Plus the 4 popper filler neck that john brought back from the dead for me.

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Ambush (jbacciani@vinyloptions.com) MSG #72, 05-25-2005 10:45 PM
      Edited because I didn't read the whole thing, now........What kinda clutch is it?

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #73, 05-25-2005 11:16 PM
      I ended up cheaping out on the clutch for the moment.

It is a stock V6 DynoPack clutch kit. The DynoPack's held up to my 100hp nitrous shots fired at 1200rpms. It held up to 2 years of extreme street and track racing. So it is only fitting that I give the DynoPack's another shot. They are cheap clutches up here. But seem to have good bang for there buck. There is a long story on this clutch. It was installed in a car, ran for 2 months then pulled out because he blew his tranny. (cracked the case) He needed a new throwout bearing and the shop did not have one and would not take a clutch kit apart and sell him just the throwout bearing. So he had to buy an entire clutch kit for just the throwout bearing.

He took his near new clutch out boxed it up and was saving it. Well along comes me going to buy a V6 dynopack clutch but I don't need a throwout bearing because I need the Isuzu Throw-out bearing.

He offers it to me for "Free"

How could I turn it down. All it has to do is last 6 months or until I find the 3.32 gear set to put into my later model case, and then I want to install a puck clutch.

Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #74, 05-27-2005 01:44 AM
      any updated pics capt????????? come on you know you wanna post them.... lol



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #75, 05-27-2005 02:16 AM
      I really did not take any pics today. Maybe I will sneak down and take a few quick shots.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #76, 05-27-2005 02:55 AM
      It is on the cradle. and the 5spd is hooked to it.

Well I was not able to take any pics today, I was busy as heck. I still don't have the mounts worked out right.
I had a fabricator buddy over here. You know Lance and his girlfriend. He drives the Jacked up Suzuki. He is going to try to work on some motor mounts for me, as well as fab up the tensioner bracket for me. I went to Napa and got the Camaro tensioner today. Need to go back and buy the idler and the belt.

John spent another afternoon here today working on the harness so it is almost done. There is now Fiero and Caddy plugs together. I am running dual oil pressure gauges. I left the stupid rear trans bracket at Zero-C's place in Chilliwack, so I am hoping your other half can bring that back for me.

The pics are horrible because I just sorta snapped them right before going inside to call it a night. I need sleep. With anything luck it will be in the car before the end of the weekend.










Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #77, 05-27-2005 12:45 PM
      Well I got one of the mounts from the fab guy this morning. WOW he put 3/8 plate cut with a plasma cutter and shaped them into massive triangles and welded them into supports. Then ground all the old welds and re-welded the old mounts.

I will try and take good pics today. I just got back from NAPA and bought the last idler wheel doo hickey thingy and the belt that I need to finally start to get the belts routed.



NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #78, 05-27-2005 02:02 PM
      What was wrong with the mounts from Earl...??? Got any pics of them..??

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #79, 05-27-2005 02:06 PM
      oops

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #80, 05-27-2005 02:31 PM
      I am not into bashing other members. They just were not what I was expecting or wanted.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #81, 05-27-2005 04:17 PM
      .



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #82, 05-27-2005 05:48 PM
      My fabricator friend. (builds off road 4WD Trucks.) Gave me the mount back with 3.8 plate braces welded in. I then started tweaking process. I re-drilled the holes in the upper bracket so the motor would sit a little higher and move it back about an inch. I drilled the hole in the lower 'foot" to match up with the GM tranny mount. I ground the front cradle support for a bit more play room for the mount.

I then attacked the starter area that had to be cut to mount the starter. Man that was nightmare. If I ever have to do it again, it will be done with the engine and trans off of the cradle. And I will have a LARGER grinder and Zip Disks. I was using an angle grinder with a 4" disk and there were just places it would not go. So I had to swap out to my Roto Zip and then to the Drill when the other 2 would not get into that little spot.

I am not done for the day, just stopping for lunch.

So here is the mid day shots.






Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #83, 05-27-2005 06:15 PM
      lookin good dave can't wait to see it tonight

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #84, 05-27-2005 07:19 PM
      P.S. could ya bring me some more gatorade when you come, fruit punch please.

HeHe.

ITS HOT TOO HOT HOT HOT HOT. Its 34C in the garage. Thats like 95F. YUCK YUCK YUCK YUCK.

rmphoto MSG #85, 05-27-2005 07:44 PM
      looks like fun.
you are right its very hot, i love it though.
any other 4.9ers running around lower mainland?


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #86, 05-27-2005 08:37 PM
      There one that I know of, but it is a Ferrari 308 Rebody. To be honest I think a 4.9 Fiero will wax a real Ferrari in performnace. Well back to work for me.



watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #87, 05-27-2005 08:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:
I then attacked the starter area that had to be cut to mount the starter. Man that was nightmare. If I ever have to do it again, it will be done with the engine and trans off of the cradle.

Gee..... now where EVER would you have heard someone say that exact same thing??? Possibly 2 days ago??? Hmmmm?????




Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #88, 05-27-2005 09:26 PM
      Well lance will be here at 8pm with another 3"w x 3"h x 5"l piece of angle iron. So That I can finish the other mount for the 4.9 I think when I am done, it will bend the cradle before it bends the mounts. I may still add a torque strap/strut/bar at the top of the motor and fix it to where the dogbone would normally go.

So I get my next motor mount at 8pm, then Fire451 will be back here a 2nd time at 11pm with my other trans mount and more Gatorade I hope. So that will make all 4 mounts installed. At that point it will be just setting up the belt and putting the valve covers on and rolling this bad boy under the car.

Tomorrow we have an open tech session at my place for everyone to bring there cars over and do tune ups and all that good stuff to prepare for the run to Arlington Washington. Oh I can't to hear this bad boy fire up.



86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #89, 05-27-2005 11:54 PM
      here's a idea of what to do with the front mount.


About the mounts I make... I have been using the same quality mounts I make on my stick 4.9 for almost a year. Everything else has broken except for any of the mounts. My welds may look a little ugly at times but I doubt they could ever possible break.

I need to pick up some shielding gas.... The flux core welding wire is quite messy.

I also don't drive my car like a normal car, Burnouts, clutch drops you name it

Your back mount is extra strong now, But It wouldn't broke if you used it like it was. Kento's 4.9 have them... Mine has them and jeffs has them.

But anyway sorry about any problems, I was just trying to help and still will continue to help you through any questions. Thanks for not giving me heck about the mounts and I appreciate your honesty.

Here's another note.... When your engine is mounted take a tape messure and messure the space between the harmonic balancer and cradle, If it is more then 1 1/2 inches, Your engine will hit the decklid hinge and possibly your alt hitting the decklid itself.

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85SE MSG #90, 05-28-2005 09:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

That spreadsheet is AWESOME.

Thank You.

I have added a 2nd coulomb for what my estimated prices are. I am at over $3100 cdn so far. I wish we had a car quest in Canada however I guess Lordco and the Dealer will have to be my next best bet.

David,

Are you sure that there are no CarQuest stores out your way? We have a couple here in Newfoundland. I would have thought that this would be one of the last places in the country they'd expand to.

Great thread on your swap. Best of luck with it. I'm jealous of all you 4.9 guys

Andrew



rmphoto MSG #91, 05-28-2005 11:32 AM
      i dont believe there is carquest in bc... i wish there was, the idiots at lordco always have to make the token smart ass comment such as "gonna take alot more than this heator core to fix a fiero!" then they laugh and give each other high fives. then probably exchange blowjobs in the back after i leave.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #92, 05-28-2005 11:42 AM
      I hate to say it but I have almost had it with Lordco. The only people that I got along with at Lordco have quit or left. For the same reason I don't shop there that often any more. Most of the staff have really arrogant attitudes. Don't get me wrong not all of the Lordco staff is bad, but there is enough of them that I don't know when I am getting a good deal, or being screwed over.

There is a new Napa store in Port Kells, it just happens to be the Napa Warehouse with a store front on it. It is HUGE. So far there has not been a part I have asked for that they cant
A. Hand to me
B. Beat Lordco's price on.

No waiting, no hastle and when I told the guy what I was building he was genuinely happy about it and asked me to bring the car over when it was done to take him for a boot in it. (he is not a kid either, probably early 40's)

They said no problem, they will give our club a good discount on parts.

Oh P.S. if you ever need another heater core or Rad, please come talk to me. $39 for a Heatercore $199 for a Rad. Performance Radiator in Coq. Just tell them you are a friend of Capt's and you are in West Coast Fiero's.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #93, 05-29-2005 01:13 AM
      Tomorrow, Tomorrow is only a day away.

We had a Tech session at my place today, (see West Coast Fiero's Tech Day" in the general section in about 10min. We had lots of people over and we all played cars. I did some running around, showed everyone my new fav auto parts store. Did lots of work to the cars.

Fire451 helped me a lot on the mounts. Man that is a lot of work drilling all those holes. But that mount should be strong enough to anchor a sherman tank now. 1/4 plate steel for the one that goes to the cradle and 3 grade 8 bolts holding it to the cradle, 2 grade 8 bolts holding the mount to the bracket on either side. There is a total of 10 bolts holding that mount together.

Well here is todays progress, we finished up on all the custom mounts and put the exhaust manifolds on. (not in pics) Put valve covers on, attached everything that could be set up outside of car. I have a few bolts to torque down and after that, she is going in the car. So hopefully with any luck she will be installed tomorrow at this time. Not running of course but at least she will be in the car. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Here are todays pics.








Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #94, 05-29-2005 01:14 AM
     






Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #95, 05-29-2005 09:07 PM
      IT IS IN THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A huge thanks to

Ryan aka Sheep Killa
Randy and KathyEasterbrook
Brian Browne and Kirsten
Lisa AKA FieroChick and everyone that came over yesterday to help me with the mounts and such.









MiZer (mizer@telus.net) MSG #96, 05-29-2005 10:33 PM
      good stuff dave.. good stuff!



rmphoto MSG #97, 05-30-2005 01:32 AM
      looks good! let us know how she feels.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #98, 05-30-2005 02:25 AM
      congrats Dave!!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #99, 05-30-2005 02:47 AM
      I need help on coolant hose routing, and how many other people had to notch there passenger side deck hinge area to clear the valve covers. I had to remove about 1 inch of hinge mount area to clear it.

After I got done with supper I went back out and worked till 9pm when it started to get dark, I got the shift cables hooked up, the throttle linkage hooked up, put the rear brakes back on. Got the struts all put into place and bolted in firmly.

Got the clutch hydraulics bolted down and bled out. Oh it is so nice to reach down and shift the gates through 5 gears. (this is my first 5spd Fiero) I cant wait to drive this.



Fire451 (fire451@gmail.com) MSG #100, 05-30-2005 02:59 AM
      looking good Dave, will try to get out there this week and give you a hand...


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #101, 05-30-2005 10:21 AM
      Well the schedule is as planned,

Wednesday Finish it up and fire it off. If she fires she gets loaded onto a truck for
Thursday Morning to the exhaust shop hand then car and credit car and tell them to call me when the car is done.
Friday Drive car all day and test everything. Take it out Friday night to Port Kells and Java Hut and show off the new ride. If all goes well, and there are no major problems.
Saturday make a run for the boarder. Drive to Arlington Washington for the Huge event.

For those of you keeping score, I have less than 72hrs to get this car running and ready for exhaust shop and

my chip is not even here yet.
No coolant hoses are hooked up
Wiring still looks like a rats nest on steroids.



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #102, 05-30-2005 12:11 PM
      Got your email update on the 4.9 list.

Congratulations!

Those valve covers are amazing. I don't know how much of a PITA they were to make, but you could probably sell dozens of set to current 4.9 owners or the Ed Parks. OTOH, there is something to be said when you have the only pair in existence!

Good job, and I hope you enjoy it and it lasts longer than your tricked up 2.8L.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #103, 05-30-2005 12:29 PM
      It would have to be on an exchange basis because getting those valve covers could be a real pain.

It took John about 4-6hrs to do them totally. So unless people wanted to spend a lot of money it would not be worth it for all the parities involved.



watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #104, 05-30-2005 12:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:
It took John about 4-6hrs to {do} them totally.

If I had a bunch of them, I could assembly line them quicker - I'd also go rent some time with a commercial blast cabinet instead of my small one I have in the shop here.

Painting in batches goes MUCH faster!

Could probably knock it down to 3hrs for a pair. I'd need a WHACK (10-12?) of cores to be able to do it though.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #105, 05-31-2005 03:55 AM
      I know where there are about 15-20 Caddys sitting in a yard in town... How much should I offer them for a set..?? Maybe I could get a BUNCH and send them yor way... Lets see what happens when I talk to tyhem this week sometime!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #106, 05-31-2005 08:02 PM
      Updated Pics.

Hoses are routed in a temp location just to get me on the road to Arlington and back. Oil Cooler will have a more firm mount, but for the run that is where it is going to be. From what I have been told, with 4.9 in the Fiero you can get away without one. I put it on there just because it cant hurt and john really felt it would be best to have it there. I have really high pressure line so I am not worried about failer and the cooler I am using has a 1000lb burst rating. John should be here soon to help me sort out the last of the wiring. The chip however is still not here, but I really did not expect it until tomorrow. I do have the bin file if worst comes to worst and we have to "make" our own. John has the ability to make chips. But did not have the program for the Caddy ECM's. It was just easier for me to buy an entire chip and install it plug and play.

Please ignore the rust on the brakes, it is a very very thin layer of flash rust. If I had more time there are a lot of other things I would have done to make it all look nice. I have 10 cans of Black and red paint just waiting to be used, and 30ft of Red Wire loom that probably wont make it onto the car. I cant wait to get this thing done and on the road.


All the cables and Nice MSD Wires.

Note the 4 banger filler neck

Belt Tensioner from Camaro. And you can see there is still lots of room from pulleys to frame rails.

Was even able to use the Fiero PCV and connector.


Nice shinny trans peaking out from dirty frame rails.

I know this is a crappy location for the oil cooler, but that is where she is going to sit for the next couple of days. It will be turned around 45 degree's to straighten the line out and attach the return line for the oil.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #107, 06-01-2005 03:26 AM
      By the late night light of my trouble light, I rubbed my eyes and kept at it outside under a tarp till quarter till 11pm tonight.

But it was all worth it.

All Rad and Heater Lines are done
All Oil Cooler Lines are Done
All Linkage is done.
All Vacuum lines are now done.
All Mounts are done
All Cables and Linkage are hooked up.

The only stuff still needing to be done is

Exhaust Shop Y-Pipe
Wiring and Testing of wiring John
Chip should be here tomorrow or Thursday.

I don't have all the lines tied off yet because I want to wait till John is done with the wiring and I start to loom it all up and tuck it away.

Well here are the night shots. It is 12:30 and I just got done updating my excel spread sheet. Spent close to $3000 to get the motor and car to where it is in the past 2 weeks.







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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #108, 06-01-2005 03:47 AM
      What I was trying to show with the funky pipe above. Was that if you use the funky Caddy heater pipe, and a short piece of hose, you can make that damn Caddy heater outlet line from the block make a U-Turn and instead of going to the drivers side and hitting the exhaust, you can make it head for the big open passenger side and then hook into the stock rubber hose that the Fiero used.

Well here are a few more pics. It is now almost 1am and I have to be up in 5hrs. So good night all and talk to ya in the AM.


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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #109, 06-01-2005 04:13 PM
      I have a CHIP

It Came, I was terrified it would not make it here in time.



Fiero Chick (fierochick@shaw.ca) MSG #110, 06-01-2005 07:22 PM
      Ok whos the weirdo that wrote " to fast for you " on the chip. I hope it was not you hunny, cause you would need to get some help then lol



timmer MSG #111, 06-01-2005 07:47 PM
      nice job dave i am glad it all has worked out for you buddy



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #112, 06-02-2005 02:48 AM
      No pic updates today,

John just left, we got the main harness hooked up, the car will crank over, but we dont have the ignition hooked up or the alternator. There is still a lot to be done. I will update on what happens tomorrow.

David

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #113, 06-02-2005 03:44 PM
      Donít have time to write much. Need to get it to Exhaust Shop.

BUT IT RUNS AND IT RUNS NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

P.S. We got video of the initial fire up. I will post it later on tonight.



watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #114, 06-02-2005 05:25 PM
      And before he gets a chance to post the fire up video (should we use the word "fire"?) - here's a video of it MOVING under it's own power for the first time ever.

Please excuse the file format - I shot this on my camera phone! If you have Quicktime, it should play.

http://www.user.dccnet.com/watts/Daves1stV8movement.3gp


CentralFloridaFieros (webmaster@centralfloridafieros.net) MSG #115, 06-02-2005 05:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

and how many other people had to notch there passenger side deck hinge area to clear the valve covers. I had to remove about 1 inch of hinge mount area to clear it.

I had to with mine but not Jeffs. Hint, if you use a 2nd Front (V8 PFI) cover on the back it will clear, other wise you have to trim the hinge support




fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #116, 06-02-2005 06:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Donít have time to write much. Need to get it to Exhaust Shop.

BUT IT RUNS AND IT RUNS NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

P.S. We got video of the initial fire up. I will post it later on tonight.


I drove mine for the first time today also. I also headed for the nearest exhaust shop.
Tomorrow it's a trip to the Alignment shop. Then see you at the picnic!



rmphoto MSG #117, 06-02-2005 06:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by watts:
http://www.user.dccnet.com/watts/Daves1stV8movement.3gp

holy **** that sounds good... i want one now...



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #118, 06-02-2005 07:30 PM
      Well they need it at least overnight. So I left it with them. However it came off the tow truck and I had to drive it across the street to the exhaust shop. Man I wish I could run open like that for a short time. Oh she sounded so nice. I cant wait to be able to really get on her. Just the little blip of the throttle in 1st and you knew right then and there that this was no 2.8 behind you. The power right there instantly was such a nice feeling.

I am going to rip the fire up video here soon. Will post it up as soon as it is done.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #119, 06-02-2005 07:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:


I drove mine for the first time today also. I also headed for the nearest exhaust shop.
Tomorrow it's a trip to the Alignment shop. Then see you at the picnic!


Congrats. It will be nice to compare the 2 cars side by side. Yours is so much nicer than mine though. Granted I had to do mine from start to finish in less than 3 weeks so it was a bit crazy.


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #120, 06-02-2005 07:40 PM
      Congrats on the completion!! I wish I was done w/ mine! Maybe when I see pics of yours and fourpointnines I will get motivated again!

beken MSG #121, 06-02-2005 07:50 PM
      Did I hear you grind your gears getting into reverse, David?

Hope you don't break another tranny to quickly.

Congratulations on the build.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #122, 06-02-2005 08:03 PM
      Clutch needed more bleeding. But none the less it is running and I drove it a bit, I am so happy.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #123, 06-02-2005 08:46 PM
     
Here is the 10mb file of the first fire up.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/captfieroofbc/firstfireup.wmv



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #124, 06-03-2005 12:11 AM
      loved the vid...!

Reminded me of the first time I saw Chester fire up the Dirty Rat! Lots of fun.

First thing I noticed near the engine bay was the Mountain Dew bottle. I thought, "Oh, No! He's gonna spill the precious liquid gold into the engine bay!"

Then you started your car and I did not even detect the engine lurch. Looks like it is well secured, and I enjoyed sipping my Dew as you sipped yours in the video. Good Job.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #125, 06-03-2005 12:26 AM
      The Motor is smooth as silk.

As for mounts, it has new stock rubber tranny mounts. And I took 86FieroEarls mounts down To a fab guy and we re-designed them. Earl refunded my money for them so I took that cash and we basically doubled the strength of them. The front mount was re-enforced with 3/8 Plate, with all Grade 9.8 hardware and the other mount we added a 3/8 plate steel with gussets and mounted the heck out of it, three, 5/8's grade 8 bolts into the cradle, then 4 bolts between the mount and the upper plate and then 3 bolts into the block. We came to the conclusion that it would probably bend the cradle before it tore a mount out.
The motor is balanced very well. If you watch in the fire up video, the motor does not even vibrate at all. I am very happy with the New Billet Flywheel from LSC. It was less than have the price of other places, and seems to be awesome.


watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #126, 06-03-2005 02:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:
loved the vid...!
I enjoyed sipping my Dew as you sipped yours in the video.

Actually - that was ME "doin' the dew" - Dave was behind the camera (ok, except for the part where he turned it around!).


blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #127, 06-03-2005 03:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by watts:


Actually - that was ME "doin' the dew" - Dave was behind the camera.

oops ! Well, "DEWd"... good job too you! You gotta have a wingman in stuff like this!

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #128, 06-03-2005 01:19 PM
      LOL, Ya I was the goof ball person with the Camera.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #129, 06-03-2005 08:28 PM
      Well I picked her up today and drove her home. WOW.

The power is amazing even with the little bit of horsing around I could do getting her straight home. 1st gear is almost useless unless you want to creep away from a light. I found myself going 2nd to 5th was the best for cruising down city streets at 60kph or so.

The sound is quieter than my old V6 I am really happy with that. Dan at the exhaust shop said that I am really going to have to get bigger pipes on it at some point but for the time being I am happy having a semi stock looking exhaust on the car. The custom Y-Pipe came out wonderfully. Has both O2 sensors in it and a flange in the middle to make removal easy. They gave me a HUGE price break. He spent close to 5hrs building the Y-Pipe, plus all new Pipe and bungs for the 02 sensors, and clamps and such. The total cost was 260 CDN after tax.

I will be here at the house for the rest of the evening getting it prepped for Arlington and then taking it for a short run later tonight to make sure there are no bugs left in the car.

The 5spd is wicked cool to have. I love it. The torque of the V8 is amzing, Even if she does not want to rev I dont care, I will just short shift and keep pulling like a freight train.



86fieroEarl (marialadyt@aol.com) MSG #130, 06-03-2005 08:31 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Well I picked her up today and drove her home. WOW.

The power is amazing even with the little bit of horsing around I could do getting her straight home. 1st gear is almost useless unless you want to creep away from a light. I found myself going 2nd to 5th was the best for cruising down city streets at 60kph or so.

The sound is quieter than my old V6 I am really happy with that. Dan at the exhaust shop said that I am really going to have to get bigger pipes on it at some point but for the time being I am happy having a semi stock looking exhaust on the car. The custom Y-Pipe came out wonderfully. Has both O2 sensors in it and a flange in the middle to make removal easy. They gave me a HUGE price break. He spent close to 5hrs building the Y-Pipe, plus all new Pipe and bungs for the 02 sensors, and clamps and such. The total cost was 260 CDN after tax.

I will be here at the house for the rest of the evening getting it prepped for Arlington and then taking it for a short run later tonight to make sure there are no bugs left in the car.

The 5spd is wicked cool to have. I love it. The torque of the V8 is amzing, Even if she does not want to rev I dont care, I will just short shift and keep pulling like a freight train.

Yeah driving the 4.9 stick is fun, It will get very addicting

And yes 1st gear is useless... Unless your launching it from a light.


A few tips to keep your car running good for a long time.

1.) Allow time for the clutch to break in
2.) make sure your oil cooler or line is tight

3.) Never run this engine with low oil.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #131, 06-04-2005 02:22 AM
      Idle crusing is an understatement. 800rpms, Yes 8 hundred rpms, in 5th gear and it just putts along. Drop 2 gears bring the revs up and HOLD ON. However I do have a problem.

Well I cheaped out on the clutch and it is going to cost me in the long run.

1st gear even rolling start smokes off the big 225/60/16's
2nd gear pretty much the same thing.
3rd gear, clutch slips at 3/4 throttle
4th gear clutch slips at 1/2 throttle and
5th gear, you guessed it, slips at anything over 1/4 throttle.

There has been no dumping of clutch. Just ease it out and then get on her a bit. I am hoping that it gets better.

This is having less grip than a normal clutch would even when hooked to a V6 so I don't think it is all Torque that is causing the problems.

Exhaust Stuff

I got a quote of 150 bucks for the Y-Pipe exhaust piece but after seeing the car though they could not stay with the original estimate, and I did not have any issue with them charging more, as it was a hell of a Job. They spent 5hrs just making the new down pipe as it had to route under the ignition, over the oil cooler lines, under the shift cables, around the clutch hydraulics and have 2 O2 sensors in it, one for each bank, and then hook to the factory collector.

They cut me ONE HECK OF A DEAL.

5hrs labour
4ft of pipe
2 O2 sensor bungs
3 flanges
Plus a Split Flanged 3 bolt piece in the middle so the Y pipe can be taken in and out in 2 pieces with gaskets and stuff.
Welded up a leak in my stock exhaust, added on a new clamp to it.

Total Cost

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$260 taxes and tip included out the door.

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watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #132, 06-05-2005 11:17 AM
      And then it made it all the way down to Arlington, and..... back!


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #133, 06-05-2005 11:30 AM
      Congrats you two....

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #134, 06-05-2005 12:03 PM
      Here is a piece if you can locte it will make a world of difference 81-85 4.1 litre Eldorado or Seville has some tubular header exhaust the engine has the chrome valve covers they are pretty rare but if you can find them it will be even more awesome for the motor .

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #135, 06-05-2005 01:32 PM
      The really good news is the clutch is holding up now. It looks like I will never dump the clutch again, or have to high rpm slip it to pull away from a light. So this trans might last for a bit.

I kinda raced a couple of guys with it already. I ran the rpms up to about 1500-1750 the light went green I eased out of the hole so I did not spin the tires let the clutch out quickly but not snapped it up and then matted the gas once the car was rolling and the clutch was totally up and engaged. Weight went to the back and planted the rear tires. I was able to just walk right past the people. It was amazing what instant power "Torque" can do for you. The shift to 2nd was slow in comparison to the way I shifted my old Muncie. But when I was in the next gear and matted to the floor I was gone again. I have to learn to be very careful. Because when I start off I quickly end up at the 75mph mark.

I made the run with it to Arlington yesterday. Got 25 or MPG on the way back. I was not too unhappy about that, I think with tunning and tweaking I should be able to push that a little close to the 30mpg mark. I had no major mechanical problems the entire trip. The only problem I had or am having is with belt chip. I am pretty sure it is the idler pulley out of alignment. If I spray a little silicone on any part of the belt the chirp goes away. However as soon as it drys the chirp comes back. It is not a slip thing, it is a constant chirp.

Well here is the run down so far.

Power = Awesome
Handling = unchanged from V6
Gearing = love the switch from 4spd to 5spd
Exhaust = quieter than my V6 (this is a good thing)
Cooling = I had a hard time getting it to Warm up. So I know the cooling system is good.
Clutch = Getting better each day. I can now plant it foot to the floor in 5th and it wont slip
Gauges = I have Volts, Oil, Temp, speedo does not work, tach is off and no check engine lights.



watts (dr.fiero@gmail.com) MSG #136, 06-05-2005 03:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:
The only problem I had or am having is with belt chip.

Gauges = I have Volts, Oil, Temp, speedo does not work, tach is off and no check engine lights.

He meant belt "chirp" - no chips were removed from the belt.

As for the tach - we can fix that, like I did on JB's car.


GT (rickstewart@protonmail.ch) MSG #137, 06-05-2005 08:31 PM
      MTA-

Which side manifold are you talking about on the 81-85 deville/seville 4.1? www.car-parts.com has about a bajillion listed. Are you saying the RWD 4100 has the same exhaust ports as a 4.9?

[This message has been edited by GT (edited 06-05-2005).]

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #138, 06-07-2005 04:40 PM
      Yaa I got rid of the belt chirp today. I moved the idler in about .050 and the chirp stopped.

I got my CAI almost done today, and I am working on the MSD 6AL Install. The car should have a nice improvement by the end of the day.

Oh and I found out why my shifter was getting so sloppy and I could not get it into 5th or reverse 1/2 the time.


The 15mm / 5/8 nut on the shifter cable end on the trans. Was totally loose allowing it to slop the full Length of the trans bracket. Jesh some nut job, forgot to tighten it down. (grins in the background)


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #139, 06-07-2005 09:34 PM
      I got my new Cold Air Intake assembled and working.


I was almost ready to install the 6AL box when I got a call that I had to run out.

Well I left the house and immediately noticed the new intake had helped the motor. I was very pleased.

Then I found out, that well the motor makes more power now and is over coming the clutch disk once again. UGH. Canít I win? Well car runs better much better, but I am back to square one with the clutch. I will take it easy on it and hope that it seats itself in better and will start grabbing again.

For whatever strange reason. It always slips the most when it is COLD, as the car warms up it grabs better and better. I canít understand that. But that is the way it is working.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #140, 06-11-2005 07:17 PM
      Well I painted the airbox today so it sorta matches the rest of the motor and I installed the Fuel Pressure Gauge on the fuel rail.

I am pretty happy with the turnout so far.

I am getting running idle pressure around 38 and shoots to 48 if I pull off the vacuum line to the regulator.







NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #141, 06-13-2005 11:07 AM
      Are you gonna keep that dryer hose or are you looking for something cleaner..??

Everything is looking great..
I painted the engine compartment on mine "Aluminum" in color to match the 4.9L and then I also went w/ red but a darker red..
Looks very nice!

Steve



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #142, 06-13-2005 12:05 PM
      I am probably going to end up with 3" exhaust pipe. I am using the dryer pipe just to see if it will all work and get a size and shape out of it.

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #143, 06-15-2005 03:33 PM
      Well I took the car to Johns, he fixed my speedo problem and then put a thermal blanket under the ECM to protect it from the heat. I thought I was doing pretty good.

Till 4/5's of the way home, I boot it and POOF steam everywhere.

I chop it and force a small bit of it onto the pipe. (this is one of the hoses that has an expanded end on it. So you can just cut it and push the rest on. As the rest of the hose is smaller than the end you need.)

Fortunately this is a Caddy specific hose so I just need to order up a new one. It blew apart like a hot dog.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #144, 06-15-2005 08:46 PM
      Heh, was tinkering with things under hte hood today and pulled the vac line off the EGR pod. Placed finger over it, expecting to feel nothing. WTF, There was vacume being applied to the EGR Pod at idle. I reved it up and let it back down, vacume increased. So quickly grab a screw and plug the hose and take car for a drive.

So that is what a 4.9 is suppose to feel like!!!



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #145, 07-02-2005 03:09 AM
      Well todays progress. Still getting horrid gas mileage in town. Highway is still high 20's so we cant figure it out yet. Still working on that. However I seem to be almost spitting raw fuel out the tail pipe. Really Really strong fuel smell while driving.


But we started on the tach mod today, and after 2.5hrs of trial and error, John came to the conclusion he did not have the correct resistor or pot to do what we needed.

So he ran two long wires from where we would need to put the resistor and ran them up so that I can put the pot on externally later. This will allow me to calibrate it later on without having to take it all apart in the future. I am going to hit up the electronics stores later on.

So here is todays progress.

Oh. P.S. The clutch is done. I cant even step on it 1/2 throttle in 1st gear anymore. So there is no hope of it getting better. I will be buying a new clutch as soon as finances have built up again.

Torn apart

John looking puzzled and frustrated

Car looking so good


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #146, 07-04-2005 04:13 PM
      Todays Work

Well thanks to John soldering the wire pigtail on the back of the tach, I was able to run it out of the cluster so that I could add the correct pot onto it later when I hit up the electronics store.

I went to SMI today in Langley and got what I needed today. I actually get something much better than what I expected. It is called a High Precision Pot. Instead of a simple 1 turn full to min, it is 10 turns to go full to max. It is a 200K High Precision Potentiometer. I wired the bad boy in today with my $1 soldering iron I got at the dollar store and my 1.95 solder. Tweaked it up and it is prefect. You can see on the Scan Tool it is dead on. I love this pot thingy, you can tweak it almost 1 rpm at a time.

My soldering skills are a bit on the lacking side, in the first pic it almost looks like there is so much solder that it bridged the 2 points, you can see in the 2nd pic that is not that bad. It is just a simple matter of wrapping some tape on it and pushing it down under the panel and then torquing the panel down. It will be nice too, if I ever have to recalibrate the tach it will be a simple mater of popping the panel off and twisting the pot.

Oh it is so nice to have a proper working tach again.

Well here are the pics.

My Mad Soldering Skills


My 1 dollar soldering Iron

Happiness is knowing what rpm your motor is at



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #147, 10-11-2005 03:45 PM
      Just adding this for the Guys that look at this thread and the last post was the V8 Tach mod, in case anyone wants to see what is in my opinion the best site ever for Fiero electronic tweaking.

http://www.fieros.de/en/main.html

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #148, 12-11-2005 02:24 PM
      Well it has been nearly 6 months on the road and only engine issue has been a starter that went bad. The new clutch and tranny are holding up remarkably. I have a feeling that the 1st 5spd was just a bad one to begin with.

I have another set of 245/50/16's bald thanks to my new found torque.

Driving has became 1st gear clutch up, clutch down 2nd gear, accelerate, shift directly to 4th or 5th.

I recently made a huge run around and got roughly 30mpg on the highway so I am quite happy about that.

I will update more a bit later. But that are the quick high points.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #149, 05-23-2006 06:27 PM
     

www.deltacam.com

Toll Free: 1.800.562.5500
sales@deltacam.com

Below is email from Delta.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #150, 02-25-2007 01:48 PM
      I converted my excel sheet into a jpeg so that even people that can't open excel can view it. Its 200kb so dial up users will have to go and have a coffee if they want to view it.

This images is larger than 102400 bytes. Click to view.

I am just adding this to my personal build thread.

Hope it helps a few of you guys.


DanFiero (dtmoffatt@msn.com) MSG #151, 02-25-2007 03:38 PM
      Hmmmm....that looks vaguley familiar I was just thinking I might have found a way to host my version online so others can download it easier (of course they'd need excel to open it), but being at work it's going to have to wait for my next day off.

Looks good Cap't

Dan

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Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #152, 05-26-2008 12:50 PM
      Just updating this thread.

Well I have blown up 2 Isuzu's due to stripping 2nd gear and a 3rd Isuzu due to a catastrophic centerforce clutch and or throwout bearing shaft failure. Pics are here http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/088561.html

So I ended up installing a clutchnet clutch and new Isuzu trans. Pics are here, http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/090893.html


I finally drove the car again yesterday. After driving my 2.8 powered 88GT I had almost forgotten how much fun torque was. Man this car is a ball to drive. I can't beat on it as I need to break in the new clutch, but dang I am happy to have it again. So far so good the new clutch is a very smooth engagement and grabs really well. I won't know for a few months just how it holds up with use.

I have stepped my rear tire size down to 225/50/16 in an attempt to save trans axles. At least until I get a 3.32 4spd for the car. This current Isuzu seems to have excessive slop in the diff. When in gear you can roll the car almost a foot before the slop is gone and the engine starts to move. Regardless of what gear it is in. I am going to be semi gentle with it for the time being to see how it holds up.

I still have a lot of little mods to do to the car over the next few months, I have collected a new nose, body panels and such to replace the parts that are in poor shape.

Well all I can say is I am really happy I did this swap. The new cowl hood sure looks cool on it, the side exit exhaust makes it sound awesome and the V8 torque makes it an impressive driver. I can't ask for much more in a car.



jscott1 MSG #153, 05-26-2008 12:57 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Just updating this thread.

Well I have blown up 2 Isuzu's due to stripping 2nd gear and a 3rd Isuzu due to a catastrophic centerforce clutch and or throwout bearing shaft failure.



You need to go 6 speed. I just drove mine for the first time and it's awesome. It can handle all the torque that the 4.9 can throw at it without breaking, and you can buy them brand new for less than $400. True parts to install are pricey but it will never break. And if it does it's cheap to replace.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #154, 05-26-2008 08:02 PM
      I would love to some day convert to a 6spd, however locally the trans is rare to find, and pricey to convert. Once the conversion parts are more readily available I will do the conversion.

I just spent $425 on a new clutch as well. (can you use the same clutch in the 6spd as the 5spd) I know the flywheel has to be changed. Does the 6spd use the same bell housing as the 5spd, or do I need to order an adapter plate? Just curious for now.


jscott1 MSG #155, 05-26-2008 09:55 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

I just spent $425 on a new clutch as well. (can you use the same clutch in the 6spd as the 5spd) I know the flywheel has to be changed. Does the 6spd use the same bell housing as the 5spd, or do I need to order an adapter plate? Just curious for now.


The 6 speed uses the same bell housing as the regular FWD transmission. The clutch is the same as any Fiero Clutch and so is the flywheel. I don't see why you would need to change the flywheel?

These transmissions are all over eBay for less than $400. I'm sure they ship to Canada as well.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...sh=item320256613585&


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #156, 05-27-2008 12:38 PM
      I am totally confused then. What is the expensive part of the conversion? I have a spare 4spd shifter and cables here. IIRC it is modified 4spd cables they use in the conversion.

[This message has been edited by Capt Fiero (edited 05-27-2008).]

jscott1 MSG #157, 05-27-2008 08:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

I am totally confused then. What is the expensive part of the conversion? I have a spare 4spd shifter and cables here. IIRC it is modified 4spd cables they use in the conversion.



Close, it uses a 4 speed shifter and modified getrag cables. The expensive part of the conversion are the G6 specific parts. Archie can explain it better than I can, because I don't really understand how axles work, but my car needed a bunch of parts because it was converted from auto and I needed new transmission mounts, engine mounts, and axles anyway.

But if you had a G6 laying around in the junkyard I think you would work out the swap pretty cheaply.


Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #158, 12-10-2008 04:45 PM
      Thread bump to add the pic of the newest style that the 4.9 V8 5spd is going to take.

The colour was photoshoped, as the car is currently Med Metallic Burgundy/Red.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #159, 12-22-2009 02:16 PM
      A graphic artist did this up for me as a Christmas present.



The nose is not fake, pics of the nose can be found in this thread, look near the end to see how it is being rebuilt and redone to look like the one in the pic.

P.S. the guy that is doing all the fiberglass work and rebuilding the nose, is the same person that did me the picture.

Thread, http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...2/HTML/098362-3.html

Sample pic,



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #160, 12-24-2009 12:07 AM
     
Another new shot



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #161, 12-29-2009 10:14 PM
      So Car-2-Lo did some more tweaking over the holidays. I only wish that I could build the car as fast as he tweaks it.

I think in order to get the car to live up to the last pic, I would need Clynt's Turbo and a nitrous kit. (still would not need the chute though, as chutes are not required until you reach 9 seconds or 150mph in the quarter mile) However the wheelie bars, hmmmm I do need to find a good use for those cutouts and I think Car2Lo nailed it right on the head.







thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #162, 01-01-2010 12:15 PM
      thats freakin sick man!!!!!!!!!!! i dare you to build it....lol tim..

Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #163, 01-03-2010 07:10 AM
      Well the car itself is being built with all body mods shown, with the exception of the wheelie bars. The man that drew the pics is also the guy doing all the glass work for me. Its amazing what that guy can build.



Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #164, 04-10-2010 05:49 PM
      Well here are some of the install pics for the new nose, it just needs final shaping, sanding, primer then paint.















Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #165, 05-09-2010 11:17 PM
      The first test shots of some primer to see the colour combo,

Just a quick update. Car2Lo came and did some more work on the nose, and I did a quickie black and white primer dusting just to see what it will look like. I am really pleased so far.

Here are the quick shots, sorry for the darkness I shot them at 8pm tonight.










Capt Fiero (captfiero@captfiero.com) MSG #166, 03-05-2012 01:32 AM
      Please see this thread for Part #2 http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...2/HTML/098362-3.html I am going to let this part of the build thread fade away and die to the archives.



SMTHGT MSG #167, 03-08-2012 05:27 AM
     
 
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fade away and die to the archives.


I feel this way now...


Love the nose, very nice tweak.

SmoothGT