Project 88GT has started ...official thread
Topic started by: fiero67, Date: 05-20-2004 09:32 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000008.html


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #1, 05-20-2004 09:32 PM
      As you may know....Im building an 88GT from a couple different Fieros.
After finding severe frame rust on my 87GT last fall...and my 88 coupe sitting outside needing an overhaul....I decided i would strip the 88 coupe down to bare bones and rebuild the 87GT on it. So, I spent the winter stripping the 88 down( in an unheated garage in Maine BRRRRRRRRR) and got my garage redone to a workable condition. So, now that this is done and the rebuild is starting, Ill give you a little history on the 88 (my future GT) .
I bought the 88 in August of 2000.....

.... from a fellow worker that had no clue on how to be respectful to our beloved Fiero. He just couldnt get it running right...he sold it to me for $300. I looked at the simple things....four plug wires are better than three...one was burnt off, I would have guessed he would know that mouse houses didnt belong IN the air filter housing! removed it ....seemed to run better now, but was still running weird. The cause for that ..a smashed air box that is on the drivers side...the box that connects to the vent on the drivers side. That fixed it. Ran good now.
In April of 2001, I moved out of the place where I was living and found out that my ex roommate didnt like it and smashed the windows out of it including the windsheild. Poured sugar in the gastank and then proceeded to ripe the interior apart and threw it all over the front lawn. She did this to both my Fieros. (lesson learned....Move the FIeros FIRST) then come back for everything else.
the little story here:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20030819-1-026723.html

Sept 2001, I move into my new house...brought the Fieros with me of course. Started removing the damaged stuff from the 88...and prepared to rebuild her with spare parts I had , for my son....spent the summer of 2002 redoing it with my son and then he changed his mind, it wasnt cool enough for him.He Wanted a GT...then a Lambo .... kids loves to dream ...then....then ........then... those that have kinds ,know what Im talking about...so the 88 ended up sitting again.
The summer of 2003 , a fellow member ClearDark was going to buy it off me if I finished putting back together.... I did and the weekend that he was supppose to come down to take a look at it....he was involved in a horrific wreck ( head on with a loaded dumptruck in his VW Golf) The dumptruck won and Caleb survived a long hospital stay. We both thought it would be best if I kept the 88.


Last fall is when I discovered the horrible rust on my rear frame rails on the 87GT I was restoring. Thats when I decided I would need this forum to help me decide what to do...
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20040710-2-046460.html
Thanks to this thread and a few fellow members , it was clear to see that the 88 would be a great canidate.

prestripping in the middle of the winter...

[This message has been edited by fiero67 (edited 08-31-2004).]

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #2, 05-20-2004 10:04 PM
      So spring is here. I brought the 88 home to put it in my new garage and finish the strip..

Its never hard to strip a car.....Hope I can reassemble it.....

Now tonight, Im almost done with the front end prep and my order of POR15 and POR15 chassis (sp?) paint should be here tomarrow. The front compartment has been painted charcoal grey metallic..and I must say,,it was a good choice..it will compliment my interior well.

Im looking forward to starting the rebuild and joining some of these shows WITH a Fiero !!!

linenoise MSG #3, 05-20-2004 10:56 PM
      Love the garage, looks nice.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #4, 05-21-2004 10:26 PM
      Thanks Linenoise.....my garage used to be a rental trailer that my parents owned. After the last renters trashed it....we cut it in half with a sawzall and towed it to my house. I put another floor over the exsisting floor giving it 1 3/4 inches thick. I ripped out the old panel walls, insulation, and wiring. reinsulated and re wired the entire thing...then sheetrocked it. Did it all myself. I wanted a place to display all my Fiero stuff besides the living room

I had to make sure it had lots of outlets.....including the ones in the ceiling......and loads of light....that way i can work all night in it. Not to mention...the West Coast chopper posters on the wall.....lol

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #5, 05-22-2004 07:13 PM
      Today was a good day. After finishing the countless hours of grinding ...I was able to POR15 the entire front end. I grinded smooth all the spot welds and minor rust. Cleaned all the screw /bolt holes with a mini wire wheel. Its hard to get a good picture of it painted since everything is black now....

The contrast between the Charcol grey metallic and the black is apparent now...

There will be many mods done to this GT before I am done...one thing I have learned here is that Im NOT going to sand my body panels in my garage....lol
....I cant forget to mention how much I love the 88 suspension....8 bolts and it comes out in one peice.


ClearDark MSG #6, 05-23-2004 12:39 PM
      Looking good man.

Cant wait to see it finished. I will have to drive up sometime

jscott1 MSG #7, 05-23-2004 01:05 PM
      You get a "+" from me just for the garage.

That looks like a very pleasant place to work on your Fiero. Especially compared to mine Keep up the good work. I love body off restorations, especially on 88s.

- Jonathan



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #8, 05-23-2004 08:13 PM
      Thanks Jscott1.....it is nice to work in the garage....especially when the only things that are really allowed in there are Fiero parts. The red and yellow containers on the wall are the ones you buy at Wal*Mart and have many clear slide out compartments. I put all my extra small Fiero parts in them from stripping down the other two Fieros. I had to make the garage livable just because I spend alot of time in there...and if I am ever in need of a dawghouse....lol
Im glad I took the time today to armor-all the entire front wiring harness before I installed it....I had to start reinstalling parts back onto this car....just to keep my spirit up..and not get overwhelmed...I even set a fender on just to show me what Im aiming at...

I am happy with the progress so far. You can really see a difference between the old and new in the next photo....



jscott1 MSG #9, 05-23-2004 08:44 PM
      Anything special planned or are you building it back up stock? Now would be the ideal time to add Lambo doors or maybe a chop top?

jelly2m8 (acook1@bwr.eastlink.ca) MSG #10, 05-23-2004 09:00 PM
      Hey John, I was talking about you on our way down through Maine. Where do you live there, and maybe send me you telephone number, I'll try and look you up on the way home, which will likely be mid-late week.

Looks like you have a good start on your project!

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #11, 05-23-2004 09:05 PM
      I had to go out and buy one of those "dry erase boards", so that I can remember what I wanted to do to the Fiero....but,no, nothing that big....thats for the next rebuild....most of the mods will be exterior....front hood scoop to disapate the heat from the radiator....functional trans am vents in the front fenders.....rear hood vent.....lots of lighting....but Ill keep that to myself...for now.
The interior....will.... look stock.
Soon I'll be learning the fine art of the airbrush.....Ill be ghosting alot onto my 88. Hopefully....no one will reveal the ideas before me......


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #12, 05-23-2004 09:12 PM
      jelly2m8 PM sent . That would be cool...I live an hour away from Bar Harbor, right on the coast line.


Midshipman Easy MSG #13, 05-23-2004 10:15 PM
      Great Job your doing! Im also going thru the exact same steps, and I know exactly what you mean about the front end! The Por15 looks so good now Ill have to go spends some bucks to keep up with the neighbors" "THANKS ! "

Ken



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #14, 05-24-2004 07:41 PM
      Midshipman Easy...its well worth the expense. I picked up a six pack that came with 3 cans of POR15 and 3 cans of chassis paint. All the areas that are visable will be second coated with the chassis paint...because the POR15 will dull out to direct sunlight. You should post some pics....we love pics!!!

Midshipman Easy MSG #15, 05-24-2004 10:51 PM
      thanks for the advice.. I have my hands full updating my site. But if you want to see some pixs Ive got plenty on my site below. Ill be watching this thread though and following your excellent start!

Ken



BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #16, 05-24-2004 10:57 PM
      Wow, that looks great so far. I'd love to have a place (and the $$) to do something like that. Keep it up!

Brad

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #17, 05-25-2004 04:23 PM
      Midshipman Easy thanks. I'll visite your site.

BtotheB my investment so far has to around $1000...for both cars and the garage.. I kinda lucked out ....but I spend an anormous amount of time working on it. If I had to pay myself for the labor....Id be broke!

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #18, 05-25-2004 08:48 PM
      Well, tonight i took the fan assembly apart....wasnt hard...cleaned that up with a washing and prepped the motor for paint. I concentrated on the brake booster mostly tonight. Mine didnt look too pleasing....


Linenoise.....Ive got your Fiero in my garage!

so I took it apart, like everything else....lol....I like to take lots of pictures before I take anything apart just for the idea of how to put it back together after its painted. sanded and grinded and wire wheeled it until I thought it was ready for primer. cleaned it all with thinner, just to make sure there wasnt anything left on it....taped everything I didnt want painted...including the decals...Its nice to see original decals on the parts.

then primed it....have to let it dry overnight....so I cant paint it till tomarrow...
after i wet sand it.
I also found a resourceful way to paint things now...when I bought my overhead lights..they came with chains and hooks on them...since I didnt want them as long as they were..I cut them off. I screwed the ramaining to my ceiling and now I have painting hooks.




fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #19, 05-29-2004 04:57 PM
      well....I have 3 days to plug away at the fiero. The brake booster is finished and reinstalled.. I think it looks great.

The nuts that hold it on came out real clean..almost brand new looking. I took a soft wire wheel on the Dremil and cleaned off minor rust and tarnish...then I buffed them out with a polishing wheel.

So far this weekend I have finished the prep of the front end. Took a long time to grind off the rust that was on the lower parts under the doors...then I took a pair of vise grips to staighten that track out to where it was suppose to be.

The last thing I needed to do before I paint the rest of the front....was to clean off the rail that holds the windsheild in. Since I found small amounts of rust under the old rubber, I thought it would be good to strip it all off. It wasnt hard after I broke out the BIG grinder and softly buff off the rubber coating.

I cant stress how important it is to clean everything with laquer thinner before painting. To clean off all the dirt in the hard areas..where a rag wont clean..I used a toothbrush with paint thinner on it first.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #20, 06-03-2004 06:03 PM
      I have the radiator back together after repainting it and cleaning everything. installed. To give me more ambition on this project...I put on the front bumper and both fenders....the sunroof panel and one rocker panel....just set them in place because I want to make sure everything is done in the area that they are going. Not to mention, Ill be painting this car with the panels off and there is no need to waste rivets....

its really starting to look like a Fiero now!

Im really pleased as to the way the door jambs came out...
I coated them first with the POR15 and then with the chassis paint.

Tomarrow is the annual mystery trip (where we have no clue as to where we are going) It will be for 3 days. Everyone have a great weekend....BTW, this is what we will be going in....car restoration runs in our family...this is a 1955 Ford crestliner conver. Took my dad 5 years to complete...its completely stock including the color.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #21, 06-03-2004 10:06 PM
      before and now.....



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #22, 07-26-2004 07:06 PM
      More restoration has been happening on project 88. Most of it is fixing problems and paint work on the body. I thought it was about time that I tried to mold in "skitimes" project fender vents. It wasnt as bad as I thought it would be, but there sure is a lot of fine tuning to get them just right and smooth. I thought since I had all the material, Id also shave this fender. After looking at the fender on the car...I love the vent (thanks for the idea skitime!!!) but the shaved trim...I dont like. So this set will go on my sons project Fiero and I'll do a set with the moldings left on.
Let me know what you think of it....its hard to get a better pics since it is in the garage . My sons Fiero colors are going to matte black with green highlights.




Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #23, 07-26-2004 07:51 PM
      This is a cool thread. Keep up the good work!



litespd MSG #24, 07-26-2004 09:47 PM
      Nice work, fiero67! Threads like this are what the forum is all about. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress...and you've earned a "+" from me! Who knows...maybe one day, I'll get a chance to see it in person...I have a friend who lives in Bradford, ME...not TOO far from you...

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #25, 07-27-2004 06:55 PM
      well...if you ever get up this way, definately stop in! I apreciate the comments ! Then I could let you in on some custom stuff Im doing that I havent seen done yet. ...lol. John

Boomtastic MSG #26, 08-25-2004 11:01 PM
      Awesome work! I was wondering if I was the only fool thinking about tearing down an '88 chassis and POR15'ing the thing from top to bottom. Now I know I am not alone! LOL

I'm gonna peek in here every so often and steal your ideas though. First I need to clean the chassis up - there's pine needles EVERYWHERE! Not to mention the twin swimming pools inside. At least I know the floors are solid!!



Solo2 MSG #27, 08-26-2004 07:04 PM
      Jazzmzn has posted twice cleaning and painting his '88 craddle.
Where has everybody been?


skitime (skitime@ptd.net) MSG #28, 08-26-2004 07:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

More restoration has been happening on project 88. Most of it is fixing problems and paint work on the body. I thought it was about time that I tried to mold in "skitimes" project fender vents. It wasnt as bad as I thought it would be, but there sure is a lot of fine tuning to get them just right and smooth. I thought since I had all the material, Id also shave this fender. After looking at the fender on the car...I love the vent (thanks for the idea skitime!!!) but the shaved trim...I dont like. So this set will go on my sons project Fiero and I'll do a set with the moldings left on.
Let me know what you think of it....its hard to get a better pics since it is in the garage . My sons Fiero colors are going to matte black with green highlights.

Hey you are welcome. The vents are sure getting popular. Great job you are doing. Can't wait to see the final result.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #29, 08-31-2004 09:19 PM
      Thank you skitime, if you hadnt done it and posted it... Id still be looking for something to put there.

The REwiring of the interior has begun. Since alot of my mods are interior, I decided that I would remove the entire original 88 wiring harness and install the 87GT's harness. Not to mention Im switching from a 4-banger coupe, auto w/ AC to a 6 ,5-speed without AC.
This is the most important part of this rebuild. The wiring has to be done right. So if anyone has something I should know besides the basic, please inform me here.
Im adding the aux fuse box connector thing that is white and goes above the original fuse panel . that will allow me to wire in a few more accessories.
After stripping the interior of everything, removing and reinstalling a new wiring harness was a breeze. Took about an hour. While doing this... behind the insulation above the steering support, I found an access panel... if you remove the four bolts, it opens up to an area where the hood cable roots into...could be useful to someone that cant get into their front hood.

Some of the mods that Im wiring in are:
1) front hood popper
2) gas door popper
2) lightning sphere in the sunroof
3) lighted door handles

4) power mirrors from... another car
5) neon under the dash, recessed in some hidden areas through out the interior
6) auto dimming mirror
7)lighted sunvisors from another car
8) remote car starter with pass key
9) speed window
10) valet parking (trunk disablizer)
and some other things that are still up in the air. I'll post a" how I did it"and pics when Im done.

John

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #30, 08-31-2004 11:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Boomtastic:

Awesome work! I was wondering if I was the only fool thinking about tearing down an '88 chassis and POR15'ing the thing from top to bottom. Now I know I am not alone! LOL

I'm gonna peek in here every so often and steal your ideas though. First I need to clean the chassis up - there's pine needles EVERYWHERE! Not to mention the twin swimming pools inside. At least I know the floors are solid!!

So I see you are trying the home made pine tree air freshners and I never thought of the ole swimming pool mod....darn you beat me to it...LOL


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #31, 09-08-2004 07:50 PM
      You ever get the feeling like you are way too far over your head on something? Me either...
The wiring for all the accesories is very time consuming. Im on hold due to waiting for a relay for the passkey/ remote starter.
This 88 didnt have any accesories in it , except AC. So I have to wire everything myself with some help from the electrical gurus here on the forum.
So I fixed my sights on the power mirrors...
Heres the step by step process of removing mirrors from a Fiero.
1) (red arrows) pop the tabs off the arm rest and remove the three phillip head screws, remove arm rest.
2) (blue arrows) carefully pry off the fiero emblem on the door handle and also the round cap behind the door handle exposing the two philip screw. Remove them. pull the door handle bezel out towards you. Reach behind the bezel and pull the lock slide towards you. This should disconnect it so you can now slide it out of the bezel. With a little effort, you can now slide the bezel towards the front of the car and off the door handle.

to remove the door panel you should have a special tool designed to pop the plastic holders that hold it in place. There are 8 of them.

the plastic holders are the white things on this door frame. I did notice that there was one missing from mine on the top left hand corner.
Now that you have the door panel off, you can see the threw screws that hold on a rubber like cover on the opposing side of the mirror. remove them and you will see the two 10mm nuts that hold the mirror on.

To get better access to the nuts I marked the position of the inner dew wipe(not sure of the real name of this) plate before removing it. Its the metal strip that follows the top of the window. After you remove this metal plate... the dew wipe just lifts up and off.

Now with a 10mm socket on a 3/8" drive rachet..you can remove the mirror.
....then let yourself go crazy and start modding...or put it back on, your choice.

I got the following power mirrors from a olds98 Regency. I like the style of them.
After removing the original mirror, and placing the new one on, for fitting, I realized that an easy swap wasnt going to happen...
I propped it up with cardboard to find the angle I needed. with it in place, I can now measure the opening in the bottom . I will have to make a prop for this mirror using balsa wood (its so easy to shape) and the either resin it or bondo it to make it paintable.

I did make sure to measure from the door edge to the mirror, so that it would sit close to where the old one was. So that when I was in the drivers seat, I could see where Im suppose to.

I know my mods arent dramatic or competitive, but alot of the time, people leave out the little stuff. I try not to. I hope my posts can be helpful to someone. John

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #32, 09-18-2004 10:59 PM
      before I get going on posting more on the mirror mounts...
Ill throw in a picture on the next mod Im making to my interior...does anyone want to guess what it is?

now back to the mirror mounts... progress has been good.
after doing an emense amount of measuring an positioning of this mirror, I found the best location for it, figured out the angles so it looked good where it sits and that it was going to be fully functional.
Instead of using balsa wood to make the form for the mirror to sit on, I went with the blue foam.
with a razor blade in hand and a new can of patience, I started to cut this peice of foam down until it filled the gap between the mirror and the door panel and also continued the lines of the base onto the door panel.


I put blue tape on the door so when I attached the foam peice to the mirror and place it back onto the door, I could outline it onto the door to know where it would sit (without having to hold the mirror on it). I am molding this peice onto the door panel . The mirror bolts and wiring will pass through this form. The mirror and gasket will attach to it.


One more test fit to make sure this is where I want it, before I permamently bond it onto the door. I then proceeded to put tape on entire peice of foam. Im not sure what fiberglass resin would do to foam. I was too impatient to find out. test fitted the mirror again.

trimmed off the excess of the tape ( Im not worried about the tape giving way, because it will be trapped inside of the fiberglass when this project is done)
Then I coated it onto the door with a thin layer of boat bondo to form it, before I put on a layer of fiberglass.

of course thats after I add a crap load of hours sanding this peice smooth and highlight the lines in the mirror onto the door panel.
Tomarrow, it should be ready for primer.

what fun we have when we own a Fiero.
John




jscott1 MSG #33, 09-18-2004 11:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

before I get going on posting more on the mirror mounts...
Ill throw in a picture on the next mod Im making to my interior...does anyone want to guess what it is?

...

It looks like you are adding an adjustible seat belt anchor. Cool! It's the attention to little details that separate the really nice Fieros from the hacked up looking ones. I think yours will be one of the really nice ones when you are done. It will be in the Skitime class...



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #34, 09-18-2004 11:15 PM
      you are right, It is an adjustable seat belt anchor. Good eye. I will post a step by step on that as well.
I could only dream of being in the same class as skitime or you jscott1 and many others here on the forum. My dream is to make my first car restoration a memorable one. Im honored to hear you say that though. Thanks. John


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #35, 09-19-2004 01:18 AM
      Regency Mirrors! I drive a regency in the winter and I've been looking at the mirrors for a long time now, and always thought about how they'd look on a fiero. I knew they wouldn't conveniently bolt up, and I knew they'd need to be installed on a certain angle as you have done, so I never took the chance and tried to install them.

Thanks a bunch for doing this and actually letting me see what it looks like! + for you.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #36, 09-19-2004 09:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Regency Mirrors! I drive a regency in the winter and I've been looking at the mirrors for a long time now, and always thought about how they'd look on a fiero. I knew they wouldn't conveniently bolt up, and I knew they'd need to be installed on a certain angle as you have done, so I never took the chance and tried to install them.

Thanks a bunch for doing this and actually letting me see what it looks like! + for you.

you are welcome ......If you need any angle shots or anything else ,let me know. If you want to do this yourself, I can always spray a crap load of foam on the door and make a mold from it ...Im sure these mirrors will look great once they and the mounts are painted the same color as the car. I also can give you the wiring diagram on how to wire them to the factory mirror harness.
The regency that I had was fully loaded, so alot of my interior mods are from that car. so stay tuned and see what else may look good to you, like the speed window on the drivers side. John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #37, 09-22-2004 05:35 PM
      All I can say, is sanding and fine tuning bondo isnt that much fun. Someone lied to me
After I sanded the shape to this mount, I layed two layers of fiberglass onto it. I did this for strength. We all know how mirrors get hit all the time as people pass by them. I wanted a solid mount. I dont think the foam and the bondo would have held.
I also tested the fiberglass resin on the blue foam, and it doesnt eat it or damage it at all. so , on the drivers door, I can skip the pre bondo step.

After the fiberglass was cured, ( I mounted the mirror on the base. This way I can make sure all my edges match.I looked for all the low spots, filled them with bondo. ) I then proceeded to lay more boat bondo on top of the fiberglass, to finish the shaping of the lines. this was hard, but worth it in the end. The finishing step was to mount the mirror onto the base and smooth it all out with spot filler. Its sands easy and can fill anything that I missed. most of what you see in the picture will be wet sanded off. All that is left to do is prime the door panel.

The only concern I have is with the mirror installed. The whole thing looks long now, but I think its because of the two contrasting colors and sheen...making it stand out. Once it is painted, I think it will blend right in.

I know I said I was going to work on the seat belt adjuster, but heck, I just got my TA vents in..and sense Im already in fiberglass. I might as well do these too. Above is a pic of the first ones I did, but I dont like the shaved look. So Im going to leave the molding and GX on.




fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #38, 09-22-2004 05:51 PM
     
Im installing these from the outside of the fender.
The first step to installing TA vents is to place the driverside one on the passenger side upside down. that will be what the finish shape will be when the right one is installed. position it to where you want it and trace that onto the fender. I use the marker for my dry erase board, because you can just wipe it off.
I left the fender mouldings on so I could see where everything will sit.
you dont need to cut all of the trace out...this is the guide to show you where it will sit. All you will need to cut out is the area of the curve on the vent.

I marked the cutout on the fender , and cut it out.
On the back of the vent, you must remove the plastic clips that hold it onto the fender of a TA. I used my dremil for this. The only tabs you leave are the ones that the vent screens clip onto.


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #39, 09-25-2004 07:24 PM
      like this:

After I fit it and it sits flat on the fender, I used two part epoxy and clamps and glued it on .
let dry overnight.
You will notice that the lower part of the vent will stick out over the fender. I used the edge of the fender as a guide and trimmed this off, at an angle .

From there, I used coarse grit sandpaper and sanded off all the edges of the vent (tapering them towards the edges of the fender. )
Now that all this is done, I got out the boat bondo and filled the areas to smooth out the vent.
Putting the trim peice and the GX back on, they gave me a guide to fill by.
I wanted to make this look as stock as possible

immediately after the first coat of bondo was put on, I removed both those peices. Making sure to clean them off. I didnt want to mold these on. I tapered the edges of the bondo at these areas to look like the shape that would have been there from the factory (or so I thought)

Lots more sanding and layering the bondo until I got the exact contor and profile I wanted. Wet sanded the fender down and primed it. Anything else that would need fixing will be done with spot filler.

All that is left to this is finishing up with the spot filler and reprimming to get it ready for paint.

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #40, 09-25-2004 07:31 PM
      I wish I could get better pictures but my garage isnt big enough to move back enough away from what Im working on.
heres the mirror in primer....
Im very happy with it.

I had to take this picture quick because I filled the garage with primer mist....need air!

Thanks for looking.. John

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BlueGT MSG #41, 09-26-2004 12:40 AM
      Keep the pics coming! Good work! Can't wait to see more of it together.



Convertable Indy (evans47243@adelphia.net) MSG #42, 09-26-2004 12:56 AM
      Love these type of threads! I have an '87 GT with poor rails and battery box. I would love to do this but my garage is to small! by the way, I like your garage. Good luck, keep the updates coming!



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #43, 10-01-2004 07:55 PM
      Thanks Convertable Indy. Here is a pic of my frame rails from my 87GT...

I really dont think I had any other option than to start again. Are yours that bad?
Thanks for looking. John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #44, 10-16-2004 07:52 PM
      I just had to post the fender vent done...

The last two weeks Ive been busy wiring the interior and exterior accesories.
So far, Ive got the passkey and remote starter installed... Im thinking since this is a standard, I either have to come up with an idea that wont allow the car to start unless its in neutral or I need to do a little research on here and find that thread on installing remote starters in a standard. I did have one problem with relays for this pass-key but shop_rat was able to set me in the right direction.
The windsheild is in, its a brand new windsheild that I just put in the 87GT, before I found all that rust..a wire and about 20 minutes and I cut it out .
Ive got the auto dimming mirror installed and working.
Ive got the lighted sunvisors working and almost installed.

These are great mirrors I got from my olds98,when you flip the visor down, there is a slide that comes out that will cover the area near the mirror and then if you move the visor towards the door, there is another visor that comes down to cover the area near the windsheild as well. Not to mention the mirrors light up and are adjustable for brightness. Im sorry, little things impress me. They are blue, so I guess Im going to learn how to sew.
Im also installing power locks in this car. Ive found in my 88 buick, I dont need power locks.....right? These are the same plungers as are used in the fiero, and just about mount in the same place. So Im removing the entire locking mechs from the buick and installing them in the Fiero, but I wont be buying the power lock controls for the bezel on the door. Im going to wire them up to be used only with the remote.
I still havent figured out how to wire in the one touch window yet. Im working on that.
The following picture isnt the greatest but Ive started reinstalling the interior...
The dash went in smoothly... the steering shaft...guage thing...and what the heck ,I set the aux guages on too. I had to fix the horn because it didnt want to work... I found out that the plunger for it was in upside down. DOH

It was overwhelming on how many wires you can end up with after you install alot of accessories. Thank goodness for zip ties.
If I can figure out how to do it, Im going to take the light strips from these door panel and somehow imbed them into the fiero door panel. I think this would look great, not to mention, safety when the door is open.




fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #45, 10-16-2004 07:58 PM
      oh, and I painted the mirror.Its wired into the factory switch and works great

and this is what my family does while I spend all my waking hours in the garage ...

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USFiero MSG #46, 10-30-2004 11:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

That is really cool how that mirror looks.


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #47, 10-31-2004 10:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by USFiero:


That is really cool how that mirror looks.

Thanks alot. I finally got an opinion. That mirror has been driving me crazy..wondering if it looked right.

I guess its about time to put in an update of what Ive been working on...
Ive been talking to Skitime about making the TransAm fender vents functional. He had a great idea (like always) and passed the info off to me. The TA vents are for letting the excess pressure out of the radiator area . Im told , at high speeds the headlight covers will lift up from the backpressure in that area. So, to resolve this backpressure... Im cutting through this area...

and installing a vent that you find on the outside of the b-pillar area behind the rear clip.The reason I choose this area is it is a direct port from the headlight area (forward facing) to the wheel well. Then Im going to run some tubing from the vent over the top of the fenderwell, and down to the TA vent. Since there is very little room between the fender well and the fenderwell cover, this is very tricky. I will post pics of it in progress, when Im done figuring it all out.



ClearDark MSG #48, 11-06-2004 09:20 PM
      looking good man. I will have to slide on up and check it out for myself soon.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #49, 12-09-2004 07:17 PM
      bumpo... Looking Great!!



USFiero MSG #50, 12-11-2004 10:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:
Ive been talking to Skitime about making the TransAm fender vents functional. The TA vents are for letting the excess pressure out of the radiator area . Im told , at high speeds the headlight covers will lift up from the backpressure in that area. The reason I choose this area is it is a direct port from the headlight area (forward facing) to the wheel well. Then Im going to run some tubing from the vent over the top of the fenderwell, and down to the TA vent. I will post pics of it in progress, when Im done figuring it all out.

I thought that vents behind the wheel opening were also to vent air out of the wheelwell to cool the brakes on other (race) cars. I realize a lot of these mods are to make the Fiero appear like a high performance racecar rather than a commuter car but I've always figured that a hood vent is the ticket and done right would compliment the side vents. Firebirds have the (simulated) hood vents and Corvettes have the side vents... The trick is to visually mke the Fiero balanced so it's not all cheese grater up front and a block of cheese out back. So now you'll need vents on the back; twin side scoops on the rear to match the front fenders, and a hood scoop on the rear deck to match the front hood. To me that would be a consistent package.

How is the project going?


Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #51, 12-11-2004 11:28 AM
      coming along very nicely!

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #52, 12-11-2004 11:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by USFiero:


I thought that vents behind the wheel opening were also to vent air out of the wheelwell to cool the brakes on other (race) cars. I realize a lot of these mods are to make the Fiero appear like a high performance racecar rather than a commuter car but I've always figured that a hood vent is the ticket and done right would compliment the side vents. Firebirds have the (simulated) hood vents and Corvettes have the side vents... The trick is to visually mke the Fiero balanced so it's not all cheese grater up front and a block of cheese out back. So now you'll need vents on the back; twin side scoops on the rear to match the front fenders, and a hood scoop on the rear deck to match the front hood. To me that would be a consistent package.

How is the project going?

Im glad you brought that up. I too assumed that I would use those vents to cool the brakes, but I really dont know if they would actually do anything. I wish i had a wind tunnel. then you would have to cut a hole in the wheel well cover to allow the air to escape through the vent. I didnt wnat to do that just for the fact, I wouldnt know where to cut the opening and that I think they would fill with crap from the tire. I dont know?? In the front bumper , on the side, Ill be installing turn lights (the ones that come on full time when the blinkers are on) ...in front of that will be small openings that will funnel to the wheel well. The forced air theory! That will cool the vents nicely.
As far as the rear quarter, Im thinking of making a larger version the 03 Mustang style side vents. Functional ,of course. The bottom of the vent will line up with the bottom of the trans am fender vents. Whatcha think?

As far as a hood scoop........
I got a visite from 2farnorth and his wonderful wife last weekend, they had donated (earily christmas present) a hood scoop for my project88GT! Actually they brought me the whole hood!!!!!

The person that owned this hood had left it for 2farnorth, so he donated it to me. Im going to cut it off the hood it is on, Clean it up and install it onto the GT. I wanted a low profile hood scoop or vents for a more streamline look and I think this one is perfect!!!
Im not sure if it will go on the rear deck or the front hood yet.
My goal is to balance this car out... and definately not make it look off balance.
By spring, all the body mods will be done... its tough to work in a garge with only a little heater..... ugh.
My project wall is getting smaller!!!

Thanks for the interest ! it makes me happy
John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #53, 01-29-2005 12:47 PM
      Winter stinks up here in Miane. Next year I will have heat in the garage! Nothing really new to post. Just bumping to keep it alive. John

fierogirls-mom (kennyt@bellatlantic.net) MSG #54, 01-29-2005 04:25 PM
      Looks really good John!
I can't wait to see the finished product.



DelawareFiero (ericwfs@aol.com) MSG #55, 03-05-2005 07:20 PM
      just being nosey.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #56, 03-06-2005 11:52 AM
      Thanks for the bumpo, its been a long winter.
Nothing really new to post, its too cold for me to work on any of them.
Where I live, we still have around 20" of snow on the ground and two more storms coming this week.
Enjoy the pic, to all you guys down south and west of here...

Luckily the Formula found shelter and the project88GT is in my garage. THe rest have to live outside until spring. Think warm thoughts. John

carbon MSG #57, 03-06-2005 01:39 PM
      I know that this type of hood scoop has all ready been done on a fiero before but I am wondering about something...

If you made that scoop functional to vent the pressure from around the radiator wounldn't all the water and road dirt and stuff end up on the windshield? Just a thought...



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #58, 03-06-2005 02:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carbon:

I know that this type of hood scoop has all ready been done on a fiero before but I am wondering about something...


If you made that scoop functional to vent the pressure from around the radiator wounldn't all the water and road dirt and stuff end up on the windshield? Just a thought...

no, its not a vaccum type of system. It just lets the air escape a different way. Not to mention, drive behind someone and you will get more stuff on your windsheild then that vent would allow to come out. No worries here, but thanks for asking. John


slickrick2000 (rhess2000@roadrunner.com) MSG #59, 03-06-2005 07:41 PM
      Great build thread. Looking forward to seeing this get closer to the finished product.

DelawareFiero (ericwfs@aol.com) MSG #60, 03-24-2005 04:37 PM
      keeping it around.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #61, 04-16-2005 07:56 AM
      ttt, just because my favorite lists are gone. Spring is here and its time to go full force on this project again. John

Earl-R (earl-r@sbcglobal.net) MSG #62, 04-16-2005 09:11 AM
      I don't know how I missed this thread, looking good.



USFiero MSG #63, 04-19-2005 02:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:
ttt, just because my favorite lists are gone. Spring is here and its time to go full force on this project again. John

your lists are there to the left, just click on the 'slider' on the left side of the screen at 'General Chat'. It's real thin and easy to miss!

ka-bump

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #64, 05-02-2005 08:53 PM
      Well, the weather is great up here and lots have been happening. Working on my sons Fiero does take away from my project , but I fight back and am allowed from time to time to work on my own. I know this scoop install has been done before.... but I did it myself and think I should include it in this build up thread. I received it from 2farnorth over the winter and removed it from the hood it was on, cleaned it up and followed skitimes install procedure. I taped the area on the hood where I wanted the scoop to be installed and placed the scoop on. Took lots of measurements to make sure that it was centered and that it would cover the hole that is to be cut to open the area above the radiator. Then traced the pattern onto the tape...

Then I cut out the area , so I could recess it into the hood. This will give it more of a clean look.

Then I flipped the hood over and cut out the opening that is outlined on the back side. That was the easy part... I had a factory guideline to follow.

As you can see, the opening matches the radiator area pefectly!!!

The hood now, is glued in place and will be glassed in tomarrow.
Here is a rough side shot of what it will look like...


All the stuff on it is weight to help it stay where i want it. Thanks for looking. John


Back On Holiday (bazfl@verizon.net) MSG #65, 05-02-2005 10:19 PM
      Warming up, glad to see your back in the groove =)

Looks nice!

sonic50 (scottdiphone@yahoo.com) MSG #66, 05-05-2005 09:18 PM
      doing a good job, can not wait till I get started on my 88coupe



Skybax MSG #67, 05-06-2005 12:25 AM
      I love that AC Delco creeper



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #68, 05-15-2005 08:12 PM
      Now that the hood is almost done, Ive dropped the engine out of the ole 87GT. This engine is going to be mounted onto the engine craddle from the 88. Im going to open it up and see what it looks like and rebuild it if I have to. Im pressure washing the entire engine and tranny , then proceed to detail this engine to the fullest. I cant wait to start this.

This is all that is left of my 87GT. It will be totaly stripped before it goes to the local metal collector.

The hood has been glassed

The resin seemed to sit too high for me, so out came the grinder and I leveled it off. cleaned it with "prep it" and used boat bonda to level and smooth it for a finish. I will also do the inside to complete the look.

Thanks for looking and Im sorry I skip around alot on this project. Its mainly because of money (Im sure everyone can understand this) John

Fierotaz (hotrodding@cox.net) MSG #69, 05-31-2005 05:53 PM
      I love this hood mod since I saw it on Skitimes car. The mod's are looking great, I would love to see the painted hood when you get it done.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #70, 05-31-2005 06:31 PM
      I will definately post a pic of it finished painted. The scoop makes the front of the Fiero more agressive looking. Thanks for sharing your comments. John

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #71, 07-13-2005 04:46 PM
      keeeping this out of the archives!
Lots of new stuff happening, but nothing to show....
unless anyone wants to see me finishing the glass on my sunroof headliner.
John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #72, 08-10-2005 05:36 PM
      Got the VW antenna installed...(saw this on Jscotts Fiero)

To center it ,I just measured the third brake light and divided the measurement in half. The shaft on the antenna mount goes through the roof and mounts from the inside, just drill through the roof and metal frame. With the headliner out you can see the center bolt that holds the roof panel on, that hole gave me access to screw on the bolt that holds the antenna in place and also a way to run the antenna wire. Looks cool and will work just fine!

Now that the antenna is installed and run up to the front of the interior, I can install my fiberglassed headliner,which will be covered in black vinyl.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #73, 10-05-2005 11:12 PM
     

One of my favorite threads. Keep the updates coming.

88White3.4GT MSG #74, 10-05-2005 11:48 PM
      nice work, keep the pictures coming

theratdude64 (theratdude64@gmail.com) MSG #75, 10-06-2005 01:09 AM
      This Thread is awesome! Can't wait to see the finished product and other cool stuff you're doin

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #76, 10-07-2005 02:15 PM
      Thank you for the interest.
So far, Ive got my engine on a stand and stripped. Im going to replace every gasket in it, and paint it.
Ive removed the power mirror and fixed the "longness" of it.
The hood and fenders are in primer.
My headliner is in fiberglass... and mounted back in to allow it to revert back to its original shape.
Ill have to add more pics , now, that Ive been requested.
John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #77, 10-20-2005 10:20 PM
      So many unfinished areas of my FieroGT. But, it takes time and lot of ....time !
This is the way it sits right now.

I dont have much space to take pictures. But anyone is welcomed to come and see it in person.lol
The bottom of the mirror mount has more of a curve now

now .................................................................................................................before
Im trying to make the mirror less long looking. Ever sit around and just stare at your Fiero. Of course you have, so you know what Im talking about.
Oh, here is something you might like, and it is almost finished.

My shifter console fiberglassed...only took like 20 hours... but Im happy with it. No more warped center console.

Last , but not least... Im trying to figure out the height of my wing with a little of forward tilt.
Its propped up 1 1/2" in the front and 1 3/4 " in the rear. I looked at it from all angles and I think this works best fo me.
Im looking for opinions on the tilt. Please let me know what you think the tilt should be and save me from many more countless hours staring at it.
Thanks for looking and I hope someone finds this useful .
John

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back 4 more MSG #78, 10-20-2005 10:46 PM
      Hey- what's the "bio bag" you have there in the box inside of the car for? i use those for my aquariuam...am i missing somthing here? just checking..ha ha

robbie

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #79, 10-21-2005 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by back 4 more:

Hey- what's the "bio bag" you have there in the box inside of the car for? i use those for my aquariuam...am i missing somthing here? just checking..ha ha

robbie

I installed a fish tank in my center console and those were used to filter the water. You guessed it right. I had to take it out because everytime I went around a corner, the water would splash on the seats. I still havent found all my goldfish. Oh well. John
yes ,Im kidding

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #80, 11-05-2005 08:04 PM
     

fishing for an update.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #81, 11-06-2005 07:46 PM
      did someone say UPDATE?

Well, I have been busy...
Ive been working on a make-shift carport...15' x 20'...

to store my formula and my sons 86GT. Up here in Maine, the winters last for at least 6 months. Its important to protect what you can.
On my project, Ive fiberglassed my two peice headliner board. It was very soft. Now I have it bounted in to allow it to form to the shape of the roof. Ill give it the winter and then Ill glass the two peices together, in place. I do think the board is from a different year, because of the interior light area. It has a bump there, that I dont see in my formula.

Like I said the 2.8 I took out of my 87GT is almost ready for a full tune up. It has great compression, so I wont be tearing it down.
It will get a full paint job as well. The valve covers and plenum will be painted the same as the body. Original metallic burgendy.


Another project I have been working on are the wingstands..I want my wing higher than the original, but I cant afford the extended wingstands that are for sale. So ,I took on the job of making my own.
heres how Ive been doing it, in case anyone else wants to try to make their own...

I traced the bottom of the original stands onto blue board ( which can be bought at any hardware store))
Then I cut them out using an electric knife. This method works great for forming lines. The arrows on the blue board lets me know that this area needs to be extended.

Then, with it roughly cut out, I used that famous ducT tape to tape the cutouts onto the stands. Marking the curves onto the sides to continue the curves. Then cut the curves out. I also had to hollow out the middle of the bottom of these stands to make them sit on the decklid without rocking back and forth.


Originally, the stands sat level on the decklid. Im thinking a tilt to it would be better. But, not too much to make it look like I was trying to create major downforce. Because I dont think the height of the spoiler is enough to grab all that major air needed to create that kind of downforce. So, I sliced off about 3/4" off the front to make it lean forward.

The next step would be to finish shaping it and get it ready for fiber glass. As far as mounting it , now that I have taken away the mounting holes, Ill buy some anchors that I can glass into the bottom to recieve the bolts.
I hope you enjoyed reading this and feel free to ask me any questions to come to mind. John

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #82, 01-02-2006 06:23 PM
     

Bump for an update.

I love this thread.

AaronZ34 (aaronz34@gmail.com) MSG #83, 01-02-2006 06:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Bump for an update.

I love this thread.

Agreed.

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #84, 01-14-2006 10:34 PM
      These are some pictures John (fiero 67) asked me to post of a project he is working on.

* pictures edited out, now posted below *

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #85, 01-15-2006 10:32 AM
      Thanks exoticse, for posting these pics for me. Now all I need to do is find out the problem Im having with PIP.

Ive been working on the armrest light. The light comes on when you open the door. So its a safety thing as well as a good looking armrest. As you can see, I started with a normal armrest....

Using a light strip off the armrest of a 92 Olds 98 Regency... I test fitted it up against a stock Fiero armrest. I would have liked to use the red lighted part as well, but the angle were not close enough, not to mention the fiero armrest isnt long enough. The black areas you see is metal, so I can bend those peices into the shape of the armrest.

I made a template of the light strip and transfered it onto the armrest. Then proceeded to cut the vinyl material off the areas that the light strip would reccess into.The backing is plastic on the armrest. Since these are lighted, I had to drill holes for the light boxes to sit into.

With the strip roughly installed , I placed it back onto the door to see if it was all that I thought it would be. I like it alot!

Another angle of it after some more bending on the strip to make it sit just perfect. This is going to take alot of minor tweking in order for this to fit well on the armrest. Not to mention I have to take it all apart after the bending to re-level the front of it. Bending this peice warps the edges, so after it fits just right, It will be time to clean it up

Here is a close up. I may paint the black charchol grey to match the interior.

I hope you guys enjoy my newest mod. Ill have to post another pic after I have it installed back onto the door and wired in. It wil be wired into the under dash lights.

Thanks for looking . John

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BITBYFIEROBUG MSG #86, 01-15-2006 12:32 PM
      Keep it coming.



ig88vsbobafett (ig88vsbobafett@mail.com) MSG #87, 01-15-2006 12:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

Thanks for the bumpo, its been a long winter.
Nothing really new to post, its too cold for me to work on any of them.
Where I live, we still have around 20" of snow on the ground and two more storms coming this week.
Enjoy the pic, to all you guys down south and west of here...

Luckily the Formula found shelter and the project88GT is in my garage. THe rest have to live outside until spring. Think warm thoughts. John

HEY THERES MY OLD FIERO

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #88, 01-15-2006 06:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ig88vsbobafett:


HEY THERES MY OLD FIERO

You are close enough to me that you may see it some day at a show. And no you cant have it back....lol. john


ig88vsbobafett (ig88vsbobafett@mail.com) MSG #89, 01-16-2006 02:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:


You are close enough to me that you may see it some day at a show. And no you cant have it back....lol. john

Hehe. Is that the most rust free fiero you have ever seen i bought that when i lived in wyoming and drove it back here when i moved.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #90, 01-16-2006 06:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ig88vsbobafett:


Hehe. Is that the most rust free fiero you have ever seen i bought that when i lived in wyoming and drove it back here when i moved.

I got under that one and totally checked it out. Its hard to imagine, that even the brake lines were free of rust. You know that 5-speed you put in her? Well, its going to magically turn into an auto, for my wife. I contacted Mark about buying a sunroof top off him and he threw in the car.

Phil86SE (probichaud@rctvonline.net) MSG #91, 04-04-2006 03:40 AM
      How did those wing stands turn out!?!

i am very interested, this is a great build and i want more!?!?!

great reading so far

- Phil



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #92, 04-08-2006 08:49 AM
      Thanks for the bump....
Believe it or not, its been snowing up here still!!
I havent finished the wing stands yet, just because it is too cold to fiberglass and the wife wont let me do it in the living room. But soon Ill start posting more pics...All the actually work is done on alot of mods, I just have to wait until the weather clears and warms a little and then I can finish all my mods. Thanks for poking in and bumping this. John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #93, 05-22-2006 08:29 PM
      Finally I got some time to work on my Project Fiero. I have my entire front suspension torn down and ready for sand blasting.
. But as far as the wingstands go, Ive made great progress today. I continued shaping the extensions with sand paper

With the edge of my sanding block I sanded 1/4" grooves on the edge that is closest to the actual stand so it would recess into the wingstand. They fit perfectly.


Now that they are shaped and sanded smooth, I can lay my first layer of glass.



The shape is finally comming together. I like the way they flow.
What I like the best, is the extensions are the same size as the original gasket for the windstands.
Thanx for reading this build thread. John

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #94, 07-22-2006 09:54 AM
      bumping to keep it alive. John



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #95, 10-23-2006 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

bumping to keep it alive. John



sometimes life gets in the way of working on my project. I wish i could add something, but I did 3 engine swaps this year on non Fiero cars. UGH

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #96, 01-28-2007 09:40 AM
      Keeping it alive, this is the year I bring her to life!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #97, 04-17-2007 05:26 PM
     

Any updates ??


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #98, 04-20-2007 05:01 PM
      Thanks for the bump-o
Looks like the weather is finally breaking here and I can actually start working on the Fiero again. And I got PIP working again. Stay tuned for pictures...Ive got alot of things I will be doing this year, now that I can finally get back to the Project! Im learning to air brush as of the moment and plan on Air brushing the entire Fiero. HAppy days! John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #99, 06-21-2007 07:38 PM
      Im currently working on a few projects for my project and Im very detailed, so it takes such a long time to complete something. Ive been finishing up the wingstand extensions, while I wait for new poly bushings to arrive. Ive taken on the task of fully rebuilding the front suspension. I had to paint it as well. It took me awhile to choose a color for my springs...but this is it.


3 coat of matallic maroon and 4 coats of candy apple clear coat.

I cant see myself going through all this work and not redoing every part.


POR15 and POR15 chassis coat.
Thanks for looking
John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #100, 06-25-2007 08:13 PM
      Worked on the wingstands again today. Im getting so close!!!!
Found some wonderful stuff called "Fiber Hair". It has fiberglass in it and it is easy to spread . BUT it dries rock friggin hard , so what ever you put it on make sure you have it close to where you want it.
In this first picture, I noticed my wingstands were two different sizes..go figure. so I taped them together (using a bunch of stuff to make sure they were plumb)



This way I could make them both the same size...then proceeded to lay a good coat of the Fiber Hair.



While they were together I sanded them down smooth
*** note: The fiber Hair will not stick to the blue painters tape***

Then I seperated them to allow them to fully cure.



Now what I need to do is sink in some kind of bolt so I can bolt them onto the rear deck lid...and I have to bore out a tunnel through the new wingstand part into the old wingstand . This is the bolt that holds the wingstand onto the spoiler.
Im actually having a fun time on these wingstands! Although the pictures make the wing stands look so messy
Thanks for looking
John

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #101, 07-02-2007 07:25 PM
      Im almost finished with the wingstands !!



just a little smoothing and primer.



I only need to find a good way to secure the new wingstand bolts.As you can see I drilled out two 1" holes to anchor the new bolts. The holes will be about 1" deep and filled with the Fiber Hair and the bolts/washers in the middle of them. the slot on the forward hole is access the mounting hole to the wing.


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #102, 09-02-2007 08:17 PM
      Im just about done with the front suspension.....


I installed the crossmember back on my project to install the springs and the shocks.
Brand new:
Ball joints- upper and lower
Poly bushing for control arms and sway bar
KYB heavy duty gas-0 shocks
all from the Fiero Store

Nothing has been torqued down because Im going to remove the crossmember to finish the steering rack and tie-rods.
Ive been reading other threads on rebuilding the front end and know that I have to have the Fiero on tires to torque some of the front end.
The bearing and spindle assembly will be reconditioned as well.
Thanks for looking.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #103, 11-15-2007 08:14 AM
     


Any updates ?


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #104, 11-17-2007 05:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:

Any updates ?


Thanks for the continued interest.
All my modified body panels are now removed in order to finish the undercarraige and are in storage.
I moved my Project outside ( for a weekend) to remove the engine and cradle. Success!! The 4 banger with auto tranny is now out of it. Its time to start redoin the rear cradle and get it ready for the 2.8! Im excited
Im just waiting for the local heating company to get here to hook up my heater, I plan on repainting the engine after cleaning it . Its still on the engine stand waiting for the full gasket kit to be installed. The cradle is under cover until I get the engine bay done. Hopefully Ill have it running this spring !!!!!
After work Ive been practicing my airbrushing lessons. Im painting this Fiero myself.
That way I can say I actually did everything MYSELF.
Thanks for looking. John


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #105, 02-10-2008 05:22 PM
      bump to keep it alive...spring is coming and the project will resume!!!

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #106, 04-14-2008 10:10 PM
      It is Spring time again. Im back in the garage and started the rebuild of the 2.8 that came out of my 87GT. I have never opened up an engine before, but with the " How to Rebuild you GM V-6 60 degree Engine", what could go wrong ? I dont know either, but Im about to find out
This is what I started with:



I pulled everything off and have it down to what you see. Everything, so far, looks good:



I started cleaning all the internals and what a difference it makes. Im cleaning everything so I can check it for wear and cracks. Just look at the differnce :



I know that is very important to put everything back in where it came from, so I made this stand out of wood to hold the push rods and rocker arms so I know where they go when I reassemble the engine.



There isnt alot of info I can give you at this point, because Im learning this myself.
Thanks for looking. John

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jeremycrussell (jeremyr@society86.com) MSG #107, 06-14-2008 05:12 AM
      Sweet Build, any more progress?

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #108, 06-15-2008 09:31 AM
      Thanks for the bump. Progress has been ongoing, I have the engine totally torn down and Im going to rebuild it, just for the fact its torn apart..why not?! Im starting on a new project while I wait for the machinist to finish a valve job. Its something I believe will be a first in the fiero world. It has to do with the interior. John

2farnorth MSG #109, 08-29-2008 10:19 PM
      Come on John... You're holding back on us....... Just bumping it up

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #110, 11-23-2008 02:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2farnorth:

Come on John... You're holding back on us....... Just bumping it up



SHHHHHHHHHHHHH


hye_4_life MSG #111, 12-30-2008 02:43 AM
      Any updates John?

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #112, 01-11-2009 12:47 PM
      Ive got an update....its snowing out...grrrrrrrrrrr. cant wait until spring....



but you may be able to guess what I have been working on. Ive pretty much have figured it out. Now to install A/C back into the fiero. It fits where the temp control is now.. luckily 88s have no sliders for the controls

I wish it were spring!
John

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War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #113, 03-16-2009 11:02 AM
      Love the thread!!

BMTFIERO (bmtfiero@outlook.com) MSG #114, 05-27-2009 01:45 AM
      BUMp

solotwo MSG #115, 09-23-2009 09:55 PM
      Wow great job. I was going to ask about the room mate, but it sounds like you have new one. I hope all works out for you.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #116, 09-24-2009 03:35 PM
      Luckily , the room mate is forever gone, after she had to pay me (court ordered) $600. Thanks for the kind words. Not much happening on the Project88GT this summer.It rained half of it! But I did manage to secure a 3.1 with hardly any miles on it for an engine swap

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #117, 09-25-2009 11:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

Ive got an update....its snowing out...grrrrrrrrrrr. cant wait until spring....



but you may be able to guess what I have been working on. Ive pretty much have figured it out. Now to install A/C back into the fiero. It fits where the temp control is now.. luckily 88s have no sliders for the controls

I wish it were spring!
John



What did you pull this out of, and would you mind sharing you wiring diagrams? Thanks -Jason


fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #118, 11-06-2009 09:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierofreak00:


What did you pull this out of, and would you mind sharing you wiring diagrams? Thanks -Jason


came out of a 1990 Buicl lesabre, I believe, took the entire heating system out, just to make sure I had everything before it went to the crusher.



fieroparts.com (pff@fieroparts.com) MSG #119, 07-31-2012 08:14 PM
      update

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #120, 09-10-2012 10:30 PM
      no real updates on this build. it stalled while i was looking for a 3800 sc... and ended up buying two more fieros. Looks like i might put the 2.8 back into it.... but im fighting that urge ...ugh

fierolover87 (mikejohnson1184@gmail.com) MSG #121, 10-09-2012 02:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fiero67:

Im just about done with the front suspension.....




This is GORGEOUS!!! Minus the rusty steering knuckle of course.

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Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #122, 10-09-2012 10:16 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by fiero67:



Still watching for the update on this!! -Jason

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fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #123, 10-19-2012 05:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierofreak00:

Still watching for the update on this!! -Jason



Sorry.. i haven't worked on my Fiero for a bit because I have been working on my blue 87.... sorry. I put this Fiero in my carport because I was waiting for a good 3800SC, but nothing so far.... might have to put the 2.8 back in but thanks for the continued interest!!


fierolover87: thanks for the kind words.. that knuckle is no longer rusty.. it look brand new now!


hercimer01 MSG #124, 10-23-2012 12:44 AM
      Put in a straight 3800 then it'll bee ready when you do find an L67. Ask phonedawgz but i'm pretty sure they're close to the same install wise. Just make accommodations for the L67 when you do finally put it in.



fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #125, 10-24-2012 06:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hercimer01:

Put in a straight 3800 then it'll bee ready when you do find an L67. Ask phonedawgz but i'm pretty sure they're close to the same install wise. Just make accommodations for the L67 when you do finally put it in.



thanks for the heads up... its been hard to find a deceent 3800sc here in Maine at a decent price. I will look into getting a straight 3800... Im assuming all mechanical would be the same... Ill read your thread. a plus for you!


hercimer01 MSG #126, 10-25-2012 01:56 PM
      L67 use a 4t65eHD. A 3800 uses a 4t65e trans ( non HD) My buddy who builds them for a living says what makes it an HD is only the differential inside the trans. So externally it would be the same. I'm not sure about the wiring. So motor mounts and axles would be the same as far as I know. I know the wiring is a little different like the boost bypass valve and a few other things. You will have to ask around to the experts.

fiero67 (fiero67@netscape.net) MSG #127, 10-25-2012 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hercimer01:

L67 use a 4t65eHD. A 3800 uses a 4t65e trans ( non HD) My buddy who builds them for a living says what makes it an HD is only the differential inside the trans. So externally it would be the same. I'm not sure about the wiring. So motor mounts and axles would be the same as far as I know. I know the wiring is a little different like the boost bypass valve and a few other things. You will have to ask around to the experts.


thanks for the heads up... sounds like a better plan to just install the base one and upgrade later on. I hated doing all this work and then putting it aside to sit!