newest project
Topic started by: bubbajoexxx, Date: 09-12-2003 06:18 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000007.html


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1, 09-12-2003 06:18 PM
      my newest project a 12" stretched fiero using a N* with 5spd porsche tranaxle and new body configuration


Building a Newest Project thread table of contents for myself due to the length.
Then I thought I should share with everyone, so here's the Table of Contents:

Page
1 12 inch stretch wagon concept with N* / Porsche transaxle / Webber fuel system

2 Stripped down and stretch welded together / Dellorto carbs / 2001 Northstar

3 Hinged Fiberglass wagon roof / Modified stretched side scoops

4 Original carb spacers installed on Northstar

5 Kammback wagons / Belt driven distributor idea

6 Transadapter plate / Cost effectiveness / Diff rotation direction

7 Stock shifter cable / Custom fabricated headers / Oil cooler / Exhaust with Supertraps / 12 inch 1985 Corvette front brakes (adapter and concentric ring)

8 Specs & drawings on brake adapters / 1972-1980 Corvette master cylinder / Link to more Bubbajoexxx pictures on his site

9 Steps of 12" 88 Corvette rotors front brake swap with link / Corvair hubs for larger bearings and 5x4-3/4 bolt pattern / Rear Corvette brake adapter brackets 84-87 and 88-96

10 Diamond plate engine bay / Northstar lowered into stretched engine bay / HPV1 stand alone ignition system

11 Rear caliper adapter bracket drawings / Link to audio clip of first fire up of Northstar

12 Guages converted to V8 / Firebird dash swap with LCD TV / 94 Firebird console / Porsche 356 intake runners mod with link

13 Carpeted firewall to match console and dash / Link to frame stretch steps with pics / Dual radiator setup in side scoops / Poll on wagon vs. notchback vs. fastback vs. hatchback

14 The member brainstorming continues with photoshops of the front runner idea of a clear hatch glass over the engine

15 Firebird wrap around rear spoiler idea / Shots of the contents where trunk used to be / Bubbajoexxx goes ahead with 3rd Gen Camaro glass hatch

16 Steps with pics of the rear hatch installation using sheet metal molds and fiberglass / Photoshop in tangerine orange / Bubbajoe's trademark black satin roof treatment

17 More pics of the hatch install with forum member brainstorming on scoops on the b-pillar or roof / Search for rear wing / Carb setup to change to velocity stacks

18 88 Daytona wraparound spoiler chosen / Details and pics of the Fiero rear decklid being bonded to the Camaro decklid / Rear defroster on hatchglass

19 Rear Fiero latch to be used with custom hook / Cliff Pennock makes backup of thread / Corvette C5 17/18" rims / Front Corvair hub upgrade for larger bearings and correct bolt pattern for rims

20 Details on upgrading the rear with modified S10 - Blazer or S15 - Jimmy uprights to fit Corvette C4 brake upgrade and new Corvette C5 rim bolt pattern

21 Buildup of adjustable rear coilover struts / Suggestion to send completed pics to Pontiac Enthusiast, Hot Rod, and GM High Performance magazines

22 Roof section reinstalled to match slope of rear hatch using SMC bonding agent / Fiberglass work to finish shape / Rear 89 Daytona wraparound wing modifications and installation

23 Indy Fiero hood emblem restored and customized / Cliff's notes version of build to date / Idea to customize Fiero rear tailights

24 Upgrade to C5 Corvette rear suspension - buildup with pics / This car was a 100% Indy saved from being parted out

25 New custom fabrication of engine cradle to upgrade with the C5 rear suspension arms

26 Lambo Muira was to be Bubba's next build / Audi TT 5 speed short throw shifter upgrade / Aluminum cradle bushings but rubber transaxle and engine mounts / DVD and LCD monitor

27 Audi TT gas cap mod / Link to Factory Five's GTM / New 4-channel remote for accessories

28 Audi TT shifter is installed into Firebird console / Replaced the GT aero nose with an 87 Formula style and rear bumper upgrade begins

29 Old cradle removed with engine suspended on stand so new rear suspension can be installed / Rear bearing and knuckle mods sizes with pics / Rear strut towers removed

30 Hub and bearing discussion with GM part numbers and pictures (S10 Blazer and C5 Corvette)

31 Bubba's Fiero Computer chair / Removal of rear body panels for frame upgrade now that shock towers are removed / Winter in Canada!

32 Front trunk compartment and weight distribution discussion / Driver's side of new rear frame progress / Corvette rear brake upgrade questions

33 Passenger side frame upgrade progress / New rear frame section built to suit the Corvette suspension / Splicing the frame together

34 The rear cli[p and hatch are reassembled / Next evolution of carburator intakes to clear hatch

35 Flare of rear fenders utilizing old notchie clip to widen 2 inches with step by step instructions and detailed pics / Pictures of the complete car back on the ground / Photoshop updates

36 Discussion on removing bodyside mouldings / Fabricating and fitting new rear inner fender flares with pictures

37 Corvette vertical grills with idea of using as replacement side scoops / Photoshop ideas on scoops and removing Sail Panels

38 Discussion on Norm's Fiberglass front end / Bubba explains his limitations physically / Lots of pictures showing finish work on the rear fenders and scoops

39 Louvers or no louvers - forum members vote their opinions / Discussions on what parts would be used for a custom front suspension build up

40 Headliner and sun visors redone / Forum members photoshop and make suggestions on custom side skirts

41 Photoshop brainstorming for a new custom rear end to match side skirts and involves new exhaust and possibly new tailights

42 More development on a new look for the rear of the project / Bubbajoe builds a model replica of his car's frame

43 Shots of the front of the engine showing the pickup for the HPV1 and clearance to the firewall / Dellorto carb info

44 Side skirts go on - contest to guess what they came off of (Caravan) / Hood is refinished / BMW Mini side indicators in front fenders / Front air dam project begins

45 Tons of pictures of the overall car in primer after the front air dam was completed and bolted on / Many compliments from forum members

46 Work begins making a custom rear valance using a bumper cover as a starting mold / Builds attachment brackets to make yet another bolt on part / Work on a barge board for the rear diffuser

47 Rear valance grill to allow hot air to escape out the back / A louvered plate is built to smooth the underside of the car and connects to the side skirts / Custom all red
sequential tailight are made

48 Rear deck upgrade bonded SMC so no metal to rust / New exhaust setup with vertical muffler and four tips under the license plate / Details on spark plug wires custom made

49 Old Fiero front suspension is picked up so that Bubba can design an 84-87 coilover upgrade / New custom machined billet aluminum intakes are made and installed for the carbs

50 Pictures of the installed custom made driveaxles / Fuel lines upgrades / Portable garage / Hatch to roof hinge pics / Fan assisted oil cooler / youtube links to engine sound / 240Z Breathers

51 Hatch strut info / Spark plug wire details / Northstar spark plug covers / Rear decklid intake vents / Electric vacuum brakes buildup / Bubbajoe advises of his car accident / Desktop computer pics

52 Torque discussion on the Porsche 902 transaxle used from the 914 vs. other Porsche units / Radiator intake scoop upgrade

53 Pontiac G6 6-speed HP/Torque rating vs. Porsche 902 unit / Link to Porsche transaxle information / On April 11th, Bubbajoe explains that he is selling the project due to health reasons

54 $10K in the project plus labour but only asking $2K / He wants the project to live on and get to a new home not scraped / Kind words from many forum members / Fiero2m8 is the new owner!

55 Table of Contents / Shift linkage and ride height adjustment / Carburator cleaning / Video of sequential tail lights wired up and functional

56 Dash panel finish work / new slave cylinder and oil pressure sensor / 4 wheel alignment / New windshield installed / Pictures from 25th Fiero show in Pontiac & MIS / Glass hatch window tinting

57 Niagara Wine Route cruise pics / Bubbajoe gets a ride with Fiero2m8 in the newest project / Corvette hood swap / Fiero room is built / rear window shatters

58 88 suspension picked up in TN from late forum member Skoon / Indy seats are refurbished with Mr. Mikes / Pontiac delete from headlight panel / Custom rear window build at glass shop

59 Headlight motor swap / inner dew wipes replaced / DVD monitor, speakers, amps and Subwoofer / Sunroof leaking mod / pics of custom cradle / Decision on full restoration after body removed

60 80-85 Cadillac Seville hub bearings / Porsche transaxle rebuilt / custom pressure plate and kevlar clutch / Northstar dismantled and removed / Space frame painting / panels in primer

61 Transaxle paint / Northstar rebuild / Suspension powdercoating / parts painting / paint order / Air filters, condenser and fan arrive / Ceramic coated headers / 88 cross member install underway

62 Bubbajoe completes Caddy hub bearing upgrade / Silver Indy decals custom made / 88 suspension mounts fabricated / C5 rear suspension powder coated / Mercedes daily driver repair

63 Bearing strength discussion / first pics of painted body panels / buildup of 88 front suspension swap / modded poly bushings for 88 sway bar / front trunk fabrication / pcv manifold

64 Electric vacuum pump for power brakes relocated / front of rebuilt Northstar is dressed with crank sensor, pulleys and serpentine belt / engine cradle reinstalled / C5 rear suspension reassembly

65 Discussion on flywheel bolt torque / #1 cylinder location / Z06 rear sway bar install / stainless brake flex hoses / coolant system, water pump drive and spark plug wire assembly / vacuum tube plumbing

66 Fuel filter install / cross drilling of rear rotors / First startup of 2011 video / new starter install / Optima yellow top / fixing fuel system leaks / finishing of brake system with chrome MC and EBC red stuff pads

67 Throttle linkage repair / stainless rad hose install / copy of of Table of Contents now on page 1, post 1 / rebalance carburator with bent throttle shaft / further discussion on hub bearing upgrade

68 Finishing cooling system / playing around with Cadillac intake cover / worked on wiring new LED reverse lights and tidying up harness with wiring loom / worked on redesign of throttle linkage setup

69 Retuned shifter linkage / painted underside of some body panels / tinted rear tailights / started reassembly of body panels at rear of Fiero / repaired sequential lights and finished rear wiring / reinstalled sunroof panel, fenders, hood, decklid, spoiler, front bumper cover, apron and sideskirts / new decklid vent

70 Smooth door handles / LED clear indicator lens / Door panel assembly, fit and adjustment / ride height adjust / interior door panel reassembly / LED dome lights / Headlight install / headliner recovering / wiring loom upgrade to cool tube / Test drive for photos / found that 4th 5th not working so transaxle removed again

71 Transaxle fixed, painted and re-installed / Transaxle removed again for clutch and pressure plate upgrade / finished building trunk in front compartment / finished with indoor-outdoor carpet / upgraded tailights to LED and reinstalled sequential controls / installed chrome coolant tubing / bought spare transaxle from Bubbajoe / waterproofed roof with new hardware

72 Upholster of headliner and rear window trim panel / new sunroof tracks and seal installation / new slave cylinder install on spare powdercoated Porsche 914 transaxle / reinstall and adjustment of clutch and transaxle / inner dew wipe install / transaxle seal replaced to fix leak

73 Adjusting front ride height by swapping coil insulator with a 3/4" rubber spacer / Flowmaster mufflers installation / List of steps to remove Fiero body panels / Carb rejetting / Repair of broken CV joint / doublec4 HID headlamps build up / GM Powertrain show 2012 pics / Chassis dyno video and results

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 08-25-2012).]

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #2, 09-12-2003 06:32 PM
      Coool concept but the car itself looks a little like a hearse, not to bad mouth it...you should just try to revise the style...perhaps some of the more imaginative people on the Forum could give their suggestions. Sweet project, I still wanna know how the 4.9SC went for you.

Steven Rossi



hvneye (hvneye@ycomcast.net) MSG #3, 09-12-2003 07:27 PM
      mite as well build a lambo kit ^^

KRuzn MAchines (kruznmachines@cox.net) MSG #4, 09-12-2003 07:36 PM
      put a hatchback on it


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #5, 09-12-2003 08:13 PM
      blank

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-16-2003).]

Gordo MSG #6, 09-12-2003 08:26 PM
      Sort of reminds me of a big Lotus Europa.

Mako (mako1701@omuonline.net) MSG #7, 09-12-2003 08:58 PM
      Throw the rear spoiler on and the ground effects,and watch the difference it would make...hehe..ooh,and of course a V8 facing front-n-center...



LordBoOsT (viciousbunnyrabbit@hotmail.com) MSG #8, 09-12-2003 09:03 PM
      Put some bigger side mirrors on there to help those blind spots...LOL

JetroGT MSG #9, 09-12-2003 09:07 PM
      I was thinking on ways you could open the back. The first idea was to have the whole hatch on a track so it would slide back like a box of matches. Second was a simple split with hinges/struts.

I know. Bad pic but you get the idea.



FieroBUZZ MSG #10, 09-12-2003 10:20 PM
      Wasn't one of those crazy Californians on here complaining that there was nowhere for his surf board........problem solved.

pred1tor83 (pred1tor83@yahoo.com) MSG #11, 09-12-2003 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

here is another version of the same idea


I LOVE IT... so what exactly are you doing with the extra 12 inches?


is this project started or just dreamin?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #12, 09-12-2003 11:29 PM
      inline V8 N* with 5spd Porsche Transaxle
with webber fuel system


88fieroformula (michael_nikkel@yahoo.com) MSG #13, 09-13-2003 12:55 AM
      i dont understand why you would want to make such a short little sportscar, that handles great, so long and...not a "FIERO".

PBJ (pbjt@sympatico.ca) MSG #14, 09-13-2003 07:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 88fieroformula:

i dont understand why you would want to make such a short little sportscar, that handles great, so long and...not a "FIERO".

You need to make it longer to fit the Porsche longitudanal transmission in. That is why.



Gridlock (thughes7@telus.net) MSG #15, 09-13-2003 01:54 PM
      Ahhh! What did your car ever do to you?

Gordo MSG #16, 09-15-2003 08:34 PM
     

Fiero Minivan



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #17, 09-15-2003 09:07 PM
      Shaggin' Waggin'



Songman MSG #18, 09-15-2003 09:07 PM
      Rie and I had talked about doing something like that. She is into hearses and stuff. Her other name she uses on other forums and stuff is cemeterylvr. I'll have to make sure she sees this picture.



Kelvin Vivian (no_18@yahoo.com) MSG #19, 09-15-2003 10:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gordo:

Fiero Minivan

Looks like a Z3 Coupe! I like it. - kv



lurker (mraboy@att.net) MSG #20, 09-15-2003 10:34 PM
      i see the trunk. where's the engine?

Gordo MSG #21, 09-15-2003 10:41 PM
      Notice the headrests in the back window? This is the new six passenger version.

It doesn't need an engine because like most fieros it spends most of it's life behind a tow truck or up on blocks.

FieroAudio (blaine@korte.ca) MSG #22, 09-16-2003 12:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gordo:

Fiero Minivan

Nice photoshop.



Gridlock (thughes7@telus.net) MSG #23, 09-16-2003 12:50 AM
      I try to be supportive. I really do. I try to be nice. I swear it.

But good god, holy what the **** are ya trying to do?

Ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly. Oh, btw-ugly.

Sorry guys, hate to offend, but someone's got to stand up against this.

SplineZ (splinez@ninjas.ca) MSG #24, 09-16-2003 01:00 AM
      pontiac crx haha

James Z



vortecfiero (vortecfiero@hotmail.com) MSG #25, 09-16-2003 01:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gordo:

Fiero Minivan

fiero - pinto ? j/k
looks good



Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #26, 09-16-2003 10:25 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lurker:

i see the trunk. where's the engine?


it is using a VW flat 4 so there is space under the trunk



8Ball (viriiguy@gmail.com) MSG #27, 09-16-2003 11:16 AM
      I think it is an excellent Idea, and I would love to see it when it is finished.

On a side note, a Fiero Herse would ROCK!!!!
I have thought a few times about makeing one, as my wife is big into herses and that would be one sure fire way to get her to like my passion.


Fierokid87 (scotts_fiero@juno.com) MSG #28, 09-16-2003 11:26 AM
     

Wow either you have to have VERY long arms to reach the stearing wheel, or the back passengers get to sit with the engine



ZeroC (tylercaddick@gmail.com) MSG #29, 09-16-2003 12:05 PM
      Please Dont Kill Anymore Fiero's with This Kind Of Stuff

*Zero Sheds A Single Tear For Any Fiero's That Have This Done To Them*



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #30, 09-16-2003 06:39 PM
     

I see my tail light converstion Has finaly caught on Joe

onfire (onfire_x@yahoo.com) MSG #31, 09-17-2003 01:34 PM
      I always liked this picture. You could modify a Honda hatchback to fit, or even a Geo hatch.



derangedsheep MSG #32, 09-17-2003 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierokid87:


Wow either you have to have VERY long arms to reach the stearing wheel, or the back passengers get to sit with the engine

at least its warm

JD86GT350 MSG #33, 09-17-2003 08:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kelvin Vivian:

Looks like a Z3 Coupe! I like it. - kv

hmm, I was thinking Gremlin myself, but hey

arte444 (kakagiraffe@gmail.com) MSG #34, 09-17-2003 08:13 PM
      Make sure you put in the back seat so you can haul the kids to practice.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #35, 09-17-2003 10:01 PM
      with all of the 12 inches of extra space being used up by the engine and transaxle thats imposible



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #36, 10-04-2003 12:03 AM
      here are some pics of the process so far






bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #37, 10-04-2003 12:11 AM
     



USFiero MSG #38, 10-04-2003 12:29 AM
      I smell Fiberglass in your future...where's Smooooth?!?!?

Smoooooth GT MSG #39, 10-04-2003 02:35 AM
      Here I am!!! ing.....

Smoooooth GT MSG #40, 10-04-2003 02:37 AM
      I could make some serious sidescoop's fer that sucker.. Look at the size they will be... COOL

rogergarrison (fastandred@hotmail.com) MSG #41, 10-04-2003 09:48 AM
      I kinda like it. Its different. Sorta looks like an old sedan delivery. Nice thing is you can actually take stuff with you to car shows

30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #42, 10-04-2003 11:56 AM
     
 
quote
JetroGT:

Are those bat taillights for real? If so, how was it done?


FIEROZ.COM (webmaster@fieroz.com) MSG #43, 10-04-2003 03:31 PM
      How will it look if you moved the wheel wells back instead of streching the frame; do I make any sense.



Smoooooth GT MSG #44, 10-04-2003 03:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 30+mpg:

 
quote
JetroGT:

Are those bat taillights for real? If so, how was it done?

That was BATMAN's light's.. Do a search for "BATMAN".

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #45, 10-04-2003 03:43 PM
      here are some more



Boomtastic MSG #46, 10-04-2003 03:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Nice reworking of the body! Lines are kept very clean.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #47, 10-04-2003 06:34 PM
      thank you this is the hardest part to make the upper section will be made from 2 more rear sections and glass fill

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #48, 10-04-2003 06:39 PM
     

as you can see the chassie is well reinforced and the new space will hold the new rads one on each side

30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #49, 10-04-2003 10:10 PM
     
 
quote
Smoooooth GT:That was BATMAN's light's.. Do a search for "BATMAN".
You got me on that one. Search for Batman what a waste of time.

Anyone know how the taillights were made into bat shapes?

GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #50, 10-04-2003 10:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 30+mpg:

 
quote
Smoooooth GT:That was BATMAN's light's.. Do a search for "BATMAN".
You got me on that one. Search for Batman what a waste of time.

Anyone know how the taillights were made into bat shapes?


I think smooth ment do search for BatBoy , theats the forum members pff name


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #51, 10-05-2003 07:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 30+mpg:

 
quote
Smoooooth GT:That was BATMAN's light's.. Do a search for "BATMAN".
You got me on that one. Search for Batman what a waste of time.

Anyone know how the taillights were made into bat shapes?

The search should have been for "Batboy" or "batmobile. Batboy is a forum member that did that mod to his lights. This is one link to see it, but there are more out there. http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20010924-1-006878.html



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #52, 10-05-2003 02:49 PM
      I thought the guy was joking! Untill I saw the pics!

You will need some far out bodykit dude!

Smoooth: You might want to do the "fell out of a tree and got the idea" trick one more time. The guy deserves it

edit: Oeps, missed the second page...

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 10-05-2003).]

Cozmo (bobcardone@gmail.com) MSG #53, 10-05-2003 03:07 PM
      After seeing the green stretch Fiero on your web site, I wondered how you did it...
Thanks for the "in process" pics, now I know...
Excellent stuff, don't let the ankle-biters get ya down!
Good to see you on the Forum again.

BobC

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #54, 10-05-2003 03:30 PM
      started mock up of the side pannels that will be replaced with scoops once the lower rocker extentions are complete


Smoooooth GT MSG #55, 10-05-2003 03:33 PM
      I meant Batboy.. Who put Batman... Been smokin' to much I guess!

Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #56, 10-05-2003 08:51 PM
      I'll give Bubba Joe and A+ for creativity but I doubt if the idea of a Fiero station wagon will ever catch on. Adding weight is bound to slow you down and cost you a few tenths in the 1/4 mile. That could cost you a critical win. However, as the saying goes " one mans food is another mans poison".



Gordo MSG #57, 10-05-2003 09:21 PM
      Lots of hard work but looking good. Keep the posts coming. I didn't thing that your were serious at first.



Alex4mula (torres_a@hotmail.com) MSG #58, 10-05-2003 09:29 PM
      Wow! This guy is definitely very ingenious! What about a Fiero pickup? This pic kind of looks like the Aus GM Holden, doesn't it?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #59, 10-05-2003 10:37 PM
      I thank you but I dont think 25 lbs of fiberglass will hurt that much the weight of the car has not increased much as there was as much cut out as put back in the new trans is lighter the engine is 30 lbs heavier and the relocated rads will weigh almost the same as the original the under car cooling tube will be removed and the front filled for a trunk

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #60, 10-07-2003 03:18 PM
      Hey bubbajoexx, what are you using for the trunk section? are you going to add a cut trunk section deck from another Fiero and glass/weld it between the (2) parts? Was the rear clip hard to take off? If so, do you have any additional pics?

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #61, 10-07-2003 08:09 PM
      This project is a variation of a great theme, that being the Fiero. Maybe not for all Fiero fans but BubbaJoe is an innovative thinker and a mechanical genius. He doesn't follow, he leads and challenges conventional thinking.

Awesome work Joe!


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #62, 10-08-2003 09:03 AM
      madcurl
will use 2 decks and section them together and will post pics as to how it is done will also be raising the rear quarters to make the sedan delivery look


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #63, 10-08-2003 05:43 PM
      Hey thanks bubbajoexxx, I'm looking forward to your pics. I too wanted to extend part of the trunk deck lid and rear side panels, but not as extensive as yours. There are a lot of wrecked Fieros in Bakersfield junk yard, so the parts are no problem....getting the (2)trunk decks molded togethere is the biggest question for me?

SeattleRedFormula (jrcarden@comcast.net) MSG #64, 10-08-2003 08:14 PM
      Have you guys seen the 1970's movie, "Harold and Maude"? Rich kid is obsessed with death and converts his E-type Jag (I think) into a hearse. It looks cool. This one also reminds me of the old Volvo P1800 and the BMW Z3. Great idea.

Savagery (dave@eclipsestudios.net) MSG #65, 10-08-2003 08:20 PM
      Wow, I thought you were joking. Let us all pray for that poor, poor fiero.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #66, 10-08-2003 08:32 PM
      these are the heart of the swap DELLortos=one carb per cylinder



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #67, 10-08-2003 08:38 PM
      by the way this is the engine


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #68, 10-09-2003 01:48 PM
      Hey bubbajoexxx, those Dell-lortos carbs, are those the ones that are going onto the Northstar? What gains are there compared to the normal fuel injection?

pred1tor83 (pred1tor83@yahoo.com) MSG #69, 10-09-2003 02:19 PM
      at first i thought u were joking!


KEEP US POSTED!!



crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #70, 10-09-2003 07:17 PM
      That looks like alot of work Joe, should have rebuilt te frame and stuck a superduty in that Indy!

Yes, it is an Indy

Cheever3000 MSG #71, 10-09-2003 07:34 PM
      So, you don't need to vent the engine compartment with grills or scoops or something? And talk about blind spots!

I just don't know. Oh well, as long as you're having fun.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #72, 10-09-2003 08:03 PM
      madcurl

as of yet there are no hacks for the engine as it is an 01 so this was the next best

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #73, 10-09-2003 08:06 PM
      Cheever3000

there are no inner panels to stop air flow and there are side scoops being made and a roof vent for air flow and there will be side windows and a rear window as well working on the upper body now hope to have it done by next week


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #74, 10-11-2003 07:12 PM
      rear is now framed and glassed and rear of roof attached now have to fill in the roof and part of the sides so windows can be installed


Oneredfiero (trevor@fieroclub.ca) MSG #75, 10-11-2003 07:21 PM
      Wow. I'm speachless. Where in canada are you? I would realy like to see this think in person. Cool I can speak. Very nice work.



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #76, 10-11-2003 07:22 PM
      While the "wagon" concept is certainly unique, I'm really pumped about the carb'ed N*. What are you using to run the ignition?

way cool, Joe!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #77, 10-11-2003 07:30 PM
      im going to try the coil pack if I can get it to work if not have found a way to install a dist the timming cover

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #78, 10-11-2003 07:31 PM
      Oneredfiero
Toronto Ontario Canada


Convertable Indy (evans47243@adelphia.net) MSG #79, 10-11-2003 07:43 PM
      GREAT idea! Hey can someone photoshop a fastback delivery wagon? Keep the pics coming!



Smoooooth GT MSG #80, 10-12-2003 10:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

rear is now framed and glassed and rear of roof attached now have to fill in the roof and part of the sides so windows can be installed

I guess Cananda is too fer' for me to come up and lend a hand... IT IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!



litespd MSG #81, 10-12-2003 01:16 PM
      I'm curious as to how you're going to access the engine compartment with the wagon roof on the car. Will the whole assembly be hinged? It doesn't look like it in the photos...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #82, 10-14-2003 11:33 AM
      you will see in tonights pics it is hinged



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #83, 10-14-2003 12:49 PM
      bubbajoe - I'm really impressed at how quickly you're moving through this project... it's also really great to see people still thinking "outside the box" - or in the case, lengthing and adding a "wagon" top to the box

Keep up the work, and thanks for providing us with your work-in-progress pics!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #84, 10-14-2003 12:49 PM
      Man, you are crazy! Keep it that way!

love to see the progress.

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #85, 10-14-2003 01:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

im going to try the coil pack if I can get it to work if not have found a way to install a dist the timming cover

Ya know... I had the "install a dist the timming cover" idea about a year ago. I did a little research to see if I could find a belt driven distributor. I found one but it was WAY expensive and on top of that, you'd still have to figure a way to turn it.

But, having tought about it a little more (and if I remember correctly), I once had an old Mercury two stroke outboard that had a straight six cylinder motor. It had a short distributer that was turned by a cogged belt from under the flywheel. That may be a good place to look.

Roy

BlueGT MSG #86, 10-14-2003 01:43 PM
      The idea reminds me of the fullback Nissan Pulsar. Just before I bought my first Fiero, I was trying to negotiate a deal on a Pulsar NX with fullback option. Can't wait to see the finished project.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #87, 10-14-2003 06:40 PM
      rear section removed from the car as you can see its not part of the car


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #88, 10-15-2003 09:52 AM
      Are you going to cut in some side windows to help with the HUGE blind spots? Or, yo could add some small video cameras.

Looking good,
Roy


yosemitefieros MSG #89, 10-15-2003 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

here are some pics of the process so far




bubbajoexxx, what thickness metal stock did you use for the extensions? Also, what did you use specifically on the cradle?

Gary



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #90, 10-15-2003 04:28 PM
      1/8 on extention and 100 wall on upper rails and cross bars and 3/16 on the cradle



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #91, 10-15-2003 04:34 PM
      latest pics
as you can see the roof is taking shape. It's hinged the rear is attached now it is time to fill in the center section and cut out the window openings




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #92, 10-15-2003 04:44 PM
      Smoooooth GT
about 1400 miles from you too far but I'm getting there but thanks for the offer it is appreciated



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #93, 10-20-2003 05:26 PM
      roof almost done check out the roof scoop





madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #94, 10-20-2003 05:58 PM
      Hey bubbajoexxx, from the looks of it, the raised trunk/deck lid reminds me of the 1990 concept Fiero. On the video, the engineers where wondering what kind of seal "they" where going to use to keep water out at the top and what type of hing to use. They also showed how "they" extended the rear by 4"

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #95, 10-20-2003 06:29 PM
      the roof is one piece and lifts from the rear and the old deck made a good filler for the center of the roof . also I must mention that my bud Bobert a member here has help emensely with this stretch project and has contributed many ideas as how to go Thanks Bob you deserve it Bubbajoe

for more pics go to
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id210.htm



Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #96, 10-20-2003 06:41 PM
      It's starting to look like a Dodge Rampage with a canopy on it from the back...yikes! Thank goodness the front end isn't butt ugly like the rampage's was.

Bryce
88 GT


linenoise MSG #97, 10-20-2003 09:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gordo:

Fiero Minivan

I spy a seat where the engine should be.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #98, 10-20-2003 10:23 PM
      no room all engine and trans in there

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #99, 10-20-2003 10:28 PM
      and I have to thank GORDO for the Idea to move the rear roof piller back to form the rear of the roof but I am going with a full rear window no trunk showing the glass will extend right to the rear



L44_87GT MSG #100, 10-20-2003 10:36 PM
      That GT nose looks very farmilar



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #101, 10-20-2003 10:52 PM
      no idea where it's from came with the car I got from Bobert had to do a lot to make it straight was warped bad at the hood line but it is straight now

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-20-2003).]

Howard_Sacks (@hotmail.com) MSG #102, 10-20-2003 11:10 PM
      I think it kinda looks like a Lotus Europa. They do look goofy, but I'd love to have one.

 
quote
Originally posted by Nashco:

It's starting to look like a Dodge Rampage with a canopy on it from the back...yikes! Thank goodness the front end isn't butt ugly like the rampage's was.

Bryce
88 GT

[This message has been edited by Howard_Sacks (edited 10-20-2003).]

arte444 (kakagiraffe@gmail.com) MSG #103, 10-20-2003 11:15 PM
      I think it would be really nice and useful to add a backseat somehow. This gives me ideas that I don't know what to do with.



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #104, 10-21-2003 09:15 AM
     
Thanks Bubba. It's great working with you I am learning about Fiero's inside and out.
( This guy is an encyclopedia! )

L44_87GT, yup that's the nose that I bought from you.

thegreep (shawn.w.shira@gmail.com) MSG #105, 10-21-2003 09:41 AM
      When I started reading this post I thought "What kind of crackpot is this guy?" But I stand corrected, my hat is off to you. I'm surprised to find out I even kind of like the way the body lines are coming together.



DarkRain (bauert@telus.net) MSG #106, 10-21-2003 10:21 AM
      Did you have the space frame heat treated? The largest problem with extending a frame is 90% of the time, it's not street legal without major hassle, even here in Canada. You are not permitted to weld between the front and real axles, unless it is by a ticketed welder and it is supposed to be heat treated after, to maintain structural integrity. Another large problem is the fact that it also has to be perfectly straight (I've built a few frames for offroad rigs, and it's a pain), even a few millimeters off in one direction will cause it to fail inspection. Also, I believe since it's a space frame, that if you were to ever get in an accident from the side or at highspeed the extension would GREATLY reduce structure strength on the rear portion of the vehicle.

I still don't have a personal love for it, but, I love the progress and dedication and speed at which you are completing your project. I wish you luck with your safety inspection and the rest of the project.

I'm just waiting for someone to chime in and say I'm wrong... Read the traffic laws on modifying vehicles. The ticket for welding onto the frame anywhere between the axles is upward of $5000 in Alberta, because it causes a road hazard. Believe me, I've seen more than one guy get that ticket. Like I said, good luck.

8Ball (viriiguy@gmail.com) MSG #107, 10-21-2003 02:06 PM
      Maybe I missed it, but you are useing a Porsche transaxle, What motor????

Jim_Sprang (jim_sprang@hotmail.com) MSG #108, 10-21-2003 02:16 PM
      Most of the MVA do not, I say again not say that you can't weld to the frame. What the say is that you can not "Compromise" the structural integrity of the frame. When I moved to BC from Ont I had to have my car and truck inspected as I had modified both. V-8 in my fiero with sub-frame connectors and 88 suspension in an 86 chassis and v-8 and coil sprung straight axle dana 44 in my s-10 rock crawler. It was simple I took it to a frame shop they inspected the welds and changes, and passed it. As to making sure the additions are straight I would not be to concerned as it is pretty easy to straighten the carís frame (space frame) once he is complete. This can be done at any body shop that does major collision repairs. In BC and On he would also have the option of registering it as a Kit car or a Home built as well. Again only requiring a safety inspection to make it legal.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #109, 10-21-2003 06:07 PM
      to answer 8ball it a north star and for todays update just finished the side scoops to fill in the lower body here are the before and after pics



L44_87GT MSG #110, 10-21-2003 07:04 PM
      Hey bubbajoe do you have any idea what the bodyshop used on that front GT nose? it took hours just to strip that much off.Nice side scoops those look farmiliar too.Can you belive that minus the red preimer thats how race tech sells them? I paid almost $300 for those.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #111, 10-21-2003 07:18 PM
      I dont now what they used for paint on it but it still needs more of it stripped to get it right and the scoops yes they are expensive for the poor quality of the fiberglass work takes alot to get them on the car staight I have installed quite a few
and have had not one fit right I corected the falts when I modified them should fit nice now


Gordo MSG #112, 10-21-2003 07:34 PM
      Hey bubbajoe, can we see that green car under the tarp next to your project?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #113, 10-21-2003 07:47 PM
      Ya no problem GORDO


84 Fiero 4.9 V8 digital dash full gt package
86 vette hood scoop and much more

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-21-2003).]

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #114, 10-21-2003 08:30 PM
     
That green Fiero has a future in my driveway.
Built by Bubbajoe, it is one sweet ride!


Sootah (sootah@hotmail.com) MSG #115, 10-21-2003 11:02 PM
      So, what inspired the whole Fiero Wagon idea? What is the purpose of the back area?

Anyway, I'm impressed. It's certianly not my cup of tea, but I can totally respect the amount of work you've put into it. Plus the fact that your actually doing it, as opposed to just talking about it.

When do we get an update?? I like watching this come together.

Kudos.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #116, 10-21-2003 11:59 PM
      more comming tomorrow hope to have the new scoops installed

SLAMMED87GT (m3nacing@gmail.com) MSG #117, 10-22-2003 12:08 AM
      Dude, cool! It seems you are doing a great job on this conversion. Even if it's not somewhat practical or even serves a use, it looks cool!

Keep the pics a coming!



Devotshka MSG #118, 10-23-2003 10:57 AM
      bump

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #119, 10-23-2003 06:33 PM
      latest update scoops on the car and they fit perfect



should provide plenty of air for the side mounted rads



westtexas MSG #120, 10-23-2003 06:48 PM
      My interpretation of why Bubbajoe is doing all of the body/frame modifications: so he can use a Porsche 5-speed transmission.

True or False?

[This message has been edited by westtexas (edited 10-23-2003).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #121, 10-23-2003 07:01 PM
     
this also


yashmack MSG #122, 10-23-2003 07:46 PM
      that car is going to scream, cant wait to see it finished and see some 1/4 mile times. Lots of work here, something i NEVER would have thought to do

I do like the way you have stretched the fram, looks nicely done. Something I always thought about the fiero was that it wasnt quite long enough in the wheelbase, I bet its going to improve in handling a little as well

[This message has been edited by yashmack (edited 10-23-2003).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #123, 10-25-2003 08:57 PM
      engine starting to come together


Boricuasoy (powernaudio@gmail.com) MSG #124, 10-26-2003 08:26 AM
      looks like an indy car engine or something nice work.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #125, 10-26-2003 11:24 AM
      It's gonna be Wicked!

Smoooooth GT MSG #126, 10-26-2003 11:47 AM
      Any new body pic's..??

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #127, 10-26-2003 08:01 PM
      have you seen the scoop pics on page 3 smoooooth



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #128, 10-26-2003 09:55 PM
      hey bubbajoe, the engine in the green car carbed? and what size is it? rough estimate on how much that swap cost you to do? it looks good, re-vitalizing my intest in a caddy 4.x swap



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #129, 10-26-2003 09:56 PM
      double post

[This message has been edited by GTFiero1 (edited 10-26-2003).]

$Rich$ (rich@sio.midco.net) MSG #130, 10-27-2003 12:24 AM
      what color is the Green fiero? i like it alot



Borgio (jacob.ely@student.oc.edu) MSG #131, 10-27-2003 01:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

what color is the Green fiero? i like it alot

Green

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #132, 10-27-2003 09:36 AM
      GTFiero1
1994 4.9 and cost 1000 canadian to do myself


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #133, 10-27-2003 09:39 AM
      lushious lime a ppg concepts colour have the code but is $128. per quart



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #134, 10-27-2003 03:02 PM
      Any closer to figuring out how to turn the distributor? That motor looks so trick. Keep up the great work.

Roy

Devotshka MSG #135, 10-28-2003 10:11 AM
      ~~bump~~

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #136, 10-28-2003 03:20 PM
     
fuel system done except for the other stacks (on back order) time to go back to fiberglassing and the ichies while I wait for more parts



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #137, 10-28-2003 03:22 PM
      Roy

got that figured out already Just waiting for the parts then will show how to do it here



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #138, 10-28-2003 03:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Roy

got that figured out already Just waiting for the parts then will show how to do it here


Can't wait to see it. This thing is going to turn some heads. Old tech meets new tech... gotta love that!

Roy


Slater_334 (whooda@gmail.com) MSG #139, 10-28-2003 03:39 PM
      i still dont see the reason for the effort.
why add 12 inches unless you were gonna add it to the cab? I would rather have 12 more inches of storage than that, but thats me.

good luck on on your crazy ass project.



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #140, 10-28-2003 03:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Slater_334:

i still dont see the reason for the effort.

*cough*PorscheTransaxle*cough*


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #141, 10-28-2003 04:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:



Those throttle-levers-arms and carbs remind me of my miniature ancient steammachine toy! (which btw is in a box in the attick, I have bigger toys now!) Looks like a great "Mecano" job to hook up all the carbs. It's definately an original setup
What material did you use for the spacers between the carb's and the modded intake?


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #142, 10-28-2003 04:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:

*cough*PorscheTransaxle*cough*

Mama said: you put on a coat when you go outside....!

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #143, 10-28-2003 04:54 PM
      paint it black and put all the hearse trim on it and put some black lights in the back for show. the "haul ass hearse" is its new name



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #144, 10-28-2003 06:35 PM
      Slater_334

The extra 12" is to accommodate the engine/transaxle which will be mounted longitudinally. Stay tuned.

Slater_334 (whooda@gmail.com) MSG #145, 10-28-2003 06:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT:

*cough*PorscheTransaxle*cough*

why is it so special, im for real, not jokeing

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #146, 10-28-2003 08:34 PM
      phenolic spacers custom cut to isolate the carbs from engine heat



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #147, 10-29-2003 09:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Slater_334:

why is it so special, im for real, not jokeing

OK then... when putting massive amounts of power into a stock Fiero setup, transmissions are notorious for breaking under high HP/TQ stresses. On the other hand, the porsche transaxle setup (which is built longitudially - front to back) is a proven high power setup. So in order to accomodate this kind of installation (N* + Porsche Transaxle), the chassis (specifically the engine-bay) must be stretched to fit.

Does that make a bit more sense then?

L44_87GT MSG #148, 10-29-2003 10:43 AM
      Woulden't useing a caddie or tornado tranny work better? Those things car built to take gobs of torque.

Howard_Sacks (@hotmail.com) MSG #149, 10-29-2003 10:48 AM
      No.

 
quote
Originally posted by L44_87GT:

Woulden't useing a caddie or tornado tranny work better? Those things car built to take gobs of torque.



Stinkin_V8 MSG #150, 10-29-2003 11:03 AM
      Hey, BubbaJoe - you should install expanded metal inside that rear extension, just above the engine. You could use it as a portable barbeque!

Just jokin.. Cool concept, looks like it's coming together nicely. Keep up the good work.

MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #151, 10-29-2003 11:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Howard_Sacks:

No.

Agreed, but a reason might be warranted

...because the Caddy & Toronado trannies weigh a ton, and are all automatics! The Porsche is a 5 speed manual and is comparatively light.

Oh yeah, and 'cause no one has ever done it like this before

[This message has been edited by MinnGreenGT (edited 10-29-2003).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #152, 10-29-2003 11:20 AM
      MinnGreenGT

you got that right the porsche transaxle is only 65 lbs and the 425 is almost 220 and I dont want no auto its a sports car not grannies car driving an auto makes me feel ill

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #153, 10-30-2003 09:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
...
I dont want no auto its a sports car not grannies car ...


But it's a going to be a STATIONWAGON!

Kidding....


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #154, 11-01-2003 10:52 PM
      no a sports back

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #155, 11-09-2003 07:49 PM
      dist. system almost done will post pics very soon

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #156, 11-09-2003 08:34 PM
      You go bubbajoe you are the innovator,creator when it comes to taking bold steps in the Fiero world..



CoolBlue87GT (coolblue87gt@comcast.net) MSG #157, 11-09-2003 10:35 PM
      Nice project. Good luck with it.

When I saw the early pic's, I thought it was going to be a pickup, much like the VW pickup



Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #158, 11-10-2003 03:12 AM
      Just out of curiosity, why have you opted for a distributor over an electric ignition? This seems like a perfect place for something like the Megajolt Lite:
http://picasso.org/mjlj/index.jsp http://www.bgsoflex.com/mjl/mjl_edis.html

To each his own, of course. I'm all for high tech when it comes to engine management. I'd take injection over carburetion anyday! I'm on of those "kids" who thinks carburetors are too complex.

Bryce
88 GT


Boricuasoy (powernaudio@gmail.com) MSG #159, 11-10-2003 01:01 PM
      i love the strech on the fiero, the engine looks mean as hell, i dont know if youre still going to use the porsche trany i didnt read all the pages, but just a though the subaru wrx trany has a 6 speed manual and there is a kit to make the internals stronger the whole thing it probably cheaper than the porcshe oh and there is a kit to make it front wheel drive only that way you lose half the trany and the weight with it. some thing to look at.



Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@comcast.net) MSG #160, 11-10-2003 05:46 PM
      I never looked at the Fiero as a platform for a station wagon. I will reserve comment on the appearance but I will say that it's certainly an original idea.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #161, 11-10-2003 09:12 PM
     

fierogt3 MSG #162, 11-10-2003 09:18 PM
      ew

JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #163, 11-10-2003 10:01 PM
      Cool, I always liked the lines of the Vega wagon. That'd be a real sleeper with a warmed over Cosworth in it.

JazzMan

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #164, 11-10-2003 11:54 PM
      +I just have to be differant thats why I am using old teck on the setup Just to see if it can be done there a plenty of us out there who have no use for electronics and like to tune are cars the old fasion way with a screwdrive and a hand full of jets,also i am using the porsche tranaxle have not broken one yet

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #165, 11-12-2003 04:29 PM
      Page three? Nope <bump>.

Roy

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #166, 11-15-2003 08:49 PM
     


these are the latest pics of the body so far
engine dist pics will be posted on friday when the parts are back from the machine shop


crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #167, 11-15-2003 09:48 PM
      Man you work fast! Nice job!

Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #168, 11-15-2003 10:20 PM
      Bubba,

I think those rims are WAY WRONG!!!! for that car. Please remove then and box them up and ship them to:

Kento
Sunny Place
Orlando FL

Once recieved I will put them on a car that is better suited for that style rim.

Thank you for reading, I return you to your regularly scheduled thead.


Nice job so far Bubba.



Mach10 (sfogg@shaw.ca) MSG #169, 11-15-2003 10:50 PM
      OMG... Paint it before I throw up...

that's some NASTY peeling up front. Didn't your mamma ever tell you to wear sunscreen?!?


Other than that...

Wow.

Not my style... but... WOW...

Gordo MSG #170, 11-16-2003 01:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mach10:

that's some NASTY peeling up front.

Looks to me like one heck of a lot of sanding has been done to that nose.

Can't wait to see this all in one color (or at least in primer)!



malacite (marik_bathory@yahoo.com) MSG #171, 11-16-2003 01:56 AM
      i like it.
of course i like station wagons...they're like regular cars...only better.

looking at the general shape of it though... it looks kinda like my car...



Matthian (dorn2@earthlink.net) MSG #172, 11-16-2003 01:57 AM
      that looks like one badass fiero station wagon

i cant wait to see it with paint

HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #173, 11-16-2003 11:41 AM
      Bubba, do you have an update on your ignition system?



2.8-4spd (forreste01@hotmail.com) MSG #174, 11-16-2003 12:03 PM
      Looking good, GM called them Kammbacks not station wagons


Jake_Dragon MSG #175, 11-16-2003 03:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 2.8-4spd:

Looking good, GM called them Kammbacks not station wagons http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/kammbackred_1.JPG http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/typek.jpg

Those look like they would be nice to haul groceries home in, I think bubbajoexxx is going to be using his to haul ass in.



drummer5 (drummer5@twcny.rr.com) MSG #176, 11-16-2003 03:38 PM
      looks kinda like an ElCamino with a cap.

Nice work man!

Bradbitz11 (bitzerb@gmail.com) MSG #177, 11-16-2003 04:06 PM
     

LOL! I thought this said "Type R" on the Lic. Plate at first glance!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #178, 11-16-2003 04:15 PM
      HitesFiero
willost the pics on friday of the front mount dist setup


HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #179, 11-17-2003 08:57 AM
      Great!! I'm "VERY INTERESTED" in how you got that dist to work, so don't be stingy with the details! Nice work Joe.
Don.....



Sootah (sootah@hotmail.com) MSG #180, 11-18-2003 03:48 AM
      Bizzity-bump

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but seeing how it's coming together, I kinda like the way it looks. You've done an excellent job at keeping the lines of the car intact.

Progress?

CoolBlue87GT (coolblue87gt@comcast.net) MSG #181, 11-18-2003 08:22 AM
      A little photoshop

[This message has been edited by CoolBlue87GT (edited 11-18-2003).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #182, 11-18-2003 10:12 PM
      how about doing it in burnt orange I would like to see how it turns out

litespd MSG #183, 11-18-2003 11:58 PM
      Y'know...I hate to admit it...but I kinda like it...

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #184, 11-20-2003 03:21 PM
      Just a frendly bump to the top to get ready for Friday's update! GO Go Bubbajoe!


yashmack MSG #185, 11-20-2003 05:58 PM
      its definitely different, nothing extremely grotesque. I do like the concept, its alot of hard work as well and thats admirable. I cant wait to see it finished, I know I will like it, I already do, it just has to grow on yah a little bit



Bradbitz11 (bitzerb@gmail.com) MSG #186, 11-20-2003 06:21 PM
      Hard to get good color with all the different color body panels.



HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #187, 11-20-2003 11:00 PM
      I am really curios to see if Joe is going to be the one who really figured out how to make the N* swap wallet friendly.



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #188, 11-21-2003 09:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bradbitz11:


Looking at the lines of the car, I would:

- Make the side windows larger to make them better match the size of the front windows.
- Or paint on a fake black-out area around the window to match the size of the front window.
- Install louvers and paint them to match the rest of the car.
- lose the rear side windows and make it a "sedan delivery" style car. It would also leave room for some killer graphics. Imagine a side billboard "Bubba Joe's Go Fast Toys - Making Dreams come trus since 19XX". Cool!

Not flame'n, just commenting.

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #189, 11-21-2003 06:10 PM
      from the work done so far the ignition can be driven directly from the rear water pump pulley on the exhaust cam using the mallory gimlerbelt dist. have checked all the ratios and it will turn a V8 dist at the right speed and is inexpesive 289.00 to do and for fuel you can use carb or fuel injection

this is the dist to use

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 11-21-2003).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #190, 11-21-2003 06:25 PM
      the system I am using is done with a new timming cover out of billet aluminum with a rear gear drive to drive a custom dist. similer to the one here driven by the cam primmary spocket

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 11-21-2003).]

SLAMMED87GT (m3nacing@gmail.com) MSG #191, 11-21-2003 10:21 PM
      Bubba- Great job on the fabrication! It seems you are also a fast worker too.
That is one unique "Fiero Wagon" you got there!



tjfennel MSG #192, 11-21-2003 11:14 PM
      this project has only been going on for 2+ months and it's this far already?? dayum!! sweet mod! not my style, but it's nice to see some really radical designs flying around. looks great, bubba! keep it up, can't wait to see the finished product

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #193, 11-22-2003 07:08 PM
      with all the help from my freind bob and the wife things are going well want to have it done for the summer 2004

PBJ (pbjt@sympatico.ca) MSG #194, 11-22-2003 10:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

want to have it done for the summer 2004


But my question then is, will we actually see it out to a Toronto or Grand Bend cruise??

Pete



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #195, 11-23-2003 12:34 PM
      Pete, you may see the green fiero 4.9 since I have now bought it from Bubbajoe. Hopefully we can convince him to attend a cruise with his new project and you will see his fine mechanical and body craftsmanship.
The green fiero is awesome, built completely by Bubbajoe. His latest creation is very innovative and unique.

edit p.s. I would like to see Her86GT I have been following your mods. Nice work!

[This message has been edited by Bobert (edited 11-23-2003).]

Boricuasoy (powernaudio@gmail.com) MSG #196, 11-23-2003 02:13 PM
      how about this for that streetch body, just kidding got bord lol



nice job on tha fiero



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #197, 11-28-2003 08:45 PM
     
My new signature to go with my new Fiero.



Car Michael MSG #198, 11-29-2003 12:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CoolBlue87GT:

[This message has been edited by CoolBlue87GT (edited 11-18-2003).]





Cheever3000 MSG #199, 11-29-2003 12:21 AM
     
 
quote

I don't have time to work on that image, but you can see how, here in Texas, we would turn that into a smoker. Ought to be a dang good one, too, with a Fiero under it!




GTMike (shockerpu@aol.com) MSG #200, 11-29-2003 12:52 AM
      for all the bad posts. about i'm going to toss my cockis...

you are one hell of a fabracator sp. and heve a good imagination that car kicks but it a very cool...

DustoneGT MSG #201, 11-29-2003 12:59 AM
      That is starting to look a lot like a vega or monza wagon, just with a much cooler front nose on it.

that looks like a lot of effort going into the car. How does the 12 inch stretch affect handling and drivability?
Is this going to be a drag car?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #202, 12-01-2003 07:05 PM
     

here are some pics of the front gear drive dist for the northstar will be installing it this week end

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #203, 12-01-2003 10:12 PM
      make it go VROOOMMMMM!!!



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #204, 12-02-2003 07:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

here are some pics of the front gear drive dist for the northstar will be installing it this week end


Bubbajoe,

Did you make that sprocket or is it a modified cam sprocket?

Great work,
Roy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #205, 12-02-2003 08:40 AM
      that is a modified sprocket no need to make a new one



mckay_lee (mckay_lee11@hotmail.com) MSG #206, 12-04-2003 09:16 PM
      Bump

HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #207, 12-08-2003 12:04 PM
      Bump this sucker, any updates?



Sootah (sootah@hotmail.com) MSG #208, 12-13-2003 04:00 AM
      Bump

Gokart Mozart MSG #209, 12-13-2003 06:31 AM
      Bump

HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #210, 12-17-2003 06:08 PM
      Bump, and any updates?



Ottawa_86gt (eric.villeneuve@rogers.com) MSG #211, 12-17-2003 07:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gordo:

Fiero Minivan


AHHH! Gawd no! it's the Fiero/Civic! Nooooooooooooo!




Sootah (sootah@hotmail.com) MSG #212, 12-23-2003 07:10 AM
      C'mon nah, time for an update.

HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #213, 01-05-2004 01:53 PM
      Any news?

fieroturbo (fieroturbo@yahoo.com) MSG #214, 01-05-2004 02:18 PM
      I didn't bother reading pages 2-5, cause I'm lazy, tired, and exhausted. So if someone mentioned this, I'm sorry.

If you're going to stretch the frame by 12", why not do a longitudal engine conversion? You know, instead of the engine going sideways, have it go front to back. You could get a Porsche transaxle (AND MOTOR!!!), and work from there. Held motor sports has a cradle to mount those, maybe you could get that and modify it.

Just a thought.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #215, 01-05-2004 03:45 PM
      complete pics of the new ignition system tomorrow night ib bad shape right now
bad back so have to slow down for a while Joe


HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #216, 01-05-2004 04:03 PM
     
 
quote
If you're going to stretch the frame by 12", why not do a longitudal engine conversion?

He is, he's using a Porshe transaxle.



HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #217, 01-05-2004 04:06 PM
     
 
quote
bad back so have to slow down for a while Joe

Understood, no project is worth doing if you have to kill yourself in the process! I assume your working in a heated garage?


HitesFiero (hitesfiero@yahoo.com) MSG #218, 01-14-2004 04:41 PM
      Hows your back?



Howard_Sacks (@hotmail.com) MSG #219, 01-14-2004 04:56 PM
      You ever try Tai Chi Joe?

Seriously.

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

bad back so have to slow down for a while Joe



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #220, 01-18-2004 06:42 PM
      been in ruff shape since Xmas have done little work on the body but have finished the ignition plat and now working on the trans adapter but slow no heated garage for me have to bear the cold and snow will try to get some pics as soon as I can stand long enough Joe

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #221, 01-18-2004 07:35 PM
      Get better soon Joe wish you the best.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #222, 01-19-2004 10:10 PM
      Master Tuner Akimoto Thank you I hope so I want to get back to the build free of aganizing pain

Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #223, 01-20-2004 01:05 AM
      Wow. Haven't checked this for a while.
Take care, Joe. People who have never had back pain just don't understand how bad it can hurt.

Hopefully, you'll get better soon.
Cool project! Nice work!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #224, 01-24-2004 10:30 PM
      as you can see here have started to make up the trans adaptor
out of 3/4 6061-T6 aluminum


in this pic you can see where the stock fiero slave has been mounted to actuate the porsche clutch arm finish trimming of the adaptor will be completed when all the nessesary components are mounted
space is a premmium with the water pump so some minor trimming was requiered
Bob and I spent the last 2 days getting this far work is slow but I will be getting there soon

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 01-24-2004).]

STRATOHACKER (stratohacker@aol.com) MSG #225, 01-24-2004 10:56 PM
      Awesome !!!! What a unique car you are building and it should go like stink

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #226, 01-24-2004 10:58 PM
      Are you trying to drag the project out like me..??? hahaha

Looking GREAT Joe!



PURPLE REIGN (mp112fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #227, 01-24-2004 11:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotAFieroAnyLonger:

Are you trying to drag the project out like me..??? hahaha

Looking GREAT Joe!

uh huh..........and what's your excuse smooth ?

Fierobsessed (nstarfiero@aol.com) MSG #228, 01-25-2004 04:43 AM
      OMFG. That looks to be one of the most interesting Motor Transmission setups for a Fiero yet. Will be very interesting to see it go.

jstricker (jstricke@rwisp.com) MSG #229, 01-25-2004 04:58 PM
      Joe,

Maybe this isn't your point, but I don't see that you're going to be saving a lot of money with the new ignition front mounted. The distributor is going to be about +/- $300, you need to fab the gear to the intermediate sprocket, billet timing cover, (the one pictured is $160 from CHRFab), mod that for the distributor, then you have to address the fuel delivery.

If you want to go carb, the only carb intake I know of is from CHRFab and that's $525, then you have to by a carb for another $200. I don't know what the machining cost of the components would be (for someone to have it hired done) but I know that $250 doesn't go very far for precision work like this. That makes the total cost around $1435.

You can buy the Holley Commander system, Plug and Play, from CHRFab for $1,495.

I certainly understand if you're doing this just because it's fun and you want to, more power to you, but I saw a couple of posts talking about this being an economical alternative and I don't see it being one (not to mention I can't imagine the distributor front mounted fitting in a transverse installation anyway, but it could be made to run off the WP drive possible).

John Stricker


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #230, 01-25-2004 07:49 PM
      jstricker

as you can see here is the front drive dist cost for every thing $400 can.

as for the fuel system i made my own manifold

and set it up with DELLORTOS

thats one carb per cylinder as dellortos are 2carbs with a common float bowl
as each carb has its own settings for each barrel cost $400.can

CHFAB these parts would cost me (manifold 650 US thats 990 can. ignition HPV! 600 thats 940.can.
by the time I get them so I have saved plenty
and to use Design ! Nstar setup thats 3000+ no thanks

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 11-13-2006).]

Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #231, 01-25-2004 09:48 PM
      Even if there were cheaper routes, I still think that four carb setup would be worth it. It looks SWEET! I'm not much of a fan of carburetion, but no self-respecting gearhead can't show appreciation for that much complexity.

Bryce
88 GT


jstricker (jstricke@rwisp.com) MSG #232, 01-26-2004 12:41 AM
      Joe,

I hope you didn't take my comments wrong. I certainly understand why you did it the way you are. First off, you have the capability and the tools to do the machine work, and there's a busload of it in the quality work you've done. Second, you're not daunted by having to fabricate things. Believe me, I know where you're coming from. I was told that I couldn't use the late model Northstar Throttle Body on the early, magnesium intake manifold, but I have it done and ready to go.

My point was that for OTHER, more human (as opposed to superhuman ) hobbiests, it wouldn't figure out to be very cost effective, I don't think.

Whatever *I* think about it's cost effectiveness, you're doing some beautiful work and it's going to be a unique transplant (not to mention the rest of the car). I'm enjoying the thread immensely.

John Stricker
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

jstricker

as you can see here is the front drive dist cost for every thing $400 can.

as for the fuel system i made my own manifold

and set it up with DELLORTOS

thats one carb per cylinder as dellortos are 2carbs with a common float bowl
as each carb has its own settings for each barrel cost $400.can

CHFAB these parts would cost me (manifold 650 US thats 990 can. ignition HPV! 600 thats 940.can.
by the time I get them so I have saved plenty
and to use Design ! Nstar setup thats 3000+ no thanks

[This message has been edited by jstricker (edited 01-26-2004).]

virii01 (tonyw@bigred.unl.edu) MSG #233, 01-30-2004 05:38 PM
      ...looks around the room....
....wait for it..
....wait for it...


BUMP


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #234, 02-05-2004 09:06 PM
      NEWEST PICS SO FAR


ENGINE AND TRANS CONNECTED





meximan (fverances@earthlink.net) MSG #235, 02-05-2004 09:34 PM
      I would try it without the quarter window.

Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #236, 02-05-2004 09:50 PM
      Wow that is cool
That tranny looks small, and the bell housing makes it look like the flywheel is micro sized.
I like it so far.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #237, 02-16-2004 06:36 PM
      just finished the shifter fore the porsche trans axle will post pics tomorrow night .
Have more to do tomorrow will have all the pivcs taken then so you will have a recient update


fierodustin_86 (d.damrill@mchsi.com) MSG #238, 02-16-2004 10:19 PM
      Just a little curious and I dont know if anyone else has asked or if I'm just ignorant, but does engine turn the right way for the trans? Will it all work? I actually have NO idea and would just like to know for furture reference.
dd



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #239, 02-16-2004 10:22 PM
      the trans I am using is mid engine and has the diff allready flipped , rear engine porsche 911 need to have the diff flipped over

fierodustin_86 (d.damrill@mchsi.com) MSG #240, 02-16-2004 10:40 PM
      thanks joe

fastbackboy MSG #241, 02-16-2004 11:21 PM
      just a question i always wondered about goin longitudinal wat do u do about the shifter cables this is the only thing buggin me id like to know its just buggin me like the fiero bug witch is very good



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #242, 02-18-2004 12:11 PM
      Im using the stock cables and shifter will post the pics of the setup later today

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #243, 02-18-2004 01:44 PM
      here are the shifter setup pics hope they help you out


[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 02-18-2004).]

fieroman87 (fieroman87@juno.com) MSG #244, 02-18-2004 04:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

here are the shiter setup pics hope they help you out

read that again there Bubba



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #245, 02-18-2004 04:34 PM
      oops we all have them bad days

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 02-18-2004).]

fastbackboy MSG #246, 02-18-2004 04:48 PM
      thankx bubba i had always wondered how folks hooked a porsha tranny up now i know so wen i get the money ill have the idea how to do it +for ya



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #247, 02-22-2004 07:23 PM
      started making the headers. they seem to be coming alone fine as you can see

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 02-22-2004).]

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #248, 02-23-2004 10:25 AM
      Too good of a project to be off of page one!

Bubba, could you post pictures of the distributer installation? I see the pieces and the wires but can't picture how the distributer is mounted.

Thanks,
Roy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #249, 02-24-2004 11:17 PM
     

started to build the exhaust piping for the engine all 3" to 5 inch supertraps at the exit .where it will come out is where the rear plate used to be



Fierobsessed (nstarfiero@aol.com) MSG #250, 02-24-2004 11:24 PM
      OMFG. Have I said that yet?


Edited to say, actually I did on page 6.

[This message has been edited by Fierobsessed (edited 02-24-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #251, 02-24-2004 11:35 PM
      got to get some free flow from them pipes

Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #252, 02-25-2004 10:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

That is a rather unique and short oil cooler!!! How well does it work????



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #253, 02-25-2004 10:05 AM
      that hose is there only to keep the dirt out a full flow oil cooler will be installed will post a pic later

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #254, 02-25-2004 10:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

I see it will even shoot billiard balls!



fastbackboy MSG #255, 02-25-2004 10:24 AM
      wat are u using for flyweel and clutch bubba im just wonderin very nice work doh projects coming along real nice



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #256, 02-25-2004 01:34 PM
      Fie Ro

they are nessesary to keep dirt out while the filters are off

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #257, 02-25-2004 01:36 PM
      fastbackboy

225mm porsche kevlar clutch and flywheel and pressure plate

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #258, 02-25-2004 01:38 PM
      Kento

here are the shots of the oil cooler

it has 3/4 inlet and outlet


Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #259, 02-25-2004 02:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Kento

here are the shots of the oil cooler

it has 3/4 inlet and outlet

WOW!!! I though my 11" x 11" x 1" for my 4.9 install was oversized!!!

fastbackboy MSG #260, 02-25-2004 02:41 PM
      thankx bubba aso u have to get the flyweel pluged and redrilled is this correct
thats goin to be a true sleeper dude in a civic thinkin he'll pull that off i bet he'll be in for a kik a$$ suprise
i can just imaginbe how strong thats goin to be



Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #261, 02-25-2004 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fastbackboy:

thankx bubba aso u have to get the flyweel pluged and redrilled is this correct
thats goin to be a true sleeper dude in a civic thinkin he'll pull that off i bet he'll be in for a kik a$$ suprise
i can just imaginbe how strong thats goin to be


Are you ever going to start using punctucation!? (rhetorical question)

But back on topic, keep us updated.

[This message has been edited by Unsafe At Any Speed (edited 02-25-2004).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #262, 02-25-2004 04:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Fie Ro

they are nessesary to keep dirt out while the filters are off

I figured that! I was just joking/bumping.



crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #263, 02-25-2004 07:27 PM
      That is a LARGE header, and oil cooler.

Did you do anything to the internals of the engine Joe or is it stock? That thing could use some wild cams.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #264, 02-25-2004 07:38 PM
     
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....
I WANT.... I WANT....


Nevermind...


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #265, 02-25-2004 09:30 PM
      I try to use 3" pipe on all of my cars as room permits cant always get it in there.

crzyone
I want to get CHRFAB,s cams if money is OK.

By the way here is how far I am on the exhaust so far.

excuse the smoke I just finished welding some pieces
and the shop is only 10X10 not very big

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 02-25-2004).]

red85gt (redfiero85@gmail.com) MSG #266, 02-26-2004 01:35 AM
      I love it! dam I thought the smoke was from the motor firring up



CaddyRob (coldskies@cogeco.ca) MSG #267, 02-26-2004 10:09 AM
      Hey Bubba,

where do you get all your Tubing from? Do you order it up from the states or do you have a canadian supplier?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #268, 02-26-2004 10:23 AM
      CaddyRob

good old canadian tire store they have all kinds of suppliers for exhaust parts

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #269, 02-27-2004 10:32 PM
      exhaust almost done just 1 supertrrap left to finish here are some shots

trapps are 5" in diamiter

the 3 inch tubing ia flush welded so there are no restrictions in the flow



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #270, 02-28-2004 07:57 AM
      FANTASTIC!

m0sh_man (macantley@suddenlink.net) MSG #271, 02-28-2004 08:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

exhaust almost done just 1 supertrrap left to finish here are some shots

Where does a person buy traps at?

matthew

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #272, 02-28-2004 03:54 PM
      Summit Racing parts here is the link http://www.summitracing.com/

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #273, 03-12-2004 07:04 PM
      newest parts to be added Large 12 inch brakes from an 85 Corvette and its is the easest brake swap any one can do if you have a drill press


these pieces are all you need to do the swap 2 consentric rings for the rotors to keep them centered
and 2 1X4.5x2.5 piece of 7/8 inch mild steel for the coliper adapter




Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #274, 03-12-2004 07:32 PM
      Bubba you let the cat out of the bag for all those having 12" brakes and never wanted to share it with any one else + for you .

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #275, 03-12-2004 07:37 PM
      Master Tuner Akimoto

the setup is so easy to do its shamefull

will post all the dimentions hopefuly tomorrow then every one can make the change withoput paying 1700. to do it



Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #276, 03-12-2004 07:40 PM
     

Doug Chase MSG #277, 03-13-2004 03:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

newest parts to be added Large 12 inch brakes from an 85 Corvette and its is the easest brake swap any one can do if you have a drill press

Will these fit with the stock 15" wheels? I'm guessing no...




Jncomutt (jncomutt@hotmail.com) MSG #278, 03-13-2004 03:50 PM
      I believe you need at least 16" wheels

Formula88 MSG #279, 03-13-2004 03:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doug Chase:


Will these fit with the stock 15" wheels? I'm guessing no...


No way. I'm sure it requires 16" wheels minimum, and I wouldn't be surprised if it required 17".

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #280, 03-13-2004 07:00 PM
      16 and up only 15's are a no go the 16 inch wheels clear by 3/4 of an inch on inside diam.

crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #281, 03-13-2004 07:09 PM
      Joe, you get a big + from me, that is awesome. Thanks for the info on the brake swap!

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #282, 03-13-2004 08:06 PM
      Joe PM sent .

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #283, 03-13-2004 09:14 PM
      here are some of the sizes I will post the rest tomorrow

consentic rings front outside diam. 2.785 inside diam. 2.240
" " rear outside diam.2.785 inside diam. 2.255

drill spindels to 7/16

tap drill size 13/32 for use with the 12mm 1.75 x 30mm long cap screws

block diamentions 1"x 2.5' x 4.5' long 7/8" thick nothing less or the adapters are no good and caliper brackets will rub this uses no washers to line things up

bolt spacing tomorrow



I Annoy (iannoy@rogers.com) MSG #284, 03-13-2004 09:30 PM
      Joe, will this work on any year Fiero or is it just for 88's?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #285, 03-13-2004 09:43 PM
      this is for 84 to 87 only 88 not included

I Annoy (iannoy@rogers.com) MSG #286, 03-13-2004 09:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

this is for 84 to 87 only 88 not included

Joe you have a PM

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #287, 03-14-2004 05:30 PM
      Bunp Don't want to loose this one. Bubba, do you have a write up for this?



Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #288, 03-15-2004 07:22 PM
      bump from page 3

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #289, 03-15-2004 07:39 PM
      Bub, you've got a bunch of e-mails at you @sprint account.

Thanx

Steve

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #290, 03-15-2004 07:42 PM
      where I just checked none My email is bubbajoexx@sprint.ca

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #291, 03-16-2004 09:48 PM
      Here you go boys the diamentions I promissed for the brake adapter

for a larger view use this link
http://groups.msn.com/FieroCaddySwapGroup/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=5396&all_topics=0

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-16-2004).]

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #292, 03-16-2004 10:21 PM
      Thank you sir! You wouldn't happen to have a drawing like that for the spacer would you ? If I could give you another + I would!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #293, 03-16-2004 10:48 PM
      if you mean the consentric ring I wil lpost one found it

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shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #294, 03-16-2004 10:59 PM
      Thanks for the info on the brake swap. A+ for you!! One dumb question though. Those are corvette calipers, right? What years?
Thanks,
Kris



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #295, 03-16-2004 11:06 PM
      85 to 87 corvette and vette caliper mounts same years
extra large versions are avalable at this link
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id213.htm

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-16-2004).]

mattm (matt_m@dejazzd.com) MSG #296, 03-16-2004 11:10 PM
      I am going to try this with my 86. Can i use the stock master cylinder and proportioning valve? If not, where should i source the new ones.

Thanks, Matt

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #297, 03-16-2004 11:15 PM
      if you update the master use the 72 to 80 Vette master plenty of volume and it is made for 4 wheel disk dont use the s10 you are gaining nothing as it is the same bore as a Fiero and is for drum rear disk front not a good combo

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #298, 03-17-2004 12:08 AM
      What about a master cylinder from a newer 4WD S-10. They have 4 wheel disc brakes. I would like to use one that has the plastic resivoir on it so the vehicle will look newer. I've also heard you can use one from a newer Tahoe. You need an adjustable proportioning valve though.

Kris

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #299, 03-17-2004 12:19 AM
      as i posted before the vette is the best the new cars are anti lock and rely on the system pump to make up the extra fluid so I would not use them they are also low volume

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #300, 03-17-2004 07:16 AM
      Thank you that was just what I was looking for. Thanks for the link to your site it answered a few more questions I had.

hellfish87gt (dave.lobban@ec.gc.ca) MSG #301, 03-17-2004 12:34 PM
      well my to do list just got a little longer thanks


jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #302, 03-17-2004 01:28 PM
      Thanks for the info. I've been trying to figure out how to improve my brakes, looks like I'm gonna go this way!

Any more pictures of the car? Or have you spent the majority of your time on drivetain recently? Looking forward to the finished product.

Jay
'87 Fiero SE V6 5sp
Still all stock, with many many upgrades in the planning stages.


tesmith66 MSG #303, 03-17-2004 01:53 PM
      I'm assuming you have to turn the Fiero rotor down to make a hub like the Grand Am conversion?



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #304, 03-17-2004 02:49 PM
      +



Mighty Mouse (troyandjen@sbcglobal.net) MSG #305, 03-17-2004 04:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

16 and up only 15's are a no go the 16 inch wheels clear by 3/4 of an inch on inside diam.

I'm not saying I don't beleive you, but it there is 3/4" of clearence to the inside od a 16" rim, a 15" rim is only 1/2" closer (clearence is on the radius not the diameter) doesn't that still leave a 1/4"? Or is the problem with 15s less in the diameter clearence and more in the inside face of the wheel? Yes, I realize I'm grasping here, but I want to keep my 15s for autocrossing so I don't have to by yet another set of rims, and this is definitely a sweet brake upgrade. + for you even if they don't fit inside the stock 15s

Thanks,
Troy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #306, 03-17-2004 07:15 PM
      no the inside diamiter of the 15 inch wheel will rub the caliper it is much smaller than the 16 it is where tha taper startsthat will rub

mattm (matt_m@dejazzd.com) MSG #307, 03-17-2004 07:17 PM
      OK, i am definately going to ry this. One more question: what do i do about the hubs? Do i cut down the stock ones?

Thank you, Matt

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #308, 03-17-2004 07:19 PM
      yup you can cut the rotor off with a mini grinder if you have an old spindle to mount it to

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #309, 03-18-2004 10:32 PM
      hoping for nice weather tomorrow and will take step by step photos as I replace the spindle and brakes on the pass. side of the project car so you can see how easy it is .

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #310, 03-18-2004 10:36 PM
      I set the bakes up on a preped spindle and swap the new spindle for the old one
easer to set up off the car when you have te spare parts (ie) cleaning and drilling of the bolt holes

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-18-2004).]

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #311, 03-19-2004 01:27 AM
      bubbajoexxx, are the adaptors the same for front and back? Are you useing a e-break design for the rears on your car? since you did not say I was currious

crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #312, 03-19-2004 02:27 AM
      Thanks Joe! I would really appreciate step by step instructions with pictures, if I could give you more ++ I would.

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #313, 03-19-2004 07:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by crzyone:

Thanks Joe! I would really appreciate step by step instructions with pictures, if I could give you more ++ I would.

Yeah! I agree this would be a dandy idea!



PURPLE REIGN (mp112fiero@hotmail.com) MSG #314, 03-19-2004 09:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mattm:

OK, i am definately going to ry this. One more question: what do i do about the hubs? Do i cut down the stock ones?

Thank you, Matt

Or you find someone like myself who makes those hubs for $60 a pair

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #315, 03-19-2004 10:20 AM
      OH10fiero
the rear will be done as a multi caliper setup with a small mecanical rear caliper unless I can find a set of 95 to 2000 rear vette calipers as the rear upright must have the old brake setup completely remved and a new adapter that mounts under the wheel bearing installed to hold every thing will post pics of every aspect of the rear vette swap including the diagrams with diamentions


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #316, 03-19-2004 10:25 AM
      PURPLE REIGN
thats is a more than resonableprice to cut rotors down I would recomend you +


OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #317, 03-19-2004 05:05 PM
      Second question since I forgot to ask last post. On the concentric ring, did you fabricate that as well, or are you just useing something similar to a washer for this?
Looks more like you would have to make that ring than just find something like that happend to be in your tool box.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #318, 03-19-2004 05:19 PM
      crzyone

the step by step is now being uploaded to my site I will also post it here with much smaller pics to save space lots of pics
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id214.htm this is the link


crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #319, 03-19-2004 05:28 PM
      Thanks Joe!

I have a question. What exactly is a cut down rotor? Is it a stock fiero rotor with the braking surface cut off and just the hub left? This is then placed inside the corvette rotor and new bolt holes must be drilled in the rotor for the fiero boltpattern? I think I just answered my own questions. Great pictures, where did you buy your rotors and calipers from?

Thanks Again

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #320, 03-19-2004 05:28 PM
      OH10fiero
had them made $25.00for 4 2 front 2 rear as they are differant sizes


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #321, 03-19-2004 05:55 PM
      Installation

Start buy undoing the brake hose be sure to pinch it off with Vise Grips
to keep from letting all the fuid from running out into your work area

remove the rotor and then remove the old caliper bracket using a 19mm socket and rachet and remove the backing plate

the area I'm pointing to must be smoothed and leveled using a grinder or heavy file. This is to make a surface for the adapter
to bolt to and drill out the old holes to 12mm (17/32) as the old threads are no longer used

This is a comparison of the two setups the stock on the bottom and the Vette on top
the rotors are 88 and the calipers and brakets are 84 to 87


part1


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #322, 03-19-2004 06:02 PM
     
This is how the finished spindle should look after drilling and leveling out and a little cleaning

install the cut hub and new rotor then bolt the adaptor to the brake bracket as seen above using 12mmX1.75 cap screws

with the adapter and bracket together slip the pieces over the rotor in the fashion
displayed in the above 3 pic and the rotate it into the bolting position


partn 3

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smokinjoefission (fiero@smokinjoefission.com) MSG #323, 03-19-2004 06:09 PM
      Bubba, that is awesome! A + for you, more if I could.

Two questions: The 'vette rotors: do they come with the same bolt pattern as the Fiero, or do those need to be drilled? I see that they seem to have an extra set of 5 holes in the rotor.

Other than cutting off the Fiero rotor itself, does it need to be machined like other brake conversions?

Thanks for taking the time to share this brake upgrade!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #324, 03-19-2004 06:10 PM
     
and bolt it up with the same 12mmX1.75 cap screws then install the pads as you normaly would

Now bleed the front brakes install the wheel and your done
note the clearance on the 16" inch wheels
DONE




The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #325, 03-19-2004 06:11 PM
      What about the lower shock mount... i remember reading that the PBR caliper will have clearence problems with the shock under full turn of the wheel

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #326, 03-19-2004 06:13 PM
      smokinjoefission

once you cut off the old rotor knock out the studs put on the consentric ring onto the rotor then place it into the vette rotor and drill the new bolt patern between
the original holes easy to do


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #327, 03-19-2004 06:14 PM
      The Aura
this is an Australian Girlling caliper not PBR used on the Corvette

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-19-2004).]

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #328, 03-19-2004 08:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

if you update the master use the 72 to 80 Vette master plenty of volume and it is made for 4 wheel disk dont use the s10 you are gaining nothing as it is the same bore as a Fiero and is for drum rear disk front not a good combo


I have a question about the master cylinder years. I found a couple on ebay 72-80 is the older style cast units. Is this the one you are talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467930659&category=33566

Or something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468178509&category=33566


OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #329, 03-19-2004 08:42 PM
      Bubbajoexxx, was there a reason you went with the stock Fiero bolt pattern, since you went this far why not stick with the Vett bolt pattern for a wider veriety of rim choices?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #330, 03-19-2004 11:09 PM
      set themup like this to show everone how it is done Have new hubs comming with the 5X43/4 bolt circle for the project

DotTC MSG #331, 03-19-2004 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OH10fiero:

Bubbajoexxx, was there a reason you went with the stock Fiero bolt pattern, since you went this far why not stick with the Vett bolt pattern for a wider veriety of rim choices?

There are lots of variety in rims in 5x100..



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #332, 03-20-2004 08:13 PM
      part numbers for the rotors
Front 55011
rear 55012
88 corvette
calipers 84 to 87 C4 corvettte
Girlling calipers

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-20-2004).]

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #333, 03-22-2004 08:27 AM
      Still not clear on how the consentric ring comes into play here, do you have a picture as to how you are useing it?

fierohobby MSG #334, 03-22-2004 10:01 AM
      OH10 -

Take a closer look at the 3 pix showing the installation of the Vette caliper bracket. The ring is there, between the Fiero hub and the Vette rotor. Apparently acts as a "spacer".

fh

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #335, 03-22-2004 10:49 AM
      The concentric ring is what goes into the center hole of the rotor and make up the space to keep the wheel from running in a out of round pattern.

Mighty Mouse (troyandjen@sbcglobal.net) MSG #336, 03-22-2004 12:08 PM
      Bubbajoe,

Great pictures of the install. I do have 3 questions for you.

1) Do you have any pics of the rear? Or is this just a front brake upgrade? I saw you mentioned the rear a couple of times.

2) What is the ID on the rims you are using?

3) What's going on with the N* install? More pics of that too please

Thanks,
Troy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #337, 03-23-2004 12:07 AM
     
if you look close you will see the consentric ring between the rotor and the hub without it you can not center the rotor
rim inside diamiter is 15 11/16 " then tapers down to 15 at the face
working on the rear just waiting for the caliper brackets to come in it will only require a bracket simmilar to the front to attach the caliper and a bracket bolted to the stut attaching bolts for the mecanical ebrake caliper everthing is linning up great will be easy to do once I get the rest of the parts


Fastback 86 MSG #338, 03-23-2004 12:48 AM
      bubbajoe - Awesome brake mod. I love it, and hope I can do it when I take care of my engine and get money again. I am very curious, though, about the braking performance. Have you taken it out on the road and put the brake through thier paces? I've read many times here on the forum that the stock Fiero MC isn't strong enough to push bigger rotors effectivly and can cause serious braking problems when you do swaps of this kind. What are your impressions so far?

jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #339, 03-24-2004 11:43 AM
      bubbajoe, once you get the rear brackets working, any thoughts on selling at least the brackets and adapters (rings, relocation blocks, rear brackets) as a kit? I'm sure I could find a place to have the ring and brackets made with what you've already shown us, but I'm too lazy to look.

Thanks for putting out all this great information, I think this is the way I'm going for my brake upgrade.

Jay

'87 Fiero SE V6 5sp
'94 Ducati M900
'01 Toyota S-Runner


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #340, 03-26-2004 07:58 PM
      for those who want to see the corvair hubs installed on the fiero spindles us this link
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id215.htm
this will alow you to use large wheel bearings to teplace the tiny ones on the fiero and to use the 5 X 4 3/4 bolt circle

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 03-26-2004).]

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #341, 03-26-2004 08:08 PM
      Are you planning on selling any of these parts? I have no Idea if I would be able to get them made locally. Could you post a part number for the master cylinder you recommend? Thanks again for the great info.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #342, 03-26-2004 10:10 PM
      67 to 80 vette thats it they only use the one

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #343, 03-27-2004 11:23 AM
      Bump

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #344, 04-01-2004 03:26 PM
      Any progress on the rear breaks yet?
oh and.................bump!


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #345, 04-01-2004 03:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OH10fiero:

Any progress on the rear breaks yet?
oh and.................bump!

BREAKS!!! I wanna hear the MOTOR!




OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #346, 04-02-2004 12:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfixit58:


BREAKS!!! I wanna hear the MOTOR!

Go to a Caddy dealership and have them start one for you he he, sorry Roy could not resist.

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #347, 04-02-2004 09:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OH10fiero:


Go to a Caddy dealership and have them start one for you he he, sorry Roy could not resist.

Bubba's N* ain't yo daddy's Caddy.

I'm betting it sounds like a Ferrari.

Come one Bubba... give us a sample!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #348, 04-05-2004 07:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OH10fiero:

Any progress on the rear breaks yet?
oh and.................bump!

done pics comming tonight Joe

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #349, 04-05-2004 08:21 PM
      and here they are

here is the simple bracket needed to install the caliper. If you use the 88 to 96 rear caliper it has the Ebrake on it and will save you time and money so you wont have to buy the manual ebrake caliper that I did

This is the extra bracket needed if you use the 84 to 87 caliper
This bracket is not needed with these calipers

this is the 2 brackets used with the 84 to 87 caliper the 88 to 96 dose not require the rear caliper bracket

this is all you install for the 88 up caliper

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 04-05-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #350, 04-05-2004 08:43 PM
     

this is the hurst airheart caliper Im using for my ebarke as I didnot have the 88 to 96 calipers so I used my 84 to 87 calipers alot more work this way but i will upgrade to the 88 later

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CaddyRob (coldskies@cogeco.ca) MSG #351, 04-05-2004 09:43 PM
      Looks nice! now back to the Awe inspiring engine swap! I wanna see that Northstar all installed and working!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #352, 04-06-2004 01:04 AM
      if weather holds out in the next few days it will be in the car



OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #353, 04-06-2004 01:30 AM
      Thanks Bubbajoexxx, anyway you can post the CADD drawing of that bracket?
Hey Roy, I knew we would all get a look at the break set up first , having said that, now I am ready for that sound clip of a carbed N*
Bet it sounds sweet. Love to see the look on the first person that spent more than $40.000.00 thinking they bought a sports car off a dealer lot, only to get smoked by Bubbjoesxxx wild looking ride. That would be worth paying money to see.


bamman (barrymc@win.eastlink.ca) MSG #354, 04-07-2004 02:42 AM
      Thank you bubbajoe for posting the brake up-grade here. I saw it first on your site but found out more info from the questions that were asked here. It was your site that help me put in the 4.5 and so on. Lots of people keep this info to them selfs but you take time to post it twice, here and on your site. Thanks.
I


shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #355, 04-07-2004 03:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

part numbers for the rotors
Front 55011
rear 55012
88 corvette
calipers 84 to 87 C4 corvettte
Girlling calipers

Just a few more questions:
What exactly is a Girlling Caliper? I've never heard of a Girlling. Do you have measurements for the rear brackets??

Thanks Bubbajoe + for you!!

Kris



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #356, 04-09-2004 11:20 PM
      Girlling is an english company that has made disk brakes longer than any other company and because the vette brakes are made in austrailia thats what Gm used on the 84 to 96 vettes till they changed over to PBR



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #357, 04-09-2004 11:30 PM
      shop_rat45 will draw them out tomorrow the rear diagrams for the adapter

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 04-09-2004).]

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #358, 04-14-2004 08:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

shop_rat45 will draw them out tomorrow the rear diagrams for the adapter

Thanks

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #359, 04-19-2004 09:39 AM
      Any updates yet?

crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #360, 04-20-2004 12:08 AM
      Hey Joe! Great work! Do you have the cad drawings for the rears yet? I'd like to send this to the local machine shop asap

Thanks alot Joe!

riley MSG #361, 04-21-2004 07:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by crzyone:

Hey Joe! Great work! Do you have the cad drawings for the rears yet? I'd like to send this to the local machine shop asap

Thanks alot Joe!

Me Too

(added) The first page that I own and it is used for a "Me Too" quote. Ah well i still own the page.

[This message has been edited by riley (edited 04-21-2004).]

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #362, 04-21-2004 07:40 PM
      Bubbajoe?? You alive? We're dying for some updates.

Kris



Francis T (rspiderii@aol.com) MSG #363, 04-22-2004 12:28 AM
      Looks like a ride for the girl on 6 feet under. I like custom cars too, but the body-hauler look just escapes me. So, the idea here is, to take sleak looking (kinda sleak anyway) sports car and turn it into a body-hauler, and the point is? Oh wait, I think I get it, you want it to look like the meanest, fastest hearse ever!

Frugal328 (qmean@cox.net) MSG #364, 04-22-2004 01:33 AM
      How about this. A mass produced MR-Bucket Wagoon.


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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #365, 04-25-2004 04:38 PM
      wife had an accedent with her car so been fixin up another for her to drive will get back to the car tuesday

jaygt MSG #366, 04-25-2004 09:11 PM
      hi bubba im jay in toronto. i tow for caa and abrams. i have an 88 fiero. i have a set of 86 vette rear calipers and rotors. i have a set of 90 l1e iroc front calipers. what year vette rotors do i use for my 88? same rotors front and back? do i use the same cutom bracket as the 87 fiero? dont care about the emergency brake. do you live in toronto? do you have i guy i can go to to make the brackets and centric rings? my number is 905 838 5072. you can check out my car stuff at my websight.

http://community.webshots.com/user/redcivicblackhood

Exotic Rida (bigbankg@aol.com) MSG #367, 04-26-2004 09:47 PM
      bump im doing this on the weekend

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #368, 04-29-2004 11:36 AM
      jaygt

Ya live here in TO come by and see the stretch call me at 647 899 4690 and I will give you the address and you use 88 rotors the part numbers are on the peviouse page for the front and rear rotors

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 07-06-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #369, 04-29-2004 11:38 AM
      will post pics of the finished engine compartment tonight all done in dimond plate and will drop the engine in monday

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #370, 04-29-2004 07:16 PM
      here are some pics of the engine compartment finished in diamond plate




Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #371, 04-29-2004 08:07 PM
     
Hey Bubba that looks awesome! Nice work.


Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #372, 04-29-2004 08:23 PM
      That looks so good. I wish you where gonna make a stretched fast back though!

You have talent.

Boondawg (akboondawg@comcast.net) MSG #373, 04-29-2004 09:48 PM
      I have always thought of doing things different.What has always stopped me is other people telling me it was impossable or dumb or impractable or ugly.I have ALWAYS let that stop me.
After reading every one of these posts on this project, I realize what a complete waste of a life its been NOT doing things my way. Such a pity.
Thanks for the awakening.
Great Project!


pavo_roddy MSG #374, 04-29-2004 11:40 PM
      Hi,

KILLER WORK!! I just love these build up threads, always chalked full of great material....You must tell us all how she drives with stretch when completed...

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #375, 04-30-2004 04:21 AM
      Bubba,
This project is coming along very nicely. I'd give you another + if I could. Got a few more questions on the brakes. The front rotors for an 88 Corvette are a "Hat" style rotor (no wheel bearings in the rotor) correct? For them to fit, you have to cut the disc area off the old Fiero rotors. Do you have a picture of these cut? Also do you or anyone else know of a good place to get the caliper brackets, or have a GM part # for them?

Thanks,
Kris



OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #376, 04-30-2004 08:55 AM
      hey Bubbajoe, anychance you could post the CADD drawings for the rear brackets?
I kinda like your idea of two calipers, replaceing the E-break set up with a caliper seems like a better way to go, I hate the GM style that fails so easily on the Fiero.


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #377, 04-30-2004 12:24 PM
      We need to find someone on the forum who is willing to make these brackets (front and rear) for us. I have some of the parts to preform the swap but hae no way to get the brackets and such made.

ezramore MSG #378, 04-30-2004 05:43 PM
      Are you going to add weight to the front. I was thinking with the rads, engine, trans, ect.... that it might make it difficult for stearing. also it will also turn a lot wider than original. love the idea though.



shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #379, 05-01-2004 03:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierofreak00:

We need to find someone on the forum who is willing to make these brackets (front and rear) for us. I have some of the parts to preform the swap but hae no way to get the brackets and such made.

Well, if it's OK with Bubba, I'm sure my brother would be more than happy to make them. He has a full machine shop and all the skills. I don't want to step on Bubba's toes though. I'll have to price the steel, and find out what he would charge. If anyone is interested, LMK. (Not trying to hijack your thread)

Kris

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #380, 05-01-2004 08:49 AM
      SWEEEET!

Can't wait to hear it's running.

Roy

jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #381, 05-04-2004 06:13 PM
      Shop_rat, if bubbajoe is ok with it, I'm definitely up for a set. Front and rear brackets, and the ring for the front brakes. I'm going to start looking around for new disks and calipers, so that'll be all I need. Unless someone wants to do the leg work to get everything sourced to sell the whole kit.

Jay
'87 Silver SE V6 5sp
'94 Ducati M900
'01 Toyota S-Runner


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #382, 05-04-2004 07:32 PM
      Here you go guy's the latest update hope you like it








bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #383, 05-04-2004 07:37 PM
     



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #384, 05-04-2004 07:46 PM
      OMG.... beautiful! Did I miss something? I thought this was gonna have a distributer setup.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #385, 05-04-2004 08:27 PM
      picked up a hpv1 for cheep 100 bucks so why not use it

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #386, 05-04-2004 08:41 PM
      Looks good to me!

IMO with a set-up like that, its a shame it's going to be covered by top or roof. Something like that needs to be shown!



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #387, 05-04-2004 08:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

picked up a hpv1 for cheep 100 bucks so why not use it


WOW! It looks even better in car. But, excuse my ignorance but, what is a "hpi1"? Have you fired the motor, yet?

Roy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #388, 05-04-2004 09:11 PM
      HPV1 is a stand alone ignition system using a crank trigger and 4 dual coils and its own micro processor

Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #389, 05-04-2004 09:29 PM
      Simply Awesome, Bubba!! I'd love to see it in person.

Shoprat, I would also be interested if there's no problem.

boristheblade MSG #390, 05-04-2004 09:31 PM
      Beautiful! I agree with madcurl here though, that is a work of art, it deserves to be shown, not covered up.
You hope we like it? Youre kidding, right? We love it!


Oneredfiero (trevor@fieroclub.ca) MSG #391, 05-04-2004 11:53 PM
      So do we get to see it first hand in Calgary Aug 1st? Hope so, i can't wait till it's done.



jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #392, 05-05-2004 03:33 PM
      OMG!! I want one! That looks awesome!

How soon until you fire it up?

Jay
'87 Silver SE V6 5sp
'94 Ducati M900
'01 Toyota S-Runner


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #393, 05-05-2004 04:21 PM
      OMG! You keep surprising us! You've got some magic hands

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #394, 05-05-2004 04:32 PM
      Btw: how are you feeding fresh air to the carburators?

- I can almost imagine an transparant (see through!) plexiglass airduct from a roof scoop sloping down to the carburators... - oh well anything can happen I guess keep up the good work!

Spyhunter (kim@designisadditive.com) MSG #395, 05-05-2004 05:44 PM
      In the words of 'Karl' fom Adult Swim - "That looks friggin awesome!"



pavo_roddy MSG #396, 05-05-2004 07:56 PM
      Hi all,

TOTALLY agrees with spyhunter........On another note, bout how much wieght does that plating add do you think????




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #397, 05-05-2004 10:21 PM
      its runnin fired her up today if I get my laptop workin I will post a sound clip its sounds nasty

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #398, 05-05-2004 10:24 PM
      pavo_roddy
about 4 lbs its aluminum 16 gauge diamond plate


pavo_roddy MSG #399, 05-05-2004 10:35 PM
      hey bubba<------forest gump call!!!!

Sorry i just couldn't resist....lol.......is that per plate, those 4lbs?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #400, 05-05-2004 10:44 PM
      no for all

pavo_roddy MSG #401, 05-05-2004 10:48 PM
      Hi,

Sorry to do this to ya but...spensive?? and that's one schwwweeet #

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #402, 05-05-2004 11:59 PM
      I was there when Bubba fired her up and let me tell you this thing is just unbelievable!!!

edit: spelling

[This message has been edited by Bobert (edited 05-06-2004).]

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #403, 05-06-2004 01:12 AM
      Bubba, you have a PM.

Kris

BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #404, 05-06-2004 05:17 AM
      Hey Bubba, you should bring it over to Square One this weekend... http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/039998.html Probably wishful thinking, but still...

Brad

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #405, 05-07-2004 12:07 AM
      I have the OK from Bubba to have the brake brackets made and to sell them. I will get w/ my brother this weekend, and get some made. They shouldn't be too expensive. I will only charge for materials, and a bit to make it worth his time. As Bubba requested, I won't try to get rich from them. I will post once more here with the link to the mall thread. Bubbajoe, I need the drawings for the rear brackets if you have them.

Thanks,
Kris


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #406, 05-07-2004 01:10 AM
      will take off a rear bracket tomorrow and redraw it for you OK

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #407, 05-07-2004 04:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

will take off a rear bracket tomorrow and redraw it for you OK

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm sure everyone else following this project does too.

Kris

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #408, 05-09-2004 02:53 AM
      will be slow major computer brake down still trying to get everything up and running

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #409, 05-10-2004 08:38 PM
      check out the sound clip here of the northstar carbed use the link below



http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id220.htm
its at the bottom of the page


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #410, 05-10-2004 08:52 PM
      Sounds awesome!

jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #411, 05-14-2004 06:03 PM
      bump bump


shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #412, 05-16-2004 06:22 PM
      Did you hit a BUMP in the road with the rear caliper mount and ring drawings?

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #413, 05-17-2004 08:50 AM
      Sounds LOUD! You're going to have problems sneeking up on anyone . I would love to hear the motor winding up to about 7,000 RPM. Please, post a sound bite when get one of those.

Congratulation,
Roy


shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #414, 05-18-2004 08:24 PM
      AAAAHHHH! It's another BUMP!!! Stupid potholes!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #415, 05-18-2004 11:13 PM
      shop_rat45
almost done getting all the stuff back into my computer just have to reinstall auto cad to make up the drawing


shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #416, 05-19-2004 09:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

shop_rat45
almost done getting all the stuff back into my computer just have to reinstall auto cad to make up the drawing

Thanks a lot. We all appreciate it.

Kris

pavo_roddy MSG #417, 05-25-2004 09:21 PM
      Hi all,

Hey bubba how did you know where to place any new bracing attatchments???

Coinage (ldwrestling80@comcast.net) MSG #418, 05-25-2004 10:16 PM
      any update on the brackets?

destroy MSG #419, 05-25-2004 11:38 PM
     
 
quote




Uh this is the most disgusting fiero rebody ever. ;/

pavo_roddy MSG #420, 05-25-2004 11:59 PM
      Hi all,

Yahhhh she's an aquired taste.....But, kinda also grows on yuh.....

OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #421, 05-26-2004 01:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

shop_rat45
almost done getting all the stuff back into my computer just have to reinstall auto cad to make up the drawing

When you do get them ready could you post there here like you did the front brackets?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #422, 05-29-2004 10:12 PM
      here you go rear bracket drawings

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 07-06-2004).]

sluppy123 MSG #423, 05-30-2004 12:55 AM
      I'm currently doing this swap on a 87 GT using 86 front calipers and 88-96 rear calipers. I'm curious how you managed to get a 88vette rotor to fit on the rear without using a spacer behind the rotor? I had to make a integrated spacer/consentric that moved the rotor .170" away from the bearing.


Without the spacer the rotor will hit the areas circled in yellow below-



Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #424, 05-30-2004 06:22 AM
      Brian are you going to make these kits for front and rear?

[This message has been edited by Master Tuner Akimoto (edited 05-30-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #425, 05-30-2004 03:04 PM
      if you use 88 rear rotors as per the part numbers I posted they do not need a spacer at all they do not hit any where as the rear rottors are shorter in the hat area

sluppy123
from your pics you are using front rotors on the rear. You should be using rears and your adapter would be only 5/16 thick rear rotors have 2 extra holes in them near the outer edge for ebrake ajustment when used with internal brum ebrake as in the pic provided

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 05-30-2004).]

sluppy123 MSG #426, 05-30-2004 09:07 PM
      I now understand why i needed a spacer, I chose to use front rotors on all four corners.

Regardless if it's a front or rear vette rotor the thickness of the adapter does not matter.

Also a note to anyone using the 88+ rear calipers, I don't see any way of using the stock e-brake cables, they are too short. I'm having to make custom cables.

[This message has been edited by sluppy123 (edited 05-31-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #427, 05-30-2004 11:12 PM
      the caliper bracket you see on my rotor is an 88 bracket and it is the same one you use to hold your caliper on as the 84 to 87 brackets are nolonger avalable from gm you have to use the 88 one on the rear

USFiero MSG #428, 05-31-2004 01:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by destroy:


Uh this is the most disgusting fiero rebody ever. ;/


You know, this is one body kit that could use the spare GT lower front valance cut off and flipped over to make a bigger air dam up front. It would balance out the front to back wedge look.
I noticed the GT side skirts are missing.

[This message has been edited by USFiero (edited 05-31-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #429, 05-31-2004 04:28 PM
      in this pic you can see I have stretched all of the areo and trim parts but the rocker cover still looking fo spair pieces to make them up



jayguy (jayguy4@comcast.net) MSG #430, 06-10-2004 01:04 PM
      BUMP

Any more news on a possible kit for the Corvette brake upgrade?

Jay
'87 Silver SE V6 5sp


Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #431, 06-10-2004 01:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

in this pic you can see I have stretched all of the areo and trim parts but the rocker cover still looking fo spair pieces to make them up

BUBBA!!! What Rims are those, I love'm!!!



Dragon1 (brian1@vampirethemasquerade.com) MSG #432, 06-11-2004 01:13 PM
      Sluppy, is it possible to rotate the caliper by moving the caliper mounting holes so the cables reach???

Dragon1/Brian


OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #433, 06-17-2004 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


Bump, and one question.
where do you put the 132 degree angel at? not 100% clear on that part, thanks.


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #434, 06-17-2004 04:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by OH10fiero:


Bump, and one question.
where do you put the 132 degree angel at? not 100% clear on that part, thanks.


I think he means for you to do is to camfer the inside edge on one side so it will fit snuggly againts the flange. If you look at your flange, you'll notice that the transition between the hub and the flange is rounded. If you don't camfer the ring it won't fit flush.

Roy


BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #435, 06-17-2004 06:27 PM
     

I think the fastback clip would make the stretch less noticable. Have you given any thought to that Bubba? I dont like the wagon look but, to each his own. BTW awsome work on that swap... reminds me of the Binford Fiero I saw at Carlisle.

Steven



Coinage (ldwrestling80@comcast.net) MSG #436, 06-17-2004 07:13 PM
      any news on the brackets?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #437, 06-17-2004 08:07 PM
      BV MotorSports

if I had the parts I would try it

roys88fiero (musclemachinegt@aol.com) MSG #438, 06-17-2004 09:07 PM
      Wow! that thang is crazzyy
 
quote
Originally posted by Spyhunter:
In the words of 'Karl' fom Adult Swim - "That looks friggin awesome!"

Yupp what he said!!



GTFiero1 (fierogt5speed@aol.com) MSG #439, 06-17-2004 09:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

check out the sound clip here of the northstar carbed use the link below



http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id220.htm
its at the bottom of the page

maybe im retarded but i dont see any sound clip link

BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #440, 06-17-2004 10:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GTFiero1:

maybe im retarded but i dont see any sound clip link

Its on the bottom of Page 4. If you can make it to the bottom... it took me a couple minutes to make it past those engine pictures. Sweet.....

Brad

Dragon1 (brian1@vampirethemasquerade.com) MSG #441, 06-19-2004 09:17 AM
      What diameter do you turn the Fiero hubs to for clearance after parting off the rotor portion for the ''88 vette front rotors. I am working on my hubs while I'm waiting for my ebay rotors. Got a whole set of rotors, turned and painted for $22.50 plus shipping...

Dragon1/Brian

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #442, 06-21-2004 01:04 PM
      just cut the rotor off and thats it no need to resize



Dragon1 (brian1@vampirethemasquerade.com) MSG #443, 06-21-2004 01:13 PM
      Thank you very much, how about the studs, do I need longer wheel studs.I wouldn't think so. The front studs are the same length as the rear studs and the rears have a hub with a separate rotor just like we are modifying thr front to do.

Dragon1/Brian

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #444, 06-21-2004 01:58 PM
      you need the front studs from a 1995 grand am gt thet are the right length



Dragon1 (brian1@vampirethemasquerade.com) MSG #445, 06-21-2004 03:07 PM
      Searched on Auto Zone and Parts America, they both show that Fiero and Grand Am studs are the same part number.

Dragon1/Brian

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #446, 06-21-2004 05:42 PM
      get them from GM they are 20mm longer to acomidate the removable rotor and have wheel nut pilots at the end

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #447, 06-21-2004 05:45 PM
      now have the tach setup to work with V8,s and the speedo to read MPH instead of KLM from 140KLM to 140MPH one good thing with canadian speedo,s the KLM are in white so when converted to MPH the white numbers dont need to be changed here is a pic


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #448, 06-28-2004 11:47 AM
      latest update on body. Started to smooth out the hatch and blend it into the body here are some pics





rmphoto MSG #449, 06-28-2004 02:33 PM
      ... i dont know what to say.

nice body work though, i didnt think that would look very good at all. but it seems to have worked ok.

this thing will be interesting when all painted up.



riley MSG #450, 06-28-2004 05:51 PM
      howd you get the tach to work with the V8?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #451, 06-28-2004 06:11 PM
      used the info on the net then put together a 60 hz square wave generator then installed a 1 meg trimmer and set the the trimmer so the tach would read 900 rpm as it should with the V8 I will convert anyones tach if they need it done just pay the shipping and send me your old tach

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #452, 06-28-2004 06:39 PM
     
Or you could buy an instrument cluster with the tach converted for V8 operation and the speedo converted to 140 mph for $50 USD + shipping. There are two available at this time, first come first served. If interested let me or Bubba know.



crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #453, 06-28-2004 06:53 PM
      Hey Joe, how easy would it be to convert a Canadian 190km/h speedo to a 190mph? That would be cool. Looks like you will need another dash mounted tach that can show you 6500-7000rpm for that beast.

pavo_roddy MSG #454, 06-29-2004 02:24 AM
      Hi all,

Lookin great bubba......

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #455, 06-29-2004 05:30 PM
      crzyone
what is the speedo for


crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #456, 07-08-2004 10:08 PM
      Spedo would be for my 3.4dohc fiero project. It'll definitly wrap the stock 120mph spedometer.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #457, 07-08-2004 10:15 PM
      pull your speedo out and tell me what the crystal frequency is all yopu have to do is change the crystal to the new size but need to know what the old one is first

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #458, 07-09-2004 02:19 PM
      I also need to change the crystal but I dont even now how it looks like! I have white gauges with 240MPH equal to the stock 120MPH position. I want a crystal that converts 120MPH to 240KMPH. 1: 1.243. Everything is in KM here. how does the crystal look like?

Hey Joe what color will it be painted?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #459, 07-09-2004 06:23 PM
     

looks like this

Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #460, 07-10-2004 11:49 AM
     

How do you have the dizzy and coil pack wired together?



P.O.L. Mafia (michael.tullock@ccworks.net) MSG #461, 07-10-2004 11:58 AM
      I have but one thing i can do..................

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #462, 07-10-2004 04:55 PM
      fo you guy's who have the firebird dash here is what I did to the emty air bag hole

and now you dont



stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #463, 07-10-2004 07:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

fo you guy's who have the firebird dash here is what I did to the emty air bag hole

and now you dont

Mmm - Lookin' good

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #464, 07-12-2004 01:11 AM
      started the install here are some pics




riley MSG #465, 07-12-2004 02:24 AM
      that is absolutely amazing!!!!!!!!!


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #466, 07-12-2004 10:48 AM
      what kinda hp are you expecting from that motor w/ it being carbed??? 350-400???

[This message has been edited by TaurusThug (edited 11-04-2004).]

ToonTownfiero MSG #467, 07-12-2004 12:37 PM
      Keep up the ausome work. Looks good to me.



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #468, 07-12-2004 01:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

started the install here are some pics

That's the same place I put mine. Looks great.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #469, 07-17-2004 05:46 PM
      latest update on dash it is installed and wired now have to put column back in




jscott1 MSG #470, 07-17-2004 06:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

latest update on dash it is installed and wired now have to put column back in

That is sweet!! I've been looking forward to seeing this ever since I heard that BubbajoeXXX bought a firebird dash. I didn't realize this car had an Indy interior. Now I know what my indy would look like if I ever decide to put a firebird dash in it.

I also like the DVD in the airbag area. My dash had an unblown airbag and I can't bring myself to cut open that area. I imagine that I will eventually, so thank's for the idea. But I would still need the screen in the console because mine doubles as the CD player and I need the screen to be able to operate it.



pavo_roddy MSG #471, 07-17-2004 07:07 PM
      Hi all,

Comin along greaat bubba.....

Coinage (ldwrestling80@comcast.net) MSG #472, 07-17-2004 07:43 PM
      dang...you work fast!

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #473, 07-18-2004 12:00 AM
      Your car looks awesome. The engine is so cool and now a dash to match. WOW
I like the hatch you built, but thought I'd see what it would look like with large sail panels.
Not sure if I like it any better, what do you think?



3.8 SC MSG #474, 07-18-2004 12:17 PM
      I have a question here, regarding the brake conversion. Did you upgrade the brake master cylinder when doing this swap? I know the pistons in those calipers are much bigger than the Fieros and they are going to need more fluid. Which will make the brake pedal feel soft and maybe go to the floor. What brake master cylinder was used in this conversion?

BTW, Great work and write up on your project! I can see that engine swap had to take alot of creative thinking to get it to work.

Don

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #475, 07-18-2004 12:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Your car looks awesome. thought I'd see what it would look like with large sail panels.
what do you think?

Are you kidding ? That looks great !

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #476, 07-18-2004 10:47 PM
      3.8 SC

I use the Vette master from the 75 to 80 vette plenty of fluid and made for disk brakes


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #477, 07-25-2004 07:35 AM
      Just finished revising the intake to better suit the N* high rpm output by increasing runner length on the intake using 356 Porsche intakes on home made adapters .
To see the pics click the link
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id222.htm

pip not working right now will try to post the pics later
workin again





Racer_JT (thomasjesse70@gmail.com) MSG #478, 07-25-2004 10:20 PM
      Any updates on someone making the parts for the brake upgrade? I'm in line!!!

Racer_JT (thomasjesse70@gmail.com) MSG #479, 07-27-2004 07:52 AM
      First let me say Awesome work. Can't wait to the finished product!!!!!!!!!

A brake question......Will everything from an 88 Vette work.....All four rotors, calipers and brackets? Anything else I need to know when picking up these parts. Trying to get a junk yard package together.

Thanks and an A+
Jesse



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #480, 07-27-2004 04:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
Just finished revising the intake to better suit the N* high rpm output by increasing runner length on the intake using 356 Porsche intakes on home made adapters .

Looks like the intakes really match the headers ! And you can almost look into the engine and see how it works!
Whats next? its wicked.
What about transparent valvecovers or a sealed heatresistant minicam and strobe light in the oilpan to monitor your crank on your dash screen?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #481, 07-27-2004 07:17 PM
      Racer_JT

Yes

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #482, 07-29-2004 09:38 PM
      latest on dash upgrade trim redone to match dash, head liner to go in ,sound and dvd left






Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #483, 07-29-2004 09:51 PM
      Awesome! I would like to see it in person someday!

twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #484, 08-02-2004 04:20 AM
      O.K. You have my attention. Quick dont lose it. I have managed to drive my wife even more insane by playing the clip of N* running again and again. What about more ear candy?
I'm running the sound clip right now let me BUMP the volume up a little (gotta love this surround sound)
Brad


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #485, 08-03-2004 07:04 PM
      latest on finished interior rear wall my novel way to do it

by the way here is what you see looking out the rear window with the new intakes

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 08-03-2004).]

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #486, 08-03-2004 07:12 PM
      Now ain't that pretty. When do you think you'll be finished? How many HP?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #487, 08-03-2004 07:27 PM
      hopefully in another month mainly body work left all the mechanicals are done finally

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #488, 08-03-2004 07:43 PM
      should be just above the 400 mark

Boricuasoy (powernaudio@gmail.com) MSG #489, 08-03-2004 08:38 PM
      i have a 56k connection but it feels even slower ,so i didnt read all the 13 pages,
by the way this car rules! good job guys! not too fond of the hatchback, but still cool.
now since im looking to do the same stretch on my car my self i was wondering:

whats the cost of the stretch in parts and total?
how did you cut the chassis part and cradel? like where exactly did you cut! what tools?
how did you manage to keep every thing aligned? technic and tools plz.
what type of welder did you use?
what type of steel did you use? for the cradel: for the chassis part:
how strong is the chassis after this mod? will it take the bitting of road course racing?
do you think you over stretch it ?
whats the best way to mesure how much to cut?
too many questions? ok ill stop
i know what you all might be thinking, if i dont know half the answers all ready, pay some one else to do it, well,cant do that,my fiero is my toy and im the only one allowed to play with it. lol.
feel free to send me to look for answers elsewhere!
but since you all ready know how to do it i figure ill ask you.
thanks for any help you have for me before hand, if anyone else knows the answer to this questions or know where i can get some more info plz, feel free to ad your own knowled,
later



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #490, 08-03-2004 10:11 PM
      sawall grinder and a good mig and 60 dollars in material to keep evrery thing staight measure more than once and use a good level floor and good jack stands and dont move it once you start mild steel is all you need 3/16 thick and be sure to cross brace . go here to see it done

http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id211.htm

Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #491, 08-04-2004 09:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

should be just above the 400 mark


I think that's a bit optimistic unless you've ported the heads and reground the cams...



Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #492, 08-04-2004 09:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


Bubba,

Ya think it's a good idea to have the battery so close to the exhaust? A good heat shield would be a good idea.

Just a thought

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #493, 08-04-2004 04:33 PM
      valve springs and cams from chfab will net the hp the heads dont need porting as the intake ports are the size of tenis balls on the 2002 heads .
This engine is rated at 300 stock with 11:1 compression ratio


Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #494, 08-05-2004 10:15 PM
      If you've got cams, that'll help a lot.

The intakes ar huge (300+ CFM ported), but the exhausts barely flow half that...



3.8 SC MSG #495, 08-06-2004 09:40 AM
      I went to your website to read some more about your Fiero. Wow, you have a lot of other things going on there as well. I tried to E-mail you, but I kept getting an invalid E-mail address message.
I am really interested in your brakes and hubs upgrades. I was wanting to know what year the Pontiac 6000 uprights and S-10 hubs are from?
Also what bearing seal did you use? Were any mods done to get the two parts to fit together?

Keep up the good work,
Don


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #496, 08-06-2004 12:57 PM
      3.8 SC
will check the email address may still be the old one will change it


Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #497, 08-06-2004 01:02 PM
      Bubba. Sweet work man. It I cant beleiv how far along you are. I remember the first post.

I havent read every post but, has this beast bean started with that top end on it?

I still wish it wasnt a wagon and an extended fast back instead. But that' why it' yours.

KEEP IT UP.

[This message has been edited by Black-Azz-GT (edited 08-06-2004).]

twofatguys (brad@wheatoncomputer.com) MSG #498, 08-08-2004 05:18 AM
      Hey bubbajoexxx I sent you a pm. Also giving you a + when I am able to ( Seems like longer than 30 days on here, and you can see how many posts).
Thank You,
Brad
P.S. You ever need someone to take that engine off of your hands, I can help


Gordo MSG #499, 08-08-2004 08:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

OMG!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #500, 09-02-2004 06:27 PM
      Installing the dual rads this weekend will post pics as soon as they are done

atwrksbrthr (jpierson@tirecenters.com) MSG #501, 09-02-2004 07:02 PM
      BubbaJoe. I found your website some time back, and have been watching your progress, and all I can say is WOW! And your website is very informative, I thank you for the time you have spent on it, with all the deatils and the such! I will soon be starting in on the 4.X swap, and going carb'd also on my 84 SE. Can I buy a carb adapter from you? Please PM me or reply with price if available, thank you!



sonic50 (scottdiphone@yahoo.com) MSG #502, 09-02-2004 11:02 PM
      well I saw this post along time ago and I can not belive you did it. It looks better then in that first pics. good job man.

Are you doing it by your self?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #503, 09-03-2004 10:08 PM
      sonic50

My freind bob Has helped with the construction when he can .
alot of the main pieces all done by me alone as well as all of the adapters
alot of work when my back is all srewed up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #504, 09-05-2004 03:55 PM
      thanks to Bobert and Jim the rads are almost complete here are some pics




as ypou can see in the pics the rad air outlets are cut into the front of the wheel wells



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #505, 09-10-2004 07:53 PM
     

here are the pics of the finished cooling system dual rads
in series dual fans and hiden from site




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #506, 09-11-2004 05:28 PM
      I need your hounest opinion on this setup for the rear



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #507, 09-11-2004 05:36 PM
      I personally like it without the hatch-wagon type of rear. The enlongated rear decklid makes it look better. I would say get rid of the luggage rack, and either go slick, or with a spoiler. Maybe someone can photoshop it

[This message has been edited by topcat (edited 09-11-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #508, 09-11-2004 05:45 PM
      rack will be removed so I can put the stock wing back on

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #509, 09-11-2004 07:10 PM
      To be honest, I never liked the hatch. It just doesn't look like it belongs. I like the elongated decklid best. If you want to take some pictures with the decklid on and get the whole car in it, I'll photoshop some stuff.

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #510, 09-11-2004 09:47 PM
      what if you did a super long fastback??? im with the anti hatch people too.. but if you did just the decklid dont put a spoiler or anything... just leave it slick.



Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #511, 09-11-2004 09:50 PM
      Either elongated notchie or build a stretched fastback clip for it. I don't like the hatch look either.



Jake_Dragon MSG #512, 09-11-2004 10:03 PM
      That would look killer with a Diablo kit on it
I like the deck lid over the other cover you have.


Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #513, 09-11-2004 10:30 PM
     
I like the decklid as well and yes a Diablo rebody would look incredible with this setup.
Bubbajoe has also toyed with the idea of an elongated fastback as well. Stay tuned, you never know what he will come up with.


Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #514, 09-12-2004 01:52 AM
      I like the looks of that better than the hatch/wagon look quite a bit. Lose the luggage rack and hinges, throw some paint at it, and you're in business.

Bryce
88 GT


Street&Strip Performance (streetandstrip@rogers.com) MSG #515, 09-12-2004 02:39 AM
      I thought the hatch was kind of cool, once it's done Dodge should redo the Magnum commericial and have this thing against the Magnum, then we'll see who's faster.

MilleniumFiero MSG #516, 09-13-2004 03:52 AM
      i think you should keep the 2M4 on the back



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #517, 09-13-2004 02:22 PM
      doublec4
here are the pics you asked for




Formula88 MSG #518, 09-13-2004 03:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

I need your hounest opinion on this setup for the rear

I like it much better than the wagon. Looks a little weird, but you're gonna have that with the stretched wheelbase. It looks pretty good. You could possibly stretch out the said panels a bit, but I like it just the way it is.

atwrksbrthr (jpierson@tirecenters.com) MSG #519, 09-13-2004 04:11 PM
      As far as this project goes, you have got to show off that engine!
Though stretch another wheel base and make a 4 seater Fiero using your "wagon" lid while still using a 6cyl. That would be really cool!



Doug Chase MSG #520, 09-13-2004 04:26 PM
      I'm going to go agaist the grain here and say that I think I like the wagon look better.

The stretched rear with the big flat decklid looks strange to me. I think the wagon hatch fits the proportions a little better. Do you have any pictures with the wagon hatch on similar to the ones you just posted above?



p8ntman442 (spaldingj@wit.edu) MSG #521, 09-13-2004 04:36 PM
      At kick hill there are parts from a kit that went on an 84, it was an extended fastback style. The back was there a month ago, you may want to give them a call, it was a big yellow thing, maybee bob can send you some pics of it for ideas, or maybee he would sell it to you. I think an extended fastback style would look alot better than a notchback style, and alot better than the hatchback thing. The project is awesome, now it just needs to look as awesome from the side.



rmphoto MSG #522, 09-13-2004 04:50 PM
      glad you got rid of the wagon thing.
it still looks very strange tho. it looks like the car is backwards, or can be driven either way... i think a fastback would be the only way to go in this case...


Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #523, 09-13-2004 04:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

From the side it looks sort of like an El Camino. I like it. Call it an El Fiero and be done with it!


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #524, 09-13-2004 06:54 PM
      First of all: I think you should show off your engine! I think it already looks much more smooth with the notchie look...but it needs some glass or plexiglass rear to show the engine...Since you're thinking outside the box anyway; what about a reversed toppiece and trimmed windshield and windows?

You could open the rear sunroof for ram-air to the carbs!
And maybe for some inspiration; A PS of a transparant hatch and custom back on an unstretched GT:
I squeezed your engine in the PS so it looks topic related


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #525, 09-13-2004 07:06 PM
      Doug Chase
go back a few pages there are hatch picks there
[URL=http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/stretch_page_5_001.jpg]

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-13-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #526, 09-13-2004 07:12 PM
      the lower pic gives me some ideas

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-13-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #527, 09-13-2004 07:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

First of all: I think you should show off your engine! I think it already looks much more smooth with the notchie look...but it needs some glass or plexiglass rear to show the engine...Since you're thinking outside the box anyway; what about a reversed toppiece and trimmed windshield and windows?

You could open the rear sunroof for ram-air to the carbs!
And maybe for some inspiration; A PS of a transparant hatch and custom back on an unstretched GT:
I squeezed your engine in the PS so it looks topic related


the lower pic gives me some ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #528, 09-13-2004 08:07 PM
     
You guys have started something going, I can hear the gears turning and smell the smoke burning ! ! !

There will be a lot of fiberglassing going on at BubbaJoe's soon !

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #529, 09-13-2004 08:57 PM
      I really like that bottom pic also. Good job Fie ro. Get to work Bubba!!! Lets see it done.

Kris

Doug Chase MSG #530, 09-14-2004 03:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Doug Chase
go back a few pages there are hatch picks there
[URL=http://images.fieroforum.com/pffimages/stretch_page_5_001.jpg]

I'm sticking with my wagon vote, especially since you have windows in the side so the engine is visible.


Doug

Kohburn MSG #531, 09-14-2004 03:29 PM
      can i vote for shifting the bumper forward?

the visual effect would be that the only change was the rear wheels moving back rather than the whole car stretching..

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #532, 09-14-2004 04:08 PM
      To be honest... With only the decklid, the side-view looks like a mini truck. What was that thing called?!?! the Plymouth Arrow? Personally, I would put the wagon top back on it and blank out the side windows (They look too small anyway) and go with a delivery truck look. You could always add a plexiglass roof lid to the top it to show off the motor. As low as these cars are, it would be easy to look down into the engine compartment. With solid flat sides, you could add custom art-work to advertize your buisness and then write the whole thing off as a business expense (if Canadian laws allow ).

Roy

Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #533, 09-14-2004 05:14 PM
     
 
quote


Build this with a wide body and it will look Ohhh sooo badass!



Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #534, 09-14-2004 05:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfixit58:

To be honest... With only the decklid, the side-view looks like a mini truck. What was that thing called?!?! the Plymouth Arrow? Roy

I too Saw the old DODGE Rampage! the little mini pickup made from a Dodge Omni




Jake_Dragon MSG #535, 09-14-2004 05:54 PM
      Do you really need a trunk?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #536, 09-15-2004 12:49 AM
      cant shorten the rear behind the wheels as the mufflers are there and the trans axle as well
will post a pic


KingOfKings (westcoast2k2@hotmail.com) MSG #537, 09-15-2004 02:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


I can picture the chicks already..."OMG YOU'VE GOT AN ENGINE IN YOU'RE BACKSEAT!!! "



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #538, 09-15-2004 10:56 AM
     

I think a stretched IMSA spoiler with a glass hatch to show off the engine would look pretty cool. I'll do another angle later, but I'm in class right now so I have to go. Hope you like it... btw I did a few other things like a lowering it a little, and making the rims bigger... nothing huge.

Kohburn MSG #539, 09-15-2004 10:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I think a stretched IMSA spoiler with a glass hatch to show off the engine would look pretty cool. I'll do another angle later, but I'm in class right now so I have to go. Hope you like it... btw I did a few other things like a lowering it a little, and making the rims bigger... nothing huge.

not bad.. needs paint tho

The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #540, 09-15-2004 11:59 AM
      That IMSA spoiler really akes a difference, enhances the look ten fold!

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #541, 09-15-2004 01:06 PM
      This would look cool on your stretched fiero:

I think this is a conversion from Normsfiberglass. (you might get the hatch only and mod it in, but I guess you will fabricate something yourself )

I have been researching the F40 style rearhatch for some time now, but I dont know how to make these shapes in plexiglass only...plus I am looking for a cleaner style for the "stock" fastback and trying to make it relatively easy to build.

The idea is a twin-hatch: stock decklid with the middle piece cutout and an added fiberglass piece (between the sailpanels). The seperate top piece has a fiberglass frame with a piece of "bendable" plexiglass plate that can be screwed or popped in place. It is hinged to the rear roof. Ideally it would be nice to have some linkage between the upper/lower hatch so you could open the decklid the normal way and the top hatch would move up a bit more so they dont hit. A one-piece design would be much more difficult to build because it needs to be hinged at the roofsection which is to weak to bear all that weight without reinforcing.
Ow btw, I will also try to incorporate a row of small vents on both sides (like the newer ferrari's) so the rest can stay smooth and clean, if you know what I mean

Are your gears still turning?



Kohburn MSG #542, 09-15-2004 01:13 PM
      FieRo, I did a bunch of sketches for the fastback to have a hatch (before i ended up witha notchy) and the best areas for high suction seems to be just behind the top of the roof, along the side and at the trailing edge of the glass (allowing a flat panel to be used)

this would mean a fiberglass or metal section at the top with a few louvers the full width (about 4 inches worth), a narrow single band of "vertical" openings about 1" wide along the sides (to avoid blocking vision), and a single row along the bottom edge.. this equated to more open space in areas with better pressure differential and would also help prevent the slope of the window from generating lift.. I can scan the drawing if you are interested.

[This message has been edited by Kohburn (edited 09-15-2004).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #543, 09-15-2004 02:18 PM
      Kohburn, I had to read it twice but I guess I got it now! I like to see the drawing too. I also have several drawings scanned....maybe it is a better idea to start a seperate thread about "clear hatches" to keep this one clean... I'll try to collect some pics tomorrow..

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #544, 09-15-2004 04:15 PM
      thanks guy's keep the ideas comming you are really sparkin my interest in the idea of a clear hatch .


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #545, 09-15-2004 04:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I think a stretched IMSA spoiler with a glass hatch to show off the engine would look pretty cool. I'll do another angle later, but I'm in class right now so I have to go. Hope you like it... btw I did a few other things like a lowering it a little, and making the rims bigger... nothing huge.

definetly has my attention nice work

Jake_Dragon MSG #546, 09-15-2004 07:33 PM
      It would probably work with the trans axle but the mufflers would stick out
Its not removing all of the trunk more like half of it.
Cant wait to see what you do with it!

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

cant shorten the rear behind the wheels as the mufflers are there and the trans axle as well
will post a pic



L44_87GT MSG #547, 09-15-2004 08:06 PM
      use a clear hatch /glass from a 3rd gen f-body

Fierochic88 (jgoss825@gmail.com) MSG #548, 09-15-2004 10:14 PM
      There actually was an "El Fiero" at the Columbus FOCOA Nationals in 1999. It was labeled "El Fiero 2m4 + 4". I believe it had a 350 and was yellow!

Jen

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #549, 09-15-2004 10:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by L44_87GT:

use a clear hatch /glass from a 3rd gen f-body

Even an old rx-7 has hatch glass that might do the trick I think.

jscott1 MSG #550, 09-15-2004 10:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:


YES!! Go with this

Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #551, 09-15-2004 11:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierochic88:

There actually was an "El Fiero" at the Columbus FOCOA Nationals in 1999. It was labeled "El Fiero 2m4 + 4". I believe it had a 350 and was yellow!

Okay, so where's the pictures? We want pictures, Jen!



Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #552, 09-15-2004 11:16 PM
     

I've got to admit, that looks pretty sharp. However, is there a reason why we must continue to see the mismatched colors? Can't anyone make this Fiero all black? What's wrong with you artistic guys anyway?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #553, 09-15-2004 11:18 PM
     

Another thing I whipped up quick... its kinda sloppy but you get the idea.

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #554, 09-15-2004 11:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Patrick:

I've got to admit, that looks pretty sharp. However, is there a reason why we must continue to see the mismatched colors? Can't anyone make this Fiero all black? What's wrong with you artistic guys anyway?

I could do it all one colour, it just takes a lot of time to try and match the panels... black isn't good though because it hides the body lines. Maybe I'll make it all red soon.

BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #555, 09-15-2004 11:26 PM
      All I have to say is wow doublec4. That looks so good, I don't see how bubbajoe will want to do anything else with it.

Brad

Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #556, 09-15-2004 11:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

I could do it all one colour, it just takes a lot of time to try and match the panels... black isn't good though because it hides the body lines. Maybe I'll make it all red soon.

Red, green, purple... it doesn't matter. Just make it one color!

By the way, nice to see all the talented Canadians involved with this project.



sqoach (fiero_adam@yahoo.com) MSG #557, 09-15-2004 11:52 PM
      Here's a quick photoshop I did.



gaas88 (gs.allevato@sympatico.ca) MSG #558, 09-16-2004 05:16 AM
      Hey doubleC4, I think you missed your calling! You have a great feel for design...Bubbajoe you gotta do this man!

Fierochic88 (jgoss825@gmail.com) MSG #559, 09-16-2004 06:41 AM
      I'll see what I can do...I know there are pics at my parents but I'm not sure when I'm going there next!

Jen

tesmith66 MSG #560, 09-16-2004 08:56 AM
      Is this the one?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #561, 09-18-2004 10:47 AM
      tesmith66

that has to be at least a 18 to 20 inch stretch to fit the 2 stock side panels and have both scoops

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-18-2004).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #562, 09-18-2004 11:32 AM
     

This is for the request of a single coloured version haha.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #563, 09-18-2004 11:46 AM
      thats cool!

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #564, 09-18-2004 12:13 PM
      I am interested to see what people can do with a single colour version. I am working on it myself



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #565, 09-18-2004 02:14 PM
      Thanks for that picture Aus, I had some fun with it!

Sticker tuning option:



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #566, 09-18-2004 03:21 PM
      one more duotone version....:


AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #567, 09-18-2004 08:42 PM
      A simple window and wing mod.



gumert (gumert@epsilongraphics.com) MSG #568, 09-19-2004 12:02 AM
     
 
quote

I think regardless of anything, some type of rear window should be put on since it makes the car look more proportional - it takes away from the extreme stretch look.

Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #569, 09-19-2004 12:23 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

That looks like a MkIII Supra.

 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

That looks like a 2nd gen RX7

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #570, 09-19-2004 12:58 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

A simple window and wing mod.

Wow that looks familiar, I guess you like what I did with the original hahah

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #571, 09-19-2004 01:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will:


That looks like a 2nd gen RX7

And thats exactly why I posted earlier in this thread that rx7 glass looks very familiar... good eye!

Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #572, 09-19-2004 03:22 AM
     
Dammit, this car is starting to look real good, especially now that it's one color! Great work guys!


Howard_Sacks (@hotmail.com) MSG #573, 09-19-2004 03:58 AM
      huh? you on LSD or something. . . It also looks like bird.

 
quote
Originally posted by Will:


That looks like a 2nd gen RX7



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #574, 09-19-2004 10:07 AM
      doublec4
you should come on by my place and take a look at the real thing You definately have my attention
you have the look I am looking for

Thanks Joe

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #575, 09-19-2004 10:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

doublec4
you should come on by my place and take a look at the real thing You definately have my attention
you have the look I am looking for

Thanks Joe

Thanks for the offer, maybe we can arrange something soon. I'm in Mississauga, and if I remember correctly you're not that far. Sounds good to me, I want to see this setup in person!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #576, 09-19-2004 12:45 PM
      doublec4

2 min. from St Joseph hospital on Queen st west Toronto
my cell # 647 899 4690


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #577, 09-19-2004 12:54 PM
      found the perfect candidate for the spoiler

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-19-2004).]

moto838 (josephjmartin@netzero.net) MSG #578, 09-19-2004 01:17 PM
      Hey Joe; Have you driven the car yet? How does it run ,and how well does it shift using the fiero shifter connected to the porsche trans? Joe.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #579, 09-19-2004 01:23 PM
      not yet but have runit thought the gears running on stands and it shifts fine and runns great

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #580, 09-19-2004 02:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

found the perfect candidate for the spoiler

Get that hatch too!


Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #581, 09-19-2004 04:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

Something needs to be done with the sail panel area I think. I don't know what though.

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #582, 09-20-2004 11:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will:


Build this with a wide body and it will look Ohhh sooo badass!

Maybe I should stretch the Choptop Widebody while I have it apart..???

Bubba... No Matter what you decide to do.. it IS GOING TO BE TOUGH AS HELL!! Mean thing! <-- that should be your logo for the rear...



cy1clown (cy1clown@yahoo.com) MSG #583, 09-20-2004 12:30 PM
      I am no photoshop wizard but what do you think about this.

Jon


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #584, 09-20-2004 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


Get that hatch too!


I agree...



yashmack MSG #585, 09-20-2004 01:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

This is for the request of a single coloured version haha.

Im voting for this idea, this has the best look in my opinion. the others i saw still made it look like someone stretched it, this one flows better and looks more natural.

just my opinion

great job Joe, I ve enjoyed watching this beastie progress, youve got a definite showstopper on your hands here. Cant wait to see it completed.

Kohburn MSG #586, 09-21-2004 09:40 AM
      the long wheelbase will kill your turning radius, but man your highspeed stability should be great

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #587, 09-22-2004 01:03 PM
      Jake_Dragon

here is a few pics of why the rear can not be shortend





Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #588, 09-22-2004 04:05 PM
     
You do nice work, BubbaJoe. Definitely not a hack job!


Jake_Dragon MSG #589, 09-22-2004 05:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Jake_Dragon

here is a few pics of why the rear can not be shortend


Thats a lot of stuff in there

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #590, 09-22-2004 06:25 PM
      only what is nessesary and to keep the engine compartment clean of cluter .
All the nessesary electrical is all hiden and in the rear and will have a diamond plate cover over it all
the beam that runs between the shock towers is where all the electrical is run

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-22-2004).]

Jake_Dragon MSG #591, 09-22-2004 08:03 PM
      Looks good, how about I drop off my GT and you fix it up for me
I think what ever you do it will be a very impressive car.
The white hatch back and spoiler should work out well.
Cant wait to see it finished and going down the road.

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

only what is nessesary and to keep the engine compartment clean of cluter .
All the nessesary electrical is all hiden and in the rear and will have a diamond plate cover over it all
the beam that runs between the shock towers is where all the electrical is run

This would take some work but I thought I would put it out there.
The sail panels have been moved back and the sides elongated.
The part by the vents would curve in in the back so the spoiler could go on the outside of the body but not stick out.

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 09-22-2004).]

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #592, 09-27-2004 10:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

Can someone take this picture that is stretched and make it a fastback..?? I want to see what a stretched fastback would look like...
Thanks..
Sorry for the temporary hi-jack...



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #593, 09-30-2004 02:10 PM
      well here we go Nstar under glass here are some pics


as you can see the camero glas is the right sze for the rear


here is a side view you can play with with photo shop

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-30-2004).]

NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #594, 09-30-2004 02:20 PM
      HEYYYYY NOW THAT"S SHAPING UP NICELY

Formula88 MSG #595, 09-30-2004 02:22 PM
      Now THAT looks GOOD!!! Much better than the wagon version. Looks like it belongs there. Very nice.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #596, 09-30-2004 02:23 PM
      Posted by Bobert using Bubba's computer.

Guess what ( I got to chop the top) !!! The wagonback is history.

Here is the proof !

The Chopped-up Top.



Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #597, 09-30-2004 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NY_FIERO:

HEYYYYY NOW THAT"S SHAPING UP NICELY

I agree. So glad it isnt going to be a wagon anymore. That view throught the back glass is killer!

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #598, 09-30-2004 02:34 PM
      Pictures are nice but you should be here to see it in person. It is awesome!



MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #599, 09-30-2004 02:39 PM
      Lovin' the hatchback look - that's great... can't wait to see this thing in all one color!

Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #600, 09-30-2004 02:43 PM
      Sail panels similar to LilDevil's and chin spolier along with a subtle wing.
Do it.


Kohburn MSG #601, 09-30-2004 02:46 PM
      now it just needs a wrap around spoiler

Kohburn MSG #602, 09-30-2004 02:48 PM
      actually now it looks like the camaro glass woul dbe perfect for a none stretched notchy too..

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #603, 09-30-2004 02:52 PM
      No it would't fit a non-stretched Fiero. This car is stretched 12" and the end of the hatch is only 4" from the back.

A spoiler is in the plans.

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-30-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #604, 09-30-2004 03:00 PM
      If anyone in the Toronto/GTA area has or knows of an 82 - 90 Camaro of Firebird
I need a rear hatch section donor to help with remolding the rear of the car.

edit:I will even come and remove it myself.

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-30-2004).]

Kohburn MSG #605, 09-30-2004 03:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

No it would't fit a non-stretched Fiero. This car is stretched 12" and the end of the hatch is only 4" from the back.

A spoiler is in the plans.

but how long is that flat non glass section? metal can be cut

can't wait to see this thing painted


Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #606, 09-30-2004 03:32 PM
      Looks *much* cooler with the glass than the wagon top. Fits surprisingly closely, too. If you put a little more time/thought into it, you could make the hinges and back end such that you could run with or without the glass, depending on the weather and your mood. Keep up the good work!

Bryce
88 GT


ezramore MSG #607, 09-30-2004 05:27 PM
      Is the glass going to interfear with ventilation to the engine. i would put a dark tint on the glass and make people have to find out whats under the hood.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #608, 09-30-2004 05:31 PM
      no there is plenty of areas for air to infiltrate the compartment

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #609, 09-30-2004 05:34 PM
      Kohburn

the metal overlaps the glass 4inches so you would have a rear deck 1 inch long and no way to latch it shut
on a stock Fiero


Kohburn MSG #610, 09-30-2004 06:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Kohburn

the metal overlaps the glass 4inches so you would have a rear deck 1 inch long and no way to latch it shut
on a stock Fiero

well it was a thought anyways.. keep up the good work


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #611, 09-30-2004 06:37 PM
      I'm REALLY happy to see you're going through with this design! Will you be putting on the wrap around spoiler?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #612, 09-30-2004 07:47 PM
      doublec4

you bet thanks to you you got my brain in overdrive again and the work is progressing
Thanks Again

there is alot of reworking of the fiberglass but I think the finished product will be worth it

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #613, 09-30-2004 07:49 PM
      doublec4

I will try to get a good side view pic for you to do up with your photo shiop skills
but no red please I am going tangerine on the car for colour
and the roof will have my trade mark satin black treatment as in this pic

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 09-30-2004).]

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #614, 09-30-2004 09:14 PM
      Awesome, so do you want me to change the colour in the picture you just posted, or do you want me to wait for a full side shot?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #615, 09-30-2004 09:38 PM
      will post a good side view tomorrow afternoon the ones here now are not the best to much sun in the shots

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #616, 10-01-2004 01:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Looks AWESOME bubbajoe!!!




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #617, 10-01-2004 06:52 AM
      now thats the look I was lookin for thanks

ezramore MSG #618, 10-01-2004 10:17 AM
      It looks awsom. I was also noticing it resembles the 2003 acura nsx in the back. Sorry I dont know how to post a pic



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #619, 10-02-2004 06:49 PM
      well I have started to shape the roof pillers to fit the glass and have step by step pics to go along with it here you go

starting with sheet metal I formed molds to make the fiberglass fillers


test fit the peices to make sure they fit well

then covered them with a light glue then with plastic wrap so the fiberglass wont stick

continued



pavo_roddy MSG #620, 10-02-2004 06:53 PM
      Hi all,

With the drivetrain all done, have you done any driving cuz I am curious as to how she handles opposed to a non stretch fiero....

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #621, 10-02-2004 06:57 PM
      then removed the filler peices from the molds for trimming

now that i have them it is time to glass them in using a bonding agent then glassing them in solid



this is what the glass work looks like befor finishing

now retry the glass window to see how well it fits

screws will be removed in 24 hours so every thing cures up good and solid

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-02-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #622, 10-02-2004 07:03 PM
      once the hinge plate is weled to the roof and both b pillers are finished the center will be resized and glassed back in

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #623, 10-02-2004 07:07 PM
      pavo_roddy

where i live if you take the car on the road unfinished as it is you will be in the impound yard as the cops will have it towed and a tone of tickes to go with it
Im not in a rush I can wait a little longer and take it out with all the body mods done and in primer then no one will bother me


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #624, 10-02-2004 07:26 PM
      Kohburn

here is a pic with the measurements of the glass on it

length of the glass without the deck is 44 inches

jscott1 MSG #625, 10-02-2004 07:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

well here we go Nstar under glass here are some pics


as you can see the camero glas is the right sze for the rear

I'm lovin' it



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #626, 10-02-2004 07:40 PM
      jscott1

lotsa work but I think the finished glass rear will set off the looks of the stretch

Master Tuner Akimoto MSG #627, 10-02-2004 07:55 PM
      Bubba I have to make a trip to Canada to check out some of your projects simply breathtaking.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #628, 10-02-2004 08:30 PM
      Master Tuner Akimoto

come on up to Canada you will enjoy yourself Here in TO Canada's largest city and Ontario's capital city



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #629, 10-03-2004 07:33 AM
      WOW!!! That's going to look fantastic. But, please tell, how did you make the metal molds? From scratch?

Roy

topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #630, 10-03-2004 08:29 AM
      Your creativity amazes me. Let's see. You stretched a notchback, installed a longitudal Northstar, mated it to a Porsche transaxle, and now modding the rear clip to fit a Camaro rear hatch!

OUTSTANDING work!

I can hardly wait to see the finished, painted product!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #631, 10-03-2004 09:51 AM
      mrfixit58

one I had the shape draw out I used a sheat metal hammer and an anvil to pound out the metal to shape
lots of pounding and refitting till perfect . I'm a tin bandger by trade {sheat metal man} and many years of experiance
Just one of my trades

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-03-2004).]

sheppard00 (sheppardmark@sbcglobal.net) MSG #632, 10-03-2004 10:11 AM
      I thought the wagon was just chezy enough to be cool. but awsome work bubba. I cant wait to hear how she runs.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #633, 10-03-2004 01:16 PM
      any one who want the tin molds for the bpillers can have them first responce gets them or I am thowing them out just pay the shipping about 8 bucks



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #634, 10-03-2004 01:21 PM
      sheppard00

you want to here it run use this link and go to the bottom of the page and click the sound clip
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id219.htm



Racing_Trends (racing_trends@hotmail.com) MSG #635, 10-03-2004 03:06 PM
      Hey Bubbajoe

I have an 84 Camaro berlinetta, a good a parts car runs mint u still interested in the rear clip?

perhaps we can arrange a trade some how? my name is marcello in the GTA as well, give me a call if ur still interested

416-522-4486

March

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #636, 10-03-2004 03:17 PM
      What is your wheel base now..?? You know why I am asking...lol Because I need to know thing's like this for my secret journal I am not supposed to tell anyone about. So, I just need to knoe!

Dude, It is AWESOME!



sqoach (fiero_adam@yahoo.com) MSG #637, 10-03-2004 03:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ezramore:

It looks awsom. I was also noticing it resembles the 2003 acura nsx in the back. Sorry I dont know how to post a pic

I posted a hyperlink a couple pages back of one. I guess everyone missed it.

This images is larger than 100K. Click to view.

boristheblade MSG #638, 10-03-2004 03:54 PM
      Awesome work for sure.
Now that youve got the glass on, how will you get air to the filters? won't they be just sucking in engine bay air this way?

[This message has been edited by boristheblade (edited 10-03-2004).]

jscott1 MSG #639, 10-03-2004 05:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
where i live if you take the car on the road unfinished as it is you will be in the impound yard as the cops will have it towed and a tone of tickes to go with it

I'm glad I didn't know this as I was cruising around the GTA in a multi-colored Half-finished Chop top.

This car of yours is going to be awesome when completed. I would love to see the look on someone's face when they pull up behind you and see that huge Northstar sitting under glass where your back seat would normally be.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #640, 10-03-2004 06:40 PM
      fourpoint9

can you draw in a small scoop on the bpiller as I plan on putting scoop there to feed cold air into the engine compartment

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #641, 10-03-2004 06:41 PM
      NotAFieroAnyLonger

stock fiero wheel base +12 inches

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-03-2004).]

jscott1 MSG #642, 10-03-2004 06:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

fourpoint9

can you draw in a small scoop on the bpiller as I plan on putting scoop there to feed cold air into the engine compartment

A scoop in the b-pillar is exactly what I was going to suggest. Otherwise you are going to get a vacuum under the glass.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #643, 10-03-2004 07:11 PM
     

the marked area is where I want toput a scoop

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #644, 10-03-2004 08:17 PM
      hmm I took a quick break from homework to put in some scoops:

I thought that removing the sail panel would give you more space, but this one isn't that great. I used the shape of your bottom scoop. Unfortunately it doesn't fit that area well...

This one I just removed the triangular part of the sail panel and made a recessed scoop. Looks ok I guess. I left the black "pillar" of the sail panel, otherwise it looks really weird without it.

I don't know how feasible any of these are, or if you even like them. Maybe later I can try and put one in that small area you pointed out. I'm just concerned that it will look very crowded with the sail panel and all.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #645, 10-03-2004 09:01 PM
      unfortunately the scoops can only be mounted where I have the area marked as
there is no access to the engine compartment the area where the sail panel is
tight to the roof piller and the area I marked is wide open to the engine


AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #646, 10-03-2004 09:23 PM
      Something like this perhaps.



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #647, 10-03-2004 09:27 PM
      Definitely would have to be something like Aus posted... something thin so it doesn't look too busy or cluttered. The sail panel is one thing on the fiero that is starting to really get on my nerves.

jscott1 MSG #648, 10-03-2004 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

Something like this perhaps.

How about this but recessed to go in versus out. Kind of like the 90 prototype that breathes through the sail panel.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #649, 10-03-2004 10:32 PM
      now thats worth looking in to

Kameo Kid MSG #650, 10-03-2004 11:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

Something like this perhaps.

this is just right.. I've watched this car come to shape from the wings but I like this design..!

how much room do you have for tire on the rears?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #651, 10-03-2004 11:52 PM
      Have room for a 335 35 18 in the rear with coil overs

Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #652, 10-04-2004 01:59 AM
      If you can't tell, I don't have Photoshop, but I try with what I've got.

What do you all think?

[This message has been edited by Unsafe At Any Speed (edited 10-04-2004).]

California Kid MSG #653, 10-04-2004 02:10 AM
      You've got my attention, looks like it's starting to come together nicely.



Kohburn MSG #654, 10-04-2004 07:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:


A scoop in the b-pillar is exactly what I was going to suggest. Otherwise you are going to get a vacuum under the glass.

the entire underside of the engine bay is open - plenty of air flow..
if there is a scoop on the sails it should be rearward facing to draw air out from under the glass..


x-thumpr-x (xthumprx@fieronut.me) MSG #655, 10-04-2004 12:03 PM
      Hey Bubba, looking good! Might have to swing by one time and get a closer look. Been awhile since I was last there, follow bobert next time he goes over to help out. Any advancement on the supercharger for Boberts car? Like to see that one day.

bobert, have you got the car on the road yet? Almost time to hibernate the Fiero's now.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #656, 10-04-2004 01:18 PM
      x-thumpr-x

any time I'm home 99% of the time



doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #657, 10-04-2004 03:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

x-thumpr-x

any time I'm home 99% of the time

then how do you make the money to fund these projects

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #658, 10-04-2004 04:07 PM
      He is independently wealthy ... edit: j/k

x-Thumper-x The car will be on the road come spring of 2005.

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #659, 10-04-2004 04:38 PM
      doublec4

thats why I make almost all of the parts myself my small pension does
not go far and I use whatever used parts I can to save money


Kameo Kid MSG #660, 10-04-2004 06:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Have room for a 335 35 18 in the rear with coil overs

oh you need to those..!!!!! oh yes you do !!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #661, 10-04-2004 06:31 PM
      Well......it's comming together! Glad you ditched the wagon and are now exposing the N*

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sqoach (fiero_adam@yahoo.com) MSG #662, 10-04-2004 07:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kohburn:


the entire underside of the engine bay is open - plenty of air flow..
if there is a scoop on the sails it should be rearward facing to draw air out from under the glass..

That's what I was thinking. The Fino and Finale are set up with rear facing scoops to draw the hot air out of the engine bay.

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #663, 10-04-2004 08:13 PM
      How about a roof scoop/vent? Just on the roof, you wouldn't want to cover the rear glass and block the view of that awesome motor!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #664, 10-05-2004 03:59 PM
      closed in the glass work today to seal up the new window opening here are some of the pics



as you can see the whole area is being closed in with glass including where the body panel was cut

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-05-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #665, 10-05-2004 07:24 PM
      here are a few more



avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #666, 10-05-2004 07:50 PM
      Does the new hatch glass clear the rear air filters, or are you going to change them?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #667, 10-05-2004 07:53 PM
      going with the velocity stacks and bag filter

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #668, 10-05-2004 08:14 PM
      dont like 666 make it 667 posts

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #669, 10-05-2004 09:41 PM
      Damn you work fast... next summer you have to teach me to fiberglass!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #670, 10-05-2004 11:00 PM
      no problem if your willing to learn

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #671, 10-05-2004 11:48 PM
      do the roof scoop idea... i doubt youll see much behind you any ways with those huge carbs in the way... plus it would KINDA be a ram air effect.

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Fieroking (sokolja@roadrunner.com) MSG #672, 10-06-2004 12:43 AM
      I have one question i have been following this thred and have u even had it running yet ?? just want to know if i have missed something. It looks awsome man keep up the good work



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #673, 10-06-2004 10:00 AM
      yes there is a sound clip on my web site for you to hear the link is on page 16



Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #674, 10-06-2004 11:05 AM
      Here is the sound clip. I hope to see this beast some day.

http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/HTMLobj-2432/nstar.wav

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #675, 10-06-2004 12:49 PM
      Lookin' good! I should stop by and have a look aswell.

Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #676, 10-06-2004 12:55 PM
      I've been following this thread on and off for a long time, but I don't think I have commented yet.

Some very nice photochops and some really incredible fabrication.

You guys are artists. I stand in awe.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #677, 10-06-2004 03:23 PM
      will be putting the hinge on the roof I hope tomorrow .
with the work so far the window no3w looks like it is made for this car
Progress so far




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #678, 10-06-2004 03:29 PM
      stevenrossi
Im lookin for one of these wings have you got one at the yard


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #679, 10-06-2004 04:27 PM
      All I can say is.... WOW!

Roy

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #680, 10-06-2004 04:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

stevenrossi
Im lookin for one of these wings have you got one at the yard


Bubba we've got one a car like that out there...but no whale tale...its got the lid and struts and glass. I'll keep my eye out, unless you want one from like a shadow or whatever, those we probably have tonnes of.
You can call me at work @ (416) 286-8687 ext. 241

Best,

Steve

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #681, 10-06-2004 05:09 PM
      steve
what shift you on tomorrow


Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #682, 10-06-2004 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

stevenrossi
Im lookin for one of these wings have you got one at the yard

Get a wing like in my picture.

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #683, 10-06-2004 06:45 PM
     
Hey Bubba, congrats on the ratings bar you earned it!


BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #684, 10-06-2004 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bobert:

Hey Bubba, congrats on the ratings bar you earned it!

Holy crap, took long enough!

This thread is awesome, its been a favorite thread of mine since the beginning. Thanks for the documentation Bubba.

Brad

stevenrossi (stevenrossi49@hotmail.com) MSG #685, 10-06-2004 11:17 PM
      I'm there all day bub...come on in.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #686, 10-07-2004 05:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed:


Get a wing like in my picture.

need a base wing to start with to make a mold for the one I need

Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #687, 10-07-2004 10:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

stevenrossi
Im lookin for one of these wings have you got one at the yard

Joe,
I used to have one of those Firebirds, with that exact wing.
Be aware that the wing in that pic is attached to clips that run along the side edges of the glass. If you mount that wing to a plain hatch, it won't have the clips. They're part of the hatch molding. Also be aware that the wing is made of soft urethane, and tends to crack. At least mine did.
I'm sure you can work around all of that, but I wanted to save you the "surprises".


Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #688, 10-07-2004 11:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


need a base wing to start with to make a mold for the one I need

For the PS I took the wing from an NSX.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #689, 10-07-2004 06:53 PM
     
found a wing that fits excellent with onl a minor sanding on the outside edge to fit the new opening


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #690, 10-07-2004 07:26 PM
      whats it off of?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #691, 10-07-2004 07:26 PM
      88 daytona

88Fiero4Mula (kjorgens@nebrwesleyan.edu) MSG #692, 10-07-2004 11:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

How about a roof scoop/vent? Just on the roof, you wouldn't want to cover the rear glass and block the view of that awesome motor!

It's funny you should use this picture! I always thought the thing looked a little like a McLaren F1.



Unsafe At Any Speed (astevens@montana.edu) MSG #693, 10-07-2004 11:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

88 daytona

Isn't there something else you could use? I've been watching this project for awhile and love where the car is going. I was just worried that it was getting maybe alittle too Daytonaish. But whatever, it's your car, I'm just trying to heighten my vicarious experience. Oh, by the way, I'm jealous.

But really, you should come up with some lower side skirts with a scoop or something, and and chin spolier and a rear diffuser.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #694, 10-08-2004 12:03 AM
      since this project is taking alot of space on the 4.X site I have made a new site just for this project with more pics and alot more space here is the link

http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/carcorner/52/
still in the constuction stage only transfered 3 pages so far more tomorrow


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #695, 10-08-2004 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Unsafe At Any Speed:


Isn't there something else you could use? I've been watching this project for awhile and love where the car is going. I was just worried that it was getting maybe alittle too Daytonaish. But whatever, it's your car, I'm just trying to heighten my vicarious experience. Oh, by the way, I'm jealous.

But really, you should come up with some lower side skirts with a scoop or something, and and chin spolier and a rear diffuser.

you reading my mind the lower skirts are in the works and will have side scoops to match the uppers

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #696, 10-08-2004 01:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

fourpoint9

can you draw in a small scoop on the bpiller as I plan on putting scoop there to feed cold air into the engine compartment




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #697, 10-08-2004 09:38 AM
     

fourpoint9

Now that is excellent Just what I am looking for I thank You Very much you will definatly see this mod for sure

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #698, 10-08-2004 09:41 AM
      fourpoint9
big ++++++++++ for you deserve it

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-09-2004).]

Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #699, 10-08-2004 10:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

88 daytona

Heheheheh. I like that wing.
Even remember looking at it a few times and wondering...
...then got sidetracked by other stuff.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #700, 10-08-2004 04:48 PM
      glass is now secured to the roof section with a hinge mounting plate will post pics later

have to get back to work outside

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #701, 10-09-2004 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

glass is now secured to the roof section with a hinge mounting plate will post pics later

have to get back to work outside

Hurry dang it!!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #702, 10-09-2004 02:02 PM
      here is the pic of the finge mount for the glass and also the latest progress

deck lid so far now all that I have to do is bond it to the camaro hatch



as you can see the Camaro deck has had the uper skin removedup to 3 inches from the glass so the fiero deck can be sliped under the outer skin
to hold it in place for bonding


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #703, 10-09-2004 02:10 PM
      here is a close up of where the deck is inserted under the camaro skin



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #704, 10-09-2004 02:37 PM
      Bobert
already for sunday got all the materials and it is ready to be bonded together

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-09-2004).]

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #705, 10-09-2004 02:49 PM
      Looking great, I'll bring the coffee !

[This message has been edited by Bobert (edited 10-09-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #706, 10-09-2004 03:02 PM
      Bobert

yah sounds good I wip up a batch of spanish rice and halibut for lunch



Alex4mula (torres_a@hotmail.com) MSG #707, 10-09-2004 03:59 PM
      Cool. That looks like a 70s RX7 rear.



rmphoto MSG #708, 10-09-2004 04:15 PM
      man i wish that glass would fit a non stretched gt.

hmm rx7 glass maybe?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #709, 10-09-2004 05:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotAFieroAnyLonger:


Hurry dang it!!


only have 2 hands can't work any faster want to come over and help


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #710, 10-09-2004 06:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotAFieroAnyLonger:
Hurry dang it!!

You will never know what "hurry" means !
Its looking better everytime Bubbajoexx, the glass hatch really matches great! Thumbs up as always.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #711, 10-09-2004 07:03 PM
      Fie Ro

Thank You will be more pics on the progress tomorrow
should have the deck done and start on the wing


m0sh_man (macantley@suddenlink.net) MSG #712, 10-09-2004 10:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

hahaha, gotta keep the 2m4 sticker!!!

or maybe change it to 2r4
it now means, two rows of 4 :P

what is your target horsepower out of your setup? 350HP crank or more?

matthew

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #713, 10-09-2004 11:09 PM
      Is it possible to remove the defost heating material on the rear deck window?

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #714, 10-10-2004 03:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


You will never know what "hurry" means !
Its looking better everytime Bubbajoexx, the glass hatch really matches great! Thumbs up as always.

LOL...
Yes, the hatch looks GREAT!
But, with the stretch AND the hatch it look's ALOT like the Camaro to me...
What do you think..??


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #715, 10-10-2004 03:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

only have 2 hands can't work any faster want to come over and help

I , myself i should NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER tell anyone to hurry... I apologise!!
Bubba... man I am at a lost of words for this project!! It is going to be REALLY scary to pull up behind you at a red light and see that N* staring at you...
<---- thats what the ricer that is behind you... lol


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #716, 10-10-2004 07:06 AM
      madcurl
as I made the rear easy to remove I am looking for a rear glass that has no defrost lines there is one not far from me
and waiting for the owner to scrap the car as he said I could have it when the car goes to the bone yard


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #717, 10-10-2004 07:10 AM
      NotAFieroAnyLonger
Camaro lets see Camaro 4 seats Fiero stretch 2 Camaro enigne in front Fiero stretch N* under glass no match here


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #718, 10-10-2004 09:36 AM
      why not just pull the defroster off that hatch? i ripped mine of the fiero not to long ago w/ only a razor blade. im digin' the hatch over the N*. Im still worried about you sucking up air thats in the 200* range w/ that hatch on there. i know that there will be fresh air coming in the vents and from the bottom of the car but still those intakes are close to the glass and the area close to the glass is going to be the hottest. atleast you can drive it in the rain now and not worry about get water in your carbs

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #719, 10-10-2004 05:34 PM
      as I said here are the latest pics deck all bonded in



once blended and painted it will look like it was made for the car

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-10-2004).]

Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #720, 10-10-2004 07:58 PM
      Just wanted to say this thread has been viewed over 25,000 times already. Wow. Just wow.

topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #721, 10-10-2004 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Just wanted to say this thread has been viewed over 25,000 times already. Wow. Just wow.

And this thread is full of creative ingenuity...

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #722, 10-10-2004 08:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Just wanted to say this thread has been viewed over 25,000 times already. Wow. Just wow.

Amazing isn't it. When you first started this forum did you ever think it would grow to over 10,000 members, receive so much traffic and generate so much interest? Threads like this can be enjoyed thanks to people like cliff and bubbajoe who put a lot of work into everything they do. Way to go guys

Edit: Happy CANADIAN Thanksgiving haha ... I'm grateful for this forum and fieros

[This message has been edited by doublec4 (edited 10-10-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #723, 10-10-2004 08:30 PM
      Cliff Pennock
just like to say THANK YOU for making this possible

I just hope others enjoy seeing what goes into building a custom Fiero
and are helped by some of my ideas I Know I have and thanks to all who
have contributed to the project with there Ideas as well



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #724, 10-10-2004 08:32 PM
      doublec4
HAPPY THANKS GIVING TO YOU as well as all the other Canadians here on the forum


Formula88 MSG #725, 10-10-2004 08:41 PM
      This car is going to be one of the all time greatest Fieros. I'm simply amazed at the work you do, Bubba. Unbelievable.
I wish I could give you another +.


Raydar (raydarfiero@comcast.net) MSG #726, 10-10-2004 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Just wanted to say this thread has been viewed over 25,000 times already. Wow. Just wow.

Would it be advisable to make a backup somewhere? I'd hate for it to get corrupted and lost like some of the O/T threads did.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #727, 10-11-2004 06:12 AM
      one page back is a link to the new webpage I have put up for this project and hope it last as long as my original web site

Australian (istworld_@hotmail.com) MSG #728, 10-11-2004 09:32 AM
      A fiero you can make out in.

gaas88 (gs.allevato@sympatico.ca) MSG #729, 10-11-2004 09:38 AM
      Bubbajoe - this is the best thread going - 25,000 views and counting! Absolutely amazing how everyone on PFF has been pitching in to help you out with ideas and photoshop mock ups. Where abouts are you? I live in Burlington and would love to drop by, say hello, and see your creation. Of course I'd bring Tim Hortons coffee and a few donuts. Keep up the great work!

Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #730, 10-11-2004 11:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Raydar:

Would it be advisable to make a backup somewhere? I'd hate for it to get corrupted and lost like some of the O/T threads did.

Already done.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #731, 10-11-2004 01:33 PM
      gaas88

I live in Toronto Queen and Ronsonvalles area your welcome to come by any time
give me a call 647 899 4690 and we will setup a day


ezramore MSG #732, 10-11-2004 05:17 PM
      Was just thinking about ventilation. i see a couple people have mentioned heat wich is what i was contemplating as well. You might be able to put a couple small vents at the rear just above the exhaust. If you made little slits and angled them downward you would never notice them even being there. Also I was wondering if you had in the plans some lift struts for that heavy deck lid. Are you going to use the factory fiero latch to hold the lid down or are you making some custome latches. There is a lot of really nice designs implemented here, keep up the good work. Cant wait to see the final pics.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #733, 10-11-2004 08:16 PM
      installing a custom latch hook using the stock fiero latch reenforced to the camaro deck as the steel iner shell from the camaro hatch was kept in tact

have a custom rear bumper im mind just working out how to implement it

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #734, 10-12-2004 09:14 AM
      will be posting pics of my wheels for stretch tonight

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #735, 10-12-2004 09:31 PM
      well here it goes these are the wheels I am putting on the car

Now I have to put the hub upgrade on the car to be able to bolt the wheels on


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #736, 10-12-2004 11:13 PM
      Awesome choice.... you never cease to amaze me!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #737, 10-13-2004 01:53 PM
      hub swap so I can install the wheels
first of all I removed the brake caliper and rotor to get access to the old hub
so it can be removed

with the hub removed I installed the concentric ring for the new seal surface

now that the ring is pressed on I can install the larger corvair hub with the correct bolt circle

with the hub installed the rotor now sits 5/8 of an inch closer to the spindle witch mens my brake adapter must be 1/4
of an inch thick so off to the shed I got to make a new one .
With that done I installed the front wheels and they fit perfect and with the larger front bearing less chance of failure

and the wheel is more centered over the rear bearing so less stress on the front bearing.

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 10-13-2004).]

crzyone (crzyone@cablerocket.com) MSG #738, 10-13-2004 02:02 PM
      Wonder what corvette owners will think when they see your wheels and brakes

Looks great Joe!

Kohburn MSG #739, 10-13-2004 02:04 PM
      very nice - how will you do the rear hubs?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #740, 10-13-2004 02:04 PM
      imagine the look on his face when he see's whats in the rear under the glass

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #741, 10-13-2004 02:07 PM
      S10 bearings and pontiac 6000 uprights or I will have the S10 bearing hub remachined to fit the fiero bearing .
I have done the S10 6000 swap before and it works ok


here is the link to the rear setup

http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id205.htm

here are a few of my options I have used
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id20.htm

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #742, 10-13-2004 02:56 PM
      The Corvette rims/tires?

Are they 275/45/18 rears and 245/45/18 fronts? 18x9's rear and 17x8's front?

Nice choice. I would hate to see this car having small rims.




Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #743, 10-13-2004 03:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Man that looks great. This has turned into the best thread ever IMO. I cant wait for more updates!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #744, 10-13-2004 03:11 PM
      madcurl
the rears are 18X9.5 with 275 40 ZR 18's
but you are right on with the fronts


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #745, 10-13-2004 03:23 PM
      275's hot diggity dog! Do please post a rear view pic once you mount those bad puppies on!

Question? Do yu think the rear will stick out past the body?

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #746, 10-13-2004 04:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

S10 bearings and pontiac 6000 uprights or I will have the S10 bearing hub remachined to fit the fiero bearing .
I have done the S10 6000 swap before and it works ok


So the S10 Bearing and the 6000 bearing are the same except for the flange/bolt pattern? Are the axle splines of the 6000 and the S10 the same? And, I assume, that the S10 bearing is from the front of a 4x4? What years?

This is good stuff. Thanks for sharing,

Roy

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #747, 10-13-2004 05:26 PM
      the inside diamiter of the upright must be opened up about 20 thou for the bearing to fit and the flange has a round bolt hole that has to be notched to get access to the bolts to tighten them up and the S10 axle end will fit the end of a fiero manual axle

Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #748, 10-13-2004 05:28 PM
      ditto.

Your site says "prepared" upright. what needs to be done to prepare it? Any machining? Or is is a direct swap in part for the Fiero upright?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #749, 10-13-2004 05:34 PM
      the up right is a direct bolt in with the 115 bolt patern but if you use the S10 4x4 front bearing you need to open up the hole 2 about 20 thou will give the exact sizes when i post the rear swap

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #750, 10-13-2004 10:00 PM
      This is awsome
I think is great that you will be using Corvette wheels, please continue to keep us posted.


Hank is Here MSG #751, 10-13-2004 10:12 PM
      Wow this is one bada$$ mutt. I haven't looked at this thread in months, I lots interest when it was young but WOW.

Bubbajoe you are truely an artist!

+ from me

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #752, 10-13-2004 11:23 PM
      here are a few of pics of the shreck (as my wife calls it) with the vette wheels 17X9.5 with 315x35x17 rubber the same width as 275 40 18's


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Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #753, 10-14-2004 09:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

S10 bearings and pontiac 6000 uprights or I will have the S10 bearing hub remachined to fit the fiero bearing .
I have done the S10 6000 swap before and it works ok


here is the link to the rear setup

http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id205.htm

here are a few of my options I have used
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/switch/67/id20.htm

So you did finally do the machining to make the bearing actually seat on the knuckle?

Kohburn MSG #754, 10-14-2004 09:44 AM
      so the 275's fit on with coilovers?

Formula88 MSG #755, 10-14-2004 10:48 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

here are a few of pics of the shreck (as my wife calls it) with the vette wheels 17X9.5 with 315x35x17 rubber the same width as 275 40 18's

Just a heads up, 275/40-18 and 315/35-17 tires are not the same width.

The first number is the tread width in milimeters, so the 275/40-18 is 275mm wide adn the 315/35-17 is 315mm wide.
Also, the 315/37-17 is 1 inch less in diameter than the 275/40-18.

Love this thread, though! Incredible work!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #756, 10-14-2004 12:25 PM
      So Bubbaxxxx when do you think your project will be finished? Any Shows?

Oh yeah I think you referring to over-all height of the two tires mentioned? 275 & 315?

A 275/40/18 is 26.66 and a 315/35/18 is 25.68

The width for a 315 is 12.40 and a 275 is 10.82

I have a 275 and a 305 but couldn't find a 315 in 20's.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #757, 10-14-2004 08:46 PM
      the pics are to show that the tires will fit under the fiero with the coil overs as the stock spring interfer with tire size

I am hoping to have it done in the spring paint and all

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #758, 10-14-2004 08:52 PM
      Will
the fit is so close that only a small amount needs to be removed the first ones I did I removed the extra material with sanding brums and it worked fine
now I going to se if I can reduce the size of the bearing surface to match the fiero bearing shells If so iI will go that rout


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #759, 10-14-2004 08:55 PM
      Formula88
tire sizes dont mean much if they wont go under the car the above pics are just to show what will fit and what I know will go under the car as I have already done it


Songman MSG #760, 10-14-2004 09:12 PM
      Bubbajoe.. I'm real interested in this because I am using ZR-1 wheels on my 355 kit. I need to change the bolt pattern to 5x4.75. I'm not really all the 'up' on suspension stuff. I did glance at your site and it might as well be in ancient Egyption! haha.. Any hints on parts will be appreciated. Also, if you make and sell any of the adaptor type parts that I will need, please let me know...

Thanks.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #761, 10-14-2004 09:38 PM
      with the front hub change the stock brakes will not fit you will have to upgrade to the vette brakes for the hubs to work as for the rear you can use the vette or the S10 rotors and 6000 calipers I wont do a kit as I dont have access to corvair parts I buy mine from ebay and that is hit and miss at times If you get the parts I can have the hubs done for you and the 6000 uprights machined but that would be all I can do you would have to follow the instructions posted here and on my site to get it done

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Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #762, 10-14-2004 10:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Will
the fit is so close that only a small amount needs to be removed the first ones I did I removed the extra material with sanding brums and it worked fine
now I going to se if I can reduce the size of the bearing surface to match the fiero bearing shells If so iI will go that rout

When I first saw this on your website I got an S10 bearing to try, but it had a shoulder that prevented it from going into the A-body upright, as well as bolt pattern issues, IIRC. I didn't feel like doing the necessary machining to get it to go together. I don't believe in modifying wear parts like bearing cartridges.
I looked more closely at your website and one of the pictures you had up at the time showed quite clearly about 1/4" gap between the bearing and the upright. I was quite graveled that you called it a bolt together upgrade...
But if you're doing it right now, that's all gravy.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #763, 10-14-2004 10:44 PM
      Will
the first ones I did are still working fine on an old fiero I sold the owner has put over 40,000 miles on the setup with no problems the one I will be doing for the back will have the hub itself remachined to fit new bearings and fitted to a smaller bearing shell If possible if not I will rework the 6000 upright to fit the bearing and install a press in collar around the inner bore which will make it fit better than in a stock S10 upright for the bolts I bolt the bearing housing in from the front and drill out the stock threads and slot the holes .this moves the bolts closer to the housing and retains its strength moving them outward would weaken the housing

this is one of the pics from the site

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Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #764, 10-15-2004 09:34 AM
      I refuse to modify a wear part. I have visions of being stuck in the middle of the desert needing a wheel bearing that requires 2 hours of machine shop time before it can be installed.

I would be willing to modify the upright, however, but I'd rather just start from scratch...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #765, 10-15-2004 02:30 PM
      Will
thats what I do is retrofit the upright to fit the bearing I will see if it is possible to move the holes in the upright to make the bearing a bolt in without slotting the holes
and post my results as uprights are cheep from the bone yard there are plentifull


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #766, 10-15-2004 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will:

I refuse to modify a wear part. I have visions of being stuck in the middle of the desert needing a wheel bearing that requires 2 hours of machine shop time before it can be installed.

...

Understandable. But, you could always make a spare and bolt it to the back of the spare tire and take it with you where ever you go. In reality, bears usually give plenty of warning (like wining or growling) before they fail. But, modifying the uprights would be preferred.

Roy



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #767, 10-15-2004 02:48 PM
      mrfixit58

I have owned Fiero's since 1984 and one that I put 190K on and have never had to change a rear wheel bearing but axles yes I'm bad for twisting them

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mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #768, 10-15-2004 03:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

I have owned Fiero's since 1984 and one that I put 190K on and have never had to change a rear wheel bearing but axles yes I'm bad for twisting them

Sounds like a FUN problem .



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #769, 10-15-2004 03:06 PM
      mrfixit58
you got that right but it does get expensive axles are not cheep


mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #770, 10-15-2004 03:10 PM
      While your online, what master cylindar are you using for your brakes? Corvette or K series Blazer?

Roy

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #771, 10-15-2004 03:28 PM
      mrfixit58
corvette as it is desined for 4 wheel disk the blazer one is not as it has a residual pressure valve where as the vette one does not


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #772, 10-16-2004 03:25 PM
      well I picked up the parts for the rear hub swap today and have remeasured all the components and it is possible to mount the S10 bearing without changws to the bearing all than needs to be done is rebore the upright to fit the bearing and put a bearing spacer in I have the diagram for the spacer done and once machined I will do the test fit and then post pics of the unit

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #773, 10-17-2004 05:07 PM
      here is some of the info needed for the rear hub change

fig. A: you need to rebore the inside diameter from 3.55 to 3.615 to a depth of 1,085 inches
fig. B: the bolts holes need to be moved over .020 inches to bolt the new hub in
as you can see in this diagram the hole are only off a small amout
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as I am using the Vette brakes in the rear I need to remove these ears in yellow for the caliper brackets to be installed

the diagram for the bearing filler is done and will post it separetly

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Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #774, 10-18-2004 05:47 PM
      Clear as a bell

What can I say Bubba, you rock!

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #775, 10-18-2004 08:24 PM
      put it together and take a turn sideways!!!

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p8ntman442 (spaldingj@wit.edu) MSG #776, 10-19-2004 05:21 PM
      http://www.fierodriver.com/fiero_images01/extended.jpg

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #777, 10-20-2004 08:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by p8ntman442:

http://www.fierodriver.com/fiero_images01/extended.jpg

The El Fiero (not to be confused with the El Camino).

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #778, 10-20-2004 09:04 AM
      Bubbajoe,

Do you know from what model year (roughly) you pulled the S10 hub? It seems that the current model and the previous model both used a CV type carrier bearing.

Thanks,
Roy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #779, 10-20-2004 02:28 PM
      p8ntman442

as I said earlier in the post this car in the pic has over a 20 inch stretch
and is not what I am doing .My stretch was done to acomidate the engine trans axle I am using
as the th 425 will not give you a true mid engine and is auto when I preffer a stick


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #780, 10-20-2004 02:31 PM
      mrfixit58

83 to 92 are all the same the 92 have a abs ring but is easy to remove but are the same diamention
83 to 89 have no ring so are cheeper to buy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #781, 10-22-2004 12:52 AM
      well I hope to have the uprights back from the machine shop tomorrow and start the rear swap if the weather is good been sick with the flue for the last few days
will post pic's if every thing goes good in the morning

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VISCERAL (patnap71@gmail.com) MSG #782, 10-23-2004 08:27 PM
      Thanks alot for the info Bubba.
so...
for the rear of the fiero, user 6000 front hubs(i believe 6000's go to 91 or 92 and olds ciera's go to 1996) and s10 wheel bearings:

83 to 92 are all the same the 92 have a abs ring but is easy to remove but are the same diamention
83 to 89 have no ring so are cheeper to buy

wheel bearings, i am assuming the pickup trucks have them and those are the ones you mean and not the blazer.
Please let me know because I'm going pickin at the yards Monday


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #783, 10-23-2004 10:16 PM
      S10 Chevy blazer or truck
S15 GMC Jimmy or Truck
the small 4X4 S series are all the same up to 92


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #784, 10-24-2004 04:03 PM
      got the uprights back yesterday with the rebore done and the holes slotted and the bearings fit without being reworked hope to have the spacers done this week and will start removing the old setup for test fitting of the brakes and wheels tomorrow

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topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #785, 10-24-2004 04:51 PM
      Looks great. How is the rest of the body work going?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #786, 10-24-2004 04:57 PM
      nothing but rain for the past week so no body work done but hope for some dry weather so I can install the rear wing and finish the back hatch

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #787, 10-25-2004 11:39 AM
      did you test fit the wheels and brakes? is it dry today??? huh huh huh???

i just looked and noticed that this thread is almost at 30000 views!!!

yes that was THIRTY THOUSAND!!!! THATS INSANE!!!!

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #788, 10-25-2004 02:16 PM
      TaurusThug
will be at it this afternoon and will post pics


Dowdian MSG #789, 10-25-2004 03:14 PM
      Just incredible. Absolutely incredible.

I'm in awe.



Bobby Amos Albrecht (bobby@united.net) MSG #790, 10-25-2004 08:50 PM
      HI Joe what a job really now not one I would like but can't wait to see it done if anyone should get a prize it's you. Thanks for all the pic on my car hope all will enjoy that was a lot for me, it would be to much with out all your help thanks.

VISCERAL (patnap71@gmail.com) MSG #791, 10-26-2004 01:36 AM
      BubbaJoe, another question. A local 6000 friend said there are 2 different hubs for the 6000, regular and heavyduty, both were available for all model years. Any Idea if both work. They said the regular model used hubs with the 5x100 bolt pattern, while the HD unit used the 5x114.5 or 5x115 bolt pattern. Do you remember which bolt pattern wheel bearing the 6000 was? Thanks

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #792, 10-26-2004 02:34 PM
      VISCERAL

Heavy duty 5X115 or you will have the stock fiero pieces with the 5X100 light duty

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #793, 10-26-2004 02:36 PM
     
there on the car still more to do though to go with the 9.5 rim I have to move the strut inward 1/4 inch and will do that with the new struts and coil overs



tesmith66 MSG #794, 10-26-2004 02:45 PM
      Where did you get that little e-brake caliper?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #795, 10-26-2004 03:32 PM
      tesmith66
I buy them here at the local princess auto store they are air hart calipers


tesmith66 MSG #796, 10-26-2004 04:01 PM
      Cool.

I was planning on using those for my rear Grand Am brake swap. Did you have to make a spacer to widen it? How'd you mount it? How did you attach the cable?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #797, 10-26-2004 04:16 PM
      tesmith66
The mount for the caliper they have you must make a mount to bolt it to the upright and the cable is 2000 vette with my own cable clip there are pics
here http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/carcorner/52/id33.htm

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FastIndyFiero (harleyhat1@hotmail.com) MSG #798, 10-26-2004 04:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


I will admit that when you first started this project, I had doubts about most everything. All I can say now is, SWEET!

Nate



ezramore MSG #799, 10-26-2004 05:16 PM
      I was just curiouse if you were planning on a larger gas tank or just being the fastest car to the gas station every day. Also is this thing going to be able to pass emmisions testing. When i dropped the v8 in the ford i used to own i had to spend a day at the emmisions shop waiting for them to tell me since the car was a 78 and the engine was a 90, i had to pass 90 emmissions laws.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #800, 10-26-2004 05:27 PM
      where I live the emission laws are out when a car reaches 20 years of age no testing required

Bradbitz11 (bitzerb@gmail.com) MSG #801, 10-26-2004 06:24 PM
      Did I totally miss the part of this thread where you put in a Firebird dash?



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #802, 10-26-2004 06:38 PM
     
Go to Page 12, do not pass Go, do not collect $200...


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #803, 10-26-2004 06:48 PM
      Bobert
call me

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #804, 10-26-2004 11:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ezramore:

When i dropped the v8 in the ford i used to own i had to spend a day at the emmisions shop waiting for them to tell me since the car was a 78 and the engine was a 90, i had to pass 90 emmissions laws.

What would the situation be if the scenario was reversed? If the car was a '90 and the engine was a '78? Would they then allow the '90 car to only have to pass '78 emission levels? I kind of doubt that!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #805, 10-26-2004 11:37 PM
      I know here in ontario modified cars are tested as mods if less than 20 years old and they dont care what year the engine is as long as it passes the mod test

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #806, 10-27-2004 01:16 AM
      This thread has more hits then Paris Hiltons latest video....

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #807, 10-27-2004 10:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotAFieroAnyLonger:

This thread has more hits then Paris Hiltons latest video....

that isnt possible...

ezramore MSG #808, 10-27-2004 10:30 AM
      What about the Fuel tank. are you keeping the original.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #809, 10-27-2004 03:40 PM
      ezramore
yes the stock tank will be all I need as 88 parts are next to imposible to find here


OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #810, 10-29-2004 12:45 PM
      Why is this on page 4?!?!?! Heres a little bump to put this thread where it belongs.

Sacred (sacred@comcast.net) MSG #811, 10-29-2004 03:46 PM
      Any updates?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #812, 10-29-2004 07:19 PM
      the rear hubs are completed and will be back at the body work soon will post pics tomorrow as it is raining here and pics wont look to good with a wet camera

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #813, 10-30-2004 03:39 PM
     
here are the wheels installed and the ride hight set

the car needs another inch of lowering to make the wheel dead center of the wheel arch


jscott1 MSG #814, 10-30-2004 03:47 PM
      SWEET!!! although it's begging for a wing. I would suggest a whale tail like the late 80s Trans Am had, or an IMSA type. That would really set it off.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #815, 10-30-2004 07:45 PM
      alpl ready have the raparound wing and will trial fit it tomorrow

Formula88 MSG #816, 10-30-2004 07:49 PM
      This Fiero is going to be a legend.
You have GOT to submit pics to Pontiac Enthusiast, Hot Rod, and GM High Performance.
The workmanship is awesome, and the "wow" factor is gonna have to be measure on the Richter Scale!!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #817, 10-30-2004 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

tesmith66
I buy them here at the local princess auto store they are air hart calipers

Hey Bubbajoexxx, how much were they? How did you fabricate the E-brake on? got any pics of it from the backside or without the rotor on?

Great job! Any backside pics of the rear wheels? Do they stick-out a little?

Thanks. madcurl



jscott1 MSG #818, 10-30-2004 08:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Im lookin for one of these wings have you got one at the yard

I missed this back a few pages ago but that was exactly what I had in mind... I guess great minds really do think alike?



TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #819, 10-30-2004 09:19 PM
      :Bump:

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ezramore MSG #820, 11-01-2004 09:27 AM
      a set of vette mirrors might look good on it. the old stock square ones look exaclty that...square.
comming along nicely. Cant wait to see it complete. Also let us know if any Magazines pick it up. I would definatley buy a couple issues.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #821, 11-03-2004 06:56 PM
      been busy for the past few days building my friends web site for his performance store
and restocking these
but will be back at the car tomorrow putting on the rear springs and alining the rear suspension
Here is what I am using


riley MSG #822, 11-03-2004 08:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


Now, that is what i call Exhaust!! where's your liscence plate going to go? Nice Wheels they fit great.


Bobby Amos Albrecht (bobby@united.net) MSG #823, 11-03-2004 11:38 PM
      Ok Joe just keep us up to date we need to see everything you know a picture is worth a lot and I know I love your work. Wish I had the time to play like you do it's got to be fun all day.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #824, 11-04-2004 12:05 AM
      riley
on the right side where the GT exhaust was


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #825, 11-04-2004 12:06 AM
      Bobby Amos Albrecht
that the Vette wheels I was telling you about


soup (jamie@kembel.ca) MSG #826, 11-04-2004 12:40 AM
      PLEEEAASSEEE!

No wing! That looks so AWESOME as it is, adding a wing, will just make it a glorified trans am...

That is a very original car, please don't make it a T/A look alike... wingless looks amazing!

Try it out at least, you can always add a wing later on.

MilleniumFiero MSG #827, 11-04-2004 05:58 AM
      can't wait for paint!!



Formula MSG #828, 11-04-2004 08:01 AM
      BubbaJoe,

My hotmail account won't open now for some reason, Can you send your mailing address to lig9989@cup.edu for me so that I can buy your mounts (probably next week).

Thanks!

matchmade MSG #829, 11-04-2004 09:23 AM
      I'm no photoshop whiz or anything but I really like the scoops that fourpoint9 did. I know it would be a difficult modification but what about adjusing the shape of the sail panels.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #830, 11-04-2004 10:00 AM
      matchmade
Iplan on the scoops but have a few other things to do before I start on them


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #831, 11-04-2004 10:02 AM
      Formula

Done Thanks

matchmade MSG #832, 11-04-2004 10:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

matchmade
Iplan on the scoops but have a few other things to do before I start on them

I saw where you said you were planning on those, I was referring to the tweaking of the angle along the bottom of the sail panel. In my Paint Shop Pro program I rotated the bottom line 10 degrees to the right, I thought that brought the body lines of the sail panels in line with the hatch.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #833, 11-04-2004 10:17 AM
      matchmade
my sails are glass had to modifie but it is a thought I will have to think about


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #834, 11-04-2004 04:06 PM
      weren't the 85+ notchie sails Lexan like the GT sails????



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #835, 11-04-2004 05:51 PM
      TaurusThug
yes but the logo is on them and mine are logo free and thats what i want if I can find an 85 econo coupe I will pull the sails


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #836, 11-04-2004 05:52 PM
     
got the stuts out in the rain and installed the springs


Flyguyeddy (be329@lab.icc.edu) MSG #837, 11-04-2004 06:54 PM
      did you make that threaded collar yourself?

it looks like you did.....

i might be wrong tho......



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #838, 11-04-2004 07:31 PM
      Flyguyeddy
its a 2 piece I made the lower section


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #839, 11-05-2004 05:29 PM
      well the stuts and springs are in and they fit great plenty of clearance from the tire will post pics tomorrow to late by the ime we finished to take pics gets dark here early

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #840, 11-06-2004 04:26 PM
      here are some of the stot pics and also finished the roof section to day


here are a few more stut pics

tires look close in the pics but there is 1/8of an inch away from the strut

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #841, 11-06-2004 04:30 PM
      the roof section was boned in today and sloped to match the new roof line of the glass hatch here are the pics



the blue gray stuff is the bonding agent for SMC pannels and takes 3 to 6 hours to bond securly
so I will glass it in tomorrow once the bonding is fully cured

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Patrick (mnofony@yahoo.com) MSG #842, 11-06-2004 05:10 PM
     
Bubba, you need to put a polarizing filter on your camera to cut down the reflections in the glass hatch. Then we could see that beautiful engine better!


jscott1 MSG #843, 11-06-2004 05:11 PM
      This looks better everytime I see it. Too bad that "NORTHSTAR UNDER GLASS" is too long for your license plate. That would be awesome.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #844, 11-06-2004 05:19 PM
      jscott1
Yah that would be a good plate like N* FIERO


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #845, 11-07-2004 02:46 PM
      here is the roof section properly glassed back in

the best way to glass SMC is to ruff the surface with a wire wheel so as to get deap gouges for the glass to bond to as in the pics

now lay the glass in onl as needed to fill the area that is preped as glass wont stick well to a smooth surface

when sanded there is very little filler needed to smooth the area in as seen here

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #846, 11-07-2004 02:53 PM
      finally started to install the rear wing what a job when there are double wall panels




TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #847, 11-07-2004 07:52 PM
      i spy with my little eye a WING!!!!!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #848, 11-07-2004 07:56 PM
      TaurusThug
I finaly started on it fit fairly well had to do some minor grinding to get it to fit the body lines
will try to get the other side on tomorrow and the rear center setion as well


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #849, 11-07-2004 11:11 PM
      I'm still watching this thread, this is incredible. Seeing a photoshop come to life is unreal.

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #850, 11-07-2004 11:37 PM
      its like that movie weird science... but instead of a girl its a CAR.... or is it a girl?

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BobadooFunk (bobadoofunk@gmail.com) MSG #851, 11-08-2004 12:12 AM
      i just want to say that this is amazing.....i didnt like the origional idea but liked the creativity factor... now the way it has evolved is just amazing... great job and i have already +'ed you...



soup (jamie@kembel.ca) MSG #852, 11-08-2004 01:44 AM
      Please! no wing!
The car looks just amazing without it looking like a mini T/A


USFiero MSG #853, 11-08-2004 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by AusFiero:

This thing looks a bit like a NSX but it obviously will stomp some exotic butt. Well, it's become somewhat exotic itself now. I like the big n' little Corvette rims that is the ticket! If I could offer even the teensiest suggestion, 80's Grand Prix mirrors? They are similar to the Fiero mirrors with (I think) a slightly smaller head on a taller stalk. You're still gonna need someplace to hang a plate out back...



justa6 (jrrood@hotmail.com) MSG #854, 11-09-2004 01:23 AM
      Wow, thats all I got to say. It is coming along so great. I'm glad you ditched the topper look. Im sure you have, but have you ever thought about switching it to smooth molding instead of the ribbed? I wonder if that would go better with the look now. Eitehr way, i love the car and cannot wait to see it finished!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #855, 11-09-2004 11:09 PM
      finaly got my pedals in to go with my shift nob heres a pic


Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #856, 11-10-2004 09:45 AM
      LOL!!

Do the eyes light up? Install some LED's in the eye sockets and hook them up to your interior lights. Hook the shift nob LED's up to your shift light...

Stript96 MSG #857, 11-10-2004 04:31 PM
      Love the look however I would have loved to have seen this car with a 91-91 GTA Spoiler on it. Its a wrap around style, but much better suited to the exotic look than the ta/formula spoiler on there now. Just a thought



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #858, 11-10-2004 04:35 PM
      With THESE pedals you should swap the "hearse-back" back in place! And put a coffin over the engine with the carbs sticking out...! ..flamethrowers in the exhausts....

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #859, 11-10-2004 05:17 PM
      Will
they are avalable with lights but I did not want them as I dont like wiring around the pedals


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #860, 11-10-2004 05:21 PM
      Stript96
the spoiler I am using is 89 daytona and is 3 piece the GTA is mounted to the glass and would have to be cut up to fit the body as it is too short for the extended deck


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #861, 11-10-2004 11:09 PM
      have spent the last few days widening the wing for the rear of the Fiero as the fiero is 2 inches wider
than the daytona so I had to stretch the center section the same amount


Stript96 MSG #862, 11-10-2004 11:43 PM
      Big duh on my part never thought of it lol.!

fieroman87 (fieroman87@juno.com) MSG #863, 11-10-2004 11:53 PM
      and this makes it 34,010+ views, go bubba go!!!

NotGonnaLose2Rice (jaydonovan82@comcast.net) MSG #864, 11-11-2004 12:12 AM
      The red fiero does have a hint of a NSX but the rear end looks a tone like a 1G Talon/Laser/Eclipse!

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #865, 11-11-2004 08:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by NotGonnaLose2Rice:

The red fiero does have a hint of a NSX but the rear end looks a tone like a 1G Talon/Laser/Eclipse!

i dont see the eclipse in there but i do see what looks like a IMSA Fastback widebody...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #866, 11-12-2004 05:14 PM
      finished filling the holes from the stretch of the wing with poly foam and waiting for it to harden so i can glass it in

have to finish changing the motor in the Jetta tomorrow so i can get back to work on the stretch

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #867, 11-15-2004 09:24 PM
      TTT

BlueGT MSG #868, 11-15-2004 10:38 PM
      It's looking good, but I am wondering what the plans are for venting the heat from the engine. I'm sure that you will stay very warm this winter. Just wondering how you plan to tackle the ventilation... especially after you park the vehicle having driven it for a while. Keep up the good work!




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #869, 11-16-2004 12:45 PM
      well the wing is almost done and am now lookin for 2 8 inch fans for exhaust air in the rear of the car that will be thermostaticly controlled for cooling the engine compartment during shut down





mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #870, 11-16-2004 03:54 PM
      Lookin' good, bubba!

Here's an idea... since you don't have a trunk, why not mold in a pair of grills in the rear deck lid and mount you fans to push the air up and out of the engine compartment? As an added bonus, the wing will probably help draw the hot air out through the grills while you drive.

Roy

Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #871, 11-16-2004 03:58 PM
      Once again. I love this thread. It's the best thread ever.



BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #872, 11-16-2004 04:36 PM
      One more vote for Best Thread Ever.

I still think you should keep the Fiero 2M4 decal on there after you paint

Brad

NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #873, 11-18-2004 09:01 AM
      NICE

MORE PLEASE

Eclipse (jay.brintnell@gmail.com) MSG #874, 11-18-2004 09:58 AM
      I can't wait to see it this weekend. It looks great!

Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #875, 11-18-2004 03:49 PM
      That's looking like a car!! And it only took 22 pages!

MaxCubes (max@kewlgeeks.com) MSG #876, 11-18-2004 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


Wow!

its a FI-MARO

I like the way you can see the engine under the glass.

Can't wait to see it after a paint job


ryan.hess (ryan.h@excite.com) MSG #877, 11-19-2004 12:11 AM
      Damn... Haven't checked in for a while, and it's.... whoa!

Looks like I got some reading to do! To satisfy my curiosity, is that a camaro hatch on the back?

rmphoto MSG #878, 11-19-2004 01:06 AM
      bubba, i think you should paint the alum. chacker board in the engine bay black.

that would put the focus more on the engine.



Fastback 86 MSG #879, 11-19-2004 01:25 AM
      Hey bubba? I was just wondering, how is fresh air going to get into the engine compartment and up into the engine? Some kind of crazy ducting you haven't built yet?

Looks really cool so far.

achawkins (achawkins@charter.net) MSG #880, 11-19-2004 09:35 AM
      Maybe I missed it, or maybe not, but where does the license plate go now?



fiero go fast (dday98m@gmail.com) MSG #881, 11-19-2004 10:29 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by achawkins:

Maybe I missed it, or maybe not, but where does the license plate go now?

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

on the right side where the GT exhaust was


Matt



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #882, 11-19-2004 04:47 PM
      ryan.hess
the rear glass is from a camaro


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #883, 11-19-2004 04:54 PM
      Fastback 86

2 pages back are a desine I am using for fresh air scoops on the B pillers

sqoach (fiero_adam@yahoo.com) MSG #884, 11-19-2004 05:01 PM
      I like it, except for those...supertraps! My eyes keep going right to those big ugly things sticking out the back. The car looks nice and sleek, but those stick out like a sore thumb. Just an opinion. The car still looks good anyway.



Pyric (fallout@nc.rr.com) MSG #885, 11-19-2004 05:06 PM
      That guy has an engine in his back seat...



USFiero MSG #886, 11-19-2004 06:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by sqoach:

I like it, except for those...supertraps! My eyes keep going right to those big ugly things sticking out the back. The car looks nice and sleek, but those stick out like a sore thumb. Just an opinion. The car still looks good anyway.

I've seen folks get customised covers over the Supertrapp ends. Maybe Skulls if you're gonna follow that motif


ryan.hess (ryan.h@excite.com) MSG #887, 11-19-2004 06:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

ryan.hess
the rear glass is from a camaro

hehe... yeah, it was addressed on page 15ish... This thing's too long. Anybody got the cliff notes??

Dowdian MSG #888, 11-19-2004 09:06 PM
      Cliff's Notes version:
Bubba says on page 1 "Hey, I should take a regular old Fiero and make it a foot longer and make it look like a station wagon. Yeah, and then put a big ol' monster engine and tranny in it, only I'm gonna put it in caddy-whompus."

Nine months pass and on page 12 the stretched, station-wagonish fiero is really taking shape and looking pretty cool, although some people aren't really digging the station-wagonish part. Then, out of the blue on page 14, while sitting in class doublec4 says, "Hey, that thing should be a hatch back, not a wagon!" He puts together a pretty nice photoshop job and Bubba says "Neat, you've got my attention" On page 15, a year in to the project Bobert takes a sawzall to the wagonback and the "N* Under Glass" is born, an deveryone rejoyced.

Here and there, throughout the saga, there are discussions of welding, fiberglass, radiators, brakes and shocks, lots of opinions are bandied about, and everybody and their mother check in to see how things are going in beautiful Bubba-land.

The end...

...or is it???



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #889, 11-20-2004 01:34 AM
      Dowdian

no matter how good it gets they are never what you would call finished there are always improvments
and with the good ideas so far it going to be great Thanks to all the people on PFF

PS: if the thread gets any longer we will have to put it on CD to see it all

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #890, 11-20-2004 07:03 PM
      Meet another PFF member tonight when he came by to pic up the old indy exhasut system .His name here is Eclipse very pleasent fellow and another good
member here at PFF and a pleasure to talk to he got to see my work first hand . The work will continue on the stretch this week before the dreaded snow flies
so the car will be ready for spring and the paint shop


TennT (talgrav@usit.net) MSG #891, 11-21-2004 10:20 AM
      Monster Driveway

You are one good craftsman, Bubba.

TG

[This message has been edited by TennT (edited 11-21-2004).]

Jake_Dragon MSG #892, 11-21-2004 10:25 AM
      I sure would be nice to see this car in person.
Keep up the good work, this is just the kind of inspiration that we need on here.

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 11-21-2004).]

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #893, 11-21-2004 01:19 PM
      New pictures please...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #894, 11-21-2004 02:59 PM
      TennT Jake_Dragon
Thanks you bet Monster Driveway I dont have a garage to work in so I use the next best thing THE Driveway I do everything there including engine changes as I did last weekend with the TD Jetta I drive


Jake_Dragon MSG #895, 11-21-2004 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

TennT Jake_Dragon
Thanks you bet Monster Driveway I dont have a garage to work in so I use the next best thing THE Driveway I do everything there including engine changes as I did last weekend with the TD Jetta I drive

Nothing wrong with working in the driveway
I only have 2 walls


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #896, 11-21-2004 03:07 PM
      NotAFieroAnyLonger


will as soon as the rain lets up , just started to get dry here today hope its nice tomorrow so I can get some work done


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #897, 11-21-2004 03:13 PM
      Jake_Dragon
at lest you have a roof I only have sky and what ever it dumps on me


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #898, 11-21-2004 03:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by achawkins:
Maybe I missed it, or maybe not, but where does the license plate go now?

He doesnt need one....and they could never catch him! ...Its gotten some nice lines bubba, good work. But what about the "stock" taillights...any modding plans for those?
I would love to see someone making custom taillights with leds in a designed pattern.....


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #899, 11-21-2004 05:20 PM
      Fie Ro
I plan on neon tube tail lights in the stock rear lense 3 per side


Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #900, 11-21-2004 05:51 PM
     

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #901, 11-21-2004 07:02 PM
      Fie Ro
I just hope I can still get the soft clear silicone to put the lights into as it is getting hard to find again

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Eclipse (jay.brintnell@gmail.com) MSG #902, 11-21-2004 10:41 PM
      Thanks for the kind words Bubba! You are truly a man who loves his work. Your car is work of art! Gotta get her down here for the Spring SOFA cruise.

As for working in the driveway, that's all I have too. I just had 12 tonnes of gravel dropped in back in September and had to push the car out so they wouldn't bury it ;}



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #903, 11-22-2004 10:44 PM
     
^^^^Bump^^^


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #904, 11-23-2004 02:48 PM
      did not feel like dodging rain drops today so I started to restor the indy nose emblem but not in black
I fist removed the old enamel finish with a propane torch has to be supper hot to remove it as hard enamel is next to imposible to remove . With the old finish off I got some casting clear resin and crimson red colorant and golden orange metal flake and filled in the old enamel area

once done I sanded the entire surface to remove the unwanted resin and flake then covered it with more resin with deap red dye in it and am waiting for it to harden then sand again the with a home made plater I will gold plate it the cover with clear resin to finish it off

I will post more as I progress today

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 11-23-2004).]

88White3.4GT MSG #905, 11-23-2004 02:53 PM
      Wow, sharp...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #906, 11-23-2004 02:55 PM
      just think you can do an indy emdlem any colour you like or just make it look like new

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #907, 11-23-2004 08:08 PM
      the second layer has hardend and have sanded it out now ready for the final step clearing to creat the shine


THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #908, 11-24-2004 04:24 PM
      **Bump**


bubbajoexxx
You got mail!


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #909, 11-24-2004 05:46 PM
      Where

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #910, 11-24-2004 11:00 PM
      That Indy emblem is Sweet!
Does everything you touch turn to gold..??



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #911, 11-25-2004 12:56 PM
      why spend 200 for one when you can fix it for 35 dollars in material I wish I could find a few more damaged ones to experiment with with differant colours and to see if I can make one look original

TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #912, 11-26-2004 12:00 AM
      pretty

Kelvin Vivian (no_18@yahoo.com) MSG #913, 11-26-2004 03:29 AM
      This car takes my vote for best custom. Great work.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #914, 11-26-2004 07:22 PM
      done with 9 coats of clear took this pic flash off here it is flash on extremly shinny


Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #915, 11-28-2004 09:30 PM
     
^^Bump to the top^^


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #916, 11-28-2004 11:03 PM
      with all the rain have not got much donre but hope for a better week this week

NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #917, 11-30-2004 11:25 AM
      BUMP!

USFiero MSG #918, 11-30-2004 11:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


You could have a nice little cottage business like Oreif does with the door tabs.


Jake_Dragon MSG #919, 11-30-2004 07:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

done with 9 coats of clear took this pic flash off here it is flash on extremly shinny

Would make a nice belt buckle.
Now I am going to have to make one


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #920, 11-30-2004 10:37 PM
      please dont start another one of those belt trends... last time it was coke bottle caps next its gonna be car logo's.... all the ricer kids will be running around with Honda and Acura logo's on there belts.... but on the other hadn us COOL people could have INDY and GT badges i mean who else gets to rock a winged horse????



Toddster (toddamelio@gmail.com) MSG #921, 12-01-2004 04:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


Would make a nice belt buckle.
Now I am going to have to make one

Now hold on. 1977 is <----- that way

Jake_Dragon MSG #922, 12-01-2004 04:31 PM
      LOL ok how about a badge, Fiero police.
Plus the big buckles are still going strong in the south.


rims05 (grandturbo05@hotmail.com) MSG #923, 12-01-2004 04:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Plus the big buckles are still going strong in the south.

ya i live in Nebraska and kids that "think" they're cowboys still try to show them off... needless to say they stay in their own little group... lol

Travis


Car Michael MSG #924, 12-01-2004 06:24 PM
      Just thought i would ask.

With the increased length of the car, it almost seams to be begging for Fender flares for the back and possibly the front. i can imagine them on your car, but dont have the photoshop savy to mock it up. have you thought about flares and wider wheelsbase?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #925, 12-01-2004 07:20 PM
      with the rear suspension up grade i have planned i may just have to fair the rear .I am in the process of fabbing up a tube cradle for use with vette rear upper and lower control arms and uprights

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-01-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #926, 12-02-2004 09:31 PM
      will post pics iof the components I will be installing for the rear suspension

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #927, 12-03-2004 03:13 PM
      time to up the anti again as I have started to build the tube cradle for the vette suspension here are some start pics



asyou can see the attaching points for the a arms fully encircle the frame tubes for max strenght, not gut welded on as in this pic

you would have to sever a tube completely to brake one of my brackets of


these are the uprights that bolt to the lower controll arms this is a un equal length A arm setup short uppers long lowers




mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #928, 12-03-2004 03:25 PM
      This should be fun. You're not going to be able to call it a Fiero much longer .

neverendingproject (alanfraz@hotmail.com) MSG #929, 12-03-2004 05:00 PM
      Very cool. I thought about something like that but quickly shoved it to the back of my mind with my plans for casting my own engine etc. Way to go for actually DOing all of this.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #930, 12-03-2004 05:18 PM
      mrfixit58
will have to name it A Piece At A Time By Johnny Cash


Fastback 86 MSG #931, 12-03-2004 05:20 PM
      You're a mad man, Bubba. Please adopt me.

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #932, 12-03-2004 05:35 PM
      What size is that tube? Wall thickness? Are you going to bend it? If so, how? This is turning out to be one heck of a project. Where in Canada are you at? I gotta come see this thing when it's done!! Very amazing work.

Kris

FieroMikeTDC MSG #933, 12-03-2004 05:44 PM
      WOW! That thing is a monster.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #934, 12-03-2004 05:50 PM
      shop_rat45
1 3/4 by .125 wall the front tube will be curved at each end where it goes into the body mount and cross braced at the suspension points the rear will curve up to the frame then braced back to the center of the a arm attaching points with 1 1/4 inch .125 wall tubing

Toronto

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #935, 12-03-2004 06:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

shop_rat45
1 3/4 by .125 wall the front tube will be curved at each end where it goes into the body mount and cross braced at the suspension points the rear will curve up to the frame then braced back to the center of the a arm attaching points with 1 1/4 inch .125 wall tubing

Toronto

What are you going to use to bend it? Some sort of tube bender? That's the size I want to use for my control arms, but I'm still debating on how to bend them. Also, where are you getting the tube from? Locally? Thanks.

Kris

mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #936, 12-03-2004 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

mrfixit58
will have to name it A Piece At A Time By Johnny Cash

LOL. I get it.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #937, 12-03-2004 07:13 PM
      shop_rat45
the tubing I get from the Metal Super Market here in Toronto and I have control arm tubing and it is not regular tubing it is a special steel alloy
that will resist twisting and I have access to a pipe bender from the Guy,s at RIO automotive and welding here in TO but you can buy pipe benders cheep from Princes Auto in Canada 149 .00 dollars CD from there web site when on sale . I will post a pic of the steel for control arms tomorrow .


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #938, 12-03-2004 07:15 PM
      here is a rough sketch of the new cradle when it will be done


R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #939, 12-03-2004 09:25 PM
      I can't believe I just discovered this thread!!!

What a work of art. Kit car, but custom. Still retains the Fiero poise. Beautiful work. Is that a C5 suspension or C6? The longer wheel base will really help at high speeds. I probably missed it, but how much HP is that motor putting out? (did I read that it was a N*?)

wow.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #940, 12-03-2004 09:53 PM
      C5 rear suspension and it is a N* with over 350 HP

Jake_Dragon MSG #941, 12-03-2004 10:34 PM
      So is this going to be registered as a Fiero or a Kit car?
I wish you lived next door.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #942, 12-03-2004 11:19 PM
      it is still a fiero just improved

tednelson83 (tednelson83@aol.com) MSG #943, 12-04-2004 04:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

started the install here are some pics


you did all that to an indy?!? i mean, i like it, dont get me wrong, but an indy!



Fierobsessed (nstarfiero@aol.com) MSG #944, 12-04-2004 04:24 AM
      IIRC, it only has pace car interior.

Wolfhound (coyadkins@charter.net) MSG #945, 12-04-2004 07:05 AM
      Bubba Joe, for those that missed the Johnny Cash connection, here are the lyrics.
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/cash-johnny/one-piece-at-a-time-767.html
I can hardly wait to see this car finished.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #946, 12-04-2004 09:34 AM
      tednelson83
yes 100% indy but was so bad it was not worth it to simply restore the car and indys with that kind or rust damage are worth nothing when most of the original parts are missing this car was hacked up bad and I dont like scraping Fieros when I still have some hope for them Steve Rossi,s car was just as bad when I rebuilt his to put the 4.9 in it .Most Indy,s in the shape this one was in became parts cars but not this one.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #947, 12-04-2004 09:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierobsessed:

IIRC, it only has pace car interior.


No 100% Indy Saved from the srcap heep


Hairy_Fiero MSG #948, 12-04-2004 01:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by tednelson83:


you did all that to an indy?!? i mean, i like it, dont get me wrong, but an indy!


Settle down it's not like an Indy is going to be worth anything anyway. If your lucky in another 20 years it might double it's original Retail sale value if you have one that's in perfect condition.


Back on topic, like the hidden LCD in the dash good idea.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #949, 12-04-2004 01:54 PM
      40,000 and still climbing , (will it hit 100,000 by the time it is completed) who knows

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #950, 12-04-2004 02:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hairy_Fiero:

Settle down it's not like an Indy is going to be worth anything anyway. If your lucky in another 20 years it might double it's original Retail sale value if you have one that's in perfect condition.


Back on topic, like the hidden LCD in the dash good idea.

The Indy Cars will always be worth good money as there is always a buyer who is willing to pay for a good car in excellent condition and there are quit a few out there I have seen one go for 19,000 US with 17 miles on it and the buyer did not even drive it home he had it trailered so as to keep the milage as close to what it is now and there is another one here in Canada with 6 miles on it and the owner has never driven the car but he also has 5 other pace car replicas from GM in the same condition as he buy,s them for there future value not to drive. The cars he purchased where never driven they came off the trailer right into the warehouse
as aranged with the dealer he ordered them from and have never been titled he only has the original bill of sale .They are still know as new cars untill titled .


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #951, 12-04-2004 02:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

LOL ok how about a badge, Fiero police.
Plus the big buckles are still going strong in the south.

we have a little joke here
Question
what is the defanition of a large belt buckle
answer
Toom stone for a dead d$$k


TaurusThug (roadconephoto@gmail.com) MSG #952, 12-04-2004 02:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

40,000 and still climbing , (will it hit 100,000 by the time it is completed) who knows

who said it would ever finish

riley MSG #953, 12-04-2004 02:20 PM
      its funny how even on page 24 you have pff regulars coming on this thread and saying how they just found it and cant believe it.i think it took me 8 pages to finally find the thread. its been great ever since.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #954, 12-04-2004 02:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TaurusThug:


who said it would ever finish

True
a true custom never gets done as no matter how much is done there is always some more to be done to improve the car


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #955, 12-04-2004 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by riley:

its funny how even on page 24 you have pff regulars coming on this thread and saying how they just found it and cant believe it.i think it took me 8 pages to finally find the thread. its been great ever since.


And I thank You for the kind words

Bubbajoexxx

Jake_Dragon MSG #956, 12-04-2004 02:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by riley:

its funny how even on page 24 you have pff regulars coming on this thread and saying how they just found it and cant believe it.i think it took me 8 pages to finally find the thread. its been great ever since.

I never loose it its one of my favorites, page one every time.

zMacK (zmackk@gmail.com) MSG #957, 12-04-2004 07:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

C5 rear suspension and it is a N* with over 350 HP


You are a pure artist.... Amazing work you can do.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #958, 12-04-2004 08:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by zMacK:

You are a pure artist.... Amazing work you can do.


Thank You


Rickady88GT (rjkmfam@sbcglobal.net) MSG #959, 12-05-2004 03:12 AM
      WOW nice
May I sugest you put a frame mount from the cradle to the space frame at or near the front A arm mount. The cradle is kind of long and seems like it would be a good idea to make it a structural member by adding a few more mounting points. The stock Fiero cradle mounting points are weak. But I am sure you fixed that.


Fieroking (sokolja@roadrunner.com) MSG #960, 12-05-2004 07:31 AM
      This is way kool But have you had it running yet ?? And what do you plan to do with the car Drag it ?? i dont think even with the corvett lower control arms, It wont handle its to long and has a fat Ass

Joe Sokol

topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #961, 12-05-2004 07:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fieroking:

This is way kool But have you had it running yet ?? And what do you plan to do with the car Drag it ?? i dont think even with the corvett lower control arms, It wont handle its to long and has a fat Ass

Joe Sokol

You know when I read this post, I actually laughed out loud... There had to be at least one of these comments I guess . Bubba, keep this thread going... you are creating a legend on par with GBCT and the Stinger. I am anxiously (but patiently) waiting to see the entire project completed. Creative!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #962, 12-05-2004 11:07 AM
      no this is being built as a cruse show car and it is going full vette suspension uper and lower arms and the stut rplaced with twin coil overs

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #963, 12-05-2004 11:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fieroking:

This is way kool But have you had it running yet ?? And what do you plan to do with the car Drag it ?? i dont think even with the corvett lower control arms, It wont handle its to long and has a fat Ass

Joe Sokol

and yes the car is fully funtional it drives and runs My days of building drag car ended 20 years ago with my pro stock Chevette

DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #964, 12-05-2004 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by topcat:

Bubba, keep this thread going... you are creating a legend on par with GBCT and the Stinger. I am anxiously (but patiently) waiting to see the entire project completed. Creative!

I have to agree that this car will be another first in the Fiero World. and as much as I love the GBCT, I think I would trade Bubba cars anyday.



spearce (spearce52@rogers.com) MSG #965, 12-05-2004 08:06 PM
     

Hi Joe

It was great to meet and talk with you this afternoon. Seeing the and hearing the car in person has given me the shot in the arm to get mine going. Time to makle room in the garage for my new project.

Steve

Fieroking (sokolja@roadrunner.com) MSG #966, 12-05-2004 08:14 PM
      ok that is all i wanted to know i have been following it It is way kool. I just must have missed the post about you havein it runnin.

Joe

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #967, 12-05-2004 10:59 PM
      spearce
should you need any help Just let me know and nice to meet you to I enjoyed the visit

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #968, 12-07-2004 04:18 PM
      got the forward and rear cross tubes bent today and will start mock up of the pieces tonight and will post pics also

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-07-2004).]

Formula MSG #969, 12-07-2004 06:11 PM
      Bubba,

I got your mounts a while back, they look great!

Thanks

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #970, 12-07-2004 06:57 PM
      here are some pics so far


you can see my home made tube notcher in ths pic as I notch the front hoop to the corect length


some pics not as clear as they should be as my shed is kinda small

the gig works failly whell as the notches fit tight


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #971, 12-07-2004 08:17 PM
      OMG!!

Where is that picture of the jaw dropping down..??

Steve

ps. Bubba , I emailed you about the mounts and the dist. for a 92 that will have the 4412 on it.... Can you get back to me please sir..??




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #972, 12-08-2004 12:19 AM
      NotAFieroAnyLonger
my email is bubbajoexx@sprint.ca msn did not change it in the site


NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #973, 12-08-2004 08:35 AM
      Thanks... I will email you later tonight when I get off work!

Steve

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #974, 12-08-2004 01:38 PM
      progress so far Front conection to the frame done and lower control tubes spaced and welded on



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #975, 12-08-2004 07:38 PM
      tomorrow I willl start the cross arms and the swing arm mpounts so I can get it into the car

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #976, 12-10-2004 09:51 PM
      added the rear hoop and a arm brackets today and hope to start on the renforcements this weekend to get the next step done removing the old cradle from the car


[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-10-2004).]

USFiero1 MSG #977, 12-10-2004 10:04 PM
      Looks good. I'm looking at the pic's and can't help but wonder if you heated/bent the right side of the A arm? It looks to have been bent but I'm just wondering..

Like the cradle design overall should suit that long rear end nicely.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #978, 12-11-2004 05:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by USFiero1:

Looks good. I'm looking at the pic's and can't help but wonder if you heated/bent the right side of the A arm? It looks to have been bent but I'm just wondering..

Like the cradle design overall should suit that long rear end nicely.

nothey are not bent that is the dirt on them they have not been cleaned yet under coat stains

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #979, 12-11-2004 05:20 PM
      did the rear cross bars and front renforcments today here are the shots





boristheblade MSG #980, 12-11-2004 05:47 PM
      Puuurdy.

shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #981, 12-11-2004 06:36 PM
      Very very nice!!! I can't wait to see it finished. Still amazed with your work!!

Kris

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #982, 12-11-2004 07:45 PM
      There wont be much "fiero" left when you're finished! Wow.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #983, 12-11-2004 09:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

There wont be much "fiero" left when you're finished! Wow.

90% of the car is still fiero 0nly 10% has been changed but that 10% will make a big diferance in handeling ride and looks and power




Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #984, 12-12-2004 04:58 PM
     
^^^ Bumping it up T T T ^^^


NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #985, 12-13-2004 01:11 PM
      Kewl.. I think you've lost your mind.. and I like it....

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #986, 12-14-2004 09:29 PM
      been workin on a customers parts today but will be back at the tube cradle tomorrow and will post my progress for all to see

Formula MSG #987, 12-14-2004 10:30 PM
      I wish you lived closer, I would be over there helping during these breaks I get off from school and work!

Excellent job on this car

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #988, 12-15-2004 03:29 PM
      here is the latest progress on the tube cradle


most of the tubes are in now just 4 more pieces and it will be ready to put into the car

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Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #989, 12-15-2004 03:33 PM
      Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

Simply incredible! (spelling?)



Fiero38SC (jrhaughey@gmail.com) MSG #990, 12-15-2004 04:44 PM
      Needs a few motor mounts and powdercoat it and it will be truly awsome.


Looks great.


OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #991, 12-15-2004 06:35 PM
      Usually I am impressed by nothing......................but this is the most amazing thing I have seen in a very long time.
From what the car started from, to what it has turned into just boggles the mind to no end. The skills being used to make this happen makes me glad I am part of this forum, THIS is just something you do NOT get a chance to see everyday and it has me going to great lengths to get to any computer (crashed hard drive) to see what new updates come about.


Nashco (nashco@hotmail.com) MSG #992, 12-15-2004 10:00 PM
      Sorry for the "ME TOO"...just wanted to give you another pat on the back, the progress looks great! I'm always baffled why people think it's so hard to make a tubular cradle, you just showed how quick it can be if you've got a little experience, some drive, and a good idea of what you want.

Bryce
88 GT


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #993, 12-16-2004 10:48 AM
      Thanks for the coments I am hoping to get the old cradle out this weekend so I can fit the new mounts and the rear attaching point done on the new one

LS1 Troy (troyshawgo@gmail.com) MSG #994, 12-16-2004 03:18 PM
      This thing is awsome. Bubbajoe, you are a very talented craftsmen. Now maybe I missed something, but how are the upper control arms going to mount? Directly to the space frame or something else entirely? I can't wait to see this installed on the car.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks,
Troy



ezramore MSG #995, 12-16-2004 03:52 PM
      Are ther any plans for power steering in the near future. Glad to see this still going. Looks great.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #996, 12-16-2004 04:23 PM
      LS1 Troy

I will be mounting the cradle solid no rubber at all and the upper arms will be mounted to a renforced center frame rail with new mounting tabs and the shock towers removed and a new chassie stifener installed in there place

LS1 Troy (troyshawgo@gmail.com) MSG #997, 12-16-2004 04:27 PM
      That sounds really cool and quite slick (much like the rest of your car). I can't wait to see the pictures.

Later,
Troy


Formula MSG #998, 12-16-2004 05:19 PM
      thats a nice cradle
-----
O/T
Do you build distributors for 4.9 carb swaps that you sell?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #999, 12-16-2004 08:02 PM
      Formula
I will look for the parts if I find some I can do it not in the best of shape to rumble around the scap yards


BV MotorSports (sbvincent@yahoo.com) MSG #1000, 12-16-2004 08:22 PM
      Hey Bubba, just an idea but I would gusset alot of those joints on the cradle mostly around the mounting points fo the A arms and cradle to body areas. If your not sure, a chassis fabricator could probably point out to you the "weak" spots (im too lazy to whip up a photoshop pic). BTW keep up the good work!



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1001, 12-16-2004 09:09 PM
      WOW! 1000 posts.

Congratulations Bubba. This guys work is just incredible. A man once said that Bubba works in a small garage (shed) but has a big garage in his head.

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shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #1002, 12-16-2004 09:20 PM
      Bubbajoe, have you considered doing a cantilever (sp?) style suspension instead? It shouldn't be too hard would it? If not, how are you going to eliminate the rear tie rods? Great work!!!

Kris

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1003, 12-16-2004 09:44 PM
      shop_rat45
the vette suspension uses tie rods and have to be installed but because the a arms are square to the chassie there is no bump steer


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1004, 12-16-2004 09:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bobert:

WOW! 1000 posts.

Congratulations Bubba. This guys work is just incredible. A man once said that Bubba works in a small garage (shed) but has a big garage in his head.


no just a whole group of enginers in there


oddballracing (oddballracing@yahoo.com) MSG #1005, 12-17-2004 09:22 AM
      Simply incredable! I am among the throngs awaiting the completion of your project, not to metion gleening as much as possible for application on my own Fiero! With a N* motor, Porsche tranny, 'Vette suspension, and new interior I have to wonder, have you thought about entering your car in the Sport Compact Car Street Car Challange? I guarantee you'll get the vote of every member of this board to say the least!

Best of luck and keep up the good work! oh, and, when does the kit come out?! ;-)

Karl



topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #1006, 12-17-2004 10:30 AM
      You know I had not thought about it until reading the last post. This is the ultimate hybrid car.

- Firebird Dash
- Camaro Rear Hatch
- Northstar Engine
- Vette Suspension
- Porsche Tranny
- Custom Cradle
- Vett Wheels

What else? I know I missed something.

tesmith66 MSG #1007, 12-17-2004 10:49 AM
      American car & parts, German tranny, Canadian evil genius.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1008, 12-17-2004 02:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by tesmith66:

American car & parts, German tranny, Canadian evil genius.

now you did it my wife made take off my shirt to see if I had black wings

LOL



OH10fiero (scottfiero27@aol.com) MSG #1009, 12-17-2004 03:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by tesmith66:

American car & parts, German tranny, Canadian evil genius.

There appears to be some Italian designing in there as well.
Hey Bubba, you can probably make a little off your creation by charging a fee for a one mile drive in it, I know I would pay to be seen driving the car.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1010, 12-17-2004 07:27 PM
      OH10fiero

and this mite be my next if I ever have the money the ultimit rebody for a Fiero
Know as the worlds sexiest car rear engine transverse mounted here is a pic

perfectly souted for the Fiero platform with a 5 inch front stretch



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1011, 12-17-2004 07:31 PM
      here is the latest so far we positioned the rear a arms and tacked the brackets in place for final welding and trial fitted the arms and uprights


and made up an engine cross support so we can remove the old cradle


Dowdian MSG #1012, 12-17-2004 08:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

this mite be my next if I ever have the money the ultimit rebody for a Fiero
Know as the worlds sexiest car rear engine transverse mounted

perfectly souted for the Fiero platform with a 5 inch front stretch


daaaamn! I'm sold.



fierce_gt MSG #1013, 12-17-2004 10:37 PM
      never been a fan of the miura(sp?) myself. i've alsways thought of it as the lambo that wasn't cool looking, lol.
but it did get sexiest car on discovery channel


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1014, 12-17-2004 11:02 PM
      for being built with is style in 1966 it was ahead of its time and the first rear engine transverse car of its kind

Will (william.lucke@gmail.com) MSG #1015, 12-17-2004 11:35 PM
      I think it's a very attractive car, but it's also very similar to the GT40...

That transverse powertrain had its share of problems...

I do agree that the Fiero should have had the front wheels pushed further forward and had bigger fender bulges. That would also have freed up room in the footwells... maybe even for a pedal set that could be heel-toed.

[This message has been edited by Will (edited 12-18-2004).]

jscott1 MSG #1016, 12-18-2004 12:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Will:

I do agree that the Fiero should have had the front wheels pushed further forward...


That also would have prevented the nose from scraping on the slightest of inclines.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1017, 12-18-2004 09:03 PM
      the newest addition to my interior been waiting a long time to get this one

and no i wont sell it

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shop_rat45 (kristopherjune@yahoo.com) MSG #1018, 12-18-2004 10:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

the newest addition to my interior been waiting a long time to get this one

and no i wont sell it

Audi TT??

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1019, 12-18-2004 11:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by shop_rat45:


Audi TT??

yes and will be trimmed and also the consel as well to fit in

spearce (spearce52@rogers.com) MSG #1020, 12-19-2004 10:23 AM
      Hey Joe

I've been looking around and you can use an Audi 01E transaxle from a 2000 and up turbo or S series . It's a 6spd getrag and is suppose to hold 450 to 500 HP & torque uses the same shift linkage as the Fiero getrag ( works the same way ) and rewires no modification. One model in particular is best suited. It has a wider and hardened 1st gear set


Steve


FierOmar (davidcordier@sbcglobal.net) MSG #1021, 12-19-2004 11:51 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
for being built with is style in 1966 it was ahead of its time and the first rear engine transverse car of its kind

Actually, the Miura may not have been the first rear engine transverse car of its kind. The transverse mounted rear engined Unipower GT was initially produced as a sideline project by a truck conversion company in England and was introduced at the 1966 London racing car show. I was a tube frame design with a Mini Cooper drivetrane moved to the rear, effectively creating a midengine design.

The Unipower GT was one of the better looking specials and was quite expensive for its time, due to its having a fibreglass body bonded to a space frame chassis. A unique feature was the gear lever, mounted on the driverís right side (on right hand drive cars... on the driver's left side on left hand drive cars). If you think thatís odd, the change pattern was back to front, resulting in first gear being where fourth normally is and vice versa. Now that would be interesting at the lights! (Took about 20-30 minutes of driving to get used to it.)

These models were renowned for their road holding and performance and continued the tradition established by the Mini, the donor of the good bits. A range of six versions was available starting at a basic kit and progressing to a race ready model. A total of 75 were made. The Unipower GT inspired other builders to release similar types of vehicles and some became quite successful in later years. Only a few of the Unipower GT's made it to North America.

I happened to find one in the early 70's. Kept it for about 4-5 years before I sold it. There is a guy from the Lakeville, MN area that races one in vintage races. A photo of his car can be seen here: http://www.minichallenge.minimania.com/entries/entrypix/LombardJ.jpg I have recently made contact with the owner of this car and determined that it is the same on that I used to own.

For additional photos, see: http://www.unipower-gt.com/ENG/36837_eng/36837_eng.htm The car depicted in these photos is purportedly the only left hand drive Unipower GT ever made. This is not accurate as my car was also left hand drive (VIN 96725) and I have seen photos of at least one other left hand drive model.

Remember, like the Miura, the Unipower GT was designed in the mid 60's. Mine was built in 1967. IMHO, very nice looking for its time. Looks a bit like a 3/4 size Lotus Europa. However, I must concede that the Miura was a better looking car... hard to beat those Italians when it come to design. BTW, if you want to see some nice shots of a Miura in action, check out the original version of "The Italian Job"... lot of early Mini Coopers as well.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1022, 12-19-2004 12:02 PM
      FierOmar
production of the Miura was started in mid 65 for the 66 model year and was stated as the first of it kind as a production veicle
and I have both copies of the Italian Job the first being my favorite

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-19-2004).]

FierOmar (davidcordier@sbcglobal.net) MSG #1023, 12-19-2004 12:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:
FierOmar
production of the Miura was started in mid 65 for the 66 model year and was stated as the first of it kind as a production veicle and I have both copies of the Italian Job the first being my favorite

Since the Unipower was unveiled at that 66 London show, I can only assume that it had been in the process of production for some time prior to that, particularly since it was a sideline for the company that actually produced it. I know that the Unipower was never mass produced... only about 75 in total. I don't know about the numbers for the Miura.

I also have both copies of The Italian Job, and the first is also my favorite (except that I prefer not to be left hanging at the end of a movie). Glad to see that we think alike... now if only I had your fabrication skills!

I seem to recall that the film critics gave the first version of The Italian Job a 5 TON rating when it was released. Always wondered what happened to the Miura.



Hairy_Fiero MSG #1024, 12-19-2004 12:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FierOmar:


The transverse mounted rear engined Unipower GT was initially produced as a sideline project by a truck conversion company in England and was introduced at the 1966 London racing car show. I was a tube frame design with a Mini Cooper drivetrane moved to the rear, effectively creating a midengine design.

The Unipower GT was one of the better looking specials and was quite expensive for its time, due to its having a fibreglass body bonded to a space frame chassis. A unique feature was the gear lever, mounted on the driverís right side (on right hand drive cars... on the driver's left side on left hand drive cars). If you think thatís odd, the change.....


When you cut and paste 3/4's or more of your post it's probably a good idea to link everyone to your source(s)..

http://groups.msn.com/MiniFanClub/minivariantsandspecials.msnw



FierOmar (davidcordier@sbcglobal.net) MSG #1025, 12-19-2004 12:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Hairy_Fiero:

When you cut and paste 3/4's or more of your post it's probably a good idea to link everyone to your source(s)..
http://groups.msn.com/MiniFanClub/minivariantsandspecials.msnw

Not bad... but that was not my source. Keep searching. Are you suggesting that if something bears repeating it should not be?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1026, 12-19-2004 12:39 PM
      FierOmar
the Miura was actualy send down that cliff and was distroyed It was an original wreck purchased for the movie and there wasto the best of my knoledge 750 Miuras made

Quote from a noted lambo site

Lamborghini ended production of the Miura SV when it built s/n 4822 on October 12, 1973. Just over 750 Miuras were built.

The Miura came into the world as a chassis, and was first presented at the 1965 Trino Salone dell'Automobile (Turin Automobile Show) in November. That the reception was immediate and overwelming is not hard to understand. At that time the mid-engine layout was new; it had taken hold as the chassis of choice in various European racing classes, and had recently been introduced to fans of the Indy 500. As a road car, while not unheard of, it was rare; as a high powered road car it was nothing short of revolutionary.

more can be found here

http://www.web-cars.com/miura/

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FierOmar (davidcordier@sbcglobal.net) MSG #1027, 12-19-2004 01:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

FierOmar
the Miura was actualy send down that cliff and was distroyed It was an original wreck purchased for the movie and there wasto the best of my knoledge 750 Miuras made

Quote from a noted lambo site

Lamborghini ended production of the Miura SV when it built s/n 4822 on October 12, 1973. Just over 750 Miuras were built.

The Miura came into the world as a chassis, and was first presented at the 1965 Trino Salone dell'Automobile (Turin Automobile Show) in November. That the reception was immediate and overwelming is not hard to understand. At that time the mid-engine layout was new; it had taken hold as the chassis of choice in various European racing classes, and had recently been introduced to fans of the Indy 500. As a road car, while not unheard of, it was rare; as a high powered road car it was nothing short of revolutionary.

more can be found here

http://www.web-cars.com/miura/

There were other mid engine cars in production prior to 1965; the Porsche 904 comes to mind. See:
http://www.hillmanimages.com/912/904.html This wasn't the first midengine Porsche, but the earlier RSK was primarily for racing. See: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5399/mc-p718.html

However, based upon the information you have provided, it appears that the Miura was the first transverse mounted. I can't think of another transverse mounted mid engine car prior to 64-65.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1028, 12-19-2004 01:57 PM
      FierOmar
I would agree with you that there were other rear engine apps but Miura was the first tranverse I have been a fan of the Miura as long as I can remember and when the Fiero came out I bought one and have owned them since


ezramore MSG #1029, 12-20-2004 05:02 PM
      with the motor directly bolted to the frame you are going to feel every rev of the engine.

Jake_Dragon MSG #1030, 12-20-2004 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ezramore:

with the motor directly bolted to the frame you are going to feel every rev of the engine.

SO

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1031, 12-20-2004 06:10 PM
      ezramore
the engine is on mounts and not frame mounted


ezramore MSG #1032, 12-21-2004 10:49 AM
      I will be mounting the cradle solid no rubber at all and the upper arms will be mounted to a renforced center frame rail with new mounting tabs and the shock towers removed and a new chassie stifener installed in there place

< sorry wasnt sure what was meant here at first.

i was thinking an engine that big directley mounted to the frame would do nome nasty frame twisting, not to mention shake you to pieces. i had an old ford i descided to mount without the rubber due to lack of space it was like the engine was in my lap. althought cool at first it became annoying for long drives quite fast.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1033, 12-21-2004 12:12 PM
      ezramore
the trans axle is mounted to the center frame rail and the engine to chev mounts on the cradle the cadle will be mounted with aluminum bushings in the front and the rear solid to the center frame rails to eliminate twisting

this is the rear trans mount

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-21-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1034, 12-21-2004 06:14 PM
      picked up a 87 nose and rear bumper and round trim yesterday to be used on the stretch and will be making a new nose spoiler for the new front nose

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1035, 12-23-2004 10:38 AM
      well I dont think I will get much done over the hollidays as we here in TO got snowed on 10 inches in my yard all cleaned but freezing rain has started now have to deal with the ice in the drive way . Guess i will have to wait till it clears up know

USFiero MSG #1036, 12-23-2004 07:43 PM
      I'd like to see a power sunroof mod. Staying with the Skull theme? Wish I was your neighbor, I'd be putting in all the hydraulic lifts for the front rear trunks, window rollup/down remote light show stuff (holograms, lasers, fog, skeleton hands popping out of consoles, flames of hell, whatever) This car is speshul. How 'bout the audio system?You're gonna polish those control arms, right?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1037, 12-24-2004 12:31 AM
      got a full DVD and audio system by BOSS for the car and daul moniters one hiden in the dash air bag location and the other in the sun visor

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1038, 12-24-2004 01:57 PM
      heres a pic of what fell yesterday

good for Christmas but no good to work in as my drive way in the back of the house is solid Ice

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1039, 12-24-2004 01:59 PM
      Have a Happy Holiday

jscott1 MSG #1040, 12-26-2004 02:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

got a full DVD and audio system by BOSS for the car and daul moniters one hiden in the dash air bag location

Darn it! I wanted to be the first Fiero with this... Oh well, I have to come up with something else clever to be the first at.

Formula88 MSG #1041, 12-26-2004 01:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

OH10fiero

and this mite be my next if I ever have the money the ultimit rebody for a Fiero
Know as the worlds sexiest car rear engine transverse mounted here is a pic

perfectly souted for the Fiero platform with a 5 inch front stretch

Ok, who do I have to kill to get you to build one for me?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1042, 12-27-2004 12:13 PM
      I will be starting the proto type some time next year and once it is done I will then decide if I will make it avalable as a kit so stay tuned

Formula88 MSG #1043, 12-27-2004 12:54 PM
      I was just watching a Top Gear Lamborghini episode with the Miura. What an incredible automobile. V12, top speed 180, and in the 1960's!! Beautiful styling, although it could use more modern rubber.

I loved a couple of the interesting bits they mentioned about the car....

"The fuel tank is over the front wheels, so as you run low on petrol the front end goes light and you can't steer. Nice."
"...and every once in a while the carbureators will spit some petrol on the exhaust and the whole car will go up in flames."

Sounds like a great candidate for a Fiero rebody.

ezramore MSG #1044, 12-29-2004 10:36 AM
      bump

MinnGreenGT (minngreengt@gmail.com) MSG #1045, 12-29-2004 11:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by FierOmar:

There is a guy from the Lakeville, MN area that races one in vintage races.

Whoa - that's literally just up the road from me (I actually graduated from Lakeville HS)... Now I'm trying to recall if I've seen that car in any vintage races - I'll have to keep my eye out for it now!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1046, 12-29-2004 06:06 PM
      Hollidays are almost over and it will be time to get back to work on the rear suspension setup
I want toget it ready to install so I can make the upper mounting pioints for the upper control arms :l

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-29-2004).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1047, 01-05-2005 05:11 PM
      bubba get to work needed a reminder LOL

FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #1048, 01-05-2005 07:19 PM
      i just got a reminder of this kit car, it looks like a familiar setup it has a c5vette suspension, space frame chassis, porsche transmision, and a GM V8 in the trunk! weighs around 2500 too! Well looks like this car of this car being built will be just as bad ass as this
http://factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1049, 01-07-2005 09:17 AM
      I have seen it and have the package on Factory % products they make great poducts

lou_dias (loudfiero@gmail.com) MSG #1050, 01-08-2005 02:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

I have seen it and have the package on Factory % products they make great poducts

their facility is 1/2 hour drive from me, my brother used to be in there shipping and receiving dept and I did some computer work for them...I tried to get them to do Fiero kits... Didn't work though

NY_FIERO (timg@expressmart.com) MSG #1051, 01-10-2005 10:40 AM
      you are crazy..... (bump)


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1052, 01-12-2005 03:30 PM
     

got my new gass cap cover today and will start molding a holder for it to mount it into the body

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1053, 01-12-2005 03:45 PM
     
Hey that's mine !!! J/K (I wish)


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1054, 01-13-2005 07:50 PM
      I finished the mounting tub and now have to put in the screw mounts into it so I can mount it into the body




BobadooFunk (bobadoofunk@gmail.com) MSG #1055, 01-13-2005 08:20 PM
      looks like a toilet......=P

jstricker (jstricke@rwisp.com) MSG #1056, 01-13-2005 09:30 PM
      That looks pretty slick. Almost aviation-ish. I can't tell, is the release cable operated or electric?

On a side note, on your corvette brake upgrade, are the rear caliper brackets '88 or '87, if one is using the '88 calipers. My thinking would be the '88's, but thought I'd check.

John Stricker


 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

I finished the mounting tub and now have to put in the screw mounts into it so I can mount it into the body




Stinkin_V8 MSG #1057, 01-14-2005 10:14 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


Is that the cover of a CD spindle you used for a mold? Very clever! Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying this thread for a long time. I don't think you should ever finish the car 'cause then I wouldn't get to watch the updates.



Jake_Dragon MSG #1058, 01-14-2005 05:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Stinkin_V8:


Is that the cover of a CD spindle you used for a mold? Very clever! Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying this thread for a long time. I don't think you should ever finish the car 'cause then I wouldn't get to watch the updates.

I was thinking Tupperware bowl
Nice job what is it off of?


Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1059, 01-14-2005 06:39 PM
      2 litre icecream tub worked great

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1060, 01-14-2005 06:41 PM
      jstricker

if you are using 87 calipers use 87 brackets if using the 88 calipers use the 88 brackets the both work with the adapter on the rear

[This message has been edited by Bobert (edited 01-14-2005).]

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1061, 01-14-2005 06:43 PM
      Jake_Dragon

audi tt gas cap solid aluminum no plastic

jstricker (jstricke@rwisp.com) MSG #1062, 01-14-2005 07:04 PM
      Thanks Bobert, those are the last pieces I'm missing and that's what I figured, use the '88 brackets with the '88 calipers. The '88 brackets are still a good GM P/N, the '87 are discontinued.

Thanks again

John Stricker
 
quote
Originally posted by Bobert:

jstricker

if you are using 87 calipers use 87 brackets if using the 88 calipers use the 88 brackets the both work with the adapter on the rear



Jake_Dragon MSG #1063, 01-14-2005 08:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bobert:

Jake_Dragon

audi tt gas cap solid aluminum no plastic

I was talking about what he used as a mold.
Thanks for identifying the door, cant wait to see how it looks installed.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1064, 01-15-2005 12:08 AM
      2 litre icecream tub worked great as a mold

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #1065, 01-17-2005 01:07 AM
     
Nice work. I see this project must be getting to yah. I notice the roll of Tums. Just send the car to CA, I'll take it from here.

[This message has been edited by madcurl (edited 01-17-2005).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1066, 01-21-2005 06:38 PM
      madcurl
no just so cold its hard to get any work in Im hopping for some warmer weather so I can get some work done


MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #1067, 01-21-2005 08:10 PM
      I just found this thread, kinda sad because I wasn't intent on the updates until now. But I will be watching this thread like a hawk. I just have a question or two concerning the dash. I am seriously debating whether or not I should put one of those in my car... I really want to but im not sure that I am as electrically gifted as most others. How much time did you spend wiring your car? and is it a project that could be taken on by a few semi-experienced people? I have a couple of friends who are better at wiring than me and they said they could lend a hand, this is why i ask. THX



mrfixit58 (rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com) MSG #1068, 01-22-2005 08:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MDFierolvr:

I just found this thread, kinda sad because I wasn't intent on the updates until now. But I will be watching this thread like a hawk. I just have a question or two concerning the dash. I am seriously debating whether or not I should put one of those in my car... I really want to but im not sure that I am as electrically gifted as most others. How much time did you spend wiring your car? and is it a project that could be taken on by a few semi-experienced people? I have a couple of friends who are better at wiring than me and they said they could lend a hand, this is why i ask. THX

If you're really interested in doing the dash swap, double-click on the link in my signiture and follow jscott1 and mrfixit58's build-up. If you fast forward to the last page, you'll see what jscott1 is doing to make the gauge cluster a plug-n-play task.

Enjoy,



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1069, 01-26-2005 06:07 PM
      the dash swap is more time consuming than hard if you take your time and use the infor on the other threads you will get though it unscaved

Bobby Amos Albrecht (bobby@united.net) MSG #1070, 01-26-2005 10:24 PM
      HI Joe Bobby here I'm always looking for you on here because your always doing so much and it's really cool . Joe formatted my hard drive and lost your e-mail address so if you could send me a note. I'm doing fine just got new rear rubber on my car yesterday always love driveing it.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1071, 01-30-2005 06:17 PM
      got my remote for my acceseries today a 4 channel should be enough to rune the extras and get ride of extra switches



ezramore MSG #1072, 01-31-2005 09:40 AM
      wow suprised to see a colapsable antenna on a keychain remote. that think must have some descent range. Mine is a clarion and never works unless i am withing about 5 feet of the car. hows the weather out there. i know i speak for many here that i cant wait to see the project pick back up.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1073, 01-31-2005 06:59 PM
      finaly got some work done today replaced the rear bumper and molded in the TT shifter into the firebird consol looks good now if I can get pip working again I will post the pics

Fiero5 MSG #1074, 01-31-2005 09:12 PM
      Cool! More pics

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1075, 01-31-2005 10:18 PM
      http://members.fortunecity.com/bubbajoexx2/id35.htm

here is a link to the newest work done still dont have pip workin

NotAFieroAnyLonger (stelebla@aol.com) MSG #1076, 01-31-2005 10:53 PM
     
Very very nice looking.... Looks stock!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1077, 01-31-2005 11:08 PM
      thanks for posting one of the pics the open area will be filled in with brushed aluminum and the power miror switch and the window switches

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1078, 02-01-2005 09:43 AM
      got my old laptop working and am posting the pics from yesterday






bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1079, 02-01-2005 09:48 AM
      if nice today wil swap out the front bumper and install the shifter



ezramore MSG #1080, 02-01-2005 10:00 AM
      uh oh looks like the exaust tips might be a little crooked.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1081, 02-01-2005 10:12 AM
      ezramore
ya one muffler is loose and drops have to tighten the clamp so it stays in place http://www.atruscorp.com/images/upload_42005ac5a6231.jpg

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1082, 02-01-2005 10:17 AM
      need assistance

I need 2 round door moldings so i can make the new quarter stips have all the other molding but need 2 extra door molding they can be from the same side makes no differance as they will be modified to make the new 1/4 mouldings willing to pay for them if resonable priced

Thanks Bubbajoexxx


Kohburn MSG #1083, 02-01-2005 10:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

thanks for posting one of the pics the open area will be filled in with brushed aluminum and the power miror switch and the window switches

what is that out of?

toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1084, 02-01-2005 10:22 AM
      You said if it's nice today - what's the definition of "nice" weather in February there? Just curious. We're headed for forty this week (NE Ohio).

Car is looking good.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1085, 02-01-2005 10:27 AM
      Kohburn

the center section from a 94 firebird auto counsel with the tt shifterring and boot molded in


Skratch (mskrastins@mac.com) MSG #1086, 02-01-2005 11:08 AM
      Dang that is a smooth molding job!
Looks great, can't wait to see it in the car.



Kohburn MSG #1087, 02-01-2005 11:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Kohburn

the center section from a 94 firebird auto counsel with the tt shifterring and boot molded in

impressive work - looks like a stock part

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1088, 02-01-2005 11:42 AM
      toddshotrods

Nice here for BubbaJoe is anytime it is not raining or snowing. Just imagine what he'd get done if he was working in a heated garage!

[This message has been edited by Bobert (edited 02-01-2005).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1089, 02-01-2005 11:43 AM
      just finished the brushed fill



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1090, 02-01-2005 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

need assistance

I need 2 round door moldings so i can make the new quarter stips have all the other molding but need 2 extra door molding they can be from the same side makes no differance as they will be modified to make the new 1/4 mouldings willing to pay for them if resonable priced

Thanks Bubbajoexxx

Please guy's there has to be some one with a spare set of round door mouldings I need a set bad and they can be for any side as long as I have 2, right or lefts makes no differance



gusshotrod (gushotrod@aol.com) MSG #1091, 02-02-2005 12:51 AM
      I've got a full set I won't be using. Let me know.

gusshotrod (gushotrod@aol.com) MSG #1092, 02-02-2005 12:52 AM
      oops

[This message has been edited by gusshotrod (edited 02-02-2005).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1093, 02-02-2005 09:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by gusshotrod:

I've got a full set I won't be using. Let me know.

pm me and let me know what you want for the set

thanks

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #1094, 02-02-2005 10:12 AM
      Cool! You beat me with the TT shifter! Mine should look a bit like this when finished:


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1095, 02-02-2005 10:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:

Cool! You beat me with the TT shifter! Mine should look a bit like this when finished:

I love the progress of you new dash so far and here is a suggestion for the blank space under you vent outlet cover with the same fabric you are using on the counseland install a tweeter behind it would work great in that location and the fabric will bring the whole look together just a suggestion



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1096, 02-02-2005 10:32 AM
      doublec4

I need your assistance on a photo shop before i cut into the new bumper can you do a poto shop on the rear bumper and insert grill mesh into the groves where the marker lights are would like to see the affect it has on the looks here is a bumper pic

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 02-02-2005).]

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #1097, 02-02-2005 01:05 PM
      Thanks for the suggestions..! Now I played with yours.. something you can do with some leftovers...

better one

[This message has been edited by Fie Ro (edited 02-02-2005).]

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1098, 02-02-2005 02:33 PM
      did some more today replaced the front bumper and installed the shifter cover here are some pics







bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1099, 02-02-2005 02:36 PM
      here is a pic of why i need a pair of round door mouldings



DotTC MSG #1100, 02-02-2005 02:36 PM
      I like that interior



ezramore MSG #1101, 02-02-2005 03:09 PM
      wow the interior is looking awsome.



Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #1102, 02-02-2005 03:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

This one looks the best Ive seen so far! Some sleek look, so did you modify the steel tunnel or could you work around it?


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #1103, 02-02-2005 05:13 PM
      Looks like someone else beat me to the photoshop but I want to play around with a few pics anyways. Right now I'm living away from home and I dont have photoshop here but I'll see if I can find a version and do some pictures for you.

MDFierolvr (sabre628@aol.com) MSG #1104, 02-02-2005 05:35 PM
      Wow.... Just wow. Ive been watching your dash come together and all I can say is... wow

My one question to you bubbajoexxx is do you think someone with minor experience could do that conversion... I love the way that looks. Ohh and dont ever post your address, just a tip so you can keep your car.

j/k I love how you extended the frame too... ingenious



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1105, 02-02-2005 05:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fie Ro:


This one looks the best Ive seen so far! Some sleek look, so did you modify the steel tunnel or could you work around it?


minor trimming of the side brace to drop the counsel into place


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1106, 02-03-2005 04:36 PM
      sorced out some perforated aluminum today will have to go to the shop to check it out and see what it looks like
It is needed for the net faze of constrution comming soon


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1107, 02-04-2005 02:53 PM
      the weather is cooperating with me again today so I got a lttle more done finished the shifter and started the gass filler cap here are some pics




Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #1108, 02-04-2005 02:59 PM
      This car would seriously benefit from a norms front end. Anyway it will be one sick ride. I cant wait.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1109, 02-04-2005 03:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT:

This car would seriously benefit from a norms front end. Anyway it will be one sick ride. I cant wait.

nice but I cant get past the head lights they just dont fit my taste to bulky



Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1110, 02-04-2005 07:36 PM
      The fuel door looks awesome ! I want one too...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1111, 02-04-2005 10:53 PM
      well if mine goes missin and I see one on your car I know where it came from .lol

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1112, 02-04-2005 10:56 PM
      I am hoping it is nice tomorrow so I can get the glass work done or I will have to pull out the heat gun

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #1113, 02-05-2005 12:39 AM
      This is coming out beautifull, keep up the good job.
Where did you get the steering wheel cover from ? it looks great.
I am wondering what color you are planning on painting it. I am sure whatever it is it will look great.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1114, 02-05-2005 01:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

This is coming out beautifull, keep up the good job.
Where did you get the steering wheel cover from ? it looks great.
I am wondering what color you are planning on painting it. I am sure whatever it is it will look great.

thats not a cover it is the actual leather wheel re'died the new colour and the car will be done n tangerine peral metalic


jscott1 MSG #1115, 02-05-2005 01:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:


What speedometer are you using? It looks like a 110 MPH version... FIrst of all since you are in Canada I would have expected a KPH version, and second since you have a V8 I would have expected a 150 MPH version. What's the deal?


magot (rednotchy@aol.com) MSG #1116, 02-05-2005 02:03 PM
      good job. What are you going to do about the E-Brake hole in the center consol?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1117, 02-05-2005 05:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jscott1:

What speedometer are you using? It looks like a 110 MPH version... FIrst of all since you are in Canada I would have expected a KPH version, and second since you have a V8 I would have expected a 150 MPH version. What's the deal?

the car was a US model and came with the v6 110 mph speedo am looking for a 94 v8 speedo to get the 150 mph


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1118, 02-05-2005 05:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by magot:

good job. What are you going to do about the E-Brake hole in the center consol?

going to install a plate to mount led warning lights



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1119, 02-05-2005 05:35 PM
     

this is a sample of the perf i will use in the engine compartment

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1120, 02-06-2005 07:06 PM
      well it has begun the suspension swap here are the pics bob took most of the pics we worked hard at it today

first we put the car up on 6 stands to keep the car level



the using my home made engine support we floated the engine up off the frame

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1121, 02-06-2005 07:11 PM
      I guess I own this page

now with the engine floating the cradle was removed and the new cradle was then test fitted into the car


as you can see in the pics some of the welds are not finished till the whole cradle is finished completely just in case some ajustment are needed

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1122, 02-06-2005 07:43 PM
     
with the cradle in place I can begin to mock up the uprights and upper control arms
and here is a pic of the old cradle removed from the car




topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #1123, 02-06-2005 07:59 PM
      Bubba, you make this stuff look way too easy. That is a very creative way to swap the cradle whle keeping the engine in the car!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1124, 02-06-2005 08:09 PM
      whats nice with my setup is the trans is hung from the chassie and not attached to the cradle so it make cradle removal quit easy

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topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #1125, 02-06-2005 08:18 PM
      double post....

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1126, 02-06-2005 09:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by topcat:

double post....

it happens now and then



riley MSG #1127, 02-07-2005 01:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by topcat:

Bubba, you make this stuff look way too easy.

That is so true, unbelievable work bubba



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1128, 02-07-2005 12:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by riley:


That is so true, unbelievable work bubba

THANK YOU

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #1129, 02-07-2005 02:03 PM
      thumbs up!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1130, 02-07-2005 08:31 PM
      bad weather today did not get anything done rain is for ducks

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1131, 02-08-2005 04:11 PM
     

got some work in today removed the old suspension and made up the new coilovers
and stated to mock up the new uprights so I can make the upper controll arm mounts




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1132, 02-08-2005 06:02 PM
      one more pic of the rear upright




bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1133, 02-08-2005 11:25 PM
      Todshotrods

I willpost the bearing size and knucke sizes tomorrow for you

doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #1134, 02-08-2005 11:50 PM
      Bubba,

I got your photoshop request done and I did a little extra to make up for the time I took .... I had to find a copy and install it on the computer where I'm living for the hockey season.

I added a rear diffuser, added the mesh where the reflectors used to be, changed the tips a bit, smoothed a few things out, and of course took a shot at painting the car tangerine. I believe you mentioned that colour somewhere in this massive thread. Let me know what you think:



toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1135, 02-09-2005 12:02 AM
      Thanks Bubbajoe! I would have a huge smile like that too if my car was looking this good!



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1136, 02-09-2005 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by doublec4:

Bubba,

I got your photoshop request done and I did a little extra to make up for the time I took .... I had to find a copy and install it on the computer where I'm living for the hockey season.

I added a rear diffuser, added the mesh where the reflectors used to be, changed the tips a bit, smoothed a few things out, and of course took a shot at painting the car tangerine. I believe you mentioned that colour somewhere in this massive thread. Let me know what you think:


now you have given me an Idea of how to use the old rear wing hollow out the inside ture it upside down and mount and blend it into the rear bumper lower edge to form the diffuser and widen it to attach it to the new rear cradle great work you really get the gears turning in my head
THANKS Bubbajoexxx


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #1137, 02-09-2005 01:44 PM
      thats a pretty good idea.... the old rear wing would make a good piece to start with for the diffuser. Nice thinking and let me know if you need any other p/s work done.

Black-Azz-GT (chris@hawkscay.tv) MSG #1138, 02-09-2005 02:24 PM
      /\/\/\/\ That PS looks great! sodose the cradle Bubba

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1139, 02-09-2005 02:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:

Thanks Bubbajoe! I would have a huge smile like that too if my car was looking this good!



these pics have the dimentions that you needed if you need more fell free to ask




toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1140, 02-09-2005 06:06 PM
      Thank you very much! That's a C5 rear bearing right?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1141, 02-09-2005 07:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:

Thank you very much! That's a C5 rear bearing right?

2000 upright and bearing from a C5


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1142, 02-11-2005 10:29 PM
      got some of the rear mounting plates done to night so I can assemble them on sunday will post pics then

88fieroformula (michael_nikkel@yahoo.com) MSG #1143, 02-12-2005 03:28 AM
      I totally admire the work that is being done on this car, but...It is just too long. I think that is the only thing that I dont like about it. I mean no offense at all. Great job Bubba.



toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1144, 02-13-2005 03:00 AM
      I emailed you...

Is this the biggest thread in the history of PFF?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1145, 02-13-2005 04:03 PM
      well got the rear mounts done and started to mock up the upperr controll arms in the car will be removing the old stut towers and installing a ladder style chassie cross bar to stiffen the upper frame rails. Here are the pics so far



as you can see here the rubber mounts in the rear have been elliminated
in favor of sold mounting

have also changed the rear bearings to S10 as they are the same dia. as the vette just had to move the holes outward 30 thou.
now I can keep my axles



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1146, 02-13-2005 04:06 PM
     

here is a good shot of what the front of the new cradle looks like in the car

Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1147, 02-13-2005 04:41 PM
     
Number One with a Bullet ! ! ! ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1148, 02-13-2005 10:52 PM
      got this far I hope I have good weather tomorrow

Formula88 MSG #1149, 02-13-2005 11:16 PM
      I'm glad you're documenting all this. This is serious magazine cover material. When you get this done, Hot Rod, Car Craft, High Performance Pontiac, et al, ALL need to get a press kit from you.

This car is wilder than most people's pipe dreams, and it's taking shape and is actually being built!

I am in awe. Really.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1150, 02-14-2005 12:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula88:

I'm glad you're documenting all this. This is serious magazine cover material. When you get this done, Hot Rod, Car Craft, High Performance Pontiac, et al, ALL need to get a press kit from you.

This car is wilder than most people's pipe dreams, and it's taking shape and is actually being built!

I am in awe. Really.

It's getting there but work is slow in the winter have to dodge snow rain cold and work when I can
and thanks for your comment I really appreciate the comments and the ideas I have been getting during the build all the best to all of the pff members who have posted here and those who haven't
even looked yet



spearce (spearce52@rogers.com) MSG #1151, 02-14-2005 01:15 PM
      What Joe is doing here is truly a work of art. The pictures do not entirely show the quality of workmanship and engineering that has gone into this car. You really need to see it in person to understand the scope and breadth of the modifications he has done.


Keep up the good work, I can hardly wait to see the finished car ( and go for a ride )


Steve


spearce (spearce52@rogers.com) MSG #1152, 02-14-2005 01:17 PM
      Sorry: Double post

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1153, 02-14-2005 06:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by spearce:

Sorry: Double post

cradle is ready for pick up any time and thanks for the comments

rims05 (grandturbo05@hotmail.com) MSG #1154, 02-14-2005 11:32 PM
      wow, i'm just amazed, your very very skilled,

you realize that no one else will ever be able to service this car! haha, they won't know what part to get!! theres like 5 different cars in this, plus tons of origional work but i'm %99 sure you won't sell it, thats like giving up a child

Travis

1fastcaddy (ku_ace@yahoo.com) MSG #1155, 02-15-2005 01:16 AM
      I just read this whole thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheh, just had to say that since I actually did. Great job, bubba!! I have to do something more to my car to keep up with your, just tryin to keep up with the jones's(joe)! thanks for the inspiration



ezramore MSG #1156, 02-15-2005 09:34 AM
      be sure to let us know if this thing gets published. It would be the one artical i might actually read. Great job so far. I hope you will get a good quality paint job when its ready. I have seen many customs that put a a cheap earl schieb paint job on them and every one over looks the mods to complain about the crappy paint job. are you planning on blueprinting it.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1157, 02-15-2005 01:59 PM
      ezramore
the car will be dismantled prior to pant so all panels will be painted off the car for a good job


cowans (sandy.cowan@bell.ca) MSG #1158, 02-15-2005 02:02 PM
      PM to you, Bubbajoe....
Sandy


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1159, 02-15-2005 02:06 PM
      well to day is a day with screwed ip weather fist sonny the duck weather changing to eskimo weather but I still go some work done removed the left stut tower to repair for the upper controll arm mounts and the new chassie renforcments here what it looks like ,by the way I also got riley's tach converted to read V8 pulses for his swap and mailed it back to him



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1160, 02-15-2005 02:10 PM
      forgot one , have some rust to clean up that was behind the old stut tower



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1161, 02-16-2005 11:09 AM
      I guess I own this one too
bad weather today wont get much done today

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Bobert (simpsonbob@rogers.com) MSG #1162, 02-16-2005 11:15 AM
     
Hey, looks like you own this page too !


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1163, 02-16-2005 07:46 PM
      http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/049357.html

Bubbajoe's project is now officially published! I know, I have a long way to go but with people like him building stuff like this it'll happen... He should make quite a few other publications as well.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1164, 02-17-2005 11:37 AM
      first of all thank you toddshotrods

I will be starting the construction of the new rear support for the rear and the upper control arm mounts sunday and hope the weather is good so I can get most of it done . Will post what ever pics are taken so you can see how it is being done .

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1165, 02-17-2005 05:11 PM
      what not to do when cutting steel set your self on fire

burned though one shirt and part way into the other


FastIndyFiero (harleyhat1@hotmail.com) MSG #1166, 02-17-2005 05:22 PM
      That's just a sign you're doing it right.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1167, 02-17-2005 05:27 PM
      I did get some work done though , started cutting out the frame rail to install the upper control arm
and set one mount in place and welded it in there is more to do though the area where the mounts install will be renforced with 1/8 plate and also filled in with the same material



and no injuries from the fire



Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #1168, 02-17-2005 05:39 PM
      I've been lurking in this post for the last couple of months. Only gots one thing to say:

Gawd-dam.

toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1169, 02-17-2005 05:59 PM
      You're welcome and thanks again!

How long did you have to aim the magnifying glass at your shirt to get that big of a hole?! Couldn't find any ants to BBQ eh?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1170, 02-17-2005 06:03 PM
      I was just glad to get the fire out it was burnning real good

Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #1171, 02-17-2005 06:13 PM
      what is the coating on your drive way. the white stuff???



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1172, 02-17-2005 06:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kento:

what is the coating on your drive way. the white stuff???

eskimo pavement (snow)



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1173, 02-18-2005 06:21 PM
      well tomorrow will be a productive day as Iplan on haveing the left side suspesion complete
today was just to cold to weld out side


fierov8 (jeff@orphancars.com) MSG #1174, 02-18-2005 06:58 PM
      BubbaJoe,

Quick question for you...........I see on page 29 that you say you are using a C5 bearing assembly at the rear.........by chance, do you know if the C5 and C4 rear bearing assys are dimensionally the same or different?

Would like to know because the C5 bearings seem to be a little more $pendy than the C4s

Thanks -- and I'll also add my voice to the many already spoken -- this is a fan-damn-tastic buildup thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of good engineering going on inside here. And that is great to see

-jeff d
Fort Worth, TX
198? Fiero GT/V8
1973 TVR 2500M


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1175, 02-18-2005 10:12 PM
      You missed it. Go back to page 29 and you'll see where he replaced the C5 rear bearing with an S10 bearing. Apparently, the C4 rear, 82-85 Eldorado front, and 4wd S10 front, bearings are all dimensionally identical. Not sure if the axle spline and diameters would be the same though.

You'll have some minor clearancing to do, but you can definitely use the more reasonably prices bearings.



stalen88GT (glstaples@hotmail.com) MSG #1176, 02-18-2005 11:31 PM
      I have to say I have not been here since page 15, 16, or 17 but DAMN it is looking good. Do you have an aproximate time of completion? I missed that if you posted it earlier.
Galen


fierov8 (jeff@orphancars.com) MSG #1177, 02-18-2005 11:31 PM
      Thanks for the response Todd.................just wanted to make sure that the bearing OD was the same between the C4 and the C5........ 3.60". At this point in my next project, I'm concerned with setting up the proper bearing and knuckle. In fact, the C4 bearing makes things easier for me

BTW -- has anyone seen these:

http://www.dutchmanms.com/1_irsindy.html

Mmmmmmmm -- billet aluminum hub carriers!!!!

-jeff d


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1178, 02-19-2005 02:42 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierov8:
Thanks for the response Todd...

No problem, here some more from the other thread:
 
quote
Originally posted by gusshotrod:
Just some info: C4 rear hubs are about .010 larger diameter than C5 front hubs where they center in the spindle. Both have a triple bolt pattern with the C4 about .3 larger circle. C4 rear hub has .75 more off set than the C5 front. You could mount the C4 hub into the C5 spindle by enlarging the ID of the spindle about .010 in. and slotting the mounting holes in the hubs. Neither item whould require a machine shop. You would end up with about .75 kingpin offset (good) and would be cheap. King pin angle looks like 8 degrees. Brand new aluminum spindle and hub with very good geometry for about $300

Bubbajoe has some info on this in this thread too, but I'm too lazy to sift through it and find it right now. There's just so many pages...



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1179, 02-19-2005 09:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:


Bubbajoe has some info on this in this thread too, but I'm too lazy to sift through it and find it right now. There's just so many pages...

there is no need to enlarge the spindle center hole the C4 or S10 bearing fits right in no machining requiered but you must move the boltholes out 30 thou so you can bolt them in I have allready done this with my spindles and it works great as for the axles the s10 are way smaller than the C5 axles but the s10 CV's can be fitted to the fiero axles by swaping the drive cone with one from the early caddy FWD 86 as they fit right into the s10 axle CV and except the fiero axle spline

gusshotrod (gushotrod@aol.com) MSG #1180, 02-19-2005 01:06 PM
      Are we sure the s10 and the C4 are the same bearing? The C4 bearing that I had would not fit and measured .010 larger than the C5. Also the bolt holes were more than .030 off. Anyone know the pt no forthe S10?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1181, 02-19-2005 02:49 PM
      here are a couple of pics of the S10 and the C5 bearing

this is the S10

this is the S10 beside the C5



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1182, 02-19-2005 02:56 PM
      well got the left side done today now I have to et the frame renforcments done here is the latest pics








bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1183, 02-19-2005 03:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by gusshotrod:

Are we sure the s10 and the C4 are the same bearing? The C4 bearing that I had would not fit and measured .010 larger than the C5. Also the bolt holes were more than .030 off. Anyone know the pt no forthe S10?

this is the part # from GM parts direct for non abs 07470013 S10 with abs 07470507
and vette 07470501

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toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1184, 02-19-2005 07:30 PM
      In the other thread it was the 82 Eldo front bearing and C4 that were determined to be identical. Same part number/same price, at Autozone or Eckler's. Timken part # is 513013

Sounds like the S10 bearing is different than the C4/Eldo bearing.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1185, 02-19-2005 08:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:

In the other thread it was the 82 Eldo front bearing and C4 that were determined to be identical. Same part number/same price, at Autozone or Eckler's. Timken part # is 513013

Sounds like the S10 bearing is different than the C4/Eldo bearing.

will check it out at gm parts direct



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1186, 02-19-2005 08:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by toddshotrods:

In the other thread it was the 82 Eldo front bearing and C4 that were determined to be identical. Same part number/same price, at Autozone or Eckler's. Timken part # is 513013

Sounds like the S10 bearing is different than the C4/Eldo bearing.

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no the eldo bearing is not the same as the C4 the Eldo part numder is differant 07470005
the auto zone number you have posted comes up S10

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gusshotrod (gushotrod@aol.com) MSG #1187, 02-19-2005 08:49 PM
      Well i'm confused. I've got an invoice and boxes for C4 corvette bearings from Eklers with the 513 pt no. which Todd says is the same as the Eldo and measures the same, neither of which fit the C5 spindle, and Bubba has an S10 hub which has the same diameter as the C5 hub and also has the 513 pt no. Whatever, it appears the S10 is cheaper and a better fit in th C5 spindle.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1188, 02-19-2005 09:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by gusshotrod:

Well i'm confused. I've got an invoice and boxes for C4 corvette bearings from Eklers with the 513 pt no. which Todd says is the same as the Eldo and measures the same, neither of which fit the C5 spindle, and Bubba has an S10 hub which has the same diameter as the C5 hub and also has the 513 pt no. Whatever, it appears the S10 is cheaper and a better fit in th C5 spindle.

the part number for the vette is 513020 the S10 513013
but the S10 The Eldo and the C4 all have differant numbers according to Gm parts direct in the mitchels catalog


fierov8 (jeff@orphancars.com) MSG #1189, 02-19-2005 11:03 PM
      Great Information so far from all of you on this bearing discussion ............."+"'s for y'all...........

For those that have bought any of the following:

S10 front bearing
C4 rear bearing
C5 rear bearing -- think this is 3.60" -- can anyone confirm? Just making sure I have the right part Id'd in my head
Pont. 6000 front bearing

...........can you post measurements of the bearing O.D.? It'd be a huge help to me and my custom spindle project, and it might help clear up some of the discrepancies and myths out there


thanks in advance,

-jeff d


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1190, 02-20-2005 10:07 AM
      I don't know why you got the information you did off the Autozine site Bubbajoe. Here's what I got a few minutes ago:

Plus, the day I posted the specs in the other thread I had just went to "the Zone" and looked at the bearing. I forgot my caliper but eyeballed it with a pocket tape measure, and also saw the box and part number.

Edit - I just searched the Autozone site again for the Vette bearing and it does come up 513020 ($150), but as mentioned, gusshotrod purchased 513013 from Eckler's (a Corvette parts specialist) as a C4 rear bearing for $110. Autozone just doesn't realize yet that the 513013 can obviously be sold for the Vette.


As for GM Parts Direct - I'm not surprised that they would have different information/part numbers from the Timken aftermarket replacement piece.



fierov8 (jeff@orphancars.com) MSG #1191, 02-20-2005 10:12 AM
      Todd - what other thread are you referring to?



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #1192, 02-20-2005 11:06 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by toddshotrods:

I don't know why you got the information you did off the Autozine site Bubbajoe. Here's what I got a few minutes ago:

Plus, the day I posted the specs in the other thread I had just went to "the Zone" and looked at the bearing. I forgot my caliper but eyeballed it with a pocket tape measure, and also saw the box and part number.

Edit - I just searched the Autozone site again for the Vette bearing and it does come up 513020 ($150), but as mentioned, gusshotrod purchased 513013 from Eckler's (a Corvette parts specialist) as a C4 rear bearing for $110. Autozone just doesn't realize yet that the 513013 can obviously be sold for the Vette.


As for GM Parts Direct - I'm not surprised that they would have different information/part numbers from the Timken aftermarket replacement piece.

I have access tp timkin and will check the number but the 513013 is the S10 bearing and is not the same as the vette 513020

toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #1193, 02-20-2005 11:13 AM
      This one -