The Miura project begins
Topic started by: Archie, Date: 12-08-2007 07:13 AM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000003.html


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #1, 12-08-2007 07:13 AM
      Some of you may recall the Miura project we were getting ready to start on my What's Up At Archie's thread.

Well here it begins.

We got this body in a few weeks ago to build for a customer who also monitors this forum.

This will be a long term project & we'll keep you up to speed as we go.

Here is a link to what was posted in the other thread http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...024804-52.html#p2059

Here is what the donor car looked like Friday morning.....



By the end of the day, it looked like this



Archie

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Chris Hodson MSG #2, 12-08-2007 07:47 AM
      This is going to be good!

Doc John MSG #3, 12-08-2007 09:14 AM
      What drivetrain is the new owner going with?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #4, 12-08-2007 10:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Doc John:

What drivetrain is the new owner going with?


Right now the plan is for an LS1 6 speed.

Archie


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #5, 12-08-2007 10:59 AM
      Sweet project, definately new. What rims are those? I love the look on the fastback.

WAWUZAT (hoowasat@cox.net) MSG #6, 12-08-2007 06:47 PM
      I wanna' watch this! The Lambo Miura was one of the prettiest cars ever built. The last I heard was Jay Leno has two of 'em. I'm going to guess that a frame stretch will be in order, but this stretch will probably be at the front end. Hmmm ... just reposition the front crossmember?

mnstrfiero (2thelim8@gmail.com) MSG #7, 12-08-2007 08:41 PM
      the wheels that the fiero has are most likely "drag DR-14's" the DR-14 doesn't stang for 14" rims, that's just the style. i actually like the line of wheels that Drag carries. They can be purchased at tires.com

if you take the time, you can also see that in a wheel search with 5x100 being the bolt pattern, and 17", Drag has a lot of cost effective and attractive wheels. They even have a mesh gold with a polished lip (looks like the HP evo wheels). at only $105 a piece!

these might also be Axis wheels, but those are much more expensive, and axis also has several different widths of wheel to choose from much like FieroTaz's car (the wide body chop top, primer black).


midnightcarving (midnightcarving@optonline.net) MSG #8, 12-08-2007 09:10 PM
      the miura, to me at least is among the most beautifully styled cars ever produced. both aggressive and elegant.

its sexy.

i'll be watching this one closely.


PaulJK MSG #9, 12-10-2007 10:31 PM
      The body looks like it was molded for another car - maybe a VW ? To get that to fit, you're gonna have to be 1/2 designer, 1/2 engineer and 1/2 magician . You're gonna have people begging for kits of this one Archie (maybe me included) .... BIG thanks for the thread .....

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #10, 12-11-2007 02:25 AM
     

Archie check your PM.


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #11, 12-11-2007 02:31 AM
      This is going to be great.

If this is the body shell I think it is, are you going to modify it to exact Miura proportions, or leave it the way it is?
(IIRC if I'm thinking of the same kit, it is a bit shrunken with some proportions changed to fit the European donor car (don't remember what the original donor car was at the moment) )

lots of pics requested

This is going to be such a gorgeous car when it's done, I can tell..



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #12, 12-11-2007 10:42 PM
      We spent the day cutting up the Fiero chassis & doing a simple trial fit of the body to get a general idea of how we are going to mount it.







Archie


PaulJK MSG #13, 12-12-2007 07:36 AM
      OK - i already decided i want one

The parallel designs website has the answer to "what car was it originally made for" ? It was made for "a semi-spaceframe structure constructed from 16 gauge mild steel square tube of varying dimensions."




From the other thread: http://www.paralleldesigns.co.uk/indexframe.html

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #14, 12-12-2007 05:40 PM
      Wow, the fit is actually relatively close from what I can see, still alot of work though. I will be watching this one.

PaulJK MSG #15, 12-12-2007 06:06 PM
      After looking at that frame set-up, I'm thinking that building on a functional fiero like Archie's doing is THE way to go with the project. i can't imagine trying to even complete the interior on the frame set-up. How the heck would you put in the A/C heater box, defrosters, ducting, etc. let alone pedal assemblies, etc., etc. What would you do for doors and working windows ?

Looking at the side view, the car looks WELL proportioned. Unlike a lot of kits mounted on a fiero (my corson included), it doesn't look too short in the section from the doors rearward. I think my corson would have looked a LOT better with a 7- inch stretch.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #16, 12-18-2007 12:07 AM
      Time to stretch the wheelbase a little.







Measure twice, cut once.







.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #17, 12-18-2007 12:13 AM
     

We got a long way to go but just sitting the body on the chassis, it looks pretty good.











Archie


Fieroseverywhere (caalon777@hotmail.com) MSG #18, 12-18-2007 12:55 AM
      Bravo!

Watching closely since hour one of this thread. Cant wait to see it on the road. Way to go Archie!

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Chris Hodson MSG #19, 12-18-2007 02:25 AM
      How does the windshield work? Is it still the stock fiero windshield?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #20, 12-18-2007 12:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Chris Hodson:

How does the windshield work? Is it still the stock fiero windshield?


This body uses the original Miura windshield. They are very rare, the customer found one in Houston & it's going to be on the way.

They are very expensive when you can find one.

Archie


Russ544 MSG #21, 12-18-2007 01:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Measure twice, cut once.




.......


until I realised this piece was from another donor car, I was thinking "what the F@#$". don't scare me like that Archie. Or maybe it WAS the actual project car and now he's begging for forgivness???
Looks cool so far.

Russ544



HC MSG #22, 12-18-2007 03:37 PM
      Wow, I like how the windshield is pushed back, I was wondering how this was going to be accomplished. Your the man Archie...

Did the customer decide on the final color yet?

Original Miura


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #23, 12-18-2007 03:59 PM
      We extended the front wheelbase by some 5".

We did that by cutting off the original frame horns on the build car & cutting off the frame horns on a donor front end (5" longer) & then welding it all back together with reinforcement etc.

Archie


 
quote
Originally posted by Russ544:


until I realised this piece was from another donor car, I was thinking "what the F@#$". don't scare me like that Archie. Or maybe it WAS the actual project car and now he's begging for forgivness???
Looks cool so far.

Russ544




HC MSG #24, 12-18-2007 07:13 PM
      Are all the dimensions on the kit accurate?

Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #25, 12-18-2007 08:32 PM
      The dimensions look close. Since it was designed to fit on a totally custom frame I would assume its 100% exact in dimensions. Looking great, can't wait to see more. Does the guy want to sell those Drag wheels?

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #26, 12-18-2007 09:31 PM
      Archie
Thanks for posting the pics, the car is looking great

The one thing I am wondering is how are you going to get the correct ride hight.
By looking at the pics, it almost seams like if the body has to be "chaneled" on the frame...
I am just wondering... then I thougth I guess the car has to have all the weight on it..
I am really looking forward to this build.

Keep up the good work


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #27, 12-18-2007 09:38 PM
      I think I see a coil over in the back.... You gotta remember with no fluids, no motor, no glass, no trans, stock wheels, no interior, and a somewhat stock suspension, yeah its sitting high. You add back that 1,000lbs+ yeah, it'll come down. Tweak the suspension, get the right wheel and tire package and it'll look right.

Formula88 MSG #28, 12-18-2007 10:07 PM
      Awesome! I've always love the Miura. Beautiful car. Simply beautiful!

HC MSG #29, 12-19-2007 03:23 PM
      I can't wait to see what you guys are gonna do to the headlamp motors... Lambo OEM?

(Edit: 100th post!)

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #30, 12-19-2007 04:47 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by HC:

I can't wait to see what you guys are gonna do to the headlamp motors... Lambo OEM?

(Edit: 100th post!)



Its a really easy job, lambo miura lights are fixed...



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #31, 12-20-2007 12:01 AM
      Actually the headlights do pivot up a little bit.





You can see the actuator motor on this page http://www.huskyclub.com/tavheadlights.html

I don't pretend to be an expert on the Miura. The customer is my expert on the car & we're going to try to make it as accurate as we can.

Right now the plan is to use 928 lights.

Archie

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JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #32, 12-20-2007 12:33 PM
      This is going to be good!. I will be watching this build for sure.
I spy Front Coilovers on the Fiero. Where might someone find those for sale?



HC MSG #33, 12-20-2007 02:28 PM
      Tony Montana's car? Hehe.

"Bulletproof this, and this right here, and get me one of them scramblers."


The Porsche's pop out more though.



Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #34, 12-20-2007 02:50 PM
      hunh, well I had never seen them swivel up like that, I even googled around before I commented. Sorry to whoever I corrected.

HC MSG #35, 12-20-2007 04:23 PM
      No biggie!

Any more eye candy?


DESTOS (discojimbo@hotmail.com) MSG #36, 12-21-2007 10:40 PM
      Oh great, I can't wait to see this progress.

I've been wanting to see a Miura project ever since Bubba mentioned doing one in his build thread. I never thought about one before then, and I've always loved the Miura.


merlot566jka (merlot566jka@yahoo.com) MSG #37, 12-22-2007 06:59 AM
     


???


THE BEAST (jgomez@ircc.cc.fl.us) MSG #38, 12-22-2007 07:42 PM
      This is one bad @ss project, and I just thought about the Jota version of this lambo its just insane...Also the one that was at display at the Detroit auto show last year is one nice looking car too, but just keep in mind that this is a car that even in the vintage look from the factory trim still shows well, and yet the other versions are none the less doable and beautiful!

JG


PaulJK MSG #39, 12-22-2007 10:16 PM
      I love that design but the headlights always struck me as a bit odd. i think it would look a LOT better with headlights into fenders like these:



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #40, 12-22-2007 11:14 PM
      Here's a guy who has the Miura Eyelashes, rear lights and lenses,front screen,and a complete set of wheels for sale.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C26686?pt=pf

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HC MSG #41, 12-23-2007 01:44 AM
      Wow... I'm literally speechless... Thats beautiful!!

I can't wait to see the progress on this build.


*Edited to add...

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PaulJK MSG #42, 12-23-2007 02:30 AM
      The owner should contact Amida and see if he can make an interior or dash similar in style - wow, that's nice.

as far as making the car accurate, that's how I started out with mine but it wasn't too long before i gave up the idea. i saw on the kitcar forum that some guys even did a "flat floor" conversion on their cars (cut out the console & moved the gas tank to make the floor flat like the original cars). No matter what you do, it always seems like there will be some major factor you can't replicate and you'll always see it - shifter, steering wheel, quarter windows, floor, wiper arms, etc. Every time you open the rear hatch, you'll never see a ferrari powerplant. Even if you do replicate all the cosmetics, it will still Never be a ferrari.

My conclusion is that I simply built the car the way that made me happy rather than fight a losing battle and even keep stuff I didn't like just to be accurate. (that's why i'd build up the fenders and change the headlights to fixed if it was my car ).

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Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #43, 12-23-2007 05:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by merlot566jka:




???


2006 Miura concept. Will never be build, unfortunatly. Was done by current Audi designer Victor de Silva. His best car yet. The public loved it. Problem is that the press tore the car to shreds, saying that Audi/Lamborghini wants to cash in on an icon (by making a retro - styled car). So the project was scrapped...


Grr press


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #44, 12-23-2007 05:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:

The owner should contact Amida and see if he can make an interior or dash similar in style - wow, that's nice.

as far as making the car accurate, that's how I started out with mine but it wasn't too long before i gave up the idea. i saw on the kitcar forum that some guys even did a "flat floor" conversion on their cars (cut out the console & moved the gas tank to make the floor flat like the original cars). No matter what you do, it always seems like there will be some major factor you can't replicate and you'll always see it - shifter, steering wheel, quarter windows, floor, wiper arms, etc. Every time you open the rear hatch, you'll never see a ferrari powerplant. Even if you do replicate all the cosmetics, it will still Never be a ferrari.

My conclusion is that I simply built the car the way that made me happy rather than fight a losing battle and even keep stuff I didn't like just to be accurate. (that's why i'd build up the fenders and change the headlights to fixed if it was my car ).



You wouldn't want to do the gas tank accurate. It's in the front of the car, and as it empties the front end would become lighter. Also the original Miura (before the "S") used 4 racing carburators, that would flood at a red light, causing the engine bay to catch fire. - Sometimes it's worth it to improvise a bit from the original.

I can also suggest to you to do a 2-tone cream and blue interior. Saw one at the Monterey auctions last year. That was so beautiful.

You're in for a treat, that little car was such a head-turner in Monterey last year. It stuck out among Aston Martins, Ferraris, Lambo's, Batmobiles, you name it..



GT Quick MSG #45, 12-23-2007 06:11 PM
      No matter how you cut it it's still a Fiero right ?

HC MSG #46, 12-23-2007 06:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GT Quick:

No matter how you cut it it's still a Fiero right ?


Thats the best part about it!!


toddshotrods (info@toddperkinsdesign.com) MSG #47, 12-23-2007 07:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:
You wouldn't want to do the gas tank accurate. It's in the front of the car, and as it empties the front end would become lighter...

The central gas tank is one of the things I really like about Fieros, and I agree I wouldn't change that.

 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:
...Also the original Miura (before the "S") used 4 racing carburators, that would flood at a red light, causing the engine bay to catch fire. - Sometimes it's worth it to improvise a bit from the original...

One way to have an original look with stuff like that is to sneak a little technology in. You can convert the original carbs into throttle bodies for a hidden EFI system A lot of work and a lot of money, but a person trying to replicate an original exotic is going to spend large amounts of those two anyway.


 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:
...as far as making the car accurate, that's how I started out with mine but it wasn't too long before i gave up the idea. i saw on the kitcar forum that some guys even did a "flat floor" conversion on their cars (cut out the console & moved the gas tank to make the floor flat like the original cars). No matter what you do, it always seems like there will be some major factor you can't replicate and you'll always see it - shifter, steering wheel, quarter windows, floor, wiper arms, etc. Every time you open the rear hatch, you'll never see a ferrari powerplant. Even if you do replicate all the cosmetics, it will still Never be a ferrari.

My conclusion is that I simply built the car the way that made me happy rather than fight a losing battle and even keep stuff I didn't like just to be accurate...

What he said. Make it YOUR car. That way when someone wonders why you built a replica instead of just purchasing an original you can say the original was close but not quite...




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #48, 12-28-2007 12:59 PM
      We're starting to do some of the steel work to stiffen the modified Fiero chassis & to mount the new body to.

The 1st thing we needed to find out is what the ride height was going to be when it's all put back together.

After we originally stripped the Fiero body off of the donor chassis, we measured a few places on the chassis to determine how much the chassis raised up when we removed the engine. We found that the rear of the chassis raised up about 1.5" & the front went up .5" once the engine was removed. We figure that the LS2 & the 6 speed that will be going into the car, when we're done with the body, will bring the chassis back down about the same amount as removing the original engine raised it.

So what we did was to put the car on our solid ramp drive on lift. Then using tie down ratchet straps & a couple of 4x4's we pulled the car down to simulate the ride height based on the following.

In the front the total amount we pulled it down was 4.25". Calculated as follows, the drop spindles will give us 2", the added weight when the car is finally put together will give us 1" & the coil-over as it currently is adjusted has about 1.25" that we can adjust it down.

In the rear the total amount we pulled it down was 3.625". Calculated as follows, the added weight when the car is finally put together will give us 1.5" & the coil-over as it currently is adjusted has about 1.125" that we can adjust it down. We also figure to pick up 1" by raising the strut tower or putting on a 10" coil-over

This is how is was sitting before.......



These pics represent the ride height as we now have it calculated.









I'll show you pics of the steel work as we go.

Archie



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #49, 12-28-2007 02:43 PM
      Hey Archie, it looks like either the front needs to come down a little bit more or the wheel arches need to be modified, that gap on the font tires looks a little big.

This is a way cool project keep up the good work.

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


WAWUZAT (hoowasat@cox.net) MSG #50, 12-28-2007 03:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838: ... it looks like either the front needs to come down a little bit more or the wheel arches need to be modified, that gap on the font tires looks a little big.


Some larger diameter rims & tires should fill the wheelwells at both ends ... and will also raise the car a bit. Any ideas on which rims will be used, Arch?



rogergarrison (fastandred@hotmail.com) MSG #51, 12-28-2007 04:42 PM
      Ya the stock headlites pop up just a little, pretty much 928 ish. Looks like maybe older style Halibrand wheels might be a close match. Like they used on some of the first GT40s, Cobras.

phoenixbeginning (phoenixbeginning@yahoo.com) MSG #52, 12-28-2007 08:18 PM
      Archie I sure would of loved to seen where you stiffened up the chassis on this.
I saw on the "roadster" thread where you added steel below the doors and up behind the doors.
Would love to make my Fiero stronger..just not heavy for my v-8 Conversion


Alex4mula (torres_a@hotmail.com) MSG #53, 12-29-2007 12:34 PM
      Amazing how those stock Fiero wheels look so right with it even if they will be changed. But I do agree the front should go lower. But then those arches have such a weird shape. Not a true semicircle. Specially the rear one.

jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #54, 12-29-2007 04:04 PM
      Re: wheels on the donor car for the miura project: they were purchased through Discount Tire but they were the last remaining stock . They are 17 inch aluminum Fondmetal wheels . Fondmetal is an aluminum foundry in Italy and I believe some of their products are still available over the internet.Dont know if Discount Tire still carries any of their product.

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #55, 12-30-2007 05:22 PM
      I don't know if that helps, but there is a magazine with a special on the Lamborghini Miura on Newstands (well Borders) I can't remember the title right now. When I do I'll edit the post.
It's easy to find, huge pic of a Miura.

-M


FieroGTRwideboby (alex4mail_2000@yahoo.com) MSG #56, 12-31-2007 01:51 PM
      Looking at the side view of the project and a direct view of a original Miura, it seems that the car needs to be lowered, but that looks like it will be a problem. Archie I see at the current state there is very little clearance under the rockers, so without body modification the car doesn't seem that it could go lower. A solution I can see is maybe slimming up the rockers. They look too thick, on the original they are a lot smaller, Maybe by removing a 1'' thick sliver of rocker will allow for an extra 1" lowering. Seems like a lot of work and I know exactly how much it is, but if time is not an issue this would not only provide for more suspension adjustment, but build on the authenticity of this car.

-Alex


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #57, 12-31-2007 08:59 PM
      The original tire were GR70-VR15.

Back in the olden days, I used to know how to convert that size to the then new Metric sizing. But I forgot how to convert it about 20 years ago.

Does anyone know what the modern metric sizing would be for that tire size?

I suspect that the original tires were about 27 to 29" in Diameter where the current tires are only 24" in Dia.

Thanks

Archie



motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #58, 12-31-2007 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The original tire were GR70-VR15.

Back in the olden days, I used to know how to convert that size to the then new Metric sizing. But I forgot how to convert it about 20 years ago.

Does anyone know what the modern metric sizing would be for that tire size?

I suspect that the original tires were about 27 to 29" in Diameter where the current tires are only 24" in Dia.

Thanks

Archie


Archie, I think that it works out to be about a 225/70/15. Taller tires would definantly help with how the front wheels fit in the openings.

Joe


Darrelk MSG #59, 12-31-2007 10:58 PM
      Did a little research on the tire thing and this chart seems pretty good...

http://www.huskyclub.com/tavtire.html

According to that chart it's a 26.8 diamater (really a 26.77 if you do the math in metric). If you look further down the chart that works out to be a 215/70.

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Saxman (andrew@thecleavers.net) MSG #60, 01-02-2008 10:37 AM
      Damn - I was going to do another Fino on an 88 CJB chassis, but now you have me thinking about the Miura. I wonder if it would work on a T-top car? Heck, I wonder if one of these can be built outside of your garages, Archie. I don't remember reading it, so are you planning a kit for this one?

I sure hope so! Thanks for keeping us informed on all the progress!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #61, 01-03-2008 10:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Saxman:

Damn - I was going to do another Fino on an 88 CJB chassis, but now you have me thinking about the Miura. I wonder if it would work on a T-top car? Heck, I wonder if one of these can be built outside of your garages, Archie. I don't remember reading it, so are you planning a kit for this one?

I sure hope so! Thanks for keeping us informed on all the progress!


Building this car on a "T" top chassis would be about the same as the build we are doing. If you'll look back at the pics so far and look at the other pics I'm about to post, you'll see that we've completely removed the original Fiero roof because this car (like my GT40) requires that the original Fiero roof line has to be removed.

So I wouldn't recommend to build it on a "T" top car anymore than any other Fiero chassis.

Also, at this time, we're not planning on making this a kit for the Fiero. If you pay close attention, you'll see that to make this into a kit would be very expensive in tooling and mold making costs.

So this won't be a kit & it should be considered a one time build.

Now on with the show.....

Archie

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Saxman (andrew@thecleavers.net) MSG #62, 01-03-2008 11:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Also, at this time, we're not planning on making this a kit for the Fiero. If you pay close attention, you'll see that to make this into a kit would be very expensive in tooling and mold making costs.

So this won't be a kit & it should be considered a one time build.
Archie


Great! Now I have to win the lottery to get this in my garage! Thanks for the info, Archie. It will be a nice ride. I'll pay closer attention. I see the roof section is gone on the donor now.

Keep up the great work!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #63, 01-03-2008 11:17 PM
      A few days ago we set about the task of building the steel work that's going to permently tie the chassis together & provide the body mounting & support structure.

Before we cut the roof off we welded in 2 long 2" box tubing sections in a "X" to keep the chassis in place. Those 2 pieces are still in place & will stay there until almost all of the steel work is done.

Earlier, you'll remember that we stretched the front of the chassis to move the front axle soe 5" farther forward.

That being done, now we begin on the chassis.

First we put in 4 long pieces of 2" box in the Fiero door openings to form the new sill plates.







Then we start to build up frame work at the back & the front ends of the sill plates, to tie them into the front & rear bulkheads....







..........


prostreet505 (craigc7071@aol.com) MSG #64, 01-03-2008 11:21 PM
      Lookin Good Archie!!!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #65, 01-03-2008 11:30 PM
      We continue to tie into the rear bulkhead.....





We start to modifying the rear trunk area......



While on the front end we built a cowl framework just above the original Fiero heater box.....



If you look close, you can see the opening in the front bulkhead where the heater box goes in just below the new cowl. You can see that this cowl framework is about 4 to 5" below where the stock Fier cowl was located.



Here is what the sill plate bars look like with the body sill plate sitting on them........



Currently we are working on the framework that is going to be under the fiberglass roof on this car.



That's it for today.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #66, 01-03-2008 11:33 PM
      Thanks

A

 
quote
Originally posted by prostreet505:

Lookin Good Archie!!!




James Bondo (hemicuda@look.ca) MSG #67, 01-04-2008 08:01 AM
      Square tube construction is just plain sexy.

Fierology MSG #68, 01-04-2008 03:13 PM
      What sort of finished product weight are we looking at? It looks awesome, but is all that sweet looking rectangular tubing gonna add up?



Fieroseverywhere (caalon777@hotmail.com) MSG #69, 01-04-2008 03:42 PM
      I think I see a tiny little section of the original fiero frame in there somewhere.

Looking good. Gonna be a nice one when its complete. :tumbsup:


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #70, 01-04-2008 04:07 PM
      It almost seems like this would have been easier if you hd just 100% scratch built a chassis like the body was intended for. Its awesome seeing the skills at archies shop, but it just seems like there was a better way.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #71, 01-04-2008 10:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

It almost seems like this would have been easier if you hd just 100% scratch built a chassis like the body was intended for. Its awesome seeing the skills at archies shop, but it just seems like there was a better way.


I'm told that one of the reasons the car was not real successful as a kit car in England was that the chassis they built for it was way too flexible and potential customers were not buying the kits because of that.

So the customer I'm building it for (who is a member of this forum) didn't want to use that chassis. He is a Miura lover & a Fiero lover, so what better thing to do than combine the two.

We are building this very similar to the way we built my GT40 & I guarantee you that chassis was very solid.

Someone asked about the weight of the car as we are building it. To be honest weight is not a criteria of this build. Rigidity of the finished product is the highest priority. We used a LOT of steel on my GT40 & it weighed about 500 lbs less than a V-8 Fiero when we were done. I'd expect that this car will not gain much weight when it's done.

This is going to be a 85 to 90% replica of a very expensive real car that sells in the $300+K area, so it's not likely that you'll see many of these at the drag strip. Here's one that was resently on EBay, it didn't make the reserve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

Archie

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #72, 01-05-2008 12:12 AM
      I wasn't trying to be a hater, it just seem like so much fiero was getting cut off that it wouldn't be worth it. But you are retaining the cradle and suspension which make alot of modding easier and you'll be set up perfectly for a motor mounted like a real Miura.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #73, 01-06-2008 12:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

I wasn't trying to be a hater, it just seem like so much fiero was getting cut off that it wouldn't be worth it. But you are retaining the cradle and suspension which make alot of modding easier and you'll be set up perfectly for a motor mounted like a real Miura.


No problem.

No body here took that post as a hater post.

Sorry, I didn't get back to you earlier. I've been offline for a couple of days due to computer problems.

Archie


Formula88 MSG #74, 01-06-2008 03:51 PM
      At least this one won't have the Miura's problem with having a front mounted fuel tank.
As you run out of gas, the front end gets light and you lose the ability to steer at high speed.


Doc John MSG #75, 01-06-2008 04:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierology:

What sort of finished product weight are we looking at? It looks awesome, but is all that sweet looking rectangular tubing gonna add up?



I'm pretty sure the plan is to fit the car with an LS2. It won't have any problem with a few extra pounds!


jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #76, 01-11-2008 11:15 AM
      Just as a matter of historical interest: A total of 764 Miura's were produced over the 7 year production life of the Miura and less than 1/2 survive today . Each was hand built and each component part numbered : ie : the driver's side door of one Miura would not necessarily fit another Miura ,since each was hand constructed.To further complicate efforts of those few lucky owners of an existant Miura , who wish to restore their valued treasure , around 1995-1996 Lamborghini management ordered destruction of the factories archives. According to Hemming's motor news , all commercial files, invoices,letters , registers and other documents wound up in the shredder , destroying parts of the company's history "maybe to eliminate embarrasing comparisons between the illustrious past and the modern present."
To quote Hemmings : " It borders on the criminal that major automotive manufacturers want nothing more than to sell their current products. What happened yesterday is of no consequence. History goes literally in the ashcan."
Fortunately , websites like this preserve the history and technical data of the Fiero,


Hudini (hudini@tds.net) MSG #77, 01-11-2008 11:50 AM
      The pic from the ebay auction seems to show the rear slightly lower than the front. Is that just the camera angle or is that how they looked?

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #78, 01-19-2008 02:03 AM
      It's hard waiting for an update.... this one is sooooo cool any update will be a great update. Please Archie make a post soon.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #79, 01-23-2008 10:30 PM
      The windshield came in today & I thought I'd show you a picture of it laying in place.

Note the windshield has frost on it from bringing it in from a cold semi to a warm shop.





Archie



SAFASTRO MSG #80, 01-24-2008 12:52 AM
      Hey Archie....sorry if I missed this being posted earlier, but is that an original windshield? Or what does it come from?
Thanks.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #81, 01-24-2008 07:45 AM
      Yes it's the original windshield, it came from Houston.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by SAFASTRO:

Hey Archie....sorry if I missed this being posted earlier, but is that an original windshield? Or what does it come from?
Thanks.





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #82, 01-31-2008 11:55 PM
      Fitting the windshield today.

It was pretty close but didn't fit the opening in the fiberglass perfectly so we had to modify the opening a bit.









Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 01-31-2008).]

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #83, 02-05-2008 04:53 PM
      Hey Archie,

I love it so far maybe this will be my '09-'10 project. Please keep it going.

Paul



Fieroseverywhere (caalon777@hotmail.com) MSG #84, 02-05-2008 07:01 PM
      Those last pics aren't working for me. Anyone else having a problem?

EDIT: As soon as I posted this they started working. Sorry. Very nice.

[This message has been edited by Fieroseverywhere (edited 02-05-2008).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #85, 02-17-2008 02:52 PM
      A little late on this report. The week before last we finished much of the steel work under the nose. We also hinged the front clip & built the radiator mounting.

If you look back at some of the early body pictures, you'll see that the grill opening in the nose was out of shape. Because we were needing to mount some steel in the nose to mount the hinges to, we also had to reshape the grill opening to the proper shape.

Here's some pics.......













..........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #86, 02-17-2008 02:57 PM
     









Archie



Zeb MSG #87, 02-17-2008 09:37 PM
      And you guys do work like this with two left hands! Want to hire a guy with ten thumbs?
The new sig is nice!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #88, 03-06-2008 06:19 PM
      A little update.....

We put the lowering spindles on the front end to bring it down to about where it will be when we're done.

The rear will come down about 1.5 to 2" when we put the complete driveline in.











Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #89, 03-06-2008 06:37 PM
      We're trying to get all the steel work done so we can send the chassis out to be powdercoated.

Hinging the rear clip......















We're working on the door hinges now.

Archie


Madscanner MSG #90, 03-11-2008 05:52 AM
      Excellent work - great thread.



88White3.4GT MSG #91, 03-11-2008 07:38 PM
      bump

slinger MSG #92, 03-11-2008 09:06 PM
      i love that car!

(quick question is map quest right when it says 1houre 38mins from chicago to your place?)
mapquest never seems to work well for me.


Jake_Dragon MSG #93, 03-11-2008 09:14 PM
      It looks happy


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #94, 03-11-2008 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by slinger:

i love that car!

(quick question is map quest right when it says 1houre 38mins from chicago to your place?)
mapquest never seems to work well for me.


That's about right.

Please note that Mapquest puts the "STAR" 3 blocks North of where we are actually located. So figure on going 3 blocks South of that star.

Archie


PaulJK MSG #95, 03-12-2008 03:36 AM
      ...

[This message has been edited by PaulJK (edited 03-12-2008).]

slinger MSG #96, 03-12-2008 11:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


That's about right.

Please note that Mapquest puts the "STAR" 3 blocks North of where we are actually located. So figure on going 3 blocks South of that star.

Archie


thanks archie i will be in chicago the end of this month, and i might stop by and pick up some of your rockers.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #97, 03-12-2008 01:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by slinger:


thanks archie i will be in chicago the end of this month, and i might stop by and pick up some of your rockers.



Give me a call 2 days before you come & we'll get you hooked up.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #98, 03-12-2008 08:44 PM
      Help us out guys.

We are gathering parts for the interior of this car & we're looking for some seats.

The real seats, even if you could find them, are very likely wayyyy too expensive.

I know a lot of you guys out there have of have had various sports cars.

We're looking for seats that look as close to the real thing as we can find.

Below are a few pics of Miura seats.

Does anyone know of seats from another car that look the same or similar?








Thanks

Archie



FieroJimmy MSG #99, 03-12-2008 09:03 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We're looking for seats that look as close to the real thing as we can find.

Does anyone know of seats from another car that look the same or similar?



I've never seen production seats like that, but it looks like a pretty basic seat. I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to form up a seat pan and send it to wherever is doing the upholstery.

If I were doing it, (which I realize I'm not) I would probably form the seating shape with some sheetmetal, then weld reinforcing to the back side (as necessary, including some round tube/stock around the perimeter to keep the leather from ripping) and a frame to the bottom to connect it to whatever type of adjuster/riser you plan on using. The fact that it is a non-reclining seat would make it easier, so you don't have to track down similar recliners. Also by making it on site you would be sure the seat fits the "new" car while maintaining the look of the original.


jweisman (joeweisman346@aol.com) MSG #100, 03-12-2008 09:10 PM
      Porsche 914 seats

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


topher_time (lost_caffeine@yahoo.com) MSG #101, 03-12-2008 09:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Help us out guys.

We are gathering parts for the interior of this car & we're looking for some seats.

The real seats, even if you could find them, are very likely wayyyy too expensive.

I know a lot of you guys out there have of have had various sports cars.

We're looking for seats that look as close to the real thing as we can find.

Below are a few pics of Miura seats.

Does anyone know of seats from another car that look the same or similar?

Thanks

Archie



Early Lotus Esprit is the closest thing I can think of. Especially being that narrow. If I think of anything else...



FieroWannaBe (patond@alumni.msoe.edu) MSG #102, 03-12-2008 11:59 PM
      http://www.jegs.com/i/JAZ/5...0002/-1/762895|10509

TRiAD MSG #103, 04-18-2008 10:08 AM
      Seats from an Esprit S1 would be perfect.
Best pic I could find...



I'll hop on LEW and see if I can find some...

BTW, this is a f^&king AWESOME project, and if it weren't for the "lottery winner" windshield, I'd be commissioning one of my own - today!!

-edit-

Here are some Esprit V8 seats, slightly different style, and likely WAY too expensive...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

He also has Elan seats...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...2QQitemZ220120306227

I also emailed him re: early Esprit seats...



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #104, 04-18-2008 10:51 PM
      Thanks for all the nice comments.

A little update.

In an effort to get all the welding & fitting done before we send the chassis out for powdercoating, we got the new LS3 engine in this week.

We'll be fitting this engine into the car & finishing up the overall welding on the chassis. Then we'll blow it apart, store the engine until we need to reinstall it, & get the chassis out to the powdercoater.







Archie


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #105, 04-19-2008 02:46 AM
      430 hp pushrod 2v sbc street motor .. amazing

BazookaFiero (david.wente@ndsu.edu) MSG #106, 04-19-2008 03:32 AM
      Fantastic project, will definitely keep checking back, can't wait to see it completed

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #107, 04-19-2008 09:06 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Help us out guys.

We are gathering parts for the interior of this car & we're looking for some seats.

The real seats, even if you could find them, are very likely wayyyy too expensive.

I know a lot of you guys out there have of have had various sports cars.

We're looking for seats that look as close to the real thing as we can find.

Below are a few pics of Miura seats.

Does anyone know of seats from another car that look the same or similar?








Thanks

Archie



the only seats that I now of that where close to these where the EMPI dune buggy seat fiberglass shells that you can upolster to match


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #108, 04-19-2008 10:24 AM
      What I want to know is, when does the "begins" part end and the "continues" part begin?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #109, 04-19-2008 08:45 PM
      http://www.cip1.ca/ProductD...ode=ACC%2DC10%2D2290

Archie here is the link to the seats I mentioned and they are still avalable

here is the pics and measurements

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #110, 04-19-2008 10:03 PM
      Thanks for the info, We'll do some measuring Monday.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

http://www.cip1.ca/ProductD...ode=ACC%2DC10%2D2290

Archie here is the link to the seats I mentioned and they are still avalable

here is the pics and measurements






bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #111, 04-19-2008 10:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Thanks for the info, We'll do some measuring Monday.

Archie



your very welcome


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #112, 04-22-2008 06:30 PM
      Archie he is a link you may want to see

http://www.lambomiura.com/lambomiura.htm

you may get some good info here

http://www.stanford.edu/~dtscott/log1.html

http://www.joesackey.com/Galleria/

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BillS (wspohn4@aol.com) MSG #113, 04-22-2008 06:46 PM
      The real icing on the cake would be original wheels. They were knock-off magnesium Campagnolos, but repro aluminum copies are now available in Britain. The spline drive is the standard size used on many British cars and adaptors are available to take them.

Here's a pic of the wheels on my old Lambo.



bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #114, 04-28-2008 04:38 PM
      we need an update here please

mnstrfiero (2thelim8@gmail.com) MSG #115, 04-28-2008 05:22 PM
      Archie, get porsche 914 seats!!! they are nearly identical!

jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #116, 05-01-2008 08:31 AM
      Found a good link for type seat at Summit Racing
http://store.summitracing.c...05516+115+4294908349


PaulJK MSG #117, 05-02-2008 12:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mnstrfiero:

Archie, get porsche 914 seats!!! they are nearly identical!


Looks Good - 1970 porsche 914





DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #118, 05-02-2008 12:46 PM
      But if you do get 914 seats you will need 2 driver seats. The passenger has a big center firewall pad attached to it.

Custom2M4 (custom2m4@hotmail.com) MSG #119, 05-03-2008 11:30 PM
      What you are looking for, are Replica seats from a 1965 Shebly Cobra.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #120, 05-09-2008 11:37 PM
      Finally back on this project.

Working to get all the welding done before sending the chassis & other parts out for Powdercoating.

So we need to trial fit the engine so we can finalize the engine cradle & engine compartment.





We will be using a 6 speed transmission on the LS3 engine.







Fitting it to the cradle...



Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #121, 05-12-2008 11:55 PM
      The Miura gets a new HeartBeat.









I think those headers look way cool in there.



Archie


Fastback 86 MSG #122, 05-13-2008 01:13 PM
      I'm curious if the customer is concerned about their personal safety with this vehicle in the event of an accident. You've had to cut away a lot of the front and rear frame as well as much of the roof. I also notice that the frame you've rebuilt out of square tubing is not bent at all, it is instead comprised of many, many joints. I don't doubt your guys know how to weld, it's just that I've always been taught that when building a roll cage or tube frame, you want to have as few joints as possible as they are weaker than uninterrupted tubing. I'm also concerned about the small tubing you've used for the A pillars, it doesn't look like it would support the weight of the car in the event of a roll over. Over all, the vehicle looks solid and will look good with the body on, I'm just concerned it won't be safe in an accident. Of course, if it's going to be a show car and rarely driven in the street, it's probably not a big deal, but if it's going to be driven out there with Sally Soccer Mom yakking on her cell phone while piloting her Suburban with her knee, it could be a serious risk.

DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #123, 05-13-2008 02:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:

I'm curious if the customer is concerned about their personal safety with this vehicle in the event of an accident. You've had to cut away a lot of the front and rear frame as well as much of the roof. I also notice that the frame you've rebuilt out of square tubing is not bent at all, it is instead comprised of many, many joints. I don't doubt your guys know how to weld, it's just that I've always been taught that when building a roll cage or tube frame, you want to have as few joints as possible as they are weaker than uninterrupted tubing. I'm also concerned about the small tubing you've used for the A pillars, it doesn't look like it would support the weight of the car in the event of a roll over. Over all, the vehicle looks solid and will look good with the body on, I'm just concerned it won't be safe in an accident. Of course, if it's going to be a show car and rarely driven in the street, it's probably not a big deal, but if it's going to be driven out there with Sally Soccer Mom yakking on her cell phone while piloting her Suburban with her knee, it could be a serious risk.


Your points are valid, but what you need to keep in mind is that this is a "replica/kitcar" and being that, this is the best reenforced one I have ever seen. If you want to be scared about safety go crawl under one of those Lambo kitcars on ebay (not all of them, some are very nice) they have almost all the frame cut away and most builders put little to no solid reenforcements under there. Archie and his team have done a excellent job on this car, and it will be safer then most other kits out there. Also I'm sure this car will not be an everyday driver, and likely will never see any kind of accident.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #124, 05-13-2008 03:01 PM
      Wasen't that one of the main reason why the owner took it to Archie's? The guys over the great pond didn't do a very good job at reinforcing the kit and it flexed badly on prior Muira kits?

Fastback 86 MSG #125, 05-13-2008 04:22 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:


Your points are valid, but what you need to keep in mind is that this is a "replica/kitcar" and being that, this is the best reenforced one I have ever seen. If you want to be scared about safety go crawl under one of those Lambo kitcars on ebay (not all of them, some are very nice) they have almost all the frame cut away and most builders put little to no solid reenforcements under there. Archie and his team have done a excellent job on this car, and it will be safer then most other kits out there. Also I'm sure this car will not be an everyday driver, and likely will never see any kind of accident.


That's nice to hear, but it's the same as saying this run down old house is a-ok because it hasn't been condemned yet. The mere fact that other people are building unsafe cars doesn't make this one safe, just safer by comparison. However, in comparison to a stock Fiero spaceframe, it's probably not as safe. And again, if it's never going to see a city street, it's a moot point.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #126, 05-13-2008 04:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:

I'm curious if the customer is concerned about their personal safety with this vehicle in the event of an accident. You've had to cut away a lot of the front and rear frame as well as much of the roof. I also notice that the frame you've rebuilt out of square tubing is not bent at all, it is instead comprised of many, many joints. I don't doubt your guys know how to weld, it's just that I've always been taught that when building a roll cage or tube frame, you want to have as few joints as possible as they are weaker than uninterrupted tubing. I'm also concerned about the small tubing you've used for the A pillars, it doesn't look like it would support the weight of the car in the event of a roll over. Over all, the vehicle looks solid and will look good with the body on, I'm just concerned it won't be safe in an accident. Of course, if it's going to be a show car and rarely driven in the street, it's probably not a big deal, but if it's going to be driven out there with Sally Soccer Mom yakking on her cell phone while piloting her Suburban with her knee, it could be a serious risk.


I appreciate your concern however we're not really done with the steel work yet.

The customer sent it to us because he had seen the chassis work we had done with the GT40 we built & he felt that chassis would be a good base for building the Miura. The chassis on my GT40 was very stiff & strong with no flex.

The framework up inside the roof & "A" pillars is not ment to be a roll cage. It's there to help keep the shape of the roof & "A" pillars. Otherwise the roof & windshield would have no support.

He does intend on driving this not necessarly as a DD but it's not going to be a show only car.

In the rear, there are 2 arms coming out to form hinging points for the rear clip, that's where you see the angle joints. They're not finished yet but they're shaped the way they are to clear the exhaust & because there's going to be a trunk mounted in that area too.

Once we have most of the welding done we will be pulling the body off of the chassis. Then we're going to finish some steel work on parts of the chassis that we can't get to right now. Then the complete chassis is going to be sent out for powdercoating. I'll take some detailed pics of the chassis at that point & you can form an opinion based on those pics.

The chassis used on the Miura in the U.K. was known for a lot of flex. IMHO, that's why the Miura kits were never really very popular over there & that's why the customer didn't want to use one of those chassis.

Archie

edited to add....... The customer is a Fiero fan who's into Fieros. He's doing something to his Fiero that no one else has done, so he is one of us. & not some kit car guy looking for the cheapest way to build something.

A

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TRiAD MSG #127, 05-13-2008 05:42 PM
      Two thumbs, WAY up, Arch man!



~M



myfierogt (jeremiah.curtin@offutt.af.mil) MSG #128, 05-13-2008 07:17 PM
      Wow, that square "tubing" does look scary. I wouldnt want to be involved in a crash in any fiero so that doesnt say much.

30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #129, 05-13-2008 07:29 PM
     
 
quote
myfierogt:Wow, that square "tubing" does look scary. I wouldnt want to be involved in a crash in any fiero so that doesnt say much.


If you want to see something scary, figure the payments you'd be making if you bought a real Miura!


Fastback 86 MSG #130, 05-13-2008 09:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I appreciate your concern however we're not really done with the steel work yet.

The customer sent it to us because he had seen the chassis work we had done with the GT40 we built & he felt that chassis would be a good base for building the Miura. The chassis on my GT40 was very stiff & strong with no flex.

The framework up inside the roof & "A" pillars is not ment to be a roll cage. It's there to help keep the shape of the roof & "A" pillars. Otherwise the roof & windshield would have no support.

He does intend on driving this not necessarly as a DD but it's not going to be a show only car.

In the rear, there are 2 arms coming out to form hinging points for the rear clip, that's where you see the angle joints. They're not finished yet but they're shaped the way they are to clear the exhaust & because there's going to be a trunk mounted in that area too.

Once we have most of the welding done we will be pulling the body off of the chassis. Then we're going to finish some steel work on parts of the chassis that we can't get to right now. Then the complete chassis is going to be sent out for powdercoating. I'll take some detailed pics of the chassis at that point & you can form an opinion based on those pics.

The chassis used on the Miura in the U.K. was known for a lot of flex. IMHO, that's why the Miura kits were never really very popular over there & that's why the customer didn't want to use one of those chassis.

Archie

edited to add....... The customer is a Fiero fan who's into Fieros. He's doing something to his Fiero that no one else has done, so he is one of us. & not some kit car guy looking for the cheapest way to build something.

A



Good deal, I was just curious.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #131, 05-13-2008 10:30 PM
      Here's a picture of the real Miura chassis.



Not much of a roll cage there.

An all aluminum body went on this chassis. No Rollcage, just aluminum.

This was never a crashworthy car by today's standards and with the modifications we are doing to the Fiero chassis, it is vastly superior to the real thing which now can sell for a half a million dollars on up.

Jay Leno has two and drives the S model fairly regularly.

Tell your buddys that none of my hack jobs has fell apart yet.

Maybe they could actually read the thread before speculating about how it's going to turn out. Instead of just bashing without even reading to find facts.

Those idiots need to get a job so they one day can build a couple of cars to show us all how it's supposed to be done.

Until then they should get a life.

How's it feel hanging out with a bunch of wanna-bes?

Archie


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #132, 05-13-2008 10:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here's a picture of the real Miura chassis.


Not much of a roll cage there.

An all aluminum body went on this chassis. No Rollcage, just aluminum.

This was never a crashworthy car by today's standards and with the modifications we are doing to the Fiero chassis, it is vastly superior to the real thing which now can sell for a half a million dollars on up.

Jay Leno has two and drives the S model fairly regularly.

Tell your buddys that none of my hack jobs has fell apart yet.

Maybe they could actually read the thread before speculating about how it's going to turn out. Instead of just bashing without even reading to find facts.

Those idiots need to get a job so they one day can build a couple of cars to show us all how it's supposed to be done.

Until then they should get a life.

How's it feel hanging out with a bunch of wanna-bes?

Archie


I agree. I think your chassis is simply beautiful. I love the area where the wipers were, it looks great! Don't let it bother you, this car is something amazing. When its done it will be a solid work of art.

Just a thought off topic, do you think you could put a V8 in one of my DeLoreans?



myfierogt (jeremiah.curtin@offutt.af.mil) MSG #133, 05-14-2008 02:52 PM
      How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.

Archie do you act like this towards anyone that doesnt share the same opinion of you?


couldahadaV8 MSG #134, 05-14-2008 03:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:

I also notice that the frame you've rebuilt out of square tubing is not bent at all, it is instead comprised of many, many joints. I don't doubt your guys know how to weld, it's just that I've always been taught that when building a roll cage or tube frame, you want to have as few joints as possible as they are weaker than uninterrupted tubing.


Looking at the pictures of the rear frame, I think it looks very strong. The strongest frame you can have is straight sections without any bends. Bends look nice but what happens to a bent section when you push on the ends (as in a crash); it bends in further. Look at the rectangular frame welded into the main Fiero frame. Looks like very good crash protection to me. If welding is done properly, in theory it is stronger than an uninterupted section since it is thicker where the weld is.

Rick


gunslinger MSG #135, 05-14-2008 03:43 PM
      Just put some 90 degree gussets to firm it up and you are good to go.

Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #136, 05-14-2008 03:58 PM
      that frame is solid the way it is ..nice job Archie and associates

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #137, 05-14-2008 06:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here's a picture of the real Miura chassis.



Not much of a roll cage there.

An all aluminum body went on this chassis. No Rollcage, just aluminum.

This was never a crashworthy car by today's standards and with the modifications we are doing to the Fiero chassis, it is vastly superior to the real thing which now can sell for a half a million dollars on up.

Jay Leno has two and drives the S model fairly regularly.

Tell your buddys that none of my hack jobs has fell apart yet.

Maybe they could actually read the thread before speculating about how it's going to turn out. Instead of just bashing without even reading to find facts.

Those idiots need to get a job so they one day can build a couple of cars to show us all how it's supposed to be done.

Until then they should get a life.

How's it feel hanging out with a bunch of wanna-bes?

Archie



the whole drivers compartment and doors of the muira are all steel only the front and rear hoods were aluminum skined over a steel framework







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GKDINC MSG #138, 05-14-2008 06:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:

How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.

Archie do you act like this towards anyone that doesnt share the same opinion of you?

Oh the newbie's, if they would only do some research. Archie has been doing this longer than some of them have been on this earth.
Looks good Archie.
Have a Great Day
Gary



Fastback 86 MSG #139, 05-14-2008 07:40 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here's a picture of the real Miura chassis.



Not much of a roll cage there.

An all aluminum body went on this chassis. No Rollcage, just aluminum.

This was never a crashworthy car by today's standards and with the modifications we are doing to the Fiero chassis, it is vastly superior to the real thing which now can sell for a half a million dollars on up.

Jay Leno has two and drives the S model fairly regularly.

Tell your buddys that none of my hack jobs has fell apart yet.

Maybe they could actually read the thread before speculating about how it's going to turn out. Instead of just bashing without even reading to find facts.

Those idiots need to get a job so they one day can build a couple of cars to show us all how it's supposed to be done.

Until then they should get a life.

How's it feel hanging out with a bunch of wanna-bes?

Archie


I assume you're talking to me, and I'll direct you back to what I've already said:

"That's nice to hear, but it's the same as saying this run down old house is a-ok because it hasn't been condemned yet. The mere fact that other people are building unsafe cars doesn't make this one safe, just safer by comparison. However, in comparison to a stock Fiero spaceframe, it's probably not as safe. And again, if it's never going to see a city street, it's a moot point."

The fact that it's better than the original doesn't automatically make it safe. You've compromised all of the Fiero's crumple zones and weakened the roof structure. I'm sure it will work fine for driving around, but I wouldn't want to be in a crash in it any more than I would want to be in a crash in a real Miura.

And you're a fine one to talk about wanna-be's as you build a knock-off Lamborghini out of an admittedly poor kit.


Fastback 86 MSG #140, 05-14-2008 07:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

Oh the newbie's, if they would only do some research. Archie has been doing this longer than some of them have been on this earth.
Looks good Archie.
Have a Great Day
Gary


And? I've been changing my oil longer than some people have been on the earth, but it doesn't make me an expert on the subject. On top of that, he only started doing chop tops a few years ago.


myfierogt (jeremiah.curtin@offutt.af.mil) MSG #141, 05-14-2008 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GKDINC:

Oh the newbie's, if they would only do some research. Archie has been doing this longer than some of them have been on this earth.



Oh I see, since I am new to a Fiero forum I must be new to everything in life. Hilarity. I think fastback86 made a great point, I dont even have to add to it.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #142, 05-14-2008 11:12 PM
      here is a pic of the head lights you may need


62 beatle headlamp are very simmilar

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #143, 05-14-2008 11:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:

How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.

Archie do you act like this towards anyone that doesnt share the same opinion of you?


Nope, I save my comments for the dumb butts on RFT who exaggerate & mis-state the facts for the sole purpose of bashing someone.

The "wannabe"s are the those that haven't done anything towards giving the outside world a positve impression of the Fiero & only seek to tear down the Fiero image by throwing hate at those that can & do build innovative Fieros and are showing the Fiero hobby in a more positive light to the outside world.

 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:
On top of that, he only started doing chop tops a few years ago.


This is a great example of what I'm talking about.

He says "a few years", What's "a few" mean? 3 ?

It's actually been 10 years.

Just another example of RFT exaggeration of the facts to continue the hate. You see it everyday over there by people who don't care if what they say is accurate, they only care to spew more hate whatever it takes.

 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:
"That's nice to hear, but it's the same as saying this run down old house is a-ok because it hasn't been condemned yet. The mere fact that other people are building unsafe cars doesn't make this one safe, just safer by comparison. However, in comparison to a stock Fiero spaceframe, it's probably not as safe. And again, if it's never going to see a city street, it's a moot point."

The fact that it's better than the original doesn't automatically make it safe. You've compromised all of the Fiero's crumple zones and weakened the roof structure. I'm sure it will work fine for driving around, but I wouldn't want to be in a crash in it any more than I would want to be in a crash in a real Miura.

And you're a fine one to talk about wanna-be's as you build a knock-off Lamborghini out of an admittedly poor kit.


The customer who owns this car is a member of this Forum & has been reading this thread. Unlike some who only read the pictures & can't be troubled to read the text before making negative comments about this build or any other build for that matter.

The customer has all the information that's in this thread plus about 100 more of the build photos & he's satisfied that the build is going just fine.

So your objection is duly noted. I'm sure you won't be in this car if it ever crashes, so you won't have to worry.

You can come back beat your chest "IF" the car ever falls apart. Until then go back to RFT where you fit in so well.

Excuse me now while I open up a case of "Who really cares what you think".

You have to watch a 15 second commercial but these videos will teach you a lot about the Miura.

You can find more info on the 2 Miura's owned by Jay Leno in Leno's garage.....

This is his Miura S http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=187641

Here is his Yellow P400, he tells you a lot about the chassis in this one http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=207082

Check it out, you might learn something.

Archie



TRiAD MSG #144, 05-14-2008 11:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:

How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.


I do, too...Isn't it great?

I'm SO glad Archie isn't one of those "professional" misfits who says an awful lot, but doesn't actually get anything done - like you guys would have him be.

No, Archie gets things done, and makes no apologies for it. The fact that he's been doing it longer than anyone else around, and does the best work out there, just happens to be a bonus.

~M



Jefrysuko MSG #145, 05-15-2008 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
Check it out, you might learn something.


Thanks for the links. Jay sure did explain allot about the engineering of the car especially the chassis. I liked his comment about the A-pillars "I just liked this period because design ruled everything...no extra thick thing here (pointing to A-pillar) in case you rolled over. If you roll over it's your fault and your an IDIOT"

Edit to correct the quote

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TRiAD MSG #146, 05-15-2008 12:59 AM
      Yeah, those Miuras were the most beautiful car ever penned, but they didn't hold up well to running into tractors, lol!

http://vodpod.com/watch/446...alian-job-intro-1969

...The Stelvio Pass, a little Matt Monroe, and a Miura...Perfection!

~M

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Fastback 86 MSG #147, 05-15-2008 02:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

This is a great example of what I'm talking about.

He says "a few years", What's "a few" mean? 3 ?

It's actually been 10 years.

Just another example of RFT exaggeration of the facts to continue the hate. You see it everyday over there by people who don't care if what they say is accurate, they only care to spew more hate whatever it takes.


You'll have to pardon me if I don't have the precise history of your company committed to memory, it's not a significant piece of information to me. I go to all the trouble to lay out serious concerns and the best you can do is quibble over the exact number of years you've been chopping tops?

 
quote

The customer who owns this car is a member of this Forum & has been reading this thread. Unlike some who only read the pictures & can't be troubled to read the text before making negative comments about this build or any other build for that matter.

The customer has all the information that's in this thread plus about 100 more of the build photos & he's satisfied that the build is going just fine.

So your objection is duly noted. I'm sure you won't be in this car if it ever crashes, so you won't have to worry.

You can come back beat your chest "IF" the car ever falls apart. Until then go back to RFT where you fit in so well.

Excuse me now while I open up a case of "Who really cares what you think".

You have to watch a 15 second commercial but these videos will teach you a lot about the Miura.

You can find more info on the 2 Miura's owned by Jay Leno in Leno's garage.....

This is his Miura S http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=187641

Here is his Yellow P400, he tells you a lot about the chassis in this one http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=207082

Check it out, you might learn something.

Archie


What is it that makes you think that I want you to fail? I've made a point to compliment your work and offer constructive criticism along with my concerns and you accuse me of being an illiterate hater who's sole drive in life is to make up reasons to bash you. Why? Because I post on RFT? Oh no! Some one call the authorities! Guild by association has never been a valid argument. Read up on it, you might learn something. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

I watched the videos, and I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. Basically, you just proved my points. Jay says in the videos that they're essentially unsafe cars in an accident, they had little structural rigidity and that they were only produced until the government instituted safety standards. Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? Congratulations, you've taken a very safe car and turned it into an unsafe one. I hope the owner never has to find out just how unsafe it's become. I also found it rather ironic that the 15 second commercial was one extolling the 137 safety features of the Saturn Vue. You're still falling back on the same flawed argument that because the original car was unsafe, it's ok to make this car unsafe. Two wrongs don't make a right.

So thank you for wasting a lot of time. I believe I said in my original post that "if it's going to be a show car and rarely driven in the street, it's probably not a big deal." I even clarified it in my next post by saying that "it's a moot point," so I'm really wondering why we're having this conversation. I was just curious if the owner was concerned about crash safety. You responded with a nice, professional answer and I accepted it and all was well. Then, you decided you needed to take ambiguous pot shots at me for some reason. To what end? What are you trying to prove? That I post on RFT? Big deal, lots of people do. As you said, I won't have to worry if the car is ever in an accident, so why are you so concerned with my safety questions? Is it because you don't have good answers for them, or is it because you've become so hyper sensitive about RFT trolls that you go straight into attack mode when someone has questions about your work? Excuse me for worrying about your customer's safety, I didn't realize how little you cared about it yourself.


TRiAD MSG #148, 05-15-2008 04:21 AM
      What an intelligent response.

You need to ask yourself; do you wish to be a productive member here, or are you only trying to stir things up?

If it's the latter, you need to go somewhere else.



Emc209i (emc209i@yahoo.com) MSG #149, 05-15-2008 05:30 AM
      Productivity and recklessness don't go well together. I'd hate to be in that car should it flip. But then again there are cars that are just as hazardous, such as convertibles.

TRiAD MSG #150, 05-15-2008 06:19 AM
      OK, meat and potaters time...Are you a structural engineer? How many vehicular chassis have you personally designed and/or built? Are you intimately familiar with Archie's modifications on this project?

Yes, what we're getting to is: other than your gut feeling, what makes you qualified to make that call?

~M



Emc209i (emc209i@yahoo.com) MSG #151, 05-15-2008 08:28 AM
      You must be joking....

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normsf (normvandermee@sbcglobal.net) MSG #152, 05-15-2008 11:17 AM
      Hello I was kinda enjoying this thread as I think the Muira is the most beautiful automobile ever. Thanks Norm

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #153, 05-15-2008 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


The customer is a Fiero fan who's into Fieros. He's doing something to his Fiero that no one else has done, so he is one of us & not some kit car guy looking for the cheapest way to build something.




Independence has been declared! Touch. Now back to the build.



myfierogt (jeremiah.curtin@offutt.af.mil) MSG #154, 05-15-2008 12:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TRiAD:

What an intelligent response.

You need to ask yourself; do you wish to be a productive member here, or are you only trying to stir things up?

If it's the latter, you need to go somewhere else.


Having an opinion that differs from Archie's many minions does not mean things are getting stirred up. Seriously anytime someone on this site doesnt like his work, or calls him out on something they get rated off the site(which is the dumbest thing to ever have on a forum). All the rating system means is "we dont like this person he doesnt agree with us, lets get rid of him and go back to living in a box".

If you guys dont like the posts over on RFT, its simple....STOP GOING OVER THERE.


Archie you cause your own trouble from what I have seen. I'm sure you will come back blasting me about how you been doing this 20+ years yaddayaddayadda, still doesnt matter since you act just like the people you are arguing with. Ever read your "comebacks" in your own post?

Some of the stuff your customers have done end up looking nice, but everyone here doesnt have to nutswing. Its a fiero internet forum, there shouldnt be an Archie Brigade that chooses who stays and who gets banned.
Do you all PM each other to get the ban stick rolling or what?



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #155, 05-15-2008 12:46 PM
      Fantastic car!! I can't wait to see more pictures!! Those VW headlights look close bubbajoexxx, I wonder how the would measure up to the car.

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #156, 05-15-2008 01:18 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:


Oh I see, since I am new to a Fiero forum I must be new to everything in life. Hilarity. I think fastback86 made a great point, I dont even have to add to it.



Once the question has been answered it is considered rude and "inconsiderate" to continue in the discussion, especially to the owner of the replica Muir, the person whom initiated the thread, and to those enjoying this thread.

 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:

If you guys dont like the posts over on RFT, its simple....STOP GOING OVER THERE.



The same could be asked of you, If you want to continue in this argument, go to the Insurgent site and declare your independence.

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myfierogt (jeremiah.curtin@offutt.af.mil) MSG #157, 05-15-2008 01:46 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


The same could be asked of you, If you want to continue in this argument, go to the Insurgent site and declare your independence.



Oh I'm sorry, only people that give praise can comment in this thread. You are obviously biased when speaking about the person who happens to have your vehicles! Where is that David guy to offer his opinion.


Fastback 86 MSG #158, 05-15-2008 02:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TRiAD:

What an intelligent response.

You need to ask yourself; do you wish to be a productive member here, or are you only trying to stir things up?

If it's the latter, you need to go somewhere else.


Hypocritical much? You need to ask yourself this: when was I ever talking to you before now?


Fastback 86 MSG #159, 05-15-2008 02:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Once the question has been answered it is considered rude and "inconsiderate" to continue in the discussion, especially to the owner of the replica Muir, the person whom initiated the thread, and to those enjoying this thread.



Do try to recall that I asked my question, received a response, and let the issue die. Archie was the one that decided to pick it back up and throw a few more shots at me.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #160, 05-15-2008 03:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:

If you guys dont like the posts over on RFT, its simple....STOP GOING OVER THERE.


My thoughts exactly, If you guys don't like the posts on PFF, it's simple...... STOP COMING OVER HERE.

In truth, if it wasn't for the build threads on PFF, you guys would have nothing to post about on RFT.

 
quote
Originally posted by myfierogt:
Some of the stuff your customers have done end up looking nice, but everyone here doesnt have to nutswing. Its a fiero internet forum, there shouldnt be an Archie Brigade that chooses who stays and who gets banned.
Do you all PM each other to get the ban stick rolling or what?


Actually, I've never exchanged PM's or EMails with anyone on PFF about voting negatives for anyone. You guys have earned every negative you've recieved one at a time.

So what was your previous screen name on PFF? You've only got 8 posts right now but you talk like you've been here for a while.

Archie

Now, if you don't mind, we'd like to get back to the build.

You guys can take your bashing back to the sewer where where it fits right in with everything else going on over there.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #161, 05-15-2008 04:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
In truth, if it wasn't for the build threads on PFF, you guys would have nothing to post about on RFT.





Bingo! For virtually everything discussed here (V8Archie related) on good ole' Pennock's is being discussed over there. They're like a bad marriage/relationship that has ended, but instead of moving on; they keep coming back in a drunken state; flicking on every thread asking for a fight.

"Declare your Independence"- what a joke. You can't declare "independence" if you haven't move on.



Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #162, 05-15-2008 04:41 PM
      In case anyone wonders, "myfierogt" wasn't banned because people "ganged up" on him. He was banned because I banned him. There was something familiar about him so I checked my logs. Turns out he is the recently banned member "zimmer" who made it a hobby jumping into "Archie" threads and bash him but was banned and apparently re-joined to finish the job.

Now normally, if you are banned and return without the system detecting it, and this time around you behave, then kudos to you. But it's obvious why "myfierogt" returned and thus why he got banned again.


TRiAD MSG #163, 05-15-2008 05:12 PM
      Yup, that would be Cliff, in the corner, quietly considering his Louisville Slugger...
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"...Indeed!


...Now...Back to the build!!!

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Jefrysuko MSG #164, 05-15-2008 06:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

But it's obvious why "myfierogt" returned and thus why he got banned again.


Interesting, his very first post was actually in my thread where I am trying to sell my 2.8 V6 in order to start on my V8 swap.

I don't know if he was showing interest in order to mess with me because I'm doing a V8 swap or if he was really interested. Either way he messed up his plans by exposing himself in this thread.


Formula88 MSG #165, 05-18-2008 09:12 PM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #166, 06-06-2008 12:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by TRiAD:
...Now...Back to the build!!!





OK, it looks like the dust has cleared.

Since we left off, we've removed the body from the chassis & are welding up the chassis some more in places we couldn't get to with the body on.



Here's an example of the many places we have to do the finish steel work.

This is the door jamb on the drivers side........ before.......



after.........



Working on building the rear window mounting frame.....





Overall, this chassis looks a lot like the chassis on my GT40 looked at this point in it's construction.



Archie


kawana (shawnyb@ymail.com) MSG #167, 06-06-2008 12:45 AM
      looking good.... but you need a better camera

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #168, 06-06-2008 01:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kawana:

looking good.... but you need a better camera


Yeah, you're right. Or I need a steadier hand.

Yeah, I think it's the camera.

A


JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #169, 06-06-2008 09:16 AM
      .

[This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 04-21-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #170, 06-06-2008 10:42 PM
      We did a bunch more welding on the car today.

While moving cars around in the shop, we decided to take it outside for some fresh air.











Archie


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #171, 06-07-2008 01:05 AM
      Need about an inch in lowering Arch

Cordially,
Kevin


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #172, 06-07-2008 05:13 AM
      Love the fabrication ..hopefully Jay Leno will drive it and compare it to his "stable" of Miuras

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #173, 06-07-2008 11:27 AM
      I like what I see so far Archie. Even I have doubted some of your fabrication over the years but the test of time has proved it worked. This one looks pretty damn strong to me despite what the naysayers say. Hell it has more structure to it than a huge chunk of the production cars on the road.

Just a question though. The parts of the framework near the front and back wheels, are they going to be trimmed down at a later stage or are they overhanging for some reason I have yet to work out?


seegeer (seegeer@yahoo.com) MSG #174, 06-07-2008 03:47 PM
      archie,
i have been reading this post and first off, i would like to say i think its awesome. i have been admiring your work since i join the forum about a year ago. what a lot of people do not seem to realize it the extensive amount of research and time thats involved in your work. to customize something, but yet make it safe, realiable and look good to boot is not an easy task. you have done alot of creative things and i enjoy the products you make, with that being said, i have a question about the build

what are your plans for the frame as far as a "finished product", or is it finished now besides the powdercoating? what i am talking about are the areas that appear that they could be plated for strength or filled in with fiberglass matting for a cleaner more finished look. just curious, thanks for the build...
spence


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #175, 06-07-2008 08:29 PM
      Thanks guys.

As with many of my threads on PFF this is a build thread. People say that threads suck without pictures, so I make sure there are lots of pics in my threads.

Because they are build threads, all of the pictures in the threads should be considered in process pictures. It's my hope that posting pictures of a build makes other Fiero owners be less afraid to go after some of their own dreams for their cars. Some people would be surprised at what they can do themselves with proper planning & care.

In process pics tend to show the good, bad & the ugly of the building process. None of my in process pics are "posed" it's a waste of my customers' money to clean up & paint everything everytime we take some pics. Typically I take pics of just about everything we do in one of these builds. Many times I take more than 50 pictures a day but less than 10% are used in online build threads. In some of my build threads, I've had people state that "The car should be lowered" or "the brakes appear to be too small for the wheels that are on the car". Guess what, that's because we haven't got to that part yet.

Someplace on this Forum there is a build thread on my GT40. In that thread, you'll find lots of pictures of the chassis & if you look thru the pics from beginning to end, you can see how the chassis went from "ugly, he'll never get it done" to "ready to take to paint" as you know, it doesn't happen overnite. It takes lots of planning & labor.

In the case with the latest pics I posted, we had to move a couple of cars around in the shop & the Miura had to be rolled outside. While it was out there, I decided to take some pics.

There's still a lot of metalwork & welding yet to do before we can send it out to powdercoat. In the above pics notice that the left side door jam area is much more finished than the same area on the right side. The rear window mounting flange is finished in these pics but wasn't even started in previous pics.

Our goal is to get ALL the chassis metalwork & welding done before we sent it out for powdercoating. I'm sure we'll miss something that will have to be welded later but we're trying to get it all at this point.

You'll notice 2 lengths of 2x2 box tubing running at the door sill plates at what will be the top of the rocker panels. They are connected to each other with 2x2 cripples. You'll notice that they tie together side to side via the 1x3 retangular boxes that form the cowl just above the heater box. Behind the doors the dual sill boxes are tied together by the structure that goes across the back of the car at the base of the rear window. While a lot of the original Fiero chassis is still there, you'll find a lot of steel tying it all together.

This build is real simillar to my Gt40 build & that car was extremely solid.

The plan is that the ends of the two 2x2 sill plate boxes will have a 2x2 box going in towards the center of the car and tie into the chassis at that point. These pcs. will double as a mounting point for the inner wheel well liners.

Among other things, we still have to build a trunk area for the Muira between the 2 rear verticals just above the rear cradle mounts. We will be welding in sheet metal between the front frame horns & 1x3's going fromt the cowl to the nose. This will also form the inside of the front wheel well. We still have a lot of open ends on the rails, they will be boxed in & closed off.

From the interior side, metal will have to be cut & welded in place under the sills & in the rear corners of the passenger compartment to close them off. Provisions will have to be made for the later mounting of rubber seals around all openings. We have pieces of a very crude dash & console, we will have to be welding in any mounting tabs we might need for the dash installation & we also will have to decide on an overhead console & make provisions for mounting that.

Inside the doors, the kit provides no provisions for hinging & window mechanisms. We've already designed hinges & mounted a steel plate in the front of the door for them but we still have to provide strength to the door & mounting points for the unknown window systems by running a steel frame inside the doors.

This is just an example of what remains to be done.

At some point, soon I hope, we'll be ready to send the chassis out to be powdercoated. We will show pics of it heading out at that time.

At that time I also plan to take the Forum for a picture tour of that powdercoating operation to show you what all is involved in running a powdercoat operation.

As you know, the body for this car was made in the U.K. & the panels are starting to warp & lose their shape. The panels were made with a very rich resin/glass ratio, so when we start working on the final body installation, we will have to do some heavy body reglassing. We will also be building a steel framework to glass into the inside of some of the larger body panels to help them retain their shape once the car is complete.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 06-07-2008).]

seegeer (seegeer@yahoo.com) MSG #176, 06-07-2008 08:51 PM
      thanks archie,
i can picture the car as you explain the process. nice work
spence


DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #177, 06-07-2008 09:01 PM
      WOW You are the man Archie!! That is the best fabrication I have ever seen. I love it!!

CowsPatoot MSG #178, 06-08-2008 02:51 AM
      The car looks great, Archie....with that said, I hope the following isn't taken too harshly (because it isn't meant to be harsh).

I've been following this thread because the Miura is one of my favorite cars. Along with some of the other people here, I too question the safety of it...but I think they are looking at this from the wrong point of view. A large portion of the safety of a vehicle isn't so much the rigidity of the frame and it's ability to resist collision damage...but it's ability to crush in a controlled manner to minimize the forces of the collision on the driver and passenger. Unfortunately, this is a quality that can only be determined with crash tests...which I hope nobody does with this car. Yes....I question this cars safety. But I also recognize that every vehicle has compromises. You can't have the stiffest structure possible, and still protect the driver and passenger the best way possible in a collision. Stiffer structure aids performance. I would assume that you are focusing on maximum performance without compromising safety rather than maximum safety....which is exactly the way I would want my own Miura replica built.

Anyone that is questioning your methods, or the final results, need only look at your past builds. My car isn't pretty right now either...but at least you have past experience to fall back on. Can't wait to see more.


PaulJK MSG #179, 06-08-2008 05:21 AM
      Archie - i just sent you an e-mail on a different subject. All i can say is that you REALLY know how to build an amazing car

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #180, 06-20-2008 07:46 PM
      Any updates ?

Gokart Mozart MSG #181, 06-20-2008 10:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

While moving cars around in the shop, we decided to take it outside for some fresh air.

Archie


It almost looks like with a few more beams and some sheet metal you could cut the Pontiac out of the car...


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #182, 07-09-2008 09:07 PM
      Ok, it's been a month since I've put any updates up.

But we've been working. The chassis is headed over for powdercoating this week.

You can compare the following pictures to the last set of pictures & see that we've added a lot of stuff to it.

I was going to try to describe what all we've done but there's too much stuff to detail here, so we'll let the pictures do the talking.















Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #183, 07-09-2008 09:19 PM
     











Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #184, 07-09-2008 09:23 PM
     







There will be many more pics after powdercoating but it will be harder to see everything when the whole chassis is all one color.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #185, 07-09-2008 09:25 PM
      Almost forgot, I also did a little video of it today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSf97Cgi3r8

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 07-10-2008).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #186, 07-10-2008 08:31 PM
      Video link fixed

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #187, 07-11-2008 09:38 AM
      WIth those latest pics I am picturing it with Mad Max style bodywork, a few gun mounts and bullbars.

Can't wait to see it powdercoated.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #188, 07-16-2008 09:32 PM
      Today, it's off to powdercoating.......











Archie


SAFASTRO MSG #189, 07-17-2008 01:23 AM
      WOW.....this thing is going to be freakin awesome!!!!!!
Great work there guys!!!! Solid as a rock.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #190, 07-17-2008 01:54 AM
      Hey Archie, which process is better, pors-15 or powder coating?

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #191, 07-28-2008 08:16 PM
      bumpity bump I need IMPUT can't do these things any more so I need to see more

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #192, 07-28-2008 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

bumpity bump I need IMPUT can't do these things any more so I need to see more


The chassis should be back from Powdercoating later this week.

BTW, I saw your project & talked to it's new owner extensively at the 25th.

Good work.

Archie


He Named Thor MSG #193, 07-29-2008 02:15 AM
      Wow! Looks great! This is gonna be a sweet ride when it's done.

phoenixbeginning (phoenixbeginning@yahoo.com) MSG #194, 07-29-2008 02:41 AM
      Archie one question...The chassis looks beautiful and very very solid.
But in relationship from stripped frame weight of the Fiero to what you have now...how much heavier is the car going to be ?
I m considering on my v-8 swap to strengthen the frame (since the whole engine compartment will be tube frame) just wanted to stay around factory weight at finish product.


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #195, 07-29-2008 04:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by phoenixbeginning:

Archie one question...The chassis looks beautiful and very very solid.
But in relationship from stripped frame weight of the Fiero to what you have now...how much heavier is the car going to be ?
I m considering on my v-8 swap to strengthen the frame (since the whole engine compartment will be tube frame) just wanted to stay around factory weight at finish product.



Good question..Archie have you weighed the modded frame?


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #196, 07-29-2008 04:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

bumpity bump I need IMPUT can't do these things any more so I need to see more

Bubba, if you were to get together with Archie on as a design consultant ...


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #197, 07-29-2008 11:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Erik:

Bubba, if you were to get together with Archie on as a design consultant ...


Archie is doing a fine job as it is he dose not need my 2 cents but if he had anyquestions for me I would answer them gladly if I can


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #198, 07-29-2008 11:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


The chassis should be back from Powdercoating later this week.

BTW, I saw your project & talked to it's new owner extensively at the 25th.

Good work.

Archie[/QU


Thanks for the coments Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #199, 08-03-2008 11:49 PM
      We're still waiting for the chassis to come back from the powdercoating.

In the meantime the owner has had some new custom seats made for it.

I think they look pretty good.







Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #200, 08-04-2008 07:58 AM
      not bad at all as lone as they are not to wide for rhe fiero floor pan

ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #201, 08-04-2008 11:10 AM
      Been following this for a while, cool project. One question though. How does the strength of the front screen/roof area compare to the strength of the original Fiero. Since the A pillars are attached to what appear to be legs pointing rearwards from the frame it just looks (to me anyway) that that whole area would be prone to collapse in a roll over (and having survived one I have a vested interest in car safety!).
Not criticizing the work or anything Archie, I'm always impressed by the work you guys turn out, just interested that all.



Fastback 86 MSG #202, 08-04-2008 12:11 PM
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by ltlfrari:

Been following this for a while, cool project. One question though. How does the strength of the front screen/roof area compare to the strength of the original Fiero. Since the A pillars are attached to what appear to be legs pointing rearwards from the frame it just looks (to me anyway) that that whole area would be prone to collapse in a roll over (and having survived one I have a vested interest in car safety!).
Not criticizing the work or anything Archie, I'm always impressed by the work you guys turn out, just interested that all.



Go back to page 4. The short answer is: the owner is fine with it as it is, so don't ask questions.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #203, 08-04-2008 01:06 PM
      I knew someone was going to ask that again.

Even tho the custom was fine with it as has been stated, we did test it.

Before the chassis went to Powdercoating, we put a dial indicator (with magnetic base) in a position 3" inboard of the corners of the bar along the top of the windshield area. Then we loaded it with about 400 lb & had a total deflection of .043".

That's without the windshield or any of the bodywork on it.

I have not had a chance to take the same test on a stock Fiero chassis for comparison but I think the stock chassis would be about the same.

Archie


psychosurfer MSG #204, 08-04-2008 01:37 PM
      Seems that a lot of "concern" has been brought up about safety. Last time I checked there were LOTS of motorcycles on the road as well, weird that no one seems concerned about their roll-over safety! LOL!!

Looks GREAT! Nice work as usual Archie!


JazzMan (jazzman@fierocentral.com) MSG #205, 08-04-2008 01:48 PM
      .

[This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 04-21-2009).]

ltlfrari (dave_ellis_@hotmail.com) MSG #206, 08-04-2008 02:06 PM
      OK, OK! I did what I shoulda done first and went back over the thread and I now I've seen it again I do remember seeing this question asked before (doh on may part!) so sorry if I upset anyone. I was just curious as to the relative strengths that's all.



jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #207, 08-05-2008 08:13 AM
      It seems to me that the original Fiero structural design achieves some of its rollover safety potential from the rear baskethandle feature which serves partially as a makeshift roll bar .The baskethandle then ties through the roof to the A pillars. But the roof has only 2 lateral sheet metal runners tying it to the A pillars because of the sun roof feature. However , the rear baskethandle "rollbar" while wide is not especially stout in terms of its wall thickness.Nevertheless , tying the rear "rollbar to the A pillars through the roof creates something of a rollcage structure to the original design.
Looking at Archies' design on the Miura project , the rear rollbar feature is double reinforced vertically although not as wide as the original design , is composed of square tubing and the roof has 4 square tube runners tying it to the A pillars instead of just 2 lengths of roof metal. So the essential elements of the "rollcage" design are also present and preserved in Archies' Miura design and in some respects structural elements have been strengthened .
I feel it is this "rollcage" configuration that is common to both designs that confers the relatively good rollover protection reputation acquired by Fieros and not A pillar thickness per se . No convertible or roadster is safe in a rollover . Therefore many incorporate rollbars as an aftermarket installation.
As such I am quite satisfied with the relative degree of safety incorporated into Archies' build and agree with a previous post that a more likely threat will be car jacking .


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #208, 08-11-2008 10:55 PM
      For those who live near Monterey, CA, the Councours week has officially begun:

Exotic and collectors cars will be shown an auctioned off throughout Monterey, Pebble Beach, Carmel, etc.

I already saw a gorgeous Lamborghini Miura S in yellow.

There will be a few more Miuras auctioned off, including Miura S, Miura SV, and Jotta. All of them

Check out: http://www.edmunds.com/insi...mns/articleId=130090



http://www.rmauctions.com/F...D=r103&SaleCode=MO08
This is one of many auction houses present this week.

 
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from: " TARGET=_blank>http://www.rmauctions.com/F...3&SaleCode=MO08"[/B]
385bhp at 7,850 rpm, 3,929 cc transverse mounted alloy V12 quad-cam engine, Weber carburetors, five-speed manual gearbox, independent front and rear suspension with A-arms, coil springs with tubular shocks and anti-roll bars, four-wheel disc brakes. Wheelbase: 98.4"

This was where it all started the first production automobile to prove itself worthy of the supercar tag. Prior to the Lamborghini Miura's arrival in 1967 many sports cars had offered high levels of performance and handling. The Miura however was the first built around the criteria that define our modern concept of the supercar: massive speed and jaw-dropping design coupled with technical innovation; together with a wallet-wilting price tag to which only the wealthiest could aspire.

As legend has it, the founding of Automobili Ferruccio Lamborghini was inspired by Signore Lamborghinis displeasure with the clutch in his Ferrari, the latest of several that he had owned. As a wealthy industrialist and manufacturer of agricultural machinery, he took his complaint to Signore Enzo Ferrari himself. He may indeed have remained a happy customer after this encounter if things had gone differently. Instead he felt disrespected, his opinions ignored as those of a simple tractor builder.

Signore Lamborghini became determined at that point to build a better car. He chose the bull as his companys symbol ostensibly because Taurus was his birth sign but there are many who cannot dismiss the obvious the bull is a very stubborn animal and more powerful by far than the cavallino (horse). Some might call this hubris, the Italians have another word: vendetta.

Since Signore Lamborghinis ambitions were large he wanted more than simply to create a beautiful, well-handling sports car he demanded that the engine be originated by Lamborghini as well. So he enlisted Giotto Bizzarrini the father of the legendary Ferrari GTO, and one of the engineers driven out of Ferrari during the palace revolt of November, 1961, to create an all-new four-cam V-12 engine, initially displacing 3.5 liters. The debut Lamborghini model was the 350GT, featuring an unusual, bubble top design with frog eye headlights by Carrozzeria Touring. Viewed as an interesting exercise in exotica, it was a remarkably well-balanced package and the engine in particular received accolades from the motoring press.

By 1967 the latest version of this powerplant (by now enlarged to 4.0 litres) was used for an entirely new, even revolutionary new model the iconic Lamborghini Miura. First shown to a stunned public in March, 1966 at the Geneva Salon, the Miura was the brainchild of seven young engineers working after hours at Lamborghini on this radical new sports car. In fact, credit for the design goes to Marcello Gandini at Bertone, who was only 22 at the time. Under the guidance of New Zealand engineer Bob Wallace, the Miura's chassis was tuned to deliver the handling needed to contain and exploit the prodigious power available. With double wishbone suspension at each corner (in best racing tradition) it was very advanced for a road car. The mid-mounted engine was fitted transversely to allow for a more compact overall stance an engineering solution inspired by none other than the Austin Mini. The original sketches also called for a glass engine cover and a three-seat layout with the driver in the middle and each of two passengers on either side. Although the latter feature never made it to the production Miuras, it re-emerged on future supercars, most notably on the McLaren F1. The glass cover was also never used but the rear window louvers used in production were an industry first. As the engine was no longer front-mounted but rather posteriore, the first generation of Miuras were named P400s. This turned out to be a sensational, trendsetting decision. Almost immediately the young Lamborghini marque leapfrogged to the head of the class, well ahead of both Ferrari and Maserati with this innovative mid-engine configuration.

The specifications are still impressive today: a lightweight frame, all independent suspension, four-wheel disc brakes and a well-proven, wonderful-sounding V12 engine breathing through four triple throat Webers. With 350 brake horsepower on tap, the car was capable of nearly 180 miles per hour in the hands of the brave, which was more than a match for any other road-going production car. Clothed by that unmistakable, heart-stopping shape, formed in aluminum, the Miura was the stuff of dreams.

A process of evolution and improvement was maintained throughout the life of the Miura and in 1968, the S, for spinto (or, tuned) version appeared, boasting 370 brake horsepower, updated brakes and numerous other enhancements. Faster, more stable, with better braking and more luxuriously appointed, it was a large step forward from its already magnificent forebear.

Undoubtedly the most accomplished of all Miura variants however was the SV. S for spinto, V for veloce (fast), it Lamborghini's final evolution of their seminal supercar. Once again launched at the Geneva Salon, in 1971 the SV took a significantly greater stride forward in development terms than the S had been over the original P400. Starting with further development to the chassis, the front and rear suspensions were completely re-engineered to improve handling (most profoundly reducing oversteer). The rear suspension geometry was changed from lower triangles to lower quadrilaterals to handle the much wider, Pirelli Cintauratos on nine-inch Campagnolo wheels. The ventilated disc brakes offered on the later S models became standard. Mechanically, output was increased yet further with the SV pumping out a heart-pounding 385 brake horsepower at 7850rpm.

This was primarily accomplished by enlarged inlet ports, modified cam timing and altered carburetors, while aesthetically Bertone made a number of subtle changes that help differentiate the SV from earlier incarnations. The most striking of these were the now bulging of the rear wheel arches to accommodate the wider wheels, adding a smartly purposeful look to the already distinctive shape. Gandini's distinctive slatted eyelashes were dropped in favor of a smoother, matte black-painted headlight surround and a more integrated front bumper housing larger supplementary lenses. At the rear were revised light clusters which incorporated reverse units for the first time. The cockpit was now fully trimmed in sumptuous leather. During the autumn of 1971, an optional self-blocking ZF differential became available and a dry sump lubrication system was fitted, the latter eliminating the bearing damage that some earlier Miuras had suffered after consistently hard driving. At the end of the day, the Miura SV was the fastest production vehicle on the planet.

Despite the widely held impression that the SV was clearly the best Miura yet, only 150 were built because it was announced alongside Lamborghini's prototype LP500 Countach. Virtually overnight, demand slowed to a mere trickle. Thus, the SV was more or less doomed from the outset which was a great shame as the true potential of this revolutionary car was finally fulfilled. Production ended in early 1973 although it was not until autumn that the last deliveries were made.

An exercise in automotive art - Road & Track Magazine, April, 1970


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #209, 08-14-2008 03:01 PM
      update needed please

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #210, 08-21-2008 01:43 PM
      We finally got the chassis back from Powdercoating.

The guy that does my Powdercoating is Motorsport Powdercoating at 4152 Industrial Court in Delavan, WI 53115

The owners name is Tim, he's been doing all my Powdercoating for about 8 or 9 years.

He started out working on small items in his garage & has built the business into a huge operation.

I had him take pictures of this process all the way thru the operation.

So before you see the pics I took of the finished product, you are going to get a tour of how Powdercoating is done by a professional.

When they got the chassis they put it in a rotisserie to make it easier for the media blasting. That way they can media blast all the steel properly.













Then they did the media blasting. note some of the pics were taken when there was media dust in the air.





They took the time to blast up around & under all of the chassis & steel work we put in....





more to come......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #211, 08-21-2008 02:05 PM
      After blasting all the surface rust & dirt are gone & it's looking good already.

















After blasting all the dust is blown & washed out of the chassis out of the chassis. After the washing the chassis is put in one of the ovens to dry up any moisture.....





All the treads & holes are plugged prior to doing the Powdercoating processes.....



Time for a lunch break......




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #212, 08-21-2008 03:17 PM
      Continuing......

Next while the chassis is still on the fixture, they phosphate the chassis.



In this picture they are getting ready to transfer the chassis from the rotisserie to the overhead rail system. Tim has an overhead rail system to make it easier to move heavy items from one area of his shop to another area.

Here they're hooking it up to the overhead rail system....connecting hooks from overhead.....



Unbolting from the rotisserie....





Here they're putting on the 1st coat of the powdercoating....



The 1st coat is on......



Here they're putting the chassis in the oven to Flash that 1st coat. Pretty big oven wouldn't you say? One of Tim's clients makes Kit Airplane kits that he sells worldwide. Tim Powdercoats the kit Airplane chassis' for them. In addition to tons of atuomotive parts he Powdercoats, he also has a client who rebuilds used exercize equipment & he Powdercoats a lot of that stuff too.

Notice how the overhead rail system runs right into the oven.



then the chassis is pulled out of the oven.....



After cooling, it's back into the paint booth for the last coat of powdercoating.....



Here the 2nd coat is put on.....



Then back into oven for the final cure....



And here's what it looked like when they were getting ready to bring it back to us....







Next I'll show you pics of what it looked like out in the sunshine after we unloaded it.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #213, 08-21-2008 04:52 PM
     

















In the next few days we'll put the suspension & wheels/tires on it & take it back outside for pics. again.

Archie


katatak MSG #214, 08-21-2008 05:00 PM
      Seems a shame to cover up all that great work and powdercoating with some "old lambo" body panels....lol. Looks good Archie!

xunedeinx (justin.acito.toc@gmail.com) MSG #215, 08-21-2008 08:10 PM
      See-thru plexi-glass miura!!!!

PLEASE! that powdercoat is so nice.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #216, 08-21-2008 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by xunedeinx:

See-thru plexi-glass miura!!!!

PLEASE! that powdercoat is so nice.


I know.

I like the job they did so well that from now, on major projects, on it's going to be hard not to do the whole chassis Powdercoating thing.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #217, 08-29-2008 09:42 PM
      I thought I'd show you a few pics of the ROLLING chassis.

















This chassis will be one of the items on display at the V-8 Archie Open House on Sept. 6th part of the 2008 FieroRama Weekend.

Archie


xunedeinx (justin.acito.toc@gmail.com) MSG #218, 08-29-2008 09:46 PM
      It isnt a rolling chassis unless theres a youtube of you ghost riding it down a nearby hill!

Dizzixx (dizzixx@gmail.com) MSG #219, 08-30-2008 01:11 AM
      Gawd Damn!

Archie I hope some day I can grow up to be just like you


kwagner MSG #220, 08-30-2008 08:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Once the windshield is in, will there be any clearance issues with the steering wheel?


jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #221, 08-30-2008 10:23 AM
      The steering wheel looks like a tilt steering wheel. Archie's post on the last page dated 7-09-08 shows some better pictures displaying how the steering wheel relates to the wind shield. Look at pics 3, 4,& 5 and 13, 14 & 15 in that series to get a better look at how the steering wheel will relate to the large curved windshield .

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #222, 09-10-2008 11:29 PM
      The time has come to start with the body work.





I think I mentioned earlier in this thread, I know for sure that the customer & I have talked about it, that the body panels were of marginal resin rich fiberglass. As such they have been moving around. Now that we have the chassis ready to go, we have to do what it takes to get the body panels in the right shape & get it to stay there.

The biggest problem we expect to have is with the rear clip. The "sideburns" in front of the rear wheel wells have moved in about 12" total. The glass is real resin rich & thick & it's going to take a lot of work to get it in the correct position & even more work to try to get it to stay where we put it.

In these pics, we actually spread the rear clip out by hand as we were closing it.







We went up underneath the rear clip & made some cuts in the fiberglass to try to get it to loosen up a bit. We also put some heat to the fender crowns to try to get it to open up a bit. In some of the pics, you can see wrinkles in the fenders.

This is pretty serious work, this is the heat gun we had to use to heat it up.....



Then Rob hand bent a steel framework to hold the body in shape. This steel & a little more will be glassed in tomorrow.





So far this steel is helping to hold the body shape....



Archie




Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #223, 09-14-2008 05:49 AM
      Nice project Archie,

New at the forum here.. just found this thread registred right away. Haven't yet read all about this Miura project will do so soon! I also have a Miura body and also have the Prova chassis with it although I don't think I will be using the chassis. The Miura is stored and will be stored some years before I might start that project. Here a picture how it is stored.



Like the powerplant !!! could be interesting to use it.
Just wonder how much this Miura Fiero will weight with all those steel tubes. Looks a bit heavy especially the tubes laminated into the bodywork.. I was more thinking about using some alloy tubes of 8 mm or so.. The original Prova chassis is heavy too.. a bit tooo heavy to my personal liking.. so I might look for other options or built my own!?

I know of about 4 Miura replica owners... all in storage/building phase.
Did you get the side windows? I still need those and others too.. Possible the bodywork will not be 100% similar at the windscreen between original Miura and the different body works.. I have the windscreen, the original one, and it fits perfectly but yes I was told too that the body was modified to accept it as the orignal Prova body was no 100% fit.

Cheers, Theo


Jake_Dragon MSG #224, 09-15-2008 07:03 AM
      I have been thinking, couldn't you use a good sized hole saw to lighten up the steel in the body work? It would still be strong enough but it would take some of the weight off of the rear clam shell. It would also allow water to drain instead of collecting inside the tubes and rusting out.
I would never drill holes in a support frame but for body work I think it would be strong enough.

Just a thought.

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jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #225, 09-20-2008 09:28 AM
      I would be interested to see some pics of the chassis that Theo owns that originally came with the Prova body .I heard It had a reputation of having significant amounts of flex and was not stiff enough to take a large torque engine , but I have never seen one. Theo , would you be so kind as to send some pics of the Prova chassis to this thread ? I think comparing it to Archie's modified Fiero chassis would be interesting .

Bremertonfiero (anderson.b@wavecable.com) MSG #226, 09-20-2008 07:25 PM
      archie in that back lot how many fieros were there? i counted over 10...

Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #227, 09-23-2008 02:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jbuell:

I would be interested to see some pics of the chassis that Theo owns that originally came with the Prova body .I heard It had a reputation of having significant amounts of flex and was not stiff enough to take a large torque engine , but I have never seen one. Theo , would you be so kind as to send some pics of the Prova chassis to this thread ? I think comparing it to Archie's modified Fiero chassis would be interesting .


Engine option Audi V6


Main section.. heavy steel used for front and rear bodywork, alloy would be much nicer


Reinforcement (tunnel) for chassis to minimize flex know from original Prova chassis


Complete chassis


Some parts I don't plan to use... fit the original Miura wheel


Workshop


Cheers, Theo

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Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #228, 09-24-2008 03:19 PM
      Ok to comment on the Prova chassis once more... It is the same beside some minor details as the one used for the Countach replica of Prova. The flex is in due to mainly the lack of a reinforcement at the middle (missing tunnel which is welded in in mine) of the chassis. At least this is what I heard. Originally it was designed to take donor parts of Renault (V6) and Fiat x1/9 plus Ford Taunus typical English. To my liking the chassis is way tooo heavy as it uses very big steel tubes and also the suspension hasn't been developed real nice. Using a Fiero instead is not a bad idea. The way Archie has done it (now that I have read all and seen all) looks good. Reinforcements are quite heavy I think still but this will do the job for sure... not forgetting there will be serious power this is not a bad thing. These guys have experience so I might be wrong when I think it is a bit too much...

Makes me wonder about the roof section... wonder how it compares to the original Fiero? Is it weaker or similar? If one compares it to other kitcars it is good I recon. A detail picture of the A-pillar would be interesting to me. My daily car is the yellow Matra Murena that can be seen in the workshop picture... it can be compared to a Fiero ahum .. will be interesting to compare roof structure. Don't compare it to my Sylva/Fisher Fury's (the other cars in the workshop) these have totally no steel in the A-pillar.... made to drive, race and not to crash.

My plan's ? no idea.. wait and see... make a new chassis and use suspension parts from other kit/race suppliers.. eg. Tornado sportscars or who knows.. or even get a Fiero or Murena as donor. One thing is clear there should be a decent powerplant fitted to match the looks... weight should be kept to a minimum to get a good power to weight ratio and have the tires screaming!

Cheers, Theo


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #229, 10-01-2008 11:36 AM
      despreat for an update need imput trying to maintain my sanity

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #230, 10-05-2008 03:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Theo_nr1:

Cheers, Theo


Very good info. Thank you for posting it.

Please feel free to jump in anytime you have anything to add.

I'll try to find some better pics of the "A" pilar section.

We did some testing of the chassis before we sent it out for powdercoating & it was stronger than I expected.

Anyway, thanks for the input.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #231, 10-05-2008 05:01 PM
      It's been a while since the last update.

Most everything we've been working on has to do with getting the body back into the correct shape.

As you saw with the rear clip, It has warped quite a bit.

In the rear we've built most of the trunk area liner. We also determined that the rear facia was warped. So we rigged it up to get it straight & fiberglassed more steel to keep it there...







Here you can see the vertical angle of the rear facia.



On the real car the tail lights appear to point down a little however not as much as they will with the rear facia at this angle. So we're going to have to mount the lights into slight pockets to level them out a little so they don't point down too much.



In the mean time with the rear clip off of the car, we've fiberglassed in the steel that controls the shape of the sideburns on the rear clip.





..........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #232, 10-05-2008 05:15 PM
      One of the big problems we had to deal with in the last couple of weeks was that the front clip has warped quite a bit. The nose had curled up under the car. The wheel openings had closed up, like the nose was trying to curl up under the front of the car.

To fix this we had to strap the front clip down to our lift & strap it down into shape.





The we had to hand form steel to fit into the front clip.....











Then we glassed the steel into the body.....





.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #233, 10-05-2008 06:09 PM
      Here we put the revised front clip on the car again....









A little more tweaking.....





Looking a little better now....





.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #234, 10-05-2008 06:21 PM
      Finally.......

We also hinged the decklid.

I had a set of hinges from an XKE coupe & we decided we could make them work on the decklid.

We had to cut a little pocket in the box tubing to be able to mount the hinge up high enough.







Well that's it for now.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #235, 10-05-2008 09:55 PM
      Wow! That's a lot of work and definitely not a home-brew kit to assemble.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #236, 10-08-2008 11:42 AM
      A little more update.

Once we had the front clip nose & fender areas in the position we wanted, the area in the center area near the windshield was bowed a bit. That's the cowl area where the weight is sitting on the hood area in this picture....



So we needed to get that area into the right position & keep it there.

While the front clip was on the car, we used some lumber to build a jig from the tops of the fenders & over the Cowl. We attached this jig to the front clip to hold the cowl in place while we removed the clip & put it in a workbench.

I didn't get a chance to take a picture of the jig before Rob had put the front clip on the workbench, so I'll post a pic of it here before we remove it from the front clip.

Then Rob hand formed metal ribs to hold the cowl where we wanted it.









Then we put several layers of fiberglass over it to keep it in place....







In the meantime, while the fiberglassing is curing, we're working on cutting in & mountings for the tail lights.







This process continues today.

Note: you may notice that the tail lights we are installing are not the same tail lights I had pictured earlier. The owner of the car (who is watching this thread) Had originally sent me 2 different sets of tail lights & PM'ed me that I should be installing the 2nd set of lights that he had sent me.

That was close.

Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #237, 10-08-2008 11:46 AM
      A lot of work but looking great!


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #238, 10-08-2008 11:58 AM
     
Hey those look familiar
My Fiat tailights are missing


Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #239, 10-08-2008 05:25 PM
      Looking good... lots of work yes. I just wished I did have a real long holiday to start myself when I see this. Polyester disforming from just laying around hmm I know that yes.. not good.

Pitty from the tail lights.. they are pretty close to originals.
Maybe still worth while to search originals.. I bought a complete set for less then $ 200,- and there are more around with a bot of luck and patience. Search for "Fiat 850 spider" ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...trksid=p4506.c0.m245

maybe here !! posting to Netherlands is sometimes a problem but in US I have seen a few passing on ebay :-(
just don't mention / seek for Lamborghini !

Still hoping to find some original cheapisch front head lights.. hm very rare.. Fiat 850 Spider series 1

Still interested in a detailed A-pilar picture !
Can I set in my profile somehow to get automatic message when something is posted here?? ... still new here at the forum.

Keep up the good work !
Cheers, Theo


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #240, 10-18-2008 02:35 PM
      more PLEASE

Monkeyman MSG #241, 10-18-2008 06:28 PM
      Archie---Just out of curiousity, what kind of price tag will this end up with (not counting the original Fiero chassis, motor/tranny upgrade and the Miura body kit)? Looks like an absolute ton of work. Is this going to be a $10k job or a $50k job? I'm guessing the motor/tranny will run between $10k and $15k, installed and anyone can find a space frame for free.

ETID: I WON PAIG SVEN!!!!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #242, 10-19-2008 11:37 AM
      We've done quite a few things on this car since the last update.

Let me see if I can bring this up to date.

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:
While the front clip was on the car, we used some lumber to build a jig from the tops of the fenders & over the Cowl. We attached this jig to the front clip to hold the cowl in place while we removed the clip & put it in a workbench.

I didn't get a chance to take a picture of the jig before Rob had put the front clip on the workbench, so I'll post a pic of it here before we remove it from the front clip.
Archie


Here are some pictures of the jig we used while doing the center area of the front clip.....





Notice how the jig was built to get the center of the front clip to mathc up with the cowl area.

Once we put the clip back onto the car & before removing the jig, we looked at what it was it was going to take the get the sideburns to stay in place. We decided to to build onto the jig to have it hold the sideburns into place so we could reinforce them also.





We used the sideburn jig to hold the sideburns where we wanted them while we handformed steel & glassed it into the inside of the clip. The steel is also welded to all the previous steel work on the inside of the front clip.





After this is all glassed into place, the front clip is put back onto the car & the jig removed.

Here you can see how the whole front clip has a complete steel framework skeleton to support it & hopefully keep the fiberglass body from moving around anymore than it already has.





With the clip closed you can see that the fender arches, the center flat area & the sideburns match up pretty well with the rest of the body.







Archie


MetroMatt (matthew.ryan.hanson@gmail.com) MSG #243, 10-19-2008 12:15 PM
      Niiice update archie, but you evaded the previous question!

Matthew Hanson
101st


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #244, 10-19-2008 01:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MetroMatt:

Niiice update archie, but you evaded the previous question!

Matthew Hanson
101st


What previous question?


DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #245, 10-19-2008 04:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MetroMatt:

Niiice update archie, but you evaded the previous question!

Matthew Hanson
101st

I'm pretty sure that there is no set price on what this one off will end up costing. To many unknown factors to give a firm quote.
I think it's one of those builds where if you have to ask how much..............you can't afford it.

This is just my opinion, I have been wrong.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #246, 10-19-2008 05:56 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We've done quite a few things on this car since the last update.

Let me see if I can bring this up to date.


Here are some pictures of the jig we used while doing the center area of the front clip.....





Notice how the jig was built to get the center of the front clip to mathc up with the cowl area.

Once we put the clip back onto the car & before removing the jig, we looked at what it was it was going to take the get the sideburns to stay in place. We decided to to build onto the jig to have it hold the sideburns into place so we could reinforce them also.





We used the sideburn jig to hold the sideburns where we wanted them while we handformed steel & glassed it into the inside of the clip. The steel is also welded to all the previous steel work on the inside of the front clip.





After this is all glassed into place, the front clip is put back onto the car & the jig removed.

Here you can see how the whole front clip has a complete steel framework skeleton to support it & hopefully keep the fiberglass body from moving around anymore than it already has.





With the clip closed you can see that the fender arches, the center flat area & the sideburns match up pretty well with the rest of the body.







Archie


Archie that is one damn nice job on the reenfocemnets on the front clip I wish more people took the time to do it right seen to many kobled up kits lately

Love the build

Hats off to you Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #247, 10-19-2008 06:07 PM
      Looking good. One of those kits that comes pre-colored red.

Monkeyman MSG #248, 10-19-2008 07:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DL10:

I'm pretty sure that there is no set price on what this one off will end up costing. To many unknown factors to give a firm quote.
I think it's one of those builds where if you have to ask how much..............you can't afford it.

This is just my opinion, I have been wrong.


As I said, it was just out of curiousity. I understand that this is probably a "by the hour" type job as opposed to a chop top or V8 swap where there's actually a fairly set rate. I just thought it might be interesting to see how much money gets tied up in something like this. I know someone who put a rebody kit on a VW Beetle years ago (I know it's not the same thing) and I know how much money he had invested in the labor/parts (not counting the larger motor and the price of the kit itself. I think it's kind of neat to sort of compare that kind of stuff. If the price is a touchy subject, I understand. And, no. I couldn't afford it. I can't even afford one of Archies chops or V8s (although those are on my wish list if I ever had the money).


Fiero2m8 MSG #249, 10-21-2008 06:10 PM
      Very nice build Archie!

BTW - Ultimate Cars TV show is airing an episode called "Supercars" (2004) featuring the Lamborghini Miura as #2 in their countdown of the top 5 all time supercars...
It's on the Discovery channel in Canada tonight.

Ryan



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #250, 10-30-2008 10:32 PM
      Since my last report, we've dedicated a lot of labor to address issues & in fitting the center body section of this car & working on getting the doors to fit right.

We've had the center body section on & off the chassis about 5 times while fiberglassing inside & out.

We've modified the rocker panels to bring the front end up & under a bit to make it more accurate.

We've built up the lip that the windshiel will sit on the make it wider & thicker.

We've glued the inner & outer halves of the doors together & finalized the hinges.

We've modified the outside & front side of the "B" pillars so that they match up with the door better.

Some of these pictures should help.



Here we've just put it on the lift to begin work on the center body section. Note, if you can, how the rocker panel is wider (taller) towards the front than at the back.



Here you can see the beginning of the "B" pillar work....





Fitting the windshield, note the narrow edge around the windshield, we're going to make it wider.



Also working on the door jambs....



Here we've done the cuts on the rocker panel & have put the 1st layer of finberglass on the area where we cut it.....







.........



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #251, 10-30-2008 10:43 PM
      Gluing the doors together.....





We took the rear clip off & set it up so we can do the fiberglassing on the inside too.....



Here Kris has put metal around the windshield area, then we can fiberglass over the metal to make the windshield lip wider & stronger.



Finerglassing the inside....





After we remove the metal & before trimming this is the new area around the lip of the windshield.





Another layer of glass at the back edge of the door & you can see it's starting to look good.





Starting to look good.



Thanks

Archie


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #252, 10-31-2008 12:01 AM
      wow..I am fiberglasted!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #253, 10-31-2008 11:38 AM
     


ProjectPb (jeff@projectpb.com) MSG #254, 10-31-2008 03:28 PM
      keep up the good work. I will be watching this post till its finish. I also don't know if this was asked but what kind of bill will a build like this have along with it. i am sure i don't want to know tho.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #255, 10-31-2008 03:48 PM
      dam nice job Archie you absolutly amaze me some times with your attention to detail on fitting glass together corectly keep up the great work this is one for the books
keep us posted this is realy becomming my fav post


gt88norm MSG #256, 10-31-2008 06:03 PM
      Archie reads before posting, if that question about $??,???.00 were to be answered, it already would be. If his cost to service
were out of line this thread wouldn't exist.
@Archie:
There used to be an company in Wheat Ridge CO that did a pseudo replicar of a late '55 Mondial. They were called Kendrick
(the owner last name) Industries, their project was named the Mondrea. It was, IMHO, a voluptious, "Drop Dead Gorgeous" roadster designed to fit a VW chassis. If you need to add anything to your stable of product, please look it up. This was marketed
when 'Kit Car Magazine' was still printed on news print. The car was produced between '83 & '85. There was also a tube Chassis
version for front engine FoMoCo running gear.
When I called them some 8-10 years ago the bucks were for sale but w/my kids entering college, and my having NO experience
in glasswork, I passed on the opportunity, They may still be around.
If any members are mag. collectors perhaps some photos could surface?

http://books.google.com/boo...rick+Mondrea+Mondial

http://tinyurl.com/Kendrick-Mondrea

Norm

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Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #257, 11-01-2008 05:27 PM
      Hi Archie,

Very good job !! no half work.
With what did you glue the door halfs together? Epoxy or what? It doesn't look like normal resin and glassfiber.. on my Murena the front bumper and rear are 3 glasfiber parts also gluded together but no idea with what kind of stuff this is done best. I would have thought that it was best done with glasfiber and resin.

Cheers, Theo


Fierology MSG #258, 11-23-2008 01:24 PM
      I'm still waching
beautiful project
I'm looking forward to seeing the finished project.



Bridgetown MSG #259, 11-23-2008 03:46 PM
      This kit looks wicked! This has got to be one of the best looking rebodies for a fiero I've ever seen. Mabey top three, along side the Pantera and the Reventon. Archie, is the drivetrain going to be longitudinal or transverse? I think it should be length wise to be closer to the original. Just my .02 Cents. Nice work!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #260, 11-23-2008 04:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:

This kit looks wicked! This has got to be one of the best looking rebodies for a fiero I've ever seen. Mabey top three, along side the Pantera and the Reventon. Archie, is the drivetrain going to be longitudinal or transverse? I think it should be length wise to be closer to the original. Just my .02 Cents. Nice work!



This one will be a transverse LS3 with a 6 speed. Actually the original car is also a Transverse driveline.

Archie


Fierology MSG #261, 11-23-2008 08:07 PM
      The original was a transverse v12. The engine block and tranny were cast as a single piece.

Here's a wealth of Muira info:

http://web-cars.com/miura/engine.php

Archie, will you be putting an SV emblem on it?


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #262, 11-23-2008 10:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierology:

The original was a transverse v12. The engine block and tranny were cast as a single piece.

Here's a wealth of Muira info:

http://web-cars.com/miura/engine.php

Archie, will you be putting an SV emblem on it?


They fixed a lot of these issues with the SV.
The transverse layout was inspired by the Austin Mini.
http://video.google.com/vid...bCQ&q=top+gear+miura


Kelvin Vivian (no_18@yahoo.com) MSG #263, 11-25-2008 04:43 PM
      Nice workmanship on the chassis and body... *bump*



Fierology MSG #264, 11-25-2008 09:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:


They fixed a lot of these issues with the SV.


What issues?


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #265, 12-10-2008 07:46 PM
      Archie whats up 11 pages back had a hard time finding the build and no updates please we need to see more

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #266, 12-26-2008 04:31 PM
      http://www.autoblog.com/200...or-cali-restoration/



The gorgeous Lamborgnini Miura chassis.
That transverse V-12 just looks stunning.



Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #267, 12-26-2008 05:40 PM
      That is really packed in there.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #268, 12-27-2008 09:29 PM
      A long overdue update.

We've been working on a lot of different things.

Let's see if I can show you the highlights of everything we've been working on.

We did some basic fitting of the seats into the car..... I'll have more detailed pics later.



We also are working on fitting the rear bumper/grill into the car...









Whenever we're working on one of these projects, we usually are working on 2 or 3 different parts of the car at the same time.

Same thing goes for this car......

We started working on installing the nose grill.......

That's when we noticed that the grill opening in the nose was for a standard Miura......



See the pointed ends on either end of the grill opening?



Then notice how the grill frame insert is rounded on the ends, like the SV opening is....



The ogiginal parking lights we had we not going to work with that grill insert so the owner of the car quickly found some RAV-4 lights on EBay that are going to work out good.







So to make all that fit, it's going to take some cutting & fiberglassing...........



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #269, 12-27-2008 09:43 PM
      Here Kris has done some cutting & fitting of the grill instert into the grill opening....





Now that we know it's going to work, it's time to make the opening around the grill insert look like it was an exact fit.









In the meantime we've also been working on the door latches....









Every once in a while you gotta step back & see where you are. Here the front clip is off for glassing the nose area, the doors are open while we work on the latches & the rear clip is open as we start working on the rear clip latches.



The grill opening looks a lot better when the front clip is right side up & back on the car....







And finally, few in-process pics of the rear clip latches.....





Archie


PaulJK MSG #270, 12-28-2008 02:47 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bridgetown:

... rebodies for a fiero ... along side the Pantera and the Reventon.



Reventon rebody for a fiero ?! - sure would like to see a link to that source or website ....


DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #271, 12-28-2008 12:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by PaulJK:


Reventon rebody for a fiero ?! - sure would like to see a link to that source or website ....

http://hk.youtube.com/watch...KqzM&feature=related

http://hk.youtube.com/watch...GSOE&feature=related


PaulJK MSG #272, 12-28-2008 09:17 PM
      WooooooW ! Thanks. Incredible replica but their website has been suspended

jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #273, 12-29-2008 09:52 PM
      Here is what you are looking for......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Fierology MSG #274, 12-30-2008 10:24 PM
      Looking awesome Archie.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #275, 01-10-2009 11:47 PM
      So that's where they store the spare tire; http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


MoneyNoMo (paul7113@lycos.com) MSG #276, 02-12-2009 05:35 AM
      There are some more VERY nice pics of a 1967 miura at this dealer's site: http://www.fantasyjunction....ra%20P400-3.9L%20V12

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #277, 02-22-2009 05:54 PM
      We haven't had an update on this build lately but we have been working on the car.

I just haven't had time to make the posts to keep up.

If you've looked at any pictures of a Mirua, you've noticed that, when off, the headlights lay back into the fronmt clip kind of like a 928. When they are opened they are hinged todards the front & just pivot up.

If you look at detailed pics of the headlights, you'll find that all of this was done with 1960's technology.

Here's a few pics of what we did with them.







I call the back end of the light a stove pipe.



After getting the light hinge figured out on the right side of the car we worked on making the light so it would go up & down on command. In other words we worked on the light mechanism. We will be putting adjustable arms on these.









Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #278, 02-26-2009 11:24 AM
      Now we're getting on to the interior.

A little history......

Here is what the parts looked like back when we got them from the U.K.

This is exactly how they looked, we hadn't laid a hand on them at this time.

It looks like someone had been trying to prep them to make molds off of them but hadn't completed that process yet.

This is what we're going to build our dash from. We will reburb all of them along the way.



























As this progresses, you'll be able to see what we did to reburb them.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #279, 02-26-2009 12:42 PM
      First up we had to put the heaterbox back in, to make sure we left enough room for it when building the interior.



Then we installed Dynamat over all the nicely Powdercoated interior surfaces.





A long time ago, before the chassis was Powdercoated, we had mounted the major dash parts into the chassis so that we could establish the mounting points to the chassis. That way we wouldn't have to drill too many holes or do too much welding to the chassis after it was coated. So now we're going for a finished configuration then we can blow it apart to send it out for upholstery.



Notice the part we are starting with for the center console. It's the console pc. from my interior kit. Watch this part closely & you'll see it get greatly modified.



Notice how the 2 gage pod openings in front of the driver are off center to the steering wheel. Obviously the kit this dash was originally made for had the steering column a little farther outboard.





We have a center console/glovebox/cupholder thingie from a Jetta (I think) & the plan is to build it into the center console.



Here you see the VW console fitted down inside our console & you see that we've made a rear console cover to fit over the ECM area.



We didn't want to make that part from scratch because it would have wasted a lot of time. We also would have had to worry about making it symetrical. So we looked around all the stuff we have laying around & found that this wash tub (being used as a parts bin) was just the ticket. So we used it as a mold & made a part off of it. I love walking around hardware stores (or even plastic container stores) to find things that could be helpful when making other things.



Here is that center console I told you to watch getting another modification made to it.



Here you can see that we are progressing on the center console. At this point I think it has had about 6 mods done to it with more yet to go.







We even made a little coin tray type pocket so that when the cupholders pop out & open up there's room for the bottom part of the holder.



Archie



RichLo (rich.lovelien@uwrf.edu) MSG #280, 02-26-2009 02:38 PM
      are those going to be guages in the center dash ontop of where the heater and radio goes or what are those round slots for?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #281, 02-26-2009 09:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RichLo:

are those going to be guages in the center dash ontop of where the heater and radio goes or what are those round slots for?



Wow, that is a perfectly timed question, you must have known what we were doing today.







Archie



Tony Kania MSG #282, 02-26-2009 10:19 PM
      I think that I may have had an accident in my pants! Please keep posting pics.

(Probably does not sound right, but that is one sexy car!)

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #283, 03-01-2009 08:37 PM
     
 
quote





I thought I'd show you what we had to do to mount the gages in the 2 center pods.

The center gage pod lips were larger in Diameter than the big gages we were putting in.



So we had to make them smaller by making a new face inside the pods. The bottom on a 1 gal. mixing cup fit perfect inside the pod & made a perfect buck for making it. Plus the little nub you find in the center of any round bottom plastic cup made the perfect center for the hole saw we would need to cut it out.



That gave up this





The hole saw gave us this



And this



Also, remember the console part we told you to keep an eye on? This is it now....





Archie



kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #284, 03-01-2009 11:22 PM
      Archie,
I am following your thread very closely. One question, did you lay out the amp, volt, oil gas gauge, etc., in the same placement as Lamborghini did in their original Muira? A small thing I agree. But in observing your dedication to perfection, I thought I would inquire. Oh, I forgot to ask, are you are going to add a radio? As you know, the Muira never came from the factory with a radio.

Kevin

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #285, 03-02-2009 12:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Archie,
I am following your thread very closely. One question, did you lay out the amp, volt, oil gas gauge, etc., in the same placement as Lamborghini did in their original Muira? A small thing I agree. But in observing your dedication to perfection, I thought I would inquire. Oh, I forgot to ask, are you are going to add a radio? As you know, the Muira never came from the factory with a radio.

Kevin



Yes & Yes......

The 6 gages are in the correct positions & we are putting in a modern radio.

I have seen some pics of the interiors that show a radio mounted vertically in front of the shifter but we can't do that because of the Fieros' location of the gas tank.

We actually have the radio mounting almost done, we'll be finishing it up tomorrow morning.

Archie


RichLo (rich.lovelien@uwrf.edu) MSG #286, 03-02-2009 10:07 PM
      Looking great!

edit: never mind my orig post, I just re-read your last responce.

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dcfox (dcfox@windstream.net) MSG #287, 03-02-2009 10:46 PM
      You know...I've always thought...that even with extensive mods...a Fiero should still basically...visually... be "a Fiero".

I stand corrected. WOW!!!!!!!!

The Miura is one of the most sexy things on 4 wheels even today.

Although my ultimate Lamborghini dream is still technically out of my price range...at least it's a little closer to a possible reality.



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #288, 03-04-2009 07:16 PM
      This car is awesome Archie. The seats he got look just right. Your dash is turning out perfect. Will it be wrapped in leather ?

What colors will it be ? Are those the wheels it will use? Steering Wheel picked out?



InTheLead MSG #289, 03-04-2009 07:25 PM
      Your shop has come a long way with the fiberglassing I'm impressed with the work.. it's very rare to find such custom one off services esepcially in this economy.

I'll have to drop by when spring hits and check out a choptop finally and decide if I can fit or not hehe.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #290, 03-06-2009 10:38 PM
      A little update.....

I had the car outside today in the nice weather, so I took a bunch of pics.

We mounted up the new steering wheel to see what it would look like. Finished glasswork on where the center console meets up with the lower part of the center gage panel.

Things are moving along pretty well with the dash & console.

We don't do upholstery here so we're building up the whole dash & center console so it can be blown apart & sent to a shop in TX. they will upholster it all & return it to us for final assembly.

This requires some planning, we have to assemble the interior in such a way that all the fasteners are located in places so they can be accessed to reassemble it after upholstery.

We still have to build ductwork for the defroster vents & we have to locate & duct the Heat A/C vents.

Some pics.....

























Archie


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #291, 03-07-2009 12:19 AM
      http://picasaweb.google.com...#5105265307028627122

I did not know they made a targa Miura unless this is a custom. I notice no seals.. Anyway LOVE the interpretation of the real Miura interior

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Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #292, 03-07-2009 04:28 AM
      What's the make and model of that steering wheel? It looks very close to an original Miura steering wheel of that era.

Are you going to modify the HVAC controls to look more authentic Miura? Or are you going to do a more modern approach with Fiero/Ferrari F355 replica HVAC controls?
Would a larger stereo than single DIN fit? (i.e. Double DIN - in case the owner ever wants a Navi in the car. Would a flip up screen fit?)


Eau_Rouge MSG #293, 03-08-2009 10:44 PM
      Nice build, love the console. I've always wanted cupholders in my car and this seems like a good way to get them and make them look OEM. If anyone is wondering, this console is from a 2006-2007 Volkswage Passat. It is the rear seat armrest/cupholder.







MIURA-S MSG #294, 03-12-2009 06:33 AM
      Got any pics of the headlights and how you mounted them ?

jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #295, 03-12-2009 08:53 AM
      Regarding the headlight mountings , there are a few pics which show how it was done on page 7 , dated 2-22-09.

Formula88 MSG #296, 03-13-2009 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here's a picture of the real Miura chassis.




Here's an intake suggestion that should fit with the Miura look.
http://kinsler.com/NewProdu...G/LS_SB_Vert_Web.jpg

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #297, 03-17-2009 10:12 AM
      We are currently working on the ductwork behind the dash for the defroster vents.

While it appears that the fabrication of the dash is about finished, it still has to be functional. that means a lot of work that people wouldn't even think of still has to be done.

When we're done with this, we still have to fabricate, mount up & connect the heater venting system.

This dash has 3 defroster vents as shown here....



We'll be using 1.5" heater ducting hose like we did when we built my GT40.

Behind each one of the vents we have to fabricate a little airbox to attach the air duct tubes to & to direct the defroster air out thru the vents shown above. Each of these airboxes & the tubes running to them has to be built in such a way as t not interfere with anything else we have to have behind the dash.

For the center vent, Rob built a box under the vent.....



And a "lid" for the box that has a 1.5" Dia tube attached to it....



Then he fiberglassed the "lid" onto the vent



For the corner vents, he made & fiberglassed an airbox & tube directly onto the back of the vent....







More on this later...

Archie




whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #298, 03-17-2009 01:21 PM
      All the little things that you dont think about are what take all the time.
I am working on the same thing on my dash.
Great job as always!


telefragg3d (ken.hoff@me.com) MSG #299, 03-19-2009 01:15 PM
      om nom nom nom nom...i can haz miura?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #300, 03-27-2009 10:44 PM
      We were needing to make a cover for the lower part of the driver's side dash & for the right side of the passengers' side dash. We also needed to Fabricate in the Ball Vents for both sides.....

This simple part will turn into a pretty complicated cover. This was made from a pc. of flat sheet metal bent to an angle in our brake. Then we just laid a few layers of fiberglass over the metal.



We then made a pocket for the ball vent.





We needed to cover the exposed underside of the steering column, so we flaired that....





Preparing to fiberglass flats onto the ende of the part.







The end on the inside end is a lip about 1.5" wide to allow this part to be mounted to the left side of the gage cluster console.



The outboard end covers the whole end so you can't see behind the dash when the door is open.



While doing all this, Rob is also making a pc. to do the same job on the right side of the dash.



.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #301, 03-27-2009 10:56 PM
      Here, Rob is building the plumbing manifold that will both to the top of the heater box & will route the tubes to the 3 defroster vents (on the left) & the 2 ball vents (on the right).



With the parts back in the car, it's starting to take shape....











Here we see the feed tubes glassed into the back of the air boxes behind the ball vents....



Here you can see the plumbing manifold bolted onto the top of the heater box in the car. Hard to believe but there is enough room behind this dash to route all 5 feed tubes from this manifold to the defroster & ball vents. (We're looking thru the center gage panel area in these pics)





More next week.

Archie


Fastback 86 MSG #302, 03-27-2009 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Erik:

http://picasaweb.google.com...#5105265307028627122

I did not know they made a targa Miura unless this is a custom. I notice no seals.. Anyway LOVE the interpretation of the real Miura interior



There was only one and it was a one-off custom. Mr Lamborghini did not want his purebred sports car watered down for rich playboys trying to tan while they were driving.


RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #303, 03-29-2009 12:09 AM
      Amazing work my friend!

Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #304, 03-29-2009 03:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:


There was only one and it was a one-off custom. Mr Lamborghini did not want his purebred sports car watered down for rich playboys trying to tan while they were driving.


I'm sure if Dean Martin had wanted his son to be darker, it could have been accomplished via Ferruccio's instruction. Enzo would have been pissed


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #305, 03-29-2009 03:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RUNDLC:

Amazing work my friend!


Viva Italia !


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #306, 04-30-2009 03:46 PM
      Since the last report, we've been working on several different areas of this car.

We were made aware that on this model of the Miura some cars had a glovebox door.

It was hard to find any real good pics of the door, so we had to come up with our own.

We used plastic tape to tape over the whole glovebox section & then we used that to make a door right off of the glovebox section. One thing for sure, that ensured that the door was going to be an exact fit.









We also built the overhead console. This time we didn't have anything around here that we could use as a starting point for fabricating it. So this one was built from scratch one pc. at a time.











.......


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #307, 04-30-2009 03:55 PM
     


I absolutely love watching you guys fabricate stuff.

Very cool.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #308, 04-30-2009 04:34 PM
      We also are working on the front & rear bumper sections.

Neither one of the fiberglass bumper inserts actually fit into the openings in the body very well.

Also niether one of them was straight or even symetrical. So a lot of reglassing, grinding & shaping had to be done.

The rear bumper insert had to be reworked as noted above.... We also had to come up with a way to bolt it up into the car with hidden fasteners. that way it can be removed for painting etc. & reinstalled.









Also, the nose insert & grill opening had to be completely reworked to fit nicely together.















......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #309, 04-30-2009 04:58 PM
      To mount the parking lights we have, we had to mount them at a bit of an angle.

To do that we had to add some fiberglass to the back side of the bumper to form pockets for the lights.

We use some thin alum. sheet metal formed to the shape we needed. then we hot glued the metal into position then glassed over the metal.







As you can see, that method makes a nice little pocket to mount the light up into.







Then a little trimming off of the back side of the new opening & start fitting the light into the opening. You go to be careful to mount both light in exactly the same angle & location....







I'll show you the mounting brackets we made for the lights & bumper next time.

Archie



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #310, 05-01-2009 11:54 AM
      Looks great Archie

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #311, 05-01-2009 01:48 PM
      The attention to detail is amazing.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #312, 05-01-2009 02:14 PM
      Thanks guys.

All the credit has to go to Rob & Kris, they are the guys that make it happen.

Here are some pics of the parking light brackets we made & glassed onto the back side f the bumper.









Installed they don't look bad at all....



We're working on some of the bodywork around the headlights now.





Archie


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #313, 05-01-2009 06:09 PM
      For anyone who hasn't seen it yet. A free Miura.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...Miura400_shell.shtml





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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #314, 05-01-2009 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 30+mpg:

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet. A free Miura.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...Miura400_shell.shtml



We saw the video on his site a long time ago but I didn't know all the still pics were there.

Neat story in the video about the car.

Thanks

Archie


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #315, 05-02-2009 01:37 AM
      Looks great!!

Wouldn't VDO gauges have fit without the extra labor? I think OEM Lambo gauges were VDO. Although I'm sure with overlays and new needles you could get the same look.

Keep the pics coming!!


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #316, 05-02-2009 08:35 AM
      Here Leno's Muira S.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.c.../L_Miura_shell.shtml

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #317, 05-02-2009 09:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:

Looks great!!

Wouldn't VDO gauges have fit without the extra labor? I think OEM Lambo gauges were VDO. Although I'm sure with overlays and new needles you could get the same look.

Keep the pics coming!!


They would have fit if we were using an OEM dash. If you go back to page 7 you can see the fiberglass pcs. that we were supplied. There were no provisions for mounting any standard size gages, we had to fab all that stuff up on our own.

Other than some emblems we are not using any OEM parts. The people that have OEM parts, hold those parts very dearly & they are very expensive. There is a Miura defroster switch on Ebya right now for $70.00 plus shipping http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 a set of tail light lenses are $ 630.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

You can bet that a OEM dash would be very expensive.

Search for Miura on EBay & you'll get the idea.

Archie


jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #318, 05-02-2009 09:42 AM
      The original Miura speedometer , tachometer and center console guages were all British made by the Jaeger company. A good source of information comes from a Miura restoration web site.
http://www.huskyclub.com/P400partslist.html


jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #319, 05-02-2009 10:02 AM
      Like Archie said , the original parts are very expensive as well as being very rare......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #320, 05-05-2009 11:22 PM
      We finished up mounting the driving lights & moved on to working on finishing up the areas around the headlights.

The body around the headlight area was very warped out of shape so it took several sesions with fiberglassing & filling & sanding to get them symetrical. We worked the space around the headlight to make it as small as we could & still allow the light assembly to move up & down. We also made a fiberglass cover for the top of the "Stovepipe" looking area on the top of the light behind the lens trim ring.











In previous pictures you can see open void area behind the light when it's in the closed position.



It has that open look on the real car but we couldn't resist finishing that area.





We also have finished up the rear bumper area to make the bumper trim pc. fit into a perfectly shaped opening.





I know this shot looks unfinished but we found pics of a real Miura that looks just like it.



Archie


30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #321, 05-09-2009 10:49 PM
      kinda of like this?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #322, 05-15-2009 12:38 PM
      Here are the headlight covers i mentioned earlier but frgot to post the picture.





Some more sanding & filling & the lights are looking good.





Also working in the trunk area setting up the decklid latch & working on the sheet metal. More pics on this later.







Working our way down the sides of the car we are now working on getting the wheel well openings to match up side to side & to match up with the rocker panels.







Archie


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #323, 05-18-2009 03:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here are the headlight covers i mentioned earlier but frgot to post the picture.





Some more sanding & filling & the lights are looking good.





Also working in the trunk area setting up the decklid latch & working on the sheet metal. More pics on this later.







Working our way down the sides of the car we are now working on getting the wheel well openings to match up side to side & to match up with the rocker panels.







Archie



it looked perfect along time ago yet you keep making it better ..thanks


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #324, 05-22-2009 12:04 PM
      Here's some better pics of the decklid work.







We've been working on the bodywork, front to back.....

Straightening out the hood....











.............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #325, 05-22-2009 12:45 PM
      Also working on fitting the windshield.

The windshield opening on the car didn't match the windshield very well so some fitting is needed.

Note that much eralier we built up the area that the windshield will glue to making it wider. Before final mounting of the windshield, we will be trimming the flange to make it just the right width for mounting the windshiled.













In some places we ended up sanding thru the original fiberglass to get the windshield to set in correctly.



The center section of the body will also need a lot of bodywork before we're done. Including fiberglassing in for the above gap. so we took it off to do some of that work. While we have it off we'll be welding in the mounts for the overhead console.





Archie


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #326, 05-26-2009 01:28 AM
      Wow! THIS is the engine that should go into the Miura project.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/100795.html

A true transverse V-12.

yes I know, I'm dreaming , but it's a nice thought, ain't it?

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jbuell (jbuell@jbuell.com) MSG #327, 06-10-2009 05:05 PM
      Transplanting a V12 transversly into the Fiero is an impressive feat of creativity and engineering and I applaud his ability to do so. Unfortunately , from what I have seen regarding the tight clearances that already exist for this Miura fiberglass body over the Fiero chassis , I doubt the body could accomodate an additional 2 inches of chassis width and keep the tires inside the wheel wells . In addition , as others have commented , the LS3 provides a higher power to weight ratio than the BMW V12 and certainly benefits from availability of affortable aftermarket performance parts . Neverthelesss , I agree that a transverse V12 in a Fiero should be awarded very high marks for style points and engineering talent. Hope to see more of this amazing project on his thread.

kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #328, 06-12-2009 08:13 PM
      Archie,
I agree with the ideas of the two posts above, concerning the possible V12 in your Muira. If not the BMW variety, perhaps the V12 out of a Jaguar? I do not know if this engine, or one of a different manufacturer, is of a smaller dimension. However, I was just wetting everybodies appetite on the idea we can all agree on. Can you at least consider it?

Cordially,
Kevin


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #329, 06-12-2009 11:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Archie,
I agree with the ideas of the two posts above, concerning the possible V12 in your Muira. If not the BMW variety, perhaps the V12 out of a Jaguar? I do not know if this engine, or one of a different manufacturer, is of a smaller dimension. However, I was just wetting everybodies appetite on the idea we can all agree on. Can you at least consider it?

Cordially,
Kevin


I admire people who go outside the box to do something that hasn't been done before, or at least hasn't been done very often. After all, I was there 20 some years ago when I started putting SBC's into the Fiero. Several years ago, I did the same thing with the 6 speed swaps & the LSx swaps.

There is a big difference between building any First Time Swap on your own car, when you get a working knowledge of every inch of the car & can prove out that swap AND Building the same First Time Swap for a customer who expects to take home a package proven thru the years.

I've measured the length & width of a V-12 Jag. engine & it won't even come close to fitting inside the frame rails.

While I enjoy reading about that BMW V-12 built, it's not a commercially viable alternative as yet. In fact as related to that type of installation into a customers' car it is 100% unproven. The development costs of making that V-12 a proven swap to put into a customers' car & work out all the issues that would come up would be much more than the engine that he has already chosen. Also, I don't know what a new BMW V-12 engine would cost but this customer doesn't want a used engine in his car.

I could go on but that should answer your qusetion.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #330, 06-22-2009 03:55 PM
      Bringing this up to date again.....

With the center body section off of the chassis, Kris set it up between 2 benches to do the bodywork to the rocker panels...









Then getting ready to glass the body back onto the chassis, we mount it onto the chassis for the last time...



And check the gaps to make sure it's positioned in the correct place.







.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #331, 06-22-2009 04:25 PM
      To keep from slopping fiberglass all over ourselves, we tilted the chassis up on the side to do the fiberglassing on the underside of the roof section. This way the glassing materials don't drip in your face while working.....







We have a glue we mix to bond parts together. Everyplace where the steel will be glassed to the body, we have this glue taking up any gaps.





The 1st side has 3 layers of glass on it.....



Tip it up to do the other side the same way....



This is what it looks like before trimming....







Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #332, 06-22-2009 04:55 PM
      The interior shop that's going to upholster all the interior parts is located in San Antonio, TX.

The 1st group of parts they will upholster are the complete dash & the full console.

We had to test fit all the interior parts again.

We had to make sure that there was a proper gap between the surfaces where the panels came together to allow for the thickness of the material they are going to use.

We also had toplan to make sure that the interior re-assembly could be done with all the panels upholstered.

So, gapping of the panels & planning how it would all go together was on us.













We didn't like how the center console mated up to the center section of the dash so we put a large radius where the walls met.



The interior shop doesn't have Internet at the shop, so I had to write up instructions & print off about 30 pictures to show them how the interior all went together.

........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #333, 06-22-2009 05:12 PM
      While we were at this, we held up sending the interior parts out for a couple of days so we could start making the inter panels that would adjoin the parts we were sending out.

Here we made a back panel by making a fiberglass upper half round off of a pc. of 3" exhaust pipe. then we glassed that to some flat fiberglass panels we had made.









We also made some fiberglass panels for the insides & tops of the rockers.





Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #334, 06-22-2009 05:37 PM
      Last but not least, we had to make some mounting brackets for the seats.

The seats had already been upholstered some time ago. But the mounting brackets that came with them were not going to work because they mounted the seats too high in the car.





We needed to move the rails up as close as we could to the bottom of the seat & reangle the seats to lean back a little more.

So we made new brackets for them.











Now that the 1st set of interior panels are out to get upholstered, we'll try to get most of the bodywork done before they return.

Archie



Gokart Mozart MSG #335, 06-22-2009 06:13 PM
      gonna make molds?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #336, 06-22-2009 08:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gokart Mozart:

gonna make molds?


Nope


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #337, 06-24-2009 09:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



........


Pardon me, but what are the two opening for?


Will-Martin MSG #338, 06-24-2009 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Pardon me, but what are the two opening for?


Looks like speakers, pretty cool.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #339, 06-24-2009 10:54 PM
      On the real car they have vents in those locations.

We put little speakers in that location to replicate the vents.

Archie


gt40racer MSG #340, 08-20-2009 06:37 PM
      any updates?

Sharkman MSG #341, 08-22-2009 04:05 PM
     
 
quote



That looks like the idé I had for my car with the backseat armrest table from a Saab 9-5
With 2 cupholders coming out the front




fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #342, 08-29-2009 12:57 AM
      update please

yellowstone MSG #343, 09-09-2009 12:03 PM
      I just read through the whole thread for the first time and I must say that I'm astonished. It's just a thing of beauty to see this project coming together. Congrats, Archie!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #344, 09-16-2009 12:47 PM
      updates we need updates PLEASE

Sofa King MSG #345, 09-16-2009 02:17 PM
      Hi A,

What vehicle did you get the armrest? Is is the same width as the Fiero armrest?


Speedster MSG #346, 10-06-2009 04:59 PM
      Hi,
I'm Benoit from France, I follow your post, congratulation for your great work. I think your Miura body kit is derived from a Prova Design Miura kit because it has the same trouble with the windshield installation, it’s strange because Prova Design has molded an original Lamborghini Miura P400 S to make its molds in the 80’s
You may install taillights from a Fiat 850 Spider, they are identical on the Lamborghini Miura P400 & P400 S. These taillights are remanufactured : http://mrfiat.com/

[This message has been edited by Speedster (edited 10-06-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #347, 10-13-2009 05:41 PM
      We've ben working on a lot of stuff since I posted last.

I'll try to bringit up to date.

In Phase I of getting the upholstery done, a few days after my last post we packed up several of the interior parts to send them out for covering.

As you've seen a lot of these parts were fabricated from scratch. So a photo record & careful handling was in order......



















.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #348, 10-13-2009 06:06 PM
      While waiting for the interior parts to return from the upholstery shop, it was back to the body work.

Here we are establishing the edges of the roof...







Here we are building up the flanges around the door openings so we have a flange that we can clip the weatherstripping onto....







The interior side panel of the doors didn't match up to the weather strip flange. For the weatherstrip seals to actually have a chance to work, the front of the insdie door panel had t be moved in 3/4 to 1".











Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #349, 10-14-2009 11:57 AM
      continuing......

Then we had to figure out how to get power roll up windows in the doors.

We had to figure out the geometry & hardware to make the windows in the doors roll up & down evenly, securely & reliably.

We needed the window to roll up along a line up the back inside edge of the door. The vertical height of the window opening is only about 2" lower than the vertical height of the body of the door. So we had to come up with window mounting & operating hardware that used as little vertical space as possible.

We decided to use Fiero power window hardware because we were going to have to heavily modify any "Kit" we might have bought & we had plenty of the Fiero parts so we could scrap a few sets of them without any big loss.

Here are a few pics of the mock-up. Locations & angles of the rails that the scissor arms ride in were very important to get the windows to ride up evenly & correctly. All this took time & experimentation. We moved them around quite a bit while we figured out how each changed affected the window movement.





Once we had figures out the details, we glassed in 2 mounting bars inside the door.





then we were able to bolt in the final mounting plates to the bars & make it all operational.















Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #350, 10-14-2009 12:31 PM
      Then back to more bodywork.....













Working on somefinish work on the trunk/decklid area & establishing a flange for the trunk seal to clip onto....















Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #351, 10-14-2009 01:05 PM
      Wow! What a build. I like the trunks space and trunk hinges.




Sofa King MSG #352, 10-14-2009 02:01 PM
      Me Too! I LOVE THIS BUILD!!!!

Hi Archie, what car did you get the glovebox from? Are the dimensions similar to the original Fiero?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #353, 10-15-2009 07:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Wow! What a build. I like the trunks space and trunk hinges.



The hinges are from the rear hatch on an old XKE Jag. Coupe.

 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Me Too! I LOVE THIS BUILD!!!!

Hi Archie, what car did you get the glovebox from? Are the dimensions similar to the original Fiero?


It's wider that the Fiero console is.

It's from the back seat of a new VW, I can't remember exactly which one.

The customer bought it & sent it to me.

It is identified in one of the earlier posts in this thread.

Archie


Boogaloo MSG #354, 10-15-2009 11:13 AM
      Archie you and your staff ,never cease to amaze by outdoing your last creation and you are up there with the best of builders,more props to you for the inspiration you have given us thru the years .

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #355, 10-15-2009 11:23 AM
      As you can see, I've got a lot to catch up on.

In this view the headrests will mount into the half-round tube just under the rear window opening. The sanding block in the rear window represents the rear window glass. So we'll need headrests that have the mounting posts as far back as we can get.....



The customer bought some new headrests on EBay & had them sent to me.



The color doesn't match perfectly, so we know they'll have to be re-upholstered. We will be reshaping them before we send them out for covering.



Getting an idea if they can be fitted....





They'll have to be cut down a bit, but they'll work. We'll do that later when we fab. & fit the rest of the interior parts



........

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 10-15-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #356, 10-15-2009 12:17 PM
      Back to the bodywork.

There's always bodywork to fill in between the fun parts of the build.

Here we're working on the rear spoiler to try to make it look correct all the way across.



















Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #357, 10-15-2009 02:05 PM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #358, 10-15-2009 05:27 PM
      Building inner wheel well liners for the rear clip.

These are built of flat Fiberglass sheet. Then the sheets are trimmed & fitted to the position we need them in. After that they are fiberglassed in place & a layer or 2 are glassed onto the fiberglass sheeting to make them stiffer.











Then it's time to do some bodywork on the rear clip.....

















Archie


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #359, 10-15-2009 06:05 PM
      Simply beautiful Archie and a Please keep it coming...

Cordially,
Kevin

[This message has been edited by kevin (edited 10-15-2009).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #360, 10-16-2009 11:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Simply beautiful Archie and a Please keep it coming...

Cordially,
Kevin



Thanks, Kris & Rob are the guys making this happen.

Archie


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #361, 10-16-2009 12:16 PM
      Archie

Can I make a suggestion.....

Buy your guys some luch because they are doing a great job

Keep it up !


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #362, 10-16-2009 12:36 PM
      Next, the 1st set of parts came back from the upholstery shop.



We started working on fitting them into the car. We had left certain gaps at the edges of the panels to allow for the material to be wrapped around the edges, so fitting them into the car was necessary to make sure they fit right. We also had certain other parts to make & needed these parts in the car so we could make more parts.

















Due to the thickness of the wrapped material the center console section wouldn't fit down in there all the way, so we had to modify & move the center dash part forward about 1/4"







Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #363, 10-16-2009 01:10 PM
      We had originally instructed the upholstery shop to wrap the material into the defroster vents but they didn't.

When we got the interior panels back from upholstery, the right upper dach panel had been damaged in shipment & was going to have to be re-upholstered anyway. So we decided to see what was going to have to happen to open up the defroster vents.

When cutting the material, we found that there was not enough material to wrap it around properly & that's why the upholstery shop didn't do it.

After looking for some detail pictures of the defroster vents on the Internet, we found that the original car had flanges around the defroster vents.

Here is how it looked when we cut out the material around the vent.



We went ahead & made custom flanges for each of the defroster vents.











Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #364, 10-16-2009 10:44 PM
      Wow! Incredible stitch work. You should've had Troyboy's interior stitched like that before it leaves the shop. Did you find the shop or did the customer? Locally?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #365, 10-17-2009 10:13 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Wow! Incredible stitch work. You should've had Troyboy's interior stitched like that before it leaves the shop. Did you find the shop or did the customer? Locally?


This is a place in the customers hometown that he has worked with before.

Archie


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #366, 10-17-2009 01:21 PM
      Archie,
that car is looking fantastic!
it is good to see it moving along.
D.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #367, 10-18-2009 10:56 AM
      Contunuing with Phase II of the interior panel panel making.

We needed to make interior headliner panels.

We decided to make a Left & a Right headliner panel & they'll be seperated by the overhead console.

If you've been following this thread, you'll remember that there is 1" x 2" retangular tubing making up the roof framework.



To maximize headroom, the headliner will have a recess between the tubes above the passengers.

Here Kris is making the Right side headliner out of sheets of flat fiberglass....









To save some time & to make both sides symetrical, Kris then used the completed Right side headliner to make a mold for the Left side headliner. This is the result....



With the Flocking equipment I bought a few years ago, we will be Flocking these parts to match the color of the material we've been using on the other panels.

Once the headliner panels were fabricated, we could start making the "A" pillar covers.

We found one of our Fiberglass molds that could give us a right angle pc. that was long enough to cover the "A" pillar. Then we sectioned it & fiberglassed the backside of it to get & hold the curve we needed. It was a lot more work & planning than you might think.











The top of the "A" pillar cover is ending at the headliner, that's why we needed to finish the headliners 1st.





The bottom end of the "A" pillar covers had to be designed to go up under the ends of the dash.





We really had to plan these covers early on because they had to be removable (there will be wires routed down the "A" pillars from the overhead console). Also they had to be able to be installed AFTER the dash, windshield & headliner. So the fastener type, locations & the direction of attachment had to be figured out ahead of time.

These are some old style interior clips but are still used on some restorations & rods.





Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #368, 10-18-2009 11:48 AM
      Shaping & fitting the headrests.













Because the ceiling is low we had to cutoff headrest posts to be shorter & the headrests have to be installed before the headliners.

We took a pc. of half round pipe & put holes in it. Then we welded tubes inside the pipe that the posts would fit tightly into. This was all welded to the bulkhead under the fiberglass cover.





This will give a secure & nicely finished look when all of the parts are covered. It will also be easy to assemble & service later if needed.





Then it was time to make the "B" pillar covers. Once again these were all made out of flat fiberglass panels. They were shaped to where they needed to be then a couple of layers of additional fiberglass were added to retain that shape.



The upper "B" pillar covers were made right on the car. Notice the brown tape protecting adjoining surfaces from the fiberglass laying in process.













Archie




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #369, 10-18-2009 12:12 PM
      Now it was time to fit the interior parts one last time before sending Phase II of the interior out for upholstery.











Hand Brake boot cover.



Seat Belts







Kick panels covers (I didn't mention making these but we did)... Also & Front Clip release lever attached.



Seating in place....



& Steering wheel...







Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #370, 10-18-2009 12:26 PM
      Finally, a week or so ago, we sent out Phase II of the interior panels out for upholstery.

All the edges & surfaces were given one final sanding & off they went.

Upper & Lower "B" Pillar Covers



"A" Pillar Covers



L. & R. Kick Panels Covers



Handbrake boot cover....



Headrests.....



Overhead Console....



And the Sun Visors



Archie



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #371, 10-18-2009 05:23 PM
      This has to be the most labor intense build Archies shop has ever done. Great job guys this car is going to be awsome!!!!!!!!!

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #372, 10-19-2009 01:23 AM
      Amazing.

Fie Ro (roderick.baas@tros.nl) MSG #373, 10-20-2009 02:22 PM
      Nice solutions and fabricating...keep it up

Jake_Dragon MSG #374, 10-20-2009 06:39 PM
      I like the dash very nice and inspirational.

kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #375, 10-24-2009 02:24 PM
      Archie,
Just in case another Fiero member wants the same Muira, do you have the templates to do it again? Wonderful work. You 'da man!

Cordially,
Kevin


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #376, 10-24-2009 09:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Archie,
Just in case another Fiero member wants the same Muira, do you have the templates to do it again? Wonderful work. You 'da man!

Cordially,
Kevin


Nope, this is a one of.

Making molds & templates of everything would be a lot more expensive.

Any kit made from all that tooling would be more expensive than 99.5% of the Fiero owners would spend.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 10-24-2009).]

CaddyRob (coldskies@cogeco.ca) MSG #377, 10-25-2009 10:46 AM
      Wow, I was going to say that with the labour alone you would be able to buy a real version! Til I looked it up... This car will be better then the origional! and less then half the price.. Amazing work Archie and Team!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #378, 11-04-2009 08:30 PM
      Once the interior parts had been sent out for upholstery, we went back to body stuff.

We still hadn't made inner wheel liners for the front so that was next.

Kris made a big sheet of flat fiberglass sheet a couple of layers thick. This pic was taken after we had cut some parts out of it.



This was curved & shaped to form a wheel well where we wanted it.



While it's still flexable we're using tape hot glue & paint sticks to hold it where we want it. Opening & closing it to make sure it clears the metalwork it will be protecting.



Once we get it to where we wanted it, we removed the clip & sat it on the workbench (business side up). Putting in some small pcs. of fiberglass to blend the wheel well into the underside of the wheel lip.









We also added a little inside wall to the wheel well.



Then we can fiberglass it permanently in place building up the thickness a bit & making it a structural part of the front clip.









.....


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #379, 11-04-2009 09:04 PM
      While waiting for fiberglass to cure, Kris was also working on some of the bodywork up under the grill area







The wheel wells are taking shape.







Fitting the front clip again, rounding off the corners & edges of the wheel well liners.





Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #380, 11-04-2009 10:05 PM
      Next Kris started finishing the cowl area. Here's an old picture that shows what the cowl area used to look like.



Kris used some more of that flat fiberglass to make a fiberglass tray.



We also made some covers for the sides of the cowl in the area ahead of the door hinges.





Sanding, filling & more of the same....



Then some primer....



The cowl cover & wheel well liners make that area look pretty good.







Archie


InTheLead MSG #381, 11-05-2009 03:25 PM
      Good work pics it's interesting to see the process.

I feel bad for the guys lungs in some of these pics inhaling fiber glass dust isn't very healthy.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #382, 11-05-2009 03:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by InTheLead:

Good work pics it's interesting to see the process.

I feel bad for the guys lungs in some of these pics inhaling fiber glass dust isn't very healthy.


Not to worry, 99% of the time the sanding or grinding pics are recreations (without the mask & goggles) because the flash on the camera will light up & show the dust in the air if I take pics when it's actually being done.

Archie


Fastback 86 MSG #383, 11-07-2009 02:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Wow! Incredible stitch work. You should've had Troyboy's interior stitched like that before it leaves the shop. Did you find the shop or did the customer? Locally?


Are we looking at the same pictures? Because half those seams aren't even straight.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #384, 11-07-2009 05:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:


Are we looking at the same pictures? Because half those seams aren't even straight.


The owner of the car had the parts farmed out by a shop he personally approved of; thus if the owner is okay with the items in question.... why are you so overly concerned?


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #385, 11-07-2009 10:14 PM
      If he didn't want comments, he wouldn't be posting on a forum.

Yes, the seams go all over the place, from a distance that interior looks awesome, but the seams are bad and the edges around the HVAC and Radio need finished. Also the Fiero HVAC controller and mid 90s headunit ruin the look. With that interior its obvious he is trying really hard to look the part, I think they ought to look harder for a better HVAC controller and a vintage headunit.

If it were my car I'd put a mercedes becker mexico radio in it, cheap, easy to find, single DIN, they look the part, and work well. Hell I even have a couple spares from my w123 I might be willing to sell if it were something he'd want.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...fPartsQ5fAccessories

Vintage Air also makes some really nice HVAC controllers that I've seen in a lot of ferrari replicas.
http://www.vintageair.com/catalog.asp

But it isn't my car.


Fastback 86 MSG #386, 11-11-2009 01:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


The owner of the car had the parts farmed out by a shop he personally approved of; thus if the owner is okay with the items in question.... why are you so overly concerned?


"Overly" is a poor choice of words. A single, one-sentence comment is hardly what I'd qualify as "overly concerned." I'd say I'm more concerned about your definition of "incredible."


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #387, 11-11-2009 02:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:


"Overly" is a poor choice of words. A single, one-sentence comment is hardly what I'd qualify as "overly concerned." I'd say I'm more concerned about your definition of "incredible."


A voyage beyond this point might become overly dangerous for you here.


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #388, 11-11-2009 12:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


A voyage beyond this point might become overly dangerous for you here.


It's not your car, why are you so overly concerned with defending it.


Fastback 86 MSG #389, 11-11-2009 01:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


A voyage beyond this point might become overly dangerous for you here.


Ooooooo, is that a threat? Am I going to get voted off the island if I dare to disagree about the quality of the stitching on a kit car? I would hope the people here are better than that, but just in case, I've got plenty of green in my bar.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #390, 11-11-2009 03:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:
It's not your car, why are you so overly concerned with defending it.


 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Ooooooo, is that a threat? Am I going to get voted off the island if I dare to disagree about the quality of the stitching on a kit car? I would hope the people here are better than that, but just in case, I've got plenty of green in my bar.


You know, you've both said what your opinion is of the interior parts. So be it, you're not the owner of this car & you're on the record as having given your opinion.

This thread has been going on for almost 2 years. The guy who owns this car is also a member on PFF, so the message has gotten thru to him. Why do you want to turn it into the kind of trash you see on RFT?

Both of you do a lot of hating on RFT about PFF & myself. It appears that it entertains you & keeps you off the street. So take it over there.

You've stated your opinion...... I know for a fact that you'll never be within 10 miles of this car & so you'll never have to worry about having your senses insulted by seeing the interior from any closer than that. You see this guy doesn't hang in the same crowds as you do, he's way out of your league.

From the start of this project, he's wanted to share this build with PFF members. Once you've given your opinion, why is it necessary for you guys to ruin the thread with your petty High School bickering?

Thanks

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #391, 11-11-2009 03:48 PM
      love the car Archie you have done a bam fine job on this build and wish you the best and cant wait to see more progress

best wishes bubbajoexxx


InTheLead MSG #392, 11-11-2009 04:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Not to worry, 99% of the time the sanding or grinding pics are recreations (without the mask & goggles) because the flash on the camera will light up & show the dust in the air if I take pics when it's actually being done.

Archie


Ahh okay that makes sense. Kinda able to give us potential customers a view of whats happening behind the scenes that way.

I enjoy the pics thanks for posting as you progress~


Sofa King MSG #393, 11-11-2009 09:12 PM
      I've said it once I'll say it again... I love this build. I think the interior work is outstanding. I've been inspired to tackle my own interior build as I am sure others have, and that's all that should matter (and the happy customer who will be driving the car). We shouldn't let a few opinions poison an incredible build.

Keep up the great work Archie and keep the pics coming!


ArbinShire MSG #394, 11-11-2009 11:04 PM
      I would rather agree about the comment in regards to the stitch-work. It looks to be a little jagged and not perfectly straight. It looks as thought it were something I did myself with a sewing machine. Of course, my opinion is only that, but it doesn't look at as good as I think it should? A a real Lamborghini would have near 100% perfection. I've seen a couple Miura's and their interiors don't have that non-linear stitching.

Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #395, 11-11-2009 11:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


You know, you've both said what your opinion is of the interior parts. So be it, you're not the owner of this car & you're on the record as having given your opinion.

This thread has been going on for almost 2 years. The guy who owns this car is also a member on PFF, so the message has gotten thru to him. Why do you want to turn it into the kind of trash you see on RFT?

Both of you do a lot of hating on RFT about PFF & myself. It appears that it entertains you & keeps you off the street. So take it over there.

You've stated your opinion...... I know for a fact that you'll never be within 10 miles of this car & so you'll never have to worry about having your senses insulted by seeing the interior from any closer than that. You see this guy doesn't hang in the same crowds as you do, he's way out of your league.

From the start of this project, he's wanted to share this build with PFF members. Once you've given your opinion, why is it necessary for you guys to ruin the thread with your petty High School bickering?

Thanks

Archie


I stated my OPINION, and how my OPINION as to ways to make it look better, just an OPINION, when someone makes suggestions it is constructive criticism. If people never hear constructive criticism, you'll only make what looks right in a narrow scope, and it won't be the best it can be.

He saw my posts? Okay? I also see that this is an open forum, if you and him weren't looking for comments and people seeing the work, and the quality of it, you wouldn't have been posting pics for two years.

I don't hate on you on RFT, I critique some of your work and your poor people skills, which I suppose is what this post is about too. I don't run RFT, I didn't start it, I am not a mod, I am not friends with the people who do, don't make RFT my problem.

Maybe the car will be at a show I am at, you don't know that. I am actually very active the classic car community and go to concours events and high end and classic auctions and shows around the country. I show vintage Porsche and Mercedes. In my circle an 80s GM HVAC controller would stand out like a sore thumb. But thats just my poor white trash circle.

High school bickering? I made a suggestion, then you and madcurl came in here trying to swing the banstick and make threats, I am not bickering. My original post was full of suggestions and links. Congratulations on once again missing the point of constructive criticism, getting defensive, and just being rude.

Your Welcome

Paul


Insert Last Words Below.



Fastback 86 MSG #396, 11-12-2009 02:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


You know, you've both said what your opinion is of the interior parts. So be it, you're not the owner of this car & you're on the record as having given your opinion.

This thread has been going on for almost 2 years. The guy who owns this car is also a member on PFF, so the message has gotten thru to him. Why do you want to turn it into the kind of trash you see on RFT?

Both of you do a lot of hating on RFT about PFF & myself. It appears that it entertains you & keeps you off the street. So take it over there.

You've stated your opinion...... I know for a fact that you'll never be within 10 miles of this car & so you'll never have to worry about having your senses insulted by seeing the interior from any closer than that. You see this guy doesn't hang in the same crowds as you do, he's way out of your league.

From the start of this project, he's wanted to share this build with PFF members. Once you've given your opinion, why is it necessary for you guys to ruin the thread with your petty High School bickering?

Thanks

Archie


Amusing. Could you try to make it a little more obvious that you don't know me at all? Find all my "hate" on you on RFT. Go ahead, I'll wait. Anything you find will be a stretch. As for where I'll be, what crowds I hang in and what "league" I may be in, you don't know any of that for a fact, so I wouldn't go around making declarations you can't substantiate. I offered a one sentence opinion on the stitch work, which you didn't do and therefore has almost nothing to do with you. Madcurl came out swinging with the ban threats and all that nonsense. If you want to know why there's bickering in this thread, ask him.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #397, 11-12-2009 07:20 AM
      Back on topic.... Archie when will this outstanding ride be completed.

Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #398, 11-17-2009 08:45 PM
      Less bickering, more pictures.

If I may make suggestions:
* Put an overlay on the Autometer gauges, they stick out like a sore thumb and scream "Autozone". (I'm guessing that's planned down the road anyhow)

* Replace the Fiero HVAC with another unit. (there are a few Kit car units available for Fieros)

* Either go completely modern with the Stereo and install a double DIN 7" LCD deck, or go retro with a Becker, or other retro deck. (which ever suits the owners preference) I'm assuming the current deck is a placeholder anyhow. (no need to let a nice deck get dirty from installation)
Add a second color to the interior (preferably darker - see Miura registry). Possibly on the top of the dash. (in case the creme makes reflections/glare on the windshield) Might not be needed. (it's fairly easy to check at this stage of the installation)

I understand that building kit cars is expensive and corners have to be cut somewhere not to let costs spiral out of control. Some of my suggestions may not be financially feasible. (or could be done at a later time)

I agree with others on the stitching. It is crooked.
That said. The stitching on ACTUAL Lambirghini's is crooked as well. (especially older ones, before Audi took over the company) - An inside joke by Lambo owners actually relates to the "Italian" stitching.

I understand the desire of the owner to go to a shop of a trusted quality and price, especially a local (to him) shop. In case the owner looks for alternatives: If I may suggest another upholsterer - AMIDA - . He has excellent stitch work and his quality is better than Ferrari OEM. Many people on this forum trust him. I would have him make an interior as well, but that's not feasible for me right now.

All that said: Keep the pictures coming!!



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #399, 11-17-2009 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Back on topic.... Archie when will this outstanding ride be completed.


We're hoping to have most all of the bodywork done by the end of the month & shoot a coat of primer on it. Then we can see what it would look like all one color (any color ).

I'm also hoping to begin the final installation of the engine in the next couple of weeks. There will be a lot of wiring (& interior assembly) going along with that. It would be nice to fire the engine up by mid-December & maybe be able to move the car under it's own power soon after that.

Still lots to do, but I'm looking forward to 2 things, getting the body all in one color & firing up the engine.

We've got a lot done since the last update, I'll get to work posting some of that up here.

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #400, 11-17-2009 09:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Austrian Import:


I agree with others on the stitching. It is crooked.
That said. The stitching on ACTUAL Lambirghini's is crooked as well. (especially older ones, before Audi took over the company) - An inside joke by Lambo owners actually relates to the "Italian" stitching.

All that said: Keep the pictures coming!!


Reminds me of an EMail I got from another Miura fan.......

"Funny thing but nobody seems to state the obvious. Hand built cars , even expensive Italian ones , are likely to have some imperfections because they are HANDBUILT! That’s why every piece on a miura is labeled with its personal issue number because the parts were hand crafted and are not interchangeable ."

There are not a lot of good interior pictures where you can see the stiching in a Miura, this is the best one I've found.



I did look at the videos of Jay Leno's 2 Miuras & the seams are not straight on either of his car either. There are a few interior shots as follows

http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...i-miura-p400/207082/ at 3:13

http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...hini-miura-s/187641/ at 3:13, 2:10 & :55

Since the Italian craftsmen who built a bunch of these car over several years couldn't get the stiching perfect, I guess we can't get too worked up blaming the current American upholstery craftsman in his 1st shot at the job.

I'll bet that by the time he gets to the 5th or 6th one, he'll have it better than the original.

Archie



Fastback 86 MSG #401, 11-17-2009 10:22 PM
      So what you're saying is, someone else didn't take enough pride in their work to do it right, it's ok that this upholsterer didn't either? Not sure I follow your logic, but if mediocrity is fine with the customer, well, it's his car. I'd send it back, but then I guess I don't think "good enough" is good enough when I'm spending what your customer is on this car.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #402, 11-17-2009 11:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:

So what you're saying is, someone else didn't take enough pride in their work to do it right, it's ok that this upholsterer didn't either? Not sure I follow your logic, but if mediocrity is fine with the customer, well, it's his car. I'd send it back, but then I guess I don't think "good enough" is good enough when I'm spending what your customer is on this car.


When does it end????


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #403, 11-18-2009 01:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:

So what you're saying is, someone else didn't take enough pride in their work to do it right, it's ok that this upholsterer didn't either? Not sure I follow your logic, but if mediocrity is fine with the customer, well, it's his car. I'd send it back, but then I guess I don't think "good enough" is good enough when I'm spending what your customer is on this car.


The reason "why" you didn't follow the Miura's stitch logic is simple- you don't think before you speak." Had you known that the original Miura's featured are known to have this type of flaw (if that' what you want to call it) is viewed as normal. Thus the original owner was just following a known pattern. On the other hand- trying to hen peck anything that Archie is building- now that type of behavior is indeed a character flaw.


Fastback 86 MSG #404, 11-18-2009 02:07 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


When does it end????


It could have ended a week ago, but you brought the stitching back up. I said my peace and left this thread 6 days ago. You came back for more, don't act so surprised that you got it.


Fastback 86 MSG #405, 11-18-2009 02:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


The reason "why" you didn't follow the Miura's stitch logic is simple- you don't think before you speak." Had you known that the original Miura's featured are known to have this type of flaw (if that' what you want to call it) is viewed as normal. Thus the original owner was just following a known pattern. On the other hand- trying to hen peck anything that Archie is building- now that type of behavior is indeed a character flaw.


Oh please. This whole "the originals were done poorly so it's ok we do it poorly" excuse showed up almost two weeks after the fact. Read Archie's post again, I'll quote it for you.

 
quote
Originally posted by V8ArchieSince the Italian craftsmen who built a bunch of these car over several years couldn't get the stiching perfect, I guess we can't get too worked up blaming the current American upholstery craftsman in his 1st shot at the job.

I'll bet that by the time he gets to the 5th or 6th one, he'll have it better than the original.


Shoddy stitching for authenticity's sake wasn't the plan, it's an after-the-fact excuse to excuse the grievance. Not only has it not been presented as an underlying plan, but quite the opposite has been presented instead. It's convenient that the original Miura had poor quality stitching, but one person's poor workmanship doesn't excuse another's, especially not 40+ years after the fact.

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #406, 11-18-2009 02:38 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:


Shoddy stitching for authenticity's sake wasn't the plan, it's an after-the-fact excuse to excuse the grievance. Not only has it not been presented as an underlying plan, but quite the opposite has been presented instead. It's convenient that the original Miura had poor quality stitching, but one person's poor workmanship doesn't excuse another's, especially not 40+ years after the fact.



LOL Grievance by a overly concerned Fiero owner- now that's a new one. I guess you'll be calling Jay Leno telling him (and all others mind you) about the shoddy Italian stitching on real Miuras and how you're an expert as-to how real stitching should be on real Miuras and replicas; after all you own a you own a Fiero, right? Son, you need to sit back, enjoy the show, and don't become overly concerned about a owners approved stitched work.

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #407, 11-18-2009 09:14 AM
      Anyway,

Archie, any updates on this great build?
I look forward to updaets on this one like I did on Troys


Sofa King MSG #408, 11-18-2009 09:26 AM
      Hi A,

I've looked at this thread 50 times, at least, and this is the first time page 8 actually came up - for some reason I was never able to view page 8. I'm not sure why... I'm pouring over all the images and comments to find out how you did all that custom interior work. Which, looks fantastic fully clothed...

Keep up the great work

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Boogaloo MSG #409, 11-18-2009 10:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:


Shoddy stitching for authenticity's sake wasn't the plan, it's an after-the-fact excuse to excuse the grievance. Not only has it not been presented as an underlying plan, but quite the opposite has been presented instead. It's convenient that the original Miura had poor quality stitching, but one person's poor workmanship doesn't excuse another's, especially not 40+ years after the fact.



I find it hard to see why it should bother you about the workmanship of this car when you are not footing the cost of building it ,if the owner is satisfied with it then so be it,Archie is doing a great job that you can't do so until you can do better why not just shut up if you are not going to say some thing positive.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #410, 11-18-2009 04:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

Anyway,

Archie, any updates on this great build?
I look forward to updaets on this one like I did on Troys


I was getting online last night to post about 50 pictures as an update to this thread, when I found that I had hurt someone's feelings. All of a sudden I wasn't in the mood to post any of them.

 
quote
Originally posted by Fastback 86:
It could have ended a week ago, but you brought the stitching back up. I said my peace and left this thread 6 days ago. You came back for more, don't act so surprised that you got it.


Just in case you hadn't noticed, I was responding to a statement by another member.

You know, it might make things a lot easier if you'd just post up a list of phrases, words or topics I'm not supposed to use in my thread.

Then you wouldn't be getting your feelings hurt so often & we could continue with this thread without your insults.

Archie

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355Fiero MSG #411, 11-18-2009 04:34 PM
      Archie;

It would be a shame to have you stop posting updates to this thread as it is an excellent build. You guys are doing an outstanding job at solving some pretty unique design and build issues.

Keep it up and keep posting updates regardless of the occasional sidetrack down the odd turkey trail. These are inevitable in a forum setting.....

Cheers
Don


Tony Kania MSG #412, 11-18-2009 05:14 PM
      The Miura has always been one of my very favorite bodies in the automotive world. Thank you for keeping up on this thread for the sole purpose of of our enjoyment.

Tony


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #413, 11-19-2009 08:47 AM
      Reset!

for pic's........................................ PLEASE!!!!!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #414, 11-19-2009 01:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

Reset!

for pic's........................................ PLEASE!!!!!!


ok, oK, OK

This group of updates is going to be kinda complicated to keep in order.

We've been working on several different related & yet unrelated projects.

We've been working on getting the windows operating in the doors, while doing bodywork on the doors & surrounding areas. Part of getting the windows working is getting dew wipes mounted. We can't complete with windows & dew wipes without finishing up the bodywork on the doors. Can't finalize the doors without getting the door jambs in the right conditon. Can't finish up getting the door jambs done without putting in the gas filler. Can't finish up the door jambs & get the windows finalized without finalizing the rubber weatherstripping seals.......yadda, yadda, yadda....

So we will be jumping around, try to follow along, you'll see.

I don't even know where to start.....

Back on page 9 you'll recall that we were working on the operating system for the windows....



As we got back on the doors this last few weeks, we were establishing the seal areas around the doors & windows & found that it wasn't going to work properly.

We found that the window wasn't going to be in far enough against the seals to seal properly. Because the thickness of the doors gets narrower at the bottom, we couldn't kick the bottom of the window out far enough to bring the top in far enough to deal. Having the window operating hardware on the outside of the window just wasn't going to work for us.

As I said before, there is no aftermarket power window kit that is short enough to operate a 13" tall window in a 15" tall door. So we were going to have to use a modified Fiero operating system. That still is true but now it was going to have to be mounted on the inside of the window.

That is going to require that the inside top of the inside door panel will have to be about 1.5" thicker that the original Miura door panel was.

We were not sure how well all this would work, so we had to prototype it. The best way to do that was to take the parts out of a Fiero door & mock them up.

Here we've cut the whole inside door panel out of a Fiero door.

Don't worry, it looks kinda crude but it's gotta be done.....



Then we took that whole pc. & began to mock it up on the inside of our door....



Add some sheet metal bent on the brake & it's looking kind good so far.....The window deometry isn't going to work on the Miura but once we drill out the rviits attaching it to the Fiero inside panel we can move the elements around to work on the Miura window.



We also had to start thinking about how we were going to mount the dew wipes on the inside & outside of the window while still keeping them serviceable. More on this later.



You can see how the door panel will be out a little on the inside.



Once, we've got the basics figured out, it's time to make a real door panel out of sheet metal.....





Eventually we'll have to make the top part of this panel out of a seperate pc. to make it so we can mount the dew wipes...... but like i said more on that later.

This is what the door panel & window parts looks like off of the door panel.





Here we're working on the plan to make the top part of the door panel a seperate pc.



Here is a picture of the window side of the door panel..... notice that the top part is now a bolt on pc. (again, more on why we're doing that later)



Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #415, 11-19-2009 03:07 PM
      Here's another shot of the (now twp pc.) inside door panel. Note that I'm calling them inside door panels but they're not in inside interior door panel that will be upholstered. These steel door panels actually carry the window & it's hardware. More on why we did a 2 pc. door panel later.



Here are some more pics of the inner upper door panel bolted to the door...





While this is all going on, some fiberglassing is also going on. We've got to buildup the areas where the seals are going to hit on the doors. Also the outside skins of the doors have big low spots in them 7 we have to build a flat on the inside of the outer door panel to attach the outboard dew wipe to.

Here's just some of the pics of that....











Once the glass had cured, it's sanded & finished for a good seal surface like this around the edges of the door.



We're also working on the gas filler inlet. On the real car it's mounted up front under one of the grills on the front clip. After a lot of deliberation, it was decided that snaking a pipe from that location back to the Fiero gas tank was an unsafe situation. So it was decided to put it in the rear door jamb on the left side.



We made a fibelglass pocket to mount it into...





Next we'll talk about the big deal on mounting the dew wipes & making the inside door panel two pcs.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #416, 11-19-2009 04:18 PM
      The inside & outside dew wipes was one of the hardest things to figure out how to mount while still keeping them to where service could still be done inside the door. After all we still are going to have to get insode the doors to hook up the door release hardware & some other things.

First we had to figure out how to mount the inside & outside dew wipes. On a stock Fiero the outer dew wipe just screws on & the inner one just pops on. We also had to curve the dew wipes to follow the radius up the trailing edge of the door. There was no way we could just abruptly end the dew wipe part way up the radius as it would look funny. Well we found we could build a fiberglass flange on the door skin for the outside dew wipe & attach it with screws. but once that was in place, there was no way to attach the inner one onto a similar flange on the inside of the window opening.

Here's the flange we made on the inside of the outer door skin to attach the outer dew wipe......





Here is a picture of the outer dew wipe curved for going up the radius at the traileing edge of the window opening. Note: the flat steel pc. made to spread the load when it's attached.......



Here it's held in place on the door......



Here it is with the dew wipe attached...



As you think about it, there's no way to attach an inner dew wipe because the window opening would be too small in width to allow you to screw on the inner dew wipe.

The only way to get the inner dew wipe attached was to make the door panel 2 pcs. & attach the dew wipe to the upper section of the door panel.

Here is the inner dew wipe attached to the upper door panel....



Notice the steel reinforcement around the curve. (Ya gotta love the plasma cutter for this kind of work.)



Here the assembly is being held up almost in place. The upper door panel will be heald in with 2 bolts at each end & the dew wipe is held on to it will several fasteners. Then the top of the lower door panel is attached to this pc.



Once it's figured out on one side of the car, it's easier to do the other side of the car.

All the time we've been doing this, Kris has been working on bodywork. That's next.

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #417, 11-19-2009 05:34 PM
      While we've been going thru all this with mounting the windows & doors, we've been doing a lot of bodywork.

These pics (in order) should give you an idea what we've been up to. you can see how it's evolved as you go thru these pics.







the body requires not only work on the outside but on the inside of things like the door panels too.







































And the bodywork continues.....

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #418, 11-19-2009 05:52 PM
      And finally, for today anyway......

In anticipation of putting the engine into the car for the last time, as soon as we can, we've been working at putting back in the gas tank, hyd. lines, A/C lines, coolant pipes, brake lines, master brake cylinder & lines for that.















Archie


Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #419, 11-19-2009 06:54 PM
      May I ask what type of engine is going into this vehicle? I probably missed it earlier on.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #420, 11-19-2009 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Bradley Jay:

May I ask what type of engine is going into this vehicle? I probably missed it earlier on.


Early on in this project, we fitted an LS3 & a 6 speed into this chassis before we sent the chassis & engine cradle out for powdercoating.

Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #421, 11-19-2009 09:10 PM
      Just a little primer......





Archie


Fierostarvin MSG #422, 11-19-2009 10:01 PM
      It's really eye opening the all the little details required to put a car like this together.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #423, 11-20-2009 01:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Fierostarvin:

It's really eye opening the all the little details required to put a car like this together.


Yeah, I know.... everything from engine choice to what type of screw is going to be needed to attach a dew wipe.

It's hard to understand that when building a car like this, you have a lot of details to take care of that no one thinks of when they see the car sitting across the parking lot from them.

"It's just a POS kit car" is what they'll say.

Archie

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #424, 11-20-2009 02:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


"It's just a POS kit car" is what they'll say.

Archie


Isn't this a Prova/Parallel Kit? IIRC Prova was approved by the Lamboghini factory when they first molded this kit. That's about as legit as a kit gets.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #425, 11-20-2009 07:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:
Isn't this a Prova/Parallel Kit? IIRC Prova was approved by the Lamboghini factory when they first molded this kit. That's about as legit as a kit gets.


That wasn't my point.

It wasn't about a legit kit or not.

My point was that no matter how much work, skills & details you go thru to build a car like this, there's always someone who will be hating on it without even considering what it took to build it.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

If you read the whole thread, you'll see that the stuff we got from the U.K. was just a body with very poor fiberglass that moved all over the place. It is a Prova/Parallel body ...... but I doubt that any factory would have endorsed what we got in our crate.

Archie

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Sofa King MSG #426, 11-20-2009 08:08 AM
      FAN-DAM-TASTIC!!!!

The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #427, 11-20-2009 11:14 AM
      WOW! I don't post a lot here anymore, just lurke... but Archie, this is top notch attention to detail... the kind of craftsmanship and detail work that make it a road going replica... not just a kit car.

Amazing work!


Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #428, 11-20-2009 12:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


That wasn't my point.

It wasn't about a legit kit or not.

My point was that no matter how much work, skills & details you go thru to build a car like this, there's always someone who will be hating on it without even considering what it took to build it.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

If you read the whole thread, you'll see that the stuff we got from the U.K. was just a body with very poor fiberglass that moved all over the place. It is a Prova/Parallel body ...... but I doubt that any factory would have endorsed what we got in our crate.

Archie



Are you sure it came from parallel then? I talked to the guy who owns it a long time ago, they had to change the bodywork to get it to pass SVA, so now its some ugly miura based thingy, but the glasswork looks decent. Prova changed hands like 3 times, not sure who may have made that kit. Now you do know the Parallel kit isn't designed to take an original windshield and on their site they show the required glasswork. Btw not trying to hate here, just telling you what I know.

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #429, 11-20-2009 12:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:


Are you sure it came from parallel then? I talked to the guy who owns it a long time ago, they had to change the bodywork to get it to pass SVA, so now its some ugly miura based thingy, but the glasswork looks decent. Prova changed hands like 3 times, not sure who may have made that kit. Now you do know the Parallel kit isn't designed to take an original windshield and on their site they show the required glasswork. Btw not trying to hate here, just telling you what I know.



From what I've been told this is the body they had to design to be approved & keep from being sued by Lamborghini.

(see below)

Archie

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Mr.PBody (paniccia008@aol.com) MSG #430, 11-20-2009 03:40 PM
      Thats the Miura Concept from a couple years ago, it may have influence the new parallel body. SVA put restrictions on things like lighting which is where part of the re-design came from.





Years ago Prova was approved by the Lamborghini factory to build repicas, I think the initial approval was over the countach which Parallel does not produce anymore, but the Miura was also part of that approval. Some pretty nasty Essex based Miuras came out of the 80s, the Prova kit was the best I've seen.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #431, 11-20-2009 05:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Mr.PBody:

Thats the Miura Concept from a couple years ago, it may have influence the new parallel body. SVA put restrictions on things like lighting which is where part of the re-design came from.



That's correct, I pulled up the wrong set of pics in my previous post.

I've removed them.

There is actually some pics from another member who has a Prova ZL earlier in this thread.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #432, 12-04-2009 03:50 PM
      We've kept up the build for the last few weeks.....

We began setting up the window operating hardware on the Left side door....







Here we're fiberglassing up the flange to the door for mounting up the outside dew wipe.



Also we're working on the door vents on the R. side door. This stuff wasn't supplied with the kit, so we have to make it up here.....







While doing that, we also are starting to fab up the floor area of the front compartment. The stock Fiero spare tire well is not going to fit into this tubular chassis. The floor we're going to have to make is not going to fit in if it's all one pc., so it will be 2 pieces.

The back part of it will have to fit up to the cowl bulkhead under the A/C componets & heaterbox. So we took a stock Fiero spare tire well & modified it as needed & use that as a mold to make the part we needed.



Here we're laying up fiberglass on it........





We're still working on the door vents....



While we make the next area of fiberglass mounting flanges for the outside dew wipe on the drivers side door....





.........

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #433, 12-04-2009 04:27 PM
      Back to the door scoops. We put in flat fiberglass pcs. for the strakes. We will have to fiberglass each one of the pockets formed by these strakes. So we hot glue these pcs. in on the bottoms & once we've fiberglassed them from the top we remove the hot glue & glass them from the bottom too.









Fabbing up the metal metal tray that will be the front compartment floor & battery box.







This is the fiberglass tray Rob made to close out the front compartment floor area.





The front compartment floor wouldn't fit in if it was all 1 piece, so it's 2 pcs., Fiberglass just in front of the bulkhead & then steel going forward from there.



Once the battery box is built, this is the front part of the front compartment floor. Since the Chassis is all powdercoated gloss Black, I think I'll send this out for Powdercoating too.





Back to the door vents, Kris has fiberglassed all 4 sides of each of the pockets formed by the strakes in the door vent to make them more ridgid & thicker.





..........



ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #434, 12-04-2009 04:51 PM
     
This detail is great!
Are these going to be functional?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #435, 12-04-2009 05:57 PM
      The strakes on the door vent on the real car are metal. We had to make them out of fiberglass because there are no provisions to attach metal parts to the door or to the outside part of the scoop. Considering that the fiberglass "sail panel" part of the door is a lot thicker than the original cars metal door skin, there's just not enough room to the inside of the strakes to accomidate fastenersfor the strakes.

To make them look as close to the original as we can, it will take a some filling, filing & sanding inside of each pocket to get the corners square with a minimal radius inside the pockets.











A little loop to form the door handle.......



And some shaping of the leading edges of the strakes & it's looking pretty good.....





The door scoops lead into the engine compartment, so we had to make a duct scoop for that.







Then we had to make that duct look right on the inside. So we used our Flat Fiberglass stock to make the inside walls for the scoop.





Some sanding, finishing & primer & it looks pretty good.









Archie


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #436, 12-04-2009 07:11 PM
     

Awesome job guys. I know that that is a major PITA to do. Looks great.

Bob

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #437, 12-04-2009 08:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Archie


Sweet!


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #438, 12-04-2009 10:10 PM
     
Sick ! Great work Archie and crew.

btw,...i spy choptop #13 ? Any new work going on with it ??



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #439, 12-05-2009 10:18 AM
      We've done the upgrades to it that Dave wanted to do. Thay are documanted in the What's up at Archie's thread.

25 Chop Tops have been done since the GBCT was completed. The GBCT now has all the upgrades that have evolved in the last 25 chops. So now it's up to date & ready for paint.

Next, Dave is going to take it to his local painter to make it all one color again.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Sick ! Great work Archie and crew.

btw,...i spy choptop #13 ? Any new work going on with it ??





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #440, 12-05-2009 10:21 AM
      We have almost all of the bodywork done on the Right side of the Miura now.

You can begin to see the shape of the car when it's all one color.......





Archie


Sofa King MSG #441, 12-05-2009 07:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

So we hot glue these pcs. in on the bottoms & once we've fiberglassed them from the top we remove the hot glue & glass them from the bottom too.


So that's how you do it? Common sense engineering.



Sofa King MSG #442, 12-05-2009 07:10 PM
      Archie,

The time and energy spent on those scoops is amazing! Having just started glassing, that would have taken me a month! I can now relate and appreciate the time and effort you all are putting into this car. PLEASE, keep posting those pics.

Amazing stuff!

G (SK)


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #443, 12-05-2009 08:37 PM
      Well, Thanks.

I've been watching your interior build thread & you're doing a pretty good job on your fiberglassing too.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:

Archie,

The time and energy spent on those scoops is amazing! Having just started glassing, that would have taken me a month! I can now relate and appreciate the time and effort you all are putting into this car. PLEASE, keep posting those pics.

Amazing stuff!

G (SK)




Sofa King MSG #444, 12-06-2009 05:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Well, Thanks.

I've been watching your interior build thread & you're doing a pretty good job on your fiberglassing too.

Archie



Thank you very much. I appreciate the words of encouragement. I have to admit I study as many pics from the Miura build as possible trying to unlock all your secrets. Please keep posting those images.

Thanks again

G (SK)


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #445, 12-10-2009 09:15 PM
      I can't wait to see this car!!

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #446, 12-12-2009 02:33 PM
     


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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #447, 12-16-2009 11:26 AM
      ALERT.............. Need help from any UPS employee who can help find a missing package.......

I'll update this thread later..........

HOWEVER, we've run into a problem.

You'll recall that several weeks ago we sent many of the interior parts out to San Antonio, TX for the 2nd phase of upholstery work.

They finished that work & sent 5 packages of finished interior parts back to us on Nov. 30th.

Well....... we only got 4 packages......

Yep, some of the custom made parts that we made for this car ARE LOST.

Sure they were insured but for no where near what it would cost to make the parts again.

We've been working with UPS to try to find the package & in fact I now have the manager of the local UPS distribution center who's going to personally try her best to try to find our missing parts.

The reason I'm telling you all this is that I'm kinda hoping that someone reading this might just happen to work in the San Antonio UPS distribution center or in the S.L.C., UT or the Independence Missouri "known overgoods" centers & might just be able to help.

I'll name my 1st born child after your PFF screen name if you can find these items.

Here are pics of what's missing, They're all upholstered in White now.....







Archie

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #448, 12-16-2009 12:33 PM
      OH! now that stinks, I hope they find it for you.
lets hope it is just because of X-mas shipping and has not been lost for good.

does the tracking # give you any clue as to where it might be.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #449, 12-16-2009 04:49 PM
      Yes.

The tracking numbers on all 5 of the boxes show that 4 of them left SA for IL on Nov. 30. Then on the 5th box that's missing, it was scanned again on Dec. 1st at SA with a note that it was missed the previous day & would be sent the next business day. That's where it disappeared. The actual package hasn't been scanned since.

In case someone from UPS happens to read this, I can PM the tracking number if he will contact me.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

OH! now that stinks, I hope they find it for you.
lets hope it is just because of X-mas shipping and has not been lost for good.

does the tracking # give you any clue as to where it might be.




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #450, 12-18-2009 10:59 PM
      Since my last posting on progress, we've got a lot done.

During this period of time, we got our 2nd phase of interior upholstery back from the interior shop.

It's well documented in posts earlier on this page that UPS managed to lose 3 of the finished interior parts & that we are still searching for them.

Here's the parts we did get back & they look great.













Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #451, 12-18-2009 11:28 PM
      Picking up on the progress since my last big update on 12-05-09.

We continued putting the suspension & brake parts together.





Working on the drivers door.



Getting ready to fiberglass in the returns on door for the inside dew wipes





While some fiberglass is curing, Kris is working other parts of the job. Here the rocker panel & door jamb are getting attention.





The rear brakes & lines are going in. Just like the GT40 we built, the Miura looks cool with the rear clip off.





Dew wipe fitting





More glassing....





.......


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #452, 12-19-2009 12:11 AM
      More brake assembly...





Dew wipe fitted & window fitted





Working on finishing the edges of the door





Once the door is finalized arounc the outside & fitted on the car we can work on the door gaps & body lines.







We've got to work the boddy to get parts to fit flush all the way around. See how the door sits out from the body at the top



& the top side of the front clip doesn't match up to the top of the dorr.



The sideburn of the front clip doesn't match up to the door skin or the rocker panel down at the bottom.





The right side of the car wasn't that far off. But it will all look like this when we're done..



Here Kris is building up the "B" pillar right behind the door
a bit.





Also working on the 2 vents below the grill....



To match the other side of the car & the door, the rocker panel had to be ground down so far that we went thru the glass.



We put a piece of cardboard behind this area an then fiberglassed over it. Then we removes the cardboard.




...........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #453, 12-19-2009 12:30 AM
      In the meantime, we've fiberglassed the sideburn area.



More bodywork













Add some primer so we can see where we're going....





Sanding continues





More update tomorrow.

Thanks

Archie


katatak MSG #454, 12-19-2009 01:21 AM
      Completely unbelievable. You and your crew blow me away with your skills. You guys are a source of great inspiration to me. My chin is sore from it dropping on the floor everytime I open up this thread.

I really learned a lot from watching and reading your posts on the interiror pieces. I hope those missing parts show up. It is going to be another work of art from Archie and crew when finished. Any hints on what color the car will be? Not crazy about the white leather though. But hey, it's just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like! Great job Archie and crew. Thanks for sharing your work.

Pat


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #455, 12-20-2009 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Completely unbelievable. You and your crew blow me away with your skills. You guys are a source of great inspiration to me. My chin is sore from it dropping on the floor everytime I open up this thread.

I really learned a lot from watching and reading your posts on the interiror pieces. I hope those missing parts show up. It is going to be another work of art from Archie and crew when finished. Any hints on what color the car will be? Not crazy about the white leather though. But hey, it's just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like! Great job Archie and crew. Thanks for sharing your work.

Pat


I'm glad the build threads can inspire others' to try some custom stuff.

That's the whole reason I've posted so much fiberglass work in the build threads.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #456, 12-20-2009 06:00 PM
      I'm going to see if I can complete the update that I started yesterday.

......The gaps in the seams where the front clip meets the cowl are a bit too wide. So metal was used to make a form for fiberglassing in material.





Then we took the front clip off to glass these aresa from underneath.







You see the vertical wall of the metal will replace the wall that was in these areas.



After glassing, you can see that the edges of the front clip have been moved out a little





Finally we are far enough along on the drivers side of the car that we can start woring on the door vent.





After cleaning up & deburring the new extended edges on the front clip look like they were there all along.





While f-glass sets up on different areas of work, Kris is doing things like sanding the scoop areas under the grill...





Then it's back to work on the door scoop.



Archie


Sofa King MSG #457, 12-20-2009 06:18 PM
      GAWD DANG IT!!!! I love this build!

Hope you find those parts! Not a good way to end the year...

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #458, 12-20-2009 07:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Add some primer so we can see where we're going....




Archie



What's going on with the black fastback in the back ground? Details please.


katatak MSG #459, 12-20-2009 08:59 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:
What's going on with the black fastback in the back ground? Details please.


Madcurl is always scanning the backgorund to see what's next........


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #460, 01-04-2010 12:46 AM
      Did UPS find the parts?

fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #461, 01-08-2010 01:24 AM
      This build is addictive and we need a Miura Project fix. Hit us up with an update Arch (did you find the missing parts?)

skuzzbomer MSG #462, 01-08-2010 08:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

This build is addictive and we need a Miura Project fix. Hit us up with an update Arch (did you find the missing parts?)


The last update was nearly three weeks ago... and I've just read this thread from the start to this point. I want to know what's happened.


Austrian Import (maximilian_ledworowski@csumb.edu) MSG #463, 01-08-2010 06:29 PM
      Archie, I was wondering on the interior, what color is it? On the pictures it's really hard to tell if it's a cream, or white.

Is there a way you could take a picture with something that could give me a better reference as to the color? (or outdoor pictures)



kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #464, 01-15-2010 12:29 PM
      Another question Archnie, after we see, and know, the interior color, can you also let us know if you plan on using the stock steering wheel? I think the Muira came with a Nardi. Let us know....

Cordially,
Kevin


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #465, 01-15-2010 05:07 PM
      From page 10



troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #466, 01-19-2010 05:13 PM
      Archie did you guys start the swap yet?

Sofa King MSG #467, 01-20-2010 11:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

From page 10



WOW!!!!! Very nice... A very enthusiastic thumbs up!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #468, 01-20-2010 05:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:

Archie did you guys start the swap yet?


We test fitted the engine & transmission onto the cradle & into the car some time ago before the chassis & cradle were powdercoated.

We plan to final install them as soon as most of the body sanding is done. We figure THAT will be pretty soon.

Archie


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #469, 01-21-2010 06:33 PM
      Oh goody

kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #470, 01-21-2010 06:39 PM
      I forgot the ask you guys if you thought about adding the "chicken bar" on the central tunnel? You might remember the original Muira had one? Just asking for authentification purposes.

Cordially,
Kevin


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #471, 01-26-2010 11:41 AM
      Archie please an update is needed im going nuts waiting to see more progress

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #472, 01-28-2010 12:02 PM
      More updates........

Working on finishing the surface of the inner wheel wells on the front clip.



And building door vents in left side door.







Sanding & shaping the door vents & getting them into primer.











....



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #473, 01-28-2010 12:36 PM
      Trying to finalize the body shape.

Working on the meeting line between the cowl & front clip.





Shaping the flat area of the front clip & finishing the scoop behind the Left door scoop.









We're trying to get this car in primer by the 1st of next week.

We won't be 100% done with bodywork by then, we will be ready to see it all in one color for once.

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #474, 01-28-2010 02:00 PM
      have to give you an AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ on the fit and finish so far excellent

madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #475, 01-28-2010 02:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

More updates........



....


Sweet!


katatak MSG #476, 01-28-2010 05:28 PM
      There are some "dead sexy" curves here!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #477, 01-28-2010 10:15 PM
      This is just a little tease....... a little preview of the next update





katatak MSG #478, 01-28-2010 10:40 PM
      Man Archie....It's not nice to tease. The inner fenderwells look smooth. Can't wait to see it one color - even if it is just primer. Kudo's to you and your crew - that car is a true work of craftsmanship. Art in motion even when sitting still!

Pat


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #479, 01-30-2010 10:49 PM
     

I know it's only primer..... but it's kinda exciting to know that Monday morning we'll be hanging the body panels back on it & they'll all be the same color.

Archie

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Sofa King MSG #480, 01-30-2010 11:10 PM
      WOW. An insane build. I hope you give your crew kudos - you all deserve it. Just a wonderful looking automobile. WOW

motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #481, 01-31-2010 10:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

More updates........

Sanding & shaping the door vents & getting them into primer.






....

Archie, Knowing how much sanding went into those vents is making my fingertips bleed, I've been there making plugs for parts.

This car is going to be fantastic!!!

Good enough, isn't. Joe


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #482, 02-01-2010 10:54 PM
      Thanks for your kind comments.

I'm jumping forward a little bit right now.

Last week we spent the 1st few days getting the edges & joints finished up & we made the scoops in the rocker panels.

Then at the end of last week we painted it in primer. Today we put it all back together.....

I think it looks pretty good all one color even if it is just primer.



















Archie



DeLorean00 (twincam18@aol.com) MSG #483, 02-01-2010 11:01 PM
      WOW!! I just don't see how this car could get any nicer!!

Did UPS find the parts they lost??


RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #484, 02-01-2010 11:36 PM
      I have to back that up!! This is so sweeeettttt!! I know the owner must be GIDDY with excitement to see the car at this stage. Man you guys have done a fantastic job on this car. Can't wait to see it finished.

AusFiero (jim@jadeweb.com.au) MSG #485, 02-02-2010 12:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DeLorean00:

WOW!! I just don't see how this car could get any nicer!!

Did UPS find the parts they lost??


Glass and Paint would make it look heaps nicer
Great shaped car. I have a model of one on my shelf.


exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #486, 02-02-2010 12:43 AM
     
SICK !


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #487, 02-02-2010 09:56 AM
      I'll bet it's been a real ego/moral boost to the crew to see the car at this stage, the finish line is in sight now!!! There's not many big projects that I'm willing to take on anymore, but if that body was avalible in that level of detail, I'd do one!!!

I fully understand the buissness reasons why you won't be tooling this project, I spent about a decade and a half chasing my personal white whale (Lambo Countach) and spent enough money to have bought my house with cash, all I have to show for it are a bunch of parts and molds taking up space, and a couple of magazine articals.

The car so far is awesome

Joe


Tony Kania MSG #488, 02-02-2010 12:02 PM
      Last night, on Super Cars Exposed, Tanner Foust went to Italy to drive some Lamborghinis. While chatting with some president of the Italian Lamborghini club, they spent a little time with a Miura SV. Oh she was gorgeous! She was the most amazing color of blue that I had ever layed my eyes on. The Miura, easily one of my top ten favorite automobiles.

Tony


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #489, 02-02-2010 12:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Last night, on Super Cars Exposed, Tanner Foust went to Italy to drive some Lamborghinis. While chatting with some president of the Italian Lamborghini club, they spent a little time with a Miura SV. Oh she was gorgeous! She was the most amazing color of blue that I had ever layed my eyes on. The Miura, easily one of my top ten favorite automobiles.

Tony


Yeah, I was surfing & I saw that but I wasn't quick enough. That video showed the hood vents real good. The hood vents are one thing we still have to fabricate & I really don't have any real good pics of them.

In fact, that's why i can online just now was to see if I can find out when that show is going to run again so I can record it.

Archie

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Sofa King MSG #490, 02-02-2010 02:10 PM
      Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #491, 02-02-2010 03:17 PM
      Archie
use this link there are a couple good closeup shots of the grills http://web-cars.com/miura/styling_2.php


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #492, 02-02-2010 05:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Archie
use this link there are a couple good closeup shots of the grills http://web-cars.com/miura/styling_2.php


Thanks, that helps

Archie


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #493, 02-02-2010 07:32 PM
      WOW! It would be cool to show this to Jay Leno

Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #494, 02-02-2010 08:28 PM
      Too bad you can't make some molds of this just in case the car gets destroyed so that it can be duplicated

355Fiero MSG #495, 02-03-2010 02:06 AM
      I keep coming back to this thread and staring at the car in all one colour. Really sets it up nicely as it is always hard to see what the near final product looks like in mutlicolours. This has been a very interesting process. A tribute to a crew that can do a lot of fantastic things with a little Pontiac mid engine car....

My hat off to you and your crew Archie.

I am with Erik in that it is a shame no molds will be taken from this car as the owner and you or anyone that would be willing to invest the capital for the molds, could make some decent dollars off this as a body kit. The reshaping of the Fiero frame in all its glory is also captured in this thread for people to reference as well as they redo their own Fieros.

I do undrstand the owner's reluctance though as a one off like this is much more appealing than many kits out there in various stages of completion. But one thing though, the owner will always have the orginal .... copy.... you know what I mean... ;o)

Again, outstanding work and I am looking forward to seeing the interior in and the engine in as you continue.

Regards
Don

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #496, 02-03-2010 08:19 AM
      Archie
the car is looking great, way to go guys

Now tell Chris to get back to work we need more updates........
D.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #497, 02-03-2010 10:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

Archie
the car is looking great, way to go guys

Now tell Chris to get back to work we need more updates........
D.


He's working on making the interior parts that UPS lost right now.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #498, 02-03-2010 10:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

I keep coming back to this thread and staring at the car in all one colour. Really sets it up nicely as it is always hard to see what the near final product looks like in mutlicolours. This has been a very interesting process. A tribute to a crew that can do a lot of fantastic things with a little Pontiac mid engine car....

My hat off to you and your crew Archie.

I am with Erik in that it is a shame no molds will be taken from this car as the owner and you or anyone that would be willing to invest the capital for the molds, could make some decent dollars off this as a body kit. The reshaping of the Fiero frame in all its glory is also captured in this thread for people to reference as well as they redo their own Fieros.

I do undrstand the owner's reluctance though as a one off like this is much more appealing than many kits out there in various stages of completion. But one thing though, the owner will always have the orginal .... copy.... you know what I mean... ;o)

Again, outstanding work and I am looking forward to seeing the interior in and the engine in as you continue.

Regards
Don



Thanks for your king words.

One note however, the owner of this car DID WANT us to make molds of the whole project. I'm the one who nixed making molds. It would have cost me $50K to $60K to make a complete set of molds & tooling for all of the parts we've made or modified to build this car. Add another $5K to make & prove out welding jigs for all the chassis modifications. I chased that white whale back when I did the GT40 (and a few other projects over the years) & I know how hard it is to develop a project like this.

I don't have enough time left in this life to get a payback on that kind of investment.

Just like the GT40, when push comes to shove, not many Fiero owners will get off of $15K or more for a kit, plus put in the kind of work it would take to put one of these cars together.

Archie

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #499, 02-03-2010 11:27 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


He's working on making the interior parts that UPS lost right now.

Archie


Oh man?! never found? that stinks, I hate to hear that.

keep up the great work
D.




355Fiero MSG #500, 02-03-2010 11:44 AM
      Archie;

Thanks for the explanation. Yes, it is a LOT of money to get everything put together for a kit car that is for sure. Good luck with the rest of the build and please keep us thread surfers posted with pics.

Cheers
Don


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #501, 02-03-2010 09:03 PM
      Well, back to the dirty work.

Monday after we got the car back together & took some pics, Kris got to work on making the 3 parts that UPS lost.

They lost the overhead console, the left lower "B" pillar cover & the right "A" pillar cover.

The console & the left lower "B" pillar cover are fabricated out of sheets of flat Fiberglass.

After making a few templates, Kris cut some shapes out of the fiberglass sheet.

The Fiberglass panels are all hot glued together (glue on the outside), square corners & all.





Then the inside pf the part gets a couple layers of fiberglass with some extra in the square corners.

After glassing Kris put some paint sticks inside to help it keep its shape.





Then the corners on the outside are ground off to form a radius where the straight panels met. Carefully put in holes for the switches & lights & it's close to finished.





While he was working on the console he was doing the same thing for the lower "B" pillar cover.







While Kris was doing some of the fiberglass on these parts he also made this part.



The "A" pillar cover won't be made out of flat fiberglass sheet. When we made these parts before we found that by makeing a part off of a corner of one of the Fino/Finale molds we could come up with a part to modify to make the part we needed.

So as of tonight, Kris has 2 of the missing parts made & is well on his way to making the hardest one of the 3.





Archie



RumbleB MSG #502, 02-07-2010 11:44 PM
      I have been watching from the background. All I have to say is WOW! This is excellent work, guys. Question for you. Where do you get the sheets of flat fiberglass?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #503, 02-08-2010 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RumbleB:

I have been watching from the background. All I have to say is WOW! This is excellent work, guys. Question for you. Where do you get the sheets of flat fiberglass?


We have a 4' x 4' piece of formica counter top & we make the flat fiberglass on that.

Archie


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #504, 02-08-2010 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

I chased that white whale
Archie



Hey that's my line

Joe


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #505, 02-09-2010 09:39 PM
      Just a couple a couple of actual Miura pics for motivation!





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #506, 02-09-2010 09:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by motoracer838:

Hey that's my line

Joe


Yes, I know, I used that line on porpose. (<~~~ I used that word on purpose)

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #507, 02-09-2010 10:33 PM
      After about 3 days Kris has finished making the 3 missing interior parts. They have been sent out for upholstery again. This time they are heavily insured.



We've now started building the inside door panels from scratch.







Once the base of the door panel is established, we have to devise a way to mount them securely.

Kris took several large nuts, put plastic tape over them then laid several layers of fiberglass over them. Once the nuts are removed we the remaining fiberglass "cups". A spring clip is mounted in the botom of each cup & the cups are mounted to the steel door panel that all the window hardware is mounted to.

Then we begin to mount the door panel to the cups.....





After securing those cups in place & grinding them flush with the new door panel, we're ready to fiberglass them into place.....



Here is is glassed up. I'll show you the other side of the door panel tomorrow after the fiberglass has setup overnight.





Archie



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #508, 02-10-2010 01:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

After about 3 days Kris has finished making the 3 missing interior parts. They have been sent out for upholstery again. This time they are heavily insured.

Archie


Same courier or different company?


fieroguru MSG #509, 02-10-2010 08:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





I like that table!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #510, 02-10-2010 11:21 PM
      The Italian Job;
http://www.kidston.com/view_news.php?id=56

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Sofa King MSG #511, 02-11-2010 08:03 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Hey Archie,

As always great work! I love studying the build of the fiberglass pieces. I'm getting ready to start redesigning the door panels for my 88 so please keep those door panel pics coming! I do have a quick question for ya. The blue "filler" placed in all the inside edges of the fiberglass pieces you and your team have created - is that body filler or fiberglass?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #512, 02-11-2010 11:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Sofa King:


Hey Archie,

As always great work! I love studying the build of the fiberglass pieces. I'm getting ready to start redesigning the door panels for my 88 so please keep those door panel pics coming! I do have a quick question for ya. The blue "filler" placed in all the inside edges of the fiberglass pieces you and your team have created - is that body filler or fiberglass?



The blue filler is a fine body filler...........

When we start fabricating a part with flat fiberglass panels it has square outside corners like this



Then we go to the inside use filler to make an inside radius similar to the radius we want to have on the outside. We then lay fiberglass on the inside over that filler. Then when we go to the outside to turn those square corners into rounded corners, we are grinding the corner down far enough to remove the filler & get to the new layer of fiberglass we laid on the inside. Like this.........



Between Troy's car, Curley's car & this car, Kris & Rob have become masters of this method.

You're going to see a real good example of this in my next update where we hand fabricate the armrests from flat fiberglass sheet.

Archie

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skuzzbomer MSG #513, 02-12-2010 01:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

The Italian Job;
http://www.kidston.com/view_news.php?id=56



The most beautiful car in history... also is one of the best sounding. The car is literally sex on wheels.


Sofa King MSG #514, 02-12-2010 07:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The blue filler is a fine body filler...........

When we start fabricating a part with flat fiberglass panels it has square outside corners like this

Then we go to the inside use filler to make an inside radius similar to the radius we want to have on the outside. We then lay fiberglass on the inside over that filler. Then when we go to the outside to turn those square corners into rounded corners, we are grinding the corner down far enough to remove the filler & get to the new layer of fiberglass we laid on the inside. Like this.........

Between Troy's car, Curley's car & this car, Kris & Rob have become masters of this method.

You're going to see a real good example of this in my next update where we hand fabricate the armrests from flat fiberglass sheet.

Archie



Brilliant! Thank you very much for the detailed instruction. That was one of the few grey areas I had not figured out. I'm really looking forward to seeing the armrests - I don't have to tell you to take LOTS of pics LOL. As I get closer to creating Console Part II, I will definately use these tips and guidance.

Thanks again and keep up the fantastic work.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #515, 02-12-2010 10:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Here is is glassed up. I'll show you the other side of the door panel tomorrow after the fiberglass has setup overnight.

Archie






Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #516, 02-12-2010 10:41 PM
      I looked around the Internet for a few days & couldn't find any armrests that could look right in this car.

The customer wanted the door panels to look as close as we can to this panel (w/o the window crank).



I just couldn't find an armrest on the internet that was small enough to work into our car.

So we decided to make them.

These are being made out of flat fiberglass sheet just like many other items in this car.

Kris starts with a cardboard template.....



And a felt marker drawing.....





Using pcs. of flat fiberglass sheet, he starts building it like a kids card house glued together with hot glue.





Here he has a small pc. hot glued to an allen wrench while he puts it in place.....







Taking shape but with all square corners so far.



...........



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #517, 02-12-2010 11:05 PM
      Yep, we need 2 of them.....





Here you can see the radius of filler on the inside.



As a few layers of fiberglass are laid in...



As the glass cured, you can see the radius....



You can see it real well right here.....



After grinding the radius, you can see that the body filler & the outside square corner are gone.....



You can see that Kris has installed a mounting plate to the backside of the arm rests....



Then it is fiberglassed into place.





.............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #518, 02-12-2010 11:10 PM
      There is still some work to do some sanding & edges to finish up but, you can see that this armrest is coming along nicely.











Archie


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #519, 02-13-2010 09:31 AM
      I can't wait to see the finished interior. Lookin' good

Joe


kwagner MSG #520, 02-13-2010 09:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





What is going in the gap at the top of the door? On this pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...amborghini_Miura.JPG
the 'fins' go to the top of the door, but it looks like the top is a separate piece? Does it attach to the side of the car?


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #521, 02-13-2010 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

There is still some work to do some sanding & edges to finish up but, you can see that this armrest is coming along nicely.



Archie


Nice to see the Crew is (pardon the pun) getting a handle on things

Edit: I own page 14, hehe.

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #522, 02-15-2010 05:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kwagner:


What is going in the gap at the top of the door? On this pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org...amborghini_Miura.JPG
the 'fins' go to the top of the door, but it looks like the top is a separate piece? Does it attach to the side of the car?


There's some good Miura pics on Adam Carolla's carcast site: http://www.adamcarolla.com/...miura-s-restoration/



Sofa King MSG #523, 02-16-2010 10:13 AM
      Hey Archie,

Those detailed pics of the armrest are amazing! THANK YOU! The detail pic of the filler and the hard edges before sanding were perfect - now it all makes sense. I've been unable to do anything because of the cold and I'm getting more antsy everyday! Please keep those pics coming.

Absolutely fantastic work!

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Gokart Mozart MSG #524, 02-16-2010 08:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Yeah, I was surfing & I saw that but I wasn't quick enough. That video showed the hood vents real good. The hood vents are one thing we still have to fabricate & I really don't have any real good pics of them.




Here's a few more
http://www.cartype.com/page...borghini_miura__1967

http://www.lambocars.com/miu/p400i1.php
http://www.lambocars.com/miu/p400si1.php
http://www.lambocars.com/miu/p400sv.htm


http://www.lambocars.com/miu/roadsteri1.htm


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #525, 02-22-2010 11:52 AM
      As we continue......

Just let me know, via PM, when you've seen enough of someone making parts &/or fiberglassing.

I think we've gone thru at least one 55 Gal. Drum of resin & 2 or 3 rolls of matt on this car.

Building the Left side inner door panel.





Glassing in the fasteners on the back side of the door panel



Making more flat fiberglass sheet....



Building the vertical part of the door panels







Glassing in the back side of the vertical door panel sections





......



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #526, 02-22-2010 12:14 PM
      Sanding & filling arm rests & door panels.









Building the "Hump" onto the door panel fwd. of the armrests....







"Hump" glassing....



Archie


Sofa King MSG #527, 02-23-2010 12:07 PM
      A,

Love the updates. And no, you can never post too many build pics. If you wouldn't mind, could you post some pics describing and showing the tools used to cut the actual fiberglass shapes from the flat panels before you hot glue and glass them together? I'm trying to absorb as much information as possible. From the pictures it looks like you primarily use mat fiberglass. Do you prefer the mat fiberglass when creating the flat panels?

As always - fantastic work. Buy those guy a beer!

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RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #528, 02-23-2010 03:26 PM
      Beer?? I say give them a raise!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #529, 02-25-2010 01:19 PM
      After building up the "Humps" with some mounting hardware & rounding off the sharp corners & sanding, like we did with the armrests, the door panels are looking good.







The door panels are not yet ready for upholstery. We've now got to work out & mount an inside door release handle & hardware that allows it to actually open the door from the inside.

Now that might not sound like a big deal, however right now the doors have a LOT more stuff mounted inside of them then when they were just the fiberglass shells that came with the kit.



It reminds me of 1990 when I built my Countach 25th Anniversary. I had bought a "complete" kit, which by definition should mean that everything needed was included. None of the stuff that came with the doors wold work or even come close to fitting. Even the hinges were barn door hinges. We spent at least 100 hours & a bunch of $$$$ completing those doors.

This car had no hardware & no instructions or hint as to what the manufacturer used or recommended to build the car. So it's all from scratch on this one.

We also have been working on the louvers that cover the engine area on the rear clip.

That update will be next.

Archie

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #530, 02-26-2010 04:22 PM
      Our last major exterior body modification is to build the louvers that cover the engine compartment.

Trying to work out a way to make the engine cover louvers, took a little trial & error.

We already knew that making them out of thin metal was not going to work too well. You can google Miura louvers & see that on many Miuras, the louvers look uneven. We knew that making them out of metal was not going to look good because of sag & misalignment.

the louvers on the real car have a slight arc to them & there's no way 6 thin metal louvers with a perfect arc on them & with the 2 90 degree ends on them & make them look halfway decent.

We decided, to get some repeatability, that they needed to be made out of fiberglass.

We made a tool with an arc in it to duplicate the arc of the roofline, to make our parts on.



Then, with our 1st design in mind, we laid up 2 layers of fiberglass, then put in a 1/4" x 1" pc. of bar stock (bent to the same curve as the tool). Then we laid up 2 more layeds of fiberglass on top of that.





After playing with that one for a little bit, we decided that it had too much deflection or "bounce" in it. The weight of the horizontal part was not helping to keep the arc of the metal from sagging. We needed a way to have the fiberglass become a structural part of the strength of the horizontal part of the louver.

We decided on a "sandwich" of materials which would be glued together right on our tool. We would use the same glue mix that we make to bond hood panels together on the Fino/Finale & other cars. When it cures, that glue sets up very solid & keeps the parts right where you put them. Making a "sandwich" of 2 flat fiberglass sheets with 2 arc'ed pcs. of flat stock. All glued together in the shape we wanted might work.

To that end, once again, we made some more flat fiberglass sheet 2 layers thick....



After the fiberglass sheet was totally cured, we cut 2 pcs. of it for each wing.



We also cut 2 pcs. of flat stock 1/4" thick x 3/4" wide & bent it to the arc.

We laid the 1st pc. of fiberglass sheet onto the tool.



We mixed up a batch of our glue



Using a UPS overnight plastic pack, we then glued the 2 pcs. of flat stock on it....



We put on several more beads of glue.....



Then we carefully laid the 2nd pc. of fiberglass sheet on top of that.



Then we put weights on it to let it setup for a while.



...............


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #531, 02-26-2010 04:45 PM
      After letting the glue cure completely, the pc. is a laminated part in which the glue has allowed the fiberglass sheets to become a structural part of the louver.



The metal sticking out at the ends gets bent over at a 90* angle as the louver is fitted to it's position on the car.



Then the ends are glassed up...





After some sanding & shaping, it looks pretty good.





With all the stuff to do & only one tool to do it on. With cure time & everything we could only get 2 of them done per day.









Once we have them all done, we will secure them in place while we open the rear clip & build an aluminium frame to tie them all together & make it so they they can be removed for painting etc.

Archie


katatak MSG #532, 02-26-2010 08:05 PM
      Just when we think it can't get any better......... I love this thread!

I know I've said this before but I'll say it again.

Thanks for sharing all this Archie - so much great info and little tricks. You guys are amazing!

Pat



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #533, 02-26-2010 09:51 PM
      Thanks for the kind words.

We got the last 2 louvers setting in the car just before we left tonight.

The bottom 2 still need a little tweeking but I took some pics anyway.







Archie


FieroDev MSG #534, 02-26-2010 10:08 PM
      Thats awesome! cant wait to see them painted!

exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #535, 02-27-2010 12:50 AM
     

Archie that is phenominal !

It really is amazing watching how you guys come up with ideas to fabricate and create things from scratch !


Amida (robert.kusakabe@comcast.net) MSG #536, 02-27-2010 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:



Archie


Beautiful!


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #537, 02-27-2010 01:37 PM
      The build is fantastic, and Archie...Your team is simply amazing.

WOW!!

Bob


diabloscott (swoodard23@sbcglobal.net) MSG #538, 02-28-2010 10:08 PM
      This really is impressive. What type of wheel is the owner going to run?

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Sofa King MSG #539, 03-01-2010 10:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Just when we think it can't get any better......... I love this thread!

I know I've said this before but I'll say it again.

Thanks for sharing all this Archie - so much great info and little tricks. You guys are amazing!

Pat


UH-GREED!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #540, 03-04-2010 09:48 PM
      Work continues

While Rob worked on the louvers, Kris was working on placing some inside door handles into the doors.

The front top corner is where it's supposed to be...Here we're test fitting it



Really limited on where we can put it because we have to clear all the window operating hardware on the inside.





We ended up mounting it deeper into the door panel than what you see above. Mostly because we wanted to make a finger pocket around the handle & we didn't want to make the door panel any thicker than it is.

Here's what the pockets look like now...









Then, since a bunch of the parts have been finalized, we decided to dry fit some of the parts to make sure they fit correctly before final fitting.

Tail lights, rear bumper & insert (the insert was powdercoated semi-gloss black)...







The headlights.....



Also fitted were the finished battery tray parts that I showed you before & a few other things.

like...........



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #541, 03-04-2010 09:58 PM
      We also installed the engine/transmission into the car for the last time.









Tomorrow, we'll put the rear clip back on & see what the stance is like then.

While we were installing the engine, Rob worked on welding up a framework to hold the louvers together & mount them to the car.







More pics of the detail of putting this together tomorrow.

Archie


RumbleB MSG #542, 03-04-2010 10:36 PM
      Archie,

I would just like to say again. Wow the work that you guys go through is amazing. You have given me the guts to do a repair project on a fiberglass cab that goes to a little crane called a Drott 85.
The whole back, left corner was missing. Watching how you make your parts, I am now, able to make a copy of the missing corner and get the cab back in shape and I have never made anything from scratch, with fiberglass before.

Thanks a bunch,

Don Z.

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skuzzbomer MSG #543, 03-05-2010 12:28 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We also installed the engine/transmission into the car for the last time.



Archie


So... I guess it's going to be moving under it's own power from here on out?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #544, 03-05-2010 09:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by skuzzbomer:


So... I guess it's going to be moving under it's own power from here on out?


We still have to hook the engine up & rewire the whole car.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #545, 03-05-2010 10:01 PM
      The news today, is that the 3 interior parts we had to remake have been upholstered & the customer has picked them up & is sending them to us tomorrow.

Monday, I'll be sending out the door panels so that they can be upholstered.

They'll be heavily insured.

Additionally, here are some pics of the louvers & the framework we made to hold them.







........


skuzzbomer MSG #546, 03-05-2010 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


We still have to hook the engine up & rewire the whole car.


Yeah... but you don't have to keep dropping it in and out anymore. (message to myself: duh)


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #547, 03-05-2010 10:20 PM
      Now that the engine is in the car, we can start looking at the ride height & see what the finished car might look like.























Archie


steve308 MSG #548, 03-05-2010 11:05 PM
      WOW - JUST WOW

Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #549, 03-05-2010 11:23 PM
      IMHO.........without a doubt another masterpiece by the "Car-tist". This may be your finest work yet! Not to take anything away from those that went before, but this one is truly striking. Your team seves as an inspiration to all do-it-yourselfers!

HAGO!


bowrapennocks MSG #550, 03-06-2010 09:47 AM
      Truly amazing. A work of art. Archie, how many total labor hours will be invested in the car upon completion?

Sofa King MSG #551, 03-08-2010 10:17 AM
      SPECTACULAR!

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #552, 03-08-2010 05:58 PM
      EDIT:
Ahhh, nevermind.

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Bridgetown MSG #553, 03-08-2010 08:53 PM
      Man that is one deadly lookin' car.

countach711 (johngates@hotmail.com) MSG #554, 03-15-2010 12:03 AM
     
 
quote
[B]
We're also working on the gas filler inlet. On the real car it's mounted up front under one of the grills on the front clip. After a lot of deliberation, it was decided that snaking a pipe from that location back to the Fiero gas tank was an unsafe situation. So it was decided to put it in the rear door jamb on the left side.



We made a fibelglass pocket to mount it into...





Hi Archie,
I haven't checked this thread for a while but is one of my top 2 favorites along with Bubbajoecox (sp?) build. I think when you or anyone else for that matter looks back over your life's work that this will stand out as your masterpiece. It is truly a marvel. That being said, when I saw the hole for the gas inlet and realized it was in the door frame it sent up some red flags. I know you wrote that the decision was made after much discussion, but you may want to take another look at it. There are so many things wrong with that location it's scary.

#1. I believe most all fill up locations state to close the door when fueling, and also not to get in and out of the car because you can build up static electricity as I'm sure you already know.
#2 Think of the things that could create a static spark in the interior of the car, possibly setting off fumes on a hot day when the seal isn't quite right because some gas station in the middle of nowhere has let its pumps go into disrepair.
a. A cell phone goes off, either driver's or passenger's.
b. somebody shifts in the passanger seat and creates a spark.
c. the driver forgets or gets careless and sits down while fueling. When he gets back up, he's now charged with electricity again.
d. Any number of interior electronics, faulty or otherwise could possibly set it off, relays, lights,etc..

3. Dripping/spilling fuel on the interior is a distinct possibility while either putting the nozzle in or taking it back out and that isn't good from a purely aesthetic viewpoint plus the odor.

I'm sure you get the idea, but the list goes on. If, God forbid, a spark did ignite the fumes, you now have a fire in the interior of the car, with a possible passenger seated, maybe even belted in. The headliner and the passenger's hair would be the first to go and it could go quickly and spread from there. At least if it's outside the car it could possibly be extinguished before any or little damage was done to the car, not to mention people.

As you, yourself state, you are trying to prevent an unsafe situation. I do agree that running a connection from the front to the back is not a good idea either. I have two possible alternatives:
1. Is there some other place at the rear of the car it could be placed? Now that you made those beautiful louvers they would hide an inlet residing underneath, although honestly I do not know enough about the car's configuration to know if this is feasible.

2. What about creating an inlet at the front of the gas tank and sealing up the rear one? I would think enough room could be made to locate one near the top of the tank at the front and then the stock filler location could still be retained. If you do choose to do this, please have it done by someone who knows how to weld on a gas tank as I've heard a few horror stories about that. Someone on this forum even said that after a tank has been drained and set for a while that fumes can remain in the seams, or something like that.

Anyway, this is just food for thought, again it is an awesome project and a beautiful build. Archie, I hope you know I am only trying to help. Everyone else, flame away!!



jmbishop (jmbishop05@aol.com) MSG #555, 03-15-2010 01:19 AM
      #1. I believe most all fill up locations state to close the door when fueling, and also not to get in and out of the car because you can build up static electricity as I'm sure you already know.
Should be common knowledge

a. A cell phone goes off, either driver's or passenger's.
No, this is a myth and your cell phone will not cause a fire.
b. somebody shifts in the passanger seat and creates a spark.
To far away
c. the driver forgets or gets careless and sits down while fueling. When he gets back up, he's now charged with electricity again.
Not going to happen with the NOZZLE AND HOSE in the way
d. Any number of interior electronics, faulty or otherwise could possibly set it off, relays, lights,etc..
No, they are not close enough, by the time any vapors could reach any of these things they will be dissipated to safe levels.

3. Dripping/spilling fuel on the interior is a distinct possibility while either putting the nozzle in or taking it back out and that isn't good from a purely aesthetic viewpoint plus the odor.
Look at the shape of the jam, and minor dripping and spilling will not make it into the interior of the car.

I don't like the location, but its not going to turn the car into a fireball.

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countach711 (johngates@hotmail.com) MSG #556, 03-15-2010 11:04 AM
      #1. I believe most all fill up locations state to close the door when fueling, and also not to get in and out of the car because you can build up static electricity as I'm sure you already know.
Should be common knowledge - >>>Okay so you have no argument for this one, and it is the most dangerous one. There are a lot of Youtube videos showing static caused fires.

a. A cell phone goes off, either driver's or passenger's.
No, this is a myth and your cell phone will not cause a fire. >>> I admit it might be a myth, but here's a few links anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gct1BmKNvU0 I think this is an INDIRECT result of using a cell phone. He probably got a static charge by reaching in his pocket for the phone and not touching anything before the gas handle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfcZsML1pr0 this shows a cell phone igniting a fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPvd9atXS4 this one's an an obvious fake, but read the comment by pinheade6 at the bottom, doesn't sound fake to me.

the Myth Busters did a test and they could not get a cell to ignite a fire, but they only tried one phone, not all phones work or are made the same.

b. somebody shifts in the passanger seat and creates a spark.
To far away >>> Unless the driver takes the time to open the passenger door to create air flow (assuming there IS any wind) EVERY time he fills up, fumes could very easily accumulate in the interior

c. the driver forgets or gets careless and sits down while fueling. When he gets back up, he's now charged with electricity again.
Not going to happen with the NOZZLE AND HOSE in the way, >>> Are you going to tell me you've never smelled fumes when gassing up? Granted some times are worse or better than others, but it DOES happen.

d. Any number of interior electronics, faulty or otherwise could possibly set it off, relays, lights,etc..
No, they are not close enough, by the time any vapors could reach any of these things they will be dissipated to safe levels. >> Not true, again, with the pass door closed.

3. Dripping/spilling fuel on the interior is a distinct possibility while either putting the nozzle in or taking it back out and that isn't good from a purely aesthetic viewpoint plus the odor.
Look at the shape of the jam, and minor dripping and spilling will not make it into the interior of the car. >>>In a perfect world, you are right, but every time you're sure? What if he's in a hurry for some reason and pulls the nozzle out too quickly?

I don't like the location, but its not going to turn the car into a fireball. >>>I hope so as well, but more so I hope they just move it. I went out and checked my car for the front of the tank's location and studied the rear engine pics above and I think either suggestion I made is feasible. One unknown is the baffling inside the tank and what effect that might have on a front fill location.

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ArbinShire MSG #557, 03-15-2010 06:43 PM
      Who cares about the above, *I* wouldn't want the gas that close to the passenger compartment because I'm a klutz and would most probably spill it. Even if I didn't, the fumes will still have easy access to the passenger cabin.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #558, 03-15-2010 09:50 PM
      On a real Miura the fuel inlet is under one of the vents on the hood area of the front clip.



That inlet leads to a fuel tank mounted between the front wheels under the spare.



Since we have the A/c hardware, power brake booster, battery & a few other things mounted up front, we wanted to keep the Fiero fuel tank in this car.

Anyone who knows their way around a Fiero knows that the fuel tank is tall in the back & goes to a bluntly pointed nose.



To route a fill tube from the front grill area to the "tall" area of the gas tank, the tube would have to be routed thru the area above the lower part of the tank. That area currectly is occupied by the shifter right now. If you moved the shifter & other things to a different area & allowed say 4" of filler tube to be nearly vertical at the fill end. (so that the gas nozzle could be stuck into it) Then the rest of the tube running back to the "tall" end of the tank would be actually going up hill slightly. Now, if you want to talk about a fire hazard, that would be it.

We mocked up routing the fill tube to the nose of the tank with a 15 degree gravity feed to the tank. (see pics below) It this position the inlet end of the fuel pipe would have been 4" above the grill that it's supposed to be located under.





As for fumes inside the car. It just so happens that the Fiero gas cap is non-vented. So they'll be no fumes when the cap is on. If you yank out the fuel hose while it's still pumping, then you've got a problem no matter what you're driving. And if you do that very often, you'll have a hard time geting anyone to sit in your car while you're pumping gas. If you're inclined to spill fuel because you're in a hurry when filling it up, then I'd suggest you wipe it up just as you'd wipe it up when fueling a stock Fiero.

BTW...I've never seen a spark jump from a passenger moving his butt around on a leather seat.

With all the build threads we have on this forum & all the stuff we've built over the years, one would think that people would start to accept that before we make important decisions on how something is done, we actually think it thru.

Thanks

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #559, 03-15-2010 10:43 PM
      Tomorrow, the customer is coming in from Texas for a scheduled visit to lay hands the car & make plans for what else we need to do.

Archie


Sofa King MSG #560, 03-16-2010 07:34 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Tomorrow, the customer is coming in from Texas for a scheduled visit to lay hands the car & make plans for what else we need to do.

Archie


He's going to be thrilled!


countach711 (johngates@hotmail.com) MSG #561, 03-16-2010 12:12 PM
      Hi Archie,
I didn't want to start an argument, I am just trying to help. I realize you didn't ask for any, but I think a forum like this is the place for that sort of thing. I did acknowledge that you put a lot of thought into it, but when there's something this important it can't hurt to hear a few more ideas. I have seen tanks, dropped them and replaced pumps. While you've shown that the front filler really wouldn't work, you didn't respond to my suggestion to place it in the back. I'm curious why you wouldn't you do that? I'm sure that you are already planning to put struts on the louvers, so it would be fairly easy access. The only issue is whether there's a trunk that you could place it adjacent to, or build some sort of enclosure for it so that gas isn't spilled on a hot engine, which is obviously not a good situation either. BTW I would have not responded at all had this not been a safety, rather than design issue.
Thanks,
John

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RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #562, 03-18-2010 12:31 PM
      OK Archie you are holding out!! What did the owner have to say??? We need updates please.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #563, 03-19-2010 04:27 PM
      The customer came to town as scheduled & we all visited & had a good time.

We inspected the work so far & decided on what future work we needed to do to start finishing it up.

We had mounted most of the interior, the F&R bumpers, the bolt on emblems & a bunch of other stuff. Then we could get a good idea of what the finished car was going to look like.

We got him inside the car so we could check how it fit him & we could determine where we needed to mount the mirrors.

We didn't take too many pics but here are a few.









He really does know his way around these cars & it was real nice meeting him.

He did come up with an idea for lowering the seats even farther. So we dd that work & gained another inch of headroom.

Anyway, we now have a plan for getting it finished & back to him.

Archie


Sofa King MSG #564, 03-19-2010 10:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Archie


That's a happy face!


Jefrysuko MSG #565, 03-19-2010 11:29 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




Hey, that is my Uncle Fred!!!!!

Hey Uncle, About your will and that Muira.......



diabloscott (swoodard23@sbcglobal.net) MSG #566, 03-19-2010 11:29 PM
      I have the same spinners. The owner is one lucky guy. Cannot wait to see the car in paint and the glass installed.

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #567, 03-19-2010 11:49 PM
     

Archie of all the work you guys have done, this ranks up there as some of the most impressive,...especially with what you guys had to start with !


Sofa King MSG #568, 03-19-2010 11:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by diabloscott:

I have the same spinners. The owner is one lucky guy. Cannot wait to see the car in paint and the glass installed.





WHOA!!!! A C2 (62 style) Body on a C3 frame? Is this a kit?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #569, 03-20-2010 08:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Jefrysuko:


Hey, that is my Uncle Fred!!!!!

Hey Uncle, About your will and that Muira.......


Not so quick there sonny, He said you'd be trying to make claims....... He said to ignore you.

A


Tony Kania MSG #570, 03-21-2010 10:05 AM
      I agree, a very happy owner! I will always salivate over the Miura.

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #571, 03-21-2010 12:23 PM
      Great to see the owner as happy with his car as we all are


katatak MSG #572, 03-22-2010 08:22 PM
      Glad to see the owner is happy! I am very sad as I know that the end of this thread is near. I am going to miss my daily visit to this thread. I can't wait to see what comes out of Archie's shop next. This one will be tough to top but Archie and crew have what it takes to do it. Thanks Archie for sharing all this excellent work. A lot of us have learned a great deal from this thread.

Pat



fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #573, 03-22-2010 11:36 PM
     

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #574, 03-27-2010 11:34 PM
      Well how about a little update on the car.

Since the last update, we've taken the interior back out of the car. We also took the metal inside door framework & sent them out for Powdercoating.

I've meda a list of all the items we need to finish the car & all the things we need to do yet..... When we finish something we check it off, when think of something that's not on the list we add it to the list.

All of the parts we need to finish the LS3 6 speed are here & we're working on installing them.

We've finished the plywood pattern for the rear window, I'll drop it off to get an actual window made next week.

Friday, Rob got a lot of the wiring done on the engine & a lot will be going on this next week.

We are pushing to try to get the engine all hooked up & the exhuast on it & try to fire it up by the end of next week.

I expect that I'll be updating this thread everyday next week. By the end of the week I hope to be posting up a U-Tube video of the first starting of the engine.



Rob working on routing the harness.



These harnesses are designed for front engine rear wheel drive cars. So some of the wires need to be re-routed so that it looks good when we're done.



Most of those wires are laying down out of the way in this pic. The electronic gas pedal has been mounted & the ECM will be in the original Fiero location & all the wires from the LS3 harness that needed to be in the interior have been run thru the bulkhead.



We still have to mount the fuse/relay panel, then it'll be time to work what is left of the Fiero harness into this.



Archie


skuzzbomer MSG #575, 03-28-2010 06:30 PM
      I just had an insane thought streak across my mind.... 180 degree headers.

I understand how much room a proper setup like that takes, but I think the sound would be so worth it - especially considering the lengths you've gone already - to make this a brilliant car. Maybe I'm nuts (don't tell me if I am - I'm enjoying myself too much ).

Either way


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #576, 03-31-2010 06:05 PM
      Fire in the hole.

LS3 Miura comes to life.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #577, 03-31-2010 09:06 PM
      We've spend all of this week so far hooking up the wiring, cooling system, finishing up the fuel fill, building the exhaust & a few other things for the LS3.

Today, just before 5pm, we fired up the engine for the 1st time.

It fired right up & I got video of it.

However, You Tube is out of service right now, so the video will have to wait.

For now, you can look at a picture of Rob & Kris taken right after we started it up.



I'll post the video up as soon as I can.

Archie


aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #578, 03-31-2010 09:23 PM
      *eagerly awaits the video*

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #579, 03-31-2010 10:00 PM
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PtOpFNAMf4

Next video will be some test driving.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #580, 04-01-2010 08:29 PM
      1st. Test drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VjNewcXMo


Archie


Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #581, 04-01-2010 09:05 PM
      It's almost getting to be an LS3 assembly line up there! Great work!

Jim


katatak MSG #582, 04-03-2010 10:47 PM
      Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel yet?

Pat



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #583, 04-04-2010 09:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We've spend all of this week so far hooking up the wiring, cooling system, finishing up the fuel fill, building the exhaust & a few other things for the LS3.

Today, just before 5pm, we fired up the engine for the 1st time.

It fired right up & I got video of it.

However, You Tube is out of service right now, so the video will have to wait.

For now, you can look at a picture of Rob & Kris taken right after we started it up.



I'll post the video up as soon as I can.

Archie



Looking great Archie
What did you do to Kris? punch him in the nose? LOL



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #584, 04-04-2010 11:22 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:
Looking great Archie
What did you do to Kris? punch him in the nose? LOL


Dunno, he said something about a tree, a dirt bike & the fact that the dirt bike, with the help of a tree, will stop on a nose.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #585, 04-04-2010 11:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by katatak:

Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel yet?

Pat


YES, the light it a lot brighter after all the stuff we got done last week.

We got all of the driveline in the car this week. It still needs some detailing & a bunch of test driving but the driving will have to wait 'til we get a bunch of smaller things done.

We still have to do the wiring for everything in the interior & all the lights. We've already started wiring up the gages.

We also need to find & mount some struts to aid in opening the front & rear clips. We have to build some wheel well liners to cover a few open areas under the car. We've got to undercoat/insulate the underside of the body with some lizard skin. Mount the mirrors & screens. We have to make some slats to copver the 2 openings in the hood, make a shroud for the radiator, hook up all the door & window hardware we made. We have to modify the seats to try to get them a little lower in the car. We have to make some adapters to mount the spinners to the wheels. We have to mount the exhaust tips we picked out & send the exhaust system out for ceramic coating. I already have the rear window made for the car & we have to mount it. We don't have any OEM windshield rubber , so one of the big things we have to do is mount the windshield.

So it still looks like we have a lot to do but we can see the light.

Archie

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whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #586, 04-05-2010 10:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Dunno, he said something about a tree, a dirt bike & the fact that the dirt bike, with the help of a tree, will stop on a nose.

Archie


LMAO! not recomended. glad he is ok now tell him to get back to work on this car we want to see it done
I can not tell you how much I like this car, one of my all time favorite Lambo's.
D.


Theo_nr1 (theo_nr1@yahoo.com) MSG #587, 04-27-2010 06:21 PM
      LOOKING GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wasn't here in a long time, now it's almost finished GREAT !!

hm any idea if there are Fiero V8 conversions running in Netherlands ??
Fiero is a good option to built the Miura on.

Regards, Theo


clouder (ansarcloud@aol.com) MSG #588, 04-29-2010 02:33 PM
      Archie,

I agree with Theo, a V8 powered, fiero based Miura would be very desirable in Europe, it's a shame you guys aren't going to market it as a kit.

Anyway keep up the good work- waiting desperately for your next installment!

Clouder



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #589, 05-02-2010 11:15 PM
      Time for an update...

We spent several days wiring the car to make all the light, instruments, A/C systems operational.

We did a final fit of the exhaust & fitted the tips. The exhaust aill be going out for a Black ceramic coating before final install.







It would be too visible if it was silver.





I'm also working on the strakes for the hood grills, I'll show you that project soon.

We've got the antenna mounted....



Here the exhaust system has been reinstalled after ceramic coating...



Wiring on the interior continued. Here's the overhead console with all the switches hooked up.



Also wiring stuff up behind dash..... all gages, overhead console, front & rear clips will have plug inson their wiring so they can be removed for servicing if needed.



Final prep on headlights....











The rear window has been made & installed.



.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #590, 05-03-2010 12:26 AM
      We had to mess around to find struts that we could use to help lift the front & rear clips & figure out where we could mount them so they wouldn't be too strong or too weak.

Here are the gas struts mounting on the rear clip.





The underside of the front clip was pretty rough. We are putting on Lizardskin, so we wanted it to look good so we did some sanding & filling to make the surface a little smoother.





Here we're working on connecting the inside door release handle.



The door release handle is on the inside of the window while the bearclaw latch is on the outside of the window. So we needed to use a cable operated setup.





No one makes a cable for this job, so we had to find one that would work & be durable. We ended up buying 2 Lokar Throttle cables & making mountings to make them work.











After the bodywork on the inside of the front clip....





Spraying on the Lizardskin. This stuff is really thick & you have to buy the spray gun kit from the supplier. You'll never put it on with a normal spray system.









We also needed to make some adapters so we could mount the spinners to the wheels & still make it so we couls still get the lugnuts on & off.

Starting with a chunk of 6061



And an old lathe













We also worked on putting Lizardskin inside the trunk, inside the deck lid & on the underside of the rear clip.....













We have the inner wheel wells glassed into the front & rear clips. However, they done't cover everything. So Kris is working on closing off the open areas.





These will be removable if needed for service.







Archie


Sofa King MSG #591, 05-03-2010 08:38 AM
      WOW! Great progress! The "knock offs" look fantastic! Can't wait to see the interior finally come together.

Keep up the amazing work!


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #592, 05-04-2010 08:25 PM
      Nice work as always guys I can't wait to come up for the Dells and stop by so I can see this car in person.
D.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #593, 05-07-2010 10:04 PM
      Gonna try to bring this thread up to date tonight.....

During the last few weeks we've been working in a lot of areas of this car.

My post a few days ago talked about a few of them.

This post is about making the grills on the top of the front clip.

In making the grills for the top of the nose, there are several things to consider..

The back line of the openings are straight & the 2 pins that hold the grills together are parallel to the back line of the opening.

The front line of the opening is at an angle to the back line & is slightly curved.

The breakout line near the front of the slats is parallel to the front line of the opening.

This is what we're trying to duplicate....









We made these out of 1/8" x 1.5" 6061 aluninium bar stock. We needed 27 slats for each side & no 2 of them are exactly the same shape so a CNC made part was out of the question. It would be imposible to make them one at a time so I made them in a block of 27 at a time. Because different features of each part are based on different locations on the part, I needed to use 2 sets of locating (tooling holes). One set of the holes are also going to be the holes that hold them together when assembled. Those holes are the holes we will machine the back end of the parts from. The 2nd set of holes are off the part (will be cut off before the parts are finished) & will be used for cutting all shape of the front of the part & the location of the breakout on the top of the part. There will be one shift of the parts to make the front end of the parts follow the curve of the front line of the opening in the front clip.

The tooling I have for mt Bridgeport is limitedl so this is how I had to do them.























.........


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #594, 05-07-2010 10:18 PM
     

1st test fit, notice the tooling tab still sticking up.







These are put together will threaded rod using .437" aluminium spacers that the customer found on the internet.







Because the surface of the fiberglass, in the windows where these will mount, is uneven, we made mounting pads for the corners of each grill.







When mounted they look pretty good.....













Next week these grills will go out for a Satin black powdercoating.

Archie


Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #595, 05-07-2010 10:49 PM
      Nicely done!

Jim


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #596, 05-07-2010 10:52 PM
      More stuff that we've been up to.....

At some point after re-assembling the headlight, we noticed that one of the old plastic headlight coversm had a crac in it.





I looked all over the Internet & couldn't find a replacement lense. So we decided to make our own. We used the old cover to make a mold & with body filler & sanding, Rob & Kris came up with this ....



With heat they tried to get the plastic to lkay down in the fixture. it was ok, but to get the plastic to lay down into the form they added a vacuum feature to the form.







Then the question was what to use to create a vacuum...



A hose....



& a Fiero power brake booster hose.....



Good thing it was a high performance V-8 Fiero because the vacuum sucked the vacuum right down into the form.

The cover turned out so nice we made several of them....











Archie



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #597, 05-07-2010 11:33 PM
      Even more stuff finished this week.....

Earlier in this trhread we showed the seats for the car. they are theplastic racing seats that you can buy from several suppliers. We trial fitted them and build a mounting system for them & the customer had them upholstered.

When he was here several weeks agoto check the car out, we had him try the seats on for size. It was decided to try to modify the seats & mounting system even farther to maximize the headroom.



Rather than experiment with the seats that had already been upholstered, we bought another plastic seat to experiment with.

This week Kris got a chance to do that.





And he made a new mounting plate that would use the same sliders that we had originally used...









We trial fitted it & it looked like we had gained about another 3/4". Once the mods were approved by the customer, we finialized the mounts & they looked like this before painting...





Then we set out to modify the good seats.





Then with the painted mounts on them....







You can compare the seat location in this picture to the 1st pic in this post.



Archie


katatak MSG #598, 05-07-2010 11:53 PM
      This is a great pic - a Miura - made in America!



Pat

P.S. I love the enginuity and skill that you and your guys show us with every post. The headlight cover is brilliant! If you can't find it, build it - no matter what it is. Absoulutely amazing Archie!

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #599, 05-08-2010 12:01 AM
      We also have been working on a few other things.....

Billit Aluminium mounts for the front clip struts.





Final sanding, primer & installation of the rear louvers...







Mounting of the outside mirrors...







The mounts for the rear clip struts have been powdercoated....







Insulation installed in the trunk area.



Upholster is done on the panel behind the seats...





There we go, finally caught up.

Archie


motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #600, 05-08-2010 11:10 AM
      Nice work Archie.

Joe


skuzzbomer MSG #601, 05-09-2010 01:18 AM
      The details.... amazing.

[edit: how about that?]

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #602, 05-09-2010 02:01 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




Next week these grills will go out for a Satin black powdercoating.

Archie


The aluminum vents are beyond belief! Excellent job.


jeffdavison (jeffdavison@comcast.net) MSG #603, 05-09-2010 10:30 AM
      FANTASTIC BUILD!!!

Just wanted to let you in on some parts, since you are doing the inner door panels.

The original Miura inner door handles and trim (known as "spoons") were a common part that were also used in the Fiat 850 Spider. They were also used for the Lancia Stratos, Currently I am building a Stratos replica. I have acquired a few sets for my build. They are relatively inexpensive. The "Spoons" are made from Stainless Steel.

I'd post some pics, but I haven't got the hang of this forum yet as this is my first post. If you want some pics, drop me a pm or email.

Many Italian cars shared common parts.... also the headlamps and clear covers are also from an early Fiat 850 spider as well as the tail lamps. It appears you used Fiat X1/9 tail lamps, close, but no cigar... sorry. Nice tho, but if authenticity is the goal, and you are taking the time for accuracy, the 850 Spider tail lamps are the ones to use, They can be found and fairly cheap too. Good to know when you're scouting for parts to avoid the "Genuine Lamborghini Miura" price premium that people tack on.

also..... it looks like you are doing the entire project from scratch.... man, I only hope that you may offer a "kit" some day!

Jeff Davisonm

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fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #604, 05-10-2010 07:27 PM
      eyelashes or no eyelashes ?

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kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #605, 05-11-2010 01:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jeffdavison:

FANTASTIC BUILD!!!
also..... it looks like you are doing the entire project from scratch.... man, I only hope that you may offer a "kit" some day!

Jeff Davisonm



Damn Archie,

Just the thought that there can be (would be?) a kit available, would sent this Forum wild! Is this possible?

Cordially,
Kevin



Tony Kania MSG #606, 05-11-2010 03:27 PM
      Archie and crew... The aluminum grill design that you came up with would be considered artwork in my household.

JeffDavison... 1st post, and you are already helping out the community.


Sofa King MSG #607, 05-12-2010 11:09 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

eyelashes or no eyelashes ?





Eyelashes - DEFINATELY!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #608, 05-12-2010 12:38 PM
      Nope, the SV model doesn't have the eyelashes.

infinitewill MSG #609, 05-12-2010 12:41 PM
      Archie,

You get to have way too much fun at your day gig.

\/\/


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #610, 05-15-2010 11:31 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jeffdavison:

FANTASTIC BUILD!!!

Just wanted to let you in on some parts, since you are doing the inner door panels.

The original Miura inner door handles and trim (known as "spoons") were a common part that were also used in the Fiat 850 Spider. They were also used for the Lancia Stratos, Currently I am building a Stratos replica. I have acquired a few sets for my build. They are relatively inexpensive. The "Spoons" are made from Stainless Steel.

I'd post some pics, but I haven't got the hang of this forum yet as this is my first post. If you want some pics, drop me a pm or email.

Many Italian cars shared common parts.... also the headlamps and clear covers are also from an early Fiat 850 spider as well as the tail lamps. It appears you used Fiat X1/9 tail lamps, close, but no cigar... sorry. Nice tho, but if authenticity is the goal, and you are taking the time for accuracy, the 850 Spider tail lamps are the ones to use, They can be found and fairly cheap too. Good to know when you're scouting for parts to avoid the "Genuine Lamborghini Miura" price premium that people tack on.

also..... it looks like you are doing the entire project from scratch.... man, I only hope that you may offer a "kit" some day!

Jeff Davisonm



Welcome to the forum.

We have been aware of several of the Miura parts coming from the Fiat. The headlights we are using are from the 850 Spyder & we converted them to pop up.

Appreciate the info on the interior release handles. Wish you had been here a couple of months ago, when we were looking for handles that looked right & would fit in the limited area we had to work with. However, at this point we are well past the point where we can re-do that feature. The door panels have been built & upholstered already.



We know what you mean when you say that OEM parts are expensive. A single tail light assembly is on EBay right now for $2500.00.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item5887a326a8

That makes these light look pretty good.


I've been a Pro-Rally fan since the early '70's & I've always loved the Stratos. A guy who I used to Rally with bought a Stratos kit out of the U.K. many years ago. AFAIK, he still hasn't started building it yet.

I know that your Stratos kit is not built on the Fiero chassis & thus would be off topic on this forum but I'd love to see any pics or build info that you might have. Maybe you have a build thread or web site on your car.

As for a "kit" for this car, We're not going to be building a kit for this car.

If you go back & check out the body "kit" we put on this car, you'll see that all we got was the body panels & they weren't complete. The panels were of very poor quality & everyone of them needed extensive work to make them fit. There was no metal with this "kit" no instruction, no pictures of build details, no hinges, no windows, NOTHING!!!!.

When I build a "Kit", I believe in making it a complete kit that has all the parts, detailed instructions & all details on all the parts needed to put it together. It would have cost a fortune to develope molds & jigs for all of the parts we've had to make or modify to offer a complete kit. Then we'd need to build a 2nd car to prove out all the parts that we'd be selling with the "kit".

I did all this back when I built my GT40. (there is a build thread someplace on this Forum) I developed all of the tooling & all of the parts to make an accurate GT40 replica that would fit on a Fiero chassis. Spent a lot of $$$$ on tooling & building. While everyone loved the car & it even made the cover of one of the Kit Car magazines, I haven't sold one of the kits yet. All that money invested, no ROI.



I'm not going to live long enough to realize a return on the investment it would take to do a Miura kit.

Thanks

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #611, 05-20-2010 10:58 AM
      Just a few updates since the last update.

We got the front bumper finished off & mounted.







We built a removable front plate mount & a scoop under the rad to scoop air into it & keep air from going around the radiator.











These parts & the hood grills are out for Powdercoating right now.

We also made a pair of small panels to close off the only open area of the front wheels wells.





We are waiting on the molding I ordered for the windshiel mounting & dor exterior door releases I ordered about 2 weeks ago. Then we can install the windshield & put the interior together.

That & setting up the windshield wipers & we'll be getting very close.

Archei




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #612, 05-22-2010 07:34 AM
      We got the grills for the top of the front clip back from the powdercoated 7 installed.

I gotta say, they are going to be one of the highlights of this car & they look great.















Archie


Doni Hagan MSG #613, 05-22-2010 12:24 PM
      Archie...

I've always been in love with the Lambo Espada. Just curious...what would be some of the considerations related to a possible body swap (beyond the obvious like engine location?)

By the way, I just logged onto this thread and your work is absolutely amazing! Beautiful!!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #614, 05-26-2010 03:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

We got the grills for the top of the front clip back from the powdercoated 7 installed.

I gotta say, they are going to be one of the highlights of this car & they look great.



Archie


Those would look great if they were made to the shape of the GT fastback deck vents.


jb1 (james.brown.20107@gmail.com) MSG #615, 05-26-2010 06:00 PM
      Awesome build. A very talented crew !!



MotorTV (motortv@hotmail.com) MSG #616, 05-26-2010 11:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Those would look great if they were made to the shape of the GT fastback deck vents.


Hmmm , Just might steel that idea for something similar... :-)
Chuck


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #617, 05-27-2010 07:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MotorTV:


Hmmm , Just might steel that idea for something similar... :-)
Chuck


hehe, come on over & I'll show you how to crank a Bridgeport....

lolololololol

Archie

< just kidding, Chuck is one of the best machinests I know >



Tony Kania MSG #618, 05-27-2010 01:05 PM
      After reading how your team created the vents, you guys get yet another Beautiful!

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #619, 05-27-2010 01:19 PM
      A little update......

While we've been waiting on some windshield molding & waiting for the exterior door releases, we've been working on a few odds & ends.

You'll recall in the front compartment, we built a tray & floor to mount the battery into & seal off the compartment from the road.



I felt that to make this compartment as usable as we can, we needed a battery cover that closed off that area & yet was removable without using any tools.

Rob & Kris are very good at maing almost anything we need. So after establishing the criteria, Rob made this cover. It has walls that stick down into the battery tray to keep it in place.

These pics were taken before painting it because after paint it will be hard to see it clearly in pics.











We also made up a mounting for the windshield washer tank



We went to the boneyard & found a radiator overflow tank that would fit in the little space we had to work with & mounted that.



And we found some squirters for the windshield wipers. A long time ago we setup the windshield wiper motor & mechanics using a wiper system for a hot rod & got that all hooked up to the Fiero wiper control on the column. However, when installing the washer system this week, we had to rewire part of the steering column to make it work.



AND Finally, yesterday we got the windshield mounted.





The windshield installers still have to come back next week to install some "T" molding that they had to get.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #620, 05-27-2010 01:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

A little update......

While we've been waiting on some windshield molding & waiting for the exterior door releases, we've been working on a few odds & ends.

You'll recall in the front compartment, we built a tray & floor to mount the battery into & seal off the compartment from the road.



I felt that to make this compartment as usable as we can, we needed a battery cover that closed off that area & yet was removable without using any tools.

Rob & Kris are very good at maing almost anything we need. So after establishing the criteria, Rob made this cover. It has walls that stick down into the battery tray to keep it in place.

These pics were taken before painting it because after paint it will be hard to see it clearly in pics.











Archie


I like that.


RUNDLC (hmdznrcld@comcast.net) MSG #621, 05-27-2010 03:40 PM
      No paint prior to installing the windshield for the last time? Car is simply a work of art. The owner should be giddy.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #622, 05-28-2010 02:26 PM
      We've only got a few people involved in this build here at the shop & including the owner. But, we're having a problem finding a part that will do a job we are trying to do to finish that car up.

I figure that with all the people who are following this thread maybe one of them might be familliar with a part that we can get & use.

So, if you can give us some input on a part that might do this job.

So here it is.....

For the last several weeks we've ben looking for a pair of exterior door lock/releases that will fit in the limited area we have to work with.

On a stock Miura, they have locking door buttons that are placed between 2 of the slats at the rear of the door....







The button in the above pics is square but a round button would be fine. We just need to find a button that can be locked with a key. Our intent is to have it activate an electrical button to pop the door open because there's just not room enough room to connect it with rods & levers to the bear claw door release.

The ideal button we want would be similar to this but it would be shorter with some kind of way to activate a button or switch on the business end of the button. It would need to be ket locked in a self contained lock cylinder & housing. And it would mount horizontally like this



This unit has a 1.1" Outside Diameter with a button what is 7/8" in dia.





However, we can't use this lock because it is too long. The O.A.L. is 1.9". Plus we would have to put some kind of rod in it to be able to use it to activate some kind of switch. (Like the drill bit in this pic)





We did find this button from a Trailblazer hatch release....



It's an electric switch, which is ok & the length (at 1.7" would just barely fit)



However, the exterior collar around the button, at 1.5", is too large in dia.



That Diameter will not fit between the slats which are about 1.1" apart.

One year of the Gen 3 'Vettes had a seperate button but the body of the cylinder behind the surface of the body is too large & would not clear the window that has to go up & down thru that area.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Archie

Edited to add......

I also should mention that we also have considered using the Fiero "T" top locks.

However, on those locks, they lock in the button IN position & not in the button OUT position.

unLocked position



unLocked position



Locked position



We are considering modifying a pair of them to use in this application.

Archie

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328 mera (otiswicock@gmail.com) MSG #623, 05-28-2010 05:25 PM
      Wonderful job!

The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #624, 05-28-2010 06:58 PM
      Hey Archie...

How bout a visit to a motorcycle bone yard or honda or harley dealership... I'm sure you'll be able to track down some sort of saddle bag or seat lock that's small enough to work and operates like you need.


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #625, 05-28-2010 07:37 PM
      Archie here are what you need
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item3a4ab92737



The Aura (cikonen@uwinnipeg.ca) MSG #626, 05-28-2010 08:03 PM
      Wow Nice!

Is that one of the fiat parts the original miuras used?


Squeaky (jaysonstevenson@live.com) MSG #627, 05-28-2010 11:15 PM
      WOW!!! Great find, those'd look like they'd do the trick. Props to Archie for remaining true to the original Miura's, but even more so to the owners wishes. The BEST builders are those who welcome the owners involvment colaborate effectively with them so the end result is a perfect display of the what the owner's wanted and just how well the builder delivered. I dunno anything about the customer in this build (Other than he's one lucky guy), I think he's gonna need a labotomy if it's blowing his mind anything like the way it's blowing the minds of the people following this build!!!!

I was curious, do you use a sprayer for applying the glass like those used for glassing jacuzzi shells?

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #628, 05-29-2010 11:41 AM
      I knew several people had knowledge that could resolve my problem.

Thanks for all the info guys, keep it coming.

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #629, 05-29-2010 01:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by The Aura:

Wow Nice!

Is that one of the fiat parts the original miuras used?


yes it is most small parts where from the fiat


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #630, 05-29-2010 02:37 PM
      I can't wait, Thursday morning I will get to see this one in person.
see you soon Archie.
D.


Gokart Mozart MSG #631, 05-29-2010 03:10 PM
      http://luptons.com/Hardware.asp might have what you need

skuzzbomer MSG #632, 05-29-2010 03:17 PM
      Also... PT cruiser drivers door lock, Hyundai Elantra/sonata rear trunklid lock. I've noticed a couple of other small locks that might fit the bill in the last couple days as well.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #633, 05-29-2010 03:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by whodeanie:

I can't wait, Thursday morning I will get to see this one in person.
see you soon Archie.
D.


Yes, looking fwd to your visit.

However, you won't be the only one seeing it next weekend.

The owner of it thinks that it would be fitting for Rob & Kris to get some recognition for building it. So, whie it won't be 100% finished, we'll be bring it to the Dells next weekend.

Archie




motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #634, 05-29-2010 10:12 PM
      Archie, if I remember right, the Suzuki Samuri had a fairly small button for a door latch with a key in it.

Joe

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Pete Matos MSG #635, 05-30-2010 01:50 AM
      Have had several suzuki samurais and there is no button I can remember. Just a plastic handle much like any other truck that was kinda prone to breakage. The inside pulls were plastic as well. Someone made an aluminum set that I used in replacement.... just a thought..... you said that you were gonna use remote releases, why not just hide a very small button and use a fully electronic system that can arm the buttons only when you want them armed? That way you can hide the buttons anywhere that is hidden. Unless of course you just want to make it look exactly like the original cars mechanical setup.... I used to have a friend with a v8 s10 blazer that was totally custom and it had electronic doors. Pretty cool and nearly unpickable... peace OH btw, that is a masterwork of a replica you built there, you should be very proud of it. The Miura is one of my favorite classic exotics... peace



whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #636, 05-30-2010 08:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Yes, looking fwd to your visit.

However, you won't be the only one seeing it next weekend.

The owner of it thinks that it would be fitting for Rob & Kris to get some recognition for building it. So, whie it won't be 100% finished, we'll be bring it to the Dells next weekend.

Archie



Great, even better, Rob and Chris deserve it
D.


PaulJK MSG #637, 06-02-2010 05:50 AM
      archie pm sent. Hope this helps.





25thCountach (nautilusbuilder@aol.com) MSG #638, 06-02-2010 07:03 AM
      the very old Fiat 124 uses that kind of door button, the same as the Countach...makes perfect sense if ya think about it, the Countach being Muiras' sister...I believe this is what you want for oem


Will


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #639, 06-02-2010 09:55 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

Archie here are what you need
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item3a4ab92737



I have a set of these ordered.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Archie


bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #640, 06-02-2010 10:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I have a set of these ordered.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Archie


nice to see you went with originals they will bring out the look needed on the doors


25thCountach (nautilusbuilder@aol.com) MSG #641, 06-02-2010 11:14 PM
      those do look great, but they aren't originals...Originals, the button is angled, just found this out today..I was wrong too...who knew lol




Will

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #642, 06-03-2010 05:09 PM
      here is a shot of the cutoput the button goes in


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #643, 06-03-2010 08:31 PM
      So since the last update, we've been working on finishing up the details.

The 1st 2 galons of Lizardskin were used up the last time we talked about that. We had to get more to do the wheel wells & a few other parts.







We installed the poppers on the doors (in process pic)...



With the front & rear clips off to do the lizardskin, we did come cleaning & installed the breathers & coil covers.













Then it was time for the FUN stuff........

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #644, 06-03-2010 08:44 PM
      Putting the interior together.....









We got the side windows in & operating & sealing...









See you at the Dells

Archie

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bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #645, 06-03-2010 09:34 PM
      Archie

OK your missing the grab handle on the passenger side of the console across from the shifter

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Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #646, 06-06-2010 05:15 PM
     













Archie

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Tony Kania MSG #647, 06-06-2010 05:21 PM
      Drip. Drip....

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #648, 06-06-2010 05:31 PM
      Yes, there was just a little bit of rain late in the day.

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Drip. Drip....

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motoracer838 (jmartin@musicunveiled.com) MSG #649, 06-06-2010 06:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Yes, there was just a little bit of rain late in the day.

Archie




I've gotta think it was raining all day. We are going to miss this project, please update the thread when the owner gets the paint done!!!

Now for the $64,000,000.00 dollar question, how do you top this???

Cheers Beers n Gearz. Joe


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #650, 06-06-2010 07:31 PM
      You mean the owner didn't attend the show?

kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #651, 06-06-2010 07:33 PM
      Archie, you are a true legend!

Cordially,
Kevin


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #652, 06-07-2010 09:05 PM
      Amazing build, Archie (and crew). It's been a pleasure following it.

You do realize you will have to change the title of the thread to "The Muira project - start to finish".

Bob


Sofa King MSG #653, 06-08-2010 05:11 PM
      The interior? WOW... I just slipped on my drool...

whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #654, 06-08-2010 09:39 PM
      this car is even better in person. we got to Archies thursday am and got to help out a little on this car.
my hat is off to all of you, Archie, Rob and Chris
it was great to see all of you again. I look forward to my next visit.
D.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #655, 06-14-2010 09:24 PM
      We're back to working on the odds & ends we got to do.

The biggest thing is the door locks.

The ones we ordered on EBay (the expensive ones) did come in. As anyone who's built a car like this can tell you, many times using original parts is not as easy as some would think.

Here's what we've got so far......

On the new locks, we were hoping that pushing in the button was going to move the lever on the side of the lock up & down.



But, instead, pushing in the button extends the rod out the back of the lock.



We were also hoping that the lock it'self was internally locking. In other words we were hoping that when the key was straight up & down (unlocked) the button would push in & it does that. BUT, it pushes in no matter what position the key is turned. We were hoping that when the key was turned horizontal that it would lock the button so it wouldn't push in...... NOT the case.



As it turns out, on the real carturning the key moves the lever on the side of the button assembly. The action moves a tie rod that connects to another device ..... see part numbers 4126483 & 4180040 on the top of this page http://www.miuraworkshop.com/tavdoordetails.html_ (http://www.miuraworkshop.com/tavdoordetails.html) The actual locking takes place in that device & locks a lever sticking up from it. This lever extends up behind the buttons we have & prevents the button from being pushed in when this device (4180040) is locked.

As you may recall, doors on cars back in the '50's & '60's did not lock from the inside. This means that even if you had it locked from the inside, it would still unlock & open when you pulled the inside door release lever. This function is accomplished on these buttons, when you turn the key to lock the lever in the 4180040 device & you remove the key. In these pics you can see that the lever is free to move up & down without the lock cylinder (key) being turned. You see that once you've locked the door with the key, the actual locking is in the 4180040 device. So if you have the locks engaged then the action of opening the door from the
inside turns the key slot vertical (if it's not already there).





This is what we are thinking now.....We are going to have to convert these button assemblies to electronic use with the pushing in action of the button activating a micro switch to pop the door open & as a locking device, we are planning to use a toggle switch that will be activated on & off by the lever on the side of the button. The toggle switch will turn on & off the power to the micro switch.

These pics of the fitting of the button as of the EOD Friday. We have to keep the lock assy. as far back in the door as we can so that it clears the back edge of the window as it goes up & down.





This one is looking down into the window channel with the window & dew wipes removed.



These buttons will have to activate a micro switch to open the door electronically. And we will have to connect the locking lever on the side to a toggle switch to turn off & on the power to the micro switch. Today, we figured out how exactly we were going to do that.

The micro switch (top) & the toggle switch (bottom) mounted to the inside of the door. The door panel will fit over these.



The micro switch looks like this & the lever is routed inside the window channel to reach the tip that extends out from the button.



Looking inside the window channel, hopefully you can see the workings......





Archie





Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #656, 06-19-2010 11:40 AM
      update....

1st to take care of old business....

Someone pointed out that I hadn't posted any pics of the gages installed in the car. So I took these...





This week, we finished the lock assemblies & assembled the doors for the LAST time.

The finished lock assemblies are looking pretty good & work great.









We put Lizardskin on the insides of the doors & went on to assemble the doors. Here we've installed the outside dew wipe, the inside dew wipe & the bracket that is the mount for the top of the window assembly mount plate.



This inside window mounting plate carries the inside door handle, power window operating assembly & the window.



As we've been final installing all the items on this car, I also been shooting video of the assembly process. I'll be editing the video into what I call the Owners Video. I do this on almost all of the extreme builds & give a copy to the cars' owner. That way, if something needs to be services down the road, the video will help to tell the person working on the car how to take it apart & put it back together.

Rob & Kris did an excellent job of executing our concept of how we intended to get everything inside the doors & making it all work & yet be easy to service. We are very proud of how we did the doors with all the stuff inside of them & we documented all of it for future reference in the Owners Video.

After installing all of the hardware inside the doors, we installed the door panels.







On another note, during the initial driving of the car, we felt that the original front coil overs needed to be stiffened up a bit. So we changed the springs from 300# to 350#.





Archie

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madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #657, 06-19-2010 12:14 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

update....

1st to take care of old business....

Someone pointed out that I hadn't posted any pics of the gages installed in the car. So I took these...




Archie



Gotta love those gauges and dash. What are the various functions for the lights--like the one between the speed and tech cluster and the ones below the center gauges?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #658, 06-19-2010 07:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Gotta love those gauges and dash. What are the various functions for the lights--like the one between the speed and tech cluster and the ones below the center gauges?


Between the speed and tach is the turn signal indicater. Back in the olden days many cars had only one indicater. We had to wire in 2 relays to isolate the 2 Fiero indicater signals to use only one indicater.

Under the six pack of gages, we have from Left to Right...

Green - Parking lights on indicater
Blue - Bright light indicater
Amber - Check Engine Light
Red - Handbrake indicater light
Red - Engine overheat light.

Archie


pavo_roddy MSG #659, 06-19-2010 08:53 PM
      HI all

What is the Lizard Skin for, on the body panels? A true great treat, that u share these build threads with us Archie!



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #660, 06-19-2010 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by pavo_roddy:

HI all

What is the Lizard Skin for, on the body panels? A true great treat, that u share these build threads with us Archie!



Thanks

The Lizardskin is a thick spray on sound deadener. http://www.lizardskin.com/pages/sound_control.php

Archie


VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #661, 06-20-2010 04:00 AM
      I'm loving the build!.

Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #662, 06-20-2010 04:30 PM
     

is that an overhead console? If so, could you post some more pictures of it?


25thCountach (nautilusbuilder@aol.com) MSG #663, 06-21-2010 05:21 AM
      boy this is a great build of a classic.... looks like the door buttons are spot on, good call....

Will


Hockaday MSG #664, 06-21-2010 06:35 AM
      love the interior...would be great to retrofit it to a standard fiero

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #665, 06-21-2010 11:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Erik:

is that an overhead console? If so, could you post some more pictures of it?


Yes it is.





Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #666, 06-21-2010 03:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Yes it is.





thanks! That is really cool would it fit a stock Fiero?



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #667, 06-21-2010 07:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Erik:


thanks! That is really cool would it fit a stock Fiero?


No, I'm sorry, nothing in the interior of this car except the steering column & the turn signal switch would fit in a stock Fiero.

Archie


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #668, 06-22-2010 01:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Yes it is.






What's the function of the metal rectangular item on the upper console?


fourpoint9 (stevenmsimpson@comcast.net) MSG #669, 06-22-2010 01:24 PM
      Looks like a Dome light

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #670, 06-22-2010 03:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fourpoint9:

Looks like a Dome light


Like he said.


carbon MSG #671, 06-22-2010 03:34 PM
      Shop lighting does not do that interior justice... the interior really is beautiful...


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #672, 06-22-2010 09:36 PM
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSGVG6Mye-M

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California Kid MSG #673, 06-22-2010 10:41 PM
      Beautiful Car in a exotic way ! The white dash looks great, but if it were me, I'd figure a way to change the horizontal surfaces of the dash to satin type black so it wouldn't glare on the windshield.

ClayTonto (acecwilson@yahoo.com) MSG #674, 06-26-2010 08:44 PM
      The lock solution turned out great. Had it of been my car, I would have had you skip it or just put non functional locks for looks and door poppers.
High praise for oustanding work in the tedious areas.



madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #675, 06-26-2010 10:34 PM
     

Nice video, but somethings wrong with the audio.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #676, 06-26-2010 11:20 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Nice video, but somethings wrong with the audio.


The sound on my camera works just fine inside when I'm recording video instructions.

Outside, the internal Mic picks up wind noise depending on which direction the camera is pointing.

Life sucks but it's the best I got.

Archie


Fiero_Adam MSG #677, 07-02-2010 08:32 PM
      I will admit that I was a bit skeptical of this build way back when. I didn't think the Miura kit would look quite right. I haven't really been following this thread, but I must say that you guys are doing a great job. It's looking really good. I'll have to go back through this thread and catch up.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #678, 07-12-2010 11:43 PM
      Well the owner of the Miura was here over the weekend to check the car out.

Together we drove the car, testing everything as he got the feel for it.

We didn't have much time for pictures but we got a few.

Here is Jim (the owner) with Kris & Rob (the builders)



Someone got a picture of me driving it.....



This is the end most will see.....



We've got a couple of things to do, we did most of them today. All I have left to do is put together the Video owners manual & we'll be done.

The enclosed hauler will be here Friday to take the car home.

I'll try to get a bunch of pics before it leaves.

Jim wanted to let you know that he'll keep this thread alive with updates on the painting etc.

Archie



couldahadaV8 MSG #679, 07-13-2010 10:52 AM
      At the risk of being picky....stock Fiero heater controls!!?? With everything else custom made, seems a little out of place.

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kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #680, 07-13-2010 11:52 AM
      It looks as appropriate as anything else to me. How about the radio?

Ken



85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #681, 07-13-2010 12:15 PM
      The car looks great,

Has the color been decided jet ?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #682, 07-13-2010 01:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 85LAMB:

The car looks great,

Has the color been decided jet ?


It's going to be a real dark toyota Blue. I can't remember the name at the moment.

 
quote
Originally posted by couldahadaV8:

At the risk of being picky....stock Fiero heater controls!!?? With everything else custom made, seems a little out of place.



 
quote
Originally posted by kennn:

It looks as appropriate as anything else to me. How about the radio?

Ken



This car wasn't really built to be an exact replica.

The real car didn't come from the factory with A/C. The cars that have A/C were dealer installed units & the configurations of those units changed depending on which aftermarket A/C system the dealer used. So the controls were never standardized on the original cars. It's hard to duplicate something that varied from car to car in the originals.

On the radio, once again they didn't come from the factory with a radio. Radios, if desired, were located & installed by the dealers.

If you look at a lot of pics of Miuras, you'll see radios located in different places in the center console.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 07-13-2010).]

355Fiero MSG #683, 07-13-2010 05:02 PM
      Archie and Team;

I have to say I am a bit sad to see another outstanding build by your shop coming to an end. I looked forward to the updates these past years.

As I said before, you and your team have really out done yourselves on this build and should be very proud of the ingenuity you applied to get it all sorted out and the quality of the finished product.

Well Done

I am looking forward to the next installment of an Archie Team custom build......

Cheers
Don


FieroDev MSG #684, 07-13-2010 05:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 355Fiero:

Archie and Team;

I have to say I am a bit sad to see another outstanding build by your shop coming to an end. I looked forward to the updates these past years.

As I said before, you and your team have really out done yourselves on this build and should be very proud of the ingenuity you applied to get it all sorted out and the quality of the finished product.

Well Done

I am looking forward to the next installment of an Archie Team custom build......

Cheers
Don


X2!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #685, 07-13-2010 07:31 PM
      Thanks guys.

Archie


fieroguru MSG #686, 07-13-2010 08:35 PM
      This has been one of those threads you hate to see come to an end because it has been very interesting and informative to watch the progress...

But I am sure the car will look spectacular when it is painted.


Jefrysuko MSG #687, 07-14-2010 04:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Jim wanted to let you know that he'll keep this thread alive with updates on the painting etc.



I'll be watching


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #688, 07-15-2010 12:25 AM
      Archie,
With all the work you have done getting things right it is a shame you don't splash some molds before paint. As always your work is stellar.

That car is beautiful.

Paul



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #689, 07-17-2010 09:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The enclosed hauler will be here Friday to take the car home.

Archie


Originally, we thought, the transportation company was supposed to be here yesterday to pick up the car to go home.

However, there was a missunderstanding. We interpreted 07-16-10 as being the pickup date. The trucking company had considered that date as the earliest date that they could pick it up.

They said that whenever they get a hauler in our area (next week or 2) they will call a day ahead & arrainge to pick up the car.

Archie



Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #690, 07-17-2010 05:13 PM
      Archie,

Considering all the cars that you have built, how does this one rank in difficulty, and in fun?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #691, 07-28-2010 03:23 PM
      The transport company called earlier today & let me know that they'll be here tomorrow to take the Miura home.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #692, 07-28-2010 04:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

Archie,

Considering all the cars that you have built, how does this one rank in difficulty, and in fun?


Over the years, each special car has been progressively more difficult than what had proceeded it.

I don't want to use the word difficult, I'd rather use the word Involved.

For example, the GBCT was state of the art back when we built it, the LT1 Stinger, the GT40 & the Finale Roadster were even more involved/difficult........

The GBCT seems like such a simple build now.

When Rob & Kris first started working for me, we couldn't have built the Miura at that time. The skill levels we had back then were not at the level where I would have even contracted to do that car. he same thing goes for Curley's car or Troy's car, 7 or 8 years ago, we were not at the level where those cars could have turned out as good as if we built them now.

As for how involved/difficult the Miura was, I'd say that with all said & done, the Miura was the most involved/difficult build we've done. Considering the quality of the fiberglass we got from the U.K. & the fact that it was moving all over the place while we were trying to build it. Also the Miura "Kit" we got from the U.K. was the fiberglass parts only. No hardware came with the body, no instructions, no hinges, latches or even pictures of how it was to be put together. No idea what windows we were supposed to use nothing came with the "Kit".

One thing I've learned over the years is that the customer who you're building the car for is the most important factor. Does he know what he wants built? Can he communicate that over the phone or in person? Or does he think that just because he can photoshop a part onto the car then it can fit just as easily as it was to photoshop? Does the customer consult with us before he buys expensive parts, that he's going to add to the build, to see if those parts are even going to fit on the car? Or does he think he can just order something done like he's ordering burgers at the Drive-up window at Burger King?

Customers like Curley, Troy, Jim (this customer) & many others make building a special involved car a pleasure because they understand the difference between imagining a feature on the car & actually making it happen.

I guess that's the long answer to your question.

Archie




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #693, 07-29-2010 05:30 PM
      Rollin' ... Rollin' ... Rollin'......



































The "Bull" is heading for a round up in Texas......

Archie


DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #694, 07-29-2010 08:40 PM
      I sorry I didn't make it up to your shop to see The Bull one last time as a finished car. Definitely one of your best builds........

aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #695, 07-29-2010 11:03 PM
      Hopefully the owner keeps us updated on here with some more of his progress!

Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #696, 07-30-2010 02:39 AM
      Archie,

Thanks for taking the time for all of the updates....I really enjoyed it.


Erik (hardkandiboi@hotmail.com) MSG #697, 07-30-2010 04:06 AM
      wow that trailer is awesome

Fiero2m8 MSG #698, 08-11-2010 04:35 PM
      Seeing this real Muira at MeadowBrook a couple weeks ago reinforced how great a job Archie and the boys did.
Unless you saw them side by side, most people would never know of it's Fiero heritage



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #699, 10-20-2010 12:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

The "Bull" is heading for a round up in Texas......

Archie


nice build... thanks for sharing it with us. Can you divulge if the owner, Jim, is a Texas resident or whereabouts?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #700, 10-21-2010 11:44 PM
      Yes,his name is Jim & he lives in San Antonio.

He is a Fiero guy & is working on restoring an 86 SE T Top.

He says that he'd love to associate with other Fiero folks in Tx .

He's also a member here on PFF.

Right now the car is in paint & should be completed in the next week or 2 & an update is coming then.

He also sent me this link for an article getting Fieros & PFF out in the outside world.

http://www.ridelust.com/lam...-car-simply-amazing/

Archie

 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:


nice build... thanks for sharing it with us. Can you divulge if the owner, Jim, is a Texas resident or whereabouts?




troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #701, 10-21-2010 11:47 PM
      I can't wait to see this car in paint



blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #702, 10-22-2010 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Yes,his name is Jim & he lives in San Antonio... (snip)



Awesome. Alamo Area Fiero Owners (AAFO) meets regularly, is full of good people and dear friends, and hosts a yearly open Fiero show in the spring called the Round-Up. I am sure they'd be very welcoming to Jim and his unique car. As a matter of fact, I just spent the weekend with several of their regulars in Oklahoma. The PFF username of the President there is: fierosa, His name is Robert. He does not get on PFF too often, but is active in the regional Fiero community.

Theres a few events in D/FW I'd like to invite him to join also in 2011.

If you don't mind sharing his username, I'll send him a PM with a few event invites... Or Jim, if you read this, drop me a PM.

Congrats on your car, I hope it is as fun and inspiring to drive as it was to follow this thread!

and to Archie... after posting a whole bunch of event photos for the aforementioned Fiero rally I recently attended... I can certainly appreciate the time you spent to size the pics, post the explanations, answer the questions, over and over and over. I spent half the night just cropping and sizing a dozen pics, much less posting. thanks and g'night.

[This message has been edited by blakeinspace (edited 10-22-2010).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #703, 10-22-2010 07:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:


Awesome. Alamo Area Fiero Owners (AAFO) meets regularly, is full of good people and dear friends, and hosts a yearly open Fiero show in the spring called the Round-Up. I am sure they'd be very welcoming to Jim and his unique car. As a matter of fact, I just spent the weekend with several of their regulars in Oklahoma. The PFF username of the President there is: fierosa, His name is Robert. He does not get on PFF too often, but is active in the regional Fiero community.

Theres a few events in D/FW I'd like to invite him to join also in 2011.

If you don't mind sharing his username, I'll send him a PM with a few event invites... Or Jim, if you read this, drop me a PM.

Congrats on your car, I hope it is as fun and inspiring to drive as it was to follow this thread!

and to Archie... after posting a whole bunch of event photos for the aforementioned Fiero rally I recently attended... I can certainly appreciate the time you spent to size the pics, post the explanations, answer the questions, over and over and over. I spent half the night just cropping and sizing a dozen pics, much less posting. thanks and g'night.



Thanks

Sorry, I forgot to put in his username in the other post.

He's posted a couple of times in this thread. It's jbuell.

Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #704, 11-07-2010 09:08 PM
      Got these pics & note from the owner today.

Well it is finally painted and back home . Here are a few pics and I will send some better ones when I figure out how to frame the pictures right with this digital camera. It is done in Toyota Blue Streak Metallic with Mercedes silver for the rocker panel.















Archie


BlackThunderGT MSG #705, 11-07-2010 09:56 PM
      Absolutely a work of art!!!

Now I am really pissed to know this beautiful car lives in San Antonio and I had to recently move to Florida. I really hope the owner brings it to the Round Up next year as I will be traveling back to Texas to attend.

Thank you Archie! For sharing this build with all of us on PFF.



Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #706, 11-07-2010 10:19 PM
      WOW.

Carcenomy MSG #707, 11-08-2010 05:34 AM
      Oh my...

It came out even better in paint than I was imagining. Truly a fantastic piece of workmanship, good work Archie and the lads!



Falcon Fiero (joelpatton1@comcast.net) MSG #708, 11-08-2010 10:39 AM
      What sorts of reactions has the owner been getting on the street? It looks amazing.
Was this a color scheme offered on the original?



Tony Kania MSG #709, 11-08-2010 11:41 AM
      She is beautiful!

Chelo Fiero (jjose7976@aol.com) MSG #710, 11-08-2010 05:31 PM
      simply gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #711, 11-08-2010 07:24 PM
      Very tastefully done - looks great!

Jim


Jefrysuko MSG #712, 11-08-2010 07:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Got these pics & note from the owner today.



I'm predicting the next round of pictures will include a trophy of some sort.


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #713, 11-08-2010 07:52 PM
      WOW, man that looks great!!!!

dratts (dratts2@gmail.com) MSG #714, 11-08-2010 07:58 PM
      Another superclean archie build. If I had the coins and if he was willing to build another, I'd park it right next to my murci. The first lambo and the last. Although I hear that the last murci has rolled of the line. I love the classic lines as well as the modern and I don't know if the murci will be a classic someday. I love it!

War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #715, 11-08-2010 09:29 PM
      Astounding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #716, 11-08-2010 11:59 PM
      Thanks for all the nice comments everyone.


 
quote
Originally posted by Falcon Fiero:

What sorts of reactions has the owner been getting on the street? It looks amazing.
Was this a color scheme offered on the original?



Yes he picked his colors to try to match color from when the cars were in production.

Archie


Panda MSG #717, 11-09-2010 04:44 AM
      Wow, you did a fantastic job!

I think most of us would appreciate and even order a kit, if you decided to realize one.

However, I just have a few remarks regarding some details. Actually, the real “SV” model has wider rear wheel arches than the normal “P400” and the “S”. Considering that the body kit used doesn’t have wider wheel arches, personally I would have made a replica of a “P400” or an “S”. Considering your technical skills, you would have enjoyed the additional challenge of recreating the eyelashes. In this case, you should have installed the rear lights of the “Fiat 850 Spider”.

Anyway, considering that you and/or the owner have decided for a replica of the SV model, despite the lack of wider wheel arches, the correct taillights would be those of the “Fiat Dino Coupé”. Using them, the rear of this replica, which already looks great, would simply look perfect.

Personally, I find the wheels too modern for a Miura replica. I would replace them by original Campagnolo or Campagnolo replica, as offered for example by Parallel Designs. And just to complete the work of art you’ve already done, chromed window frames, like on the real “SV”, Lambo style shift gate and Lamborghini V12 replica engine cover.

The work done on this Fiero really has to be considered a work of art. Thus, why not achieve perfection by adding a few minor details in addition to the Lamborghini, Miura and Bertone badges ... .

Best regards

Panda


troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #718, 11-09-2010 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Panda:

.... Lamborghini V12 replica engine cover.... .



Please don't do it, this car is too classy to add something as cheesy as a fake engine cover. Once again great job, this car is by far the best thing to roll out of Archies shop


War Hammer (oldsouthphoto@yahoo.com) MSG #719, 11-09-2010 03:30 PM
      I just looked up several pictures of SVs and only 1 had wider arches in the back.

Just an observation.

Paul
 
quote
Originally posted by Panda:

Wow, you did a fantastic job!

I think most of us would appreciate and even order a kit, if you decided to realize one.

However, I just have a few remarks regarding some details. Actually, the real “SV” model has wider rear wheel arches than the normal “P400” and the “S”. Considering that the body kit used doesn’t have wider wheel arches, personally I would have made a replica of a “P400” or an “S”. Considering your technical skills, you would have enjoyed the additional challenge of recreating the eyelashes. In this case, you should have installed the rear lights of the “Fiat 850 Spider”.

Anyway, considering that you and/or the owner have decided for a replica of the SV model, despite the lack of wider wheel arches, the correct taillights would be those of the “Fiat Dino Coupé”. Using them, the rear of this replica, which already looks great, would simply look perfect.

Personally, I find the wheels too modern for a Miura replica. I would replace them by original Campagnolo or Campagnolo replica, as offered for example by Parallel Designs. And just to complete the work of art you’ve already done, chromed window frames, like on the real “SV”, Lambo style shift gate and Lamborghini V12 replica engine cover.

The work done on this Fiero really has to be considered a work of art. Thus, why not achieve perfection by adding a few minor details in addition to the Lamborghini, Miura and Bertone badges ... .

Best regards

Panda




Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #720, 11-09-2010 11:01 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Please don't do it, this car is too classy to add something as cheesy as a fake engine cover. Once again great job, this car is by far the best thing to roll out of Archies shop


Not to worry.

I'm sure he will never put a fake engine cover on the engine.

Archie


katatak MSG #721, 11-09-2010 11:25 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by troyboy:


Please don't do it, this car is too classy to add something as cheesy as a fake engine cover. Once again great job, this car is by far the best thing to roll out of Archies shop


Although I absolutely love the Miura that Archie and his guys built, your car is one in a billion as well. Bottom line is that Archie and company do some amazing work and I can't wait to see what's next!

Archie - the car is perfect just the way it is. I am sure that if the owner wanted an exact duplicate of a Miura, he probably would have just bought a real one. Why own a real one when you can have a one of a kind work of automotive art? Great job and thanks again for sharing all your work.

Pat

[This message has been edited by katatak (edited 12-09-2010).]

blakeinspace (blakeinspace@yahoo.com) MSG #722, 11-11-2010 12:06 PM
      awesome... and in Dallas Cowboys colors no less... too bad they are really sucking wind this year.



I'd ditch the front license plate. I know it is required by law, but it kills the front.

I've never been ticketed for not having one,... when I have been pulled over and asked about it, I just explain the bracket is no longer made and I am trying to source one for this 25 y/o classic. They are usually complimentary before giving me the speeding ticket...


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #723, 11-11-2010 02:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blakeinspace:

awesome... and in Dallas Cowboys colors no less... too bad they are really sucking wind this year.



I'd ditch the front license plate. I know it is required by law, but it kills the front.

I've never been ticketed for not having one,... when I have been pulled over and asked about it, I just explain the bracket is no longer made and I am trying to source one for this 25 y/o classic. They are usually complimentary before giving me the speeding ticket...


The front plate is mounted on a bracket that can be removed easily by removing 2 wing bolts. Then the whole bracket & plate can be removed & the tabs that the wing bolts screw into are hidden.

There are some details of the front plate mounting on this page of the build http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/000003-16.html

Archie

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Rick 88 MSG #724, 11-11-2010 04:43 PM
      The car is absolutley fantastic. The only thing I would change is the wheels. It is so close to the original in appearance a correct looking set of reproduction wheels would complete the illusion.

VF1Skullangel (vf1skullangel@gmail.com) MSG #725, 11-11-2010 09:46 PM
      Thats the best Lamborghini Miura Replica I have seen so far.

Kelvin Vivian (no_18@yahoo.com) MSG #726, 11-12-2010 02:57 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rick 88:

The car is absolutley fantastic. The only thing I would change is the wheels. It is so close to the original in appearance a correct looking set of reproduction wheels would complete the illusion.



Ditto - fantastic build, beautiful car - the only thing I'd do is find some repro wheels! - kv



aeffertz (alex@bikeguide.org) MSG #727, 11-12-2010 05:47 PM
      +1 on different wheels.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #728, 11-12-2010 07:52 PM
      If anyone wonders why we made so many custom parts & bought so few authentic parts on this car, this is why.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item35adc9379b

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c15f02ba8

Archie


Sourmug MSG #729, 11-12-2010 08:06 PM
      Holy Moly, the headlight is more than a lot of people have spent on their entire car!

Yikes!

[This message has been edited by Sourmug (edited 11-12-2010).]

Panda MSG #730, 11-17-2010 11:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by War Hammer:

I just looked up several pictures of SVs and only 1 had wider arches in the back.

Just an observation.

Paul


I’m sorry if I insist, but the “SV” always had wider wheel arches, due to the fact that it was fitted with wider wheels and tyres. On the web and on several books you find this information:

“On the outside the most striking difference was the bulging of the rear wheel arches, they had to be widened by 13 cm because the Miura SV was fitted with the new Pirelli’s ..."
( http://www.topspeed.com/car...-miura-sv-ar616.html ).

You can even compare the two pictures below.





However, don’t get me wrong, please. I really like this replica, even the way it is! I just said what I would change, if it were mine.

As to what concerns the reason, why the owner didn’t buy a real one, it’s probably that the real thing is far too expensive. Of course, he may not have wanted to have a perfect copy. Anyway, he still put Lamborghini and Miura and Bertone badges on it, in order to make it look as real as possible.

Anyway, Archie and his guys really did a fantastic job!

Best regards

Panda

[This message has been edited by Panda (edited 11-17-2010).]

Panda MSG #731, 11-17-2010 11:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Panda:


I’m sorry if I insist, but the “SV” always had wider wheel arches, due to the fact that it was fitted with wider wheels and tyres. On the web and on several books you find this information:

“On the outside the most striking difference was the bulging of the rear wheel arches, they had to be widened by 13 cm because the Miura SV was fitted with the new Pirelli’s ..."
( http://www.topspeed.com/car...-miura-sv-ar616.html ).

You can even compare the two pictures below.





However, don’t get me wrong, please. I really like this replica, even the way it is! I just said what I would change, if it were mine.

As to what concerns the reason, why the owner didn’t buy a real one, it’s probably that the real thing is far too expensive. Just look at the costs of spare parts ... .Of course, he may not have wanted to have a perfect copy. Anyway, he still put Lamborghini and Miura and Bertone badges on it, in order to make it look as real as possible.

Anyway, Archie and his guys really did a fantastic job!

Best regards

Panda




madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #732, 11-17-2010 02:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

If anyone wonders why we made so many custom parts & bought so few authentic parts on this car, this is why.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item35adc9379b

Archie



Good golly Ms. Molly! Those grills are ridiculously over priced (they must be stamped Lamborghini or something?) otherwise, you guys did a great job in reproducing the same item.


1988holleyformula MSG #733, 11-17-2010 02:47 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Got these pics & note from the owner today.

Well it is finally painted and back home . Here are a few pics and I will send some better ones when I figure out how to frame the pictures right with this digital camera.

Archie


Not that I don't absolutely love these pics, but are more on the way? Or any way to get high-res versions of these ones?

Great work Archie & Crew!


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #734, 11-17-2010 10:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

Good golly Ms. Molly! Those grills are ridiculously over priced (they must be stamped Lamborghini or something?) otherwise, you guys did a great job in reproducing the same item.


How about a headlight cover for 3650 (<$$$$)?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c15f02ba8

Or a headlight bucket & lense

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c15f023d2

The correct wheels...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item1c147b209c

& what good are wheels without spinners.... JCWhitney supplied our spinners for $ 39.99 plus shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...&hash=item483c73d13d

The owner of the car sent me these links & this note.....

 
quote
The simple fact is that authenticity is expensive when talking about low volume exotic cars and replacement parts. This is why restoring a real Miura to original specs is so costly and why a restored SV commands a price in the order of a million dollars . Part of the fun and challenge of creating a replica is substituting affordable parts for expensive ones to create the appearance without the exorbitant cost .

Like the parking lights being from a Toyota Rav 4 rather than a Miura . Hard to tell the difference. No Miura originals available on EBay at the moment but in 09 you could get ONE for $449.99 plus 14.50 shipping and the price is much higher now, I am sure, given the falling value of the dollar .

The end result of this build is a beautiful Fiero based car that in many ways is not only faster but better than the original . No worries of the engine catching fire or the front end getting light as the gas gauge goes down and you are unable to steer at 100 mph ! Yet this hand built American rendition with Detroit chassis and engine is to my mind as beautiful and dimensionally correct as the original hand built Italian version .You and your crew did a fantastic job and the paint shop guys simply marvel at the quality of construction as did the mechanics down here who have seen it.


I agree, it would be no fun building a replica of any car if you're just going to use a bunch of real & expensive parts to try to make it look 100%.

Archie


GT-X (xicor37@msn.com) MSG #735, 11-18-2010 03:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

"No worries of the engine catching fire."



That's funny! Not that it would but still.

~Tyler

Archie check your PMs

[This message has been edited by GT-X (edited 11-18-2010).]

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #736, 11-18-2010 11:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by GT-X:


That's funny! Not that it would but still.

~Tyler

Archie check your PMs



I'll tell you what's even funnier........

The references in his message to me about no worries of the engine catching fire or the front end getting light, were references to the Miura, not the Fiero. The gas tank in the Miura was up front, thus the reference to the front end getting light as you emptied the tank. And I think you'll find that fire problems with multi-carb setup on the Miura were what he was refering to.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 11-22-2010).]

Tony Kania MSG #737, 11-19-2010 05:54 AM
      Very cool trivia. I would think that the owner is quite happy pulling up to the gas pumps in his car. Wether it has inovative parts, from sources not intended to be Miura, she still sits right!

Edit: More pics please...

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 11-19-2010).]

kwagner MSG #738, 11-22-2010 05:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Edit: More pics please...



x2 Just saw the car back from paint, it looks fantastic!


Formula88 MSG #739, 12-08-2010 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


I'll tell you what's even funnier........

The references in his message to me about no worries of the engine catching fire or the front end getting light, were references to the Miura, not the Fiero. The gas tank in the Miura was up front, thus the reference to the front end getting light as you emptied the tank. And I think you'll find that fire problems with multi-carb setup on the Miura were what he was refering to.

Archie



Yup. Top Gear did a bit on the Miura and that was two problems they mentioned. Since it was carbureated, Hammond said everyone once in a while, it would just belch petrol on the manifolds and burn the entire car down.



Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #740, 12-17-2010 11:21 PM
      Some more updated pictures.

He's planning to try to get some more pictures this weekend.











Archie


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #741, 12-19-2010 04:22 PM
      The pictures are getting better

















1988holleyformula MSG #742, 12-19-2010 05:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:





Most amazing work! Beautiful exterior with an immaculate interior.

Any high-res shots that you could e-mail for background??


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #743, 12-19-2010 08:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


Most amazing work! Beautiful exterior with an immaculate interior.

Any high-res shots that you could e-mail for background??


Yes I have these shots plus 13 more.

Archie


Bradley Jay (bradleyj.thompson@sbcglobal.net) MSG #744, 12-22-2010 02:16 PM
      http://jalopnik.com/5715881...ll-haunt-your-dreams

avengador1 (avengador1@aol.com) MSG #745, 12-24-2010 01:28 PM
      I bet that burns a certain ex-member's ass. Archie, you deserve the recognition for the work your company put into this project.

aribop MSG #746, 12-25-2010 09:47 PM
      Awesome project! Unbelievable craftsmanship. I love to see quality builds like this. The only problem is that I cannot see the pictures. Is anyone else having the same problem?

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #747, 12-25-2010 10:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aribop:

Awesome project! Unbelievable craftsmanship. I love to see quality builds like this. The only problem is that I cannot see the pictures. Is anyone else having the same problem?


I host all my own pictures on my ftp with my Hosting people.

I've been using the same Host for my Web Site for nearly 10 years & Right now the web site says" Bandwidth Limit Exceeded. The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later. "

I've never had that happen before & don't know what I should do about it.

Archie


1988holleyformula MSG #748, 12-25-2010 10:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by aribop:

Awesome project! Unbelievable craftsmanship. I love to see quality builds like this. The only problem is that I cannot see the pictures. Is anyone else having the same problem?


Yeah the pictures look like they were hosted on Archie's website and his bandwidth limit was exceeded.

I'm sure they'll be back soon. Maybe that jalopnik article caused WAY more traffic to his site than regular. Which is a good thing in a way!

edit: btw you have a PM Archie



kwagner MSG #749, 12-26-2010 12:17 AM
      Assuming you have a monthly plan, you should have your service restored Jan 1st.

Or you could contact your hosting provider and see how much they charge per gigabyte for over-the-limit bandwidth. Sometimes it's cost-prohibitive and you're better off just waiting. Alternatively, they may have the 'next plan up' from what you currently have that has enough extra bandwidth to last you until the new year.

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troyboy (mrtroyboy69@yahoo.com) MSG #750, 01-21-2011 09:09 PM
      bump

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #751, 01-26-2011 08:24 PM
      I got some new pics of the Miura today.







The weather in TX seems to be better than it is here.

Archie


doublec4 (doublec4@hotmail.com) MSG #752, 01-26-2011 08:39 PM
      I hope those wheels aren't permanent!

I think the other ones were a little better...

some nice old school BBS wheels would look fantastic on there. Or some replicas of the original equipment... hmm car looks great though!


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #753, 01-26-2011 10:52 PM
     
Before:



after:


I like the after pic. The other rims looked to modern.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #754, 01-27-2011 12:02 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:

I like the after pic. The other rims looked to modern.


That's what he told me.

You can't get old style stamped steel wheels anymore. Even if you could they would be to narrow to use modern tires.

So he got these Classic style, period correct wheels from Boyd's. They are working on spinners for them too.

I like them.

Archie


25thCountach (nautilusbuilder@aol.com) MSG #755, 02-06-2011 03:06 AM
      might be still available

Will

http://www.eurospares.co.uk...=28362&S=&ID4=808317



kwagner MSG #756, 02-06-2011 09:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




Do I spy a blue dingy thingy?


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #757, 02-06-2011 03:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kwagner:


Do I spy a blue dingy thingy?


Oh No!!! Now people are going to start complaining that the underdash area doesn't look authentic.



Jake_Dragon MSG #758, 02-06-2011 08:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Oh No!!! Now people are going to start complaining that the underdash area doesn't look authentic.





Doc John MSG #759, 02-06-2011 09:05 PM
      This car is really a work of art. If Ferruccio Lamborghini were alive today and you took him for a ride in this car, he'd be grinning ear to ear.


kwagner MSG #760, 02-07-2011 07:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


Oh No!!! Now people are going to start complaining that the underdash area doesn't look authentic.



Ha From what I've seen, there's two kinds of owners of BDT's: those that really want it, and those that don't know it's removable. I was wondering which he was


vinny (jph15@msstate.edu) MSG #761, 02-09-2011 08:20 PM
      I haven't been following this build. What engine trans combo you running? By the way. Beautiful car.


Vinny


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #762, 02-10-2011 12:16 AM
      It's an LS3 crate engine & a 6 speed G6 Transmission.

Archie


LZeppelin513 (bjamestate@gmail.com) MSG #763, 02-10-2011 03:31 PM
      Absolutely stunning! Beautiful work Archie. I would honestly rather have this than an original Miura.

Just out of curiosity, has the finished car been weighed?


kevin (kevinsullivan@frontier.com) MSG #764, 02-11-2011 04:43 PM
      Archie,

You know what would be really cool? Archie, contact the owner and see if he can take a video from inside the car at speed (any speed ) I think all would enjoy that.

Cordially,

Kevin


jim94 (jcmusco@comcast.net) MSG #765, 04-17-2011 01:26 AM
      i was in walmart and purchased a matchbox car. a lamborghini miura p400s, 1968. yellow. 1:60. i love the car you built.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #766, 04-17-2011 09:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kevin:

Archie,

You know what would be really cool? Archie, contact the owner and see if he can take a video from inside the car at speed (any speed ) I think all would enjoy that.

Cordially,

Kevin


Well, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing some new pictures & maybe some video in the next week or 2.

Archie

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Fiero Thomas (tom@fieronews.net) MSG #767, 04-20-2011 04:40 PM
      I got to see this car in person today at the new shop and all I can say is this is a masterpiece. Flawless and great job well done by Archir and the crew



Ruffy MSG #768, 05-06-2011 04:15 PM
      Ok over two hours later i finally got done reading everything lol. This is one hell of a build! But then again its Archie so its going to be this good

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #769, 05-07-2011 09:12 AM
     

Since the Miura left here last July, Jim (the owner) has had the car painted & changed out the wheels. He also has driven the car a couple of K miles around his home area.

One of the reasons he built a Replica rather than buying a real Miura is that he wants to be free to drive the car on long road trips without the problems he might have with an original rare car from the '60's. He's a exotic car guy & much of his family is scattered around CO & UT & he wanted to be able to jump in the car & be able to take road trips to visit family.

In June, his grandson is graduating & even though his family has seen pictures of the car, he wants to take it out to show them.

He also wanted to install some additional A/C vents inside the car. The big windshield is like a magnifying glass & when sitting outside in sunny hot weather, the car gets very warm inside. He wants to be able to cool the interior quicker when he fires it up & turns on the A/C.

Sure, anyone could have installed the additional A/C vents but he wanted us to do it because we are more familliar with how the car is put together.
To this end & as a 1st leg of his trip out west, a few weeks ago he drove the car up here & left it & flew home. The plan is that we would check things out, take lots of pictures, some video etc. & he would return at the end of May to continue his trip out West.

So, over the last few weeks, we have been working on adding the A/C vents & checking out everything else on the car. We also are enjoying our chance to see this car after paint & actually finished.

IN addition to installing the additional A/C vents, he also wanted to raise the car about 3/4" to keep it from dragging on some speed bumps that he has to drive over daily. The car has RCC tubular "A" arms & coil-overs thatr were on it before we started this conversion. To smooth out the ride (it was a bit harsh in the front) We changed out the front springs from 8" long 350# to 9" long 450#. This smoothed it out a lot & also allowed enough adjustment to raise the car.

We also found a problem with the RSS front coil-over top mount that was making a noise & we think we've corrected it because the noise is gone now. We also found a few loose fasteners from when the paint shop put the car back together after they painted it.

While we were installing the additional A/C vents, we also increased the diameter of all of the A/C & defroster feed tubes from 1.5" to 2" to increase the air flow thru them. We also designed & built a cold air intake box for the outside air coming into the A/C heater air intake.

So here are a few pics of the car. If anyone is interested I can post pics of the things we did.









The last several weeks have been a lot cooler than normal & it's rained about 6 days a week. So, except for the last couple of days, we really haven't been able take it out much. In fact we had it stored in the back garage at my house for a week. I can tell you that this car looks beautiful driving down the road. We'll try to get some video next week.

Archie

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Ruffy MSG #770, 05-07-2011 10:24 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:


One of the reasons he built a Replica rather than buying a real Miura is that he wants to be free to drive the car on long road trips without the problems he might have with an original rare car from the '60's. He's a exotic car guy & much of his family is scattered around CO & UT & he wanted to be able to jump in the car & be able to take road trips to visit family.
In June, his grandson is graduating & even though his family has seen pictures of the car, he wants to take it out to show them.
So here are a few pics of the car. If anyone is interested I can post pics of the things we did.
Archie



After reading that part i thought for sure that he was going to give it to his grandson lol.

I would be very interested but i am broke for now. Do you take trades? i have 3 kids and one more on the way!! Heck ill give two for one? three for one would be pushing it though :P Ill even toss in the wife at no additional cost.


madcurl (madcurl@fiero-performance.com) MSG #771, 05-07-2011 12:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:




I can tell you that this car looks beautiful driving down the road. We'll try to get some video next week.

Archie



Yes. Please do.


BlackThunderGT MSG #772, 05-07-2011 01:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by madcurl:


Yes. Please do.


X2


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #773, 05-20-2011 12:31 AM
      http://youtu.be/5JKrBdE5P_A

Archie


thedrue MSG #774, 05-20-2011 01:54 AM
      wow, the view out of that windshield is not one I would ever get tired of! Great work, beautiful car.

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #775, 05-21-2011 10:37 AM
     









Tony Kania MSG #776, 05-21-2011 11:21 AM
      OK. I will just say it now.... This car is my favorite Fiero. Yes, it is not a real Muira, but it has to be more reliable, and you can drive it. The lines just make me think of a woman lying on a grey beach towel, blinking seductively at you, as you walk on by tripping over your tongue.

Tony


ace5514 (aacerra@yahoo.com) MSG #777, 05-22-2011 02:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Tony Kania:

OK. I will just say it now.... This car is my favorite Fiero. Yes, it is not a real Muira, but it has to be more reliable, and you can drive it. The lines just make me think of a woman lying on a grey beach towel, blinking seductively at you, as you walk on by tripping over your tongue.

Tony


tony,
are these some of those trick pics that when you stare at them long enough you will see that girl on the beach towel?
cause after two hours i still don't see it ....but after, when i close my eyes i did see elvis...lol
thank you very much

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Jim88GT (choptop88@verizon.net) MSG #778, 05-22-2011 09:26 PM
      Beautiful car - thanks for sharing the vids!

Jim


kennn (kbrooksarchitect@cox.net) MSG #779, 05-23-2011 10:03 PM
      Archie,

Did you, out of curiosity, ever weigh the Miura and get the front and rear distributions? Just curious. Beautifully crafted and executed. Formidable work.

Ken


jhunter (jhunter37221@yahoo.com) MSG #780, 11-05-2011 03:16 PM
      This is one of my top 3 favorite all time cars. I've followed a coule of restorations of the real thing very closely and they don't put more work into those than went into this one. With the rarity of these cars, even if you could afford it, you might have trouble finding one. This car came out great. I loved the build and all of the explanation that you gave especially for the interior parts.

One question: What car did the transmission come out of? Any concerns with it handling the power of the engine?

Thanks for sharing the build.


Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #781, 11-05-2011 05:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jhunter:

This is one of my top 3 favorite all time cars. I've followed a coule of restorations of the real thing very closely and they don't put more work into those than went into this one. With the rarity of these cars, even if you could afford it, you might have trouble finding one. This car came out great. I loved the build and all of the explanation that you gave especially for the interior parts.

One question: What car did the transmission come out of? Any concerns with it handling the power of the engine?

Thanks for sharing the build.


Thanks very much & Welcome to the Forum.

This customer told me that he had always wanted a Miura & that he could afford to buy a real one. However, he didn't want a real one because he wanted to be able to drive it on short & long trips without problems.

As you may know the real cars had engine fire problems with the carbs, handling problems with the amount of fuel in the tank & other problems that made it difficult to shove off on a cross country trip.

This car is powered by an LS3 Chevy Crate engine & the transmission is the 6 speed manual (F40) from the FWD Pontiac G6. It seems to be holding up fine. He's had this car on the road for more than a year now & he's had it on at least 3 1000+mile trips. I can't imagine being able to do that with one of the original cars.

Several days ago, I posted what I call a video tour of the Miura on YouTube.

You can see that here http://youtu.be/05aG1yQBWjQ

Archie

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ShaneSAW (moehrle.s@gmail.com) MSG #782, 11-07-2011 08:49 PM
      WOW Thats about all i can say. You should contact the owner and find out the name of that blue paint because i think i just decided thats the color i want to paint my fiero when i get around to that.

Great work man.


1988holleyformula MSG #783, 11-08-2011 09:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ShaneSAW:
WOW Thats about all i can say. You should contact the owner and find out the name of that blue paint because i think i just decided thats the color i want to paint my fiero when i get around to that.

Great work man.


Back a few pages for you:

 
quote
Originally posted by Archie:

Got these pics & note from the owner today.

Well it is finally painted and back home . Here are a few pics and I will send some better ones when I figure out how to frame the pictures right with this digital camera. It is done in Toyota Blue Streak Metallic with Mercedes silver for the rocker panel.

Archie




DL10 (dl10@frontier.com) MSG #784, 02-13-2012 06:19 PM
      Congratulations on the great review Kit Car Builder gave this car... the article mentions the build thread here on Pennocks so I'll bump this to page 1 so it will be easier for people to find

Archie (archie@v8archie.com) MSG #785, 02-13-2012 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DL10:

Congratulations on the great review Kit Car Builder gave this car... the article mentions the build thread here on Pennocks so I'll bump this to page 1 so it will be easier for people to find


I gotta find someplace I can buy that Magazine.



I FAR I MSG #786, 02-14-2012 11:10 AM
      Archie....I've been into kit cars since 1990 and bulilt my car in '93. Your name of V8Archie and your innovations with engine swaps and the like have always been at the front of the genre, because you were making 'kits' and their drivetrains respectable and worthy of admiration..........but THIS car.........words fail me right now.........but........WOW!!!

I just think you should be referred to as 'Awesome Archie' from now on!

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