12 year olds and cars - Kathryn's Fiero
Topic started by: michhiker28, Date: 04-18-2011 04:37 PM
Original thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/085309.html


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #1, 04-18-2011 04:37 PM
      So we have been working on the car now for about 3 months, but as I have been prowling the forum I realized I should probably post the story, and some of you might be interseted in it.

A few months ago our 12 year old DAUGHTER came in and said, "Dad, Mom, can we talk for a minute?" We agreed, and she presented us with something she had been thinking about. She said that she would like to buy a car with her babysitting money. We were like, you are only 12.

Now I should tell you that she is 12 going on 22, but she presented these arguements to us.
1. She would like to buy a fiero because she saw one at a show and thinks they are cool (we are corvette people, so she has been around a few shows). Fair enough I like GM products and remember the Fiero fondly from my youth.
2. She makes the arguement that it gets reasonably good gas milage
3. It is relatively inexpensive, so she would be able to afford it.
4. She could completely restore it in the 4 years until she turns 16
5. She would learn about how cars work, it would be a cheap education for the money
6. She would only have the capacity to take one friend along with her, so there would be less distraction
7. She wants a manual so she would learn how to drive stick
8. When it is done it would be a cool historic sports car
9. She would pay for it all herself.

Hmmmmm, the wife and I look at each other, and go ok. So the search was on. In the end we found a good deal on an 86 SE 2.8 and 4 speed. Lots of miles, but solid chassis and a few spare parts. So she has been stripping it out and working on repair, replace, fix, etc. for a few months. The interior is out and she has started on refinishing the wheels.

I just thought a few of you might be interested in this....if so let me know, and let me know how to post pics and I can put up some of her progress and her doing the work.

Is it just me, or do I have a really cool daughter?

-MH


mptighe MSG #2, 04-18-2011 04:44 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:
Is it just me, or do I have a really cool daughter?
-MH


Welcome to the forum! You can say that again, I'm going to make my 12 year old daughter sit and read this thread


donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #3, 04-18-2011 04:48 PM
      I have to admit that is a cool story. I use MYFIERO.com for image posting but many use the button at the bottom of the page (Pennocks image hoster) for pics.

GADJet MSG #4, 04-18-2011 04:59 PM
      Cool daughter check, cool wife check, fond memories that will last a lifetime = priceless.

My daughter and I work on my err.... her car together. She is 5.

Super cool story and super cool family. Please post pics. We would love to see them. I use www.photobucket.com but others here will tell you no dont do that. But it is what I use.

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katatak MSG #5, 04-18-2011 05:22 PM
      Great story - Welcome to the madness. My youngest son started on his first Fiero when he was 14 - helped do most the work - paid for most the parts. He is now 17 - been driving his Fiero for 2 years now and is completely self reliant when it comes to his Fiero. Your Daughter has started down the right path - sounds like she has great parents!

Pat



rourke_87_T-Top (rourke_r@hotmail.com) MSG #6, 04-18-2011 05:31 PM
      get her some teddy bear rims.

Tony Kania MSG #7, 04-18-2011 05:54 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

Is it just me, or do I have a really cool daughter?

-MH


Definately a cool daughter.

Tony


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #8, 04-18-2011 07:20 PM
      Hell at 12 i dident even know what a transmission was let alone stick and auto.

Gall757 MSG #9, 04-18-2011 08:32 PM
      Pictures!!!

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #10, 04-18-2011 08:32 PM
      Wow, you have one awesome daughter there. My 15 year old daughter and I have been working on restoring an '84 for her for the last year. We still have a decent amount of work to do, but it is getting there. Welcome!



Danyel MSG #11, 04-18-2011 08:41 PM
      Yepp with an atttitude like that the girl will go far ... of coursde with the parents encouragement !!!! Welcome to the forum !!! A little two words of advice ....... TAKE PICS !!!
Danyel



datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #12, 04-19-2011 12:34 AM
      We need a "Daddy's, Daughters & Their Cars" thread :-D

Welcome to the Forum


Carcenomy MSG #13, 04-19-2011 03:22 AM
      Ahhh, I love threads like this. It's amazing how these wee cars can become a common hobby between parents and children - I built my first Fiero with my dad a decade ago, now we're both well and truly bitten with the bug and have never been closer.



Genopsyde MSG #14, 04-19-2011 04:07 AM
      awesome story, can't wait to follow the whole project on here.



proff (fiero128@gmail.com) MSG #15, 04-19-2011 05:29 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Genopsyde:

awesome story, can't wait to follow the whole project on here.



the perfect car
fast
fun
looks great
cheap to run
and 4X4


Axdrenalin MSG #16, 04-19-2011 07:04 AM
      Great story there....You've got a great daughter there who is already using her head. I hope to be doing the same project in the near future with my 12 year old son...


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #17, 04-19-2011 09:23 AM
      Wow, I don't know what to say. Thanks for the great response everyone! I'm going to start work on the thread and then once I get it up to date, I will share it with Kathryn and give her access to comment on there as well.

Once Kathryn decided to move forward with purchasing her car we had a couple of decisions to make. Once of the first was how much money she would like to spend. The easiest thing to do, would be to have her save her money and in about 4 years buy a really nice, well maintained car off of one of the forum members. :-) After all, we all know it is cheaper to buy something already built than to replace a bunch of parts yourself. Besides, thought I, this bug might wear off in a couple of weeks or months and then I won't have a derelict car. Nope! She wanted to learn how to rebuilt something, so my easy way wasn't going to work. Instead we had to start the search for a car.

Now, not being a fiero expert we started to read up. We realized pretty quickly that she wanted an '85 or later (88 prefered) car, would prefer a V6, it had to be stick (5 speed preferable) and she didn't care if it was a GT or SE....she liked both. After a bit of saving, and a lot of looking we came across an add on craiglist that was about 40 miles from our home. We drove out to see it and took along Uncle Bob. Looking at the car, I was horrified. I could see a lot of cosmetic work etc. that was going to need to be done. We had warned Kathryn before we left to see it that she didn't have to buy it if she didn't like it but that it would be her decision. Here is what we saw:

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Notice the great rattle can spray job!

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Interior's a bit manky.....ok, more than a bit!

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Engine bay is relatively clearn.......score 1.

So an 86 SE, with a 2.8 and 4 speed. I wasn't really impressed with the paint, body, interior etc but we realized pretty quickly was that the chassis was in great shape. Very little if any rust underneath or on the cradle, nothing behine the trunk carpet that was bad. The coolant lines under the car were intact, and the only bad corrosion was around the battery tray (or what was left of it).

Not that it mattered anyway since Kathryn decided early on that whatever we did was going to end up gloss black with yellow racing stripes on a black and yellow interior. So overall, this was not to bad. We were going to be painting and redoing an interior no matter what. We pulled Kathryn aside and told her if she wanted it, at least it appeared to be a solid foundation on which to work. She thought about it for a couple of minutes and said she was going to make them an offer. So Bob and I just stood back and let the kid go to work.

They were asking $600 for it. Kathryn offered them $400 to start, and the guy said he would really like to get $500 for it. In the end we walked out with it for $450. Not to bad considering we drove it the 40 miles home.....with one stop along the way to put a bit more gas in the tank.

Of course, once we got it home, she had to call her friends and take it around to show them. Then it went to the back yard to start the strip work, until there was a space for it in her Uncle Bob's barn.

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My thought was, that was where we would leave it for a few weeks until it was ready to go into the shop to start the dissassembly. NOPE! Kathryn had other ideas. I came home a few days later to find this:

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Apparently she couldn't wait. Luckily for Dad, she was pretty smart. If you look in the middle picture you will see the zip lock bags and the masking tape. As she disconnected wires and switches she labled the wire and the switch with the tape, and place the screws in an individual ziplock and labled that as well as to what they came from.....Man I love that girl!

So with pieces coming out of the car she was anxious to see some actual progress. We talked about it and figured that there was no point in doing something half. So if we were going to rebuild this thing we might as well try to do it better than GM did it originally. Her first thought was, "I don't want any rust on my car!" So we started with the support brackets behind the waterfall console. These things looked really bad after 24 years of humidity. Especially since they were never coated at the factory and are simple mild steel stampings.

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I asked Kathryn how she was planning on cleaning those up? She thought maybe some sand paper would do it, which of course it would....if she wanted to be there till she was 13 working on it. We introduced her to the wonders of the wire wheel (One of her new favorite tools!) This is what she ended up with.

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A little bit of primer and cheap paint later......

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Not bad for a days work.

--MH


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #18, 04-19-2011 09:40 AM
      I know that you're a corvette guy.. but I gotta be honest with you, that's a good looking car

One thing that you'll learn in working with the Fiero's.. we don't have to pay the Corvette tax


Benja MSG #19, 04-19-2011 09:43 AM
      That is awesome. Wish I would have had started like that when I was 12.

The car looks to be in great shape. You should see the one I just started on, talk about horrified... The paint looks like it could be restored to a really nice shine. The seats and fabric can all be cleaned to look like new. I use a mixture of Oxy Clean and Tide detergent mixed in a bug sprayer to clean interiors. Hose them down and let them soak, scrub with a brush and hose down with water. Let everything sit out in the sun for a day or two and it will come out looking great, and smelling great too!


ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #20, 04-19-2011 10:22 AM
      You forgot #10 - No back seat! Very hard to make-out in and next to impossible (but not imposible) to, ya know, _________

RWDPLZ MSG #21, 04-19-2011 10:55 AM
      Wow, VERY smart girl! You must have done a good job!

How the heck did I miss a V6 car for $600 in Michigan?! Where was it advertised?


Gall757 MSG #22, 04-19-2011 11:05 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by Benja:

Hose them down and let them soak, scrub with a brush and hose down with water. Let everything sit out in the sun for a day or two and it will come out looking great, and smelling great too!


Got a laugh out of that!.....In Michigan?..April?....Sun? DAY or TWO???


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #23, 04-19-2011 11:09 AM
      Yeah, dad thought of #10 too, but thought it better not to bring that to her attention. We found the car over by canadian lakes and she talked him down to $450, not bad for a car that ran home! Not only that but the underside of this thing is in great shape! So I think we are doing ok so far. Thanks for all the comments ya all. Thought I would share a bit more, and let you see pictures of Kathryn as well.
-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #24, 04-19-2011 11:32 AM
      We got some of the car stripped out at home, but didn't want to do to much since we still needed to drive it to my Brother-in-law's for its permanent home during the rebuild. Kathrn did manage to get the headliner out without breaking it.....thankfully. I have heard they are a nightmare, so yes, dad helped with that part of the process considerably. As part of that she got the visors out of the car and decided that:
1. They looked horrible
2. They needed fixed
3. They should be black.

So away she went. We decided that this should be a Mom and Kathryn project. Here is what they looked like once they were out of the car:

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They stripped off all the old material from one visor, and left the other intact since they are going to put the pockets back together they same why there were originally only with black material instead of grey. The partical board is in good shape (anyone know why there are holes predrilled in it). The cardboard over the top was pretty beat up, so Kathryn decided to template that and remake it entirely. Also the metal rods had a bit of surface rust so they go wirewheeled and resprayed. The springs and pivots got oiled, and the material is cut.

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More update on the visors as they are finished.

With more of the interior out except dash, seats, steering wheel and carpet, we were ready to move it to its new home for hte next few years. So another 30 mile trip without incident and it was ready to be prepped. Kathryn wanted the hood and decklid off so that we could see as she says "The fun stuff".
Now it is time to get the seats out. Passenger side......no problem. Drivers side......you have GOT to be kidding me! With my Brother-in-law in the drivers seat throwing his weight against the seat, and Kathryn and I pushing on it we still can't get it to budge. TIme to do some research......

The oracle that is Pennocks advises that perhaps the wire under the seat that releases the tracks has broken.....check it....nope, the tracks are just rusted in place. At this point Dad is a bit nervous about what the floor pans are going to look like if and when this thing does come out. A lot of effort, breakfree, and patience...drivers seat is out!

Then up on to jack stands for a while. The result the looks like this.

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Of course, the drivers seat track is unsalvageable...after all, it is rusted shut. Kathryn is curious as to how much a new track might cost and since we are unsure and she has a Saturday off, out comes her favorite tool---the wire wheel. 6 hours, a lot of elbow grease, some real grease, a wire wheel, and she has the track working smoothly again.

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Since they rusted so bad from all the moisture that gets tracked into the car we decide to pull them completely apart and powdercoat them before reassembly. NICE!

With the car on jack stands, and the seats out, it is time to remove the wheels.

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Of course, the wheels don't look real good. We talk a bit about buying new aftermarket rims, but at a cost of approximately $400 it is a little steep for the 12 year old. Her comment was, "I only spent $450 for the whole car!" So we talk about potentially polishing them. The problem is a previous owner somewhere along the way decided to try the same thing, but without really doing a good job. Hmmmm. Well we could strip them and then powdercoat or paint the centers? That sounds like a good idea, since that is realatively inexpensive. But first all the old gunk has to come off. Outside and inside.

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Look at all that crap!

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There you go girl! Get scrubbing!

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One 8 hour Saturday, 2 cans of stripper gel, and the clearcoat and paint is off. Soon to come, Kathryn and some fine sand paper!

But for now, it is time to go back to the car. She hasn't seen it in a couple of weeks, so we might as well do a bit more work!

Ok, then let's teach you how to drill out some door rivets! We need to get into the door in order to replace window motors and lock solenoids (The ones in there are still ok, just not great and we got new ones for free with the car! Might as well replace them while we are in here).

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And we can look at the suspension while we are here Kathryn......hmmmmm.....perhaps it is time to replace some of those suspension bushings....those look original. What do you think?

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How about some nice shiny parts!

--MH


Larryh86GT MSG #25, 04-19-2011 11:58 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

Is it just me, or do I have a really cool daughter?

-MH


Yes you certainly do. This is very impressive and welcome to the forum. I may become more ambitious working on my GT after following Kathryn's progress.

Larry



nitroheadz28 MSG #26, 04-19-2011 12:21 PM
      I'm beyond jealous, I wish I could have started that early. Thanks for sharing your story, keep up the good work! Inspirational

stickboy MSG #27, 04-19-2011 12:46 PM
      Wow. My 15 year old daughter has absolutely no interest in cars other than wanting to be given a cool/cute one when she turns 16. That looks like a great car for the price.

BlackThunderGT MSG #28, 04-19-2011 02:21 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by stickboy:

Wow. My 15 year old daughter has absolutely no interest in cars other than wanting to be given a cool/cute one when she turns 16. That looks like a great car for the price.


stickboy I feel your pain when my daughter was 16 I wanted to give her a Fiero to build. She had no interest in working on a car or anything else. Why work for anything in life when it will just be handed to you… that’s how she was raised by her mother’s family! Anyway because she refused to work on the car I sold it to my brother.

michhiker28 your daughter is very inspirational… man I wish I had a daughter like yours. Oh well I tried… you can bring a youth to the car but you can’t make them drive it


katatak MSG #29, 04-19-2011 02:29 PM
      Great thread - keep up the good work!

fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #30, 04-19-2011 03:12 PM
      It's really a great feeling to work with your daughter like that. My daughter helped with her Fiero when she was 16, and now she has a good understanding of vehicles and has a reasonable inkling as to whether or not it's time to change the freon in the headlights so they don't get too hot and burn out.

But, I caution you; she's working on a Fiero, and many of them come with a case of beer and a box of foul language.


Genopsyde MSG #31, 04-19-2011 03:42 PM
      simply amazing...

I think you have a prodigy on your hands.


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #32, 04-20-2011 12:39 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

And we can look at the suspension while we are here Kathryn......hmmmmm.....perhaps it is time to replace some of those suspension bushings....those look original. What do you think?



How about some nice shiny parts!



Funny.. Ternunda has a stack of the very same pretty red poly bushings sitting on my workbench We're also doing the ball joints and inner / outer tie rods at the same time. Additionally... we're performing the berretta brake upgrade all the way around (See here: http://fierozone.tripod.com/realbrakes/index.html )..



pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #33, 04-20-2011 12:42 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

Wow, I don't know what to say. Thanks for the great response everyone! I'm going to start work on the thread and then once I get it up to date, I will share it with Kathryn and give her access to comment on there as well.

Once Kathryn decided to move forward with purchasing her car we had a couple of decisions to make. Once of the first was how much money she would like to spend. The easiest thing to do, would be to have her save her money and in about 4 years buy a really nice, well maintained car off of one of the forum members. :-) After all, we all know it is cheaper to buy something already built than to replace a bunch of parts yourself. Besides, thought I, this bug might wear off in a couple of weeks or months and then I won't have a derelict car. Nope! She wanted to learn how to rebuilt something, so my easy way wasn't going to work. Instead we had to start the search for a car.

Now, not being a fiero expert we started to read up. We realized pretty quickly that she wanted an '85 or later (88 prefered) car, would prefer a V6, it had to be stick (5 speed preferable) and she didn't care if it was a GT or SE....she liked both. After a bit of saving, and a lot of looking we came across an add on craiglist that was about 40 miles from our home. We drove out to see it and took along Uncle Bob. Looking at the car, I was horrified. I could see a lot of cosmetic work etc. that was going to need to be done. We had warned Kathryn before we left to see it that she didn't have to buy it if she didn't like it but that it would be her decision. Here is what we saw:


--MH



Reminds me of my 1st fiero......only my 1st fiero was a basket case that was riddled with problems and issues. keep up the good work. I'll be watching this thread.

Plus your already a head of the game. Every Fiero. And i mean every one of them never made it the 1st ride home. every one had to be towed. I thought my formula was going to be different........ no it broke a shifter cable on the way home.

BTW you got duped a little on your good on gas argument there a little. the 4 speed (at least in my experience) is horrible MPG wiase for the size of the car. my stock 4 speed was an 86 GT that ran great and was pretty fast for a small 6 but it was a bit thirsty. My formula with the turbo 3400 and 4 speed drinks like a college student with expensive taste (premium only).

All in all though the 4 speed is a good transmission. it is a very strong transmission as well. he car seems like a very good base to build off o. keep up the good work.


longjonsilver (longjonsilver34@juno.com) MSG #34, 04-20-2011 08:05 AM
      all my 13 year old can think of is electronic gadgets - a macbook is the latest.

keep at it Kathryn

were looking for updates!



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #35, 04-20-2011 08:19 AM
      Not much to update in one day, but I will share the progress from last night.

One of the things that we noticed early on was that the sail panels were beginning to show their age. The black plastic frames were showing some fading and both of the pontiac emblems were gone. The lexan windows themselves were stared and cracked in a couple of places, so they were going to need some work. We looked online the a couple of weeks ago when we were down working on the car to figure out the best way to get them off....unfortunately, wrong directions. Sooo, it was a good opportunity for Kathryn to learn a valuable lesson. Sometimes it is better to leave it and live to fight another day than it is to try to force something and break it.

After a bit more resaerch we found some better instructions for removal than we had originally and off the panels came. Yippee!

For Christmas Kathryn had recieved the new plexiglass panels in a dark tint and with custom lettering. Instead of putting SE panels back on the car hers will say Kathryn's Fiero in yellow script on a deep tint background. She was pretty excited about these, since it keeps with her yellow and black color scheme as well as making sure that no one will mistake that it is HER CAR!

Last night she worked a bit with dad on removing the old glass and tape. The glass came off relatively easily......the tape not so much so. After watching her struggle for a bit with a putty knive and some sand paper, dad introduced her to the wonders of acetone! A lot of elbow grease, a small mess, and some time later this is what we ended up with.



They are now ready for paint and here is a question for the group. We have a couple of different options. Once they are painted it looks like we could order the emblems from the fiero store for abotu $26. Some others have suggested a grinding and sanding down the raised section and using a pontiac emblem from the grand am, cost about $20. Another option is to repaint the frame black, and then mask off the arrowhead and spray it yellow to contrast and leave it. Cost is effectivly $0. What would everyone do, since the car isn't going back stock anyway? Or do you have other suggestions? Fire away!

One last thing for the update. Kathryn does not yet know that this thread exists. Mom and Dad just recently ordered her MRMIKES seats for her birthday in yellow and black, a yellow firewall cover and some other goodies. She will get them in June. So dad will continue to update the thread until then, and we will let her see the thread for the first time for her 13th birthday. Then she will have 3 years to finish the project and can also enjoy everyones comments and suggestions.

-MH

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datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #36, 04-20-2011 08:22 AM
      MH:

We love to support our vendors.. take a look here: http://www.fierosails.com/



datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #37, 04-20-2011 08:42 AM
      Oh yea.. before you spend money on the FieroStore arrows... read here: Opinions on Fierostore side "arrowheads"

We <3 The FieroStore.. but sometimes you need to be buyer aware of some of their products.



Larryh86GT MSG #38, 04-20-2011 08:44 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

we were down working on the car to figure out the best way to get them off....unfortunately, wrong directions. Sooo, it was a good opportunity for Kathryn to learn a valuable lesson. After a bit more resaerch we found some better instructions for removal than we had originally and off the panels came.

Instead of putting SE panels back on the car hers will say Kathryn's Fiero in yellow script on a deep tint background. She was pretty excited about these, since it keeps with her yellow and black color scheme as well as making sure that no one will mistake that it is HER CAR!



Breaking the sail panel - been there, done that

Kathryn's Fiero in yellow script - Nice idea - but a suggestion on keeping this HER CAR - put a kill switch in it somewhere. There are a lot of jerks out there that like to steal our little cars.

Larry


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #39, 04-20-2011 08:50 AM
      Thanks DataCop, we ordered her new sails from fierosails.....excellent work and great service. They put some really cool script on the panels for her, and they look great! Can't wait to finish them. Thanks for the link as well for the emblems, we'll look at that too.

Larry, thanks for the kill switch idea!

-MH


dsnover MSG #40, 04-20-2011 09:42 AM
      Many years ago, I was much like your daughter, in that I HAD to have a car at age 12. Of course, the Fiero didn't exist yet, so it was a VW Beetle, which was what I learned to wrench on, including engine rebuilding, transmission work, etc.

Anyway, gotta figure out how to get my girls as interested as your daughter!


Benja MSG #41, 04-20-2011 08:57 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Gall757:


Got a laugh out of that!.....In Michigan?..April?....Sun? DAY or TWO???


Lol, sorry. I have the luxury of waking up everyday and knowing exactly what the weather is going to be like...the same as yesterday. Hot and sunny. I haven't looked at a weather forecast in 3 years, since I moved here from VA.



silver 85 sc (rshjlq@aol.com) MSG #42, 04-20-2011 09:11 PM
      Have fun with this project. My son was 13 when he found his '86 SE with a 4 speed automatic installed and a V6, fully loaded. He is now 18, the car is running and this summer the body work will finally get done. The car has over 230,000 miles on her.

Rich


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #43, 04-21-2011 08:18 AM
      So another day and some more progress to post.

One of the mnost difficult things in getting Kathryn to do and to understand has been, of all things, painting. Now before everyone things that we are recreating the works of the Masters here, or that we are even talking about running complex airguns......nope, just rattlecanning some of the interior parts. We seem to be getting either to close and it runs, or two far away and nothing gets done except to change the color of the old carpet we have down to catch the overspray........or we move the can to fast, or not fast enough. Well you know what they say, practice makes perfect, so she has gotten her fair share of sanding as well :-)

At least she cares that it looks right too. So here she is turning some grey parts yellow:

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Since we were posting some of these photos, I thought I would include a few previous parts that she has completed. One of the fun ones were the side interior panels behind the seats. Especially since she decided that they should be black...not that big of a deal, but that she was pretty sure she wanted the vents to be yellow. After some trial and error, and a few resprays after sanding down some runs etc., here is what she ended up with.

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and a close up:

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Finally,
here is one of the pieces of which she is most proud so far to date. The additional guages above the center stack. SEM Vinyl dye on the outer shell, guages tested before we started, then she had to polish the plastic lens since it was almost trashed! White faces on the gauges, Fusion Sunshine yellow on the bezel, and reassemble. Her she is with the completed pod.

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Now for a quick question. Does anyone have any good suggestions for removing the carpet from the lower section of the door panel? I know, I know....that is what the search function is for!

-MH


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #44, 04-21-2011 08:28 AM
      I really like those B pillars.. they are sharp

As far as the door carpet.. from http://www.mrmikes.com/fierodoorinstall.htm

 
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To apply the Lower leather door leather:

1. Remove the door panel from the car.

2. Remove the old carpet by spraying it with starting fluid spray (the stuff that starts your car in the winter). Do this outdoors, wear a mask and gloves, the dissolved glue will be very sticky. The door panel will also remain sticky, don't lay it down on the grass.

3. Spray glue the cardboard of the door panel (even though it is sticky), and the back of the new lower leather panel.

4. Position the top edge of the leather panel to the bottom of the original vinyl top. Press on.

5. Lift up on the leather, lightly spray the foam with glue, smooth out the leather.

6. Turn the door panel over. Glue and wrap the edges. Trim around the slots for the door panel clips.

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michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #45, 04-24-2011 09:42 PM
      Well, after a long weekend away to visit my parents, Kathryn's grandparents we arrived home in time to get a little bit of work done on the project! Time continues to tick on with just a little over 3 years left until the big birthday, so we need to keep motivated and doing.

Many of the parts that had been sprayed and recoated had cured while we were gone, so that is a good thing. One of the ones that Kathryn has been most proud of has been the seat tracks. If you will remember, they were so rusted together that we ended up having to beat on them with a hammer to get them to move. I was ready to write them off and just look for some decent used ones. Kathryn spent a whole day working on them with a wire wheel, some grease, and an air gun. Her process was to wheel off as much of the rust as she could. Place them in a vise and beat them back and forth with a mallet to get them to move. Then spray them out with an air gun to remove as much crud as she could work loose and do it all over again. At the end of 8 hours, Dad couldn't believe it but she had brought them back from the dead. I guess there is some motivation when you know you either have to fix it or buy new ones. She is trying to save as much as possible, so this was a resounding victory. She also decided to coat these parts so that they wouldn't rust out as quickly. When we came back they were cured, and so here is the result.

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With just a little time before bed we decided to work on cleaning up the dash. Getting this out of the car was NOT FUN! According to Kathryn, and I have to say that Dad agrees, but with a little work and perseverence we managed. It is amazing how much gunk can accumulate in all the little hidden spots over the course of 25 years.

Since Kathryn's color scheme is Black and Yellow, the dash needs to be dyed Black. Her Vinyl dye arrived while we were gone so she is anxious to start on this part of the project. First though is the prep work, so everything has to be completely clean. Here she is working with a towel, some small cleaning clothes and the rubbing alcohol!

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And now for a couple of questions.......

Has anyone ever had and success of removing the material and pocket that is on the dash? If so how have you done it? I know that sometimes individuals start taking off the material on the door panels with starting fluid. Same approach? Suggestions, Ideas, all are welcome. Here is the piece we are talking about.

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Also, how do you seperate the guages from the bracket. As far as I can tell all the screws and bolts are out. The guages are loose in the pod, but I can't seem to figure out how to wiggle them out. Need to get the clear face plate off as well as get the guages out before the housing is dyed black. The guages are going white faced. Again, any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.

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Finally, we will be letting Kathryn see the thread for the first time in a couple of months for her birthday. I am sure she will love seeing all of your comments and encouragement. In June we will let her start responding and asking questions here as well.

--MH


Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #46, 04-24-2011 09:52 PM
      Way to go Kathryn, I can tell this is going to be a nice car when it's done. Good for you doing the work yourself!

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #47, 04-25-2011 01:06 AM
      MH,

If you have not yet.. I *HIGHLY* recommend that you download the entire '86 service manual.. Note: this is the OEM version that the dealers use.. not the chilton's or haynes..

http://www.fieronews.net/fu...nloads.php?cat_id=13

Look here for pictures of the cluster disassembled from the pod for a better idea..

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/087647.html#p14



pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #48, 04-25-2011 01:11 AM
      simply amazing.. i couldn't paint that well if my life depended on it. Its nice to see that kids even her age have an internist in cars especially an older one such as the fiero these cars were made over a decade before she was even around and she still likes them... keep up the good work on it. Still watching this thread in amazement.

pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #49, 04-25-2011 01:13 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:


Now for a quick question. Does anyone have any good suggestions for removing the carpet from the lower section of the door panel? I know, I know....that is what the search function is for!

-MH



This task isant for the faint of heart.... or sober for that matter (no dont hand a 12 year old a beer for god sakes ) i did mine manually with a knife but never finished the recovering. there is some kind of chemical others have used to do it acetone maybe? others will chime in on this.



Ruffy MSG #50, 04-25-2011 09:43 AM
      very nice and very smart kid. i cant believe shes working on her own car and kept her word! most kids say but never do. my 7 year old daughter has a 1973 duster and i told her right out shes going to learn like i did. so i hope she does take interest in the task.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #51, 04-25-2011 09:01 PM
      Ruffy,
thanks for the compliments. What is in the Duster. I have seen a few done up really nice. Not a common restoration either, which makes it even cooler in my opinion.

-MH


Philphine (philphine@webtv.net) MSG #52, 04-25-2011 10:55 PM
      good luck with. with it being her idea i guess she'll be more enthusiastic about it. i tried that with an '84 i picked up. i got it running, then decided i didn't want another project. tried to give it to a couple of my nephews but neither would bite. i ended up giving it away.

fcsmls MSG #53, 04-25-2011 11:50 PM
      Great work on those seat rails -- you may want to invest in a can of PB Blaster for challenges like this. Its an essential part of a Fiero toolkit, and worth every penny it costs.

Those Mr Mike's seats will be a great addition -- just follow the video he sends with them. He gives good guidance on how to rebuild your foam if there is any damage.

Keep up the good work Kathryn -- you're going to have a great ride when its done.

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TONY_C MSG #54, 04-26-2011 02:06 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

Has anyone ever had and success of removing the material and pocket that is on the dash? If so how have you done it? I know that sometimes individuals start taking off the material on the door panels with starting fluid. Same approach? Suggestions, Ideas, all are welcome. Here is the piece we are talking about.




The map pocket is removable, you have to remove the AC duct work and there are four nuts that hold the dash pocket in.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #55, 04-26-2011 02:41 PM
      Thank you Tony! Sounds great, sounds like the girl has some disassembly to work on tonight :-)

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #56, 04-26-2011 02:51 PM
      So,
Here we go with another update of what was accomplished last night.

Of course we had the gauge cluster out since we are working on going to white face gauges....after all, if you are taking it halfway apart, you might as well continue.

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Getting the gauges themselves out of the housing was a bit tricky. Luckily we didn't force anything but spent a little time, made sure we had all the screws and bolts out and......still jammed, A little creative ingenuity, geeeeeentle pressure and a little help from dad and presto!

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Then the clear face plate needed to come off.....

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and then the clear plastic was ready to be polished to get rid of 25 years of scratches and gunk.
We'll be working on the white faces either tonight or tomorrow evening. Anything else that we should know or do while we are already this far into the cluster?

Once that was done we needed to move on to another project. So we moved back to the drivers side door. We got some free black carpet the other day so this was a good time to think about the lower door panels. Kathryn had previously dyed the tops to match her other yellow components. So now it was time to work on the bottoms.

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Thank you to whomever recommended starting fluid as the way to release the carpet from the lower section....this worked a treat! Spray and peel. We of course still need to work on getting off some of the old glue, but Kathryn was very impressed with how easily these sections came off.

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We of course saved the carpeting that came off to serve as a template for the new carpeting.

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for the final project before bed time, we got the first coat of new paint on the sail panels, so they should be dry tonight and ready for a second coat.

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--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #57, 04-27-2011 09:27 AM
      Another day and another update on Kathryn's car.

Last night I had a meeting so we got her started and this is what she managed to get accomplished, this time with a little help from Mom.
After getting the gauges out and disassembled Kathryn was eager to get them cleaned up, white faces installed, and the clear plastic cover polished, and all back together. Having put the white faces on the auxillary gauges earlier, she had a pretty good understanding on how to do this. So off she went. We utilized a simply white face vinyl kit and installed over the top of the existing gauges. It can be kind of tight to get them over the needles. This was especially true for the fuel and temp guages.....but eventually, she managed.

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If you look closely in the following picture you may see a few small wrinkles in the two gauge faces mentioned above, and somehow she has something stuck behind the speedo as well. However, the guages move free, and she did the work on her own. She learned a couple of things in the process and now thinks that there might be a better way to do this. While they might not be perfect, we are definitely accomplishing the goal of an education along the way. Like I told Kathryn, it isn't so much that you get it perfect as it is that you did you best. If you learned that there is a better way to do it as you go then that is even better.


Here she is installing the recently polished gauge lens.

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She cleaned the gauge housing last night, alcoholed and surface prepped it for vinyle dye to that will likely begin happening tonight. Until the housing is dyed and dried, there is nothing further that we can do with the gauge cluster, so on to other endeavors.

One of which was clearning all of the HVAC vents that go back in the dash. Kathryn was pretty disgusted with everything that had accumulated on them, in them, and behind them over the years. Amazingly, this wasn't actually that dirty of a car as you can see from her oritinal purchase photos, and yet grunge still accumulates in the most obscure and impossible to reach places. When it is the first time a car has been torn down completely it is amazing the stuff you will find.

As a complete aside, when pulling the dash apart we found that the car had been at an Ohio State/Michigan game very early in it's life. The parking stub ticket was fouind behind the venting inside the dash....now how in the heck did it get in there?!?! Her car is an 86 SE and was at the 86 game. So we know that the on November 22, 1986 it was in Columbus OH, We still need to find out where it was originally sold and registered. Perhaps it started in OH and has made its way to Michigan, or it was originally a Michigan car that had a fun road trip to the game with its new owners. Either way, the owner(s) were part of a record crowd of 90,674 that watched Michigan 26 beat Ohio St. 24. We'll keep the ticket stub for the scrap book. But I digress.

Here Kathryn is cleaning up the vents.
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And then on to the project that took the remainder of the evening for her. As you will remember when we last left it, Kathryn had stripped the door carpet from the driverside. So that mean that we were ready to build her template, and cut out her new replacement carpet. Unfortunately, I had to be out at a meeting so we didn't get any photos of the work in process, but we did get what she ended up with.

Since we had been very careful with the old carpet removal, Kathryn was able to carefully lay the old carpet out flat on a large piece of pattern paper. After tracing around the old carpet, (Kathryn's comment this morning was that it was a very sticky, icky mess) she was able to cut out a template of the carpet segment. That done it looked like this.

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She then pinned this pattern to some black carpet that we are using for the door panels and some other interior pieces and then carefullly cut out the carpet. That yeilded this.....

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So we are now ready to spray and staple........

She hwas been working pretty hard and learning a lot. I know it is kinda hard being the Dad, you always see things differently than someone from teh outside looking in. There have been some times where of course you get frustrated thinking, "I wish she woudl work on this or on that" "I wish she woudl finish that part" "I woudn't have done this that way" etc., etc., etc. However, I have to say, even being biasedI am pretty proud of how the kiddo is doing so far! If she keeps at it I think she will have a project that she can be pretty proud of. Aside from the updates here we are also working on keeping a scrap book of hte progress. We thought that if she decideds to take it to a show or anything when it is done, it might be impressive for individuals to see just what a 12-16 year old girl can do.

-MH


KaijuSenso MSG #58, 04-27-2011 09:40 AM
      I am definitely impressed but wonder how is this project going to last 4 years if she works so fast!

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #59, 04-27-2011 12:09 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by KaijuSenso:

I am definitely impressed but wonder how is this project going to last 4 years if she works so fast!


She has been working pretty quick....which is a good thing, because not only do we have interior, we have:
Engine
Trans
Aux systems (cooling, air, braking, etc.)
and then Body and Paint.......

She'll be busy! I'm more worried about getting it done by 6/10/14 than getting done to early.....besides, although I'm more of a corvette guy perhaps if we get done early Dad could rebuild one of these for another toy car.....hmmmmm...


-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #60, 04-27-2011 09:46 PM
      So tomorrow I will be in meeting all day and then a soccer all evening with the middle daughter, so I thought I should update on Kathryn's progress for the day. Feels like we actually got quite a bit done.

Due to some good advice from you all (Thank you, thank you, thank you). We quickly disassembled the rest of the dash, by taking out the vent work behind the dash and also removed the map pocket, which was in excellent shape. Still not sure what we might do with that and how we will treat it.....hmmm. A few ideas, but nothing concrete as of yet.
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That got us to the point of being ready to dye the dash in gloss black. This stuff works really well, very pleased with the SEM vinyl dye.

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While that was drying it was time to work on reassembly of some of the bezels, including the ashtray and manual shift boot, end vents for the dash, center vents, and the overhead light console.

And yes, I know that we are perpetuating a false rumor, but Kathryn liked the sticker so what can I say....lol!

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With the bezels and vents reassembled we had some time to go back and work on the carpeting for the door. We managed to test fit the carpet and get it to lay smooth after cleaning off all of the old glue.

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and now it is ready to be reglued.

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We also finished the inital coats of paint on the sail panel frames and they are now ready to be wet sanded. Tomorrow we should be ready to complete the reassembly of the main gauges, we need to reglue some of the center console vinyl that has begun to peel back and strip the other door carpet. Progress continues.

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #61, 04-28-2011 08:37 AM
      We found a good deal on a fuel pump for the Fiero today, so a little more babysitting money will leave Kathryn's account, and another part that desperately needs replaced will be finding it's way to our house. The fun and madness continues.

-MH


Ruffy MSG #62, 04-28-2011 08:52 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:

Ruffy,
thanks for the compliments. What is in the Duster. I have seen a few done up really nice. Not a common restoration either, which makes it even cooler in my opinion.

-MH


Yes the cooool factor of the duster lol. it is a very nice car and not in bad shape. as for motor it had stock a 225 slant six (its second one because i was a moron). not sure what i want to put into it yet. DONT PICK ON ME but i was thinking of just doing a nice V6 in it or even the 5.7 hemi. remember this will be my daughters car not mine. so no indy hemi for this duster lol. but it will be mostly for looks. i will have to see what the future bring before any swap yet with the gas prices. shes only 7 now and 3 more years she will be out there doing body work.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #63, 04-28-2011 10:08 AM
      Ruffy,
No complaints from me at all. A V6 would be fine....a 5.7 would be a lot for a young driver too, I wouldn't overpower it either. Is she excited to work on it? I'm not a huge body work fan, but I'm sure we will be doing more than a little on this project. So any gratuitous photos of your daughters car for us?

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #64, 05-01-2011 09:50 PM
      Another weekend filled with all kinds of activities, but we did manage to get just a little bit done on Kathryn's car again, and since this will be a great way for her to remember the build, I thought I would update what we managed to accomplish this weekend.

1. We managed to get a bit more work done on the interior door skins! In fact, they are finished.....but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. The first thing that we needed to determine was if both doors were mirror images of each other. Using the carpeting that we cut in a previous post we determined that indeed they were the same. This meant that it was time for Kathryn to get to work. So first things first.....we needed to strip the old carpeting. Out came the starting fluid and away she went.

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Once the old carpet was off, it was time to make sure that we had a new piece cut to take it's place....

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While waiting for the panels to dry out and be ready to glue, it was time to see if Mom was available to help with the sun visors....

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That pretty much took care of that day.

By the morning it was time to begin work on test fitting the fixed dash, gauges, and bezels to see how they would look and fit. We had some cracks that needed repaired so needed to make sure that all was well there. These pieces will of course get wrapped up and put in the loft until it is time to completely reassemble the interior. First though it was off to sisters soccer game, and some other family activities.

Once we got home it was late afternoon, but there was still time to glue the new carpet on the door panels in place.

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TA DA!

Then on the the dash.........
Reattaching the defrost vent in the center went easily

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putting the bezel on the gauges

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Seeing what it will all look like in place

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Once completed it was time for bed.

Sunday meant church and visiting with family, but this also meant going to see Uncle Bob and pulling the C4 out of storage. This also means getting a chance to check in on the car in the barn and selecting some new pieces to begin work on at home...Kathryn elected to pull the doors off the car so that we could remove the outer shells, replace the lock solenoids, check on the power windows, clean up all the contacts and mechanicals in the door, and replace the dew wipes, so off the doors came with some help from Uncle Bob and into the truck for the ride howe. (More to follow on this in a later post).

Once we got home there was still a bit of day light so onward with a couple of easy projects for the evening.

Since Kathryn was pretty excited for her sail panels and they have been in various stages of paint throughout the week, we decided to see if we could finish those up. Rather than replace the pontiac arrowheads on the sail panel frames, we had talked about either just painting them yellow in accordance with her color scheme, or some other option. Kathryn decided to try to fill in the arrowhead with a yellow/orange reflector. We made a template and cut and sanded one to match to see how this would look. She was pretty satisfied with the result, and it didn't cost anything, which when you are working with a 12 year old's budget is important.

Then it was time to test fit her new sail windows from FieroSails.com. These were a Christmas present for her this last year, and I must say they did a wonderful job for her!

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Once you know the test is good, it is time to apply them for real...only one shot here cause that tape is sticky!

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She was happy.....what do you all think?

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With the time left in the evening, Kathryn decided to work on removing the Fiero logo from the existing map pocket and put onto yellow interior fabric, for recovering....since the inside of the map pocket will soon be yellow. Here she is working on that.

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and in the meantime she conned Dad into working on sanding rims in preparation for finishing....

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These need A LOT MORE WORK!!!!!

Finally, it was time for bed, but Kathryn had forgotten to open the mail from yesterday......So before bed, she found.....

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A new fuel pump! Thank you UPS Guy, or as he is affectionally known at our house, the Brown Santa Truck Driver.

More updates coming soon, and again, thanks to all of you for your kind words, support, and advice for Kathryn. She will be viewing the thread for the first time in early June.....we wanted to have something here for her to see first, and after that she will be updating and responding too. Thanks to all of you for helping to make her first car restoration so memorable.

--MH


BlackThunderGT MSG #65, 05-01-2011 10:00 PM
      This has become one of my favorite build threads.

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #66, 05-01-2011 10:02 PM
      I'm really impressed with those sail panels.. they came out great!! The yellow reflector arrow thingy was an awesome idea too

Her interior is going to be absolutely amazing when it's done We've not even started on Ternunda's


Benja MSG #67, 05-01-2011 10:20 PM
      I was thinking about you two pulling the fuel tank, replacing the pump and then re-installing it. Then I thought....nah, it's going to get a great paintjob first! If every part gets this kind of attention (and we're sure it will) it will be worth every ounce of effort. The dash looks awesome!

nitroheadz28 MSG #68, 05-01-2011 10:27 PM
      This thread is one of the most inspiring I've ever read on a public forum.. Really, the work is top notch and for a 12 year old to be doing it is astonishing. Makes me want to tear my car apart when I finish finals in 2 weeks and restore it half as well as you guys have.

By the way, what did you use to polish the gauge cluster cover? Thanks.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #69, 05-02-2011 09:06 AM
      WOW! Thanks all for some wonderful replies. It is really cool to know that people are interested and supportive of what she is trying to accomplish. I am pretty proud of her dedication, and committment to the project as well as what she is learning along the way. Most importantly I am pretty proud of the young woman that she is becoming. I can barely wait to show her this thread in about a month with all of your thoughts and ideas as well as your support for her.

Glad it is some of your favorite threads......


Yes, we will definately completely clean and flush the tank while it is out as well as respray it so that it looks good.

Thank you all for the kind compliments on the interior, she has picked out how everything would look, at first I was a bit worried that it might come out looking a bit to peicemeal, but now that I can see how it is looking I'm pretty excited.....I have to tell you all that she is already talking about maybe buying a beater car so that this one doesn't get messed up once it is done....like only getting driven on nice days etc...lol!

Nitro, we used one of those little headlight polishing kits by turtle wax. It does a good job, but you just need to be really patient. If you aren't careful you can end up with more scratches than you start with. We used some old CD cases to practice with until we got the hang of it.

--MH


thismanyfieros (toickle74@hotmail.com) MSG #70, 05-02-2011 01:37 PM
      wow only twelve.. thats a very impressive job well done so far..keep up the great work guys and gals!! tim

bristowb MSG #71, 05-02-2011 05:46 PM
      WOW Great Job!

Jeff S MSG #72, 05-02-2011 07:39 PM
      I am getting a big kick out of this thread. Just wanted to chime in. Awesome.

theBDub MSG #73, 05-02-2011 08:12 PM
      This is amazing! I wish I could do half the things she's accomplishing. Wow! I favorited the thread so I will remember to keep coming back!

marc-alan MSG #74, 05-02-2011 08:30 PM
      Amazing job! Really enjoying this thread and Kathryn's attention to detail. I really like the yellow pontiac emblem

Hulki U. My-BFF (adweigle@hughes.net) MSG #75, 05-02-2011 09:04 PM
      Such motivation and skill at a young age! You guys are doing a fantastic job, and I can only imagine what the end result will look like. MORE MORE MORE!!!

MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #76, 05-02-2011 10:04 PM
      I love this thread. Great work and a great way for you to be in your daughter's life.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #77, 05-09-2011 08:29 AM
      Sorry for the long delay in reposting, been crazy with everything. Trying to get ready for a business trip for a few weeks, wrapping up some yard work, etc. You all know how life gets in the way of living sometimes....lol! Anyway, not to fear, you should not think that work and progress has stopped.

Over the last week we have made some progress, and had some set backs as well. Unfortunately, the pictures will have to follow later tonight with more details. However, a few things that have moved forward.

1. We spent a good portion of one evening, boxing up parts that are "done" and ready to go back in the car when we get that far. Also, getting them organized and out of every room in the house and into only one room.

2. Cleaned up the firewall, Kathryn is still debating how she wants to recover this. What she doesn't know is that she has a yellow firewall cover coming from Mr. Mike for her birthday.

3. Sprayed the wheels- here is the disappointment. These did NOT come out as we wanted at all. They came out ok, but not great. So they might be being restripped and done again.....the verdict is still out on that one.

4. Map pocket has been recovered.....absolute PAIN to get right. Kathryn sewed her logo onto the new cover at least 3 times before it was right, we recut the material at least twice, just plain crazy......someone above mentioned attention to detail....wait till you see this on the dash.....amazing, but more work than one would think. Anyway, she is happy with it now so I guess that is the main thing.

5. Most of the console vinyle has now been glued and prepped, and is ready for dye. Kudo's to whoever discovered the Gorilla Glue and binder clip approach, and thnanks to those who shared it here. This has worked better than we could have imagined.

6. Power mirrors are off the doors.

7. Doors are ready to get the guts stripped out of them. We have new lock solenoids to go in, and new power lock switches. We need to order new dew wipes.....DIYSTU, we are coming to you. We'll clean up the insides and check the PW morots etc. Thinking that they will be ok once they are cleaned up a bit.

8. New Headliner and glue is here, so that will be ready to go together soon, Kathryn' still needs to clean that up a bit prior to the new material going on the potato chip. Since her's is a sunroof car, that headliner board is brittle, so we are taking out time with that.

9. Have headlight kit to rebuild her stripped out gear. Trying to debate whether to just fix the one that isn't working, or repaire the gears in both of them while they are out of the car. Thoughts?

10. Dad just ordered a new toy to help with the rest of the project and got a new blast cabinent and blaster.....hmmmm should be here soon.

So that is where we are so far. I will try to get some photos of the progress up this evening.

-MH


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #78, 05-09-2011 09:03 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by michhiker28:
10. Dad just ordered a new toy to help with the rest of the project and got a new blast cabinent and blaster.....hmmmm should be here soon.

-MH


Dad is going to LOVE his new toy.. Make sure Kathryn gets some blast time too

One thing with the blast cab.. they require a *LOT* of air to use.. I have a craftsman 6hp 33 gallon compressor.. and with my blast cab running full bore I can maintain 90lbs of pressure in the tank..



A little pancake compressor or a "portable" one won't be able to keep up with the cab.. you'll find yourself constantly waiting for the compressor to build up pressure again.

Oh.. one other thing.. get a canister line filter and put it as close to the compressor as possible.. I have mine in between the air hose and the blast cab inlet. You'll be surprised how much water that thing will collect (I have another line filter at the compressor too). Water and Alum Oxide (or whatever medium you use) don't mix.


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #79, 05-09-2011 09:46 AM
      All I really want to know is if Kathryn is available to work on my cars?

An excellent project for a very cool daughter! You do realize that cool daughters are reared by cool parents. Congratulations on both counts.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #80, 05-09-2011 09:57 AM
      Thanks DataCop, we'll do that. We're setting up the cabinent in my BIL's barn and he has a big compressor, so we should be all set. Thanks for the advice and kind words all.

Also if anyone would like to see Kathryn's website it is here www.myfiero.webs.com

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #81, 05-09-2011 10:09 PM
      Thanks Blackrams,
I think that the daughter is probably cooler than I am, but I'm lucky....she still likes for me to hang around with her, so what dad can complain about that right?

As promised here are some of the photos of the latest progress.

The wheels have been an absolute nightmare. I'm about ready to chuck it in, get them as good as we can and call them winter wheels and then look for either a nice set of the GT lace wheels in black, or a nice set of 16" aftermarkets for her for the summer. We'll see though I guess. It is harder when you are spending her money. We'll see what comes about. After all she might not need winter wheels. After spending this kind of time and effort on the project she is already talking about buying a "beater" car for when it isn't nice out and taking to school. She is already worried about people scratching it or hurting it......I guess that is what you get when she pours her heart and soul in, so I can't complain about that either. Anyway, here are the wheels.

First step was the prep...

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Then it was yellow on the PONTIAC on the spoke.

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Then mask and clay that off, and on to primer the whole wheel

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Then on to the black.......

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Perhaps the one piece that has taken a significant amount of time was the recovering of the map pocket. Kathryn resewed the Fiero emblem to the new yellow material at least 3 times before we got it right with some help from Mom. Then we needed to get it on the map pocket frame. The results however look pretty good I think.

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That meant that the dash was all ready to go back together...so here is Kathryn putting the whole think back together.

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and the final product......

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We have also been gluing the vinyl on the center console so that that has involved a lot of clamping, stretching, and painting....

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and finally the headliner.....the most recent project.....

First of course you have to clean off all the old foam backing etc. Kathryn still can't believe how much "grunge" accumulates in 25 years.....lol! But she likes the reward of seeing all the nice bright, shiny, and nice restored pieces.

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Once the old is cleaned off it is time to layout the new liner

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Then the scary part...time to glue it all in place on the front, turn it over and glue the edges....

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and Ta Da!!!! it looks like this....

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Flip it over and.....

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And then it is time for Kathryn to head off to bed.....

Hope you all have a great night, thanks for reading, and for helping to make Kathryn's build experience memorable.

-MH


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #82, 05-09-2011 10:25 PM
      This is such a cool thread. Thanks for sharing it with us.



Nexus (cmarson@vianet.ca) MSG #83, 05-09-2011 11:19 PM
      This thread was posted on another forum I frequent a lot. I just wanted to say that the work that has been done is great and encouraging for me because my Son is getting close to the age needing to start a project for when he's old enought to drive.

I am very impressed and look forward to following the thread as it matures.

a round of applause is in order indeed

Great work Kathryn

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Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #84, 05-10-2011 08:45 AM
      Awesome Project. I plan on doing the same with my daughter. at 4 she is already helping daddy with the oil changes and air filter changes I would recommend having the wheels powder coated. Much more durable then paint and they end up looking great I can find a custom coater in your area if you want.

Joe N.



Benja MSG #85, 05-10-2011 08:46 AM
      I would be smiling like that too if I had 5 bottles of Vino to my left.

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #86, 05-10-2011 08:50 AM
      What glue did you use in glueing all the console bits back together??? I am going ot need to accomlish this as well...and soon!

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #87, 05-10-2011 09:24 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by johnyrottin:

What glue did you use in glueing all the console bits back together??? I am going ot need to accomlish this as well...and soon!


Gorilla Glue... The only one for this job


ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #88, 05-10-2011 11:27 AM
      Looks Good!

Just a lil tip on that head liner (and you may already know of it); when you cut the opening for the sunroof, just make an "X" in the opening. Do not cut the X all the way to the corners. Once the headliner is installed, you can trim off what you do not need. Just remember, the edges tuck-in and the trim piece covers the seam. I have seen too many ppl not leave enough of an edge when they cut the opening for the sunroof; make a perfect recover look hacked...


GADJet MSG #89, 05-10-2011 01:18 PM
      I am very impressed with the determination she has put into this. You as well dad. I find this thread very appealing to me as my 5 year old girl claims my 86 coupe as "Her" car and she helps me work on it. Handing me wrenches etc... When I need a buddy to help me or aid me with company she is the one I look for. Now granted she is 5 and her attention span isnt the greatest but she loves to help daddy work on "Her" car. The best part of this whole ordeal is the bonding time you spend with your kids. Michhiker, I do however see that you have more than 1 more to build. You apparently will have to work on 3 more. 2 more children and the one for yourself! LOL

Great work Kathryn keep up the determination, you have a fantastic car already. It can only get better. Thumbs up to dad also for taking the time to do this with his children. Love this thread!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #90, 05-10-2011 01:21 PM
      Again,
Thanks all. I think tonight we will work a bit on the headlight motor assemblys, and putting the center console back together.

ALJR, thanks for that tip on the headliner, it will be put to good use!

Johnny, Data is correct, we used gorilla glue and those office binder clips...works great except you need to be careful with the clips, sometimes they slip off real easily...make sure you have them right where you want them and then leave them to sit where they won't be disturbed until the glue sets up.

Kento, YES! If you know a good custom powdercoater in our area we are all ears. We are in Mid Michigan, Mt Pleasant, Midland, Alma area would be great.

Nexus, where else did you see the thread since we are only posting here and at www.myfiero.webs.com......would love to know if it got picked up somewhere else too.

-MH


N3M3S1S (n3m3s1s.357@gmail.com) MSG #91, 05-10-2011 10:35 PM
      Such an awesome job! I'm hoping to get my 13 year old Niece into a Fiero for her first car, she already loves mine. Keep it up!

reholmes (reh@reholmes.com) MSG #92, 05-11-2011 07:44 PM
     
 
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Go Chippewas! MS Bus '81



Danyel MSG #93, 05-11-2011 07:56 PM
      You have a PM



Fierfly (sharons575@gmail.com) MSG #94, 05-11-2011 08:47 PM
     
 
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Very cool! l...You GO girl!!

BUT Be aware... that yellow defrost grille thingy between the speaker covers will cause a glaring reflection in the windshield in bright light. Mine was like that when I bought it and we temporarily painted it (in place) black with acrylic artists paint on a foam chip brush... just to reduce the glare until we could replace the dash.

You can get a glimpse of the glare (if you can see past the glare from the speaker covers, ugh!) on the third pic:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...502-1-076837.html#p0



Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #95, 05-12-2011 07:27 AM
      PM Sent about the Powder coating for the Wheels.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #96, 05-12-2011 12:15 PM
      PM's recieved and responded to. I will be in and out for the next couple of weeks on Business but Kathryn will be continuing to work on the project. I will update with what happens from time to time and then there will be a big update in about two weeks.

Hopefully the Mr Mikes seats and some other pieces are here in time for her Birthday, so it could make for a very fun after Birthday update!

-MH


Fierochic88 (jgoss825@gmail.com) MSG #97, 05-13-2011 02:48 PM
      What a great story. My dad and I worked on my 85GT (aka The Blue Demon) during my entire final year in college. There is a build thread for it on here, although it needs to be updated as many things have happened since I last posted. I started working on cars with my dad when I was young. He didn't have any boys and often needed a spare set of hands. I didn't really get into it until I was 18 and a freshman in college, but I met a lot of great people through cars, especially Fieros. I also think it helped to keep me out of trouble because that's what I spent my money on!

~ Jennifer


Vernon8360 MSG #98, 05-13-2011 08:12 PM
      We need one more picture to show the finished wheel. Left me hanging with a nice coat of black paint but all the masking still in place. It has to look very good with the yellow letters.....show me the letters!

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #99, 05-27-2011 07:20 PM
      bump to keep it alive

pete 2m4 (fiero2m4@verizon.net) MSG #100, 05-27-2011 08:51 PM
      Incredible story!!!!!! So refreshing to see young kids taking a interest in something worthwhile. I learned a few tricks from her myself. Keep up the EXCELLENT WORK!!!!!!!
A TRUE FIERO OWNER!!!!! We can all learn something from her project!!!!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #101, 05-31-2011 01:46 PM
      Sorry all for a long delay in updating. I was out of the country for a while with a group of students from the University. Since Kathryn will not know about this thread for a couple of more weeks it meant that it went without updates until I got back. My apologies. I will post some photos of the work done in the meantime. We are getting there slowly but surely. It is another 10 days until Kathryn's birthday so if any of you would like to wish her a happy 13th, please feel free to do so on here and we will be sharing this with her on June 10th, her birthday.

She will have a few fiero related presents to open we hope.....including a new set of Mr. Mikes seats in yellow and black to install. So it should make for a pretty exciting day. More updates coming soon.

-MH


TopNotch MSG #102, 05-31-2011 02:00 PM
      Cool thread!
I have a 4-year old grand daughter. Should I be thinking about a Fiero for her?


JamesCurtis (jamie.curtis.04@gmail.com) MSG #103, 05-31-2011 03:23 PM
      Awesome thread, it makes me want to run out and start restoring my interior that I've been neglecting for a while. The attention to detail on these parts is amazing and I would be thrilled to come close to creating that cool of an interior, at 25 years old . Keep up the good work, I will definitely be watching this thread!

P.S. - Happy birthday when you see this!



MattMan MSG #104, 05-31-2011 04:02 PM
      Kathryn,

Happy 13th birthday when you finally read this thread!

This has been a cool thread to follow, her work has given me some ideas for my own interior and it is great to see someone so dedicated to their car. Keep up the great work on the Fiero!


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #105, 05-31-2011 10:43 PM
      Kathryn,
Happy Birthday there young lady. Please take note that although we won't be attending your birthday party, we all wish we could share in the cake.
BTW, I like ice cream with my cake.



GADJet MSG #106, 06-01-2011 12:09 AM
     
 
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Originally posted by MattMan:

Kathryn,

Happy 13th birthday when you finally read this thread!

This has been a cool thread to follow, her work has given me some ideas for my own interior and it is great to see someone so dedicated to their car. Keep up the great work on the Fiero!


X2 to this post! I hope you have a wonderful birthday and I hope Mom and Dad are as estatic about it as you are. Have a blessed day and enjoy those moments you get with your dad and mom. They go faster than you realize. You have one cool car and set of parents.


G_Reaper (cody.okimaw@live.ca) MSG #107, 06-01-2011 01:28 AM
      First of all Kathryn, I would like to say a great big happy birthday to you. I have a cousin your age and she just had a birthday as well (though as much as I would like I think she prefers swimming and shopping more than having any real interest in cars let alone Fiero's Now continuing on I want you to know how inspiring it has been to watch you breathe life back into your Fiero and at the same time adding your own personal touch. It's altogether too uncommon to see this sort of thing and the rare ones that come along are really special. I hope that in the coming years once I have a more steady lifestyle to make it to some of the US Fiero events and I hope to see you and your car at at least one of those.

For now, your biggest fans in Canada (Besides Danyel & Black Widow.. **shakes fist**),

Cody & Reaper


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #108, 06-01-2011 08:17 PM
      Well, here is a really brief update:

So after getting some of the vinyl reglued it was time for dye. The results are included here:

The main front console around the stereo and air

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The vinyl around the ashtrays and stick

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The main console with the door and the vents....it isn't put together all the way yet, but at least you can see how it is going to look once it is all put together.

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And finally, here are two of the wheels done. Still not perfectly happy with them, but we'll see......She is still thinking about whether she is happy with them or if it will be redone.

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Soon we will be starting the brakes and we need to work on the headlights motor rebuilds yet. Almost 1 week to her birthday!

--MH


Vernon8360 MSG #109, 06-01-2011 08:53 PM
      Thanks for the wheel pictures. Nice to see the finished product and I think they turned out nicely. You mentioned Mr Mikes seats being on order for 6 weeks. I'd give them a friendly call and ask what's up. Then you'll know! I mean, you are under enough stress with a daughter turning 13. That being said, if her 12th year is ANY indication of the future, you are going to revel in her teen years. Be prepared to brag.....quietly but proudly.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #110, 06-02-2011 07:50 AM
      Thanks for the kind words Vernon,
I did give Mike a call and he has promised delivery in time for next Friday 6/10 so we should be all set....I hope. I think she will be excited to see the seats....and some of the other cool items :-)

-MH


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #111, 06-02-2011 08:09 AM
      she could come work at my shop anytime I am sure she would out do the guys.
great to see younger people intrested in working on cars rather than just trashing them.
D.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #112, 06-02-2011 09:15 AM
      Whodeanie,
She has seen some of your work. The fact that you even thought some of her stuff was ok will make her day as much as it has made mine. Thanks for stopping by to say hey and wish her luck. It means a lot, and you guys are the bestest!

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #113, 06-02-2011 09:36 PM
      Well another night, another update. Not a lot got done today, but at least some progress is better than no progress. I am sure that once Kathryn is done with school for the summer things will move a long a bit better, but for now we take what we can get. She of course still needs to have time for homework, and friends, and fun, so we don't want to push her to hard or too fast either. As long as it stays a fun project that will be a good thing.

Tonight we got a few things done..

One of the first things we learned is that they way she was planning on finishing the visors is NOT going to work.....hmmmm, back to the drawing board, but Kathryn and Mom have some ideas for this so we will leave them to it. Sometimes you learn more from what doesn't work than what does. I am excited to see what solutions they come up with.

Once we realized that was a no go we ended up working a bit on the sunroof trim. It needed cleaned....bad! It also needs to by dyed black. So Kathryn did some scrubbing and cleaning with the alcohol and then it was time to go to with the spray cans.

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We also pulled the bad headlight from the car to see if it is a just a gear or if it is a motor. Once we got it out of the car we need to get into the housing so it was down with the spray cans and up with the wrenches and sockets.

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The short version is it looks like a complete motor....the winding looks fried. While we were there though Kathryn was NOT impressed with the surface rust on the bolts....no rust on my car is her motto.......so when she saw this she about flipped.

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and that means it was time to break out the wire wheel

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Which in turn yields this

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and then it is time to respray them

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Anyway you look at it, working on Fieros is fun, and never a waste of time :-)

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Until next time

--MH


J-Holland (j-holland2@cox.net) MSG #114, 06-02-2011 09:46 PM
      First, I have to say Happy Birthday Kathryn. Secondly, I am so jealous of your wheels. They look fantastic. Everything you've done so far is fantastic. Keep it up and I can't wait to see what you do next.

Jim

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MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #115, 06-02-2011 09:52 PM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn, you have been doing some excellent work. Keep it up and you will have an extremely nice car. Hope to meet you and your dad sometime, since we don't live too far away. You might want to check out the Capital City Fiero Club and maybe even come to some of the meetings. You can bring your dad along if you want to.

Mark


Vernon8360 MSG #116, 06-03-2011 03:26 PM
      Happy 13th Birthday Kathryn. You are doing a wonderful job on your car and the experience you're getting from this project will prove to be useful on almost any project you choose to tackle for most of your life. I think you and your parents should seriously consider an adventure to the Tyler Shipman show.....you know as a birthday gift. See some of the country, meet some Fiero fans and their cars. No Fiero needed to attend. EVERYBODY on PFF discused it and we ALL think it's a great idea.

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ULTRA-kV6 (dragonfly_7kc@yahoo.com) MSG #117, 06-03-2011 08:03 PM
     
 
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Originally posted by Fierfly:
Very cool! l...You GO girl!!

BUT Be aware... that yellow defrost grille thingy between the speaker covers will cause a glaring reflection in the windshield in bright light. Mine was like that when I bought it and we temporarily painted it (in place) black with acrylic artists paint on a foam chip brush... just to reduce the glare until we could replace the dash.

You can get a glimpse of the glare (if you can see past the glare from the speaker covers, ugh!) on the third pic:

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i agree, that yellow would give off an awful glare. I did mine in silver once. It was repainted gray the next day. And if ya really want the dash to pop, cover those speaker grills with yellow material. All things said, you're doin a fantastic job!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #118, 06-03-2011 08:19 PM
      Thank you all for the warning on the glare of the vent. We'll put it in and wheel it out in the sun and see how bad it is....We sure don't want it to distract from a young drivers ability to see. We have some time to fix it, luckily, if it is bad. We are almost all done with interior, just need to figure out what she is doing with audio etc. We'll be pulling suspension in the next few weeks and starting to work on that and the brakes. Right now she is looking for some more power as well, so thinking about letting her do a 3.4 swap. Thoughts?

Also, just got the email that the seats for her birthday next Friday are shipping from MrMikes. He did an absolute bang up job, and I can't wait to see them in person. Even better, I can't wait to see Kathryn's face when she opens them! We'll make sure to take some cool photos of that!

There will be some definite surprises for her in a week! Anyway, here is the photo that Mike sent along of her seats. You'll see the yellow and black theme continues......



--MH


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #119, 06-03-2011 10:53 PM
      Check yer PMs.



nitroheadz28 MSG #120, 06-03-2011 11:05 PM
      Wow, those seats make me . Happy birthday Kathryn!! I'm really jealous of the progress hehe.

Valkyrie (chris@crabb.ca) MSG #121, 06-03-2011 11:56 PM
     
 
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This!

This has got to be my one of favorite body styles for the Fiero, and that picture is just the perfect angle to show it off. Can't wait to see what it looks like when all's said and done. Those rims are going to look great!

Also, I just kinda ripped through the thread and didn't notice, perhaps I missed it, but I'll ask anyway. Is she planning on leaving the body black or is it going to get some new colour as well?

Anyhow, keep up the good work kiddo (and pappa bear!), nice thread!

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Black Widow (danyelpotvin@videotron.ca) MSG #122, 06-04-2011 12:42 AM
      Happy Birthday Katherine !!!!

Once your fiero is completely redone take pictures and my husband " Danyel " will make you a "siggy" to use here on PFF. In the meantime we have sent you a small presents to encourage you to keep working hard on your car. Your father has probably given it to you ... also you have a Tyler Shipman show shield included in the box we sent ... you can read all about him here. http://www.tylerstoy.com His mother is also a member on PFF her nick is " nellieship ". Take time to read his story.

Dont forget to post pics of you swapping them in ...... Hope to see you one day in person with your fiero.. Your parents are really great people ... take care of them too.

your canadian friends

Hélène & Danyel

PS Danyel is very busy on the Widow and is away from this forum for a little while.... he sends best wishes too for your birthday

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michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #123, 06-04-2011 07:53 AM
      Thanks all! We are now less than one week away from the big 13th birthday. I am so excited to share with Kathryn not only her presents, but also all of your thoughts and well wishes. I know she is just going to love reading all of this, and then contributing, so the fun starts on 6/10 :-)

Valkyrie, good catch, I don't know that we have shared her plans for the body color. She is looking at a gloss black (which means a lot of sanding and prep, since the car as it currently exists is a rattle can black over top of an originally red car, it was horribly done and is peeling off in sheets) with yellow racing stripes down the middle.

We are off to pick up a bunch of parts that we found online today, some new door skins, suspension pieces, a coupld of other body panels, wiring, etc. We'll see what all kinds of goodies we find and will of course update with some photos. Hope everyone has a great day!

-MH


carnut122 MSG #124, 06-04-2011 10:26 AM
      I'm impressed! I teach 7th graders. This year was the first year that I came across a female student who had changed the oil on a car (her dad's 69 Mustang). She could also talk classic cars better than any of the 50+ males I taught this year. I wish your daughter luck. PM me if you need some spare parts ( I have about 1/2 of a parts cars stored) as I'd be happy to help her with her project.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #125, 06-04-2011 09:07 PM
      Thanks Carnut, we will definitely keep that generous offer in mind! Today we didn't get as much done as we had hoped, but we did get to see Kathryn's little sister play a heck of a game in goal today, so it wasn't a total loss.

We started this morning pulling the passenger side door apart. There is a bit of rust that needs cleaned up, nothing major, and we are changing out the lock solenoids, cleaning the window motors, replacing the door skin on the passenger side, and we'll see how good or not the glass is. At least that is the plan. We didn't get it all done but will finish working on some of that tomorrow too. Here are some pictures of Kathryn at work. At least it was sunny and warm out.

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A few of the torx bolts out and then it was off to drive to the game......

When we got back we still had some time before dinner and Dad had found an individual that had some parts for sale on craigslist, incuding what was supposed to be a pretty good console skeleton. Since we NEED one of these, and he also supposedly had a door skin that we could use we decided to drive the hour to go look at it. When we got there he had quite a few Fiero parts so Kathryn made him a deal for the whole lot. She figured that maybe she could swap or sell some of the parts she didn't need to fund those that she still does. So here is SOME of what she came up with.....good thing we took the truck :-)



The entire back of the crew cab was filled with stuff as well......She is turning my shed into a fiero junkyard!
Here are a bunch of spare that we probably don't need, but they came with the sale so no complaints



We can sure use that door skin though


Yes, that is scratch free window glass, for both the drivers side and the passenger side.....hmmmmm, We'll have to see how good her existing glass is. I've heard these are hard to find....


Look what else we found in the boxes.....a console that has not split with the sun and that the vinyl is not all pulled away and in need of reglue. Amazing



Yep, and a spare sunroof that is in really good shape



An extra dash that is also in really nice condition



But most importantly
The console skeleton


Not perfect, but a lot better than what she had. So no complaints there at all. We also found new armrests....long story short, but initially she tried to paint the vinyl instead of dyeing it. That is NOT a smart thing to do. We "fixed" her error, but starting again from scratch with these is probably a better idea.

We ended up with a lot of extra trim pieces, switch gear, bezels, etc. Much of which she has already gone through and cleaned up from her car so we won't have uses for it. But some of the finds in the boxes were well worth the trip. It was a fun road trip and rewarding since we found some of the items that we needed.

--MH


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #126, 06-04-2011 09:18 PM
      May I suggest that you'd better be careful, these cars and their owners have turned many a shop and garage into Fiero Parts Bins.



Formula88 MSG #127, 06-04-2011 11:58 PM
      It's the Home Fiero Hobby Kit!

Some assembly required.


RandomTask (jguer003@odu.edu) MSG #128, 06-05-2011 02:25 AM
      Needs more LS1. . .

donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #129, 06-05-2011 08:03 AM
      It never hurts to have spare parts when you're a Fiero owner!

sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #130, 06-05-2011 02:41 PM
      How's the shape of that e-brake boot? I'm in need of one!

I read through this entire thread during my spare time over the weekend. You have a smart young woman on your hands! My dad bought my Fiero "for" me when I was 12, and officially handed over the title this past April, my golden 23rd birthday. I've helped him here and there with this car and various other projects over the years. The first time I got my hands very dirty with her was Memorial Day weekend when we replaced the defunct clutch. Hard work but very worth it when done. I am sure Kathryn will feel the same way with all of her hard work! I am looking forward to her (and your) progress on this "little" project.

For Kathryn: Happiest of birthdays to you! I look forward to having your comments on this thread. Best of luck to you with this endeavor. I am sure you will be very successful and will learn a lot through all of this. Enjoy this quality time with your dad, too; I love nothing more than spending time in the shop with my father. It gets few and far between as you get older so hang on to it while you can! Thanks to spending so much time with my dad he has become my best friend and I wouldn't change that for the world. I hope you are as lucky as I am (though, from the sounds of it, you definitely are)!


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #131, 06-05-2011 04:24 PM
      When putting in that new console skeleton and console, be sure to eliminate the little bulbs for the ash trays and the one for the cigar lighter. They create a lot of heat and will eventually cause separation of the shift surround and the console above the cigar lighter. Those bulbs are useless anyway.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #132, 06-05-2011 09:46 PM
      Thanks for the heads up regarding the lights under the console, we will make sure to remove them. Today we got a bit done after church.

The trim strip that goes around the sunroof has been cleaned and dyed ready to reinstall



Kathryn cleaned up the anchor belts for the seatbelts, they were a bit rusted down by the attachment points. The vinyl will still need dyed etc. but at least they are on the way. Kathryn cleaned them up with the wire wheel then primed than and got the first coat of paint on the anchor points.







We also got the headlight motor apart, and surprise, surprise, the bumpers were all disintegrated into dust. We need finish getting it apart and cleaned up then back together. We have the rebuild kit so are all set there, but it looks like we will need new motor brushes...anyone have an idea of where we could find them?





We also managed to get the new armrests cleaned up....glued and clamped. They should be ready to be dyed tomorrow.



Finally,
we started to get the door apart further. New switch gear, lock solenoids, and window motors to go in, as well as outside dew wipes, and a new door skin.





Now that we are getting into the more mechanical aspects the learning curve steepens for both Kathryn and Dad, but we continue to make progress and that is the main thing.

-MH



snowblindburd (dissimulated@hotmail.com) MSG #133, 06-05-2011 10:07 PM
      It's so awesome that you two are working on this together! Great job so far to both of you!

IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #134, 06-05-2011 10:21 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:


Now that we are getting into the more mechanical aspects the learning curve steepens for both Kathryn and Dad, but we continue to make progress and that is the main thing.

-MH


So far this project is great. As far as the learning curve, I will give you some simple advice since you have the doors torn apart. Definately change the window slider pads in the door. They stabilize the glass when it goes up and down. If the felt is worn, that is why the glass gets scratches in it. Also, here is a really obvious part that is often overlooked. On the outside of the door is an adjustable stop-screw that allows the door skin to be mounted correctly and then the skin is screwed on to the car via this part. Make sure the stop-screw is not unscrewed too much....even from the factory....or your door skin will buldge in the middle:


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #135, 06-05-2011 10:38 PM
      If you've never had a headlight motor apart, a word of advice. Note the white spot on the motor windings. Mark the side of the motor case that white spot goes into and leave the white silicone spot there for reference. If you should pull the motor completely out of both case halves and put it back, turned the other way, the motor will run backwards. I made the mistake on one and when I turned them on, one came up and the other went down. Turned them off and they reversed positions. No fun to have to go back and do them over again.

One other thing: Get that lady some safety glasses

[This message has been edited by fierofool (edited 06-05-2011).]

datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #136, 06-06-2011 04:54 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

One other thing: Get that lady some safety glasses



+1

I have half a dozen pair sitting around my garage.. always easy to grab a set should they be needed...

And to me, they are needed any time a power tool is being used where swarf is being generated at high speed (wire wheel, grinder, cutting wheel)..
any time there's a chance of falling debris (working under the car)...
or when working with a hammer and impact tool (chisel and punches - They can mushroom on the head and the mushroom bits can fly off when struck with a hammer).


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #137, 06-06-2011 08:06 AM
      Thanks again all for the help! It is appreciated. Just to put everyones mind at ease.....Kathryn has a good pair of safety glasses, you can see them in some of the other pictures above.....she had just finished with the wire wheel and was removing the part from the vise when I snapped that photo. They are just out of sight on the workbench. I love her, but if she touches power tools without the glasses she gets in trouble and she knows it.....she holds me accountable too.

Thanks for the added reinforcement though as well. You will never find us to proud to take advice or to learn that there are better, easier, or safer ways to do things.

--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #138, 06-08-2011 07:29 AM
      Well just a brief update, with a couple of more days until the big 13th birthday. Last night we went and got the front calipers removed and the brakes drained. We also set up the new sand blaster which might be Kathryn's new favorite tool.



and we also started to place the underlayment for the new carpeting.



--MH


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #139, 06-08-2011 07:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

We also set up the new sand blaster which might be Kathryn's new favorite tool.





Hey!! That looks familiar!! She enjoys the sandblaster now.. but give it time.. I'm sure like Brooke she will grow to hate it.. ESP when it comes time to blast clean those suspension parts that are going to come off


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #140, 06-08-2011 08:04 AM
      Yeah DataCop, we stole your idea. That things works great though! Never had a nice blast cabinet to play with before, so it is nice. We managed to clean up the air cleaner canister, the prop rod for the hood, and the back deck vents last night. Powder coater is on the way so that will be another cool tool to play with. Kathryn also managed to get new grommets and plugs in the floors before putting down the first layer of foam to even out the floor prior to carpet. We didn't get as far last night as I would have liked, but at least we did make some progress.

I am sending a PM your way, if you would be willing to share some information.

-MH


snowblindburd (dissimulated@hotmail.com) MSG #141, 06-08-2011 10:28 PM
      Yum, sandblaster and powder coating gun. Two of my favorite shop items!

crosshead4 (crosshead4@aol.com) MSG #142, 06-08-2011 10:38 PM
      It's great to see a 13 yr old interested in cars, most are just typing on their phones.
As to the headlight motors, ive rebuilt a bunch of them and the only way I know of to
get good brushes is to get more old motors and find some that are good. The plastic gears and the brushes are the two
parts that wear out the most.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #143, 06-09-2011 08:00 AM
      Thanks. Yeah, the bumpers in this motor are gone, but the nylon gears are actually still in pretty good shape. We have new bumpers, new gears, but....no new brushes which in this case is what is needed......grrr.......Oh well, we at least still have some time....lol, it's not like the car is off the road because of this.

Anyway, for those of you that are keeping track tomorrow is the official big 13 Birthday, so tomorrow evening Kathryn will be opeing up a lot of new fiero parts from friends and family, and a few on the forum too. We'll make sure to take lots of photos and post them up as well. This will also be the first time that Kathryn has the opportunity to see this thread and realize how many people are following her build and wishing her luck. If you haven't done so yet, please feel free to chime in with happy birthday wishes. She will probably be looking at the thread tomorrow 6/10 at about 6PM EST so you have until then if you would like to send her a happy birthday.

Also, if you would like to visit her personal website she will be seeing that for the first time tomorrow as well, and you can see that at

www.myfiero.webs.com

Thanks to all of you again for your advice, support, and encouragement. I know she is going to love seeing it and being a part of your great group!

--MH


Carcenomy MSG #144, 06-09-2011 08:22 AM
      Project is coming along fantastically well, it's already looking nicer than either of my Fieros! Happy birthday Kathryn, keep up the good work!

ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #145, 06-09-2011 12:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

and we also started to place the underlayment for the new carpeting.



--MH


May I make a suggestion?
It looks like your using some sort of foam for the underlayment? Wool works 100x's better; as it will last ALLOT longer and will not get moldy if wet...


Richjk21 MSG #146, 06-09-2011 07:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Thanks. Yeah, the bumpers in this motor are gone, but the nylon gears are actually still in pretty good shape. We have new bumpers, new gears, but....no new brushes which in this case is what is needed......grrr.......Oh well, we at least still have some time....lol, it's not like the car is off the road because of this.

Anyway, for those of you that are keeping track tomorrow is the official big 13 Birthday, so tomorrow evening Kathryn will be opeing up a lot of new fiero parts from friends and family, and a few on the forum too. We'll make sure to take lots of photos and post them up as well. This will also be the first time that Kathryn has the opportunity to see this thread and realize how many people are following her build and wishing her luck. If you haven't done so yet, please feel free to chime in with happy birthday wishes. She will probably be looking at the thread tomorrow 6/10 at about 6PM EST so you have until then if you would like to send her a happy birthday.

Also, if you would like to visit her personal website she will be seeing that for the first time tomorrow as well, and you can see that at

www.myfiero.webs.com

Thanks to all of you again for your advice, support, and encouragement. I know she is going to love seeing it and being a part of your great group!

--MH


First and foremost - Happy Birthday Kathryn!!!

Second as far as the headlight motor brushes - Rodney Dickman used to sell new ones, but no longer does (I think I got the last set he had). In addition to looking for donor motors to scavenge from, there is one other possible source. Some cadillac (91-93) power antenna motors use brushes that are nearly identical. It is talked about in this thread

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...090219-2-088014.html


Rich


bobrpm MSG #147, 06-09-2011 09:01 PM
      Wow, that's a really nice garage where you're keeping that Fiero. Is that your uncle's garage? You must have the best uncle in the history of uncles. Oh, and the work you're doing to your car is pretty awesome, too. Happy Birthday, Kathryn. We're all very proud of you. Now if I could just get you to do some work to my car.......

-Uncle Bob


americasfuture2k MSG #148, 06-10-2011 03:00 AM
      she is gonna have a badass looking car for highschool. the other kids will be jealous. even the ones driving their new heavy and underpowered sports cars.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #149, 06-10-2011 08:11 AM
      Hey Bob! Good to see you. I'm sure Kathryn will get a good laugh. So today is the day. We'll be opening her presents when she gets home from School today.....hard to believe I have a teenager!!! She is having a VERY Fiero birthday. Lots of new and exciting stuff, brake parts, suspension parts, bearings, Mr Mikes Seats, new carpeting, light kit, custom side scoops, etc, etc, etc. A few other items as well, but 95% Fiero. We'll be taking lots of photos. It is also the day she finds out about her website and this thread. So she will be able to read everything you guys have posted and become apart of the community as well. I'm sure all of your input and ideas will help her to stay fired up, and excited for the project. I'm sure we'll end up working on some of the new items tonight as well :-)

--MH


J-Holland (j-holland2@cox.net) MSG #150, 06-10-2011 08:52 AM
      What floors me is the fact that this young lady, is doing this at night and on weekends and, I am going to assume, going to school and keeping up with the rest of her life.

Kathryn, you are one remarkable young lady. To put that much energy into a project day after day and still have that grin of yours is fantastic. Good luck and I want to see the expression on your face after your first drive.

Happy birthday again.


snowblindburd (dissimulated@hotmail.com) MSG #151, 06-10-2011 10:25 AM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn!

njcwgrl (njcwgrl1@yahoo.com) MSG #152, 06-10-2011 11:28 AM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn Nice to see a young lady learning about cars. Keep up the Great work



datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #153, 06-10-2011 11:31 AM
      I just wanted to take a moment to say Happy Birthday Kathryn! Enjoy your 13th birthday, it's the only time where you get to "become" a teenager

The work you're doing on your car is second to none, and your attention to detail is simply amazing! You are part of the "younger" generation, and doing us "old" guys proud


qwikgta (qwikgta@yahoo.com) MSG #154, 06-10-2011 12:12 PM
      I kept seeing this thread moving to the top with new post's, and could not figure out why, now I know. This is an awesome thread, thanks for starting this. Kathryn, first Happy Birthday, second, keep it up. I have a 13yo daughter and she has no desire to work on cars, and my 9yo son would rather play video games. I hope that when he turns 12-13 I can get him into cars just like you. Again, keep with it, some of what you're going to be doing will not be as fun, but in the end you will learn a valuable skill. My older daughters do not know a thing about cars or getting them fixed, and have had some expensive repair bills. The bad repair shops love to take advantage of folks who don't know what is wrong with their cars.

Rob



donnie072003 (donnie072003@yahoo.com) MSG #155, 06-10-2011 03:25 PM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn, you are doing a fantastic job on your little car. My boys don't even do this much work on cars so you have them beat by a long ways. Neither of my daughters have any interest in cars so it is really good to see a young lady so involved with her father on a project such as this. I have been watching this thread since the 1st post by your father and have been very impressed with your progress along the way. Keep up the good work and have a very happy birthday.

[This message has been edited by donnie072003 (edited 06-10-2011).]

ARKaiser (arkaiser@ameritech.net) MSG #156, 06-10-2011 05:16 PM
      Happy Birthday young lady. It's great to see your interest. If you ever need any help just let me know - the Capitol City Fiero Club in Lansing is always ready and willing to come to the aid of someone like you. We look forward to you bringing your car to one of our events soon.

Vernon8360 MSG #157, 06-11-2011 11:24 AM
      Now that you have been 13 for 24 hours how does it feel to be a car owning teenager?

Pete Matos MSG #158, 06-11-2011 11:41 AM
      HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Katherine, I am sure you will enjoy the Fiero once it is finished and I am also QUITE sure you will be the envy of all your friends at school when you show up in that nice car that YOU and your DAD built yourselves.... That is just awesome!! I have two young daughters too and my oldest is just nine now. I cannot wait to do this with her too someday. Right now I have the one Fiero and I am getting today another Suzuki samurai project for four wheeling and I think I will let her decide which car she likes better for HER project. I WISH my dad had the desire to show me how to restore a cool car like this and spent the TIME to do it with me like your dad is. BRAVO dad, you cannot fathom the importance of what you are doing here with your daughter, it is something that will last FOREVER in her mind and in each other's hearts.... Keep it up my good man!! peace

Pete



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #159, 06-13-2011 08:03 AM
      WOW!

First, I'd like to thank all of you. It means a lot to a dad to have others take some time out from their busy lives and activities to help his children, and all of you have done just that. We will post some photos soon, probably this evening, but I wish each of you could have been there to see her face as she read your notes and well wishes. She had tears in her eyes as she looked up and wispered, "I'm popular, and I didn't even know it!" She was absolutly amazed that you all took time out to wish her the best, but also to read and follow what she has been up to. It meant more to her than I think you or eveni I will know. You didn't have to take the time to respond back to her, but I want to thank those of you that did. It meant a lot.

Second, we have Kathryn registered for the site, but her approval to post just came through this morning. I am sure that you will be hearing from her in her own voice soon. I know that she is excited to share with you all.

Third, the birthday was fantastic, although I feel old know that I have a teenager...lol! I think that does something to us that our own birthdays do not. Kathryn had a good time with friends and family ( think and hope), and we did manage to get some work done on the car. The Mr. Mikes seats went over a treat, and she as managed to get one recovered already, so one down and one to go. We also got her the Mr. Mike console cover (done) and the firewall cover (done). So she has been cracking on.

Finally, some of you decided to send some things to Kathryn for her birthday. I wanted to publicly thank you. I know that many of you asked for us to not mention your names on the forum so we will honor your wishes, but suffice it to say that EVERYONE that knows Kathryn personally was absolutly blown away by the generosity and kindness exhibited by the members of this forum. You have warmly welcomed and embraced a young girll whom you did not know and given her confidence, advice, encouragement regarding her project. What an amazing place, and an amazing group of people. I am sure that Kathryn will be sending some of you some personal messages with thanks, but from the Dad......THANK YOU!

-MH


whodeanie (dean@glassworksga.com) MSG #160, 06-13-2011 08:13 AM
      Looking good, one safety tip... keep your hair tied back around power tools trust me it hurts!
keep up the great work I look forward to seeing this car on the road soon.
D.


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #161, 06-13-2011 11:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Second, we have Kathryn registered for the site, but her approval to post just came through this morning. I am sure that you will be hearing from her in her own voice soon. I know that she is excited to share with you all.

\-MH


Glad she had a great birthday but, what's her screen name? I may need to ask her some information on how to do some things. Is she available for a couple of jobs? I've got a couple of Fieros that need restored.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #162, 06-13-2011 02:22 PM
      She should be posting soon...under the user name of Kathryn.

--MH

Wait till you see her seats Blackrams, she did an awesome job on them this weekend....with some help from Dad.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #163, 06-13-2011 09:51 PM
      As promised, here is a couple of updates

We had a good birthday, I have to tell you that Kathryn was almost in tears reading through all of your well wishes and notes. It meant a lot to her, and as such it meant a lot to me, so once again thank you.

She ended up with a number of nice presents, some books, movies, nail polish, etc., but a lot of fiero parts as well. Including new carpeting, caliper paint, some tools and tool box, DIY STU dew wipes, powder coater, etc.

Some new Timken wheel bearings all around and seals


A wonderful gift from the folks at FieroFiberglass who are letting her pick a set of custom quarter panels!
She was absolutely speechless!!!!


A set of LED marker lights from Danyel and the Widow!
Her biggest fans in Canada!


A big box of suspension components from Rodney Dickmans...all new ball joints, and a rear strut for the back deck.....nice.


And some nice new shiny exhausts!


Finally, some nice new Mr Mikes seat covers, console cover and firewall cover


Overall, a pretty good birthday!

--MH



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #164, 06-13-2011 09:56 PM
      Once you have the parts of course you have to do something with them.....So Saturday morning it was time to get started. Kathryn decided to do something easier first

So the first thing up was the install of the Mr. Mikes console cover.


That didn't take to long and made for a very nice result.


Then on to the firewall cover


That was a bit trickier. You really need to stretch the cover to get it tight and get out the wrinkles. Kathryn did a pretty good job and Dad helped, but still not sure that we did as good as we could. This might get redone yet again...We'll see. Of course once she got that far she was curious to see what it would look like mocked up with the console and the firewall and then with the console, firewall and the seats.





Not bad for a days work.

--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #165, 06-13-2011 10:06 PM
      Then for the last two days we have been working on the seats, or I should say, Kathryn has been working on them with Dad's help. For those of you that have been considering a Mr. Mikes kit, let me just say you should have no hesitation. The product is top notch in quality, the instructions are easy to follow, and Kathryn was able to do a lot of the work on her own. The first seat Dad took the lead on, the second one Kathryn did most of the work on.

First thing to do is to strip down the old seats, so a good time to use the new tools.


Then you have to cut into the existing seats so that you can expose the wires that need hog ringed.


Then you have to turn the seat covers inside out so that you can install them. Here Kathryn is doing the turning....


Time for some new foam to build up the seat a bit.


Tada, here is the first seat bottom or cushion done.


Finally, you need to reassemble the seat back and the cushion.



You end up with this when you are done. That is the first seat done. Then you need to work on the second seat.


Here Kathryn is hog ringing on the new cover. A bit of hard work to find the right places and a lot of arm strength for a 13 year old girl in order to attach the rings, but she managed it.



And then reassemble the second seat


And that is as far as we have gotten through tonight. The seat tracks need to go back on now. We will be down working on her car again tomorrow night. Finishing the underlayment on the floor, and probably starting to pull some suspension pieces....and doing a bit of sandblasting.....the project continues. I am sure that you will all be hearing from Kathryn shortly.

-MH



miketria (miketria@hotmail.com) MSG #166, 06-13-2011 10:58 PM
      Kathryn, you are truly lucky to have a dad like you have. And you guys are doing some pretty awesome work and I am totally jealous of your color scheme as it is incredible. Anyway, happy belated birthday and keep us posted!

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #167, 06-14-2011 09:35 AM
      Quick question for the group....

Is it better to paint the car with the panels on or paint the panels off the car?

-MH


Danyel MSG #168, 06-14-2011 09:51 AM
      It all depends ... for the Widow it was all panels off ... most members here do it panels on which is easiest ....



fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #169, 06-14-2011 09:57 AM
      If you're changing color it's probably best to remove the panels so that all edges and underneath fasteners will be painted. You can better mask the back sides to reduce overspray, too. You'll need to pull off all the aero trim pieces anyway. You could leave the top and rear clip on the car. The front portion of the top is difficult to remove without breaking the A pillars, and the rear clip requires a bit of work.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #170, 06-14-2011 10:51 AM
      Sounds like panels off is the best approach, since she will be doing ALOT of sanding and a color change...the car is kinda black now, since the PO rattlecanned a lot of it...so all of that needs to come off, and then the car underneat that is red. Panels off, Sand, Sand, Sand, and prep, then paint then panels back on! Got it!

-MH


olejoedad MSG #171, 06-14-2011 10:46 PM
      What an incredible thread. The satisfaction of doing the work yourself is very rewarding, and the perserverence to see the job to completion is the best life lesson of all for any teenager. My hat is off to you, Kathryn, and the rest of your family as well. Welcome to the Fiero community!

Joe


Carcenomy MSG #172, 06-15-2011 01:45 AM
      I hear leaving the roof panel on is a good idea, since it's the most likely to be damaged during removal. Unless of course you guys are considering adding a sunroof?

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #173, 06-15-2011 01:03 PM
      We ran into a bit of a problem last night....the passenger side top subframe rail is in pretty bad shape. I'll get some photos when we are down there next. I mean it looks BAD. We'll have to look at the one on the drivers side as well, the rest looks good...cradle, bottom frame rails etc...just those tops. GRRR! Kathryn's uncle thinks we can fab it back together and Bob can work miracles so we'll see.

Other than that, the new padding and heat barrier is in waiting for the carpet, but it will be a while before we put the interior in. The tanks is pulled and looks in good shape, we'll repaint the outside just for good measure, but no rust in the tank so that is a good thing. Not sure what happened to her fuel pump, it looks like someone smacked it with a mallet...the bottom is all smashed up, but the tank isn't. Weird. We'll pull the front body panels next time, and start to work on those while at home. Seat tracks are going back on the seats and then they are ready to be stored to await install.

-MH


Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #174, 06-15-2011 01:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Quick question for the group....

Is it better to paint the car with the panels on or paint the panels off the car?

-MH


I just painted my car and I did a Mix. I took off the nose, fenders and hood and left the rest of the car together.



RWDPLZ MSG #175, 06-15-2011 01:55 PM
      Probably the typical Michigan frame rot, you should see my poor car You can build new ones if you have a welder and the skills:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...060811-2-068409.html


olejoedad MSG #176, 06-15-2011 02:33 PM
      michhiker28 - you have a PM.

Joe


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #177, 06-15-2011 04:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by olejoedad:

michhiker28 - you have a PM.

Joe


Excellent, info, thanks Joe, and you have one back!

-MH


kathryn MSG #178, 06-15-2011 05:34 PM
      hey everybody my first post on here!!! sorry about the late reply....but i'm on now and have all summer to post my updates ect.
i was soo shocked on by birthday! so many surprises at one time, but i just wanted to put out a special thank you to all of you fiero lovers out there who sent me such wonderful gifts and made my birthday the most memorable ever! I truly had the best b-day EVER thanks to all of you who are supporters to me and my project! i also wanted to thank those of you who have offered me support and wished me luck, thank you! and last but not least to those of you who wished me a happy 13th...thanks i had a wonderful day and was surprised to see how many people around the globe still liked the little fiero!
i will be sure to get on regularly and will be adding my updates....thanks again to all of you!
-kathryn


1988holleyformula MSG #179, 06-15-2011 05:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

hey everybody my first post on here!!! sorry about the late reply....but i'm on now and have all summer to post my updates ect.
i was soo shocked on by birthday! so many surprises at one time, but i just wanted to put out a special thank you to all of you fiero lovers out there who sent me such wonderful gifts and made my birthday the most memorable ever! I truly had the best b-day EVER thanks to all of you who are supporters to me and my project! i also wanted to thank those of you who have offered me support and wished me luck, thank you! and last but not least to those of you who wished me a happy 13th...thanks i had a wonderful day and was surprised to see how many people around the globe still liked the little fiero!
i will be sure to get on regularly and will be adding my updates....thanks again to all of you!
-kathryn


Keep it up Kathryn! This is an excellent thread! Welcome to PFF, I hope your Dad warned you though, its addicting!


TopNotch MSG #180, 06-15-2011 05:49 PM
      I like your color scheme, Kathryn. Check out my car. It's currently not running because I'm rebuilding the engine. Wait till you see the color scheme on that!



kathryn MSG #181, 06-16-2011 12:56 PM
      dad and i have just been working on fairly small stuff recently, but i did get a chance to finish up the underlay of my flooring tuesday. i really like my dad's new toy...the sandblaster it is sooo much easier than doing it with a wire wheel!!!!
part of today and yesterday was spent sanding some smaller pieces and getting the tracks back on my seats!
now my seats are ready to go back in.....yet it will probably be a while before they do. hopefully i'll be able to soon start working on some bigger stuff, but for now i just need to finish up some small pieces...from who knows where.
-kathryn


Axdrenalin MSG #182, 06-16-2011 01:34 PM
      Kathryn, you and your Dad have done an outstanding job working on this car, and it's going to look FANTASTIC when you get it done. I've been reading through this thread since it started, and have been impressed with everything. My own son and I have a project car now (He'll be 13 in August) and you guys have been an inspiration to us as well. Keep us the great job, and keep us updated with lots of pictures and "how to" tutorials!

Robert


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #183, 06-16-2011 01:40 PM
      Kathryn,
If you are at home reading this, you need to look at the link in Topnotch's post above and check out that color scheme!


-MH aka Dad!


Ruffy MSG #184, 06-16-2011 05:18 PM
      Nice improvements so far! She isnt giving up and thats good!

blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #185, 06-17-2011 06:29 AM
      Kathryn,
Wanted to tell you how impressed I am with you, your family and your project. I have two things to say, first, you go girl! Second, let me know when you're available, I may need some help on one of my project cars.



Danyel MSG #186, 06-17-2011 01:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:



Humm she even has a color matching tool box talk about color scheme hehehehehe
Keep up the good work



TopNotch MSG #187, 06-20-2011 10:13 AM
      Bump... Any updates?


kathryn MSG #188, 06-20-2011 04:23 PM
      okay...yes i have a few i guess. i have spent exactly two hours on sanding my lights i have also masked off the actual light part. i have mostly been sanding or washing parts to get them ready to paint! it's kinda boring but it needs done. and yes i do have a matching toolbox, that i am very enthused with!!! no major updates yet but sometime soon my dad and i will post new pix!!!!
-kathryn


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #189, 06-20-2011 07:05 PM
      Following this thread is almost addictive. I check it daily for updates. Can't wait for Kathryn to tell us she's doing a swap all on her own.

Oh Yeah, bump for an update.



sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #190, 06-21-2011 12:28 AM
      So much fabulous progress! I have always loved yellow and black together. I can't wait to see more of what you have accomplished, Kathryn!



hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #191, 06-21-2011 11:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Danyel:


Humm she even has a color matching tool box talk about color scheme hehehehehe
Keep up the good work




lol. thats awesome, looks liek the screwdriver set (i think thats what i see there) is too... how much searching did it take to find matching toolsets, or was that just something that happened to be?


bristowb MSG #192, 06-21-2011 12:07 PM
      Happy Belated Birthday. I was actually having a birthday party for my now 4 year old son on the 11th. I am very impressed with your project. I just finished a 4.9 V8 swap. I am glad to see a young person like yourself taking on a project like this. I hope that both of my sons (one is 6 the other 4) Will get into cars when they get older. Keep up the great work.

[This message has been edited by bristowb (edited 06-21-2011).]

carnut122 MSG #193, 06-22-2011 02:46 AM
      Kathryn, I'd like to wish you a belated Happy Birthday! I'm glad to see that you're using your summer vacation time wisely!

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #194, 06-22-2011 01:20 PM
      Some updates with pictures coming soon. Kathryn has done some powder coating and sanding recently....so the work progresses. Just been real busy at work to get some updates on here. I need to show Kathryn how to upload photos!

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #195, 06-22-2011 02:16 PM
      As promised, here are a couple of photos for everyone.....perhaps Kathryn can give you an update tonight after soccer as well.

She got the calipers all cleaned and prepped and ready for paint. There are the new calipers for the Grand Am Brake upgrade.


Then we got some fun stuff in the mail.....DIYStu dewwipes for the doors. I think we will wait until the doors are all done before installing. She still needs to clean up the window components and install the new lock solenoids.



And of course, we have the tank out of the car ready to be cleaned, resprayed, and the new pump put in.


Some images of the surface rust....the rest of the tank looks real good, no rust or peel inside. So this should be pretty easy to clean up.



--MH


kathryn MSG #196, 06-28-2011 10:07 AM
      yes ok i'll have dad show me how to upload photos because i'll be getting on more after july 10th because i have swim lessons and girls camp until then....
today i'll be de-rusting and re-painting my fuel tank i'll also be sanding my back panel (it's going to take a while and i dislike sanding even w/ machines it take forever!)
-kathryn


sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #197, 06-28-2011 11:40 AM
      Wow, that tank looks pretty darn good. Mine is pretty rust damaged; I just noticed a slow leak last night. Looks like I'm on the market for a new one. Best of luck getting it all cleaned up!

As always, great job Kathryn and Dad!


rambozotheclown (humbabathegreat@gmail.com) MSG #198, 06-28-2011 01:40 PM
      this thread rocks. keep it up! and late happy birthday from a newbie



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #199, 06-28-2011 02:32 PM
      Hey Baby K!

Good to see you with an update today.

For everyone else, we do have some photos to update aw well. Kathryn fixed one side of the tank the other night and hopefully will have the second side done by the time I get home from work. She also finished one of the back vents in terms of blasting it clean and we have it powder coated yellow. It still needs one more coat but looks pretty good. We also finished the repair to the plastic panels that screw to the seats and cover the ratchet mechanism. We had to fab some new tabs for the screws since the old ones were broken. Should have gotten more pictures of how we did that as we went, but at least it is done. Her spare tire retaining rod and the lug wrench are also blasted and repainted, as is the air filter box. She has started sanding on the back deck lid as alluded to in her post. Lots of sanding to do! The front of the car needs some wire wheeling and encapsulating then respray, but nothing at all like what the back was like.

We should be moving on to suspension soon and Kathryn can continue working on sanding the panels and paint prep over the course of the summer.

-Dad aka MH


RCR (rcrabine@comcast.net) MSG #200, 06-28-2011 03:00 PM
      I've been lurking on the thread for a while..Wish my 14 yo son had your go-git-em attitude. Happy belated b-day and keep up the graet work.

Bob



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #201, 06-28-2011 07:50 PM
      So as promised, a few more photos of the update. Kathryn want's to learn how to upload photos, so I will do the first part of the update and then we'll let her do the second part.

We managed to get most of the front panels of the car at our last trip to Uncle Bob's. Most of the stuff under the front panels looked pretty good, thankfully, because what was under the rear wheel wells didn't look good at all. Here is the photos from under the back quarter panels.





Luckily the front looked much better.





Clearly there is some wire wheeling that needs done and some painting, but it is livable.

And the inside underlayment for the carpet is down.





--MH



kathryn MSG #202, 06-28-2011 08:19 PM
      here are the last of the photos so I can update now!
dad said how i painted the calipers so here they are i've only done 3 coats so far and will probably have to continue but they're close!




Dad and i have been working on my fuel tank he already posted the pics of how it looked before with all the rust...
so what I did was wire wheeled the bottom edge and sides, taped off the non-rusted top, primed it and then put on the last, black coat of paint.






last i have been working on the back vents; first to try and get the paint off of them i tried....
first paint stripping them but the paint obviously refused to come unstuck
second i tried sanding by hand yet of course i could get all the way down between the slats so that was a fail
third i simply sand blasted them much much easier i tell you if anyone gives you the choice take the blaster!
after blasting them i just scrubbed away all the sand, dust, and other stuff that was left behind
then dad and i powder coated it yellow. here's the pics







-kathryn


rambozotheclown (humbabathegreat@gmail.com) MSG #203, 06-28-2011 11:29 PM
      i know you just got through doing the white face gauges, but I saw this CL ad and thought you might like it...

http://miami.craigslist.org.../cto/2398481450.html



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #204, 06-29-2011 09:08 AM
      I like that yellow on the faces...but then I like that whole yeller car too. Hmmmmmmm, no stay away......I don't need any more temptation. In looking at that though does anyone know where or how individuals have been redoing the face on the HVAC controls?

-MH


olejoedad MSG #205, 06-29-2011 09:14 AM
      Good choice for the carpet underlayment. The Reflectix material is also a good choice on the engine compartment front firewall.

mj032662 (mj032662@gmail.com) MSG #206, 06-29-2011 09:42 AM
      Kathryn,
I came across this thread last night and I was captivated by your story. I ended up reading till after midnight. You should be very proud of yourself. I know alot of adults who could not come close to the amazing job you are doing! I cant wait to see more progress. Keep in mind that you have a great Dad as well to guide you through this.

I had an 84 SE back in the day and now I bought an 85 IMSA which is still being shipped to me. I cant wait to get back into the Fiero world.

Good luck with everything and remember that the hard work will all be worth it in the end !


1988holleyformula MSG #207, 06-29-2011 11:21 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

I like that yellow on the faces...but then I like that whole yeller car too. Hmmmmmmm, no stay away......I don't need any more temptation. In looking at that though does anyone know where or how individuals have been redoing the face on the HVAC controls?

-MH


IIRC there was some kind of PDF that had the HVAC control labeling on it that people were printing out on stickers or vinyl or something to place over the original HVAC lettering. I'll search around on here for it.

edit for link:
Speedhut offers them I guess as well: http://www.speedhut.com/cus...-auto_number-251.htm

[This message has been edited by 1988holleyformula (edited 06-29-2011).]

kathryn MSG #208, 06-29-2011 05:02 PM
      i have only continued to work on my back panel but i have also got to finish the work on my wheels....hmmm.
thank you all for continuing to be followers of my story! thanks for all the encouragement and i wish you all luck on your own car projects big or small!!!!
i hope that soon i'll have more exciting news yet i suppose every part of it counts.
thank you all again!!!
-kathryn


CoryFiero MSG #209, 06-29-2011 06:53 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:
i've only done 3 coats so far and will probably have to continue but they're close!

-kathryn



Amazing how a 12 year old's grammar and spelling is YEARS beyond some other members. *cough* pontiackid86 *cough* She even used the correct form of "they're."

On a slightly more serious note - good job with the car so far!


Vernon8360 MSG #210, 06-30-2011 01:11 PM
      Kathryn,

I'm not a fortune teller but I have seen many on TV and I can tell you now that you will go on a long trip sometime in the next couple of years. I would like to say it will be this year but the signs simply aren't clear enough. (Unless your Dad can make the vision clearer) Your adventure will take you to Frazee, MN where you will be greeted by fans and followers you have never met but seem to know you and your car. You will drive in a parade, wave at admirers and admire others. You will have a wonderful and memorable time. Yes, this is very much in your future. Keep up the good work.


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #211, 06-30-2011 01:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by CoryFiero:
Amazing how a 12 year old's grammar and spelling is YEARS beyond some other members. *cough* pontiackid86 *cough* She even used the correct form of "they're."

On a slightly more serious note - good job with the car so far!


wut j00 tryna sA?


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #212, 06-30-2011 01:48 PM
      Vernon,
Hmmm, Unfortunately this year probably won't happen, but next year might....and it might be a fun first long distance Daddy Daughter road trip when it is completed in the summer of 2014 :-)

--MH


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #213, 06-30-2011 05:20 PM
      so, michhiker28, when the cars done, you going to let her start planing for the ls2 engine swap?

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #214, 07-01-2011 08:17 AM
      Hooked,
Right now I think she is leaning towards a 3.4 swap, although her 2.8 seems pretty solid...we won't know for sure until we get it out of the car and can pull the pan, valve covers etc and reallly start to have a look. She might leave that alone, or might build a 3.4. She would love 300 horse I am sure, but Dad has limited her to 200 horse as a target. So while if Dad builds one, it might get an LS, Kathryn's at least at this point will not.....though you never know what she might plan for it when she gets a bit older....lol

-MH


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #215, 07-01-2011 02:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Hooked,
Right now I think she is leaning towards a 3.4 swap, although her 2.8 seems pretty solid...we won't know for sure until we get it out of the car and can pull the pan, valve covers etc and reallly start to have a look. She might leave that alone, or might build a 3.4. She would love 300 horse I am sure, but Dad has limited her to 200 horse as a target. So while if Dad builds one, it might get an LS, Kathryn's at least at this point will not.....though you never know what she might plan for it when she gets a bit older....lol

-MH


3.4 @ 200hp is doable, but might wana do some reading about the 3800 or 3400 swaps, a bit more modern, and would be a "smoother" drive rather then a built 3.4l. just a suggestion.




kathryn MSG #216, 07-01-2011 06:15 PM
      uh...okay about MY engine i would love to be able to give my mom's corvette a run for it's money but my not so willing dad put a big no sticker on that one! soo i'll be sticking with what ever is in my car or going with a good 3.4 so i'm going as high and mighty as i'm aloud!!!!
but i'll be outvoted by my dad for giving the vette a beating...shame.
-kathryn
p.s. anybody willing to help me convince him?...lol


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #217, 07-01-2011 07:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

uh...okay about MY engine i would love to be able to give my mom's corvette a run for it's money but my not so willing dad put a big no sticker on that one! soo i'll be sticking with what ever is in my car or going with a good 3.4 so i'm going as high and mighty as i'm aloud!!!!
but i'll be outvoted by my dad for giving the vette a beating...shame.
-kathryn
p.s. anybody willing to help me convince him?...lol


Just tell him that it would be very nice to have a 3800 Series II or III in it naturally aspirated (N/A) since it would give you something close to the 200 hp he is limiting you to. Then as you get older and more independent you could build up a 3800SC series II or III to drop in, in-place of the N/A engine. Wiring would already be done along with all the mounts and things. And if you put in the 4T60E-HD tranny at the same time with the N/A it would hold up to the SC engine too. It would get better gas mileage than the 2.8 and be even more fun to drive. With the stock SC you would be pretty close to what your mom is in the Corvette. And then for the coup de grace you could build up one of the SC engines (preferably a series III) with a turbo and then you could easily push 400 to 450hp on pump gas with an almost stock engine. Then I don't think your mom's Corvette would have a chance. Just take it incrementally and you would get there and still meet all the requirements of your dad, being a good dad. At any rate have fun with the project.


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #218, 07-02-2011 07:30 AM
      There are a lot of Corvettes out there, we all see them on the road every day. How many Fieros do you see on a daily or even weekly or monthly basis. Being unique while being stylish is fun. Stick with the Fiero and in this case, Dad is probably right. At least until you've got a few years of driving for experience. Have fun.



hnthomps (hnt100@aol.com) MSG #219, 07-02-2011 08:53 AM
      If you end up with the 3.4 you could always sneak a turbo in a bit later. Old guys have bad hearing and he may not notice the blowoff valve opening and a creative installation could at least partially hide the turbo from a quick visual inspection.

Nelson

 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

uh...okay about MY engine i would love to be able to give my mom's corvette a run for it's money but my not so willing dad put a big no sticker on that one! soo i'll be sticking with what ever is in my car or going with a good 3.4 so i'm going as high and mighty as i'm aloud!!!!
but i'll be outvoted by my dad for giving the vette a beating...shame.
-kathryn
p.s. anybody willing to help me convince him?...lol




olejoedad MSG #220, 07-02-2011 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

(snip) but i'll be outvoted by my dad for giving the vette a beating...shame. (snip)


Kinda like when Chevy outvoted Pontiac and the Fiero got canned?

Don't let GM corporate history repeat itself!

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hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #221, 07-02-2011 11:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by olejoedad:


Kinda like when Chevy outvoted Pontiac and the Fiero got canned?

Don't let GM corporate history repeat itself!



LOL, nice one ole, i agree w/ madmark... cept id keep it in the 60degree V6 realm (3400, 3500, 3900, or maybe even the 3.4TDC), all NA, then later add some boost.. the 3500 with some boost will make just as much as the 3800's, keeps the stock 60* engine pattern, no needing special mounts or flywheel, and well... with boost that poor vette wont know what happened.


kathryn MSG #222, 07-03-2011 02:15 PM
      cool, how i wish i would be aloud to beat that vette......hmmm oh well no need to give up hope.
some pics will be coming soon.
so far all i've really been doing is sanding, and sanding, and oh yeah more sanding. wonderful...ha ha the last thing that i want to do is the thing i've been doing the most of!!!!
none of you will hear from me on the thread or web until this saturday i have girls camp from monday through friday....
so i'll have to let my dad keep everything going until then!
thanks for all your support and willingness to follow my story!!!
happy 4th weekend to all of you enjoy yourselves and have a fun break!
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #223, 07-05-2011 09:02 AM
      Well, we got Kathryn off to camp yesterday. Before she left, she finished up a couple of items. We didn't get as far as we might have liked over the weekend, but some of her side rub strip trim was cleaned up and is being painted. The gas tank is done and ready to go back in. The "egg crate" that goes in the front bumper got cleaned up and repaired, and we made the start of some repairs on the console skeleton. She of course has been "sanding, and sanding, and sanding" But in those immortal words I have told her that she has not yet begun to sand.

That's what happens when you want it to be right, AND you are changing the color, AND the person before you thought it would be a good idea to slather the whole car in rattle can paint. Soooooo, sanding it is.

Now for a quick question. On the aero nose, there is the vertical bar that separates the two openings in the center. Those two openings look like they have sagged a bit over the 25 years. Anyone have a good way to fix that sag? We're open to ideas.

-MH


olejoedad MSG #224, 07-05-2011 09:14 AM
      There is a place in Lansing that reconditions front fascias - I will get you the name.

An interesting thing about the nose material is that when immersed in boiling water, removed and allowed to cool, it will come back to it's original molded shape - but only one time.


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #225, 07-05-2011 10:12 AM
      there also someone here who offers fiberglass o.e. looking replacements of the front bumpers, i cant remember who at the moment tho


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #226, 07-05-2011 11:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hookdonspeed:

there also someone here who offers fiberglass o.e. looking replacements of the front bumpers, i cant remember who at the moment tho


That would be us at www.fierofiberglass.com

You are doing a great job K! Keep up the good work.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #227, 07-06-2011 09:09 AM
      JimmyS,
You have a PM!

-MH


kathryn MSG #228, 07-11-2011 09:32 AM
      hey i'm back from camp no updates though i think my dad has kept you all up to date so just got on to say i'm back and that all i'll be doing is you guessed it sanding. ( i hate sanding.)
anyway so yeah i don't have anything else to say except somebody already has my licence idea which was bmblbee.
shame.
hope you all had a great 4th and i hope all your projects are running smoothly, thanks for keeping up with me on my thread!!!
-kathryn


TheRealShadowX (therealshadowx@gmail.com) MSG #229, 07-11-2011 10:03 AM
      how about bumbleb? Still 7 letters. just a thought.



dobey MSG #230, 07-11-2011 11:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hookdonspeed:

there also someone here who offers fiberglass o.e. looking replacements of the front bumpers, i cant remember who at the moment tho


The Fiero Store also sells factory reproductions in the factory material, which is a bit sturdier if anything ever gets bumped, like wheel stops in parking lots.


ARKaiser (arkaiser@ameritech.net) MSG #231, 07-11-2011 12:31 PM
     

or maybe



hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #232, 07-11-2011 05:37 PM
      eh, ignore this, was trying to suggest a plate, but just didnt look right lol

[This message has been edited by hookdonspeed (edited 07-11-2011).]

rambozotheclown (humbabathegreat@gmail.com) MSG #233, 07-11-2011 09:04 PM
      after the LS7 swap, you could use RMBL BEE... lol

BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #234, 07-11-2011 09:13 PM
      I'm 18 and am jealous of the access you have to parts and equipment, Kathyrn!

If I had what you have, My car would be so cool like yours!

I hope you appreciate all your dad is doing for/with you. Many of us never had that kind of time with our dad.

It's going to look sweet when it's done! Congrats and stick with it!



dobey MSG #235, 07-11-2011 10:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by rambozotheclown:

after the LS7 swap, you could use RMBL BEE... lol


Probably a thousand Dodge Ram owners trying to get it already.


montage MSG #236, 07-12-2011 02:44 PM
      Just simply awesome!! Congrats to you Kathryn very impressive and belated B-day. I had tears in my eyes reading this and way to go dad. I hope my son has as much gumption as you do taking on this task and more importantly keeping up with it. I have an 88 formula waiting for him. I will definitely show him this thread and hope he gets some of your enthusiasm...again totally awesome! Oh and kadoos for the members support they are a great bunch!

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #237, 07-12-2011 10:31 PM
      Hey all, thanks again for all of your support of Kathryn, special thanks for helping her to find a plate that she might like.....a little less thanks for trying to help her convince us to give her more power...lol! I think we have setttled on a 3.4pr with a more aggressive cam. We'll see where we end up. Anyway, after another good night working on the car I promised Kathryn I'd post some pics for her. So here we go.

As Kathryn has been saying she has been doing some sanding....she has done a bit and has a lot more to go. Here is where she was the other day on the back decklid.




She managed as you can see to get the spoiler off on her own.


Its in good shape but needs sanded and repainted like the rest of the car.

Some of the other pieces she has worked on at home have been the passenger side rubstrips....cleaning off all of the old rattle can paint down to the plastic and then prep for paint.




So we started to take the lower bumper off and found this some rust. So Kathryn needed to clearn that up and wire wheel it







We also got the carpet out of the trunk, and look at the cool holes we found!





and of course there is the obligatory rust on the parts of the undercarriage back there. It wouldn't be a Michigan car without a little rust cancer.




And we needed to encapsulate the front end and spray it as well.
At least this metal was just surface rust and easily fixed.





Of course a big part of the reason that we wanted to let Kathryn do the project was so that we could spend time together....and we have accomplished that. But it was also important that Kathryn learn some new skills, we figured that this would actually be a cheap graduate course in so many things. We figured that she would learn:
Painting
Body Repair
Interior Repair
Hard Work
Dedication
Commitment
Etc.


Tonight she started to learn a new skill and something she has not done before. WELDING!

So here are some photos of her Uncle Bob giving her her first welding lesson.





Of course as you can see from the photos she was pretty nervous from the noise and the big sparks...lol, but you can't learn from 10 feet away sooooo.



It is important to get a little bit closer, and then....it is time to solo







And here is the result of her first attempt.



She's learning a lot!!!

-MH


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #238, 07-13-2011 09:00 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

And here is the result of her first attempt.



She's learning a lot!!!

-MH


I've got to be honest here, that bead looks better than some I've put down in the past. Keep up the good work! Excellent, Just Excellent!



kathryn MSG #239, 07-13-2011 09:49 AM
      okay wielding looks terrifiying lets just put it that way at one point i had pressed my back all the way against the sand blasting cabinet.
i was doing just fine until i'd hit the points where big sparks would come out of no where and make me jump so i felt pretty good when even with a hammer the metal pieces wouldn't come apart so....i just hope that in some way or another i can get my car to stick together.
thanks for keeping up but just a before the hand warning i'll be leaving sometime tomorrow and will only be back not this saturday but the next one.
so there may or may not be updates. but i will try and get on to just say hey, so just warning you all nothing interesting will be happening for just over a week.
-kathryn


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #240, 07-13-2011 01:09 PM
      Kathryn:

Welding is an art. With the start you have it looks like you could become a very good welder. By art, I mean you cannot read a book to become a good welder it takes an inate skill combined with practice. Keep practicing and you will do quite well. As you get more used to the welder and the arcs that it generates you will appreciate what it can do for you. One caution is to make sure you are well covered so that your skin is not exposed. Somehow the little weld sputters find their way onto your skin if you don't take care and the light from the welding arcs can give your skin a serious burn similar to a bad sun burn. Of course make sure your eyes are always protected. I am sure that your dad has taken all of these precautions, but it probably wouldn't hurt to hear those cautions reinforced by someone else.

Have a great time.


nitroheadz28 MSG #241, 07-13-2011 02:10 PM
      Kathryn, you don't know how lucky you are to have a family that can teach you these things and guide you along the way. Hell I'm 20 and I've never touched a welder, sure I'd love to learn but I'm not exactly going to put down $500-700 for a good welder that I'll use just for the Fiero. Keep it up, you've accomplished a lot so far. Consider me jealous and impressed .

Woooo I own pg 7

[This message has been edited by nitroheadz28 (edited 07-13-2011).]

kathryn MSG #242, 07-13-2011 04:59 PM
      okay dad and i didn't buy the wielder it is my Uncles. thank you by the way uncle bob!!!
and yes i used the wielder, but that doesn't mean that i'm good at it.
i was petrified of the thing because all my life i've been told don't mess with electricity and if you see a spark shut everything off!
and now they tell me hey let's go play with lightning and if you don't get a spark that's a bad thing!
gee whiz sometimes i wonder at our sanity!
lol
thanks for checking out my thread and keeping up to date.

-kathryn
p.s. now you're not the only one who owns page 7....lol...


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #243, 07-13-2011 06:16 PM
      Kathryn, wait until you try out TIG welding. It is a whole different art where you can control the lighting in your one hand and feed the welding wire in with the other. When you learn to TIG weld you will make very pretty puddles that hold the metal together tremendously well. You can do almost as good with a good MIG welder, but it is a lot harder to make it look great with the MIG, but it is faster.

While I am not good at doing wood working, since you have to start all over if you make a mistake, with steel or aluminum and a TIG welder you can just grind out any imperfections and weld in some more metal. When you are done no one will know the difference.

Whether you know it or not, that weld that you did was pretty good for a first attempt. Keep up the good work.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #244, 07-14-2011 11:10 AM
      I am sure that Kathryn needs a bit more welding practice....but at least she got over some of her fear of "playing with lightning." Kinda fun once she realized she could get the parts to stick together...lol! Thanks again Bob for the quick lesson and letting her learn. We are to the point of removing the back clip next and dropping the cradle. Lots of work has been done, lots more still needs to be done.

-MH


kathryn MSG #245, 07-15-2011 03:32 PM
      hey everyone i'm still trying to keep up although i won't have any reports to give...shame
but soon, well as soon as i get back any way i'm going to have alot of sanding and de-rusting to do so yeah
but i have a huge whole in my car litteraly
save me my poor fiero is falling apart from the inside out
i suppose that it is just up to me to save/fix it but still it's sad.
i'll get on sometime later thanks for all your support and help my project has been made so much more fun when i can read your thoughts and ideas!
thank you for making me laugh and think and thank you to all of you who have given me better ways to do the things i'm trying to do!
hope that you all can have just as succesful of projects as mine.
-kathryn


TopNotch MSG #246, 07-15-2011 04:32 PM
      Maybe you should find a nice Southern or Western rust free Fiero, and transfer all the good stuff you have done up till now to it. Getting rid of rust is a lot of work that you shouldn't have to do.
This message is a hint to your dad.


kathryn MSG #247, 07-16-2011 08:58 AM
      no i will not just move all my good parts onto another car i am staying true to my car through and through no matter how much more work i have to do!!!!!
i am just going to suffer through it and make MY car look good not just some other car plus i need enough work to last me three more years.
so just to let everyone know i am sticking with my car and not a different one
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #248, 07-16-2011 01:16 PM
      sorry i know you were trying to help it's just that this is the only way i have to learn and i want to be able to say i worked on my car through the good and easy times and the not so easy times.
plus i don't need to have even more parts to get mom worked up about we've already taken up most of the downstairs and the shed so....
yeah sorry again when you're all trying to help sorry
thanks for still coming and watching my progress!!!!
sorry
-kathryn


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #249, 07-16-2011 03:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

sorry i know you were trying to help it's just that this is the only way i have to learn and i want to be able to say i worked on my car through the good and easy times and the not so easy times.

-kathryn


As I've said before, You Go Girl! Don't be sorry, it's your project and you do it the way you wish.



J-Holland (j-holland2@cox.net) MSG #250, 07-16-2011 04:40 PM
      What Blackrams said x2

JumpStart (mw4jumpstart@embarqmail.com) MSG #251, 07-16-2011 06:00 PM
      X3 Keep up the great work.

hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #252, 07-17-2011 05:41 PM
      lol, enough work for 3more years? youll have several engine swaps sitting on cradles ready to drop in by then at the rate your going!! you can start naming them "daily driver" "vette killer" "track only" :P


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #253, 07-18-2011 10:34 AM
      Thanks Hooked.....lol, just what she needs is more ideas!

-MH


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #254, 07-18-2011 11:30 AM
      thats what im here for :P

psst! http://www.amazon.com/NOS-0...cessories/B000COXA1A
hide that under the dash when your dads not looking!!!!


*blinks* michhiker28, i sware idk where she got the idea!!!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #255, 07-18-2011 09:36 PM
      Just to show that I'm not completely heartless, we are talking about letting her 3.4 pr with a bigger cam, and a 50 horse shot. Her uncle is trying to talk her into turboing the 3.4 So we will let her have some fun....lol!

-MH


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #256, 07-19-2011 01:32 PM
      3.4pr is nice... but the 3400 (still pr) is alot better of an engine... and takes boost very well... its just more modern...its a little more work, but you wont be dealing with a 25year old engine tech, come forth to the 2011 unlike the 3800, the 3100 and 3400 will bolt right upto the trans with no special flywheel etc, and all the lower mounts stay the same, will just need to do the upper dogbone. feel free to PM me if you want more info on it...


kathryn MSG #257, 07-21-2011 09:53 AM
      i have no idea what half of these recent conversations are about can someone explain all this engine stuff please for my sake of trying to understand.?
because i know and understand just about all of my car but you truly lose me at the engine stuff.
help please
-kathryn


BtotheB (b.cathrae@gmail.com) MSG #258, 07-21-2011 10:19 AM
      Here's a quick explanation of how a pushrod (pr) engine works.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/camshaft1.htm

They've also got a DOHC arrangement on there for comparison. There's a lot of options for each type of engine - the stock 2.8 uses pushrods, and most of the different engines that get swapped in use pushrods as well. There's a 3.4 DOHC and 4.6 DOHC (Northstar) that will bolt right up to the stock Fiero transmission as well.

Cool thread by the way, good to see you enjoying this project. Be careful though, Fieros tend to multiply when you're not looking...

Brad


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #259, 07-21-2011 10:50 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by BtotheB:

There's a 3.4 DOHC and 4.6 DOHC (Northstar) that will bolt right up to the stock Fiero transmission as well.

Cool thread by the way, good to see you enjoying this project. Be careful though, Fieros tend to multiply when you're not looking...

Brad



Be careful what you ask for and get into, some of these engine swaps are a lot more work than others. Both the DOHC engines mentioned are fine but, they take up a huge amount of space in the engine compartment. I don't care what you choose but, bigger is not always better. It all depends on what you want to end up with. Of the six driving Fieros I currently have, I most enjoy these cars in this order. 3800SC, 3.4 TDC, 4.9, 3.4 P/R etc................. But, the 3.4 TDC is the hardest to work on due to it's width. Changing the spark plugs on the front next to the firewall is not an easy task. The 3.4 P/R is the easiest to work on, it's no different than a 2.8. Just something for you to consider.



hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #260, 07-21-2011 11:11 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blackrams:
Be careful what you ask for and get into, some of these engine swaps are a lot more work than others. Both the DOHC engines mentioned are fine but, they take up a huge amount of space in the engine compartment. I don't care what you choose but, bigger is not always better. It all depends on what you want to end up with. Of the six driving Fieros I currently have, I most enjoy these cars in this order. 3800SC, 3.4 TDC, 4.9, 3.4 P/R etc................. But, the 3.4 TDC is the hardest to work on due to it's width. Changing the spark plugs on the front next to the firewall is not an easy task. The 3.4 P/R is the easiest to work on, it's no different than a 2.8. Just something for you to consider.



3400 is no worse to work on then the 3.4PR, just diffrent intake design... its like a 3800NA w/o needing special mounts or flywheel, i think someon even makes headers to matchup to the stock exhaust? (i looked and couldnt find, but i think its out there)



olejoedad MSG #261, 07-21-2011 11:42 AM
      A comment on the engine swap discussion..............

Keep in mind as you consider the swap options that the stock Fiero 125 transmission is a 3 speed, and compared to the modern automatics, not efficient.

No matter what engine you end up with, it would be of great benefit to change to a more modern 4 speed automatic.

If you decide to keep the 2.8, or move up a bit to the 3.4, the 4T60 is a good choice - it runs with the Fiero OBD I ECM and will help performance as well as fuel economy.

If you step up to a 3800 or a 4.9 V-8, the 4T60-E is a good choice for the fuel injected 3800.

If eventually the engine choice is the 3800 S/C, the 4T65E-HD is your trans to upgrade to.

In a word - if you upgrade the drivetrain - dump the 125 auto.

On another note, we are looking forward to meeting you and your father this weekend in Jackson for the Capitol City Fiero Club's "Driving the Excitement" weekend!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #262, 07-21-2011 11:43 AM
      Hey Baby K,
You've got some sanding and welding to do first babe! Just messing with you. The 3.4 is probably the easiest to swap in but we can look at others too if you want. I'm sure we can put enough power in for you to have fun, without it getting you into trouble.

How's the trip going? You and J still kicking etc? Also, did you and Papa get to go look for a helmet yet?

-Dad


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #263, 07-21-2011 01:09 PM
      I am so glad you are coming to the Driving the Excitement event, since we (all of the Capital City Fiero Club) will get a chance to meet you and your dad. I am truly looking forward to talking with your dad and you. If there is anything we can do to help you with your project just ask and I think between all of us we can help.

If you or your dad would like to take a ride in the various different Fiero's with drive train combinations I am sure we can arrange that. Joe will have his 4.9 Caddy engine with a 4T60E, I will be there with a 3800SC III with a 4T65E-HD, my wife will have her 2.5 with a TH125, Jack should be there with a LS3 Corvette engine and a 6 speed manual trans, Brian will be there with a 2.8 with a TH125, Robert should have a 3.1 or 3.4 with a 4T60 trans and he might bring his other one with a 3.4 with a 4 speed manual transmission. (sorry if I messed up which engine Robert has). There will be others there too with various combinations of engines and transmissions. So you should be able to get a feel for what you would like to do with your Fiero in the future.

Keep up the good work and keep us informed since it is one of the threads that I always go to, to see what you have been up to.


cherokee 140 (gmathews@kcweb.net) MSG #264, 07-21-2011 03:02 PM
      Get that girl some welding gloves...and something to cover her arms with. Two kinds of burns...one from the hot stuff that lands on you and the other is a sun burn from the light.

Tell uncle bob to pickup another helmet too.

Good to see you are wearing glasses with the project...safety first.


kathryn MSG #265, 07-21-2011 08:50 PM
      okay less confused.
actually the reason behind my not getting anything done for a week is the fact that i have been visiting grandparents in ohio while my mom and dad are at home painting the interior of the house
dad: yes we have been kicking and j and i plan to kick again tomorrow what scares me is that j has lost some of her aim and power in her punts.
and i really need to work on footwork again
oh and about the helmet we're going to stop by and see if the store has them after kicking but before leaving to detroit tomorrow.
any way just to let all of you know i'm still here, and i don't plan on going anywhere where i can't write on my thread any time soon so both my dad and i will be on pretty much all year round so i hope you don't leave either and keep checking in i will have more car updates by the end of next week.
although i'll probably just be sanding.
any way totally off topic but the heat wave is supposed to slightly calm down soon!!!!
yes!
it is like roasting here in ohio.
-kathryn


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #266, 07-21-2011 09:23 PM
      Sanding is like "Wax on, Wax off".

kathryn MSG #267, 07-22-2011 09:35 AM
      Exactly!!!!!!!
it just goes on and on and on. it never ends, i'm telling you it is like a nightmare where you're working and you never get any where.
-kathryn


Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #268, 07-22-2011 02:16 PM
      I'll let you in on a secret for rust removal that I recently discovered- Klean Strip makes a product called "Prep and Etch". This stuff is GREAT! I was using a sand blaster to prep my suspension parts for powder coating, but this stuff is amazing. You spray (or soak) the part in this solution and it just brings it back to life. It destroys all the rust, and leaves the part etched and ready to paint or powder coat. I've been amazed at how some of my parts came out. It's also very inexpensive, about $15 a gallon at Home Depot. One issue is that with really heavy rust it leaves behind a bit of a sludge. I use a two tank system. I soak the parts first in a "dirty" tank, which removes the rust. Then I take the part out and wash off the sludge. Then I dip the part in a second "clean" tank, and let that dry. (you're supposed to let the solution dry on the part, it gives a small amount of rust protection and is suitable for painting or powder coating) I can't tell you how much work this stuff has saved me.

http://www.wmbarr.com/produ...x?catid=32&prodid=81


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #269, 07-22-2011 02:28 PM
      Thanks Taijiguy,
We'll definitely check it out. Kathryn has been doing some sandblasting on the metal work, and sanding the body panels to prep for paint. She doesn't complain to much about blasting, it is more the body panels that get her down....lol!
-MH


Taijiguy (pcfixer@gmail.com) MSG #270, 07-22-2011 05:23 PM
      The sandblasting isn't bad, it just gets old being hunched over the thing for extended periods of time. Plus, I don't know about your setup, but mine clouds up so bad I can barely see what I'm doing. The nice thing about the Klean Strip stuff is you just drop it in and let it soak. There's no scrubbing or anything. I leave stuff in for a day or two, and seriously it comes out looking brand new (unless there's scarring from the rust of course).
Let me know how it works for ya.


Arachnyd MSG #271, 07-22-2011 07:35 PM
      I've been sending this page to everyone I know. If I ever am lucky enough to have a child, I sure hope she's this awesome...

kathryn MSG #272, 07-23-2011 04:40 PM
      aw.. i'm not awesome and just a stubborn and determined girl that's doing something with her dad that's all
believe me
also i will be getting some stuff done soon
-kathryn


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #273, 07-24-2011 10:53 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

aw.. i'm not awesome and just a stubborn and determined girl that's doing something with her dad that's all
believe me
also i will be getting some stuff done soon
-kathryn


what they are trying to say is its nifty to see a girl interested in cars, and not afraid to get her hands dirty..
my daughters 7, and if im working on the car she stays far away from me as to not get any grease on her


njcwgrl (njcwgrl1@yahoo.com) MSG #274, 07-24-2011 04:26 PM
      Hi,

Your doing Great work I just replaced my Org 4 cyl. with a "New Rebuilt" one for now. I will in the
future be going with the 3.4 and 4T60 combo. It seams like the easiest and most affordable option
And I have a few years to get all the parts I need..



kathryn MSG #275, 07-25-2011 10:34 AM
      i will be doing some sanding this week and when i was at my grandparents house i found a welding helmet of my own
-kathryn


carnut122 MSG #276, 07-25-2011 08:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

aw.. i'm not awesome and just a stubborn and determined girl that's doing something with her dad that's all
believe me
also i will be getting some stuff done soon
-kathryn


Having taught hundreds of kids your age in the past 6 years, I can honestly say that you're not giving yourself enough credit. Your initiative, determination, and the obvious respect you show to your dad (and I assume mom) put you way out in front of most of your peers. Keep after it!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #277, 07-26-2011 08:33 AM
      Yeah Carnut,
We're pretty proud of her! I'll try to get some more photos of her progress up soon. She's been pretty busy, but has been steadily working along.

-MH


kathryn MSG #278, 07-26-2011 03:35 PM
      don't lie dad i have been busy and NOT working for just under two weeks
that's not steadily along at all!!!
anyway i better get off since i just got home and go get some sanding done. in the hour and a half before you get home.
i will just keep sanding dry right?
or should i risk wet?
hmmmm....
i guess i'll just have to figure it out
-kathryn


1988holleyformula MSG #279, 07-26-2011 04:39 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

i guess i'll just have to figure it out
-kathryn


That's the spirit! Trial and error is a great way to learn (what not to do).


kathryn MSG #280, 07-26-2011 08:38 PM
      last week i went to my grandparents and didn't even know i was supposed to be looking for a welding helmet until the day before i left
so my grandpa and i went running into a store right before i left...yikes
so we found one and here it is...



i got an auto darkening helmet and i was asking my dad but what if it fails once and i go blind?!
well let's just say it won't when he got the pictures it went black and surprised me so much i told him to do it.
so it will work just fine
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #281, 07-26-2011 08:41 PM
      oh by the way i didn't totally wreak my sander or my piece so this time trial and error worked just fine!
(i kept it dry.)
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #282, 07-26-2011 08:42 PM
      Kathryn liked the auto darkening helmet a bit better than the other sort after she saw how it worked. She was pretty surprised when it darkened right up off the camera flash and then returned to normal so quickly. I think she'll like trying it out on an actual project soon. She did get some sanding done tonight....but she needs to have a good go at it and finish up a few of these body panels. I will update some photos of the most recent progress tonight once I can get them uploaded and sorted out.

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #283, 07-26-2011 09:02 PM
      So some items that we have been working on recently:

We have had no success finding a perfect console skeleton. We have found a couple that are better than others, but nothing that is mint. So it appears that the only viable way of fixing this is to try to mend the one(s) that we have. So here is an attempt. We used some epoxy and aluminum to mend the places wear there were cracks etc. We will still need to do some more work to fill in where a few of the screw holes are just absolutely messed up and then redrill those sections. Here is where we are so far.









Kathryn also finished her seats and reinstalled the seat tracks beneath them so they are now ready to be reinstalled in the car. We just have a while to go before that happens, soooo for now they will get wrapped up in plastic and stored in the house so that they don't get ruined. Here you can see them with her firewall and the center console between them. She wanted to see what they would look like in the car. You might remember the earlier picture when we had it mocked up before the new Mr Mikes covers were installed on the actual seats.





One of the things that we needed to fix was the plastic covers that go over the seat mechanisms. The tabs were broken and a couple of the screw mounts were also busted up. We used epoxy to rebuild those areas, sanded them down and cleaned them up, and then painted them black to match the rest of the interior. Finally, they too went back on the new seats.


You may also remember photos of Kathryn carefully cleaning up the ribbed side rub strip trim. The previous owner had rattle canned this and never really prepped the surface so it was peeling off in flakes in some places and stuck tight in others. Kathryn attacked this with a putty knife, screwdrivers, and various grits of sandpaper. I think she hated me for making her get into all the small crevasses, nooks, and crannies, but she did and then it was cleaned up, wiped down, primed and painted. Here are the results.




Finally,
this post wouldn't be complete without some of the work on her favorite project.....SANDING! Here is what she finished up so far today.







--MH


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #284, 07-26-2011 11:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:
-kathryn


ooo ooo lets see what joke works here....
"LOOK!!! daft punks long lost 3rd!!"

or "LUKE, i am your...." ok thats been played out i know...


CowsPatoot MSG #285, 07-27-2011 12:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:




I had the same concerns when I was buying my first helmet...I didn't see how it could react fast enough. Then a friend let me borrow his to show me how well they work. I think I ended up with that same helmet. Still works great 2 years later....but I admit, I test it each time before I start welding. I like technology, but that doesn't mean I trust it.

I have been following this thread since the beginning...project looks great so far. I will reiterate something that was said earlier though...definitely want to see how bad the reflection of that defroster vent is before you mount the dash. I am the one that was driving in Fierfly's example photo. First project we did on her car was to get rid of that yellow on top of the dash (although we returned the entire interior to stock since the rest of the yellow was not done well on hers).


kathryn MSG #286, 07-27-2011 09:15 AM
      believe me i trust it more but i might be doing more test runs before i start striking my arch.
thank you all for following and i have gotten pretty far on the sanding, yet those side panels that turn red then yellowish they move so it keeps making me nervous.
any way so those two projects are going to take some time welding i don't mind...now sanding on the other hand....
you get the picture.
so also me and my dad have one problem the downstairs bedroom has to be emptied for when my grandparents come in oct.
yikes!!!! that's where we are storing so much of the done pieces....lucky me
so three big projects that need to get done before i can move on.
let's see how long it takes shall we?
thank you all again and now that you mention the yellow problem for the dash again....hmmmm
let's see how far the trial part of trial and error will get me this time.....
-kathryn


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #287, 07-27-2011 09:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:
thank you all again and now that you mention the yellow problem for the dash again....hmmmm
-kathryn


get a sheet of thin black fabric that allows air to pass freely and find a way to put it into place or wrap the yellow vents in, and remove it for shows etc..


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #288, 07-27-2011 09:41 AM
      That's a good idea Hooked!

-MH


olejoedad MSG #289, 07-27-2011 11:32 AM
      A word of caution on the sanding - all you need to do is remove the non-adherant paint, etc. off of the surface. You don't need to (or want to) take it all the way to the 'yellow' body panel surface. Down to the flat black should be far enough, as that is the factory primer/paint system under the clear.

Whenever the base material is exposed, you run the risk of sanding a flat spot into the panel - and there are very few flat spots on a Fiero - it's all curves. Flat spots are durn near impossible to fill in with sandable primer, and if you get one, it WILL show up, especially on a black car.

Be sure to use a semi rigid sanding block to hold your sandpaper to avoid pressure grooves from your fingers, and do all sanding in an 'X' pattern running at 45 degrees to the axis of the car or the panel. For instance sand the hood from the left front to the right rear, and then fron the right front to the left rear. It will keep the sanding uniform and give better results.

You're doing a great job - keep up the good work.

Joe


larini74 (fieroz@earthlink.net) MSG #290, 07-27-2011 11:41 AM
      I lent Dan Wilkinson a pristine plastic console skeleton, and he is attempting to make a new skeleton out of metal.
When it is ready, he will have up on http://www.fierofiberglass.com


kathryn MSG #291, 07-27-2011 04:49 PM
      great problems with flat spots now wonderful...see dad this is why i shouldn't be left to do it while you're away at work
if i ruin it that will be just great..wonderful.
and that covering the yellow for the road great idea!
and thanks for info on the console skeleton......
oh by the way we're some of the first posts on page 8!!!!!!
this is the first time i've ever been popular in my life!
although a lot of my friends have no idea half the time what i'm talking about when i start telling them about stuff i've been working on.hmph
anyway....thank you all for being followers of my progress and for sharing your sometimes smarter and more sensible approaches on certain points of my big project thanks for your support and i hope that you continue to follow my progress although i might not get to far very quickly with all this sanding and welding....
we'll see
-kathryn


Rallaster MSG #292, 07-27-2011 05:33 PM
      That's looking goooooooooood I'm excited to see how it's going to turn out.

I don't think I'd be too awful concerned about the skeleton. The skeleton in my '86 is in 4 piece(I think, may be 3, but I believe it's 4), even after the rebuild, and I don't really notice it unless I take it out.


jstntlvr MSG #293, 07-29-2011 03:46 PM
      awesome thread I started reading it yesterday and just finished up. Every thing looks amazing makes me want to redo my interior.

For the welding get a welding cap to wear under that hood and put multiple hair ties in your pony tail (about 4" apart) to cut down fire hazards. Trust me I have hair over 2' long and you do not want that to catch while you weld

http://lapco.com/images/6%2...ap%20copy%20copy.jpg

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TopNotch MSG #294, 07-29-2011 05:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:
i got an auto darkening helmet and i was asking my dad but what if it fails once and i go blind?!
well let's just say it won't when he got the pictures it went black and surprised me so much i told him to do it.
so it will work just fine
-kathryn


It would be a good idea to test your helmet before every welding job by having someone flash a camera at it. Even though they are usually solar charged, the battery can go bad, and if it does, the lens won't darken. So save your eyes and test it first.


kathryn MSG #295, 07-29-2011 05:36 PM
      guys i think that i'm going to be much safer during this project with all of you giving me safety tips....no joke intended.
so hair ties, cover up, check my helmet, be safe, have fun but be cautious....anything else i should know?
any way i have been sanding a lot! believe me and yeah let's just say short and simple...not fun.
will be putting up some pics soon once i get just a little farther.
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #296, 07-29-2011 06:35 PM
      So here is some of the sanding work


and a close up of where i have gotten so far


And here is my nose which needs sanded next....but the openings look a bit droopy, any ideas on how to fix them?



so that's how far i've gotten on my least favorite project and i'm going to finish the fenders tomorrow before i leave again.
thank you all for continuing to support me and for giving me you're ideas and tips
-kathryn


ALJR (aljr@jgmanzi.com) MSG #297, 07-29-2011 10:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

And here is my nose which needs sanded next....but the openings look a bit droopy, any ideas on how to fix them?


so that's how far i've gotten on my least favorite project and i'm going to finish the fenders tomorrow before i leave again.
thank you all for continuing to support me and for giving me you're ideas and tips
-kathryn


The only idea that comes to mind would be to reinforce the inside area around the "droopy" with some 1/8" SS flat stock; either bond or rivit it to prevent it from sagging...


85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #298, 07-29-2011 10:38 PM
      Kathryn

I am very impressed on everthing that you have done so far.
You show to have good dicipline,dedication and are goal oriented, your parents must be very proud of you.
I am sure you will do well in life.
Keep up the good work.

Question for you

How are you sanding the panel ? are you using an "DA" ( dual action sander )

Have you decided what color you are going to paint it ?

I think it would look really good in yellow with some black accents, but I hope you paint it how you like it

Please keep updating this tread, I look forward to seeing your progress.


amflyer MSG #299, 07-30-2011 07:04 AM
      You might try to heat those areas with a hair dryer then put a block of wood or other material in the hole then let it cool down. You may have to do this several times to get some results. I did that to a used nose clip and it fixed it, you will just have to see. Like the job you are doing with the car, good luck with your paint!



Jake_Dragon MSG #300, 07-30-2011 07:15 AM
      My 85 had the droop so I put some round spacers. Just drilled two holes and used the right size tube on the inside and snugged up the bolt.
Painted black they didn't look bad at all.

Or you could just cut the drooping part out and make it a wide mouth


kathryn MSG #301, 07-30-2011 11:57 AM
      um...no mouth
but some of those other ideas aren't that bad, hm.
i will update my pics of sanding next thursday
and progress will be at a pit stop until then as well
i will continue to write as you share your ideas, comments, and thoughts
thank you all for your support
-kathryn


1988holleyformula MSG #302, 07-30-2011 12:04 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:
And here is my nose which needs sanded next....but the openings look a bit droopy, any ideas on how to fix them?
-kathryn


So I'm not positve, but I feel like I've read from some members on here that if you boil the front fasica in water it will pop back to its original shape. From what I remember, this only works once though.

Before you try my half-remembered advice, wait to see if any one else chimes in with this remedy.


davikan (davikan@gmail.com) MSG #303, 07-30-2011 12:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:
Is it just me, or do I have a really cool daughter?
-MH


I looked up "cool" in the dictionary. There's a picture of her next to the entry.



hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #304, 07-30-2011 01:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


So I'm not positve, but I feel like I've read from some members on here that if you boil the front fasica in water it will pop back to its original shape. From what I remember, this only works once though.

Before you try my half-remembered advice, wait to see if any one else chimes in with this remedy.


and just who has a culdren big enough to put the front bumper in?!? i wana know who tried this one lmao....


Old Lar MSG #305, 07-30-2011 02:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by 1988holleyformula:


So I'm not positve, but I feel like I've read from some members on here that if you boil the front fasica in water it will pop back to its original shape. From what I remember, this only works once though.

Before you try my half-remembered advice, wait to see if any one else chimes in with this remedy.


I ended up taking my aero noses to a shop in Sandford, Florida (I know not close by) that does repairing the various flexible panel on various car. It was rather pricey, but they fix tears splits etc and do some sort of secret reheating the panels so that they come bacl just like new.


Carcenomy MSG #306, 07-30-2011 08:20 PM
      I'd look at using a form behind the opening myself - probably just a section of stainless or aluminium flat stock across the top of both openings and either drill and rivet or screw or epoxy it on. You COULD go spend a pile of money getting a specialist plastics shop to fix it up, but it all depends on your end objective... is it a masterpiece showcar or a sweet ride to drive and enjoy?

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #307, 08-01-2011 09:26 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Carcenomy:

... is it a masterpiece showcar or a sweet ride to drive and enjoy?


WOW Carcenomy, you've opened up a whole can of mess right there.....It was SUPPOSED to be a car of Kathryn to learn on and have fun with , and have a cool car for HS when she is done. However, she has been putting in so much time and effort on the details she now wants to only drive it on days with no clouds.....etc., and then buy a beater car do drive to school so no one dings up her hard work....lol! We'll have further discussions I'm sure.

To answer some of the previous questions....
Yep she is using a DA sander for the large areas and blocking the rest by hand....I have to tell you guys, she REALLY hates sanding. No complaints about any of the other work, she will paint, pull parts, glue, sandblast, anything else, but sanding is at the bottom of her list....oh well, it needs done.

I think where we are so far is a gloss black car (I know, the nightmares of painting, so she has been told everything has to be right or else you will see it.) with yellow racing stripes. I believe that the rub strip is also going yellow. She has alternately thought about putting a yellow pegasus on the hood instead of the strips. So we'll see where she ends up in that decision.

Thanks all for thoughts on the sagging nose. I was thinking flat stock and rivets too. Not sure we could get a large enough tank to boil the thing in, but the hairdryer and wood forms might be worth a go. The mouth idea might not be too bad if we glassed some mesh in, but I see Kathryn already said no to a mouth opening.

Thanks all.

-MH


Ruffy MSG #308, 08-01-2011 10:20 AM
      She is really coming along with this project. I see she's doing full detail as well. I do have to say this. Most complete rebody kit cars don't have even close to this detail! Very nice and keep up the good work.

hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #309, 08-01-2011 10:27 AM
      gloss black, offset racing stripes 2 different sizes, pegasus on the hood, let the stripes stop at and start again after kinda like following the contours of the design?
kinda like this for the offset



just my opinion.


kathryn MSG #310, 08-01-2011 11:38 AM
      um....okay dad you know best on how to fix the front so that's up to you but no mouth!
anyway perhaps i could do one offset stripe to one side and still put on the pegasus that's not spelled right is it...oh well who knows
or will that look bad any thoughts
i think that with all this hard work and money put in i'm going for more of a show car so it doesn't get beat up....
-kathryn


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #311, 08-01-2011 01:12 PM
      It's your car, do it as you like. For me, less is better but, that's just me. You aren't building it for me or us.

I admire your effort and dedication to this project, I just hope you don't burn out on it. Life is about much more than just our cars.



Rallaster MSG #312, 08-01-2011 01:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blackrams:

*snip* Life is about much more than just our cars.



It is?? Whoa!


olejoedad MSG #313, 08-01-2011 02:35 PM
      There is a shop in Lansing that can strip and bring the front fascia back to the original shape, the boiling stripper will cause it to return to the original form (but only once), so maybe the best way is to have it done professionally and then add the flat stoc to prevent future distortion.

Joe


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #314, 08-01-2011 04:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

um....okay dad you know best on how to fix the front so that's up to you but no mouth!
anyway perhaps i could do one offset stripe to one side and still put on the pegasus that's not spelled right is it...oh well who knows
or will that look bad any thoughts
i think that with all this hard work and money put in i'm going for more of a show car so it doesn't get beat up....
-kathryn


if you make a post asking, im sure someone could photoshop the stripes and logo on a black fiero for ya... then your would know what it will look like before having it done.


Carcenomy MSG #315, 08-02-2011 08:19 AM
      If nobody else volunteers I'll whip something up tomorrow... you just better hope someone else DOES volunteer 'cause I am pretty sucky at image manipulation hahaha!

blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #316, 08-02-2011 08:35 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rallaster:


It is?? Whoa!



Not for you, I, or the majority of the members here on PFF. I was addressing Kathyrn. She's only 13 remember.

She got lots of time to be obsessed with Fieros or should I say her Fiero. But, I know she has other interests as well.

Me, all I think about is that next mod or getting that other Formula painted, you know the drill.



kathryn MSG #317, 08-02-2011 06:13 PM
      oh photo shop got to love tech. stuff
thanks i think i will take up that offer actually
and yes i do like and enjoy other stuff but i've never stuck to one project for this long before...a first for everything right...
and how much would it cost for me to have the front nose fixed professionally?
let's just say
that i have alot of tough sanding ahead in my future!
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #318, 08-03-2011 01:11 PM
      hello what is going on with all of you,
i'm at grandma and grandpa's again so progress is slowed
i still have sanding but....we all know how much i enjoy that
um... well we're going soon so i'll come on later
-kathryn


aaronkoch (cheddarlump@cheddarlump.net) MSG #319, 08-03-2011 02:45 PM
      Don't be too sad, you're 12 and are waaaay ahead of me on my build.. Your persistence and hard work are really paying off. Your dad is a great example to those of us with younger kids, and he's doing a fine job of showing you how hard work and dedication pay off in the end.

Great job, and just so you know, the ability to figure out solutions to problems that come up extend way beyond the car world. You're on your way to becoming a very productive and prosperous person.



kathryn MSG #320, 08-03-2011 06:04 PM
      whoa..okay back up NOT ahead of you on your build
way behind you on your build yes.
i'm still on body work and on the first page you already dropped the engine.
so not ahead at all
anyway good luck to you all and i hope that your cars all turn out the way you want them too
any more ideas on how i should do stripes/ pegusas?
-kathryn


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #321, 08-03-2011 09:50 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

any more ideas on how i should do stripes/ pegusas?
-kathryn



Kathryn,
Have you ever seen ghost flames? I mention that only for reference purposes. Consider putting your Pegusas on as a Ghost Pegusas. Subtle but there.
If that's not to your liking, no harm, no foul.



Richjk21 MSG #322, 08-04-2011 04:44 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by blackrams:
Kathryn,
Have you ever seen ghost flames? I mention that only for reference purposes. Consider putting your Pegusas on as a Ghost Pegusas. Subtle but there.
If that's not to your liking, no harm, no foul.



That right there is a capital idea!!

Rich


blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #323, 08-05-2011 07:30 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Richjk21:


That right there is a capital idea!!

Rich


Thanks, I considered doing it on one of my Fieros but, don't know any painters good enough to do it. Most likely couldn't afford it if I did know one but, I think it would look really cool.

Bump back to the top.



kathryn MSG #324, 08-05-2011 11:06 AM
      what in the world are ghost flames!!!!?
you have me totally lost now.
okay today since i'm back at home i'm....sa..sa..sanding.
i hate sanding, but since i have no choice in the matter because it needs done i will be finishing my front fenders.
so that's what's up with me
by the way what ARE ghost flames?
-kathryn


jstntlvr MSG #325, 08-05-2011 11:12 AM
      example of ghost flames
http://www.flickr.com/photo...2508731618/lightbox/


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #326, 08-05-2011 11:47 AM
      better example of "true" ghost flames



its flames that are not fully filled, just the "outline" is a lighter/darker shade of the color of the paint, there for they look likes "ghostly" or "in" the paint, rather then just painted ontop.

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hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #327, 08-05-2011 11:51 AM
      ooohhh, i really like these..
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kathryn MSG #328, 08-06-2011 10:35 AM
      oh. okay then how would i do that with a pegasus?
i have only a bit of hand sanding before i finish my fenders soo...i'm close
i kinda like the way the flames look.....hmmm
got some choices to make don't i now.
-kathryn


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #329, 08-06-2011 01:33 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

oh. okay then how would i do that with a pegasus?
i have only a bit of hand sanding before i finish my fenders soo...i'm close
i kinda like the way the flames look.....hmmm
got some choices to make don't i now.
-kathryn


same way as the flames, just lay the logo down and paint it rather then the flame shapes, so it would be "ghosted" into the paint.

few ideas/example (first is my fav even know its not a full ghost imprint)
Click to show


from what ive read its somewhat easy to do for a good painter, they paint the car 1 base color, then they clear, just like a normalpaint job, then they add another layer of clear with the design or whatever, so its transparent but in the paint itself, i could be wrong on the method, but ive seen cars with a heavy pearl in the paint to do a disapearing effect on a desgn, one angle it looks like normal paint, then the sun hits it, and you see the design, (yes i know pearl and ghost painted is different before someone chimes in that im wrong)

get you dad to take you to some hotrod autoshows, you will see some really neat paint jobs...

well, im going to go back to pulling my engine out, feel free to bring me some water :P


kathryn MSG #330, 08-06-2011 03:14 PM
      have fun with your engine
thank you all for pictures
i'll have to look into some of that stuff
-kathryn


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #331, 08-06-2011 06:45 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

have fun with your engine
-kathryn


my engines angry...
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dont let things like this make you want to stop, let them be a notice that you need to build it stronger

time to order some expensive parts now :/


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #332, 08-06-2011 07:37 PM
      Kathryn, I'm sending your Dad a picture of a yellow Fiero with a ghost pegasus. If I send it through email, you can see it full sized. Posting here of course, it has to be reduced.

The car belonged to a former Georgia Fiero Club member. Johnnyrottin has the car now, so he might be able to provide other photos.


Richjk21 MSG #333, 08-06-2011 08:34 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by hookdonspeed:


my engines angry...



I would be too...



daveyhouse (daveyhouse@comcast.net) MSG #334, 08-07-2011 09:20 AM
      Look for edhubbs on youtube for painting ghostflames. He makes it look so easy, but I know I would find a way to botch it up.

I have read this every page of this topic, and all I can say WOW.
Awesome job so far Kathryn, and Dad too awesome job on your behalf.


thumper_64735 (william.m.powell@us.army.mil) MSG #335, 08-07-2011 02:26 PM
      Awsome work and excellent attention to detail. I just found this forum and read the entire thing. Great work and keep it up. Even if you don't realize it, you have done a tremendous amount of work and progress towards your dream. I can't wait to see the finished project.

kathryn MSG #336, 08-07-2011 05:33 PM
      ooooh uh bad luck on your engine!
and thank you to those of you who just found the thread and to all of you who have followed and been following me.
and just to let you all know it might be a while before you see the finished project i still have three years after all
thank you all again for your support
and i've practically finished my fenders
-kathryn
oh yeah i'm looking forward to seeing the ghost pegasus on the yellow car


kathryn MSG #337, 08-11-2011 08:53 AM
      i've seen the ghost pegasus on the yellow car and i really liked it but i have no idea how i'd do it with a black and yellow car any ideas?
thanks again to all of you out there that have made this a truly remarkable experience
and just to let you all know....i hated sanding but HAND sanding is ten times worse
help me now...lol
-kathryn


hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #338, 08-11-2011 09:02 AM
      hey kathryn, when my engines back in and running, ima start sanding for a paintjob, i hear you like sanding alot, so if you want, ill mail you the panels so you can do them

i kid i kid... but i havent seen the ghost peg so i cant give any ideas on it, sorry.


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #339, 08-11-2011 11:06 AM
      Here's the yellow one with the pegasus. Hope it's big enough to see.



hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #340, 08-11-2011 02:32 PM
      kathryn, i have an idea for your logo to go on the car with the stripe (if your painting the stripe on), lay the logo down in a semi heavy pearl in the clear coat, i looked but i cant seem to find any pictures to show what im talking about, maybe your dad can explain it to you, or show you...



blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #341, 08-11-2011 11:24 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Here's the yellow one with the pegasus. Hope it's big enough to see.




I really like that but, (and this is just personal taste) I'd probably make the Pegasus smaller on the hood. I'd keep it on the center panel and not cross over onto the other outside panels. Just my taste, nothing wrong with what's shown. Thanks for posting that pic.



jwrape MSG #342, 08-12-2011 06:36 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Here's the yellow one with the pegasus. Hope it's big enough to see.



I'm wondering how he has Mustang Cobra R wheels on that Fiero?



fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #343, 08-12-2011 08:17 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by jwrape:


I'm wondering how he has Mustang Cobra R wheels on that Fiero?



Those are Konig's


jwrape MSG #344, 08-12-2011 08:19 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:


Those are Konig's


Ah, so they are 5x100's?


kathryn MSG #345, 08-12-2011 12:14 PM
      i'm still sanding
and no i do not want to sand your panels no no no!
any way i really like the pegasus so
don't know what i'm going to choose though
i'm still open for ideas
thank you all for following my progress and i'm really enjoying having this thread!!!
-kathryn


2.5 MSG #346, 08-12-2011 01:07 PM
      To me, basically when people say ghost flames, or in this case a ghost pegasus they mean painted on so you can barely see it. The coolest way is with metallic flake to you see it when the light hits it. Also could be done by choosing a color for teh pegasus that is very very close to the body color on the car, or just tinting the same color you paint the car with with a little white or black for example to make ti just a bit different than the cars other paint. Basically you'd be going for subtle and not in your face huge and stnading out like a sore thumb, which some feel can take away from the beauty of the car to begin with.

This person ghosted racing stripes slightly darker than their paint, then ghosted flames in the stripes slightly darker than that:

http://www.allfordmustangs....pes-130-3079_img.jpg


sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #347, 08-12-2011 01:48 PM
      So much awesome progress on this project! Kudos to both Kathryn and dad. This is inspiring me to get on my dad and I's project with my little yellow Fiero. Keep up the good work!



1985FieroGT (aenge159@gmail.com) MSG #348, 08-13-2011 01:10 AM
      In case if you guys didn't know, there is a guy in Sanford, MI that owns around 35+ Fiero's... just take M-20 towards Midland, take M-30 to Saginaw Rd, and take a left at the Food Store, and go down a few miles... you can't miss them... the shops name is Fieros Forever... He has a lot of interesting things... including a rare top end of an engine that had only 12 ever produced... a rare dual-over head cammed 4 cylinder... that originally sold for $10,000 back in the 80's. As far as can be known, I don't think any of them ever exist anymore...

Remember, Sanford is only 20 or so miles from Mt Pleasant.

The guys name is Time Evans, but he doesn't have a fiero forum account.

He also has tons of parts.


Steven_Kreg (stevenkreg@yahoo.com) MSG #349, 08-13-2011 10:59 AM
      The heck with this ghost stuff... go bold!



blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #350, 08-15-2011 10:18 AM
      Here's a bump to get this thread back on page one.

Jerry, check your PMs/email. Sent you some pictures.

Looking for updates Katheryn.



kathryn MSG #351, 08-15-2011 10:36 AM
      okay updates right
i have now started sanding my front nose soo....that's what i'm finishing this afternoon
i'll get some pics up tomorrow i hope or if not on wednesday
i really like the ghost pegasus
and i think that might be what i'm leaning towards
so yeah i'll either do a ghost peg or a bold one
probably
thank you all and i just wanted to warn you all once i start school and get farther into my soccer season it will be a while before i have anything major to update....
i really am grateful to have all of you to get ideas from while on this project
thanks everybody
i'll be doing pics soon
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #352, 08-20-2011 11:55 AM
      Took a couple of days off to take the family to Cedar Point and visit Grandparents. Kathryn has progressed nicely on the sanding and she has some pics to upload. She also has new speakers for front and back so once we decide on a head unit the interior will be complete and ready to go back together. Getting ready to drop the cradle and start on the suspension.....Kathryn is excited to get back to mechanicals and away from sanding body panels....lol! But you guys alread knew that already.

-MH aka Dad


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #353, 08-20-2011 09:24 PM
      Kathryn, glad to see you back on and still working on your Fiero. Hope that you are done soon with the sanding then you can move on to something else you will like better.

blackrams (blackrams7@aol.com) MSG #354, 08-20-2011 11:19 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Took a couple of days off to take the family to Cedar Point and visit Grandparents. Kathryn has progressed nicely on the sanding and she has some pics to upload. She also has new speakers for front and back so once we decide on a head unit the interior will be complete and ready to go back together. Getting ready to drop the cradle and start on the suspension.....Kathryn is excited to get back to mechanicals and away from sanding body panels....lol! But you guys alread knew that already.

-MH aka Dad



Check your PMs please. Just looking for an answer to that issue we've discussed. Your option.



kathryn MSG #355, 08-21-2011 02:47 PM
      i'm soo sorry about those pics tomorrow it will be done i hope!!!
yes i'm close to finishing sanding....i'll just need to hand sand the rough places that aren't quite done once i finish the back and front!
my favorite thing to do so far has been interior you get stuff done over night!
-kathryn


Marine1981 MSG #356, 08-25-2011 12:39 PM
      Well I finally finished reading all of these posts. I like most of the people here are really impressed with your attention to detail and your work ethic on your car. Especially since you have so much other stuff going on. At the rate your going you are going to finish this car way before you are able to drive it. If you want to practice on one of my cars I can send it up there and let you work on it instead!!! lol

kathryn MSG #357, 08-31-2011 04:00 PM
      so long as you don't make me sand i'd be happy to!
-kathryn


Marine1981 MSG #358, 09-01-2011 09:29 PM
      My orange one just needs interior. It has a dash and door panels. That's it for the interior. lol

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #359, 09-02-2011 07:14 AM
      Hey...that is my car!!!!! And yes, they are 17" Konig Villain II rims. The Pegasus was a ghost decal that was clearcoated in. You could see it from some angles and it would completely disappear from other angles. It was a fantastic add. That is the PO Ronnie Felcher.


 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Here's the yellow one with the pegasus. Hope it's big enough to see.

[This message has been edited by johnyrottin (edited 09-02-2011).]

Marine1981 MSG #360, 09-02-2011 12:55 PM
      Johnny, I want that car. Just saying...

bubbajoexxx (bubbajoexx@sympatico.ca) MSG #361, 09-21-2011 12:35 PM
      have you lost interest in posting progress 9 pages back and no updates

Marine1981 MSG #362, 09-21-2011 01:12 PM
      If she kept up the pace she was at she would be looking at it in the driveway for a couple years before she could drive it lol.

2.5 MSG #363, 09-21-2011 01:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by bubbajoexxx:

have you lost interest in posting progress 9 pages back and no updates


 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

thank you all and i just wanted to warn you all once i start school and get farther into my soccer season it will be a while before i have anything major to update....
-kathryn




kathryn MSG #364, 09-26-2011 03:05 PM
      sooooo
sorry
i got so caught up in school and soccer that i have not had that much time to do anything
and i didn't get the pics either
i will now be diligent and keep this promise i will now get on and post updates or not at least every saturday or monday
hope you will forgive me and continue to stay on top of this post
thank you all i am truly sorry so look for updates on saturdays and mondays
sorry
kathryn d.


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #365, 09-26-2011 06:56 PM
      Glad to see you're back.

carnut122 MSG #366, 09-26-2011 07:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

sooooo
sorry
i got so caught up in school and soccer that i have not had that much time to do anything
and i didn't get the pics either
i will now be diligent and keep this promise i will now get on and post updates or not at least every saturday or monday
hope you will forgive me and continue to stay on top of this post
thank you all i am truly sorry so look for updates on saturdays and mondays
sorry
kathryn d.


Don't let them distract you. School is more important (coming from a teacher)!


johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #367, 09-26-2011 07:30 PM
      School and family come first...you will have plenty of years for cars but those are one shot deals!

kathryn MSG #368, 10-04-2011 03:50 PM
      been sick and i am still sick thanks for the support
so no updates other than i'm sick.
but yeah so sorry can't really help it sorry to tired to type sat. and totally couldn't get on monday
kathryn
sorry


cptsnoopy (cptsnoopy@cox.net) MSG #369, 10-05-2011 04:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

been sick and i am still sick thanks for the support
so no updates other than i'm sick.
but yeah so sorry can't really help it sorry to tired to type sat. and totally couldn't get on monday
kathryn
sorry


Bummer! Best wishes on a speedy recovery!!!

Charlie



kathryn MSG #370, 10-08-2011 05:49 PM
      yeah it was upsetting i was stuck in the house, by my own choices....
i caught up at school
and i hope to be able to work on my car soon
i won my soccer game today and my sister tied 1-1
kathryn


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #371, 10-26-2011 11:06 PM
      Bump to get this back up top. Anything new?

Gixxer Quad MSG #372, 10-27-2011 03:52 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

sooooo
sorry
i got so caught up in school and soccer that i have not had that much time to do anything
and i didn't get the pics either
i will now be diligent and keep this promise i will now get on and post updates or not at least every saturday or monday
hope you will forgive me and continue to stay on top of this post
thank you all i am truly sorry so look for updates on saturdays and mondays
sorry
kathryn d.

 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

been sick and i am still sick thanks for the support
so no updates other than i'm sick.
but yeah so sorry can't really help it sorry to tired to type sat. and totally couldn't get on monday
kathryn
sorry


you're a busy 12/13 year old girl trying to get through school, don't feel like you owe anybody on here anything at all, especially an apology. lol... we all think it's cool as hell that you're doing what you're doing (and you're already far past what i would comfortably do with my own fiero), so just update when you can, and don't worry about saying sorry.


86 toy MSG #373, 10-27-2011 06:37 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Gixxer Quad:


you're a busy 12/13 year old girl trying to get through school, don't feel like you owe anybody on here anything at all, especially an apology. lol... we all think it's cool as hell that you're doing what you're doing (and you're already far past what i would comfortably do with my own fiero), so just update when you can, and don't worry

about saying sorry.


X2!



kathryn MSG #374, 11-01-2011 05:26 PM
      nothing new but soccers over so i can start working on something....
soon.
thank you all for still getting on
kathryn
thanks!!!


carnut122 MSG #375, 11-01-2011 07:39 PM
      Keep after your education. Cars will come and go.

kathryn MSG #376, 11-06-2011 07:33 PM
      hope cars don't go that fast
especially after all this work i have and will put into it!!!!
-kathryn


carnut122 MSG #377, 11-06-2011 10:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

hope cars don't go that fast
especially after all this work i have and will put into it!!!!
-kathryn


When the Fiero is gone, you'll still have the skills, work ethic, and knowledge that you'll apply to another vehicle (and life in general). One thing is for sure, you'll take much better care of your Fiero since you know exactly how much work it took to get it into the shape that you want it.


kathryn MSG #378, 11-10-2011 05:43 PM
      well to be honest i've considered getting a beater car just to keep my baby (fiero) nice.
because after all this work especially on the body work of someone even sratches my paint they will
meet my wrath!!!
just kidding but seriously i love my car and it isn't finished yet
-kathryn


Richjk21 MSG #379, 01-08-2012 08:04 AM
      Bump... progress?


Vernon8360 MSG #380, 02-21-2012 12:58 PM
      It is the middle of "winter" so I would imagine you are very busy going to school (very important) involved in after school activities and sports (almost as important) and keeping your parents inline. (a difficult job at best) Keep up the good work and when better weather and time allow, your Fiero brothers and sisters would like to be brought up to date on the car so we can offer our usual praises and unsolicited advice.



Marine1981 MSG #381, 02-21-2012 01:09 PM
      Yeah, I imagine it's a bit cold to be doing too much up there anyway. I'm sure we will see a lot of updates over the summer.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #382, 03-24-2012 02:51 PM
      Just a quick note from Kathryn's dad. We haven't forgotten. Things are actually moving forward. Looking for a good 3.4 if anyone knows of any local to mid-michigan or has any suggestions. Kathryn has decided to not do spring soccer to have more time to dedicate to her car....she has been working all winter to save money for new parts and additions. I'm sure some more photos will be up soon.

-MH


Oosky (savvypotc@yahoo.com) MSG #383, 03-24-2012 03:58 PM
      I just read the first and last page of this thread, but I just wanted to say that it's AWESOME that a 12 year old girl wants a Fiero!! I'm a 26 year old girl and I've been into cars since I was around that age, but no one took the time to teach me how to work on them, I STILL don't know how, I wish I had someone around who would've taught me that stuff! Hopefully I'll learn soon But yea, it's rare for a girl to like cars at all, let alone Fieros, AND want to learn to work on them, AND when you're that young! So, rock on!!!



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #384, 03-27-2012 04:58 PM
      So we discovered a small crack in the front drivers side fender. Kathryn worked on glassing that back together last night, and once it has set up it will be sanding it back smooth. Photos forthcoming shortly.

-MH


kathryn MSG #385, 04-09-2012 07:00 PM
      Now I just need to figure out how to get this photo posting software to work again! Been working on cleaning up the tail lights and pulling the engine soon!

MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #386, 04-09-2012 07:38 PM
      Kathryn, it is good to see you back on the forum. Keep up the good work. I know how your life must be full right about now. I have several grand daughters in that age range and they are always going and doing something. Have fun.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #387, 04-09-2012 07:56 PM
      So Kathryn had to have dad help out with the photo posting, but hey...what are dad's for right? Anyway, she has been back into it with a passion now that Michigan has recovered from its deep freeze. Now she is thinking that we might need to do some lambo doors....I think an order for hinges might be in the works soon. Also, looking to pull the engine soon and perhaps going to the 3.4 we'll see what the 2.8 looks like once we get it out and stripped apart. Most of the body work is done and ready for paint. She just needs to work on the back clip. Anyway, here are some of the photos that I don't think got uploaded previously.

Kathryn needs to get up for some welding as you can see from this picture (and this is only part of it) her MIG skills will get a workout. But hey, that is how you learn. Can I just tell you that I am kinda geeked out about a daughter that likes to weld...lol!

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Then of course the part that EVERY teenager needs....new speakers! We got a deal on these, so they are going up front and in the pillars.

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Of course she hasn't neglected her sanding...as she indicated many, many times above...and even more times to me. She likes interior work, and mechanical, and welding...the sanding not so much. I guess she won't be doing any more body work than she has too...lol

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and of course pulling the small parts off for their own paint work

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Then....a small problem. A crack in the drivers side front fender.

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So it is time to clean it up

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Mix some epoxy and fiberglass and patch it up from the back

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Then tape it off

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and sand, prime and paint the rub strip

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Then tonight...some quiet time while we work on bringing back the taillights that the owner before Kathryn painted over....She was NOT amused...but she saved them!

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-MH


What about Bob (rherriges@sbcglobal.net) MSG #388, 04-09-2012 08:37 PM
      Kathryn,
I'm glad that you're still working on your project and haven't lost interest. Neither of my boys showed any interest in cars. You are doing great work. I have to ask, is that the Mother's Powerball or Meguiier's and how did it work on your tailights? I need to polish mine and was trying to figure out which was best.
You're going to have a great car when you're done!



Matthews 88 (zilch8000@gmail.com) MSG #389, 04-11-2012 08:52 PM
      Hey Kathryn, my dads friend has a fiero he is selling. I want to offer him 500$ because that is what is worth. I am 12 years old too and i also want to buy a fiero so i can drive when im older. The only major problems it has is the clutch line and the medium amount of rust in the back. It does not run so if i buy it i want to have money left over to fix that problem. What do you say, should i buy it.

Matthew


88lambofiero (itsmyfiero1@aol.com) MSG #390, 04-11-2012 09:17 PM
      Have you guys ever been to the dells show? If not you should go, great show lots of nice people loads of ideas for your car.

nitroheadz28 MSG #391, 04-12-2012 12:04 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

So Kathryn had to have dad help out with the photo posting, but hey...what are dad's for right? Anyway, she has been back into it with a passion now that Michigan has recovered from its deep freeze. Now she is thinking that we might need to do some lambo doors....I think an order for hinges might be in the works soon. Also, looking to pull the engine soon and perhaps going to the 3.4 we'll see what the 2.8 looks like once we get it out and stripped apart. Most of the body work is done and ready for paint. She just needs to work on the back clip. Anyway, here are some of the photos that I don't think got uploaded previously.

-MH


I've got a used set of bolt on hinges for sale in the mall- shameless plug

Great to see that interest hasn't been lost in this project! Still inspired by all the progress made up until now.


kathryn MSG #392, 04-12-2012 06:29 PM
      okay this is new, people coming to ME for car stuff...interesting but i'll give it my best shot. For cleaning up my tail lights i used a kit from the brand Mothers, it came with light sandpaper and cleaning solution and the buffer/blue thingy. also it came with a towel to get all the ucky stuff off when finished. so i think it worked pretty well..amazing actually but you have to be REALLY CAREFUL with the sandpaper unless you just make it worse. does that answer your question..oh also it was about $20 for the kit.
also about the 500 dollar fiero that doesn't run, that doesn't sound like too bad of a car but you will want to check the condition of your suspention, frame, body panels, ect. your engine to get it running is going to take some determination and hard work, but if the rest is in fairly good shape i'd say to go for it.
and i'm seriously going to look into those Lambo door hinges!
thank you everyone for being so patient with me so just spread the word that I AM BACK!!!
but literally i'm glad to be working on my car again, i've missed my baby...( when i refer to my baby it's my fiero!..just to let you know
-kathryn d.


Matthews 88 (zilch8000@gmail.com) MSG #393, 04-13-2012 03:42 PM
      hey Kathryn, its me again. I'm sorry i miss wrote the post. The car does run BUT you can't drive it because the clutch line is broken.



kathryn MSG #394, 04-13-2012 09:05 PM
      Hey Matthew,
if it does run and the clutch and the rust are your only major problems i'd say to go for it, but be warned it's going to take alot of effort and determination! also you will probably find other little things to fix but don't get discouraged just keep in mind that our Fieros are older cars and just need a little bit of care. Hope you find the project worthwhile and good luck!!
also you can find tons of good advice all over this forum, not just on this thread though...so if you get stuck just look around on the site!
again good luck and enjoy your little Fiero!
-Kathryn


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #395, 04-16-2012 02:00 PM
      Kathryn,

Congrats on making it onto Jalopnik!
http://jalopnik.com/5901950...or-her-sweet-sixteen

Thanks to FieroSTETZ for finding the Jalop post.

[This message has been edited by Synthesis (edited 04-16-2012).]

mrfred8 MSG #396, 04-16-2012 02:17 PM
      .

[This message has been edited by mrfred8 (edited 04-16-2012).]

no2pencil (jason@akroncdnr.com) MSG #397, 04-16-2012 04:17 PM
      A little late, but I would like to add that my favorite part of this story is that she haggled over the price.

kathryn MSG #398, 04-16-2012 06:15 PM
      oh. my. gosh. I'm on jalopnik!!!!
that's....that's....wow.
um....i'm kinda at a loss for words
but my tail lights are polished and all the paint is off. I think that sometime soon we're going to start digging into my engine. also I'm really excited about jalopnik, but also kind of dissapointed that nobody my age will know what in the world i'm talking about, or very few will know.
Thank you for all of your support, and special thanks to alerting me about that article!!!
-Kathryn


BlackThunderGT MSG #399, 04-16-2012 06:43 PM
      Congrats!

85sliverGT (zymogenesyst@hotmail.com) MSG #400, 04-16-2012 07:04 PM
      Congrats! If any of your friends question what Jalopnik is just let them know it's one of the biggest car web sites on the Internet

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #401, 04-16-2012 07:19 PM
     

Posted by ne1245 on Jalop...

[This message has been edited by Synthesis (edited 04-16-2012).]

MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #402, 04-16-2012 07:42 PM
      Kathryn: Congratulations on being on Jalopnik. Just so you know that it is also on Gizmodo which has links to Jalopnik. Here is a link to that http://gizmodo.com/

It is at the bottom of the page under the Jalopnik postings.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #403, 04-16-2012 07:52 PM
      Thanks so much, whoever was responsible for putting this together, and for bringing it to our attention!

-MH aka Dad


FieroFan81 MSG #404, 04-16-2012 07:58 PM
      Yes, Kathryn, you are on Jalopnik.com. And yes, that's awesome! That is where I learned of this thread... and I look forward to following your progress over the next few years as you continue to build what will undoubtedly be a really cool Fiero. I spent the last several hours enthralled and amazed by this thread, catching up on what you have done so far... and might I add that you are doing an awesome job.

I am amazed and inspired by what you are doing with your Fiero. I think that you are a pretty awesome kid, and are certainly a shining jewel of your generation. The dedication you are putting into every step, making sure things are done right, is inspiring. I'll admit you have humbled me, as I have always wanted to do what you are doing, but have always found reasons to not do so, and now I'm being shown up by a 13 year old girl (no offense meant)! I have no excuses now (lol)!

Keep at it, I can't wait to see the day when the car is finished!


mrfred8 MSG #405, 04-16-2012 08:11 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Thanks so much, whoever was responsible for putting this together, and for bringing it to our attention!

-MH aka Dad


Glad you and Kathryn are happy with the Jalopnik story. I sent them a link to this thread last week via their tips email. Then I was worried you might not want the attention.



fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #406, 04-16-2012 09:16 PM
      With over 30,000 hits on this thread, why worry about another 100K on Jalopnik? You're already popular, Kathryn.

DanielAndrade MSG #407, 04-16-2012 09:31 PM
      Congrats Kathryn, you 're doing a great job with your Fiero.
I see your history in jalopnik and I very surprised how you 're doing the restoration and I can't wait to see the car is finished
You and the car are AMAZING!

**in fact im a little bit jelous, 'cos in brazil cars are too expensive, new or used. Old cars (90's ~~ 80's) cost around 6500 dollars. My dream it's restore a car, just like you, and I expect do something like this one day!



snowblindburd (dissimulated@hotmail.com) MSG #408, 04-16-2012 10:00 PM
      Glad to see you're still working hard on this car! Keep on going!



R Runner (rrunner@windstream.net) MSG #409, 04-17-2012 05:21 AM
      WOW! This is really a great story. Thank you for sharing and the inspiration. Keep going! With determination an a vision any goal is possible.

I'm just really impressed.



a_bartle (abartle@glis.net) MSG #410, 04-17-2012 09:45 AM
      I saw the story on Jalopnik as well, it's nice to see someone in your generation so dedicated to a project! This brings a cool "new" light to our beloved "Fiero" family and heritage.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #411, 04-17-2012 10:57 AM
      Thanks to everyone for their kind words of encouragement for Kathryn. I thought you all might like to know as well that she has been invited to do a radio interview with Bob Rivers tomorrow 4/18 at 7:35 PCT on the project. She is excited and nervous all at the same time.
http://www.bobrivers.com/#v11974

-MH aka Kathryn's Dad


SweetMacaroni (oldirty@pimpstarz.com) MSG #412, 04-17-2012 12:37 PM
      I created an account just so I can tell you how amazing this all is!

@michhiker28: You did a good job raising your daughter, can be proud

@Kathryn: You are by far the coolest 14 years old I've ever heard of! The project is just plain amazing!! Wish you all the good luck, Quebec City is looking forward for that car!

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85SEnochie (eqoflife@hotmail.com) MSG #413, 04-17-2012 12:59 PM
      This is really cool to follow, Nice Work!

Terry



michfiero (tvwilson@wowway.com) MSG #414, 04-17-2012 01:24 PM
      Hey Karthryn...way to go!

Greetings from Plymouth! We're a two Fiero family and I have a few parts laying around...you or you Dad can PM me if you are looking for something in particular.



kathryn MSG #415, 04-17-2012 06:42 PM
      hey everybody!
thank you all who have supported, continue to support, and those who just joined for all of your encouragement and help.
i just want to let you all know that i don't think that i have done this all my self, everybody on this thread, at home, and hundreds of others have helped me along.
Thank you.
Very soon i will be welding some stuff in my trunk...don't ask me what i'm not really that sure...but my dad knows so it's all good...
Thanks again everybody, and thank you for all your posts and assistance!!
-kathryn


Formula88 MSG #416, 04-17-2012 09:41 PM
      So, what's it like to be famous?

carnut122 MSG #417, 04-17-2012 09:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

Kathryn,

Congrats on making it onto Jalopnik!
http://jalopnik.com/5901950...or-her-sweet-sixteen

Thanks to FieroSTETZ for finding the Jalop post.



Nice score! Congratulations Kathryn!


Rallaster MSG #418, 04-17-2012 11:45 PM
      Heh. Found an article on Yahoo! linking here. Very nice.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs...-16th-222215394.html

[This message has been edited by Rallaster (edited 04-17-2012).]

mattwa (mattwa.inc@gmail.com) MSG #419, 04-18-2012 12:23 AM
      Wow, great stuff! Really awesome job for someone such as yourself, at 14 I sure wasn't as into cars as much as you are now. But when I got my first Fiero at 16, I became obsessed with it and here I am now, 4 years and 4 engine swaps later. It's a really awesome feeling, to drive around in a car that you can say you built yourself. It gives a feeling of pride and accomplishment that very little else can give you, and certainly makes all the hard work, money, and frustration worth it. That is my piece of advice, if you ever get so incredibly frustrated from things repeatedly not working or a big let down on something, just walk away and do something else. It happens, I have been there more times then I care to remember with these Fieros, I have times were I wanted to sell everything and/or destroy it from such frustration. But I dealt with it all, and I'm glad I never did anything drastic like that.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 04-18-2012).]

Will-Martin MSG #420, 04-18-2012 03:45 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

hey everybody!
thank you all who have supported, continue to support, and those who just joined for all of your encouragement and help.
i just want to let you all know that i don't think that i have done this all my self, everybody on this thread, at home, and hundreds of others have helped me along.
Thank you.
Very soon i will be welding some stuff in my trunk...don't ask me what i'm not really that sure...but my dad knows so it's all good...
Thanks again everybody, and thank you for all your posts and assistance!!
-kathryn


Hey pretty cool that you are wrenching and doing work on your own car. For some reason the pictures are not showing up for me, but I look forward to seeing the finished product.

--Will



FieroFan81 MSG #421, 04-18-2012 04:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Thanks to everyone for their kind words of encouragement for Kathryn. I thought you all might like to know as well that she has been invited to do a radio interview with Bob Rivers tomorrow 4/18 at 7:35 PCT on the project. She is excited and nervous all at the same time.
http://www.bobrivers.com/#v11974

-MH aka Kathryn's Dad


Is that 7:35 AM or 7:35 PM? I'm assuming PM...?

[This message has been edited by FieroFan81 (edited 04-18-2012).]

Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #422, 04-18-2012 05:40 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rallaster:

Heh. Found an article on Yahoo! linking here. Very nice.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs...-16th-222215394.html



Which is why the image server is currently down. The extra traffic to this thread (and all its images) brought the image server to its knees!

(I temporarily routed the images back to the PFF server so at least the images in this thread show up)


Fiero84Freak (hhraganiv@ualr.edu) MSG #423, 04-18-2012 07:28 AM
      It's great that an individual in the Fiero community is again being recognized for dedicating their time to keep another Fiero on the road. You're going to really enjoy the car when it's completed, now that it has the attention that it has since everyone will now know "Kathryn, the girl with the Fiero."

And Cliff, I think you're about to get a burst of new forum account creations

[This message has been edited by Fiero84Freak (edited 04-18-2012).]

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #424, 04-18-2012 08:14 AM
      It goes without saying.... The view count for this thread would jump a bit with the publicity you are receiving Kathryn...

You had approximately 30,000 views when the story broke on Jalop, as of this post, you are at 64744 including my view so I could post this.

More than double within a few very short days.

Good luck on your interview this morning.


kathryn MSG #425, 04-18-2012 08:22 AM
      Cliff I am sooo sorry,
I didn't know, that this was going to happen it just came up out of the blue!!! I'm truly sorry for making the pictures not show up!!
Thank you for saving my pictures for my thread, still sorry about the server though.

Also thank you everybody, it's cool to see this project take off like this.
And it is at 7:35 AM PCT by the way for those who are wondering.

Thanks and Sorry!!!
-kathryn


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #426, 04-18-2012 08:37 AM
      Today is the First Anniversary of this thread. One year for 30,000 hits and one day to double it. Just keep the dedication you've had and don't let the notoriety distract you. I previously mentioned my 12 year old Granddaughter latching claims to my yellow 86SE. She turns 13 next month, and I'm using you as a role model for her. Thank you.

Pete Matos MSG #427, 04-18-2012 08:43 AM
      Kathryn,
In the Immortal words of Dude Crush......"You So Totally Rock Squirt!!" Keep on keepin' on and finish that car. I look forward to reading about your first drive in it and can't wait to see your smiling face from the drivers seat going to school or whatnot in your custom built fiero....way to go...peace

Pete



Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #428, 04-18-2012 08:46 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

Cliff I am sooo sorry,
I didn't know, that this was going to happen it just came up out of the blue!!! I'm truly sorry for making the pictures not show up!!
Thank you for saving my pictures for my thread, still sorry about the server though.


No worries Kathryn.

I'll think of something to make sure the servers can handle the load.

You just enjoy your new celeb status!


mrfred8 MSG #429, 04-18-2012 09:20 AM
      Next time I send a thread to Jalopnik, I will give you a heads up first Cliff



RWDPLZ MSG #430, 04-18-2012 09:28 AM
      Just saw the frame rust pics a few pages back, here's what I did to fix mine, might give you a few ideas:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/121544.html


kathryn MSG #431, 04-18-2012 10:15 AM
      thank you
I'll be sure to check that out.
well i better get off and get ready to get interviewed
-kathryn
p.s. wish me luck


Justinbart MSG #432, 04-18-2012 10:17 AM
      I forgot all about this thread. Keep it up and don't get discouraged. I got my first Fiero when I was 17. Once you've put time into a fiero you can work on anything. It's a great car to get "creative" with. Good luck!



mrfred8 MSG #433, 04-18-2012 10:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

well i better get off and get ready to get interviewed
-kathryn
p.s. wish me luck


Good luck with the interview. Jay Leno will probably be calling next.


Dodgerunner (dodgerunner@yahoo.com) MSG #434, 04-18-2012 10:27 AM
      Will be interesting to see what the viewer count does while she is on the show.

FieroFan81 MSG #435, 04-18-2012 10:46 AM
      Good job on the interview, Kathryn!

Vernon8360 MSG #436, 04-18-2012 10:47 AM
      Wonderful job! If my math is correct, you'll be 16 in 2014. It's not too early to begin planning your trip to attend the 5th Annual Tyler Shipman Car Show. Feel free to extend the invitation to your parents as well, even if they are Corvette fans. They can put a sign in the window that says: "My other car is a Fiero." Keep up the great work.

[This message has been edited by Vernon8360 (edited 04-18-2012).]

COUNTIBLIS (christopherbarger@comcast.net) MSG #437, 04-18-2012 12:08 PM
      Had to come back and say awesome job. Way to represent and keep up the good work!

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #438, 04-18-2012 12:08 PM
      Four hours later, and the view count has gone up by another 20,000 people.

83958 as of this post.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #439, 04-18-2012 12:16 PM
      Corvette Barn: http://www.thevettebarn.com...-will-go-places.html
Huskermax.com http://www.huskermax.com/vb...car-here-in-Michigan
The Mary Sue: http://www.themarysue.com/t...uilding-her-own-car/
ADVRider.com http://www.advrider.com/for...hread.php?p=18486345


spark1 MSG #440, 04-18-2012 12:51 PM
      My daughter just sent me this link http://www.tecca.com/news/2...tiac-fiero-teen-car/

The story seems to be everywhere!


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #441, 04-18-2012 12:59 PM
      Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.c...fiero_n_1432855.html
You even made a site called Adafruit that I hang out on. http://www.adafruit.com/blo...-builds-her-own-car/
Limelife: http://www.limelife.com/blo...wn%20Car/139127.html


10SecOrBust (nicholas76@sbcglobal.net) MSG #442, 04-18-2012 01:09 PM
      Kathryn,

I happened upon your thread here and wanted to congratulate you on your build. It's inspirational to see someone with your motivation and see someone take the initiative that you have.

I hope your interview goes well, and good luck on the remainder of your build.

[This message has been edited by 10SecOrBust (edited 04-18-2012).]

YELLOWJACKET (yellowjacketmr2@gmail.com) MSG #443, 04-18-2012 01:10 PM
      Yeah, its hit MSN.COM on the cover page now... thats how I got here. Reaching VIRAL status now.
http://now.msn.com/money/04...-restores-fiero.aspx

I have a yellow and black 85 MR2 and the color scheme Kat would probably like......... here are some pics:
(Full slideshow HERE and find more of the MR2 community on www.mr2oc.com)


Interior


Keep up the good work, Kat!!

YJ

[This message has been edited by YELLOWJACKET (edited 04-18-2012).]

demandred MSG #444, 04-18-2012 01:25 PM
      Saw a link to this on MSN this morning. Congratulations Kathryn!!! You are a national story!! I will be showing this to my 16 and 13 year old daughters. Definitely an inspirational achievement.

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #445, 04-18-2012 01:35 PM
      More links (I really have nothing better to do. lol)

Digg.com (Social Media, points to LimeLife) http://digg.com/newsbar/top...building_her_own_car

TheMotorBookStore (on Blogspot) http://themotorbookstore.bl...ing-car-for-her.html

AACA http://forums.aaca.org/f116/car-girl-326529.html

Miata.net http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=457668

KWKH Online (Radio): http://kwkhonline.com/teena...ntage-pontiac-fiero/

Guyspeed (Potentially NSFW images) http://guyspeed.com/teenage...ntage-pontiac-fiero/

R3V Limited http://www.r3vlimited.com/b...thread.php?p=3123476

[This message has been edited by Synthesis (edited 04-18-2012).]

Tweeter MSG #446, 04-18-2012 01:49 PM
      Wow your about to break 100,000

johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #447, 04-18-2012 02:30 PM
      Maybe Kathryn can come top Germany and fix your car for you!

TheDigitalAlchemist (crumore@ffn.com) MSG #448, 04-18-2012 03:39 PM
      Heh, a coworker just sent me the link:

http://jalopnik.com/5901950...or-her-sweet-sixteen


CONGRATS!

[This message has been edited by TheDigitalAlchemist (edited 04-18-2012).]

njcwgrl (njcwgrl1@yahoo.com) MSG #449, 04-18-2012 03:58 PM
      WOW This is just Great..your doing a fantasic job Kathryn I for one am Very Proud of you



InTheLead MSG #450, 04-18-2012 04:15 PM
      We have a celebrity on the forums~

Nice work!


johnyrottin (johnharbour@hotmail.com) MSG #451, 04-18-2012 04:49 PM
      Prime time!!!! MSN!!!!!

And I quote, "...one bad-ass 14 year old..."

http://now.msn.com/money/04...-restores-fiero.aspx

[This message has been edited by johnyrottin (edited 04-18-2012).]

JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #452, 04-18-2012 05:39 PM
      Congrats Kathryn!

My only question is... Why is this thread not in "The Construction Zone"?


MetroMightyMouse (jon_kelley1@netzero.net) MSG #453, 04-18-2012 06:07 PM
      Hey Kathryn, keep the spirit!! I am a fellow "got to do it all myself" car crafter, and a bit of a mad scientist by necessity as I have a 95 Geo Metro (Mighty Mouse) and very little is available to purchase. I did have an idea for your paint scheme that combines your original design with the ideas you are leaning toward. If you want to keep your yellow racing stripes on the hood and have a Pegasus, you can alternate the color as it goes across the stripe. So you would have a yellow or ghosted black / yellow Pegasus on the hood that shifts to black or ghosted yellow / black over the stripe.

Good luck and great work so far, so many people are too afraid to even try just a small portion of what you've done and you have had admirable success.
MMM
Jon


kathryn MSG #454, 04-18-2012 06:30 PM
      thank you everybody for all of your kind support and enthusiasm!!
also thank you for all of the suggestions, and just a reminder i will get a video of me welding sometime this week!!
thanks again,
I'm only keeping tabs on what's going on through this forum!!
-kathryn


Formula88 MSG #455, 04-18-2012 08:03 PM
      Just a suggestion if people are interested. Since there are other threads discussing Kathryn's new found fame, we could discuss the articles, etc. in those threads and keep this one for her build.

Just a thought. There's already a growing list of links about her build here: www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/088991.html


Rallaster MSG #456, 04-18-2012 08:14 PM
      139,000 views as of this post... That is INSANE!

[sing]Insane in the membrane. Insane in the brain![/sing]

Whoa!

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Formula88 MSG #457, 04-18-2012 08:32 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rallaster:

139,000 views as of this post... That is INSANE!

[sing]Insane in the membrane. Insane in the brain![/sing]

Whoa!



140k


carnut122 MSG #458, 04-18-2012 08:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula88:


140k


So, anybody know the record number of views for a PFF thread? Has she broken the record yet?


Rallaster MSG #459, 04-18-2012 08:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:


So, anybody know the record number of views for a PFF thread? Has she broken the record yet?


Girls with Fieros has 961108. She has a looooooong way to go to beat that mark. BUT, I think the fact that she crashed Cliff's servers should earn her some kind of reward as I'm fairly certain he's not seen that kind of deluge before.


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #460, 04-18-2012 09:36 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Rallaster:


Girls with Fieros has 961108. She has a looooooong way to go to beat that mark. BUT, I think the fact that she crashed Cliff's servers should earn her some kind of reward as I'm fairly certain he's not seen that kind of deluge before.


I don't even think the Tyler Project brought any servers down, although it DID generate a lot of traffic and publicity.


ProTouringCuda (jskurka@twcny.rr.com) MSG #461, 04-18-2012 10:45 PM
      Just had to join this forum and make a reply post after seeing the article on MSN.

Kathryn and MH - Keep up the AWESOME work! This thread is very inspiring. I recently became a dad at age 48, and I can only hope that my 9 month old daugher takes a liking to cars as you have. I've been a car guy all my life, and still own the second car I ever bought (the Mustang there in my sig). I've owned it for 32 years.

I'm now building the Barracuda - I can hope that she takes a liking to it, and will help dad out in the Garage at some point.

Oh - and I forgot to mention, that the VERY FIRST NEW CAR I owned was a 1986 Fiero GT. The first year for the fastback style GT. I loved that car. 2.8L with a 4 speed. That car would Get up and Go! I finally had to give it up after having replaced the clutch once, then the transmission.

Anyhow, I have read through the first 5 pages of your build, and at times, have almost been brought to tears - it's a really great father daughter build.

Keep it going - and look forward to the end product and watching as you continue to build and grow!

John
'65 Barracuda
'65 Mustang

[This message has been edited by ProTouringCuda (edited 04-18-2012).]

Rallaster MSG #462, 04-18-2012 11:26 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:


I don't even think the Tyler Project brought any servers down, although it DID generate a lot of traffic and publicity.


Yeah, I was just talking to one of the Tyler's Toy contributors and he mentioned the same thing, but then again, I think there was enough going on and enough people involved with enough different places to go that the traffic was more spread out. EVERY article I have read about Kathryn's build direct links to this thread.


California Kid MSG #463, 04-19-2012 12:35 AM
      Kathryn, first of all - I admire the fact that you chose to take on the project, and your determination to learn your way through it. Secondly, I wanted to let you know my cousin (also a car nut with many excellent street and race cars) out in LA, Calif. sent me the MSN link to your story today. I'm certain that you and your Parents are very proud that this story has gone "Global" !

Best Wishes on your project.

Tom



IMSA GT (drumwzrd@comcast.net) MSG #464, 04-19-2012 12:46 AM
      First off, great job on the build Kathryn. Second, on behalf of the forum, I'd like to thank all of the new members who joined from other automotive websites solely to support this talented, young lady. It proves that the automotive world has no boundaries

tbone42 MSG #465, 04-19-2012 01:10 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:

Yeah, its hit MSN.COM on the cover page now... thats how I got here. Reaching VIRAL status now.
http://now.msn.com/money/04...-restores-fiero.aspx

I have a yellow and black 85 MR2 and the color scheme Kat would probably like......... here are some pics:
(Full slideshow HERE and find more of the MR2 community on www.mr2oc.com)


Interior


Keep up the good work, Kat!!

YJ



Trying... not.. to.. troll..

dang MR2 owners never had a use for us before..

Ok! Anyhow, "welcome" to the forum, sorry i have to keep the old rivalry alive. Stick around, buy a Fiero, try the veal.

Shifting gears...

From the comment section of the MSN article:
 
quote
I know those cars inside out. Rebuilt 3 of themm myself. Warning to the girl if she is reading this. Be very careul with the battery cable. Route it right or it will burst into flames.

[This message has been edited by tbone42 (edited 04-19-2012).]

maryjane MSG #466, 04-19-2012 02:11 AM
      Wow--what a story--what an impressive drive and determination!!

fierodoug (fiero_doug@yahoo.com) MSG #467, 04-19-2012 02:49 AM
      I too restored an '86 SE 4 speed...Bought it before I knew it had the best power to weight ratio of all years and models.
I loved driving that car hard, but family life required a change in transportation.
Pep Boy performance radials were great, but I always replaced 1 pair every 18 months .
Oh, and don't tun on the headlights at 120 mph.
If you decide to keep the 2.8, look into addressing oil starvation of the center bearing. Due to that, I bought my SE for a song, and rebuilt the crank, installed an RV-profile cam, and was on the road.
While engine cradle is out, have the tranny refreshed. I had to pull tranny and replace the 1-2 syncro assembly two years after engine overhaul. Parts came from a Fiero salvage yard on east cost (I'm in Cali.). Can/t remember the name off hand, but the guy had every piece you could imagine.
You are doing a fine job and keeping your patience, keep your patience and youy will have a car to be proud of. Do it right, and you only need to do it once.


BlackEmrald (mailjesse@gmx.com) MSG #468, 04-19-2012 06:41 AM
      Kathryn, you are Famous.


degs (joe.manno@gmail.com) MSG #469, 04-19-2012 07:28 AM
      Congrats on the internet fame! You deserve the attention.

Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #470, 04-19-2012 07:48 AM
      I just heard the Bob Rivers interview. Dammit - Jalopnik is getting all the credits!

("you got on a popular car website called... Jalopnik dot com..." )


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #471, 04-19-2012 08:16 AM
      Fantastic interview, just listened to it myself.

Also...
POPULAR SCIENCE!
http://www.popsci.com/cars/...s-her-own-future-car


mrfred8 MSG #472, 04-19-2012 08:44 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

I just heard the Bob Rivers interview. Dammit - Jalopnik is getting all the credits!

("you got on a popular car website called... Jalopnik dot com..." )


Yeah, thats good and bad. If it wasnt for Jalopnik running with the tip I sent them, the story would not have gone viral. But it would be nice for Pennocks to get more credit / mentions.



Debistr (debistr@sbcglobal.net) MSG #473, 04-19-2012 09:30 AM
      Kathryn, my husband used to work at the Fiero plant and has some items only given to the employees and we were wondering if you would like them for your vehicle restoration. I will have him make a list of the items he has if you are interested. I think he has floor mats and I'm not sure what else, but I will find out if you are interested. He wants to donate them to you if you want them.
debbie


MetroMightyMouse (jon_kelley1@netzero.net) MSG #474, 04-19-2012 09:52 AM
      Kathryn,

After mulling over the entirety of everything you've done I had a couple of suggestions that may help. It was mentioned that the sunvisors did not work out the way you planned and since we haven't seen them on an update I'll assume you haven't worked out a solution. For my car I used red vinyl that matched my headliner (same red vinyl). I made one template for the cover that was designed to fold over the frame like a taco. I then made another that covered a little over half of the frame. For this second cover, which becomes the storage pocket, I cut and sewed a strip of black vinyl on the the shortened edge with the black folded under so there are no raw edges showing. I then sewed the 2 layers up into a pocket turned inside out. The pocket was then turned rightside out and the frame inserted with the open end folded in and hand stitched closed. For your car you might do the same with the headliner material and to cover the edge of the pocket check your seats for enough extra material on the underside to make a yellow strip. You could also get some yellow vinyl from a fabric store or contact the place your seats came from for enough matching yellow to do the job.

It was mentioned that the lights in the console generate a lot of heat and should be removed. I always hate removing lights because as soon as I do I end up wanting them back. I would recommend replacing the lights with LEDs. If the lights are plugged into a socket then there should be a direct replacement available. If they are hard wired (attached to the wires permanently) they can be cut out and 12v LEDs soldered in (another new skill), just use LEDs that will fit where the lights go and use hot glue to keep them in position if necessary.You can also choose the color of light that you want so you could use yellow LEDs to match your color scheme.

In my experience rattle can paint never holds up in the elements as well as you would like and the clear coat is even worse. You can expect sun fading within a couple of years unless it is constantly garaged and the clear coat tends to crack over time. I would recommend powder coating the wheels for a more permanent solution, and if your powder coating system is capable, a coat of powder clear over the entire face of the wheel should keep it looking great for years. You should also be able to fill the Pontiac script with powder by hand to achieve the same effect that you have now. I would also suggest using an automotive clear coat over the rub strip when the car is painted to protect your hard work.

If you find yourself wanting to fix things in your daily life instead of throwing them away and replacing them check out ifixit.com. Great free site with guides to repair all kinds of things.

Finally, I would like to thank you, as my 13 year old daughter has expressed more of an interest in helping work on our vehicles to learn some of these skills for herself after reading through your build.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me, I'll be glad to help any way I can.

MMM
Jon



Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #475, 04-19-2012 09:55 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mrfred8:

Yeah, thats good and bad. If it wasnt for Jalopnik running with the tip I sent them, the story would not have gone viral. But it would be nice for Pennocks to get more credit / mentions.


Oh I don't mind (at all) not getting mentioned, but Rivers was confusing Jalopnik with PFF. He was talking about how Kathryn/her father documented the build on Jalopnik and how people followed the build there.

But we are polluting the thread.


86 toy MSG #476, 04-19-2012 10:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Debistr:

Kathryn, my husband used to work at the Fiero plant and has some items only given to the employees and we were wondering if you would like them for your vehicle restoration. I will have him make a list of the items he has if you are interested. I think he has floor mats and I'm not sure what else, but I will find out if you are interested. He wants to donate them to you if you want them.
debbie

Now this is awesome!!!



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #477, 04-19-2012 10:15 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Debistr:

Kathryn, my husband used to work at the Fiero plant and has some items only given to the employees and we were wondering if you would like them for your vehicle restoration. I will have him make a list of the items he has if you are interested. I think he has floor mats and I'm not sure what else, but I will find out if you are interested. He wants to donate them to you if you want them.
debbie


Debbie,
Thank you so much for that offer. I am sure that Kathryn would love this! I will send you a PM.
MH (Kathryn's Dad)


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #478, 04-19-2012 10:16 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:


Oh I don't mind (at all) not getting mentioned, but Rivers was confusing Jalopnik with PFF. He was talking about how Kathryn/her father documented the build on Jalopnik and how people followed the build there.

But we are polluting the thread.


Cliff, it is funny that you mention this. I noticed it during the interview too, but couldn't talk to her...then once she was off air and had some time to think she was like...."I forgot to correct them on Pennocks!"

-MH



Michael Mattheis (michael.mattheis@doublestarinc.com) MSG #479, 04-19-2012 10:37 AM
      I just gotta say, not only am I super impressed by Kathryn's initiative and her family's support, I think all of you who post on this thread represent, in my mind, what makes this country great. Kathryn: You might think this is just about a car, but, I think it's much bigger than that. You are destined for great things. Your efforts command respect from those of us who are not as talented or determined or focused on our true passions. I can't wait to see where your future takes you. My prayer for you is that you retain this passion as you grow and that you keep an open mind to other opportunities that could make a difference in the lives of others.

In the meantime, someone pass me a 5/8" wrench?


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #480, 04-19-2012 10:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Michael Mattheis:

I just gotta say, not only am I super impressed by Kathryn's initiative and her family's support, I think all of you who post on this thread represent, in my mind, what makes this country great. Kathryn: You might think this is just about a car, but, I think it's much bigger than that. You are destined for great things. Your efforts command respect from those of us who are not as talented or determined or focused on our true passions. I can't wait to see where your future takes you. My prayer for you is that you retain this passion as you grow and that you keep an open mind to other opportunities that could make a difference in the lives of others.

In the meantime, someone pass me a 5/8" wrench?


We would, but most things on the Fiero are Metric.


nitroheadz28 MSG #481, 04-19-2012 11:41 AM
      Could someone post a link to the interview?

Kathryn- Now you're an internet sensation, but wait until Powerblock gives you a call to come onto their show as a guest to show off your ride when you're done

Enjoy the spotlight!

PS- I'm really happy that Fieros and this forum are getting all this good publicity, who knows maybe the market for our cars will pick up a bit. Then again it sucks not owning one for the moment!


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #482, 04-19-2012 11:44 AM
     

An hour long. Interview starts about 26 minutes or so into it.
Download from here and play it on your own system to be able to skip ahead. Interview and then some


nitroheadz28 MSG #483, 04-19-2012 12:32 PM
      Thanks! Just listened to it. Funny how at the end when she hung up, they were talking about how Fieros are deathtraps

FWIW- I felt safer in my Fiero than any other car I've ever been in structurally speaking. Granted I did hurt my back from my accident when I was t-boned and struck a parked SUV, but it was a 30mph impact and all the airbags in the world wouldn't have prevented it.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #484, 04-19-2012 01:14 PM
      For anyone around Detroit she will be on 104.3FM this afternoon round 4:30-5

-MH


FieroFan81 MSG #485, 04-19-2012 02:29 PM
      For those outside Detroit who want to tune in...

104.3 FM WOMC Detroit - Listen Live


topcat (tconey01@att.net) MSG #486, 04-19-2012 04:37 PM
      Tuned in.

kathryn MSG #487, 04-19-2012 04:44 PM
      going on now



kathryn MSG #488, 04-19-2012 04:49 PM
      hey everybody
the radio out of Detroit will be on in like 30 mins. so about 5:10 to 5:15 is when it will come on!!
so just fyi
that's what's going on, thank you for all of your support and interest and offers!!!
oh and suggestions are always great as well!!
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #489, 04-19-2012 04:52 PM
      hey everybody
the radio out of Detroit will be on in like 30 mins. so about 5:10 to 5:15 is when it will come on!!
so just fyi
that's what's going on, thank you for all of your support and interest and offers!!!
oh and suggestions are always great as well!!
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #490, 04-19-2012 05:08 PM
      New article up on the dailymail.co.uk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...ports-car-scrap.html

--MH


kathryn MSG #491, 04-19-2012 05:15 PM
      okay our mistake the time needs to change to 5:45 my dad just got the e-mail!!
sorry for the inconvenience!! sorry
i just found out!
-kathryn
thanks everybody!!!
especially for all your patience!


RWDPLZ MSG #492, 04-19-2012 05:24 PM
      Just heard the DJ plug your interview 'with the girl mechanic here' at 5:45. Good luck!

Quad Raider (richard.clark@newson6.net) MSG #493, 04-19-2012 05:25 PM
      A co-worker stopped me in the parking lot this afternoon to tell me about a story he'd seen on msn.com about a girl rebuilding her own Fiero. He knows about my oft-delayed Quad 4/Fiero swap and wanted to know if I'd seen the story. I told him it sounded familiar and once I found the story on jalopnik I knew why.

I wish my kids would have shown this much initiative, about ANYTHING. Keep up the great work, Kathryn. On the other hand, as a soccer referee, I hope your Fiero project doesn't interrupt your playing career too often. ; )


tbone42 MSG #494, 04-19-2012 05:43 PM
      Coincidence they are playing the song "Sexual Healing" right before the interview Kathryn?(Mind out of the gutters, sickos) Its a song, I believe, that our own Doni Hagan collects royalties on?

Hmm...

http://randymartin.net/profile-doni-hagen.html

Just heard the interview Kathryn, Good job!

[This message has been edited by tbone42 (edited 04-19-2012).]

no2pencil (jason@akroncdnr.com) MSG #495, 04-19-2012 05:50 PM
      Did I miss it?! I've been tuned into this oldies station for 40 minutes, & this crazy guy comes into my shop jittering & talking in circles for like fifteen minutes. Grrr!!!

RWDPLZ MSG #496, 04-19-2012 05:57 PM
      Nice job!

Technical Drafting is fun! I'm old enough I've done pencil and paper drafting and computer aided drafting. My senior project in high school was a 3D Fiero





One fun thing I learned from an Autodesk representative when I was in college, you can download Autodesk drafting software like AutoCAD and Inventor for free from their website if you have an edu email address. Otherwise, they also have 30 day free trials, which are great to learn with.

http://usa.autodesk.com/pro.../free-product-trials


kathryn MSG #497, 04-19-2012 06:01 PM
      yes i just went on thank you for all the good feedback!!!
It was longer but i think they cut it down leaving out the correction on it being an 86' not an 88' and me mentioning that it was Pennock's not Jalopnik that the story has been on since the beginning...grrr. they cut out the two most important parts in my mind.
anyway i think you might have missed it...sorry. but i'm sure you can find it somewhere....
Thanks again, I did try to save your reputation...lol
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #498, 04-19-2012 08:32 PM
      So I thought you all might like to see what occupied Kathryn's time this evening. This is of course a sight that many in the fiero community are familiar with, and one that Kathryn is learning. When we pulled apart the headlight motor to see why her fiero kept 'winking" at her we realized that the bushings inside all all turned to gooey green grit.......some of you might remember a photo like this one


so before anything can get fixed we need to clean up all the gears.....ick!








A fun night...sometimes it is the little things out of the way that enable you to accomplish the next item.

-MH


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #499, 04-19-2012 08:36 PM
      If I might make the suggestion:
One of the upgrades that you can make to your car Kathryn, is to replace the front harness and headlamp motors with the harness/module/motors from an 87 or 88 Fiero.

You'll get the quieter, faster motors that were MUCH easier to rebuild. Three small dowels from Rodney Dickman, and all of your headlight woes are gone.


caniac (joe@bouliaenterprise.com) MSG #500, 04-19-2012 08:43 PM
      Found this thread through my r/c heli forum (helifreak). This is one of the best threads I have ever read. Kathryn, you are truly an inspiration. This sort of hits home with me as I have a 2 y/o daughter that goes crazy for my truck and helps her daddy with various things on it haha. Hopefully she will have similar determination, dedication, and drive that you have. Dad, I'm sure saying that you are a proud papa is an understatement. My wife and I will enjoy watching your progress!

carnut122 MSG #501, 04-19-2012 08:49 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by ProTouringCuda:

Just had to join this forum and make a reply post after seeing the article on MSN.

Kathryn and MH - Keep up the AWESOME work! This thread is very inspiring. I recently became a dad at age 48, and I can only hope that my 9 month old daugher takes a liking to cars as you have. I've been a car guy all my life, and still own the second car I ever bought (the Mustang there in my sig). I've owned it for 32 years.

I'm now building the Barracuda - I can hope that she takes a liking to it, and will help dad out in the Garage at some point.

Oh - and I forgot to mention, that the VERY FIRST NEW CAR I owned was a 1986 Fiero GT. The first year for the fastback style GT. I loved that car. 2.8L with a 4 speed. That car would Get up and Go! I finally had to give it up after having replaced the clutch once, then the transmission.

Anyhow, I have read through the first 5 pages of your build, and at times, have almost been brought to tears - it's a really great father daughter build.

Keep it going - and look forward to the end product and watching as you continue to build and grow!

John
'65 Barracuda
'65 Mustang



It's time to buy your daughter an 86 GT project!


carnut122 MSG #502, 04-19-2012 08:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by YELLOWJACKET:

Yeah, its hit MSN.COM on the cover page now... thats how I got here. Reaching VIRAL status now.
http://now.msn.com/money/04...-restores-fiero.aspx

I have a yellow and black 85 MR2 and the color scheme Kat would probably like......... here are some pics:
(Full slideshow HERE and find more of the MR2 community on www.mr2oc.com)


Interior


Keep up the good work, Kat!!

YJ



Time for a Speed Ban! Just kidding!


DPoppelll (danpoppell@att.net) MSG #503, 04-19-2012 09:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

When we pulled apart the headlight motor to see why her fiero kept 'winking" at her we realized that the bushings inside all all turned to gooey green grit.......some of you might remember a photo like this one


-MH


I remember dealing with that! It's why I named my Fiero "Winky". You can go to the fiero store site and get replacement nylon gears or upgrade to aluminum (? some metal) gears cheap enough. I got the nylon ones, no problems with the headlights since. Now it's the alternator...


RWDPLZ MSG #504, 04-19-2012 09:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Synthesis:

If I might make the suggestion:
One of the upgrades that you can make to your car Kathryn, is to replace the front harness and headlamp motors with the harness/module/motors from an 87 or 88 Fiero.

You'll get the quieter, faster motors that were MUCH easier to rebuild. Three small dowels from Rodney Dickman, and all of your headlight woes are gone.


I agree, one of the best mods I made to my 84, really easy, too. Cliff did a writeup:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...060811-2-071514.html

Only thing I miss is that distinctive sound the gen 1's make going up and down.


charlief1 MSG #505, 04-20-2012 12:06 AM
      I'd like to thank you for a very enjoyable read and it didn't take that long. You've reached a certain status on the net so be prepaired to be PM'd with some really strange questions.The reason I can say that is because of what I've been working on now for several years. I'm a Buick turbo guy (GN's and T types) and in the time I've been involved with them I went from a NOOB to a mod on 3 sites as well as a tech guy now on 6 of them. I've also joind a few other sites to look stuff up that I was trying to do and get guys PMing me on the other sites even though I'm just looking around. It does wear you out sometimes but I like to help others to understand how the systems work.

Now onto some simple tech advise that might help you out. The 3.4 is pretty much a direct swap for your engine so it would be simple and the easiest thing to do. If you want to go with a 3400 it's OBD II so you'd need all the electronice to go with it. You could also go with the 3800 and it's OBD I so most of the harness ect would be the same but it's wider so things will be a little tight, but it's a good engine.

The 3800 Series II or III are great engines and have a huge potential for power. It's based off the Buick Series II racing engine and I know of 1 GN that's had a Series II transplanted in it so far and 1 is being built to run in the races at the Buick Nats this year. Potential power for one is these with the right parts and a turbo is 900 HP easily. The GN that was converted is using a 4L60E tranny and other than pulling the engine out of a junk yard and basic rebuld with a mild cam and the addition of the turbo is basically stock. This car has been in the mid 9's in the quarter so far and is looking at kissing the 8's this year. The one that's being built for racing is in a class where mid 8's isn't unheard of.

Not sure your dad wants to hear that but the flexability of this engine would work great in NA form for you just begining and as you got older you could change things around a little and make it a serious screamer. You really could spank your folks Vettes and I'm sure they've been spanked by a GN once in a while so they know what they can do.

As far as what you're doing I have to tell you that it's wonderful to see someone your age doing this much and learning how to take care of something that most people take for granted. You will learn more doing this car and understanding how a vehicle works which will translate into other things in your life as you get older. The one thing you need to understand though is thatit's just a car. Don't get upset if something doesn't work right or if you run into problems. My 83 T had ventelated (sp) rears and after I fixed that issue the car fell on me due to the stands shifting as I was putting the rear back under it. I've been a professional Tech for 30 years now and never had this happen so keep that in mind. I was very lucky and all that happened was a broken rib and finding out that the frame was rotten so the car has become a full frame off now.

Take your time and if you have a question do some searching to see if there's an answer out there. If you can't find one I'm sure one of these others can help you with it. This site reminds me very much of turbobuick when it comes to helping each other out with issues. What you might try finding is the Fiero magazine that Hot Rod put out in the 80's. I had one and sent it to a freind that was building a super duty for racing. If I still had it I'd offer it to you so you could see what GM did back "in the day" with these neat little cars. It also had the part numbers for the getrag tranny for the super duty and full cage blue prints for the tube chasis race car. Very cool thing to read through if you can find one. I hope to see more of your buld in the future and would love to see and the family bring it on the power tour this year even though I know that's not gonna happen.



tbone42 MSG #506, 04-20-2012 12:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

So I thought you all might like to see what occupied Kathryn's time this evening. This is of course a sight that many in the fiero community are familiar with, and one that Kathryn is learning. When we pulled apart the headlight motor to see why her fiero kept 'winking" at her we realized that the bushings inside all all turned to gooey green grit.......some of you might remember a photo like this one

-MH


FLASHBACKS! GAAHHH!

Still, I love my noisey 86 headlight motors. You guys did the right thing, clunky noisey motors rule.

 
quote
Originally posted by carnut122:


Time for a Speed Ban! Just kidding!



No you weren't.

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Wild Horse MSG #507, 04-20-2012 01:34 AM
      Kathryn

I came across your forum yesterday via a link from MSN.com, I must say reading over everything has been my pleasure.

I wish you the best in your project and will be following to see how it is coming along. Your determination is definitely refreshing.


To the Dad:
I haven't seen where anyone has asked this, so I guess I will. Have you thought of setting up a paypal account for Kathryn? I would love to send a small donation to help her realize her dream



Rallaster MSG #508, 04-20-2012 08:57 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by tbone42:
*snip* clunky noisey motors rule*snip*




30+mpg (wshaw@par1.net) MSG #509, 04-20-2012 10:04 AM
     
 
quote
Wild Horse:...


You have a private message.


GMEFiero MSG #510, 04-20-2012 10:51 AM
      This is awesome. My daughter turned one last week and I pray to God she takes to cars (especially Fieros) when she is that age. You must be super proud. Best of luck to you and yours!

icemanfiveoh (icemanfiveoh@gmail.com) MSG #511, 04-20-2012 01:38 PM
      I will be the first to donate $20.00 to you Kat. I feel that it is a worthwhile cause. You will never be able to get the experience you are accumulating from any school, I guarantee it. Dad, please setup an account so anyone who wants to can help out you daughter. There are people out there who believe in making other people's dreams come true.

Ice


ProTouringCuda (jskurka@twcny.rr.com) MSG #512, 04-20-2012 03:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by icemanfiveoh:

I will be the first to donate $20.00 to you Kat. I feel that it is a worthwhile cause. You will never be able to get the experience you are accumulating from any school, I guarantee it. Dad, please setup an account so anyone who wants to can help out you daughter. There are people out there who believe in making other people's dreams come true.

Ice


Agreed. I would love to donate.


tbone42 MSG #513, 04-20-2012 05:30 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by icemanfiveoh:

I will be the first to donate $20.00 to you Kat. I feel that it is a worthwhile cause. You will never be able to get the experience you are accumulating from any school, I guarantee it. Dad, please setup an account so anyone who wants to can help out you daughter. There are people out there who believe in making other people's dreams come true.

Ice


Cliff's got an account you should donate to.. see top of General Fiero Chat forum page: "Buy Cliff a Beer", after all, without him, none of you would even know about this.
Click here to donate to Pennock's Fiero Forum:
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...Session=2456038.1502

Give generously.. even small amounts help... and keep this website running, please! You can say "I love checking on Kathryn's prgress, and I helped make that possible."

'nuff said.

[This message has been edited by tbone42 (edited 04-20-2012).]

icemanfiveoh (icemanfiveoh@gmail.com) MSG #514, 04-20-2012 05:58 PM
     

Here ya go...

Even with that said, i still wish to give to kat...I will gladly donate a few buck to the forum as well.

Ice


 
quote
Originally posted by tbone42:


Cliff's got an account you should donate to.. see top of General Fiero Chat forum page: "Buy Cliff a Beer", after all, without him, none of you would even know about this.
Click here to donate to Pennock's Fiero Forum:
http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...Session=2456038.1502

Give generously.. even small amounts help... and keep this website running, please! You can say "I love checking on Kathryn's prgress, and I helped make that possible."

'nuff said.

[This message has been edited by icemanfiveoh (edited 04-20-2012).]

tbone42 MSG #515, 04-20-2012 09:08 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by icemanfiveoh:



Here ya go...

Even with that said, i still wish to give to kat...I will gladly donate a few buck to the forum as well.

Ice


You're awesome in my book man, thank you.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #516, 04-20-2012 10:13 PM
      What an absolutely great night. We got to spend some time together getting our hands dirty, cleaning up some of the rusty mess, and just plain having fun. Those of you that have been following for a while know that Kathryn really enjoyed doing her interior work, has liked sand blasting and powder coating, and has HATED SANDING! So tonight we decided to start something new....metal fabrication.
So one of the first things we needed to do was to assess the problem

Ummm, yep! That is a problem. A hole in the trunk large enough to fit a volleyball through it, or close enough. So of course in order to make the problem all better we need to start by making the hole bigger!


Cutting is fun!


Then of course you have to wrestle the "ucky" (Kathryn's word) piece out!


Hmmm, this tool looks like fun!


Very fun indeed!

Then we used the peices we cut out to make a template. Unfortunately dad got to busy with other things to get any pictures of laying out the pattern or cutting the piece, but with a little guidance Kathryn did just fine with this. Once she realized it was the same as creating the templates like she did for the carpeting on her doors she was good to go. After the test fit there was still a bit of clean up to do, so a little work with the grinder and the vice and we were all set


With the piece in place it's now time to tack weld it. So on goes the helmet. If you are wondering if she is having fun yet, I think the smile gives it away...lol!


And with that piece in place Mom says it is time to wrap it up for the night.


To be continued.....

-MH


RWDPLZ MSG #517, 04-20-2012 10:25 PM
      Awesome! That's a skill most people, even car guys, don't have. May want to wear a dust mask or respirator while doing the cutting, grinding, and flap wheeling, I was surprised how much I inhaled after I started sneezing later.

Haru1224 MSG #518, 04-21-2012 02:29 AM
      Kathryn,

I started reading this at around 8 o'clock tonight and I am absolutely stunned by the work you are putting into your car, It inspires me to no end. If My son has half of the love for cars that you have I will feel like I succeeded as a father, I myself an rebuilding a fiero and I hope that my looks half as good as yours does when its done.
Your friendly neighbor to the south,
Drew


SolarDragon MSG #519, 04-22-2012 07:42 AM
      I followed a link to this forum from a friend's post on Facebook. Congratulations, you've gone viral!

Absolutely amazing work. I wish I had the dedication and attention to detail you have. What you are doing is reminiscent of my own work on my '90 RX-7, but I've been at it for 2 years, made less progress, and it doesn't look nearly as professional as what you've accomplished. You are an inspiration to us all!



JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #520, 04-22-2012 10:10 AM
      Kathryn,

Since you are learning welding... Chop Top that sucker!


WhiteDevil88 (67stillwell@gmail.com) MSG #521, 04-22-2012 10:35 AM
      Wow, Kathryn. I thought I was consumed by the car bug when I was 14. But I was just a nerd who read a lot of car magazines. What you are achieving will carry with you for life, giving you strength and confidence - something young ladies can never have too much of in our society. I think you are completely awesome. Just had to post so I could follow your progress. I know your dad and mom must be bursting with pride.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #522, 04-22-2012 07:08 PM
      A couple of links that you all might enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvUVE5IkI7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxfEuk9-E8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxfEuk9-E8

-MH


kathryn MSG #523, 04-22-2012 08:04 PM
      hey again!!!
yes, i did get to have fun Friday night!!! let's just sum it up and say anything to do with lots of spark i did!
so those links are video to the project, and let's just say tacking even with a MIG welder is difficult!
Thank you again everybody!! also i'm still trying to clean up my headlight motors...any suggestions?
oh and by the way....i'm not doing a chop top! I'm not particularly fond of the work i'd have to do A, and B i'm not that fond of the look either.
however i'm seriously looking into doing Lambo Doors!
-kathryn


Wild Horse MSG #524, 04-22-2012 08:40 PM
      Kathryn

Your welds are looking real nice, you are getting the hang of it fast!


California Kid MSG #525, 04-22-2012 09:12 PM
      Thanks for keeping us updated with your progress and taking time to video as well. As far as the headlamps, since you've got time, you may want to consider a "flush" mount design. Realize this is an added expense, but the original lamp design sucks for aerodynamics, their like air dams when up. Quite a few people here on the Forum have come up with alternate lighting, just do a search on "flush mount lamps". If you want to stay "original" that's OK to, just suggesting another option.

sco77 (scott001@gmail.com) MSG #526, 04-22-2012 09:33 PM
      This thread is amazing, wish I would have had a project car when I was a kid and the parents and funds to be able to build it. It's nice to see after a year the motivation and interest hasn't decreased. It's a great educational and life experience that you will remember.

Have you considered if you will keep stock engine or not?



nitroheadz28 MSG #527, 04-22-2012 10:06 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

hey again!!!
yes, i did get to have fun Friday night!!! let's just sum it up and say anything to do with lots of spark i did!
so those links are video to the project, and let's just say tacking even with a MIG welder is difficult!
-kathryn


I haven't touched a welder in my life (not by choice, not much space+ don't have my own work space), I'm amazed with your progress. I think your parents are the envy of everyone on here who wishes they grew up with such supportive folks, and you're the envy of every parent on here who wishes their kid wasn't a lazy bum haha.


Dodgerunner (dodgerunner@yahoo.com) MSG #528, 04-22-2012 10:42 PM
      Hey Kathryn I'd also suggest you wear a dust mask while grinding. There is a lot of fine grit that comes off the wheels and it's just better not to inhale it.

My daughter's name is Kaeleen and I got her interested enough that she could change oil and spare tires that the boys at school did not know to do. She also has never been afraid to take on anything she was interested in. While dissecting a cows eye in school she decided to be an optometrist and is now in her second year of becoming a doctor.


What I'm saying is that your doing a fantastic job. Not being afraid to jump into any project and just using your common sense and thinking it through will take you far in life.

You might find this interesting. a young lady here in Lincoln trained in welding and auto collision industry and got interested in art. Some of her work is really fantastic in it's depth.. My favorite is Copper Reflections II. The photos don't do them justice at all.

http://www.motionmetals.blogspot.com/

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jetsnvettes2000 MSG #529, 04-22-2012 11:37 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by JimmyS:

Kathryn,

Since you are learning welding... Chop Top that sucker!


Im with Jimmy!!! If I can do it you should have no prob doing it too!!!


California Kid MSG #530, 04-23-2012 07:39 AM
      Just a note that when you have all the new metal in, and are done grinding, you want to use a metal prep phosphate liquid to treat the metal before painting. This creates a crystalline structure on the steel surface which provides greatly improved paint adhesion. Local Auto Painter's Supply or Bump Shop Supply house will have the liquid solution. It's real easy to do and worth the time to do it right. Since your putting all the hard work to repair the rusted out section, you may as well do the best you can to prevent the rust from coming back. It occurred to me that while you appear to be using plain steel for the patches, be aware that the factory panels are galvanized steel, and they will let off toxic gases when welded. So it would be best to wear a respirator when welding, and as said above when grinding. Realize you're just doing small areas, but better to be safe at your age, than sorry down the road.

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Pete Matos MSG #531, 04-23-2012 08:59 AM
      Kathryn,
Hey great job on the welding. It is not easy to do and even grown men I try to teach cannot pick it right up sometimes. You seem to be getting it tho. I would also recommend getting a welding respirator or at least a welding mask to keep the toxic fumes out of your lungs. They are not expensive and can be reused quite a bit before they are no good. I think the last pack I bought was like $25.00 or so for a bunch of them. They also work for grinding and cutting. Patching thin sheetmetal panels is one of the more difficult things to master on a car and if you can do that you are really getting talented. Welding is something that will open up a whole world of creative opportunities for you in the future. Keep up the good work there and good luck. peace

Pete



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #532, 04-24-2012 07:54 AM
      Here is a link from the local paper today.
http://www.themorningsun.co...bda6346061060231.txt

-MH


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #533, 04-24-2012 11:09 AM
      That was a great read! They did a great job with the story, with the exception of the "sanding to bare metal" comment.


Wild Horse MSG #534, 04-24-2012 07:49 PM
      Great story on the Morning Sun, Congrats Kathryn, you deserve the recognition!

Wild Horse MSG #535, 04-24-2012 08:17 PM
      Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs says "Anyone who has restored a car knows it is a tough, dirty job, but Kathryn DiMaria has been up to the challenge and made a goal to have the vehicle ready for her sixteenth birthday. ~ Good going Kathryn!"

Mike Rowes article


Marine1981 MSG #536, 04-24-2012 10:14 PM
      Nice!!

85LAMB (linck777@netzero.com) MSG #537, 04-24-2012 10:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

however i'm seriously looking into doing Lambo Doors!
-kathryn


Kathryn keep up the good work

Here is a link to Car-lo's build tread, he installed lambo doors on his car
Looking through it will give you an idea of what it takes

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum3/HTML/000129.html


Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@live.com) MSG #538, 04-25-2012 09:01 PM
      Kathryn: I just began reading this thread and you are one amazing girl to take on this project AND achieve results. Keep at it and you will have one nice little sports car to drive around in when you reach 16. We have a few girls on this forum that own Fieros but outside of Tina (and another girl that I cannot remember) I haven't seen many attempt anything like what you are doing. If I had a daughter I would hope that she would be just like you. Keep up the fantastic work and enjoy the hobby. Your project is an inspiration to many.



calvinthedestroyer (a4s8b7@dsprototyping.com) MSG #539, 04-25-2012 11:02 PM
      Hi Kathryn
What a cool project, keep up the good work.

My friend and I did a 2.5l to 3.4l swap in his Fiero. The biggest problem we had was getting my dad to let us use his garage!

I have some pictures of it on my site ( http://dsprototyping.com/pr...Goresfiero/gores.htm ) Not sure if it will help you out, but feal free to ask me any questions.

Not that you'll have any, you seem to have the hang of car rebuilding.


Kento (kento@triad.rr.com) MSG #540, 04-26-2012 08:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MetroMightyMouse:

Hey Kathryn, keep the spirit!! I am a fellow "got to do it all myself" car crafter, and a bit of a mad scientist by necessity as I have a 95 Geo Metro (Mighty Mouse) and very little is available to purchase. I did have an idea for your paint scheme that combines your original design with the ideas you are leaning toward. If you want to keep your yellow racing stripes on the hood and have a Pegasus, you can alternate the color as it goes across the stripe. So you would have a yellow or ghosted black / yellow Pegasus on the hood that shifts to black or ghosted yellow / black over the stripe.

Good luck and great work so far, so many people are too afraid to even try just a small portion of what you've done and you have had admirable success.
MMM
Jon


Visit teamswift.net and you will see a lot of ideas and parts that are available for the beloved little Metro where 3 = 8



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #541, 04-26-2012 12:06 PM
      She has a TV interview that will be on RightThisMinute airing on 47 TV stations around the country today. Here is a link:
http://www.rightthisminute....irst-car-12-year-old

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #542, 04-26-2012 12:23 PM
      Great interview Kathryn!!

MetroMightyMouse (jon_kelley1@netzero.net) MSG #543, 04-26-2012 01:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Kento:


Visit teamswift.net and you will see a lot of ideas and parts that are available for the beloved little Metro where 3 = 8




Well aware of Teamswift, great site, but parts for Metros/ Swifts compared to many other cars (Fieros for example) are limited. Thanks though.

Kathryn and MH,
something I thought of when looking at some of the photos, did you stress relieve the crack in the fender when you repaired it? I don't have any personal experience with a repaired crack reforming but I have read about it enough times that there seems to be something to it. Apparently, to keep the crack from cracking past and through the repair you drill a hole at the end of the crack and that prevents it.
Very poised interview by the way.
Good luck!!
MMM
Jon



RWDPLZ MSG #544, 04-26-2012 01:46 PM
     

Rallaster MSG #545, 04-26-2012 07:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

*cool 80's pic*


I'm stealing this. Can I steal this? kthxbai!


Formula88 MSG #546, 04-26-2012 10:05 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Here is a link from the local paper today.
http://www.themorningsun.co...bda6346061060231.txt

-MH


 
quote
After she started the job, she said, she soon realized that when a previous owner repainted it, he or she simply applied spray paint over the existing paint job. She is currently sanding the entire thing back down to bare metal so that when she can correctly apply her own desired paint scheme – black and yellow.


NOOO! Don't keep sanding 'till you hit metal!!!





ChuckLS1 MSG #547, 04-29-2012 03:27 PM
      bump

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #548, 04-30-2012 04:47 PM
      Curious as to what everyone's thoughts are.

Kathryn was invited to be a presenter at The Henry Ford 2012 Maker Faire this July. You can find a link to what it is all about here:
http://makerfaire.com/

Or....we could head over to the 3rd annual Tyler Show in MN.

What are everyones thoughts and votes? What would you do?

-MH


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #549, 04-30-2012 05:17 PM
      That is entirely up to you guys.

I'm a HUGE fan of the Tyler show. It has a lot of emotional meaning for me, as well as it is a blast to attend. Veg out for the weekend with a great group of people. No pressure.

But, the opportunity to be a presenter at the Henry Ford 2012 Maker Faire is a once in a lifetime event, plus it is relatively local to you guys...

I know I'd be honored to shake Kathryn's hand if she were to show up at the Tyler Show, and could even use some pointers on rust repair from her.



mrfred8 MSG #550, 04-30-2012 07:09 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Curious as to what everyone's thoughts are.

Kathryn was invited to be a presenter at The Henry Ford 2012 Maker Faire this July. You can find a link to what it is all about here:
http://makerfaire.com/

Or....we could head over to the 3rd annual Tyler Show in MN.

What are everyones thoughts and votes? What would you do?

-MH


My vote would be for the Shipman show.



DavidLee MSG #551, 04-30-2012 07:17 PM
      Hi Mich (and Kathyrn),

I just learned of your project online, and read your posts. As someone that works in the automotive repair industry, I am happy to see a new generation of restoration enthusiasts! I work for 3M Company's Automotive Aftermarket Division, which provides a variety of products and solutions to the restoration and collision repair industries, and it is possible that I may be able to provide you some help. Mich, if you are interested, please contact me via a private message on this forum. You can also see our products and services on our website, http://3MCollision.com. And, keep up the good work!

David Lee


rambozotheclown (humbabathegreat@gmail.com) MSG #552, 04-30-2012 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Curious as to what everyone's thoughts are.

Kathryn was invited to be a presenter at The Henry Ford 2012 Maker Faire this July. You can find a link to what it is all about here:
http://makerfaire.com/

Or....we could head over to the 3rd annual Tyler Show in MN.

What are everyones thoughts and votes? What would you do?

-MH


that's awesome! no offense to Tyler's memory or family, but if I could only choose one, I would do the presentation.. the Shipman show will be around next year and like someone said, this is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity. but if you get a chance to do both, go for it!



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #553, 04-30-2012 08:07 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DavidLee:

Hi Mich (and Kathyrn),

I just learned of your project online, and read your posts. As someone that works in the automotive repair industry, I am happy to see a new generation of restoration enthusiasts! I work for 3M Company's Automotive Aftermarket Division, which provides a variety of products and solutions to the restoration and collision repair industries, and it is possible that I may be able to provide you some help. Mich, if you are interested, please contact me via a private message on this forum. You can also see our products and services on our website, http://3MCollision.com. And, keep up the good work!

David Lee


As a former 3M-er, I can also state that these products are top notch.

Sounds like Kathryn has her first official sponsor..


Vernon8360 MSG #554, 04-30-2012 08:08 PM
      I'm in total agreement with Synthesis. I also think the opportunity to present is a once in a life time opportunity and you should take advantage of it. As I suggested a few pages back, if my arithmetic is correct, you will be 16 in 2014, just in time for the 5th annual Tyler Shipman show. Since I am planning to return to Frazee for the 5th and I too would like to meet you and your parents, I hope you decide to christen your Fiero and your license with a leisurely drive to Northern Minnesota. But then, I'm selfish that way. Have your parents bring one of their 'vettes and we'll put a sign in the back of their window that says:" My Real Car is a Fiero"



California Kid MSG #555, 04-30-2012 08:26 PM
      Since you asked, I think Henry Ford would be the best choice, and better exposure for Kathryn.

carnut122 MSG #556, 04-30-2012 10:25 PM
      200,000 views! I vote on the Maker Faire! Keep on rocking!

Wild Horse MSG #557, 05-01-2012 12:00 AM
      My vote would be the Maker Faire, What an unbelievable opportunity for Kathryn



Marine1981 MSG #558, 05-01-2012 12:11 AM
      My vote is the Maker Faire. Keep up the good work!!

sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #559, 05-01-2012 08:00 PM
      I just caught up on your thread, and I must say that I am still so impressed by everything you have accomplished, Kathryn. I'm looking forward to your 14th birthday and seeing what awesome things you get to work on in the next year!



Wild Horse MSG #560, 05-03-2012 04:52 AM
      Bump

Wild Horse MSG #561, 05-09-2012 03:31 PM
      Bump

Marine1981 MSG #562, 05-09-2012 08:38 PM
      It's near the end of the school year, I imagine she is busy finishing up with school. Studying for tests and what not. I'm sure there will be a bunch of updates over the summer.

Ben


kathryn MSG #563, 05-12-2012 03:08 PM
      okay, sorry but you're right i'm trying to keep track of school as well
anyway for updates i'm still trying to mess around with my headlight motors...grrrr. they are quite a pain believe me.
and since both my Dad and I have been really busy recently we haven't had much time to do much else....*sigh*
Thank you though everyone for all the great feed back and support I love hearing from all of you and I've learned quite alot just from the Forum!! Also I think I'm hearing mostly Makers Faire, in Detroit right? any other imputs anyone wants to say? and are there any more suggestions to help me conquer the evil headlight motors?...lol. Thanks again every body, and sorry for not posting recently. But thank you everyone, both those who have been here all the way since day one, and those who have only recently joined!!
thanks!
-kathryn


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #564, 05-12-2012 07:43 PM
      Kathryn, if you'll send your headlight motors to me, I'll put them in operating condition. Free. All you need do is pay shipping and put your nose into your school work. Your dad may still have my email address, or PM me for shipping instructions.

Wild Horse MSG #565, 05-13-2012 01:04 AM
      Kathryn
Your school work is the number 1 thing you need to worry about. I was just bumping the forum to keep it at the top of the recent forums on the site.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #566, 05-17-2012 12:26 PM
      Dad's over in the UK right now as well, so I'm sure that isn't helping...but will be back in another week so that work can resume. Thanks for the offer FieroFool, the motors are pretty hashed. We may have some exciting news to report in the next few days as well. We'll be keeping everyone in the loop of course.

-MH


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #567, 05-17-2012 01:43 PM
      If the motors were still running when you removed them, I can fix them. The offer still stands.

mrfred8 MSG #568, 05-17-2012 02:28 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:
We may have some exciting news to report in the next few days as well. We'll be keeping everyone in the loop of course.

-MH


Did Jay Leno finally call



CowsPatoot MSG #569, 05-17-2012 02:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

If the motors were still running when you removed them, I can fix them. The offer still stands.


And if they are not rebuildable, I will donate a set that CAN be rebuilt.



kathryn MSG #570, 05-18-2012 08:09 PM
      Thank you for all the support and wonderful offers!!! I'm sure that my progress will pick up once school ends, and my Dad get's back from the UK for now though, I don't really have much to do, because I can not easily access my car with my younger siblings to take care of, and school work ect. Thanks again for staying on and keeping track, thank you for the offers for the Headlight Motors It's very kind and generous of you!!
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #571, 05-28-2012 12:06 PM
      I am now back from Europe and with in the next little bit we will probably be out looking for an engine. I think that Kathryn has settled on the 3.4pr. Anyone have any good leads to one in the Mid-Michigan area? Anything in particular we should be looking for?

-MH


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #572, 05-28-2012 09:15 PM
      I've bought 2 used ones that were supposedly low mileage but were a piece of junk. If you buy used, be sure you can see the odometer on the car, start it and let it get to operating temp and by all means put a mechanical oil pressure gauge on it before buying. If you buy, it'd be a good idea to replace cam bearings and rod and main bearings along with the rear crankshaft seal. They tend to leak after 80,000 or so.

jd87gt (jd87fierogt@yahoo.com) MSG #573, 05-29-2012 10:57 AM
      This is one of the best Fiero stories I've ever heard.
Nice to know there's a young girl out there who loves Fieros instead of VW Cabrios or Honda Civics or whatever.


TopNotch MSG #574, 06-01-2012 08:25 PM
      What happened to the pictures in this thread? I wanted to show my brother, and they're gone!


TopNotch MSG #575, 06-01-2012 10:04 PM
      Oops! Double post.

[This message has been edited by TopNotch (edited 06-01-2012).]

hookdonspeed (hookdonspeed@gmail.com) MSG #576, 06-03-2012 08:59 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

I am now back from Europe and with in the next little bit we will probably be out looking for an engine. I think that Kathryn has settled on the 3.4pr. Anyone have any good leads to one in the Mid-Michigan area? Anything in particular we should be looking for?

-MH


might i suggest an "updated" 3.4pr? use the block from a 00+ 3400, new 3.4l pistons, your 2.8 heads, intakes, exahust mani's, timing covers etc... and you could go rollercam in that settup... just alittle extra work, but the diffrence in the bottomends is huge.
im sure dad wants to keep the HP down a bit, but the 3400 engines are a very easy install, and offer a better powerband, with the ability of significant upgrades later.
(3400 you can keep the fiero wiring for the most part, just need to convert it to the 7730 DIS ecu, very well documented and done many times, or just get a compleated obd2 harbess from phonedawgs(sp))

just my opionions, the 2.8 and 3.4pr engines are hard to find in good condition, and are very outdated when it comes to power/fuel econ.




DirtySouthTV MSG #577, 06-03-2012 11:04 AM
      Dear Kathryn DiMaria and her Awesome Dad,

We would like very much to do an interview with your Family. Please contact us so we can arrange this. We would also like to do a follow-up interview when Kathryn's car and drivers license are both ready to go for their first spin together along with her at the helm.

The inspiration from this story is off the charts.

Respectfully
Giuseppe Maestro Colato
President and CEO
Dirty South TV
(404) 759-0046


Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #578, 06-03-2012 12:05 PM
      DSTV: That's an impressive offer! (and signature.... )

Could you tell us a little bit about your station? Don't want to sidetrack this thread, so maybe start a new one to aquaint us with your endeavor.

Have not posted before in this thread, but have been following it. Will continue to and just want to say nice job to all concerned!

HAGO!


California Kid MSG #579, 06-03-2012 07:58 PM
      Kathryn, curious if accepted the Invitation to be a Presenter at the Henry Ford Maker Faire, if you did, post a few details - as I'm pretty sure no one here has been to that event.

Dirty South TV, big thumbs up to you !

[This message has been edited by California Kid (edited 06-03-2012).]

DirtySouthTV MSG #580, 06-04-2012 01:13 AM
      Sage: Thank you
http://dirtysouthtv.com/faq...-dirty-south-tv.html -- But it's way, way behind in current info. No longer music--now everything, and it's missing great details that we have to add.

California Kid: Kathryn, curious if accepted the Invitation to be a Presenter at the Henry Ford Maker Faire--We are curious as well. The Ford opportunity would be our advice as well. Truly once in a lifetime possibly.

California Kid: Dirty South TV, big thumbs up to you ! Thank you, but this for us, is a once in a lifetime opportunity. What Kathryn and her Family are doing is not only rare, it's a special as it can get. This Family is literally one in a million. It is in our humble opinion that Kathryn's Father should get a Father of the Year Award. Not to mention her Mother and sibling/s. They all are living this project, and to support Kathryn the way they do--is amazing and very inspiring. I wish all Families were as close and supportive as this Family is. I cannot imagine coming home from school one day and explaining to Pop (My Grandfather) that I was going to quit Track, Cross-Country and Football because I wanted to build a car. I applaud her Father, Mother and Sister for understanding her wishes, dreams and her drive--please pardon the pun. I hope that Kathryn understands how lucky she is.

It is very rare that I read a story about someone and say "I've gotta check this out." Well, that happened twice with Kathryn, and once I started reading all 15 pages of this Forum, I was repeatedly brought to tears (good ones). She is so inspiring to me--there are no English words to accurately describe how inspiring she is. Kathryn is living most boys dreams, and her Father hit the jackpot of 100 lifetimes with Mom and both daughters (Kathryn's sister plays a very important role on her soccer team).

And, of course we will never forget Grandma and Grandpa, and Uncle Bob! Three more absolutely wonderful people. I mean, how rare is it that a Grandfather takes his Granddaughter to the store for her very own welding helmet/mask? And Uncle Bob dedicating his garage, tools, knowledge and support like he is FOR ALL THIS TIME?

And while we're at it, we've seen positive Forums before, and great people supporting one another and their loves/projects--but this Forum on 'Pennock's Fiero Forum' takes the ALL TIME cake. These are the most wonderful, positive, supportive group of strangers-(to begin with) that I have ever personally witnessed, and I'm not that young. I truly hope that every single one of us gets to meet this whole Family, AND watch Kathryn drive her car, and show us under the hood, and all of the yellow accents that she painted etc. It really is a dream of mine. I also hope to meet all of the fantastic members in this thread too. This whole story is just too special for words.

"Lifetime should make a movie of this story, and if they don't--we will highly consider it (we would need outside funding for a feature length film--like everyone else does/would). Let me put it to all of you like this: Oprah quit too early, this story would have been the very best last show of a career in TV history." This is a four-year story.

One Love,
Giuseppe Maestro Colato
President and CEO
Dirty South TV
(404) 759-0046



Sage (sgwfiberglass@gmail.com) MSG #581, 06-04-2012 10:08 AM
      GMC: Thank you for the response and the link, your platform looks amazing and very interesting, well done!

You pretty much summed up my own feelings concerning this family, this girl and this project. I would also like to see this documented in the way you have suggested, it's not only inspiring, but just a genuinely warm human interest story, that I believe would be of interest to a large, varied audience. I hope things in the future can progress to that level and that the family has time and the inclination to "let it be". Thanks again for the upfront response, now let's let these folks take back over the thread and get back to what they started!

HAGO!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #582, 06-04-2012 10:41 AM
      A short update..
Kathryn has had a difficult decision to make. She has been weighing the option of attending either the Maker's Faire in Detroit, or the Tyler show in MN. She has really been torn since she sees the Shipman Show as something central to this community. At the same time she saw the Maker's Faire as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Soooo, after a lot of thought she has decided to head to Detroit on July 28th and 29th for the Maker's Faire. She will be working on some parts of the projects there. If anyone is in the area and would like to stop by and say hey, please feel free to do so. I think we are heading to MN next summer :-)

Also, Kathryn owes a few individuals on here some phone calls, she will try to get those in tonight. Tomorrow evening we are pulling the back clip and the rockers....that should be fun....I'm sure we will get to see even more rust! Yippee! I'm sure she will have something to say about that.

In some other recent news Kathryn had the opportunity to talk with a number of representatives from 3M. They were wonderful with her and have offered to help out with her project. She is meeting with them again later this week to show them how far she is in the project and what still needs down. They have some ideas on how some of their products might be beneficial to the rebuild so she is very excited to have them as a partner in her dream. Thank you 3M for your wonderful offer to assist!

--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #583, 06-04-2012 10:43 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DirtySouthTV:

Dear Kathryn DiMaria and her Awesome Dad,

We would like very much to do an interview with your Family. Please contact us so we can arrange this. We would also like to do a follow-up interview when Kathryn's car and drivers license are both ready to go for their first spin together along with her at the helm.

The inspiration from this story is off the charts.

Respectfully
Giuseppe Maestro Colato
President and CEO
Dirty South TV
(404) 759-0046



Guiseppe,
Just saw your posts, I'll get Kathryn to take a look this evening, once she is home from school, and then we will be in touch. Thanks so much,

-MH
aka Jerry
aka Kathryn's Dad (It seems like more and more this is how I am known)


SkyeBologna MSG #584, 06-04-2012 10:51 AM
      th8is is one of the most amazing threads I've ever read. You guys are fantastic!!!! Good luck Kathryn. I've only just joined Pennocks and playing catch up on all of these awesome threads!

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #585, 06-04-2012 10:56 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

In some other recent news Kathryn had the opportunity to talk with a number of representatives from 3M. They were wonderful with her and have offered to help out with her project. She is meeting with them again later this week to show them how far she is in the project and what still needs down. They have some ideas on how some of their products might be beneficial to the rebuild so she is very excited to have them as a partner in her dream. Thank you 3M for your wonderful offer to assist!

--MH


I firmly believe that Kathryn made the right choice with the Maker's Faire in Detroit. A once in a lifetime opportunity like that is going to be a special memory for her.
The Tyler Show will be here next year, and we'll all gladly welcome the entire family with open arms.

As for 3M. That is phenomenal news. I contracted for 3M for five years, and found it to be a great company to work for. I have since parted ways with them and moved on to other pastures, but I have nothing bad to say about them from both a consumer standpoint and as a former 3M "insider".

A huge thumbs up to a very large company looking at the "small" picture, so to speak...


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #586, 06-04-2012 11:23 AM
      One other quick update. Kathryn's Birthday will be coming up this Sunday. Happy 14 kiddo. Someone thinks she might have some fun and exciting pictures to post after that.............

-MH


DirtySouthTV MSG #587, 06-04-2012 12:19 PM
      Dear Jerry,

Thank you very much for writing back so quickly, and for the updates! We love to read updates, it literally makes our day. :-) This is quite a journey for all of us.

We're all looking forward to speaking to you, Kathryn and Uncle Bob. I'm sure Kathryn will be deluged with happy birthday wishes from people from all over the World.

Sage: You're welcome, and thank you very much. The reason we're so behind right now is due to a behind the scenes rebuild that will make us better than ever.

Synthesis: We agree with you 100%.

Kathryn: We were quietly hoping to be up late the night before your birthday to be near the front of the Happy Birthday line--but we have a funny feeling that thousands of others were thinking the same thing.

Looking forward to progress on all fronts,
Giuseppe

P.S. Jerry: When you have a sec, please call us so we can ask one important question in private. It pertains to a yearly occurrence...



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #588, 06-04-2012 03:03 PM
      OK,
Kathryn might just kill me for this one, but a number of people have sent emails etc. requesting information on donating to Kathryn's project so if you use this email address with paypal you can donate to her project.

dimar1jg@cmich.edu

I am sure I am going to hear it tonight!

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #589, 06-04-2012 05:36 PM
      Thank you Jerry, been waiting for that address, there is a little email for her at that address



kathryn MSG #590, 06-04-2012 05:49 PM
      okay hi everyone, i haven't come on....because no updates so i just saw the offer for the interview, will be contacting soon promise also some of you will be getting phone calls tonight...sorry again for the delay i have been preparing for exams uggg. anyway as Dad (Jerry) said i will be pulling the back clip off and if i find any more rust i am suing Michigan Weather! And then from there guess what, MORE SANDING!! (kill me now..lol) I was trying to convince my shop teacher actually to just use my car for my final project...sadly he didn't go for it. Thanks everyone, and Dad really you had to give them that email.? i guess there's no stopping you guys now is there. Thanks though everyone sorry for the delay although it seems you can keep it running pretty well with out me
Updates promised at least on wednesday!
as i said before thank you, i don't think i will ever be able to repay you all!!
and be ready for phone calls!
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #591, 06-04-2012 06:00 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Wild Horse:

Thank you Jerry, been waiting for that address, there is a little email for her at that address



Thanks Wild Horse. I think I will wait to show her that for her B-Day.

-MH (AKA Kathryn's Dad)



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #592, 06-05-2012 09:10 PM
      So this evening we were able to get a few things done on Kathryn's project. I'm sure she will update you shortly as well. We took the back deck back down to rejoin the rest of the car and picked up the hood ready to come home to be sanded. I"m sure she will be loving that! The main goal for the evening was to remove the back clip so that we could see just how much cutting and welding she would have to do (a lot) and also to make getting to all the engine components etc., so much easier as the cradle will be coming out soon as well. More on this in the next couple of days. Seeing as I had a couple of projects to work on for her we let her get started on removing all the bolts, and screws preparatory to removing the rear clip. Low and behold what happens, the student becomes the teacher...either that or there is a little Tom Sawyer in her....or perhaps Fieros are just fun to work on because when I turned my back she got her cousin involved in helping her out.





Of course when the going gets tough you need to be a bit bigger of a girl perhaps to get some of the tricky pieces out



And the it really sucks when you break off the head of a bolt because it was a bit rusty AND get the head stuck in the socket...so over to the vise to try to pry it out...then success (and yes, she did have the glasses on while prying)


Now once you get through all of that fun THEN you are ready for the scary part. Actually removing the clip. The hard part of this of course (and what freaks you out a bit if you are Kathryn) is the reports of some others cracking the roof at the join if this isn't done carefully....so, ever so carefully we lift the clip.




TA DA!





Now we can see what we have to work with....clearly, some work ahead, but nothing she doesn't think she can fix.





More updates soon, and again....thanks so much to everyone for your support, help, advice, and encouragement.

-MH (aka Kathryn's Dad)


Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #593, 06-05-2012 09:17 PM
      Nice work Kathryn.

Here is a blueprint for new frame rails if you can't repair what you have (depending on how far gone they are...)


Look here for more information..
Frame Rail Repair


2.5 MSG #594, 06-06-2012 09:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

... perhaps Fieros are just fun to work on because when I turned my back she got her cousin involved in helping her out.




-MH (aka Kathryn's Dad)


Thats cool. Learning and teaching


Marine1981 MSG #595, 06-06-2012 10:24 AM
      Good thing the rust is getting taken care of now. I'm glad she isn't taking any shortcuts lol

RWDPLZ MSG #596, 06-06-2012 10:41 AM
      Looks like you caught it just in time! Not nearly as bad as mine was.

sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #597, 06-06-2012 11:55 AM
      Any progress is good progress, and I'm glad to see it! This project is so inspiring to me and makes me itch to work on my car more. There's always something to do!!

I am excited that Kathryn chose to attend the Maker's Faire in Detroit. It sounds like a phenomenal experience and learning opportunity. I look forward to meeting you both (and the rest of the family?!) at Tyler Shipman next year, or maybe even sooner!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #598, 06-06-2012 05:08 PM
      And another update.

Friday morning Kathryn has an interview with national NPR for All Things Considered. It is supposed to air on Father's Day. Wish her luck, I'm sure she is a bit nervous for this interview.

-MH (AKA Kathryn's Dad)



kathryn MSG #599, 06-06-2012 05:23 PM
      Man, my Dad must have this pulled up all the time he updates so quickly it's hard to keep up!! Anyway as Dad said I pulled my back clip on Tuesday, and I now have real reasons to sue Michigan Weather. But all in all it went okay I mean only a few rusty bolts broke so that's not too bad compared to the alternative. And to put a word in about my cousin i think we have some of the same blood in us, because when i allowed her to help with something, that was not going to harm her in any way, afterwards she said " Now my dream has come true, I have gotten to work on a car." So it was fun to teach her how to undo bolts and stuff, she loved it!! And so NPR interview on Friday, only this time i get to wear the headset and everything. cool.
-kathryn


NEVERDONE (torrezant@yahoo.com) MSG #600, 06-06-2012 05:44 PM
      First off, this is awesome!! Dad, you should be (and I can tell you are) so very proud of her! Second; pardon my ignorance but, what is "npr""? and where can i listen or watch?

kathryn MSG #601, 06-06-2012 06:52 PM
      okay NPR is National Public Radio, however I'm not sure where you can listen or watch but I'll get my Dad to update and tell you all. Also i know that it is playing sometime on Father's Day Weekend so that's why my Dad and I were invited on.
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #602, 06-06-2012 06:57 PM
      oh by the way at the beginning like the very beginning when you first click on Pennock's Fiero Forum link did you realize that it mentions the "us" as men!? Why do men get all the credit, are girls not allowed to be mechanics and engineers too? Anyway sorry for that. but thank you everyone, and especially thank you for that blueprint/link! I will be needing that shortly
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #603, 06-06-2012 07:52 PM
      NPR is National Public Radio and she will be on the program All Things Considered weekend edition for Fathers Day. It should be nationwide, and you should be able to find a place to listen on this page http://www.npr.org/template...le/index.php?prgId=2 So there are lots of affiliates .

From Wikipedia:
In 2005, ATC aired on over 560 radio stations and reached an audience of approximately 12 million listeners each weekday, making it the third most listened to radio program in the United States after The Rush Limbaugh Show and Morning Edition.[2] In September 2010, All Things Considered had an average quarter-hour audience of 1.8 million.[4]

So there should be a lot of people listening in...lol!

In other news, the local school board president saw the write up in the local paper on Kathryn's project and so she and her husband had a copy really nicely framed for Kathryn in her cars colors. Thought you guys might like to see a quick photo


and a bit closer view



--MH (aka Kathryn's dad)




Wild Horse MSG #604, 06-06-2012 11:48 PM
      The NPR interview will be available on the net if you are unable to find a local station to listen, watch this page for the links to the podcast shortly after the original broadcast.



sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #605, 06-07-2012 11:53 AM
      Wow, all the publicity is SO COOL! You all must be so proud, congrats! I love NPR and will hopefully be able to listen in. My dad listens to NPR on a daily basis!

NEVERDONE (torrezant@yahoo.com) MSG #606, 06-07-2012 01:12 PM
      Well that explains why I dont know what NPR is! (rush limbaugh) But I will definantly tune in for this though! I always have great respect for girls turning wrenches on their own cars! Keep it up! One day you will be president of your own Fiero club!!

2.5 MSG #607, 06-07-2012 02:16 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

okay NPR is National Public Radio, however I'm not sure where you can listen or watch but I'll get my Dad to update and tell you all. Also i know that it is playing sometime on Father's Day Weekend so that's why my Dad and I were invited on.
-kathryn


Here is a station finder for NPR stations.

http://www.npr.org/stations/



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #608, 06-08-2012 08:11 AM
      Another update:
Yesterday, Kathryn had a visit from Bill and Jay, 3M employees. 3M as some of you may have gathered from previous posts have taken an interest in the project and have graciously offered to help in anyway that they can to make Kathryn's Fiero even better than new when she is done. As part of that process, Bill and Jay came to talk with Kathryn yesterday evening, to see the project in person and to offer some advice and guidance. They were absolutely wonderful with her. I'm sure that she will tell you more of the story when she posts. Suffice it to say that we were very impressed. What a wonderful experience to have a large multinational company take interest in a kids project.

Of course they also wanted to get pictures of Kathryn and Kathryn's Dad...and I had been doing so good at keeping my photos out of here...lol!


Bill and Jay took a good look at what she has accomplished so far as well as some of the problem areas that still need to be addressed:


We had some good discussions regarding things that can help Kathryn stay safe and through the next upcoming steps of the project



and of course a couple of photos of Kathryn with her 3M team.



Again a really big thank you to Bill, Jay, and David and the entire 3M team for their interest and support of Kathryn's dream.

-MH (aka Kathryn's Dad)



California Kid MSG #609, 06-08-2012 08:53 AM
      MH and Kathryn, thanks for the updates ! Very happy for your entire family.

Those guys from 3M look very familiar to me.


jwrape MSG #610, 06-08-2012 08:54 AM
      Does the 3m guys being there mean that you might be using their 3m vinyl wrap to put color on the car?



datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #611, 06-08-2012 09:18 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Another update:
Yesterday, Kathryn had a visit from Bill and Jay, 3M employees.

[ ... snip ... ]



In a word... AWESOME!!



Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #612, 06-08-2012 10:54 AM
      Awesome. Way to go 3M and Kathryn!

kathryn MSG #613, 06-08-2012 11:04 AM
      Hey everybody,
Updates, We met with the 3M team yesterday to discuss safety and efficient ways to completing my project.
Although Dad already gave details and pictures Thank you 3M!!!
Also today my Dad and I got our interview recorded with NPR, which will be broadcasting at 5:00 PM Eastern Time, on Father's Day next Sunday. It was really cool we got to go into the studio, wear cool headsets and talk into a huge mic. I also got to learn a little bit about the TV broadcasting/Radio broadcasting stations because we were given a little tour at the end of the interview! It was pretty cool! We will be able to pictures up soon, because we need to get them through e-mail first because Dad forgot to bring his camera to take his own, oh well, no one is perfect
Thanks again everyone, and again it will be broadcasting on All Things Considered off of NPR at 5:00 Eastern Time on Father's Day.
-kathryn


E.Furgal (onlineforums6872@comcast.net) MSG #614, 06-08-2012 11:15 AM
      nice build, I want your shop..
lol


Formula88 MSG #615, 06-08-2012 12:43 PM
      Very cool! I'm really enjoying reading about your progress. I can't wait to see it when it's finished.
Keep up the good work!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #616, 06-08-2012 04:31 PM
      I see Kathryn posted very briefly with regards to her experience today talking with NPR in the studio. The interview was about 1/2 an hour but I am sure they will edit it down. It will be interesting to hear what they came up with. In further news I received one of her birthday presents today. Can't tell what it is of course, but it MIGHT have to do with a Fiero.

Here is the photo of her in studio:


-MH


California Kid MSG #617, 06-08-2012 05:37 PM
      Great photo for the family album MH ! Even though the lighting is from directly overhead, she seems to have a glow at that moment.

carnut122 MSG #618, 06-08-2012 09:42 PM
      Kathryn, glad to see you're still getting a lot of press. I'll try to listen to the broadcast on Sunday. I hope you're getting more done on your Fiero project than I am on my pick-up project.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #619, 06-10-2012 08:41 AM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn!

Love Mom and Dad


Fierofreak00 (jason_crego@hotmail.com) MSG #620, 06-10-2012 09:05 AM
      I'd also like to wish you a Happy Birthday Kathryn! I won't be long now and you'll be drving you Fiero!

benoitmalenfant MSG #621, 06-10-2012 09:33 AM
      Happy b-day Kathryn!

I found this thread yesterday (can't believe I hadn't noticed it before!) and I cannot say how impressed I am to see a young lady show such tremendous dedication to a big project like this one.

I'm glad to see your project picked-up some media attention, you sure deserve all the attention you are getting. I'm really glad you'll be getting a hand from 3M you sure deserve everything good that is happening for this project!

I also want to congratulate Mom and Dad, obviously you guys did something right in raising your kids!

Keep up the good work Kathryn you really are an inspiration for everyone here and I'm hoping that my kids will be as dedicated as you are in their endeavors, that would make me the happiest dad on earth!



Wild Horse MSG #622, 06-10-2012 12:52 PM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn, I hope this day brings you everything you have been hoping for

Wild horse



MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #623, 06-10-2012 01:21 PM
      Happy birthday Kathryn. May you have many more and I hope you are enjoying your build since many of us old guys are truly enjoying all the posts and the attention that you truly deserve.

ChuckLS1 MSG #624, 06-10-2012 03:36 PM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn!!



ARKaiser (arkaiser@ameritech.net) MSG #625, 06-10-2012 05:45 PM
      Happy Birthday

Sometime when you are in Lansing stop by the OReilly's on W Saginaw and say hi. I'll see that there is a present there for you.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #626, 06-10-2012 05:56 PM
      I am sure that Kathryn will be on sometime tonight to say thanks for all her well wishes. A quick update. :-)

She got a lot of nice cards and happy birthday wishes from family and friends. It was a pretty good 14th birthday I think. A few highlights as it relates to her Fiero might be in order. I'll post some pics and some of my thoughts and I am sure she will comment as well.

A very fun gift from a former Fiero plant employee included some quality awards, a Fiero clock given to the employees, and the fiero fender protectors given to those employees.






A great big thank you to Jim and the crew from Fiero Fiberglass. You may remember that they had sent a certificate for Kathryn's choice of side scoop panels. She went with the Munson design



they also sent a new set of their tapered GT ground effects that are going to look awesome!


http://www.fierofiberglass....s/GroundEffects.html

with her new F355 bumper :-)


AWESOME!

Her Mom and I also had the following made for her own fun and also for her appearance at the Makers Faire next moonth. Some "The Girl that Played with Fiero's" items including a hat, shirt, work apron with tool pouches, and CD case







and then with some help from the guys at Oil City Sales and Salvage we have the following:







Yep, that is the new heart and soul of Kathryn's project...3.4 PR...now for some machining, a new cam, and if Kathryn has her way either a turbo or some NOS!

Also a big thank you that sent well wishes to Kathryn and continue to support her throughout the project. A few of you also contributed some $ to her project for her birthday and again thank you so much. Kathryn is planning on using those $ towards machining on the new engine or a new cam.

As a complete aside for Kathryn's birthday, there have been a number of individuals that have talked about Kathryn's mom and I. I just want to take a few words to say how very fortunate and blessed we are to have her as a daughter. She teaches us new things every day and is a genuine pleasure. We sure do love you KK!

-MH (aka Kathryn's Dad)




snowblindburd (dissimulated@hotmail.com) MSG #627, 06-10-2012 05:57 PM
      Happy Birthday!! Can't say I've ever gotten an engine for my birthday, that rocks!



kathryn MSG #628, 06-10-2012 07:03 PM
      Hi everyone, and i want to give a big shout out to Fiero fiberglass, my friend's that sent me my engine, and my other friend's that sent me my employee given gifts!!!! It's been a great birthday thanks to all of you and i just want to say thank you all for making this so memorable! (I mean it's not every day you can say "Hey i got an engine for my birthday It was soo much fun, and i got so many amazing things, thank you everyone, for all your support and encouragement, and for those of you who gave your time and gifts to supporting my project. You are all truly amazing and i am so happy to be a part of our Fiero Community!
It's been a great birthday thanks again!
-kathryn


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #629, 06-10-2012 07:06 PM
      Happy Birthday and your very welcome.

Dan and I look forward to seeing your progress.



California Kid MSG #630, 06-10-2012 11:25 PM
      Happy Birthday Kathryn ! It's great to see a party come off this well !

RWDPLZ MSG #631, 06-10-2012 11:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:







Yep, that is the new heart and soul of Kathryn's project...3.4 PR...now for some machining, a new cam, and if Kathryn has her way either a turbo or some NOS!



NICE! My birthday was about a week ago, and all I got was a Fiero Hot Wheels car.


Wild Horse MSG #632, 06-11-2012 06:08 PM
      I don't see a bow on the engine!!! Was it gift wrapped?

carnut122 MSG #633, 06-11-2012 08:16 PM
      Happy Birthday! 2 more years to D (L)-Day? One more until D (P) -Day? So, when you finish the car before next year, are you going to let your dad and uncle take it for a spin before you get your permit?

rambozotheclown (humbabathegreat@gmail.com) MSG #634, 06-12-2012 01:07 AM
      late happy birthday, Kathryn! and early happy fathers day to Jerry

J-Holland (j-holland2@cox.net) MSG #635, 06-14-2012 08:43 PM
      Bump

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #636, 06-16-2012 03:39 PM
      We are up north with Kathryn's sister's soccer team this weekend. So updates will be forthcoming shortly.

--MH


Dennis LaGrua (dlagrua@live.com) MSG #637, 06-16-2012 07:16 PM
      What a nice story to read. Just goes to show everyone what a little bit of money and a whole lot of youthful exhuberance and determination can accomplish.



crashyoung (jeffcrashyoung@gmail.com) MSG #638, 06-16-2012 11:25 PM
      My 12 YO grandson saw my Fiero for the first time last friday, I think he was impressed.
Next, I will give him a ride in it and see if the bug hits!


Wild Horse MSG #639, 06-17-2012 06:44 PM
      Here is the NPR program with Kathryn!
One For The Road: Teen Builds Her Own Pontiac Fiero



carnut122 MSG #640, 06-17-2012 07:54 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Wild Horse:

Here is the NPR program with Kathryn!
One For The Road: Teen Builds Her Own Pontiac Fiero



Wild Horse, thanks for posting the link. I had to perform my "daddy duty" and go out to eat with the family (like they had to twist my arm), so I missed it on the radio. . Kathryn, I enjoyed listening in.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #641, 06-19-2012 07:44 PM
      Well just a brief update.

We found a couple of exciting things in the post today when Kathryn got home.

We found a couple of new fiberglass pieces from Jim and Dan from Fierofiberglass. These were the new panels that Kathryn was really wanting and they are very nicely done.


Kathryn also got another cool present in the mail for her birthday, the shop manual for the Fiero from Randy Jones


And a little birdie told us that none other than Chip Foose will be hearing about her story in the next couple of days......I should add here that Mr. Foose is one of Kathryn's all time heroes.

-MH


pontiackid86 (phllyracer@aol.com) MSG #642, 06-19-2012 08:08 PM
      Seems to be comming along great. keep up the good work.....

RWDPLZ MSG #643, 06-19-2012 08:11 PM
      The 22P Parts book is a great resource, a lot of the part numbers have been since superseded or no longer exist in a lot of computers, but you can usually find them somewhere, or use the diagrams to show people what you're trying to find.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #644, 06-19-2012 08:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

The 22P Parts book is a great resource, a lot of the part numbers have been since superseded or no longer exist in a lot of computers, but you can usually find them somewhere, or use the diagrams to show people what you're trying to find.


Yes that was a very thoughtful gift and we are very grateful for it.

-MH


carnut122 MSG #645, 06-19-2012 09:15 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Well just a brief update.

We found a couple of exciting things in the post today when Kathryn got home.

We found a couple of new fiberglass pieces from Jim and Dan from Fierofiberglass. These were the new panels that Kathryn was really wanting and they are very nicely done.


Kathryn also got another cool present in the mail for her birthday, the shop manual for the Fiero from Randy Jones


And a little birdie told us that none other than Chip Foose will be hearing about her story in the next couple of days......I should add here that Mr. Foose is one of Kathryn's all time heroes.

-MH


That's great! I love Chip Foose!


datacop (datacop@gmail.com) MSG #646, 06-20-2012 10:12 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

[ ... snip ... ]

And a little birdie told us that none other than Chip Foose will be hearing about her story in the next couple of days......I should add here that Mr. Foose is one of Kathryn's all time heroes.

-MH


If you look through the archives.. there has been literally dozens of threads of people dreaming what Chip would do with one of our little cars if it was ever to make an episode of "Overhaulin'" when he was still doing that show.

As a matter of fact, Rallester's build was inspired by that show.. including the pranking

Looking forward to hearing more


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #647, 06-20-2012 04:27 PM
      I'm glad everything arrived safely and that Kathryn is happy.

You probably don't know this but my avatar is a doodle, done by Chip, of my car. Here is a better pic of it...


I had the pleasure of meeting Chip a few years ago.






kathryn MSG #648, 06-21-2012 04:09 PM
      Okay updates as promised, but first
Thank you to everyone for being so supportive, and all of the birthday gifts and wishes!
the updates are pretty much sanding...*wince*...lol i have started on my hood, and i have to do some other panels, and my back clip.... but i have also started cleaning up some smaller parts, and i will put up some pics later...
and also to anyone who has met Chip Foose i am immensely jealous. like well and truly jealous. But at the same time it's cool to hear from people who have met him...so yeah cool.
also i have been working on doing stuff well figuring out what i'm going to do for the makers faire.
-kathryn


PD1949 MSG #649, 06-26-2012 07:35 AM
      Hi, just ot say keep up the great work.

PD1949 MSG #650, 06-26-2012 07:37 AM
      Missy, you asked me to register so I could post on the thread. keep up the good work see you soon and looking forward to the Faire.

kathryn MSG #651, 06-26-2012 10:09 AM
      Hi everybody,
i'm slowly making progress, i have finished sanding my front deck, and i have to sand the doorskins, and finish up some of my ground effects ect. but i will be working down at my Uncles on Wednesday I think...well that's the plan anyway.
so yeah nothing exciting but i am making progress.
thanks for all the support i will be posting on thursday, and there will be no posts from me this weekend because i have a Church Youth Conference this weekend so I will not have the chance to make progress then.
thanks again
-kathryn


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #652, 06-27-2012 12:29 PM
      Well, tonight Kathryn can get her choice of project. Pull the front suspension out of the car, or pull the engine and cradle. Hmmm, I wonder what she will pick....

-MH


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #653, 06-28-2012 12:20 PM
      When you get back working on the car, don't forget to post the obligatory 'Standing In The Engine Bay' photo.

2.5 MSG #654, 06-28-2012 01:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

...so yeah nothing exciting but i am making progress.
-kathryn


Prorgess is progress
Just keep visualizing what it will be


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #655, 06-28-2012 09:25 PM
      Well everyone she did pretty well the other night. With a little help from us she managed to get the rear cradle ready to drop. She just needs to take out the four cradle bolts and lift teh car and it is out! All in about 3 hours so not to bad. :-)

-MH


jake88fm2 (jake_reed_cooks@roadrunner.com) MSG #656, 06-29-2012 08:30 PM
      I just read this whole thread. and all I can say is AMAZING! Great job! Think of the pride your going to feel when you drive that car to school the first time and all you piers jaws drop. and you know there will never be a car like that anywhere, Because you did it. you made it yours. wow! I know I'm inspired to get mine done now.

ChuckLS1 MSG #657, 06-29-2012 11:23 PM
      Overhaulin is coming back this fall on Velocity with new episodes.



fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #658, 06-30-2012 12:09 AM
      Don't let Pimp My Ride or Overhaulin' or any one else get hold of your car. It will never mean as much to you and your Dad. It will be 'their' car and not yours.

Tha Driver MSG #659, 06-30-2012 02:39 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Don't let Pimp My Ride or Overhaulin' or any one else get hold of your car. It will never mean as much to you and your Dad. It will be 'their' car and not yours.


Not to mention they'll screw up your car. I saw them (Foose) do a Dodge van/pickup & he had about eight mexicans bondo the ENTIRE sides of the truck & air filing all the bondo down!
Kathryn I sent you a PM a while back. Let me know if you got it.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts


Marine1981 MSG #660, 07-01-2012 01:33 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Don't let Pimp My Ride or Overhaulin' or any one else get hold of your car. It will never mean as much to you and your Dad. It will be 'their' car and not yours.


Plus whenever you do a restoration under a time restraint short cuts will be made that Could bite you in the rear later. It will look nice and drive great but I would rather take my time and know that everything I would be concerned with was taken care of in a way I felt comfortable with.


carnut122 MSG #661, 07-01-2012 08:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

Well everyone she did pretty well the other night. With a little help from us she managed to get the rear cradle ready to drop. She just needs to take out the four cradle bolts and lift teh car and it is out! All in about 3 hours so not to bad. :-)

-MH


You have a great deal of patience. Maybe that's why my kids didn't do anything like this? 3 hours is pretty good! Of course one rusted cradle bolt may add another 3 hours.


sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #662, 07-01-2012 09:17 PM
      I am loving all of your progress and all of your birthday goodies, Kathryn! Keep up the fabulous hard work!

kathryn MSG #663, 07-05-2012 11:47 AM
      Hey everyone and thanks for all the feed back, I am sorry for not posting but mostly i don't have much to update i have mostly been working on my display for the Makers Faire and I will be in Ohio all of next week. But before the Makers Faire my 2.8 will be dropped and ready to go down with me Again i'm sorry for not coming on and posting more but i don't have much to update!! I hope everyone had a great Fourth of July, and thanks again.
-kathryn


kathryn MSG #664, 07-09-2012 07:28 PM
      Hi again everyone
I just wanted to say that some time around the 17th I will be pulling my engine completely out and get it ready to take to the makers faire
and along with doing that I will be posting updates on how it went ect.
hope everyone is having a good summer
-kathryn


pete 2m4 (fiero2m4@verizon.net) MSG #665, 07-10-2012 01:01 AM
      Incredible job and spirit!!!! Keep up the excellent work!!!!!

RWDPLZ MSG #666, 07-10-2012 01:14 AM
      Looking forward to it! Save the old engine, a lot of the parts can be used as spares on the 3.4, like the heads.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #667, 07-11-2012 02:19 PM
      A few short updates:

Fierofool, we will make sure to get the "standing in the engine bay photo" How could we forget that one!

We'll make sure to keep the 2.8 as well. I know that Kathryn is looking forward to tearing both engines down....all part of the learning process.

Those that have PM'd me ore Kathryn hopefully you have received replies. I know Kathryn was sending some emails and PM's out just the other night.

Preparations for Makers Faire as well as progress on the car itself continues. There is a big package in the living room for Kathryn when she gets back from the week at her grandparents that looks suspiciously like a new fiberglass f355 nose. Nice! Also, 4 big boxes of materials arrived today from Kathryn's sponsors at 3M! Since she hasn't gotten to see the contents yet, I won't go into too much detail, or post photos.....yet....but suffice it to say she owes them a REALLY NICE THANK YOU LETTER! There are some items there that are really going to make the project better, and will have saved her time, money, and effort. Dave, Jay, and Bill, and the rest of the 3M crew...thank you!

We will be finishing the engine/transmission/rear cradle pull next week as well as starting on pulling the front suspension. Things should be moving quick in the next couple of weeks. Also for those of you in the MI area we might have a place you can watch some of Kathryn's progress shortly...stay tuned. If you are free the weekend of the 28th and 29th and are around Detroit, please feel free to stop in and say hi to Kathryn at the Makers Faire at the Henry Ford. For those of you going to the Tyler Show, we will miss you, but have a great time in MN and we will hope to see you there next year!

-MH


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #668, 07-11-2012 10:56 PM
      michhiker28, if I remember correctly that same weekend the Capital City Fiero Club will have their show, run weekend. We will be in the Jackson area and also going to the MIS speedway for a run on the track at speed. This is the last time we can get on the track since it has changed ownership. So if you and your daughter can break free we would love to meet her and you in person. And maybe some of us can break free long enough to go the the Maker's Fair.

Have a good time. You both are doing great.


Wild Horse MSG #669, 07-12-2012 12:02 AM
      Now wouldn't it be cool if the Capital City Fiero Club went as a group to the Makers Faire to surprise Kathryn?

Formula88 MSG #670, 07-12-2012 12:23 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Wild Horse:

Now wouldn't it be cool if the Capital City Fiero Club went as a group to the Makers Faire to surprise Kathryn?


It would be cool, but now that you've posted it on the internet, it wouldn't be a surprise.


gen2muchwork (dbrice3721@gmail.com) MSG #671, 07-12-2012 01:17 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

i have mostly been working on my display for the Makers Faire and I will be in Ohio all of next week. But before the Makers Faire my 2.8 will be dropped and ready to go down with me -kathryn

are you going to be at tho ohio faire only?
I plan to attend the Dearborn/Henry Ford one, it would be neat to see your display in person.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #672, 07-12-2012 02:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by gen2muchwork:

are you going to be at tho ohio faire only?
I plan to attend the Dearborn/Henry Ford one, it would be neat to see your display in person.


Gen2, she will be at the Detroit Faire. She is in Ohio for this week visiting family, We'll look forward to seeing you if you stop by at Detroit!

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #673, 07-12-2012 05:31 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Formula88:


It would be cool, but now that you've posted it on the internet, it wouldn't be a surprise.


Actually.. If they agreed to do it it wouldn't be a surprise...



MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #674, 07-12-2012 07:52 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Wild Horse:

Now wouldn't it be cool if the Capital City Fiero Club went as a group to the Makers Faire to surprise Kathryn?


It would be cool except that the whole weekend is scheduled for things to do. So I don't believe we could do that. You can go to www.capitalcityfieros.com to see the schedule for our weekend. And this is the last time we will be able to drive on the MIS track, so if anyone wants to drive on the track, this is the time.



RWDPLZ MSG #675, 07-12-2012 09:10 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by MadMark:


It would be cool except that the whole weekend is scheduled for things to do. So I don't believe we could do that. You can go to www.capitalcityfieros.com to see the schedule for our weekend. And this is the last time we will be able to drive on the MIS track, so if anyone wants to drive on the track, this is the time.


How do I sign up to drive at MIS? I've always wanted to do that.


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #676, 07-12-2012 11:19 PM
      If you want to drive on the MIS track, just go to the Capitol City Fiero's Website I listed before and fill out the form. I just talked to Bob the president tonight and if all you want to do is drive with us on the track, he has a signup for that too. You had better hurry to sign up since this is the last time because the track ownership changed and decided this is the last time they are allowing this.

Sorry to steal the thread. Any other questions on this just got to www.http://www.capitolcityf...excitement-2012.html or to the thread about the Capitol City Fiero's Driving the Excitement.


mrvids MSG #677, 07-13-2012 09:18 AM
      What will the cradle get coated with to help prevent rust?

[This message has been edited by mrvids (edited 07-13-2012).]

gen2muchwork (dbrice3721@gmail.com) MSG #678, 07-16-2012 07:10 AM
      thats great! I'm looking forward to meeting you guys there. I see they are already preparing for it in the parking lot ( I work down the street)

 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:


Gen2, she will be at the Detroit Faire. She is in Ohio for this week visiting family, We'll look forward to seeing you if you stop by at Detroit!

-MH




GADJet MSG #679, 07-18-2012 12:23 PM
      This thread amazes me everytime I open it. I am so proud of this little girl and what she is doing. I wish half the kids these days would find a hobby to keep them entertained and out of the streets. Kathryn I am so proud of what your doing and everytime I turn around there is something else going on. Keep up the hard work dear.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #680, 07-18-2012 09:19 PM
      Well time for a brief update. Last evening we had a friend from 3M stop by with some cool items for Kathryn...I'll let her tell you a bit more about that, as I am sure she will be excited to share the goodies. Suffice it to say that Kathryn was given some wonderful gifts including some excellent abrasives that should make the prep for paint and the final coats absolutely beautiful. 3000 grit is amazing stuff! We'll have photos of some of this a bit later one.

Tonight we went down and finished what she had started a couple of weeks ago.
Of course anytime you get to turn some wrenches it is a good time


and when you get to spend the time as Daddy and daughter it is even better!


a very special thank you should be mentioned here, as you will notice we were both kinda busy for some of these pics so Kathryn's little sister Jessica was our camera operator tonight! Thanks for all your help J! She is following in big sis's footsteps and thinks that in a couple of years she wants to tackle doing a CJ5.

Lots of wrenching still do do...the cradle bolts weren't as bad as we thought, but they weren't easy either. Kathryn managed 3 of them...dad had to help with the other...even with the big breaking bar.


We simply followed the instructions...thanks all


and made sure to check that we remembered everything and checked clearances as the cradle went down and the car came up!






and of course it wouldn't be complete without the standing in the engine bay photos





there ya go folks...so easy even a 14 year old girl can do it!

Tomorrow it is time to split the engine and transmission. If any of you are going to be at Makers Faire Detroit next weekend, the goal is to have the 2.8 down there.

Till next time...
-MH




kathryn MSG #681, 07-20-2012 01:10 PM
      Hi everyone,
I have been keeping with the forum when I was in Ohio, and I am back to report. Last night my Dad and I with some pics taken by Jessica have split the engine from the transmition ect. All I have to do tonight is drain the fluids, take off the water pump, get the engine block on the engine stand and somehow get that in the truck....
I also have to finish up my Makers Faire display, I have a busy weekend in front of me
But let's back track.
Just the other day on Tuesday my 3M friend David and his family stopped over to finish bringing me some other supplies. And let's just say I owe 3M a really BIG thank you!! Some of the things they have sent are a custom welding helmet...with yellow flames
a resporator, tons of different grit sanding disks, some of the actual sanding pads that the disks attach to on the sander, multiple safty glasses in case I like one design better than another, earmuffs, ear plugs(shaped like pistons!!), abrasive sheets, a filler for dents and things in the panels, a worker safety kit, amoung other things.
pictures will be posted soon.
thank you everyone for all the support and assistance!! and i look forward to possibly seeing some of you at the Makers Faire!!
-kathryn


JimmyS (imezru1967@hotmail.com) MSG #682, 07-20-2012 06:13 PM
      Kathryn,

Dan and I would like to thank you for the letter. It was/is very sweet and we are glad that we could contribute to your project. Keep up the good work. You are well on your way to having a very sweet ride for when you turn 16.

Jim


sadie goad (sadiegoad@gmail.com) MSG #683, 07-20-2012 10:30 PM
      Wow! What awesome! Keep it up, and I look forward to hearing about your experience at the Makers Faire

carnut122 MSG #684, 07-21-2012 11:11 AM
      Nice pictures! It looks like you'll soon get some use out of that welding helmet. I hope you get a bit done before school starts back up.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #685, 07-22-2012 06:32 PM
      I promised Kathryn I would get some photos up, of some recent events.

Recently as Kathryn I think let you know she recently had a visit from one of her friends at 3M. David and his family stopped by while on family vacation no less to be able to meet Kathryn and drop off a few things to her. Very cool.

One of Kathryn's favorites was this welding helmet


Of course it looks even better modeled...lol!


Then there were some fun other items


Including some nice sound deadening panels that will be going on the firewall.....Kathryn liked that not only will they help cool and quiet down the ride, and they will look better then the old ratty insulation that is in there, but with the black and yellow color scheme, she really like that these look like black dragon skin.


So she also got a lot of nice abrasives all the way to 3000 grit! Should make for a VERY NICE finish!




And of course, the worst part is always saying goodbye to new friends.


-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #686, 07-22-2012 07:06 PM
      A few photos from the last couple of nights progress.

we have been working on getting the engine and transmission out and the 2.8 ready to take down to Makers Faire. She will be pulling it all apart there. A very special thanks to Kathryn's younger sister Jessica for working with us the other night and taking these photos.


Kathryn liked engine disassembly!


In fact, she managed to get the clutch and flywheel off by herself faster than Dad was able to remove the water pump!

Here is Kathryn removing the backside exhaust header



And of course getting the wiring harness completely off is always an accomplishment!


the more you remove the mare the parts start to pile up!


But the reality is that this has been a wonderful project. Kathryn has learned so much about so many things. She has been able to learn how to weld, auto mechanics, engineering, interview skills, interacting with adults, confidence, applied math, tools, etc. I could have never imagined that this would have been as great of an event as it has become. Everyone here has been so supportive, kind and helpful to her and I. It has become one of those events in life that you just reflect on and go...WOW! I wouldn't trade that for anything. At the end of the day, it is all about having fun together. I think the following photos are some of my favorite from the whole project.









Kathryn pulls the engine mount bolts



and it is off the cradle and ready to mount to the engine stand!



-MH




California Kid MSG #687, 07-22-2012 07:54 PM
      Thanks for the updates ! This thread is rather "Special" to me, and I enjoy watching the progress unfold. I believe/hope it builds to something very special for all of you down the road, and that the joys currently, are just the tip of the iceberg.

Formula88 MSG #688, 07-22-2012 08:15 PM
      Some of the best times I had with my father were working on cars. This is going to be something you'll remember the rest of your life.
Good job, and keep up the good work!!


Capitol City Fiero (capitolcityfieros@gmail.com) MSG #689, 07-23-2012 06:13 PM
      Kathryn: here is the invite to MIS you need to be at main entrance on US-12 at 10:15 AM You Can ride with me I will be running class 2 the stock V-6 cars
I'm the pace car for this class.

just email me at capitolcityfieros@gmail.com or PM me


montage MSG #690, 07-23-2012 08:32 PM
      Ditto that big time Kid!


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #691, 07-24-2012 09:24 PM
      CCF, and Montage,
thanks so much for that wonderful offer. I know she would love to be there to meet you all and especially to get on the track. We'll talk a bit to see if there is anyway we can get her to break free from the MF for a little bit, and we'll be in touch soon.

For those of you in the Mid-Michigan area, ABC 12 just did an interview with her today. We "think" it is going to be on the 6 o'clock news tomorrow 7/25, but we are still waiting to hear for sure. We'll let you all know when we know.

-MH


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #692, 07-24-2012 09:46 PM
      Great, I would love to hear the interview. keep up the good work Kathryn.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #693, 07-25-2012 03:16 PM
      The story should be airing on ABC 12 at about 4:20 this afternoon, it will later be linked on their website so I'll try to post a link once we have that as well.

-MH


MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #694, 07-25-2012 04:08 PM
      Thanks MH, I will be watching.

mrvids MSG #695, 07-25-2012 06:02 PM
      http://www.abc12.com/story/...restoring-1986-fiero

Above is the link to the story. :-) It may air again in a month or so during ABC 12's Back to the Bricks coverage.


ChuckLS1 MSG #696, 07-25-2012 06:34 PM
      That was a great story!



MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #697, 07-25-2012 06:38 PM
      That was a good story. Good on you Kathryn and MH. It is fun to see the kind of attention that a good story can get.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #698, 07-26-2012 09:42 AM
      One of the interviews from Makers Faire can be found here:
http://blog.makezine.com/20...th-fieros-interview/



Wild Horse MSG #699, 07-26-2012 01:12 PM
      Kathryn
Both of those interviews are excellent. Congratulations you are coming along so well.

MH
I could see the pride in your smile on the ABC interview and from what I see, Kathryn has given you good reason to be proud. But don't forget, the lessons from you and your Mrs. are the full reason Kathryn is turning out the way she is, so give yourselves a big pat on the back for raising such an inspirational daughter!



California Kid MSG #700, 07-26-2012 05:39 PM
      You are both doing a fine job with the interviews and video's !

I'm a bit camera shy, but that got tested out by a TV Crew at the GM Employee Car Show this past Wednesday. I was so rattled that I didn't even get Channel name or their business card, LOL!!! If I ever find the video, and if it's any good, I'll post it on the forum. Crew said I did a real good job, and I'm like "really, it didn't feel good".


Mugwort (david.zippofreak@gmail.com) MSG #701, 07-26-2012 05:54 PM
      took me most of my work day to read thru this entire thread on my phone at work (i probably should have been working, but this was far more interesting lol) and i gotta say, it was the greatest thread I've ever read! My son will be 18 tomorrow and he isnt even interested in cars much less having bothered to buy or work on one. Keep the great work you 2

Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #702, 07-26-2012 07:41 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

One of the interviews from Makers Faire can be found here:
http://blog.makezine.com/20...th-fieros-interview/


"Penncock's Fiero Forum"?


RWDPLZ MSG #703, 07-26-2012 07:43 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:


"Penncock's Fiero Forum"?


The interviewer misspelled it. Auto-correct is a PETA


Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #704, 07-26-2012 07:48 PM
      I noticed a huge spike in traffic again today and at first I thought it was because of the Makezine interview. But oddly enough, all that traffic came from a Polish blog where there was a link to this thread.

That link brought 17,610 visitors in about an hour. At its peak, 1,342 visitors were reading this thread at the same time.


California Kid MSG #705, 07-26-2012 07:58 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

I noticed a huge spike in traffic again today and at first I thought it was because of the Makezine interview. But oddly enough, all that traffic came from a Polish blog where there was a link to this thread.

That link brought 17,610 visitors in about an hour. At its peak, 1,342 visitors were reading this thread at the same time.


WOW ! They have that many computers over there !

LOL, just kidding and I know the Polish have a great sense of humor.


kathryn MSG #706, 07-26-2012 09:18 PM
      hey guys
Cliff i seriously only turned my back on them for a minute and now look at all the trouble that's gotten stirred up again...seriously though sorry about that And i would really like to thank you all for the great offers encouragement and support!! So updates...I have started grinding down my frame rails and they are actually way better than I thought they would be from the looks of them. My 2.8 liter is pulled and in the truck ready to go down to Makers Faire with me tomorrow, and I have been working on getting my front bumper put back together along with finishing things for Makers Faire. I hope to see some of you there on Saturday and Sunday if possible
Thanks again everyone and I will have a lot to update over the weekend I'm sure.
-kathryn


Maciej C MSG #707, 07-27-2012 07:03 PM
      Hello. I would like to put a few things straight. Firstly, wykop.pl is not a blog, it is a very popular Polish social media site where people share links that they find interesting (sth like digg.com or reddit.com). Secondly, I would like to deny that Poland is in Southern America (I've heard that many US citizens think so as they are not very good at geography, so I thought it might be useful when I clarify that). Jokin' of course, I know you have a good sense of humor too Regards, Maciej

California Kid MSG #708, 07-27-2012 07:19 PM
      ROFLMAO ! Nice post Maciej

kathryn MSG #709, 07-28-2012 12:59 PM
      We are at Maker's Faire...having a great time, if anyone is in Detroit, stop on by!

-Kathryn


nitroheadz28 MSG #710, 07-28-2012 03:09 PM
      Polska bialo czerwoni! Shameless plug for Polish representation

Enjoy yourself Kathryn


kathryn MSG #711, 07-28-2012 05:48 PM
      Hey everyone,
Makers Faire is almost at the end of it's first day and so far i have almost completely torn down my original engine everything is off except for pistons, oil pump, and crank. I have also somehow managed to have two interviews FOX and CNN. Thanks for everything and I hope to have more updates tomorrow!! also i will try to find the times for the interviews!!
thanks again
-kathryn


lometje MSG #712, 07-28-2012 06:03 PM
      Just have read the whole topic on this build and wanted to give thumbs up ( ) for the progress so far! Can't wait to see the end result,
Congrats on the torn down engine and interviews!

ps. I came across this forum from the blog hackaday > http://hackaday.com/2012/07...r-her-16th-birthday/


05STiDemon MSG #713, 07-28-2012 06:27 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by lometje:

Just have read the whole topic on this build and wanted to give thumbs up ( ) for the progress so far! Can't wait to see the end result,
Congrats on the torn down engine and interviews!

ps. I came across this forum from the blog hackaday > http://hackaday.com/2012/07...r-her-16th-birthday/


I also came from Hackaday yesterday around 5pm and didn't finish reading until 2am today. I wanted to wish you good luck and that you're doing a wonderful job.

You have also inspired me to find a Fiero and work on it and to start working on my current car again, but I'll leave that out of here.

Edit:

When I started working on vehicles, I could not even change a tire or the oil, and I too have came along way, however you outshine me more than the Sun and the Moon.

I'm glad that you are enjoying MF, they are really fun for all.

Please keep up the great work Kathryn and Dad! ヽ(*⌒∇⌒*)ノ

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NxieToob MSG #714, 07-28-2012 08:44 PM
      Another fan here from Hackaday. Wow, your story is inspiring as many have already noted.

I also started working on cars as a young teen (switched from ham radio). Many moons ago.
The bug bit hard. I've rebuilt many engines since then but never a project as fine as yours!

You're fortunate to have a gearhead dad and all the tools you have available. Rock on!

Edit: I'm originally from MoTown, MI but live in CA now.

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kathryn MSG #715, 07-29-2012 02:27 PM
      Down to bare block!


Gokart Mozart MSG #716, 07-29-2012 03:26 PM
      Saw your story on Fox 2 this morning. I'll say great choice on your first car! I like your determination and focus on setting your dreams and the ability to learn new skills to achieve them. You know what you want and are willing to take your time to get them. I'm sure there's plenty of things you can't wait to get now but the effort on troubleshooting the complete rebuild of a car is a huge undertaking that you're well on the way of completing. Those skills will translate into great opportunities for you in the future.

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #717, 07-29-2012 10:13 PM
      Well, we arrived home safe and sound. Kathryn had a great time I think. She'll have some photos to post soon, and she has now officially torn down her first engine from start to finish. She learned a lot along the way. Now to tear down and rebuild the 3.4 I see we have a good thread going so that will be some good reading material. We know that she wants a bigger cam, etc. So it should be fun!

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #718, 07-29-2012 10:22 PM
      Here is a link to the Fox News Detroit story and video:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com...enry-ford-july-28-29

-MH


wan2b007 (jwhildeb@gmail.com) MSG #719, 07-30-2012 12:49 AM
      It was so cool meeting you at Maker Faire today! Very inspiring. If I decide to part out my 86, you'll be the first to know

--NASA Shirt Guy with CMU GF


gen2muchwork (dbrice3721@gmail.com) MSG #720, 07-30-2012 06:05 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by wan2b007:

It was so cool meeting you at Maker Faire today! Very inspiring. If I decide to part out my 86, you'll be the first to know

--NASA Shirt Guy with CMU GF


I'll second that! Great to meet you and your family. It really is cool to meet you guys. Your famous now you know! Good luck with the work ahead of you.

- Dave, Susie and baby Claire


fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #721, 07-30-2012 08:50 AM
      I thought something was odd and dumb me just realized. Jerry, correct the time/date stamp on your camera. It's off by about 50 days.

kathryn MSG #722, 07-30-2012 08:40 PM
      Hey everyone,
sorry for the longish delay, but everyone tells you how fun Maker Faires are (which they are amazing) but no one tells you that you're exhausted afterwards
So as you all know I have taken my 2.8 liter engine down to bare block ( my practice run ) and this evening I have gotten my 3.4 into my garage and will be tearing that down in the next week at some point. Also I just wanted to say thanks to those of you who stopped by, it was fun meeting you!!! Anyway thank you everyone for all the support and for sticking with me the whole way!! And if there is something i need to know in order to tear an engine apart...or in order to put one back together let me know. I do not need to mess something up. Thanks again pics coming soon!
-kathryn


California Kid MSG #723, 07-30-2012 09:02 PM
      Thanks for the updates Kathryn !

It's best to have simple wood blocks with holes or dowels to hold / arrange valve train parts to id location, so they can be put back in the same position. Also read up on how to properly use a Torque Wrench and what the torque for each nut/bolt should be, when you go to put the engine back together. I'd advise you to get a white or yellow paint pen, so that when you finish torquing it, mark it. Before you button it up, do a visual inspection of all fasteners to be sure the are marked.

Don't know if this is a repeat, but you made the "Oddities" page in the Hemmings Blog:

http://blog.hemmings.com/in...p/category/oddities/

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michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #724, 07-30-2012 09:47 PM
      Awesome advice California Kid, thanks. We used egg cartons to keep the lifters and pushrods organized, but I really like the wooden block idea. FieroFool, thanks for the reminder about the camera. That one is the Kathryn's little sisters and I need to reminder her to update her time stamp! I promised Kathryn that I would get her photos up tonight so here goes!

So we arrived in the afternoon on Friday and started to get set up, but there was a major rain storm. In the end, this is how Kathryn decided to organize her exhibit space








On Saturday morning we arrive early, and a group of summer high school tech students stopped by with their teacher to have Kathryn explain the project to them



Then it was time to start on the engine!







Dad had to get involved to show her how to set up the harmonic balancer remover



and then she went about pulling that part on her own too



Once that was done, Fox 2 Detroit stopped by to interview Kathryn as their featured maker





It was a great interview and then back to work. At that point was when Kathryn drew first blood :-)



About that time CNN showed up for their interview time







It was a VERY fun interview. We should be seeing that one soon!
By that time Kathryn was getting a bit tired, so we did a little work showing how to check the lifters for concentricity and wear.



and that was how we left it at the end of day one with the engine in this condition



-MH


mrvids MSG #725, 07-30-2012 09:57 PM
      http://www.abc12.com/video?...42900&autostart=true
It's the same video from ABC 12 with a different introduction, but Kathryn was chosen as this weeks "Good Kids". The Good Kids segment profile students doing positive things either for or in their community.
So she's actually on the ABC12.com website twice. :-)
BTW, they could have used Kathryn at Cedar Point, on Saturday I saw at least 5 or 6 "Cadillac Cars" that needed repair as they had red "do not use" tags on them.

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michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #726, 07-30-2012 10:03 PM
      Day two started off with an opportunity to meet a few forum members! Always a fun experience. We got this picture with gen2muchwork and family :-)


Kathryn also discovered that once you get a piston removed then it makes a great sock puppet stage. Playing sock puppets can be a lot of fun, makes for good laughs....especially when it is hot, sweaty, and dirty work. A break from the seriousness is good, and she cracked us all up with this one!





But of course when you have one out you still have 5 more to go!





One of the highlights for Kathryn, I think, was showing little kids how it all works. Her she was letting a little boy spin the crank shaft to watch the remaining pistons move, and then showed him the lifters, rockers, and pushrods.






Towards the end of day two the officials from the Henry Ford stopped by to ward her the editors choice award



Then it was time to pull the crankshaft!





and that means that engine #1 was done!



The rest of the faire was talking with individuals and sharing the ups and downs of the project. Kathryn won a couple of converts. At least one person who stopped by decided to start working on their Fiero after it sitting for 4 years. Another teen stopped by with his parents and had wanted to rebuild a car, but they weren't sure. That was a 1/2 hour conversation, but Kathryn explained all the good things and some of the challenges of an endeavor like this. They decided to let him try it. Not sure what kind of car he will decide on, but Kathryn was a good ambassador for the hobby.



Finally she was able to hang out with some other makers. She really enjoyed talking to the guy from Dozer Cycles and decided that perhaps that might be a fun project for the future...perhaps something like this:



--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #727, 07-30-2012 10:07 PM
      Finally, today she was able to get the 3.4 on the engine stand at home ready to take apart. Excited to get started. When the mail came today, she had another new present from our friends at 3M



and this from Kettering University, that would love to have her come to a Mechanical Engineering open house. Should be fun! It will be interesting to see if her 1st choice MIT gets in contact...lol!



-MH


California Kid MSG #728, 07-30-2012 10:09 PM
      Congrats on the "Editors Choice Award" !!! Told ya this would be better than going to a car show !

Quote I found on another web site where they were talking about you:

"She will be the nightmare customer from hell for any mechanic who tries to scam her."

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exoticse (exoticse@netzero.com) MSG #729, 07-31-2012 01:40 AM
     
Kathryn,

Great job so far !!

I was a news reporter for 10 years and i can tell you that the media loves positive stories like yours.

Keep plugging away and good things will continue to happen.

You have me looking forward to the day when i hopefully can do a similar project with my own daughter.




Best wishes

Tony


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #730, 07-31-2012 08:11 AM
      A most recent link from wired.....

http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/07/fiero-girl/

--MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #731, 07-31-2012 08:20 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by exoticse:


Kathryn,

Great job so far !!

I was a news reporter for 10 years and i can tell you that the media loves positive stories like yours.

Keep plugging away and good things will continue to happen.

You have me looking forward to the day when i hopefully can do a similar project with my own daughter.




Best wishes

Tony


Tony, that is an awesome photo! I'll tell you it has been so much fun as a daddy/daughter project....so much learning, so much bonding time. Amazing too to see the progress. Last night we moved the 3.4 ready to disassemble. Dad had to help a bit with the heavy lifting, but Kathryn jumped right in on setting up the engine stand and hoist, bolting on the block, etc, etc. etc. No asking "what tools do we need, what next? etc" Just jumped in and did it, over and over again you see the lessons sink in and that is just cool as a Dad. Keep us updated on the little ones progress too! :-)

-MH



kathryn MSG #732, 07-31-2012 01:41 PM
      Hey everyone just a quick update today I have literally just started to get the 3.4 liter apart and it's being stubborn, however hopefully by this evening it will be responding a little better Thanks for being supportive and sharing good ideas, good luck with all your projects!!
-kathryn


RWDPLZ MSG #733, 07-31-2012 03:43 PM
      The best thing I've found for stubborn, rusted Michigan bolts, is heat. I used to use a propane torch, but I just got a MAPP torch, seems to work faster, and you can turn the flame on and off by pressing and holding a button. Helps to wear welding gloves while using it.



CamaroGeek MSG #734, 07-31-2012 11:26 PM
      I just have to say I found this thread a couple days ago from hackaday and had to join just to say how awesome what you're doing is. I've always wanted to do a build / restoration like you are. You've learned more in the past year and a half than I have since my car addiction began when I started doing my own oil changes at 18 on my own initiative (over 10 years ago). No one in my family is car friendly but since I started with the oil changes it progressed into bolting on a replacement muffler to spark plugs and wires to power steering pumps to a complete rear end swap and suspension restoration (still in progress as it's my dd). Be careful with this car stuff because it is addictive. Because of this thread I now want to restore a fiero in addition to wanting to do a restore and engine swap on my current car (96 camaro - 3800II - it wants a turbo bad).
Edit: From someone in the NE for the rusted bolts I usually go the pb blaster soak and a large breaker - if the bolt breaks it probably should be replaced anyways. If its a bolt that would be hard to remove if the head came off try all other means before breaking it as stuck bolts with no head are even harder to deal with. If you ever decide to go 3800 either na or sc you can get some nice low mileage cheap engines from recent cars.

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Danyel MSG #735, 08-01-2012 08:44 AM
      Kathryn :

Its a real pleasure seeing your work and devotion to the rebuild of your fiero...I am positive you will achieve alot in life and I can also see great successes in your future. Keep posting for us all to see and enjoy. Maybe one day we will meet. Congratulations on your awards...

your canadian friend

Danyel



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #736, 08-01-2012 04:50 PM
      http://www.curbsideclassic....o-plays-with-fieros/


http://www.freerepublic.com...f-chat/2912992/posts
-MH

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Wild Horse MSG #737, 08-01-2012 09:57 PM
      Getting some great feedback on the FreeRepublic link



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #738, 08-02-2012 02:55 PM
      Does anyone read Spanish and want to translate?

http://www.motorpasion.com/...ra-su-16o-cumpleanos

http://lukor.com/blogs/revi...ner-listo-para-su-16 o-cumpleanos

-MH

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Wild Horse MSG #739, 08-02-2012 04:15 PM
      Translation of http://www.motorpasion.com/...ra-su-16o-cumpleanos (This is a rough translation, not exact)

A girl restoring a Pontiac Fiero of 86, he hopes to have ready for his 16th birthday 48 COMMENTS
Delco
August 2, 2012 | 14:00


The story that I bring today is moving. The protagonist is called Kathryn DiMaria , a young girl who at age 12 is proposed to buy and restore an old Pontiac Fiero , 1986, in order to have the car ready for the day she turned 16, when she can drive her jewel .

It all started the day that her parents raised her desire, " Dad, Mom, can we talk for a moment? ". Kathryn had the idea quite mature, although that time was not yet 12 years of age. Project funding was not a problem, work, babysitting (babysitting) to cover expenses.

I imagine the face that had to put their parents and do not say much for the initiative itself, but the arguments presented by Kathryn to convince their viability over the project. Finally DiMaria parents supported there daughter, who spent two years working on the restoration of the Fiero .


Kathryn chose the Pontiac Fiero because "I saw a show and it seemed interesting, with a reasonable fuel consumption". The cost of the car was relatively cheap and she could afford it. Four years was enough time to fully restore the Fiero.

It would also be a great opportunity to learn how a car with a reasonable cost of learning, the pair that would serve as a distraction. Need, yes, a manual for learning to drive. When you have finished restoring a classic and ... she would pay it.

The young entrepreneur has taken the upper hand and the project is doing well at full speed. At the moment the discussion thread in the Fiero Forum occupies 19 pages, where the community has turned to Kathryn, providing solutions, ideas, and free parts .

Kathryn, you are a role model.

My admiration also for your parents for supporting your dream.
ABC 12 - WJRT - Flint, MI
Thanks to Javier Navarro for the track.

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carnut122 MSG #740, 08-02-2012 06:26 PM
      Congratulations on going international!

mrvids MSG #741, 08-02-2012 08:12 PM
     
At that point was when Kathryn drew first blood :-)



If she was wearing the mechanics gloves that someone gave her she wouldn't have suffered this injury.
Within a year or two she'll start bleeding 5w30 when she gets a cut.



fierofool (cmmsewell@gmail.com) MSG #742, 08-02-2012 10:28 PM
      Kathryn, I gotta know how you do it. How do you completely disassemble a motor without getting dirt and grease all over you and under your fingernails? I got dirtier than you just by rebuilding a set of headlight motors.

Wild Horse MSG #743, 08-03-2012 07:42 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by fierofool:

Kathryn, I gotta know how you do it. How do you completely disassemble a motor without getting dirt and grease all over you and under your fingernails? I got dirtier than you just by rebuilding a set of headlight motors.


Dawn Dish Soap: Place motor in Moms Dishwasher, Add 1 small bottle Dawn Dish Soap. Cycle 3 times (First to clean, second to get rid of bubbles, third because the bubbles didn't go away). Take motor outside, Hose down well, call Airport in case any aircraft need foam for emergency landing. Place motor in the back of Dads truck, drive truck on freeway 75 miles and watch the bubbles fill the air. Motor dry and grease free.


s550w MSG #744, 08-03-2012 10:02 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Wild Horse:


Dawn Dish Soap: Place motor in Moms Dishwasher, Add 1 small bottle Dawn Dish Soap. Cycle 3 times (First to clean, second to get rid of bubbles, third because the bubbles didn't go away). Take motor outside, Hose down well, call Airport in case any aircraft need foam for emergency landing. Place motor in the back of Dads truck, drive truck on freeway 75 miles and watch the bubbles fill the air. Motor dry and grease free.


Is this personal experience? LOL


kathryn MSG #745, 08-04-2012 10:58 AM
      Hey everyone, I just want to say that I love coming back on and seeing all the responses, great ideas, and comments
So as for updates my 3.4 is finally starting to come apart now that some of those bolts are off. So far I've taken off all the extra exahust manafolds, ect. and I am down to just one head, crank, and pistons. Also in terms of my first blood, I do realize that I wasn't (even if I should have been) wearing gloves but the issue was it was soooo hot, and that means I had (of course) had the set up so I was working in direct sunlight soo yeah, gloves are an issue for me. But thanks for all the advice and I will make sure to wear gloves from now on when working with dangerous artifacts (meaning all of my car pretty much)...lol.
Thanks again everyone and I will be sure to try some of that...but in terms to the question i just somehow manage to only get all the dirt on the palms of my hands so it's not showing in that picture...sadly because grease is my makeup
thanks for everything....including gloves
-kathryn
p.s. pictures coming soon


DavidLee MSG #746, 08-07-2012 04:44 PM
      Hi Kathryn, I was just catching up on your blog, and I am curious if you have an update on the number of views. I recall is was 200,000 a couple/few months ago, and that was before the international and Spanish attention. Can you get an update?



MadMark (markbannan1@gmail.com) MSG #747, 08-07-2012 04:48 PM
      DavidLee, it is listed on the General Chat page in one of the columns. Right now it is over 367K.

RWDPLZ MSG #748, 08-07-2012 04:48 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DavidLee:

Hi Kathryn, I was just catching up on your blog, and I am curious if you have an update on the number of views. I recall is was 200,000 a couple/few months ago, and that was before the international and Spanish attention. Can you get an update?



You can see the number of views a thread has on the main page, this thread is up to 367,667


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #749, 08-07-2012 08:52 PM
      Well I promised Kathryn I would upload a few new photos for her. As you have already observed she torn teh 2.8 down to bare block in Detroit, and this last week we had the 3.4 on the engine stand in the garage. I would come home from work and see the progress. She worked on this one on her own a few days out in the garage. She did pretty well. We still have one head stuck that we need to pry off, but other than that it is now apart. The crank is out, and we have 3 pistons still in the bores. The bores look good as do the bearings, so we are probably looking at hot tanking the block, and shot blasting it as well. We'll have the machine shop remove the cam bearings and install new ones, hone the cylinders, clean up the pistons, port match and polish the heads as well as a valve job and we should be back in business. Ready for her to put it all together again. She also wants to put the 2.8 back together again as a practice attempt and make sure it runs. It was in good shape so we'll do new bearings on that one and gaskets. Then make sure she has it all down before putting the 3.4 together.

We know that she also wants a bigger cam (she likes the lopey idle sound) We don't sniff in Michigan so we know that we are removing the cat. With the bigger cam (260 or 272) we'll probably go with different rockers, etc. She also has a small turbo that she could fab to the build if she wanted or we could go a small NOS shot. Her goal is 200 horse or as many over that as she can talk me into. So if you have recommendations for the 3.4 build, please feel free to post away. We are looking for advice and insight. Here are a couple of photos of what she did on the first day working on her own. You'll note that the intakes, valley, water pump, starter, fuel rail, etc. are all off and all on her own. Pretty fun to see her progress and learn.







-MH


Wild Horse MSG #750, 08-08-2012 06:49 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by DavidLee:

Hi Kathryn, I was just catching up on your blog, and I am curious if you have an update on the number of views. I recall is was 200,000 a couple/few months ago, and that was before the international and Spanish attention. Can you get an update?



David, if you look above any page in the thread, you will see the stats info on the thread

12 year olds and cars - Kathryn's Fiero by michhiker28
Started on : 04-18-2011 04:37 PM
Replies : 748 (368211 views)
Last post by : michhiker28 on 08-07-2012 08:52 PM

Right there on the replies line you see the number of posts to the thread as well as the number of views.


Wild Horse MSG #751, 08-08-2012 07:00 AM
      MH
I had a head stuck on an engine one before, rather than using anything to "pry" it off, might be a better idea to use a rubber mallet to knock it loose. Quite often a repeated strike with he mallet will break whatever seal it holding without taking a chance of scaring any mating metal. Be sure to have 2 head bolts in place but not tight when striking with the mallet, no need having the head come loose and falling to the floor.

On the extra power, I would think the small turbo would be a better for her. Nitro can be very unpredictable and with all the work she is putting in this car an unpredictability could spell disaster. A single faulty valve in a nitro system could destroy her engine with her never even engaging the system.

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DavidLee MSG #752, 08-08-2012 09:44 AM
      Hey look everyone! The "eBusiness Manager" doesn't know how to read a web page!
Thanks for directing me to the number of view, RWDPLZ and MadMark. 367k Wow!!!

 
quote
Originally posted by RWDPLZ:


You can see the number of views a thread has on the main page, this thread is up to 367,667




mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #753, 08-08-2012 06:22 PM
      To Kathryn and Dad,
I have been reading with great interest this entire thread as it has developed.
One thing I must comment on, Kathryn you have become a great ambassador of your generation to
many of the older generation.
Your enthusiasm and personality as shown through the posts will do you well in your future and are a compliment to your family and parents.

About your car, particularly the engine;
I have always felt that the personality and skills of a car rebuilder were best showcased by the pperformance
and as importantly the appearance of the engine and the engine compartment.
There hasn't been a hot car around that hasn't seen its owner being asked to pop the hood.

All of us have experienced admiration and awe at a well laid out and clean engine compartment; these qualities make a car especially memorable.
You are well on your way to being an icon in the future of automotive memories.
I know you have many guides and helpers to assist you on your way to completing a beautiful beast.
By the way,we have a tradition in our family of naming our cars. I don't recall any mention of that in the posts. Perhaps I missed it.
Did you have a name for your car selected?

The patience you have shown in rebuilding your car is amazing. Cudos to you and your dad and mom and sister too.
This is an inspiring story. Keep up the super work! Thanks for all the pictures too.
Zep


mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #754, 08-08-2012 06:31 PM
     
 
quote
At that point was when Kathryn drew first blood :-)
If she was wearing the mechanics gloves that someone gave her she wouldn't have suffered this injury.
Within a year or two she'll start bleeding 5w30 when she gets a cut.



A little blood on the engine; just giving it a transfusion I'll bet.
Not a bad thing either(grin).
Zep


Marine1981 MSG #755, 08-09-2012 11:14 PM
      As far as naming a car goes, I find I have to drive it and get a feel for it before it tells me the name. Just the way I see it. You are making great progress. I wish I was that far along on Any of my projects lol

MiseryLou MSG #756, 08-10-2012 09:45 PM
      Kathryn;
You are the kind of kid I hope my goddaughters grow up to be.
They are 9 and 6 now, and already help their dad and me a little with the work on my own fast little 80s cars (I'm an MR2 guy; please can we leave the rivalry in the past?) and his bikes and other similar projects (I think the older one is the only little girl I've ever heard of with her own working blackpowder cannon...(She's not allowed to fire it unsupervised yet, but it's hers)).

I'm glad you're getting the attention you deserve; both from the general public (Invited to Maker Faire! WOW!) but especially from your family. With backup like that, I know you'll go far. (and with this car, pretty fast, too! )

Best of luck!
Misery Lou

PS: the Roller Derby women I spend most of my time with are all in awe of you, too.


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #757, 08-11-2012 08:22 PM
      Just a brief update.
The heads are off and the heads are disassembled. Valves, spring, etc are out. We were going to get some photos, but then Kathryn got ready for bed and said that we will take some tomorrow. So they will be forthcoming. She also heard some exciting news today with regards to machining. She may be working with an Indy Team race engineer to do some of the machining and find some more power from the 3.4 we should be hearing a bit more on that soon as well. Pictures of the completely disassembled 3.4 coming soon.

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #758, 08-11-2012 10:04 PM
      Watch out there MH.. An Indy Team gets into that engine and the Fiero will smoke your Vette!

Congrats Kathryn, Looking forward to more



mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #759, 08-12-2012 03:25 PM
      Kathryn,
since this car of yours is getting serious into power, do you have any ideas on suspension and brake mods to keep the beast under control?
Power ain't power unless the wheels stay put on the pavement, as we all know.
Any ideas given to beefing up the drive train?
Gear ratios maybe changing on the differential since the engine has changed?
Bet your dad has some secrets his Corvette taught him.
I know you are focused on the engine right now...
Lots to think about. I would love to hear what the group has to add...

Keep up the good work!!!

~Zep

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CowsPatoot MSG #760, 08-12-2012 04:12 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by mwzephyr:
...do you have any ideas on suspension and brake mods to keep the beast under control?


Really she isn't getting into so much power that a freshly rebuilt stock suspension can't handle it. New joints, poly bushings, and new struts and shocks go a long way on these cars, and I think it is safe to assume that those will be done. Definitely want to upgrade the cradle bushings when you re-install it as well (aluminum or poly). Personally, I would throw a set of Eibach lowering springs and upgraded sway bars on there as well...but the stiffer ride might not be a good match for those Michigan roads (you drive on bumpy straight roads...I drive on smooth twisty mountain roads). The 86 SE did at least come with the WS6 springs. If she wants to get deeper into upgrades than that, there are plenty of options available...and plenty of people here to point her in the right direction.


kathryn MSG #761, 08-12-2012 05:42 PM
      Hey everyone
um...in terms of a name it's my bmblbee of course and about the pics we were busy this morning and now i'm down in Ohio again so my Dad will just have to take the pics without me in them so sad...lol
and I will probably be upgrading my suspention for safety and so I don't have a part that doesn't match all the other fixed and upgraded things.
thanks for all the great responce and help
-kathryn


shank0668 MSG #762, 08-13-2012 12:00 AM
      Cool stuff! Don't see to many of us teens into older cars.

Wild Horse MSG #763, 08-19-2012 12:46 AM
      Bump

mrvids MSG #764, 08-19-2012 11:17 AM
      I told my brother your car will be done before his, and he was only doing an engine swap. Here's what his car has looked like for the last year or so.


kathryn MSG #765, 08-19-2012 07:45 PM
      oh well mine looks way worse
and i don't have any updates really except for some pics. i can post in the next few days or so...because i've been down in Ohio with the family so yeah.
thanks for staying interested and all your support
-kathryn


Cliff Pennock (admin@fieroforum.com) MSG #766, 08-20-2012 06:19 AM
      I really want to move this thread to the Construction Zone, but since so many sites point to this thread (here in GFC) and since it also has so many FB likes, I'm hesitant to move it...

Synthesis (synssins@gmail.com) MSG #767, 08-20-2012 08:08 AM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

I really want to move this thread to the Construction Zone, but since so many sites point to this thread (here in GFC) and since it also has so many FB likes, I'm hesitant to move it...


Can you alias the thread URL or thread number so that direct links here point there instead?


mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #768, 08-20-2012 04:45 PM
      Cliff could you or one of our members code a re-direct so the address is forwarded automatically to the new location?

P.s. Wonder if Kathryn is doing some covert car rebuilding in Ohio folks!
Enquiring minds want to know?(joking)

Zep

@mrvids~
 
quote
I told my brother your car will be done before his, and he was only doing an engine swap. Here's what his car has looked like for the last year or so.

My experience has been that tracking down parts takes a good long time and not every one has the amount of time to hit the project in one fell-swoop so to speak.
Motivate your brother; offer some help or buy him a part. That might spur some action...
Just speaking from personal experience.
You could just go with him to the junk yard and bring some steak if he is afraid of the dogs... (grin)
Zep

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kathryn MSG #769, 08-21-2012 09:17 AM
      hey everyone,
just a brief update i got back home sunday evening and yesterday evening i got some sanding done...ugggg.
so i'm almost 3/4 of the way done with a door skin.
picture will be coming soon. sorry for the delay
-kathryn


Tony Kania MSG #770, 08-21-2012 11:44 AM
      Just an amazing build. So very much "win" going on here.

Tony


Vernon8360 MSG #771, 08-21-2012 02:38 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

I really want to move this thread to the Construction Zone, but since so many sites point to this thread (here in GFC) and since it also has so many FB likes, I'm hesitant to move it...



I'd like to see this thread remain here, if it's not a major issue. I've been following this since it started and I might get lost if you moved it.



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #772, 08-21-2012 08:59 PM
      I promised Kathryn that I would get a few of her more recent photos up here. I wish I had one of the problem that we ran into, but completely messed up with not getting a photo. So once the 3.4 was mostly stripped down we could not get one of the heads off. No matter what we did it simply wouldn't budge. We tried hitting it with a rubber mallet, we tried hanging it from the cherry picker and letting it's own weight work and......nothing. I looked at it and couldn't find anything holding it. Uncle Bob looked and we still could not get it to release. We soaked it in penetrating oil overnight and still nothing. Finally after workiing on trying to get it lose for another 1/2 hour Kathryn goes..."I think it would help if we took this 15mm bolt out". It was a stud that went through the head and into the block, BUT was then threaded with a female top that took another bolt. We were sure we pulled it and what remained look like it was molded in the head....NOPE! Kathryn was right, pull all the head bolts and off it comes...lol!

of course once the block is stripped completely Kathryn has to play sock puppets in the bores. It has become something of a tradition.




the bores look pretty good. We'll know more soon. Kathryn got a set of telescope gauges from her grandpa so she will be checking them this week for wear, make sure they are within tolerance and that they have maintained concentricity.

\

Here is the troublesome head! Tip of the hat to Kathryn because I would still be fighting it, or I would have ruined it.




and of course the pistons....which if the bores are good, we should be able to reuse after cleaning them up and reringing them.



finally since Kathryn loves wood shop so much she made this (with some help from Dad) out of a 4x4 to hold all of the disassembled valve train.





I think she's doing ok so far.

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #773, 08-23-2012 02:52 AM
      That is an impressive Valve Train Rack... I wouldn't have thought of that!

Good job Kathryn


scottu MSG #774, 08-23-2012 03:50 AM
      First of all, I've been following this for a long time without comment. I'm not really a mechanically-minded car enthusiast, but this has been so fascinating to see. You've actually made me get over some apprehension and think about doing some work on my own car. Nothing on this scale, of course.

I did have a question. You're putting so much thought into how the interior and exterior will look; are you planning on making the engine compartment, etc., a thing of beauty as well?

Much luck as you work toward finishing. You are amazing.


kathryn MSG #775, 08-23-2012 07:49 PM
      hey everybody i have some quick updates to share!
on Monday the 27th so next week, I'll be doing an interview with Connecticut Public Radio's The Colin McEnroe Show.
It will be airing between 1-2 p.m. EST. Also I will be doing the show with Bogi Lateiner, who is a mechanic and she owns her own shop and she is one of the people on All Girls Garage on Velocity. She has her own website, 180auto.com
Thanks everyone for all your support and yes i will be making my engine, engine bay and everything beautiful too
-kathryn


carnut122 MSG #776, 08-23-2012 11:35 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by kathryn:

hey everybody i have some quick updates to share!
on Monday the 27th so next week, I'll be doing an interview with Connecticut Public Radio's The Colin McEnroe Show.
It will be airing between 1-2 p.m. EST. Also I will be doing the show with Bogi Lateiner, who is a mechanic and she owns her own shop and she is one of the people on All Girls Garage on Velocity. She has her own website, 180auto.com
Thanks everyone for all your support and yes i will be making my engine, engine bay and everything beautiful too
-kathryn


Congratulations, once again! Keep after it!


kathryn MSG #777, 08-26-2012 08:16 PM
      hey,
i will probably be going down to the garage to work on thursday evening and this wednesday i'm giving a cars 101 class to the young women of my church!! also about the interview i will be going on at 1:40 EST
-kathryn


mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #778, 08-27-2012 08:38 AM
      Kathryn,

I think it is so cool you are giving back to your community by giving the automotive 101 class to the young women.
It is refreshing to see that happening.
Kudos!

Zep

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Wild Horse MSG #779, 08-27-2012 08:41 AM
      You can listen to the interview live at http://www.cpbn.org/listen-live

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michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #780, 08-27-2012 01:08 PM
      Looks like it is starting now.

-MH


michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #781, 08-27-2012 06:29 PM
      A link http://www.yourpublicmedia....wrenches-not-wenches

-MH


Wild Horse MSG #782, 08-27-2012 08:42 PM
      Great job Kathryn. It's a shame Colin appears so unknowledgeable that he glazed over what you were doing, almost like he really didn't care.

kathryn MSG #783, 08-27-2012 09:45 PM
      hey guys and girls,
i just want to thank you all for your support, and encouragement it's been a HUGE help to me
i'm also going to be doing some sanding tomorrow...grrr. but it needs done....sigh.
and i will be getting to go down to my Uncle's to do some work on Thursday...
thanks again everyone, and for all the comments
-kathryn


carnut122 MSG #784, 08-27-2012 09:51 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

A link http://www.yourpublicmedia....wrenches-not-wenches

-MH


I just wanted to add: click on the video and Kathryn begins at about 42:45. I have to agree that Colin wasn't too up on his cars. Maybe he needs to join Kathryn's class?


donna.milgram MSG #785, 08-29-2012 06:21 PM
      Kathyrn, I loved listening to your piece after mine on NPR and especially how your Fiero rebuild experience made you interested in math!, Also, I've read through yourr Dad's threads with your photos about your process. I am so proud of you!!! Maybe you'll be the first female CEO of an automaker (sorry, no pressure!) Your Fan Donna

michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #786, 08-31-2012 01:46 PM
      We may have some interesting news shortly but for now, just that teaser......

-MH


Marine1981 MSG #787, 08-31-2012 02:24 PM
      That's just mean, not even a hint?? lol

mrfred8 MSG #788, 08-31-2012 03:13 PM
     
 
quote
Originally posted by michhiker28:

We may have some interesting news shortly but for now, just that teaser......

-MH


Did Jay Leno finally call ?



michhiker28 (dimar1jg@cmich.edu) MSG #789, 08-31-2012 03:16 PM
      We unfortunately aren't allowed to say, however I can confirm that Jay Leno did NOT call....lol!

-MH


mwzephyr (mwzephyr1@outlook.com) MSG #790, 09-02-2012 09:44 AM
      MH are you and the family going to the Woodward Dream Cruise?

~Zep

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carnut122 MSG #791, 09-02-2012 07:09 PM