Killing Americans on US soil (Page 1/7)
MikeMac JUN 01, 03:12 PM
I've had more than a few people tell me they endorse the government sending active duty US military to kill protestors. In the case of looters they are criminals so prosecute them. What happened to arresting them and giving them a fair trial and if convicted send them to be incarcerated. Kind of like the Constitution guarantees. Just because you don't agree with someone's political views or actions doesn't mean you can kill them. Tiananmen Square in China ring a bell?
blackrams JUN 01, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by MikeMac:

I've had more than a few people tell me they endorse the government sending active duty US military to kill protestors. In the case of looters they are criminals so prosecute them. What happened to arresting them and giving them a fair trial and if convicted send them to be incarcerated. Kind of like the Constitution guarantees. Just because you don't agree with someone's political views or actions doesn't mean you can kill them. Tiananmen Square in China ring a bell?



I fully agree with one exception. Should the looter/rioter fire at one of our "Peace Keepers", then they just sacrificed the opportunity for a fair trial. Hopefully, there will be a few body cameras to ensure there is no use of force that is not necessary.

Rams

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MidEngineManiac JUN 01, 04:16 PM
Antifa has been declared a terrorist organization. At this point, participating in the rioting makes them enemy combatants.
Raydar JUN 01, 06:13 PM
Antifa wanted to raise the bar. Looks to me like they got their wish.

But it's kind of subjective.
Trial or no trial, if I feel like I'm in danger of bodily harm, or worse, whoever it is, is done. Period.

Shooting them on sight might be a bit much. But it might not. It depends.
Prosecute them? Sure. Absolutely.
But don't just lock them up for little bullshit "local" charges. Charge them with domestic terrorism and/or sedition. Keep their azzes there. Don't let them bond out for a few hundred or even a few thousand dollars.
I think they probably have a pretty good idea of "who is who" in that community - or will, in very short order. I'm in favor of them not setting bail at all for the serious players.

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82-T/A [At Work] JUN 01, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by MikeMac:

I've had more than a few people tell me they endorse the government sending active duty US military to kill protestors. In the case of looters they are criminals so prosecute them. What happened to arresting them and giving them a fair trial and if convicted send them to be incarcerated. Kind of like the Constitution guarantees. Just because you don't agree with someone's political views or actions doesn't mean you can kill them. Tiananmen Square in China ring a bell?




You have 8 posts ... and you've been registered since 2013? Wild...

I don't know anyone that's saying we should send in active duty military and start killing protestors. I have heard several people say that if looters start attacking their business and start looting their store, they're going to defend themselves while defending their store ... and I think that's totally justified. If you come running at someone with a gun, expect to get shot.
MikeMac JUN 01, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Antifa has been declared a terrorist organization. At this point, participating in the rioting makes them enemy combatants.



We don't have a domestic terrorist law. Trump saying they are, holds no weight according to even the FOX news attorneys. According to the "expert" they aren't an organization with any leadership, membership, etc. It would be impossible to prove they are member of an organization that doesn't exist. Which I did not know.

I always worry about opening Pandora's Box. What If 20 years from now they declare church attendance to be terroristic? Or any other thing we take for granted.
82-T/A [At Work] JUN 01, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by MikeMac:

We don't have a domestic terrorist law. Trump saying they are, holds no weight according to even the FOX news attorneys. According to the "expert" they aren't an organization with any leadership, membership, etc. It would be impossible to prove they are member of an organization that doesn't exist. Which I did not know.

I always worry about opening Pandora's Box. What If 20 years from now they declare church attendance to be terroristic? Or any other thing we take for granted.



Nonsense. They have every ability to do so... it's supported under the Patriot Act, and grants sweeping arrest and investigatory powers. It does not somehow grant authority to just start shooting people. It's a means for creating a funding line and tasking to DHS and FBI. We have something like 12 different terrorist organizations in the US, they're all either ECO, anti-religious, left-wing crazy, white supremacy, or anti-abortion.

Incidentally, if you go to Wikipedia, the pages are totally crazy... and obviously updated by only left-leaning liberals (again propaganda). They literally list everything done against blacks from 1776 to the 1950s as all being Republican and "right-wing." Which is complete nonsense. So take that stuff with a grain of salt.
MikeMac JUN 01, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You have 8 posts ... and you've been registered since 2013? Wild...

I don't know anyone that's saying we should send in active duty military and start killing protestors. I have heard several people say that if looters start attacking their business and start looting their store, they're going to defend themselves while defending their store ... and I think that's totally justified. If you come running at someone with a gun, expect to get shot.



I always believed that too about protecting your business. Another story says those laws apply to defending your home not your business. Didn't the pawn shop owner in Minneapolis go to jail after shooting the looter Thursday or Friday night?

I took a course a few months back about self defense laws. The instructor was a cop and then had gone to law school. One of the first things he said was that 7 out of 10 people will be charged when shooting someone in a location other than their home property. I was stunned. After doing research I found him to be correct. So let all be careful about than and enjoy our cars....
MikeMac JUN 01, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Nonsense. They have every ability to do so... it's supported under the Patriot Act, and grants sweeping arrest and investigatory powers. It does not somehow grant authority to just start shooting people. It's a means for creating a funding line and tasking to DHS and FBI. We have something like 12 different terrorist organizations in the US, they're all either ECO, anti-religious, left-wing crazy, white supremacy, or anti-abortion.

Incidentally, if you go to Wikipedia, the pages are totally crazy... and obviously updated by only left-leaning liberals (again propaganda). They literally list everything done against blacks from 1776 to the 1950s as all being Republican and "right-wing." Which is complete nonsense. So take that stuff with a grain of salt.



There isn't a law to charge someone with "Domestic Terrorism".
MikeMac JUN 01, 07:23 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/202...terrorist-group.html

I comes down to semantics really. No specific law but still an ability to charge them under different statues. We are saying the same thing I think.