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rinselberg
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APR 19, 03:25 PM
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The SARS-CoV-2 virus could have been created in a virus research lab--and not because anyone wanted to make a new bio-weapon.
| quote | | Bat coronaviruses can be cultured in lab dishes with cells that have the human ACE2 receptor; over time, the virus will gain adaptations that let it efficiently bind to those receptors. |
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| quote | | The SARS-CoV-2 virus is most closely related to coronaviruses in certain populations of horseshoe bats that live about 1,000 miles [distant from Wuhan] in [China's] Yunnan province. |
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"Wuhan lab says there's no way coronavirus originated there. Here's the science."
Jeanna Bryner for Live Science; April 18, 2020.
https://www.livescience.com...licated-origins.html
Estimated reading time: 15 minutes to read it like you're going to be quizzed on it. It's longer than most of the reports that I provide links for.
This forum topic self-identifies as "Politics" because of China.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-19-2020).]
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D B Cooper
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APR 19, 04:18 PM
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I still think the simplest explanation is that one way or another, it came out of the lab in Wuhan.
The story they're pushing is that somehow it popped up in the meat market, even though we don't have any real evidence anyone even sold bats at the market. Okay maybe a bat infected some other intermediate animal. How many animals sold there would have been coming from 1000 miles away ? And the authorities didn't exhaust every means to identify and track the source of the virus in the market; they simply destroyed everything and sterilized the whole place ? Add the fact that many of the early victims had no connection to the market, and it doesn't really look like a smoking gun, as much as a convenient explanation.
As far as the lab, we're to believe that it was entirely coincidental that the lab was located close to where the new disease popped up. And it's entirely coincidental that the virologists there had been collecting bats from 1000 miles away, looking specifically for bat sars virus strains to study.
Absent some probable mechanism whereby some animal picks up that most similar bat sars virus, and transports it 1000 miles to Wuhan, and ends up in the meat market, the lab is by FAR the simpler scenario. Occum's Razor applies.
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 19, 06:36 PM
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It was China.
Nuke them. Nuke them all.
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randye
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APR 19, 07:24 PM
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From the article:
"Just today (April 18), the vice director of WIV Zhiming Yuan CGTN, the Chinese state broadcaster, said "there is no way this virus came from us,"
Your string of BS propaganda, going all the way back to your muslim obsession, remains unbroken Ronald.
Now you're merrily spewing CHICOM propaganda.
Go sit down with the other California mental patients waiting to GET HELP.
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By the way, the ad that popped up after your post couldn't be more appropriate:
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rinselberg
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JUN 02, 10:51 AM
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New research describes the SARS-CoV-2 or "Covid-19" virus as a result of a coronavirus from bats that picked up a "spike protein" from a virus that is carried by pangolins.
What they're describing would be an example of genetic Recombination.
Did a bat get a virus from a pangolin? Or vice-versa? Or did it happen in some other animal that was infected by viruses from bats and pangolins? Was that other animal a human? At this point... whobody knows?
"SARS-CoV-2 looks like a hybrid of viruses from two different species"
John Timmer for Ars Technica; June 1, 2020.
https://arstechnica.com/sci...o-different-species/
The research report itself:
"Emergence of SARS-CoV-2 through recombination and strong purifying selection"
Xiaojun Li et al; Science Advances; May 29, 2020.
https://advances.sciencemag...05/28/sciadv.abb9153
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUN 02, 11:43 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The SARS-CoV-2 virus could have been created in a virus research lab--and not because anyone wanted to make a new bio-weapon.
"Wuhan lab says there's no way coronavirus originated there. Here's the science."
Jeanna Bryner for Live Science; April 18, 2020.
https://www.livescience.com...licated-origins.html
Estimated reading time: 15 minutes to read it like you're going to be quizzed on it. It's longer than most of the reports that I provide links for.
This forum topic self-identifies as "Politics" because of China.
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Rinse, this is absurd nonsense. It is common knowledge that Wuhan was working on Bat SARS. As a matter of fact, the US even provided funding to study it (for some stupid reason).
https://www.nationofchange....stitute-of-virology/
So, your link is nonsense...
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olejoedad
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JUN 02, 12:59 PM
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98 views, 6 responses - 2 from the O/P.
Whobody cares?
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rinselberg
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JUN 02, 01:15 PM
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I have "glommed" onto two reports in the Science For General Audience media. One at the start of this thread--that was a few weeks ago--and the second such report, earlier today.
Neither report excludes the possibility that the oft-referenced Wuhan University virus lab was part of the path of infection for the pandemic. Nor is either report in any way a confirmation that the pandemic went through that particular lab. The reports neither line up directly nor do they directly conflict with the idea that there was a path of infection involving the Wuhan research facility. The reports leave that open, and so, if you hypothesize that the Wuhan facility was involved, you would not have (from these reports) any evidence that the virus was purposely created in the lab. It could have been created in the lab as an unintended byproduct of the research that was being conducted.
There are other ways that the virus could have arrived in Wuhan. That's described in the first of the two reports.
The Chinese equivalent of the (US) CDC has another research lab in Wuhan that is actually closer to the "wet market" than the lab that is associated with Wuhan University. That "Chinese CDC" lab is only yards away from the wet market area.
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rinselberg
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JUN 02, 01:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
98 views, 6 responses - 2 from the O/P.
Whobody cares? |
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Possibly as many as three other forum members. Not counting the spam from the malfunctioning user account that somehow never gets fixed. Not sure whether you, olejoedad, counted yourself in that enumeration. But some number of other forum members at three different moments.
Do you like logging in here to confirm that there have not been any new messages or topics since the last time that you logged in?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 06-02-2020).]
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olejoedad
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JUN 02, 04:56 PM
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No, I log in here to help people in the Tech section.
It is a car forum, after all.
But I do have to check on you babbling occasionally.
Just for the inane nonsense you spout.
Are you representative of the people in your area, or are you an outlier?
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