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fierosound
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FEB 12, 12:17 PM
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Tony Kania
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FEB 12, 12:49 PM
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I watched something about him years ago. He is a kind and giving man from what I recall.
Sadly, I have never read one of his books. Only own and use bits and pieces of them. 
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IMSA GT
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FEB 12, 06:21 PM
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"Installation is the opposite of removal".
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blackrams
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FEB 13, 11:15 AM
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Couldn't say how many times I used a Haynes Manual to figure something out. Most times it was very helpful, sometimes not so much. Don't know anything about Mr. Haynes but he definately left his mark on the automotive world.
Rams
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fierosound
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FEB 14, 08:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Couldn't say how many times I used a Haynes Manual to figure something out. Most times it was very helpful, sometimes not so much. |
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True. I have both the Factory manuals and the Haynes manuals.
The Factory manuals have drawn diagrams whereas the Haynes manuals will often have photographs.
By referring to both, what is perhaps not clear in one manual is clarified by the other.
And either Manual is worth having, because it's silly trying to work on a "new to you" car without one.
Haynes was another "landmark person" who has foresight and filled a necessity for the automotive enthusiast.
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Jake_Dragon
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FEB 14, 03:46 PM
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Every POS my ex dragged home ended up with one in the trunk.
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theogre
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FEB 14, 07:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Couldn't say how many times I used a Haynes Manual to figure something out. Most times it was very helpful, sometimes not so much. |
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Many aftermarket "service" books have big problems and few knew how Haynes are awful many times.
| quote | Originally posted by fierosound:
True. I have both the Factory manuals and the Haynes manuals.
The Factory manuals have drawn diagrams whereas the Haynes manuals will often have photographs.
By referring to both, what is perhaps not clear in one manual is clarified by the other.
And either Manual is worth having, because it's silly trying to work on a "new to you" car without one.
Haynes was another "landmark person" who has foresight and filled a necessity for the automotive enthusiast. |
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Pictures are nice but again Haynes books have many problems like Fiero book completely ignores DIS dukes are a completely different engines and few parts will interchange w/ earlier Dukes. Doesn't even cover DIS or 700 TBI. Rest of book have Copy/past whole sections w/o bothering the sections are still valid. Don't use Haynes for fixing wiring or vacuum problems because many diagrams are wrong for the year of car or completely missing for whatever function. Worse then Fiero FSM where your have Rear Brakes for another car line for 84 85 and 86. Only for 87 GM/Helms did finally fix this section.
Chilton books are not much better but most are sold to "real"/"Pro" mechanic shops and small books for DIY market are based on them. Chilton got around © for electrical by remaking wire maps but most can't follow them because printed too small and ends up as a puzzle book.
If you want better data then Haynes or Chilton get "newer" AllData DIY for most domestic cars. They get data directly from GM Ford etc.
AllData was first publish on CD and later DVD w/ high cost for pro shops w/ Rainbow Dongles to uses the software to view.
I always knew Haynes and Chilton have problems but then w/ access to AllData 20+ years ago found out how bad they really are.
If you publish just wiring for each year of Fiero alone would have filled ~ ⅓ - ½ of Haynes Fiero.------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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