The Five Pillars Of Mueller-gate: A Mereonomic Analysis. (Page 1/6)
rinselberg FEB 07, 04:17 AM
I try to come up with something sweet for the Subject field of any new discussion Topic.

I considered going with "The Mueller Investigation in Five Part Harmony."

Chances are, you're not going to like this. But you may want to look at it as if it were a page stolen from the Other Team's playbook.

There are five parts to the Mueller investigation:
  1. Business deals and money laundering involving Trump or the Trump entourage
  2. Russian Disinformation operations
  3. Active Russian cyber intrusions
  4. Contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives
  5. Obstruction of justice on the part of President Trump or his associates

It's a new report in WIRED, from Garret M. Graff, the author of Raven Rock and Threat Matrix.


-> I want to read this new report in WIRED, under the title of "Bob Mueller's investigation is larger--and further along--than you think."
Click to show

-> Reading is such a bore. I'd rather see an on-air video segment with CNN's Don Lemon and Garret M. Graffe.
Click to show

-> Piss Off.
Click to show

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Wichita FEB 07, 08:43 AM
I don't see anything those pillars that mentions Clinton.... Just Trump.

Nothing but a Ken Starr style witch hunt, as I see it.

It's been well over a year, hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars spent, with a 2,500 employee based investigation team.

They still trying to find a bj somewhere?

Rickady88GT FEB 08, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:

I don't see anything those pillars that mentions Clinton.... Just Trump.

Nothing but a Ken Starr style witch hunt, as I see it.

It's been well over a year, hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars spent, with a 2,500 employee based investigation team.

They still trying to find a bj somewhere?



It is obvious that there is nothing to a Russian/Trump investigation. But for those that are "never Trump", ANYTHING that is anti-Trump is welcome and validated as truth. Not to mention that this is the best form of revenge for the the investigations into clinton.
This is actually good news when you stop and think about it, this is all they got? Yes "collusion" is all they got.
rinselberg FEB 08, 05:34 PM
I doubt that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates or "National Security Advisor For 24 Days" Mike Flynn would be so dismissive of the Mueller investigation, as is Mr Rick Ady from the House of 88GT.


As far as Bill and Hillary Clinton, there is a report that is expected to come out, before this summer is fully underway, from the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, which may have more to say about the FBI's Obama-era investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server and or other Clinton-related matters.

I don't know how much of that report will be made public.

If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

Mueller will have more to say about "things." When will that happen? I think it likely depends, in part, on whether and when an agreement is reached for President Trump to be interviewed in some way by Mueller and his staff. Or when Mueller decides that he does not want to go any further on that, if what are reported as the ongoing negotiations about it involving Trump's lawyers do not conclude with an agreement.

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.

HAGO.

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Rickady88GT FEB 08, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I doubt that Paul Manafort, Rick Gates or former National Security Advisor Michael T. Flynn would be so dismissive of the Mueller investigation, as is Mr Rick Ady from the House of 88GT.


As far as Bill and Hillary Clinton, there is a report that is expected to come out, before this summer is fully underway, from the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, which may have more to say about the FBI's Obama-era investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server and or other Clinton-related matters.

I don't know how much of that report will be made public.

If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

Mueller will have more to say about "things." When will that happen? I think it likely depends, in part, on whether and when an agreement is reached for President Trump to be interviewed in some way by Mueller and his staff. Or when Mueller decides that he does not want to go any further on that, if what are reported as the ongoing negotiations about it involving Trump's lawyers do not conclude with an agreement.

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.

HAGO.




This is simple, IF any investigation had acual substance rather than political motivation, then we would know about it by now. So what do we know,.....? We know it is all made up and no charges have been filled and never will. At least not credible charges.
randye FEB 08, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's just my "take" on it.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.




Translation:

Ronald is attempting to tip toe away from all of his banal bleating and puerile prognostications over the past year.

His fevered fantasies of impeachment for "collusion" or "obstruction" are evaporating as fast as his vote recount, faithless electors and 25th Amendment dreams did.



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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

This is simple, IF any investigation had acual substance rather than political motivation, then we would know about it by now. So what do we know,.....? We know it is all made up and no charges have been filled and never will. At least not credible charges.



Ronald is faced with a argument that he cannot rebut factually or honestly, but also cannot accept because it directly conflicts with his core leftist belief.

He grasps at the thin, imaginary straw of "unindicted co-conspirator" to keep his fading hope alive for now.

Accepting reality is especially hard for lefties, particularly when it directly conflicts with how they think things should be.

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rinselberg FEB 08, 06:56 PM
That's what President Nixon said. "One year of Watergate is enough." He said that during his last State of the Union address. Before the end of that year (1974), he was persuaded by the Republicans in Congress to resign before the end of his second term--and before he would otherwise have been subjected to an Impeachment Trial in the Senate.

I don't fully understand why anyone would want to get out so far in front of their skis (so to speak) on the Mueller investigation.

I just said that "I wouldn't be shocked if President Trump were named and described as an unindicted co-conspirator." Whenever Mueller has more to say. I wouldn't be shocked if Mueller comes out with more indictments, and indicts one or more persons that he has not already indicted. Maybe Jared Kushner.

But I also said that I wouldn't be shocked if Mueller clears the President himself of any wrongdoings.

randye FEB 08, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't fully understand why anyone would want to get out so far in front of their skis (so to speak) on the Mueller investigation.




Of course that didn't stop YOU for one nanosecond in doing exactly that did it?


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Originally posted by rinselberg:


If I understand it correctly, the authorization for Special Counsel Bob Mueller puts Trump on his "plate", but not Hillary Clinton. If Mueller, during the course of his investigations, has unexpectedly discovered anything about Hillary Clinton that is not already known at DOJ, I think that he would have a responsibility to report that to his own supervisor at DOJ, Rod Rosenstein. But it would not be within his proper scope to do anything about it directly, himself. Just report it to Rod Rosenstein.

In terms of where the Mueller investigation finally stands, I wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump himself cleared of any wrongdoing. But I also wouldn't be shocked to see President Trump named and described in Mueller's report as a UICC--an unindicted co-conspirator--regarding some allegedly nefarious activities involving Russian operatives, either in the political-electoral sphere, or in the international money laundering sphere, or in both such spheres.






You're a sad, pathetic clown Ronald.

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rinselberg FEB 08, 07:04 PM
I never said anything about challenging the voter tabulations (recounts), or faithless electors. I probably have made a reference on this forum, to the 25th Amendment, but just that. A reference to it. No more or hardly any more than that.

Why make any kind of point here, if you can't also be a Rectal Orifice about it at the same time?

That is for "he who shall not be named."

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olejoedad FEB 08, 08:21 PM