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| 2016 Buick Regal Turbo Ecotec motor for a swap, what are the challenges? (Page 1/4) |
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qwikgta
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MAY 15, 10:45 AM
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I have a chance to grab a 2016 Turbo Ecotec from a Buick Regal. Its a auto, but I have an Ecotec F40 trans for it.
If I pull the motor, what else do I need to grab being that its a newer motor, in other words, do I need the BCM, gauges, gas pedal, fuel pump.. ect.
I'm familiar with what to grab for a 3800 and 3.4 DOHC motor, but with this being a 2016, Gen III motor i've never looked into what needs to be pulled.
thanks in advance
Rob
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arbakken
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MAY 15, 12:05 PM
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I really wanted to do that swap, but my car isn't nice enough.
There is an easy/expensive way to do it: gm sells a control pack with the computer, pedal, wiring.
I would grab the fuel pump, I believe it is computer PWM controlled to provide the correct fuel before the engine itself compresses it to the high pressure for direct injection.
You'll definitely need the gas pedal. You should be able to program it to run without the BCM, but you may lose stuff like cruise control and the gauges. I'm doing a 2.2 na ecotec swap right now and I'm planning on keeping the bcm and gauges.
For my own curiosity can you take some pictures of the engine, and measure how far the exhaust/turbo sticks out from the head? This is going to be an awesome swap![This message has been edited by arbakken (edited 05-15-2020).]
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wftb
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MAY 15, 12:59 PM
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Get everything you can. Unless you are going to do standalone engine management. Entire wiring harness with the bcm ecm all of it. Get the steering column with the key in the ignition (you might use the switch, not the column), gauges fuel pump everything electrical. Modern GM harnesses use all different connectors so you can't put it together wrong. The harness will come with a large fuse block and a small fuse block and cables to go to the battery . If you get it all, it is plug and play and you can have it working fairly quickly. Get the drive by wire pedal assembly and grab the charcoal canister and its harness too.
The only thing my Fiero uses that is Fiero are the lights, heater fans and controls,wipers etc and the ignition switch turns on the starter for the ecotec. I pared down my harness too much and I do regret that now. I use HP tuners and for my setup anyway it will run both a manual and automatic transmission. I doubt the newer cars would be set up like that, my control system is from a 2004.
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86 GT built 2.2 ecotec turbo
rear SLA suspension
QA1 coilovers on tube arms[This message has been edited by wftb (edited 05-15-2020).]
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qwikgta
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MAY 15, 06:02 PM
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Well I pulled the motor. Got the engine, 6 speed Auto trans, ECM, engine harness, engine sensors (MAF, MAP ect), coolant bottle and a few odds/ends. Only has 35K on it, and was driving when it was hit in the rear with a push to the front. Kind of a Buick sandwich. No damage to the motor, only thing I've seen is that the cold side metal tube was pushed back into the A/C and has a small dent in it.
I've pulled a lot of engines and this one was different, the engine harness was a stand alone. It connected to the main car harness via a multi-pin pack. In the others, I had to pull the main harness thru the firewall and it was connected to the fuze box and had/has a lot of misc connections for fan, brakes, horn ect..
I am going to have to go back tomorrow and pick the other stuff I didn't get today, i was just too tired and thirsty to care. I'll grab the gas pedal and harness, look for the BCM and harness and all the other crap i missed.
For now, I'm just happy to have the motor.
More to follow.
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wftb
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MAY 15, 08:57 PM
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The 6 speed auto sounds kind of nice to me. I had a 6 speed dual clutch auto in the last Focus I had and it was awesome once they did all the recalls. Turbo motors work better with autos. ------------------
86 GT built 2.2 ecotec turbo
rear SLA suspension
QA1 coilovers on tube arms
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qwikgta
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MAY 15, 09:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by wftb:
The 6 speed auto sounds kind of nice to me. I had a 6 speed dual clutch auto in the last Focus I had and it was awesome once they did all the recalls. Turbo motors work better with autos.
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yea, I love auto's for daily drivers too. My DD is a 3800 NA w/ auto and I love driving it.
My plan was to get a motor for the 87 GT i picked up the other day, its a 5 speed and if I flip it, i'd want to keep it a 5 speed. I had planned to just pick up a 2.8L for it and call it a day, but folks I've talked to want upward of $600+ for a good working, low mileage motor, and those are 6 plus hours away. Not really sure what i'm going to do with this motor, i may just put it in the garage for a future project.
Maybe i'll just finish cleaning up and working over the LSJ motor for the 87 GT.[This message has been edited by qwikgta (edited 05-15-2020).]
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qwikgta
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MAY 16, 04:17 PM
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went back today and grabbed all the wiring I could, got the BCM and all the rest of the engine wires. took 3-4 hours to pull it all thru the firewall and out from under the dash. not sure I got everything, I did have to cut some. The large bundle of wires went under the driver seat and keep on going. I had to cut the harness right there so I could remove all the dash and engine wiring. Got the drivers pedal and all its wiring. Grabbed something from the trunk, not sure what it is but it looked important. I did cut the wires going to all the stereo and cut the stuff going into the doors. It was quite an ordeal. I had to remove the whole dash just to get it all. Had to remove the brake peddle and all its hardware to get the plug out of the firewall. That task alone took at least 2 hours. I had no idea the brake master cyl held the whole thing together. 12" inch bolts going from the master - thru the booster - into the firewall. I'll sort it out later. Still need to go back and grab the fuel pump, steel lines and the charcoal canister.
Rob[This message has been edited by qwikgta (edited 05-16-2020).]
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qwikgta
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MAY 17, 09:28 PM
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well strike one.
I just found out the 2.0 Ecotec Getrag F40 that I have from a 2007 Saab will not fit the 2.0 Ecotec LTG motor. I guess b/c the LTG was designed to be a RWD motor, the bellhousing is RWD. They do make a Getrag F40 for the LTG, but it has a different bolt pattern, one that match's the RWD trans. They can be purchased for cheap ($600) but i'm not that excited about having to spend that for what I thought I already had. CRAP!!!
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wftb
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MAY 18, 08:27 AM
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Here is some info I found on the LTG. It was designed to be used in longitudinal or transverse applications. There are diagrams of everything except the bolt patterns here. https://gmpowertrain.com/as...s-specifications.pdf
I always thought all ecotecs had the same bolt patterns. I will do some more digging , there has to be a diagram somewhere.
Does that Regal you are getting the parts off have the Hyperstrut front suspension? It will have an upper ball joint on the spindle if it does.
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86 GT built 2.2 ecotec turbo
rear SLA suspension
QA1 coilovers on tube arms[This message has been edited by wftb (edited 05-19-2020).]
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wftb
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MAY 18, 08:40 AM
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